what have we digital radio. so what have we got-up— digital radio. so what have we got-up this— digital radio. so what have we. got-up this-france got coming up this hour? france have— got coming up this hour? france have endured— got coming up this hour? france have endured a— got coming up this hour? france have endured a fifth night of violent— have endured a fifth night of violent riots— have endured a fifth night of violent riots sparked, of by— violent riots sparked, of course, by the - violent riots sparked, of course, by the killing of a 17 year— course, by the killing of a 17 year om— course, by the killing of a 17 year old boy— course, by the killing of a 17 year are boy by— course, by the killing of a 17 year old boy by a police officer. — year old boy by a police officer. the— year old boy by a police officer. the french interior mrrrerer— officer. the french interior minister says— officer. the french interior minister says was a calmer minister says it was a calmer night— minister says it was a calmer night bar— minister says it was a calmer night, but there _ minister says it was a calmer night, but there still were 700 peepre— night, but there still were 700 people arrested.— night, but there still were 700 people arrested. violent clashes eerrrraea— people arrested. violent clashes continued and— people arrested. violent clashes continued and rioters in one rare— continued and rioters in one rarre subare— continued and rioters in one paris suburb rammed a local mar-say— paris suburb rammed a local rrer-eay reame— paris suburb rammed a local mayor's home, firing rockets at his wife— mayor's home, firing rockets at are wife are— mayor's home, firing rockets at his wife and small children . and his wife and small children. and whar— his wife and small children. and wrrar aeee— his wife and small children. and what does this— his wife and small children. and what does this tell— his wife and small children. and what does this tell us about the erare— what does this tell us about the erare er— what does this tell us about the state of multiculturalism in rare— state of multiculturalism in rraree arra— state of multiculturalism in france and rishi sunak has announced a— france and rishi sunak has announced a new £24 billion workforce— announced a new £24 billion workforce plan— announced a new £24 billion workforce plan to— announced a new £24 billion workforce plan to fix staff errerragee— workforce plan to fix staff errerragee ra— workforce plan to fix staff shortages in the nhs . more shortages in the nhs. more arrvererry— shortages in the nhs. more university places for medical arra— university places for medical and nursing— university places for medical and nursing students, apprenticeship schemes for decree,— apprenticeship schemes for doctors, shorter— apprenticeship schemes for doctors, shorter medical degrees.— doctors, shorter medical degrees. re— doctors, shorter medical degrees. is this enough to save the degrees. is this enough to save rrre arse— degrees. is this enough to save rrre arse re— degrees. is this enough to save the nhs? is it— degrees. is this enough to save the nhs? is it saveable and earring— the nhs? is it saveable and eemrag ap— the nhs? is it saveable and eemrag up ar— the nhs? is it saveable and coming up at the end of the rear. — coming up at the end of the rear. eer— coming up at the end of the hour. get this.— coming up at the end of the hour. get this. turns out that peerrrve— hour. get this. turns out that positive discrimination action to positive discrimination action re herp— positive discrimination action re help rar— positive discrimination action to help hit diversity targets in the to help hit diversity targets in are rear— to help hit diversity targets in are rear rea— to help hit diversity targets in the raf led to _ to help hit diversity targets in the raf led to discrimination agarrer— the raf led to discrimination against white— the raf led to discrimination against white men. i'm asking sheare— against white men. i'm asking should positive—

against white men. i'm asking should positive discrimination r-aer— should positive discrimination year be— should positive discrimination raer be eerap— should positive discrimination raer be eerap e— should positive discrimination just be scrap ? but please do get just be scrap? but please do get in rarer— just be scrap? but please do get in touch throughout the show. serra— in touch throughout the show. serra ae— in touch throughout the show. send as year— in touch throughout the show. send us your thoughts on gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me ar ee— gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me ar ea newe— gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me ar ea newe- ear— gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at gb news. but before before all at gb news. but before before an ar— at gb news. but before before au or arm,— at gb news. but before before all of that, let's— at gb news. but before before all of that, let's get the news reaarrree— all of that, let's get the news headlines with— all of that, let's get the news headlines with aaron armstrong . headlines with aaron armstrong. aera— headlines with aaron armstrong. good afternoon— headlines with aaron armstrong. good afternoon ._ headlines with aaron armstrong. good afternoon . it's— headlines with aaron armstrong. good afternoon . it's a— headlines with aaron armstrong. good afternoon. it's a minute past one. aaron armstrong here in the gb news newsroom. the french government will hold emergency talks this evening to address the civil unrest after a fifth night of rioting. more than 700 people were arrested across the country overnight with gas used to disperse with tear gas used to disperse crowds in marseille . the crowds in marseille. the violence follows the death of the teenager nana merzouk, who was shot by police during a traffic stop in paris on tuesday in the suburbs of paris, a mayor's home was raided and set alight. his wife and one of his children were hurt. prosecutors say an attempted murder investigation has been opened. the journalist peter allen, who's in the capital, believes is a state of emergency, could

yet be declared. and daniel rraererr— yet be declared. and daniel macron keeps— «ac. :f: and daniel macron keeps announcing extra eerree— macron keeps announcing extra eerree every— macron keeps announcing extra police every night. he's up to 45,000— police every night. he's up to raeee exera— police every night. he's up to 45,000 extra police each evening . ree— 45,000 extra police each evening . re-e going— 45,000 extra police each evening . re-e gerag re— 45,000 extra police each evening . he's going to run— 45,000 extra police each evening . he's going to run out of eerreemer— . he's going to run out of policemen to— . he's going to run out of policemen to soon push out. so arrea— policemen to soon push out. so rrrerr ree— policemen to soon push out. so area he bringe— policemen to soon push out. so then he brings in— policemen to soon push out. so then he brings in the army. it's aeerrarrrry— then he brings in the army. it's a eerrarrrry a— then he brings in the army. it's a certainly a state— then he brings in the army. it's a certainly a state of crisis at are— a certainly a state of crisis at me memer— a certainly a state of crisis at me memem .— a certainly a state of crisis at the moment . and— a certainly a state of crisis at the moment . and his next step the moment. and his next step weara— the moment. and his next step wearer preeaery— the moment. and his next step would probably be to introduce a seare— would probably be to introduce a erare er— would probably be to introduce a state of emergency— would probably be to introduce a state of emergency unless mere-e— state of emergency unless mere-e a— state of emergency unless there's a massive change in the armre— there's a massive change in the public consciousness and the merma— public consciousness and the rrermg seepe— public consciousness and the rioting stops some other way . rioting stops some other way. now:— rioting stops some other way. were. new— rioting stops some other way. now, new measures- rioting stops some other way. now, new measures to- rioting stops some other way. now, new measures to deal with disruptive protests come into force today. they include exeamaee— force today. they include expanded police - may; : they include expanded police powers to wart; : they include expanded police powers to move on expanded police powers to move em erarre— expanded police powers to move em erarre er— expanded police powers to move on static or slow— expanded police powers to move on static or slow walking prereere— on static or slow walking protests like _ on static or slow walking protests like those used by just see— protests like those used by just see or— protests like those used by just sree or are— protests like those used by just sree or are a— protests like those used by just stop oil and a new criminal ememee— stop oil and a new criminal ememee er— stop oil and a new criminal offence of tunnelling being ereeem— offence of tunnelling being ereeem m— offence of tunnelling being ereeem m a— offence of tunnelling being present in a tunnel to cause areraerrem— present in a tunnel to cause disruption could— present in a tunnel to cause disruption could result in up to mee— disruption could result in up to rmee years— disruption could result in up to rmee yeare m— disruption could result in up to three years in jail. _ disruption could result in up to three years in jail. the home emce— three years in jail. the home office eaye— three years in jail. the home office says the— three years in jail. the home office says the move will free up emeere— office says the move will free up emeere .— office says the move will free up officers . suella braverman up officers. suella braverman mae— up officers. suella braverman mae ma— up officers. suella braverman mae mr ear— up officers. suella braverman has hit out at— up officers. suella braverman has hit out at what she's aeeerreea— has hit out at what she's described as— has hit out at what she's described as mayhem on the meem— described as mayhem on the streets. critics,— described as mayhem on the streets. critics, though, argue me— streets. critics, though, argue the toughening— streets. critics, though, argue the toughening up of the laws arelrmear— the toughening up of the laws are lthreat-right- the toughening up of the laws are threat right to are a threat to the right to prereer— are a threat to the right to prereer .— are a threat to the right to prereer . ree— are a threat to the right to protest . two people have been protest. two people have been

mrrea— protest. two people have been mrrea ama— protest. two people have been killed and three— protest. two people have been killed and three more are in a area— killed and three more are in a critical condition— killed and three more are in a critical condition after a mass erreerme— critical condition after a mass emeerme m— critical condition after a mass shooting in the— critical condition after a mass shooting in the us state of rraryrama. — shooting in the us state of maryland. police say up to 330 eeeere— maryland. police say up to 330 people suffered— maryland. police say up to 330 people suffered gunshot wounds in people suffered gunshot wounds m me— people suffered gunshot wounds in the incident— people suffered gunshot wounds in the incident which took place in the incident which took place m me— in the incident which took place m me cry— in the incident which took place m me my er— in the incident which took place in the city of baltimore, where eeeere— in the city of baltimore, where eeeere mae— in the city of baltimore, where people had gathered for an event earrea— people had gathered for an event called brooklyn— people had gathered for an event called brooklyn day. nothing is yet called brooklyn day. nothing is yer merm— called brooklyn day. nothing is yet known about— called brooklyn day. nothing is yet known about the shooter or a eeeerere— yet known about the shooter or a possible motive _ yet known about the shooter or a possible motive ._ yet known about the shooter or a possible motive . the government possible motive. the government is deemed— possible motive. the government is determined to— possible motive. the government is determined to stop migrant beare— is determined to stop migrant eeare eemme— is determined to stop migrant boats coming into britain. mar-e— boats coming into britain. mar-e remar— boats coming into britain. that's what the health secretary has that's what the health secretary mae earr— that's what the health secretary mae eara. r— that's what the health secretary has said. it comes— that's what the health secretary has said. it comes days after me— has said. it comes days after me rrrme— has said. it comes days after the prime minister refused to gaaramree— the prime minister refused to guarantee the— the prime minister refused to guarantee the first flight to rwanda— guarantee the first flight to rwanda would— guarantee the first flight to rwanda would take off by the end of rwanda would take off by the end er me— rwanda would take off by the end er me year— rwanda would take off by the end of the year after— rwanda would take off by the end of the year after his— rwanda would take off by the end of the year after his asylum eerrey— of the year after his asylum eerrey was— of the year after his asylum policy was dealt— of the year after his asylum policy was dealt a blow by an appear— policy was dealt a blow by an appear eearr— policy was dealt a blow by an appeal court ruling. steve eareray— appeal court ruling. steve eareray eaye— appeal court ruling. steve barclay says if— appeal court ruling. steve barclay says if nothing is done to barclay says if nothing is done re eree— barclay says if nothing is done re see me— barclay says if nothing is done to stop the boats,— barclay says if nothing is done to stop the boats, the cost to aeeerr— to stop the boats, the cost to deport migrants— to stop the boats, the cost to deport migrants could reach up to deport migrants could reach up re err— deport migrants could reach up to £11 billion.— deport migrants could reach up to £11 billion. he's— deport migrants could reach up to £11 billion. he's added he armre— to £11 billion. he's added he make me— to £11 billion. he's added he thinks it's the— to £11 billion. he's added he thinks it's the right decision to thinks it's the right decision re rake— thinks it's the right decision re rake me— thinks it's the right decision to take the rwanda policy to the supreme— to take the rwanda policy to the supreme cearr— to take the rwanda policy to the supreme cearr. — to take the rwanda policy to the supreme court. i— to take the rwanda policy to the supreme court. , supreme court. i think your viewers want the government to take action. that is what we're doing. we're doing so in a way that clearly complies with the legal process. but it's important we now take this to

the supreme court. the prime minister, secretary are minister, the home secretary are determined to stop the boats. and if we don't, then there'll be a huge cost. however lord carlile, barrister and crossbow bench member of the house of lords, says the proposal is unlawful. government is not remerame— unlawful. government is not upholding me— unlawful. government is not upholding the law- t. government is not upholding the law and they've aeereaemee— upholding the law and they've approached this— upholding the law and they've approached this whole bill in a eemererery— approached this whole bill in a completely legally, non eemerram— completely legally, non compliant way. completely legally, non- compliant way. the basis of this bill is that there is a safe country or safe countries to send refugees to, but in fact they're only offering one safe country, and that's rwanda . so country, and that's rwanda. so the proposal is in tatters . it the proposal is in tatters. it is unlawful. it is leading to people being kept in custody when they should not be kept in custody. labour when they should not be kept in custody . labour says it would custody. labour says it would gree— custody. labour says it would grye reaemere— custody. labour says it would give teachers in— t: labour says it would give teachers in england £2,400 to give teachers in england £2,400 re eree— give teachers in england £2,400 re eree mem— give teachers in england £2,400 to stop them leaving the profession. _ to stop them leaving the profession. the party's promising £50 million a year to prevent what it calls an exodus. it would be funded by ending tax breaks for private schools. nearly 1 in 5 teachers who qualified in 2020 have since

quit shadow education secretary bridget phillipson says the problem needs to be addressed. but for our new teachers , when but for our new teachers, when mey-ve — but for our new teachers, when they've completed _ but for our new teachers, when they've completed their early career framework, when they mmem— career framework, when they finish those _ career framework, when they finish those two— career framework, when they finish those two years, they wru— finish those two years, they wrrr mem — finish those two years, they will then receive a retention paymem— will then receive a retention eaymemr ar— will then receive a retention eaymemr a me— will then receive a retention payment at the end of that. the mere— payment at the end of that. the emgre mggeer— payment at the end of that. the single biggest way— payment at the end of that. the single biggest way that we make mar— single biggest way that we make sure that children— single biggest way that we make sure that children get really great— sure that children get really great outcomes— sure that children get really great outcomes and a great great outcomes and get a great erarr— great outcomes and get a great erarrlrrre— great outcomes and get a great erarrlrrre m— great outcomes and get a great start-life in school- start in life in school is meagr— start in life in school is through quality teaching through high quality teaching and through high quality teaching are-ar— through high quality teaching are-ar me- through high quality teaching and at the moment, we and right now at the moment, we face— and right now at the moment, we face a— and right now at the moment, we face a recruitment— and right now at the moment, we face a recruitment retention face a recruitment and retention emem— face a recruitment and retention emem-me— face a recruitment and retention crisis the profession . crisis across the profession. reeere— crisis across the profession.| people _teaching crisis across the profession.- people_teaching in people are leaving teaching in merr— people are leaving teaching in rmerr arevee— people are leaving teaching in their droves. 1— people are leaving teaching in their droves. 1 in— people are leaving teaching in their droves. 1 in 5 new readers— their droves. 1 in 5 new teachers leave within the first eeaere— teachers leave within the first eeaere er— teachers leave within the first couple of years,— teachers leave within the first couple of years, and that's why i couple of years, and that's why r eerreve— couple of years, and that's why r eerreve rr-e— couple of years, and that's why i believe it's absolutely essential— i believe it's absolutely essential that- i believe it's absolutely essential that we address that mere— essential that we address that mere wru— essential that we address that there will be— essential that we address that there will be more disruption for there will be more disruption rer rar— there will be more disruption for rail passengers over the eemme— for rail passengers over the eemmgweek. — for rail passengers over the coming week. for rail passengers over the- coming week. aslef members at 16 train companies in england will refuse to work overtime . refuse to work overtime. operators rely on overtime to run their full timetable. the union says it's calling for fair pay, union says it's calling for fair pay, but the rail delivery group says aslef rejected its last offer of a £5,000 raise, which would bring the basic salary for

drivers working a four day week to nearly £65,000. services will be affected until saturday and this is gb news we'll bring you more as it happens. but now it is back to emily and gb news. sunday thank sunday- i thank you samaay- . thank you very samaay— . thank you very much, sunday thank you very much, aaron. so the thank you very much, aaron. so as the bulletins,- as you heard in the bulletins,- more than 700 people have been arreerea— more than 700 people have been arrested . france _ more than 700 people have been arrested-france ._ more than 700 people have been arrested france . that's arrested in france. that's ferrewme— arrested in france. that's ferrewme a— arrested in france. that's following a fifth night of merma— following a fifth night of rrermg .— following a fifth night of rioting . tear— following a fifth night of rioting . tear gas was used to rioting. tear gas was used to disperse— rioting. tear gas was used to disperse crowds— rioting. tear gas was used to disperse crowds in marseille. rerree— disperse crowds in marseille. police clashed— disperse crowds in marseille. police clashed with protesters rare— police clashed with protesters rare mae— police clashed with protesters late into the— police clashed with protesters late into the night . rioters in late into the night. rioters in rare— late into the night. rioters in one paris suburb— late into the night. rioters in one paris suburb rammed the reear— one paris suburb rammed the reear aye— one paris suburb rammed the local mayor's home, firing remem— local mayor's home, firing reekere ar— local mayor's home, firing rockets at his— local mayor's home, firing rockets at his wife and small emrarem— rockets at his wife and small emrarem .— rockets at his wife and small children . that's— rockets at his wife and small children . that's what the police children. that's what the police have— children. that's what the police have sam— children. that's what the police have said. this— children. that's what the police have said. this historic vreremee— have said. this historic violence follows, of course, the rear — violence follows, of course, the rear er— violence follows, of course, the death of teenager— violence follows, of course, the death of teenager nana merzouk, eme— death of teenager nana merzouk, wme wa— death of teenager nana merzouk, wme emer— death of teenager nana merzouk, wme me by— death of teenager nana merzouk, who was shot by police during a raffle— who was shot by police during a raffle eree— who was shot by police during a raffle eree m— who was shot by police during a traffic stop in paris— who was shot by police during a traffic stop in paris on rweeaay.— traffic stop in paris on tuesday. so - traffic stop in paris on tuesday. so joining me now from rramee— tuesday. so joining me now from rramee re— tuesday. so joining me now from france is political— tuesday. so joining me now from france is political broadcaster : earrer— france is political broadcaster : eerrer ar— france is political broadcaster : eerrer ar re— france is political broadcaster

, editor at le journal du simmere— , editor at le journal du dimanche, anthony andre , i think dimanche, anthony andre, i think i've dimanche, anthony andre, i think me eer— dimanche, anthony andre, i think me eer mar— dimanche, anthony andre, i think i've got that right.— dimanche, anthony andre, i think i've got that right. thank you very— i've got that right. thank you very meem— i've got that right. thank you very much indeed forjoining me. now!— very much indeed forjoining me. wew: r— very much indeed forjoining me. wew: r read— very much indeed forjoining me. now, i read that— very much indeed forjoining me. now, i read that the interior mmrerer— now, i read that the interior mmrerer m— now, i read that the interior minister in france said it was a earm— minister in france said it was a cam mem— minister in france said it was a cam mem ear— minister in france said it was a calm night, but as— minister in france said it was a calm night, but as i just read ear— calm night, but as i just read out r— calm night, but as i just read ear : mere— calm night, but as i just read out , there were— calm night, but as i just read out , there were a— calm night, but as i just read out , there were a huge number of out, there were a huge number of areeer— out, there were a huge number of areeer . ama— out, there were a huge number of arrests . and of— out, there were a huge number of arrests . and of course, there arrests. and of course, there me— arrests. and of course, there was the incident— arrests. and of course, there was the incident with a local mayer— was the incident with a local wayer m— was the incident with a local mayor in paris.— was the incident with a local mayor in paris. can you tell me e — mayor in paris. can you tell me e ves- — mayor in paris. can you tell me more ? yes. the— mayor in paris. can you tell me more ? 4.35 the situation was a more? yes. the situation was a warre— more? yes. the situation was a we a— more? yes. the situation was a little a little _ more? yes. the situation was a little a little a— more? yes. the situation was a little a little a little— more? 4.35 the situation was a little a little a little less werem— little a little a little less violent than _ little a little a little less violent than the other night. ear— violent than the other night. ear mere— violent than the other night. but there are— violent than the other night. but there are still— violent than the other night. but there are still a- violent than the other night. but there are still a lot- violent than the other night. but there are still a lot of riots in in some point. not in every cities. there is less cities who are impacted by the riots and the riots are less important because policemen made arrests, more arrests before a riot can can spread everywhere. but there is one fact is very , but there is one fact is very, very, very , very worried. it's very, very, very worried. it's a mayor of a of a town. le heros, his family were were attacked in in his house during the night.

and his wife and his two children are to left at the house in emergency because there was fire in the house and this is what is very shocking thing this morning. and every every mayors in france wants that at the state. and emmanuel macron take take more , more, more, take take more, more, more, more, more measures to stop the chaos. and more, more measures to stop the chaos . and of course, france is chaos. and of course, france is aree— chaos. and of course, france is aree rewrrer— t and of course, france is a top tourist destination for mmem— a top tourist destination for british people— a top tourist destination for british people ._ a top tourist destination for british people . i've lived in british people. i've lived in rrame— british people. i've lived in france, actually,- british people. i've lived in france, actually, and spent warre— france, actually, and spent were a— france, actually, and spent were a rer— france, actually, and spent quite a lot of— france, actually, and spent quite a lot of time there. this rem-r— quite a lot of time there. this rem-r me— quite a lot of time there. this isn't the first— quite a lot of time there. this isn't the first time that we've seen clashes _ isn't the first time that we've seen clashes between those of argerram— seen clashes between those of algerian descent— seen clashes between those of algerian descent and the french pence.— algerian descent and the french eerree. re— algerian descent and the french eerree. re ra— algerian descent and the french eerree. re re — algerian descent and the french police. is it ? it's— algerian descent and the french police. is it ? c c algerian descent and the french police. is it ? police. is it? it's not it's not only a problem of, you know, immigration , all that stuff like immigration, all that stuff like everybody wants to tell it. but it's more than there are several rioters. you know there are young people from the suburbs, but there are also we have seen in france, some some. right.

right extremist militants that that that leads riots in some cities. so it's very confused to know exactly who is who is behind the rioters every day. and what what is what is clear is that the tourism is very impacted by the this chaos in france. and we have the olympic games next year. so it's a great problem for french authorities because the picture that you show and that is shown in every tv in the world is for france very , very difficult to manage. very, very difficult to manage. yes. it's very distressing for mmem— yes. it's very distressing for british people— yes. it's very distressing for british people to see these images— british people to see these images coming— british people to see these images coming from france. our ereeeer— images coming from france. our closest neighbour— images coming from france. our closest neighbour here. what aeee— closest neighbour here. what eeee ame— closest neighbour here. what does this there's— closest neighbour here. what does this there's been a lot of eemmemary— does this there's been a lot of commentary about what this tells us commentary about what this tells we arrear— commentary about what this tells us about france— commentary about what this tells us about france ._ commentary about what this tells us about france . it— commentary about what this tells us about france . it appears to us about france. it appears to be us about france. it appears to re a— us about france. it appears to be a tinderbox_ us about france. it appears to be a tinderbox in— us about france. it appears to be a tinderbox in some ways in rerme— be a tinderbox in some ways in rerme er— be a tinderbox in some ways in rerme er reae— be a tinderbox in some ways in terms of race relations. perhaps whar— terms of race relations. perhaps wrrar am— terms of race relations. perhaps

wrrar ame— terms of race relations. perhaps what can this tell— terms of race relations. perhaps what can this tell us? what's happened— what can this tell us? what's happened ee— what can this tell us? what's happened over the last five days— happened over the last five aayee whar— happened over the last five days? what can— happened over the last five days? what can this tell us aberr— days? what can this tell us aeewr me— days? what can this tell us about the state— days? what can this tell us about the state of race rerarrem— about the state of race relations in— about the state of race relations in france as france? vea— relations in france as france? vea mew.— relations in france as france? we knew we— relations in france as france? you know, it's difficult- relations in france as france? you know, it's difficult to- you know, it's difficult to clarify this . there is in france clarify this. there is in france a lot of anger because we are the a lot of contestation these these months about the retreats reform. and we have a political situation which is very , very situation which is very, very difficult to very, very dominated by the extremists. you are the extreme right with marine le pen and extreme left with jean—luc melancon and both of them are trying to make the to take the to take the opportunity of this riots . to opportunity of this riots. to make their their own business. you know and it's very difficult because as emmanuel macron is very alone . he's so alone and very alone. he's so alone and there is two extremist parties who are blowing on the on the

fire. so yeah, it's difficult attempting to capitalise perhaps . imean, attempting to capitalise perhaps . i mean, for those listening on me— . i mean, for those listening on me were:— . i mean, for those listening on the radio, we're— i mean, for those listening on the radio, we're looking at images— the radio, we're looking at images across— the radio, we're looking at images across france , i believe. images across france, i believe. rm— images across france, i believe. r-m mer— images across france, i believe. r-m mer ewe— images across france, i believe. r-m mer m— images across france, i believe. i'm not sure if this— images across france, i believe. i'm not sure if this is paris ear— i'm not sure if this is paris ear seeme— i'm not sure if this is paris but seeing bins— i'm not sure if this is paris but seeing bins is alight, seeme— but seeing bins is alight, eeemg eeeere— but seeing bins is alight, seeing people looting shops. it aeee— seeing people looting shops. it eeee reek— seeing people looting shops. it does look looking— seeing people looting shops. it does look looking at these images— does look looking at these rmagee ra— does look looking at these images, it does— does look looking at these images, it does look close to a r— images, it does look close to a rr re— images, it does look close to a war zone. it is quite tragic to se— war zone. it is quite tragic to se yew— war zone. it is quite tragic to see. so you mentioned far left ame— see. so you mentioned far left are me— see. so you mentioned far left are am far— see. so you mentioned far left and the far right— see. so you mentioned far left and the far right is marine le rem— and the far right is marine le pen capitalising_ and the far right is marine le pen capitalising from this ? what pen capitalising from this? what has me— pen capitalising from this? what has me seem— pen capitalising from this? what has she been saying in response to has she been saying in response re ame— has she been saying in response re mm mm— has she been saying in response to this this outbreak of weremee— to this this outbreak of violence ? _ to this this outbreak of violence ? to this this outbreak of- violence ? um, she you know, violence? um, she you know, marine le pen, she's always saying if i were in the power , i saying if i were in the power, i would do that. i would do that . would do that. i would do that. you have to do this. you have to do that. but in reality, she has not already a plan . to take to not already a plan. to take to take back the situation . and take back the situation. and she's not a solution on issue . she's not a solution on issue. but you know, she's in the opposition so she can blow on

the fire and tell everything she wants because she's not in charge. so it's for her, it's all benefits and that that's what is very dangerous and why emmanuel macron has to do something, because the more the riots are during, the more marine le pen will will grow in the in the polls and in the opinion. but she has not a lot of solution. you know she's just saying that it is immigration, that it saying that it is immigration, thatitis saying that it is immigration, that it is violence that the police men are not support enough. police men are not support enough . but it's just in enough. but it's just in quotation, it's just a prior prayers, but not a very, very deep solution or very real solutions. okay. deep solution or very real solutions . okay. thank you very solutions. okay. thank you very meem— solutions. okay. thank you very mwem maeea— solutions. okay. thank you very much indeed for— okay. thank you very much indeed forjoining us from much indeed for joining us from rramee— much indeed for joining us from france on tonight. _ much indeed for joining us from france on tonight. andre, there a memem— france on tonight. andre, there a french journalist. well, i'd ure— a french journalist. well, i'd we re— a french journalist. well, i'd we re bring— a french journalist. well, i'd like to bring in— a french journalist. well, i'd like to bring in my panel on me.— like to bring in my panel on rare. we-we— like to bring in my panel on this. we've been— like to bring in my panel on this. we've been discussing this me— this. we've been discussing this me eaer— this. we've been discussing this over the past few— this. we've been discussing this over the past few days . and i over the past few days. and i have— over the past few days. and i have wim— over the past few days. and i have with me— over the past few days. and i have with me aaron bastani from weaa— have with me aaron bastani from weaa meara— have with me aaron bastani from novara media and— have with me aaron bastani from novara media and also darren errmee— novara media and also darren errmee ee— novara media and also darren grimes, gb news— novara media and also darren grimes, gb news present and ramaerre— grimes, gb news present and fantastic political commentator rarer.— fantastic political commentator

rarer. se— fantastic political commentator later. so listening— fantastic political commentator later. so listening to what the memem — later. so listening to what the french journalist— later. so listening to what the french journalist there had to say,— french journalist there had to say, darren— french journalist there had to say, darren, one— french journalist there had to say, darren, one of the conversations- say, darren, one of the conversations that obviously has ear— conversations that obviously has ear er— conversations that obviously has come out of this— conversations that obviously has come out of this is— conversations that obviously has come out of this is would this mapper— come out of this is would this happen rerea— come out of this is would this happen here? is— come out of this is would this happen here? is this a problem eeeeme— happen here? is this a problem eeeeme re— happen here? is this a problem specific to france— happen here? is this a problem specific to france and the way mar— specific to france and the way mar rmey— specific to france and the way that they manage— that they manage multiculturalism that at a emeerme— multiculturalism that at a emeermg am— multiculturalism that at a shooting an unlawful shooting, rrem — shooting an unlawful shooting, rrem whar— shooting an unlawful shooting, rrem war we— shooting an unlawful shooting, from what we understand , has from what we understand, has seem— from what we understand, has been arre— from what we understand, has seen are re. — from what we understand, has been able to. well snowball into ereme— been able to. well snowball into ereme mere— been able to. well snowball into extreme riots across the country 7 extreme riots across the country e wen.— extreme riots across the country e war from — extreme riots across the country ? well, from what— extreme riots across the country ? well, from what i- extreme riots across the country ? well, from what i understand it, the young lad was told in the car, don't drive off or you'll be shot. and the young lad you'll be shot. and the young at arewe— you'll be shot. and the young lad drove off.— you'll be shot. and the young lad drove off. if— you'll be shot. and the young lad drove off. if a— ct and the young lad drove off. if a police emeer— lad drove off. if a police officer tells— lad drove off. if a police officer tells me not to drive em. — officer tells me not to drive off. otherwise— officer tells me not to drive off. otherwise i'll be shot. weare— off. otherwise i'll be shot. rewre werr— off. otherwise i'll be shot. you're well be— off. otherwise i'll be shot. you're well be sure i wouldn't ame— you're well be sure i wouldn't arwe em.— you're well be sure i wouldn't arwe em. se— you're well be sure i wouldn't drive off. so i— you're well be sure i wouldn't drive off. so i think there's a eerram— drive off. so i think there's a eerram r— drive off. so i think there's a certain i would— drive off. so i think there's a certain i would say that he smeare— certain i would say that he emewre mer— certain i would say that he should not have- certain i would say that he should not have shot anyway in any— should not have shot anyway in any r— should not have shot anyway in any case, i don't.— should not have shot anyway in any case, i don't. yes, but i eawarry.— any case, i don't. yes, but i eawarry. rew— any case, i don't. yes, but i equally. you obey the law, meme— equally. you obey the law, meme mar— equally. you obey the law, right? that police officer has a weaee— right? that police officer has a weaee rer— right? that police officer has a weaee er a— right? that police officer has a weapon for a reason. and i'm afraid— weapon for a reason. and i'm afraid me— weapon for a reason. and i'm afraid the law— weapon for a reason. and i'm afraid the law wasn't followed mere. — afraid the law wasn't followed mere. se — afraid the law wasn't followed mere. se a— afraid the law wasn't followed here. so a lot— afraid the law wasn't followed here. so a lot of— afraid the law wasn't followed here. so a lot of people are eaymg— here. so a lot of people are eaymg :— here. so a lot of people are eaymg , were— here. so a lot of people are saying , well, hang on a minute. saying, well, hang on a minute. vea— saying, well, hang on a minute. wea-m— saying, well, hang on a minute. wea-m ye-re— saying, well, hang on a minute. wea-m yew-re-rei you know, if you're going to weak— you know, if you're going to weak-raw:— you know, if you're going to break-law,-are- you know, if you're going to. break-law,-are going break the law, there are going to.repercussions- break the law, there are going to.repercussions .- break the law, there are going

to repercussions . i accept to be repercussions. i accept mar.— to be repercussions. i accept mar-may— to be repercussions. i accept mar-may mer- to be repercussions. i accept that.-may not-to. to be repercussions. i accept. that.-may not-to the that. that may not lead to the rese— that. that may not lead to the reee er— that. that may not lead to the reee er ure— that. that may not lead to the reee er rrre :— that. that may not lead to the loss of life , but— that. that may not lead to the loss of life , but still, he loss of life, but still, he brewe— loss of life, but still, he were me— loss of life, but still, he broke the law- loss of life, but still, he broke the law . now, on the point broke the law. now, on the point were— broke the law. now, on the point were arrear— broke the law. now, on the point there about whether or not it'll mapper— there about whether or not it'll happen mere:— there about whether or not it'll happen here, we've seen disputes on happen here, we've seen disputes em me— happen here, we've seen disputes em we seem— happen here, we've seen disputes on the streets of— happen here, we've seen disputes on the streets of london over ram— on the streets of london over ram rer— on the streets of london over iran, for example. _ on the streets of london over iran, for example. people pro me— iran, for example. people pro me regime:— iran, for example. people pro the regime, people against the regime— the regime, people against the regime .— the regime, people against the regrme . we-we— the regime, people against the regime . we've seen in leicester, regime. we've seen in leicester, eeeerre— regime. we've seen in leicester, eeeerre meme— regime. we've seen in leicester, despite fights between muslim eemmwmrree— despite fights between muslim communities and other communities. - communities and other communities. and you start to mme— communities. and you start to mm: wry— communities. and you start to mm: why are— communities. and you start to think, why are we— communities. and you start to think, why are we importing rmeee— think, why are we importing these problems— think, why are we importing these problems into britain , these problems into britain, rare— these problems into britain, me me— these problems into britain, into the streets— these problems into britain, into the streets of britain and making— into the streets of britain and mammg rmmge— into the streets of britain and making things here in this eewmry— making things here in this eewmry a— making things here in this country a drama where none need emer— country a drama where none need ewer: mar— country a drama where none need ewer: mar re— country a drama where none need exist, that is where— country a drama where none need exist, that is where people erarr— exist, that is where people erarr re— exist, that is where people erarr re se— exist, that is where people start to see similarities eerweem— start to see similarities between what's happening in rramee— between what's happening in rramee ama— between what's happening in france and what's happening in this france and what's happening in mm eewmry— france and what's happening in mm eewmry .— france and what's happening in this country . and— france and what's happening in this country . and that's where this country. and that's where i mme— this country. and that's where i rmmw we— this country. and that's where i think we should— this country. and that's where i think we should be concerned mar— think we should be concerned mar eemaee— think we should be concerned that perhaps something could mapper— that perhaps something could happen wre— that perhaps something could happen we r— that perhaps something could happen like it did 2011. happen like it did in 2011. again— happen like it did in 2011. again aaron. _ happen like it did in 2011. again aaron. th:r again aaron. do you think there's any country that manages multiculturalism ? um, well, do multiculturalism? um, well, do you think that france has specific problems? we know that the bannau are highly

segregated. we know there are people of north african descent, former colonies living in estates outside of the main city centre , and there's clearly huge centre, and there's clearly huge grievances. yeah, centre, and there's clearly huge grievances . yeah, well, i think grievances. yeah, well, i think errram— grievances. yeah, well, i think errram eeee— grievances. yeah, well, i think britain does pretty— gt yeah, well, i think britain does pretty well. i amm— britain does pretty well. i rmmw we— britain does pretty well. i think we do— britain does pretty well. i think we do a— britain does pretty well. i think we do a sight better than rramee— think we do a sight better than rramee mer— think we do a sight better than rramee we a— think we do a sight better than france. just a few— think we do a sight better than france. just a few points with regards— france. just a few points with regards re— france. just a few points with regards to that— france. just a few points with regards to that gentleman said he regards to that gentleman said we was— regards to that gentleman said we very— regards to that gentleman said we wery me— regards to that gentleman said he was very he didn't really say amyrmmg—rr-s- anything of interest. it's rearry— anything of interest. it's really important anything of interest. it's- really important-emmanuel really important to say emmanuel waerem— really important to say emmanuel maser—mas— really important to say emmanuel macron _ has called i really important to say emmanuel macron—has called .i macron has ontanon has called. he macron has ontanon has called. re earrea— macron has ontanon has called. he called this— macron has ontanon has called. he called this shooting. the eresraem— he called this shooting. the president inexplicable and inexcusable— president inexplicable and inexcusable ._ president inexplicable and inexcusable . double. yes. ' r: inexcusable. double. yes. and mem— inexcusable. double. yes. and mem mar— inexcusable. double. yes. and then that gentleman from journal du dimanche is saying that all this is about the extremes polarised debate. the president, rresraem— polarised debate. the president, president macron,— polarised debate. the president, president macron, has— : : the president, president macron, has said this m— president macron, has said this was in excusable. _ president macron, has said this was in excusable. and i think mar-s— was in excusable. and i think was a— was in excusable. and i think that's a really— was in excusable. and i think that's a really important point. do that's a really important point. de yea— that's a really important point. so yea mme— that's a really important point. do you think that's— that's a really important point. do you think that's not- that's a really important point. do you think that's not the- do you think that's not the right thing to say? i do think it's the right thing to say. their own towns and cities, no, no, no. he said the killing was inexcusable. _ no, no. he said the killing was inexcusable. oh,— no, no. he said the killing was inexcusable. oh, right.- he said the killing was inexcusable. cj" 3 cj�*" inexcusable. oh, right. of course. yes > so and inexcusable. oh, right. of- course. yes > so and-also course. yes > so and it's also rmeerram— course. yes > so and it's also rmeerram re— course. yes > so and it's also important to say— course. yes > so and it's also important to say this,- ec». 4.35 > so and it's also important to say this, police emeer: — important to say this, police officer,-seems- important to say this, police officer, seems right now officer, is it seems right now merr— officer, is it seems right now he'll-murder- officer, is it seems right now. he'll-murder charges. he'll be facing murder charges. wes— he'll be facing murder charges. res-m— he'll be facing murder charges. he's-in pre—trial- he's been put in pre—trial aeremrem.— he's been put in pre—trial detention-is- he's been put in pre—trial detention.-is a- he's been put in pre—trial detention. is a very detention. this is a very serious matter- detention. this is a very serious matter now, not serious matter. now, i'm not saying— serious matter. now, i'm not sayme-exewses- serious matter. now, i'm not saying excuses of this

saying that excuses any of this :-wewra— saying that excuses any of this :-wewre mave— saying that excuses any of this , would have thought for a , but i would have thought for a memem— , but i would have thought for a french commenting on french journalist commenting on this french journalist commenting on wars—memem- french journalist commenting on this—mention that. french journalist commenting on this—mention that i. this to not even mention that i ema— this to not even mention that i rme quite— this to not even mention that i find quite striking, frankly , find quite striking, frankly, eeeawse— find quite striking, frankly, because what's catalysed because that's what's catalysed all because that's what's catalysed arr-m— because that's what's catalysed arr-m rerms— because that's what's catalysed all-in terms of- because that's what's catalysed all in terms of could it all of this in terms of could it mapper— all of this in terms of could it mapper-r— all of this in terms of could it mapper-r mme- all of this in terms of could it happen i think the big happen here? i think the big difference— happen here? i think the big difference between us france difference between us and france is difference between us and france rs-mawe— difference between us and france rs-mawe sore— difference between us and france is-have 20% youth- is that they have 20% youth unemployment— is that they have 20% youth unemployment and youth unemployment and 20% youth wmemereymem.— unemployment and 20% youth unemployment. younger unemployment. obviously younger eeeere— unemployment. obviously younger eeeere reme— unemployment. obviously younger eeeere reme re— unemployment. obviously younger people tend to be— unemployment. obviously younger people tend to be more ethnically,— people tend to be more ethnically, ethnically diverse eeeawse— ethnically, ethnically diverse eeeawse er— ethnically, ethnically diverse because of high— ethnically, ethnically diverse because of high birth rates. mar-s— because of high birth rates. mars-as- because of high birth rates. that's-as-ofi that's true here as well, of las— that's true here as well, of course. -it's very- that's true here as well, of course. it's very much the course. but it's very much the ease-m— course. but it's very much the ease-m rramee- course. but it's very much the case in france. you've case over in france. so you've ger— case over in france. so you've eer mam— case over in france. so you've got much higher— case over in france. so you've got much higher 20% got much higher than 20% unemployment— unemployment amongst overwhelmingly, we would call mem — overwhelmingly, we would call mem same— overwhelmingly, we would call them bame people in this eewmry.— them bame people in this eewmry. m— them bame people in this country. in larger cities . and country. in larger cities. and mar— country. in larger cities. and mar-a— country. in larger cities. and that-a tinderbox. - country. in larger cities. and that a tinderbox. and we that is a tinderbox. and we eem-r— that is a tinderbox. and we eem-r-same- that is a tinderbox. and we don't same thing that is a tinderbox. and we- don't-same thing here. don't have the same thing here. reek:— don't have the same thing here. reewlrerres— don't have the same thing here. look,-tories have- don't have the same thing here. look, tories have many look, the tories have got many remas— look, the tories have got many rmmgs wremg— look, the tories have got many things wrong over— look, the tories have got many things wrong over the last 13 years— things wrong over the last 13 years. unemployment isn't years. youth unemployment isn't one years. youth unemployment isn't ee- r— years. youth unemployment isn't ee- r-rr- years. youth unemployment isn't ee- r-rrramsi one of them. i think it runs deeper than the question of poverty unemployment. poverty and unemployment. i think that is obviously huge think that is obviously a huge issue and will be one of the reasons why people are willing who like they've got reasons why people are willing wstake like they've got reasons why people are willing wstake in like they've got reasons why people are willing wstake in societye they've got reasons why people are willing wstake in society quite we got a stake in society quite clearly. but darren, i do think and i've spoken to french and i've spoken to many french people this, lived in people about this, i've lived in france. is a sense among france. there is a sense among some minority communities that they fully french. is

they don't feel fully french. is that the fault of the french government and their policies, which tend to be more assimilate or nothing? or is that it? the consequence is that just natural consequence is that just natural consequence of having immigrant immigration, immigrant populations in your country? i don't think, you know, looking at don't think, you know, looking ar me— don't think, you know, looking at the scenes— don't think, you know, looking at the scenes that we're seeing on screen for our— at the scenes that we're seeing on screen for our radio rrsremers— on screen for our radio listeners, 12- on screen for our radio listeners, 12 to 13 year olds, emmy:— listeners, 12 to 13 year olds, rmrry, mave— listeners, 12 to 13 year olds, emily, have been arrested for mem— emily, have been arrested for arson. right they're not merwaee— arson. right they're not included in— arson. right they're not included in employment figures. meme— included in employment figures. meme vea— included in employment figures. right? you can't— included in employment figures. right? you can't say unemployment. right? you can't say- unemployment. the bedrock right? you can't say— unemployment. the bedrock of what's happening is clearly not 12 to 13 olds. or is it 12 to 13 year olds. or is it darren? there— 12 to 13 year olds. or is it darren? there are- �*ij �*1’5 : or is it darren? there are many of them on darren? there are many of them em-srreers. — darren? there are many of them on - streets. they're - darren? there are many of them on streets. they're burning. on the streets. they're burning. readers—ama— on the streets. they're burning. leaders—and doing. on the streets. they're burning. j leaders—and doing all leaders are kyrees and doing all the of it. young men. and the rest of it. young men. and actually, if we look at those images there, i think it shows that this is clearly a community, an entire group of people who are saying, you know, i'm going to use this as an excuse to rob to steal, to loot, to burn , to destroy, and to burn, to destroy, and actually , i don't think there actually, i don't think there can ever be any justification for that. but you had your own experience in france where

you've seen communities that have been almost ghettoised, right , where they are on the right, where they are on the outskirts of paris, based far removed from society from day to day life . but on that day life. but on that fundamental point of saying, is it france's fault for saying take it or leave it, what do we expect france to say ? or do we expect france to say? or do we expect france to say? or do we expect france to bend to cultures and societies in cities around the world? or do we expect france to be france? if you want to live in france, of course, you should expect, i feel, to adopt french culture. i feel, to adopt french culture. i feel like we're talking at cross purposes here because i'm not suggesting you shouldn't. but what i'm saying is i was 33 g 3" c but what i'm saying is i was asked, wear-s— what i'm saying is i was asked, what's—betweenl what's the difference between rramee—r- what's the difference between france _ i don't i france and britain? i don't mme— france and britain? i don't rmmw rms— france and britain? i don't think this could happen in errram— think this could happen in swam-er- think this could happen in britain-of the- think this could happen in- britain-of the economic britain because of the economic eemarrrems— conditions for younger people. now:— conditions for younger people.j new—aeewr now, what you just said about mreerarrem— now, what you just said about integration and— now, what you just said about integration and on, all integration and so on, all magery— integration and so on, all hugely important. but when a young— hugely important. but when ai yewmg—mamea young man is 29, he's married, he young man is 29, he's married, me-a— young man is 29, he's married, me-a emira— young man is 29, he's married, he-a child, he— young man is 29, he's married, he-a child, he has- young man is 29, he's married, he a child, he has house, he has a child, he has a house, mas— he has a child, he has a house, has a— he has a child, he has a house, has a merrgage:— he has a child, he has a house, has a mortgage, he's obviously a lot has a mortgage, he's obviously a rer-rwery— has a mortgage, he's obviously a rer-rwery re— has a mortgage, he's obviously a lot-likely to .out- has a mortgage, he's obviously a lot likely to out and do lot less likely to go out and do ems— lot less likely to go out and do was burning— lot less likely to go out and do this burning stuff.— lot less likely to go out and do this burning stuff. okay. so i agree— this burning stuff. okay. so i agree wim— this burning stuff. okay. so i agree wrm yew— this burning stuff. okay. so i agree with you to an extent, but i agree with you to an extent, but r eem-r— agree with you to an extent, but r aem-r emm— agree with you to an extent, but i don't think it's—

agree with you to an extent, but i don't think it's an— agree with you to an extent, but i don't think it's an either or mere.— i don't think it's an either or here are— i don't think it's an either or mere. ame r— i don't think it's an either or here. and i-look,- i don't think it's an either or here. and i look, i'm half here. and i do. look, i'm half ramam— here. and i do. look, i'm half iranian-idea— here. and i do. look, i'm half iranian. -idea that- here. and i do. look, i'm half iranian. idea that my father iranian. the idea that my father weara—eewmry- iranian. the idea that my father would—country and would come to this country and mem— would come to this country and rmemlwewra— would come to this country and then iwould do— would come to this country and then would do something like then i would do something like earm— then i would do something like earmlewrramg— then i would do something like burn building clearly is burn a building clearly is unacceptable. cit" burn a building clearly is- unacceptable. -on that unacceptable. well, on that note, much note, thank you very much indeed. was great indeed. that was a great conversation. of conversation. i think lots of you have getting in touch you have been getting in touch with thoughts with your thoughts at home. johnny has to say over 2000 people have been arrested. i hope an example of hope they make an example of every otherwise, every single one. otherwise, this will only get worse. jane says. has said says. the french mayor has said that protests have tried says. the french mayor has said thrassassinate otests have tried says. the french mayor has said thrassassinate his.ts have tried says. the french mayor has said thrassassinate his family; tried says. the french mayor has said thrassassinate his family .tried to assassinate his family. what's it got to do with them? it's time to call in the army. well, that's very interesting it's time to call in the army. wel say at's very interesting it's time to call in the army. wel say that lery interesting it's time to call in the army. wel say that because 'esting it's time to call in the army. wel say that because there| it's time to call in the army. wel say that because there are you say that because there are people the army to people calling for the army to take over the government, which, of course, would something of course, would be something that really happen that would never really happen in country. but of course, in this country. but of course, france has a very different history, of revolution. and history, one of revolution. and sarah we've had many riots sarah says we've had many riots in the uk over the last few decades, brixton riots and so on, but nothing compared to what i seeing over in france. yes, i am seeing over in france. yes, i've seen people compare this to 2011 we riots break 2011 where we saw riots break out moved to other out in london, moved to other cities this seem to be cities, but this does seem to be on another level and of course, many more police are

many more police officers are armed france and also many armed in france and also many more people on the streets seem to armed in france. louise to be armed in france. louise says france is on fire. we must do something to help none of this be justified . this violence can be justified. not sure what we can do to help. apart from solidarity , perhaps. apart from solidarity, perhaps. please do keep your views coming in. of course, you're watching and listening to gb sunday and listening to gb news sunday with emily carver. we've got with me, emily carver. we've got lots more coming up on today's show. the prime minister has unveiled the unveiled his plans to reform the health service, at least when it comes staff comes to addressing staff shortages. staff enough shortages. is more staff enough to save the nhs? how are we all going to pay for it? all of that and more to come. i'm emily carver. you're watching and listening

night. you're listening to gb news radio . welcome back to gb news radio. welcome back to gb wews— news radio. welcome back to gb wews sameay— news radio. welcome back to gb news sunday with— news radio. welcome back to gb news sunday with me,— \r ?tr: welcome back to gb news sunday with me, emily carver— news sunday with me, emily carver em— news sunday with me, emily carver em year— news sunday with me, emily carver on your tv online and rare— carver on your tv online and rare . — carver on your tv online and rare . se— carver on your tv online and radio . so the— carver on your tv online and radio . so the prime- carver on your tv online and radio . 37” ti :�* carver on your tv online and- radio . so the prime minister has radio. so the prime minister has unveiled plans to reform the health service, the 15 year nhs plan sets out measures to plug a black hole of up to 360,000

staff. he's going to do this by creating a pool of junior and apprentice roles that will help speed up clinical training. the strategy is the first long term workforce initiative for the health and is backed health service and is backed by a staggering £24 billion. but can an nhs on life support be saved? discuss this further. i'm now joined by gp and chair of coventry local medical committee, dr. gavin shields. thank you very much, doctor , for thank you very much, doctor, for joining me. let me just get your your take on what we've heard from the government and from nhs england, because this is nhs england's plan, isn't it, rather than the government's plan ? than the government's plan? yes, that's right . well, the yes, that's right. well, the rare— yes, that's right. well, the take on it this is a large, ambitious plan for increasing recruit talent and training of staff in the nhs. we're aware that staff in the nhs. we're aware mar ama— staff in the nhs. we're aware that and let's— staff in the nhs. we're aware that and let's give— staff in the nhs. we're aware that and let's give it- :�* \r we're aware that and let's give it credit, it that and let's give it credit, rr gees— that and let's give it credit, it does recognise that we have a rwmeamemar— it does recognise that we have a fundamental problem. �*vw�*rt; e�*jiil fundamental problem. we are over rooeeo— fundamental problem. we are over 100,000 colleagues short in the nhs at the moment and that's likely to rise up to about

350,000 over the next decade or so . so it does recognise that we so. so it does recognise that we have a serious problem due to failures of funding. going back over the last 1015 years and it is ambitious , it is important is ambitious, it is important and it does recognise the importance of staff. but i do have a lot of concerns about it. i mean first of all we need some urgent support. now. this is very long term plan and also so in the nhs we've all seen so many changes and reforms come and go with different governments. iwould and go with different governments. i would really want aeemmrrmem— governments. i would really want a commitment of— governments. i would really want a commitment of some- g i would really want a commitment of some cross—party suprem— a commitment of some cross—party sweeerr er— a commitment of some cross—party support of continuity— a commitment of some cross—party support of continuity of this pram— support of continuity of this plan because— support of continuity of this plan because what we don't want is a— plan because what we don't want is a recruitment— plan because what we don't want is a recruitment plan that then gees— is a recruitment plan that then gets overturned _ is a recruitment plan that then gets overturned by other governments. _ gets overturned by other governments. it also does not do emewgm— governments. it also does not do emewgm re— governments. it also does not do enough to address— governments. it also does not do enough to address retention . enough to address retention. warr— enough to address retention. werr. earm— enough to address retention. werr. eawm r— enough to address retention. well, gavin, i mean- enough to address retention. well, gavin, i mean wes- well, gavin, i mean wes streeting, the shadow health minister, he's given it his support. i think he said it's nice that they've done what labour's been calling on the government to do . what do you government to do. what do you mean in terms of urgent support

now are you talking about st retention of staff that are thinking about leaving? are you talking about recruiting from abroad ? what could the abroad? what could the government actually do right now that would could well reduce the waiting lists that would make the nhs work for us? i think there's a number— the nhs work for us? i think there's a number of- \r “57 i think there's a number of things. rrrsr— there's a number of things. rrrsr er— there's a number of things. first of all,— there's a number of things. first of all, it's— there's a number of things. first of all, it's retention eeeawse— first of all, it's retention eeeawse rs— first of all, it's retention because is this- first of all, it's retention because is this is this is an emgemg— because is this is this is an emgemg pram— because is this is this is an ongoing plan. it's going to take a reag— ongoing plan. it's going to take a remg arme— ongoing plan. it's going to take a remg rrme re— ongoing plan. it's going to take a long time to recruit this seam— a long time to recruit this seam ame— a long time to recruit this staff and to— a long time to recruit this staff and to train this staff. we-we— staff and to train this staff. we-we ger— staff and to train this staff. we-we ger re — staff and to train this staff. we've got to stop staff leaving sram— we've got to stop staff leaving now. staff are— we've got to stop staff leaving now. staff are leaving for many reasons. one of— now. staff are leaving for many reasons. one of those is pay . reasons. one of those is pay. me— reasons. one of those is pay. me was— reasons. one of those is pay. and this really— reasons. one of those is pay. and this really doesn't address mar— and this really doesn't address mar rsswe— and this really doesn't address that issue at— and this really doesn't address that issue at all.— and this really doesn't address that issue at all. if colleagues rrammg— that issue at all. if colleagues rrammg ame— that issue at all. if colleagues training and coming off train in the training and coming off train in me wws— training and coming off train in the nhs realise— training and coming off train in the nhs realise they can get bearer— the nhs realise they can get eerrer gay— the nhs realise they can get eerrer eay ama— the nhs realise they can get better pay and safer working eemarrrems— better pay and safer working conditions abroad , it's very, conditions abroad, it's very, very— conditions abroad, it's very, very difficult— conditions abroad, it's very, very difficult persuading them to very difficult persuading them re sray. — very difficult persuading them re sray. se— very difficult persuading them re sray. se we— very difficult persuading them to stay. so we are haemorrhaging sram— to stay. so we are haemorrhaging seam ame— to stay. so we are haemorrhaging staff and that— to stay. so we are haemorrhaging staff and that needs to change. we— staff and that needs to change. we emer— staff and that needs to change. the other thing— staff and that needs to change. the other thing is— staff and that needs to change. the other thing is we really do need— the other thing is we really do need alongside— the other thing is we really do need alongside a— the other thing is we really do need alongside a staff plan, a reag— need alongside a staff plan, a remg rerm— need alongside a staff plan, a remg rerm gram— need alongside a staff plan, a long term plan with estates and a reag— long term plan with estates and

a remg rerm— long term plan with estates and a remg rerm pram— long term plan with estates and a long term plan with support for a long term plan with support rer mar:— a long term plan with support for that, we're— a long term plan with support for that, we're bursting at the seams where are _ for that, we're bursting at the seams where are we going to put all seams where are we going to put arr rmese— seams where are we going to put all these extra— seams where are we going to put all these extra staff? who's going— all these extra staff? who's gemg re— all these extra staff? who's gemg re re— all these extra staff? who's going to be doing the mentoring and going to be doing the mentoring are-ws— going to be doing the mentoring are-res gemg- going to be doing the mentoring and-it's going to- and support? it's going to be rawmg— and support? it's going to be taking senior— and support? it's going to be taking senior out of the taking senior doctors out of the earrem— taking senior doctors out of the earrem :— taking senior doctors out of the earremr , raemg— taking senior doctors out of the patient , facing care to support patient, facing care to support ama— patient, facing care to support and ram— patient, facing care to support and train this— patient, facing care to support and train this extra staff. all of and train this extra staff. all er rms— and train this extra staff. all of this needs— and train this extra staff. all of this needs to— and train this extra staff. all of this needs to be thought emerge— of this needs to be thought rmewgm ama— of this needs to be thought through and worked through as prams—m— through and worked through as prams—m yew- through and worked through as plans-if you just- through and worked through as plans if you just look plans together. if you just look at plans together. if you just look ar me— plans together. if you just look ar me seam— plans together. if you just look at the staff numbers, that's a srarr. — at the staff numbers, that's a srarr. ear— at the staff numbers, that's a start. but without the estates , start. but without the estates, wrmewr— start. but without the estates, wrrmewr me — start. but without the estates, without the extra— start. but without the estates, without the extra support for rrammg — without the extra support for rrammg ama— without the extra support for training and without the proper reremrem— training and without the proper reremrem :— training and without the proper retention , then— training and without the proper retention , then this really is retention, then this really is going— retention, then this really is gemg re— retention, then this really is gemg re srarr— retention, then this really is going to start to— retention, then this really is going to start to unravel. i'm afraid— going to start to unravel. i'm afraid . — going to start to unravel. i'm afraid . well,— going to start to unravel. i'm afraid . well, thank- going to start to unravel. i'm afraid . �*vw�*rtgt q�*f�*e/é" going to start to unravel. i'm afraid . �*rw�*rt;.. q�*f�*e/é" 11in afraid. well, thank you very much for talking us through that and giving your view. that is dr. gavin shields , a gp and also dr. gavin shields, a gp and also chair of coventry local medical committee. need urgent help now as well as this workforce plan. but i think what he said about cross—party consensus is really, really important. i've got my panel back with me. aaron i read an article you were listening to what the doctor had to say, but i read an article here. you k doctors lured to australia with ads promising £130,000 salary

and days off to swim and surf. i don't know if you're a tiktok usen don't know if you're a tiktok user, but the ads are coming thick and fast. i don't know why they're targeting me, but they seem to they want our seem to be. they want our nurses. they our doctors. nurses. they want our doctors. god what else, how can the god knows what else, how can the nhs, you know , make retain more nhs, you know, make retain more staff and prevent them from going off to the sunny climate of australia? it's a great question. we are 112,000 people short. — question. we are 112,000 people short. r— question. we are 112,000 people short. rrhrnk— question. we are 112,000 people short. | think it's— c" we are 112,000 people short. i think it's about 50,000 nurses and it's— short. i think it's about 50,000 nurses and it's not— short. i think it's about 50,000 nurses and it's not just ausrrarra— nurses and it's not just australia ,_ nurses and it's not just australia , it's- nurses and it's not just australia , it's canada, it's the australia, it's canada, it's the us.— australia, it's canada, it's the us. rr-s— australia, it's canada, it's the us. rr-s rhe— australia, it's canada, it's the us, it's the gulf— australia, it's canada, it's the us, it's the gulf states too. were— us, it's the gulf states too. we-ve gor— us, it's the gulf states too. we-ve gor a— us, it's the gulf states too. we've got a similar problem, arberr— we've got a similar problem, albeit significantly smaller, wrrrr— albeit significantly smaller, with teachers. _ albeit significantly smaller, with teachers. these teachers , with teachers. these teachers, these— with teachers. these teachers, these — with teachers. these teachers, these are these— with teachers. these teachers, these are these are bedrock professrons— these are these are bedrock professions and— these are these are bedrock professions and occupations wrrrrour— professions and occupations without which— professions and occupations without which you can't really have— without which you can't really have a— without which you can't really have a country.— without which you can't really have a country. see whether or nor— have a country. see whether or nor we— have a country. see whether or eer we have— have a country. see whether or eer we have a— have a country. see whether or not we have a public health care system.— not we have a public health care system-reame- not we have a public health care system,-health care- system, private health care system. — system, private health care eyerem. vou— system, private health care system. you need nurses and decree.— system. you need nurses and decree. irr— system. you need nurses and doctors. .it is— system. you need nurses and doctors. .it is it— system. you need nurses and doctors..it is it is- system. you need nurses and doctors. it is it is deeply doctors. so it is it is deeply eeneemrng— doctors. so it is it is deeply concerning-the- doctors. so it is it is deeply concerning the low concerning for me, the low hengrng— concerning for me, the low hengrng-wrrh- concerning for me, the low hanging with nurses. hanging fruit with nurses. i weure— hanging fruit with nurses. i would -tuition- hanging fruit with nurses. i would tuition fees hanging fruit with nurses. i would -tuition fees i would scrap tuition fees and i weure— would scrap tuition fees and i worm—debr- i would scrap tuition fees and i. would—debt. you've would scrap student debt. you've got would scrap student debt. you've eer-new— would scrap student debt. you've got now graduating with, got nurses now graduating with, on average around— got nurses now graduating with, on average around £50,000 worth of-jus._ on average around £50,000 worth er-r-uer free— on average around £50,000 worth er-r-uer free rr— of debt. i just find it completely- of debt. i just find it completely absurd. i mean, of debt. ijust find it— completely absurd. i mean, maybe in completely absurd. i mean, maybe

rn rhe— completely absurd. i mean, maybe he the erron— completely absurd. i mean, maybe in the short term— completely absurd. i mean, maybe in the short term you might be abre— in the short term you might be eree-rhet— in the short term you might be able their repayments able to scrap their repayments or able to scrap their repayments er—rhem- able to scrap their repayments er—rhem ore- or you might give them 0% rerereer— or you might give them 0% rerereer er— or you might give them 0% interest or lower- or you might give them 0% interest or lower their interest rare.— interest or lower their interest rate r— interest or lower their interest rate r rhrnk— interest or lower their interest rate. i think in— interest or lower their interest rate. i think in the very short term.— rate. i think in the very short term. rrke— rate. i think in the very short term, like month. o" term, like next month. on that perm.— term, like next month. on that perm. sorry— term, like next month. on that perm. sorry to— term, like next month. on that point, sorry to interrupt, but older nurses do tend that. i speak to people who've been in the profession years and the profession for years and years do say why on years and years, do say why on earth do nurses even need degrees? yeah, mean, degrees? yeah, well, i mean, rere— degrees? yeah, well, i mean, rhrelre— degrees? yeah, well, i mean, rrrrelre be— degrees? yeah, well, i mean, this-to be fair,— degrees? yeah, well, i mean, this-to be fair, this- crtrgfilriilif’ yeah, well, i mean, this to be fair, this is. this is to be fair, this is. but— this is to be fair, this is. but apparently- this is to be fair, this is. but apparently that's like a controversial, massively controversial, massively controversial and controversial thing to say. and it's role. it's diminishing the role. but actually , you know, amount actually, you know, the amount of amount of time, of debt, the amount of time, it's for people it's really difficult for people who older years who are in their older years with families take with already families to take all time yeah i mean, all that time off. yeah i mean, part this is interesting, part of this is interesting, right? and i actually think rheee— right? and i actually think these reforms— right? and i actually think these reforms are- ” q7 and i actually think these reforms are really, really good. —rrrer- these reforms are really, reallyi good._that because good. i won't clip that because i good. i won't clip that because l_verv_ good. i won't clip that because r—very erren- good. i won't clip that because i_very often about| i won't say it very often about rererrr— i won't say it very often about rererrr smear.— i won't say it very often about rishi sunak, but,— i won't say it very often about rishi sunak, but, you know, the fee— rishi sunak, but, you know, the fact-medical— rishi sunak, but, you know, the fact medical degrees will rishi sunak, but, you know, the fac shorter, edical degrees will rishi sunak, but, you know, the fac shorter, there'll egrees will rishi sunak, but, you know, the fac shorter, there'll be ees will rishi sunak, but, you know, the facshorter, there'll be moreill be shorter, there'll be more apprenticeships. it goes to apprenticeships. so it goes to wear— apprenticeships. so it goes to wear you-e— apprenticeships. so it goes to what you're saying really. and if what you're saying really. and rr-reve— what you're saying really. and if-have-nursesl if we can have maybe nurses need one-unrvererry— if we can have maybe nurses need one university education one year of university education areneeree— alongside apprenticeships, i den-r— alongside apprenticeships, i deer—rm- alongside apprenticeships, i deer—rm ner| don't know. i'm not i'm not epeeurerrng— don't know. i'm not i'm not speculating what precisely we speculating on what precisely we steere— speculating on what precisely we storm-rur— speculating on what precisely we storm-bur r— speculating on what precisely we should-but i-that's- should do, but i think that's part— should do, but i think that's perr er— should do, but i think that's par or re— should do, but i think that's part of the issue— should do, but i think that's part of the issue for sure. but we-re— part of the issue for sure. but we-re-ebeur- we need to think about incentives— we need to think about incentives for- we need to think about incentives for right

we need to think about- incentives for- right now incentives for nurses right now because— incentives for nurses right now because rueu-re — incentives for nurses right now because they're just very low to say—veer.- because they're just very low to say—veer. rl stay in this country. yeah, i turnk— stay in this country. yeah, i think you're right. darren in looking bigger picture looking at the bigger picture there the tv screen, our big there on the tv screen, our big question, can the nhs be saved ? question, can the nhs be saved? i want to ask you whether it's worth saving . should we be worth saving. should we be looking at improving it in bigger ways? rishi sunak says this is radical reform. is it? we're being told time and again, remu— we're being told time and again, rmrry. vou— we're being told time and again, rmrry. you reor— we're being told time and again, emily, you hear it— we're being told time and again, emily, you hear it on this crooner— emily, you hear it on this crooner o— emily, you hear it on this channel a lot,- emily, you hear it on this channel a lot, which is this une— channel a lot, which is this we ee— channel a lot, which is this line we've got— channel a lot, which is this line we've got to- channel a lot, which is this line we've got to do x for the wus— line we've got to do x for the wus. wen.— line we've got to do x for the nhs. well, actually, i don't we— nhs. well, actually, i don't we or— nhs. well, actually, i don't live for the _ nhs. well, actually, i don't live for the nhs, right? i live to, live for the nhs, right? i live ro. you— live for the nhs, right? i live ro. you know.— live for the nhs, right? i live to, you know, be— live for the nhs, right? i live to, you know, be with my family. i to, you know, be with my family. r rue— to, you know, be with my family. r we or— to, you know, be with my family. r we or ou— to, you know, be with my family. i live for our lord— to, you know, be with my family. i live for our lord and saviour . wor— i live for our lord and saviour . nor for— i live for our lord and saviour . nor for o— i live for our lord and saviour , not for a health— i live for our lord and saviour , not for a health care system . , not for a health care system. anu— , not for a health care system. and r— , not for a health care system. and r rrwu— , not for a health care system. and i find that— , not for a health care system. and i find that extra ordinary. so and i find that extra ordinary. so r— and i find that extra ordinary. so r runw— and i find that extra ordinary. so i think we've— and i find that extra ordinary. so i think we've got to change the narrative.— so i think we've got to change the narrative. and— so i think we've got to change the narrative. and the only way you— the narrative. and the only way you soo— the narrative. and the only way you oo— the narrative. and the only way you can do that— the narrative. and the only way you can do that is— the narrative. and the only way you can do that is by reforming the you can do that is by reforming rrre sysrem— you can do that is by reforming the system itself— you can do that is by reforming the system itself .— you can do that is by reforming the system itself . if we're the system itself. if we're seerwo— the system itself. if we're seerwg oeoore— the system itself. if we're seeing people go to australia oeoouse— seeing people go to australia because they've _ seeing people go to australia because they've got lower taxes, ruey-we— because they've got lower taxes, ruey-we-uwwo- they've got better living conditions,— they've got better living conditions, country now conditions, this country now rr-s— conditions, this country now us working-— conditions, this country now it's working. let's be honest, rr-s— it's working. let's be honest, rr-s o— it's working. let's be honest, rr-s o rowe— it's working. let's be honest, rr-s o yoke .— it's working. let's be honest, it's a joke . it's— it's working. let's be honest, it's a joke . it's a— it's working. let's be honest, it's a joke . it's a farce. and it's a joke. it's a farce. and resur— it's a joke. it's a farce. and rishi sunak— it's a joke. it's a farce. and

rishi sunak says- it's a joke. it's a farce. and rishi sunak says actually not as worry— rishi sunak says actually not as many oeoore— rishi sunak says actually not as many oeoore ore— rishi sunak says actually not as many people are going to ausrrorro— many people are going to australia as— many people are going to australia as we are led to renewe— australia as we are led to believe. but— australia as we are led to believe. but i— australia as we are led to believe. but i say even if you is believe. but i say even if you rs ro— believe. but i say even if you rs ro worry.— believe. but i say even if you is to many, given— believe. but i say even if you is to many, given the chronic sworrooes— is to many, given the chronic shortages that— is to many, given the chronic shortages that we're actually roorwo— shortages that we're actually rooroo ow— shortages that we're actually rooroo o— shortages that we're actually facing now, a system that ooruorry— facing now, a system that actually had _ facing now, a system that actually had reform, and i'm not workroo— actually had reform, and i'm not rorwuo ooour— actually had reform, and i'm not talking about the— actually had reform, and i'm not talking about the american sysrem — talking about the american system before _ talking about the american system before some clever sod rweows— system before some clever sod rweows ru— system before some clever sod tweaks in and— system before some clever sod tweaks in and says darren grimes , tweaks in and says darren grimes .you— tweaks in and says darren grimes . you know.— tweaks in and says darren grimes . you know. youe— tweaks in and says darren grimes , you know, you're trying to run— , you know, you're trying to run us— , you know, you're trying to turn us into— , you know, you're trying to turn us into the— , you know, you're trying to turn us into the united states. vou— turn us into the united states. you worr— turn us into the united states. you wowr ro— turn us into the united states. you want to sell— turn us into the united states. you want to sell us to donald rrumo. — you want to sell us to donald trump. remember all that ? what trump. remember all that? what i'm trump. remember all that? what we soyruo— trump. remember all that? what rm soyrwg rs— trump. remember all that? what rm soyrwg rs we— trump. remember all that? what i'm saying is we want to look to europe— i'm saying is we want to look to europe for— i'm saying is we want to look to europe for what— i'm saying is we want to look to europe for what i— i'm saying is we want to look to europe for what i do remember wor— europe for what i do remember ruor seruuo— europe for what i do remember that selling the— europe for what i do remember that selling the nhs to donald trump— that selling the nhs to donald rrumo onu— that selling the nhs to donald rrumo and woe— that selling the nhs to donald trump and the obvious answer to wor— trump and the obvious answer to roar—worr- trump and the obvious answer to roar—wow ro- trump and the obvious answer to that—want to buy. trump and the obvious answer to that—want to buy it that was would he want to buy it 7 that was would he want to buy it e r— that was would he want to buy it e r don-r— that was would he want to buy it 7 i don't think— that was would he want to buy it ? i don't think so.— that was would he want to buy it ? i don't think so. but- that was would he want to buy it ? i don't think so. but sorry. very quickly, darren, a five day strike. doctors are going on a rue— strike. doctors are going on a five roy— strike. doctors are going on a five day strike— strike. doctors are going on a five day strike as— doctors are going on a five day strike as well. emily, rrrey-re— five day strike as well. emily, rrrey-re gong— five day strike as well. emily, rrrey-re going ro— five day strike as well. emily, they're going to australia and all they're going to australia and err-res— they're going to australia and rules or— they're going to australia and all-rest of.|_ they're going to australia and all-rest of.| think- they're going to australia and all rest of i think we all the rest of it. i think we need— all the rest of it. i think we need ro— all the rest of it. i think we need to look— all the rest of it. i think we need to look at— all the rest of it. i think we need to look at the fact that were—ou- need to look at the fact that were—err or- need to look at the fact thati we're _ all of these we're training up all of these oeoore— we're training up all of these oeoore or— we're training up all of these oeoore or you— we're training up all of these people at vast expense to the roxooyer— people at vast expense to the roxooyer onu— people at vast expense to the taxpayer and more needs be taxpayer and more needs to be done—urem- taxpayer and more needs to be- done _them here. done to actually keep them here. wow.— done to actually keep them here. won. more— done to actually keep them here. won. were we— done to actually keep them here. well, there we go. _ done to actually keep them here. well, there we go. you— done to actually keep them here. well, there we go. you are- well, there we go. you are watching listening to gb watching and listening to gb news me know news sunday. let me know what you think that. is the nhs you think about that. is the nhs saveable? 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there but we've there an alternative? but we've got coming up on got lots more coming up on today's show hundreds of today's show to hundreds of miles overhead, cables and miles of overhead, cables and pylons expected fast pylons are expected to be fast tracked. a bid to meet tracked. that's in a bid to meet britain's net zero targets. is net zero now expensive and ugly? what best move for sunak? what is the best move for sunak? but first, let's get the news with aaron armstrong . hey, good with aaron armstrong. hey, good afternoon to you. _ with aaron armstrong. hey, good afternoon to you. it's— with aaron armstrong. hey, good afternoon to you. it's 132.- afternoon to you. it's 132. reus— afternoon to you. it's 132. les oer— afternoon to you. it's 132. les oer you— afternoon to you. it's 132. let's get you up to date with we— let's get you up to date with the headlines— let's get you up to date with the headlines from the newsroom . rue— the headlines from the newsroom . rue rewor— the headlines from the newsroom . the french government will horo— . the french government will hold emergency— . the french government will hold emergency talks later to redress— hold emergency talks later to address we— hold emergency talks later to address the civil— hold emergency talks later to address the civil unrest after a furro— address the civil unrest after a row worr— address the civil unrest after a row mom or— address the civil unrest after a fifth night of rioting with worewr— fifth night of rioting with violent clashes in marseille and roan— violent clashes in marseille and more than 700— violent clashes in marseille and more than 700 people were arresrea.— more than 700 people were arrested. yes— more than 700 people were arrested. yes today following roorrwo— arrested. yes today following roorrwo ana— arrested. yes today following looting and demonstrations in a rube— looting and demonstrations in a wube or— looting and demonstrations in a number of other— looting and demonstrations in a number of other cities and abmosr— number of other cities and almost 2500— number of other cities and almost 2500 people have been arresrea— almost 2500 people have been arresrea ru— almost 2500 people have been arrested in total,— almost 2500 people have been arrested in total, the riots began— arrested in total, the riots began arrea— arrested in total, the riots began after police shot and burea— began after police shot and killed teenager— began after police shot and killed teenager nahel merzouk during— killed teenager nahel merzouk during a— killed teenager nahel merzouk during a traffic— killed teenager nahel merzouk during a traffic stop in paris on ruesaay— during a traffic stop in paris on ruesaay .— during a traffic stop in paris on tuesday . police will have new on tuesday. police will have new bes— on tuesday. police will have new bes ro— on tuesday. police will have new bowes ro bear— on tuesday. police will have new powers to deal with— powers to deal with environmental activists that rnro— environmental activists that come into force— environmental activists that come into force today. they'll nave— come into force today. they'll nawe orearer— come into force today. they'll have greater ability to move on srarro— have greater ability to move on

static protests— have greater ability to move on static protests and— static protests and demonstrators could be static protests and— demonstrators could be charged wrrn— demonstrators could be charged wrrn rne— demonstrators could be charged wrrn be new— demonstrators could be charged with the new criminal offence of runnerbno.— with the new criminal offence of tunnelling. that's— with the new criminal offence of tunnelling. that's being present in tunnelling. that's being present n a— tunnelling. that's being present n a runner— tunnelling. that's being present n a runner ro— tunnelling. that's being present in a tunnel to cause disruption in a tunnel to cause disruption rn wnron— in a tunnel to cause disruption in which carries— in a tunnel to cause disruption in which carries with it up to rnree— in which carries with it up to be years— in which carries with it up to three years in— in which carries with it up to three years in jail. home seorerary— three years in jail. home secretary suella braverman says the secretary suella braverman says be new— secretary suella braverman says the new measures— secretary suella braverman says the new measures are necessary to the new measures are necessary ro-wrrn— the new measures are necessary ro-wrrn naynen— the new measures are necessary to-with mayhem on- the new measures are necessary to with mayhem on the to deal with mayhem on the srreers.— to deal with mayhem on the srreers. rusr— to deal with mayhem on the streets. just stop— to deal with mayhem on the streets. just stop oil and extinction— streets. just stop oil and extinction rebellion say it rnrearens— extinction rebellion say it threatens their— extinction rebellion say it threatens their to protest threatens their right to protest . labour— threatens their right to protest . rabour says— threatens their right to protest . labour says it— threatens their right to protest . labour says it would give reaoners— . labour says it would give reaoners n— . labour says it would give teachers in england £2,400 to srob— teachers in england £2,400 to srob rnen— teachers in england £2,400 to stop them leaving the profession . rne— stop them leaving the profession . rne banres— stop them leaving the profession . the parties promising £50 nrrrron— . the parties promising £50 nrbbon a— . the parties promising £50 million a year— . the parties promising £50 million a year to prevent what it million a year to prevent what u saus— million a year to prevent what u oabbs an— million a year to prevent what it calls an exodus— million a year to prevent what it calls an exodus , and they'd it calls an exodus, and they'd runa— it calls an exodus, and they'd runa n— it calls an exodus, and they'd runa n by— it calls an exodus, and they'd fund it by ending— it calls an exodus, and they'd fund it by ending tax breaks for brware— fund it by ending tax breaks for private schools. _ fund it by ending tax breaks for private schools. nearly 1 in 5 reaoners— private schools. nearly 1 in 5 teachers who _ private schools. nearly 1 in 5 teachers who qualified three years— teachers who qualified three years ago— teachers who qualified three years ago have— teachers who qualified three years ago have since quit . the years ago have since quit. the snaaow— years ago have since quit. the shadow education— years ago have since quit. the shadow education secretary, budger— shadow education secretary, bridget phillipson, says the brobren — bridget phillipson, says the brobren nas— bridget phillipson, says the problem has to— bridget phillipson, says the problem has to be addressed. rearr— problem has to be addressed. rail passengers— problem has to be addressed. rail passengers are facing runner— rail passengers are facing further disruption over the next week.— further disruption over the next week. asrer— further disruption over the next week. aslef members at 16 train onanrbes— week. aslef members at 16 train onanrbes n— week. aslef members at 16 train companies in england will refuse to companies in england will refuse ro work— companies in england will refuse to work overtime— companies in england will refuse to work overtime .— companies in england will refuse to work overtime . operators rely to work overtime. operators rely on war— to work overtime. operators rely on ma ro— to work overtime. operators rely on ma ro un— to work overtime. operators rely on that to run their— to work overtime. operators rely on that to run their full timetable. _ on that to run their full timetable. the union says it's sauna— timetable. the union says it's oarbno for— timetable. the union says it's calling for fair— timetable. the union says it's calling for fair pay. the rail aebwery— calling for fair pay. the rail oerrwery group— calling for fair pay. the rail delivery group says aslef

rey-eorea— delivery group says aslef rejected its— delivery group says aslef rejected its last offer of a reboo— rejected its last offer of a £5,000 raise,— rejected its last offer of a £5,000 raise, which would bring the £5,000 raise, which would bring rne basro— £5,000 raise, which would bring the basic salary— £5,000 raise, which would bring the basic salary for— £5,000 raise, which would bring the basic salary for drivers wornno— the basic salary for drivers wornno a— the basic salary for drivers working a four— the basic salary for drivers working a four day week to nearby— working a four day week to nearly £65,000.— working a four day week to nearly £65,000. services will be arreorea— nearly £65,000. services will be affected from _ nearly £65,000. services will be affected from tomorrow through to affected from tomorrow through ro saruraay.— affected from tomorrow through to saturday. that's it for the nonenr — to saturday. that's it for the moment. we'll— to saturday. that's it for the moment. we'll be back with more in moment. we'll be back with more be ou— moment. we'll be back with more be rarer— moment. we'll be back with more in our later programs or there's more on our website. gbnews.com

join us here on gb news, the people's channel. britain's werone— people's channel. britain's welcome back— people's channel. britain's welcome back to- people's channel. britain's welcome back to gb- " britain's welcome back to gb news people's channel. britain's- welcome back to gb news sunday. wrrb— welcome back to gb news sunday. war we— welcome back to gb news sunday. wrrb bunny— welcome back to gb news sunday. with me, emily carver— welcome back to gb news sunday. with me, emily carver on- welcome back to gb news sunday. with me, emily carver on your- welcome back to gb news sunday. with me, emily carver on your tv onune with me, emily carver on your tv online and radio . now i just got online and radio. now i just got an email from a carol who's written in. she's grumpy with what i've said. she says, how dare you? emily carver. ask if the nhs is worth saving. you want to pay private crack on? well i wasn't saying that we should turn into a us style private system where nobody gets health care unless they can pay

through the nose for it. i was just saying, you know, open our eyes, maybe look at other health care systems that are working more. seen so many uk more. we've seen so many uk doctors nurses move to doctors and nurses move to australia. are they doing australia. what are they doing there i there that's better. i think they've a mixed system, they've got a mixed system, a system social insurance system of social insurance topped up by government. so topped up by the government. so it's still universal. it's still universal, but perhaps it's a little bit more efficient . little bit more efficient. anyway, lots you have agreed anyway, lots of you have agreed with see. but with me too, so we'll see. but we're moving to on the well pylons . despite local opposition pylons. despite local opposition , hundreds of miles of overhead pylons and cables are expected to be fast tracked in a bid to meet britain's net zero targets. of course , ministers are of course, ministers are concerned the growing demand for energy could outpace the national capacity as national grid capacity as households switch to electric cars and heat pumps. i think we all saw this coming. now the news comes, of course, as outgoing minister zac goldsmith attacked rishi sunak. he accused him of being uninterested in the environment. so joining me now to discuss all of this is head of policy at net zero. watch harry wilkinson. also got harry wilkinson. we've also got senior meteorologist at british

weather jim dale , and weather services, jim dale, and also director of the climate also the director of the climate media coalition, donica mccarthy. thank you very much indeed , all of you, forjoining indeed, all of you, for joining me . should we start with net me. should we start with net zero? watch harry, what do you think of these pylons? is net zero now an eyesore as well as being terribly expensive ? is being terribly expensive? is that fair to say ? i think so. that fair to say? i think so. this is an inevitable feature of net zero. we're moving toward far net zero. we're moving toward rar ress— net zero. we're moving toward rar ress energy— we're moving toward far less energy dense sources wnen— far less energy dense sources wnen n— far less energy dense sources wnen n ones— far less energy dense sources when it comes to— far less energy dense sources when it comes to wind turbines. t hey— when it comes to wind turbines. rney neea— when it comes to wind turbines. rney neea ro— when it comes to wind turbines. they need to be— when it comes to wind turbines. they need to be spread out over a barge— they need to be spread out over a barge area— they need to be spread out over a large area. you— they need to be spread out over a large area. you need thousands of installations— a large area. you need thousands of installations to— a large area. you need thousands of installations to provide the same amount of— of installations to provide the same amount of energy that one bower— same amount of energy that one power bran.— same amount of energy that one power plant, whether that was gas— power plant, whether that was gas or— power plant, whether that was gas or nuclear,— power plant, whether that was gas or nuclear, would have browned— gas or nuclear, would have provided beforehand. so that a nuoe— provided beforehand. so that means a huge amount of new infrastructure— means a huge amount of new infrastructure .— means a huge amount of new infrastructure . we also need to infrastructure. we also need to expand— infrastructure. we also need to expand massively— infrastructure. we also need to expand massively the amount of ereornorry— expand massively the amount of ereornony we — expand massively the amount of electricity we actually broouorno— electricity we actually producing if- electricity we actually producing if we're going to get all producing if we're going to get an we— producing if we're going to get all the heating— producing if we're going to get all the heating demand moved non— all the heating demand moved from gas— all the heating demand moved from gas boilers— all the heating demand moved from gas boilers to heat pumps, webb— from gas boilers to heat pumps, we-br neea— from gas boilers to heat pumps, we'll need that— from gas boilers to heat pumps, we'll need that much more ereorno— we'll need that much more electric motty_ we'll need that much more electric motty all the electric

wenrores— electric motty all the electric vehicles will— electric motty all the electric vehicles will need electricity as web— vehicles will need electricity as web .— vehicles will need electricity as web . so— vehicles will need electricity as well . so this— vehicles will need electricity as well . so this is an enormous as well. so this is an enormous snarbenoe— as well. so this is an enormous snarrenge ana— as well. so this is an enormous challenge and i— as well. so this is an enormous challenge and i think national sna— challenge and i think national one rs— challenge and i think national one rs rusr— challenge and i think national grid is just reflect that by saybno— grid is just reflect that by sayrno. you— grid is just reflect that by saying, you know, unless you can aoruarry— saying, you know, unless you can aoruarry roroe — saying, you know, unless you can actually force through these byrons— actually force through these byrons .— actually force through these pylons , through the planning pylons, through the planning sysben— pylons, through the planning sysren. rney— pylons, through the planning system, they won't get built in rrne. — system, they won't get built in rrne. urn — system, they won't get built in rrne. urn ur— system, they won't get built in time. mm .uk is— system, they won't get built in time. g time. mm .uk is harry being a little bit defeatist there ? if little bit defeatist there? if we want to move to a greener and cleaner planet, we're going to have to put up with the electricity and using more electricity and using more electricity from renewable sources , which means we need sources, which means we need more pylons. um, sources, which means we need more pylons . um, the, well, the more pylons. um, the, well, the firs— more pylons. um, the, well, the we bornr— more pylons. um, the, well, the no bornr you— more pylons. um, the, well, the first point you made— rtr”rt um, the, well, the first point you made there ”rt um, the, well, the first point you made there is war— first point you made there is rnar ner— first point you made there is that net zero— first point you made there is that net zero is— first point you made there is that net zero is more expensive. it's that net zero is more expensive. be nor— that net zero is more expensive. it's not renewable— that net zero is more expensive. it's not renewable energy- that net zero is more expensive. it's not renewable energy is- it's not renewable energy is significantly cheaper than fossil fuels. this winter we've had to port tens of billion, £67 billion into subsidising fossil fuels at an enormous cost to the british taxpayer. secondly you talked him you mentioned in your introduction the issue about rishi sunak rishi sunak and condemnation by zac goldsmith

was absolutely bang on the on the button, except i would go further and say rishi sunak is not only not interested in tackling climate change, he's actually turbocharging fossil fuel destruction. he is pouring billions of tax cuts into north sea oil and he's taxing renewables. he is cut the money invested for people's home energy efficiency, leaving 9 million people in fuel poverty this winter. as fossil fuel pnces this winter. as fossil fuel prices soared and he's continuing the ban on onshore winds . this is a really winds. this is a really a government in crisis because rishi sunak at the top of it is absolutely symbolic of the billionaire class destroying our planet. well, strong stuff. jim, i'll planet. well, strong stuff. jim, r-br bung— planet. well, strong stuff. jim, r-rr brrng you— planet. well, strong stuff. jim, i'll bring you in.— planet. well, strong stuff. jim, i'll bring you in. is— planet. well, strong stuff. jim, i'll bring you in. is it- well, strong stuff. jim, i'll bring you in. is it true to say— i'll bring you in. is it true to say rs— i'll bring you in. is it true to say rs n— i'll bring you in. is it true to say rs rr rrue— i'll bring you in. is it true to say is it true to— i'll bring you in. is it true to say is it true to say that renewable _ say is it true to say that renewable bills are cheaper than rossrr— renewable bills are cheaper than rossrr ruerse— renewable bills are cheaper than fossil fuels? take— renewable bills are cheaper than fossil fuels? take away the bombs— fossil fuels? take away the borrrros or— fossil fuels? take away the politics of it.— fossil fuels? take away the politics of it. take away obnare— politics of it. take away climate change. is that true? as a now— climate change. is that true? as a raore as— climate change. is that true? as a raore as n— climate change. is that true? as a fact? as it stands— climate change. is that true? as a fact? as it stands in the uk nonr— a fact? as it stands in the uk new now— a fact? as it stands in the uk right now? well— a fact? as it stands in the uk right now? well look, renewables is right now? well look, renewables rs arb— right now? well look, renewables rs arr abour— right now? well look, renewables is all about an—

right now? well look, renewables is all about an evolution , not a is all about an evolution, not a reworurron. — is all about an evolution, not a revolution. um— is all about an evolution, not a revolution. um ,_ is all about an evolution, not a revolution. t revolution. um, we've been talking about renewables and incorporating them say we've been incorporating them . um, i been incorporating them. um, i just agree entirely with,- f r; um, i just agree entirely with, with your— just agree entirely with, with your rasr— just agree entirely with, with your last guest— just agree entirely with, with your last guest in terms of what he your last guest in terms of what be away— your last guest in terms of what he actually said— your last guest in terms of what he actually said .— your last guest in terms of what he actually said . we've in he actually said. we've in bnrarn— he actually said. we've in britain, we've— he actually said. we've in britain, we've gone on a snail's base.— britain, we've gone on a snail's base. n— britain, we've gone on a snail's base. rn ran.— britain, we've gone on a snail's base. no fan. going— britain, we've gone on a snail's pace. in fact, going backwards and:— pace. in fact, going backwards and. ana— pace. in fact, going backwards and. and au— pace. in fact, going backwards and, and all ionising licences for new— and, and all ionising licences ror soar— and, and all ionising licences for new coal and— and, and all ionising licences for new coal and oil licences, drilling— for new coal and oil licences, drilling around. _ for new coal and oil licences, drilling around. so as far as rbrs— drilling around. so as far as this government is concerned, we have been going backwards and has made it clear the reason that goldsmith did what he did within the letter, a two page letter, and it appeared to me to be very angry at this government is for exact those reasons. they talk a good story, but they aoruarry— they talk a good story, but they aoruarry 90— they talk a good story, but they actually go nowhere fast. and wanna— actually go nowhere fast. and we're waiting in— actually go nowhere fast. and we're waiting in this country. in we're waiting in this country. rn ran.— we're waiting in this country. rn raor. were— we're waiting in this country. in fact, we're going we're going oerrrno— in fact, we're going we're going getting—countries. getting behind other countries suon—orner- such as china and other ounnres— such as china and other countries-the. such as china and other- countries-the green countries as far as the green rewoburron— countries as far as the green revolution concerned , we've revolution is concerned, we've gor— revolution is concerned, we've oor ro — revolution is concerned, we've gob ro sbeea — revolution is concerned, we've got to speed these things up. wowe— got to speed these things up. wove-ro— got to speed these things up. we've-to invest.- got to speed these things up. we've-to invest. i'll- got to speed these things up. we've-to invest. i'll just. we've got to invest. i'll just quote to deloitte, quote this to you, deloitte, who are financial risk are the financial risk consultants? probably all consultants? we probably all know they're not run

know about them. they're not run of the mill or anything. they calculate that if we don't have a transition to net zero, it's going to cost . the world $178 going to cost. the world $178 trillion over the next 50 years. and on the other side of the coin, if we do and as i say, it's by evolution, not revolution, then the plus side of that is plus 4 trillion. so it to me, this is common sense. s and i think that's what we're trying to, to get across to viewers is harry, do you recognise that $178 trillion figure there? it sounds very rnbresswe. — figure there? it sounds very impressive. sounds- figure there? it sounds very impressive. sounds a- �*" g ”rt srt”rt7’ it sounds very impressive. sounds a very large nunbe— impressive. sounds a very large number indeed— impressive. sounds a very large number indeed .— impressive. sounds a very large number indeed . what do you say number indeed. what do you say to number indeed. what do you say ro rnar— number indeed. what do you say ro rnar e — number indeed. what do you say to that 7 well,— number indeed. what do you say to that ? well, people- number indeed. what do you say to that ? �*frbt.. t. to that? well, people will have their different calculations, but i just have to come back against what some of the other guests were saying. zac goldsmith is one of the planet's. the fact is that net zero is a huge element of what this government is doing. britain has reduced its emissions by about 50% since 1990. we've gone further than

most countries. we've seen wages stagnate for the last decade or more. britain is failing economically. we've got to turbocharge the economy and we're not going to do that if we say no to new oil and gas. as people like zac goldsmith and the other new other guests have been saying, you know, if we do that, prices will be higher. been saying, you know, if we do that, prices will be higher . you that, prices will be higher. you know, we've seen an energy crisis . people have been paying crisis. people have been paying far too much for their energy bills and people are saying we should off new north sea should turn off new north sea oil and gas altogether if we do that, will see prices higher that, we will see prices higher than to be. than they need to be. a transition to diverse transition is to a more diverse range of supplies is not a bad thing in itself. but if we ban alternatives , if we ban oil and alternatives, if we ban oil and gas, then we will see prices skyrocket and we'll see ordinary people suffer . i don't think zac people suffer. i don't think zac goldsmith is right in saying we're not providing leadership . we're not providing leadership. if we copy people like the united states and the eu, they just want to shovel more and more subsidies into various

technologies that won't actually yield the results that they desire. because, you know, it's competition, it's consumer choice that will reveal the technologies of the future that can actually get emissions down. so we shouldn't be copying those countries. we should be showing an approach based on competition and choice. and i think hopefully the government's moving towards that. .uk last word to you. last— moving towards that. .uk last word to you. last word- r; : .uk last word to you. last word to you, ana— word to you. last word to you, and ben— word to you. last word to you, and rnen we— word to you. last word to you, and then we have— word to you. last word to you, and then we have to wrap up. voab. — and then we have to wrap up. voab. rbo— and then we have to wrap up. yeah. the idea— and then we have to wrap up. yeah. the idea that— and then we have to wrap up. yeah. the idea that actually keeping pouring billions into new fossil fuels on the on the offshore of britain will reduce costs in britain is a lie which would have to nationalise the oil companies to bring down prices. green energy, onshore wind insulation reduces people's bills and this guy is funded by american oil billionaires. no wonder he's on gb news. he's promoting oil and gas. it's absolutely outrageous. hang on, hang on, absolutely outrageous. hang on, bang bonsa— absolutely outrageous. hang on, hang on, donica are— absolutely outrageous. hang on, hang on, donica are you- use; d hang on, hang on, donica are you saying rnar— hang on, donica are you saying rnar nary— hang on, donica are you saying rnar way does— hang on, donica are you saying that harry does not believe what he that harry does not believe what be rs— that harry does not believe what be rs saying-’— that harry does not believe what he is saying? because that's dangerous— he is saying? because that's dangerous territory. there i'm aoruarry— dangerous territory. there i'm aoruarry sayrno— dangerous territory. there i'm actually saying that- dangerous territory. there i'm actually saying that he is will not reveal who he's american oil

billionaire funders are. and it's billionaire funders are. and wsfime billionaire funders are. and it's time that britain stood up to these secret think tanks that are funded by. well, hang on, babe— are funded by. well, hang on, bang on— are funded by. well, hang on, hang on, danica.— 311i; rtrtr: well, hang on, hang on, danica. danica, just we bawe— hang on, danica. danica, just we bawe ro— hang on, danica. danica, just we bawe ro wrap— hang on, danica. danica, just we bawe ro wrap up.— hang on, danica. danica, just we have to wrap up. but i would y-usr— have to wrap up. but i would y-usr renne— have to wrap up. but i would just remind you— have to wrap up. but i would just remind you that it was keir srarner— just remind you that it was keir srarner wbo— just remind you that it was keir starmer who was— just remind you that it was keir starmer who was getting in hot warer— starmer who was getting in hot warer-rraae— starmer who was getting in hot water trade unions over starmer who was getting in hot watand trade unions over starmer who was getting in hot watand gas trade unions over starmer who was getting in hot watand gas jobs.3de unions over starmer who was getting in hot watand gas jobs. thejnions over starmer who was getting in hot watand gas jobs. the industry'er oil and gas jobs. the industry saybno— oil and gas jobs. the industry was saying, well,— oil and gas jobs. the industry was saying, well, hang on, all of was saying, well, hang on, all or-y-obs— was saying, well, hang on, all or-y-obs-oorno- was saying, well, hang on, all or-iobs-oorno ro- was saying, well, hang on, all of jobs going to go if of these jobs are going to go if you— of these jobs are going to go if you-new— of these jobs are going to go if you new exploration of oil you stop new exploration of oil ana— you stop new exploration of oil and gas— you stop new exploration of oil and gas-r— you stop new exploration of oil and gas.-i would- you stop new exploration of oil and gas. i would just say, and gas. and i would just say, y-usr— and gas. and i would just say, be as— and gas. and i would just say, be as a— and gas. and i would just say, just as a final— and gas. and i would just say, just as a final point, even if we— just as a final point, even if rye-ero— just as a final point, even if we-zero carbon- just as a final point, even if we zero carbon emissions in we had zero carbon emissions in rbrs— we had zero carbon emissions in no oounbry— we had zero carbon emissions in this country, unfortunately , it this country, unfortunately, it woura— this country, unfortunately, it would absolutely no impact would have absolutely no impact on—renberarure- on the global temperature beaue— on the global temperature because those— on the global temperature because those of other countries ana— because those of other countries and ben— because those of other countries and their industries . but and their industries. but anyway.— and their industries. but anyway. on— and their industries. but anyway, on that note, thank you very— anyway, on that note, thank you very-need.— anyway, on that note, thank you very-indeed,-you,. very much indeed, all of you, for-ne— very much indeed, all of you, for-ne-r- very much indeed, all of you, for-me.-i didn'ti forjoining me. sorry i didn't get— forjoining me. sorry i didn't oerlobanoe— forjoining me. sorry i didn't getlchance to— forjoining me. sorry i didn't get chance to come to get a chance to come back to you,— get a chance to come back to you. um.— get a chance to come back to you. an bur— get a chance to come back to you, jim, but we'll- get a chance to come back to you, jim, but we'll speak again, r-n — you, jim, but we'll speak again, i'm sure. thank— you, jim, but we'll speak again, i'm sure. thank you very much breed.— i'm sure. thank you very much need-wbo- i'm sure. thank you very much indeed,-who is- i'm sure. thank you very much indeed,-who is a- indeed, jim dale, who is a meteorologist— indeed, jim dale, who is a meteorologist british weather indeed, jim dale, who is a meteorol

more the net zero debate. more than the net zero debate. go on then. get on your soapbox. rbo— go on then. get on your soapbox. nbe—bubb- go on then. get on your soapbox. rbo—brgbr. n- the idea that harry right. if just oil gave harry just stop oil gave harry wilkinson from net zero watch £1 billion. he's not going to all of a sudden say net zero is the best thing since sliced bread. maybe a billion. so that's a maybe for a billion. so that's a baby— maybe for a billion. so that's a totally spurious lie. but listen, heat thing, listen, these heat pumps thing, there evidence to suggest there is evidence to suggest that you'd get more hot air if we just bottled it from the house of commons as than you would expensive would install in these expensive things draughty older things into draughty older homes. so we're talking about heat pumps, heat pumps. so if we actually rely on these things, these so—called new technologies which actually very new which actually aren't very new at all. right. idea that at all. right. the idea that behind heat pumps has been around some time . the idea around for some time. the idea behind energy through behind storing energy through windmills . so that's been around windmills. so that's been around for some time as well. and you can't store the energy. so guess what, bill payers at home may not be aware that £200 for most bill payers is going into scotland to encourage the owners

of wind turbines to switch them off when it's to windy because we can't actually store the energy from these things . same energy from these things. same story with solar panels when it's too hot, they're less efficient . eight it's too hot, they're less efficient. eight and it's too hot, they're less efficient . eight and £170 it's too hot, they're less efficient. eight and £170 in green levies is coming back to hit british taxpayers. meanwhile china is burning more coal than sirens, more door. it is obscene. it is grotesque . look obscene. it is grotesque. look what we're doing to working families in this country. well, there you go. often . t rtrtr. well, there you go. often forgotten there you go. often forgotten rbe bru— there you go. often forgotten the bill payers— there you go. often forgotten the bill payers as aaron. would you— the bill payers as aaron. would you oonoeaee— the bill payers as aaron. would you concede? i— the bill payers as aaron. would you concede? i know you're on board— you concede? i know you're on board wrrb— you concede? i know you're on board with the— you concede? i know you're on board with the net— you concede? i know you're on board with the net zero stuff ana— board with the net zero stuff and r-n — board with the net zero stuff and i'm sure for— board with the net zero stuff and i'm sure for very good well neanrng— and i'm sure for very good well meaning reasons.— and i'm sure for very good well meaning reasons. but would you oonoeae— meaning reasons. but would you oonoeae rbar— meaning reasons. but would you concede that there— meaning reasons. but would you concede that there is quite a lot concede that there is quite a or or— concede that there is quite a or or wnue— concede that there is quite a lot of virtue signalling to some of lot of virtue signalling to some or ou— lot of virtue signalling to some of our policies— lot of virtue signalling to some of our policies in— lot of virtue signalling to some of our policies in terms of the faer— of our policies in terms of the ban rbar— of our policies in terms of the fact that even— of our policies in terms of the fact that even as— of our policies in terms of the fact that even as i— of our policies in terms of the fact that even as i said before, b— fact that even as i said before, b we— fact that even as i said before, even if we did— fact that even as i said before, even if we did cut— fact that even as i said before, even if we did cut down our enrssrons— even if we did cut down our ro— even if we did cut down our emissions to zero, it wouldn't bawe— emissions to zero, it wouldn't bawe any— emissions to zero, it wouldn't have any impact— emissions to zero, it wouldn't have any impact globally? �*frbt.. have any impact globally? well, rbar-s— have any impact globally? well, rbar-s a— have any impact globally? well, that's a collective— have any impact globally? well, that's a collective action problem. you could say about pretty much every country except russia, and so russia, china, the us. and so on. i think we could have very

easily 100% of our electricity come from non carbon sources. if you include nuclear. and i think that's very easy and i think it's very doable and we could but people on the left were adamant that they didn't want nuclear. nuclear, so i'm nuclear. i'm pro nuclear, so i'm i'm a bit of a weirdo there. i'm pro nuclear. but you started this the pylon and one of this with the pylon and one of your guests spoke about growth. yes. i thought was nice yes. i thought it was a nice segue— yes. i thought it was a nice segue-bur- yes. i thought it was a nice segue.-but look,- yes. i thought it was a nice segue. but look, the thing segue. yeah, but look, the thing is, segue. yeah, but look, the thing rs-rbe— segue. yeah, but look, the thing rs-rbe rrrsr— segue. yeah, but look, the thing is,-the first pylon- is, we had the first pylon in rbrs— is, we had the first pylon in one sounrry— is, we had the first pylon in this country in— is, we had the first pylon in this country in 1928, and i rbrnb— this country in 1928, and i think there— this country in 1928, and i think there is— this country in 1928, and i think there is so much infrastructure think there is so much. infrastructure -for infrastructure we take for granrea— infrastructure we take for grabbed-bay.- infrastructure we take for granted day, which granted today day, which wouran-r— granted today day, which wouldn't be— granted today day, which wouldn't be built because of wrnbvs— wouldn't be built because of wrnbvslob— wouldn't be built because of nimbys.ioh, we— wouldn't be built because of nimbys. o" rtfr�* . wouldn't be built because of nimbys. o" t t . r:rtr wouldn't be built because of nimbys. t t . r:rtr wouldn't be built because of- nimbys.ioh, we can't do this. we nimbys. oh, we can't do this. we can't that. there's this newt can't do that. there's this newt that over that nobody's ever heard of over here. their here. this person with their mega estate be upset. and i mega estate will be upset. and i think, look, we're in a bad situation country. if situation in this country. if people we can't build people are saying we can't build pylons, which is something we've been building 95 years. so been building for 95 years. so you want to talk about net zero and growth. let's talk about nimbys growth, because nimbys and growth, because i think a bigger problem. nimbys and growth, because i tithink a bigger problem. nimbys and growth, because i tithink that's a bigger problem. nimbys and growth, because i tithink that's a veryzr problem. nimbys and growth, because i tithink that's a very goodblem. i think that's a very good point. and if they're simply easrng— point. and if they're simply easing planning— and if they're simply easing planning laws that usuabry— easing planning laws that usually—odd. easing planning laws that usually—odd to usually take seven odd years to aeorae— usually take seven odd years to aeorae-a— usually take seven odd years to

aeorae-a byron- usually take seven odd years to decide-a pylon is- usually take seven odd years to decide a pylon is going to decide where a pylon is going to be sbuabeb— decide where a pylon is going to be situated,-that's- decide where a pylon is going to be situated, that's no be situated, then that's no good. — be situated, then that's no good. .rbere— be situated, then that's no good.-there is- be situated, then that's no good. there is also the good. but there is also the guesrron— good. but there is also the question destroying ing our question of destroying ing our sounrrysrae— countryside and england isn't very— countryside and england isn't very-so— countryside and england isn't very-so rbese- very big, is it? so these rbrngs.— very big, is it? so these rbrngs. ao— very big, is it? so these things, do you- very big, is it? so these things, do you know , would you things, do you know, would you get things, do you know, would you ger na— things, do you know, would you ger no or— things, do you know, would you get rid of electricity? would you— get rid of electricity? would you-arb- get rid of electricity? would you-arr rbe- get rid of electricity? would you all the pylons get rid of electricity? would- you-all the pylons we you get rid of all the pylons we arreaay— you get rid of all the pylons we arreaay-rben— you get rid of all the pylons we already then would not already have? then i would not get already have? then i would not ger-abr— already have? then i would not ger-abr rbe— already have? then i would not get-all the pylons.- get rid of all the pylons. warure— get rid of all the pylons. nature but— get rid of all the pylons. nature but you're at home. let me— nature but you're at home. let me know.— nature but you're at home. let me know. would— nature but you're at home. let me know. would you get of me know. would you get rid of the me know. would you get rid of be byronse— me know. would you get rid of the pylons? now,— me know. would you get rid of the pylons? now, that's a silly guesbon— the pylons? now, that's a silly question,-we're_ the pylons? now, that's a silly question, we're going to be question, but we're going to be nowng—been- question, but we're going to be moving been getting moving on. you've been getting in moving on. you've been getting rn—rbougbrs- in touch with your thoughts on brsbr— in touch with your thoughts on brsbr sunab— in touch with your thoughts on rishi sunak reform plans. annerre— rishi sunak reform plans. annerre-say- rishi sunak reform plans. annette say she rishi sunak reform plans. annette-say she more annette has to say she said more money— annette has to say she said more money wru— annette has to say she said more money wrbr nor— annette has to say she said more money will not improve the nhs. it's inefficient—wel it's inefficient and a waste. we need— it's inefficient and a waste. we need lcomplete_ it's inefficient and a waste. we need complete overhaul . i need a complete overhaul. i rbrnb— need a complete overhaul. i rbrnblbn— need a complete overhaul. i thinklbit more— need a complete overhaul. i think bit more money probably think a bit more money probably woura— think a bit more money probably wouba rnbrowe— think a bit more money probably would improve it,— think a bit more money probably would improve it, but it wouran-r— would improve it, but it wouldn't-as- would improve it, but it- wouldn't-as efficient as wouldn't make it as efficient as we need— wouldn't make it as efficient as we need ana— wouldn't make it as efficient as we need and wouldn't make it we need and it wouldn't make it a—beabb— we need and it wouldn't make it a_health system,- we need and it wouldn't make it a_health system, ini a world class health system, in my a world class health system, in ny-ranrne— a world class health system, in ny-ranrne-we- a world class health system, in my janine we have my view. janine says. we have wrea— my view. janine says. we have tried .failed_ my view. janine says. we have tried-failed on— my view. janine says. we have tried failed on many tried and failed on many occasions but occasions to save the nhs, but it occasions to save the nhs, but rr-be— occasions to save the nhs, but rr-be savea— occasions to save the nhs, but rr-be sawea .— occasions to save the nhs, but it be saved , angela says. it cannot be saved, angela says. rye— it cannot be saved, angela says. we been— it cannot be saved, angela says. i've been working— it cannot be saved, angela says. i've been working nhs for i've been working in the nhs for zo— i've been working in the nhs for 25 years— i've been working in the nhs for over 25 years and— i've been working in the nhs for over 25 years and with my unenr— over 25 years and with my current employer over 13, current employer for over 13, rye— current employer for over 13, be baa— current employer for over 13, be bad no— current employer for over 13, i've had no issue— current employer for over 13, i've had no issue with my sarary. — i've had no issue with my sarary. rbe— i've had no issue with my salary. the funding , salary. the lack of funding, bask— salary. the lack of funding, back or— salary. the lack of funding, lack of staff— salary. the lack of funding, lack of staff or— salary. the lack of funding, lack of staff or increasing worbroaa — lack of staff or increasing workload pressures. you workload pressures. well, you sound— workload pressures. well, you sound-perfect- workload pressures. well, you sound perfect employee. sound like the perfect employee. wease— sound like the perfect employee. brease ao— sound like the perfect employee. brease ao beep— sound like the perfect employee. please do keep your views coming

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simple to me. there is nothing more racist than that notion. i you know, yesterday, emily, it was announced by another broadcaster for a less pristine one than ours, that prestigious as well. military families given two weeks notice to leave accommodation in for migrants. it just strikes me that in this country , we the armed forces and country, we the armed forces and those who want to join it are being given a pretty rough deal when actually there's some of the bravest, most brilliant people that we should respect and cherish . so no, i would get and cherish. so no, i would get rid of positive discrimination outright. it's not positive at all. it couldn't be more negative. aaron do you like a bit negative. aaron do you like a no or— negative. aaron do you like a bit of positive— g aaron do you like a bit of positive discrimination? do bit of positive discrimination? bo re — bit of positive discrimination? bo re wobb— bit of positive discrimination? do i? well, it's— bit of positive discrimination? do i? �*frr�*rttt . t. do i? well, it's unlawful. that's the that's the point. the reason why this has been found, you know, we're talking about it is because it's unlawful under the act . you can if the equalities act. you can if you have two equal candidates of the same calibre , you can, in the same calibre, you can, in that instance, do it, but you can't when you're employing, can't say when you're employing, sorry, only going to sorry, we're only going to employ brown or black or

employ brown or black people or women. if you do that, it's unlawful. and women. if you do that, it's unlawful . and darren women. if you do that, it's unlawful. and darren and i burned— unlawful. and darren and i burned ub— unlawful. and darren and i burned ub ro— unlawful. and darren and i turned up to your- t. and darren and i turned up to your organisation bobb— turned up to your organisation born for— turned up to your organisation born for one— turned up to your organisation both for the same jobs, same qualifications— both for the same jobs, same qualifications ,_ both for the same jobs, same qualifications , same everything. qualifications, same everything. woura— qualifications, same everything. woura you— qualifications, same everything. woura you-ne— qualifications, same everything. would you me him ? would you pick me over him? because— would you pick me over him? because-know— would you pick me over him? because-know your- would you pick me over him? because-know your lgbt. would you pick me over him? because you know your lgbt so actually, it would be actually, you know, it would be actually, you know, it would be a tricky one oppression a tricky one in the oppression olympics, complicated. olympics, it gets complicated. we're in trouble . yeah. so you we're in trouble. yeah. so you know, it is unlawful. that's why it's a nonsense,— know, it is unlawful. that's why it's a nonsense, though.- c .. that's why it's a nonsense, though. well, i woura— it's a nonsense, though. well, i wouba say— it's a nonsense, though. well, i wouba say rr-s— it's a nonsense, though. well, i would say it's an— it's a nonsense, though. well, i would say it's an oppression. orynbrcs— would say it's an oppression. orynbrcs. r— would say it's an oppression. orynbrcs. r rs. — would say it's an oppression. olympics. i is. i— would say it's an oppression. olympics. i is. r: olympics. i is. i said that flippantly, by the way, i think in the media or in law, you know, i think important to know, i think it's important to have professions reflect have certain professions reflect society i think society more generally. i think that's but that's really useful. but i don't arm of the don't see why one arm of the armed i.e. the air armed forces, i.e. the air force, has to have 20% of its staff being bame. it just seems quite strange and but this is what's happened with all of the diversity and inclusion ticking a box . i don't know if you've a box. i don't know if you've boobed— a box. i don't know if you've boobed ar— i don't know if you've looked at applications forms for the looked at applications forms for rbe-sewrce— looked at applications forms for the-service and— looked at applications forms for the service and other the civil service and other bubbc— the civil service and other public sector— the civil service and other public sector jobs, but before you— public sector jobs, but before you-apply,— public sector jobs, but before you apply, before you even you even apply, before you even send— you even apply, before you even send n— you even apply, before you even send be your— you even apply, before you even send in your cv,— you even apply, before you even send in your cv, you have to go rbrougb— send in your cv, you have to go rbrougb abour— send in your cv, you have to go through about 20— send in your cv, you have to go through about 20 million guesdons— through about 20 million questions. that's an exaggeration, by the way. 20 nrrrron— exaggeration, by the way. 20 million-about-

exaggeration, by the way. 20 million about your million questions about your ebbnbcby— million questions about your ethnicity, about— million questions about your ethnicity, about your sexuality. are you — ethnicity, about your sexuality. are you bans— ethnicity, about your sexuality. are you trans, are— ethnicity, about your sexuality. are you trans, are you whatever? and— are you trans, are you whatever? and rr-s— are you trans, are you whatever? and us for— are you trans, are you whatever? and it's for goodness sake, do we ready— and it's for goodness sake, do we really need— and it's for goodness sake, do we really need this in britain in we really need this in britain n 2023,— we really need this in britain n 2023, we— we really need this in britain in 2023, we have— we really need this in britain in 2023, we have a multi—ethnic counrry— in 2023, we have a multi—ethnic counrry now— in 2023, we have a multi—ethnic counrry .— in 2023, we have a multi—ethnic counrry . we— in 2023, we have a multi—ethnic country now . we have a country country now. we have a country wrrb— country now. we have a country wrrb robs— country now. we have a country wrrb rors or— country now. we have a country with lots of different religions. _ with lots of different religions. there are very many erbnrc— religions. there are very many erbnrc groups— religions. there are very many ethnic groups that are doing benea— ethnic groups that are doing berrer rban— ethnic groups that are doing better than the— ethnic groups that are doing better than the white british boburarron.— better than the white british boburarron. r— better than the white british population. i mean, do we need rbrse — population. i mean, do we need rbrse r— population. i mean, do we need rbrse r noon— population. i mean, do we need this? i mean, looking- population. i mean, do we need this? r; population. i mean, do we need this? " r; this? i mean, looking at the whole esg debate that we had on the saturday five last night, emily, it's actually seeping into even the closure of bank accounts because people sat in banks are saying, well, this person has said x, and therefore it's a risky business. let's not have them on board. so it's seeping into every avenue of our lives and making britain worse , lives and making britain worse, in my opinion. look, if you are a successfully talented gay europol , diverse black person europol, diverse black person and you're right for the job, perfect hunky dory happy days, but you shouldn't receive the job purely because of your immutable characteristics.

because that in my view, is racism. plain and simple . do you racism. plain and simple. do you think it's a free for all— ”eri " a�*r: do you think it's a free for all when it think it's a free for all when n cones— think it's a free for all when n ro— think it's a free for all when it comes to white males? you can crrdcrse— it comes to white males? you can cndcrse rben— it comes to white males? you can criticise them as— it comes to white males? you can criticise them as much as as nucb— criticise them as much as as nucb as— criticise them as much as as nucb as you— criticise them as much as as much as you like.- criticise them as much as as much as you like. it's almost ube— much as you like. it's almost be dds— much as you like. it's almost be us a— much as you like. it's almost like it's a bit— much as you like. it's almost like it's a bit well, it's a bit ord— like it's a bit well, it's a bit old fashioned— like it's a bit well, it's a bit old fashioned to— like it's a bit well, it's a bit old fashioned to be a white mare.— old fashioned to be a white nabe. wo— old fashioned to be a white male. no one's_ old fashioned to be a white male. no one's there to support you— male. no one's there to support you annoyre — male. no one's there to support you annoyre r— male. no one's there to support you anymore. i think- male. no one's there to support you anymore. gt” you anymore. i think younger white men have it really hard because course we talk about because of course we talk about the patriarchy, obe and all these white privilege. these things. white privilege. et cetera. the beneficiaries of that very old. that are obviously very old. society's changed and as i you know, i. my wife's pregnant. god willing, it's fine . we've got a willing, it's fine. we've got a daughter on the way. i i do think that younger. congratulations the very congratulations by the way. very much. think younger men much. i do think younger men have really hard. and i think have it really hard. and i think this something that whether this is something that whether you're , left liberal, you're right, left liberal, whatever we need sensible whatever we need a sensible conversation about that because people to the people are being drawn to the likes of andrew tate or jordan peterson reason. a peterson for a reason. that's a symptom. maybe to hire symptom. maybe you need to hire noen-en bon— symptom. maybe you need to hire more-men from working- more white men from working crass— more white men from working class backgrounds, but you're not class backgrounds, but you're nor-ro— class backgrounds, but you're not to discriminate in not allowed to discriminate in rau— not allowed to discriminate in favour—crassi favour of white working class. rbere — favour of white working class. there - school- favour of white working class. there - school that i favour of white working class. there school that tried there was that school that tried to-someone tried- there was that school that tried to someone tried to.

to do it or someone tried to. anyway. — to do it or someone tried to. anyway. -cone- to do it or someone tried to. anyway, come back to anyway, we'll come back to that. rbar-s— anyway, we'll come back to that. rbar-s abr— anyway, we'll come back to that. that's all we've— anyway, we'll come back to that. that's all we've got. �*frr�*rt : that's all we've got. we need more working class. i'm that's all we've got. �*frr�*rt : r; t i'm being more working class. i'm being told more working class. i'm being road-musc— more working class. i'm being told-must move- more working class. i'm being told-must move on.- told that we must move on. i bawe— told that we must move on. i bawe a— told that we must move on. i have a response.— told that we must move on. i have a response. i- told that we must move on. i have a response. i believe the cbrer— have a response. i believe the cbrer or— have a response. i believe the new chief of the— have a response. i believe the new chief of the royal air force bas— new chief of the royal air force bas aborogrsed— new chief of the royal air force has apologised for— new chief of the royal air force has apologised for all of this. rbar-s— has apologised for all of this. rbar-s-on. — has apologised for all of this. rbar-s-on. ne— has apologised for all of this. that's-on. he-thatl has apologised for all of this. that's on. he that at that's gone on. he said that at one— that's gone on. he said that at rbe-rbe— that's gone on. he said that at the -the practise- that's gone on. he said that at the the practise was the time the practise was bebewed— the time the practise was believed to _ the time the practise was believed to be- the time the practise was believed to be acceptable, bosrdwe—onl positive action based on the understanding— understanding of the recruitment bocess— understanding of the recruitment process interpretation process and interpretation of regar—roi process and interpretation of- regar—ro say. legal advice. he went on to say, we legal advice. he went on to say, we-bnow— legal advice. he went on to say, we-bnow rbar— legal advice. he went on to say, we .know that it— legal advice. he went on to say, we know that it did not and we now know that it did not and i we now know that it did not and r aborogrse— we now know that it did not and i apologise unreservedly to all rbose—rbari those affected. he added that the those affected. he added that rbe-accebrs— those affected. he added that the - accepts that - those affected. he added that the accepts that some men the raf accepts that some men were—agarnsr. i the raf accepts that some men| were—against. the were discriminated against. the group—wbo- group of 31 individuals who drew— group of 31 individuals who likely missed— group of 31 individuals who likely missed the opportunity to guabry— likely missed the opportunity to guarrry bor— likely missed the opportunity to guarrry for a— likely missed the opportunity to qualify for a £5,000 joining bonus— qualify for a £5,000 joining bonus are said— qualify for a £5,000 joining bonus are said to have been rdendrred— bonus are said to have been identified and— bonus are said to have been identified and been identified and have been ordered.— identified and have been offered. the— identified and have been offered. the award. i do wonder if offered. the award. i do wonder b rr-s— offered. the award. i do wonder r us babbenrng— offered. the award. i do wonder if it's happening elsewhere rbougb.— if it's happening elsewhere rbougb. webb— if it's happening elsewhere though. well i'm sure we'll find our.— though. well i'm sure we'll find our. you-re— though. well i'm sure we'll find out. you're watching and bsrenrng— out. you're watching and listening to— out. you're watching and listening to gb news sunday with me. listening to gb news sunday with -cawrbre. — listening to gb news sunday with me. -carville. -got- me. emily carville. we've got brenry— me. emily carville. we've got plenty—up- me. emily carville. we've got bbenry—ub rnl me. emily carville. we've goti bbenry—ub be one plenty more coming up in the near— plenty more coming up in the new bour— plenty more coming up in the new now. so— plenty more coming up in the next hour. so stay tuned. i'm endy— next hour. so stay tuned. i'm bnrry carver.— next hour. so stay tuned. i'm emily carver. you're watching you-re— emily carver. you're watching youe-ro— emily carver. you're watching you-re-ro ob- emily carver. you're watching you're to gb news, you're listening to gb news, bnrarn-s— you're listening to gb news, britain's channel. you're listening to gb news,- britain's-channel.-live britain's news channel. the live desk— britain's news channel. the live desk-ne— britain's news channel. the live desk me, longhurst and desk with me, mark longhurst and me, desk with me, mark longhurst and neionsonb — desk with me, mark longhurst and neironson — desk with me, mark longhurst and me,-tomson. it's— desk with me, mark longhurst and me,-tomson. it's here- desk with me, mark longhurst and me, tomson. . “rt”rt me, pip tomson. it's here monday to friday on gb news from midday . we'll bring you the news as it

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sradc— will now have powers to disperse static protests. _ will now have powers to disperse static protests. that's a common racdc— static protests. that's a common racdc or— static protests. that's a common racrrc or groups— static protests. that's a common tactic of groups like just stop oil extinction— tactic of groups like just stop oil extinction rebellion and so on. oil extinction rebellion and so rs— oil extinction rebellion and so rs rbrs— oil extinction rebellion and so on. is this the— oil extinction rebellion and so on. is this the end— oil extinction rebellion and so on. is this the end for large scare— on. is this the end for large scale suella— on. is this the end for large scale suella groups , or do you scale suella groups, or do you rbrnb— scale suella groups, or do you rbrnb rbrs— scale suella groups, or do you think this is— scale suella groups, or do you think this is an— scale suella groups, or do you think this is an infringement on our think this is an infringement on crwr— think this is an infringement on our civil liberties?— think this is an infringement on our civil liberties? then are we runnrng— our civil liberties? then are we runnrng our— our civil liberties? then are we runnrng our or— our civil liberties? then are we running out of money? households obe— running out of money? households across the country— running out of money? households across the country have withdrawn _ across the country have withdrawn in- across the country have withdrawn in record amounts of rbeb— withdrawn in record amounts of rbeb sawngs— withdrawn in record amounts of their savings in— withdrawn in record amounts of their savings in the month of way. — their savings in the month of way. rbrs— their savings in the month of may. this paired— their savings in the month of may. this paired with record aounsr— may. this paired with record aounsr or— may. this paired with record amounts of personal borrowing as web.— amounts of personal borrowing as web. r-n— amounts of personal borrowing as web. r-n asbrng— amounts of personal borrowing as well. i'm asking are— amounts of personal borrowing as well. i'm asking are we simply runnrng— well. i'm asking are we simply runnrng our— well. i'm asking are we simply running out of— well. i'm asking are we simply running out of cash and the ongorng— running out of cash and the ongorng regar— running out of cash and the ongoing legal battle over the goesnnen-r— ongoing legal battle over the government's flagship immigration policy rages on, doesn-r— immigration policy rages on, doesn-r n— immigration policy rages on, doesn-r n e— immigration policy rages on, doesn't it ? the— immigration policy rages on, doesn't it ? the government doesn't it? the government rnsrsred— doesn't it? the government rnsrsred n— doesn't it? the government insisted it will— doesn't it? the government insisted it will challenge the rubng— insisted it will challenge the rubng rbar— insisted it will challenge the ruling that sending refugees to rwanda— ruling that sending refugees to rwanda was— ruling that sending refugees to rwanda was unlawful. now suella brawernan says— rwanda was unlawful. now suella braverman says they'll do wbarewer— braverman says they'll do whatever it— braverman says they'll do whatever it takes to stop, stop the whatever it takes to stop, stop rbe boars— whatever it takes to stop, stop rbe boars .— whatever it takes to stop, stop the boats . who— whatever it takes to stop, stop the boats . who do you blame for the boats. who do you blame for its the boats. who do you blame for us rarruree— the boats. who do you blame for its failure? so _ the boats. who do you blame for its failure? so far,— the boats. who do you blame for its failure? so far, the rwandan scbene— its failure? so far, the rwandan scheme failed— its failure? so far, the rwandan scheme failed either the government— scheme failed either the government or the courts . get in government or the courts. get in roucb— government or the courts. get in roucb on— government or the courts. get in roucb on arb— government or the courts. get in touch on all of— government or the courts. get in touch on all of that. send us your— touch on all of that. send us your rbougbrs— touch on all of that. send us your thoughts on— your thoughts on gbviews@gbnews.com. tweet your thoughts on— gbviews@gbnews.com. tweet me your rbougbrs on— gbviews@gbnews.com. tweet me at gb gbviews@gbnews.com. tweet me at on news.— gbviews@gbnews.com. tweet me at on news. bur— gbviews@gbnews.com. tweet me at gb news. but first,— gbviews@gbnews.com. tweet me at gb news. but first, let's get one— gb news. but first, let's get one news— gb news. but first, let's get the news headlines with . aaron

the news headlines with. aaron dood— the news headlines with. aaron good afternoon— the news headlines with. aaron good afternoon to— the news headlines with. aaron good afternoon to you. - the news headlines with. aaron good afternoon to you. it- the news headlines with. aaron good afternoon to you. it is 2:02. aaron armstrong here in the newsroom. the french government will hold emergency talks this evening to address the civil unrest after a fifth night of riots. the civil unrest after a fifth night of riots . more the civil unrest after a fifth night of riots. more than the civil unrest after a fifth night of riots . more than 700 night of riots. more than 700 people were arrested across the country overnight with tear gas used to disperse crowds in marseille . the violence follows marseille. the violence follows the death of teenager nana merzouk, who was shot by police on tuesday in paris. a murder investigation has been opened after a mayor's home was ram raided and set alight. his wife and one of his children were hurt . the french journalist hurt. the french journalist antonin andre says it's put more pressure on the president. emmanuel macron , his family were emmanuel macron, his family were were attacked in in his house dunng were attacked in in his house during the night and his wife and his two children are two left. the house is in emergency becaue— left. the house is in emergency because there— left. the house is in emergency because there was— the house is in emergency because there was fire in the bouse— because there was fire in the bouse and— because there was fire in the house. and this— because there was fire in the house. and this is what is very sbocbrng— house. and this is what is very sbocbrng rbrng— house. and this is what is very shocking thing this morning. and every—

shocking thing this morning. and every every— shocking thing this morning. and every every buyers— shocking thing this morning. and every every myers in france wands— every every myers in france wanrs rbar— every every myers in france wants that the _ every every myers in france wants that the state and bnnanuer— wants that the state and emmanuel macron take take more more , more measures to stop the more, more measures to stop the cbaos— more, more measures to stop the cbaos . — more, more measures to stop the cbaos . rwo— more, more measures to stop the chaos . two people— more, more measures to stop the chaos. two people have been killed and three are in a critical condition after a mass shooting in the us state of maryland. police say up to 30 people suffered gunshot wounds dunng people suffered gunshot wounds during the attack, which took place in the city of baltimore . place in the city of baltimore. people had gathered for an event called brooklyn day. nothing is yet known about the attacker or a possible motive . new measures a possible motive. new measures to deal with disruptive protests have come into force. they include expand police powers to move on static or slow walking protests like those used by just stop oil a criminal offence, will it will now be a criminal offence to tackle disruptive action in tunnels that's been introduced carrying jail terms of up to three years. critics argue that the laws threaten the right to protest . meanwhile, right to protest. meanwhile, five just stop oil activists

have been charged after being arrested for disrupting london's pride march yesterday. they've been charged with behaviour likely to cause harassment , likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress to others were released on bail pending further inquiries . the government says inquiries. the government says it is determined to stop migrant boats coming to britain despite the legal setback. ministers are preparing to appeal a court decision which blocked the deportation of asylum seekers to rwanda. the health secretary , rwanda. the health secretary, steve barclay, says if nothing's done to stop the boats, the costs could spiral. reaching up to £11 billion. think your viewers want the government to take action? that is what we're dong— take action? that is what we're dorng .— take action? that is what we're dorng . were— take action? that is what we're doing . we're doing— take action? that is what we're doing . we're doing so- erf rtr“7 that is what we're doing . we're doing so in a way doing. we're doing so in a way rbar— doing. we're doing so in a way rbar crearry— doing. we're doing so in a way that clearly complies with the regar— that clearly complies with the regar process— that clearly complies with the legal process. but it's rnbonanr— legal process. but it's important we now take this to the important we now take this to one supreme— important we now take this to the supreme court, the prime wberer.— the supreme court, the prime minister, the— the supreme court, the prime minister, the home secretary are derernrned— minister, the home secretary are determined to— minister, the home secretary are determined to stop— minister, the home secretary are determined to stop the boats. and— determined to stop the boats. and b— determined to stop the boats. and b we— determined to stop the boats. and if we don't,— determined to stop the boats. and if we don't, then there'll be a— and if we don't, then there'll be a buge— and if we don't, then there'll be a huge cost— and if we don't, then there'll be a huge cost . _ and if we don't, then there'll be a huge cost. and if we don't, then there'll be a huge cost . rt:r”r: be a huge cost. but lord carlile, barrister and crossbench member of the house of lords, says the is of lords, says the proposal is unlawful. government of lords, says the proposal is unlawful . government is not unlawful. government is not ubbordrng—

unlawful. government is not ubbordrng rbe— unlawful. government is not upholding the law- t. government is not upholding the law and they've abbroacbed— upholding the law and they've approached this— upholding the law and they've approached this whole bill in a conbrereby— approached this whole bill in a completely legally non—compliant way on— completely legally non—compliant way on one— completely legally non—compliant way on the basis— completely legally non—compliant way on the basis of— completely legally non—compliant way on the basis of this bill is bad— way on the basis of this bill is bad rbere— way on the basis of this bill is that there is— way on the basis of this bill is that there is a— way on the basis of this bill is that there is a safe country or sabe— that there is a safe country or safe countries— that there is a safe country or safe countries to _ that there is a safe country or safe countries to send refuge kyrees— safe countries to send refuge byrees ro. — safe countries to send refuge byrees ro. bur— safe countries to send refuge kyrees to. but in— safe countries to send refuge kyrees to. but in fact they're onry— kyrees to. but in fact they're onry onenng— kyrees to. but in fact they're only offering one safe country, and— only offering one safe country, and bars— only offering one safe country, and that's rwanda . so the and that's rwanda. so the brobosar— and that's rwanda. so the brobosar rs— and that's rwanda. so the proposal is in— and that's rwanda. so the proposal is in tatters . it is proposal is in tatters. it is unbawbub— proposal is in tatters. it is unlawful. it— proposal is in tatters. it is unlawful. it is— proposal is in tatters. it is unlawful. it is leading to beobbe— unlawful. it is leading to beobre berng— unlawful. it is leading to people being kept in custody wnen— people being kept in custody wben obey— people being kept in custody when they should not be kept in cusrody— when they should not be kept in cusrody . — when they should not be kept in custody . labour— when they should not be kept in custody . labour says- when they should not be kept in custody. c when they should not be kept in custody . ” c : custody. labour says it would give teachers in england £2,400 to stop them leaving the profession . the party's profession. the party's promising £50 million a year to prevent what it calls an exodus funded by ending tax breaks for private schools . nearly 1 in 5 private schools. nearly 1 in 5 teachers who qualified in 2020 have since quit shadow education secretary bridget phillipson says the problem needs to be addressed. if says the problem needs to be addressed . if our new teachers, addressed. if our new teachers, wben— addressed. if our new teachers, wben obey-ve— tar: : if our new teachers, when they've completed their carry— when they've completed their earry caree— when they've completed their early career framework, when obey— early career framework, when rbeyrrnrsb— early career framework, when they finish those _ early career framework, when they finish those two years, obey— they finish those two years, rbey wru— they finish those two years, they will then _ they finish those two years, they will then receive a rerendon— they will then receive a retention payment at the end of bar.— retention payment at the end of bar. rbe— retention payment at the end of that. the single— retention payment at the end of that. the single biggest way

rbar— that. the single biggest way bad we— that. the single biggest way that we make— that. the single biggest way that we make sure that children get that we make sure that children ger ready— that we make sure that children ger rearry gear— that we make sure that children get really great outcomes and get really great outcomes and ger a— get really great outcomes and ger a gear— get really great outcomes and get a great start— get really great outcomes and get a great start in life in scboor— get a great start in life in scboor rs— get a great start in life in school is through high quality reacbrng.— school is through high quality teaching-now- school is through high qualityi teaching.-now.the teaching. and right now at the nonenr— teaching. and right now at the noneanrace— teaching. and right now at the moment-face a— teaching. and right now at the moment face a recruitment and moment we face a recruitment and rerendon— moment we face a recruitment and rerendon cnsrs— moment we face a recruitment and retention crisis across the broressron.— retention crisis across the profession. people leaving profession. people are leaving reacbrng— profession. people are leaving teaching-droves.- profession. people are leaving teaching droves. 1 in 5 teaching in their droves. 1 in 5 new teachers— teaching in their droves. 1 in 5 new teachers leave within the bad— new teachers leave within the bad coubre— new teachers leave within the first couple of— new teachers leave within the first couple of years, and bars— first couple of years, and bars wby— first couple of years, and bars wby r— first couple of years, and that's why i believe it's absolutely— that's why i believe it's absolutely essential that we address— absolutely essential that we address that— absolutely essential that we address that . _ absolutely essential that we address that . '“r: absolutely essential that we address that . ' “r: g“rt”rt t address that. and there's likely to be more disruption for rail passengers over the coming week. aslef members at 16 train companies in england will refuse to work overtime. operators rely on that to run their full timetable . the union says it's timetable. the union says it's calling for fair pay. the rail delivery group says aslef rejected its last offer of a £5,000 raise, which would bring the basic salary for drivers working a four day week to nearly £65,000. services will be affected from monday to saturday. more as it happens here on gb news. but now it's back to .

back to. emily thank you, aaron. can i just read out thank you, aaron. can i just read our one— thank you, aaron. can i just read out one email- can ijust read out one email that i just recerved— read out one email that i just received because— read out one email that i just received because it's made me raugb.— received because it's made me raugb. we— received because it's made me raugb. we ewe— received because it's made me laugh. we were talking about bosrdve— laugh. we were talking about positive discrimination before the positive discrimination before rbe break— positive discrimination before the break and— positive discrimination before the break and ants in. the break and ants written in. he the break and ants written in. ne-bebro.— the break and ants written in. he hello, straight he just says hello, straight wbrre— he just says hello, straight wbrre-are— he just says hello, straight white-are no- he just says hello, straight white are no longer white males are no longer regubed— white males are no longer required. laughing emoji emoji no-regubed— required. laughing emoji emoji no-regubed a- required. laughing emoji emoji no required a laughing no longer required a laughing end-r.— no longer required a laughing enob. r— no longer required a laughing enorr. r drdn-r— no longer required a laughing emoji. i didn't deliver that very— emoji. i didn't deliver that very web.— emoji. i didn't deliver that very well. made me very well. it just made me cbucbbe— very well. it just made me chuckle. . does - very well. it just made me chuckle. does seem that chuckle. it does seem that way sonednes— chuckle. it does seem that way sometimes. in— chuckle. it does seem that way sometimes. in particular recruitment— sometimes. in particular recruitment services, recruitment- recruitment services, recruitment processes anyway. bur— recruitment processes anyway. bur — recruitment processes anyway. but we're moving— recruitment processes anyway. but we're moving on to pro test baws— but we're moving on to pro test laws, new measures to crack down on drsrubdve— laws, new measures to crack down on disruptive protests came into force— on disruptive protests came into force roday. — on disruptive protests came into force today, including an evrbanson— force today, including an expansion of— force today, including an expansion of police powers and a cnnrnar— expansion of police powers and a new criminal offence of tunnelling— new criminal offence of tunnelling .— new criminal offence of tunnelling . authorities will now tunnelling. authorities will now bave— tunnelling. authorities will now bave bes— tunnelling. authorities will now bave bes ro— tunnelling. authorities will now have powers to disperse static boredo— have powers to disperse static broresrs. a— have powers to disperse static protests, a common tactic of groups— protests, a common tactic of groups nbe— protests, a common tactic of groups nbe yusr— protests, a common tactic of groups like just stop oil extinction— groups like just stop oil extinction rebellion joining me rs— extinction rebellion joining me rs cb— extinction rebellion joining me now is gb news— extinction rebellion joining me now is gb news political reboner— now is gb news political reporter catherine forster. carbenne— reporter catherine forster. catherine thank you, catherine. rbanb— catherine thank you, catherine. rbanb you— catherine thank you, catherine. rbanb you very— catherine thank you, catherine. thank you very much indeed. you are thank you very much indeed. you n— thank you very much indeed. you are in westminster. _ thank you very much indeed. you are in westminster. these broresr— are in westminster. these protest laws— are in westminster. these protest laws were very

controversial- protest laws were very controversial . i protest laws were very controversial. i imagine protest laws were very controversial . i imagine they controversial. i imagine they remain so . what— controversial. i imagine they remain so . what exactly is in remain so. what exactly is in one— remain so. what exactly is in one deran— remain so. what exactly is in the detail .7 _ remain so. what exactly is in the detail ? yes.— remain so. what exactly is in the detail? t/rts remain so. what exactly is in the detail ? v.35 the detail? yes. so the government have really lost patience with just stop oil extinction rebellion et cetera. and of course, while the right to be able to peacefully protest is very important and something that we cherish rightly in this country, there is a fine line, isn't there, because the disruption has been massive. we saw only yesterday just stop oil disrupting the pride march last week at the cricket again and the ashes were disrupted . the the ashes were disrupted. the grand national recently and so often roads blocked , motorways often roads blocked, motorways brought to a standstill . all so brought to a standstill. all so these measures that have come in today to parts really, first of today to parts really, first of to all, give police far greater powers in tackling things like static protests where people just basically plonk themselves down and will not move. and also

tunnelling. now, in the case of tunnelling. now, in the case of tunnelling , that's a new tunnelling, that's a new criminal offence as of today, if you are found of being present in a tunnel to cause serious disruption, you could be jailed for up to three years. and of course it's only a couple of years ago since people tunnelled euston station against hs2. it did cause massive , massive did cause massive, massive disruption. now the home secretary, suella braverman , is secretary, suella braverman, is taking quite a tough line. she said the public have had enough of their lives being disrupted by selfish protesters . we will by selfish protesters. we will keep our roads and those hard working people moving. the government think that they are on the right side of public opinion with this. they think that a lot of people are thoroughly fed up with the disruption we remember, don't we? only a year or two ago, london bridges across the thames were blocked by extinction rebellion ambulances that needed urgently to get people to

hospital couldn't. and you know , potential threat to life . so , potential threat to life. so the government will be thinking these measures are popular and they will be hoping that the police will enforce them stringently . thank you very much stringently. thank you very much rndeed— stringently. thank you very much rndeed .— stringently. thank you very much indeed . catherine— 3 thank you very much indeed . catherine foster there. indeed. catherine foster there. gb indeed. catherine foster there. on news— indeed. catherine foster there. gb news political reporter, rebbng— gb news political reporter, rerrrng us— gb news political reporter, telling us all— gb news political reporter, telling us all about these new and—broresr— telling us all about these new anti—protest laws. with me in one— anti—protest laws. with me in one srudro— anti—protest laws. with me in one srudro .— anti—protest laws. with me in the studio , darren grimes and the studio, darren grimes and aaron— the studio, darren grimes and aaron burstein_ the studio, darren grimes and aaron burstein .— the studio, darren grimes and aaron burstein . ani darren, the aaron burstein. ani darren, the governnenr— aaron burstein. ani darren, the government says— aaron burstein. ani darren, the government says these measures wbr— government says these measures wrbr be— government says these measures wrrr be boond— government says these measures will be popular. they hope these measures will— will be popular. they hope these measures will be _ will be popular. they hope these measures will be popular. are obeye— measures will be popular. are rbeye r— measures will be popular. are rbeye r rbrnb— measures will be popular. are they? i think the— measures will be popular. are they? i think the british people are fundamentally a fair people, ngbre — are fundamentally a fair people, rrgbre and— are fundamentally a fair people, right? and they— are fundamentally a fair people, right? ' “r: t are fundamentally a fair people, right? “r: t right? and they respect the right? and they respect the right to protest. they respect in any democracy as as robust as our own . the right to do that our own. the right to do that should be respected and cherished within law. what they don't respect is some unwashed, middle class hippie sitting in front of the road preventing the ambulances getting from a to b , ambulances getting from a to b, putting lives at risk and preventing the day to day

machinations of our everyday lives. so our fundamental italy just can't understand why we haven't done any of these measures sooner, frankly, because i think suella braverman is probably the only cabinet minister who actually is in touch with what the british people are thinking. hang on. saying i'll come to aaron in just one moment. but darren, do you worry.— just one moment. but darren, do you worry. okay— just one moment. but darren, do you worry. obay we— just one moment. but darren, do you worry. okay we may- but darren, do you worry. okay we may support obese— you worry. okay we may support rbese rybes— you worry. okay we may support rbese rybes or— you worry. okay we may support these types of measures when it ro— these types of measures when it ro groups— these types of measures when it comes to groups like just stop oil comes to groups like just stop on and— comes to groups like just stop oil and extinction rebellion . oil and extinction rebellion. bur— oil and extinction rebellion. bur wbar— oil and extinction rebellion. bur wbar b— oil and extinction rebellion. but what if these powers were used — but what if these powers were used by— but what if these powers were used by a— but what if these powers were used by a different government in used by a different government be one— used by a different government be be rude— used by a different government in the future and— used by a different government in the future and they were used to in the future and they were used ro cranb— in the future and they were used ro cranb down— in the future and they were used to clamp down on— in the future and they were used to clamp down on something that we bobb— to clamp down on something that we both wanted— to clamp down on something that we both wanted to— to clamp down on something that we both wanted to go out and broresre— we both wanted to go out and broresre bo— we both wanted to go out and protest? do you— we both wanted to go out and protest? do you worry about that 7 protest? do you worry about that e bur— protest? do you worry about that e bur r— protest? do you worry about that e bur r never— protest? do you worry about that ? butl never think— protest? do you worry about that ? but i never think that- protest? do you worry about that ? but i never think that it's proportionate to stand in the middle of the road and block an ambulance. so fundamental. middle of the road and block an ambulance. so fundamental . ali ambulance. so fundamental. ali you i would probably you know, i would probably support government support the government of the day, whatever is on day, whatever colour it is on saying the wrong thing to saying that's the wrong thing to do. there are ways to protest, to aggressively use a tunnel to be honest with you, i'm not aware of the concept of

tunnelling. you know, i thought that was a channel tunnel type experience, but not, you know, perhaps aaron does. perhaps you have experience— perhaps aaron does. perhaps you have experience of— perhaps aaron does. perhaps you have experience of it— perhaps you have experience of it from 2nd of july— have experience of it from 2nd of yury bday— have experience of it from 2nd of july today, being found gurrry— of july today, being found gurrry or— of july today, being found guilty of tunnelling or being presenc— guilty of tunnelling or being bresenr n— guilty of tunnelling or being bresenr n a— guilty of tunnelling or being present in a tunnel to cause serious disruption. could see beobbe— serious disruption. could see beobre jailed— serious disruption. could see people jailed for— serious disruption. could see people jailed for up to three years— people jailed for up to three years r— people jailed for up to three yea r ea— people jailed for up to three years. i mean, i— people jailed for up to three years. i mean, i find that ridiculous,— years. i mean, i find that ridiculous, frankly. the well, rboro— ridiculous, frankly. the well, rboro aro— ridiculous, frankly. the well, there are people out there who are who are doing hit and runs. there's a story of a hit and run, recently petered out, has a daughter, he's an mp, labour mp. i'm saying this because i'm only saying this because this case know of. his this is a case i know of. his daughter for the nhs. daughter worked for the nhs. there was a hit and run. she died. that was a dangerous driver. it was. maybe it was driver. or it was. maybe it was a i can't remember. a young woman. i can't remember. they prison for about they went to prison for about a yeah they went to prison for about a year. they were back the road year. they were back on the road again two years so they can again in two years so they can take a life. and yet somebody in a brownite whataboutery. no. a brownite whataboutery. no, no. but found in a tunnel a brownite whataboutery. no, no. but three found in a tunnel a brownite whataboutery. no, no. but three years.und in a tunnel a brownite whataboutery. no, no. but three years. itci in a tunnel a brownite whataboutery. no, no. but three years. i don't} tunnel a brownite whataboutery. no, no. but three years. i don't think el gets three years. i don't think that's proportionate potentially. but they potentially. but what if they bad—roe- potentially. but what if they bad—roe - potentially. but what if they bad—roe ri potentially. but what if they. had _to? i don't had been planning to? i don't brow.— had been planning to? i don't know. presume?_ had been planning to? i don't know. presume? i— had been planning to? i don't know. presume? i don't know what one does in a tunnel. but

imagine very imagine it could be very disruptive in a tunnel. disruptive of well, in a tunnel. i assume it, especially in the or— i assume it, especially in the or use.— i assume it, especially in the case of hs2. you— i assume it, especially in the case of hs2. you don't know what obey— case of hs2. you don't know what rbey courd— case of hs2. you don't know what they could have— case of hs2. you don't know what they could have done to the infrastructure _ they could have done to the infrastructure been infrastructure that had been braced— infrastructure that had been placed—could. infrastructure that had been placed—could be placed there. so it could be a nadonar— placed there. so it could be a national-issue- placed there. so it could be a national issue that's national security issue that's abeady— national security issue that's already-already- already that's already covered by_anti—terror- by things like anti—terror legislation. _ by things like anti—terrori legislation. -lot by things like anti—terror. legislation. -lot of legislation. that is a lot of this. that's what i'm not sure about. a lot of this is already covered. are watching it covered. people are watching it and surely police and saying, surely the police can can arrest can stop that. they can arrest them they can. so i'm them and they can. so i'm wondering why these is being created. it is a very good point. why need more laws point. why do we need more laws onisrarure— point. why do we need more laws on - statute -when - point. why do we need more laws on - statute -when we - point. why do we need more laws on-statute-when we it'si on the statute book when we it's abready— on the statute book when we it's arready rrregar— on the statute book when we it's already illegal to _ on the statute book when we it's already illegal to blockade a road.— already illegal to blockade a road. rasr— already illegal to blockade a road. rad-r— already illegal to blockade a road. last i looked so why road. last time i looked so why do-rbese— road. last time i looked so why do-these powers?- road. last time i looked so why do these powers? is it do we need these powers? is it rusr— do we need these powers? is it rusr so— do we need these powers? is it y-usr so one— do we need these powers? is it just so the government can say, on— just so the government can say, on. were— just so the government can say, on. dong— just so the government can say, oh, we're doing this to clamp down— oh, we're doing this to clamp down-broo— oh, we're doing this to clamp down-stop oil?- oh, we're doing this to clamp down stop oil? and they down on just stop oil? and they rbrnb— down on just stop oil? and they rbrnb-rben— down on just stop oil? and they think-them some- think it will get them some bornrse — think it will get them some points? ithink— think it will get them some points? ithink-anl points? i think there's an element that, there's element of that, but there's also element of there being also an element of there being selective in view, selective policing. in my view, where two tier where you've got two tier policing where certain issues that you protest unlike that you protest and unlike lockdown, that you protest and unlike lockdotacceptable. and then totally acceptable. and then when you're campaigning against nice green issues when you're campaigning against nice all green issues when you're campaigning against nice all political green issues when you're campaigning against nice all political parties ssues that all political parties support, well, that's a okay. so i think the government have had to say the police, as we're

to say to the police, as we're putting through new legislation on the law of the on this is now the law of the land. on this is now the law of the land . no more excuses. get to it land. no more excuses. get to it and the law . do you and enforce the law. do you think the government- fr: t do you think the government are sharon, nrgbr— think the government are sharon, nrgbr be— think the government are sharon, might be worried— think the government are sharon, might be worried that pro broresrs— might be worried that pro protests could— might be worried that pro protests could increase in their reguranry— protests could increase in their regularity considering the economic situation we've seen in one— economic situation we've seen in orber european— economic situation we've seen in other european countries , in other european countries, in canada— other european countries, in canada and— other european countries, in canada and the— other european countries, in canada and the us more and more beobbe— canada and the us more and more beobre gerrrng— canada and the us more and more people getting out_ canada and the us more and more people getting out onto the seeds— people getting out onto the seeds for— people getting out onto the streets for one— people getting out onto the streets for one reason or anorber. — streets for one reason or anorber. r— streets for one reason or another. i think that's entirely rrgbr. — another. i think that's entirely rrgbr. r— another. i think that's entirely rrgbr. r rbrnb— another. i think that's entirely right. i think the— another. i think that's entirely right. i think the big- another. i think that's entirely right. trrg {w113 right. i think the big picture here is, look, the legacy media loves about how, you loves to talk about how, you know, had the return of know, we've had the return of the centre sunak starmer. everything's going back to normal. your audience, your viewers, your listeners know things aren't going back to normal. know inflation normal. they know that inflation is interest are is very high. interest rates are high. we a lot of crises in high. we have a lot of crises in this country. said it this country. darren said it earlier you know, nothing's earlier on. you know, nothing's really right now. really functioning right now. that's political that's not a party political point. way, for point. and by the way, for laboun point. and by the way, for labour, they come in in 2024, labour, if they come in in 2024, that's going to be very hard to rectify. whatever you think of them. think that, yes, them. so i think that, yes, we're going to a massive we're going to see a massive upturn protest. i think upturn in protest. i think that's when you've

that's inevitable when you've got food inflation at 20, i i'm surprised it hasn't already come , frankly. and your point earlier about, well, what if there was protest in the future, which you agreed with, would you still back it? that is so important for me personally, i don't foxhunting, but if don't support foxhunting, but if somebody to the somebody wanted to change the law to hunting and law in regard to fox hunting and they traffic or they they stopped traffic or they were in a tunnel, i don't think they should be facing three years prison. i think that's years in prison. i think that's disproportion, innit? it's a waste taxpayer money because waste of taxpayer money because three quite three years in prison is quite pricey. if you're pricey. but ivan, what if you're pregnant? why, for example, was rryrng— pregnant? why, for example, was rryrnglger— pregnant? why, for example, was rryrnglger a— pregnant? why, for example, was trying-get a hospital- g 7 why, for example, was trying get a hospital and trying to get a hospital and someone's on— trying to get a hospital and someone's on the road protesting agarnsr— someone's on the road protesting agarnerbunr— someone's on the road protesting agarnerbunr-r— someone's on the road protesting against hunt i imagine against fox hunt and i imagine you-d—rbrngs- against fox hunt and i imagine you-d—rbrngs roi against fox hunt and i imagine you'd things to say you'd have a few things to say abour— you'd have a few things to say abour-rben— you'd have a few things to say about-then not- you'd have a few things to say about-then not to- about that then not to personalise- about that then not to personalise it, but that's when you— personalise it, but that's when you by— personalise it, but that's when you by and— personalise it, but that's when you try and generate legislation. .3 you try and generate- legislation. .try and you legislation. you try and you don't about things an don't talk about things in an emotive do you try and make emotive way. do you try and make a general for everyone? a general rule for everyone? most of the time, most places, most of the time, i don't think three is don't think three years is proportionate fair is a very proportionate and fair is a very difficult an difficult one. it is an extremely— z t it is an extremely difficult one difficult one. it is an- extremely difficult one because i a extremely difficult one because r-a scenaro— extremely difficult one because i-a scenario, for- i do see a scenario, for evanobe— i do see a scenario, for example, during the pandemic rbere—wbol there were many people who wanred— there were many people who waded-our- there were many people who wanted out against wanted to protest out against bocbdowns— wanted to protest out against rocbdowns .—

wanted to protest out against lockdowns . police have to lockdowns. police have to enorce— lockdowns. police have to enforce the _ lockdowns. police have to enforce the law. i think your bond— enforce the law. i think your pond on— enforce the law. i think your point on selective policing is a very— point on selective policing is a very srrong— point on selective policing is a very srrong one— point on selective policing is a very strong one. i— point on selective policing is a very strong one. i remember when the very strong one. i remember when rbe brack— very strong one. i remember when the black lives— very strong one. i remember when the black lives matter protest berry— the black lives matter protest were pretty much— the black lives matter protest were pretty much left alone desbrre— were pretty much left alone despite them _ were pretty much left alone despite them being against well, he despite them being against well, be-cobres— despite them being against well, he-copies taken— despite them being against well, he copies taken the knee. he had copies taken the knee. vou— he had copies taken the knee. vou bad— he had copies taken the knee. you had copies— he had copies taken the knee. you had copies taken- he had copies taken the knee. you had copies taken the- he had copies taken the knee. you had copies taken the knee. well, exactly. so it does need to well, exactly. so it does need b be— well, exactly. so it does need b be rrrsr— well, exactly. so it does need to be first and— �*fvr�*rttt clxe�*cccq so it does need to be first and foremost, the raw— to be first and foremost, the raw does— to be first and foremost, the law does need— to be first and foremost, the law does need to— to be first and foremost, the law does need to apply equally barny— law does need to apply equally fairly-without— law does need to apply equally fairly without prejudice on fairly and without prejudice on on ad— fairly and without prejudice on on ad or— fairly and without prejudice on on ad or — fairly and without prejudice on on all of us. otherwise no one wbr— on all of us. otherwise no one wrbr rrusr— on all of us. otherwise no one will trust the— on all of us. otherwise no one will trust the police. no one wru— will trust the police. no one wrbr rrusr— will trust the police. no one will trust the— will trust the police. no one will trust the law . that's all will trust the law. that's all gor— will trust the law. that's all we've got time— will trust the law. that's all we've got time for on that one. bur— we've got time for on that one. bur novrng— we've got time for on that one. bur novrng on— we've got time for on that one. but moving on, lots of you have been— but moving on, lots of you have been gerrrng— but moving on, lots of you have been gerrrng n— but moving on, lots of you have been getting in touch with your rbougbrs— been getting in touch with your rbougbrs on— been getting in touch with your thoughts on -of- been getting in touch with your thoughts on of miles of thoughts on hundreds of miles of overbead— thoughts on hundreds of miles of overbead-and— thoughts on hundreds of miles of overhead and pylons. overhead cables and pylons. rbey-re—rasri they're expected to be fast rracbed. — they're expected to be fast tracked. -for- they're expected to be fast tracked. -for net - they're expected to be fast tracked. for net zero tracked. that's for net zero rargers — tracked. that's for net zero targets. there's— tracked. that's for net zero targets. there's a lot of local obbosrrron. — targets. there's a lot of local opposition. ian,— targets. there's a lot of local opposition. ian, are you for the byrons— opposition. ian, are you for the byrons or— opposition. ian, are you for the pylons or against— opposition. ian, are you for the pylons or against it? the byrons.— pylons or against it? the byrons. seab— pylons or against it? the pylons, sean from has pylons, sean from cheshire has got pylons, sean from cheshire has gob-ne— pylons, sean from cheshire has gob-be says.- pylons, sean from cheshire has gob-be says. r-n- got in touch. he says, i'm a conservadve— got in touch. he says, i'm a conservative-and- conservative voter and regardress— conservative voter and . regardless-people conservative voter and- regardless-people think regardless of what people think abour—ro- about net zero moving to renewabbes— about net zero moving to renewables with diverse energy renewables with a diverse energy mix renewables with a diverse energy bra-onw— renewables with a diverse energy nrv-onry barb— renewables with a diverse energy mix only path energy mix is the only path to energy independence— mix is the only path to energy independence eradicating our independence and eradicating our rebance— independence and eradicating our rebance on— independence and eradicating our reliance on foreign— independence and eradicating our reliance on foreign gas. independence and eradicating our reliance on foreign gas . you reliance on foreign gas. you make— reliance on foreign gas. you make a— reliance on foreign gas. you make a good— reliance on foreign gas. you make a good point there. we are rnbonrng— make a good point there. we are rnbonrng rar— make a good point there. we are importing far too—

make a good point there. we are importing far too much of our gas. — importing far too much of our gas. and— importing far too much of our gas. and as— importing far too much of our gas. and as we've— importing far too much of our gas. and as we've seen, putin is very— gas. and as we've seen, putin is very nucb— gas. and as we've seen, putin is very nucb abre— gas. and as we've seen, putin is very much able to— gas. and as we've seen, putin is very much able to manipulate the once— very much able to manipulate the once or— very much able to manipulate the once or bar. — very much able to manipulate the price of that. written price of that. stevens written in. price of that. stevens written rn. -.— price of that. stevens written rn. -. n— price of that. stevens written rn. -. be one- price of that. stevens written in. , in the north—east, in. he says, in the north—east, as darren will— in. he says, in the north—east, as darren will confirm, the byrons— as darren will confirm, the pylons-cables- as darren will confirm, the pylons cables are not the pylons and cables are not the answer. remember the storm that saw answer. remember the storm that bans— answer. remember the storm that saw parts without— answer. remember the storm that saw parts without for days saw parts without power for days due—e— saw parts without power for days due—e dood- saw parts without power for days due—e cood job. i saw parts without power for daysi due_? good job. we due to high winds? good job. we had due to high winds? good job. we bad-range— due to high winds? good job. we bad-range and— due to high winds? good job. we had-range and a- due to high winds? good job. we had range and a wood had a gas range and a wood burner.— had a gas range and a wood burner. well,— had a gas range and a wood burner. well, yes, if things go bear— burner. well, yes, if things go bear-you— burner. well, yes, if things go bear-you bave- burner. well, yes, if things go pear-you have to- burner. well, yes, if things go pear you have to rely on pear shaped, you have to rely on wbar-s— pear shaped, you have to rely on what's natural— pear shaped, you have to rely on what's natural to— pear shaped, you have to rely on what's natural to us or the wood , what's natural to us or the wood .lreasr. — what's natural to us or the wood .lreasr. -says— what's natural to us or the wood ,.least.-says living- what's natural to us or the wood , least. says living in , at least. carol says living in borrow.— , at least. carol says living in wonorb. we— , at least. carol says living in norfolk, we are— , at least. carol says living in norfolk, we are known for the bee— norfolk, we are known for the bee rs.— norfolk, we are known for the one no bugs.— norfolk, we are known for the three p's, pigs, plains and byrons.— three p's, pigs, plains and byrons. we-ve— three p's, pigs, plains and pylons. we've also had a new erecrnc— pylons. we've also had a new electric station _ pylons. we've also had a new electric station built. well, rbanbs— electric station built. well, banks for— electric station built. well, thanks for letting us know. very nce— thanks for letting us know. very nrce—rbere- thanks for letting us know. very nrce—rbere .- thanks for letting us know. very nice _there . keep- nice local intel there. keep your— nice local intel there. keep your vrews— nice local intel there. keep your views coming in. subscribe to your views coming in. subscribe roivourube— your views coming in. subscribe to .youtube-followl to our youtube channel. follow usirwrrrer. — to our youtube channel. follow us.twitter. we're— to our youtube channel. follow us twitter. we're at gb news. us on twitter. we're at gb news. vou— us on twitter. we're at gb news. you ae— us on twitter. we're at gb news. you or— us on twitter. we're at gb news. you are, of course,— us on twitter. we're at gb news. you are, of course, watching and rrsrenrng— you are, of course, watching and rrsrenrnglcb— you are, of course, watching and listening-gb news— you are, of course, watching and listening gb news sunday with listening to gb news sunday with me, listening to gb news sunday with neeve—w gor- me, emily carver. we've got brenry— me, emily carver. we've got brenry nore— me, emily carver. we've got brenry more-ub- me, emily carver. we've got plenty more up on me, emily carver. we've got- plenty more-up on today's plenty more coming up on today's snow.— plenty more coming up on today's snow-innergy— plenty more coming up on today's show..energy bills,— plenty more coming up on today's show. energy bills, rising show. hi energy bills, rising nongage— show. hi energy bills, rising nongage-arei show. hi energy bills, rising mortgage are just show. hi energy bills, rising- mortgage-are just some mortgage payments are just some of mortgage payments are just some or-racrors— mortgage payments are just some of-factors forcing- of the many factors forcing households— of the many factors forcing households withdraw their households to withdraw their bad— households to withdraw their. hard—remember hard earned savings. remember wben— hard earned savings. remember wben we— hard earned savings. remember when we were talking about beobre— when we were talking about beobre savrng— when we were talking about people saving and saving during rocbdown— people saving and saving during rocbdown e— people saving and saving during rocbdown e n— people saving and saving during lockdown ? 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savings. i'm asking, is the uk running out of— savings. i'm asking, is the uk running out of money? simple guesdon— running out of money? simple guesdon .— running out of money? simple guesrron . abb— running out of money? simple question . all of— running out of money? simple question . all of that and more question. all of that and more to question. all of that and more b cone— question. all of that and more b r-n— question. all of that and more to come. i'm emily carver. you-e— to come. i'm emily carver. you're watching- to come. i'm emily carver. you're watching and listening to gb you're watching and listening to on news.— you're watching and listening to gb news, britain's— you're watching and listening to gb news, britain's news channel. bebo— gb news, britain's news channel. nerrorbere. — gb news, britain's news channel. hello there. i'm— gb news, britain's news channel. hello there. i'm greg- gb news, britain's news channel. hello there. cittrg r hello there. i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast . we're news weather forecast. we're looking rain or showers. the looking at rain or showers. the next be some next few days there'll be some bright sunny spells, rather bright or sunny spells, rather chilly, but it does start to warm later in the and we warm up later in the week and we can see with the bigger picture, low pressure sat to the north—east of the uk . we've got north—east of the uk. we've got a cool north westerly breeze, quite gusty around the coasts and outbreaks of showery rain pushing across the country too. so to end the day, we do have showers across the northern half of the uk. some of these still heavy, more persistent rain heavy, some more persistent rain moving into the moving from orkney into the mainland. northern parts of scotland. here, clearer spells overnight developing further south, but still some scattered showers moving in and temperatures for most of us tonight holding up in double figures. so a brighter start monday morning compared to sunday. yes, we'll already have showers the north and the showers across the north and the west. this spell of heavier ,

west. this spell of heavier, more persistent rain will slowly push way some push its way eastwards. some uncertainty with the exact positioning of this, but we could see some heavy downpours, paws some rumbles of thunder paws and some rumbles of thunder within that to the south, generally quite cloudy, some sunny spells, but also scattered showers . showers further north, showers. showers further north, too. then rain still too. and then this rain still continuing to sink south across scotland. and for many quite a chilly afternoon. temperatures generally in the high teens to very low 20s further showers to end monday. this rain starting to fragment a little bit, but still pushing southwards across scotland with further showers behind it and then overnight into tuesday morning, perhaps some more persistent rain moving into southern parts of england . into southern parts of england. much needed rain across this part of the world. temperatures generally, again holding up in double figures . so a cloudy, wet double figures. so a cloudy, wet start across southern counties of england and wales likely on tuesday morning. some heavy bursts possible as this system slowly pushes its way south eastwards, followed by sunshine and showers for the rest of the

day. further showers and rain on wednesday, but perhaps drier and warmer by thursday

news radio. yes. welcome \r tvtr: yes. welcome back. news radio. yes. welcome back. you-re— news radio. yes. welcome back. vou-re warcbrng— \r tvtr: yes. welcome back. you're watching listening to gb wews— you're watching listening to gb wews sunday— you're watching listening to gb news sunday with me, emily carver— news sunday with me, emily carver on— news sunday with me, emily carver on your— news sunday with me, emily carver on your tv, online and drgrrar— carver on your tv, online and drgrrar radro. — carver on your tv, online and digital radio. now, i saw a son— digital radio. now, i saw a srory n— digital radio. now, i saw a srory be one— digital radio. now, i saw a story in the papers this week rbar— story in the papers this week that shocked— story in the papers this week that shocked me.— story in the papers this week that shocked me. the uk seems to be u— that shocked me. the uk seems to be u courd— that shocked me. the uk seems to be u courd be— that shocked me. the uk seems to be it could be cashless as ranrbes— be it could be cashless as families are— be it could be cashless as families are flocking to wrrbdraw— families are flocking to withdraw their funds, britons are withdraw their funds, britons burbng— withdraw their funds, britons are pulling money out of their savrngs— are pulling money out of their savings accounts— are pulling money out of their savings accounts at the fastest rare— savings accounts at the fastest rate ever recorded— savings accounts at the fastest rate ever recorded . and new data rate ever recorded. and new data brgbbgbrs— rate ever recorded. and new data brgbbgbrs bow— rate ever recorded. and new data highlights how people in the uk bave— highlights how people in the uk have accumulated £101 billion wonb— have accumulated £101 billion wonb or— have accumulated £101 billion worth of debt— have accumulated £101 billion worth of debt since the start of 202g — worth of debt since the start of 2023. household— worth of debt since the start of 2023. household budgets are sbebcbed— 2023. household budgets are stretched, of— 2023. household budgets are stretched, of course, to battle cbe— stretched, of course, to battle rbe nsrng— stretched, of course, to battle the rising cost— stretched, of course, to battle the rising cost of— stretched, of course, to battle the rising cost of living. so wbo— the rising cost of living. so wbo benea— the rising cost of living. so who better to _ the rising cost of living. so who better to talk to than dr. roger— who better to talk to than dr. roger schwalbe _ who better to talk to than dr. roger schwalbe ,_ who better to talk to than dr. roger schwalbe , a former advisor roger schwalbe, a former advisor to roger schwalbe, a former advisor b be — roger schwalbe, a former advisor b be babb— roger schwalbe, a former advisor b one bank or— roger schwalbe, a former advisor to the bank of england and the uk to the bank of england and the db rreasurye— to the bank of england and the uk treasury? now, some of the sradsdcs— uk treasury? now, some of the statistics i've— uk treasury? now, some of the

statistics i've read— uk treasury? now, some of the statistics i've read about the aur— statistics i've read about the aur or— statistics i've read about the amount of money that people are wrrbdrawrng— amount of money that people are withdrawing from _ amount of money that people are withdrawing from their accounts is withdrawing from their accounts rs gube— withdrawing from their accounts is quite shocking— withdrawing from their accounts is quite shocking actually, becaue— is quite shocking actually, because during the pandemic , because during the pandemic, gube— because during the pandemic, dune a— because during the pandemic, due a bor— because during the pandemic, due a rod or— because during the pandemic, quite a lot of middle class beobre— quite a lot of middle class beobre wbo— quite a lot of middle class people who kept their jobs worbrng— people who kept their jobs worbrng ar— people who kept their jobs working at home managed to gube— working at home managed to accrue quite a— working at home managed to accrue quite a.of- working at home managed to accrue quite a of savings, accrue quite a lot of savings, as are we now spending those savrngs— as are we now spending those savrngs rs— as are we now spending those savings is necessarily i savings is not necessarily i rrrsr— savings is not necessarily i mean, first of— savings is not necessarily i mean, first of all, thank you very— mean, first of all, thank you very nucb. — mean, first of all, thank you very much. it's— mean, first of all, thank you very much. . very much. it's lovely to be back and i feel feel back here. and i feel i feel really at home. i should perhaps be n— really at home. i should perhaps be be one— really at home. i should perhaps be be one-or— really at home. i should perhaps be in the-of these- really at home. i should perhaps be in the _of these chapsi be in the middle of these chaps becaue r— be in the middle of these chaps because, i mean,— be in the middle of these chaps because, i mean, you know, i'm a consumer champion,— because, i mean, you know, i'm a consumer champion, a people's cbanbron. — consumer champion, a people's champion. .where- consumer champion, a people's champion. g consumer champion, a people's. champion. .wherelbelong is champion. and where i belong is in illustrious in between these two illustrious bookends. so in between these two illustrious bookends . so i feel really bookends. so i feel really comfortable. _ bookends. so i feel really comfortable. you're- : so i feel really comfortable. /rtr ”rt bookends. so i feel really comfortable. you're the filling in the sandwich. that's. well, no, i'm at the midway point. you know, between the two of them. yeah.i know, between the two of them. yeah. i think one has to be careful about statements quite as sweeping as that. there's been about well if their figures are to be believed because they aren't the bank of aren't always the bank of england announced £4.6 billion withdrawn from savings in the month of may, but but i think we need to remember that a lot of thatis need to remember that a lot of that is people paying down debt

and mortgages and credit cards and mortgages and credit cards and other things because interest rates have risen so high. so they're not spending it and they're not cashless. they're just getting rid. they're just getting rid. they're shaking off some of that debt because it's become unnecessarily becomes so unnecessary, in my view, become so expensive . kyiv but yes, we so expensive. kyiv but yes, we are spending a lot . 45% of are spending a lot. 45% of people with mortgages , according people with mortgages, according to a study by one of the debt charities. if i recall it, stepchange are having trouble meeting bills kyiv and 4% of the entire british public. that's 68 million of us are going to run out of money by the end of this year. well, there we go, people are year. well, there we go, people runnrng— year. well, there we go, people are running out— year. well, there we go, people are running out of— well, there we go, people are running out of money, so dds— are running out of money, so us nor— are running out of money, so us nor rusr— are running out of money, so it's not just paying down credit cards— it's not just paying down credit cards and— it's not just paying down credit cards and debt— it's not just paying down credit cards and debt payments and nongage— cards and debt payments and mortgage payments . it's people mortgage payments. it's people are mortgage payments. it's people berng— mortgage payments. it's people berng berr— mortgage payments. it's people are being left with less and res— are being left with less and res and— are being left with less and less and less— are being left with less and less and less at— are being left with less and less and less at the end of the nonrb. — less and less at the end of the nonrb. and— less and less at the end of the nonrb. and r— less and less at the end of the month. and i hasten- less and less at the end of the month. ' “r: t“ less and less at the end of the month. and i hasten to add that those numbers were before the last interest rate rise, the 13th. well, you've been very vocab— 13th. well, you've been very vocab abour— 13th. well, you've been very vocal about what— �*3“ well, you've been very vocal about what you 3.“ well, you've been very vocal about what you think of the vocal about what you think of one babb—

vocal about what you think of one bank or— vocal about what you think of the bank of england's decision to the bank of england's decision b be— the bank of england's decision to hike those— the bank of england's decision to hike those interest rates agabn— to hike those interest rates agarn. vou— to hike those interest rates again. you think it's the wrong decrsron— again. you think it's the wrong decrsron and— again. you think it's the wrong decision and is— again. you think it's the wrong decision and is having? well devasradng— decision and is having? well devastating impacts could have devasradng— devastating impacts could have devastating impacts. t/rts devastating impacts could have devastating impacts. v.35 devastating impacts. yes. i've been— devastating impacts. yes. i've been sayrng— devastating impacts. yes. i've been saying this since the first rate rise. what we have is non consumer driven inflation. we're not spending . people are not spending. people are choosing between heating and eating , aren't they? well, we're eating, aren't they? well, we're not overspend adding it's not like the states where they they have 1,000,000,000,007 of money under the mattress from the pandemic. we don't have anywhere near much. and they do have near as much. and they do have consumer spending and they have raised interest rates . and it raised interest rates. and it has more than half the inflation to less than 5% here. ours hasn't dropped at all. it just keeps going up. and the bank of england simply is now stuck in such a rut they can't admit it. what you do with this kind of inflation, which is called cost push, is let it run itself out because it comes from fuel and energy supplies and services and indeed food, food prices are dropping. fuel prices . energy dropping. fuel prices. energy costs are dropping. it runs

itself out. in 2009, we had the same thing almost, and the bank of england did not raise interest rates. but to do it 13 times is so out of touch , so times is so out of touch, so insane. and the damage it's done to the property market generate an rent. the rental market, the bank of mum and dad. it's been devastating and we haven't even seen the effects from this 13th rise. it's totally insane . i rise. it's totally insane. i understand that and i'm sorry. i understand that and i'm sorry. i understand that and i'm sorry. i understand that andrew bailey is actually holding secret meetings with stop oil because he's under such criticism now that he's trying to learn how to glue himself to his chair at the bank of england. breaking news there. i'll of england. breaking news there. r-bb bave— of england. breaking news there. r-bb bave ro— of england. breaking news there. i'll have to fact— of england. breaking news there. i'll have to fact-that- 3: breaking news there. i'll have to fact that one i'll have to fact check that one in i'll have to fact check that one rnibreab.— i'll have to fact check that one in-break. roger,— i'll have to fact check that one in break. roger, i'm not in the break. roger, i'm not rbar-s— in the break. roger, i'm not sure that's-you. in the break. roger, i'm not. sure that's-you know, sure that's true, but you know, he sure that's true, but you know, be rs— sure that's true, but you know, be rs n— sure that's true, but you know, be rs n a— sure that's true, but you know, he is in a sticky— sure that's true, but you know, he is in a sticky situation. so once— he is in a sticky situation. so once you— he is in a sticky situation. so rbere you go. — he is in a sticky situation. so rbere you go. r— he is in a sticky situation. so there you go. i better take that one sitting down. all right. let's one sitting down. all right. beds bung— one sitting down. all right. let's bring you— one sitting down. all right. let's bring you in- one sitting down. all right. let's bring you in on- .. “r; : all right. let's bring you in on this, becaue— let's bring you in on this, because we were just discussing in because we were just discussing nvveren—r— because we were just discussing rn—weren-ribowl in the break, weren't we, how one— in the break, weren't we, how one ub— in the break, weren't we, how one ub .— in the break, weren't we, how one ub . we— in the break, weren't we, how the uk , we always talk about how the uk, we always talk about how we're one of the— the uk, we always talk about how we're one of the biggest economies— we're one of the biggest economies in— we're one of the biggest economies in the world that, economies in the world and that, you-beobbe— economies in the world and that, you-beobbe wand- economies in the world and that, you-people want to - economies in the world and that, you people want to come you know, people want to come bere— you know, people want to come bere non — you know, people want to come here from all— you know, people want to come here from all across the world to here from all across the world

ro nabe — here from all across the world ro make a— here from all across the world to make a living— here from all across the world to make a living improve to make a living and improve rbeb— to make a living and improve rbeb bbves— to make a living and improve their lives-are- to make a living and improve their lives. are we actually their lives. but are we actually be a— their lives. but are we actually be a poor— their lives. but are we actually be a poor country— their lives. but are we actually be a poor country masquerading as a ncb— be a poor country masquerading as a ncb — be a poor country masquerading as a rich one? my— be a poor country masquerading as a rich one? swbyr . as a rich one? my view is that you take out the south—east of england and you take out london, the m25. we're in many parts of the m25. we're in many parts of the country. we're a middle income country. know i in income country. know i was in poland late last year and frankly, many of their larger towns, smaller cities, feel more affluent than what we have here in the uk. really very striking. you get a place like krakow of poznan, katowice, they feel wealthier than places like leeds or newcastle. just an observation , purely anecdotal, observation, purely anecdotal, but that's how feels . and but that's how it feels. and some of the numbers back it up in terms of this. this data. i mean, it a surprise when mean, is it a surprise when you've got the average savings rate is around 2.37, but the average mortgage is 6.37. so you've got no incentives to save as we've already heard. you obviously have to spend a lot of money to. and this is really counterproductive. live on the on the workings of the bank of england themselves, because one of the reasons why you increase interest rates. i agree a

interest rates. i agree it's a stupid to too, is you stupid thing to do, too, is you obviously want to quell consumer demand. one of that demand. one way of doing that is, you incentivise is, of course, you incentivise more to save because more people to save because they'll return on they'll find a higher return on their because savings their savings because savings rates go up. but they're not going in a really going up. so we're in a really bad . and even though bad situation. and even though the england's done this the bank of england's done this with interest rates, not with interest rates, it's not feeding a real feeding through to savers a real mess is being made of the whole situation, frankly. darren, you were situation, frankly. darren, you rrcbrng— situation, frankly. darren, you were itching to— situation, frankly. darren, you were itching to come- darren, you were itching to come in. i think b— were itching to come in. i think b cbe— were itching to come in. i think even if the banks are and raised interest rates on savings to 10, that people wouldn't have savings pop in their savings savings to pop in their savings accounts right. one penny up by 10. accounts right. one penny up by do. rsn-r— accounts right. one penny up by do. but bad— accounts right. one penny up by 10. isn't thatllot?_ accounts right. one penny up by 10. isn't thatllot? is— accounts right. one penny up by 10. isn't thatllot? is it? - ” 3“. one penny up by 10. isn't that lot? is it? thr 10. isn't that a lot? is it? do you— 10. isn't that a lot? is it? do you brow— 10. isn't that a lot? is it? do you brow-r— 10. isn't that a lot? is it? do you brow-r do- 10. isn't that a lot? is it? do you know-i do agree. 10. isn't that a lot? is it? do you know i do agree with you know where i do agree with darren is that we need darren is that actually we need more to be built, right? more houses to be built, right? ultimately you're not going to bnng bring down mortgage rates and actually the supply if actually increase the supply if we don't actually do that because through the because demand is through the roof marginal landlords roof and many marginal landlords are just saying, i'm off, this is not working for me at all. i'm not making any money from this goodbye. and renters in london especially are saying , london especially are saying, oh, what am i going to do now? and then there are two really

quick points. and then there are two really quick points . lockdown. i don't quick points. lockdown. i don't think we're being honest about the extent which that has the extent to which that has made us poorer. right the vast sums of borrowing 100% of gdp , sums of borrowing 100% of gdp, in large part thanks to lockdown. second point, america isn't in the same boat that we're in because america has energy independence. i'm afraid we're far too often listening to the likes of aaron and saying we need more windmills and solar panels when actually we need what works , and that is gas , oil what works, and that is gas, oil and dare i say , nuclear and coal and dare i say, nuclear and coal windmill. the derogatory term for wrnd— windmill. the derogatory term for wrnd . — windmill. the derogatory term rorwrnd. r— windmill. the derogatory term for wind. i don't— windmill. the derogatory term for wind. i don't think- “r: .. the derogatory term for wind. rtrtr“ . windmill. the derogatory term for wind . i don't think we can for wind. i don't think we can call them anything else. i want to come back to you, but- call them anything else. i want to come back to you, but i- (ex. “r; i want to come back to you, but i don't bave— to come back to you, but i don't bave brne— to come back to you, but i don't have time gutted— to come back to you, but i don't have time gutted .— to come back to you, but i don't have time gutted . we'll speak have time gutted. we'll speak agarn— have time gutted. we'll speak agarn very— have time gutted. we'll speak agarn very soon— have time gutted. we'll speak again very soon. thank you very nucb— again very soon. thank you very nucb rndeed— again very soon. thank you very much indeed for— again very soon. thank you very much indeed for coming into the srudro— much indeed for coming into the srudro rbrs— much indeed for coming into the studio this afternoon. you're warcbrng—rol studio this afternoon. you'rei watching—to gb watching and listening to gb wews— watching and listening to gb news—bone- watching and listening to gb news home with watching and listening to gb. news-home with me, news sunday at home with me, bnrby— news sunday at home with me, bnrby-we-ve- news sunday at home with me, emily-we've-lotsl emily carville. we've got lots conrng— emily carville. we've got lots conrng ub— emily carville. we've got lots more coming up on today's show. rdsbr— more coming up on today's show. rdsbr-says— more coming up on today's show. rdsbr-says be— rishi sunak says he fundamentally with fundamentally disagrees with the coun—rr-s— fundamentally disagrees with the court—it's ruled- court of appeal. it's ruled agarnsr— court of appeal. it's ruled agarnsr rbe— court of appeal. it's ruled against the rwanda asylum plan. of against the rwanda asylum plan. cor—or— against the rwanda asylum plan. cor—or rbe- against the rwanda asylum plan. of_of the primei of course, will one of the prime nrnrsrer-s— of course, will one of the prime nrnrsrer-s-bey— of course, will one of the prime

minister's key pledges to minister's five key pledges to srob— minister's five key pledges to srobiboar— minister's five key pledges to stop boat crossings ever see stop the boat crossings ever see the stop the boat crossings ever see one brgbr— stop the boat crossings ever see one brgbr or— stop the boat crossings ever see the light of day?— stop the boat crossings ever see the light of day? but first, beds— the light of day? but first, ber-s ger— the light of day? but first, ber-s ger rbe— the light of day? but first, let's get the news with aaron arnsrrong— let's get the news with aaron arnsrrong .— let's get the news with aaron arnsrrong . — let's get the news with aaron armstrong . thank- let's get the news with aaron armstrong . “e“c”. let's get the news with aaron armstrong . “as“ .«r armstrong. thank you, emily. just after 2:30 here in the newsroom, the french government will hold emergency talks to address the ongoing civil unrest after a fifth night of rioting with violent clashes in marseille. more than 700 people were arrested yesterday following looting and demonstrations in a number of other cities. and almost 2500 arrests have been made since tuesday. the riots began when police shot and killed teenager nahel merzouk during a traffic stop in a suburb of paris. police will have new powers to deal with environmental activists. those who will come into force today, they'll have a greater ability to move on static protests and demonstrators could be charged with a new criminal offence of tunnelling that is being present in a tunnel to cause disruption and that could result in up to

three years in jail. home secretary suella braverman says the new measures are necessary to she's to deal with what she's described mayhem on the described as mayhem on the streets. a just stop oil and extinction rebellion say it threatens their right to protest .labour threatens their right to protest . labour says it would introduce a new package of reforms to tackle an exodus of teachers from the profession. the plans would include an incentive payment of £2,400 for each teacher as part of a £50 million a year pledge that would be funded by ending tax breaks for private schools . teacher private schools. teacher vacancies have doubled in the past two years, with more than 40,000 leaving last year alone and 1 in 5 who qualified in 2020, having since quit rail passengers are facing further disruption over the next week. aslef members at 16 train companies in england will refuse to work overtime , which to work overtime, which operators rely on to run their full timetable . the union says full timetable. the union says it's calling for fair pay, but the rail delivery group says aslef rejected its last offer of

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be gb news the people's channel. britain's news . be gb news the people's channel. britain's news. channel be gb news the people's channel. britain's news . channel welcome britain's news. channel welcome back— britain's news. channel welcome back do— britain's news. channel welcome back so cb— britain's news. channel welcome back to gb news sunday. with me, emily carver on your tv and radio. so rishi sunak promises to fight back. that's after the court of appeal. the judges within it rejected government plans to send asylum seekers to rwanda to have their claims processed. ruling it could not be treated as a safe third country. opponents of the policy argue the uk risks sending people for refuge to a nation that doesn't protect the rights of its political opponents.

well, the prime minister said while he respects the court of appeal while he respects the court of appeal, fundamentally appeal, he fundamentally disagrees with its conclusion. who's joining me now is who's right? joining me now is international human rights lawyer hague executive lawyer david hague and executive director of migration watch. dr. mike jones. mike i'll start with you. was the court of appeal right or wrong, in your view . i right or wrong, in your view. i respect the decision, but ubdnareby— respect the decision, but ultimately they're wrong . ultimately they're wrong. i agree— ultimately they're wrong. i agree wrrb— ultimately they're wrong. i agree with the— ultimately they're wrong. i agree with the judgement of the high court . agree with the judgement of the high court. essentially, agree with the judgement of the high court . essentially, they've high court. essentially, they've argued that the rwanda plan violates article three of the convention of human rights acas that is, it puts asylum seekers in danger of being deported to a country where they could be, you know, tortured or humiliated in some other way. but, you know , some other way. but, you know, as lord dannatt points out, some other way. but, you know, as lord dannatt points out , this as lord dannatt points out, this is simply false. as lord dannatt points out, this is simply false . the vast is simply false. the vast majority of these people don't have passports . they will be have passports. they will be sent to rwanda with british

documents, and rwanda does not have bilateral agreements with these countries. they cannot debon— these countries. they cannot debon rbe — these countries. they cannot deport the asylum - trtr. they cannot deport the asylum seekers if obey— deport the asylum seekers if rbey rey-ecr— deport the asylum seekers if they reject their— deport the asylum seekers if they reject their applications , they reject their applications, obey— they reject their applications, rbey cannor— they reject their applications, they cannot deport them to counnres— they cannot deport them to countries where _ they cannot deport them to countries where they are bonded— countries where they are tortured or— countries where they are tortured or persecuted . so, you tortured or persecuted. so, you know.— tortured or persecuted. so, you know. for— tortured or persecuted. so, you know. for me— tortured or persecuted. so, you know. for me .— tortured or persecuted. so, you know, for me , it's— tortured or persecuted. so, you know, for me , it's a wrong know, for me, it's a wrong decrsron— know, for me, it's a wrong decision completely. . decision completely. for you, it doesn't— decision completely. for you, it doesn-r n— decision completely. for you, it doesn't it doesn't add up. david doesn't it doesn't add up. david do you think it's right your you're an international human rights lawyer . do you you're an international human rights lawyer. do you think it's rights lawyer. do you think it's right that to judges can make a decision on that potentially, completely blows apart? rishi sunak plan, the government's policy, one of their flagship policies. do you think that's right? good policies. do you think that's right ? good afternoon, emily. right? good afternoon, emily. i r— right? good afternoon, emily. i r rbrnb— right? good afternoon, emily. i mean, i think what— ” rig“.7 good afternoon, emily. i mean, i think what we've got to boob— mean, i think what we've got to boob ar— mean, i think what we've got to boob ar obe— mean, i think what we've got to look at the system,— mean, i think what we've got to look at the system, the law that once— look at the system, the law that once rs— look at the system, the law that once rs ar— look at the system, the law that there is at the— look at the system, the law that there is at the moment that is put— there is at the moment that is our rbrs— there is at the moment that is our no n— there is at the moment that is put this in place— there is at the moment that is put this in place that the judges— put this in place that the judges rob— put this in place that the judges y-ob rs— put this in place that the judges job is to is that they're boobrng— judges job is to is that they're boobrng ar— judges job is to is that they're looking at whether or not this bobby— looking at whether or not this policy breaches— looking at whether or not this policy breaches that law. that baw— policy breaches that law. that bawlrrsob— policy breaches that law. that law-itself-put- policy breaches that law. that law . itself. put in - policy breaches that law. that law itself put in by law in itself was put in by previous politicians . and when

law in itself was put in by pre look politicians . and when law in itself was put in by pre look atiliticians . and when law in itself was put in by pre look at whatins . and when law in itself was put in by pre look at what we're.nd when law in itself was put in by pre look at what we're lookingi we look at what we're looking at, so do i think it's right? it's system we have. it's the system that we have. and yes, i think it's right that they do that. that's that would be same for any law. in any be the same for any law. in any case. that's situation case. and that's the situation that and it's very that we have. and it's very interesting on when you interesting earlier on when you were mentioning rishi sunak saying that he fundamentally disagrees with the findings. but if we all remember back to april when policy put in when this policy was put in place, braverman at the place, suella braverman at the time that she not time said that she could not guarantee was would guarantee that this was would not existing laws. so why not breach existing laws. so why are the government putting in place that at the place policies that at the beginning they must known beginning they must have known were breaching laws and were breaching these laws and would in the courts? but would end up in the courts? but but mike, why does the- but mike, why does the law then need— but mike, why does the law then need ro— but mike, why does the law then need b be— but mike, why does the law then need to be changed if the governnenr— need to be changed if the government can't its government can't fulfil its bronrse— government can't fulfil its bronrse ro— government can't fulfil its promise to the— government can't fulfil its promise to the people to control the promise to the people to control one borderse— promise to the people to control the borders? does— promise to the people to control the borders? does the law need to the borders? does the law need ro cbangee— the borders? does the law need ro cbangee bo— the borders? does the law need to change? do you— the borders? does the law need to change? do you think there's a reab— to change? do you think there's a reab cbace— to change? do you think there's a real chance that— to change? do you think there's a real chance that we could have a real chance that we could have a serious political— a real chance that we could have a serious political debate about beavrng— a serious political debate about beavrng rbe— a serious political debate about leaving the echr? of course, the judge— leaving the echr? of course, the judge rs— leaving the echr? of course, the judge rs rubrng— leaving the echr? of course, the judge rs rubrng ar— leaving the echr? of course, the judge is ruling at the court of abbeab— judge is ruling at the court of abbeab was— judge is ruling at the court of appeal was based on a breach of . bnrcbe— appeal was based on a breach of . article three. _ appeal was based on a breach of

. article three. hopefully, obviously, the european convention on human rights is embedded within the human rights act. we've embedded within the human rights act . we've been members of the act. we've been members of the european— act. we've been members of the european coun— act. we've been members of the european court of— t. we've been members of the european court of human rights before— european court of human rights before one— european court of human rights before the human— european court of human rights before the human rights act. so my before the human rights act. so ny booe— before the human rights act. so ny bobe rs— before the human rights act. so my nose rs rbar— before the human rights act. so my hope is that we can have a serious debate— my hope is that we can have a serious debate on— my hope is that we can have a serious debate on the human rdgbrs— serious debate on the human rdgbrs acr— serious debate on the human brgbrs acr .— serious debate on the human rights act, amend it, abolish or abobsb— rights act, amend it, abolish or abobrsb n.— rights act, amend it, abolish or abolish it, replace— rights act, amend it, abolish or abolish it, replace it with a brrdsb— abolish it, replace it with a british bill— abolish it, replace it with a british bill of— abolish it, replace it with a british bill of rights . uh, my british bill of rights. uh, my personab— british bill of rights. uh, my personal view— british bill of rights. uh, my personal view is— british bill of rights. uh, my personal view is i think that's a gear— personal view is i think that's a gear bobby— personal view is i think that's a great policy policy avenue to go down. — a great policy policy avenue to go down. rd— a great policy policy avenue to go down. i'd also— a great policy policy avenue to go down. i'd also support us wrrbdrawrng— go down. i'd also support us withdrawing from the council of europe.— withdrawing from the council of europe. wbrcb— withdrawing from the council of europe, which would make the supreme— europe, which would make the subrene coun— europe, which would make the supreme court the ultimate aubborby— supreme court the ultimate authority, not— supreme court the ultimate authority, not the european coun— authority, not the european coun or— authority, not the european court of human— authority, not the european court of human rights. so, yes , court of human rights. so, yes, the court of human rights. so, yes, rbe begab— court of human rights. so, yes, the legal architect— court of human rights. so, yes, the legal architect in the uk needs— the legal architect in the uk needs ro— the legal architect in the uk needs b be— the legal architect in the uk needs to be reformed and the conservatives— needs to be reformed and the conservatives have been in power for a— conservatives have been in power for a very— conservatives have been in power for a very bong— conservatives have been in power for a very long time— conservatives have been in power for a very long time and they baven-r— for a very long time and they haven't really— for a very long time and they haven't really taken this matter senousby. — haven't really taken this matter seriously. they've _ haven't really taken this matter seriously. they've put the cart before— seriously. they've put the cart before one— seriously. they've put the cart before the horse. _ seriously. they've put the cart before the horse. they've

introduced _ before the horse. they've introduced this rwanda plan and i'm introduced this rwanda plan and r-n r— introduced this rwanda plan and r-n r rbrnb— introduced this rwanda plan and r-n rrbrnb n— introduced this rwanda plan and i'm i think it could work. you need— i'm i think it could work. you need one— i'm i think it could work. you need the legal— i'm i think it could work. you need the legal architecture rbere— need the legal architecture rbere ro— need the legal architecture there to implement it. i'm sorry to there to implement it. i'm sorry ro rnrorruoc— thereto implement it. i'm sorry ro rnrorruoc .— there to implement it. i'm sorry to interrupt . just just. david, to interrupt. just just. david, lastly , what would happen if the lastly, what would happen if the government didn't listen to the courts, ignored their ruling and just went with the deportation options? what would what would happen ? well, that's that's happen? well, that's that's sonerbrng— happen? well, that's that's sonerbrng r— 7 well, that's that's something i consider actually wben— something i consider actually wben r— something i consider actually when i heard— something i consider actually when i heard the— something i consider actually when i heard the language coming out when i heard the language coming our or— when i heard the language coming our or one— when i heard the language coming out of the number— when i heard the language coming out of the number 10, number 10. and.— out of the number 10, number 10. and. you— out of the number 10, number 10. and. you brow.— out of the number 10, number 10. and, you know, that's— out of the number 10, number 10. and, you know, that's something which i think would be very worrying because we have the rule of law in this country. and when you have a government and this is is at the moment, this is this is at the moment, this is this is at the moment, this is this is at the moment, this is our domestic law, because, as mentioned, this because, as mike mentioned, this is the that it relates to is the law that it relates to from the european of human from the european court of human rights enacted, is in rights has been enacted, is in engush rights has been enacted, is in english law at the moment. so we can't european can't blame this on european judges. in the past, we brits judges. we in the past, we brits passed this. so if we have passed this. so if we then have another government ignoring the laws previous one passed, laws that a previous one passed,

where up? and where does that end up? and i think would be a very, very think that would be a very, very slippery, dangerous slope to go down. but it's one that i down. and but it's one that i think that they probably are considering. and i just think a lot considering. and i just think a or or— considering. and i just think a lot of british— considering. and i just think a lot of british people- t rirt” “rig and i just think a lot of british people and of course, people _ lot of british people and of course, people have very drrrerenr— course, people have very different about this. but different views about this. but i a different views about this. but r-a bor— different views about this. but r-a or a— different views about this. but r-a or a bor— different views about this. but i-a lot a lot of- different views about this. but i a lot a lot of british i think a lot a lot of british beobbe— i think a lot a lot of british people watching this and people are watching this and rbrnbrng.—.i people are watching this and. rbrnbrng.—. rbe thinking, here we go again. the couns— thinking, here we go again. the counsirryrng— thinking, here we go again. the counsirryrng ro— thinking, here we go again. the courts trying to dictate courts are trying to dictate wbar— courts are trying to dictate what government do . courts are trying to dictate- what-government-do . we what our government can do. we wanred— what our government can do. we wanted control— what our government can do. we wanted control of— what our government can do. we wanted control of our borders. and— wanted control of our borders. and rr-s— wanted control of our borders. and us nor— wanted control of our borders. and it's not being— wanted control of our borders. and it's not being done. but webb— and it's not being done. but we-bb rabb— and it's not being done. but we'll talk again.— and it's not being done. but we'll talk again. thank you very nucb— we'll talk again. thank you very nucb rndeed— we'll talk again. thank you very nucb rndeed .— we'll talk again. thank you very much indeed . dr.— we'll talk again. thank you very much indeed . dr. mike jones, much indeed. dr. mike jones, dbecror— much indeed. dr. mike jones, dbecror or— much indeed. dr. mike jones, director of migration watch rbere. — director of migration watch once. and— director of migration watch there. and international human rrgbrs— there. and international human rrgbrs bawyer— there. and international human rights lawyer david hague . thank rights lawyer david hague. thank you very— rights lawyer david hague. thank you very nucb— rights lawyer david hague. thank you very nucb bor— rights lawyer david hague. thank you very much for your time this arrernoon. — you very much for your time this arrernoon. so— you very much for your time this afternoon. so my— you very much for your time this afternoon. so my panel, i want to afternoon. so my panel, i want ro ger— afternoon. so my panel, i want ro ger your— afternoon. so my panel, i want to get your views— afternoon. so my panel, i want to get your views on this. aaron— to get your views on this. aaon do— to get your views on this. aaron, do you— to get your views on this. aaron, do you think this rwanda scbene— aaron, do you think this rwanda scbene rs— aaron, do you think this rwanda scheme is deeply— aaron, do you think this rwanda scheme is deeply immoral or borrendouse— scheme is deeply immoral or horrendous? can't process horrendous? we can't process beobbe— horrendous? we can't process beobbelbwanda. — horrendous? we can't process people rwanda. it's an awful people in rwanda. it's an awful counn— people in rwanda. it's an awful counrry. eeobbe— people in rwanda. it's an awful country. people saying country. people are saying rarber— country. people are saying rather—aboutl rather nasty things about rwanda.— rather nasty things about rwanda.-from - rather nasty things about rwanda. from people rather nasty things about- rwanda.-from people who rwanda. i heard from people who acruabby— rwanda. i heard from people who acruabby brve— rwanda. i heard from people who actually live there. _ rwanda. i heard from people who actually live there. it's acruabby— actually live there. it's actually quite a nice place. woubd— actually quite a nice place. woubd you— actually quite a nice place. would you move— actually quite a nice place. would you move there- actually quite a nice place. would you move there ? no. so but would you move there? no. so but i'm not an asylum seeker. fleeing, persecute nation. wobb— fleeing, persecute nation. wobb. r— fleeing, persecute nation. wobb. r don-r— fleeing, persecute nation. well, i don't know.- fleeing, persecute nation. well, i don't know. i've never

been. so i think you're right to say you shouldn't really judge somebody you've not them. somebody if you've not met them. i'm going judge rwanda. i'm not going to judge rwanda. having not been there, i don't know. it's quite nice know. i presume it's quite nice to safari or something. i to go on safari or something. i mean, we've got football clubs advenrsrng— mean, we've got football clubs advenrsrng n.— mean, we've got football clubs advertising it, don't you, on rbeb— advertising it, don't you, on their shirts. _ advertising it, don't you, on their shirts. govtgr'“ advertising it, don't you, on their shirts. t“ their shirts. but yeah, but in terms in terms of this terms of in terms of this policy, back it for a policy, i don't back it for a number of reasons. firstly, because of and i think because of cost and i think secondly, tories don't secondly, even the tories don't think happen. think this is going to happen. and think they knew it wasn't and i think they knew it wasn't going to happen along. going to happen all along. i think knew the courts were think they knew the courts were going you think? i think going to. do you think? i think so. but going to. do you think? i think bur obey— going to. do you think? i think so. but they really— going to. do you think? i think so. but they really want- rigrtr “rig do you think? but they really want it to so. but they really want it to babben. — so. but they really want it to babben. r— so. but they really want it to happen. i think— but they really want it to happen. �*fvr'rt.. �*7 . happen. i think well, if it happens, great. but i think this point that was being made by your guest a moment ago about the know, the the human the you know, the hrc, the human rights think that is rights act, i think that is there are very few hail mary's right now the tories have right now that the tories have if want to win the next if they want to win the next general election. i think one is the idea judges obstructing the idea of judges obstructing democratically mandated policy and another one is migration. and policy brings and i think this policy brings those this those two together, this issue rather rwanda rather of the rwanda resettlement program. it's a very real concern, ig it's a very real concern, though, isn't it? very real concern, though, isn't roe-couns— very real concern, though, isn't it?-courts people- very real concern, though, isn't it? courts people do view

it? the courts people do view bawyers— it? the courts people do view lawyers-activists- lawyers as being activists becaue— lawyers as being activists because-a lot. lawyers as being activists because a lot of lawyers as being activists- because-a lot of people because i mean, a lot of people are because i mean, a lot of people saybng— because i mean, a lot of people sayrng. boob.— because i mean, a lot of people are saying, look, i— because i mean, a lot of people are saying, look, i voted leave to are saying, look, i voted leave ro—rbe— are saying, look, i voted leave ro—rbe db- are saying, look, i voted leave to_the uk was- are saying, look, i voted leave to_the uk was thej to ensure that the uk was the ubdnare— to ensure that the uk was the ultimate-about- ultimate authority about decrsrons— ultimate authority about decisions this. ultimate authority about decisions-this. that's decisions like this. now, that's doarby— decisions like this. now, that's clearly the case when you've clearly not the case when you've got used to got the echr being used to actually in the appeal court to say we can't have the rwanda plan fundamentally , and i'm plan fundamentally, and i'm going to say something that's probably going to, you know, make people bring up myself, but i just don't care if you come here and you throw your passport overseas , you are not our overseas, you are not our problem. the british taxpayer should not have to put people up in better accommodation than they're putting up the armed forces. you know , as i say forces. you know, as i say earlier, abroad , castor reported earlier, abroad, castor reported that actually military families have been given one week's nofice have been given one week's notice because we need to build accommodation for these people that are coming here illegally. i think that's a disgrace . so i think that's a disgrace. so i don't care if it's rwanda . i don't care if it's rwanda. i don't care if it's rwanda. i don't care if it's rwanda. i don't care if it's mars, britain cannot be the end destination for everybody that wants to come here as an economic migrant . and

here as an economic migrant. and that's what's being done . well, that's what's being done. well, i disagree with anything- “rig i well, i disagree with anything of bar. — i disagree with anything of bar. wars— i disagree with anything of that. mars might- i disagree with anything of that. rig“. that. mars might be somewhat more expensive than rwanda, even though its costs are spiralling . the here is the . look, the issue here is the hrc , and that's very powerful hrc, and that's very powerful rhetoric, darren's offering, but the question is, do we leave it or do we keep with it? do we have to leave human rights act? one second. well, here's the thing. you have on saturdays, you know, you have calvin talk about was fired about this teacher was fired because because because of this, because of their religious their their religious views, their personal do you personal views, etcetera. do you know they know what legislation they always they and always use when they try and fire off their letters and their court cases to the schools and their education authorities? well, the gender well, a lot of the gender cndcab— well, a lot of the gender critical. it's— well, a lot of the gender critical. it's the - well, a lot of the gender critical. it's the equality act. rr-s— critical. it's the equality act. rr-s-rr-s— critical. it's the equality act. rr-s-rr-s wobb. - critical. it's the equality act. it's-it's well, no,- it's a lot of it's well, no, actually, it's conservatives are appealing to the human rights act and the equalities act because defends them, too . because it defends them, too. so what you're saying is we like the so what you're saying is we like one bcnb— so what you're saying is we like one bcnb-n— so what you're saying is we like the echr-it suits- so what you're saying is we like the echr it suits us. yes, the echr when it suits us. yes, bur— the echr when it suits us. yes, bur wben— the echr when it suits us. yes, bur wben n— the echr when it suits us. yes, but when it comes— the echr when it suits us. yes, but when it comes to the rwanda plano— but when it comes to the rwanda bban. n— but when it comes to the rwanda bran. rr doesn-r— but when it comes to the rwanda plan, it doesn't suit— plan, it doesn't suit conservatives use the echr and rnba— conservatives use the echr and rnba srob— conservatives use the echr and rnba srob rbrs— conservatives use the echr and ihra stop this idea that it only news— ihra stop this idea that it only bebbs beobbe— ihra stop this idea that it only bebbs beobbe on— ihra stop this idea that it only helps people on the left. that ody— helps people on the left. that onby barbs.—

helps people on the left. that onby bobos. and— helps people on the left. that only helps. and it's— helps people on the left. that only helps. and it's been used to deport terrorists, for example. that's true. presume absurd.— example. that's true. presume absurd. presumably— rtysa that's true. presume absurd. presumably we have it in us as a nadon— absurd. presumably we have it in us as a nation to— absurd. presumably we have it in us as a nation to be— absurd. presumably we have it in us as a nation to be able to nabe— us as a nation to be able to make judgements on our own human ngbrs— make judgements on our own human rrgbrs bobrcy. — make judgements on our own human rrgbrs bobrcy. buc— make judgements on our own human rights policy. but this— make judgements on our own human rights policy. but this was a british court. this was first of all, the human rights act is british legislation. they used a breach of article— british legislation. they used a breach of article three- british legislation. they used a breach of article three of- . .rtrig “ they used a breach of article three of the bcnb— breach of article three of the bcnb n— breach of article three of the echr in order— breach of article three of the echr in order to— breach of article three of the echr in order to say that rwanda is echr in order to say that rwanda rs unsaer— echr in order to say that rwanda rs unsaer so— echr in order to say that rwanda is unsafe. so it— echr in order to say that rwanda is unsafe. so it does come back to is unsafe. so it does come back ro-rbads— is unsafe. so it does come back ro-rbads wby— is unsafe. so it does come back to-that's why i'm- is unsafe. so it does come back to that's why i'm asking to the. that's why i'm asking abour— to the. that's why i'm asking abour rbe— to the. that's why i'm asking about the court. _ to the. that's why i'm asking about the court. a“ri about the court. but this and this gentleman's saying that the highest appeal highest court of appeal shouldn't court. shouldn't be the european court. that's this a that's fine. this this was a british court. so i think that that that point is kind of moot. these were british judges . now, these were british judges. now, you they're interpreting you can say they're interpreting quasi but quasi european law. fine but look, think once people look, i think once people actually read about what the european convention on human rights is, the human rights act european convention on human ri iits is, the human rights act european convention on human ri i think the human rights act european convention on human ri i think mostiuman rights act european convention on human ri i think most people tights act european convention on human ri i think most people say:s act european convention on human ri i think most people say it's:t is i think most people say it's pretty quite sensible. i'm really worried. we actually get pretty quite sensible. i'm rea of worried. we actually get pretty quite sensible. i'm rea of a orried. we actually get pretty quite sensible. i'm rea of a orried. iisensible ly get pretty quite sensible. i'm rea of a orried. iisensible piece rid of a broadly sensible piece of legislation because of some of legislation because of some of the issues you're talking about. what what frustrates me abour— about. what what frustrates me abour rbrs— . what what frustrates me about this conversation is that decide— about this conversation is that beobbe—ro- about this conversation is that beobbe—ro sayi about this conversation is thatj beobbe—ro say one people are so quick to say the bwanda— people are so quick to say the bwanda bran— people are so quick to say the rwanda plan is— people are so quick to say the rwanda plan is a— people are so quick to say the rwanda plan is a nonsense . it's

rwanda plan is a nonsense. it's racbsb— rwanda plan is a nonsense. it's racrsr. dds— rwanda plan is a nonsense. it's racist, it's bigoted— rwanda plan is a nonsense. it's racist, it's bigoted , and, you racist, it's bigoted, and, you bnow— racist, it's bigoted, and, you bnow. bbab— racist, it's bigoted, and, you know, blah, blah, blah , blah, know, blah, blah, blah, blah, bbab— know, blah, blah, blah, blah, bbab. x.— know, blah, blah, blah, blah, bbab. x. b.— know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, x, y, and— know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, x, y, and z.— know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, x, y, and z. reason why we rbrnb— blah, x, y, and z. reason why we rbrnb rbrs— blah, x, y, and z. reason why we think this policy— blah, x, y, and z. reason why we think this policy shouldn't go abead— think this policy shouldn't go abead. and— think this policy shouldn't go ahead. and they— think this policy shouldn't go ahead. and they never offer a sobudon— ahead. and they never offer a sobudon ro— ahead. and they never offer a solution to stop— ahead. and they never offer a solution to stop the boats. they y-usr— solution to stop the boats. they us say.— solution to stop the boats. they us say. on— solution to stop the boats. they us say. ob .— solution to stop the boats. they just say, oh , well,— solution to stop the boats. they just say, oh , well, we'll just just say, oh, well, we'll just bave— just say, oh, well, we'll just bave a— just say, oh, well, we'll just bave a bn— just say, oh, well, we'll just have a bit more— just say, oh, well, we'll just have a bit more cooperation with our have a bit more cooperation with burobean— have a bit more cooperation with our european partners. not worbrng— our european partners. not worbrng rs— our european partners. not working is it? _ our european partners. not working is it? i- our european partners. not working is it? i offer a solution for one country. okay. very quickly, iran,— solution for one country. okay. very quickly, iran, we- “ trtr. okay. very quickly, iran, we have a bobby— very quickly, iran, we have a bobrcy bn— very quickly, iran, we have a bobrcy rn rbrs— very quickly, iran, we have a policy in this country of hyperinflation in in iran. �*fvr'rt hyperinflation in in iran. we bave— hyperinflation in in iran. we have sanctions— hyperinflation in in iran. we have sanctions in— hyperinflation in in iran. we have sanctions in that- hyperinflation in in iran. we have sanctions in that country to economically destroy it. then when people leave that country to we say, where are to come here, we say, where are they from? are they they coming from? why are they coming? it's british coming? well, it's british policy strangle iran's policy to strangle iran's economy stop sanctions, economy, stop the sanctions, stop occupation , stop wars stop the occupation, stop wars abroad, and then maybe we have a better argument. it's not our fault better argument. it's not our raubr bbab— better argument. it's not our fault that people _ better argument. it's not our fault that people have- arig it's not our fault that people have found bbab— fault that people have found rbar obey— fault that people have found that they can't— fault that people have found that they can't that do not that they can't that they do not wrsb— that they can't that they do not wrsblbrve — that they can't that they do not wrsblbrve bn— that they can't that they do not wish-live in the _ that they can't that they do not wish live in the countries we wish to live in the countries we we're sanctioning— wish to live in the countries we we're sanctioning country we're sanctioning that country to we're sanctioning that country ro—econony. - we're sanctioning that country ro—econony. wei we're sanctioning that country. to_economy. we can't to destroy its economy. we can't be—reason- to destroy its economy. we can't be—eason wbyi be to blame for the reason why banan— be to blame for the reason why britain-sanctions- be to blame for the reason why britain sanctions and britain dropped sanctions and i rbrnb— britain dropped sanctions and i rbrnb-bave— britain dropped sanctions and i think-havelmuch- britain dropped sanctions and i think have much stronger think they have a much stronger bosrdon— think they have a much stronger bosrdon ro— think they have a much stronger bosrrron ro say.— think they have a much stronger position to say, sorry, we're nor— position to say, sorry, we're nor accebrrng— position to say, sorry, we're not accepting iranian migrants wben—causel when your policy is to cause hyperinflation— when your policy is to cause hyperinflation country . hyperinflation in a country. sadby.— hyperinflation in a country. sadby-doos— hyperinflation in a country. sadly,-does create- sadly, that does create responsibility that, because responsibility by that, because

if look one of the if you look at one of the biggest cohorts recently, it's been yeah , absolutely. been india. yeah, absolutely. and— been india. yeah, absolutely. andlnean— been india. yeah, absolutely. andlnean .— been india. yeah, absolutely. andimean , india- been india. yeah, absolutely. andimean , india is- “ri yeah, absolutely. and mean , india is not and i mean, india is not a counrry— and i mean, india is not a country that's— and i mean, india is not a country that's war torn. and i rusr— country that's war torn. and i iusr bas— country that's war torn. and i rusr bas boveny. — country that's war torn. and i just has poverty. o7 country that's war torn. and i just has poverty. c3" trtr. . just has poverty. of course it does— just has poverty. of course it does .— just has poverty. of course it does . and people may be better does. and people may be better off here, but a lot of rural town in india, millions of people. emily, who would love to ro— people. emily, who would love to come to britain,— people. emily, who would love to come to britain, i've— emily, who would love to come to britain, i've no doubt abour— come to britain, i've no doubt abour n.— come to britain, i've no doubt abour n. r— come to britain, i've no doubt about it. i don't— come to britain, i've no doubt about it. i don't doubt that once— about it. i don't doubt that once rs— about it. i don't doubt that there is there— about it. i don't doubt that there is there absolutely is. roa— there is there absolutely is. for economic— there is there absolutely is. for economic benefit. but economic betterment . and i don't economic betterment. and i don't doubr— economic betterment. and i don't doubr bbab— economic betterment. and i don't doubr rbar .— economic betterment. and i don't doubt that . but— economic betterment. and i don't doubt that . but i— economic betterment. and i don't doubt that . but i do think that doubt that. but i do think that gor— doubt that. but i do think that gor ro— doubt that. but i do think that gor ro say— doubt that. but i do think that we've got to say there are so many— we've got to say there are so many cases— we've got to say there are so many bn— we've got to say there are so many crises in this country beabrb— many crises in this country health care,— many crises in this country health care, housing, energy, all health care, housing, energy, abb rbe— health care, housing, energy, abb rbe resc— health care, housing, energy, all the rest of— health care, housing, energy, all the rest of it— health care, housing, energy, all the rest of it .— health care, housing, energy, all the rest of it . how the hell all the rest of it. how the hell are we expected— all the rest of it. how the hell are we expected to actually supply— are we expected to actually subbby abb— are we expected to actually supply all these people with obese— supply all these people with these essential— supply all these people with these essential services? rbere-s— these essential services? rbere-s abso— these essential services? there's also the question, of course, i think— there's also the question, of course, i think only a handful of beobbe— course, i think only a handful of beobbe ger— course, i think only a handful of people get seem to get deboned— of people get seem to get deported every— of people get seem to get deported every year. . deported every year. so it seems like deported every year. so it seems be once— deported every year. so it seems like once you arrive on on uk like once you do arrive on on uk shores, not hope of shores, there's not much hope of deporting you if you aren't a legitimate asylum seeker. it all sounds very harsh, harsh , harsh sounds very harsh, harsh, harsh words, sorry, a country words, but i'm sorry, a country without borders isn't a country in view. so we will move on.

in my view. so we will move on. let know what you think about let me know what you think about that conversation. thought it that conversation. i thought it was one. finally now, was a good one. finally now, this is an interesting story. i think has been growing think there has been growing interest in four day working interest in a four day working week. know this in uk and week. we know this in the uk and around the world. some businesses are praising, praising the shift to an praising the shift due to an increase in productivity , they increase in productivity, they say. a liberal democrat run say. but a liberal democrat run council behind britain's first four day week has been ordered to call off their trial because the scheme could be in breach of the scheme could be in breach of the local government act . woops, the local government act. woops, it's been revealed south cambridgeshire council gave staff an extra day off every week while paying them full salaries in a three month test run and plan to extend the trial. but now it's been given the chop and apparently all local councils have now been advised that they can't move to advised that they can't move to a four day week. aaron is this a bit authoritarian? should councils be allowed to work four day weeks on the same money? i think that local government- think that local government sboubd— think that local government sboubd be— think that local government should be able— think that local government should be able to experiment and try should be able to experiment and by new— should be able to experiment and by rbrngs— should be able to experiment and try new things because that's bow— try new things because that's how ultimately— try new things because that's how ultimately progress how ultimately you progress and you-somerbrng— how ultimately you progress and you something works or you find if something works or doesn-r— you find if something works or doesn-r-r— you find if something works or doesn't-i think-

you find if something works or doesn't i think this doesn't work. and i think this is doesn't work. and i think this rs-darr.— doesn't work. and i think this is-daft, frankly. - doesn't work. and i think this is daft, frankly. you is really daft, frankly. you bnow— is really daft, frankly. you know, experimentation the know, experimentation is the engrne—so- know, experimentation is the engine _so the l know, experimentation is the l engine _so the fact engine of progress. so the fact bbab— engine of progress. so the fact that-government- that central government thinks it's that central government thinks n-sanswer—s- that central government thinks it's—answers and. it's got all the answers and dsasbev— it's got all the answers and dsasbev-n— it's got all the answers and disaster,-it could- it's got all the answers and disaster, it could be disaster, well, it could be wecbseby— disaster, well, it could be precisely-learn- disaster, well, it could be precisely. learn through precisely. you learn through nrsrabes.— precisely. you learn through mistakes-a- precisely. you learn through mistakes. a good idea, mistakes. to have a good idea, you— mistakes. to have a good idea, you bave— mistakes. to have a good idea, you bave ro— mistakes. to have a good idea, you have to have— mistakes. to have a good idea, you have to have a— mistakes. to have a good idea, you have to have a bad idea bass— you have to have a bad idea bass-bnow— you have to have a bad idea first.-know, the- you have to have a bad idea first. know, the idea that first. you know, the idea that cenrrab— first. you know, the idea that central government all the central government has all the .r— central government has all the answers.-i don't- central government has all the answers. i don't think answers. well i don't think rbar-s— answers. well i don't think cbaos-case.- answers. well i don't thinki that's-case..you that's quite the case. if you boob— that's quite the case. if you boob-obe— that's quite the case. if you look-the country- that's quite the case. if you look the country is being look at how the country is being —brr— look at how the country is being —brr nore- run. so yeah, a bit more experimentation. i don't think webb— experimentation. i don't think we-bb—r- experimentation. i don't think we-bb—r wasi experimentation. i don't think we-bb—r obi we'll go amiss. so i was on question time in liverpool about a year ago, which my a year ago, which wasn't my audience was it was a audience anyway. it was it was a bit of a tricky evening anyway, but i there, there were but when i was there, there were local people who worked in the local people who worked in the local who were the local council who were in the audience and were audience and they were absolutely adamant that the government telling government shouldn't be telling them in office. them to get back in the office. i can do work from home. it's i can do my work from home. it's much better life. i'm an much better for my life. i'm an adult, blah, blah, blah. do you think maybe we which way think that maybe we which way do you you go for this is you go? do you go for this is a good experiment point or do you good experiment point or do you go the lazy people working go for the lazy people working in local councils need do in local councils need to do better. mean, anyone are being better. i mean, anyone are being told, going to give better. i mean, anyone are being tolda going to give better. i mean, anyone are being tolda day going to give better. i mean, anyone are being tolda day off. i going to give better. i mean, anyone are being tolda day off. i mean, to give better. i mean, anyone are being tolda day off. i mean, howve better. i mean, anyone are being tolda day off. i mean, how are you a day off. i mean, how are we gong— you a day off. i mean, how are we gorng ro— you a day off. i mean, how are we gorng ro burn— you a day off. i mean, how are

we going to turn round- ria i mean, how are we going to turn round to docbors— we going to turn round to doctors, for— we going to turn round to doctors, for example, and say to rben. — doctors, for example, and say to men—ro— doctors, for example, and say to rben.—ro see- doctors, for example, and say to them,_to see 25%. doctors, for example, and say to. them,_to see 25% more them, i want you to see 25% more barrenrs— them, i want you to see 25% more barrenrs wrrbrn— them, i want you to see 25% more patients withinlfour_ them, i want you to see 25% more patients within four day patients within a four day worbrng— patients within a four day working-how- patients within a four day working how on earth are working week. how on earth are obey— working week. how on earth are rbey gong— working week. how on earth are rbey gorng ro— working week. how on earth are rbey gorng ro do— working week. how on earth are they going to do that, esbecrabby— they going to do that, especially current they going to do that,- especially-current time? especially at this current time? it's especially at this current time? rr-s—rbrsi especially at this current time? rr-s—rbrs rs| it's impossible, al. so this is rbrs— it's impossible, al. so this is this-nonsense— it's impossible, al. so this is this nonsense stuff. it's this is nonsense stuff. it's rybrcab— this is nonsense stuff. it's typical socialist ideas typical socialist nutty ideas and— typical socialist nutty ideas and ultimately,— typical socialist nutty ideas and ultimately, if you're a councrb— and ultimately, if you're a council tax— and ultimately, if you're a council tax payer and your councrb— council tax payer and your councrb rab— council tax payer and your council tax is— council tax payer and your council tax is going up, which it council tax is going up, which n rs.— council tax is going up, which u do one— council tax is going up, which it is, the taxpayers alliance, sav— it is, the taxpayers alliance, say bn— it is, the taxpayers alliance, say in england,— it is, the taxpayers alliance, say in england, the more than rubbe— say in england, the more than more ro— say in england, the more than triple to £2,000— say in england, the more than triple to £2,000 since being rnrroduced— triple to £2,000 since being introduced 30— triple to £2,000 since being introduced 30 years ago. so beobbe— introduced 30 years ago. so beobbe ae— introduced 30 years ago. so people are saying, hang on a nbnube— people are saying, hang on a minute, what— people are saying, hang on a minute, what am— people are saying, hang on a minute, what am i paying you for bad— minute, what am i paying you for bacb bn— minute, what am i paying you for bacb be one— minute, what am i paying you for back in the office?— minute, what am i paying you for back in the office? it's you're basy— back in the office? it's you're basy bour— back in the office? it's you're basy bour you— back in the office? it's you're lazy lout you lazy lout . lazy lout you lazy lout. i'm sure you've never- lazy lout you lazy lout. i'm sure you've never been called that before. well prepared with your with your stats from the taxpayers alliance can stop. yes i do. i i don't know. but i think the issue was that people weren't actually getting their services and that's the key point here. it's all very well for a private company to experiment with four day working weeks. it's the weeks. but when it's the taxpayer impacted and not taxpayer being impacted and not being able to, i don't know, get in touch about their bin collection, that hasn't

happened, then it's a little bit more serious. let's see what more serious. but let's see what you have to say at home. you've been getting in touch on the with your thoughts on the court of judge's ruling that of appeal judge's ruling that the to asylum seekers the plan to send asylum seekers to rwanda is unlawful. kez has written in. she says the only thing the legal system cares aboutis thing the legal system cares about is the massive amount of money milking money they are milking by representing yes, it representing migrants. yes, it is quite a big industry. there's a to money be but a lot of to money be made, but also there's the question over legal aid as well. jack says they decided rwanda was not a safe country now, so no claimants could be sent there. but if no claimants are ever sent there, how can that ever be tested? yes, i'm not sure . tested? yes, i'm not sure. there's one perfect country that gets absolutely you know , the gets absolutely you know, the entirety of the asylum process. absolutely perfect. why shouldn't it be rwanda ? marilyn shouldn't it be rwanda? marilyn has to say the only people who would be sent to rwanda are those who enter the uk without permission. advice to all permission. so my advice to all that to asylum is to that want to claim asylum is to do legally and no one do so legally and wait. no one goes rwanda if they abide goes to rwanda if they abide by our counter to that our laws, the counter to that would there aren't enough

would be there aren't enough safe legal anyway, safe and legal routes. anyway, thank for sending in those thank you for sending in those views. subscribe to our youtube channel. twitter. channel. follow us on twitter. we're at news. that's it from we're at gb news. that's it from me today. but we have akua me today. but we have nana akua here in the studio for a handoven here in the studio for a handover. tell us what you've got on. well you look lovely, by the way. thank you very much. so do you. i was quite envious of bar— do you. i was quite envious of bar cobou— do you. i was quite envious of that colour that— rirtr i was quite envious of that colour that you're wearing. brrgbr— that colour that you're wearing. brrgbr-r-bb— that colour that you're wearing. brrgbr-r-bb be— that colour that you're wearing. bright-i'll be wearing- that colour that you're wearing. rig“. i'll be wearing that bright red. i'll be wearing that near— bright red. i'll be wearing that near-bur— bright red. i'll be wearing that near-bur on— bright red. i'll be wearing that next-but on my- bright red. i'll be wearing that next but on my show, i've next week. but on my show, i've got to say, i've got a very, very, very exciting sitting tennis star. now, she won wrnbbedon— tennis star. now, she won wimbledon in— tennis star. now, she won wimbledon in 1977.- tennis star. now, she won- wimbledon in 1977.-because wimbledon in 1977. wow. because wrnbbedon— wimbledon starts tomorrow. so rbar-s— wimbledon starts tomorrow. so rbar-s-sbe-s— wimbledon starts tomorrow. so that's-she's going- wimbledon starts tomorrow. so that's she's going be on. that's why she's going to be on. sbe— that's why she's going to be on. sbe rs— that's why she's going to be on. she is british.— that's why she's going to be on. she is british. she— that's why she's going to be on. she is british. she is incredible.- she is british. she is incredible. she was ranked as brgb— incredible. she was ranked as brgb as— incredible. she was ranked as high as number— incredible. she was ranked as high as number two in the world in high as number two in the world be one— high as number two in the world be one sbngbes— high as number two in the world in the singles. and— high as number two in the world in the singles. and number one in the singles. and number one be one— in the singles. and number one be one wond— in the singles. and number one in the world doubles. so she'll be brve— in the world doubles. so she'll be brve on— in the world doubles. so she'll be brve on my— in the world doubles. so she'll be live on my show at 5:00. buev— be live on my show at 5:00. buev gor— be live on my show at 5:00. buev gor ro— be live on my show at 5:00. you've got to guess who she is. i you've got to guess who she is. r don-r— you've got to guess who she is. r don-r ube— you've got to guess who she is. i don't like to— you've got to guess who she is. i don't like to -too- you've got to guess who she is. i don't like to too much i don't like to give too much away. — i don't like to give too much away. fantastic. _ i don't like to give too much away. fantastic. “rib away. fantastic. that sounds amazing. definitely be amazing. i'll definitely be tuning home, of tuning in. you at home, of course. i've been watching and listening news sunday listening to gb news sunday with me, carver. you very me, emily carver. thank you very much aaron bastani and darren much to aaron bastani and darren grice such a fantastic grice for being such a fantastic panel grice for being such a fantastic panel. go anywhere, panel. don't go anywhere, though. up next. but

though. nana is up next. but first, that, take first, before that, let's take a look the weather with greg. look at the weather with greg. hello there. i'm greg dewhurst and— hello there. i'm greg dewhurst and webcone— hello there. i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to— hello there. i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb wews— and welcome to your latest gb news weather— and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. we're boobrng— news weather forecast. we're looking - showers. . news weather forecast. we're looking showers. the looking at rain or showers. the new— looking at rain or showers. the next-there'll- looking at rain or showers. the next-there'll be - looking at rain or showers. the next there'll be some next few days there'll be some bngbr— next few days there'll be some bngbrlsunny— next few days there'll be some bright sunny rather bright or sunny spells, rather cbbbby— bright or sunny spells, rather cbrbby. bur— bright or sunny spells, rather chilly, but.does_ bright or sunny spells, rather chilly, but does start to chilly, but it does start to ub— chilly, but it does start to warm up later— chilly, but it does start to warm up later week chilly, but it does start to- warm up later-week and we warm up later in the week and we can warm up later in the week and we wrrb— warm up later in the week and we can see with the— warm up later in the week and we can see with the bigger picture, low can see with the bigger picture, bow pressure— can see with the bigger picture, low pressure sat— can see with the bigger picture, low pressure sat to _ can see with the bigger picture, low pressure sat to the north—east— low pressure sat to the north—east the uk . we've low pressure sat to the- north—eastlthe uk . we've got north—east of the uk. we've got a-nonb— north—east of the uk. we've got a-north westerly— north—east of the uk. we've got a north westerly breeze, a cool north westerly breeze, gube— a cool north westerly breeze, gurre gusry— a cool north westerly breeze, quite gusty around the coasts and— quite gusty around the coasts and outbreaks— quite gusty around the coasts and outbreaks showery rain and outbreaks of showery rain busbrng— and outbreaks of showery rain busbrng acss— and outbreaks of showery rain pushing across the country too. so pushing across the country too. so ro— pushing across the country too. so ro end— pushing across the country too. so ro end rbe— pushing across the country too. so to end the day,— pushing across the country too. so to end the day, we do have sbowes— so to end the day, we do have showers across— so to end the day, we do have showers across the _ so to end the day, we do have showers across the northern half of showers across the northern half or one— showers across the northern half or one ub— showers across the northern half or one ub .— showers across the northern half of the uk . some— showers across the northern half of the uk . some of— showers across the northern half of the uk . some of these still of the uk. some of these still beavy— of the uk. some of these still beavy. sorbe— of the uk. some of these still heavy, some more— of the uk. some of these still heavy, some more persistent rain novrng—rnro- heavy, some more persistent rain novrng—rnro ro- heavy, some more persistent rain moving—into to thei moving from orkney into to the narnband— moving from orkney into to the mainland northern parts of scorband— mainland northern parts of scotland here,— mainland northern parts of scotland here, clearer spells overnrgbr— scotland here, clearer spells overnight developing further soubb— overnight developing further sourb. bur— overnight developing further south, but still— overnight developing further south, but still some scattered sbowes— south, but still some scattered showers moving— south, but still some scattered showers moving in and temperatures- showers moving in and temperatures for most of us ronrgbr— temperatures for most of us tonight holding— temperatures for most of us tonight holding up in double figures.— tonight holding up in double ngures bo— tonight holding up in double figures. so brighter start monday— figures. so brighter start monday morning compared to sunday. — monday morning compared to sunday. bes.— monday morning compared to sunday. yes, we'll already have sbowes— sunday. yes, we'll already have showers across— sunday. yes, we'll already have showers across north and the showers across the north and the wesr— showers across the north and the wesr rbrs— showers across the north and the wesr rbrs sbebb— showers across the north and the west this spell of— showers across the north and the west this spell of heavier, more bersrsrenr— west this spell of heavier, more persistent rain— west this spell of heavier, more persistent rain will— west this spell of heavier, more persistent rain will slowly push its persistent rain will slowly push us way— persistent rain will slowly push its way eastward— persistent rain will slowly push its way eastward .— persistent rain will slowly push its way eastward . some its way eastward. some uncertainty— its way eastward. some uncertainty with the exact bosrrronrng— uncertainty with the exact

positioning but we positioning of this, but we coubd— positioning of this, but we coubd see— positioning of this, but we could see heavy downpours could see some heavy downpours and some— could see some heavy downpours and some rumbles— could see some heavy downpours and some rumbles of thunder wrrbrn— and some rumbles of thunder wrrbrn rbar. — and some rumbles of thunder within that. to— and some rumbles of thunder within that. to the south, generabby— within that. to the south, generally quite cloudy, some sunny— generally quite cloudy, some sunny soebbs— generally quite cloudy, some sunny spells, but also scattered showers. showers— sunny spells, but also scattered showers. showers further north, roo. — showers. showers further north, be and — showers. showers further north, be and rben— showers. showers further north, too. and then this— showers. showers further north, too. and then this rain still condnurng— too. and then this rain still continuing-sink- too. and then this rain still continuing sink south across continuing to sink south across scorband— continuing to sink south across scorband and— continuing to sink south across scotland and for— continuing to sink south across scotland and for many quite a cbrbby— scotland and for many quite a chilly afternoon.— scotland and for many quite a chilly afternoon. temperatures generabby— chilly afternoon. temperatures generabby bn— chilly afternoon. temperatures generally in the— chilly afternoon. temperatures generally in the high teens to very— generally in the high teens to very bow— generally in the high teens to very bow zes— generally in the high teens to very low 20s further showers to end— very low 20s further showers to end monday— very low 20s further showers to end monday this— very low 20s further showers to end monday this rain starting to rragnenr— end monday this rain starting to rragnenr a— end monday this rain starting to fragment a little— end monday this rain starting to fragment a little bit , end monday this rain starting to fragment a little bit, but end monday this rain starting to fragment a little bit , but still fragment a little bit, but still busbrng— fragment a little bit, but still pushing southwards across scorband— pushing southwards across scotland with— pushing southwards across scotland with further showers bebrnd— scotland with further showers bebrnd n. — scotland with further showers behind it. and _ scotland with further showers behind it. and then overnight bro— behind it. and then overnight rnro ruesday— behind it. and then overnight into tuesday morning, perhaps some more persistent rain moving into some more persistent rain moving rnro sourbern— some more persistent rain moving into southern parts— some more persistent rain moving into southern parts of england. nucb— into southern parts of england. nucb needed— into southern parts of england. much needed rain— into southern parts of england. much needed rain across this part— much needed rain across this pad or— much needed rain across this ban or one— much needed rain across this part of the world. temperatures generabby— part of the world. temperatures generabby agarn— part of the world. temperatures generally again holding up in doubbe— generally again holding up in double figures. _ generally again holding up in double figures. so a cloudy, wet sran— double figures. so a cloudy, wet sran acss— double figures. so a cloudy, wet start across southern counties of start across southern counties or bngband— start across southern counties of england and— start across southern counties of england and wales, likely on ruesday— of england and wales, likely on tuesday morning.— of england and wales, likely on tuesday morning. some heavy bursrs— tuesday morning. some heavy bursts possible— tuesday morning. some heavy bursts possible as this system sbowby— bursts possible as this system sbowby busbes— bursts possible as this system slowly pushes its— bursts possible as this system slowly pushes its way south easrwards— slowly pushes its way south easrwards .— slowly pushes its way south eastwards , followed by sunshine eastwards, followed by sunshine and sbowes— eastwards, followed by sunshine and showers for— eastwards, followed by sunshine and showers for the rest of the day. — and showers for the rest of the day. runner— and showers for the rest of the day. further showers and rain on wednesday.— day. further showers and rain on wednesday. bur— day. further showers and rain on wednesday, but perhaps drier and by— wednesday, but perhaps drier and

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