at nine. hello. at nine.- i hello. and at m...— l hello. and welcome. at me.— . hello. and welcome. this at me.— - hello. and welcome. this is hello. and welcome. this is calvin's . hello. and welcome. this is calvin's common— . hello. and welcome. this is calvin's common sense- hello. and welcome. this is calvin's common sense crusade. with— calvin's common sense crusade. with me— calvin's common sense crusade. wnh the— calvin's common sense crusade. with me, the reverend calvin robinson— with me, the reverend calvin robinson on— with me, the reverend calvin robinson on your— with me, the reverend calvin robinson on your tv online and on your— robinson on your tv online and on your wireless. _ robinson on your tv online and on your wireless. tonight on the show,— on your wireless. tonight on the show, we— on your wireless. tonight on the show, we wm— on your wireless. tonight on the show, we will hear— on your wireless. tonight on the show, we will hear from the reverend— show, we will hear from the reverend richard fothergill who says— reverend richard fothergill who says yorkshire _ reverend richard fothergill who says yorkshire building society closed— says yorkshire building society closed-savings— says yorkshire building society closed savings account when closed his savings account when he mildly— closed his savings account when he mildly protested about the alleged— he mildly protested about the alleged pushing— he mildly protested about the alleged pushing of trans gender ideology. — alleged pushing of trans gender ideology. we— alleged pushing of trans gender ideology. we will— alleged pushing of trans gender ideology. we will meet the teacher— ideology. we will meet the teacher who _ ideology. we will meet the teacher who was urged to talk about— teacher who was urged to talk about his— teacher who was urged to talk about his beliefs— teacher who was urged to talk about his beliefs regarding marriage— about his beliefs regarding momogo oo— about his beliefs regarding marriage at a— about his beliefs regarding marriage at a seminar and then sacked— marriage at a seminar and then oookoo tho— marriage at a seminar and then sacked the following day and journalist— sacked the following day and journalist ezra— sacked the following day and journalist ezra levant will be here— journalist ezra levant will be here oo— journalist ezra levant will be hero to took— journalist ezra levant will be here to talk about how upcoming legislation— here to talk about how upcoming iogioioiion in— here to talk about how upcoming legislation in australia could endanger— legislation in australia could endanger freedom of speech . and endanger freedom of speech. and in ino— endanger freedom of speech. and in one onen— endanger freedom of speech. and in one inoi, ny— endanger freedom of speech. and in the duel, my panellists will be discussing— in the duel, my panellists will be discussing affirmative action as be discussing affirmative action oo o inquiry— be discussing affirmative action as a new inquiry finds that the noon— as a new inquiry finds that the iooyoi ain— as a new inquiry finds that the royal air force— as a new inquiry finds that the royal air force has been nnioniniiy— royal air force has been unlawfully discriminating ogoinoi— unlawfully discriminating against white— unlawfully discriminating against white men and the us supremo— against white men and the us

snonno conn— against white men and the us supreme court rules for race to no iongon— supreme court rules for race to no iongon io— supreme court rules for race to no longer be considered a factor in nnivoniiy— no longer be considered a factor in university admissions. no longer be considered a factor in university admissions . as in university admissions. as connoi— in university admissions. as connon in— in university admissions. as connon in insi— in university admissions. as connor, in just a— in university admissions. as connor, in just a few seconds , connor, in just a few seconds, nnoi— connor, in just a few seconds, no is— connor, in just a few seconds, no is your— connor, in just a few seconds, what is your take— connor, in just a few seconds, what is your take going to be.7 i inink— what is your take going to be? i think discrimination based on ion— think discrimination based on ion ony— think discrimination based on race for any position is morally oinononi— race for any position is morally abhorrent and— race for any position is morally abhorrent and every position ononii— abhorrent and every position ononii io— abhorrent and every position should be filled— abhorrent and every position should be filled on the grounds of should be filled on the grounds oi oonooionoy— should be filled on the grounds of competency alone and nigel, inoi— of competency alone and nigel, inoi ino— of competency alone and nigel, that the supreme— of competency alone and nigel, that the supreme court is probably— that the supreme court is probably right— that the supreme court is probably right in principle on oonoiiiy— probably right in principle on equality grounds. " equality grounds. but in practise— equality grounds. but in pnoiiso ii— equality grounds. but in practise it probably would lead to less diversity . but before to less diversity. but before all to less diversity. but before oii inan— to less diversity. but before oii inoi, ii-o— to less diversity. but before all that, it's the _ i: but before all that, it's the news with ionionnon— all that, it's the news with rhiannon jones— all that, it's the news with rhiannon jones. " rhiannon jones. calvin, thank you. your top stories from the newsroom. a funeral was held today for the teenager who was shot dead by police on tuesday, sparking riots across france. the interior ministry says more than 1300 people were arrested overnight as violence continues to spread across the country . to spread across the country. buildings and vehicles were torched and stores looted by protesters demanding justice for

the 17 year old known as nahel m . the french president, emmanuel macron has postponed a state visit to germany due to begin tomorrow because of the unrest . tomorrow because of the unrest. french reporter antonin andre says the recent riots have nothing to do with wanting justice. french people is more oni— justice. french people is more and noo— justice. french people is more and more upset— f french people is more and more upset against this inooo— and more upset against this these rioters_ and more upset against this these rioters and that's a point onion— these rioters and that's a point onion is— these rioters and that's a point onion is good— these rioters and that's a point which is good for— these rioters and that's a point which is good for emmanuel iioonon— which is good for emmanuel macron because— which is good for emmanuel macron because everybody now ininko— macron because everybody now ininno ii-o— macron because everybody now thinks it's enough— macron because everybody now thinks it's enough . we have to thinks it's enough. we have to non— thinks it's enough. we have to oion non.— thinks it's enough. we have to stop tnon. ant— thinks it's enough. we have to stop them. and there is nothing to to— stop them. and there is nothing to to witn— stop them. and there is nothing to do with justice. _ stop them. and there is nothing to do with justice. it's not a question— to do with justice. it's not a question ot— to do with justice. it's not a question of justice. it's just to out— question of justice. it's just to out enoos— question of justice. it's just to put chaos and to to and robbery— to put chaos and to to and robbery ont— to put chaos and to to and robbery and to— to put chaos and to to and robbery and to steal upon upon a toise— robbery and to steal upon upon a false political— robbery and to steal upon upon a false political cause . a 46 year false political cause. a 46 year old false political cause. a 46 year oit non— false political cause. a 46 year oit nos— false political cause. a 46 year old man has been— false political cause. a 46 year old man has been arrested on suspicion— old man has been arrested on suspicion ot— old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder and attempted— suspicion of murder and attempted murder after a 15 year old attempted murder after a 15 year oit toy— attempted murder after a 15 year oit toy ont— attempted murder after a 15 year oit toy and o— attempted murder after a 15 year old boy and a 23— attempted murder after a 15 year old boy and a 23 year old man stottet— old boy and a 23 year old man was stabbed to— old boy and a 23 year old man was stabbed to death in istington— was stabbed to death in islington in— was stabbed to death in islington in north london. the teenager— islington in north london. the teenager who's— islington in north london. the teenager who's now- islington in north london. the

teenager who's now been named by police as leonardo reid was pronounced dead at the scene. the 23 year old man died later in hospital. a third victim was also found at an address in north london with stab wounds. his injuries are not believed to be life threatening. and that's a picture if you're watching on television leonardo reid, the television of leonardo reid, the 15 year old boy . seven. just 15 year old boy. seven. just stop . oil protesters have been stop. oil protesters have been arrested for disrupting london's annual pride march activists blocked the road and sprayed paint on a coca—cola truck, forcing the parade to stop for over 15 minutes. they were arrested for public nuisance offences. the group had warned offences. the group had warned of potential disruption as it called on organisers to not accept sponsorship money from what they call high polluting industries . jeremy clarkson's industries. jeremy clarkson's column about the duchess of sussex , published in the sun, sussex, published in the sun, was found to be sexist by the press regulator after the former top gear star wrote that he dreamed of meghan markle being

paraded naked through british towns and publicly shamed more than 25,000 complaints were filed , the most ever received by filed, the most ever received by the independent press standards organisation ipso says the article was humiliating and degrading, but it rejects covid suggestions it was racist, inaccurate or harassed . the inaccurate or harassed. the duchess and households are being urged to take an energy metre reading today and time is running out as the new price cap comes into force. regulator ofgem says the average price people can be charged has fallen to just over £2,000. however, bills are still much higher than they were two years ago . this is they were two years ago. this is gb news ringmore. as it happens now, though, it's back over to kelvin .

i“lappy kelvin. - i happy 1st kelvin. - l happy 1st of tetvin. — i happy 1st of july. kelvin. happy 1st of july. that means june is - happy 1st of july. that means june is—niii— . happy 1st of july. that means june is_will come- june is over, which will come as a june is over, which will come as o-to— june is over, which will come as o-to some— june is over, which will come as o-to toi— june is over, which will come as a to some for christians a relief to some for christians all a relief to some for christians oii tonsi— a relief to some for christians all around the— a relief to some for christians all around the world. june is tne— all around the world. june is tne nontn— all around the world. june is the month in— all around the world. june is the month in which we celebrate the month in which we celebrate tne nost— the month in which we celebrate the most sacred— the month in which we celebrate the most sacred heart of jesus, a the most sacred heart of jesus, otine— the most sacred heart of jesus, otine nnen— the most sacred heart of jesus, a time when we— the most sacred heart of jesus, a time when we recognise god's tonntiess— a time when we recognise god's boundless passionate love boundless and passionate love for boundless and passionate love to mankind,— boundless and passionate love for mankind, very— boundless and passionate love for mankind, very wholesome . in for mankind, very wholesome. in eeent— for mankind, very wholesome. in resent years — for mankind, very wholesome. in recent years, however , the recent years, however, the snristian— recent years, however, the christian message of love has teen— christian message of love has been sidelined— christian message of love has been sidelined and replaced with anotner— been sidelined and replaced with anotner trite.— been sidelined and replaced with another pride. we're told pride is a— another pride. we're told pride is a nontn— another pride. we're told pride is a nontn ot— another pride. we're told pride is a month of celebrating gay rignts— is a month of celebrating gay rignts tignting— is a month of celebrating gay rights fighting discrimination and honouring— rights fighting discrimination and honouring differences in is tnat— and honouring differences in is tnat tne— and honouring differences in is tnat tne sase— and honouring differences in is that the case or— and honouring differences in is that the case or is— and honouring differences in is that the case or is it a time nnen— that the case or is it a time when companies- that the case or is it a time when companies jump on tantnaaons— when companies jump on bandwagons to capitalise on a western— bandwagons to capitalise on a western world— bandwagons to capitalise on a western world engaged in a period— western world engaged in a period ot— western world engaged in a period of enforced mass osysnosis— period of enforced mass psychosis as— period of enforced mass psychosis as companies pretend to sare— psychosis as companies pretend to atoat— psychosis as companies pretend to care about minority groups by entrasina— to care about minority groups by entrasina ant— to care about minority groups by embracing and embracing rainbow tags— embracing and embracing rainbow tiaas eyerynnere— embracing and embracing rainbow flags everywhere and the rainbow trans— flags everywhere and the rainbow trans trite— flags everywhere and the rainbow trans pride trag— flags everywhere and the rainbow trans pride flag is— flags everywhere and the rainbow trans pride flag is a conundrum in itseit— trans pride flag is a conundrum in itself because— trans pride flag is a conundrum in itself because on one hand, tott— in itself because on one hand, toit it— in itself because on one hand, we're told it represents an oppressed— we're told it represents an oppressed minority group , yet on oppressed minority group, yet on the oppressed minority group, yet on

tne otner— oppressed minority group, yet on the other hand— oppressed minority group, yet on the other hand it's— oppressed minority group, yet on the other hand it's adorned above— the other hand it's adorned atove every— the other hand it's adorned above every important building in tne— above every important building in tne tant— above every important building in the land and— above every important building in the land and in most shop windows— in the land and in most shop windows on— in the land and in most shop windows on billboards and on every— windows on billboards and on every sosiai— windows on billboards and on every social media platform rm,— every social media platform so... it— every social media platform form, it hangs— every social media platform form, it hangs down regent street— form, it hangs down regent street in— form, it hangs down regent street in the— form, it hangs down regent street in the heart of our sapitat— street in the heart of our capitalr as— street in the heart of our capital, as if— street in the heart of our capital, as if we'd been sonoaeret— capital, as if we'd been conquered by- capital, as if we'd been conquered by a hostile force, not— conquered by a hostile force, not exastiy— conquered by a hostile force, not exastiy a— conquered by a hostile force, not exactly a sign of oppression,- not exactly a sign of oppression, is it? not exactly a sign of oppression, is it ? let's be oppression, is it? let's be noness— oppression, is it? let's be honest. pride— oppression, is it? let's be honest. pride month is a scam. targe— honest. pride month is a scam. large corporations— honest. pride month is a scam. large corporations milk it. they sasn— large corporations milk it. they sasn in— large corporations milk it. they sasn in on— large corporations milk it. they cash in on this— large corporations milk it. they cash in on this idea that there is an— cash in on this idea that there is an oppressed— cash in on this idea that there is an oppressed minority group in tnis— is an oppressed minority group in this wonderfully democratic nation— in this wonderfully democratic nation ot— in this wonderfully democratic nation of ours,— in this wonderfully democratic nation of ours, and they warp tnat— nation of ours, and they warp tnat idea— nation of ours, and they warp tnat idea in— nation of ours, and they warp that idea in order— nation of ours, and they warp that idea in order to sell more goods— that idea in order to sell more goods ant— that idea in order to sell more goods and services. it's nothing to to— goods and services. it's nothing to to witn— goods and services. it's nothing to do with values— goods and services. it's nothing to do with values ._ goods and services. it's nothing to do with values . if these to do with values. if these sooaies— to do with values. if these companies truly cared about the toni— companies truly cared about the lgbt community,— companies truly cared about the lgbt community, they'd be promoting— lgbt community, they'd be promoting pride month in territories— promoting pride month in territories where lgbt people are territories where lgbt people astaaity— territories where lgbt people are actually oppressed. are they doing— are actually oppressed. are they doing tnat,— are actually oppressed. are they doing that, though ? we live in doing that, though? we live in a soantry— doing that, though? we live in a soantry witn— doing that, though? we live in a country with equal— doing that, though? we live in a country with equal opportunities nnere— country with equal opportunities where discrimination is against the where discrimination is against tne tan— where discrimination is against tne tan ant— where discrimination is against the law and most— where discrimination is against the law and most ordinary folks nonto— the law and most ordinary folks nontn te— the law and most ordinary folks would be behind— the law and most ordinary folks would be behind any group that is aenaineiy— would be behind any group that is genuinely oppressed. does trite— is genuinely oppressed. does nrite .— is genuinely oppressed. does orite . in— is genuinely oppressed. does pride. in 2023— is genuinely oppressed. does pride . in 2023 really represent pride. in 2023 really represent avistin— pride. in 2023 really represent a victim ized_ pride. in 2023 really represent a victim ized class? let's take

a victim ized class? let's take a toot— a victim ized class? let's take a toot at— a victim ized class? let's take a look at some— a victim ized class? let's take a look at some pride events to non— a look at some pride events to non tney— a look at some pride events to see how they got— a look at some pride events to see how they got ._ a look at some pride events to see how they got . on for those see how they got. on for those of you— see how they got. on for those of you listening— see how they got. on for those of you listening on— see how they got. on for those of you listening on the radio, playing— of you listening on the radio, praying a— of you listening on the radio, we're playing a few clips of trite— we're playing a few clips of pride parades,— we're playing a few clips of pride parades, which i can only tessrite— pride parades, which i can only tessrite as— pride parades, which i can only describe as debauched , free and describe as debauched, free and intesensy— describe as debauched, free and intesensy .— describe as debauched, free and indecency . entirely indecency. entirely inappropriate for the public suaare— inappropriate for the public square, overly— inappropriate for the public square, overly sexualised tenaviour,— square, overly sexualised behaviour, quite often in front of sniitren.— behaviour, quite often in front of children. this— behaviour, quite often in front of children. this is not a celebration— of children. this is not a celebration of- of children. this is not a celebration of culture, at least not— celebration of culture, at least not any— celebration of culture, at least not any culture— celebration of culture, at least not any culture that i want any part— not any culture that i want any part on— not any culture that i want any part on its— not any culture that i want any pan on its not— not any culture that i want any part of. it's not a— not any culture that i want any part of. it's not a fight against— part of. it's not a fight against discrimination unless are against discrimination unless teina— against discrimination unless are being discriminated against and its— are being discriminated against and its not— are being discriminated against and it's not about— are being discriminated against and it's not about honouring indifference— and it's not about honouring indifference because those who disagree— indifference because those who disagree witn— indifference because those who disagree with this— indifference because those who disagree with this behaviour are snoutet— disagree with this behaviour are shouted down. _ disagree with this behaviour are shouted down. the so called oppressed— shouted down. the so called oppressed have— shouted down. the so called oppressed have become the oopressors— oppressed have become the oopressors as— oppressed have become the oopressors as .— oppressed have become the oppressors as. for oppressed have become the oppressors as . for those oppressors as. for those iistenine— oppressors as. for those listening on— oppressors as. for those listening on the radio here, we're watching— listening on the radio here, we're watching a christian man reading— we're watching a christian man rearing tne— we're watching a christian man reading the bible,— we're watching a christian man reading the bible, being iiteraiiy— reading the bible, being literally woofed at shouted at ant— literally woofed at shouted at and yeiiet— literally woofed at shouted at and yetiet at— literally woofed at shouted at and yelled at at— literally woofed at shouted at and yelled at at a pride event. its— and yelled at at a pride event. is a— and yelled at at a pride event. is a great— and yelled at at a pride event. it's a great shame— and yelled at at a pride event. it's a great shame for those

nitnin— it's a great shame for those nitnin tne— it's a great shame for those within the lgbt— it's a great shame for those within the lgbt communities who did within the lgbt communities who sit nont— within the lgbt communities who sit tient tor— within the lgbt communities who did fight for their— within the lgbt communities who did fight for their rights tesates— did fight for their rights decades ago.- did fight for their rights decades ago. they must feel such embarrassment— decades ago. they must feel such embarrassment at— decades ago. they must feel such embarrassment at what their movement has— embarrassment at what their movement has become. hi by seuai— movement has become. hi by sexual degenerates. well thank sot— sexual degenerates. well thank son is— sexual degenerates. well thank son is its— sexual degenerates. well thank god is it's over— sexual degenerates. well thank god is it's over for— sexual degenerates. well thank god is it's over for another year.— god is it's over for another year. it— god is it's over for another year. it is— god is it's over for another year. it is time— god is it's over for another year. it is time we reclaimed tne— year. it is time we reclaimed tne nontn— year. it is time we reclaimed the month of— year. it is time we reclaimed the month of june for something or someone even— the month of june for something or someone even more wholesome . or someone even more wholesome. a ne— or someone even more wholesome. a inquiry— or someone even more wholesome. a inquiry nas— or someone even more wholesome. a new inquiry has found the itoyai— a new inquiry has found the toyai air— a new inquiry has found the royal air force— a new inquiry has found the royal air force unlawfully discriminated— royal air force unlawfully discriminated against white men in a— discriminated against white men in a tie— discriminated against white men in a tit to— discriminated against white men in a bid to increase diversity . in a bid to increase diversity. hemme— in a bid to increase diversity. meanwhile, the— in a bid to increase diversity. meanwhile, the us supreme court has meanwhile, the us supreme court nas ruiet— meanwhile, the us supreme court nas ruiet tnat— meanwhile, the us supreme court has ruled that race— meanwhile, the us supreme court has ruled that race can no ionqer— has ruled that race can no tonqer te— has ruled that race can no longer be considered a factor in university— longer be considered a factor in university admissions. the iantnart— university admissions. the landmark ruling changes decades old landmark ruling changes decades oit us— landmark ruling changes decades old us policies— landmark ruling changes decades old us policies on— landmark ruling changes decades old us policies on so—called affirmative _ old us policies on so—called affirmative action, also known as positive— affirmative action, also known as positive discrimination . as positive discrimination. affirmative _ as positive discrimination. affirmative action first made its way— affirmative action first made its way into— affirmative action first made its way into policy in the 1960s ant— its way into policy in the 1960s and nas— its way into policy in the 1960s and nas teen— its way into policy in the 1960s and has been defended as a way to pursue— and has been defended as a way to pursue a— and has been defended as a way to pursue a diversity . all of to pursue a diversity. all of unisn— to pursue a diversity. all of which brings— to pursue a diversity. all of which brings me to today's dual

. so— which brings me to today's dual . so is— which brings me to today's dual . so is affirmative— which brings me to today's dual . so is affirmative action good or note— . so is affirmative action good or not? joining— . so is affirmative action good or not? joining me now on my quai— or not? joining me now on my tuat iists— or not? joining me now on my dual lists, conor_ or not? joining me now on my dual lists, conor tomlinson , dual lists, conor tomlinson, nost— dual lists, conor tomlinson, nost ot— dual lists, conor tomlinson, nost ot tne— dual lists, conor tomlinson, host of the lotus- dual lists, conor tomlinson, host of the lotus eaters podcast , ant— host of the lotus eaters podcast , ant uiqet— host of the lotus eaters podcast , and nigel nelson, senior poiitisai— , and nigel nelson, senior political commentator here at gb ueus. — political commentator here at gb ueus. nigel— political commentator here at gb news. nigel, we're— political commentator here at gb news. nigel, we're going to stan— news. nigel, we're going to stan witn— news. nigel, we're going to start with you— news. nigel, we're going to start with you first. what is your— start with you first. what is your tate— start with you first. what is your take on— start with you first. what is your take on affirmative action? wrat— your take on affirmative action? what i— your take on affirmative action? what i was— your take on affirmative action? what i was saying— your take on affirmative action? what i was saying before- your take on affirmative action? what i was saying before that in principle it must be right to stop it on on equality grounds. i'm uncomfortable for instance, with the idea of all black or all women shortlists for parliamentary elections . parliamentary elections. however, it depends how these things work in practise and if you end up with a situation whereby you have less diversity at universities that has to be wrong. so there are there are a whole host of issues that that need to be taken into account. you've got legacy admissions where you get into university because your dad or mum went to that university to do. you're a better chance if you're a white, middle class person in america

than you do if you come from an ethnic minority. so point is ethnic minority. so my point is that in an ideal world, you get rid of the idea that somebody is given a special advantage cottage, but equally they must be disadvantaged, disadvantaged because of it. so any obstacles they have in the way of getting to university ought to be taken into account. so remove the advantages— into account. so remove the advantages, but— so remove the advantages, but don't provide an advantage. — advantages, but don't provide an advantage. ves— advantages, but don't provide an advantage. “4115 , advantages, but don't provide an advantage. “4115 {er okay advantage. yes, basically. okay . connor, what's— advantage. yes, basically. okay . connor, what's your— advantage. “4115 , okay . connor, what's your take advantage. “4115 {er okay . connor, what's your take on tnise — . connor, what's your take on tnise nuan— . connor, what's your take on this? -was an- . connor, what's your take on this? -was an entirely. this? if it was an entirely neutral ground, i'd agree. i wanted just back and say wanted to just come back and say that's the situation in the that's not the situation in the uk of universities. uk in terms of universities. actually working young uk in terms of universities. actually w

against applicants, against asian applicants, because there were many of because there were too many of them they said they didn't them and they said they didn't have compatible personal personalities with the institution, just institution, which is just abhorrent. is more diversity abhorrent. why is more diversity an axiomatic good? why is it good and of itself? why is good in and of itself? why is diversity good? since i just tnint— diversity good? since i just tnint tnat— diversity good? since i just think that people - r: can 33“ since ijust think that people should have as nusn— think that people should have as nusn-tney— think that people should have as nusn-tney-qol think that people should have asi nusn-tney-qo to much chance as they can to go to university— much chance as they can to go to university -therefore - much chance as they can to go to university therefore it university and therefore it snouit— university and therefore it snouitlas— university and therefore it should-as near- university and therefore it should as near as you can get should be as near as you can get it. lievet— should be as near as you can get it. lteyet piayinq— should be as near as you can get it. level playing field. so it. a level playing field. so unat— it. a level playing field. so unat nas— it. a level playing field. so what has been— it. a level playing field. so what has been happening in anerisa— what has been happening in america prior— what has been happening in america prior to— what has been happening in america prior to this was that if america prior to this was that it yours— america prior to this was that if you're middle— america prior to this was that if you're middle class and wipe,— if you're middle class and wipe, you— if you're middle class and white, you stood a better chance of white, you stood a better chance or qettinq— white, you stood a better chance of getting going— white, you stood a better chance of getting going to_ white, you stood a better chance of getting going to university tnan— of getting going to university tnan it— of getting going to university than if-were_ of getting going to university than if were working class than if you were working class ant— than if you were working class ant-so— than if you were working class ant-so tnat— than if you were working class and-so that was- than if you were working class and so that was the and black. so that was the point.— and black. so that was the point-tonn- and black. so that was the point. don't like the point. now, i don't like the idea— point. now, i don't like the idea ot— point. now, i don't like the idea of quotas— point. now, i don't like the idea of quotas or anything like tnat.— idea of quotas or anything like that-ido— idea of quotas or anything like tnat-lto-tne— idea of quotas or anything like that.ido-the idea- idea of quotas or anything like that. do the idea of that. i do like the idea of getting— that. i do like the idea of qettinq rit— that. i do like the idea of getting rid of— that. i do like the idea of getting rid of obstacles getting rid of the obstacles stantinq— getting rid of the obstacles standing in— getting rid of the obstacles standing in the— getting rid of the obstacles standing in the way of people ant— standing in the way of people and taking— standing in the way of people and taking into— standing in the way of people and taking into account people's intivituai— and taking into account people's individual circumstances . individual circumstances. as so i'm individual circumstances. as so in atnrost— individual circumstances. as so i'm almost with— individual circumstances. as so i'm almost with you _ individual circumstances. as so i'm almost with you because it sounds like you're saying that meritocracy is a good thing that we should aim towards. yes. however question, however peter connor's question, which will ask again, which i will, i will ask again, is, is diversity good thing? is, is diversity a good thing? well , surely must be that is, is diversity a good thing? . well , surelylmust be that the well, surely it must be that the idea— well, surely it must be that the idea tnat— well, surely it must be that the idea tnat-it— well, surely it must be that the

idea that-if you- well, surely it must be that the idea that if you are idea that well, if you are discriminating- idea that well, if you are discriminating against a panisuiar— discriminating against a particular group of people, it toesn-t— particular group of people, it doesn't matter— particular group of people, it doesn't matter whether they're wipe,— doesn't matter whether they're wipe, tiast— doesn't matter whether they're white, black, asian, whatever tney— white, black, asian, whatever tney-te, — white, black, asian, whatever tney-te, it— white, black, asian, whatever they- be, if you're - white, black, asian, whatever they be, if you're if you they might be, if you're if you are they might be, if you're if you toinq— they might be, if you're if you are doing that— they might be, if you're if you are doing that ,_ they might be, if you're if you are doing that , that surely is are doing that, that surely is not— are doing that, that surely is not represent— are doing that, that surely is not represent society and tneretore— not represent society and therefore it— not represent society and therefore it must be wrong. tnat-s— therefore it must be wrong. runs a— therefore it must be wrong. that's a different— therefore it must be wrong. that's a different question. you're inferring the fact you're inferring by the fact that there are not a precise number of people of different ethnic a group. no, ethnic makeups in a group. no, no, saying no, no, i'm not saying quotas. no, no, i'm not saying quotas. no, no, i'm not saying quotas. no, no, i didn't say quotas no, no. i didn't say quotas by looking a if the group looking at a group. if the group was entirely white, would you infer that there's discrimination there? because it's not diverse? it would depend— it's not diverse? it would depend .what- e r: , it would depend what background it's not diverse? it would- depend .what background they depend on what background they sarne—rnean it- depend on what background they came _mean, if you l came from. yes. i mean, if you fount— came from. yes. i mean, if you tount tnat— came from. yes. i mean, if you found that that's— came from. yes. i mean, if you found that that's the thing i've got i-ve— found that that's the thing i've qot ive got— found that that's the thing i've qot i-ye qot no— found that that's the thing i've got i've got no i've got no it— got i've got no i've got no issue. �*" got i've got no i've got no- issue. if everyone's competing on level, playing field, on that level, playing field, you cohort there you say. and in one cohort there is black applicants that meet is no black applicants that meet the for test a certain course. then wrong. then there's nothing wrong. that's point about colour. that's my point about on colour. tnat-s— that's my point about on colour. was my— that's my point about on colour. that's my-about- that's my point about on colour. that's my about obstacles that's my point about obstacles teinq— that's my point about obstacles teinq-tne— that's my point about obstacles teinq-tne nay- being being in the way that tnere— being being in the way that tnere-te— being being in the way that there-be-be- being being in the way thati there-be-be some there must be must be some ieeuay— there must be must be some teeuay qiyen. — there must be must be some leeway given. you're saying peopie— leeway given. you're saying peopte-te— leeway given. you're saying people be europol people people must be europol people nave— people must be europol people nave nat— people must be europol people nave nat a— people must be europol people have had a more— people must be europol people have had a more difficult time qettinq— getting whether you pause for a seson— getting whether you pause for a sesont-ati— getting whether you pause for a second-all things- second because all things considered,— second because all things considered, if— second because all things considered, if we remove all the otstasies— considered, if we remove all the obstacles and— considered, if we remove all the obstacles and actually live obstacles and we actually live in—sosiety- obstacles and we actually livei in _society, which in a meritocratic society, which.

we're aiming towards, we do not tive— we're aiming towards, we do not tivelit— we're aiming towards, we do not iivelit, tut— we're aiming towards, we do not iivelit, tut say— we're aiming towards, we do not live-it, but say we— live in it, but say we get tnere— live in it, but say we get tnere. — live in it, but say we get tnere. lus— live in it, but say we get there. lwe got- live in it, but say we get there. grip live in it, but say we get there. grit stifti; �*" live in it, but say we get- there. lwe got there, if we there. if we got there, if we get to that point and we have a university that happens to have all asian students or no, let's university that happens to have all .let's students or no, let's university that happens to have all .let's gordents or no, let's university that happens to have all .let's go for�*its or no, let's university that happens to have all .let's go for the)r no, let's university that happens to have all .let's go for the argument's say let's go for the argument's sake, what of said sake, what kind of said university happens to have all white would be an white students? would that be an inherently it would inherently bad thing? it would not that if that not be wrong if that was if that was situation in the same was the situation in the same way, ref ended up with way, if the ref ended up with all white pilots because they were the best people to fly planes. so you're not talking diversity— planes. so you're not talking tiversity tor— so you're not talking diversity for diversity sake. toure— diversity for diversity sake. . tours—squat you're you're arguing for equal opportunities. get opportunities. yes. to get behind. yes connor, let's talk about situation, because about the situation, because here have we soldiers here we have we have soldiers who country. here we have we have soldiers who know, country. here we have we have soldiers who know, this country. here we have we have soldiers who know, this this country. here we have we have soldiers who know, this this this country. here we have we have soldiers who know, this this this colonel. you know, this this this colonel have 14 years, had done two tours afghanistan tours in afghanistan for goodness has been booted goodness sake, has been booted out for saying women cannot out for saying that women cannot become cannot become become men and men cannot become women. fact. women. that's a biological fact. but actually in the but he was actually in the case where he mentioned he was where he mentioned this, he was fighting for women's rights, saying sports, man saying that in sports, a man cannot become a woman because that's unfair for women in women's unsafe, women's sports. and it's unsafe, actually. booted actually. and he's been booted out. think we'll end out. so do you think we'll end up a situation actually up in a situation where actually this diversity,

this push for diversity, inclusion and equality and this push lgbt ideology in areas push for lgbt ideology in areas like will like the armed forces will result in armed force full of result in an armed force full of people unable to fight people who are unable to fight for i think going to for us. i think it's going to nappen— for us. i think it's going to happen across— for us. i think it's going to happen across all- i think it's going to happen across all sorts of strata— happen across all sorts of strata ot— happen across all sorts of strata of society, particularly witn— strata of society, particularly with diversity— strata of society, particularly with diversity on boards with diversity quotas on boards for with diversity quotas on boards tor-sonpanies- with diversity quotas on boards for-companies or- for access of companies or ratner— for access of companies or ratner-to- for access of companies or rather-to hedge| for access of companies or- rather-to hedge fund rather for access to hedge fund money— rather for access to hedge fund money-tne— rather for access to hedge fund money-the guise- rather for access to hedge fund money the guise esg. money under the guise of esg. tnis— money under the guise of esg. inis—you-re- money under the guise of esg.. inis—you-re qoinq money under the guise of esg.. in qet—you-re qoinq money under the guise of esg. th get when you're going money under the guise of esg. th get when you've you're going money under the guise of esg. th get when you've goti're going money under the guise of esg. th get when you've got complex to get when you've got complex institutions— to get when you've got complex institutions, high— to get when you've got complex institutions, high level jobs tnat— institutions, high level jobs tnat-niqner- institutions, high level jobsi that- higher-of that require higher levels of sonpetensy— competency, then dismissing apptisants— competency, then dismissing apptisants on— competency, then dismissing applicants on the on the basis of tneir— applicants on the on the basis of tneir ae— applicants on the on the basis of their race and— applicants on the on the basis of their race and sex, as the titt— of their race and sex, as the tar tit— of their race and sex, as the tar sit in— of their race and sex, as the raf did in their— of their race and sex, as the raf did in their internal enaiis. — raf did in their internal emails. -said,- raf did in their internal emails. said, provide me emails. that said, provide me a list emails. that said, provide me a iist ot— emails. that said, provide me a iist of name— emails. that said, provide me a list of bame and— emails. that said, provide me a list of bame and women apptisants— list of bame and women applicants because we don't want more—unite- applicants because we don't want more,_white malei more, quote, useless white male piiots. — more, quote, useless white male pitots-unen— more, quote, useless white male pilots. _when the - more, quote, useless white male pilots. when the planes more, quote, useless white male pilottdropping hen the planes more, quote, useless white male pilottdropping out the planes more, quote, useless white male pilottdropping out ofe planes more, quote, useless white male pilottdropping out of the anes more, quote, useless white male pilottdropping out of the sky; start dropping out of the sky ant— start dropping out of the sky ant-teena- start dropping out of the sky and-defend our- start dropping out of the sky and defend our own and we can't defend our own sountry— and we can't defend our own sountry-are— and we can't defend our own country, are going to country, what are you going to toe— country, what are you going to toe-qoinq— country, what are you going to toe-qoinq to- country, what are you going to toe-qoinq to say,- country, what are you going to do? going to say, oh, do? are you going to say, oh, tnat— do? are you going to say, oh, tnat nayte— do? are you going to say, oh, tnat maybe it— do? are you going to say, oh, that maybe it-a- do? are you going to say, oh, that maybe it a mistake to that maybe it was a mistake to tissrininate— that maybe it was a mistake to discriminate against white men? or discriminate against white men? or as— discriminate against white men? or as i— discriminate against white men? or as i p...— discriminate against white men? or as i p... are— discriminate against white men? or as i fear, are they so deep in-tnat— or as i fear, are they so deep in-that they'll- or as i fear, are they so deep in _that they'll say. in ideology that they'll say tnat— in ideology that they'll say that—falling- in ideology that they'll say that falling out in ideology that they'll say. that—falling out of that planes are falling out of the that planes are falling out of tne sty— that planes are falling out of the sky because— that planes are falling out of the sky because still don't the sky because we still don't nave— the sky because we still don't have _authentic- have enough authentic black voices? _nigel,. have enough authentic black. voices? _nigel, this voices? right. so, nigel, this is problem. we're pushing is the problem. we're pushing out real fighting men in favour of. well, for perceived freedoms, pushing out freedoms, but we're pushing out people who will fight for actual freedoms. mean,

freedoms. well, i mean, senainiy— freedoms. well, i mean, certainly-got- freedoms. well, i mean, certainly-got this| certainly the ref got this wrong — certainly the ref got this wrong. imean,- certainly the ref got this wrong. mean, i certainly the ref got this wrong. imean,-i the wrong. i mean, the i mean the pnrase— wrong. i mean, the i mean the pnrase tnat— wrong. i mean, the i mean the phrase that-don't- wrong. i mean, the i mean the phrase that don't want phrase that we don't want useessi— phrase that we don't want useless-pilots,- phrase that we don't want useless pilots, i think useless white pilots, i think tate— useless white pilots, i think tats-unite— useless white pilots, i think take-white out.- useless white pilots, i think take white out. you don't take the white out. you don't want— take the white out. you don't want useless— take the white out. you don't want useless pilots. indeed. as sinpie— want useless pilots. indeed. as sinpie-so— want useless pilots. indeed. as sinpie-soltne- want useless pilots. indeed. as simple so the basis simple as that. so on the basis of simple as that. so on the basis ot-tney— simple as that. so on the basis ot-tney tney— simple as that. so on the basis of-they they were - simple as that. so on the basis of they they were trying simple as that. so on the basis of trying:hey they were trying simple as that. so on the basis of trying toy they were trying simple as that. so on the basis of trying to do iey were trying simple as that. so on the basis of trying to do the nere trying simple as that. so on the basis of trying to do the same rying simple as that. so on the basis of trying to do the same thing to trying to do the same thing as tne— to trying to do the same thing as the american— to trying to do the same thing as the american universities, if you— as the american universities, if you its. — as the american universities, if you its iney— as the american universities, if you like. they were trying to encourage more— you like. they were trying to encourage more ethnic minorities and into— encourage more ethnic minorities and women into the raf instead , and women into the raf instead, tney— and women into the raf instead, tney prote— and women into the raf instead, tney trote tne— and women into the raf instead, they broke the law— and women into the raf instead, they broke the law by discriminating against white peopie— discriminating against white peopte so— discriminating against white peopte so tnat— discriminating against white people so that clearly is wrong. ant— people so that clearly is wrong. ant its— people so that clearly is wrong. ant it-s teen— people so that clearly is wrong. and it's been ruled wrong. and the and it's been ruled wrong. and tne titt— and it's been ruled wrong. and tne tot no— and it's been ruled wrong. and the raf now accepts that that tney— the raf now accepts that that tney mate— the raf now accepts that that tney mate a— the raf now accepts that that they made a mistake on that. so qettinq— they made a mistake on that. so we're getting somewhere- they made a mistake on that. so we're getting somewhere because we're getting somewhere because we're seeing that these things are a bad thing. affirmative action, positive discrimination is . that's is racial discrimination. that's not we should be not something we should be striving conor, striving for as a nation. conor, are there any circumstances where you would diversity is where you would say diversity is a good thing if it happens by factor of competence? i've got no problem with— factor of competence? i've got no problem with it.— factor of competence? i've got no problem with it. i- i it?" if i've got no problem with it. i mean, i titit if i've got no problem with it. i mean, this is tiny— no problem with it. i mean, this is tiny youre— no problem with it. i mean, this is tiny youre ny— no problem with it. i mean, this is why you're my friend, calvin. i is why you're my friend, calvin. i ton-t— is why you're my friend, calvin. i ton-t sare— is why you're my friend, calvin. i don't care about— is why you're my friend, calvin. i don't care about your skin sooui — i don't care about your skin sooui i— i don't care about your skin sooui i sare— i don't care about your skin colour. i care about what you say— colour. i care about what you say ant— colour. i care about what you say and unat— colour. i care about what you say and what you— colour. i care about what you say and what you think. and so

if say and what you think. and so it ty— say and what you think. and so if by happy— say and what you think. and so if by happy accident, you've got eeryone— if by happy accident, you've got everyone-colour- if by happy accident, you've got everyone colour and men everyone of every colour and men ant— everyone of every colour and men and in— everyone of every colour and men and women in the— everyone of every colour and men and women in the room. but and women in the same room. but n-eretoarst— and women in the same room. but we're-towards the- and women in the same room. but we're towards the same we're working towards the same qoai— we're working towards the same goal-wholesome,- goal of a wholesome, reconstituted goal of a wholesome,- reconstituted-and reconstituted society and sonetninq— reconstituted society and something -to - reconstituted society and something to a healthier something akin to a healthier esonoy inen— something akin to a healthier economy. then yeah, no issue witn— economy. then yeah, no issue nitn it. — economy. then yeah, no issue nitn it. okay.— economy. then yeah, no issue with it. oéftit i economy. then yeah, no issue with it. i with it. okay. because my argument would be time argument would be the only time when diverse motty is a good thing in academia would be academic people of academic diversity, people of different opinions different thoughts and opinions coming argue ideas coming together to argue ideas with other rather than with each other rather than start that premise of equal start from that premise of equal opportunity and what we're talking about here is people who don't equal opportunity don't have the equal opportunity . well, was quite an . okay, well, that was quite an engaging debate. thank you very much conor tomlinson much to conor tomlinson and nigel nelson for your time today. more to come on that this afternoon common afternoon on my common sense crusade . we'll talking crusade. next, we'll be talking to anglican church leader, to an anglican church leader, the richard fothergill the reverend richard fothergill , on yorkshire building , on why yorkshire building society closed his bank account. plus a christian teacher who was asked to give his view on marriage as a training course was sacked for was subsequently sacked for so—called hate speech . we have so—called hate speech. we have the teacher himself, ben dubowsky, to tell us more on what really happened. back with

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listening to gb news radio . listening to gb news radio. iistsonre— listening to gb news radio. welcome back— listening to gb news radio. welcome back to— listening to gb news radio. welcome back to the- listening to gb news radio. welcome back to the common sense crusade with me, the reverend calvin robinson on your tv onune calvin robinson on your tv online and on your wireless . online and on your wireless. it's now it's not just high profile people who are getting cancelled by banks . an anglican cancelled by banks. an anglican church leader, the reverend richard fothergill, who had been with the yorkshire building society years, had his society for 17 years, had his savings account closed down with only 14 days notice . richard only 14 days notice. richard says the account was closed after he politely rebutted what he saw as the bank's promotion of transgender ideology. well the reverend richard fothergill joins me now in the studio to tell me all about it. first of all, thank you for joining us. pleasure. nice to be here. i'm sorry— pleasure. nice to be here. i'm sorry to— pleasure. nice to be here. i'm sorry to near— pleasure. nice to be here. i'm sorry to hear about— pleasure. nice to be here. i'm sorry to hear about what's happened to you. can you give us a summary of what you do? a summary of what did you do? yeah, quickly, obviously, yeah, well, quickly, obviously, i yeah, well, quickly, obviously, i—tor- yeah, well, quickly, obviously, i—tor p- yeah, well, quickly, obviously, i—tor p yearsi i had this account for 17 years ant— i had this account for 17 years and i— i had this account for 17 years and i nat— i had this account for 17 years and i had been— i had this account for 17 years and i had been a— i had this account for 17 years and i had been a very good provider— and i had been a very good provider managing money provider of managing my money for provider of managing my money tor tnat—

provider of managing my money tor tnat tonq— provider of managing my money for that long period. and i just before— for that long period. and i just tetore june— for that long period. and i just before june started , rbs have before june started, rbs have ainays— before june started, rbs have atnays teen— before june started, rbs have always been sending stuff out to tneir— always been sending stuff out to their members— always been sending stuff out to their members saying, give us your— their members saying, give us your feedback,— their members saying, give us your feedback, how are we doing? we want— your feedback, how are we doing? we want to— your feedback, how are we doing? we want to hear— your feedback, how are we doing? we want to hear from you and tnis— we want to hear from you and tnis tint— we want to hear from you and tnis tint ot— we want to hear from you and this kind of stuff.— we want to hear from you and this kind of stuff. so just before— this kind of stuff. so just before june— this kind of stuff. so just before june kicked off, it was notiseatie— before june kicked off, it was noticeable that— before june kicked off, it was noticeable that they were going to—itrite, — noticeable that they were going to _ pride, lgbt- noticeable that they were going to pride, lgbt week to push pride, pride, lgbt week tninq— to push pride, pride, lgbt week tninq tor— to push pride, pride, lgbt week tninq tor tne— to push pride, pride, lgbt week thing for the month of june . and thing for the month of june. and so i— thing for the month of june. and so i tnouqnt,— thing for the month of june. and so i thought, well,— thing for the month of june. and so i thought, well, okay, i'll tite— so i thought, well, okay, i'll give tnen— so i thought, well, okay, i'll give them some— so i thought, well, okay, i'll give them some feedback. and so tnat-s— give them some feedback. and so tnat-s tnat— give them some feedback. and so that's whatldid._ give them some feedback. and so that's whatldid. i— give them some feedback. and so that's what did. i wrote in that's what i did. i wrote in tneir— that's what i did. i wrote in tneir on— that's what i did. i wrote in their on-portal- their on their portal just a soupie— their on their portal just a soupte ot— their on their portal just a couple of paragraphs. that reaiiy— couple of paragraphs. that really wasn't— couple of paragraphs. that really wasn't a— couple of paragraphs. that really wasn't a very substantial tint,— really wasn't a very substantial tint-reatt— really wasn't a very substantial thing,-really two- really wasn't a very substantial thing, really two points. thing, saying really two points. ene— thing, saying really two points. tne-tnis— thing, saying really two points. tne-tnis a— thing, saying really two points. one-this a real- thing, saying really two points. one this a real isn't one was, is this a real isn't tnis— one was, is this a real isn't tnis a— one was, is this a real isn't tnis a pit— one was, is this a real isn't this a bit of— one was, is this a real isn't this a bit of a— one was, is this a real isn't this a bit of a waste of your enerqiese— this a bit of a waste of your energies? because primarily youre— energies? because primarily youretnere— energies? because primarily you're there to— energies? because primarily you're there to manage money, not to— you're there to manage money, not to sosiai— you're there to manage money, not do social engineering ? and not do social engineering? and tnen— not do social engineering? and tnen sesontiy— not do social engineering? and then secondly, i— not do social engineering? and then secondly, i as a minister in tne— then secondly, i as a minister in the church,— then secondly, i as a minister in the church, have serious etnisai— in the church, have serious ethical problems with the agenda . tent.— ethical problems with the agenda . itiqnt. ant— ethical problems with the agenda . right. and that— ethical problems with the agenda . right. and that one particular tninq— . right. and that one particular tninq ,— . right. and that one particular tninq , ant— . right. and that one particular thing , and particularly agenda thing, and particularly agenda to tasisaiiy— thing, and particularly agenda to basically impacting children and to basically impacting children ant tnat— to basically impacting children and that wanting— to basically impacting children and that wanting to have access to sniitren. — and that wanting to have access to children. and— and that wanting to have access to children. and i— and that wanting to have access to children. and i go actually a tittie— to children. and i go actually a iittie tint— to children. and i go actually a little link clip— to children. and i go actually a little link clip to— to children. and i go actually a little link clip to the news reports—

little link clip to the news reports about— little link clip to the news reports about the drag queen story— reports about the drag queen story nour— reports about the drag queen story nour ,— reports about the drag queen story hour , which has been going story hour, which has been going on in— story hour, which has been going on in tnerisa— story hour, which has been going on in america and— story hour, which has been going on in america and is going on, untortunateiy— on in america and is going on, unfortunately, a— on in america and is going on, unfortunately, a bit in this sountry— unfortunately, a bit in this sountry, too,— unfortunately, a bit in this country, too, just to kind of reference point— country, too, just to kind of reference point that. and i tnouqnt— reference point that. and i thought really— reference point that. and i thought really there are almost senainiy— thought really there are almost sertainiy tne— thought really there are almost certainly the customer relations tepartnent— certainly the customer relations tepartnent-it- department will bin it and tney-ii— department will bin it and they'll—that. i they'll just ignore that. i tnouqnt— they'll just ignore that. i tnouqnt-it- they'll just ignore that. i thought if they've they'll just ignore that. i thought-if they've 100 thought maybe if they've got 100 otner—iite- other similar questions like tnis— other similar questions like tnis-tneir— other similar questions like this their members, they this from their members, they niqnt— this from their members, they niqnt pin,— this from their members, they might think, oh,— this from their members, they might think, oh, well, perhaps this from their members, they mig know, k, oh, well, perhaps this from their members, they mig know, perhapszll, perhaps this from their members, they mig know, perhaps there'siaps you know, perhaps there's sonetninq— you know, perhaps there's something we something in this perhaps we snouitn-t— something in this perhaps wej shouldn't—pride shouldn't push this gay pride stutt— shouldn't push this gay pride stutt so— shouldn't push this gay pride stutt so-so— shouldn't push this gay pride stuff so-so i- shouldn't push this gay pride stuff so so i heard stuff so much. so i heard notninq— stuff so much. so i heard nothing until— stuff so much. so i heard nothing until last week. and tnen— nothing until last week. and tnenlqot— nothing until last week. and thenigotlrather- nothing until last week. and then got rather surprised then i got a rather surprised ietter— then i got a rather surprised ietter tron — then i got a rather surprised letter from them saying rather etrerne— letter from them saying rather extreme things— letter from them saying rather extreme things like , the extreme things like, the relationship— extreme things like, the relationship between us is irrevosatiy— relationship between us is irrevocably broken down. oh reatiye— irrevocably broken down. oh reaitye inis— irrevocably broken down. oh really? this is— irrevocably broken down. oh really? this is the first time ite— really? this is the first time ive neart— really? this is the first time i've heard about— really? this is the first time i've heard about it on this tetter— i've heard about it on this ietter .— i've heard about it on this ietter . ant— i've heard about it on this letter . and so— i've heard about it on this letter . and so we're going to letter. and so we're going to toss— letter. and so we're going to stose your— letter. and so we're going to close your account at end of story.— close your account at end of story. toue— close your account at end of story. you've got— close your account at end of story. you've got 14 days to tate— story. you've got 14 days to take tne— story. you've got 14 days to take the money— story. you've got 14 days to take the money out of the assount— take the money out of the account and— take the money out of the account and that's it. so that's tnere— account and that's it. so that's tnere ue— account and that's it. so that's where we are now. i: where we are now. scandal. so you— where we are now. scandal. so you protested very politely that you protested very politely that you indeed and you disagreed. indeed stance and said they could no longer work with your relationship with you. your relationship was broken that's broken beyond repair. that's right. but we know that people that murderers , rapists and that are murderers, rapists and have bank accounts, lots of

terrible people have bank accounts. you just happen to have conservative on have conservative views on sexual ? yeah, it seems sexual ethics? yeah, it seems tite— sexual ethics? yeah, it seems iite it.— sexual ethics? yeah, it seems iite it. itiqnt— sexual ethics? yeah, it seems iite it. itiqnt — sexual ethics? yeah, it seems like it. right and— sexual ethics? yeah, it seems like it. right and you- sexual ethics? yeah, it seems like it. right and you think that's beyond the pale for a bank? well, i don't think so. i say,— bank? well, i don't think so. i say, you— bank? well, i don't think so. i say, you know,— bank? well, i don't think so. i say, you know, as— , well, i don't think so. i say, you know, as somebody said to me— say, you know, as somebody said to it— say, you know, as somebody said to it tney-re— say, you know, as somebody said to me, if they're going to be tnat— to me, if they're going to be tnat-about— to me, if they're going to be that-about the- to me, if they're going to be that about the values and that picky about the values and norttvien— that picky about the values and noritvien ot— that picky about the values and worldview of their— that picky about the values and worldview of their customers, of tneir— worldview of their customers, of tneir o— worldview of their customers, of their 3 million— worldview of their customers, of their 3 million customers or nnatever— their 3 million customers or whatever they _ their 3 million customers or whatever they have, they weren't going— whatever they have, they weren't qoinq to — whatever they have, they weren't qoinq to ent — whatever they have, they weren't qoinq to ent up— whatever they have, they weren't going to end up with very many tert— going to end up with very many iett. tou— going to end up with very many left. you know,— going to end up with very many left. you know, people are going to ieave— left. you know, people are going to leave because— left. you know, people are going to leave because that's the nnoie— to leave because that's the whole _genuine| whole thing about genuine tiversity— whole thing about genuine diversity,_ofl diversity, the diversity of opinion. — diversity, the diversity of opinion. _have- diversity, the diversity of opinion. have different opinion. we all have different views— opinion. we all have different views-allowed- opinion. we all have different views-allowed to. views and we're allowed to epress— views and we're allowed to express them.— views and we're allowed to express them. this is britain. so express them. this is britain. so-tnat— express them. this is britain. so-that work?- so how does that work? practically had a two practically you've had a two week period to move your money to i haven't to another bank. well, i haven't novet—tvo- to another bank. well, i haven't moved—two week- moved it yet. the two week periot— moved it yet. the two week period finishes— moved it yet. the two week period finishes on thursday, i tnint— period finishes on thursday, i pin-weep,— period finishes on thursday, i think-week, so- period finishes on thursday, i think week, so one of the think next week, so one of the reasons|vvent— think next week, so one of the reasons iwent and— think next week, so one of the reasons went and talked to reasons i went and talked to rournaiists— reasons i went and talked to journalists times journalists at the times yestertay— journalists at the times yesterday was flag this up. i yesterday was to flag this up. i i— yesterday was to flag this up. i i suppose— yesterday was to flag this up. i mean, i suppose what i would tite— mean, i suppose what i would tits—ions- mean, i suppose what i would like—rbs would. mean, i suppose what i wouldi like—rbs would just like really from rbs would just be like really from rbs would just telapoioqy— like really from rbs would just telapoioqy ant— like really from rbs would just be apology and hope that be an apology and i hope that tney— be an apology and i hope that tney vouitn-t— be an apology and i hope that they wouldn't again. they wouldn't do it again. i nope— they wouldn't do it again. i nope-tney— they wouldn't do it again. i hope they wouldn't actually hope that they wouldn't actually putty— hope that they wouldn't actuallyi putty—eise bully and intimidate anyone else that bully and intimidate anyone else tnat nas— bully and intimidate anyone else tnat nas a— bully and intimidate anyone else that has a different opinion to tnenseives— that has a different opinion to themselves . _ that has a different opinion to themselves . i m: themselves. because, richard, themselves. because, richard, the thing worry about is that

the thing i worry about is that it's natwest metro tide first direct, paypal and the yorkshire building have all been building society have all been kicking people out that don't subscribe lgbtq agenda . subscribe to the lgbtq agenda. okay, i quite get my head okay, i can't quite get my head around a bank around the idea that a bank needs to have a set values needs to have a set of values rather just managing money. rather than just managing money. and have a set of and if it does have a set of values, are they around values, why are they around sexual yeah, well, i sexual ethics. yeah, well, i tent— sexual ethics. yeah, well, i tent to— sexual ethics. yeah, well, i tend to agree— sexual ethics. yeah, well, i tend to agree with- stixua tit; yeah, well, i tend to agree with you. stitch? is yeah, well, i tend to agree with you. they're not tnere — tend to agree with you. they're not tnere tor— tend to agree with you. they're not there for social engineering. that's not their purpose—itiqntl engineering. that's not their purpose—itiqnt i purpose in life, is it? right ant— purpose in life, is it? right andlnoticed_ purpose in life, is it? right andlnoticed that- purpose in life, is it? right andlnoticed that they- purpose in life, is it? right . andlnoticed that they -to and i noticed that they said to you they zero tolerance you they have zero tolerance against discrimination. now, did you against you discriminate against anybody? no, at all. nothing anybody? no, not at all. nothing personai—as- anybody? no, not at all. nothing personai—as i- personal in it. it was, as i say,— personal in it. it was, as i say, i— personal in it. it was, as i say, i mentioned the financial site— say, i mentioned the financial site .— say, i mentioned the financial site .-your— say, i mentioned the financial side .-your-more- side. use your time more constructively, - constructively, managing money. and constructively, managing money. ant—i— constructively, managing money. ant—i nave- constructively, managing money.| and—i have from and then the concern i have from a snristian— and then the concern i have from a christian perspective about panisuiariy— a christian perspective about particularly some obe, some trans— particularly some obe, some trans sexuals_ particularly some obe, some trans sexuals wanting to have access to children, a disagreement not disagreement is not discrimination. isn't at discrimination. that isn't at at. — discrimination. that isn't at at. lunat— discrimination. that isn't at all. .what do- discrimination. that isn't at- all. .what do-recommend all. so what do you recommend people do? well, it'd be people do? do? well, it'd be quite— people do? do? well, it'd be quite qoot— people do? do? well, it'd be quite goodlthere's- people do? do? well, it'd be quite goodlthere's a- t:tit7 jtit7 well, it'd be quite good there's a bit of a quite good if there's a bit of a pusn— quite good if there's a bit of a pusn tast— quite good if there's a bit of a pusn past to— quite good if there's a bit of a push back to maybe the chairman and push back to maybe the chairman ant tne— push back to maybe the chairman ant tne sto— push back to maybe the chairman ant tne sto ot— push back to maybe the chairman and the ceo of yorkshire nuiitinq— and the ceo of yorkshire building society and say , don't building society and say, don't go building society and say, don't to town— building society and say, don't to town tnis— building society and say, don't go down this rabbit hole of a panisuiar— go down this rabbit hole of a particular worldview or a

panisuiar— particular worldview or a particular set— particular worldview or a particular set of values because youre— particular set of values because youre qoinq— particular set of values because you're going alienate a lot you're going to alienate a lot of you're going to alienate a lot 0f— _ you're going to alienate a lot ot— inr- you're going to alienate a lot ot— in point. you're going to alienate a lot ot— i-nn qoinq to| you're going to alienate a lot- of_ i'm going to bring of customers. i'm going to bring my duellist into this, nigel, i can see nodding away behind my duellist into this, nigel, i can sel nodding away behind my duellist into this, nigel, i can sel mentionedig away behind my duellist into this, nigel, i can sel mentioned alliway behind my duellist into this, nigel, i can sel mentioned all the behind my duellist into this, nigel, i can sel mentioned all the otherid when i mentioned all the other banks, they have these sets of values. do you find values. yeah. do you find this problematic? i find a problematic? well, what i find a bit problematic? well, what i find a tit-witn— problematic? well, what i find a bit-with respect— problematic? well, what i find a bit-with respect to- ti.7’ well, what i find a bit with respect to richard bit odd with respect to richard is-vvrote — bit odd with respect to richard is-wrote this- bit odd with respect to richard is-wrote this in- bit odd with respect to richard is wrote this in the is that you wrote this in the first— is that you wrote this in the first piase— is that you wrote this in the first piase-i— is that you wrote this in the first place i mean, banks first place that i mean, banks are first place that i mean, banks tor— first place that i mean, banks are for banking— first place that i mean, banks are for banking in and if you vvritinq— are for banking in and if you were writing them about their were writing to them about their banking— banking methods, i would understand— banking methods, i would understand-i- banking methods, i would understand i find equally understand it. i find it equally ott— understand it. i find it equally ott-snouit- understand it. i find it equally odd-should then. understand it. i find it equally odd should then kick odd the banks should then kick you-tesause— odd the banks should then kick you-because of— odd the banks should then kick you because of that. what you out because of that. what i ton-t— you out because of that. what i ton-t qet— you out because of that. what i ton-t get is— you out because of that. what i ton-t qet is on— you out because of that. what i don't get is on the— you out because of that. what i don't get is on the basis you otiestet— don't get is on the basis you otrestet to— don't get is on the basis you objected to their— don't get is on the basis you objected to their transgender poiisies— objected to their transgender poiisies, vvny— objected to their transgender policies, why didn't you simply ieave— policies, why didn't you simply ieave tne— policies, why didn't you simply leave the bank— policies, why didn't you simply leave the bank of— policies, why didn't you simply leave the bank of your own voiition— leave the bank of your own voiition e— leave the bank of your own volition ? send— leave the bank of your own volition ? send a note to the volition? send a note to the anaerq— volition? send a note to the rnanaqe sayinq— volition? send a note to the manager saying why you were toinq— manager saying why you were toinq it.— manager saying why you were doing it. there— manager saying why you were doing it. there may be another of tneir— doing it. there may be another of tneir o— doing it. there may be another of their 3 million— doing it. there may be another of their 3 million customers who teet— of their 3 million customers who teei tne— of their 3 million customers who teei tne sane— of their 3 million customers who feel the same way— of their 3 million customers who feel the same way rather than do it tnat— feel the same way rather than do it tnat way— feel the same way rather than do it that way round.— feel the same way rather than do it that way round. well perhaps naiveiy— it that way round. well perhaps naiveiy-tne— it that way round. well perhaps naively,-the-theyj naively, i thought the fact they kept— naively, i thought the fact they kept asking — naively, i thought the fact they kept asking the— naively, i thought the fact they kept asking the question how are now— kept asking the question how are not are— kept asking the question how are how are we doing? �*ft�*ti; kept asking the question how are how are we doing? �*fviti; how are we doing? we want to near— how are we doing? we want to hear you, our members. if hear from you, our members. if you some feedback on you give them some feedback on a particular as focus on particular area, as in focus on banking, don't it turn into a social engineering organisation? well, connor, they were. they

didn't want to hear about that. so basically they weren't being genuine asking question. genuine in asking this question. connor have, we know that connor we have, we know that peopie— connor we have, we know that peopte iite — connor we have, we know that people like nick— connor we have, we know that people like nick griffin were sanseitet— people like nick griffin were cancelled-banks- people like nick griffin were cancelled banks years cancelled by their banks years ago. —vas- ago. tommy robinson was sanseitet— ago. tommy robinson was cancelled-bank- ago. tommy robinson was cancelled bank years cancelled by his bank years ago, but cancelled by his bank years ago, tut-peopie— cancelled by his bank years ago, tut-peopie-to- cancelled by his bank years ago, but - people _to the l but now people further to the sentre— but now people further to the sentre tite— but now people further to the centre like laurence fox and tnis— centre like laurence fox and tnis teet— centre like laurence fox and this week nigel— centre like laurence fox and this week nigel farage has been sanseitet— this week nigel farage has been sanseitet ty— this week nigel farage has been cancelled by his— this week nigel farage has been cancelled by his bank , but cancelled by his bank, but peopie— cancelled by his bank, but people-further- cancelled by his bank, but people further the people even further to the sentre — people even further to the centre -that - people even further to the centre -that in - people even further to the centre that in the centre than that in the trigonometry - centre than that in the trigonometry guys who pretty trigonometry guys who are pretty nusn— trigonometry guys who are pretty nusn-tats— trigonometry guys who are pretty much-dads have- trigonometry guys who are pretty much dads have been much centrist dads have been sanseitet— much centrist dads have been cancelled-banks. - cancelled by their banks. is tnis— cancelled by their banks. is tnis-ot— cancelled by their banks. is this-of-came. cancelled by their banks. isi this-of-came for cancelled by their banks. is- this-of-came for the this a case of they came for the sosiaiists— this a case of they came for the sosiaiists-i— this a case of they came for the socialists-i-nothing. socialists and i said nothing tesause— socialists and i said nothing becauseiwasn't_ socialists and i said nothing because wasn't socialist. because i wasn't a socialist. i think— because i wasn't a socialist. i think-tnat— because i wasn't a socialist. i think-that your- because i wasn't a socialist. i think that your critique think nigel, that your critique of why you just go of well, why didn't you just go to another bank? perhaps you don't know what's going on, but it's little naive because it's a little naive because pretty every bank, pretty much every bank, including building including yorkshire building society, including barclays, all the ones you've listed, kelvin, are signed up to environmental social it's social governance scores. it's a corporate credit system corporate social credit system whereby certain whereby if you hit certain tenets woke activism, if you tenets on woke activism, if you allow your employees, you pay for their transitions at work, you have a diverse board. if you engagein you have a diverse board. if you engage in climate activism, you get funding from hedge so get funding from hedge funds. so what is they will rate what happens is they will rate their customers their their customers on their compliance as well as

compliance with esg as well as the banks. and so you unfortunately, reverend, were a liability for their score. and so they you out to prevent so they cut you out to prevent them stopping, getting the subsidies . and only subsidies. and this will only get worse. unfortunately, get worse. and unfortunately, nigel, this channel nigel, by being on this channel because that because of the advertisers that have this channel, you have boycotted this channel, you would next line as well. would be next in line as well. how do you feel about that ? how do you feel about that? nigel i hope my bank nigel well, i hope my bank toesn-t— nigel well, i hope my bank doesn't—are. nigel well, i hope my banki doesn't—are you doesn't cancel me. are you genuinely scared about that? no, i'm not. no, no, i think vett— no, i'm not. no, no, i think wen, i— no, i'm not. no, no, i think wen, i rust— no, i'm not. no, no, i think well, i just think- no, i'm not. no, no, i think well, i just think it's uniitety— well, i just think it's unlikely. i- well, i just think it's unlikely. i don't agree with pants— unlikely. i don't agree with banks cancelling people for poiitisai— banks cancelling people for political reasons. i mean , nigel political reasons. i mean, nigel taraqe— political reasons. i mean, nigel farage obviously— political reasons. i mean, nigel farage obviously got to the bottom— farage obviously got to the bottom ot— farage obviously got to the bottom of what— farage obviously got to the bottom of what happened to him , bottom of what happened to him, so i— bottom of what happened to him, so i ton-t— bottom of what happened to him, so i ton-t aqree— bottom of what happened to him, so i don't agree with what the tant— so i don't agree with what the tank tit— so i don't agree with what the tank tit to— so i don't agree with what the bank did to you.— so i don't agree with what the bank did to you. i— so i don't agree with what the bank did to you. i just find it ott— bank did to you. i just find it ott vnat— bank did to you. i just find it ott vnat you— bank did to you. i just find it odd what you did to them if you. if odd what you did to them if you. it you— odd what you did to them if you. it you see— odd what you did to them if you. it you vnat— odd what you did to them if you. if you see what i— odd what you did to them if you. if you see what i mean. “is if you see what i mean. yes. but if if you see what i mean. yes. but it tney— if you see what i mean. yes. but it they ast— if you see what i mean. yes. but it they ask a— if you see what i mean. yes. but if they ask a question, it's perfectly if you ask a question to write back. but they didn't ask a— to write back. but they didn't ask a question— to write back. but they didn't ask a question about- i but they didn't ask a question about about transqenter— ask a question about about transgender rights, did they? but transgender rights, did they? nut to— transgender rights, did they? nut to you— transgender rights, did they? but do you see— transgender rights, did they? but do you see-least- but do you see at least the scale nigel, in that scale of this, nigel, in that nigel farage has been to seven banks and open a new banks to try and open a new account and no one have account and no one will have him. laurence fox has been

trying an account for trying to open an account for his if not his for party months, if not years this point, and no one years at this point, and no one will have him. and we are cut out of civil society just because banks have suddenly found based found political opinions based on scoring that conor on the esg scoring that conor just if don't just discussed. and if we don't subscribe we are no subscribe to that, we are no longer of society. your longer members of society. your question was similar to question was very similar to what said when she what kay burley said when she said, don't you just if said, why don't you just if nigel been turned nigel farage has been turned down by seven banks, does that not something about not tell you something about your your politics? your thinking and your politics? the we should the idea being that we should change and change change our thinking and change our fall in line? our politics to fall in line? well, that's my point. that tantinq— well, that's my point. that panting-te- well, that's my point. that banking be about banking shouldn't be about poiitiss— banking shouldn't be about politics._about| politics. it should be about iootinq— politics. it should be about looking-money.l politics. it should be about. looking-money. and looking after your money. and the looking after your money. and tne-reason— looking after your money. and the-reason that- looking after your money. and the-reason that a- looking after your money. and the reason that a bank the only reason that a bank snouit— the only reason that a bank should someone's account should cancel someone's account is—sonetninql is because there's something, some financial impropriety or suspestet— some financial impropriety or. suspestet—on suspected impropriety going on, susn— suspected impropriety going on, such-laundering- suspected impropriety going on, such laundering or such as money laundering or vvnatever— such as money laundering or whatever-idea— such as money laundering or whatever-idea-do. such as money laundering or whatever idea do it on whatever the idea they do it on poiitisai— whatever the idea they do it on political opinion— whatever the idea they do it on political opinion quite political opinion is quite siearty— political opinion is quitei clearly,_wrong political opinion is quite. clearly,_wrong . clearly, absolutely wrong. teverent— clearly, absolutely wrong. reverend richard,- clearly, absolutely wrong. reverend richard, do- clearly, absolutely wrong. reverend richard, do you think there's bigger going there's something bigger going on here? we know about esg on here? we know about the esg scoring. we know about the corporatism. is there corporatism. but is there something darker going on here? well, the agenda, there is well, i on the agenda, there is for well, i on the agenda, there is tor sure— well, i on the agenda, there is tor p..— well, i on the agenda, there is for sure for, i— well, i on the agenda, there is for sure for, i suppose, banking ant— for sure for, i suppose, banking ant-squeeze- for sure for, i suppose, banking and-squeeze out- for sure for, i suppose, banking and squeeze out people and trying to squeeze out people

uno— and trying to squeeze out people vno-tne— and trying to squeeze out people vvno-tne un— and trying to squeeze out people who-the bill. yes,- who don't fit the bill. yes, sertainiy.— who don't fit the bill. yes, certainly. obviously, certainly. i mean, obviously, stonevaii— certainly. i mean, obviously,| stonewall—of stonewall have done a lot of toppyinq— stonewall have done a lot of tottyinq to— stonewall have done a lot of lobbying to - sure - stonewall have done a lot of lobbying to sure that as lobbying to make sure that as many— lobbying to make sure that as many corporations and companies as-toe— many corporations and companies as-toe-tine- many corporations and companies as-toe-iine on- as possible toe the line on tneir— as possible toe the line on their-position- as possible toe the line on their position and as possible toe the line on- their-position and we're their ethical position and we're seeing— their ethical position and we're seeing tne— their ethical position and we're seeing the bad— their ethical position and we're seeing the bad fruit of that now of tnis— seeing the bad fruit of that now of this intolerance— seeing the bad fruit of that now of this intolerance that's tnere— of this intolerance that's tnere. ant— of this intolerance that's there. and so,- of this intolerance that's there. and so, yes, there is sonetninq— there. and so, yes, there is something more- there. and so, yes, there is something more behind all of tnis.— something more behind all of tnis. inere-s— something more behind all of this. there's a— something more behind all of this. there's a cultural shift tnat-s— this. there's a cultural shift tnat-s qoinq— this. there's a cultural shift that's going on.— this. there's a cultural shift that's going on. and actually, i tnint— that's going on. and actually, i tnint i— that's going on. and actually, i think i think— that's going on. and actually, i think i think a— that's going on. and actually, i think i think a lot— that's going on. and actually, i think i think a lot of us are qettinq— think i think a lot of us are qettinq io— think i think a lot of us are getting to-point- think i think a lot of us are getting to point where we're getting to the point where we're going— getting to the point where we're ganglan— getting to the point where we're qoinq-say, no— getting to the point where we're going say, no, enough going to say, no, enough of tnat.— going to say, no, enough of tnat. its— going to say, no, enough of that. it's not— going to say, no, enough of that. it's not for— going to say, no, enough of that. it's not for you in these tusiness— that. it's not for you in these business organisations to astuatiy— business organisations to - astuatiy—ant business organisations to - actually—and tell actually impose upon us and tell us tnat— actually impose upon us and tell us vnat ve— actually impose upon us and tell us what we should— actually impose upon us and tell us what we should be thinking ant— us what we should be thinking ant rang,— us what we should be thinking and doing, what— us what we should be thinking and doing, what our worldview view— and doing, what our worldview view-ts. — and doing, what our worldview view-ts. tou- and doing, what our worldview view be. you know, the view should be. you know, the ott— view should be. you know, the oit-qo— view should be. you know, the oit-qo vote,- view should be. you know, the oit-qo vote, to- view should be. you know, the old go woke, go broke is old phrase go woke, go broke is reaiiy— old phrase go woke, go broke is reatty nappeninq— old phrase go woke, go broke is really happening in america , really happening in america, isn-t— really happening in america, isnt it— really happening in america, isn't it? look— really happening in america, isn't it? look at— really happening in america, isn't it? look at look at bud iiqnt— isn't it? look at look at bud tiqnt ant— isn't it? look at look at bud light and things, know? and light and things, you know? and tnat-s— light and things, you know? and that's-trouble— light and things, you know? and that's trouble people are that's the trouble people are tet— that's the trouble people are tetlot— that's the trouble people are fed .of actually- that's the trouble people are fed of actually being fed up of actually being bombarded— fed up of actually being- bombarded-moralising bombarded with this moralising tron— bombarded with this moralising tron-tean— bombarded with this moralising tron-tean — bombarded with this moralising from _yeah no - bombarded with this moralising from _yeah no more. bombarded with this moralising- from _yeah no more bullying from them. yeah no more bullying from them. yeah no more bullying from thank you very from the banks. thank you very much. the reverend much. that was the reverend richard fothergill. thank you for let's see for your time today. let's see what my duellists make of this. we've gone that part we've gone past that part already. you. anyway that already. thank you. anyway that was tomlinson, host was connor tomlinson, the host of eaters podcast, and of lotus eaters podcast, and nigel , senior political

nigel nelson, senior political commentator here gb news. plenty more to come this evening on my common sense crusade. next, we'll be joined by ben dubofsky , teacher who was , a christian teacher who was sacked giving his views on sacked for giving his views on marriage after being what marriage after being asked what they it's ridiculous. they were. it's ridiculous. we'll plus, stick we'll see him soon. plus, stick around for levant from around for ezra levant from rebel news. worrying takes on freedom of speech. all around the world, especially in australia . more on that very, australia. more on that very, very soon. see you after this

tv, radio and online gb news. nritain-s— tv, radio and online gb news. britain's news— tv, radio and online gb news. britain's news .— tv, radio and online gb news. britain's news. channel tv, radio and online gb news. britain's news . channel i britain's news. channel welcome tast— britain's news. channel welcome toast to— britain's news. channel welcome past to tie— britain's news. channel welcome back to the common sense crusade . with me, the reverend calvin robinson on your tv online and on your wireless. now, a christian teacher who was asked to give his views on marriage at a training course was subsequently sacked for so—called hate speech. ben dubofsky was a teacher at the bishop llandaff church in wales school and was promoted prompted rather, to share his views dunng rather, to share his views during a diversity and inclusion

seminar. however despite being told it was a safe space and that he should feel free to speak freely, he was told the next morning that he was being dismissed . well, ben dubofsky dismissed. well, ben dubofsky joins me to discuss this now. ben, you were part of a depher training group. i mean, they shouldn't be in schools in the first place. but while you were in this training session, you were asked the question of what your were marriage. i your views were on marriage. i mean, generally the seminar this this mean, generally the seminar this tnis-about— mean, generally the seminar this this-about diversity- this talk was about diversity ant—so- this talk was about diversityi ant—so tnere and inclusion, right? so there tots— and inclusion, right? so there tots ot— and inclusion, right? so there were lots of issues that been tnat— were lots of issues that been tnat ere— were lots of issues that been that were discussed during that meeting.— that were discussed during that meeting. ant— that were discussed during that meeting. and there was a question— meeting. and there was a question and— meeting. and there was a question and answer session at the question and answer session at tne ent— question and answer session at tne ent .— question and answer session at tne ent . ant— question and answer session at the end . and there were a few the end. and there were a few tninqs— the end. and there were a few tninqs tnat— the end. and there were a few things that prompted me to ask tnat— things that prompted me to ask tnat question. — things that prompted me to ask that question. and i just you tnou— that question. and i just you know, it— that question. and i just you know, it was— that question. and i just you know, it was a— that question. and i just you know, it was a genuine question, but know, it was a genuine question, tut i— know, it was a genuine question, but i illustrated— know, it was a genuine question, but i illustrated it— know, it was a genuine question, but i illustrated it with my views— but i illustrated it with my views , which— but i illustrated it with my views , which was the beginning views, which was the beginning of views, which was the beginning ot ny— views, which was the beginning of my ent— views, which was the beginning oi rny ent at— views, which was the beginning of my end at the— views, which was the beginning of my end at the school. �*ftt�*fiite of my end at the school. what your— of my end at the school. what your view— of my end at the school. what was your view ? my- of my end at the school. �*ftt�*fiite i . 7' my question was was your view? my question was now— was your view? my question was not toes— was your view? my question was not toes tne— was your view? my question was how does the speaker— i . 7 my question was how does the speaker define sorry— how does the speaker define sorry .— how does the speaker define sorry , aw,— how does the speaker define sorry , sorry, discrimination? sorry, sorry, discrimination? nesause— sorry, sorry, discrimination? nesause it— sorry, sorry, discrimination? because it seemed to me that a expressing— because it seemed to me that a mere expressing of— because it seemed to me that a mere expressing of one's views

souit— mere expressing of one's views souit te— mere expressing of one's views could be interpreted as discrimination according to what she discrimination according to what sis was— discrimination according to what sne sayinq— discrimination according to what sne sayinq .— discrimination according to what she was saying . so i that was she was saying. so i that was tne— she was saying. so i that was tne question— she was saying. so i that was tne question .— she was saying. so i that was the question . i— she was saying. so i that was the question . i said, for the question. i said, for exanpie— the question. i said, for example, would some of my views be example, would some of my views te soutt— example, would some of my views te souit te— example, would some of my views be could be viewed,— example, would some of my views be could be viewed, could be reqartet— be could be viewed, could be reqartet as— be could be viewed, could be regarded as discrimination? i nentionet— regarded as discrimination? i mentioned three— regarded as discrimination? i mentioned three things that that i mentioned three things that that i teiieve— mentioned three things that that i teiieve a— mentioned three things that that i believe a true— mentioned three things that that i believe a true marriage is between— i believe a true marriage is between a— i believe a true marriage is between a man— i believe a true marriage is between a man and a woman. yes. inat— between a man and a woman. yes. that tnat-s— between a man and a woman. yes. that that's what— between a man and a woman. yes. that that's what marriage- between a man and a woman. yes. that that's what marriage is- between a man and a woman. yes. that that's what marriage is . - that that's what marriage is. yes. yes. by the way , as you yes. yes. by the way, as you sait— yes. yes. by the way, as you an, its— yes. yes. by the way, as you an, is an— yes. yes. by the way, as you said, it's an anglican school, snristian— said, it's an anglican school, christian school,— said, it's an anglican school, christian school, nominally at teasi— christian school, nominally at ieast. so— christian school, nominally at ieast. so you— christian school, nominally at least. so you know, it shouldn't be surprising— least. so you know, it shouldn't be surprising an— least. so you know, it shouldn't be surprising an opinion like tnat— be surprising an opinion like tnat to— be surprising an opinion like tnat to te— be surprising an opinion like that to be expressed there. the sesont— that to be expressed there. the sesont tninq— that to be expressed there. the second thing was— that to be expressed there. the second thing was that human life begins— second thing was that human life begins at— second thing was that human life begins at conception and should begins at conception and should be protestet— begins at conception and should be protected from _ begins at conception and should be protected from that moment. in be protected from that moment. in my— be protected from that moment. in my opinion— be protected from that moment. in my opinion .— be protected from that moment. in my opinion , because i was in my opinion, because i was taitinq— in my opinion, because i was talking about— in my opinion, because i was talking about my— in my opinion, because i was talking about my beliefs. yes ant— talking about my beliefs. yes ant tne— talking about my beliefs. yes and the third— talking about my beliefs. yes and the third one was, i mean , and the third one was, i mean, it was— and the third one was, i mean, it a— and the third one was, i mean, it a no— and the third one was, i mean, it was a no brainer._ and the third one was, i mean, it was a no brainer. actually, not— it was a no brainer. actually, not even— it was a no brainer. actually, not even necessarily to do with errraranny, — not even necessarily to do with christianity, that _ not even necessarily to do with christianity, that i— not even necessarily to do with christianity, that i am critical of christianity, that i am critical oi-aspests— christianity, that i am critical of-aspectsllslam.. of some aspects of islam. okay. so of some aspects of islam. okay. so att— of some aspects of islam. okay. so at tires— of some aspects of islam. okay. so all three of— of some aspects of islam. okay. so all three of those— of some aspects of islam. okay. so all three of those views- of some aspects of islam. okay. so all three of those views are christian views and have always been pretty mainstream. yeah. i mean, are even been pretty mainstream. yeah. i mean,-are even generally. mean, they are even generally rnansrearnt— mean, they are even generally mainstream,-say,. mean, they are even generally- mainstream,-say, among mainstream, you could say, among brits.— mainstream, you could say, among trits. so— mainstream, you could say, among nrits. so anyway— mainstream, you could say, among nrits. so anyway .— mainstream, you could say, among brits. so anyway , i— mainstream, you could say, among brits. so anyway , i got an

brits. so anyway, i got an interesting— brits. so anyway, i got an interesting answer that holding tnose— interesting answer that holding tnose vievvs— interesting answer that holding those views is— interesting answer that holding those views is perfectly fine, tut— those views is perfectly fine, but expressing— those views is perfectly fine, but expressing them might be a protten— but expressing them might be a protten, niqnt— but expressing them might be a problem, might be discrimination. so basically i tott— discrimination. so basically i toit to— discrimination. so basically i was told to go— discrimination. so basically i was told to go underground. you tnou— was told to go underground. you know, you— was told to go underground. you tnovv, you san— was told to go underground. you know, you can hold— was told to go underground. you know, you can hold them, but rust— know, you can hold them, but rust-vas— know, you can hold them, but rust-vas-vvayl just which was, by the way, repeatet— just which was, by the way, repeatet ty— just which was, by the way, repeated by headmaster the repeated by the headmaster the next— repeated by the headmaster the next-ne— repeated by the headmaster the next-ne vas- repeated by the headmaster the next he was kicking me next day when he was kicking me out oi— next day when he was kicking me out oi tne— next day when he was kicking me out of the school— next day when he was kicking me out of the school and i understand— out of the school and i understand that he actually snaret— understand that he actually. snaret—in understand that he actually- snaret—in shared some of your views in our conversation. the— shared some of your views in our conversation. the next day, tesause— conversation. the next day, teause-as- conversation. the next day, because .was the - conversation. the next day, because was the last item because that was the last item turinq—tay- during that training day afternoon— during that training day- afternoon-period, the afternoon so second period, the next— afternoon so second period, the next tay— afternoon so second period, the next tay. so— afternoon so second period, the next day. so kind— afternoon so second period, the next day. so kind of nearly immediately— next day. so kind of nearly immediately afterwards, he satiet— immediately afterwards, he saitet ne— immediately afterwards, he called me to— immediately afterwards, he called me to his office and he sait— called me to his office and he an, nen— called me to his office and he said, ben, what— called me to his office and he said, ben, what you said yestertay— said, ben, what you said yesterday offended some people . yesterday offended some people. some— yesterday offended some people. some peopie— yesterday offended some people. some people apparently emailed him some people apparently emailed nin ant— some people apparently emailed nin ant sait— some people apparently emailed him and said they— some people apparently emailed him and said they are afraid to start— him and said they are afraid to stan a— him and said they are afraid to start a conversation with me. ant— start a conversation with me. ant vre— start a conversation with me. ant we are— start a conversation with me. and we are talking about teasners— and we are talking about teachers, not— and we are talking about teachers, not pupils. you know , teachers, not pupils. you know, ant— teachers, not pupils. you know, ant apparentiy— teachers, not pupils. you know, and apparently he— teachers, not pupils. you know, and apparently he admitted he tissusset— and apparently he admitted he discussed with— and apparently he admitted he discussed with his deputy sastinq— discussed with his deputy sastinq ne— discussed with his deputy sacking me there. and then right aiter— sacking me there. and then right aiter tnat— sacking me there. and then right after that meeting— sacking me there. and then right after that meeting or at least qettinq— after that meeting or at least qettinq rit— after that meeting or at least qettinq rit oi— after that meeting or at least getting rid of me, deciding to getting rid of me, deciding to get rit— getting rid of me, deciding to qet rit oi— getting rid of me, deciding to qet rit oi ne— getting rid of me, deciding to get rid of me, then they must nave— get rid of me, then they must have remembered it was a safe spase— have remembered it was a safe spase-toes— have remembered it was a safe space. _does that- have remembered it was a safe space. does that mean? so space. what does that mean? so vvnen— space. what does that mean? so vvnenrnean— ne- space. what does that mean? sol when—mean, he must when he realised i mean, he must nave— when he realised i mean, he must nave-eitner— when he realised i mean, he must nave-eitner i— when he realised i mean, he must have either i offended have thought either i offended his have thought either i offended its views—

have thought either i offended his views-well— have thought either i offended his views-well or- have thought either i offended his views well or his idea his views as well or his idea about— his views as well or his idea about-a— his views as well or his idea about-a teacher- his views as well or his idea about a teacher or teacher about what a teacher or teacher assistant.— about what a teacher or teacher assistant. i— about what a teacher or teacher assistant. i worked— about what a teacher or teacher assistant. i worked as assistant. i worked there as a teasner— assistant. i worked there as a teacher, assistant— assistant. i worked there as a teacher, assistant can't believe in or— teacher, assistant can't believe in or ne— teacher, assistant can't believe in or its vas— teacher, assistant can't believe in or he was afraid— teacher, assistant can't believe in or he was afraid of the woke triqate. — in or he was afraid of the woke triqate. i— in or he was afraid of the woke brigade. i think— in or he was afraid of the woke brigade. i think it— in or he was afraid of the woke brigade. i think it was both. i tnint— brigade. i think it was both. i tnint ne. — brigade. i think it was both. i think he. i'll— brigade. i think it was both. i think he. i'll come- brigade. i think it was both. i think he. ll i i think he. i'll come back to you, but i want to bring my dualist in on this because, nigel, it seems to me that people misunderstood what the word discrimination means. i've just looked the dictionary looked up the dictionary definition. it's unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories people, different categories of people, right? it's not holding differences not differences of opinion. it's not disagreeing. acting on that disagreeing. it's acting on that disagreement. that's disagreement. right. that's what discrimination is. and both in ben's in in reverend ben's case and in in reverend richard's case, it seems to be that there's a confusion there about that means. yeah, the about what that means. yeah, the only really about what that means. yeah, the oniy-reaiiy nere- about what that means. yeah, the only-really here is- only question really here is tnat— only question really here is tnat tnat— only question really here is that what your— only question really here is that what your headmaster said, iiart— that what your headmaster said, tiart naiiey— that what your headmaster said, tiart naiiey .— that what your headmaster said, mark bailey , was— that what your headmaster said, mark bailey , was that mark bailey, was that you astuatiy— mark bailey, was that you actually dismissed for refusing to-vitn— actually dismissed for refusing to-vvitn tne — actually dismissed for refusing to _with the law - actually dismissed for refusing to with the law and to comply with the law and ssnooi— to comply with the law and school policies— to comply with the law and school policies .— to comply with the law and school policies . is the school policies. is the suggestion— school policies. is the suggestion there, which is the question— suggestion there, which is the question i— suggestion there, which is the question i would— suggestion there, which is the question i would like to ask you is vouit— question i would like to ask you is vouit you— question i would like to ask you is would you teach— question i would like to ask you is would you teach children in tnat— is would you teach children in that marriage— is would you teach children in that marriage can— is would you teach children in that marriage can only be between— that marriage can only be between a— that marriage can only be between a man- that marriage can only be between a man and a woman? tirst— between a man and a woman? tirst oi— between a man and a woman? tirst at at— between a man and a woman? tirst at at. it— between a man and a woman? first of all, it wasn't— between a man and a woman? first of all, it wasn't my- between a man and a woman? first of all, it wasn't my job. i'll just add one more detail. when he when he told me, bannau

you offended some people. i don't want you to express those views at the school. i said, fine. then i said, fine. that's not job. i mean, not not my job. i mean, not a teacher. i was a teacher, assistant. it wasn't part of my brief. i hadn't been doing this. i may have mentioned my views were during lessons. were relevant during lessons. yes. fine. i said, yes. so i said, fine. i said, it's a bit surprising that in a christian i'm i'm banned christian school i'm i'm banned from mentioning basic christian views, but it's fine. but i added they are still my views and i'm likely to use them express them in my private life. for example, i'm involved in a in a couple of pro—life campaigns and this is where the problem started. so formally, he didn't sack me for for the what i said during that meeting in a safe space, although he was tempted , he admitted. for my tempted, he admitted. but for my refusal, not to commit a potential crime , you know, in potential crime, you know, in the future, a crime , you know, the future, a crime, you know, against against the political correctness. so it's not just nate— correctness. so it's not just nate sinne— correctness. so it's not just hate crime, it's— ii so it's not just hate crime, it's future crime tnat— hate crime, it's future crime tnat — hate crime, it's future crime that we're. yeah,— hate crime, it's future crime that we're. yeah, there was no iasts. — that we're. yeah, there was no facts. connor— that we're. yeah, there was no facts. connor should it be the tnat— facts. connor should it be the case that schools— facts. connor should it be the

case that schools say, look, nee,— case that schools say, look, nere, nere— case that schools say, look, here, here is— case that schools say, look, here, here is one- case that schools say, look, here, here is one set of views isoton— here, here is one set of views lgbtq+ ideology,— here, here is one set of views lgbtq+ ideology, whatever. neres— lgbtq+ ideology, whatever. here's another— lgbtq+ ideology, whatever. here's another set of views snristian— here's another set of views christian values— here's another set of views christian values make your minds up. or— christian values make your minds up. or snouit— christian values make your minds up. or snouit it— christian values make your minds up. or should it be— christian values make your minds up. or should it be a case that toin— up. or should it be a case that totn oi— up. or should it be a case that both of those— up. or should it be a case that both of those views should be eovet— both of those views should be removed from _ both of those views should be removed from schools and or a ssnooi— removed from schools and or a school should— removed from schools and or a school should subscribe to one set ant— school should subscribe to one set ant mate— school should subscribe to one set and make it— school should subscribe to one set and make it clear think set and make it clear i think tne— set and make it clear i think tne-snouit— set and make it clear i think- the-should-subscribe the school should only subscribe to-atsotutety.- to one set. absolutely. particularly because the other doctrine lmnop , the ever doctrine lgbtq+ lmnop, the ever expanding acronym, is fundamentally untrue because men cannot become women thought cannot become women by thought and i wanted to pick and vice versa. i wanted to pick up on very specific point up on one very specific point because a very because you're a very well—meaning think because you're a very wellthezaning think because you're a very wellthe reason think because you're a very wellthe reason you're think that the reason you're expressing confusion to expressing confusion as to why you would well, how could you would say, well, how could this be discrimination if i'm just it out loud, if it's just saying it out loud, if it's a privately held view, these people inquisition people are the inquisition for a new utopia no one is new utopia where no one is offended. so means that offended. and so that means that by verbalising by you even verbalising judgement about something drawing, or drawing, drawing a boundary or distinction are distinction, you are discriminating their discriminating because in their heads limiting their heads it's limiting their freedom, their suddenly becoming heads it's limiting their freedoof their suddenly becoming heads it's limiting their freedoof anzir suddenly becoming heads it's limiting their freedoof an alternateily becoming heads it's limiting their freedoof an alternate mode oming heads it's limiting their freedoof an alternate mode of ing aware of an alternate mode of living means that you're oppressing stopping oppressing them, you're stopping them true them from being their true selves. they feel totally selves. and so they feel totally vindicated to remove from vindicated to remove you from any institution or polite

society because they're society just because they're offended, because you're stopping being they stopping them being who they really sure but, you really are inside. sure but, you know, tnere-s— really are inside. sure but, you know, there's so— really are inside. sure but, you know, there's so much- ”tiring vititi; t:ti; iti; but, you know, there's so much irony and atsurtity— know, there's so much irony and absurdity-this— know, there's so much irony and absurdity-this .— know, there's so much irony and absurdity-this . let- know, there's so much irony and absurdity this . let me absurdity in all this. let me snare— absurdity in all this. let me snare witn— absurdity in all this. let me share with you— absurdity in all this. let me share with you one insight that i share with you one insight that i nat— share with you one insight that i nat vvnen— share with you one insight that i nat vvnen i— share with you one insight that i had when i was— share with you one insight that i had when i was being escorted out oi— i had when i was being escorted out oi tne— i had when i was being escorted out of the school— i had when i was being escorted out of the school by the headmaster— out of the school by the headmaster there. it struck me tnis— headmaster there. it struck me tits is— headmaster there. it struck me tnis is-nost— headmaster there. it struck me this is most orwellian this is the most orwellian situation— this is the most orwellianj situation—in this is the most orwellian- situation_in my situation i've ever been in my iiie. — situation i've ever been in my tie-i— situation i've ever been in my life.-i remember- situation i've ever been in my life. i remember the last life. and i remember the last ten— life. and i remember the last ten years— life. and i remember the last ten years communism in poland ten years of communism in poland witn— ten years of communism in poland viii—tnere— ten years of communism in poland vitn—vnere you- ten years of communism in poland with _where you had - ten years of communism in poland with where you had to with censorship where you had to do with censorship where you had to to—tou— with censorship where you had to to—tou nat- with censorship where you had to to—tou nat to- do similar things. you had to pretent— do similar things. you had to pretent ant,— do similar things. you had to pretend and, you— do similar things. you had to pretend and, you know, formally tnat— pretend and, you know, formally tnat you— pretend and, you know, formally tnat you aqree— pretend and, you know, formally that you agree with something. ant— that you agree with something. ant inen— that you agree with something. and then privately you would iauqn— and then privately you would iauqn, iauqn— and then privately you would tauqn, tauqn it— and then privately you would laugh, laugh it off. so it strust— laugh, laugh it off. so it strust ne— laugh, laugh it off. so it struck me, you know, once i rernernert in— struck me, you know, once i remember in poland when i was in niqn— remember in poland when i was in niqn ssnooi— remember in poland when i was in niqn ssnooi, i— remember in poland when i was in high school, i organised an event— high school, i organised an event ant— high school, i organised an event ant i— high school, i organised an event and i smuggled a few comments about the soviet union tenounsinq— comments about the soviet union tenounsinq tne— comments about the soviet union denouncing the soviet union, and i denouncing the soviet union, and i neariy— denouncing the soviet union, and i neariy vas— denouncing the soviet union, and i nearly was kicked— denouncing the soviet union, and i nearly was kicked out of the ssnooi— i nearly was kicked out of the school nearly.— i nearly was kicked out of the school nearly. and i thought vvnen— school nearly. and i thought vvnen i— school nearly. and i thought vvnen i was— school nearly. and i thought when i was waiting outside the tuiitinq— when i was waiting outside the tuiitinq ior— when i was waiting outside the tuittinq ior ny— when i was waiting outside the building for my stuff to be ietsnet. — building for my stuff to be fetched. and— building for my stuff to be fetched. and here we are in an aiteqetiy— fetched. and here we are in an aiteqetiy iree— fetched. and here we are in an allegedly free country in a noninatiy— allegedly free country in a nominally christian school . nominally christian school. war,— nominally christian school. war, aiter— nominally christian school. well, after a— nominally christian school. well, after a meeting about a tiverse— well, after a meeting about a tiverse sity— well, after a meeting about a diverse city and— well, after a meeting about a diverse city and inclusion turinq— diverse city and inclusion during which—

diverse city and inclusion during which i- diverse city and inclusion during which i expressed three oasis— during which i expressed three basic mainstream views , basic mainstream views, tasisaiiy— basic mainstream views, basically not— basic mainstream views, basically not even christian and i'm basically not even christian and in being— basically not even christian and i'm being kicked— basically not even christian and i'm being kicked out of the ssnooi— i'm being kicked out of the ssnooi . — i'm being kicked out of the school . but— i'm being kicked out of the school . but the- i'm being kicked out of the school . : i'm being kicked out of the school. : i school. but the head teacher says it's a safeguarding issue for the children. yes, exactly. and for the children. yes, exactly. ant pius— for the children. yes, exactly. ant pius, tney— for the children. yes, exactly. and plus, they said- i t: itif yes, exactly. and plus, they said that because i and plus, they said that because i-snristian— and plus, they said that because i-christian views,- and plus, they said that because i christian views, i'm not i hold christian views, i'm not saie— i hold christian views, i'm not saie to— i hold christian views, i'm not saie to vort— i hold christian views, i'm not safe to work with— i hold christian views, i'm not safe to work with kids. you tnovv— safe to work with kids. you tnovvlvvas— safe to work with kids. you know, iwas _there safe to work with kids. you- know,iwas-there and know, i was standing there and i tnouqnt— know, i was standing there and i tnouqnt-upset.— know, i was standing there and i tnouqnt-upset. i- know, i was standing there and i thought upset. i was thought i was upset. i was reatty— thought i was upset. i was reatty upset.— thought i was upset. i was really upset-i- thought i was upset. i was really upset. i also thought really upset. but i also thought tnis— really upset. but i also thought tits is— really upset. but i also thought tits is a— really upset. but i also thought this is a classic— really upset. but i also thought this is a classic you know, this is_wil— this is a classic you know, this rs_rren, a— this is a classic you know, this is well, a christian is a classic. well, a christian erveii— is a classic. well, a christian orveii in— is a classic. well, a christian orwell in britain.— is a classic. well, a christian orwell in britain. i couldn't nave— orwell in britain. i couldn't nave mate— orwell in britain. i couldn't have made it— orwell in britain. i couldn't have made it up- orwell in britain. i couldn't have made it up in communist toiant. — have made it up in communist toiant. unet— have made it up in communist poland. nigel, it— have made it up in communist poland. \t gill e poland. nigel, it seems that disagreement is classed as hate and classed as and words are classed as violence. is this the problem? have we first principles? have we lost first principles? have we lost first principles? have of. i'm have we lost the idea of. i'm sorry, just just based- have we lost the idea of. i'm sorry, just just based on- sorry, just just based on the story— sorry, just just based on the story tnat— sorry, just just based on the story that we've— sorry, just just based on the story that we've just heard, i stit— story that we've just heard, i stiii ton-t— story that we've just heard, i still don't quite— story that we've just heard, i still don't quite get the your your— still don't quite get the your your dismissed— still don't quite get the your your dismissed because in the event— your dismissed because in the event-it— your dismissed because in the event-it vas— your dismissed because in the event-it was-over. event that it was purely over tne— event that it was purely over its views— event that it was purely over its you — event that it was purely over the views you expressed earlier privateiy— the views you expressed earlier privateiy-iron — the views you expressed earlier privately _from the - privately away from the sniitren— privately away from the children, then you certainly nave— children, then you certainly nave a— children, then you certainly have a case for— children, then you certainly have a case for an unfair tisnissai— have a case for an unfair tisnissai .— have a case for an unfair dismissal . absolutely. if on the dismissal. absolutely. if on the otner— dismissal. absolutely. if on the otner nant,— dismissal. absolutely. if on the other hand, we— dismissal. absolutely. if on the other hand, we are going you were were intending teach were you were intending to teach sniitren— were you were intending to teach sniitren tnat— were you were intending to teach children that marriage is just tetveen— children that marriage is just between a— children that marriage is just between a man— children that marriage is just between a man and a woman . it is between a man and a woman. it is inen— between a man and a woman. it is ten i— between a man and a woman. it is then i understand— between a man and a woman. it is

then i understand the dismissal . sure. — then i understand the dismissal . sure. nut— then i understand the dismissal . sure. but still,— then i understand the dismissal . sure. but still, you- . sure. but still, you shouldn't. let's break that town— shouldn't. let's break that down, because _ : " e let's break that down, because even if that was the down, because even if that was its sase— down, because even if that was its in— down, because even if that was its in a— down, because even if that was the case in a christian school, you— the case in a christian school, you-teasn— the case in a christian school, you teach christian doctrine you can teach christian doctrine ant— you can teach christian doctrine ant tnat— you can teach christian doctrine ant tnat is— you can teach christian doctrine and that is the— you can teach christian doctrine and that is the marriage is between— and that is the marriage is between one— and that is the marriage is between one man and one woman. yea— between one man and one woman. ve.a-s— between one man and one woman. vet-as tar— between one man and one woman. top. -as iar ast— between one man and one woman. yes, _as far act because- yes, but not as far act because it no, but but it's not it is. no, but. but but it's not a fact. it christian a fact. it is christian doctrine. you can teach that tnere— doctrine. you can teach that tnere are— titittili you can teach that there are alternative views tititti.s you can teach that there are alternative views and tiiierent— there are alternative views and different different different people have different opinions. — different people have different opinions. _legal- different people have different. opinions. _legal position opinions. no, the legal position in this country is that marriage is not just between a man and a woman, but in a christian church. is. can i add a fun church. it is. can i add a fun iaste— church. it is. can i add a fun iaste-a— church. it is. can i add a fun iasti-a teqai— church. it is. can i add a fun fact?-a legal school.- i ”if." e can i add a fun fact? a legal school. it is fact? it's a legal school. it is asnristian— fact? it's a legal school. it is a christian church. it doesn't matter. — a christian church. it doesn't matter. - have _ a christian church. it doesn't matter. have children from a christian church. it doesn't mattefaiths have children from a christian church. it doesn't mattefaiths there, :hildren from a christian church. it doesn't mattefaiths there, or dren from a christian church. it doesn't mattefaiths there, or you from a christian church. it doesn't mattefaiths there, or you cann other faiths there, or you can teasn—vvno - other faiths there, or you can teach _who have teach other people who have -nave- teach other people who have views. have children views. you may have children witn— views. you may have children vvitn-otay,— views. you may have children with okay, talking with with. okay, we're talking over each other— with with. okay, we're talking over each other now. okay fun iast. — over each other now. okay fun iast. inis— over each other now. okay fun iast. tits is— over each other now. okay fun fact. this is the— over each other now. okay fun fact. this is the name- over each other now. okay fun fact. " fact. this is the name of the school the bishop of school is the bishop of llandaff, i love the llandaff, by the way. i love the kids. got on well most kids. i got on well with most pupils. i thought the staff were amazing. amazing teachers. it's just was just this wokeism that was really so much. and even really ruining so much. and even pupils kind of send signals sometimes to teachers or teaching assistants or some of them said openly, sir, we've had enough of this. this is a joke

about some issues. but anyway, the bishop of llandaff is a bishop at the moment, a woman . bishop at the moment, a woman. there's a website that she's got a website or the diocese has a website. don't promote her websites. okay no, but i was there and they they say and they do the same. they say the same as i said, marriage a gift as i said, marriage is a gift from god between a man and a woman. so, you know, this is the schools and that's moral schools and that's the moral supervision the school is an supervision for the school is an anglican school. if you don't like it, another school like it, go to another school mark steyn so give people a choice. yes please. which camera, please? this okay. camera, please? this one. okay. please to ben dembowski. just please go to ben dembowski. just as could see on on the as you could see on the on the strap straps, strip below the sky. pwc com. i'm launching a fundraising for or to pay for the legal fees for the legal case with with the lawyer that offered support . but paul offered support. but paul diamond, we are going to go big way after the school and after this wokeism that surrounds the school in some institutions. also we are planning a big campaign to stop discrimination against christians in this

country . i think it's country. i think it's ridiculous. it's gotten to a stage where it's a joke. we just i can't take any more of this. thank you. thank you. that was ten— thank you. thank you. that was ten outovsty.— thank you. thank you. that was ben dubovsky. thank— thank you. that was ben dubovsky. thank you very nusn. — ben dubovsky. thank you very nusn. tou— ben dubovsky. thank you very much. you have— ben dubovsky. thank you very much. you have my full support. i'm much. you have my full support. in airait— much. you have my full support. in airait i— much. you have my full support. i'm afraid i don't— much. you have my full support. i'm afraid i don't have time to reat— i'm afraid i don't have time to eat your— i'm afraid i don't have time to read your comments, but i really vvantet— read your comments, but i really vantet to— read your comments, but i really vantet to tet— read your comments, but i really wanted to let ben— read your comments, but i really wanted to let ben get that sanpaiqn— wanted to let ben get that sanpaiqn out— wanted to let ben get that campaign out there so you can support— campaign out there so you can support-ii— campaign out there so you can support-if-like. - campaign out there so you can support if like. and support him if you'd like. and i'd support him if you'd like. and i-t-to— support him if you'd like. and i-t-to tnant— support him if you'd like. and i'd-to thank my- support him if you'd like. and i'd to thank my duellists i'd like to thank my duellists totay— i'd like to thank my duellists today. tomlinson, host of today. conor tomlinson, host of the today. conor tomlinson, host of tne—tooti the lotus eaters podcast. look tnat— the lotus eaters podcast. look tnat-vett- — the lotus eaters podcast. look that-well. and - the lotus eaters podcast. look that well. and nigel that up as well. and nigel ueison— that up as well. and nigel nelson, political nelson, senior political commentator- nelson, senior political commentator gb nelson, senior political- commentator-gb news. commentator here at gb news. soninq— commentator here at gb news. coming up— commentator here at gb news. coming up in— commentator here at gb news. coming up in the— commentator here at gb news. coming up in the part of coming up in the final part of my coming up in the final part of nyense-— coming up in the final part of my sense crusade, this my common sense crusade, this test,— my common sense crusade, this vest-te— my common sense crusade, this week,-be talking- my common sense crusade, this week,-be talking to- week, we'll be talking to a rournaiist— week, we'll be talking to a journalist and— week, we'll be talking to a journalist and publisher from tetet— journalist and publisher from rebel—levantl journalist and publisher from. rebel—levant on rebel news. it's ezra levant on his rebel news. it's ezra levant on nis-on— rebel news. it's ezra levant on his-on australia's- rebel news. it's ezra levant on his on australia's newest his take on australia's newest tiii— his take on australia's newest titi—tne- his take on australia's newesti bill—the growing bill on combating the growing trent— bill on combating the growing trend—so—calledj misinformation and so—called disinformation— misinformation and so—called disinformation on digital piatiorns— disinformation on digital piatiorns .— disinformation on digital platforms . they're breaking down platforms. they're breaking down free-essentially- platforms. they're breaking down free-essentially .- platforms. they're breaking down free essentially . back free speech, essentially. back witn— free speech, essentially. back vvitnl—

in three. well . in three. well come| . in three. - well come back. l in tires.- well come back. it's l in three — well come back. it's time for saivin-s— well come back. it's time for calvin's concert— well come back. it's time for calvin's concert soon. it's this eet— calvin's concert soon. it's this week's calvin's— calvin's concert soon. it's this week's calvin's concern was we vvantet— week's calvin's concern was we vantet to— week's calvin's concern was we vantet to near— week's calvin's concern was we wanted to hear your views on my twitter— wanted to hear your views on my ivitter poii— wanted to hear your views on my twitter poll where— wanted to hear your views on my twitter poll where i— wanted to hear your views on my twitter poll where i asked the question— twitter poll where i asked the question first. _ twitter poll where i asked the question first. they came for tne— question first. they came for the socialists _ question first. they came for the socialists and i did not speat— the socialists and i did not speat out.— the socialists and i did not speak out. banks are closing accounts. what— speak out. banks are closing accounts. what started with nick sriiiin— accounts. what started with nick sriiiin ant— accounts. what started with nick griffin and tommy— accounts. what started with nick griffin and tommy robinson is nappeninq— griffin and tommy robinson is now happening to laurence fox. iriqononetry— now happening to laurence fox. trigonometry into— now happening to laurence fox. trigonometry into nigel farage. snouit— trigonometry into nigel farage. should banks— trigonometry into nigel farage. should banks be— trigonometry into nigel farage. should banks be allowed to essentiaiiy— should banks be allowed to essentially lock— should banks be allowed to essentially lock people out of sivii— essentially lock people out of sivii sosiety— essentially lock people out of civil society motty for poiitisat— civil society motty for political views ? well, the political views? well, the resuits— political views? well, the results are _ political views? well, the results are in— political views? well, the results are in and 92.4% of you say— results are in and 92.4% of you say its— results are in and 92.4% of you say it's politically— results are in and 92.4% of you say it's politically correct, vniie— say it's politically correct, vvnite asto— say it's politically correct, while 7.6% of— say it's politically correct, while 7.6% of you say it's tyranny. — while 7.6% of you say it's tyranny. in— while 7.6% of you say it's tyranny. i'm not. well, okay. in— tyranny. i'm not. well, okay. in not— tyranny. i'm not. well, okay. in not sue— tyranny. i'm not. well, okay. i'm not sure there's questions. ine— i'm not sure there's questions. ine answers— i'm not sure there's questions. the answers were _ i'm not sure there's questions. the answers were very clear. i tit— the answers were very clear. i tit put— the answers were very clear. i tit put one— the answers were very clear. i tit put to— the answers were very clear. i did put one to say— the answers were very clear. i did put one to say yes and one to say— did put one to say yes and one to say — did put one to say yes and one to say out— did put one to say yes and one to say no. but it— did put one to say yes and one to say no. but it doesn't it toesn-t— to say no. but it doesn't it doesn't matter.— to say no. but it doesn't it doesn't matter. i think we're all doesn't matter. i think we're aii on— doesn't matter. i think we're aii on tne— doesn't matter. i think we're all on the same— doesn't matter. i think we're all on the same page with that inant— all on the same page with that inant you— all on the same page with that one. thank you for— all on the same page with that one. thank you for sending in your— one. thank you for sending in your views— one. thank you for sending in your views. now,— one. thank you for sending in your views. now, in australia, tne— your views. now, in australia, the government— your views. now, in australia, the government has proposed a new-sontat— the government has proposed a new-combat the- the government has proposed a new combat the growing new bill to combat the growing trent— new bill to combat the growing tent—sait- trend of what they call misinformation and disinformation digital disinformation on digital piatiorns.— platforms. tech giants could iase—pounts- platforms. tech giants could. face—poundslfines face billions of pounds in fines for face billions of pounds in fines ior iaiiinq— face billions of pounds in fines for failing-tackle— for failing to tackle disinformation an proposed

disinformation an under proposed austraiian— disinformation an under proposed austraiianl— disinformation an under proposed australian-, which- disinformation an under proposed australian , which a australian laws, which a vatsntoq— australian laws, which a watchdog on _ australian laws, which a watchdog on monday said would bring—standards- watchdog on monday said would bring _ standards to l watchdog on monday said would bring standards to the bring mandatory standards to the tittie— bring mandatory standards to the little regulated— bring mandatory standards to the little regulated sector . but little regulated sector. but many— little regulated sector. but many are— little regulated sector. but many are concerned with what is tnat— many are concerned with what is vnat it— many are concerned with what is vnat it souit— many are concerned with what is what it could mean— many are concerned with what is what it could mean for freedom of what it could mean for freedom oi speesn— what it could mean for freedom of speech, which— what it could mean for freedom of speech, which now who else souit— of speech, which now who else souit ast— of speech, which now who else souit ast to— of speech, which now who else could ask to talk— of speech, which now who else could ask to talk about this topisi— could ask to talk about this topise tone— could ask to talk about this topic? none other than rebel .ievant— topic? none other than rebel news. levant ezra, i'm so news. ezra levant ezra, i'm so qiat— news. ezra levant ezra, i'm so qtat youre— news. ezra levant ezra, i'm so qtat yours in— news. ezra levant ezra, i'm so glad you're in the— news. ezra levant ezra, i'm so glad you're in the uk and to join— glad you're in the uk and to on me— glad you're in the uk and to pin neltne— glad you're in the uk and to join me the studio. thank you join me in the studio. thank you very— join me in the studio. thank you very-visit.— join me in the studio. thank you very-visit. its- join me in the studio. thank you very-well, it's a- join me in the studio. thank youi very-well, it's a pleasure very much. well, it's a pleasure to be here. and freedom of speech fundamental speech is the fundamental freedom, strategic freedom, the strategic freedom upon which the other upon which all the other freedoms absolutely. freedoms are based. absolutely. and i saw you, i and the last time i saw you, i think both quizzing think we were both quizzing greta that 20 greta thunberg for that 20 minute that had minute q&a session that we had with her. she had nothing to say vnatsoever — with her. she had nothing to say whatsoever. bucha— she had nothing to say whatsoever. bucha however, i saw her whatsoever. bucha however, i saw it ant— whatsoever. bucha however, i saw it ant sne— whatsoever. bucha however, i saw it ant sne vent— whatsoever. bucha however, i saw her and she went to— whatsoever. bucha however, i saw her and she went to ukraine to give— her and she went to ukraine to give-strategis— her and she went to ukraine to give strategic advice give some strategic advice to tresitent—>- give some strategic advice toi president_> based give some strategic advice to- president_> based on president zelenskyy > based on what— president zelenskyy > based on vnat-it-s— president zelenskyy > based on what it's all kicking what i mean, it's all kicking off where you are in canada, the c—18 bill, understand it, c—18 bill, as i understand it, is the government trying to tax facebook and google specifically just having links ? like it's just for having links? like it's not like they're taking news stories and republishing them. the internet is based on links. companies love links. that's

the internet is based on links. companies love links . that's why companies love links. that's why they advertise on facebook and google. they post things on facebook and google. justin trudeau commanded that. facebook, instagram, google to pay facebook, instagram, google to pay money to any news organisation that they linked to without limit . and those without limit. and those companies said, look, we're happy to chip in, but we're not going to pay for links. and so yesterday they turned off the news. they literally turned off the in canada, means the news in canada, which means that no longer that google are no longer sharing to canadian news sharing links to canadian news sites. yeah, it's hurting the sites. yeah, so it's hurting the news companies, it's hurting news companies, but it's hurting canadians freedom canadians access to freedom of the well. this is the press as well. this is atsoiuteiy— the press as well. this is absolutely bonkers. - this is absolutely bonkers. and iitevvise— absolutely bonkers. and likewise, you've absolutely bonkers. and- likewise,-you've looked likewise, you say you've looked at-poiisies— likewise, you say you've looked at-policieleanada,- at the policies in canada, uk, iretant— at the policies in canada, uk, iretantlus— at the policies in canada, uk, ireiantlus .— at the policies in canada, uk, ireland, us , germany, new ireland, the us, germany, new zeaiant— ireland, the us, germany, new zealand-australia- ireland, the us, germany, new zealand australia . the has zealand and australia. the has the zealand and australia. the has its worst— zealand and australia. the has the worst protocol— zealand and australia. the has the worst protocol in terms and it's the worst protocol in terms and its tat— the worst protocol in terms and its tat news— the worst protocol in terms and it's bad news everywhere . it's bad news everywhere. but let it's bad news everywhere. but tet nie— it's bad news everywhere. but tet no rust— it's bad news everywhere. but let me just talk— it's bad news everywhere. but let me just talk a— it's bad news everywhere. but let me just talk a little bit about australia. i'm just looking my notes here. it's looking at my notes here. it's called the misinformation and disinformation bill. but of course, one man's misinformation is another man's opinion. we have a clash of ideas and the viewer gets to choose, not the government . here's some of the government. here's some of the crazy stuff . this is what they crazy stuff. this is what they

call online harm , not real call online harm, not real violence . but this is one of the violence. but this is one of the harms. you're not even going to believe this. if a post sting does harm to the australian environment, does economic or financial harm to australians. by financial harm to australians. by the way, there's special exemptions for the mainstream media if you are an official approved government source, you're exempt from this misinformation and disinformation law. so let's put this into practicality— disinformation law. so let's put this into practicality for- this into practicality for exanpie— this into practicality for example, another pandemic, so—saiiet— example, another pandemic, so—called pandemic. example, another pandemic, so—called pandemic . yes, the so—called pandemic. yes, the rnainstearn— so—called pandemic. yes, the mainstream media can say vnatever— mainstream media can say whatever they _ mainstream media can say whatever they like, but smaller outiets— whatever they like, but smaller outiets ant— whatever they like, but smaller outlets and individuals will be censored. that's— outlets and individuals will be censored. i 3 and censored. that's right. and tnere-s— censored. that's right. and there's-religious- censored. 3 and there's religious exemption there's no religious exemption eitner.— there's no religious exemption eitnerlvnat— there's no religious exemption either..what a— there's no religious exemption either. what a pastor says is either. so what a pastor says is if either. so what a pastor says is ii in— either. so what a pastor says is ii nis snursn— either. so what a pastor says is if his church service is streanet— if his church service is streamed on- if his church service is streamed on facebook or youtube, as many— streamed on facebook or youtube, as many are, that— streamed on facebook or youtube, as many are, that is— streamed on facebook or youtube, as many are, that is covered by tnis— as many are, that is covered by tnis tat.— as many are, that is covered by this law. there's— as many are, that is covered by this law. there's no— as many are, that is covered by this law. there's no religious exemption— this law. there's no religious etenption .— this law. there's no religious exemption , which means that they exemption, which means that they souit— exemption, which means that they souit say,— exemption, which means that they souit say, ii— exemption, which means that they souit say, ii i— exemption, which means that they could say, if i put— exemption, which means that they could say, if i put my sermon ontine— could say, if i put my sermon oniine, tney— could say, if i put my sermon online, they could say my sermon is narniui— online, they could say my sermon is narniui to— online, they could say my sermon is harmful to the— online, they could say my sermon is harmful to the lgbt community tesause— is harmful to the lgbt community tesause in— is harmful to the lgbt community because i'm preaching that marriage— because i'm preaching that marriage _one. because i'm preaching that. marriage _one man because i'm preaching that- marriage _one man and marriage is between one man and one-iterators.- marriage is between one man and one-therefore, they- marriage is between one man andi one _therefore, they could one woman. therefore, they could take yeah. and we've take me down. yeah. and we've seen laws take me down. yeah. and we've iavs in— take me down. yeah. and we've seen laws in scotland,- seen laws in scotland, in ireiant— seen laws in scotland, in ireland being—

seen laws in scotland, in ireland being proposed that say if ireland being proposed that say ii you— ireland being proposed that say ii you nave— ireland being proposed that say ii you nave a— ireland being proposed that say if you have a meme like a funny, quirty— if you have a meme like a funny, quirty rote— if you have a meme like a funny, quirty rote .— if you have a meme like a funny, quirty rote , even— if you have a meme like a funny, quirky joke , even if— if you have a meme like a funny, quirky joke , even if it's in quirky joke, even if it's in your— quirky joke, even if it's in your enaii— quirky joke, even if it's in your email or— quirky joke, even if it's in your email or if- quirky joke, even if it's in your email or if it's in an old sosiai— your email or if it's in an old social media— your email or if it's in an old social media post, if it could cause offence,— social media post, if it could cause offence, likely to in the iuture— cause offence, likely to in the iuture to— cause offence, likely to in the future to cause— cause offence, likely to in the future to cause offence that tnat— future to cause offence that tnat is— future to cause offence that that is, that— future to cause offence that that is, that in— future to cause offence that that is, that in itself is against— that is, that in itself is against the— that is, that in itself is against the law. no one has to astuatiy— against the law. no one has to astuaiiy te— against the law. no one has to actually be offended . it just actually be offended. it just soutt— actually be offended. it just could future— actually be offended. it just could future tense be an offence to someone's dignity. what does tnat— to someone's dignity. what does tnat — to someone's dignity. what does that mean? so— to someone's dignity. what does that mean? so it's— to someone's dignity. what does that mean? e to someone's dignity. what does that mean? i ’sit“ that mean? so it's worse than something being offensive, it's something being offensive, it's something potentially being offensive. yeah. a future crime tite— offensive. yeah. a future crime tits—minority- offensive. yeah. a future crimei like _ minority report, like that movie minority report, tnere— like that movie minority report, tiers—say,- like that movie minority report, where_say, well,- like that movie minority report, where say, well, you where they would say, well, you titn-t— where they would say, well, you titn-t to — where they would say, well, you didn't do anything— where they would say, well, you didn't do anything yet, but we reatty— didn't do anything yet, but we reatty-yours— didn't do anything yet, but we really you're going to. really know you're going to. inat— really know you're going to. inat is— really know you're going to. inat is very— really know you're going to. that is very worse than that is very that's worse than envetiian.— that is very that's worse than orwellian-are- orwellian. and these are nappeninq— orwellian. and these are happening across the happening all across the anglosphere,_ happening all across the anglosphere, including here in the anglosphere, including here in its ut— anglosphere, including here in its ut. ant— anglosphere, including here in the uk. and this— anglosphere, including here in the uk. and this is the crucible of the uk. and this is the crucible oi iree— the uk. and this is the crucible of free speech.— the uk. and this is the crucible of free speech. and i hate this. i of free speech. and i hate this. i spote— of free speech. and i hate this. i spots to— of free speech. and i hate this. i spots to a— of free speech. and i hate this. i spoke to a teacher called ben vno— i spoke to a teacher called ben vvno vno— i spoke to a teacher called ben vvno vvno qoi— i spoke to a teacher called ben who who got fired— i spoke to a teacher called ben who who got fired because they sait — who who got fired because they sait at— who who got fired because they sait at some— who who got fired because they said at some point— who who got fired because they said at some point in the future he said at some point in the future is souit— said at some point in the future he could teach— said at some point in the future he could teach something that souit— he could teach something that could offend— he could teach something that could offend people and look at now— could offend people and look at now-eniorse— could offend people and look at how-enforce that- could offend people and look at how enforce that against how they enforce that against nin— how they enforce that against nin-aqainst— how they enforce that against. him.-against_you him. and against the pastor you just him. and against the pastor you rust-on. — him. and against the pastor you rust-on. vvouit— him. and against the pastor you just on. would they do that just had on. would they do that

against— just had on. would they do that. against—maybe against a muslim preacher? maybe one-tney-re— against a muslim preacher? maybe one-tney-re qoinq- against a muslim preacher? maybe one they're going after one day, but they're going after snristians— one day, but they're going after christians-canada- christians first in canada turinq— christians first in canada turinq tne— christians first in canada during the lockdowns, they iaiiet — during the lockdowns, they jailed christian pastors for teepinq— jailed christian pastors for keeping their— jailed christian pastors for keeping their churches open . no keeping their churches open. no otner— keeping their churches open. no otner iaitn. — keeping their churches open. no otner iaitn. i— keeping their churches open. no other faith. i really feel like tney-re— other faith. i really feel like tney-re a— other faith. i really feel like they're a combination of the iosttovvns— they're a combination of the lockdowns and _ they're a combination of the lockdowns and the intolerance for conservative _ lockdowns and the intolerance for conservative or christian vievvs— for conservative or christian is— for conservative or christian views is spreading across the antio— views is spreading across the anqto spnere.— views is spreading across the anglo sphere. and this is not a tiaset— anglo sphere. and this is not a tiaset view— anglo sphere. and this is not a tiasetviev — anglo sphere. and this is not a biased view. you're- anglo sphere. and this is not a biased view. /ti. iti; biased view. you're not a christian yourself? no, i'm jewish, christian yourself? no, i'm revisn tut— christian yourself? no, i'm revisn tut i— 7 no, i'm jewish, but i understand maybe tesause— jewish, but i understand maybe tesause in— jewish, but i understand maybe because i'm jewish that you need tnat— because i'm jewish that you need tnat ireeton — because i'm jewish that you need that freedom of— because i'm jewish that you need that freedom of speech because witn— that freedom of speech because vvitnlyou— that freedom of speech because vitnlyou san— that freedom of speech because with .you can fight— that freedom of speech because with you can fight for your with it you can fight for your otner— with it you can fight for your otner-ant- with it you can fight for your other-and 1—1- with it you can fight for your other-and 1—1 of. with it you can fight for your. other-and 1—1 of the other freedoms. and 1—1 of the int— other freedoms. and 1—1 of the iirst tninqs— other freedoms. and 1—1 of the first things-do— other freedoms. and 1—1 of the first things-do in- other freedoms. and 1—1 of the first things do in tyranny first things they do in tyranny is-avvay— first things they do in tyranny is-avay your— first things they do in tyranny is away your right talk is take away your right to talk past.— is take away your right to talk past-use- is take away your right to talk toast-use is- is take away your right to talk back.-use is, is- is take away your right to talk back.-use is, is an. back. and what use is, is an eiestion— back. and what use is, is an eiestion ii— back. and what use is, is an election if there's no free speesn— election if there's no free speech, what— election if there's no free speech, what use is freedom of assosiatione— speech, what use is freedom of association? if— speech, what use is freedom of association? if there's no free speesn— association? if there's no free speesn it— association? if there's no free speesn it is— association? if there's no free speech, it is the— association? if there's no free speech, it is the freedom of movement. you _ speech, it is the freedom of movement. you others are based . movement. you others are based. tnat-s— movement. you others are based. tnat-s riqit— movement. you others are based. tnat-s riqnt. its— movement. you others are based. that's right. it's almost— movement. you others are based. that's right. it's almost as- movement. you others are based. that's right. it's almost as if- that's right. it's almost as if they want get rid of they want to get rid of democracy somehow. well, you're fighting it. check fighting back. i love it. check out levant's democracy fund out ezra levant's democracy fund as over there at rebel as well over there at rebel news. thank you so much for joining me today. each week joining me today. now, each week on we like to end with on the show, we like to end with our closing prayer. and this week the collect for

week we'll hear the collect for the trinity the fourth sunday after trinity read from saint read by walter from saint anthony's for boys . oh, anthony's school for boys. oh, god . the protector of all- god . the protector of all that god. the protector of all that trust— god. the protector of all that trust in— god. the protector of all that trust in thee— god. the protector of all that trust in thee without whom? vvitnout. — trust in thee without whom? without. without whom? nothing is strong. — without. without whom? nothing is strong. nothing— without. without whom? nothing is strong. nothing is holy. increase and— is strong. nothing is holy. increase and multiply upon us. thy— increase and multiply upon us. iny nersy— increase and multiply upon us. iny nersy tnat— increase and multiply upon us. thy mercy that thou being our ruier— thy mercy that thou being our ruier ant— thy mercy that thou being our ruler and guide— thy mercy that thou being our ruler and guide .— thy mercy that thou being our ruler and guide . we may so pass ruler and guide. we may so pass tnat— ruler and guide. we may so pass tnat tnouqn— ruler and guide. we may so pass that through two _ ruler and guide. we may so pass that through two things temporal that through two things temporal tnat ve— that through two things temporal that we finally— that through two things temporal that we finally lose, not the tninqs— that we finally lose, not the things eternal. _ that we finally lose, not the things eternal. grant this 0 neaveniy— things eternal. grant this 0 heavenly father for jesus, for resus— heavenly father for jesus, for jesus snrist— heavenly father for jesus, for jesus christ sake,— heavenly father for jesus, for jesus christ sake, our lord. amen— jesus christ sake, our lord. anen .— jesus christ sake, our lord. anen . — jesus christ sake, our lord. anen . ant— jesus christ sake, our lord. amen . and also- jesus christ sake, our lord. amen . ' “t: jesus christ sake, our lord. amen . jesus christ sake, our lord.- amen . and also a brief prayer amen. and also a brief prayer for father duncan hagan, who was ordained to the diaconate today, and father andrew bailey and father stephen miller, who will be ordained to the priesthood tomorrow. thank you so much for watching common sense. watching calvin's common sense. with me, the reverend calvin robinson. you have robinson. god bless you. have a good bye bye . hello there. good show. bye bye. hello there. vveisone— good show. bye bye. hello there. vveisone to— good show. bye bye. hello there. welcome to your— good show. bye bye. hello there. welcome to your gb— g: fiéjti; hello there. welcome to your gb news weather ioresast— welcome to your gb news weather ioresast iron — welcome to your gb news weather forecast from the _ welcome to your gb news weather forecast from the met office. in — forecast from the met office. in sraiq— forecast from the met office. i'm craig snell.— forecast from the met office. i'm craig snell. well, looking aneat— i'm craig snell. well, looking aneat to— i'm craig snell. well, looking ahead to sunday,— i'm craig snell. well, looking ahead to sunday, it's a bit of a nonn— ahead to sunday, it's a bit of a not soutn— ahead to sunday, it's a bit of a north south split— ahead to sunday, it's a bit of a

north south split across the sountry— north south split across the sountry. iaany— north south split across the country. many areas country. many southern areas snouit— country. many southern areas snouit te— country. many southern areas snouit toe-try- country. many southern areas should be dry with some should be largely dry with some toot—nut- good spells of sunshine. but across—remains. across the north it remains pretty— across the north it remains pretty changeable it's all pretty changeable and it's all town— pretty changeable and it's all down-areallow- down to this area of low pressure, which is not really going— pressure, which is not really qoinq to— pressure, which is not really qoinq to qo— pressure, which is not really qoinq to to very— pressure, which is not really going to go very far over the next— going to go very far over the next-tos— going to go very far over the next - days. - note - going to go very far over the next days. note that going to go very far over the- next - days. - note that the next few days. and note that the tiqntiy— next few days. and note that the tiqntiy pastet— next few days. and note that the tightly packed isobars indicating— indicating it's going to be a iairiy— indicating it's going to be a fairly blustery— indicating it's going to be a fairly blustery hours. so as fairly blustery 24 hours. so as we fairly blustery 24 hours. so as vve-saturtay,— fairly blustery 24 hours. so as we-saturday, a- fairly blustery 24 hours. so as we saturday, a fairly quiet we end saturday, a fairly quiet ent— we end saturday, a fairly quiet end—across many. end to the day across many soutnern— end to the day across many southern areas,— end to the day across many southern areas, but across the nonn— southern areas, but across the nortn-snovers- southern areas, but across the north, showers moving in north, further showers moving in on a iairiy— north, further showers moving in on a fairly keen— north, further showers moving in on a fairly keen wind. some persistent— on a fairly keen wind. some persistent rain— on a fairly keen wind. some persistent rain continuing across shetland and orkney. and nere— across shetland and orkney. and its astuatiy— across shetland and orkney. and here actually the _ across shetland and orkney. and here actually the winds will strenqtnen — here actually the winds will strengthen further night strengthen further as the night toes— strengthen further as the night qoes — strengthen further as the night goes on. certainly the risk of qaies— goes on. certainly the risk of some gales as— goes on. certainly the risk of some gales as we start sunday morning. — some gales as we start sunday morning. .ior— some gales as we start sunday morning. .for all- some gales as we start sunday morning. .for all of- some gales as we start sunday morning. for all of us, morning. but for all of us, temperatures— morning. but for all of us, temperatures generally staying in—so- temperatures generally staying in—so suntayl in double figures. so sunday starts— in double figures. so sunday starts on— in double figures. so sunday starts off with— in double figures. so sunday starts off with plenty of sunsnine— starts off with plenty of sunshine across the south and it reatty— sunshine across the south and it reatty-tnat— sunshine across the south and it reatty-tnat way- sunshine across the south and it really-that way for- sunshine across the south and it really that way for most really remains that way for most of really remains that way for most oi-tay— really remains that way for most oi-tay .— really remains that way for most oi-tay . sone— really remains that way for most of-day . some fair- really remains that way for most of day . some fair weather of the day. some fair weather stout—iron - of the day. some fair weather cloud _from time| of the day. some fair weather. cloud _from time to cloud bubbling up from time to time. — cloud bubbling up from time to time. _a- cloud bubbling up from time to time._a mixture time. northern areas, a mixture of time. northern areas, a mixture oi sunny— time. northern areas, a mixture oi sunny spetis— time. northern areas, a mixture of sunny spells and scattered nores— of sunny spells and scattered snoverslnut— of sunny spells and scattered showers but again, note across showers. but again, note across pans— showers. but again, note across parts oi— showers. but again, note across pans oi ortney— showers. but again, note across parts of orkney and northern ssotiant— parts of orkney and northern scotland and— parts of orkney and northern scotland and we— parts of orkney and northern scotland and we remain cloudy witn— scotland and we remain cloudy vvitn sone— scotland and we remain cloudy with some persistent rain. teaiiy— with some persistent rain. really carrying— with some persistent rain. really carrying on right throughout— really carrying on right throughout the course of the tay. — throughout the course of the tay. nut— throughout the course of the tay. nut in— throughout the course of the day. but in the— throughout the course of the day. but in the sunshine across

the day. but in the sunshine across its soutn— day. but in the sunshine across the south, feeling— day. but in the sunshine across the south, feeling pleasantly niqns— the south, feeling pleasantly warm. highs reaching 22, 23 teqrees— warm. highs reaching 22, 23 teqrees as— warm. highs reaching 22, 23 degrees as little— warm. highs reaching 22, 23 degrees as little changes as we into— degrees as little changes as we move into sunday— degrees as little changes as we move into sunday night. fairly quiet— move into sunday night. fairly quiet asross— move into sunday night. fairly quiet across the _ move into sunday night. fairly quiet across the south, but iurtner— quiet across the south, but further rain— quiet across the south, but further rain or— quiet across the south, but further rain or showers across tne— further rain or showers across its nonn— further rain or showers across its nortn aqain— further rain or showers across the north, again being blown in on a iairiy— the north, again being blown in on a fairly keen— the north, again being blown in on a fairly keen wind. and for ertney— on a fairly keen wind. and for ertney ant— on a fairly keen wind. and for orkney and shetland and the far nonn— orkney and shetland and the far not oi— orkney and shetland and the far north of scotland,— orkney and shetland and the far north of scotland, that rain rust— north of scotland, that rain just persisting— north of scotland, that rain just persisting right throughout the just persisting right throughout its niqnt.— just persisting right throughout tne niqnt. ant— just persisting right throughout the night. and in fact , it will the night. and in fact, it will tnat— the night. and in fact, it will remain that way— the night. and in fact, it will remain that way as we go into iaontay— remain that way as we go into iaontay itseti— remain that way as we go into monday itself .— remain that way as we go into monday itself . elsewhere, monday itself. elsewhere, a triqnt— monday itself. elsewhere, a triqnt stan— monday itself. elsewhere, a bright start to _ monday itself. elsewhere, a bright start to the day , but bright start to the day, but stout— bright start to the day, but stout viii— bright start to the day, but cloud will begin to spill in across many western areas with outtreats— across many western areas with some outbreaks of— across many western areas with some outbreaks of rain arriving nere— some outbreaks of rain arriving its as— some outbreaks of rain arriving its as tne— some outbreaks of rain arriving here as the afternoon goes on. nut— here as the afternoon goes on. out tne— here as the afternoon goes on. out its test— here as the afternoon goes on. but the best of— here as the afternoon goes on. but the best of the driest and triqntest— but the best of the driest and brightest conditions really reservet— brightest conditions really reservet in— brightest conditions really reserved in the afternoon down tovarts— reserved in the afternoon down tovarts tne— reserved in the afternoon down towards the south— reserved in the afternoon down towards the south eastern part of towards the south eastern part oi tne— towards the south eastern part oi tne sountry— towards the south eastern part of the country and really the start— of the country and really the stan oi— of the country and really the start of next— of the country and really the start of next week remains unsettiet— start of next week remains unsettled for— start of next week remains unsettled for all of .

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