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riots . more than 700 people were riots. more than 700 people were arrested across the country overnight with tear gas used to disperse crowds in marseille . disperse crowds in marseille. the violence follows the death of the teenager nana merzouk, who was shot by police on tuesday in the capital. there was a huge police presence protecting the champs—elysees. the city's regional president, valerie pecresse , says security valerie pecresse, says security is being boosted and she's confident order will be restored . and what's happening is ultraviolet— . and what's happening is ultraviolet by— and what's happening is ultraviolet by small groups of people— ultraviolet by small groups of people loot— ultraviolet by small groups of people that are— ultraviolet by small groups of people that are very well orgonleel— people that are very well organised and— people that are very well organised and very well trained onl— organised and very well trained and they— organised and very well trained and lley wool— organised and very well trained and they want to— organised and very well trained and they want to defy the repelle— and they want to defy the republic and— and they want to defy the republic and the republic will not ylell. — republic and the republic will nol ylell. ano— republic and the republic will not yield. and we will fight look— not yield. and we will fight look more— not yield. and we will fight look . — not yield. and we will fight back more . jollsz" c" back more. meanwhile, an attempted murder investigation has been opened after where a mayor's home was raided and set alight in a parisian suburb. his wife and one of his children were hurt. the french journalist antonin andre says it's put more pressure on the president.

emmanuel macron , his family were emmanuel macron, his family were were attacked in in his house dunng were attacked in in his house during the night and his wife and his two children are to left the house in emerging because there was fire in the house. and this is what is very eloellng— and this is what is very shocking thing this morning . and shocking thing this morning. and every— shocking thing this morning. and every every— shocking thing this morning. and every every rlyere— shocking thing this morning. and every every myers in france veere— every every myers in france vorre reor— every every myers in france wants that the _ every every myers in france wants that the state and emmanuel— wants that the state and emmanuel macron take take more more , more measures to stop the more, more measures to stop the chaos— more, more measures to stop the chaos . — more, more measures to stop the chaos . rvo— more, more measures to stop the chaos . two people— more, more measures to stop the chaos. two people have been killed and three are in a critical condition after a mass shooting in the us state of maryland. police say up to 30 people suffered gunshot wounds dunng people suffered gunshot wounds during the attack, which took place in the city of baltimore , place in the city of baltimore, where people had gathered for an event as brooklyn day. event known as brooklyn day. nothing is yet known about the attacker or a possible motive . attacker or a possible motive. new measures to deal with disruptive protests have come into force . they include into force. they include expanded police powers to move on static or slow walking protests like those used by just

stop oil a criminal offence to tackle disruption in tunnels has also been introduced , carrying also been introduced, carrying jail terms of up to three years. critics argue the laws threaten the right to protest. meanwhile five just stop. oil activists have been charged after being arrested for disrupt london's pride march yesterday . they've pride march yesterday. they've been charged with behaviour likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress. two others were released on bail pending further inquiries. were released on bail pending further inquiries . the further inquiries. the government says it's determined to stop migrant boats coming to britain, despite the recent legal setback. ministers are preparing to appeal a court decision which blocked the deportation of asylum seekers to rwanda . the health secretary, rwanda. the health secretary, steve barclay , says if nothing's steve barclay, says if nothing's done to stop the boats, the costs could spiral , reaching done to stop the boats, the costs could spiral, reaching up to £11 billion. think your viewers want the government to take action. that is what we're doing-— take action. that is what we're long. were— take action. that is what we're doing. we're doing— take action. that is what we're doing. we're doing so- elrt rzzr" that is what we're doing. we're doing so in elrt rtr" that is what we're doing. we're doing so in a way reor— doing. we're doing so in a way rlror clearly— doing. we're doing so in a way that clearly complies with the legal— that clearly complies with the legal process.— that clearly complies with the legal process. but it's rmporrorrr— legal process. but it's important we now take this to

the important we now take this to re supreme— important we now take this to the supreme court. the prime merel— the supreme court. the prime rllrrlerer: rhe— the supreme court. the prime minister, the home secretary are lerermlrrel— minister, the home secretary are determined to— minister, the home secretary are determined to stop— minister, the home secretary are determined to stop the boats and if determined to stop the boats and r we— determined to stop the boats and r we lore-r:— determined to stop the boats and if we don't, then— determined to stop the boats and if we don't, then there will be a if we don't, then there will be e huge— if we don't, then there will be e rouge coer— if we don't, then there will be e rouge eoer . — if we don't, then there will be a huge cost . rt:rr: a huge cost. barrister lord carlile, though , says the carlile, though, says the proposal is unlawful . proposal is unlawful. government is not proposal is unlawful. - government is not upholding the law government is not upholding the low onl— government is not upholding the low and rrrey-ve— government is not upholding the law and they've approached this whole— law and they've approached this vvlrole loll— law and they've approached this vvlrole loll le— law and they've approached this whole bill in a— law and they've approached this whole bill in a completely legal , non compliant— whole bill in a completely legal , non compliant way. whole bill in a completely legal , non compliant way . the basis , non compliant way. the basis of , non compliant way. the basis or role— , non compliant way. the basis of we roll— , non compliant way. the basis of this bill is— , non compliant way. the basis of this bill is that— , non compliant way. the basis of this bill is that there is a sore— of this bill is that there is a sore eovrrrry— of this bill is that there is a safe country or— of this bill is that there is a safe country or safe countries to safe country or safe countries ro sero— safe country or safe countries to send refugees— safe country or safe countries to send refugees to, but in fact rlrey-re— to send refugees to, but in fact rlrey-re only— to send refugees to, but in fact they're only offering one safe coolly:— they're only offering one safe eorrrry: erro— they're only offering one safe country, and that's rwanda . so country, and that's rwanda. so the country, and that's rwanda. so rrre proposal— country, and that's rwanda. so rrre propoeol le— country, and that's rwanda. so the proposal is in— country, and that's rwanda. so the proposal is in tatters . it the proposal is in tatters. it is unlawful. _ the proposal is in tatters. it is unlawful. it— the proposal is in tatters. it is unlawful. it is- the proposal is in tatters. it is unlawful. it is leading to people— is unlawful. it is leading to people pereg— is unlawful. it is leading to people being kept in custody veer— people being kept in custody vvlrerr rrrey— people being kept in custody when they should not be kept in everoly— when they should not be kept in everoly . — when they should not be kept in custody . there— when they should not be kept in custody . there are— when they should not be kept in custody . “r:trt: eltrt: when they should not be kept in custody . “rttrt: etrt: custody. there are calls to introduce temporary work visas for people in the food industry to help reduce soaring prices. the former environment secretary, george eustice, says the skills based immigration policy should also be changed to focus on industries like agriculture that need more support. he spoke to gloria de piero. those support. he spoke to gloria de piero . those sectors who are piero. those sectors who are prolpelrrp—

piero. those sectors who are proorerpp fool— piero. those sectors who are producing food for- 37�* rt:rtr those sectors who are producing food for the nation eon-r— producing food for the nation eon-r rove— producing food for the nation can't have access— producing food for the nation can't have access to the labour reor— can't have access to the labour rlror rlrey— can't have access to the labour rpor rpey reel:— can't have access to the labour that they need, and that's lrlvlrp— that they need, and that's driving both _ that they need, and that's driving both a— that they need, and that's driving both a labour shortage onl— driving both a labour shortage and wage— driving both a labour shortage and wage inflation as well in loose— and wage inflation as well in those sectors. _ and wage inflation as well in those sectors. ' “r: those sectors. and that's exacerbating the problem. so it's not the cause of it, but it's not the cause of it, but it's a big contributing factor. and the one thing the government coulo— and the one thing the government eovll lo— and the one thing the government could do le— and the one thing the government could do re ro— and the one thing the government could do is to basically carve our— could do is to basically carve our-soy— could do is to basically carve our-soy fool— could do is to basically carve out-say food is- could do is to basically carve out say food is different. out and say food is different. ove— out and say food is different. we ore— out and say food is different. we going— out and say food is different. we are going to— out and say food is different. we are going to have a temporary _ we are going to have a temporary semrree— we are going to have a temporary visa scheme, maybe— we are going to have a temporary visa scheme, maybe with a 2 or 3 year— visa scheme, maybe with a 2 or 3 year vlso— visa scheme, maybe with a 2 or 3 year for— visa scheme, maybe with a 2 or 3 year visa for anybody who wants to year visa for anybody who wants ro worl— year visa for anybody who wants ro vorl m— year visa for anybody who wants to work in the— year visa for anybody who wants to work in the food— year visa for anybody who wants to work in the food industry. arl— to work in the food industry. all you— to work in the food industry. all you em— to work in the food industry. and you can see— to work in the food industry. and you can see the- to work in the food industry. and you can see the full- and you can see the full interview with the former environment secretary on gloria meets tonight from 6 pm. rail passengers are facing more disruption over the next week. aslef members at 16 train companies in england will refuse to work overtime, which operators rely on to run their full timetable. the union says it's calling for fair pay. the rail delivery group says aslef rejected its last offer of £5,000 raise, which would bring the basic salary for drivers working a four day week to nearly £65,000. and services will be affected from monday to

. saturday this is gb news more. as always as it happens. but now it is back to nana. good afternoon. it is back to nana.- . good afternoon. welcome it is back to nana.— . good afternoon. welcome on good afternoon. welcome on board. . good afternoon. welcome on loom—ee— . good afternoon. welcome on board._gb news.- i good afternoon. welcome on board._gb news. wei board. this is the gb news. we are board. this is the gb news. we ore-peoples— board. this is the gb news. we are people's channel. i'm are the people's channel. i'm nome—me- are the people's channel. i'm nana—live on- are the people's channel. i'm nana—live on tvi nana akua. we're live on tv omlme— nana akua. we're live on tv omlme omel— nana akua. we're live on tv online and on— nana akua. we're live on tv online and on digital radio. and it's online and on digital radio. and lr-s rosr— online and on digital radio. and it's fast approaching. seven mmvres— it's fast approaching. seven minutes after— it's fast approaching. seven minutes after 3:00. now, before we go:— minutes after 3:00. now, before we go: reel— minutes after 3:00. now, before we go, peel ro— minutes after 3:00. now, before we go, head to head over the merr— we go, head to head over the per hour— we go, head to head over the per hour .— we go, head to head over the next hour . joining me to do that next hour. joining me to do that loopy:— next hour. joining me to do that roloy: polrrreol— next hour. joining me to do that today, political commentator morley— today, political commentator matthew stadlen and ofsted gb nevs— matthew stadlen and ofsted gb news, presenter— matthew stadlen and ofsted gb news, presenter and former erevlr— news, presenter and former erevlr perry— news, presenter and former brexit party mep martin daubney. so brexit party mep martin daubney. so eommp— brexit party mep martin daubney. so eommp up— brexit party mep martin daubney. so eommp up :— brexit party mep martin daubney. so eommp up , o— brexit party mep martin daubney. so coming up, a fifth night of moos— so coming up, a fifth night of elroos m— so coming up, a fifth night of chaos in france— so coming up, a fifth night of chaos in france as rioting eommves— chaos in france as rioting continues across the country. a pumme— continues across the country. a burning eer— continues across the country. a prmmp vs— continues across the country. a burning car was used to attack the burning car was used to attack me home— burning car was used to attack me home or— burning car was used to attack me home or e— burning car was used to attack the home of a parisian suburbia rloyor— the home of a parisian suburbia rloyor m— the home of a parisian suburbia mayor is veer— the home of a parisian suburbia mayor in what authorities are rreormp— mayor in what authorities are rreormp os— mayor in what authorities are treating as attempted murder. amo— treating as attempted murder. one would— treating as attempted murder. one would you— treating as attempted murder. and would you want to pile on in your— and would you want to pile on in your peel— and would you want to pile on in your peel yore— and would you want to pile on in your back yard because pylons eoulu—

your back yard because pylons eoulu pe— your back yard because pylons could be forced— your back yard because pylons could be forced on brits in order— could be forced on brits in order ro— could be forced on brits in order to hit— could be forced on brits in order to hit the _ could be forced on brits in order to hit the government's mer— order to hit the government's mer zeroe— order to hit the government's net zero.7 yes.— order to hit the government's net zero.7 yes. net zero goals as energy— net zero.7 yes. net zero goals as energy lemmas— net zero.7 yes. net zero goals as energy demands grow, ministers are concerned it— energy demands grow, ministers are concerned it could outpace the are concerned it could outpace me eupuerry— are concerned it could outpace me eupuerry or— are concerned it could outpace the capacity of the national pul— the capacity of the national prlu .— the capacity of the national prru . elus— the capacity of the national grid . plus new— the capacity of the national grid . plus new teachers in grid. plus new teachers in england— grid. plus new teachers in england could— grid. plus new teachers in england could receive £2,400 from— england could receive £2,400 from u— england could receive £2,400 from a labour— england could receive £2,400 from a labour government to stop urem— from a labour government to stop rmem leuvmp— from a labour government to stop them leaving the— from a labour government to stop them leaving the profession . now them leaving the profession. now them leaving the profession. now rrre perry— them leaving the profession. now me perry says— them leaving the profession. now the party says that— them leaving the profession. now the party says that their plan to the party says that their plan ro reerulr— the party says that their plan to recruit and— the party says that their plan to recruit and retain to retrain reuerrers— to recruit and retain to retrain reuelrers m— to recruit and retain to retrain teachers in english schools would— teachers in english schools would lead— teachers in english schools would lead to— teachers in english schools would lead to world class reuemmp— would lead to world class teaching for— would lead to world class teaching for every child . where teaching for every child. where move— teaching for every child. where move we— teaching for every child. where have we heard— teaching for every child. where have we heard that before? i've rul— have we heard that before? i've me your— have we heard that before? i've had world beating— have we heard that before? i've had world beating before. now rmey-re— had world beating before. now rmey-re usmp— had world beating before. now they're using world class. it's loomeel — they're using world class. it's doomed. also,— they're using world class. it's doomed. also, seven just stop oil protesters— doomed. also, seven just stop oil protesters were arrested for employee— oil protesters were arrested for displaying london's pride parade yesreruoy— displaying london's pride parade yesreruuy .— displaying london's pride parade yesterday . lgbtq+ just stop. oil yesterday. lgbtq+ just stop. oil memeprs— yesterday. lgbtq+ just stop. oil members called— yesterday. lgbtq+ just stop. oil members called on pride to stop oeeeprmp— members called on pride to stop accepting sponsorship money from high— accepting sponsorship money from high pollurmp— accepting sponsorship money from high polluting industries. i vvomue— high polluting industries. i wonder how— high polluting industries. i wonder how they got to the proresr. — wonder how they got to the proresr. amu— wonder how they got to the protest. and according to one omoru— protest. and according to one oxford university— protest. and according to one oxford university professor, serum-s— oxford university professor, britain's racial— oxford university professor, britain's racial guilt is based on britain's racial guilt is based or rporumeep— britain's racial guilt is based on ignorance. professor nigel propor— on ignorance. professor nigel proper says— on ignorance. professor nigel proper suys mur— on ignorance. professor nigel biggar says that paying slavery repururloms— biggar says that paying slavery reparations would rise up the agenda— reparations would rise up the agenda umuer— reparations would rise up the agenda under a— reparations would rise up the agenda under a labour government

. all— agenda under a labour government . all or— agenda under a labour government . all or user— agenda under a labour government . all or user or— agenda under a labour government . all of that on the— agenda under a labour government . all of that on the way in the merr— . all of that on the way in the per hour— . all of that on the way in the per hour us— . all of that on the way in the next hour as ever,— . all of that on the way in the next hour as ever, tell me what you— next hour as ever, tell me what you rmml— next hour as ever, tell me what you link or— next hour as ever, tell me what you think of everything we're ulseussme. — you think of everything we're discussing. email gb views at gb uevvs— discussing. email gb views at gb uevvs lor— discussing. email gb views at gb uevvs uor — discussing. email gb views at gb news dot com or— discussing. email gb views at gb news dot com or tweet me at . gb news dot com or tweet me at. gb nevs— news dot com or tweet me at. gb news. room.— news dot com or tweet me at. gb news. room. so— news dot com or tweet me at. gb news. right. so we— news dot com or tweet me at. gb news. right. so we are going reel— news. right. so we are going meou ro— news. right. so we are going head to head— news. right. so we are going head to head with the first srory. — head to head with the first srory. rrme— head to head with the first story. france was forced with a mm — story. france was forced with a mm mem— story. france was forced with a fifth night faced— story. france was forced with a fifth night faced with the fifth mem— fifth night faced with the fifth mom or— fifth night faced with the fifth night of chaos— fifth night faced with the fifth night of chaos as heavy clashes perveem— night of chaos as heavy clashes between police— night of chaos as heavy clashes between police and rioters eommueu— between police and rioters continued for— between police and rioters continued for around 719 people were arrested— continued for around 719 people were arrested last— continued for around 719 people were arrested last night, down from— were arrested last night, down from over 1000 _ were arrested last night, down from over 1000 arrests the day before— from over 1000 arrests the day before by— from over 1000 arrests the day before by president emmanuel. rloerom— before by president emmanuel. rluerom lus— before by president emmanuel. macron has accused protesters of evplolrmp— macron has accused protesters of explorrmp rme— macron has accused protesters of exploiting the death . 17 year exploiting the death. 17 year old— exploiting the death. 17 year or n...,_ exploiting the death. 17 year old nana, who— exploiting the death. 17 year old nana, who was shot by police on old nana, who was shot by police or ruesuuy. — old nana, who was shot by police on tuesday. tensions are high rme— on tuesday. tensions are high across the country with anti—immigration sentiment being at anti—immigration sentiment being arme— anti—immigration sentiment being at the forefront— anti—immigration sentiment being at the forefront of— anti—immigration sentiment being at the forefront of the polrrleul— at the forefront of the political agenda since 2022. rresluem— political agenda since 2022. president since _ political agenda since 2022. president since that election emu— president since that election emu polls— president since that election and polls suggest that macron's murlomollsr— and polls suggest that macron's nationalist political opponent , nationalist political opponent, mumme— nationalist political opponent, rlurme le— nationalist political opponent, marine le pen,— nationalist political opponent, marine le pen, would win a rumor— marine le pen, would win a runoff mell— marine le pen, would win a runoff held today if held today . all— runoff held today if held today . all mom.— runoff held today if held today .all rrpm. so—

runoff held today if held today . all right. so let's see what my— . all right. so let's see what my pumellrsrs— . all right. so let's see what my panellists think of that. also— my panellists think of that. also om— my panellists think of that. also or me— my panellists think of that. also on the menu with regard to rms— also on the menu with regard to mm rople— also on the menu with regard to mm rople ls— also on the menu with regard to this topic is rwanda and the rumour— this topic is rwanda and the rwandan policy,— this topic is rwanda and the rwandan policy, which has been manoeu— rwandan policy, which has been branded unlawful, are riots just around— branded unlawful, are riots just around me— branded unlawful, are riots just around the corner— branded unlawful, are riots just around the corner for us here in the around the corner for us here in me um— around the corner for us here in me ul. so— around the corner for us here in the uk. soldiscuss- around the corner for us here in the uk. soldiscuss ,- around the corner for us here in the uk. so discuss , joining the uk. so to discuss, joining me,-commentator. me, political commentator murrmev— me, political commentator matthew - and - me, political commentator matthew and also gb me, political commentator- matthew-and also gb news matthew stadler and also gb news presemer— matthew stadler and also gb news presenter-former— matthew stadler and also gb news presenter former brexit presenter and former brexit party— presenter and former brexit early rum— presenter and former brexit party mep, daubney . presenter and former brexit party mep, daubney. i'm party mep, martin daubney. i'm going— party mep, martin daubney. i'm going-with— party mep, martin daubney. i'm pomp-rum you:- party mep, martin daubney. i'm going with you, matthew going to start with you, matthew sruulem — going to start with you, matthew sullen—uls- going to start with you, matthew stadlen _ it's good i stadlen first of all, it's good to stadlen first of all, it's good rollere. — stadlen first of all, it's good to.here. nana- stadlen first of all, it's good to.here. nana i- stadlen first of all, it's goodi to.here. nana i-just to be here. nana i only just stopped because i've stopped sweating because i've been rushing over from lourdes, one test matches one of the great test matches of all time is unfurling. i'm here to be with you on gb news. that's why i've got my mic tie on. oh, that's good. of you. as far on. oh, that's good. of you. as for us— on. oh, that's good. of you. as for us me— on. oh, that's good. of you. as far as the riots— on. oh, that's good. of you. as far as the riots are concerned, it's, first of all, really difficult to understand when so many rioting . many people are rioting. exactly they are, because exactly why they are, because mere— exactly why they are, because mere-roe — exactly why they are, because there - be - range l exactly why they are, becausei there - be - range of there will be a whole range of reasons,ithink. _ there will be a whole range of reasons, think. but i would reasons, i think. but i would suppesr— reasons, i think. but i would suppesr mu— reasons, i think. but i would suggest and-of- reasons, i think. but i would suggest and of us are suggest and none of us are memer:— suggest and none of us are french,.alone- suggest and none of us are french, alone french french, let alone french experrs— french, let alone french evperrs-r— french, let alone french experts, i would suggest experts, that i would suggest mor— experts, that i would suggest rmur ome— experts, that i would suggest rmur or— experts, that i would suggest that one of the— experts, that i would suggest that one of the reasons is peese— that one of the reasons is because there— that one of the reasons is because there extreme because there is extreme poverry:— poverty, just as there is in ms— poverty, just as there is in rms-.— poverty, just as there is in this-. another- poverty, just as there is in this . another reason poverty, just as there is in- this-. another reason is this country. another reason is discrimination— this country. another reason is discrimination on— this country. another reason is discrimination on and racism as mere— discrimination on and racism as mere ls— discrimination on and racism as mere ls m— discrimination on and racism as rlrere ls lm rlrls— discrimination on and racism as there is in this country, but mor— there is in this country, but no lur— there is in this country, but not but much— there is in this country, but not but much more, i think, than mere— not but much more, i think, than rlrere ls— not but much more, i think, than rlrere ls m— not but much more, i think, than

there is in this— not but much more, i think, than there is in this country. amorlrer— there is in this country. another reason i was talking ulour— another reason i was talking ulour-ro— another reason i was talking about-to martin- another reason i was talking about to martin his show about this to martin on his show yesreruuy—ll- about this to martin on his show yesreruuy—ll you- yesterday is because if you srlel— yesterday is because if you srlel people— yesterday is because if you stick people in— yesterday is because if you stick people in the suburbs, if you— stick people in the suburbs, if you-vlole— stick people in the suburbs, if you-whole bunch- stick people in the suburbs, if you whole bunch of not you stick a whole bunch of not very— you stick a whole bunch of not very well— you stick a whole bunch of not very well off— you stick a whole bunch of not very well off people, often lmmlerum— very well off people, often immigrant communities on the oursllrrs— immigrant communities on the oursllrrs ol— immigrant communities on the outskirts of cities— immigrant communities on the outskirts of cities and you have all me— outskirts of cities and you have all rlre posh:— outskirts of cities and you have all the posh, expensive stuff going— all the posh, expensive stuff pomp om— all the posh, expensive stuff pomp or m— all the posh, expensive stuff going on in the— all the posh, expensive stuff going on in the centres, then you— going on in the centres, then you ure— going on in the centres, then you are alienating people. you are you are alienating people. you pulle— you are alienating people. you are quite literally— you are alienating people. you are quite literally de othering rlrem. — are quite literally de othering rlrem. ure— are quite literally de othering them. we don't— are quite literally de othering them. we don't really do that in ms— them. we don't really do that in mm eoumry. — them. we don't really do that in this country. -we_ them. we don't really do that in this country. we have inner this country. yes, we have inner elrles— this country. yes, we have inner elrles-vvlrere— this country. yes, we have inner elrles-vlrere l— this country. yes, we have inner cities,-where i live- this country. yes, we have inner cities, where i live in west cities, but where i live in west lomuom— cities, but where i live in west lomuom-ovm— cities, but where i live in west london own street, you've london or my own street, you've got london or my own street, you've pol—houses- london or my own street, you've eor—lrouses ure- got 50% of the houses are prlvurely— got 50% of the houses are privately owned and 50% are ulvlueu— privately owned and 50% are ulvlueu up— privately owned and 50% are divided up into— privately owned and 50% are divided up into social housing flus— divided up into social housing lluls. amel— divided up into social housing lluls. ame l— divided up into social housing flats. and i think— divided up into social housing flats. and i think if you have lmeproreu— flats. and i think if you have integrated populations , it makes integrated populations, it makes this integrated populations, it makes rlrls sorr— integrated populations, it makes rlrls sorr ol— integrated populations, it makes this sort of thing— integrated populations, it makes this sort of thing less likely. uuvmp— this sort of thing less likely. uuvmp solel— this sort of thing less likely. having said that, we can't be eomplueem. — having said that, we can't be eomplueem. l— having said that, we can't be complacent. i just mentioned erleler.— complacent. i just mentioned erleler. ure— complacent. i just mentioned cricket. we had— complacent. i just mentioned cricket. we had a— complacent. i just mentioned cricket. we had a report into erleler— cricket. we had a report into erleler m— cricket. we had a report into cricket in this— cricket. we had a report into cricket in this country this week.— cricket in this country this week-amounts- cricket in this country this- week.-amounts.racism week. huge amounts of racism sull— week. huge amounts of racism ell—progress- still there. lots of progress sull— still there. lots of progress srllllle— still there. lots of progress still-be made.- still there. lots of progress still be made. so we still to be made. so we absolutely— still to be made. so we absolutely we- still to be made. so we absolutely we cannot be eomplueem— absolutely we cannot be complacent . - absolutely we cannot be complacent . .lr�*~l:elx “ absolutely we cannot be- complacent . martin daubney, we complacent. martin daubney, we need to end this nonsense that britain is racist or france is racist. what's some of the most rolerum:— racist. what's some of the most tolerant, welcoming— elrt what's some of the most tolerant, welcoming countries on eomm— tolerant, welcoming countries on eorrlre — tolerant, welcoming countries on eorrlre wry— tolerant, welcoming countries on eorrlre wry re— tolerant, welcoming countries on earth? why are six—

tolerant, welcoming countries on earth? lily etrt: ~er>o< e“r: wq�*q�*q�* tolerant, welcoming countries on earth? lily etrt: ~er>o< el“r: lyooo earth? why are six and 6000 net people per year getting here if we're so unwelcoming and terrible? on to france, there's a feeling of inevitability about what happened in france. 2000 people arrested in two nights, 45,000 extra police force dispatched onto the streets , dispatched onto the streets, pubuc dispatched onto the streets, public buildings burning, widespread looting for feral youths, just smashing in shops, taking trainers and handbags and even food. now they are opting honest scumbags and this. this was precipita hated by the shooting of a 17 year old lad who mbappe the french football captain called a saint . who mbappe the french football captain called a saint. he wasn't a saint. let's look . he wasn't a saint. let's look. he had 15 convictions. he had 15 criminal activities . and the car criminal activities. and the car he was in, his friends said they borrowed. now they stole the car . they were stopped by police because they were known to police. this resisted arrest police. this kid resisted arrest the he was a the weekend before. so he was a known agent provocateur and a tragedy unfolded. nobody deserves to be shot like that. but what happened next? we had a

french journalist on yesterday. you had him on again today saying the left are taking political advantages because they want an insurrection. it's a wet dream for socialists for there to be a revolution and an uprising. the right don't need to do anything at the moment, actually, because the results of macron's open borders policy is there for all to see. i agree with you. they are, as you acknowledged _ they are, as you acknowledged yesterday , they are acknowledged yesterday, they are the acknowledged yesterday, they are rlre mem— acknowledged yesterday, they are rlre rlem ure— acknowledged yesterday, they are the right are doing— acknowledged yesterday, they are the right are doing something. t hey— the right are doing something. they opportunistic they are being opportunistic on uls— they are being opportunistic on ups—rme- they are being opportunistic on this._the rioters. this. and as far as the rioters rlremselves— this. and as far as the rioters themselves are— this. and as far as the rioters themselves are concerned , they themselves are concerned, they are also, some of— themselves are concerned, they are also, some of them opporrumlsr— are also, some of them opporrumsr .- are also, some of them opportunist. i- are also, some of them opportunist. i am are also, some of them- opportunist. i am-defending opportunist. i am not defending ol— opportunist. i am not defending or me— opportunist. i am not defending some of the absolutely ulspusrmp— some of the absolutely disgusting behaviour we've seen in disgusting behaviour we've seen lm rrmee— disgusting behaviour we've seen lm rrmee rr— disgusting behaviour we've seen in france. it was— disgusting behaviour we've seen in france. it was happening on my seer.— in france. it was happening on my srreer. l— in france. it was happening on my street. i would— in france. it was happening on my street. i would be doing everyrlrme— my street. i would be doing everyrlsmp l— my street. i would be doing everything i could to stop it. in everything i could to stop it. lm-m— everything i could to stop it. lm-m zom— everything i could to stop it. in-in 2011, when- everything i could to stop it. in in 2011, when we had in fact, in 2011, when we hadi our—was in france. our own riots, i was in france. lromleully— our own riots, i was in france. lromleully omel— our own riots, i was in france. ironically and i— our own riots, i was in france. ironically and i came back early in ironically and i came back early lm order— ironically and i came back early in order literally— ironically and i came back early in order literally to— ironically and i came back early in order literally to defend, to mor— in order literally to defend, to use that word— in order literally to defend, to use that word literally. but yes,— use that word literally. but yes—louse- use that word literally. but. yes, _house, defend use that word literally. but- yes,_house, defend my yes, defend my house, defend my poems— yes, defend my house, defend my parents, defend,— yes, defend my house, defend my parents, defend, defend my property— parents, defend, defend my properry .— parents, defend, defend my property - seer— parents, defend, defend my property . see, there is property. see, there is opportunism - property. see, there is opportunism going on. there olvvuys— opportunism going on. there ulvoys ls.— opportunism going on. there always is. there— opportunism going on. there always is. there are people who lusr— always is. there are people who tum-eer— always is. there are people who lusr-eer u— always is. there are people who lusr-eer o revv- always is. there are people who just-get a new pair- always is. there are people who just get a new pair of just want to get a new pair of rumers— just want to get a new pair of rrumerslyou— just want to get a new pair of trainers, you might say. trainers, as you might say. mere-s— trainers, as you might say. there's-and- trainers, as you might say. there's-and so- trainers, as you might say. there's and so forth. there's looting and so forth.

eur— there's looting and so forth. our-lumeuupe- there's looting and so forth. but language still matters. but the language still matters. amu— but the language still matters. ame—seme- but the language still matters. and—senior policei and we saw two senior police unions-use the- and we saw two senior police unions use the word and we saw two senior police. unions-use the word i unions yesterday use the word i rllml— unions yesterday use the word i rlrml vermm— unions yesterday use the word i think vermin describes somebody. now:— think vermin describes somebody. uovl—lr-s- think vermin describes somebody. nov—ls muelr- now, i'm not saying it's much lum— now, i'm not saying it's much rum—ueumsr- now, i'm not saying it's much fun—against thesei fun coming up against these people— fun coming up against these people-wouldn't- fun coming up against these people wouldn't use words people, but i wouldn't use words like-wouldn't- like vermin. iwouldn't use words— like vermin. iwouldn't use words-feral— like vermin. i wouldn't use words-feral-you. like vermin. i wouldn't use. words-feral-you use words like feral that you use leeuuse— words like feral that you use leeuuse-eomp- words like feral that you use because going to words like feral that you use. because-going to get because that's not going to get to because that's not going to get ro-roor— because that's not going to get ro-roor ol— because that's not going to get to - root of the _ because that's not going to get to root of the problem. we to the root of the problem. we ulsolurely— to the root of the problem. we absolutely have— to the root of the problem. we absolutely have to have a twin rruel— absolutely have to have a twin rruel upprouelr— absolutely have to have a twin track approach and if track approach in france. and if it track approach in france. and if lr-lere— track approach in france. and if lr-lere us— track approach in france. and if it-here as well,- track approach in france. and if. it-here as well,-and it happens here as well, law and oreur. — it happens here as well, law and oreur. les— it happens here as well, law and order. yes. these— it happens here as well, law and order. yes. these people have to be order. yes. these people have to le mell— order. yes. these people have to le lelu ro— order. yes. these people have to be held to account.— order. yes. these people have to be held to account. we have to leul—ll- be held to account. we have to leul—lr lusl deal with the poverty. it has luppemeu— deal with the poverty. it has luppemeu-umu— deal with the poverty. it has happened and i predict it happened here and i predict it will happen every will happen again. every switched ice ba.2 switched on copper ice ba.2 says, you know, this is coming our way. part the reason our way. and part of the reason for is that the for that, matthew, is that the police just aren't policing anymore. young don't fear anymore. young people don't fear the busy the police. they're too busy dancing or taking dancing the macarena or taking the black lives matter. the knee to black lives matter. and a message and that sends out a message that won't get their heads that they won't get their heads cracked with a truncheon like when a kid. if put when i was a kid. if you put your foot through a shop window, when i was a kid. if you put your fbe through a shop window, when i was a kid. if you put your fbe bangedl a shop window, when i was a kid. if you put your fbe banged upshop window, when i was a kid. if you put your fbe banged up straightldow, you'd be banged up straight away. dancing away. and now they're dancing around they're on social around and they're on social media their endeavours media filming their endeavours for follows. they want for likes and follows. they want this notoriety and there's an absolute that if the absolute sense that if the police are on total eggshells, the wrong kind of arrest and the

wrong kind of restraint, you see that? remember, there's a video a couple of weeks ago from vauxhall station of five coppers completely arrest a completely unable to arrest a couple black people because couple of black people because they're kneel on they're too scared to kneel on them it in a way because them or do it in a way because everything being filmed everything is being filmed and it precipitate. not it will precipitate. i'm not going comment on individual going to comment on individual cases , but what i would say, i cases, but what i would say, i think this is really, really vital. of think this is really, really vital . of course we have to have vital. of course we have to have rrm— vital. of course we have to have rlrm pollelmp— vital. of course we have to have firm policing. the— . of course we have to have firm policing. the conservatives let firm policing. the conservatives ler mor— firm policing. the conservatives ler no le— firm policing. the conservatives ler mor ler us— firm policing. the conservatives let not let us not— firm policing. the conservatives let not let us not forget and i know— let not let us not forget and i lmovv youe— let not let us not forget and i know you're not— let not let us not forget and i know you're not a— let not let us not forget and i know you're not a fan of the conservatives, _ know you're not a fan of the conservatives, but the conservatives, but the- conservatives - been in conservatives who've been in power— conservatives who've been in power-eus- conservatives who've been in power-years. one- conservatives who've been in power years. one way or power for 13 years. one way or umorler. — power for 13 years. one way or umorler. cur.— power for 13 years. one way or another. cut. and— power for 13 years. one way or another. cut. and yes, they're rryme—luel. i another. cut. and yes, they'rei rrymp—luel. our trying to build them back. but zoooo— trying to build them back. but 20,000_around| 20,000 police officers around vlere— 20,000 police officers around where l— 20,000 police officers around vlere l-upum— 20,000 police officers around where i-again in- 20,000 police officers around where i again in west where i live again in west lomuom— where i live again in west london,-see- where i live again in west london, see drug drops in london, you see drug drops in me— london, you see drug drops in rle—uuy- london, you see drug drops in rle—uuy. you. london, you see drug drops ini the—day. you see the middle of the day. you see people— the middle of the day. you see people geome— the middle of the day. you see people getting with. l/rt:e“ people getting away with. yeah, but people getting away with. yeah, our-reully— people getting away with. yeah, our-reully lul— people getting away with. yeah, but-really bad stuff. but. people getting away with. l/rt:e“ ”rtettyr :rer: but we but the really bad stuff. but we need foreign policing.- but the really bad stuff. but we need foreign policing. i- :rer: but we need foreign policing. i agree vul— need foreign policing. i agree vvlrlr you— need foreign policing. i agree vvlrl you mur— need foreign policing. i agree with you that that's true. but the with you that that's true. but rle pulm— with you that that's true. but rle pomr ls.— with you that that's true. but the point is, people- with you that that's true. but the point is, people are saying that be a mirror of that this could be a mirror of what be happening if what might be happening here if we a hold on it in we don't get a hold on it in particular. but let's be careful leeuuse— particular. but let's be careful because we don't— particular. but let's be careful because we don't we- tel but let's be careful because we don't we don't add perrol— because we don't we don't add perrol ro— because we don't we don't add perrol ro rle— because we don't we don't add petrol to the i'm— because we don't we don't add petrol to the i'm not adding perrol— petrol to the i'm not adding

perrol ro— petrol to the i'm not adding perrol ro rle— petrol to the i'm not adding petrol to the flames. g . “g petrol to the flames. i'm giving an honest observation that people at that and people are looking at that and saying of cohesion saying that the lack of cohesion that seeing france that we're seeing in france and the anger we're seeing from the anger that we're seeing from people that people around could mean that potential. the petrol potential. we are and the petrol to the is being applied to the flames is being applied by rioters. they've bound by the rioters. they've bound unu— by the rioters. they've bound me me— by the rioters. they've bound umu rle sule— by the rioters. they've bound and the sale of— they've bound and the sale of flammable fluids to and the sale of flammable fluids ro people— and the sale of flammable fluids ro people m— and the sale of flammable fluids to people in france— and the sale of flammable fluids to people in france jerry to people in france in jerry cans, because— to people in france in jerry cans, because they're literally rlrrovmp— throwing molotov cocktails into lllrurles. — throwing molotov cocktails into libraries. -think- throwing molotov cocktails into libraries. -think there- libraries. i do think there are differences. burn and this differences. burn books and this lot differences. burn books and this lor-lumme— differences. burn books and this lot-burning and— differences. burn books and this lot-burning and we'll- r: ”rt: ”rt: t burn books and this lot burning and we'll get lot are burning and we'll get luel— lot are burning and we'll get back-differences- lot are burning and we'll get back differences between back to our differences between rrmee— back to our differences between rrumee unu— back to our differences between france and britain. “rttrt: france and britain. there are differences france and differences between france and britain. it's divided by a channel people coming channel that people are coming across droves. right. across in their droves. right. well, on to the next well, moving on to the next story, we'd love to hear your thoughts that. by the way, thoughts on that. by the way, what you hundreds of what do you think? hundreds of miles move on now this miles will move on now to this one. i don't fancy it in one. i mean, i don't fancy it in my backyard. maybe you do. do you a pile in your own you fancy a pile on in your own backyard? apparently, hundreds of overhead and of miles of overhead cables and pylons the pylons could be forced onto the british meet the net british public to meet the net zero of as energy zero goal. of course, as energy demands grow, ministers are increasingly concerned it could outpace the capacity the outpace the capacity of the national grid as many households switch heat switch to electric cars and heat pumps. national grid chief executive pettigrew told executive john pettigrew told

the that i'd be the telegraph that i'd be incredibly it would be incredibly it would be incredibly challenging to expand the to meet the the grid to meet the government's targets, including eliminating fossil fuel generation by 2035. but would you want a pylon in your backyard ? let's see what my backyard? let's see what my panel maker that joining me now, matthew stadlen and also martin daubney net zero along daubney martin net zero along with open borders are two of the slow suicides that the liberal west is committing upon itself. this this religion of saving the plume— this this religion of saving the plume of— this this religion of saving the planet of climate, emergency of net planet of climate, emergency of per ero— planet of climate, emergency of net zero basically— planet of climate, emergency of net zero basically is impoverished , dying people. it's impoverished, dying people. it's lmpoverlslme— impoverished, dying people. it's impoverishing the poorest , the impoverishing the poorest, the lruruesr. — impoverishing the poorest, the lruruesr. lr-s— impoverishing the poorest, the hardest. it's forcing petrol om— hardest. it's forcing petrol cars off the _ hardest. it's forcing petrol cars off the road by 2030, gas lollers— cars off the road by 2030, gas lollers vvlll— cars off the road by 2030, gas boilers will be— cars off the road by 2030, gas boilers will be next. we're perrmp— boilers will be next. we're perrmp pooer— boilers will be next. we're getting poorer, we're getting eomm— getting poorer, we're getting colder, we're _ getting poorer, we're getting colder, we're getting hungrier , colder, we're getting hungrier, unu— colder, we're getting hungrier, and we're told— colder, we're getting hungrier, and we're told we should be happy— and we're told we should be happy -_ and we're told we should be luppy . lye-re— and we're told we should be happy . we're not happy about it. happy. we're not happy about it. we lop-r— happy. we're not happy about it. we uom-r meeu— happy. we're not happy about it. we don't need more we we don't need more pylons. we peel— we don't need more pylons. we peel-pover— we don't need more pylons. we need power stations. we need more power stations. we reel— need more power stations. we need more shale— need more power stations. we need more shale oil. we need eoul ure— need more shale oil. we need more coal. we need energy , we more coal. we need energy, we soverelemry. — more coal. we need energy, we soverelpmry. uovl— more coal. we need energy, we sovereignty. now, the fact of le— sovereignty. now, the fact of rle murrer— sovereignty. now, the fact of the matter is— sovereignty. now, the fact of the matter is putting more wind lurms— the matter is putting more wind lurms vllel— the matter is putting more wind farms which don't— the matter is putting more wind farms which don't work when

rlere-s— farms which don't work when rlere-s mo— farms which don't work when there's no wind— farms which don't work when there's no wind as solar panels , there's no wind as solar panels : we found— there's no wind as solar panels :vve found our— there's no wind as solar panels , we found out last— there's no wind as solar panels , we found out last week, get overleureu— , we found out last week, get overheated-it's- , we found out last week, get overheated it's hot , we found out last week, get- overheated-it's-hot and overheated when it's too hot and you-mule— overheated when it's too hot and you-mule ll— overheated when it's too hot and you-mule lr up.- overheated when it's too hot and you-make it up. it's- you couldn't make it up. it's me— you couldn't make it up. it's like _toytown - you couldn't make it up. it's like toytown politics. like it's like toytown politics. mere-s— like it's like toytown politics. rlere-s u— like it's like toytown politics. there's a complete lack of romeo— there's a complete lack of romeo up— there's a complete lack of joined up thinking, but don't joined up thinking, but we don't peel— joined up thinking, but we don't need more pylons— joined up thinking, but we don't need more pylons . we be need more pylons. we need to be energy— need more pylons. we need to be emerpy soverelpm— need more pylons. we need to be energy sovereign . _ need more pylons. we need to be energy sovereign . rrtg t energy sovereign. every time you talk about pylons, i'm thinking of pylon. i've been on of a twitter pylon. i've been on the wrong end of a lot of twitter pylons. no one likes. no one likes a pylon of any sort. let me just address a couple of things what you say, because things of what you say, because i think it is important. i do think it is important. first all, again, you link first of all, again, you link the you compared the two topics you compared environmental you environmental science. you mistook religion mistook science for religion dermot , but you compared dermot o'leary, but you compared what's with with what's going on with with climate activism not just climate activism and not just climate activism and not just climate activism and not just climate activism one i climate activism. one thing i will this the conservative will give this the conservative government some credit on, although sunak it although not rishi sunak it doesn't to be very doesn't seem to be very interested the environment at interested in the environment at all. resignation, all. hence the resignation, by the goldsmith . do the way, of zac goldsmith. do you see his letter? it was absolutely an essay. boris johnson something towards johnson did something towards trying the planet . the trying to save the planet. the conservatives are taking this seriously. it's not just just stop oil people. it is actually

mainstream. your views. i'm afraid, on this are fringe on the open borders thing. i have to make this point. you say open borders and you use the word suicide. yeah no one wants. well, very, very few people . well, very, very few people. maybe the radical left. and i'm not member, contrary to what not a member, contrary to what some paint me as some people might paint me as a member of the radical left, no one wants open borders. i don't want open borders. _ one wants open borders. i don't want open borders. i- one wants open borders. i don't want open borders. i don't the eu want open borders. i don't the lu us. me— want open borders. i don't the lu us. me lu— want open borders. i don't the eu do. the eu in— want open borders. i don't the eu do. the eu in the- want open borders. r:rtr“ t r:rtr the eu in the eu eu do. the eu in the eu eoumrles— eu do. the eu in the eu countries, they- r:rtr the eu in the eu countries, they have open loruers— countries, they have open borders within _ countries, they have open borders within the eu. l/rt:~er borders within the eu. yes, mulls— borders within the eu. yes, rlur-s rrue. — borders within the eu. yes, that's true. within- borders within the eu. l/rt:~er within the eu that's true. within the eu borders— that's true. within the eu borders those _ that's true. within the eu borders those are- within the eu borders those are open. that's true. within the eu- borders those are open. but what i borders those are open. but what l menu— borders those are open. but what l ls— borders those are open. but what i mean is when it comes to people coming across in irregular the sea, irregular routes over the sea, incredibly risking incredibly dangerous, risking their limb, no one their life and limb, no one seriously, no one seriously wants that. so let's not let's not paint people like me as a sort of left because i'm sort of loony left because i'm not the climate science. we not on the climate science. we cannot it away. nimbyism is cannot wish it away. nimbyism is a strong force. of course a very strong force. of course it wouldn't want to a it is. i wouldn't want to have a pylon my back yard. we have pylon in my back yard. we have to policy has to to get it right. policy has to be sensible and thought out and not knee jerk. but if you say that we should on our that we should renege on our commitment reach net commitment to reach net zero, i think i'm afraid is fringe. think i'm afraid that is fringe.

well, but you're saying well, not. but you're saying mul— well, not. but you're saying rum-so— well, not. but you're saying rum-solve- well, not. but you're saying that.-so.we don't. well, not. but you're saying that.-so.we don't do that. okay, so if we don't do me— that. okay, so if we don't do me pylons— that. okay, so if we don't do the pylons, which is is the the pylons, which is this is the loss— the pylons, which is this is the loss-rme— the pylons, which is this is the boss-the national- the pylons, which is this is the boss the national grid boss with the national grid suyme— boss with the national grid suymp mur— boss with the national grid saying that we— boss with the national grid saying that we need to do that in saying that we need to do that lm order— saying that we need to do that lm oruer ro— saying that we need to do that in order to kind— saying that we need to do that in order to kind of— saying that we need to do that in order to kind of keep up with the in order to kind of keep up with rue-lo,— in order to kind of keep up with rue-lo, so- in order to kind of keep up with the-20, 30 and- in order to kind of keep up withi the-20, 30 and -35 the so—called 20, 30 and 20, 35 leuulmes. — the so—called 20, 30 and 20, 35 deadlines. what— the so—called 20, 30 and 20, 35 deadlines. what is— the so—called 20, 30 and 20, 35 deadlines. what is the alternative,— deadlines. what is the alternative, in view? alternative, in your view? vrell. — alternative, in your view? vrell. lrle— alternative, in your view? well,.the only- alternative, in your view? well, lthe only way- alternative, in your view? well, lthe only way to i alternative, in your view? well, the only way to reach well, if the only way to reach our to stick more our commitments is to stick more pylons regrettably, pylons on, then regrettably, i suppose to swing suppose i would have to swing behind it. but but life is not simple. it's easy. the simple. it's not easy. the problem can't wish away problem is we can't wish away the science. windfarms. by the way, i our natural world. way, i love our natural world. the natural world is just the natural world is not just about not just about carbon. it's not just about carbon. it's not just about temperatures about stopping temperatures going also about going up. it's also about protecting right that's protecting beauty. right that's absolutely somewhat protecting beauty. right that's absollrewilding. somewhat protecting beauty. right that's absollrewilding. my newhat about rewilding. on my 20 questions podcast other questions with podcast the other day, to scotland, when day, when i go to scotland, when i go to scotland, drive up to i go to scotland, i drive up to scotland or the train. scotland or go or on the train. it a beautiful landscape we it is a beautiful landscape we have and i'm afraid us wind turbines do scar that landscape. the fact of matter is, the fact of the matter is, umypouy— the fact of the matter is, anybody - half - the fact of the matter is, anybody - half a - the fact of the matter is, anybody half a brain anybody with half a brain could louve— anybody with half a brain could luve-rem— anybody with half a brain could have-ten years- anybody with half a brain could have ten years ago that have told us ten years ago that if have told us ten years ago that l every— have told us ten years ago that l every eu— have told us ten years ago that m every m— have told us ten years ago that if every car in britain is eleerrle:— if every car in britain is electric,-going. if every car in britain is electric, going to if every car in britain is- electric,-going to need electric, we're going to need| more—mean, the more electricity. i mean, the fuel— more electricity. i mean, the fuel-even— more electricity. i mean, the fact-even-to - more electricity. i mean, the fact-even-to say. more electricity. i mean, the fact even to say it is fact we even have to say it is mump— fact we even have to say it is numb skulled_ fact we even have to say it is numb skulled we— fact we even have to say it is numb skulled we don't need to go love—nov:— numb skulled we don't need to go down _ now, when - numb skulled we don't need to go down now, when you

down this route. now, when you look— down this route. now, when you look ur— down this route. now, when you look ur rle — down this route. now, when you look at the carbon— down this route. now, when you look at the carbon footprint of prouueme— look at the carbon footprint of producing batteries , producing electric batteries, eleerrle— producing electric batteries, electric - it's _ producing electric batteries, electric-it's far- producing electric batteries, electric it's far greater electric cars, it's far greater mum—eur- electric cars, it's far greater rlum—eur .- electric cars, it's far greater rlum—eur . vvel electric cars, it's far greater. than—car . we can than a traditional car. we can srlel— than a traditional car. we can srlel vul— than a traditional car. we can stick with what— than a traditional car. we can stick with what we have. cars are cleaner burning now. they're more-mum— are cleaner burning now. they're more-than they've- are cleaner burning now. they're more than they've ever more efficient than they've ever leem — more efficient than they've ever been. encouraged— more efficient than they've ever been. encouraged by technology leeuuse— been. encouraged by technology leeuuse youe— been. encouraged by technology because you're essentially uuormp— because you're essentially uuormp fuels— because you're essentially quoting facts at us. �*lfvl“rt:trt: eltrt: quoting facts at us. where are you— quoting facts at us. where are you getting these facts? the idea that electric cars are more damaging to the environment and regular cars, we can up regular cars, we can look it up there. there is energy information- “rttrt: there is energy information that does tell you mur— information that does tell you rlrur—lerl information that does tell you. rlrur—ler me that you ask the source. let me lusr— that you ask the source. let me lusr-rlere— that you ask the source. let me lusr-rlere ls— just finish. there is information there just finish. there is- information -there that just finish. there is— information -there that you information out there that you eoulu— information out there that you eoulu look— information out there that you could look and— information out there that you could look and google and find mur— could look and google and find that—source?- could look and google and find that—source? nana.i that what's the source? nana. let that what's the source? nana. ler-r-usr— that what's the source? nana. let-just finish. _ that what's the source? nana. let just finish. let me let me just finish. let me llmlslu— let me just finish. let me finish. what— let me just finish. let me finish. what i'm speaking is mur— finish. what i'm speaking is rlrur-plemy- finish. what i'm speaking is that-plenty of- finish. what i'm speaking is. that-plenty of sources finish. what i'm speaking is that will plenty of sources finish. what i'm speaking is that will tell plenty of sources finish. what i'm speaking is that will tell you nty of sources finish. what i'm speaking is that will tell you that.f sources finish. what i'm speaking is that will tell you that. and rces finish. what i'm speaking is that will tell you that. and inls that will tell you that. and in me— that will tell you that. and in rle-l-ll— that will tell you that. and in rle-l-ll rme— that will tell you that. and in the-i'll find you- that will tell you that. and in the i'll find you an the break, i'll find you an evuer— the break, i'll find you an exact source— the break, i'll find you an exact source for- the break, i'll find you an exact source for but there exact source for you, but there plemy— exact source for you, but there plemy ol— exact source for you, but there are plenty of sources that will rell—eurlom- tell you that the carbon loorprlm— tell you that the carbon footprint creating electric footprint of creating electric unu— footprint of creating electric umu—ls- footprint of creating electric umu—ls fall and electric vehicle is far proper— and electric vehicle is far bigger actually keeping bigger than actually keeping your— bigger than actually keeping your-eul— bigger than actually keeping your-eur. amu- bigger than actually keeping your-car. and in- bigger than actually keeping your car. and in fact, i'll your own car. and in fact, i'll elve— your own car. and in fact, i'll plve you— your own car. and in fact, i'll plve you ome— your own car. and in fact, i'll give you one source, and that was-atkinson- give you one source, and that was atkinson himself, who was rowan atkinson himself, who was rowan atkinson himself, who vus—vvlrol was an electrical engineer who sull— was an electrical engineer who sure-llmsell— was an electrical engineer who said - himself. so - was an electrical engineer who said himself. so that said that himself. so that is a source was rowan _ said that himself. so that is a source was rowan mr source was rowan atkinson. mr eeuu— source was rowan atkinson. mr eeue-eeuu- source was rowan atkinson. mr bean-bean. that's- source was rowan atkinson. mr bean bean. that's an bean as in mr bean. that's an umusuul— bean as in mr bean. that's an unusual-source.- bean as in mr bean. that's an unusual source. no, unusual ask for a source. no, lr-s— unusual ask for a source. no, lr-s-um— unusual ask for a source. no, it's-an unusual- unusual ask for a source. no, it's an unusual source it's not an unusual source

leeuuse— it's not an unusual source leeuuse le-s— it's not an unusual source because he's an- it's not an unusual source because he's an electrical emmeepr. — because he's an electrical engineer. _let's- because he's an electrical engineer. let's do some engineer. well, let's do some rluy— engineer. well, let's do some rluy mmsell— engineer. well, let's do some tidy himself-no,- engineer. well, let's do some tidy himself. no, i'm not tidy himself. he no, i'm not going— tidy himself. he no, i'm not pomp-elo— tidy himself. he no, i'm not pomp-lo some- tidy himself. he no, i'm not going do some typing in the going to do some typing in the lreul. — going to do some typing in the break. _patronise- break. don't patronise me leeuuse— break. don't patronise me because-you- break. don't patronise me. because _you were. because you said you were. let me— because you said you were. let me-l— because you said you were. let me-l lop-r— because you said you were. let me-i don't need- because you said you were. let me-i don't need to- me finish. i don't need to reuse— me finish. i don't need to because i've— me finish. i don't need to because i've just remembered. let-s— because i've just remembered. ler-s-luve— because i've just remembered. ler-s-luve-rov- because i've just remembered. let's-have-row. i'ml let's not have another row. i'm not up for a personal row. thank you very much. well not up for a personal row. - thank you very much. well okay, so-rull— thank you very much. well okay, so-rull ulour— thank you very much. well okay, so _talk about this. - thank you very much. well okay, so talk about this. the so let me talk about this. the source-is rowan- so let me talk about this. the source is rowan atkinson. source for me is rowan atkinson. ue-s— source for me is rowan atkinson. ue-sleleerrleul— source for me is rowan atkinson. he's electrical engineer. he's an electrical engineer. he wore— he's an electrical engineer. he wrote-actually- he's an electrical engineer. he wrote-actuallylin. wrote about it actually in in me— wrote about it actually in in rle-suyme— wrote about it actually in in the-saying that- wrote about it actually in in the saying that he has the paper saying that he has pome— the paper saying that he has pore-le— the paper saying that he has gone the electric car dream gone off the electric car dream leeuuse— gone off the electric car dream because-realises— gone off the electric car dream because realises that because he realises that ueruully— because he realises that ueruully rr— because he realises that actually it is— because he realises that actually it is not better for me— actually it is not better for the environment and you're the environment and that you're perrer—perroll better off keeping your petrol enume— better off keeping your petrol empme umll— better off keeping your petrol engine until it— better off keeping your petrol engine until it actually dies our— engine until it actually dies our-mum— engine until it actually dies our-rlum-uml out rather than buying an eleerrle— out rather than buying an electric we electric car. but right there we go. loom.— electric car. but right there we go. lelpm. ler-s— electric car. but right there we go. right. let's move on. you're vul— go. right. let's move on. you're vlrlr-l-m— go. right. let's move on. you're vvlrlr-l-m uumu— go. right. let's move on. you're with i'm nana akua. this is with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb with me. i'm nana akua. this is ee-rv— with me. i'm nana akua. this is ee-rv omlme- with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb _tv online and- with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb tv online and on gb news on tv online and on menu— gb news on tv online and on ulplrul ruulo. — gb news on tv online and on digital radio. .the- gb news on tv online and on digital radio. the way. new digital radio. on the way. new reuelers— digital radio. on the way. new teachers could— digital radio. on the way. new teachers could be— digital radio. on the way. new teachers could be offered £2,400 lomus— teachers could be offered £2,400 poms—rurryl bonus s under the labour party to bonus s under the labour party ro-elussroom— bonus s under the labour party to classroom dropouts. but to stop classroom dropouts. but is to stop classroom dropouts. but ls-rlem— to stop classroom dropouts. but ls-rlem-ro- to stop classroom dropouts. but ls-rlem-ro slop- is this the right way to stop me—

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trouble has been happening, surprised that happening, i'm surprised that the happening, i'm surprised that rue—lus- happening, i'm surprised that rle—lrus mor- happening, i'm surprised thati the—has not been the word anarchy has not been useel — the word anarchy has not been useel rlese— the word anarchy has not been used. these riots— the word anarchy has not been used. these riots have gone well beyond— used. these riots have gone well leyomu-lum— used. these riots have gone well beyond-ian says- used. these riots have gone well beyond ian says the beyond protest. ian says the remem— beyond protest. ian says the french government needs to get a grip— french government needs to get a prlp ol— french government needs to get a prlp or rlese— french government needs to get a prlp or rlese-om— french government needs to get a grip of these on these grip of these riots on these lulors— grip of these riots on these lulors .— grip of these riots on these lulors . p— grip of these riots on these idiots . d says— grip of these riots on these idiots . d says my friend is idiots. d says my friend is eurremly— idiots. d says my friend is currently visiting her sister an hour— currently visiting her sister an hour or— currently visiting her sister an hour or so outside paris, loorme— hour or so outside paris, loormp umu— hour or so outside paris, looting and rioting is going on everywhere.— looting and rioting is going on everywhere. oh— looting and rioting is going on everywhere. oh dear. crikey. and elus— everywhere. oh dear. crikey. and elrls suys— everywhere. oh dear. crikey. and chris says, well,— everywhere. oh dear. crikey. and chris says, well, i— everywhere. oh dear. crikey. and chris says, well, i just hope rle— chris says, well, i just hope the historic— chris says, well, i just hope the historic libraries are removme— the historic libraries are removing books for safe storage umu— removing books for safe storage and museums and— removing books for safe storage and museums and moving stuff to slorupe— and museums and moving stuff to sroruee. eur— and museums and moving stuff to storage. but unfortunately , you storage. but unfortunately, you eum-r— storage. but unfortunately, you eum-r-llsreu— storage. but unfortunately, you can't listed buildings can't rebuild listed buildings umu— can't rebuild listed buildings umu relullu— can't rebuild listed buildings and rebuild heritage. yeah, a pool— and rebuild heritage. yeah, a pool pom.— and rebuild heritage. yeah, a good point. this— and rebuild heritage. yeah, a good point. this is real good point. this is a real problem.— good point. this is a real problem. let's- good point. this is a real problem. let's that they problem. let's hope that they can-violence- problem. let's hope that they can violence quite can stop that violence quite eur— can stop that violence quite our ll— can stop that violence quite soon. but if you've just tuned in, soon. but if you've just tuned m. lr-s— soon. but if you've just tuned m. lr-s lusr— soon. but if you've just tuned in, it's just coming up to 26 mmures— in, it's just coming up to 26 minutes-3:00.- in, it's just coming up to 26 minutes 3:00. this is gb minutes after 3:00. this is gb uevs. — minutes after 3:00. this is gb uevs. llovme— minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. moving on— minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. moving on to our next srory— news. moving on to our next srory-u— news. moving on to our next. story-a-government story now, a labour government would— story now, a labour government would elve— story now, a labour government would give £2,400— story now, a labour government would give £2,400 to teachers at the would give £2,400 to teachers at me pepmmmp— would give £2,400 to teachers at the beginning-their— would give £2,400 to teachers at the beginning their careers the beginning of their careers to the beginning of their careers ro-srop— the beginning of their careers ro-srop rlem- the beginning of their careers to stop them leaving the to try to stop them leaving the classroom i now _ to try to stop them leaving the classroom now party's classroom. now the party's vlslom— classroom. now the party's vision education vision for education has announced labour's shadow announced by labour's shadow luueurlom— announced by labour's shadow education secretary, bridget

rlrllllpsom— education secretary, bridget phillipson. according to phillipson. today according to povemmem— phillipson. today according to government figures, nearly 1 in 5 government figures, nearly 1 in sreuelers— government figures, nearly 1 in 5 teachers who— government figures, nearly 1 in 5 teachers who qualified in 2020 louve— 5 teachers who qualified in 2020 luve smee— 5 teachers who qualified in 2020 have since quit.— 5 teachers who qualified in 2020 have since quit. and now this pav— have since quit. and now this puy poosr— have since quit. and now this pay boost could— have since quit. and now this pay boost could cost 50 million a pay boost could cost 50 million uyeur— pay boost could cost 50 million uyeur umu— pay boost could cost 50 million a year and would— pay boost could cost 50 million a year and would be funded by removme— a year and would be funded by removme luv— a year and would be funded by removing tax breaks for private selools. — removing tax breaks for private selools. ls— removing tax breaks for private schools. is this— removing tax breaks for private schools. is this the right idea? so schools. is this the right idea? so joining— schools. is this the right idea? so rommp me— schools. is this the right idea? so joining me to— schools. is this the right idea? so joining me to discuss going leuu— so joining me to discuss going leuu ro— so joining me to discuss going head to head,— so joining me to discuss going head to head, political commentator- head to head, political commentator matthew stadlen this is commentator matthew stadlen this ls ee— commentator matthew stadlen this ls ee-presemrer— commentator matthew stadlen this is gb _presenter and - commentator matthew stadlen this is gb presenter and former is gb news, presenter and former mell— is gb news, presenter and former erevlr rurry— is gb news, presenter and former brexit party mep— is gb news, presenter and former brexit party mep martin daubney. llurrm— brexit party mep martin daubney. llurrm ouulmey— brexit party mep martin daubney. martin daubney i— brexit party mep martin daubney. martin daubney i think it's a vole— martin daubney i think it's a vore vvmmme— martin daubney i think it's a vote winning idea. t : grtr vote winning idea. it would go love— vote winning idea. it would go down well with the labour bloc . down well with the labour bloc. i agree teachers aren't paid enough. i come from a family of teachers, but i'm very against the idea of taxing private schools. and the reason for that, i didn't go to private school. i went to a bucket comp. i did all right for myself. but what i think they miss the point on is that a great many on here is that a great many families use their savings families use their life savings and they scrap everything they've their they've got to get their children private schools. children into private schools. this myth that everyone is some sort of boris johnson type etonian, a toff who can afford this is wrong.

etonian, a toff who can afford this is wrong . a great many this is wrong. a great many hardworking , ordinary families hardworking, ordinary families strike to get their children into the best school they can give them the best start in life. so i don't like the idea of taxing the so—called rich to help the poor. it's typical steal from john, give to peter and paul, that sort of idea. and i think it's the politics of envy and that's what i think puts a lot of people off with the labour party. and i say that as somebody who voted for the labour party for 20 years. i think now all want to do is think now all they want to do is tax the rich and what will happen they'll just flee the happen is they'll just flee the country. sutton just on country. matthew sutton just on mur— country. matthew sutton just on flour-pom.— country. matthew sutton just on that-point, that's— country. matthew sutton just on that-point, that's a- that last point, that's a very old— that last point, that's a very old fashioned— that last point, that's a very old fashioned conservative urpumem.— old fashioned conservative argument. you argument. the idea that if you ruse— argument. the idea that if you rues— argument. the idea that if you raise taxes, people will just free — raise taxes, people will just free neoumrry. — raise taxes, people will just flee -country. as- raise taxes, people will just flee country. as said, flee the country. as you said, we flee the country. as you said, ve louve— flee the country. as you said, we luvelereur— flee the country. as you said, we have great country, right. we have a great country, right. rue-ve— we have a great country, right. we've-problems.- we have a great country, right. we've problems. there's we've got problems. there's progress— we've got problems. there's progress-made- we've got problems. there's progress made across progress to be made across lots of progress to be made across lots or—meluume- of different areas, including rme— of different areas, includingi rle—ure the environment. but we are a very— the environment. but we are a very-eomm— the environment. but we are a very-country. and- the environment. but we are a very country. and i don't very good country. and i don't rllml— very good country. and i don't rllml-vvumr— very good country. and i don't think-wantlleave. very good country. and i don't think want leave it. think people want to leave it. if i think people want to leave it. l r us— think people want to leave it. l l super— think people want to leave it. if i was super rich, i wouldn't vvumr— if i was super rich, i wouldn't vumr ro— if i was super rich, i wouldn't want to leave _ if i was super rich, i wouldn't want to leave this— if i was super rich, i wouldn't want to leave this country. now if i was super rich, i wouldn't wa the) leave this country. now if i was super rich, i wouldn't wa the particulars country. now if i was super rich, i wouldn't wa the particular issue ltry. now if i was super rich, i wouldn't wa the particular issue ofl. now on the particular issue of lulour-s— on the particular issue of labour's policy, i actually rlrml— labour's policy, i actually rlml lr-s— labour's policy, i actually think it'sllittle - labour's policy, i actually think it's little bit think it's a little bit gimmicky-- think it's a little bit gimmicky. i mean, every penny eoumrs—leeuusei counts at the moment because people—

counts at the moment because people struggling. counts at the moment because peotle struggling. counts at the moment because peotle saying;truggling. counts at the moment because peotle saying;trug11ing. and i keep saying this 11 mllllom— and i keep saying this 11 million people struggling to million people are struggling to urroru— million people are struggling to urroru-rlelr— million people are struggling to afford _their bills. - million people are struggling to afford their bills. so afford to pay their bills. so 2000— afford to pay their bills. so zooo—ls- afford to pay their bills. so 2000-is going. afford to pay their bills. so 2000 is going to afford to pay their bills. so- 2000-is going to help 2000 odd quid is going to help some-whether- 2000 odd quid is going to help some-whether it's- 2000 odd quid is going to help some whether it's enough some people. whether it's enough to some people. whether it's enough ro rum— some people. whether it's enough ro rum uouru— some people. whether it's enough to turn around education to turn around the education sysrem.—reullyl system, whether it's really emouplr — system, whether it's really. enough _teachers enough to encourage teachers to stay. — enough to encourage teachers to stay. _the — enough to encourage teachers to star-the drop- enough to encourage teachers to stay.-the drop out- enough to encourage teachers to stay. the drop out and stay. i mean, the drop out and i don-t— stay. i mean, the drop out and i den-n men— stay. i mean, the drop out and i don't mean that— stay. i mean, the drop out and i don't mean that in— stay. i mean, the drop out and i don't mean that in a pejorative wav— don't mean that in a pejorative nay memen— don't mean that in a pejorative way against teachers, the way against teachers, but the men— way against teachers, but the men em— way against teachers, but the men one-fen— way against teachers, but the drop out for teachers drop out rate for teachers during— drop out rate for teachers during conservative during this conservative government— during this conservative government last during this conservative- government-last however government over the last however many—m- many years, 13 years, is eneemne. — many years, 13 years, is shocking. schools are the shocking. and schools are the lifeblood— shocking. and schools are the lifeblood - society. - shocking. and schools are the lifeblood society. motty lifeblood of our society. motty veen— lifeblood of our society. motty veen-eenee— lifeblood of our society. motty yeah, - agree that - yeah, i totally agree that the mement— yeah, i totally agree that the burnout-gen- yeah, i totally agree that the burnout - got l lot i yeah, i totally agree that the burnout got lot of burnout rate i've got a lot of mates— burnout rate i've got a lot of mates-ene— burnout rate i've got a lot of mates are teachers. mates who are teachers. i play memen— mates who are teachers. i play football with— mates who are teachers. i play football with a— mates who are teachers. i play football with a lot of teachers and they're all exhausted, they're all on their they they're all on their knees, they are underpaid undervalued. are underpaid and undervalued. i'll applies for i'll say the same applies for nurses. you know, agree nurses. you know, we can agree that should be paid that these people should be paid more. what i don't like is more. but what i don't like is this we should this idea that we should penalise school penalise private school attendance. happened penalise private school atthatance. happened penalise private school at that the. happened penalise private school at that the rich happened penalise private school at that the rich won't happened penalise private school at that the rich won't carelappened penalise private school at that the rich won't care and aned is that the rich won't care and will get more students from overseas. i used to do a lot of school talks in private schools and i know that could fill and i know that they could fill those alone chinese those schools alone with chinese students, with students from overseas. won't bother the overseas. it won't bother the schools. up their schools. they'll simply up their fees kids and fees and wealthier kids and parents in. but what parents will come in. but what will are the will be priced out are the aspirational, working aspirational, hard working

middle who will middle class families who will then not be able to get the best for their children. and we do live in a free market economy. and those those kids being forced comps when they forced back into comps when they have they have a they have a they have a choice. they want and get in a grammar want to try and get in a grammar school. now, you've got to buy a house. it costs a fortune. so we already no strata's in already have no strata's in education. this this education. but i think this this gimmick two a half gimmick of paying two and a half grand more to a teacher, it's not going to solve the problem. i the private school i just think the private school mine,— i just think the private school mine-ne— i just think the private school thing,-it's really- thing, i think it's really interesting— thing, i think it's really interesting because we've been deeming— debating this, haven't we, since, - know, - debating this, haven't we, since, know, decades since, i don't know, decades emce— since, i don't know, decades since—neme- since the thatcher years, and mnem— since the thatcher years, and men-mnem- since the thatcher years, and when labour were a bit when perhaps labour were a bit more serious about even thinking enem— more serious about even thinking about potentially— more serious about even thinking about potentially abolishing emme— private schools. i say this just enme— private schools. i say this just. cards—somebody cards on the table as somebody mne— cards on the table as somebody who—educated. who who's privately educated myself—mm- myself and having this conversation- myself and having this. conversation _wife myself and having this- conversation _wife at the conversation with my wife at the mem — conversation with my wife at the mem enm— conversation with my wife at the moment, what would we want our emm— moment, what would we want our emme-nee— moment, what would we want our child do.7 personally, would moment, what would we want our childhimio.7 personally, would moment, what would we want our childhim to personally, would moment, what would we want our childhim to go rsonally, would moment, what would we want our childhim to go to nally, would moment, what would we want our childhim to go to the y, would moment, what would we want our childhim to go to the local)uld love him to go to the local eme— love him to go to the local state school,— love him to go to the local state school, which by the way, is outstanding. _ state school, which by the way, is outstanding. on— state school, which by the way, is outstanding. on on ofsted, n-e—eenen- is outstanding. on on ofsted, it's—action, but it's recommended action, but i mink— it's recommended action, but i mink-me— it's recommended action, but i think-the chance- it's recommended action, but i think the chance of think there is the chance of unintended— think there is the chance of unintended consequence, liz, mm— unintended consequence, liz, met-nume— unintended consequence, liz, that-allude to. - unintended consequence, liz, that allude to. there is the that you allude to. there is the possibility—rich. possibility that the really rich people—me - possibility that the really richj people _the fees, people will still pay the fees, the people will still pay the fees, me people — people will still pay the fees, me people nne— people will still pay the fees, the people who just the people who can only just manage— the people who can only just menepe te—

the people who can only just manaep to pay— the people who can only just manage to pay the fees will drop out manage to pay the fees will drop eat-me— manage to pay the fees will drop eat-me me— manage to pay the fees will drop out-into the state- manage to pay the fees will drop out into the state sector out and go into the state sector ana— out and go into the state sector and men— out and go into the state sector and men people— out and go into the state sector and then people from overseas mu— and then people from overseas mu maven— and then people from overseas will hoover up— and then people from overseas will hoover up those places. mat-e— will hoover up those places. mat-alma— will hoover up those places. that'slthat is— will hoover up those places. that'slthat is a- will hoover up those places. that's that is a possibility that's a that is a possibility in that's a that is a possibility m-meapn. - that's a that is a possibility m-meapnlal in principle, though. it's a mann— in principle, though. it's a mam-n— in principle, though. it's a elaen-n ,— in principle, though. it's a clash, it , between, on the clash, isn't it, between, on the name,— clash, isn't it, between, on the one hand, parents,— clash, isn't it, between, on the one hand, parents, you know, market— one hand, parents, you know, market economy,— one hand, parents, you know, market economy, parents having the market economy, parents having me meeaem — market economy, parents having the freedom to— market economy, parents having the freedom to their the freedom to send their ennanen— the freedom to send their children wherever they want to send — children wherever they want to send mem — children wherever they want to send mem .— children wherever they want to send them . on— children wherever they want to send them . on the other hand, send them. on the other hand, the send them. on the other hand, me name— send them. on the other hand, me name ef— send them. on the other hand, the rights of the— send them. on the other hand, the rights of the child are not to face— the rights of the child are not to face discrimination in a way eaaeanenaa— to face discrimination in a way educational discrimination, discrimination— educational discrimination, discrimination ,_ educational discrimination, discrimination , even while they discrimination, even while they are discrimination, even while they ennanen. — discrimination, even while they are children. so— discrimination, even while they are children. so simply because someone's parents— are children. so simply because someone's parents can't afford mem — someone's parents can't afford men to— someone's parents can't afford men to sena— someone's parents can't afford them to send to— someone's parents can't afford them to send to a— someone's parents can't afford them to send to a better school men— them to send to a better school men mom— them to send to a better school men mipna ena— them to send to a better school , they might end up being disadvantaged— , they might end up being disadvantaged . , they might end up being disadvantaged. t , they might end up being disadvantaged . t disadvantaged. that is isn't the point. isn't the point that instead of giving somebody a little bribe to sort of make them stay, the party them stay, the labour party should really, that's going should really, if that's going to of their policies, to be one of their policies, actually be focusing on actually raising the standard of all education, in state education, especially in state schools spending more money schools and spending more money in there than trying to trying to teachers to stay in, to bribe teachers to stay in, surely only surely because that's only dumbing down, because dumbing everything down, because all happen. i to all that will happen. i went to all that will happen. i went to a private school. most of

a private school. the most of the people that there. the people that were there. there some very rich there were some very, very rich people, of the people people, but most of the people there quite average there were quite average and their parents working very, their parents were working very, very their kids very hard to send their kids there. parents that there. my parents were in that category. yeah. and i think we need— category. yeah. and i think we need te— category. yeah. and i think we need elven,— category. yeah. and i think we need to.very, very- fgg “43?" and i think we need to very, very careful. need to be very, very careful. neve— need to be very, very careful. meme-been— need to be very, very careful. we've been paralysed by we've already been paralysed by enmes— we've already been paralysed by emme-ane— we've already been paralysed by strikes are conservative strikes and are conservative mae— strikes and are conservative anae-men,— strikes and are conservative rule, know, teachers, rule, you know, rail teachers, nurses , junior doctors. what's nurses, junior doctors. what's it pamp— nurses, junior doctors. what's it game e— nurses, junior doctors. what's it game to pe— nurses, junior doctors. what's it going to be like if the labour— it going to be like if the labour party— it going to be like if the labour party start kind of taking— labour party start kind of taking their— labour party start kind of taking their knee to their to men—me- taking their knee to their toi men—me nu taking their knee to their to. their—the eu or their union donors as the eu or me— their union donors as the eu or me-mnnann— their union donors as the eu or the-militant, that- their union donors as the eu or the militant, that they're the most militant, that they're the most militant, that they're me one— the most militant, that they're me oneeane-— the most militant, that they're the ones are asking for the ones who are asking for aeemem-- the ones who are asking for- vaccine-in classrooms, vaccine mandates in classrooms, for—m- vaccine mandates in classrooms,i for—in classrooms. for mask mandates in classrooms. they— for mask mandates in classrooms. mey nota— for mask mandates in classrooms. mey note a— for mask mandates in classrooms. they hold a tremendous of they hold a tremendous amount of poe— they hold a tremendous amount of power-m— they hold a tremendous amount of power-m one— they hold a tremendous amount of power.-if one off— they hold a tremendous amount of power.-if one off pay- they hold a tremendous amount of power. if one off pay rises power. and if one off pay rises for power. and if one off pay rises to aeaenen— power. and if one off pay rises for teacher on— power. and if one off pay rises for teacher on the _ power. and if one off pay rises for teacher on the cards, how before— for teacher on the cards, how soon before they— for teacher on the cards, how soon before they want an inflation— soon before they want an inflation busting rise .7 what inflation busting pay rise? what abom— inflation busting pay rise? what about-mammo— inflation busting pay rise? what about nursing unions? and about the nursing unions? and i minn— about the nursing unions? and i mink wee— about the nursing unions? and i think we're going— about the nursing unions? and i think we're going to be heading for a— think we're going to be heading for a mage— think we're going to be heading for a nnge, nnge— think we're going to be heading for a huge, huge public purse if we dangling— for a huge, huge public purse if we dangling these carrots before an-wnao— we dangling these carrots before an-wnaa me— we dangling these carrots before an-what the-is- an election. what the hell is going— an election. what the hell is going-pe— an election. what the hell is going be afterwards? going to be like afterwards? wan— going to be like afterwards? wan-an.— going to be like afterwards? well,-all, just- going to be like afterwards? well, - all, just to - going to be like afterwards? well,-all, just to yourj well, first of all, just to your point, nana, can't drive point, nana, you can't drive standards without teachers. standards up without teachers. so to find a way, so we have to find a way, whether conservative whether it's a conservative government labour government or a labour government or a labour government or a coalition. we have to a of keeping have to find a way of keeping teachers profession. it's

teachers in the profession. it's just so important if we just so it's so important if we don't have teachers, how can educational standards rise? the other trapped other problem is we are trapped at as a society. if at the moment as a society. if we raise people's wages is then the idea economically is that that's inflation and then everything gets worse. we've seen what's a; g we've seen what's happened. t everything gets worse. we've seen what's happened. it's like announ— seen what's happened. it's like a vicious cycle. _ seen what's happened. it's like a vicious cycle. i— seen what's happened. it's like a vicious cycle. i really think they're going in the wrong direction. i think it's actually the labour party should look at actually improving education standards when they get in office. get in office, office. if they get in office, rather than think that rather than trying to think that they're rob peter to they're going to rob peter to pay they're going to rob peter to pay it just simply won't pay paul, it just simply won't work. but are your work. but what are your thoughts? love to hear those thoughts? i'd love to hear those two. gb news .com or two. gb views gb news .com or tweet at news. and earlier tweet me at gb news. and earlier in show we were discussing in the show we were discussing pylons could forced on pylons that could be forced on us. british public, to reach us. the british public, to reach this ridiculous net zero target. let's you've been let's see what you've been saying. net is saying. mikey says net zero is an expensive scam. i'm with you there, the way. there, mikey. all the way. graham says zero is for the graham says net zero is for the poon graham says net zero is for the poor. net zero is zero for the poon poor. net zero is zero for the poor. it'sjust poor. net zero is zero for the poor. it's just zero in your bank account. by the bank account. frankly, by the end mary says, would end of it, mary says, would i want pilot my backyard? want a pilot in my backyard? i would just like a backyard. i

would just like a backyard. i would rather a pylon than some of my antisocial neighbours . of my antisocial neighbours. well, you know, it'll be electric flying if you do get one. i think they're terrible. the dangerous and i think there are problems with them in themselves, especially environmental themselves, especially environmelshould actually put think they should actually put into as well. but into the equation as well. but if you just join me, welcome on board. is gb news on tv, board. this is gb news on tv, onune board. this is gb news on tv, online and digital radio. on online and on digital radio. on the seven arrests made the way. seven arrests were made yesterday stop oil yesterday as just stop oil protests pride protests delayed london's pride parade. just stop oil parade. so have just stop oil lost the plot. but first, let's get your latest news headlines . get your latest news headlines. it's 333. i'm aaron armstrong in the newsroom.— it's 333. i'm aaron armstrong in the newsroom. the— it's 333. i'm aaron armstrong in the newsroom. the french government— the newsroom. the french government will hold crisis tame— government will hold crisis take me— government will hold crisis talks this evening to address the talks this evening to address me enn— talks this evening to address the civil unrest— talks this evening to address the civil unrest after a fifth mom— the civil unrest after a fifth mom of— the civil unrest after a fifth night of rioting.— the civil unrest after a fifth night of rioting. more than 700 people— night of rioting. more than 700 people wee— night of rioting. more than 700 people were arrested across the country— people were arrested across the country overnight— people were arrested across the country overnight with tear gas mea— country overnight with tear gas used lo— country overnight with tear gas used to disperse— country overnight with tear gas used to disperse crowds in naneellle— used to disperse crowds in naneellle .— used to disperse crowds in marseille , in— used to disperse crowds in marseille , in paris and marseille, in paris and allemplea— marseille, in paris and attempted murder investigations being— attempted murder investigations pelng opened— attempted murder investigations being opened after a mayor's nome— being opened after a mayor's nome wa— being opened after a mayor's home was raided— being opened after a mayor's home was raided and set alight.

his home was raided and set alight. me we— home was raided and set alight. me we ana— home was raided and set alight. his wife and one— home was raided and set alight. his wife and one of his children nan— his wife and one of his children nan ana— his wife and one of his children were hurt and two— his wife and one of his children were hurt and two people have been— were hurt and two people have been llllea— were hurt and two people have been killed and— were hurt and two people have been killed and three people are in been killed and three people are ln anneal— been killed and three people are in critical condition after a mass shooting— in critical condition after a mass shooting in the us state of maryland. — mass shooting in the us state of maryland. police— mass shooting in the us state of maryland. police say up to 30 people— maryland. police say up to 30 people wee— maryland. police say up to 30 people were injured in the city of baltimore,— people were injured in the city of baltimore, where people had oalnenea— of baltimore, where people had ealnenea fon— of baltimore, where people had gathered for an— of baltimore, where people had gathered for an event called nnoollwn— gathered for an event called nnoollwn paw.— gathered for an event called brooklyn day. nothing is yet known— brooklyn day. nothing is yet known about— brooklyn day. nothing is yet known about the attacker or a poeelple — known about the attacker or a possible motive _ known about the attacker or a possible motive .— known about the attacker or a possible motive . five just stop. possible motive. five just stop. oil possible motive. five just stop. on aellwele— possible motive. five just stop. oil activists have— possible motive. five just stop. oil activists have been charged wan— oil activists have been charged with behaviour— oil activists have been charged with behaviour likely to cause nanaeemenl— with behaviour likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress amen— harassment, alarm or distress amen being— harassment, alarm or distress after being arrested for alempnne— after being arrested for disrupting london's pride march weelenlaw— disrupting london's pride march yesterday. police— disrupting london's pride march yesterday. police say two other nave— yesterday. police say two other men have been— yesterday. police say two other men have been released on bail pending— men have been released on bail pending funnel— men have been released on bail pending further inquiries. the nns— pending further inquiries. the nns nae— pending further inquiries. the nhs has seen— pending further inquiries. the nhs has seen a— pending further inquiries. the nhs has seen a steep rise in its demand— nhs has seen a steep rise in its demand for— nhs has seen a steep rise in its demand for gambling addiction eenleee— demand for gambling addiction eenleee .— demand for gambling addiction services. health— demand for gambling addiction services . health officials are services. health officials are panlenlanlw— services. health officials are particularly concerned about a open— particularly concerned about a town of— particularly concerned about a town on a— particularly concerned about a touch of a button— particularly concerned about a touch of a button bets with onllanen— touch of a button bets with children and— touch of a button bets with children and adults being bombarded— children and adults being bombarded with gambling ads. new epeelal— bombarded with gambling ads. new epeelal ellnlee— bombarded with gambling ads. new special clinics are— bombarded with gambling ads. new special clinics are being opened me— special clinics are being opened across the country— special clinics are being opened across the country after nearly moo— across the country after nearly moo pallenle— across the country after nearly 1400 patients were referred last wean— 1400 patients were referred last wean ana— 1400 patients were referred last wean ana ome— 1400 patients were referred last year. and some breaking news mel— year. and some breaking news we moo— year. and some breaking news we no ae— year. and some breaking news we no as m— year. and some breaking news just into us in the— year. and some breaking news just into us in the last few mlnalee— just into us in the last few minutes, it's— just into us in the last few minutes, it's been confirmed the us minutes, it's been confirmed the

us pneelaenl— minutes, it's been confirmed the us president will— minutes, it's been confirmed the us president will meet the king and enme— us president will meet the king and prime minister when he wells— and prime minister when he wells me— and prime minister when he visits the uk— and prime minister when he visits the uk next week. the lone— visits the uk next week. the name nome— visits the uk next week. the white house says joe biden's navelllne— white house says joe biden's navelllne lo — white house says joe biden's travelling to to— white house says joe biden's travelling to to london strengthen _ travelling to to london strengthen the close relationship before heading to lllnaanla— relationship before heading to lithuania and— relationship before heading to lithuania and finland to attend the lithuania and finland to attend me woo— lithuania and finland to attend the nato summit— lithuania and finland to attend the nato summit . more on that the nato summit. more on that ana— the nato summit. more on that and all— the nato summit. more on that and all me— the nato summit. more on that and all the rest— the nato summit. more on that and all the rest of— the nato summit. more on that and all the rest of our stories on our website,— and all the rest of our stories on our website, gb news .com. mat-e— on our website, gb news .com. mat-e ll— on our website, gb news .com. mat-e ll lon— on our website, gb news .com. that's it for the _ on our website, gb news .com. that's it for the moment. now pael— that's it for the moment. now back lo— that's it for the moment. now back lo nana— that's it for the moment. now back to nana .— back to nana. i thank- back to nana. i thank you,| back to nana. thank you, aaron. it's coming up to minutes after 3:00. up to 36 minutes after 3:00. still come , an oxford still to come, an oxford professor has said that britain's racial guilt is based on ignorance. nigel biggar says that britain paying slavery reparations rise up the reparations would rise up the agenda under a labour government . but before that, seven arrests were made yesterday as justice for delayed. london's for protests delayed. london's pride parade. so have just stop oil lost the plot? stay tuned . oil lost the plot? stay tuned. that's up .

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wan-l— it's absurd. right ulez said he wan-l walle— it's absurd. right ulez said he didn't write that. _ it's absurd. right ulez said he didn't write that. i decided mal— didn't write that. i decided lnal m— didn't write that. i decided lnal ln lee— didn't write that. i decided that in les says— didn't write that. i decided that in les says net zero will be me— that in les says net zero will be the downfall— that in les says net zero will be the downfall all of us. be the downfall of all of us. vee— be the downfall of all of us. es la— be the downfall of all of us. vee ll wlll— be the downfall of all of us. yes it will be _ be the downfall of all of us. yes it will be alongside those pwlone. — yes it will be alongside those pwlone. .eawe. — yes it will be alongside those pwlone-eawe. nal- yes it will be alongside those pylons. says. but if we pylons. stan says. but if we meel— pylons. stan says. but if we meel-nel— pylons. stan says. but if we meet-net zero- pylons. stan says. but if we meet net zero target, will meet our net zero target, will me— meet our net zero target, will one-pe— meet our net zero target, will one-be eavea- meet our net zero target, will the-be saved in- meet our net zero target, will the be saved in 2030? oh, the world be saved in 2030? oh, no , ll— the world be saved in 2030? oh, no , ll onl— the world be saved in 2030? oh, no , it won't. no,— the world be saved in 2030? oh, no , it won't. no, it— the world be saved in 2030? oh, no , it won't. no, it won't. no, it won't. no, it won't. neeaaee— no, it won't. no, it won't. because apparently we contribute no, it won't. no, it won't. blalthough parently we contribute no, it won't. no, it won't. blalthough that itly we contribute no, it won't. no, it won't. blalthough that isy we contribute no, it won't. no, it won't. blalthough that is slightlyltribute 1, although that is slightly disingenuous— 1, although that is slightly disingenuous because we ofsted it disingenuous because we ofsted ll became— disingenuous because we ofsted ll because we— disingenuous because we ofsted it because we have— disingenuous because we ofsted it because we have things pnoawea— it because we have things produced all— it because we have things produced all across the world in places— produced all across the world in plaeee-cnlna— produced all across the world in places-china who- produced all across the world in places china who aren't places like china who aren't doing— places like china who aren't doing anwlnlne— places like china who aren't doing anything reduce their doing anything to reduce their net-largel— doing anything to reduce their nel-laneel al— doing anything to reduce their net-target at all. - doing anything to reduce their net target at all. right net zero target at all. right let-e— net zero target at all. right lea-e moe— net zero target at all. right let's move on— net zero target at all. right let's move on to- net zero target at all. right let's move on to seven. just slop— let's move on to seven. just elop ol— let's move on to seven. just stop oil protesters because mew-ve— stop oil protesters because anew-we been— stop oil protesters because they've been arrested for trying to they've been arrested for trying lo-annaal— they've been arrested for trying to-annual pride- they've been arrested for trying to annual pride parade to halt the annual pride parade in to halt the annual pride parade ln—weelenaawl in central london yesterday. now:— in central london yesterday. wow-me— in central london yesterday. now,-the parade- in central london yesterday. now, the parade started, now, before the parade started, lemo- — now, before the parade started, lemo- elm,— now, before the parade started, lgbtq. plus, it's— now, before the parade started, lgbtq. plus, it's getting ridiculous— lgbtq. plus, it's getting ridiculous now as the alphabet soup. — ridiculous now as the alphabet soup. wnal-e— ridiculous now as the alphabet soup. what's next? just up, all memepe— soup. what's next? just up, all members called— soup. what's next? just up, all members called on pride to stop aeeepllno— members called on pride to stop accepting sponsorship money from men— accepting sponsorship money from high pollwlno— accepting sponsorship money from high polluting industries, lnelwllne— high polluting industries, including coca—cola. mm there's so including coca—cola. mm there's eo manw— including coca—cola. mm there's eo manw of— including coca—cola. mm there's so many of them.— including coca—cola. mm there's so many of them. police said mal— so many of them. police said lnal me— so many of them. police said that the parade— so many of them. police said that the parade was briefly aelawea— that the parade was briefly aelawea lon— that the parade was briefly delayed for around 17 minutes wnllel— delayed for around 17 minutes whilst officers— delayed for around 17 minutes whilst officers dealt with the pnoleelene— whilst officers dealt with the protesters sitting in front of me— protesters sitting in front of me eon— protesters sitting in front of the soft drink— protesters sitting in front of the soft drink company's float . the soft drink company's float. now:— the soft drink company's float. now, organisers— the soft drink company's float. now, organisers estimate more man— now, organisers estimate more man 30,000— now, organisers estimate more than 30,000 participants from

ooe— than 30,000 participants from across 600 organisations took part— across 600 organisations took pan m— across 600 organisations took pan ln me— across 600 organisations took part in the parade . so what do part in the parade. so what do you— part in the parade. so what do won lnlnle— part in the parade. so what do you think? let's— part in the parade. so what do you think? let's welcome again to you think? let's welcome again lo mw— you think? let's welcome again lo mw panel— you think? let's welcome again to my panel, political commentator matthew stadlen this is commentator matthew stadlen this le en— commentator matthew stadlen this le en newe— commentator matthew stadlen this is gb news, presenter and former mean— is gb news, presenter and former mean manw— is gb news, presenter and former brexit party mep— is gb news, presenter and former brexit party mep martin daubney. the brexit party mep martin daubney. me oaeellon— brexit party mep martin daubney. me oneellon le— brexit party mep martin daubney. the question is, have just op oil the question is, have just op oll loel— the question is, have just op oll loel me— the question is, have just op oil lost the plot?— the question is, have just op oil lost the plot? matthew i'll elan— oil lost the plot? matthew i'll elan wlln— oil lost the plot? matthew i'll elan wlln won. — oil lost the plot? matthew i'll start with you. _ oil lost the plot? matthew i'll start with you. have they the great irony and i think we all know this, great irony know this, that the great irony about just stop oil are about what just stop oil are doing their of tussle doing and their kind of tussle with wing media with the right wing media is that we're still talking about them in a way that's almost it, isn't it? of course. we need isn't it? yes of course. we need the general population to on the general population to be on side move forward , to make side to move forward, to make positive strides with the environment. the way, environment. and by the way, what said about china what you just said about china is the same old stuff. so china needs point. what's needs the point. what's wrong wlln — needs the point. what's wrong wlln male — needs the point. what's wrong with that? it's— needs the point. what's wrong with that? it's true. - needs the point. what's wrong with that? it's true. china needs to do far more than it's doing. can't look at doing. but we can't look at china encourage them china and encourage them on a governmental level to do more than i don't than they're doing. i don't take the lead. i'm not going to encourage them.- the lead. i'm not going to encourage them. - the lead. i'm not going to encourage them. i- : i'm not going to encourage them. cl?" t : i'm not going to encourage them. t the lead. i'm not going to- encourage them. i don't think we are. we are taking the lead. just oil, get headline just stop oil, get headline after headline headline. after headline after headline. i was papers yesterday was doing the papers yesterday morning the morning on another station. the front sun, for

front page of the sun, for goodness the sun and gb goodness sake. the sun and gb news is love hate . just stop news is love to hate. just stop oil. but it's saying no. oil. but it's not saying no. it's going get eyeballs. and it's going to get eyeballs. and guess you're doing? just guess what you're doing? just stop them. it's stop oil's job for them. it's not doing them stop oil's job for them. it'sj not doing them .favours not doing them any favours waeoevennl — not doing them any favours whatsoever. - it- not doing them any favours whatsoever. _it is. whatsoever. in fact, it is building— whatsoever. in fact, it is pallalne a— whatsoever. in fact, it is building a load of people who are absolutely— building a load of people who are absolutely looking at them ana— are absolutely looking at them| anal—foole- and thinking that they're fools. but and thinking that they're fools. pal-ponom — and thinking that they're fools. but-bottom line- and thinking that they're fools. but bottom line is, we but at the bottom line is, we all age— but at the bottom line is, we all agree, most— but at the bottom line is, we all agree, most us, in the all agree, most of us, in the course of having— all agree, most of us, in the course of having a good environment.- environment. but this simply len-l— environment. but this simply len-l-waw— environment. but this simply len-l-wawlao- environment. but this simply isn't-wayldo it.- environment. but this simply isn't way do it. just isn't the way to do it. just elop— isn't the way to do it. just elopiane— isn't the way to do it. just stop are narcissistic stop oil are narcissistic ealllele— stop oil are narcissistic ealllele . — stop oil are narcissistic cultists . and- stop oil are narcissistic cultists . ' z 35al stop oil are narcissistic- cultists . and yesterday was was cultists. and yesterday was was a superb example of how they think their grievance bigger think their grievance is bigger than of than the grievance of persecution of homosexuality . persecution of homosexuality. trans people. it's like no, no, we're important than you. we're more important than you. and it wasn't interesting. the police, they must be in real police, they must be in a real kwarteng oh, god, whose side do we take exactly? because normally take of tea to normally we take cups of tea to just oil we we pat just stop oil and we and we pat them the head and we wear. them on the head and we wear. and we. and we wear rainbow salopettes dance salopettes and dance the macarena the ymca at pride. macarena and the ymca at pride. so whose are we on? which so whose side are we on? which minority? and that, i think, is a key point the police a key point because the police is politicised. now i'm digressing but they've digressing slightly, but they've taken in these

taken sides in the in these tussles as consequence tussles and as a consequence they're the notion they're impotent. but the notion that float of that stopping a float full of guys pants is going to guys in hot pants is going to save the planet is literally the absurdity of just stop oil in a nutshell. and now you say we're talking about them and we are. but every time we talk about them public sympathy for them gets smaller and smaller and small. their small. they are imbeciles. their entitled they're entitled wannabes. they don't understand the real world. they don't pay their own gas bills. their students live with their parents. where are they going? nalanee— parents. where are they going? balance here?— parents. where are they going? balance here? let's— where are they going? balance here? let's have let's nave— balance here? let's have let's nave-elde- balance here? let's have let's have-side.-no,i balance here? let's have let's. have-side.-no, we have the other side. no, no, we it have the other side. no, no, we anno— have the other side. no, no, we p-m, ll— have the other side. no, no, we p-m, ll wae— have the other side. no, no, we it-no, it was his— have the other side. no, no, we it no, it was his turn. t it was no, it was his turn. it me— it was no, it was his turn. it me lam.— it was no, it was his turn. it was his turn. so— it was no, it was his turn. it was his turn. so he- it was no, it was his turn. it was his turn. so he was talking. there's plenty of balance. you're surely you're going to provide you do provide it because you you do you support just stop oil in the way protesting. so i, way they're protesting. so i, i don't think i'm way they're protesting. so i, i don't-think i'm afraid don't actually think i'm afraid anal— don't actually think i'm afraid anal wnao— don't actually think i'm afraid that what they're _ don't actually think i'm afraid that what they're doing can be memee— that what they're doing can be laellnea .— that what they're doing can be justified . right.— that what they're doing can be justified . right. and i say that justified. right. and i say that became— justified. right. and i say that peeaaee ll— justified. right. and i say that peeaaee m l— justified. right. and i say that because if i did— justified. right. and i say that because if i did think that, i'd pnopaplw— because if i did think that, i'd pnopaplw nave— because if i did think that, i'd probably have to— because if i did think that, i'd probably have to go out and do it probably have to go out and do ll mweell— probably have to go out and do ll mweell on— probably have to go out and do it myself or i'd— probably have to go out and do it myself or i'd be— probably have to go out and do it myself or i'd be tempted to go ow— it myself or i'd be tempted to go ow ana— it myself or i'd be tempted to go ow ana ao— it myself or i'd be tempted to go out and do it— it myself or i'd be tempted to go out and do it myself and would— go out and do it myself and woalalao— go out and do it myself and woalalao ll— go out and do it myself and wouldido it-no,. go out and do it myself and wouldido it- no, ii would i do it myself? no, i woolen-l.— would i do it myself? no, i wouldn't. and— would i do it myself? no, i wouldn't. and reason wouldn't. and the reason i woolen-l— wouldn't. and the reason i wouldn't because you love

wouldn't is because you love enelel. — wouldn't is because you love enelel. mew— wouldn't is because you love cricket. they-on- cricket. they did it on a cricket. they did it on a cricket match. the cricket anymore. i've taken my tie off. nee— anymore. i've taken my tie off. he's taking his tie off because they're losing the reason. the reason i wouldn't do they're losing the reason. the reason-i wouldn't do it. they're losing the reason. the reason-i wouldn't do it is| reason that i wouldn't do it is peeaaee— reason that i wouldn't do it is peeaaee .— reason that i wouldn't do it is because i would— reason that i wouldn't do it is because i would not want to be neeponelple— because i would not want to be responsible personally for an ambulance— responsible personally for an ambulance not— responsible personally for an ambulance not being able to get to i ambulance not being able to get lo—l woolen-l- to a hospital. i wouldn't want to a hospital. i wouldn't want to.responsible_ to a hospital. i wouldn't want to.responsible-for- to be responsible role for someone being able to to be responsible role for someone-being able to to someone not being able to get to men— someone not being able to get to men tamer-e— someone not being able to get to their father's funeral right. mal—eawl their father's funeral right. . lnal—eawlnal that doesn't mean to say that meee— that doesn't mean to say that meee-arena- that doesn't mean to say that these-aren't-i. these people aren't brave. i mean,-can-them. these people aren't brave. i mean, can them a these people aren't brave. i- mean,-can-them a cult mean, you can call them a cult if mean, you can call them a cult emana— mean, you can call them a cult if-want. these— mean, you can call them a cult if want. these people if you want. these people are nellng— if you want. these people are nelmg—omen risking their freedom in order to risking their freedom in order lo-a— risking their freedom in order lo-a lol— risking their freedom in order lo-a lot of— risking their freedom in order to-a lot of noise- risking their freedom in order to a lot of noise about to make a lot of noise about eomelnlng— to make a lot of noise about something that,— to make a lot of noise about something that, a, they care apow— something that, a, they care apow-wnw— something that, a, they care about-why are- something that, a, they care about why are you about and b, why are you giggling? _ about and b, why are you giggling? f "oz; giggling? because they're attention seeking fools. martin and i a bit attention seeking fools. martin and i-a bit attention- and i are a bit attention eeellng— and i are a bit attention seeking, but— and i are a bit attention seeking, but we're not prepared to seeking, but we're not prepared lo-pneon— seeking, but we're not prepared lo-pneon lon— seeking, but we're not prepared to-prison for our- to go to prison for our attention— to go to prison for our attention seeking. what i'm eawlng— attention seeking. what i'm eawlng le— attention seeking. what i'm eawlng le ane— attention seeking. what i'm saying is the environment does manen —ane- saying is the environment doesi matter._are brave, matter. these people are brave, but matter. these people are brave, palllnlnl— matter. these people are brave, butithink they're _ matter. these people are brave, but think they're misguided, but i think they're misguided, aaaea— but i think they're misguided, aaaea-waw— but i think they're misguided, aaaea-waw-go- but i think they're misguided,l added _way-go about added in the way they go about it. added in the way they go about ll. -le— added in the way they go about ll. -le l— added in the way they go about ln-le l app,- added in the way they go about it.-is, i think, very- it. but this is, i think, very lmponlanl— it. but this is, i think, very important-was- important. when i was a pneeenlen— important. when i was a pneeenlen l— important. when i was a presenter, i won't mention the anal— presenter, i won't mention the rival channel— presenter, i won't mention the rival channel-four- presenter, i won't mention the rival channel four years rival channel for four years lallng— rival channel for four years lallng-pnone- rival channel for four years taking phone calls from taking phone, phone calls from memepe— taking phone, phone calls from memlee ol— taking phone, phone calls from members of the— taking phone, phone calls from members of the public right across-country- members of the public right across country beyond. across the country and beyond. noel— across the country and beyond. noel-l— across the country and beyond. noel-l lool. — across the country and beyond. 11,000-i took. .did. 11,000 calls. i took. how did i male— 11,000 calls. i took. how did i male ane— 11,000 calls. i took. how did i make the environment a topic anal— make the environment a topic anal people— make the environment a topic that people wanted to talk about

7 that people wanted to talk about e well— that people wanted to talk about e well ll— that people wanted to talk about elvell ll nae— that people wanted to talk about ? well, it was when extinction lelelllon— ? well, it was when extinction rebellion were _ ? well, it was when extinction rebellion were doing their stuff and male— rebellion were doing their stuff and that's because it excites neallw— and that's because it excites neallw elong— and that's because it excites really strong feelings in people.— really strong feelings in people. there is no doubt that mel— people. there is no doubt that wael slop— people. there is no doubt that wael slop ell— people. there is no doubt that just stop oil are— people. there is no doubt that just stop oil are forcing the environment— just stop oil are forcing the environment which i don't just lelleve— environment which i don't just lelleve, lul— environment which i don't just believe, but following the science think— believe, but following the science think is absolutely mal— science think is absolutely wlal lo— science think is absolutely wlal lo pe— science think is absolutely vital to us to— science think is absolutely vital to us to talk about. they lonelng— vital to us to talk about. they lonelng ll— vital to us to talk about. they are forcing it onto— vital to us to talk about. they are forcing it onto the agenda. lul— are forcing it onto the agenda. lw alnealw— are forcing it onto the agenda. but already on— are forcing it onto the agenda. but already on the agenda. every— but already on the agenda. every political— but already on the agenda. every political party- but already on the agenda. every political party in- but already on the agenda. every political party in the united kingdom , you know, united kingdom, you know, believes in the green mantra , believes in the green mantra, the green party being made redundant because all of them are greta thunberg in different coloured rosettes. look at the net targets of the net zero targets of the conservative party who are in power. rid of petrol cars by power. get rid of petrol cars by 2030, gas boilers by 2050. no more coal fired power stations , more coal fired power stations, no more shale. it's like we've already got they've already won . and the point is, there isn't an alternative . i've just come an alternative. i've just come law— an alternative. i've just come lael on— an alternative. i've just come lael on one— an alternative. i've just come back on one thing,— i've just come back on one thing, and that is mle— back on one thing, and that is one .— back on one thing, and that is one . vou— back on one thing, and that is this . you know,— back on one thing, and that is this . you know, i'm relatively this. you know, i'm relatively l-ve— this. you know, i'm relatively l-ve nal— this. you know, i'm relatively be lead a— this. you know, i'm relatively i've had a relatively privileged llle. — i've had a relatively privileged we we— i've had a relatively privileged we be nal— i've had a relatively privileged life. i've had a— i've had a relatively privileged life. i've had a lot— i've had a relatively privileged life. i've had a lot of good fortune.— life. i've had a lot of good lonune. ae— life. i've had a lot of good fortune. as i— life. i've had a lot of good fortune. as i said earlier, i pnwalelw— fortune. as i said earlier, i was privately educated. so i'm

not was privately educated. so i'm nol pnelenllng— was privately educated. so i'm not pretending i'm on my uppers nlgll— not pretending i'm on my uppers ngnl. we— not pretending i'm on my uppers ngnl. woe-lo— not pretending i'm on my uppers right. we-to deal- not pretending i'm on my uppers right. we to deal with right. we have to deal with meee— right. we have to deal with these environmental challenges. wnlle— these environmental challenges. wnlleiean-l— these environmental challenges. while .can't-them - these environmental challenges. while can't them away , while we can't wish them away, we-lo — while we can't wish them away, we-lo leal— while we can't wish them away, we -to deal with - while we can't wish them away, we to deal with them in a we have to deal with them in a way— we have to deal with them in a waw mal— we have to deal with them in a way that means— we have to deal with them in a way that means that the poorest in way that means that the poorest ln—lo— way that means that the poorest ln—lo mol— way that means that the poorest in_do not suffer- way that means that the poorest in_do not suffer .- in our society do not suffer. lul— in our society do not suffer. lw mal— in our society do not suffer. but that isn't— in our society do not suffer. but that isn't happening because the but that isn't happening because ale-nave.— but that isn't happening because the-have-lyou're- the poorest have. if you're going— the poorest have. if you're golnglnave— the poorest have. if you're going have levees , green going to have levees, green leeee— going to have levees, green levees on all— going to have levees, green levees on all of— going to have levees, green levees on all of our energy lllle— levees on all of our energy bills, that's— levees on all of our energy bills, that's not— levees on all of our energy bills, that's not because bills, that's not fair because we— bills, that's not fair because ll-e—lw- bills, that's not fair because. ll-e—lw it's not progressive. but we've alvealw— it's not progressive. but we've meow-lone.- it's not progressive. but we've already-done. it- already got that done. it has to. already got that done. it has loleawlng— already got that done. it has loleawlng ll— already got that done. it has to.-saying it-to- already got that done. it has to. saying it to be done to. i'm saying it has to be done lnvougn— to. i'm saying it has to be done through-taxation.- to. i'm saying it has to be done through taxation. and through general taxation. and by the through general taxation. and by one-aeeepl— through general taxation. and by the-accept that— through general taxation. and by the accept that .the the way, i accept that .the lanevw— the way, i accept that .the battery stuff,— the way, i accept that .the battery stuff, the electric car emm— battery stuff, the electric car elwl len-l— battery stuff, the electric car stuff isn't as— battery stuff, the electric car stuff isn't as obvious clear cut as stuff isn't as obvious clear cut ae pennape— stuff isn't as obvious clear cut ae pemape .— stuff isn't as obvious clear cut as perhaps i thought it was . i as perhaps i thought it was. i all— as perhaps i thought it was. i all a— as perhaps i thought it was. i all a pa— as perhaps i thought it was. i all a ll ol— as perhaps i thought it was. i did a bit of typing away. you lnougnl— did a bit of typing away. you lnougnl l— did a bit of typing away. you thought i was— did a bit of typing away. you thought i was patronising you? i aenl— thought i was patronising you? i wasn't because— thought i was patronising you? i wasn't because rac i would do eome-l— wasn't because rac i would do eome-l lla— wasn't because rac i would do some-i did some- wasn't because rac i would do some i did some typing. some typing, i did some typing. but some typing, i did some typing. lw onene— some typing, i did some typing. lw lneve le— some typing, i did some typing. but there is an— some typing, i did some typing. but there is an important allele— but there is an important article you'll— but there is an important article you'll laugh doubt. article you'll laugh no doubt. lul— article you'll laugh no doubt. but-guardian,- article you'll laugh no doubt. but guardian, which but in the guardian, which anemple— but in the guardian, which attempts-exactl attempts to debunk exact nlnellew— attempts to debunk exact hinckley rowan atkinson hinckley that rowan atkinson avgpmenl. — hinckley that rowan atkinson. avgpmenl. —lne argument. but the fact of the matter is about net zero. it's argument. but the fact of the maentitledbout net zero. it's argument. but the fact of the maentitled privilegedlro. it's argument. but the fact of the maentitled privileged belief. an entitled privileged belief system because the rich can afford to pay for it. when you're existing, when you're putting a huge proportion of your of your salary, your livelihood into surviving heating , eating right and just

heating, eating right and just just not being dead right that takes up a lot more of your money if you're not well off. and we're seeing all the utility bills go up, that won't change. and under green or the so—called green jobs, where are they? net zero will people poorer zero will make people net poorer . i well, look, it seems . i agree. well, look, it seems to . i agree. well, look, it seems lo le— . i agree. well, look, it seems lo le-aleo— . i agree. well, look, it seems to be.-also think- i agree. well, look, it seems to be. also think about it. to be. and also think about it. me— to be. and also think about it. lne-wno— to be. and also think about it. the _who will- to be. and also think about it. the-who will have- to be. and also think about it. the who will have the the people who will have the pwlone— the people who will have the pwlone m— the people who will have the pylons in their— the people who will have the pylons in their backyard won't be _wonderful- pylons in their backyard won't be wonderful people with pylons in their backyard won't be the wonderful people with pylons in their backyard won't be the money erful people with pylons in their backyard won't be the money who'velople with pylons in their backyard won't be the money who've got; with pylons in their backyard won't be the money who've got lovely all the money who've got lovely lana— all the money who've got lovely land-things-_ all the money who've got lovely land-things. it— all the money who've got lovely land-things. it will- all the money who've got lovely land things. it will be no land and things. it will be no mal— land and things. it will be no anal—wu- land and things. it will be no that—will be- land and things. it will be no that—will be ipsisj that no, no. it will be ipsis away. you can't wish nobody nobody's. because it's tough. vell— nobody's. because it's tough. well anal-e— nobody's. because it's tough. well, that's your— : because it's tough. well, that's your reality. male— well, that's your reality. that's-deal- well, that's your reality. that's deal with. that's well, that's your reality. that'reality. eal with. that's well, that's your reality. that'reality. eal imighthat's well, that's your reality. that'reality. eal imight believe your reality. you might believe it. your reality. you might believe ll. —lelleve- your reality. you might believe it._believe it- your reality. you might believe it._believe it .- your reality. you might believe it._believe it. i- it. you might believe it. i lelleve— it. you might believe it. i believe—will. it. you might believe it. i- believe _will change believe the planet will change ana— believe the planet will change and-ellmale— believe the planet will change and-climate will- believe the planet will change and climate will change and the climate will change anwwaw. — and the climate will change anwwaw. .ll— and the climate will change anwwaw. .ll we - and the climate will change anyway. if we look at it, anyway. and if we look at it, our contribution— anyway. and if we look at it, our contribution is about 1. male— our contribution is about 1. male mol— our contribution is about 1. that's not nana. no. well, that's not true. nana. no. well, i that's not true. nana. no. well, l-ll-e— that's not true. nana. no. well, l-ll-e ellgnllw— i know it's slightly disingenuous we use disingenuous because we use lnlnge— disingenuous because we use things-countries- things in other countries and olvlouelw— things in other countries and- obviously _things obviously they are making things on—lnen- obviously they are making things on—lnen mew- on our behalf. but then they need— on our behalf. but then they neelllo— on our behalf. but then they need do something on our behalf. but then they need-do something as need to do something about it as well.— need to do something about it as well-lanew-ve— need to do something about it as well..they're that— need to do something about it as well. they're that bothered. well. if they're that bothered. lul— well. if they're that bothered. lw mew-ve— well. if they're that bothered. but they're not. _ well. if they're that bothered. but they're not. yeah, but mew-ve— but they're not. yeah, but they're bothered about they're not bothered about it. we cooll— they're not bothered about it. we could-live— they're not bothered about it. we could-livelcaves- we could all live in caves in britain china wouldn't care. britain and china wouldn't care. they care. so it's they wouldn't care. so it's going— they wouldn't care. so it's golngleanw— they wouldn't care. so it's golngleamw - they wouldn't care. so it's going carry on. so what

going to carry on. so what anew-ve— going to carry on. so what they're long— going to carry on. so what they're doing, basically the govemmenl— they're doing, basically the government just they're doing, basically the- government_just stop government has stolen just stop oil government has stolen just stop ell—so— government has stolen just stop ell—so mew-ve- government has stolen just stop oil—so they've got. government has stolen just stop oil so they've got to oil standards. so they've got to do_ridiculous. do more and more ridiculous lnlnge— do more and more ridiculous lnlngelgel— do more and more ridiculous things-get some- do more and more ridiculous things get some sort of things to get some sort of allenllon— things to get some sort of attention-very- things to get some sort of attention. very sad. but attention. it's very sad. but lea-e— attention. it's very sad. but we move— attention. it's very sad. but let's move-to- attention. it's very sad. but let's move to the next story. let's move on to the next story. an emoll— let's move on to the next story. an oxford professor has said mal— an oxford professor has said anal—lel that britain's racial guilt is laeel— that britain's racial guilt isi based—regius, based on ignorance. regius, pvoleeeov— based on ignorance. regius, pvoleeeov ol— based on ignorance. regius, professor of-and- based on ignorance. regius, professor of and pastoral professor of moral and pastoral lneologw— professor of moral and pastoral theology-oxford.— professor of moral and pastoral theology oxford. nigel biggar theology of oxford. nigel biggar said theology of oxford. nigel biggar ewe-lamen— theology of oxford. nigel biggar said british people said that the british people it's said that the british people we evelllng— said that the british people it's exciting, isn't it? oh, well— it's exciting, isn't it? oh, well .— it's exciting, isn't it? oh, well, l-m— it's exciting, isn't it? oh, well , i'm not- it's exciting, isn't it? oh, well, i'm not that boring. no, llelen— well, i'm not that boring. no, llelen .— well, i'm not that boring. no, llelen , me— well, i'm not that boring. no, listen , the british people only listen, the british people only feel— listen, the british people only feel gwll— listen, the british people only feel guilt about— listen, the british people only feel guilt about the country's eolonlal— feel guilt about the country's colonial past— feel guilt about the country's colonial past because they know nolnlng— colonial past because they know nolnlng alow— colonial past because they know nothing about it.— colonial past because they know nothing about it. now the lemma— nothing about it. now the defiant oxford— nothing about it. now the defiant oxford professor also eawe— defiant oxford professor also eawe anal— defiant oxford professor also says that britain _ defiant oxford professor also says that britain paying slavery vepavallone— says that britain paying slavery reparations would rise up the agenda— reparations would rise up the agenla unlea— reparations would rise up the agenda under a— reparations would rise up the agenda under a labour govemnenl- agenda under a labour government. now, this follows neellenl— government. now, this follows president biden's— government. now, this follows president biden's out president biden's calling out the president biden's calling out me supreme— president biden's calling out the supreme court ruling against alllvmallve— the supreme court ruling against affirmative action.— the supreme court ruling against affirmative action. he said the cowl— affirmative action. he said the eowl nae— affirmative action. he said the court has effectively ended affirmative _ court has effectively ended affirmative - in - court has effectively ended affirmative in college affirmative action in college almleelone— affirmative action in college almleelone .— affirmative action in college admissions . and strongly, admissions. and i strongly, enonglw— admissions. and i strongly, strongly disagree with the eou-en— strongly disagree with the court's decision. so what does my— court's decision. so what does mw panel— court's decision. so what does mw panel male— court's decision. so what does my panel make of— court's decision. so what does my panel make of this? i'm going to my panel make of this? i'm going lo-wlln— my panel make of this? i'm going lo-wlln wow — my panel make of this? i'm going to -with you. martin- to start with you. martin laulnew— to start with you. martin laulnew . — to start with you. martin daubney . to start with you. martin- daubney . ithink the poisonous daubney. i think the poisonous lie that britain is one of the most racist countries on earth is damaging. who says that, though, from cradle to grave and

children are taught in schools now that white people are oppressors and black people are oppressed . my children tell me oppressed. my children tell me this all the time . they're going this all the time. they're going through the state education system, the curriculum is basically saying britain is racist and white people are the problem and because we problem. and that's because we look through the lens of history . this week we saw saint paul's cathedral . yeah, the one hitler cathedral. yeah, the one hitler tried flatten calling winston tried to flatten calling winston churchill a white supremacist and an imperialist. the guy that beat hitler, the guy that stopped us living under fascism . um, they are. they are slagging off because they only see the bad things of our greatest britons and the bad things of our history. britain stepped up and helped to end slavery. we were formative. we were. we were key players in ending slavery. you can laugh all you like. you're laughing. why— all you like. you're laughing. wnw ae— all you like. you're laughing. wnw wou— l you're laughing. why are you laughing? \.gv.. 232 why are you laughing? navy dad who why are you laughing? navy dad wno-lnvolvel— why are you laughing? navy dad who involved in this battle? who got involved in this battle? and the fact the matter is we and the fact of the matter is we are teaching children a poisonous lie. he's right because teach the bad because we only teach the bad bits and the fact of the matter is, britain is one of the most

welcome and tolerant nations on earth. sadler, start earth. matthew sadler, to start with i think with your last bit, i think britain is one of most britain is one of the most welcoming and inclusive countries the world. in fact, countries in the world. in fact, i would go to be so— countries in the world. in fact, i would go to be so bold- vizil. " 2 in fact, i would go to be so bold as viv::l. " 2 in fact, i would go to be so bold as to say— i would go to be so bold as to eaw ol— i would go to be so bold as to eaw of me— i would go to be so bold as to eaw of me eon— i would go to be so bold as to say of the sort of— i would go to be so bold as to say of the sort of major economies— say of the sort of major economies in- say of the sort of major economies in the world. it's pvolallw— economies in the world. it's pvolallw ane— economies in the world. it's probably the leading country wnen— probably the leading country wnen ll— probably the leading country when it comes— probably the leading country when it comes to inclusivity, leeplle— when it comes to inclusivity, leeplle me— when it comes to inclusivity, despite the attempts of some of the despite the attempts of some of one-plaweve— despite the attempts of some of one-plaweve we— despite the attempts of some of the players we have on the fringe players we have on the fringe players we have on me almavee. — the fringe players we have on the airwaves. so— the fringe players we have on the airwaves. so i— the fringe players we have on the airwaves. so i agree with you— the airwaves. so i agree with wou on— the airwaves. so i agree with wop on anal.— the airwaves. so i agree with you on that. secondly the fight agalnel— you on that. secondly the fight aggng, ane— you on that. secondly the fight against, the fight— you on that. secondly the fight against, the fight against laeelem — against, the fight against fascism was— against, the fight against fascism was something that we enowl— fascism was something that we enowl all— fascism was something that we should all be— fascism was something that we should all be deeply proud of ana— should all be deeply proud of and we— should all be deeply proud of and we should— should all be deeply proud of and we should never forget. mgnl— and we should never forget. lolgnl ana— and we should never forget. lolgnl ana ll— and we should never forget. right and i'd like to bring this polnl— right and i'd like to bring this polnl up— right and i'd like to bring this point up because— right and i'd like to bring this point up because it illustrates it's point up because it illustrates me me— point up because it illustrates me me eon— point up because it illustrates it's the sort of— point up because it illustrates it's the sort of richness, i mml— it's the sort of richness, i app, ol— it's the sort of richness, i think, of the— it's the sort of richness, i think, of the diversity in our eounlvw— think, of the diversity in our eopnlvw ana— think, of the diversity in our country and different perspectives by dad's dad and eeeapel— perspectives by dad's dad and mum escaped the. they were jews. if mum escaped the. they were jews. n lnlaln— mum escaped the. they were jews. if britain hadn't— mum escaped the. they were jews. if britain hadn't let— mum escaped the. they were jews. if britain hadn't let them in, mew— if britain hadn't let them in, new mlgnl— if britain hadn't let them in, they might have— if britain hadn't let them in, they might have died. simple as anal.— they might have died. simple as anal. l— they might have died. simple as anal. l mean— they might have died. simple as anal. l .— they might have died. simple as that. i mean, i wouldn't be. and you— that. i mean, i wouldn't be. and you woolen-l— that. i mean, i wouldn't be. and you wouldn't be— that. i mean, i wouldn't be. and you wouldn't be here. cilia you wouldn't be here. great vellel. — you wouldn't be here. great vellel. om— you wouldn't be here. great relief. oh, dear— you wouldn't be here. great relief. oh, dear. but.- you wouldn't be here. cilia "villi o" 2 but. but you wouldn't be here. cilia ”ecg; c3" 2 but. but my relief. oh, dear. but. but my gvanllalnev— relief. oh, dear. but. but my grandfather on _ relief. oh, dear. but. but my grandfather on my- ”ecg; c3" 2 but. but my grandfather on my mom's side. so my grandfather on my mom's side. so mw mu-me— grandfather on my mom's side. so mw lag— grandfather on my mom's side. so my mum's dad, who— grandfather on my mom's side. so my mum's dad, who was, by a way, aleaenev—

my mum's dad, who was, by a way, a teacher himars,_ my mum's dad, who was, by a way, a teacher himars, he— my mum's dad, who was, by a way, a teacher himars, he worked his way up— a teacher himars, he worked his waw up from — a teacher himars, he worked his way up from private to become ol— way up from private to become one of montgomery's field mavenal. — one of montgomery's field marshal. montgomery's one of the gveal— marshal. montgomery's one of the gveal genevale— marshal. montgomery's one of the great generals of— marshal. montgomery's one of the great generals of the second nonl— great generals of the second world vvan — great generals of the second world war. his— great generals of the second world war. his one of his aide de world war. his one of his aide le eamp. — world war. his one of his aide le eamp. ne— world war. his one of his aide le eamp. ne-a— world war. his one of his aide de camp. he a major. he won de camp. he was a major. he won the de camp. he was a major. he won one mllllavw— de camp. he was a major. he won the military-he's- the military cross. he's lllevallw— the military cross. he's literally _with| the military cross. he's literally _with in literally pictured with monty in the-they— literally pictured with monty in the-they - literally pictured with monty in the they were liberated. the car as they were liberated. wnal-e—l-m- the car as they were liberated. wnal-e—l-m eol the car as they were liberated. wnal-e—l-m eo ll the car as they were liberated.- what's_|'m so i am what's the point? so i'm so i am leeplw— what's the point? so i'm so i am leeplw-ol— what's the point? so i'm so i am leeplw-ol wnao— what's the point? so i'm so i am deeply-of what this- deeply proud of what this eounmw— deeply proud of what this country achieved in defeating country achieved in in defeating laeelem— country achieved in in defeating laeelem ana— country achieved in in defeating fascism and. the— country achieved in in defeating fascism and. the complexity m— fascism and. the complexity arises in that— fascism and. the complexity arises in that two things can be mue— arises in that two things can be lme al— arises in that two things can be lme a me— arises in that two things can be true at the same— arises in that two things can be true at the same time. we should look— true at the same time. we should look al— true at the same time. we should look a nlelonw— true at the same time. we should look at history trying to get to the look at history trying to get to me lawn— look at history trying to get to the truth and— look at history trying to get to the truth and the— look at history trying to get to the truth and the facts. it's navl — the truth and the facts. it's navl enougn— the truth and the facts. it's hard enough trying to analyse. wnao— hard enough trying to analyse. wnal-lel-e— hard enough trying to analyse. what-let's just— hard enough trying to analyse. what-let's just quickly. what about let's just quickly come this question. i'm come to this question. i'm coming to the question. point is mal— coming to the question. point is anal-m— coming to the question. point is anal-milale- coming to the question. point is that-if.take him i that church or if we take him leaee— that church or if we take him leaee me— that church or if we take him because it's interesting and olvloue— because it's interesting and olvloue-wae- because it's interesting and obvious-was to. because it's interesting and. obvious-was to some obvious example was to some evlenl— obvious example was to some enema-can— obvious example was to some evlenl-eanllo- obvious example was to some extent can to some extent if you can be to some evlenl— extent if you can be to some evlenl a— extent if you can be to some extent a white— extent if you can be to some extent a white supremacist lalllng— extent a white supremacist talking takeover talking about the takeover of auenalla— talking about the takeover of australia america. me australia and america. let me llnlen— australia and america. let me llnlen me— australia and america. let me finish the because i'm finish the point, because i'm velwllng— finish the point, because i'm rebuffing-it's- finish the point, because i'm rebuffing it's going rebuffing because it's going on for rebuffing because it's going on lovllong— rebuffing because it's going on lovllong llme— rebuffing because it's going on for long time. what he said for a long time. what he said mal— for a long time. what he said anal me— for a long time. what he said was that the aborigines and the valve—nal- native americans had been lleplaeel— native americans had been displaced first— native americans had been displaced first higher displaced first by a higher gale— displaced first by a higher grade nee— displaced first by a higher grade race. okay, if that's not wnae— grade race. okay, if that's not white supremacist, what is white supremacist, and what is if white supremacist, and what is m-golng— white supremacist, and what is m-golngllwlge- white supremacist, and what is if going judge every if we're going to judge every nleloneal— if we're going to judge every historical figure— if we're going to judge every historical figure on the worst llle— historical figure on the worst llle mew— historical figure on the worst bits they did? 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historical figure on the worst bits they did? \.~ live 2 bits they did? nelson mandela was nelson mandela was judging him. nelson mandela was judging him. nelson mandela was one of the world's top ten terrorists by the fbi. right. so but don't look at that bit. but we don't look at that bit. should we should we take the statue of mandela down? of course shouldn't. as course we shouldn't. we look, as mandela fantastic. the mandela did, fantastic. the truth. hang on. let him finish. let him finish, please. what i'm saying is especially— let him finish, please. what i'm saying is especially with- i �*" i what i'm saying is especially with the lamen— saying is especially with the british,-this- british, we have this self—flagellating self—hatred ana— self—flagellating self—hatred and l— self—flagellating self—hatred anl ll-mom— self—flagellating self—hatred and it from academia. it and it comes from academia. it comes from mainstream comes from the mainstream media. it comes from the mainstream media. n—ow— comes from the mainstream media. n—ow polllleal- it comes from our political laee— it comes from our political class, comes from every class, and it comes from every classroom .britain- class, and it comes from every classroom britain saying that classroom in britain saying that we-lovle— classroom in britain saying that we _toxic force _ classroom in britain saying that we toxic force because of we are a toxic force because of lnlnge— we are a toxic force because of lnlnge llle— we are a toxic force because of things like slavery. and you're ngnl— things like slavery. and you're right, reparations— right, reparations would be wooll— right, reparations would be. would—ridiculous right, reparations would be- would_ridiculous act would be the most ridiculous act of eell— would be the most ridiculous act of eell nam— would be the most ridiculous act of self harm this— would be the most ridiculous act of self harm this country philosophically , economically philosophically, economically cowl— philosophically, economically cowl eve— philosophically, economically cowl .— philosophically, economically could ever , ever— philosophically, economically could ever , ever come back. could ever, ever come back. i lam-l— could ever, ever come back. i lean hale— could ever, ever come back. i don't hate myself— could ever, ever come back. i don't hate myself and- could ever, ever come back. i don't hate myself and i am proud nobody said you do. no, no, no. but you were talking about self hatred . i don't hate myself. hatred. i don't hate myself. i don't hate my country. i'm incredibly proud of my country incredibly proud of my country in ways. what i'm not in many ways. but what i'm not going be is blind to the bad going to be is blind to the bad stuff we did. yes, we helped to aboush stuff we did. yes, we helped to abolish slavery. we were massive slave we slave dealers as well. yes, we defeated. but were a massive defeated. but we were a massive colonial well. or

colonial power as well. two or 3 or or many things can be true or 4 or many things can be true at the same time. that's true. wnao— at the same time. that's true. wnal ne— at the same time. that's true. wnal ne nae— at the same time. that's true. what he was saying.- t that's true. what he was saying. but that is mle.— what he was saying. but that is lme. lun— what he was saying. but that is lme. lw. lul— what he was saying. but that is true. but. but we— what he was saying. but that is true. but. but we are hanging on the true. but. but we are hanging on me language— true. but. but we are hanging on me language ol— true. but. but we are hanging on the language of the that the language of the day that we've used-we're- the language of the day that we've used we're bringing it we've used and we're bringing it moo— we've used and we're bringing it no mnem— we've used and we're bringing it into current-we're- into current day and we're judging— into current day and we're judginglbased- into current day and we're judging based that. so i judging it based on that. so i mml— judging it based on that. so i think there's— judging it based on that. so i think there's an— judging it based on that. so i think there's an issue that think there's an issue with that won— think there's an issue with that wan-me— think there's an issue with that with the reparations with regard to the reparations ana— with regard to the reparations and-wan— with regard to the reparations and-with regard- and also with regard to the leaenlng— and also with regard to the leaenlng ol— and also with regard to the teaching of because teaching of history, because wnao— teaching of history, because wnal-le- teaching of history, because wnal-le le- teaching of history, because what-is, is that. what the point is, is that lamen— what the point is, is that british people- what the point is, is that british people aren't really laugnl— british people aren't really taught properly, taught the history properly, wnen— taught the history properly, wnlen-people- taught the history properly,- which-people-really which is why people don't really unlevelanl— which is why people don't really understand they're understand. i believe they're mol— understand. i believe they're. nol—pvopevlw not taught the history properly and m— not taught the history properly and ln mw— not taught the history properly and ln mw on— not taught the history properly and in my own experience. so wnen— and in my own experience. so wnen l— and in my own experience. so wnen l wae— and in my own experience. so wnen l al— and in my own experience. so when i was at school, people were-on— when i was at school, people were-oh, well,- when i was at school, people were oh, well, basically were saying, oh, well, basically i were saying, oh, well, basically l—leen— were saying, oh, well, basically l—leen-sol i must have been a slave. so people— i must have been a slave. so people-because- i must have been a slave. so people because i'm i must have been a slave. so- people-because i'm black, people assume because i'm black, i a people assume because i'm black, l-a elave— people assume because i'm black, i-a slave. everyone- i must be a slave. everyone mmle— i must be a slave. everyone thinks—have- i must be a slave. everyone. thinks—have come thinks that i must have come mom— thinks that i must have come from .windrush- thinks that i must have come from .windrush or- thinks that i must have come from windrush or that i got from the windrush or that i got on a low— from the windrush or that i got on a loal ov— from the windrush or that i got on a boat or something to get neve— on a boat or something to get neve. ae— on a boat or something to get neve. ae m— on a boat or something to get neve. ae ln wou— on a boat or something to get here. as in, you know, i got on a llngnw— here. as in, you know, i got on a llngnw ov— here. as in, you know, i got on a dinghy or some— here. as in, you know, i got on a dinghy or some form of other legal— a dinghy or some form of other illegal transport.— a dinghy or some form of other illegal transport. don't illegal transport. so they don't unlevelanl— illegal transport. so they don't understand _the. understand that actually the ewe— understand that actually the elave-wae— understand that actually the slave was perpetrated by slave trade was perpetrated by manw—ael slave trade was perpetrated by. manwa—e well. many black slave owners as well. the—in— many black slave owners as well. the—in history- many black slave owners as well. the—in history is- the way it's set in history is the— the way it's set in history is the-people— the way it's set in history is the-people came- the way it's set in history is the people came in and the white people came in and took— the white people came in and took-africa.— the white people came in and took-africa. it— the white people came in and took africa. it wasn't like took over africa. it wasn't like that. — took over africa. it wasn't like that. n— took over africa. it wasn't like that. n was— took over africa. it wasn't like that. n .— took over africa. it wasn't like that. it was a trade, it was a busmsss — that. it was a trade, it was a business. and— that. it was a trade, it was a business. and at— that. it was a trade, it was a business. and at that time it legat— business. and at that time it aagaa ana— business. and at that time it was legal and was easy. was legal and it was easy. nobody-s— was legal and it was easy. nobody's-it's- was legal and it was easy. nobody's it's evil. let nobody's saying it's evil. let

me— nobody's saying it's evil. let ms-naaaay-s- me finish it. nobody's saying that— me finish it. nobody's saying shat—sas- me finish it. nobody's saying that—but the - me finish it. nobody's saying. that—but the point that it was good. but the point of that it was good. but the point as she— that it was good. but the point of the matter— that it was good. but the point of the matter is,— that it was good. but the point of the matter is, if we take it maa— of the matter is, if we take it into maa— of the matter is, if we take it into that context,— of the matter is, if we take it into that context, context at that— into that context, context at that aims— into that context, context at that same as— into that context, context at that time it was— into that context, context at that time it was legal. we've assessed,— that time it was legal. we've accepted,_thenl that time it was legal. we'vei accepted,_then to accepted, it's bad. so then to task— accepted, it's bad. so then to task-aa— accepted, it's bad. so then to task-as ana— accepted, it's bad. so then to look-it and say,- accepted, it's bad. so then to look it and say, we're look on it and say, we're going to-reparations_ look on it and say, we're going to reparations because to pay reparations now because we_yearsl to pay reparations now becausei weea—ws age we did something bad years ago where— we did something bad years ago where-wease— we did something bad years ago where-those-arel where none of those people are swu— where none of those people are sewn awe— where none of those people are still alive-it— where none of those people are still alive-it wasn't- still alive and it wasn't pewaewaaea— still alive and it wasn't perpetrated people perpetrated by any of the people whe— perpetrated by any of the people wee-w— perpetrated by any of the people wee-w wank— perpetrated by any of the people who-i think is- who live now, i think is a masseus— who live now, i think is a ludicrous thing. but i think. can— ludicrous thing. but i think. can ask that? i think, can i just ask that? i think, first all, reparations a first of all, reparations is a really difficult complicated really difficult and complicated thing. and not i'm certainly thing. and i'm not i'm certainly not not not i'm certainly not straightforwardly. i'm certainly not straightforwardly in favour of reparations. where does it start? where does it end? just on because on your point, because an important we important one on saying we shouldn't judge past by the shouldn't judge the past by the standards example, shouldn't judge the past by the stan evil s example, shouldn't judge the past by the stan evil s it's example, shouldn't judge the past by the stanevils it's evil example, shouldn't judge the past by the stanevil s it's evil now.nple, was evil then it's evil now. slave then it's evil slave was evil then it's evil now. nobody's saying that theyi were—language were talking about the language and were talking about the language awe—eae- were talking about the language awe—wee wawl were talking about the language| awe—wee waw w and the language and the way it was-eae— and the language and the way it was-wee waw— and the language and the way it was-the waylwas- and the language and the way it was the way was then. was then, the way it was then. these — was then, the way it was then. these—legat- was then, the way it was then.| these—legal. we've these things were legal. we've assessed— accepted that they're bad. we've gene— accepted that they're bad. we've gone—n0. accepted that they're bad. we'vei gene — we, we gone backwards and said, no, we sweeten-e— gone backwards and said, no, we shouldn't-that.- gone backwards and said, no, we shouldn't that. we'll shouldn't be doing that. we'll never—although never do that again. although swaweww— never do that again. although seaweww-wwggese- slavery is the biggest profession— profession probably right now, ana— and in this country, there's- mere—wane more slavery going on for white people— more slavery going on for white people-people- people to white people and all ewe—wa— people to white people and all over—in-yourl over the world. in fact, your whene— over the world. in fact, your passe-wastes- over the world. in fact, your phone, laptop and all the phone, your laptop and all the wanes— phone, your laptop and all the wanes these— phone, your laptop and all the things these wonderful electric saws—aw- cars are probably made by people whe— cars are probably made by people whose—- cars are probably made by people weserheh— way. i who are enslaved in some way. rhew-re— who are enslaved in some way. they're - hypocrites. - who are enslaved in some way. thewe _hypocrites.- who are enslaved in some way. thewe backwards s. who are enslaved in some way. thewe backwards when we

are we going backwards when we sheare— are we going backwards when we shearer—ar- should be looking forwards at whar— should be looking forwards at- whar—hewe what we're currently doing now? here— what we're currently doing now? here-mere.— what we're currently doing now? there-more. there— what we're currently doing now? there-more. there are- what we're currently doing now? there-more. there are more. there are more. there are more. we haven't there are we haven't learnt. there are more black people more slaves kept by black people today. the point. today. and that's the point. no one that. one cares about that. the so—called the anti so—called anti slave, the anti racist, that. racist, don't care about that. they would. no, they would rather look to the past to cause grievances today. this is what weare— grievances today. this is what we making— grievances today. this is what you're making-points- g” f : this is what you're making points on you're making good points on his— you're making good points on rhrslr— you're making good points on rhrslr maw— you're making good points on rhrslr haw saw— you're making good points on this, i may say for this, if i may say for reparations- this, if i may say for reparations today. you're both m.k..g_ reparations today. you're both making-perms- reparations today. you're both making-points in- reparations today. you're both making points in that . of making good points in that. of course, we should— making good points in that. of course, we should be absolutely agahsr— course, we should be absolutely agahsr anw— course, we should be absolutely against any form _ course, we should be absolutely against any form of slavery rhar-s— against any form of slavery was going— against any form of slavery that's going on— against any form of slavery that's going on today and we sheare— that's going on today and we shearer-hare— that's going on today and we should-hang on. - that's going on today and we should hang on. but look , should not hang on. but look, r-rh — should not hang on. but look, rm sawha— should not hang on. but look, i'm saying should be we i'm saying we should be we sheare— i'm saying we should be we should—like. should have a laser like focus of should have a laser like focus or whar-s— should have a laser like focus er whar-s garag— should have a laser like focus of what's going on in congo, on on of what's going on in congo, on ah are how— of what's going on in congo, on on on how our phones are made. ahserarerw. — on on how our phones are made. ahserarerw. wre— on on how our phones are made. absolutely. we should. it aeesh-r— absolutely. we should. it. doesn't—can't. doesn't mean that we can't. at rhe— doesn't mean that we can't. at rhe-rrrhe,— doesn't mean that we can't. at the-time, look- doesn't mean that we can't. at the-time, look at- doesn't mean that we can't. at the time, look at history , the same time, look at history, try the same time, look at history, rrwlrearh— the same time, look at history, try-learn-history. - the same time, look at history, try learn history. part try to learn from history. part of try to learn from history. part er gerrhg— try to learn from history. part of getting better— try to learn from history. part of getting better the present of getting better in the present is rearrang— of getting better in the present is learning from. _ of getting better in the present is learning from. 4:3. of getting better in the present is learning from. 43. : of getting better in the present is learning from. v/rzzr. : is learning from. you would say that. and that's so true. but sadly, all phones, sadly, we are all using phones, laptops wearing that laptops, wearing clothes that are slaves . so are probably made by slaves. so instead looking backwards, instead of looking backwards, i think at think we should look at what we're doing of we're currently doing instead of looking that we should be paying that is going to that for that. who is going to pay that for that. who is going to pay things that is pay for the things that who is going the people who going to pay the people who we've don't we've enslaved now? i don't know. it's not going to work

out. to looking out. so we need to start looking forward at what we're currently doing. you've doing. but let's see what you've been we've been been saying, because we've been talking things talking about lots of things throughout had throughout the show. i've had some read, they've some emails to read, but they've all gone , oh, all appeared to have gone, oh, never nobody told me, never mind, nobody told me, thank me thank you for telling me afterwards. i will listen. thank you my wonderful you so much to my wonderful panel panel, matthew stadlen, thank you be you very much. matthew will be back debate back for the next debate and also daubney, to see also martin daubney, good to see you will be back also martin daubney, good to see y0lthe will be back also martin daubney, good to see y0lthe next will be back also martin daubney, good to see y0lthe next debate will be back also martin daubney, good to see y0lthe next debate asll be back also martin daubney, good to see y0lthe next debate as well. 3ack also martin daubney, good to see y0lthe next debate as well. and for the next debate as well. and also, please stay tuned because we've more to come. we've got loads more to come. i have fantastic, amazing have a fantastic, amazing guest coming she'll be coming in at 5:00. she'll be live. wimbledon is coming up. so that's a clue. she a that's a clue. she was a superstar. tennis. won superstar. tennis. she won wimbledon who is she? wimbledon in 1977. who is she? we'll be talking to her at five. stay tuned .

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to gb news on tv, online and on digital radio . i'm nana akua. digital radio. i'm nana akua. for the next two hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headunes of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show of the big topics hitting the heallines right now. this show of the big topics hitting the heallines ri opinion. this show of the big topics hitting the heallines ri opinion. it'ss show of the big topics hitting the heallines ri opinion. it's mine, is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs, and of it's it's theirs, and of course it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing, we will discussing, and at times we will disagree, but will be disagree, but no one will be cancelled . so joining me today cancelled. so joining me today is broadcaster and journalist danny kelly and gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson . and before we get nelson. and before we get started , let's get your latest started, let's get your latest news headlines . good afternoon. news headlines. good afternoon. it's coming up to 4:02. i'm rehrahheh— it's coming up to 4:02. i'm rhiannon jones— it's coming up to 4:02. i'm rhiannon jones in the newsroom. the rhiannon jones in the newsroom. rhe rreheh— rhiannon jones in the newsroom. the french government will hold errsrs— the french government will hold errsrs rarws— the french government will hold crisis talks this— the french government will hold crisis talks this evening to address— crisis talks this evening to address the— crisis talks this evening to address the civil unrest after a freeh— address the civil unrest after a hrrh highe— address the civil unrest after a hrrh high er— address the civil unrest after a fifth night of riots . more than fifth night of riots. more than roo— fifth night of riots. more than roe peepre— fifth night of riots. more than 700 people were— fifth night of riots. more than 700 people were arrested across the 700 people were arrested across rhe eeahrrw— 700 people were arrested across the country overnight with tear gas used— the country overnight with tear gas used re— the country overnight with tear gas used to disperse crowds in rrarserue— gas used to disperse crowds in harserue .— gas used to disperse crowds in marseille . the— gas used to disperse crowds in marseille . the violence follows marseille. the violence follows the marseille. the violence follows rhe aearh— marseille. the violence follows rhe aearh er— marseille. the violence follows the death of teenager nahel merzouk— the death of teenager nahel merzouk who— the death of teenager nahel merzouk who was shot by police

on merzouk who was shot by police are raesaaw— merzouk who was shot by police are raesaaw h— merzouk who was shot by police on tuesday in the— merzouk who was shot by police on tuesday in the capital. there a huge— on tuesday in the capital. there was a huge police— on tuesday in the capital. there was a huge police presence prereers— was a huge police presence prereers rhe— was a huge police presence protects the champs elysee, the crews— protects the champs elysee, the crews regrehar— protects the champs elysee, the city's regional president, varerre— city's regional president, valerie pecresse , says security valerie pecresse, says security is being— valerie pecresse, says security is being boosted— valerie pecresse, says security is being boosted and she's eehhaehr— is being boosted and she's confident the— is being boosted and she's confident the order will be resrerea — confident the order will be resrerea . — confident the order will be restored . what's- confident the order will be restored . " g restored. what's happening is ultra violent by small groups of people that are very well organised and very well trained and they want to defy the republic and the republic will not yield and we will fight back . meanwhile, an attempted meanwhile, an attempted murder . meanwhile, an attempted murder hwesrrgarreh— . meanwhile, an attempted murder investigation has— meanwhile, an attempted murder investigation has been opened arrer— investigation has been opened are a— investigation has been opened after a mayor's— investigation has been opened after a mayor's home was ram raraea— after a mayor's home was ram raraea aha— after a mayor's home was ram aided and se— after a mayor's home was ram raided and set alight in a rarrsrah— raided and set alight in a parisian suburb. his wife and er— parisian suburb. his wife and er hrs— parisian suburb. his wife and one of his children were hurt. rreheh— one of his children were hurt. french journalist— one of his children were hurt. french journalist anthony andre saws— french journalist anthony andre saws rr-s— french journalist anthony andre saws as war— french journalist anthony andre says it's put more— french journalist anthony andre says it's put more pressure on rresraehr— says it's put more pressure on president emmanuel macron . president emmanuel macron. his family— president emmanuel macron. his family were— president emmanuel macron. his family were were— president emmanuel macron. his family were were attacked- president emmanuel macron. his family were were attacked in in his house during the night and his house during the night and his wife and his two children

are to left the house in emergency because there was fire in the house and this is what is very shocking thing this morning . and every every myers in france wants that the state and emmanuel macron take take a more more more measures to stop the chaos. well, more more measures to stop the chaos . well, some british chaos. well, some british rearrsrs— chaos. well, some british rearrsrs h— chaos. well, some british tourists in the— f well, some british tourists in the capital say that aesgrre— tourists in the capital say that aesgrre rhe— tourists in the capital say that despite the unrest, they do shu— despite the unrest, they do srru reer— despite the unrest, they do still feel safe.— despite the unrest, they do still feel safe. we checked out the still feel safe. we checked out he — still feel safe. we checked out he wre— still feel safe. we checked out the news. we think- still feel safe. we checked out the news. �*fw�*rz; c the news. we think it's absolutely fine. there's so many things going on in the world. if you to everything, you'd you listen to everything, you'd never travel. we've been to paris— never travel. we've been to rarrs-rr-s— never travel. we've been to paris-it's got- never travel. we've been to. paris - it's got - same paris before. it's got the same reer— paris before. it's got the same her-wea— paris before. it's got the same reer-wea earr- paris before. it's got the same feel-you can see- paris before. it's got the same feel you can see that feel about it. you can see that has— feel about it. you can see that has shu— feel about it. you can see that has saw a— feel about it. you can see that it's still a lovely— feel about it. you can see that it's still a lovely city. and, you— it's still a lovely city. and, was knew,— it's still a lovely city. and, was knew, we— it's still a lovely city. and, you know, we haven't come across anw— you know, we haven't come across ahw prehrehs— you know, we haven't come across ahw prehrerhs . — you know, we haven't come across ahw prehrerhs . rwa— you know, we haven't come across any problems . you know, we haven't come across any problems. two people have been killed and three are in a critical condition after a mass shooting in the us state of maryland. police say up to 30 people suffered gunshot wounds dunng people suffered gunshot wounds during the attack, which took place in the city of baltimore, where people had gathered for an

event called brooklyn day. nothing's yet known about the attacker or a possible motive . attacker or a possible motive. the us president will meet king charles and the prime minister when he visits the uk next week . buckingham palace has confirmed joe biden will visit windsor castle on the 10th of july. the white house says he's travelling to london to strengthen the close relationship between the nations. he'll then head to lithuania for the nato summit before heading on to finland . before heading on to finland. matt new measures to deal with disruptive demonstrations have come into force. they include expand added police powers to move on static or slow walking protests like those used by just stop oil. a criminal offence to tackle disruption in tunnels has also been introduced , carrying also been introduced, carrying jail terms of up to three years. critics say the laws threaten the right to protest . meanwhile, the right to protest. meanwhile, five just stop oil activists

have been charged with behaviour likely to cause harassment alarm or distress. they were arrested for disrupting london's pride. march yesterday. two others were released on bail pending further inquiries . the government says inquiries. the government says it's determined to stop migrant boats coming to britain, despite the legal setback. ministers are preparing to appeal a court decision which blocked the deportation of asylum seekers to rwanda. the health secretary, steve barclay, says if nothing is done to stop the boats, the costs could spiral. reaching up to £11 billion. think your viewers want the government to take action? that is what we're garag— take action? that is what we're doing were— take action? that is what we're doing. we're doing— take action? that is what we're doing. we're doing so- ec 7 that is what we're doing. we're doing so in a way rhar— doing. we're doing so in a way rhar shearrw— doing. we're doing so in a way that clearly complies with the regar— that clearly complies with the regar aess— that clearly complies with the legal process. but it's rhaerrahr— legal process. but it's important we now take this to the important we now take this to he swareme— important we now take this to the supreme court. the prime miniser— the supreme court. the prime rrhrsrer rhe— the supreme court. the prime minister, the home secretary are aererrhhea— minister, the home secretary are determined to— minister, the home secretary are determined to .the - minister, the home secretary are determined to the boats . determined to stop the boats. aha— determined to stop the boats. were re— determined to stop the boats. ara h we— determined to stop the boats. and if we don't,— determined to stop the boats. and if we don't, then there will be and if we don't, then there will he a— and if we don't, then there will he a huge— and if we don't, then there will he a huge sesa— and if we don't, then there will be a huge cost . _ and if we don't, then there will be a huge cost . �*fwr�*rzigc be a huge cost. well, barrister lord carlile says the proposal

is unlawful . the government is is unlawful. the government is not is unlawful. the government is her upholding— is unlawful. the government is not upholding the— is unlawful. the government is not upholding the law- i. the government is not upholding the law and shew-we— not upholding the law and they've approached this whole bill they've approached this whole hru h— they've approached this whole hru h a— they've approached this whole bill in a completely legally non—compliant— bill in a completely legally non—compliant way. bill in a completely legally non—compliant way . the basis of non—compliant way. the basis of his— non—compliant way. the basis of his hm— non—compliant way. the basis of his hru rs— non—compliant way. the basis of this bill is that— non—compliant way. the basis of this bill is that there is a safe— this bill is that there is a safe country— this bill is that there is a safe country or- this bill is that there is a safe country or safe countries to safe country or safe countries as serra— safe country or safe countries as seed refuge— safe country or safe countries to send refuge overseas to, but in ease— to send refuge overseas to, but in he rhew-re— to send refuge overseas to, but in fact they're only— to send refuge overseas to, but in fact they're only offering safe— in fact they're only offering one safe country, and that's rewahaa— one safe country, and that's rewahaa .— one safe country, and that's rewahaa . se— one safe country, and that's rwanda . so the— one safe country, and that's rwanda . so the proposal is in rwanda. so the proposal is in rarrers— rwanda. so the proposal is in rarrers .— rwanda. so the proposal is in rarrers . rr— rwanda. so the proposal is in tatters . it is— rwanda. so the proposal is in tatters . it is unlawful. it is tatters. it is unlawful. it is hearing— tatters. it is unlawful. it is wearing re— tatters. it is unlawful. it is leading to people being kept in sasreaw— leading to people being kept in sasreaw whea— leading to people being kept in custody when they should not be wear— custody when they should not be wear h— custody when they should not be wear in sasreaw— custody when they should not be kept in custody . _ custody when they should not be kept in custody . 'r: c kept in custody. and rail passengers are facing yet more disruption over the next week, aslef members at 16 train companies in england will refuse to work overtime , which to work overtime, which operators rely on to run their full timetable. the union says it's calling for fair pay, but the rail delivery group says aslef rejected its last offer of a £5,000 raise, which would bnng a £5,000 raise, which would bring the basic salary for drivers working a four day week to nearly £65,000. services will

be affected from monday through to saturday. this is gb news. we'll bring you more as it happens. now, though, it's back over to nana . over to nana. good over to nana.- . good afternoon. over to nana.— . good afternoon. welcome re nara.— . good afternoon. welcome on good afternoon. welcome on board. . good afternoon. welcome on heard. his— . good afternoon. welcome on heard. his rs— . good afternoon. welcome on board. this is gb— good afternoon. welcome on board. this is gb news. we are he— board. this is gb news. we are he reeare-s— board. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua.— the people's channel. i'm nana area. were— the people's channel. i'm nana akua. we're live— the people's channel. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv online are— akua. we're live on tv online and er— akua. we're live on tv online and on digital— akua. we're live on tv online and on digital radio. and it's rasr— and on digital radio. and it's fast approaching . eight minutes fast approaching. eight minutes are— fast approaching. eight minutes are hoe,— fast approaching. eight minutes after 4:00, britain is brewing. rhe— after 4:00, britain is brewing. rhe aerresr— after 4:00, britain is brewing. the perfect storm. now the harsh— the perfect storm. now the french system _ the perfect storm. now the french system is broken. gone is the french system is broken. gone is rhe wishes— french system is broken. gone is he wishes er— french system is broken. gone is the vision of france— french system is broken. gone is the vision of france as the areara— the vision of france as the areara er— the vision of france as the utopia of people riding bicycles and utopia of people riding bicycles are he— utopia of people riding bicycles and the caricature— utopia of people riding bicycles and the caricature of garlic and beers— and the caricature of garlic and beers wrrh— and the caricature of garlic and berets with the _ and the caricature of garlic and berets with the eiffel tower in the background.— berets with the eiffel tower in the background. and that deeply rrehsh— the background. and that deeply french musical— the background. and that deeply french musical sound characterised by the melody of the accordion.— characterised by the melody of the accordion. the— characterised by the melody of the accordion. the things that gave— the accordion. the things that gave rrahse— the accordion. the things that gave france its— the accordion. the things that gave france its unique identity. seme— gave france its unique identity. same weara— gave france its unique identity. some would maybe call this a srereerwae— some would maybe call this a srereerwae .— some would maybe call this a stereotype . alongside that, the stereotype. alongside that, the harsh — stereotype. alongside that, the french were also— stereotype. alongside that, the french were also very famed for

her— french were also very famed for her ahrhrw— french were also very famed for their ability to— french were also very famed for their ability to protest. but whar— their ability to protest. but whar we-we— their ability to protest. but what we've seen and been wrrhesshg— what we've seen and been wrrhesshg eh— what we've seen and been witnessing on its streets over he— witnessing on its streets over he has— witnessing on its streets over he rasr rew— witnessing on its streets over the last few days— witnessing on its streets over the last few days is another sewer. — the last few days is another sewer. aha— the last few days is another level. and it— the last few days is another level. and it transcends the wiring— level. and it transcends the huhg er— level. and it transcends the killing of nihal,_ level. and it transcends the killing of nihal, the young seven year old _ killing of nihal, the young seven year old of algerian aessehr— seven year old of algerian aessehr .— seven year old of algerian descent , shot— seven year old of algerian descent , shot at point blank descent, shot at point blank range— descent, shot at point blank rahge .— descent, shot at point blank rahge . wow,— descent, shot at point blank range . now, whilst this appears range. now, whilst this appears to range. now, whilst this appears as have— range. now, whilst this appears as have been— range. now, whilst this appears to have been the— range. now, whilst this appears to have been the catalyst, it has— to have been the catalyst, it has ewaesea— to have been the catalyst, it has exposed the— to have been the catalyst, it has exposed the deeply held anger— has exposed the deeply held ahger wrrhh— has exposed the deeply held anger within france itself. it weara— anger within france itself. it wears seem— anger within france itself. it would seem the— anger within france itself. it would seem the social cohesion rhar— would seem the social cohesion rhar manw— would seem the social cohesion rhar manw reek— would seem the social cohesion that many took for— would seem the social cohesion that many took for granted has ewaaerarea— that many took for granted has ewaaerarea .— that many took for granted has evaporated . some say evaporated. some say uncontrolled- evaporated. some say uncontrolled immigration is to bag...— uncontrolled immigration is to blame alongside— uncontrolled immigration is to blame alongside the behaviour of the blame alongside the behaviour of he aehse— blame alongside the behaviour of the police towards— blame alongside the behaviour of the police towards those of rhhrgrahr— the police towards those of immigrant backgrounds. others say immigrant backgrounds. others saw a— immigrant backgrounds. others saw a read— immigrant backgrounds. others saw a read er— immigrant backgrounds. others say a load of people have jumped on say a load of people have jumped are he— say a load of people have jumped on the bandwagon— say a load of people have jumped on the bandwagon and seized on this on the bandwagon and seized on his eaaerrahrrw— on the bandwagon and seized on this opportunity to _ on the bandwagon and seized on this opportunity to bag a free tv this opportunity to bag a free rv aha— this opportunity to bag a free rv and rear— this opportunity to bag a free tv and loot a— this opportunity to bag a free tv and loot a load of stores. rrahse— tv and loot a load of stores. rrahse rs— tv and loot a load of stores. france is broken— tv and loot a load of stores. france is broken and as much as people— france is broken and as much as people warr— france is broken and as much as people wahr re— france is broken and as much as people want to deny a migration ehemerrh— people want to deny a migration gagmgng, r— people want to deny a migration ererhehr, r heg— people want to deny a migration element, i beg to— people want to deny a migration element, i beg to differ. i hehewe— element, i beg to differ. i believe that— element, i beg to differ. i believe that it— element, i beg to differ. i believe that it is actually at he— believe that it is actually at he sere— believe that it is actually at he h— believe that it is actually at the core, in my— believe that it is actually at the core, in my view , people the core, in my view, people her— the core, in my view, people riot because _ the core, in my view, people riot because of— the core, in my view, people riot because of a— the core, in my view, people riot because of a perceived hiashse— riot because of a perceived injustice, usually involving a rhherrrw— injustice, usually involving a rhherrrw aha— injustice, usually involving a minority and the injustice is arrea— minority and the injustice is seen only— minority and the injustice is often only the— minority and the injustice is often only the tip of the

rseherg— often only the tip of the rseherg .— often only the tip of the iceberg . taoiseach castle went iceberg. taoiseach castle went hash— iceberg. taoiseach castle went hash re— iceberg. taoiseach castle went hash he he— iceberg. taoiseach castle went back to the shooting of mark haggar— back to the shooting of mark haggah h— back to the shooting of mark duggan in august in 2011. the rearehharh— duggan in august in 2011. the tottenham riots.— duggan in august in 2011. the tottenham riots. at the heart of it tottenham riots. at the heart of h was— tottenham riots. at the heart of h a— tottenham riots. at the heart of it was a perceived— tottenham riots. at the heart of it was a perceived injustice. whea— it was a perceived injustice. whee green— it was a perceived injustice. wood green shopping city was rarsashesh— wood green shopping city was ransacked, riots— wood green shopping city was ransacked, riots sprang up in wolverhampton,— ransacked, riots sprang up in wolverhampton, birmingham, sraaham— wolverhampton, birmingham, shaahah .— wolverhampton, birmingham, shaaharh .ah— wolverhampton, birmingham, clapham . all over the country clapham. all over the country aeeahe— clapham. all over the country people wee— clapham. all over the country people were rioting . remember people were rioting. remember the people were rioting. remember rhe swash— people were rioting. remember the black-matter- people were rioting. remember the black matter movement the black lives matter movement whrhsr— the black lives matter movement whhsr rhew— the black lives matter movement whilst they turned _ the black lives matter movement whilst they turned out to be a harsh— whilst they turned out to be a harsh er— whilst they turned out to be a bunch of fraudsters exploiting whrre— bunch of fraudsters exploiting whee—rhes- bunch of fraudsters exploiting white - riots that - white guilt? the riots that ensued— white guilt? the riots that- ensued—based white guilt? the riots that- ensued_based on ensued in america were based on whar— ensued in america were based on whar was— ensued in america were based on whar seer— ensued in america were based on what was seen as— ensued in america were based on what was seen as an— ensued in america were based on what was seen as an injustice . what was seen as an injustice. rhar— what was seen as an injustice. that injustice— what was seen as an injustice. that injustice is— what was seen as an injustice. that injustice is all the more hwehw— that injustice is all the more hherw re— that injustice is all the more hwerw re sawh— that injustice is all the more likely to spill out into a riot. wherr— likely to spill out into a riot. where aeeahe— likely to spill out into a riot. when people believe that they ash-r— when people believe that they ash-r have— when people believe that they ash-r have a— when people believe that they don't have a stake in society , don't have a stake in society, vou— don't have a stake in society, was ash-r— don't have a stake in society, was ash-r ash— don't have a stake in society, you don't risk it— don't have a stake in society, you don't risk it all by rioting . rr— you don't risk it all by rioting . rr wea— you don't risk it all by rioting . r war have— you don't risk it all by rioting . if you havellot_ you don't risk it all by rioting . if you have lot to lose. . if you have a lot to lose. warra— . if you have a lot to lose. waha was— . if you have a lot to lose. nana was buried yesterday and whrhsr— nana was buried yesterday and whhsr rhe— nana was buried yesterday and whilst the funeral passed aeaserahw— whilst the funeral passed aeaserahw .— whilst the funeral passed peacefully , there was anger at peacefully, there was anger at whar— peacefully, there was anger at whar manw— peacefully, there was anger at what many call— peacefully, there was anger at what many call endemic police racism. protesters— what many call endemic police racism. protesters say his hhhg— racism. protesters say his hhrhg was— racism. protesters say his killing was typical of the heavy hahaea— killing was typical of the heavy handed approach.— killing was typical of the heavy handed approach. the police used rewards— handed approach. the police used rewards rhese— handed approach. the police used towards those living in france's aearrwea— towards those living in france's deprived black— towards those living in france's deprived black and north african sermmarrrres— deprived black and north african communities. and— deprived black and north african communities. and the anger shows no communities. and the anger shows me sigm— communities. and the anger shows no sign er— communities. and the anger shows no sign of abating._ communities. and the anger shows no sign of abating. last night, rremsh— no sign of abating. last night, rremsh aehse— no sign of abating. last night, french police were ambushed by rhrers— french police were ambushed by rhrers ama— french police were ambushed by rioters and special—

french police were ambushed by rioters and special forces were sem— rioters and special forces were sem re— rioters and special forces were sem re ream— rioters and special forces were sem re ream .— rioters and special forces were sent to leon . and— rioters and special forces were sent to leon . and so far, sent to leon. and so far, hammers— sent to leon. and so far, hundreds of— sent to leon. and so far, hundreds of officers have been rag-area— hundreds of officers have been rag-area ama— hundreds of officers have been injured and over— hundreds of officers have been injured and over 700 businesses ramsaswea— injured and over 700 businesses ramsaswea er— injured and over 700 businesses ransacked or burnt— injured and over 700 businesses ransacked or burnt down, with mam— ransacked or burnt down, with more than 1000— ransacked or burnt down, with more than 1000 arrests. it's a werrwhg— more than 1000 arrests. it's a werrwmg sigm— more than 1000 arrests. it's a worrying sign and— more than 1000 arrests. it's a worrying sign and we cannot sit ama— worrying sign and we cannot sit and wash— worrying sign and we cannot sit and watch complacently. britain is hrewhg— and watch complacently. britain is hrewhg rhe— and watch complacently. britain is brewing the perfect storm. we meee— is brewing the perfect storm. we need re— is brewing the perfect storm. we need as ger— is brewing the perfect storm. we need as ger a— is brewing the perfect storm. we need to get a handle on our own rmmrgrarhm— need to get a handle on our own immigration situation. we cannot semhae— immigration situation. we cannot semhae re— immigration situation. we cannot continue to house— immigration situation. we cannot continue to house people indefinitely— continue to house people indefinitely for years whilst we asess— indefinitely for years whilst we asess rhea— indefinitely for years whilst we process their claims. it's unacceptable. - process their claims. it's unacceptable. we absolutely need to unacceptable. we absolutely need re sha— unacceptable. we absolutely need as srea rhe— unacceptable. we absolutely need to stop the boats— unacceptable. we absolutely need to stop the boats because the shear— to stop the boats because the social cohesion _ to stop the boats because the social cohesion in— to stop the boats because the social cohesion in this country is ar— social cohesion in this country is ar seawe- — social cohesion in this country is at stake. when— social cohesion in this country is at stake. when people feel disenfranchised,— is at stake. when people feel disenfranchised, anger builds . disenfranchised, anger builds. ama— disenfranchised, anger builds. ame whe— disenfranchised, anger builds. and who would— disenfranchised, anger builds. and who would blame british aeeahe— and who would blame british people rer— and who would blame british people for getting angry they people for getting angry if they feel people for getting angry if they fees-reeds— people for getting angry if they feel-needs are— people for getting angry if they feel needs are not feel their needs are not a arrerrrwe— feel their needs are not a priority? and— feel their needs are not a priority? and who would blame a genuine— priority? and who would blame a gemame aswham— priority? and who would blame a genuine asylum seeker getting amgrw— genuine asylum seeker getting amgrw-rherr— genuine asylum seeker getting angry-their claim - genuine asylum seeker getting angry their claim is taking angry when their claim is taking wears— angry when their claim is taking wears re— angry when their claim is taking years to process?— angry when their claim is taking years to process? and who would hhame— years to process? and who would hhame rhe— years to process? and who would blame the taxpayers of this seamrw— blame the taxpayers of this country seeing— blame the taxpayers of this country seeing money country seeing their money being sgaamaerea— country seeing their money being squandered schemes squandered on pointless schemes to squandered on pointless schemes as gaeh— squandered on pointless schemes to quell-situation— squandered on pointless schemes to quell-situation ?- squandered on pointless schemes to quell situation ? those to quell the situation? those mwehea— to quell the situation? those hwehea h— to quell the situation? those involved in rioting are usually rhese— involved in rioting are usually rhese whe— involved in rioting are usually those who feel— involved in rioting are usually those who feel disenfranchised by those who feel disenfranchised hw sesrerw. — those who feel disenfranchised hw sesrerw. rhe— those who feel disenfranchised by society. the world needs to work— by society. the world needs to work together— by society. the world needs to work together to _ by society. the world needs to work together to solve this arehrem — work together to solve this arehrem .— work together to solve this problem , and— work together to solve this problem , and what we are seeing problem, and what we are seeing in problem, and what we are seeing h-rs— problem, and what we are seeing m-rs only— problem, and what we are seeing m-rs emhw rhe— problem, and what we are seeing in-is only the tip- problem, and what we are seeing

in-is only the tip of- in france is only the tip of a graha— in france is only the tip of a global iceberg— in france is only the tip of a global iceberg .— in france is only the tip of a global iceberg . before we get global iceberg. before we get seash— global iceberg. before we get srasw rme— global iceberg. before we get stuck into the— global iceberg. before we get stuck into the debate, here's whar— stuck into the debate, here's whar erse— stuck into the debate, here's whar ehse rs— stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today. rhe— what else is coming up today. he sear— what else is coming up today. the great british— what else is coming up today. the great british debate this hear.— the great british debate this hour rm— the great british debate this hour. i'm asking,— the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, would you be happy—in- hour. i'm asking, would you bei haaaw—h-hash happy with a pylon in your back warhe— happy with a pylon in your back warae r— happy with a pylon in your back warae r ash-r— happy with a pylon in your back yard? i don't-so.- happy with a pylon in your back yard? i don't so. not yard? i don't think so. not a pylori— yard? i don't think so. not a pylonr mer— yard? i don't think so. not a pylonr her he— yard? i don't think so. not a pylon, not the media pylon, not the social media wha— pylon, not the social media wha- rhe— pylon, not the social media kind. the government planning kind. the government is planning to kind. the government is planning re agg— kind. the government is planning he he mash— kind. the government is planning to fast track planning applications to fast track planning app|pylonss to fast track planning app|pylons so britain can reach and pylons so britain can reach net and pylons so britain can reach her ere— and pylons so britain can reach her hw— and pylons so britain can reach net zero by 2050. _ and pylons so britain can reach net zero by 2050. but can you imagine— net zero by 2050. but can you imagine eme— net zero by 2050. but can you imagine one of— net zero by 2050. but can you imagine one of these monstrous shares— imagine one of these monstrous srrres h— imagine one of these monstrous shares in wear— imagine one of these monstrous cities in your backyard, their ewesres— cities in your backyard, their eyesores? and— cities in your backyard, their eyesores? and then at 450, it's werhawrew. — eyesores? and then at 450, it's worldview. i'll— eyesores? and then at 450, it's worldview. i'll be— eyesores? and then at 450, it's worldview. i'll be joined by russian— worldview. i'll be joined by russian journalist alexei maes— russian journalist alexei ervier, live— russian journalist alexei ervier, live from red square to ghe— ervier, live from red square to give as— ervier, live from red square to give as he— ervier, live from red square to give us the latest— ervier, live from red square to give us the latest update on russia— give us the latest update on russia, including reports that the russia, including reports that me wremhm— russia, including reports that the kremlin have cancelled a major— the kremlin have cancelled a maisr ewesr— the kremlin have cancelled a major event over— the kremlin have cancelled a major event over security concerns following last week's ss—sahes — concerns following last week's so—called mutiny.— concerns following last week's so—called mutiny. and then it's rime— so—called mutiny. and then it's rime rer— so—called mutiny. and then it's rime her his— so—called mutiny. and then it's time for this week's outside wsw. — time for this week's outside wsw. rhis— time for this week's outside now. this week's mystery guest is a— now. this week's mystery guest is a remis— now. this week's mystery guest is a tennis icon— now. this week's mystery guest is a tennis icon whose career has— is a tennis icon whose career has saames— is a tennis icon whose career has saames ze— is a tennis icon whose career has spanned 26 years. she's also rmee— has spanned 26 years. she's also won three major— has spanned 26 years. she's also won three major grand slams . can won three major grand slams. can you won three major grand slams. can wsa gaess— won three major grand slams. can wsa gaess whe— won three major grand slams. can you guess who she— won three major grand slams. can you guess who she might be? ihai-s— you guess who she might be? ihai-s ssmimg— you guess who she might be? that's coming up— you guess who she might be? that's coming up in the next hsar— that's coming up in the next hsar. ieii— that's coming up in the next hour. tell me—

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i'm going to— where should we go with this one then? i'm going to start with you,— then? i'm going to start with your wigeh— then? i'm going to start with you, nigel, then— then? i'm going to start with you, nigel, then your views. owaw. — you, nigel, then your views. owaw. wieih— you, nigel, then your views. okay. well, we've been seeing the okay. well, we've been seeing rhe—heem- okay. well, we've been seeing| the _ been watching okay. well, we've been seeing the is been watching okay. well, we've been seeing the is thoughtsching okay. well, we've been seeing the is thoughts onig it. what is your thoughts on mise— it. what is your thoughts on miss-have- it. what is your thoughts on. this?-have something it. what is your thoughts on- this?-have something to this? so do we have something to wsrrw— this? so do we have something to worry—vesi- this? so do we have something to worry—yes, actually,| worry about here? yes, actually, we worry about here? yes, actually, w—eerw- worry about here? yes, actually, w—eerw wsrsi we do. i agree with every word of we do. i agree with every word si-amaiwsis— we do. i agree with every word of-analysis there. - of your analysis there. i ihsaghi— of your analysis there. i thought really of your analysis there. i thought-really that thought it was really good that has— thought it was really good that mar-were— thought it was really good that that-were several- thought it was really good that that were several things that there were several things in that there were several things im rramse— that there were several things in france - are _ that there were several things in france are worse than in france that are worse than hriiaim— in france that are worse than hriiaimlisr— in france that are worse than britain..for a— in france that are worse than britain. for a start, britain. so for a start, migrarism— britain. so for a start, migration-a- britain. so for a start, migration a much bigger migration is a much bigger arshiem— migration is a much bigger problem _than- migration is a much bigger problem than it is problem in france than it is here.— problem in france than it is here. ss— problem in france than it is here. so you're— problem in france than it is here. so you're talking about 7 miiiism— here. so you're talking about 7 million migrant,— here. so you're talking about 7 million migrant, 1— here. so you're talking about 7 million migrant, 1 in 10 of the asaaiaiism— million migrant, 1 in 10 of the asaaiarism ss— million migrant, 1 in 10 of the population. so that starts, seams— population. so that starts, siaris rhe— population. so that starts, starts the problem, the racism in starts the problem, the racism im rhe— starts the problem, the racism is she asiise— starts the problem, the racism in the police. they've not assesses— in the police. they've not addressed in— in the police. they've not addressed in way that we've addressed in a way that we've heem— addressed in a way that we've heem rrwimg— addressed in a way that we've heem swing is— addressed in a way that we've been trying to address it here. irshiem — been trying to address it here. problem number— been trying to address it here. problem number two and obviously we shew-re—

problem number two and obviously we rhew-re hims— problem number two and obviously we they're kind of— problem number two and obviously we they're kind of stop and sheer— we they're kind of stop and sheer asiisw— we they're kind of stop and shoot policy that a record she— shoot policy that a record he si— shoot policy that a record number of 13— shoot policy that a record number of 13 deaths under it hass— number of 13 deaths under it he wear— number of 13 deaths under it he wear .— number of 13 deaths under it last year . that's— number of 13 deaths under it last year . that's got to be last year. that's got to be assesses— last year. that's got to be addressed .— last year. that's got to be addressed . obviously, over addressed. obviously, over here.— addressed. obviously, over here. wie— addressed. obviously, over there. we don't— addressed. obviously, over there. we don't have that. you mesrisses— there. we don't have that. you mentioned mark— there. we don't have that. you mentioned mark duggan. well, of mere— mentioned mark duggan. well, of course, there was— mentioned mark duggan. well, of course, there was 12— mentioned mark duggan. well, of course, there was 12 years ago. yeah,— course, there was 12 years ago. yeah-mees— course, there was 12 years ago. yeah,-there's-last- yeah, but there's the last time we-we-ihai— yeah, but there's the last time we've .that kind - yeah, but there's the last time we've-that kind of- yeah, but there's the last time we've that kind of a similar we've had that kind of a similar siiaaiiss— we've had that kind of a similar situation taking— we've had that kind of a similar situation taking place in this ssasirw— situation taking place in this ssasirw. ss— situation taking place in this ssasrrw. ss wes— situation taking place in this country. so yes, i— situation taking place in this country. so yes, i think we've got— country. so yes, i think we've gsi a— country. so yes, i think we've gsi a iss— country. so yes, i think we've gsr a he si— country. so yes, i think we've got a lot of lessons to learn mere.— got a lot of lessons to learn here. he— got a lot of lessons to learn there. be thankful britain is siighiiw— there. be thankful britain is slightly better— there. be thankful britain is slightly better than france in shar— slightly better than france in ma resaesi. — slightly better than france in that respect. but there is a sasger— that respect. but there is a sasger rhisgs— that respect. but there is a danger things like that could saiii— danger things like that could saiii se— danger things like that could spill over here. _ danger things like that could spill over here. jamar danger things like that could spill over here. jffl spill over here. danny, i'm not convinced or i haven't been persuaded entirely that the french police are endemically racist. a french cop would arshahiw— racist. a french cop would arshahiw saw— racist. a french cop would probably say the - ”pit a french cop would probably say the reason that shew— probably say the reason that rhew haves-r— probably say the reason that they haven't they have to patrol ihsse— they haven't they have to patrol ihsse aas— they haven't they have to patrol those areas is— they haven't they have to patrol those areas is because it's sashes— those areas is because it's riddled with— those areas is because it's riddled with crime . now, you riddled with crime. now, you sears— riddled with crime. now, you sears-shar— riddled with crime. now, you could _that are - riddled with crime. now, you could that are they being could argue that are they being rasisi— could argue that are they being rasisi-ihai— could argue that are they being racist that approach? or racist with that approach? or he— racist with that approach? or she—weir, the coppers would say, well, resh— the coppers would say, well, issh we-we— the coppers would say, well, look, we've got— the coppers would say, well, look, we've got to be there hesse— look, we've got to be there because—all. look, we've got to be there. because _ all the because that's where all the srime— crime is generally speaking. now this crime is generally speaking. now rhis—saisr- crime is generally speaking. now this—saint driving. this lad was no no saint driving in. this lad was no no saint driving is. i— this lad was no no saint driving is. i was— this lad was no no saint driving in. i was listening— this lad was no no saint driving in. i was listening to martin. i assi— in. i was listening to martin. i wass-i—ihis- in. i was listening to martin. ii wasn't—this-had wasn't aware that this kid had a rap wasn't aware that this kid had a raa-as— wasn't aware that this kid had a raa-as issg— wasn't aware that this kid had a raa-as issg as— wasn't aware that this kid had a rap-as long as your- rap sheet as long as your arm, it rap sheet as long as your arm, ii asess-r— rap sheet as long as your arm, it doesn't anything . but it doesn't justify anything. but whar— it doesn't justify anything. but whai-ssri—

it doesn't justify anything. but whai-ssri si— it doesn't justify anything. but what sort of what that what that did sort of what that maae— what that did sort of what that made me— what that did sort of what that made me think— what that did sort of what that made me think was, was was was hsw— made me think was, was was was hsw rhe— made me think was, was was was hsw rhe asiise— made me think was, was was was how the police were _ made me think was, was was was how the police were aggressive rewards— how the police were aggressive iswarss him. — how the police were aggressive towards him. forget the gun. ihai-s— towards him. forget the gun. that's inexcusable. forget the shssrisg— that's inexcusable. forget the shssrisg .— that's inexcusable. forget the shssrisg . im— that's inexcusable. forget the shooting . i'm just talking about shooting. i'm just talking about the shooting. i'm just talking about ahe-siiisers— shooting. i'm just talking about the officers approach. the police officers approach. agais— the police officers approach. agais he— the police officers approach. again he shouldn't have been shes— again he shouldn't have been shsr, har— again he shouldn't have been shot, but maybe— again he shouldn't have been shot, but maybe if you have someone with— shot, but maybe if you have someone with a— shot, but maybe if you have someone with a rap sheet as long as wear— someone with a rap sheet as long as wsar ass— someone with a rap sheet as long as your arm and he's known to she— as your arm and he's known to she asiise— as your arm and he's known to the police, that's— as your arm and he's known to the police, that's maybe why the asiise—hash- the police, that's maybe why the police _ back foot. i police were on the back foot. ass— police were on the back foot.| ass—isms and again, please don't don't for and again, please don't don't isr sse— and again, please don't don't for one second— and again, please don't don't for one second believe that. i'm irwisg— for one second believe that. i'm irwisg-whai- for one second believe that. i'm trying what actually trying to excuse what actually haaaesesi— trying to excuse what actually haaaeses. ss— trying to excuse what actually happened. so there's nothing mai— happened. so there's nothing ihai-ihai- happened. so there's nothing that-that proves. happened. so there's nothing that that proves that that i can see that proves that she— that i can see that proves that she rremsh— that i can see that proves that the french police— that i can see that proves that the french police are racist . the french police are racist. is the french police are racist. is is— the french police are racist. is is gsisg— the french police are racist. is is gsisg is— the french police are racist. is it going to not— the french police are racist. is it going to not not- the french police are racist. is it going to not not the. the french police are racist. is it going to not not the fact that they shot him at point blank obviously , he blank range, obviously, he clearly hadn't done anything in terms of an aggressive manner to look like he was going to do anything doesn't the anything that doesn't mean the whole racist. we're whole force is racist. we're talking about— whole force is racist. we're talking about one.- i ”pi we're talking about one. maybe we're iasr—rsw. just talking about one row, wee— just talking about one row, wsae-har- just talking about one row,- you're-but-people you're saying. but the people are so the funeral, are saying so at the funeral, there real anger. they there was a real anger. they were it's endemic, were saying that it's endemic, it's within because it's within the force because there's dislike of the there's just this dislike of the whole situation whole immigration situation that's happened. there has been a resem— that's happened. there has been a resem-is— that's happened. there has been a recent-in france- that's happened. there has been a recent-in france by- a recent study in france by a rremsh—wesil french journalist who went undercover police

french journalist who went- undercover-police and undercover with the police and hash— undercover with the police and came back with— undercover with the police and came back with the with the semis— came back with the with the verdict that— came back with the with the verdict that they— came back with the with the verdict that they were instituting _ verdict that they were instituting . verdict that they were instituting. will verdict that they were instituting . will verdict that they were - instituting . well, that's just instituting. well, that's just one reporter's experience , isn't one reporter's experience, isn't it? i mean, it's not a massive study against all 45,000 coppers in france, but parking that to one side, can it spread over to you?i one side, can it spread over to you? i don't think i don't think that it's right to conflate what's in france at what's happening in france at the potential the moment with the potential of like a summer of well, because i don't think there's any evidence we haven't seen massive if you like, ghettos in city centres or on the outskirts of city centres. but my point is are currently being harassed by the cops and, and having, having having like that having incidents like that caught film. but my point is caught on film. but my point is that we need to get handle on that we need to get a handle on this. we to get hold of this. we need to get a hold of she— this. we need to get a hold of the situation _ this. we need to get a hold of the situation that— we need to get a hold of the situation that we're in hesse— the situation that we're in because-nigel- the situation that we're in because nigel pointed out, because as as nigel pointed out, shew— because as as nigel pointed out,| ihew—immigrasi they have a very large immigrant asaaiaiiss— they have a very large immigrant asaaiaiiss-has- they have a very large immigrant population has probably population and that has probably asgeres—ihew-rei angered a lot of people. they're iiwisg— angered a lot of people. they're iiwisg-simaiw— angered a lot of people. they're living simply because living their simply because the hash— living their simply because the lack-cohesion— living their simply because the lack-cohesion and- living their simply because the lack cohesion and i'm saying lack of cohesion and i'm saying shar— lack of cohesion and i'm saying rharlierms— lack of cohesion and i'm saying that-terms-own- that in terms of our own immigration— that in terms of our own immigration there that in terms of our own- immigration-there are immigration policy, there are too-elements- immigration policy, there are too elements that are going too many elements that are going too many elements that are going is-asgeres— too many elements that are going rs-asgeres hw— too many elements that are going to angered by situation. to get angered by the situation. rhe— to get angered by the situation. the—themselves- to get angered by the situation. the _themselves ori to get angered by the situation.- the _themselves or the the immigrants themselves or the aswiam—heisgi asylum seekers themselves being hsases—iihel housed for years in things like armw—

housed for years in things like army barracks— housed for years in things like army barracks and so on and so isms.— army barracks and so on and so isrih. ihai-s— army barracks and so on and so forth. that's you— army barracks and so on and so forth. that's you know, really serisasiw— forth. that's you know, really serisasiw, wsa— forth. that's you know, really seriously, you can't this cannot be seriously, you can't this cannot he she— seriously, you can't this cannot he she waw— seriously, you can't this cannot he she waw shew— seriously, you can't this cannot be the way they move forward. ihai-s— be the way they move forward. ihai-s-rhar-s— be the way they move forward. that's-that's-i'm- that's why that's what i'm sawisg. — that's why that's what i'm saying. _there'sl that's why that's what i'm . saying. _there's other saying. and then there's other eiemesis— saying. and then there's other elements—the. elements. so you've got the aesaie—iiwe elements. so you've got the. aesaie—iiwe is people themselves who live in rhese— people themselves who live in ihese aas— people themselves who live in these areas-are- people themselves who live in these areas are getting these areas who are getting amgrw— these areas who are getting asgrw—rhar- angry at the fact that their areas infiltrated areas are being infiltrated by aesaie— areas are being infiltrated by aesaie-ssme- areas are being infiltrated by people come here. in people who've come here. in a waw— people who've come here. in a ways a— people who've come here. in a ways a iss— people who've come here. in a waw, a he si— people who've come here. in a way, a lot of them— people who've come here. in a way, a lot of them are via sisghw— way, a lot of them are via sisghw ass— way, a lot of them are via dinghy and they're not happy wish— dinghy and they're not happy wish-rhes- dinghy and they're not happyi with _then .course, with that. and then of course, here— with that. and then of course, rhere-whs - with that. and then of course, there _who are - with that. and then of course, there _who are not. there are those who are not heisg—ihis- being prioritised in this ssasirw— being prioritised in this country. proven being prioritised in this- country.-proven that country. and it's proven that asiaaiiw— country. and it's proven that asiaaiiw ii— country. and it's proven that actually if you _ country. and it's proven that actually if you are coming here by actually if you are coming here bi_t0- by dinghy, you're going to be hsasesi— housed, you're going to be heiaes. — housed, you're going to be heiaes. _isil housed, you're going to be helped. _lot of| helped. there are a lot of hsmeiess— helped. there are a lot of homeless-lot. helped. there are a lot ofi homeless-lot of helped. there are a lot of- homeless-lot of people homeless people, a lot of people whs— homeless people, a lot of people whs-armw— homeless people, a lot of people whs-armw-assi who are ex army soldiers and aesaie— who are ex army soldiers and aesaie-whs-ssii people like that who are not heisg—i-m- people like that who are not. heisg—i-m sawisg people like that who are not. beinwe_|'m saying people like that who are not bein we are i'm saying people like that who are not bein we are creatingi'm saying people like that who are not bein we are creating an saying people like that who are not bein we are creating a melting that we are creating a melting pot that we are creating a melting ass-ass— that we are creating a melting ass-ass we- that we are creating a melting pot-and we have- that we are creating a melting pot and we have to be pot of anger and we have to be sareiai—aal careful that we don't end up saiiiisg— careful that we don't end up saiiiisg-isis- spilling into over into wissessei— spilling into over into violence,-is- spilling into over into violence, is what spilling into over into. violence,-is what i spilling into over into- violence,-is what i think violence, which is what i think mighr— violence, which is what i think mighr haaaes. — violence, which is what i think might happen. and that's one of the why it's really the reasons why it's really important. about important. forget about rwanda or you've or any of those gimmicks. you've got up those those got to speed up those those asylum applications . you've got asylum applications. you've got to clear the backlog. you've got to clear the backlog. you've got to find a way of people being able to apply outside the country asylum , um, safe country for asylum, um, safe routes here. just simply routes to get here. just simply dampen whole problem down dampen the whole problem down because getting is because what you're getting is silos people in different silos of people in different areas integrated .

areas that aren't integrated. so people in this , in so silo of people in this, in his— so silo of people in this, in his armw— so silo of people in this, in this army barracks, a silo of aesaie— this army barracks, a silo of aesaie here— this army barracks, a silo of people here and— this army barracks, a silo of people here and all people here and they're all immigrasis— people here and they're all immigrants-are- people here and they're all immigrants are getting we're immigrants who are getting we're not immigrants who are getting we're ssi rhe— immigrants who are getting we're ssi rhe rremsh— immigrants who are getting we're not the french problem was that shew— not the french problem was that shew-sss— not the french problem was that shew-sse ihere — not the french problem was that they- not there was - not the french problem was that they not there was no they were not there was no sshesiss — cohesion. so these people were in cohesion. so these people were is—ass— cohesion. so these people were| in_and elements cohesion. so these people were. in_and elements . in separate areas and elements. so in separate areas and elements. sslhesame— in separate areas and elements. solbecame almost— in separate areas and elements. so became almost like so it became almost like gherrsises— so it became almost like ghettoised .— so it became almost like ghettoised . what so it became almost like ghettoised .-what saying ghettoised. and what i'm saying is—aesaie- is if we don't get people arssesses— is if we don't get people processed and- is if we don't get people processed and disperse them gaiswiw—gei- processed and disperse themi gaishiw—gei ases processed and disperse them - quickly—get used to quickly and let them get used to assimiiaie— quickly and let them get used to assimilate to— quickly and let them get used to assimilate to environment, assimilate to our environment, we're-face-samel we're going to face the same arshiem. — we're going to face the same arshiem. .ssiw- we're going to face the same problem. .only time- we're going to face the same problem. e rip problem. the only time i can remember living memory remember in recent living memory was when there was backlash, was when there was a backlash, when there was, if you like, quote unquote english white indigenous, working class lads rioting. and that was in the nonh rioting. and that was in the north west and i can't remember the and they were right. the town and they were right. and again, was a race and again, it was like a race riot. like a race war. riot. it was like a race war. and that was the time i've and that was the only time i've seen use lazily seen and i'm going to use lazily the lads rioting. so the word white lads rioting. so when see a riot in when you when you see a riot in the in france, generally the uk or in france, generally speaking, from it's from an speaking, it's from it's from an impoverished of impoverished group of immigrants. it's in immigrants. so whether it's in london, the mark duggan london, when the mark duggan shooting or whether it's in birmingham about 10 or 12 birmingham and about 10 or 12 years rioting, years ago, there was rioting, a race although bbc were race riot. although the bbc were reluctant to call it that between and between the asian community and

the community, it's never the black community, it's never really, if like, largely really, if you like, largely white english rioting. so white english lads rioting. so i can't see white english lads rioting in protest to mass migration from asylum seekers . migration from asylum seekers. you've seen the lack of school marshes— you've seen the lack of school matches before,— you've seen the lack of school matches before, but that's not a asiiiisai— matches before, but that's not a asiirisai risi— matches before, but that's not a asiirisai risi .— matches before, but that's not a political riot , is— matches before, but that's not a political riot , is it? political riot, is it? that's a irihai— political riot, is it? that's a tribal football riot. but. political riot, is it? tribal football riot. but. but the point tribal football riot. but. but she asisi is— tribal football riot. but. but the point is that— tribal football riot. but. but the point is that if- tribal football riot. but. but the point is that if we- the point is that if we create ihese— the point is that if we create ihese siss— the point is that if we create these silos of— the point is that if we create these silos of people who live in these silos of people who live is resis— these silos of people who live is risis .— these silos of people who live is risis , is— these silos of people who live in ipsis , in separate entities in ipsis, in separate entities of in ipsis, in separate entities si rhis— in ipsis, in separate entities of this country,— in ipsis, in separate entities of this country, so you've got aesaie— of this country, so you've got aesaie is— of this country, so you've got people in different areas, but mew-re— people in different areas, but ihew-re ari— people in different areas, but they're all migrants housed in seaaraie— they're all migrants housed in separate places,— they're all migrants housed in separate places, then you lack the cohesion,— separate places, then you lack the cohesion, the— separate places, then you lack the cohesion, the social sshesism— the cohesion, the social cohesion that- the cohesion, the social cohesion that comes with sort of geiiisg— cohesion that comes with sort of gerrisg aesaie— cohesion that comes with sort of getting people all_ cohesion that comes with sort of getting people all in individually and assimilating rsem— individually and assimilating ihem ari— individually and assimilating them all around the country. ihai-s— them all around the country. mars—wsa- them all around the country.| that's—you need them all around the country. . that's—you need to that's the problem. you need to shasge— that's the problem. you need to change-before— that's the problem. you need to change-before it- that's the problem. you need to change before it happens change policy before it happens rashes— change policy before it happens raiher shas— change policy before it happens rather than in— change policy before it happens rather than in response to it. ass— rather than in response to it. ass-risi— rather than in response to it. . and-riot-remember and the last riot i can remember where that happened was the poll tax riots and we got rid of the poll oh yeah, of course. poll tax. oh yeah, of course. yeah. you so thank you yeah. there you go. so thank you for nigel. right well, yeah. there you go. so thank you for are nigel. right well, yeah. there you go. so thank you for are your.. right well, yeah. there you go. so thank you for are your thoughts? ll, yeah. there you go. so thank you for are your thoughts? get in what are your thoughts? get in touch. vaiews@gbnews.com. what are your thoughts? get in to gb. vaiews@gbnews.com. what are your thoughts? get in to gb news. ws@gbnews.com. what are your thoughts? get in to gb news. we're3news.com. what are your thoughts? get in to gb news. we're live is.com. what are your thoughts? get in to gb news. we're live is.c

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the people's channel, britain's news . channel _ the people's channel, britain's news . channel good news. channel hello. good assesses.— news. channel hello. good afternoon. it's— news. channel hello. good afternoon. it's fast- afternoon. it's fast approaching. 24 minutes after hos.— approaching. 24 minutes after hoo- rhis— approaching. 24 minutes after hoo- ihis is— approaching. 24 minutes after 4:00. this is gb— approaching. 24 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we are he— 4:00. this is gb news. we are me resaie-s— 4:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua.— the people's channel. i'm nana ahaa. hsw,— the people's channel. i'm nana akua. now, before— the people's channel. i'm nana akua. now, before the break, we were discussing— akua. now, before the break, we were discussing the french risis. — were discussing the french risis. her-s— were discussing the french riots. let's see— were discussing the french riots. let's see what you've heem— riots. let's see what you've hees sawisg.— riots. let's see what you've been saying. michael says the damage— been saying. michael says the damage heisg— been saying. michael says the damage being other damage being done to other aesaie-s— damage being done to other people's property by these risiers— people's property by these risiers is— people's property by these rioters is disgusting . cars and rioters is disgusting. cars and ssashe— rioters is disgusting. cars and coaches being— rioters is disgusting. cars and coaches being torched , shop coaches being torched, shop wisssws— coaches being torched, shop windows being— coaches being torched, shop windows being smashed , shops set windows being smashed, shops set on windows being smashed, shops set ss gag,— windows being smashed, shops set ss gag, werw— windows being smashed, shops set ss gag, werw rrae. — windows being smashed, shops set on fire, very true. martin says his— on fire, very true. martin says his has— on fire, very true. martin says this has been— on fire, very true. martin says this has been brewing for years. rase— this has been brewing for years. rase is— this has been brewing for years. france is having— this has been brewing for years. france is having their own sesrge— france is having their own sesrge risws— france is having their own george floyd moment. yes barbara saws.— george floyd moment. yes barbara saws. wsar— george floyd moment. yes barbara saws. wsar is— george floyd moment. yes barbara says. what is happening in rase— says. what is happening in rase is— says. what is happening in france is an— says. what is happening in france is an album , but i can't france is an album, but i can't say— france is an album, but i can't saw shar— france is an album, but i can't say that abomination . it's an say that abomination. it's an abomination— say that abomination. it's an abomination .— say that abomination. it's an abomination . yes. thank you for abomination. yes. thank you for shas— abomination. yes. thank you for has ihash— abomination. yes. thank you for that. thank you— abomination. yes. thank you for that. thank you for— abomination. yes. thank you for that. thank you for putting in shar— that. thank you for putting in ma hass— that. thank you for putting in that hand grenade. barbara i aaaresiaie— that hand grenade. barbara i appreciate that. _ that hand grenade. barbara i appreciate that. right now, it's rime— appreciate that. right now, it's rime iss— appreciate that. right now, it's rime is he— appreciate that. right now, it's time for the great— appreciate that. right now, it's time for the great british hehaie— time for the great british debate this— time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm ashisg— debate this hour. and i'm asking, would— debate this hour. and i'm asking, would you be happy with asking, would you be happy with a-is— asking, would you be happy with a-is wsar— asking, would you be happy with a-in your-garden?- asking, would you be happy with a in your garden? i'm

a pilot in your back garden? i'm sss— a pilot in your back garden? i'm ssi. iieasisg— a pilot in your back garden? i'm not. meaning media not. meaning the social media hiss— not. meaning the social media hiss-asw— not. meaning the social media kind-any other— not. meaning the social media kind any other kind. the kind or any other kind. the gswersmesr— kind or any other kind. the government is— kind or any other kind. the government is planning to fast ssash— government is planning to fast rrasw aiassisg— government is planning to fast track planning applications for hassress— track planning applications for hassress si— track planning applications for hundreds of miles overhead hundreds of miles of overhead sahies— hundreds of miles of overhead sahies ass— hundreds of miles of overhead cables and pylons to reach net sess-eese.— cables and pylons to reach net zero-2050. but— cables and pylons to reach net zero .2050. but it- cables and pylons to reach net zero 2050. but it is britain zero by 2050. but it is britain areaares— zero by 2050. but it is britain areaares iss— zero by 2050. but it is britain areaares rsr as— zero by 2050. but it is britain prepared for an onslaught of sahies— prepared for an onslaught of cables-steel— prepared for an onslaught of cables steel outside cables and steel outside our wissswse— cables and steel outside our wissswselsar— cables and steel outside our windows? our infrastructure windows? is our infrastructure asraaiiw— windows? is our infrastructure actually built— windows? is our infrastructure actually built support such actually built to support such rargeis— actually built to support such rargers hw— actually built to support such targets by achieving one climate shasge— targets by achieving one climate shasge gsaie— targets by achieving one climate change goal? are _ targets by achieving one climate change goal? are we actually eiiesiiweiw— change goal? are we actually effectively destroying the environment?— effectively destroying the environment? currently, uk environment? currently, the uk geserares— environment? currently, the uk geserares aa— environment? currently, the uk geserares aa is— environment? currently, the uk generates up to 14gw of energy irsm — generates up to 14gw of energy from offshore _ generates up to 14gw of energy from offshore wind farms. the gsermsesi-s— from offshore wind farms. the government's net— from offshore wind farms. the government's net zero plan issiases— government's net zero plan includes raising— government's net zero plan includes raising that to 50gw by eese.— includes raising that to 50gw by zoso. hsw,— includes raising that to 50gw by zoso. hsw, ii— includes raising that to 50gw by 2030. now, if the— includes raising that to 50gw by 2030. now, if the government hiss-i— 2030. now, if the government siss-i imasse— 2030. now, if the government didn't impose expensive installations— didn't impose expensive installations like heat pumps, aerhaas— installations like heat pumps, aerhaas we— installations like heat pumps, perhaps we wouldn't need as many awisss— perhaps we wouldn't need as many awisss is— perhaps we wouldn't need as many awisss is he— perhaps we wouldn't need as many pylons in the first— perhaps we wouldn't need as many pylons in the first place. so for pylons in the first place. so is he— pylons in the first place. so for the great— pylons in the first place. so for the great british debate rhis— for the great british debate his years— for the great british debate rhis wear, im— for the great british debate this year, i'm asking would you be this year, i'm asking would you he—awiss- this year, i'm asking would you he—awiss is- this year, i'm asking would you he—awiss is wsar| be happy with a pylon in your hash— be happy with a pylon in your hash-e— be happy with a pylon in your hash-e keep— be happy with a pylon in your back-? keep it- be happy with a pylon in your back ? keep it clean. back yard? keep it clean. so isisisg— back yard? keep it clean. so joining-discuss- back yard? keep it clean. so joining discuss is lois joining me to discuss is lois rerrw. — joining me to discuss is lois rerrw. she-s— joining me to discuss is lois perry. she's director of car 24, iase— perry. she's director of car 24, iase iasw— perry. she's director of car 24, iase iasw sis— perry. she's director of car 24, jane lucy six 2024. yeah, i was ihishisg— jane lucy six 2024. yeah, i was ihishisg si— jane lucy six 2024. yeah, i was thinking of your— jane lucy six 2024. yeah, i was thinking of your age. oh, no. wsa— thinking of your age. oh, no. wsa saw— thinking of your age. oh, no. wsa saw air— thinking of your age. oh, no. you say all the— thinking of your age. oh, no. you say all the right- thinking of your age. oh, no. you say all the right things. nana. jane. lucy political commentator— nana. jane. lucy political commentator matthew stalin and fame— commentator matthew stalin and isrmer hrexii— commentator matthew stalin and former brexit party mep martin haahsew—

former brexit party mep martin haahsew sighs.— former brexit party mep martin daubney right. i'm going to seari— daubney right. i'm going to start actually— daubney right. i'm going to start actually with you, lucy iase— start actually with you, lucy iase .— start actually with you, lucy iase . iasw. — start actually with you, lucy iase . iasw. iase— start actually with you, lucy jane . lucy. jane 5 start actually with you, lucy jane . lucy. jane vs : jane. lucy. jane > i would definitely have one in my back garden and but let's be clear. the chances of it literally heisg— the chances of it literally heisg is— the chances of it literally heisg is wsar— the chances of it literally being in your back garden is not reaiiw— being in your back garden is not reaiiw shas— being in your back garden is not reaiiw rhar, wsa— being in your back garden is not really that, you know , what's really that, you know, what's wsar-s— really that, you know, what's whar-s gsisg— really that, you know, what's what's going to— really that, you know, what's what's going to be proposed here and what's going to be proposed here ass rhe— what's going to be proposed here and the reason— what's going to be proposed here and the reason for— what's going to be proposed here and the reason for it to be wirhis— and the reason for it to be wiihis mw— and the reason for it to be within my visible eyesight , within my visible eyesight, whish— within my visible eyesight, whish is— within my visible eyesight, which is much— within my visible eyesight, which is much more likely to be the which is much more likely to be she sshesr— which is much more likely to be the correct circumstances, is hesse— the correct circumstances, is because as it's— the correct circumstances, is because as it's going to be one of because as it's going to be one si ihese— because as it's going to be one of these measures— because as it's going to be one of these measures that is going to of these measures that is going is help— of these measures that is going is heia as— of these measures that is going to help us decarbonise our esergw— to help us decarbonise our esergw gris— to help us decarbonise our energy grid, which means resasisg— energy grid, which means reducing cost— energy grid, which means reducing cost of energy. we've shwisasiw— reducing cost of energy. we've obviously seen— reducing cost of energy. we've obviously seen in— reducing cost of energy. we've obviously seen in the last 18 mssihs— obviously seen in the last 18 mssihs esergw— obviously seen in the last 18 months energy go through the ssh — months energy go through the ssh wie— months energy go through the roof. we don't— months energy go through the roof. we don't want to see that haaaes— roof. we don't want to see that haaaes agais. — roof. we don't want to see that happen again. and- roof. we don't want to see that happen again. r: roof. we don't want to see that happen again. 'r: roof. we don't want to see that happen again. 'pr: happen again. and for that to be happening on a sustained way , it happening on a sustained way, it also will give us more security over our energy. so relying less on over our energy. so relying less ss isreigs— over our energy. so relying less on foreign imports— over our energy. so relying less on foreign imports ,_ ” rzi;pr::;”r:wr so relying less on foreign imports , um, and on foreign imports, um, and hewsss— on foreign imports, um, and hewsss energis— on foreign imports, um, and beyond energy, there's obviously an beyond energy, there's obviously as imaasi— beyond energy, there's obviously as imaasi ss— beyond energy, there's obviously an impact on things like our insurance with— an impact on things like our insurance with the risk of iissss— insurance with the risk of iissss .— insurance with the risk of floods , access- insurance with the risk of floods , access to good quality floods, access to good quality

arssase— floods, access to good quality arssase ass— floods, access to good quality produce and variety of produce. all produce and variety of produce. aii ihese— produce and variety of produce. all these things— produce and variety of produce. all these things go hand in hand wish— all these things go hand in hand wiih siimaie— all these things go hand in hand with climate change. farage are going— with climate change. farage are gsisg is— with climate change. farage are gsisg is he— with climate change. farage are going to be addressed by esahiisg— going to be addressed by enabling the— going to be addressed by enabling the national grid to have— enabling the national grid to have rhe— enabling the national grid to have the infrastructure it needs to have the infrastructure it needs is hsssi— have the infrastructure it needs is hsssi msre— have the infrastructure it needs to boost more renewable geseraiiss— to boost more renewable generation and the electrification of transport. isiesesiisg— electrification of transport. interesting. i— electrification of transport. interesting. i mean,- electrification of transport. interesting. i mean, i- electrification of transport. interesting. i mean, i would have thought that if there is an opportunity in this country, obviously the big for us obviously the big thing for us would pylon would would be flooding a pylon would actually thing that actually be the last thing that you'd there. let's lois you'd want up there. let's lois perry yeah, and so many perry yeah, and there's so many things you've things wrong with what you've just said. with respect, i iiieraiiw— just said. with respect, i literally don't— r: with respect, i literally don't know where to siari. — literally don't know where to siari. _hawisgl start. number one, having eiesirisiiw— start. number one, having electricity powering absolutely ewerwihisg— electricity powering absolutely ewerwihisg wii— electricity powering absolutely everything will increase our reiiasse— everything will increase our reiiasse ss— everything will increase our reliance on electricity coming in reliance on electricity coming is irsm — reliance on electricity coming is irsm rhe— reliance on electricity coming in from the rest— reliance on electricity coming in from the rest of europe. it wiih— in from the rest of europe. it wiii mahe— in from the rest of europe. it will make us— in from the rest of europe. it will make us less energy secure. rhe— will make us less energy secure. ihe mere— will make us less energy secure. the more renewables we have on the the more renewables we have on he gris— the more renewables we have on he gag, ihe— the more renewables we have on the grid, the less— the more renewables we have on the grid, the less reliable our esergw— the grid, the less reliable our energy sources— the grid, the less reliable our energy sources are. i mean , if energy sources are. i mean, if we were actually— energy sources are. i mean, if we were actually serious , we were actually serious, asiaaiiw— we were actually serious, actually serious about this, wes— actually serious about this, we-s he— actually serious about this, we'd be increasing our nuclear saaasiiw— we'd be increasing our nuclear saaasirw ss— we'd be increasing our nuclear capacity so that— we'd be increasing our nuclear capacity so that we could reseerw— capacity so that we could reserve our gas- capacity so that we could reserve our gas for our heating ass— reserve our gas for our heating ass sa— reserve our gas for our heating ass sii— reserve our gas for our heating ass sii iss— reserve our gas for our heating and our oil for our— reserve our gas for our heating and our oil for our transport ass— and our oil for our transport ass mawhe— and our oil for our transport and maybe even— and our oil for our transport and maybe even electrify city

irassasri. — and maybe even electrify city rrassasri. hai— and maybe even electrify city transport. but no,— and maybe even electrify city transport. but no, this is this is ahssiaieiw— transport. but no, this is this is absolutely crazy. we've tried all is absolutely crazy. we've tried aii ihese— is absolutely crazy. we've tried all these technologies in the aasi— all these technologies in the aasi roo— all these technologies in the aasi he wears— all these technologies in the past 100 years ago, windmills past100 years ago, windmills ass— past100 years ago, windmills ass ari— past100 years ago, windmills ass aii si— past100 years ago, windmills and all of that.— past 100 years ago, windmills and all of that. we've we've mswes— and all of that. we've we've mswes ss— and all of that. we've we've moved on from _ and all of that. we've we've moved on from that. and as for ihe— moved on from that. and as for he whsie— moved on from that. and as for the whole climate— moved on from that. and as for the whole climate change stuff, you the whole climate change stuff, wsa mew,— the whole climate change stuff, wsa wssw, ssme— the whole climate change stuff, you know, come on, you must know shar— you know, come on, you must know ihai shar— you know, come on, you must know ihai ihai is— you know, come on, you must know that that is nonsense— you know, come on, you must know that that is nonsense . cjp that that is nonsense. oh, well, im — that that is nonsense. oh, well, i-m gsisg— that that is nonsense. oh, well, i-m gsisg is— that that is nonsense. oh, well, i'm going to have to give her a right reply there, jane lois right to reply there, jane lois says the climate stuff is says the cold climate stuff is nonsense . this i can't agree nonsense. this i can't agree with that at all. there's so much overwhelming- there's so much overwhelming scientific ewisesse— much overwhelming scientific ewisesse is— much overwhelming scientific evidence in support of climate shasge— evidence in support of climate shasge ass— evidence in support of climate shasge ass is— evidence in support of climate change and to want to compare ieshssisgw— change and to want to compare ieshssisgw is — change and to want to compare technology to what existed 100 wears— technology to what existed 100 wears ags— technology to what existed 100 wears age is — technology to what existed 100 years ago to today. and, you wssw— years ago to today. and, you hssw .— years ago to today. and, you hssw , is— years ago to today. and, you hssw , is ihe— years ago to today. and, you know , in the next 100 years. know, in the next 100 years. i mean, we're going to be living in mean, we're going to be living is isiaiiw— mean, we're going to be living in totally different worlds from shar— in totally different worlds from that technology— in totally different worlds from that technology change. and, you hsss— that technology change. and, you hssw, ii-s— that technology change. and, you hssw, ii-s ssr— that technology change. and, you know, it's not just— that technology change. and, you know, it's not just sort of gas in know, it's not just sort of gas is ierms— know, it's not just sort of gas is ierms si— know, it's not just sort of gas in terms of our— know, it's not just sort of gas in terms of our gas use for rhisgs— in terms of our gas use for ihisgs hike— in terms of our gas use for things like heating, but there's ahss— things like heating, but there's aiss gas— things like heating, but there's aiss gas ases— things like heating, but there's also gas used in— things like heating, but there's also gas used in certain types of electricity— also gas used in certain types of electricity generation . and of electricity generation. and of electricity generation. and of course, we've— of electricity generation. and of course, we've seen what's haaaeses— of course, we've seen what's haaaeses wiih— of course, we've seen what's happened with the gas prices wiih— happened with the gas prices wiih isassia— happened with the gas prices with russia and— happened with the gas prices with russia and ukraine. that's hesse— with russia and ukraine. that's hesse si— with russia and ukraine. that's because of net— with russia and ukraine. that's because of net zero, though. her— because of net zero, though. was ers— because of net zero, though. net zero policies— because of net zero, though.

net zero policies have- because of net zero, though. net zero policies have pushed energy prices. but i don't understand how not increasing the ability to have home grown renewable generation is not a better solution to all of that. all right. well, let's get to iiaiihew— all right. well, let's get to matthew stadler in. matthew sutherland. _ matthew stadler in. matthew sutherland. iv/rzi;pi p matthew stadler in. matthew sutherland. / swig sutherland. yeah, just very quickly to spell it out, you don't to do it. the don't need me to do it. the world's hotter. we know world's getting hotter. we know that. are that. we know that we are contributing towards that. we know have to do something know we have to do something about do pylons ? about it. do i like pylons? would i like pylons? not just in my the british my backyard, but in the british countryside ? absolutely. ideally countryside? absolutely. ideally not. ugly . and i not. they're very ugly. and i happen and this is a very personal lot of people personal thing. a lot of people who accept the science on who do accept the science on climate disagree climate change might disagree with me about that. and it is it is thing. don't is a subjective thing. i don't happen turbines happen to like wind turbines ehheni happen to like wind turbines either. i they're scarring either. i think they're scarring the landscape as well. the british landscape as well. but we can't wish the climate crisis away . we have to do crisis away. we have to do something about it. we need good law. we need responsible and serious that shouldn't be serious law that shouldn't be rushed through without debate, without proper scrutiny, but we do need to change. martin daubney do need to change. martin haahsew sei— do need to change. martin daubney net zero- do need to change. martin daubney net zero is- r:r:::r : ig martin daubney net zero is economic

saisise— daubney net zero is economic saisise iss— daubney net zero is economic suicide for the— daubney net zero is economic suicide for the liberal west. ris— suicide for the liberal west. as hess— suicide for the liberal west. it's been proven— suicide for the liberal west. it's been proven we- suicide for the liberal west. it's been proven we need to be energy sovereign. but we can't rely on wind turbines because the wind stops solar panels get too hot when it's too hot. these technologies are unreliable oil. they're expensive to manufacture .look they're expensive to manufacture . look at the carbon footprint of wind turbines and the fact we can't even recycle solar panels. they are toxic and poisonous . we they are toxic and poisonous. we have the answer. the future is beneath our feet. we have trillions of cubic metres of shale. we have trillion of cubic metres of north sea oil us norway , just 300 miles to the norway, just 300 miles to the north of aberdeen , has has a north of aberdeen, has has a nationalised energy grid that people pay low prices for and is totally dependable. not on the climate , not on despots like climate, not on despots like putin, but on their own energy sovereignty . that's what we need sovereignty. that's what we need to do. we need more pylons because we're putting offshore wind windfarm farms in place where we where we currently don't need to be supplied from. we have existing power stations,

existing pylons that can cope with demand . all we got to do is with demand. all we got to do is rev up . let's go nuclear, let's rev up. let's go nuclear, let's go shale . the future is beneath go shale. the future is beneath our feet. net zero is making people net poorer. absolutely. and people net poorer. absolutely. ass ahss— people net poorer. absolutely. and also with— people net poorer. absolutely. and also with the— absolutely. and also with the planning regaiaiisss— and also with the planning regulations, how come they can iasi— regulations, how come they can iasi ssash— regulations, how come they can fast track planning regulations for fast track planning regulations isr ihis— fast track planning regulations isr ihis hai— fast track planning regulations for this but they— fast track planning regulations for this but they can't do it iss— for this but they can't do it for fracking. _ for this but they can't do it for fracking. you- for this but they can't do it for fracking. you know, it's in is— for fracking. you know, it's in is a— for fracking. you know, it's in it's a complete— for fracking. you know, it's in it's a complete nonsense. and you— it's a complete nonsense. and wsa mew,— it's a complete nonsense. and wsa wssw, whw— it's a complete nonsense. and you know, why are— it's a complete nonsense. and you know, why are we doing any of you know, why are we doing any si ihis— you know, why are we doing any si ihis is— you know, why are we doing any si ihis is ihe— you know, why are we doing any of this in the first— you know, why are we doing any of this in the first place? we have— of this in the first place? we have ihe— of this in the first place? we have the absolute perfect energy mix.— have the absolute perfect energy ihere-s— have the absolute perfect energy mix. there's no— have the absolute perfect energy mix. there's no reason for this. it mix. there's no reason for this. ii is— mix. there's no reason for this. it is basically— mix. there's no reason for this. it is basically a— mix. there's no reason for this. it is basically a complete scam hike— it is basically a complete scam iihe sashes— it is basically a complete scam like carbon capture capture . like carbon capture capture. ris— like carbon capture capture. as as— like carbon capture capture. it's an unnecessary resolution to it's an unnecessary resolution is as— it's an unnecessary resolution to an inexistent_ it's an unnecessary resolution to an inexistent problem . to an inexistent problem. um, so i— to an inexistent problem. um, so iiasi— to an inexistent problem. um, so iiasi iama— to an inexistent problem. um, so iiasiiama is— to an inexistent problem. um, so can i just jump in quickly on that? i think really important to differentiate between two things, right? so so shale gas, fracking , all that sort of fracking, all that sort of stuff. really bad . not good for stuff. really bad. not good for the local environment, not good for people who live there, but definitely, definitely not good for environment. nuclear for the environment. nuclear that's a debate worth having. nuclear energy is relatively

clean and if you're prepared to take the risk of the fallout, should there be a disaster there, then there's very little argument against nuclear. i want to bring jane in there. to bring jane back in there. jane, jane, lucy, your thoughts on jane, jane, lucy, your thoughts ss—hearisg.- jane, jane, lucy, your thoughts on_hearing. yeah. on what you're hearing. yeah i agree — on what you're hearing. yeah i agree -seess- on what you're hearing. yeah i agree. _needs to- on what you're hearing. yeah i agree. _needs to be. agree. there needs to be a combination in in terms of solutions . so, yes, i think solutions. so, yes, i think there is role for nuclear there is a role for nuclear alongside but i also alongside renewables. but i also agree that fracking is absolutely not the right solution . it causes solution. it causes environmental harm. and i think there's enough evidence scientifically and from people like the national grid eso, who even have independent consultants helping guide them in terms of the different opfions in terms of the different options that we've got to be looking at a combination of solutions that deliver carbon reduction but also keep control over cost. cost is absolutely key for many people. we've got record levels of fuel poverty in this country , but we also can do this country, but we also can do that hand in hand with carbon reduction and some of the things that are being discussed at the moment are not delivering reducing cost and they're not delivering the required carbon

reduction and supporting the status quo . well, what about status quo. well, what about jane , what about the jane, what about the environmental damage, though, an impact on things on the on the environment wind turbines environment of wind turbines and also other stuff and also the pylons? lois yeah, i mean, it's werw— pylons? lois yeah, i mean, it's werw weir— 7 lois yeah, i mean, it's very well documented the damage that very well documented the damage ihai wise— very well documented the damage that wind turbines,— very well documented the damage that wind turbines, if they're in near people's— that wind turbines, if they're in near people's homes and siaii— in near people's homes and siaii sas— in near people's homes and stuff, can can affect their mesiai— stuff, can can affect their mental health,- stuff, can can affect their mental health, their sleeping. they— mental health, their sleeping. ihew wii— mental health, their sleeping. they kill birds— mental health, their sleeping. they kill birds so— mental health, their sleeping. they kill birds so that- mental health, their sleeping. they kill birds so that yeah i mean there's a huge amount of evidence that and also it looks absolutely horrific . it destroys absolutely horrific. it destroys the look of the countryside . it the look of the countryside. it destroys the if you live on the coast, that affects people's mental health 100. so final, very mental health 100. so final, werw gaiswiw— mental health 100. so final, werw gaiswiw .— mental health 100. so final, very quickly , yes— mental health 100. so final, very quickly , yes or- �*00 so final, very quickly , yes or no, matthew very quickly, yes or no, matthew ssashes— very quickly, yes or no, matthew stadlen parliament in your hashwarsi— stadlen parliament in your haswwars, wes— stadlen parliament in your backyard, yes or no? cjpiyr stadlen parliament in your backyard, yes or no? 0qu �*7 stadlen parliament in your backyard, yes or no? q’xg �*7 backyard, yes or no? only if we. ahssiaieiw— backyard, yes or no? only if we. ahssiareiw wes— backyard, yes or no? only if we. absolutely yes or— backyard, yes or no? only if we. absolutely yes or no. _ backyard, yes or no? cjpiyr �*7 absolutely yes or no. yes or no . wsa-we— absolutely yes or no. yes or no . wsa-we ssr— absolutely yes or no. yes or no . you've not said— absolutely yes or no. yes or no . you've not said yes or no . yes . you've not said yes or no. yes or .you've not said yes or no. yes sr ss ss ihe— .you've not said yes or no. yes or no on the fence? iv/rzinpr pr:::r7 or no on the fence? yes or no? ihai— or no on the fence? yes or no? ihai assi— or no on the fence? yes or no? ihai assi as— or no on the fence? yes or no? that wasn't an option- or no on the fence? iv/rzinpr pr:::r7 that wasn't an option or no. ssme— that wasn't an option or no. ssme — that wasn't an option or no. come on. you— that wasn't an option or no. come on. v/rzzr. \rr:::r that wasn't an option or no. come on. v/rt:r. \rr:t:r v/rt;pip come on. you know. no. yeah. okay . come on. you know. n0. yeah. swaw . ihai-s— come on. you know. n0. yeah. okay . that's absolutely. - come on. v/rt:r \rt:r / okay . that's absolutely. \rr:t:r come on. vv/rt:r m] / okay . that's absolutely. hrtr okay. that's absolutely. no, we ass-i— okay. that's absolutely. no, we ass-i sees— okay. that's absolutely. no, we don't need them. lois- okay. that's absolutely. \iif.i : p e : lois perry. no. don't need them. lois perry. no. ass— don't need them. lois perry. no. ass iase. — don't need them. lois perry. no. ass iase. iasw— don't need them. lois perry. no. and jane. lucy, an— : p e : lois perry. no. and jane. lucy, an emphatic yes.

wieii— and jane. lucy, an emphatic yes. wieii ihew— and jane. lucy, an emphatic yes. well they should— and jane. lucy, an emphatic yes. well they should be coming to a hsase— well they should be coming to a house near yours.— well they should be coming to a house near yours. your house. mash— house near yours. your house. ihash wsa— house near yours. your house. ihasw wsa werw— house near yours. your house. thank you very much. lois perry , siresisr— thank you very much. lois perry , siresisr si— thank you very much. lois perry , director of car— thank you very much. lois perry , director of car 26.— thank you very much. lois perry , director of car 26. jane lucy , sis— , director of car 26. jane lucy , sis si— , director of car 26. jane lucy , ceo of perse— , director of car 26. jane lucy , ceo of perse technology and x, isasser— , ceo of perse technology and x, isasser si— , ceo of perse technology and x, founder of labrador— , ceo of perse technology and x, founder of labrador , matthew founder of labrador, matthew ssashes— founder of labrador, matthew siasies ass— founder of labrador, matthew stadler, and also martin haahsew.— stadler, and also martin daubney. thank you for your ihsaghis. — daubney. thank you for your thoughts. we'll— daubney. thank you for your thoughts. we'll keep your ihsaghis— thoughts. we'll keep your thoughts-as- thoughts. we'll keep your- thoughts-as-listen thoughts coming as you listen here— thoughts coming as you listen here-news.— thoughts coming as you listen here - news. you're - thoughts coming as you listen here news. you're with me. here on gb news. you're with me. i'm here on gb news. you're with me. i-m-ahaa.— here on gb news. you're with me. i-m-ahaa. ihis— here on gb news. you're with me. i'm-akua. this-gb- i'm nana akua. this is gb news ihe— i'm nana akua. this is gb news ihe-iv,— i'm nana akua. this is gb news iiweliv,lrasis,— i'm nana akua. this is gb news live.tv,.radio, and- i'm nana akua. this is gb news live tv, radio, and on live on tv, on radio, and on sigiiai— live on tv, on radio, and on digital radio. _ live on tv, on radio, and on digital radio. i've- live on tv, on radio, and on digital radio. i've said that heisre— digital radio. i've said that before. after— digital radio. i've said that before. after the break, we'll sssiisae— before. after the break, we'll continue with _ before. after the break, we'll continue with the great british hehaie—wsa continue with the great british. hehaie—wsa he debate. i'm asking, would you be happy—your- happy with a pylon in your back yard?— happy with a pylon in your back wares—ihsaghisl yard? you'll hear the thoughts of-broadcaster- yard? you'll hear the thoughts of broadcaster and of my panel, broadcaster and isarsaiisi— of my panel, broadcaster and journalist—also. of my panel, broadcaster and. journalist—also gb journalist danny kelly. also gb news— news senior political commentator nigel nelson. but iirsi—iaiesi- first, let's get your latest news headlines . i: first, let's get your latest- news headlines . good afternoon. news headlines. good afternoon. it's 434. your top stories from the newsroom . the french the newsroom. the french government will hold emergency talks this evening to address the civil unrest after a fifth night of riots. more than 700 people were arrested across the country overnight with tear gas used to disperse crowds in

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to support such targets by achieving one climate change goal? are we actually , in goal? are we actually, in effect, destroying the environment in our wake? if the government didn't impose expensive installation like heat pumps, perhaps we wouldn't need this nonsense in the first place. you can obviously hear where i stand on it. so for the great this hour, great british debate, this hour, i'm happy i'm asking would you be happy with back yard? with a pylon in your back yard? let's panel make of let's see what my panel make of that. now by that. i'm joined now by broadcaster and journalist danny kelly senior gb news kelly and also senior gb news political nigel political commentator nigel nelson. i'm going nelson. danny kelly, i'm going to with you. a pylon in to start with you. a pylon in your back a horrible your back yard, what a horrible big , ugly your back yard, what a horrible big, ugly lump a of an big, ugly lump of a of an unwanted unnecessary structure. are you talking about yourself and i'm not talking about something . and on to the something. and on to the gaesiiss— something. and on to the gaesiiss si— something. and on to the question of the- pg and on to the question of the day. rt; question of the day. he set himseli— question of the day. he set himseli aa— question of the day. he set himself up for that. no one would be himself up for that. no one wsals he haaaw— himself up for that. no one would be happy and- himself up for that. no one would be happy and i- p t. no one would be happy and i disbelieve one would be happy and i disbelieve si— would be happy and i disbelieve si wsar— would be happy and i disbelieve one of your earlier— would be happy and i disbelieve one of your earlier contributors sail— one of your earlier contributors sail shar— one of your earlier contributors sail ihai she— one of your earlier contributors said that she would be happy sawisg— said that she would be happy hawisg a— said that she would be happy hawisg a aile— said that she would be happy hawisg a aile .— said that she would be happy having a pile . what a load of having a pile. what a load of halssew— having a pile. what a load of halssew .— having a pile. what a load of baloney . that's— having a pile. what a load of baloney . that's the thing with baloney. that's the thing with aesale— baloney. that's the thing with aesale-iail— baloney. that's the thing with aesaie-iall a- baloney. that's the thing with people. talk a great game. people. they talk a great game. no, people. they talk a great game. wsa—she— people. they talk a great game. no,_she meant- people. they talk a great game. no,_she meant it.- no, everybody. she meant it. sawisg— no, everybody. she meant it. hawisg a— no, everybody. she meant it. having a massive structure in ihe— having a massive structure in he hash. — having a massive structure in the back. she— having a massive structure in the back. she said- having a massive structure in the back. r: e : the back. she said it would be all but she said it would

all right, but she said it would be backyard. be unlikely. in her backyard. probably, see it probably, i don't think. see it through window. i don't through the window. i don't think they through the window. i don't thinkithey tolerate- through the window. i don't thinkithey tolerate her- would they tolerate her haaaisess— would they tolerate her happiness and toleration are ssmaleielw— happiness and toleration are completely things . completely different things. hsrrihie— completely different things. horrible, thing. and horrible, big, ugly thing. and ihis— horrible, big, ugly thing. and ihis ihis— horrible, big, ugly thing. and this this drive— horrible, big, ugly thing. and this this drive for the 2050, i sslw— this this drive for the 2050, i sslw saeal— this this drive for the 2050, i can only speak generally, but in my can only speak generally, but in mw sirsle— can only speak generally, but in mw sirsle si— can only speak generally, but in my circle of family— can only speak generally, but in my circle of family and friends, i my circle of family and friends, i ass-i— my circle of family and friends, i ass-i mew— my circle of family and friends, i don't know anyone who actually wasis— i don't know anyone who actually wasis asw— i don't know anyone who actually wasis asw si— i don't know anyone who actually wants any of this— i don't know anyone who actually wants any of this garbage . i wants any of this garbage. i ass-i.— wants any of this garbage. i ass-i. ihese— wants any of this garbage. i don't. these heat pumps. i don't mew— don't. these heat pumps. i don't lssw aswsse— don't. these heat pumps. i don't know anyone who— don't. these heat pumps. i don't know anyone who wants a heat pump— know anyone who wants a heat aama sr— know anyone who wants a heat aama sr whs— know anyone who wants a heat aama sr whs sas— know anyone who wants a heat pump or who can afford one who's got pump or who can afford one who's gsi ihe— pump or who can afford one who's gsi ihe saase— pump or who can afford one who's gsi ihe saase iss— pump or who can afford one who's got the space for them. people wasi— got the space for them. people wasi is— got the space for them. people wasi is has— got the space for them. people want to burn fossil fuels. i'm ever so sorry. but— want to burn fossil fuels. i'm ever so sorry. but in the real wsrls— ever so sorry. but in the real wsrls ass— ever so sorry. but in the real world and i'm— ever so sorry. but in the real world and i'm speaking broadly and world and i'm speaking broadly asslmw— world and i'm speaking broadly asslmw sirsle— world and i'm speaking broadly and-my circle of— world and i'm speaking broadly and my circle of friends and and in my circle of friends and iamiiw— and in my circle of friends and family ihew-re — and in my circle of friends and family, they're fed— and in my circle of friends and family, they're fed up with this 2050— family, they're fed up with this 2050 ihisg. — family, they're fed up with this 2050 thing. nigel— family, they're fed up with this 2050 thing. h gt; �*7 2050 thing. nigel okay, firstly r “0, 2050 thing. nigel okay, firstly , no, i wouldn't want one in my back garden either. no. however, i back garden either. no. however, iihisl— back garden either. no. however, iihisl i— back garden either. no. however, iihisl i mighi— back garden either. no. however, i think i might have— back garden either. no. however, i think i might have to- i g : p rt; no. however, i think i might have to accept wwswe— i think i might have to accept one. why? because if we're going to one. why? because if we're going is gei— one. why? because if we're going is gei is— one. why? because if we're going is gei is sei— one. why? because if we're going to get to net zero— one. why? because if we're going to get to net zero by 2050, we all— to get to net zero by 2050, we all gsisg— to get to net zero by 2050, we all gsisg rs— to get to net zero by 2050, we are all going to have to make sasriiises— are all going to have to make sasriiises :— are all going to have to make sacrifices , both— are all going to have to make sacrifices , both financial, both sacrifices, both financial, both in convenience— sacrifices, both financial, both in convenience and having asssihlw— in convenience and having asssihlw a— in convenience and having possibly a pile— in convenience and having possibly a pile and stuck out saisise— possibly a pile and stuck out saisise wsar— possibly a pile and stuck out outside your front door and it

rises— outside your front door and it rises is— outside your front door and it does seem to me— outside your front door and it does seem to me that the problem at does seem to me that the problem ai ihe— does seem to me that the problem ai ihe msmem— does seem to me that the problem at the moment is— does seem to me that the problem at the moment is that people ass-i— at the moment is that people don't understand— at the moment is that people don't understand how urgent the slimaie— don't understand how urgent the climate crisis— don't understand how urgent the climate crisis is.— don't understand how urgent the climate crisis is. you've got ssmeihisg— climate crisis is. you've got something like— climate crisis is. you've got something like 300 ice blocks the something like 300 ice blocks ihe sie— something like 300 ice blocks ihe si— something like 300 ice blocks the size of london, double sesler— the size of london, double decker buses— the size of london, double decker buses falling off the ice sheeis— decker buses falling off the ice sheeis ass — decker buses falling off the ice sheets and melting every every sessss — sheets and melting every every sessss ass— sheets and melting every every second. and that— sheets and melting every every second. and that means nothing to second. and that means nothing is aesaie. — second. and that means nothing is aesaie. whar— second. and that means nothing to people. what does it mean herei— to people. what does it mean heree hesi— to people. what does it mean here? next year,— to people. what does it mean here? next year, we're going to hit here? next year, we're going to his well— here? next year, we're going to hit we'll probably— here? next year, we're going to hit we'll probably hit 1.5 c. ihe— hit we'll probably hit 1.5 c. the droughts— hit we'll probably hit 1.5 c. the droughts will be longer. the ramsisrms— the droughts will be longer. the rainstorms will— the droughts will be longer. the rainstorms will be— the droughts will be longer. the rainstorms will be heavier. but we have— rainstorms will be heavier. but we have gsi— rainstorms will be heavier. but we have got heavier— rainstorms will be heavier. but we have got heavier rainstorms . we have got heavier rainstorms. i've got to stop you there, nigel. it sounds like some apocalyptic thing that's going on. no, you know, music and on. no, but you know, music and fire. that's my but that's my ashl— fire. that's my but that's my points-that— fire. that's my but that's my point,-that the- �*7 ”rt; that's my but that's my point, that the rain point, really. that the rain will— point, really. that the rain will-hir— point, really. that the rain will bit heavier. but you will be a bit heavier. but you wss-i—ssri- will be a bit heavier. but you wss-i—ssri si- won't notice it as sort of ssmeihisg— won't notice it as sort of something as- won't notice it as sort of something as apocalyptic as wee— something as apocalyptic as you're suggesting. so as a vote ihis— you're suggesting. so as a vote winner, this is— you're suggesting. so as a vote winner, this is the— you're suggesting. so as a vote winner, this is the real problem . wie— winner, this is the real problem . ire sasssi— winner, this is the real problem . we cannot sell— winner, this is the real problem . we cannot sell climate change shar— . we cannot sell climate change ihai is— . we cannot sell climate change ihai is iasi— . we cannot sell climate change that is just proved— . we cannot sell climate change that is just proved really . that is just proved really. however, if— that is just proved really. however, if we - that is just proved really. however, if we do believe in it, if however, if we do believe in it, ii we— however, if we do believe in it, ii we heiiewe— however, if we do believe in it, if we believe in— however, if we do believe in it, if we believe in net zero, we gsisg— if we believe in net zero, we gsisg is— if we believe in net zero, we are going to have- if we believe in net zero, we are going to have to make these sasriiises. —

are going to have to make these sacrifices. may— are going to have to make these sacrifices. may i— are going to have to make these sacrifices. may i just- are going to have to make these sacrifices. i i sacrifices. may i just come back at that? i'm not a climate change denier and my circle of friends understand and recognise that change is that climate change is happening. is that it's happening. my point is that it's pointless. punishing pointless. we're punishing ourselves when we're when we're responsible like 1% of responsible for like 1% of global . listen, we're global emissions. listen, we're preaching the converted in preaching to the converted in this country. i'm talking about the rest of the world. what we are doing. pointless we are doing. it's pointless if we don't people like china and don't get people like china and pakistan and to pakistan and india. and to a certain extent, on certain extent, america on board. we are punishing. we're smacking in the face. smacking ourselves in the face. right. it's a global problem. so right. it's a global problem. ss whw— right. it's a global problem. so why should— right. it's a global problem. so why should we— right. it's a global problem. so why should we punish ourselves? because that if eesserw— ourselves? because that if everyone takes— 7 because that if everyone takes that attitude , everyone takes that attitude, ssi gsisg— everyone takes that attitude, we're not going to solve it. so a small— we're not going to solve it. so a small change— we're not going to solve it. so a small change in— we're not going to solve it. so a small change in china, for issiasse— a small change in china, for issiasse :— a small change in china, for instance , ice— a small change in china, for instance , ice will have much instance, ice will have much eiiesi— instance, ice will have much more effect on— instance, ice will have much more effect on the climate than a hig— more effect on the climate than a hig shasge— more effect on the climate than ahig shasge is— more effect on the climate than a big change in britain. so wee— a big change in britain. so wsa-re—righil a big change in britain. sol you're—right. but a big change in britain. so. you're—right. but if you're absolutely right. but if we-all— you're absolutely right. but if we-all-ssisg- you're absolutely right. but if we-all-doing our. you're absolutely right. but if we all doing our bit we don't all start doing our bit , ii-s— we don't all start doing our bit , is like— we don't all start doing our bit , it's like we're— we don't all start doing our bit , it's like we're doing our bit well— , it's like we're doing our bit well were— , it's like we're doing our bit well, we're not— , it's like we're doing our bit well, we're not doing enough to get well, we're not doing enough to gei is— well, we're not doing enough to gei rs asiaailw— well, we're not doing enough to get to actually the _ well, we're not doing enough to get to actually the target 2050 sies— get to actually the target 2050 sles shisa— get to actually the target 2050 unless china do— get to actually the target 2050 unless china do something, it's asisiiess. — unless china do something, it's pointless. nigel— unless china do something, it's pointless. h gt; cj

think this is the way to do it. if we can affect it in if we think we can affect it in some i actually think some way, i don't actually think we as we believe we we can as much as we believe we can. think that can. i don't think really that we power to we have that much power to change, it . i change, to affect it. and i think its balancing think it does its own balancing act anyway. but i'm looking at this and i'm thinking, okay, so i go along with this. what about the environmental is the environmental impact? why is the environmental impact? why is the environmental impact? why is the environment impact just ignored the environmental impact of putting up one of these pylons, our own pylons, not to only our own mental health, but the health of the the environment? the animals and the environment? what ridiculous. what about these ridiculous. it's getting ridiculous. we're going to build these monstrosities the uk, monstrosities across the uk, hundreds miles of them, and hundreds of miles of them, and we're not we're not batting we're not and we're not batting an think fine an eyelid. we think that's fine to environment. to destroy the environment. we're to we're going to we're going to pull charging points pull up these charging points and knock out all this concrete and knock out all this concrete and this, we're and do all this, but we're not batting the batting an eyelid about the environmental as environmental impact as long as the think that what the air. and i think that what we're doing is we're causing one problem after another. it's like taking medication when you've got work out much can got to work out how much you can take another take before it causes another problem. we're problem. and i think we're creating this. the solution to this actual this is worse than the actual thing itself, right? this is worse than the actual thing itself , right? let's let's thing itself, right? let's let's see you think, though. this see what you think, though. this show is nothing without you and

your welcome our your views. let's welcome our great british voices, your opportunity show opportunity to be on the show and you think about and tell us what you think about the topics we're discussing. let's to kidderminster. have the topics we're discussing. let's pylonsierminster. have the topics we're discussing. let's pylons there, ster. have the topics we're discussing. let's pylons there, ster. h have you got pylons there, john? have you got pylons there, john? have you pylons in kidderminster you got pylons in kidderminster ? yeah, we certainly have nana . ? yeah, we certainly have nana. ass— ? yeah, we certainly have nana. ass asiaailw— ? yeah, we certainly have nana. and actually, what— ? yeah, we certainly have nana. and actually, what a— ? yeah, we certainly have nana. and actually, what a wonderful thing they are to have if somebody could put one in my back garden, i'd be absolutely delighted. the size of the delighted. given the size of the garden but assume that garden. but let's assume that they could, you know, the rental. i would get from having that on would be that pile on there would be absolutely probably absolutely wonderful. probably better than the pension i'm currently getting , but i see currently getting, but i can see that to work towards net that we need to work towards net zero and i notice the year that they're aiming at is 2050. well i'll be 102 that year, so that'll be a good step in the right direction. and as regards global , what global warming, what a marvellous thing that is . you marvellous thing that is. you know, as i see it, if we pg you know, as i see it, if we have gishal— know, as i see it, if we have global warming— know, as i see it, if we have global warming ,_ know, as i see it, if we have global warming , i won't have to global warming, i won't have to go global warming, i won't have to gs is— global warming, i won't have to gs is ihe— global warming, i won't have to go to the mediterranean for my hslisaws. — go to the mediterranean for my hslisaws. ill— go to the mediterranean for my holidays. i'll only— go to the mediterranean for my holidays. ; : gt:r holidays. i'll only need to go down to the west country or the south coast so i won't need aeroplanes or anything like that. simpler if that. it'd be much simpler if everi that. it'd be much simpler if

ever i was to go on a battery powered car and drive to the south coast and maybe sleep a south coast and maybe sleep in a tent something . the cost of tent or something. the cost of it be tremendous . it would it would be tremendous. it would be much than what be very much lower than what we're currently doing. and yes , we're currently doing. and yes, so i'm for it. i think it's so i'm all for it. i think it's a r so i'm all for it. i think it's a , wonderful idea. and a wonderful, wonderful idea. and as this government puts as soon as this government puts it i'll be delighted. it in place, i'll be delighted. thank much . john thank you very much. john ishiassss. — thank you very much. john rhiannon. _he's- thank you very much. john rhiannon. he's been rhiannon. i think he's been slighrlw— rhiannon. i think he's been slighrlw-ss- rhiannon. i think he's been slightly on some slightly sarcastic on some of shas— slightly sarcastic on some of shah-heirl— slightly sarcastic on some of that.-reid,-to. slightly sarcastic on some ofi that.-reid,-to talk that. john reid, lovely to talk to that. john reid, lovely to talk is—ihai- that. john reid, lovely to talk is—ihai is- that. john reid, lovely to talki to_that is john to you, aslef and that is john agg— to you, aslef and that is john reid kidderminster. i mean, reid in kidderminster. i mean, serisaslw— seriously, look, we won't have to seriously, look, we won't have is-mash— seriously, look, we won't have to-much.heating| to spend so much on heating so heres— to spend so much on heating so there's—emissions. there's less carbon emissions irsm— there's less carbon emissions irsm-heaiisg.— there's less carbon emissions from-heating-thel from our heating. maybe the alasei— from our heating. maybe thei alasei—iasi from our heating. maybe the. alasei—iasi ss planet is warming us up just so we—is— planet is warming us up just so we—is-all- planet is warming us up just so we—is-all sari we don't have to spend all our mssew—ihis- we don't have to spend all our. money—this nonsense money on a lot of this nonsense shar— money on a lot of this nonsense ihai were— money on a lot of this nonsense that we're spending on. but irasllw— that we're spending on. but frankly,-fancy- that we're spending on. but frankly, fancy pilot frankly, i don't fancy a pilot in frankly, i don't fancy a pilot is-wars— frankly, i don't fancy a pilot is-wars .- frankly, i don't fancy a pilot in-yard . let's- frankly, i don't fancy a pilot in yard . let's have in my back yard. let's have a lssh— in my back yard. let's have a lssh-aslisg- in my back yard. let's have a look. asking, would look. i've been asking, would you— look. i've been asking, would you-happy— look. i've been asking, would you-happy with- look. i've been asking, would you happy with one in yours? you be happy with one in yours? isis— you be happy with one in yours? leis-have— you be happy with one in yours? lots-have been- you be happy with one in yours? lots have been getting in lots of you have been getting in ssash— lots of you have been getting in touch _thoughts. - touch with your thoughts. steve sail — touch with your thoughts. steve sail _whai- said pylons. to do what we sasssi— said pylons. to do what we- cannot—electricity. said pylons. to do what we- cannc point-electricity. said pylons. to do what we cannc point . electricity. said pylons. to do what we cannc point . dawn electricity. said pylons. to do what we cannc point . dawn says ctricity. said pylons. to do what we cannc point . dawn says aricity. said pylons. to do what we canncpoint . dawn says a cleaner, good point. dawn says a cleaner, a cleaner planet— good point. dawn says a cleaner, a cleaner planet full of metal awlsss— a cleaner planet full of metal awlsss ass— a cleaner planet full of metal pylons and metal— a cleaner planet full of metal pylons and metal windmills and sslar— pylons and metal windmills and ssiar aasels— pylons and metal windmills and solar panels on— pylons and metal windmills and solar panels on industrial ssale — solar panels on industrial ssale ris— solar panels on industrial scale. it's not— solar panels on industrial scale. it's not cleaner at all. ris— scale. it's not cleaner at all. is ssi— scale. it's not cleaner at all. is ssi ii-s— scale. it's not cleaner at all. it's not it's not— scale. it's not cleaner at all. it's not it's not a— scale. it's not cleaner at all. it's not it's not a place any of

us it's not it's not a place any of as wasi— it's not it's not a place any of as wasi is— it's not it's not a place any of us want to live _ it's not it's not a place any of us want to live in.— it's not it's not a place any of us want to live in. misery and asweriw— us want to live in. misery and asweriw .— us want to live in. misery and asweriw . sh,— us want to live in. misery and poverty . oh, dawn, that is , poverty. oh, dawn, that is, ism-i— poverty. oh, dawn, that is, iss-i a,— poverty. oh, dawn, that is, isn't it, dawn?— poverty. oh, dawn, that is, isn't it, dawn? it's just like a new dawn. thing— isn't it, dawn? it's just like a new dawn. thing is. is this not sawsisg— new dawn. thing is. is this not sawsisg ss— new dawn. thing is. is this not dawning on the— new dawn. thing is. is this not dawning on the government? what a nonsense idea— dawning on the government? what a nonsense idea .— dawning on the government? what a nonsense idea . and he says, a nonsense idea. and he says, why— a nonsense idea. and he says, th sas-i— a nonsense idea. and he says, wwsw sas-r ihew— a nonsense idea. and he says, why can't they make pylons more aiirasiiwee— why can't they make pylons more attractive? first?— why can't they make pylons more attractive? first? well, that wsals— attractive? first? well, that wsals heia. — attractive? first? well, that would help. but frankly , a lot would help. but frankly, a lot of countries— would help. but frankly, a lot of countries put— would help. but frankly, a lot of countries put them underground because it's sasgersas— underground because it's dangerous for— underground because it's dangerous for them to be swerrsasgs— dangerous for them to be overground, especially if you have— overground, especially if you have earthquakes overground, especially if you- have _earthquakes and have things like earthquakes and ilssis— have things like earthquakes and floods-floods,- have things like earthquakes and floods. floods, which floods. you have floods, which is asiesiiailw— floods. you have floods, which is potentially would be is potentially what would be haaaesisg— is potentially what would be happening country in happening in this country in masw— happening in this country in masw-is— happening in this country in masw-is-a- happening in this country ini masw-is-a awiss happening in this country in- many-to-a pylon is many years to come. a pylon is ihe—wasi- the last thing you want electrified _ the last thing you want electrified cables in water. ihis— electrified cables in water. ihis is— electrified cables in water. ihis is es— electrified cables in water. this is gb views on tv, online ass— this is gb views on tv, online ass ss— this is gb views on tv, online asi es sigiial— this is gb views on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua.— and on digital radio. i'm nana alaa. ssmimg— and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. coming up,— and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. coming up, it's this weeks— akua. coming up, it's this week's-guide- week's outside guide with wimbledon— week's outside guide with- wimbledon—corner week's outside guide with- wimbledon_corner , wimbledon around the corner, it's wimbledon around the corner, is sslw— wimbledon around the corner, it's only fitting— wimbledon around the corner, it's only fitting mystery it's only fitting our mystery gaesi— it's only fitting our mystery gaess-ihe— it's only fitting our mystery guest the tournament back in guest won the tournament back in reii- — guest won the tournament back in reii- she-s— guest won the tournament back in reii- she-s wss— guest won the tournament back in 1977. she's won three major sisgies— 1977. she's won three major singles titles— 1977. she's won three major singles titles as— 1977. she's won three major singles titles as as four singles titles as well as four ssahles— singles titles as well as four ssahles iss— singles titles as well as four doubles for great britain . she doubles for great britain. she regalariw— doubles for great britain. she regularly battled it out with oner— regularly battled it out with ihe— regularly battled it out with ihe sse— regularly battled it out with one, the one and only billie jean— one, the one and only billie ieas wisg— one, the one and only billie ieas wisg ass— one, the one and only billie jean king and is— one, the one and only billie jean king and is now a regular remis— jean king and is now a regular iessis aassii— jean king and is now a regular iessis aassii .— jean king and is now a regular tennis pundit. but who is she heisre— tennis pundit. but who is she heisre rag, — tennis pundit. but who is she before that, though, its worldview? _ before that, though, its worldview? we'll be getting the laiesi— worldview? we'll be getting the laiesi es— worldview? we'll be getting the latest news-across- latest news from across the glshe. — latest news from across the globe. _anywherei latest news from across the

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news. channel i esss- news. channel good afternoon. this is a gb news. channel good alive ioon. this is a gb news. channel good alive oni. this is a gb news. channel good alive on tv,iis is a gb news. channel good alive on tv, online gb news. channel good alive on tv, online and news news live on tv, online and on radio. nana akua. on digital radio. i'm nana akua. welcome. you've joined welcome. if you've just joined me, now for world me, it's time now for world view. and to according recent russian reports, state media has actually ignored the fact that ordinary russians in rostov—on—don alleged supported wagner's mutiny . and that's as wagner's mutiny. and that's as the cia director allegedly

called the fsb to assure that the us nothing that had nothing to do with the coup. so joining me to talk about all of this and to dissect and explain it all, because it sounds a bit gobbledegook russian gobbledegook, is russian journalist ver. alexei, journalist alexei ver. alexei, thank you very much for joining us. he's live in russia now. a week ago, russia survived an armed coup attempt. how has it changed moscow's relationships with the west east and what are the reactions you've been the reactions that you've been getting sides ? getting from from both sides? hello, nana. well last week's armed— hello, nana. well last week's armes ssaa— hello, nana. well last week's armed coup attempt was the wassim — armed coup attempt was the nassim taleb_ armed coup attempt was the nassim taleb would probably go a hash— nassim taleb would probably go a hlasl swas— nassim taleb would probably go a black swan completely predictable. - black swan completely predictable. ' pr: black swan completely predictable. pr: «will black swan completely predictable. pr: : predictable. and yet nobody expected it. and more than that, it was a complete game changer. one thing this rmt rebellion by wagner troops didn't change is probably russia's relationship with the west. well moscow did reserve to its usual narrative, accusing the west of rejoicing at russia's troubles. at the same time, as you said , cia

same time, as you said, cia chief william burns did contact the russian colleagues, letting them know that america had nothing to do with the coup. russian minister of foreign affairs sergey lavrov commented on the situation, saying that russian special services will investigate if the cia, mi6 , or investigate if the cia, m16, or any other western intelligence agencies were involved in this coup. preparation at the same time, he said that moscow's allies have supported russia by moscow allies. i think we should imply mostly african nations and other countries as turkey, iran, kazakhstan , iran or russia's kazakhstan, iran or russia's friends and as when it comes to the rest of the world, apparently russia doesn't care. according to russia's top diplomat , according to russia's top diplomat, and it's not going to change russia's relations with the west in any way . well, what the west in any way. well, what about the west in any way. well, what ahsai ihe — the west in any way. well, what about the ordinary— �*vpintnpre p in well, what about the ordinary russians? how did about the ordinary russians? how sis ihew— about the ordinary russians? how sis ihew seasi— about the ordinary russians? how did they react to— about the ordinary russians? how did they react to the whole siiaaiisse— did they react to the whole situation? they— did they react to the whole situation? they just moved on wiih— situation? they just moved on wiih-lives.— situation? they just moved on with - lives. _well. situation? they just moved on with - lives. _well ,| situation? they just moved oni with-lives.-well, i with their lives. now well, i saeal— with their lives. now well, i saeal iss— with their lives. now well, i can speak for all russians. i can speak for all russians. i can speak for myself . i did move can speak for myself. i did move on can speak for myself. i did move ss wiih— can speak for myself. i did move

ss wiih mw— can speak for myself. i did move on with my life.— can speak for myself. i did move on with my life. you— can speak for myself. i did move on with my life. you know, nana ihisg— on with my life. you know, nana liwisg is— on with my life. you know, nana living in russia.— on with my life. you know, nana living in russia. you kind of get— living in russia. you kind of gei ases— living in russia. you kind of gei ases is— living in russia. you kind of get used to this— living in russia. you kind of get used to this certain level of get used to this certain level si ahsarsiiw— get used to this certain level of absurdity because some events in of absurdity because some events is sa— of absurdity because some events is hie— of absurdity because some events is liie iasi— of absurdity because some events in our life just turn— of absurdity because some events in our life just turn out to be surreal. last— in our life just turn out to be surreal. last week , a coup surreal. last week, a coup attempts— surreal. last week, a coup attempt, though, did take this level— attempt, though, did take this level si— attempt, though, did take this level of absurdity to a whole level— level of absurdity to a whole new level because just think ahsai— new level because just think ahsai ii.— new level because just think about it. what— new level because just think about it. what is— new level because just think about it. what is the symbol of the about it. what is the symbol of ihe wragser-s— about it. what is the symbol of the wagner's failed coup aiiemaie— the wagner's failed coup attempt? it's— the wagner's failed coup attempt? it's a tank stuck in ihe— attempt? it's a tank stuck in he gases— attempt? it's a tank stuck in ihe gaies si— attempt? it's a tank stuck in the gates of rostov circus. ism-i— the gates of rostov circus. iss-i ii— the gates of rostov circus. isn't it ridiculous? can it get any— isn't it ridiculous? can it get asw msse— isn't it ridiculous? can it get any more ridiculous than that? if i any more ridiculous than that? ii i was— any more ridiculous than that? if i was watching— any more ridiculous than that? if i was watching on this on, i ass-i— if i was watching on this on, i ass-i mew,— if i was watching on this on, i don't know, some— if i was watching on this on, i don't know, some netflix tv shsw,— don't know, some netflix tv shsw, i— don't know, some netflix tv show, i would— don't know, some netflix tv show, i would say now that can haaaes— show, i would say now that can haaaes is— show, i would say now that can haaaes is-liie— show, i would say now that can haaaes is-liie .— show, i would say now that can happen in-life . i- show, i would say now that can happen in life . i think happen in real life. i think mssi— happen in real life. i think msssasi-- happen in real life. i think most-can relate. happen in real life. i think most can relate to happen in real life. i think- most-can relate to this most russians can relate to this ieeiisg— most russians can relate to this ieeiisg-iasi— most russians can relate to this feeling-just watch- feeling when we just watch a hsllwwsss— feeling when we just watch a hollywood movie and we say ihai-s— hollywood movie and we say ihai-s ssi— hollywood movie and we say that's not how— hollywood movie and we say that's not how we are. but well , wiihsai— that's not how we are. but well , without pointing— that's not how we are. but well , without pointing fingers, wiihsai— , without pointing fingers, without pointing fingers, you iasi— without pointing fingers, you iasi iesh— without pointing fingers, you can just look at— without pointing fingers, you can just look at some of the iases— can just look at some of the iases si— can just look at some of the iases si ihe— can just look at some of the faces of the heroes of this sisrw. — faces of the heroes of this srsrw. ass — faces of the heroes of this srsrw. ass is — faces of the heroes of this story. and to me, they do look like— story. and to me, they do look like hollywood _ story. and to me, they do look like hollywood villains. i just hsae— like hollywood villains. i just hsae-will— like hollywood villains. i just hope -will stay- like hollywood villains. i just hope will stay away from hope they will stay away from isassia— hope they will stay away from isassia ass — hope they will stay away from russia and won't— hope they will stay away from russia and won't bother us asmswre— russia and won't bother us anymore . well,- russia and won't bother us anymore . part; ;rt;,vs

on for longer next time. alexei are moscow talking are there in moscow talking live. russian journalist are there in moscow talking live. let's russian journalist are there in moscow talking live. let's traveln journalist are there in moscow talking live. let's traveln jouto ilist . well, let's travel over to america , head over to los america now, head over to los angeles speak to the host angeles and speak to the host of the politics podcast , the politics people podcast, paul duddridge. very paul duddridge. it's very practised me saying politics people podcast. not easy. people podcast. it's not easy. paul people podcast. it's not easy. paul, welcome. now trump let's talk trump because he holds his first rally since the espionage indictment and talk talk to me about what's been going on. well , yes. i about what's been going on. well, yes. i mean, it's been a chock filled week. trump came back chock filled week. trump came hash aiier— chock filled week. trump came back after his— chock filled week. trump came back after his ,_ chock filled week. trump came back after his , what— �*7 trump came back after his , what was it, 37 back after his, what was it, 37 isiisimesi— back after his, what was it, 37 issisimesi. — back after his, what was it, 37 indictment. it's— back after his, what was it, 37 indictment. it's 37- back after his, what was it, 37 indictment. e i’éi�* pr: i indictment. it's 37 indictments. and indictment. it's 37 indictments. ass wsa-s— indictment. it's 37 indictments. ass wsa-s ihish— indictment. it's 37 indictments. and you'd think that— indictment. e i’éi�* pr: i and you'd think that would dent his asaalariiw— and you'd think that would dent his popularity yesterday day, he heis— his popularity yesterday day, he hell a— his popularity yesterday day, he hell a railw— his popularity yesterday day, he hell a railw is— his popularity yesterday day, he held a rally in south carolina, the held a rally in south carolina, ihe iirsi— held a rally in south carolina, the first proper— held a rally in south carolina, the first proper rally since hal— the first proper rally since we've had those indictments. asl— we've had those indictments. ass-sslw— we've had those indictments. and-only managed- we've had those indictments. and-only managed to- we've had those indictments. and-only managed to get. we've had those indictments. and he only managed to get a 20,000 crowd, 15,000 of whom were there two hours before they were there two hours before they were queuing up from 8:00 in the morning. the town he held and ihis— morning. the town he held and ihis is— morning. the town he held and ihis is aishisg— morning. the town he held and this is picking south— pg the town he held and this is picking south carolina , this is picking south carolina, the this is picking south carolina, ihe isws— this is picking south carolina, ihe isws he— this is picking south carolina, the town he held— this is picking south carolina, the town he held the rally in has— the town he held the rally in has sslw— the town he held the rally in has sslw gsi— the town he held the rally in has sslw gsi a— the town he held the rally in has only got a population of soee- — has only got a population of soee- ss— has only got a population of soee- ss ii— has only got a population of 3000. so it was- has only got a population of 3000. e t e t 3000. so it was like it was like a conservative. glastonbury it

was amazing turnout yesterday. asl— was amazing turnout yesterday. asl he-s— was amazing turnout yesterday. asl he-s wsa— was amazing turnout yesterday. and he's you know, he's back on srashisg— and he's you know, he's back on srashisg isrm — and he's you know, he's back on cracking form and— and he's you know, he's back on cracking form and he's very , cracking form and he's very, werw— cracking form and he's very, werw aasshw— cracking form and he's very, very punchy, shall we say . he's very punchy, shall we say. he's leiisiielw— very punchy, shall we say. he's definitely taking— very punchy, shall we say. he's definitely taking the fight to the definitely taking the fight to he hems. — definitely taking the fight to the dems. he's— definitely taking the fight to the dems. he's openly in the saeesh— the dems. he's openly in the saeesh sayings— the dems. he's openly in the speech saying, look , i will take speech saying, look, i will take any— speech saying, look, i will take any punishment— speech saying, look, i will take any punishment they throw at me hesse— any punishment they throw at me hesse ihew— any punishment they throw at me because they have— any punishment they throw at me because they have to come ihrsagh— because they have to come ihrsagh me— because they have to come through me to— because they have to come through me to get to you kind of ihisg. — through me to get to you kind of ihisg. ss— through me to get to you kind of rhisg. ss he-s— through me to get to you kind of thing. so he's very— through me to get to you kind of thing. so he's very he's esiswisg— thing. so he's very he's esiswisg a— thing. so he's very he's enjoying a very good run at the msmem— enjoying a very good run at the sssssesi werw— enjoying a very good run at the moment, very riding high in the asils. — moment, very riding high in the asils. he-s— moment, very riding high in the asils. we-s sews— moment, very riding high in the polls. he's 52% just among, i mish— polls. he's 52% just among, i ihish wiih— polls. he's 52% just among, i think with yougov. he's four asisis— think with yougov. he's four asisis aheal— think with yougov. he's four points ahead of— think with yougov. he's four points ahead of biden. he's 52 asisis. — points ahead of biden. he's 52 asisis. saaasii— points ahead of biden. he's 52 points. support in— points ahead of biden. he's 52 points. support in the republican- points. support in the republican voters . so republican voters. so everything's- republican voters. so everything's actually coming up iramas— everything's actually coming up iramas iss— everything's actually coming up trumps for trump— everything's actually coming up trumps for trump at the moment. but trumps for trump at the moment. hai he— trumps for trump at the moment. hai he has— trumps for trump at the moment. hai he has iasi— trumps for trump at the moment. but he has just been the witch ham— but he has just been the witch hunt continues— but he has just been the witch hunt continues by— but he has just been the witch hunt continues by the way, we i— hunt continues by the way, we i iasi— hunt continues by the way, we now i just said— hunt continues by the way, we now i just said there was 37 sharges— now i just said there was 37 charges there— now i just said there was 37 charges there just about to hrisg— charges there just about to bring between— charges there just about to bring between 30 and 45 more sharges— bring between 30 and 45 more sharges. ihe— bring between 30 and 45 more charges. the department of iasrise— charges. the department of iasiise are— charges. the department of justice are about to throw even ai— justice are about to throw even ai him. — justice are about to throw even more at him. so— justice are about to throw even more at him. so halloween's ssmimg— more at him. so halloween's ssmisg earlw— more at him. so halloween's coming early witch hunt in full swisg— coming early witch hunt in full swisg hsw— coming early witch hunt in full swisg :— coming early witch hunt in full swing now , what— coming early witch hunt in full swing now , what about biden? swing now, what about biden? hesaase— swing now, what about biden? hesaase he— swing now, what about biden? because he twice— swing now, what about biden? because he twice claimed- swing now, what about biden? because he twice claimed that putin losing the war in iraq

putin is losing the war in iraq . yeah putin is so on the ball. he's so ahead of the game . um, he's so ahead of the game. um, wse— he's so ahead of the game. um, we gsi— he's so ahead of the game. um, we gsi wsar— he's so ahead of the game. um, you've got your russia correspondent there , your russia correspondent there, your russia ssrresasslesi— correspondent there, your russia correspondent had— correspondent there, your russia correspondent had no idea that saris-s— correspondent had no idea that saris-s lssisg— correspondent had no idea that putin's losing the— correspondent had no idea that putin's losing the war in iraq. asl— putin's losing the war in iraq. asl wsa— putin's losing the war in iraq. asl wsa mighi— putin's losing the war in iraq. and you might think it just and you might think it was just a—issgae.— and you might think it was just a—issgae. hai- and you might think it was just a_tongue. but he. a slip of the tongue. but he sail— a slip of the tongue. but he sail ii— a slip of the tongue. but he sail ii iws— a slip of the tongue. but he said it two days.— a slip of the tongue. but he said it two days. he said it two laws— said it two days. he said it two laws rassisg— said it two days. he said it two days running. he— said it two days. he said it two days running. he said two days running. he said it two laws—leas- days running. he said it two| days—dear. now, days running. he said it two- days_dear. now, this days running. oh dear. now, this islaersss— days running. oh dear. now, this islaersss .— days running. oh dear. now, this islperson . well,— days running. oh dear. now, this is person . well, anyway, like is a person. well, anyway, like i is a person. well, anyway, like i sail— is a person. well, anyway, like i said, president— is a person. well, anyway, like i said, president biden is doing reallw— i said, president biden is doing reallw well — i said, president biden is doing really well. her— i said, president biden is doing really well. her husband, joe, has—lssi- really well. her husband, joe, has—lssi ii.- really well. her husband, joe, has—lost it. he. really well. her husband, joe, has—lost it. he isi really well. her husband, joe,l has—lost it. he is he has completely lost it. he is he ihishs— has completely lost it. he is he now thinks that— has completely lost it. he is he now thinks that russia is at war asl— now thinks that russia is at war asl is— now thinks that russia is at war asl is lssisg— now thinks that russia is at war and is losing the— now thinks that russia is at war and is losing the war specifically- and is losing the war specifically in iraq. and nobody is— specifically in iraq. and nobody is he— specifically in iraq. and nobody seems to be trying to correct him— seems to be trying to correct him sr— seems to be trying to correct him or apologise— seems to be trying to correct him or apologise anymore. the whsle— him or apologise anymore. the whsle ihisg— him or apologise anymore. the whole thing is— him or apologise anymore. the whole thing is just, uh, it's iihe— whole thing is just, uh, it's lihe ihe— whole thing is just, uh, it's like the last— whole thing is just, uh, it's like the last day of school where— like the last day of school where wsa— like the last day of school where you can— like the last day of school where you can bring in colouring hsshs— where you can bring in colouring hsshs ai— where you can bring in colouring hsshs ai ihe— where you can bring in colouring books at the white— where you can bring in colouring books at the white at books at the white house, at the sssssesi — books at the white house, at the sssssesi _h— books at the white house, at the moment. vv/rt;~pr anyway, moment. so he is, yes. anyway, he is. — moment. so he is, yes. anyway, he is. he-s— moment. so he is, yes. anyway, he is. he's leading— moment. so he is, yes. anyway, he is. he's leading the- moment. vv/rt;~pr anyway, he is. he's leading the free wall— he is. he's leading the free wsrll ai— he is. he's leading the free world at the— he is. he's leading the free world at the moment and we shsall— world at the moment and we shsall all— world at the moment and we should all feel— world at the moment and we should all feel safe . . writ; should all feel safe. kyiv well, i should all feel safe. kyiv well, i lashi— should all feel safe. kyiv well, i doubt that we will do with joe biden at the helm. thank you so much, paul duddridge, really good talk paul good to talk to you. paul duddridge, of politics duddridge, host of the politics people the

people podcast. out now on the subject pylons, love this subject of pylons, i love this one. ronald sold. he sent a message said, pylons message and he said, pylons in your not joke. your back garden is not a joke. high voltage electrostatic high voltage and electrostatic fields your fields coursing through your body 24 over seven, including when you're bed, is sheer when you're in bed, is sheer stupidity in relation to developing cancers . what about developing cancers. what about kids playing in the garden all day as form of radar? radio day as a form of radar? radio and electronics engineer? i would certainly not buy want would certainly not buy or want my house in close proximity. 1 to 1 of these in fields where they that's but they belong. that's fine, but not my house. so there not crossing my house. so there you go. so that's maybe the government needs to have a think about that. this is gb news is very next a very excited in the next hour, a fabulous outside guest. all of that on way after . that on the way after. five so good afternoon. it's just gone 5:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel and nana akua . now for the next nana akua. now for the next houn nana akua. now for the next hour, me and panel will be hour, me and my panel will be taking some of big topics taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines now hitting the headlines right now in just moment, i will be

in just a moment, i will be joined by a british tennis legend . she won wimbledon back legend. she won wimbledon back in 1977. she is an absolute , in 1977. she is an absolute, absolute, absolute fantastic player . she was also the most player. she was also the most recent british tennis player to win a major singles tournament until andy won murray the 20 2012 us open and was the most recent british woman to have won a major singles title with emma raducanu , who won the 2021 us raducanu, who won the 2021 us open. she's a huge celebrity, a huge star. she will be live in a couple of moments time then for the great british debate. this i'm asking would we should we renationalise the water industry? first, let's get industry? but first, let's get your latest news headlines . your latest news headlines. good afternoon . it's 5:01 good afternoon. it's 5:01 s-slssh.— good afternoon. it's 5:01 s-slssh. im— good afternoon. it's 5:01 o'clock. i'm rhiannon jones in ihe— o'clock. i'm rhiannon jones in the newsroom— o'clock. i'm rhiannon jones in the newsroom .— o'clock. i'm rhiannon jones in the newsroom . i'm the french the newsroom. i'm the french gswersmesi— the newsroom. i'm the french government will— the newsroom. i'm the french government will hold crisis ialhs— government will hold crisis iaihs ihis— government will hold crisis talks this evening to address the talks this evening to address ihe shil— talks this evening to address the civil unrest— talks this evening to address the civil unrest after a fifth sighi— the civil unrest after a fifth sighi si— the civil unrest after a fifth night of riots— the civil unrest after a fifth night of riots .— the civil unrest after a fifth night of riots . more the civil unrest after a fifth night of riots. more than the civil unrest after a fifth night of riots . more than 700 night of riots. more than 700 aesaie— night of riots. more than 700 aesaie wee— night of riots. more than 700 people were arrested across the

ssasirw— people were arrested across the country overnight— people were arrested across the country overnight with tear gas asel— country overnight with tear gas asel is— country overnight with tear gas used to disperse— country overnight with tear gas used to disperse crowds in iiarseille. — used to disperse crowds in marseille. the— used to disperse crowds in marseille. the violence follows the marseille. the violence follows ihe leaih— marseille. the violence follows ihe leaih si— marseille. the violence follows the death of teenager noel iierzsah— the death of teenager noel merzouk, who— the death of teenager noel merzouk, who was shot dead by asiise— merzouk, who was shot dead by aslise ss— merzouk, who was shot dead by police on tuesday— merzouk, who was shot dead by police on tuesday in the saaiial— police on tuesday in the capital. there- police on tuesday in the capital. there was a huge police presence protecting the champs—elysees. presence protecting the champs—elysees . the city's champs—elysees. the city's regissai— champs—elysees. the city's regional president, valerie pecresse, says— regional president, valerie pecresse, says security is being hsssiel— pecresse, says security is being hsssiel asl— pecresse, says security is being boosted and she's— pecresse, says security is being boosted and she's confident srler— boosted and she's confident srler will— boosted and she's confident order will be _ boosted and she's confident order will be restored . �*vpivpp order will be restored. what's haaaesisg— order will be restored. what's happening is ultra violent by small groups of people that are very well organised and very well trained and they want to defy the republic and the repubuc defy the republic and the republic will not yield and we will fight back . while the will fight back. while the regional president also met a mayor whose home was ram raided and set alight in a parisian suburb , his wife and one of his suburb, his wife and one of his children were hurt . prosecutors children were hurt. prosecutors say an attempted— rip r: ”rt;p rrrt:”rt; ”e prosecutors say an attempted murder investigation— say an attempted murder investigation has now been saesel— investigation has now been saesel .— investigation has now been saesel . asl— investigation has now been opened . and french journalist opened. and french journalist

asissis— opened. and french journalist antonin andre— opened. and french journalist antonin andre says it's put more pressure on president emmanuel iiasrss— pressure on president emmanuel iiasrss . — pressure on president emmanuel iiasrss . his— pressure on president emmanuel macron . his family— pressure on president emmanuel macron . tar rrrt;”rt; pressure on president emmanuel macron . tar ht ht macron. his family were were attacked in in his house during the night and his wife and his two children are too left the house in emergency because there was fire in the house and this is what is very shocking thing this morning. is what is very shocking thing this morning . and every every this morning. and every every mayors in france wants that. the state and emmanuel macron take take more, more , more measures take more, more, more measures to stop the chaos . well, some to stop the chaos. well, some hriiish— to stop the chaos. well, some british tourists _ to stop the chaos. well, some british tourists in— to stop the chaos. well, some british tourists in the- i well, some british tourists in the capital say— british tourists in the capital saw ihew— british tourists in the capital saw ihew ls— british tourists in the capital say they do still— british tourists in the capital say they do still feel safe lesaiie— say they do still feel safe lesaire ihe— say they do still feel safe despite the unrest . �*irilirt ii: despite the unrest. we checked out despite the unrest. we checked sai ihe— despite the unrest. we checked out the news. we think- despite the unrest. �*irilirt ii: we think it's out the news. we think it's ahssiaieiw— out the news. we think it's absolutely fine. _ we think it's absolutely fine. there's so many ihisgs— absolutely fine. there's so many ihisgs gsisg— absolutely fine. there's so many ihisgs gsisg ss— absolutely fine. there's so many things going on in— absolutely fine. there's so many things going on in the world. if you— things going on in the world. if wsa-ewerwihisg- you listen to everything, you'd never travel. we've been to paris before. it's got the same feel it . you can see that feel about it. you can see that it's a lovely city. and, it's still a lovely city. and, you know, we haven't come across any problems . two people have any problems. two people have

heem— any problems. two people have less hillel— any problems. two people have been killed and— any problems. two people have been killed and three- two people have been killed and three are in a sriiisal— been killed and three are in a critical condition— been killed and three are in a critical condition after a mass shssiisg— critical condition after a mass shssiisg is— critical condition after a mass shooting in the— critical condition after a mass shooting in the us state of iiarwlasl. — shooting in the us state of maryland. police say up to 30 aesale— maryland. police say up to 30 people suffered— maryland. police say up to 30 people suffered gunshot wounds larisg— people suffered gunshot wounds larisg ihe— people suffered gunshot wounds during the attack,— people suffered gunshot wounds during the attack, which took alase— during the attack, which took alase is— during the attack, which took alase is he — during the attack, which took place in the city— during the attack, which took place in the city of baltimore, where— place in the city of baltimore, where aesale— place in the city of baltimore, where people had gathered for an ewesr— where people had gathered for an ewesi sailel— where people had gathered for an event called brooklyn day. the sasaesi— event called brooklyn day. the sasaesi sr— event called brooklyn day. the suspect or suspects , are suspect or suspects, are reasriellw— suspect or suspects, are reportedly still at large . reportedly still at large. rarage.— reportedly still at large. rarage. ihe— reportedly still at large. farage. the us president will meei— farage. the us president will meei hisg— farage. the us president will meet king charles and the prime iiisisier— meet king charles and the prime iiisisier whes— meet king charles and the prime minister when he— meet king charles and the prime minister when he visits the uk sexi— minister when he visits the uk sexi weeh. — minister when he visits the uk next week. buckingham palace has sssiirmel— next week. buckingham palace has sssiirmel iee— next week. buckingham palace has confirmed joe biden will visit wrislssr— confirmed joe biden will visit windsor castle— confirmed joe biden will visit windsor castle on the 10th of raw.— windsor castle on the 10th of ialw. ihe— windsor castle on the 10th of ialw. ihe wwsiie— windsor castle on the 10th of july. the white house says he's irawellisg— july. the white house says he's irawellisg is — july. the white house says he's travelling to london to strengthen _ travelling to london to strengthen the close relationship between the saiisss— relationship between the nations. he'll— relationship between the nations. he'll then head to liihaasia— nations. he'll then head to lithuania for— nations. he'll then head to lithuania for the nato summit heisre— lithuania for the nato summit heisre gsisg— lithuania for the nato summit heisre gsisg is— lithuania for the nato summit before going to finland . new before going to finland. new measures to deal with disruptive demonstrations— measures to deal with disruptive demonstrations have come into ise— demonstrations have come into ise ihew— demonstrations have come into force. they include expanded aslise— force. they include expanded aslise aswes— force. they include expanded police powers to— force. they include expanded police powers to move on static or police powers to move on static sr slew— police powers to move on static or slow walking _ police powers to move on static or slow walking protests . tests or slow walking protests. tests lihe— or slow walking protests. tests lihe ihsse— or slow walking protests. tests like those used— or slow walking protests. tests like those used by just stop on.— like those used by just stop sil a— like those used by just stop oil, a criminal— like those used by just stop oil, a criminal offence to iashle— oil, a criminal offence to tackle disruption in tunnels has

aiss— tackle disruption in tunnels has alss heem— tackle disruption in tunnels has also been introduced, carrying jail also been introduced, carrying iaii ierms— also been introduced, carrying iaii rerms si— also been introduced, carrying jail terms of up— also been introduced, carrying jail terms of up to three years. sriiiss— jail terms of up to three years. sriiiss saw— jail terms of up to three years. critics say the _ jail terms of up to three years. critics say the laws threaten ihe— critics say the laws threaten ihe righi— critics say the laws threaten ihe righi is — critics say the laws threaten the right to protest . more the right to protest. more meanwhile,— the right to protest. more meanwhile, five just stop oil asiiwisis— meanwhile, five just stop oil activists have— meanwhile, five just stop oil activists have been charged with hehawisar— activists have been charged with behaviour likely— activists have been charged with behaviour likely to _ activists have been charged with behaviour likely to cause harassment— behaviour likely to cause harassment alarm or distress. they— harassment alarm or distress. ihew wee— harassment alarm or distress. they were arrested for lisraaiisg— they were arrested for disrupting london's pride. march wesierlaw— disrupting london's pride. march wesierlaw. iws— disrupting london's pride. march yesterday. two others were releasel— yesterday. two others were released on _ yesterday. two others were released on bail pending further isgairies— released on bail pending further isgairies .— released on bail pending further isgairies . ihe— released on bail pending further inquiries . the government says inquiries. the government says it's determined— inquiries. the government says it's determined to— inquiries. the government says it's determined to stop migrant hsais— it's determined to stop migrant hsais ssmisg— it's determined to stop migrant boats coming to— it's determined to stop migrant boats coming to britain despite the boats coming to britain despite ihe legal— boats coming to britain despite the legal setback. minister sihers— the legal setback. minister sihers are— the legal setback. minister others are preparing to appeal. a seari— others are preparing to appeal. a court decision— others are preparing to appeal. a court decision which blocked the deportation— a court decision which blocked the deportation of asylum seehers— the deportation of asylum seehers is— the deportation of asylum seekers to rwanda . the health seekers to rwanda. the health sesreiarw— seekers to rwanda. the health secretary, steve— seekers to rwanda. the health secretary, steve barclay, says if secretary, steve barclay, says ii ssmisg— secretary, steve barclay, says ii ssihisg is— secretary, steve barclay, says if nothing is done to stop the hsais— if nothing is done to stop the hsais .— if nothing is done to stop the hsais , ihe— if nothing is done to stop the boats , the costs— if nothing is done to stop the boats , the costs could spiral. boats, the costs could spiral. heashisg— boats, the costs could spiral. heashisg aa— boats, the costs could spiral. heashisg aa is— boats, the costs could spiral. reaching up to £11 billion. ihish— reaching up to £11 billion. ihish wsar— reaching up to £11 billion. think your viewers- reaching up to £11 billion. think your viewers want the government to take action? that is what we're doing. we're doing so in a way that clearly complies with the legal process, but it's important we now take

this to the supreme court. the prime the home prime minister, the home secretary are determined to stop the boats and if we don't, then there'll a huge cost . well. there'll be a huge cost. well. barrister lord carlile- ; pgt i well. barrister lord carlile says the arsassal— barrister lord carlile says the arsassai is— barrister lord carlile says the proposal is unlawful . proposal is unlawful. the government— proposal is unlawful. the government is— proposal is unlawful. the government is not upholding the law and they've approached this whole bill in a completely legally non—compliant way on the bafis legally non—compliant way on the basis of this bill is that there is a safe country or safe countries to send refuge kyrees to. but in fact they're only offering one safe country, and that's rwanda . so the proposal that's rwanda. so the proposal is in tatters . it is unlawful. is in tatters. it is unlawful. it is leading to people being kept in custody when they should not be kept in custody . and rail not be kept in custody. and rail passengers not be kept in custody. and rail aassesgers are— not be kept in custody. and rail passengers are facing- not be kept in custody. and rail passengers are facing yet- p i: and rail passengers are facing yet more lisraaiiss— passengers are facing yet more lisraaiiss se— passengers are facing yet more disruption over the next week, asisi— disruption over the next week, aslef members— disruption over the next week, aslef members at 16 train ssmaasies— aslef members at 16 train companies in— aslef members at 16 train companies in england will refuse to companies in england will refuse is wsrh— companies in england will refuse to work overtime,— companies in england will refuse to work overtime, which saeraisrs— to work overtime, which operators rely- to work overtime, which operators rely on to run their iaih— operators rely on to run their full timetable— operators rely on to run their full timetable .— operators rely on to run their full timetable . the union says full timetable. the union says it's full timetable. the union says is sallisg— full timetable. the union says it's calling for— full timetable. the union says it's calling for fair pay, but he— it's calling for fair pay, but he rail— it's calling for fair pay, but the rail delivery group says asisi— the rail delivery group says aslef rejected _

the rail delivery group says aslef rejected its last offer of a eases— aslef rejected its last offer of a £5,000 raise,— aslef rejected its last offer of a £5,000 raise, which would hrisg— a £5,000 raise, which would hrisg ihe— a £5,000 raise, which would bring the basic— a £5,000 raise, which would bring the basic salary for lasers— bring the basic salary for drivers working a four day week to drivers working a four day week is searlw— drivers working a four day week to nearly 6000— drivers working a four day week to nearly 6000 £5,000. services will— to nearly 6000 £5,000. services will he— to nearly 6000 £5,000. services will be affected _ to nearly 6000 £5,000. services will be affected from monday ihrsagh— will be affected from monday ihrsagh is— will be affected from monday through to saturday. this is gb news. — through to saturday. this is gb news. ire-ll— through to saturday. this is gb news. we'll bring— through to saturday. this is gb news. we'll bring you more as it haaaess— news. we'll bring you more as it haaaess. hsw,— news. we'll bring you more as it happens. now, though, it's back is— happens. now, though, it's back is nasa— happens. now, though, it's back is wasa .— over to nana. i ssal- over to nana. good afternoon. welcome on board. this is gb news on tv , board. this is gb news on tv, onune board. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio . i'm online and on digital radio. i'm nana and for the next hour, nana akua and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on the big topics on some of the big topics hitting headlines right now. hitting the headlines right now. this all about opinion. this show is all about opinion. it's it's theirs. and of it's mine, it's theirs. and of course, yours. we'll be course, it's yours. we'll be debating , discussing, and debating, discussing, and at times disagree. but no times we will disagree. but no one cancelled . so one will be cancelled. so joining me today is broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. and ofsted gb news, senior political commentator nigel nelson. now still to come, i'm very excited

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this will differentiate your channel from all the other establishment owned and influenced channels. interesting. i'll have to go and have a look at that. i don't know what that means, but i'm sure somebody else could tell me. a few of me. but there's quite a few of you who guessed who my you who have guessed who my guest this week's outside guest is. my this week's outside guest. to say, well guest. i've got to say, well done you got guest. i've got to say, well dcright, you got guest. i've got to say, well dcright, because you got guest. i've got to say, well dcright, because it's you got guest. i've got to say, well dcright, because it's timeu got it right, because it's time for this outside. special this week's outside. my special mystery a female mystery guest was a female british tennis star. she's won three grand slams over her career, including the us open, the open and the the australian open and the coveted wimbledon title as well . she was the most recent british female tennis player to have a grand slam until emma have won a grand slam until emma raducanu stormed to victory in the 2021 us open final . our the 2021 us open final. our tennis star played against some of the sporting greats, including betty stove and billie jean king, chris evert lloyd or chris evert. now in 1982, she became the first woman ever to became the first woman ever to be elected to the wimbledon committee , and her career committee, and her career spanned a total of 26 years. and she features regularly as a she now features regularly as a tennis in major tennis pundit in major tournaments. tomorrow's wimbledon kicks off. so i

thought it would be fitting to have woman in the have this wonderful woman in the hot who than today? hot seat. who better than today? my mystery guest virginia my mystery guest being virginia wade. virginia wade. wow. it's so great. wonderful that was a fabulous talk— so great. wonderful that was a fabulous talk up— so great. wonderful that was a fabulous talk up for— so great. wonderful that was a fabulous talk up for me.- g htrpt : that was a fabulous talk up for me. i feel gale— fabulous talk up for me. i feel quite embarrassed, actually . you quite embarrassed, actually. you hssh— quite embarrassed, actually. you hssw, im— quite embarrassed, actually. you hssw, i-m sili— quite embarrassed, actually. you know, i'm still very— quite embarrassed, actually. you know, i'm still very involved in iessis— know, i'm still very involved in iessis hai— know, i'm still very involved in tennis, but not— know, i'm still very involved in tennis, but not to— know, i'm still very involved in tennis, but not to the same exiesi— tennis, but not to the same exiesi i— tennis, but not to the same extent i was. _ tennis, but not to the same extent i was. so— tennis, but not to the same extent i was. so you know, i live— extent i was. so you know, i live is— extent i was. so you know, i live is ihe— extent i was. so you know, i live in the present and i forget mai— live in the present and i forget that sometimes— live in the present and i forget that sometimes that i did all ihsse— that sometimes that i did all ihsse ihisgs.— that sometimes that i did all those things. but what a great sassi. — those things. but what a great sassi. asl— those things. but what a great sport. and wimbledon is about to haaaes— sport. and wimbledon is about to haaaes . — sport. and wimbledon is about to haaaes . hal— sport. and wimbledon is about to haaaes . has wsa— sport. and wimbledon is about to happen . sport. and wimbledon is about to happen. t happen. but, you know, it is. so i'm slightly starstruck, to be honest, because i used to watch you. i used to watch you playing against the likes of chris evert and all that. they were when and all that. and they were when i they big i was younger, they were the big tennis day. tennis tennis stars of the day. tennis was is actually . and was it still is actually. and always, still is a really big , always, still is a really big, big game, isn't it? and everyone all eyes are go to wimbledon. what made you decide to be a tennis player to begin with ? tennis player to begin with? you know, sometimes the arsiessiss— you know, sometimes the profession decides you, you hssh— profession decides you, you hssw, i— profession decides you, you

hssw, i iasi— profession decides you, you know, i just love to play tennis . i know, i just love to play tennis . i was— know, i just love to play tennis . i was competitive. my elder sisier— . i was competitive. my elder sisier asl— . i was competitive. my elder sisier asl mw— . i was competitive. my elder sister and my brother played. asl— sister and my brother played. asl ss— sister and my brother played. asl ss i— sister and my brother played. and so i wanted— sister and my brother played. and so i wanted to play. and rhes— and so i wanted to play. and ihes smse— and so i wanted to play. and ihes i— and so i wanted to play. and then once i played, i found i areriw— then once i played, i found i areirw gssl— then once i played, i found i was pretty good. and that was all i— was pretty good. and that was all i reallw— was pretty good. and that was all i really wanted to do. alihsagh— all i really wanted to do. alihsagh mw— all i really wanted to do. although my father insisted that i although my father insisted that i iisishel— although my father insisted that i finished university before i wesi— i finished university before i wesi-.— i finished university before i wesi-. ss- i finished university before i wesi-. ss mw- i finished university before i went . so my career i finished university before i- went-. so my career was went full time. so my career was a liiile— went full time. so my career was a liiile hir— went full time. so my career was a little bit later— went full time. so my career was a little bit later than aswhslw-s— a little bit later than anybody's career is now. but, you— anybody's career is now. but, wsa hssw— anybody's career is now. but, wsa hssw :— anybody's career is now. but, wsa hssw , is— anybody's career is now. but, you know , in some ways it's the you know, in some ways it's the as islaw-s— you know, in some ways it's the same as today's world. but in masw— same as today's world. but in masw waws— same as today's world. but in masw waws iis— same as today's world. but in many ways it's so— same as today's world. but in many ways it's so different . many ways it's so different. ihere— many ways it's so different. ihere are— many ways it's so different. there are so— many ways it's so different. there are so many great players , ss iis— there are so many great players , ss ii-s sssi— there are so many great players , ss ii-s ssri si— there are so many great players , so it's sort of like— there are so many great players , so it's sort of like a real ariwiiege— , so it's sort of like a real ariwilege is— , so it's sort of like a real privilege to know that we were in privilege to know that we were is mai— privilege to know that we were in that burgeoning time when the game— in that burgeoning time when the game asl— in that burgeoning time when the game and especially the women's game,— game and especially the women's game, iasi— game and especially the women's game, just blossomed. so in the 705,— game, just blossomed. so in the iss wsa— game, just blossomed. so in the iss, wsa hssw,— game, just blossomed. so in the 70s, you know, it— game, just blossomed. so in the 70s, you know, it was huge. i les-i— 70s, you know, it was huge. i lss-i ihish— 70s, you know, it was huge. i don't think today's players realise— don't think today's players realise quite— don't think today's players realise quite how big tennis was in realise quite how big tennis was is he— realise quite how big tennis was is he iss— realise quite how big tennis was is he iss wsa— realise quite how big tennis was in the 70s, you know, and then whes— in the 70s, you know, and then whes hisrs — in the 70s, you know, and then when bjorn borg,— in the 70s, you know, and then when bjorn borg, for example, alssg— when bjorn borg, for example, came along and— when bjorn borg, for example, came along and everybody would go came along and everybody would gs asl— came along and everybody would gs asl ihew-l— came along and everybody would gs asl ihew-l he— came along and everybody would go and they'd be wearing the lime— go and they'd be wearing the little _outfits_ go and they'd be wearing the little _outfits and - go and they'd be wearing the little outfits and that little filler outfits and that asl— little filler outfits and that asl wsa — little filler outfits and that and you know— little filler outfits and that and you know ,_ little filler outfits and that and you know , it's just gone and you know, it's just gone irsm— and you know, it's just gone from strength— and you know, it's just gone from strength to— and you know, it's just gone from strength to strength . it's from strength to strength. it's aiasiasiis— from strength to strength. it's a fantastic sport.— from strength to strength. it's a fantastic sport. it's good for

ewerwhslw— a fantastic sport. it's good for ewerwhslw asl— a fantastic sport. it's good for everybody and it's great that gsi— everybody and it's great that gsi a— everybody and it's great that we've got a lot— everybody and it's great that we've got a lot of young british alawers— we've got a lot of young british alawers lsisg— we've got a lot of young british players doing well now. vv/rt;rp p players doing well now. yeah, ahssi— players doing well now. yeah, ahsai lime.— players doing well now. yeah, about time, really. but when you when you were starting out in tennis, because it was very it was quite i know it was very big when we were younger, but there was differentiation was a real differentiation between the women's game and the men's notice that men's game. have you notice that that things have changed and now the women's women's is the women's women's tennis is coming up to the same sort of because got more. because the men got paid more. everything bigger and geared everything was bigger and geared towards the men. people towards the men. some people didn't even want to watch women's it all. women's tennis. i loved it all. but have you seen that sort of that gap closed and things change? well, the only place where— change? well, the only place where mai— change? well, the only place where ihai gaa— change? well, the only place where that gap has- ripppgt;7’ well, the only place where that gap has been a little bit where that gap has been a little hii slew— where that gap has been a little hii slsw is— where that gap has been a little hii slsw is is— where that gap has been a little bit slow to to change, equalise wiih— bit slow to to change, equalise wiih ihe— bit slow to to change, equalise wiih ihe mes— bit slow to to change, equalise with the men and— bit slow to to change, equalise with the men and the women , is with the men and the women, is sill— with the men and the women, is siill ss— with the men and the women, is siill ss ihe— with the men and the women, is still on the slow— with the men and the women, is still on the slow clay courts of iarsae — still on the slow clay courts of europe because _ still on the slow clay courts of europe because the men's game mighi— europe because the men's game mighi he— europe because the men's game mighi he a— europe because the men's game might be a little— europe because the men's game might be a little bit more stimulating— might be a little bit more stimulating on— might be a little bit more stimulating on the slow clay. whereas— stimulating on the slow clay. whereas ss— stimulating on the slow clay. whereas on the— stimulating on the slow clay. whereas on the fast records, i ihish— whereas on the fast records, i ihish is— whereas on the fast records, i ihish is he— whereas on the fast records, i think to be honest, the women's game— think to be honest, the women's game is— think to be honest, the women's game is mash— think to be honest, the women's game is much better visual thing hesse— game is much better visual thing hesse wsa— game is much better visual thing because you know,— game is much better visual thing because you know, the men is bum , ham— because you know, the men is bum , ham ham— because you know, the men is bum , ham ham ham.— because you know, the men is bum , bum, bum bum. and there are no

rallies— , bum, bum bum. and there are no rallies-ihe— , bum, bum bum. and there are no rallies-the women's- , bum, bum bum. and there are no rallies the women's they rallies where the women's they are rallies where the women's they ss gssl— rallies where the women's they are so good. these— rallies where the women's they are so good. these players today asl— are so good. these players today asl wsa— are so good. these players today asl wsa gei— are so good. these players today and you get them.— are so good. these players today and you get them. i— are so good. these players today and you get them. i mean, you hssw,— and you get them. i mean, you hssw, ihe— and you get them. i mean, you hssw, i-we iasi— and you get them. i mean, you know, i've just been watching iasihsarse— know, i've just been watching eastbourne and— know, i've just been watching eastbourne and all the grass seari— eastbourne and all the grass sears—i- eastbourne and all the grass. sears—i court tournaments and i mean heea— court tournaments and i mean heea aa— court tournaments and i mean heea aa is— court tournaments and i mean heea aa rs laie— court tournaments and i mean keep up to date with all the rime.— keep up to date with all the time. fascinating. it was time. it's fascinating. it was sill— time. it's fascinating. it was still - strategy, - time. it's fascinating. it was still strategy, think, in still more strategy, i think, in the still more strategy, i think, in he wsmess— still more strategy, i think, in the women's game because they les-i— the women's game because they war have— the women's game because they don't have that— the women's game because they don't have that just brute siresgih— don't have that just brute strength but— don't have that just brute strength but they strong now, boy,— strength but they strong now, hsw, ihew— strength but they strong now, hsw, ihew wsa— strength but they strong now, boy, they you know, they hit semes— boy, they you know, they hit serwes ai— boy, they you know, they hit serves at 125— boy, they you know, they hit serves at 125 miles an hour. i serves at125 miles an hour. i i— serves at125 miles an hour. i i ihish— serves at 125 miles an hour. i mean, i think i— serves at 125 miles an hour. i mean, i think i had a fast serve.— mean, i think i had a fast serwe. i— mean, i think i had a fast serwe. i hal— mean, i think i had a fast serve. i had a— mean, i think i had a fast serve. i had a big serve. and i mighi— serve. i had a big serve. and i mighi have— serve. i had a big serve. and i might have clocked it at 105 if i might have clocked it at 105 if i was— might have clocked it at 105 if i iashw— might have clocked it at 105 if i lashw .— might have clocked it at 105 if i was lucky . and— might have clocked it at 105 if i was lucky . and but, you know, i was lucky. and but, you know, mai— i was lucky. and but, you know, ihai was— i was lucky. and but, you know, that was with— i was lucky. and but, you know, that was with a— i was lucky. and but, you know, that was with a much smaller rashes— that was with a much smaller rashes wiih— that was with a much smaller racket, with a— that was with a much smaller racket, with a wooden racket . so racket, with a wooden racket. so the racket, with a wooden racket. so ihe ieshssisgw— racket, with a wooden racket. so the technology has— racket, with a wooden racket. so the technology has changed ihisgs— the technology has changed ihisgs by— the technology has changed things by huge— the technology has changed things by huge amounts. it reallw— things by huge amounts. it reallw :— things by huge amounts. it really , really— things by huge amounts. it really , really has. �*7 really, really has. if you were to pinpoint it because obviously what you've achieved is quite incredible. and, you know, you when you hear it, do you do you think, crikey, i did all that. i actually did all that. that's me. when you hear that, that me. when you hear that, is that is of goes is that what sort of goes through mind ? wow you know, through your mind? wow you know, once in a while it goes— g p ” pr:7 you know, once in a while it goes through wsar— once in a while it goes through wsar misl— once in a while it goes through your mind. once— once in a while it goes through your mind. once in— once in a while it goes through

your mind. once in a while , you. your mind. once in a while, you. hsa— your mind. once in a while, you. wsa-ii— your mind. once in a while, you. wsa-ii i— your mind. once in a while, you. wsa-ii i hal— your mind. once in a while, you. you-if i had today's- you think if i had today's egaiamesi— you think if i had today's equipment and i was started lesssss— equipment and i was started lessons when— equipment and i was started lessons when i— equipment and i was started lessons when i was four years sil— lessons when i was four years sil asl— lessons when i was four years sil asl hal— lessons when i was four years old and had different technique and old and had different technique asl hal— old and had different technique asl hal a— old and had different technique asl hal a me— old and had different technique and had a two handed backhand and had a two handed backhand asl a— and had a two handed backhand asl a hig— and had a two handed backhand and a big racket— and had a two handed backhand and a big racket and i would sill— and a big racket and i would siill he— and a big racket and i would still be athletic— and a big racket and i would still be athletic .— and a big racket and i would still be athletic . so that was still be athletic. so that was si— still be athletic. so that was si mw— still be athletic. so that was si mw hig— still be athletic. so that was one of my big strengths . so one of my big strengths. so i gaess— one of my big strengths. so i gaess i— one of my big strengths. so i guess i would— one of my big strengths. so i guess i would be— one of my big strengths. so i guess i would be up there. but, you— guess i would be up there. but, wsa hssw,— guess i would be up there. but, wsa hssw, iis— guess i would be up there. but, wsa hssw, is a— guess i would be up there. but, you know, it's a different game asl— you know, it's a different game asl wsa— you know, it's a different game asl wsa ihish,— you know, it's a different game and you think, oh— you know, it's a different game and you think, oh my goodness, i ssalls-i— and you think, oh my goodness, i ssalls-i hell— and you think, oh my goodness, i couldn't hold a— and you think, oh my goodness, i couldn't hold a candle to islaw-s— couldn't hold a candle to today's players. but if you put wsarseli— today's players. but if you put wsarseli is— today's players. but if you put yourself in the— today's players. but if you put yourself in the same era, i ihish— yourself in the same era, i ihish i— yourself in the same era, i think i think— yourself in the same era, i think i think i— yourself in the same era, i think i think i think it's interesting— think i think i think it's interesting .— think i think i think it's interesting . you know, good interesting. you know, good aihleies— interesting. you know, good athletes are _ interesting. you know, good athletes are always going to be gssl— athletes are always going to be gssl aihieies— athletes are always going to be good athletes. and there were you— good athletes. and there were wsa hssw,— good athletes. and there were wsa hssw, i— good athletes. and there were you know, i always sort of you know, i was always sort of sisse— you know, i was always sort of slsse-isa. — you know, i was always sort of slsse-isa. i— you know, i was always sort of close-top. i was- you know, i was always sort of close top. i was never close to the top. i was never she— close to the top. i was never number one. we— close to the top. i was never number one. we had the fantastic iiariisa— number one. we had the fantastic martina navratilova and steffi mai— martina navratilova and steffi srai asl— martina navratilova and steffi graf and chris— martina navratilova and steffi graf and chris evert and billie jean— graf and chris evert and billie ieas asl— graf and chris evert and billie jean and maria— graf and chris evert and billie jean and maria bueno. all those heisre.— jean and maria bueno. all those heisre. ss— jean and maria bueno. all those heisre. ss ii— jean and maria bueno. all those before. so it was— jean and maria bueno. all those before. so it was exciting times rhes— before. so it was exciting times even then and— before. so it was exciting times even then and great crowds. and wiimhlelss— even then and great crowds. and wimbledon has— even then and great crowds. and wimbledon has always supported the wimbledon has always supported ihe wsmes— wimbledon has always supported the women, which— wimbledon has always supported the women, which has been iasiasiis— the women, which has been fantastic and— the women, which has been fantastic and given them equal slams.— fantastic and given them equal siaias. ihew— fantastic and given them equal status. they didn't. it took a while— status. they didn't. it took a while is— status. they didn't. it took a while is gei— status. they didn't. it took a while to get equal money, but

but while to get equal money, but hai i— while to get equal money, but hai i ihish,— while to get equal money, but but i think, you— while to get equal money, but but i think, you know, you have to but i think, you know, you have is hile— but i think, you know, you have is hile wsar— but i think, you know, you have to bide your time.— but i think, you know, you have to bide your time. sometimes wse— to bide your time. sometimes we heires— to bide your time. sometimes you're better not— to bide your time. sometimes you're better not to rush things too you're better not to rush things iss mash— you're better not to rush things iss mash .— you're better not to rush things iss mash . ss— you're better not to rush things too much . so i— you're better not to rush things too much . so i think too much. so i think everything's- too much. so i think everything's going along very well— everything's going along very well ai— everything's going along very well ai ihe— everything's going along very well at the moment . vv/rt;p p everything's going along very well at the moment . / t everything's going along very well at the moment . vv/rt;p p t well at the moment. yeah, it was like well at the moment. yeah, it was lihe a— well at the moment. yeah, it was like a magical time though , that like a magical time though, that particular era in tennis, because of those amazing, great players , you know, as you said, players, you know, as you said, bjorn borg and you must have played and met these people. what was it like for you being in that ? i think it i think it in that? i think it i think it was actually— in that? i think it i think it was actually i— in that? i think it i think it was actually i have- p pp7 i think it i think it was actually i have to consider ihai— was actually i have to consider ihai ii— was actually i have to consider ihai ii was— was actually i have to consider ihai ii a— was actually i have to consider that it was a really great era to that it was a really great era is he— that it was a really great era to be involved— that it was a really great era to be involved in— that it was a really great era to be involved in because i asiaailw— to be involved in because i actually crossed- to be involved in because i actually crossed over from the aaei— actually crossed over from the aaei siage— actually crossed over from the amateur stage .— actually crossed over from the amateur stage . when you amateur stage. when you iraweilel— amateur stage. when you travelled all— amateur stage. when you travelled all around the world, you— travelled all around the world, wsa siawel— travelled all around the world, you stayed with— travelled all around the world, you stayed with people, you made issses— you stayed with people, you made issses asl— you stayed with people, you made tonnes and tonnes— you stayed with people, you made tonnes and tonnes of friends, whereasss—w- tonnes and tonnes of friends, whereas,-now it'si tonnes and tonnes of friends,| whereas,-now it's a whereas, you know, now it's a bit whereas, you know, now it's a hii msse— whereas, you know, now it's a bit more sterile.— whereas, you know, now it's a bit more sterile. you have your lilie— bit more sterile. you have your liirle grsaa— bit more sterile. you have your liirle grsaa si— bit more sterile. you have your little group of entourage and i lssi— little group of entourage and i lss-i ihish— little group of entourage and i don't think you— little group of entourage and i don't think you interact quite as mash— don't think you interact quite as much now. so— don't think you interact quite as much now. so and there was ihis— as much now. so and there was ihis alwaws— as much now. so and there was this always pressure , this this always pressure, this alwaws— this always pressure, this always pressure. so whether the wasi— always pressure. so whether the wasi amsssi— always pressure. so whether the vast amounts of— always pressure. so whether the vast amounts of money and hesse— vast amounts of money and hesse ihe— vast amounts of money and because the competition is so lesse— because the competition is so lesse asl— because the competition is so lesse asl ss— because the competition is so dense and so tense now, i

saaasse— dense and so tense now, i saaasse ihere— dense and so tense now, i suppose there is more pressure. hai— suppose there is more pressure. hai ihere— suppose there is more pressure. hai ihere was— suppose there is more pressure. but there was always pressure , but there was always pressure, you— but there was always pressure, wsa hssw,— but there was always pressure, wsa hssw, asl— but there was always pressure, you know, and that's one of the aswshslsgisal— you know, and that's one of the psychological things that's so issrelihle— psychological things that's so incredible about— psychological things that's so incredible about tennis. the game— incredible about tennis. the game is— incredible about tennis. the game is ss— incredible about tennis. the game is so psychological. it is ihe— game is so psychological. it is he mesial— game is so psychological. it is the mental aspect— game is so psychological. it is the mental aspect is so imasriasl— the mental aspect is so important. and if you can heliewe— important. and if you can heliewe is— important. and if you can believe in yourself , i important. and if you can believe in yourself, i think you gs— believe in yourself, i think you gs iar. — believe in yourself, i think you can go far. would— believe in yourself, i think you can go far. would you say a long rime— can go far. would you say a long rime e — can go far. would you say a long rime e wisall— can go far. would you say a long time ? would you— can go far. would you say a long time ? would you say- can go far. would you say a long time ? : time? would you say that that is the element that's often missing in a lot of the british players ? that psychological ability to get through it? because if you watch , it was always because we watch, it was always because we would always british would always watch the british game. they going game. we think, are they going to not going to to crumble? they're not going to get crack. get through. they always crack. do that's that's do you think that that's that's been issue british been a major issue in british tennis in particular? because when watch it, what when i watch it, that's what i see. yeah. no, i see that, too. hai— see. yeah. no, i see that, too. hai i— see. yeah. no, i see that, too. hai i see— see. yeah. no, i see that, too. hai i ii— see. yeah. no, i see that, too. but i see it with— see. yeah. no, i see that, too. but i see it with a— yeah. no, i see that, too. but i see it with a lot of alawers.— but i see it with a lot of players. there's certain players at players. there's certain players saer—es- players. there's certain players aei—es wiih- players. there's certain players at_even with thei at the moment, even with the guys- _ at the moment, even with the gaws.|meas,— at the moment, even with the ggyglmg... i— at the moment, even with the guys. mean, i think somebody guys. i mean, i think somebody lihe— guys. i mean, i think somebody lihe mira— guys. i mean, i think somebody like fritz,-is_ guys. i mean, i think somebody like fritz,-is such- guys. i mean, i think somebody like fritz,-is such a- guys. i mean, i think somebody like fritz, is such a good like fritz, who is such a good iawlss— like fritz, who is such a good iawlss rhiz— like fritz, who is such a good taylor, fritz-such- like fritz, who is such a good taylor, fritz such a good taylor, fritz is such a good alawer— taylor, fritz is such a good alawer asl— taylor, fritz is such a good player and sinner who such player and sinner who is such a gssl— player and sinner who is such a gssl alawer— player and sinner who is such a gssl alawer .— player and sinner who is such a gssl alawer . asl— player and sinner who is such a good player. and you player and sinner who is such a good player . and you know, player and sinner who is such a good player. and you know, i'm iasi— good player. and you know, i'm iasi-a— good player. and you know, i'm iasi-a coupler— good player. and you know, i'm just-a couple, but- good player. and you know, i'm just a couple, but they just taking a couple, but they hssh— just taking a couple, but they lsshlii— just taking a couple, but they lsshlii ihew— just taking a couple, but they look-if they very- just taking a couple, but they look if they very tense on look as if they very tense on ihe— look as if they very tense on he ssmi— look as if they very tense on the court and— look as if they very tense on the court and not— look as if they very tense on the court and not really esiswisg— the court and not really esiswisg ii— the court and not really esiswisg ii ai- the court and not really

enjoying it at the moment. and, you enjoying it at the moment. and, wsa hssw,— enjoying it at the moment. and, you know, that's— enjoying it at the moment. and, you know, that's what happens. hsa— you know, that's what happens. wsa-elge— you know, that's what happens. wsa-elge si— you know, that's what happens. you-edge of your- you know, that's what happens. you edge of your game goes you the edge of your game goes off. you the edge of your game goes sii. _harl— you the edge of your game goes sii. _harl is— you the edge of your game goes off. _hard to get- you the edge of your game goes off. _hard to get the- off. it's very hard to get the halasse— off. it's very hard to get the balance right— off. it's very hard to get the balance right how much you balance right of how much you ssmaeie— balance right of how much you ssmaeie asl— balance right of how much you compete and how— balance right of how much you compete and how work balance right of how much you- compete and how-work on compete and how much you work on wsar— compete and how much you work on wsar-hai— compete and how much you work on wsar-ear i— compete and how much you work on wsar-ear i ihish— compete and how much you work on your-but i think that- compete and how much you work on your but i think that in your game. but i think that in the your game. but i think that in he eml— your game. but i think that in he esl ihe— your game. but i think that in the end, the one— your game. but i think that in the end, the one advice i would give— the end, the one advice i would give is— the end, the one advice i would give is mal— the end, the one advice i would give is that, look,— the end, the one advice i would give is that, look, lose a match is ssi— give is that, look, lose a match is ssi a— give is that, look, lose a match is not a global— give is that, look, lose a match is not a global catastrophe . you is not a global catastrophe. you hssw,— is not a global catastrophe. you know, there'll— is not a global catastrophe. you know, there'll be— is not a global catastrophe. you know, there'll be another day if you— know, there'll be another day if wsa sas— know, there'll be another day if wsa gei— know, there'll be another day if wsa gei wsar— know, there'll be another day if you can get your winning and wsar— you can get your winning and wsar lssisg— you can get your winning and your losing into— you can get your winning and your losing into perspective, i ihish— your losing into perspective, i ihish rhes— your losing into perspective, i think then you're— your losing into perspective, i think then you're not so afraid of think then you're not so afraid si lssisg— think then you're not so afraid si lssisg .— think then you're not so afraid si lssisg . i— think then you're not so afraid of losing . i mean,— think then you're not so afraid of losing . i mean, every of losing. i mean, every ewerwhslw-s— of losing. i mean, every everybody's feels the pressure to everybody's feels the pressure is wsa — everybody's feels the pressure is wsa hssw, — everybody's feels the pressure to you know, it's— everybody's feels the pressure to you know, it's funny because the to you know, it's funny because he less— to you know, it's funny because the lesser players— to you know, it's funny because the lesser players will say, oh, well— the lesser players will say, oh, well :— the lesser players will say, oh, well , ihe— the lesser players will say, oh, well , the reason— the lesser players will say, oh, well , the reason i— the lesser players will say, oh, well , the reason i lost was well, the reason i lost was hesse— well, the reason i lost was hesse i— well, the reason i lost was because i got— well, the reason i lost was because i got nervous. well, let me reli— because i got nervous. well, let me ieil your— because i got nervous. well, let me tell you, the— because i got nervous. well, let me tell you, the top players get iasi— me tell you, the top players get iasilserwsas. — me tell you, the top players get just nervous. maybe just just as nervous. they maybe just heires— just as nervous. they maybe just heiier—ii-s- better players. but it's a mailer— better players. but it's a male si— better players. but it's a matter of getting that perspective - matter of getting that perspective lviv and that halasse— perspective lviv and that balance right— perspective lviv and that balance right of not worrying too balance right of not worrying iss mash— balance right of not worrying iss mash :— balance right of not worrying iss mash , wsa— balance right of not worrying too much , you know, and feeling too much, you know, and feeling ihai— too much, you know, and feeling ihai every— too much, you know, and feeling that every match— too much, you know, and feeling that every match you have to go on that every match you have to go ss is— that every match you have to go ss is me— that every match you have to go ss is liie sr— that every match you have to go on is life or death.— that every match you have to go on is life or death. if you isse,— on is life or death. if you lose, which— on is life or death. if you lose, which it— on is life or death. if you lose, which it really isn't . lose, which it really isn't. hsw— lose, which it really isn't. hsw wsar— lose, which it really isn't. now your biggest- lose, which it really isn't. now your biggest moment then, in your view, what was the biggest

moment for you in tennis ? it was moment for you in tennis? it was was winning wimbledon. no two ways about it. i mean,- pp pg �*irini : p no two ways about it. i mean, wimbledon for ways about it. i mean, wimbledon isr me— ways about it. i mean, wimbledon isr me ihe— ways about it. i mean, wimbledon for me was the dream. i mean, it was was wimbledon— for me was the dream. i mean, it was was wimbledon was everything was was wimbledon was everything ihe— was was wimbledon was everything ihe sslw— was was wimbledon was everything was the only thing.— was was wimbledon was everything was the only thing. when i was iisi— was the only thing. when i was iirsi grswisg— was the only thing. when i was iirsi grswisg aa— was the only thing. when i was first growing up. and you know, waishisg— first growing up. and you know, watching tennis— first growing up. and you know, watching tennis ,_ first growing up. and you know, watching tennis , i— first growing up. and you know, watching tennis , i was brought watching tennis, i was brought up watching tennis, i was brought aa is— watching tennis, i was brought aa is ssaih— watching tennis, i was brought up in south africa until i was 15. up in south africa until i was is. ss— up in south africa until i was is. he ihere— up in south africa until i was 15. so there wasn't television ihere. — 15. so there wasn't television here he — 15. so there wasn't television here he wsa— 15. so there wasn't television there. so you listen on the salie— there. so you listen on the ralis .— there. so you listen on the ralis , ss— there. so you listen on the radio , so wimbledon. and then we radio, so wimbledon. and then we whes— radio, so wimbledon. and then we whes we— radio, so wimbledon. and then we whes we iirsi— radio, so wimbledon. and then we when we first came— radio, so wimbledon. and then we when we first came to england, we resiel— when we first came to england, we resiel a— when we first came to england, we rented a house— when we first came to england, we rented a house just in wimbledon.— we rented a house just in wimbledon. so- we rented a house just in wimbledon. so it was unbelievable. go and wimbledon. so it was- unbelievable.-go and you wimbledon. so it was— unbelievable.-go and you see unbelievable. you go and you see wiimhlelss— unbelievable. you go and you see wimbledon and— unbelievable. you go and you see wimbledon and you know , like wimbledon and you know, like aesaie-s— wimbledon and you know, like some people's year will rotate asasl— some people's year will rotate asasl iheir— some people's year will rotate around their birthday or ssmeihisg. — around their birthday or something. mine would probably still something. mine would probably siill lees— something. mine would probably still does rotate— something. mine would probably still does rotate around wimbledon.— still does rotate around wimbledon. i- still does rotate around wimbledon. i sort of try to keep mwseli— wimbledon. i sort of try to keep mwseli ssi— wimbledon. i sort of try to keep myself not quite— wimbledon. i sort of try to keep myself not quite so emotionally iswslwel— myself not quite so emotionally iswslwel as— myself not quite so emotionally iswslwel as i— myself not quite so emotionally involved as i used— myself not quite so emotionally involved as i used to be, but i isse— involved as i used to be, but i lswe ii. — involved as i used to be, but i love it. yeah,— involved as i used to be, but i love it. yeah, it's— involved as i used to be, but i love it. yeah, it's just- involved as i used to be, but i love it. vv/rt;p p t pr.rip love it. yeah, it's just such a good tournament. who's catching your eye at the moment then? who do you think is going to potentially win? the women and the men's match? who do you think's chance? who think's got a good chance? who would you put money on if you were do that ? you know,

were going to do that? you know, i would were going to do that? you know, iwsall arshahiw— were going to do that? you know, i would probably only— were going to do that? you know, i would probably only go- gt:r pg r:rtr p7 you know, i would probably only go with in the i would probably only go with in he wsmess— i would probably only go with in the women's with— i would probably only go with in the women's with two of the big hiiiers— the women's with two of the big hiiiers lihe— the women's with two of the big hitters like the— the women's with two of the big hitters like the girl who won lasi— hitters like the girl who won iasi weas— hitters like the girl who won last year, rybakina. she's iasiasiis— last year, rybakina. she's fantastic. but— last year, rybakina. she's fantastic. but she she got she got fantastic. but she she got she gsi sish— fantastic. but she she got she gsi sish is— fantastic. but she she got she got sick in paris.— fantastic. but she she got she got sick in paris. so you know, she— got sick in paris. so you know, she mighi— got sick in paris. so you know, she mighi he— got sick in paris. so you know, she might be a— got sick in paris. so you know, she might be a little under alawel— she might be a little under alawel ai— she might be a little under alawel ai ihe— she might be a little under played at the moment. she sasiiags— played at the moment. she sasiiags is— played at the moment. she santiago is so— played at the moment. she santiago is so good. but i don't hssw— santiago is so good. but i don't hssw wheiher— santiago is so good. but i don't know whether she's unbeatable on grass— know whether she's unbeatable on grass .— know whether she's unbeatable on grass . asl— know whether she's unbeatable on grass . asl si— know whether she's unbeatable on grass . and of course, sabalenka grass. and of course, sabalenka ssall— grass. and of course, sabalenka ssall he— grass. and of course, sabalenka could be really— grass. and of course, sabalenka could be really good in the women's . and— could be really good in the women's . and then there are women's. and then there are a mwrial— women's. and then there are a mwrial si— women's. and then there are a myriad of other— women's. and then there are a myriad of other players who ssall — myriad of other players who could compete _ myriad of other players who could compete on the men's side. i could compete on the men's side. i meas— could compete on the men's side. i im— could compete on the men's side. i i-m ssi— could compete on the men's side. i mean, i'm not really i've just lsshisg— i mean, i'm not really i've just lsshisg ai— i mean, i'm not really i've just was looking at the— i mean, i'm not really i've just was looking at the draw again. i les-i— was looking at the draw again. i lss-i ihish— was looking at the draw again. i don't think the _ was looking at the draw again. i don't think the real contenders whs— don't think the real contenders whs ssall— don't think the real contenders who could have— don't think the real contenders who could have a— don't think the real contenders who could have a chance against hishswis— who could have a chance against hishswis :— who could have a chance against djbkovicr i— who could have a chance against djokovic , i don't— who could have a chance against djokovic , i don't think they in djokovic, i don't think they in top djokovic, i don't think they in isa ssi— djokovic, i don't think they in sea ssi isrm. — djokovic, i don't think they in top not form. so— djokovic, i don't think they in top not form. so i, i, i can sslw— top not form. so i, i, i can sslw see— top not form. so i, i, i can only see djokovic winning. hishswis— only see djokovic winning. hishswis wei— only see djokovic winning. djokovic yet again.- only see djokovic winning. djokovic yet again. he's good, isn't he? he's very good. he's really good. so outside of all of this, then, because will you be commentating on wimbledon this as well? will you be this year as well? will you be

doing doing bits doing that? i'm only doing bits and doing that? i'm only doing bits asl aieses— doing that? i'm only doing bits asl aieses. ws— doing that? i'm only doing bits and pieces. no, i— r:rtr pg p7 i'm only doing bits and pieces. no, i decided a few wears— and pieces. no, i decided a few wears age,— and pieces. no, i decided a few wears ags, wsa— and pieces. no, i decided a few years ago, you know, it's a long hss— years ago, you know, it's a long hss harl— years ago, you know, it's a long hours, hard work— years ago, you know, it's a long hours, hard work .— years ago, you know, it's a long hours, hard work . and, you know, hours, hard work. and, you know, i hours, hard work. and, you know, i lihe— hours, hard work. and, you know, i lihe is— hours, hard work. and, you know, i like to relax— hours, hard work. and, you know, i like to relax and— hours, hard work. and, you know, i like to relax and enjoy it more. yeah.— i like to relax and enjoy it more. yeah. and- i like to relax and enjoy it more. vv/rt;p p . pr: i like to relax and enjoy it more. / pr: i like to relax and enjoy it more. vv/rt;p p i pht; i like to relax and enjoy it- more. yeah. and so what are you up to then? are you just. you're retiring and relaxing or are you ? yeah, pretty much. you know , ? yeah, pretty much. you know, do ? yeah, pretty much. you know, ls hirs— ? yeah, pretty much. you know, ls hiis asl— ? yeah, pretty much. you know, do bits and pieces— 7’ yeah, pretty much. you know, do bits and pieces here, but not too do bits and pieces here, but not iss mash.— do bits and pieces here, but not iss mash. hai— do bits and pieces here, but not too much. but life— do bits and pieces here, but not too much. but life is busy and lie— too much. but life is busy and lie is— too much. but life is busy and lie is werw— too much. but life is busy and life is very good.— too much. but life is busy and life is very good. so and you hssw— life is very good. so and you hssw :— life is very good. so and you hssw , iis— life is very good. so and you know , it's fun— life is very good. so and you know , it's fun to— life is very good. so and you know , it's fun to talk to people know, it's fun to talk to people lihe— know, it's fun to talk to people lihe wsa. — know, it's fun to talk to people like you. well,— know, it's fun to talk to people like you. writ; ppg t t like you. well, anyway, it it's so good to talk to you. i can't actually believe that i'm talking to you because used to talking to you because i used to watch the tennis courts watch you on the tennis courts all years virginia all those years ago. virginia thank sharing thank you so much for sharing your time your story and taking the time out it's been out to talk to me. it's been such a pleasure to meet you. thank you. my pleasure. thank you that is the amazing you so much. that is the amazing virginia wave. former virginia wave. yes. former british tennis star, an icon , british tennis star, an icon, brilliant woman. she won wimbledon in 1977. how cool is that? she was here live on gb news. but still to come, prince william and prince harry both attended the annual diana awards

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isr wasi arsiii— and abused the natural resource for vast profit .— and abused the natural resource for vast profit . so— and abused the natural resource for vast profit . so for the for vast profit. so for the sear— for vast profit. so for the great british _ for vast profit. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm great british debate this hour, i-m ashisg— great british debate this hour, i'm asking should we renationalise water renationalise the water islasirwe— renationalise the water industry? well, joining me now is—sssial- industry? well, joining me nowi is_social democrat is the leader of social democrat party— is the leader of social democrat party .— is the leader of social democrat iiariw , william— is the leader of social democrat party , william coulston party, william coulston sisasism— party, william coulston clouston, political commentator, heselisi— clouston, political commentator, benedict spence,— clouston, political commentator, benedict spence, former labour mp benedict spence, former labour na sieahes— benedict spence, former labour mp stephen pound. also editorial and mp stephen pound. also editorial asl iellsw— mp stephen pound. also editorial and fellow research fellow at ihe— and fellow research fellow at the institute _ and fellow research fellow at the institute of— and fellow research fellow at the institute of economic aiiairs. — the institute of economic affairs. shackleton . okay, affairs. len shackleton. okay, so affairs. len shackleton. okay, ss im— affairs. len shackleton. okay, ss i-m gsisg— affairs. len shackleton. okay, ss i-m gsisg is— affairs. len shackleton. okay, so i'm going to start with you, william — so i'm going to start with you, william .— so i'm going to start with you, william .what_ so i'm going to start with you, william . what do— so i'm going to start with you, william . what do you think? william. what do you think? shsall— william. what do you think? shsall we— william. what do you think? should we is— william. what do you think? should we is it— william. what do you think? should we is it is it time to sras— should we is it is it time to siari lsshisg— should we is it is it time to start looking at— should we is it is it time to start looking at nationalisation of start looking at nationalisation si mise— start looking at nationalisation si ihise ihis— start looking at nationalisation of this? this is— start looking at nationalisation of this? this is a— start looking at nationalisation of this? this is a resource that we heel.— of this? this is a resource that we seel. iis— of this? this is a resource that we need. it's a— of this? this is a resource that we need. it's a vital necessity . oh.— we need. it's a vital necessity . oh, certainly— we need. it's a vital necessity . oh, certainly ,_ we need. it's a vital necessity . oh, certainly , yeah. - . oh, certainly, yeah. privatisation of water, just him— privatisation of water, just like privatised— privatisation of water, just like privatised version of the railwaws— like privatised version of the railwaws asl— like privatised version of the railways and electricity supply is a— railways and electricity supply is a iailel— railways and electricity supply is a failed experiment . ipr: railways and electricity supply is a failed experiment . i: is a failed experiment. and what asles— is a failed experiment. and what we've ended up with is a series of companies absolutely laden with debt off. what has watched this happen . these companies this happen. these companies have been used as debt mules. you have the secondary problem of vastly overpaid executives getting 3 or £4 million a year. the person that runs scottish wares— the person that runs scottish water doesn't _ the person that runs scottish water doesn't get that. that's a

saiissalisel— water doesn't get that. that's a nationalised industry. you've got a problem of dividends being syphoned off abroad , which harms syphoned off abroad, which harms our of payments . and our balance of payments. and above all, you've got these ssmaasies— above all, you've got these companies that— above all, you've got these companies that have lost their iss— companies that have lost their is _issas— companies that have lost their focus, focus because it's focus, their focus because it's ariwaiisel— focus, their focus because it's ariwaiisel is— focus, their focus because it's privatised is dividends and not iswesimesi. — privatised is dividends and not investment. and— privatised is dividends and not investment. and i- privatised is dividends and not investment. ipr: privatised is dividends and not investment. pr: investment. and i think the whole thing has been a disaster . and these companies are in no assiiiss— . and these companies are in no assiiiss is— and these companies are in no position to implement the 50 or eso— position to implement the 50 or ees hiliiss— position to implement the 50 or £60 billion worth— position to implement the 50 or £60 billion worth of investment mai— £60 billion worth of investment ihai is— £60 billion worth of investment that is required— £60 billion worth of investment that is required to— £60 billion worth of investment that is required to stop shoving eage— that is required to stop shoving age isis— that is required to stop shoving sewage into our— that is required to stop shoving sewage into our waterways. so the sewage into our waterways. so he whsle— sewage into our waterways. so the whole thing— sewage into our waterways. so the whole thing is a shambles. asl— the whole thing is a shambles. asl i— the whole thing is a shambles. asl i wsall— the whole thing is a shambles. and i would just— the whole thing is a shambles. and i would just remind- the whole thing is a shambles. and i would just remind anyone arguing against public ownership , that public ownership of water is the natural situation around the whole world. this was an experiment that we tried and it's failed . well, a lot of it's failed. well, a lot of aesale— it's failed. well, a lot of people would— t rtr: well, a lot of people would agree with that. sieahes— people would agree with that. stephen pound,— people would agree with that. stephen pound, an experiment mar-s— stephen pound, an experiment ihai-s hees— stephen pound, an experiment that's been tried— stephen pound, an experiment that's been tried and failed, i ihish.— that's been tried and failed, i ihish. — that's been tried and failed, i ihish. ssal— that's been tried and failed, i think. good afternoon, anna. good so obviously, good afternoon. so obviously, the first instance we make. fergal sharkey of fergal sharkey in charge of the whsle— fergal sharkey in charge of the whole operation.— fergal sharkey in charge of the whole operation. look , whole operation. but look, ihere-s— whole operation. but look, ihere-s-si- whole operation. but look, there's of things whole operation. but look,- there's-of things here there's a couple of things here mar-s— there's a couple of things here ihai-s—ewesl

that's absolutely stink, eveni wsrse—ihai-s worse than the sewage that's heisg— being dumped in our local -. zi- being dumped in our local rivers. -, 27 seniorl being dumped in our local. rivers. -, 27 senior off rivers. firstly, 27 senior off what executives now work for the water companies. it's the aiiimaie — water companies. it's the ultimate revolving- rirtrp p it's the ultimate revolving door and that is disgraceful. _ ultimate revolving door and that is disgraceful. the— ultimate revolving door and that is disgraceful. the second thing is disgraceful. the second thing is mai— is disgraceful. the second thing is ihai ii— is disgraceful. the second thing is ihai ii we— is disgraceful. the second thing is that if we renationalise them tomorrow, we'd— is that if we renationalise them tomorrow, we'd still be stuck wiih— tomorrow, we'd still be stuck wiih a— tomorrow, we'd still be stuck wiih a sage— tomorrow, we'd still be stuck with a huge amount of debt. and i with a huge amount of debt. and iisish— with a huge amount of debt. and iihish whar— with a huge amount of debt. and i think what lviv— with a huge amount of debt. and i think what lviv garfield up at sewem— i think what lviv garfield up at sewem rrem— i think what lviv garfield up at severn trent is— i think what lviv garfield up at severn trent is doing is talking ahsai— severn trent is doing is talking ahsai ihere— severn trent is doing is talking about there having an emergency meeiisg—ssi- about there having an emergency meeiisg—ssi ss- meeting, a secret one not so sesei— meeting, a secret one not so sesei meeiisg— meeting, a secret one not so secret meeting of- meeting, a secret one not so secret meeting of all the water ssmaasw— secret meeting of all the water ssmaasw hssses— secret meeting of all the water company bosses to realise that sew-game— company bosses to realise that now-game could- company bosses to realise that now game could well be up now the game could well be up asl— now the game could well be up asl ihew-re— now the game could well be up and they're talking about reaarassisg— and they're talking about repurposing sort repurposing themselves as sort of repurposing themselves as sort si sssialiw— repurposing themselves as sort of socially responsible companies. _ of socially responsible companies. the short of socially responsible- companies. _the short term companies. so in the short term we-renationalise- we can't renationalise it hesse— we can't renationalise it because would we can't renationalise it- because _would just be because the debt would just be hsrreslsas— because the debt would just be horrendous-the— because the debt would just be horrendous-the-tol because the debt would just be. horrendous-the-to long horrendous in the medium to long ierm. — horrendous in the medium to long ierm. iis— horrendous in the medium to long term. it's probably— horrendous in the medium to long term. it's probably going to haaaes— term. it's probably going to haaaes-ewes- term. it's probably going to happen _even if- term. it's probably going to happen even if we if happen anyway, even if we if is— happen anyway, even if we if it's—legislation. it's not through legislation. hai— it's not through legislation. hai is— it's not through legislation. hai is ihe— it's not through legislation. but in the-case,- it's not through legislation. but in the case, what but in the first case, what _ls - but in the first case, what w-e-els is- but in the first case, what- we've-do islregulate we've got to do is to regulate ihem — we've got to do is to regulate rsem—is- we've got to do is to regulate them _to honestyi we've got to do is to regulate. them _to honesty and them all the way to honesty and arshiiw— them all the way to honesty and arshiiwlihe— them all the way to honesty and probity. the moment, the probity. at the moment, the regalarsrw— probity. at the moment, the regulatory system weak and it regulatory system is weak and it simalw— regulatory system is weak and it simaiw iss-i— regulatory system is weak and it simply isn't working. we're going— simply isn't working. we're gsisg is— simply isn't working. we're going to regulate them. and i musi— going to regulate them. and i masi almil— going to regulate them. and i must admit, with— going to regulate them. and i must admit, with the great nick remai— must admit, with the great nick rehash-maw— must admit, with the great nick rerrari-maw-he- ferrari, who may not be your iawsariie— ferrari, who may not be your favourite broadcaster representing somebody but representing somebody else, but he—asiaallw- he said we should actually imasse— he said we should actually impose sanctions he said we should actually impose-sanctions them impose penal sanctions on them

if impose penal sanctions on them ii ihew— impose penal sanctions on them ii ihew lssh— impose penal sanctions on them if they don't actually solve the arshiem. — if they don't actually solve the arshiem. ss— if they don't actually solve the problem. so so,— if they don't actually solve the problem. so so, stephen, you problem. so so, so, stephen, you ihish— problem. so so, so, stephen, you ihish ihew— problem. so so, so, stephen, you think they should— problem. so so, so, stephen, you think they should be nationalised , yes or no? vv/rt;~tr think they should be— nationalised , yes or no? yes. nationalised, yes or no? yes. ioo. — nationalised, yes or no? yes. ioo. hes.— nationalised, yes or no? yes. ioo. hes. iss. — nationalised, yes or no? yes. 100. yes, 100. okay. - nationalised, yes or no? vv/rt;~tr 100. vv/rt;~tr �*00 cjsan gt:r 100. yes, 100. okay. let's go to benedict spence , i'm afraid benedict spence, i'm afraid you're not going to get much disagreement from me simply because i understand the principle behind privatisation and often it can work in some circumstances, but in this instance it hasn't. now, partly ihai-s— instance it hasn't. now, partly that's because _ instance it hasn't. now, partly that's because of— i t c now, partly that's because of circumstance. hsa— that's because of circumstance. hsa hssw.— that's because of circumstance. hsa hssw. were— that's because of circumstance. you know, we're dealing with sailaiel— you know, we're dealing with outdated system _ you know, we're dealing with outdated system . as you know, we outdated system. as you know, we les-i— outdated system. as you know, we war have— outdated system. as you know, we don't have enough— outdated system. as you know, we don't have enough reservoirs, we lssi— don't have enough reservoirs, we lss-i hall— don't have enough reservoirs, we don't build enough— don't have enough reservoirs, we don't build enough reservoirs. ihai-s— don't build enough reservoirs. ihai-s a— don't build enough reservoirs. that's a separate— don't build enough reservoirs. that's a separate conversation aslwhw— that's a separate conversation aslwthlss-i— that's a separate conversation as.why.don't do- that's a separate conversation as why don't do that. as to why we don't do that. gar.— as to why we don't do that. has. wsa— as to why we don't do that. has wsa hssw.— as to why we don't do that. but, you know, in— as to why we don't do that. but, you know, in a- as to why we don't do that. but, you know, in a lot- as to why we don't do that. but, you know, in a lot of cities, like pipe cities, things like pipe networks, sort of networks, they're very sort of out really a lot of out of date and really a lot of the money that should be going and off in in and is being syphoned off in in dividends should be going towards this sort of thing. but it's not it. and i don't think you can therefore make very you can therefore make a very good privatisation good argument that privatisation is making things efficient is making things more efficient when you the companies in when you do see the companies in that amount of debt money being , you know, going to shareholders rather than going

to service debt or indeed to improve situation . and the improve the situation. and the problem if you're talking problem is if you're talking about water, it is a fundamental building block of existence. i know that this sort of sounds a little bit simplistic, but it's true. the state, my true. and the state, in my opinion, should there opinion, should be there for very . but probably very few things. but probably the preservation and the supply of water, given that everybody needs that or they die in three days and the livestock dies and everything else sort of collapses, it's sort of a fundamental thing that i think actually you going to actually if you were going to sort up the say, five sort of line up the say, five things that you'd want state things that you'd want the state to think water, to do, i think running water, clean would probably clean water that would probably be on list of be pretty high up on the list of things should provide. len things it should provide. len shackleton well, there's- pg . len shackleton well, there's no lsahi— shackleton well, there's no lsahi ihai— shackleton well, there's no doubt that the _ shackleton well, there's no doubt that the water industry is in doubt that the water industry is is a— doubt that the water industry is is a ssmaleie— doubt that the water industry is in a complete mess at the moment a in a complete mess at the moment . hai— in a complete mess at the moment . hai i— in a complete mess at the moment . hai i ihish— in a complete mess at the moment hi i ihish a— in a complete mess at the moment , but i think a large— in a complete mess at the moment , but i think a large part of ihis— , but i think a large part of ihis is— , but i think a large part of this is down— , but i think a large part of this is down to— , but i think a large part of this is down to the regulator , this is down to the regulator, smal— this is down to the regulator, siwai. whs— this is down to the regulator, siwai. whs i— this is down to the regulator, ofwat, who i think has many of the ofwat, who i think has many of ihe arisriiies— ofwat, who i think has many of the priorities which ofwat has hees— the priorities which ofwat has less aashisg— the priorities which ofwat has been pushing, have led to these hisl— been pushing, have led to these hisl si— been pushing, have led to these kind of problems— been pushing, have led to these kind of problems ,_ been pushing, have led to these kind of problems , keeping prices kind of problems, keeping prices lswm— kind of problems, keeping prices lsws. isr— kind of problems, keeping prices down, for example _ kind of problems, keeping prices down, for example , oil, which down, for example, oil, which has— down, for example, oil, which has hees— down, for example, oil, which has been the— down, for example, oil, which has been the main driver of

siwai— has been the main driver of siwai isr— has been the main driver of siwai isr a— has been the main driver of ofwat for a very— has been the main driver of ofwat for a very long time, has the ofwat for a very long time, has he eiiesi— ofwat for a very long time, has he eiiesi si— ofwat for a very long time, has the effect of encouraging hsrrswisg— the effect of encouraging borrowing, which as you as wse— borrowing, which as you as you've pointed— borrowing, which as you as you've pointed out, borrowing has— you've pointed out, borrowing has overstretched. vv/rt:r has overstretched. you know, a 14 billion borrowing by thames water on an income revenue of about 2.2 billion is a bit bonkers . so there's a lot wrong bonkers. so there's a lot wrong with this . on the other hand, with this. on the other hand, nationalisation for a start, as stevens suggests, it would take a while and it would be expensive . it's not all that. expensive. it's not all that. you know, if you look at scotland and northern ireland, which are of course still run by the state, we find that they're doing worse on leakages and they're doing worse on sewage spills . you know, and we're spills. you know, and we're actually the record of england and wales water over the last 20 years has been one of more or less continual improvement. not as fast as we want to see it. and i think this is down to the regulator. i don't think we should go down the direction of trying nationalise it again. trying to nationalise it again. so to what? about all

so to put about what? about all the money-shareholders- the money the shareholders have hees— the money the shareholders have heem—si— the money the shareholders have heem—si ii— the money the shareholders have been—of it and- the money the shareholders have been _of it and they. been taking out of it and they arsmisel— been taking out of it and they promisedlcertain_ been taking out of it and they promised certain of promised a certain level of iswesimesi— promised a certain level of investment period investment over a period of rime.— investment over a period of rime-ihew— investment over a period of time,-they took- investment over a period of time, they took all the time, but they took all the mssew— time, but they took all the mssew-ihe- time, but they took all the money the beginning. time, but they took all the- money-the beginning. what money out at the beginning. what ahsai—well- money out at the beginning. what ahsai—well i- about that, though? well, i les-i— about that, though? well, i don't-that's- about that, though? well, i don't-that's an- about that, though? well, i don't that's an issue that don't think that's an issue that wsalls-i— don't think that's an issue that wouldn't happen— don't think that's an issue that wouldn't happen in a private ssmaasw.— wouldn't happen in a private- company._concern. company. there was a concern. there— company. there was a concern. there-considerable- there was a considerable injection the injection of investment in the early of privatisation early stages of privatisation and there is much more planned there are things going ahead at there are things going ahead at the moment. mean , nobody has the moment. i mean, nobody has talked, example . well, talked, for example. well, talking thames water , talking around thames water, they haven't really talking they haven't really been talking about tideway tunnel, about the thames tideway tunnel, which to make a major which is going to make a major difference to the thames estuary. this is this , you know, estuary. this is this, you know, the 20 kilometre long tunnel from, from i think from acton down to stratford and beckton, which which, you know, it's a 24 foot diameter water tunnel here, which is going to get rid of a lot of these problems of sewage overspill into the river thames. so that is going ahead. that's cost 4 or £5 billion. that may be one cost 4 or £5 billion. that may he rhisg.— cost 4 or £5 billion. that may be one thing, but— cost 4 or £5 billion. that may be one thing, but we- i ”t �*tti ; irt:rp that may be one thing, but we shouldn't we shsails-i— be one thing, but we shouldn't we shouldn't downplay this. well— we shouldn't downplay this.

well irae. — we shouldn't downplay this. well, true. but— we shouldn't downplay this. well, true. but the - we shouldn't downplay this. �*szirt; but the they well, true. but the they shsalls-i— well, true. but the they shouldn't be _ lmrrt; but the they shouldn't be dumping �*szirt; but the they shouldn't be dumping the water in shouldn't be dumping the water is ihe— shouldn't be dumping the water is he iirsi— shouldn't be dumping the water in the first place. _ shouldn't be dumping the water in the first place. but in the first place. but but i hear— in the first place. but but i hear wsa. — in the first place. but but i hear you. thank- in the first place. but but i hear you. thank you so much for all—ssi- hear you. thank you so much for all—ssi is- all your very difficult not to do all your very difficult not to ls wasa— all your very difficult not to do nana because it is they just heel— do nana because it is they just seel is— do nana because it is they just seel is ssi— do nana because it is they just need to not do— do nana because it is they just need to not do it. _ do nana because it is they just need to not do it. e i i need to not do it. it comes back into the house that's what into the house if that's what you well but. but they you want. well but. but they shsalls-i— you want. well but. but they shsalls-i he— you want. well but. but they shouldn't be dumping- �*ifwit; but they shouldn't be dumping the sewage, ihsagh—ralesl though. i mean, there are rules to though. i mean, there are rules is—shsall— though. i mean, there are rulesi to_should.treating to that. they should be treating it to that. they should be treating ii-gses— to that. they should be treating ii-gses-is- to that. they should be treating it-goes-in that- it before it goes out in that waw— it before it goes out in that waw. asl— it before it goes out in that waw. asl ihew— it before it goes out in that way. and they need to fix all ihe—hill way. and they need to fix alli ihe—all ihe the old pipes as well. all the leahisg— leaking water. they lose hiilisss— leaking water. they lose billions and— leaking water. they lose billions and billions of litres of billions and billions of litres si—law. - billions and billions of litres si—law. ss- billions and billions of litres si—law. ss i-lli billions and billions of litres. of_day. so i'll i'll of water every day. so i'll i'll ressrl— of water every day. so i'll i'll record on leaking. water is a lot better you think . it's lot better than you think. it's a better than. well, how a lot better than. well, how do you a lot better than. well, how do wsa—ii- a lot better than. well, how do wsa—ii wsa| you know what i think? if you lssh—wsa- you know what i think? if you. lssh—wsa-hsw you know what i think? if you- lssh—wsa-hsw ls look at how do you know? how do you—i— look at how do you know? how do wsa—i ihish— look at how do you know? how do wsa—i ihish e- look at how do you know? how do you—i think ? you- look at how do you know? how do you i think ? you don't you know what i think? you don't hssw— you know what i think? you don't hssw whar— you know what i think? you don't hssw whai i— you know what i think? you don't know what i think.— you know what i think? you don't know what i think. but yeah, i hear— know what i think. but yeah, i hear-sighs— know what i think. but yeah, ij hear-sighs-wsa hear you. all right. thank you so hear you. all right. thank you ss-is— hear you. all right. thank you so _to _clouston,| so much to william clouston, sssial—iiariw- so much to william clouston,. social—party benedict social democratic party benedict saesse.— social democratic party benedict spence, commentator spence, political commentator sieahes— spence, political commentator stephen pound,— spence, political commentator stephen pound, former labour mp, and stephen pound, former labour mp, asl alss— stephen pound, former labour mp, asl alss les— stephen pound, former labour mp, and also len shackleton. thank you— and also len shackleton. thank wsa ss— and also len shackleton. thank wsa ss mash— and also len shackleton. thank you so much for— and also len shackleton. thank you so much for your thoughts . you so much for your thoughts. highi. — you so much for your thoughts. highi. ihis— you so much for your thoughts. highs. ihis is— you so much for your thoughts. right. this is gb— you so much for your thoughts. right. this is gb news on tv sslise— right. this is gb news on tv sslise asl— right. this is gb news on tv online and on— right. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio on the online and on digital radio on he waw. — online and on digital radio on ihe waw. well— online and on digital radio on the way. we'll continue with mai— the way. we'll continue with ihai sreai— the way. we'll continue with that great british debate this hsas. — that great british debate this hsas. _shsall- hour. i'm asking should we renationalise— hour. i'm asking should we- renationalise-industry renationalise the water industry 7 renationalise the water industry e—ihsaghisl renationalise the water industry e—ihsaghis sii ? 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and abused the natural resource for vast profit .— and abused the natural resource for vast profit . so— and abused the natural resource for vast profit . so for the for vast profit. so for the sear— for vast profit. so for the great british _ for vast profit. so for the great british debate, i'm asking shsall— great british debate, i'm asking shsall we— great british debate, i'm asking should we renationalise the waier— should we renationalise the water industry— should we renationalise the water industry ?_ should we renationalise the water industry ? well, joining me water industry? well, joining me to water industry? well, joining me is lissass— water industry? well, joining me is lissass mw— water industry? well, joining me to discuss my panel are danny heliw— to discuss my panel are danny heliw-alss— to discuss my panel are danny kelly-also nigel- to discuss my panel are danny kelly also nigel nelson. you kelly and also nigel nelson. you lils-i— kelly and also nigel nelson. you lils-i gei— kelly and also nigel nelson. you lils-i gei ihe— kelly and also nigel nelson. you didn't get the big— kelly and also nigel nelson. you didn't get the big titles. i hssw— didn't get the big titles. i hssw wse— didn't get the big titles. i know you're expecting it. you lils-i— know you're expecting it. you lils-i gei— know you're expecting it. you lils-i gei ii.— know you're expecting it. you didn't get it. a— know you're expecting it. you didn't get it. a bit shocked by isas— didn't get it. a bit shocked by ihai. ares-i— didn't get it. a bit shocked by that. aren't you?— didn't get it. a bit shocked by that. aren't you? you wanted hrsalsasi—. | that. aren't you? you wanted| broadcast_. i that. aren't you? you wanted- broadcast_. i wanted broadcast from germany. i wanted my accreditation , yes. go my full accreditation, yes. go on then, danny. soon as ii: go on then, danny. soon as you hssw.— on then, danny. soon as you hssw. ihe— on then, danny. soon as you know, i've driven— on then, danny. soon as you know, i've driven down from the willasls. — know, i've driven down from the willasls. i— know, i've driven down from the midlands. i live— know, i've driven down from the midlands. . ii” midlands. i live 1994 miles away. and this morning i had a cup of coffee made with severn trent and had trent water. and i've just had a glass of water from thames water, severn trent boss is water, the severn trent boss is . on £3.2 million a year. ridiculous. the [jp 17:5 :2’ ; irt:rp ridiculous. the thames water hsss— ridiculous. the thames water less is— ridiculous. the thames water less is ss— ridiculous. the thames water boss is on two— ridiculous. the thames water boss is on two point something milliss— boss is on two point something million pounds— boss is on two point something million pounds a— boss is on two point something million pounds a year now . million pounds a year now. how is is— million pounds a year now. how is is iisis— million pounds a year now. how is it their fault— million pounds a year now. how is it their fault that— million pounds a year now. how is it their fault that they've got so many pipes? well, got so many leaking pipes? well, i their fault. i don't think it is their fault. what mean so their what do you mean so many? their fault? an antiquated system fault? it's an antiquated system , isn't it? well, they should have—ihe- , isn't it? well, they should. have _the pipes. have been repairing the pipes. iisish— have been repairing the pipes. lisiem—sil listen, if you're in charge of ssmeihisg— something and your pipes are leahisg.— something and your pipes are leahisg-ii.— something and your pipes are leahisg-ii. is- something and your pipes are leaking,-it. is it- something and your pipes are leaking, it. is it is it leaking, you fix it. is it is it going— leaking, you fix it. is it is it gsisg is— leaking, you fix it. is it is it gsisg is he— leaking, you fix it. is it is it going to be improved if we nationalise— going to be improved if we nationalise it— going to be improved if we nationalise it so automatically wse— you're going to save all of ihese— you're going to save all of these-think— you're going to save all of these-think about- you're going to save all of- these..think about absurdly these. i think about absurdly inappropriate salaries. you

know, that started. yeah , of know, that started. yeah, of ee— know, that started. yeah, of course. £3 million for managing a failing a lot of them. but is it going to be improved though? is it going be improved? but is it going to be improved? but a lot of them come from - a lot of them come from the waier— a lot of them come from the water regulator— a lot of them come from the water regulator as well. they water regulator as well. so they wsrh—ss i work with the regulator. so it's all is— work with the regulator. so it's all is hssses— work with the regulator. so it's all in house?-all- all in house? yeah it's all a bit incestuous, but is it going all in house? yeah it's all a bitbe cestuous, but is it going all in house? yeah it's all a bitbe improved? ut is it going all in house? yeah it's all a bitbe improved? it is it going all in house? yeah it's all a bitbe improved? i don't going is to be improved? i don't know. is the price of water going to come down would down then? one would expect it would going would because if it's going to fail nationalised fail under a nationalised programme, it's going to be cheapen programme, it's going to be cheaper. fail cheaper. if it's going to fail under a privatised programme, it's more expensive. it's going to be more expensive. well, contrary, it well, no, on the contrary, it shsall— well, no, on the contrary, it should _come- well, no, on the contrary, it should come down. should actually come down. i mean under a national or a ariwaiisel. — mean under a national or a ariwaiisel. -a- privatised, under a under a nationalised— privatised, under a under a nationalised system, should nationalised system, it should ssme—ii- nationalised system, it should ssme—ii wsal nationalised system, it shouldi ssme—ii wsa iasi come down. i mean, if you just iahe— come down. i mean, if you just iahe-ihai— come down. i mean, if you just take-that our- come down. i mean, if you just take that our energy take energy that our energy hills— take energy that our energy hills have— take energy that our energy bills have gone— take energy that our energy bills have gone up something we— bills have gone up something lihe se— bills have gone up something like over-in— bills have gone up something like over in country . like over 50% in this country. iase— like over 50% in this country. france, which _ like over 50% in this country. france, which has— like over 50% in this country. france, which has a publicly swsel— france, which has a publicly swsel esergw— france, which has a publicly owned energy company, 4. first of owned energy company, 4. first si all— owned energy company, 4. first si all wsa— owned energy company, 4. first of all, you take— owned energy company, 4. first of all, you take out the dividends— of all, you take out the dividends and all the profits isar— dividends and all the profits ihai aesale— dividends and all the profits that people make. as far as i'm concerned , i'd— that people make. as far as i'm concerned , i'd like— that people make. as far as i'm concerned , i'd like to see all concerned, i'd like to see all aahlis— concerned, i'd like to see all public services— concerned, i'd like to see all public services and all public aiiliiies— public services and all public aiiliiies is— public services and all public utilities in public control. i ihish— utilities in public control. i ihish ihe— utilities in public control. i think the public should own the ihisgs— think the public should own the ihisgs isar— think the public should own the things that are— think the public should own the things that are absolutely essesiial— things that are absolutely essesiial .— things that are absolutely essential . well, and if you look

essential. well, and if you look asasl— essential. well, and if you look asasl ihe— essential. well, and if you look around the place,— essential. well, and if you look around the place, it just seems to around the place, it just seems is he— around the place, it just seems is he ihe— around the place, it just seems to be the whole— around the place, it just seems to be the whole privatisation arssess— to be the whole privatisation arssess has— to be the whole privatisation process has failed. i mean, you mesiissel— process has failed. i mean, you mentioned thames water , the £14 mentioned thames water, the £14 hiiliss— mentioned thames water, the £14 hilliss is— mentioned thames water, the £14 billion in debt.— mentioned thames water, the £14 billion in debt. it— mentioned thames water, the £14 billion in debt. it started out in billion in debt. it started out is es— billion in debt. it started out is es whes— billion in debt. it started out in 89 when margaret thatcher ariwaiisel— in 89 when margaret thatcher ariwaiisel a,— in 89 when margaret thatcher privatised it, no— in 89 when margaret thatcher privatised it, no debt . but you privatised it, no debt. but you lssh— privatised it, no debt. but you lssh ai— privatised it, no debt. but you lssh ai ihe— privatised it, no debt. but you look at the railway companies . look at the railway companies. is look at the railway companies. is isar— look at the railway companies. is ihai ihe— look at the railway companies. is that the kind— look at the railway companies. is that the kind of debts that ihew-we — is that the kind of debts that ihew-we as— is that the kind of debts that ihew-we aa— is that the kind of debts that they've run up over the last me— they've run up over the last iiwe wease— they've run up over the last five years? 53— they've run up over the last five years? 53 billion? that's ihe— five years? 53 billion? that's ihe iasaawer— five years? 53 billion? that's the taxpayer paying it. i mean, it the taxpayer paying it. i mean, ii lsess-i— the taxpayer paying it. i mean, it doesn't seem— the taxpayer paying it. i mean, it doesn't seem to— the taxpayer paying it. i mean, it doesn't seem to me that the ariwaiisel— it doesn't seem to me that the privatised industries actually wsrh— privatised industries actually wsrhlss— privatised industries actually wsrh. lss ihe— privatised industries actually work. on the basis of that, work. so on the basis of that, lei-s— work. so on the basis of that, his have— work. so on the basis of that, his have ii— work. so on the basis of that, let's have it in— work. so on the basis of that, let's have it in public control asl— let's have it in public control asl wsa-l— let's have it in public control and you'd have— let's have it in public control and you'd have to hope then that ihew— and you'd have to hope then that ihew wsall— and you'd have to hope then that they would actually be able to mahe— they would actually be able to mahelwsrh— they would actually be able to make work properly. but make it work properly. but i lssi— make it work properly. but i lss-i see— make it work properly. but i lss-i asw— make it work properly. but i don't see any reason why they shsails-i. — don't see any reason why they shouldn't. well,— don't see any reason why they shouldn't. well, one of the heseiiis— shouldn't. well, one of the. heseiiis—si benefits of privatisation is of. course _ benefits course the government benefits wiih— course the government benefits wiih-hal— course the government benefits wiih-heal si— course the government benefits with load of dough. �*ifwit; with a big load of dough. well, in with a big load of dough. well, is-is— with a big load of dough. well, is-is isss— with a big load of dough. well, in-in1989lwas,- with a big load of dough. well, in-in1989lwas, it- in 19, well in 1989 it was, it was for off £65 billion. was sold for off £65 billion. we so that would be going into. but since then they've been sahsilisisg— but since then they've been subsidising an— but since then they've been subsidising an awful it, subsidising an awful lot of it, sahsilisisg— subsidising these industries isar— subsidising these industries ihai have— subsidising these industries that have cost— subsidising these industries that have cost us extra money. so that have cost us extra money. he ihew— that have cost us extra money. so they haven't— that have cost us extra money. so they haven't been run efficiently— so they haven't been run efficiently .— so they haven't been run efficiently . i— so they haven't been run efficiently . i mean, the efficiently. i mean, the argamesi— efficiently. i mean, the argument was that it was competition— argument was that it was competition that was going to mahe— competition that was going to mahe ii— competition that was going to mahe ii wsrh— competition that was going to make it work .— competition that was going to make it work . well, look what make it work. well, look what

haaaesel— make it work. well, look what haaaesel is— make it work. well, look what happened to the— make it work. well, look what happened to the to energy happened to the to the energy ssmaames— happened to the to the energy companies, the— happened to the to the energy companies, the big energy companies, the big six energy sssssaasies — companies. it was a cartel. weal. — companies. it was a cartel. weal. ihe— companies. it was a cartel. yeah. the point— companies. it was a cartel. yeah. the point of- companies. it was a cartel. yeah. the point of privatisation is that run by experts, by is that it's run by experts, by businessmen and business women, not mandarins, not government mandarins. that's supposed mandarins. and that's supposed to yes, you mandarins. and that's supposed to benefit yes, you mandarins. and that's supposed to benefit from yes, you mandarins. and that's supposed to benefit from it yes, you mandarins. and that's supposed to benefit from it financially. may benefit from it financially. you get you get a massive lump sum from the, in my case, up there from severn trent, for example . but the benefit is example. but also the benefit is that streamlined , it that it's more streamlined, it should and so should be run better. and so it's win win. it should it's a win win. it should theoretically be a win. but theoretically be a win win. but you say instead of i p p but you say instead of mandarins, you— you say instead of mandarins, wsa—hail you get business experts. but whar— you get business experts. but wsar—are- you get business experts. but wsar—are ii-sl what you're getting are it's lihe— what you're getting are it's ihe-si- what you're getting are it's lihe-si ihe- what you're getting are it's like of the chairs what you're getting are it's- like-of the chairs on like a shifting of the chairs on the like a shifting of the chairs on he iiiasis— like a shifting of the chairs on he iiiasis .— like a shifting of the chairs on the titanic . and— like a shifting of the chairs on the titanic . and you've got the titanic. and you've got aesale— the titanic. and you've got aesaie whs-e— the titanic. and you've got people who've come from off the waier— people who've come from off the water regulator— people who've come from off the water regulator heading up the waier— water regulator heading up the waier company— water regulator heading up the water company, and then people going— water company, and then people gsisg-hai— water company, and then people gsisg-hal ihew-re- water company, and then people going but they're going going from no, but they're going irsm— going from no, but they're going irsm-ihew-re- going from no, but they're going from _they're it's- going from no, but they're going from they're it's all from ofwat. so they're it's all in from ofwat. so they're it's all is haml— from ofwat. so they're it's all is hasl .— from ofwat. so they're it's all is hasl . iis— from ofwat. so they're it's all in hand . it's all— from ofwat. so they're it's all in hand . it's all that's in hand. it's all that's why ihew— in hand. it's all that's why they-everything- in hand. it's all that's why they everything about how they know everything about how to they know everything about how is-sai— they know everything about how is-sai si— they know everything about how is-sai si ihe— they know everything about how to out of the loopholes to get out of the loopholes hesse— because they're the ones who hssw— because they're the ones who know-regulation- because they're the ones who know regulation the know the regulation about the waei — know the regulation about the waei whish— know the regulation about the water, which great, but it's water, which is great, but it's ssi— water, which is great, but it's ssi-gear— water, which is great, but it's ssilgreai as— water, which is great, but it's not great us because not for great us because they hssw— not for great us because they hssw-sas-saii know that they can give out a lsal— know that they can give out a hal—whes- know that they can give out a load _when there'si load of sewage when there's a ilssl— load of sewage when there's a iissl asl— load of sewage when there's a flood and they've— load of sewage when there's a flood and they've got a certain she— flood and they've got a certain number-can.andl number that they can do and whish— number that they can do and which happening. number that they can do and which all happening. number that they can do and which all releasingening. number that they can do and which all releasing sewage, they're all releasing sewage, saws—ers- they're all releasing sewage, saws—ess .| raw sewage into the rivers, whish— raw sewage into the rivers, whish is— raw sewage into the rivers, which is making it, you know,

whish—.- which is making it, you know, whish—. th- which is making it, you know,- which_. why should which is disgusting. why should we—wiih- which is disgusting. why shouldi we—wiih-asl we be putting up with that? and whish— we be putting up with that? and whish is— we be putting up with that? and whish is whw— we be putting up with that? and whish is whw i— we be putting up with that? and which is why i think that it shsall— should be a government responsibility— should be a government responsibility . should be a government responsibility. vrtrmi tprtht; should be a government responsibility. vrtrmi responsibility. now, there's no way we can know it would actually be better , but there's actually be better, but there's no reason why it shouldn't be. you you have the same you have you have the same people running yeah. what people running it. yeah. what you your you don't have is your shareholders dividend shareholders getting a dividend . getting dividend of it. . getting a dividend out of it. yeah, it's not in i yeah, because it's not in i mean, and also- yeah, because it's not in i mean, and also there is no ssmaeiiiiss— mean, and also there is no competition water, right? mean, and also there is no comptisn'ti water, right? mean, and also there is no comptisn't a water, right? mean, and also there is no comptisn't a competition.:? there isn't a competition. i sas-i— there isn't a competition. i sas-i saw.— there isn't a competition. i sas-r saw. hs— there isn't a competition. i can't say. do you know what? i les-i— can't say. do you know what? i lss-i-ihames— can't say. do you know what? i don't-thames-i'm| don't fancy thames water. i'm ssi—im- don't fancy thames water. i'mi ssi—rm gsisg not going to use you. i'm going to not going to use you. i'm going is se— not going to use you. i'm going is sewem— not going to use you. i'm going to use severn trent— not going to use you. i'm going to use severn trent or whoever not going to use you. i'm going to usare. vern trent or whoever not going to use you. i'm going to usare. you trent or whoever not going to use you. i'm going to usare. you can't. or whoever not going to use you. i'm going to usare. you can't. that's ever not going to use you. i'm going to usare. you can't. that's what they are. you can't. that's what ssmes—whai- they are. you can't. that's what. comes—what comes comes to your pipe is what comes to comes to your pipe is what comes is-wiihsai— comes to your pipe is what comes to _without being- to your pipe without being hassw-s— to your pipe without being| danny's—yeah, danny's neighbour. yeah, ewasilw—asll danny's neighbour. yeah,. exactly. _and see exactly. to drive up and see me for of tea. i don't think for a cup of tea. i don't think im — for a cup of tea. i don't think im _lsisg- for a cup of tea. i don't think i'm—doing that.. for a cup of tea. i don't think- i'm_doing that. dawn i'm going to be doing that. dawn heessm — i'm going to be doing that. dawn heessm _ha- i'm going to be doing that. dawni heessm _ha- neesom. you're not invited. no. you just i neesom. you're not invited. no. hsa iasi-i seel— neesom. you're not invited. no. you just-i need to— you just said i need to know. it you just said i need to know. ii was— you just said i need to know. ii waslihesrw. — you just said i need to know. it was ltheory. .you- you just said i need to know. it was ltheory. .you wanted| it was a theory. if you wanted to experience. i'm not invited n..— to experience. i'm not invited now. no, you are invited. it's just as now. no, you are invited. it's iasi as well — now. no, you are invited. it's just as well. danny- now. no, you are invited. it's just as well. danny i've- now. vrtr jtr: it's just as well. danny i've not iswiiel— just as well. danny i've not iswiiel .— just as well. danny i've not invited . right.— just as well. danny i've not invited . right. says invited. right. this says ssihisg— invited. right. this says nothing your . nothing without you and your. lei-s— nothing without you and your. let's welcome— nothing without you and your. let's welcome our great let's welcome some of our great hriiish— british voices. they're saasriasiiw- british voices. they're opportunity show opportunity to be on the show asl— opportunity to be on the show asl iell— opportunity to be on the show and tell-what— opportunity to be on the show and tell what they think and tell us what they think ahsai— and tell us what they think about-we're- about the topics we're discussing. _ about the topics we're discussing. of discussing. i've got four of ihem. — discussing. i've got four of ihem. _hrisg- discussing. i've got four of them. bring them on. i've them. let's bring them on. i've got— them. let's bring them on. i've gsi-shessew—

them. let's bring them on. i've gsi-shessew is— them. let's bring them on. i've got chesney in milton got dr. chesney in milton hewses— got dr. chesney in milton keynes, chesney. what do you ihish— think about this? should we renationalise— think about this? should we renationalise water? vv/rt;~tr i: renationalise water? yes. good aiiersssm— renationalise water? yes. good afternoon, nana. yes, i agree with you and nigel. i think it makes sense to— with you and nigel. i think it makes sense to renew- ppr: v gt; i think it makes sense to renew nationalise the makes sense to renew nationalise ihe waier— makes sense to renew nationalise the water industry— makes sense to renew nationalise the water industry . . pr: makes sense to renew nationalise the water industry . ipr: the water industry. and i think it's the water industry. and i think is is— the water industry. and i think it's to do with the costs. currently, the concerns with it's to do with the costs. - currently, the concerns with the leahisg— currently, the concerns with the leahisg aiass— currently, the concerns with the leaking pipes also— currently, the concerns with the leaking pipes also the concerns in leaking pipes also the concerns is ierms— leaking pipes also the concerns is ierms si— leaking pipes also the concerns in terms of the— leaking pipes also the concerns in terms of the loss of water ihrsagh— in terms of the loss of water ihrsagh ihe— in terms of the loss of water through the leaking pipes and alss— through the leaking pipes and alss we— through the leaking pipes and also we know— through the leaking pipes and also we know that there could be alerse— also we know that there could be adverse weather— also we know that there could be adverse weather conditions. so i ihish— adverse weather conditions. so i ihish giwisg— adverse weather conditions. so i ihish giwisg as— adverse weather conditions. so i think giving us more— adverse weather conditions. so i think giving us more control by national closing the water industry seems like the best way forward it would be, wouldn't it? okay. let's go to brian hssgam— it? okay. let's go to brian doogan. brian— .7’ okay. let's go to brian doogan. brian doogs, where is he 7 doogan. brian doogs, where is he eihere— doogan. brian doogs, where is he eihere is— doogan. brian doogs, where is he ? there in solihull. _ doogan. brian doogs, where is he ? there in solihull. brian, you is— ? there in solihull. brian, you are in solihull,_ ? there in solihull. brian, you are in solihull, aren't you somewhere now? are in solihull, aren't you somewhere-now? i indeed. somewhere else now? i am indeed. wasa— somewhere else now? i am indeed. nana how are you? i'm good, thanks. nana how are you? i'm good, thanks . yes. well, look at the thanks. yes. well, look at the industry. nana clearly is not acting in the public interest and that's the overriding concern . and why would it? in a concern. and why would it? in a way, we have 70% of the

privatised water industry owned by foreign investment firms , by by foreign investment firms, by private equity pension funds, businesses based in tax havens, and of course , their overriding and of course, their overriding concern is dividends and getting getting a return on for the shareholder rather than investment in the infrastructure , which is which is much needed . feargal sharkey, who's kind of made this a bit of a life mission , um, he's talked about mission, um, he's talked about three decades of under—invest moment, three decades of regulatory failure, three decades of mismanagement and all topped off with three decades of political vacuum, whether it's almost been devoid of oversight and scrutiny. and i think the regulatory part of this is the overriding problem. it hasn't been properly , properly been properly, properly regulated . and that's where our regulated. and that's where our we have to make a decision in

between whether putting billions of pounds into actually renationalising . this is renationalising. this is actually better than than than a different solution . but we need different solution. but we need a solution . let's go. let's go. a solution. let's go. let's go. lei-s— a solution. let's go. let's go. lei-s gs— a solution. let's go. let's go. lei-s gs is— a solution. let's go. let's go. let's go to david— p let's go. let's go. let's go to david bohm. david sssl— let's go to david bohm. david good afternoon— let's go to david bohm. david good afternoon . _ let's go to david bohm. david good afternoon . i good afternoon. actually, remember the time before it was de—man nationalised and it was before it went private? it was nationalised. the infrastructure was just as bad then, if not worse . and one of the things worse. and one of the things that came out was both from privatisation company's privatisation was the company's promised to spend money on the infrastructure. but i think we're looking at this wrongly. if are failing and if the companies are failing and they're their directors, they're paying their directors, etcetera, millions of pounds, they should be fined etcetera, millions of pounds, commensurate to the damage right , right. and can you imagine if a director was suddenly find £1 million for failure ? they may million for failure? they may actually get their fingers out and do something about it because they could be rewarded, i think, for improving . david,

i think, for improving. david, they should be fired.- pg david, they should be fired. they're ssi— they should be fired. they're ssi lsisg— they should be fired. they're ssi lsisg a— they should be fired. they're not doing a very— they should be fired. they're not doing a very good job at all— not doing a very good job at all-shsall— not doing a very good job at all.-should go.- not doing a very good job at all. should go. they've all. they should go. they've iailel— all. they should go. they've iailel-all— all. they should go. they've failed,-all find- all. they should go. they've failed, all find whatever, failed, fired all find whatever, get..— failed, fired all find whatever, geil. hrisg— failed, fired all find whatever, geil. hrisg is— failed, fired all find whatever, gerl. hrisg is gei- failed, fired all find whatever, get , bring in get rid of get rid, bring in get rid of mem— get rid, bring in get rid of ihem. lee— get rid, bring in get rid of them. lee webb . rt:rt; vv/rt;p p get rid, bring in get rid of— them. lee webb . lee yeah . water them. lee webb. lee yeah. water is a— them. lee webb. lee yeah. water is a sriiisal— them. lee webb. lee yeah. water is a critical resource,— them. lee webb. lee yeah. water is a critical resource, so- them. lee webb. rt:rt; vv/rt;p p water is a critical resource, so it shsall— is a critical resource, so it should never— is a critical resource, so it should never have been ariwaiisel— should never have been privatised in— should never have been privatised in the first place. asl— privatised in the first place. asl ihe— privatised in the first place. asl i-we ss— privatised in the first place. and i've so what- privatised in the first place. and i've so what i understand we haves-i— and i've so what i understand we haves-i hal— and i've so what i understand we haves-i hal a— and i've so what i understand we haven't had a new— and i've so what i understand we haven't had a new reservoir haili— haven't had a new reservoir haili is.— haven't had a new reservoir built in. well— haven't had a new reservoir built in. well over a decade and ihis— built in. well over a decade and ihis is— built in. well over a decade and ihis is ihe— built in. well over a decade and this is the responsibility of ihe— this is the responsibility of ihe waier— this is the responsibility of the water companies that are ariwaiisel— the water companies that are ariwaiisel .— the water companies that are privatised . so— the water companies that are privatised . so the ceo of any privatised. so the ceo of any waier— privatised. so the ceo of any waier ssmaasw— privatised. so the ceo of any water company is— privatised. so the ceo of any water company is there to mamise— water company is there to maximise shareholder profits, asl— maximise shareholder profits, asl ihai-s— maximise shareholder profits, and that's simply what they're esisiisg— and that's simply what they're esisiisg isr— and that's simply what they're esisiisg isr .— and that's simply what they're existing for . so— and that's simply what they're existing for . so profits are existing for. so profits are here— existing for. so profits are there currently— existing for. so profits are there currently earning at the sssssesi — there currently earning at the moment. should— there currently earning at the moment. should be put back right into infrastructure— moment. should be put back right into infrastructure and building resesirwrs— into infrastructure and building reservoirs because just in case wsa— reservoirs because just in case wsa isrgsl— reservoirs because just in case wsa isrgsi. wse-we— reservoirs because just in case you forgot, we've got a few milliss— you forgot, we've got a few million extra— you forgot, we've got a few million extra people now from whes— million extra people now from whes we— million extra people now from whes we iasi— million extra people now from when we last built the last one. so when we last built the last one. he weah— when we last built the last one. he weah. ihew— when we last built the last one. so yeah, they should be back on the nationalisation— so yeah, they should be back on the nationalisation and the gswemmesi— the nationalisation and the government should take charge in the government should take charge in he iaiare— government should take charge in he iaiare si— government should take charge in the future of what— government should take charge in the future of what we need to be lsisg— the future of what we need to be lsisg is — the future of what we need to be doing to actually— the future of what we need to be doing to actually improve the serwise— doing to actually improve the serwise si— doing to actually improve the service of-water. - doing to actually improve the service of water. vv/rt;p p service of our water. yeah. mash— service of our water. yeah. ihash wsa. — service of our water. yeah. thank you. good thoughts. thank you much. mudaliar you very much. dr. mudaliar bnan you very much. dr. mudaliar brian and david barman,

brian dugan and david barman, lee so much. lee webb, thank you so much. right. today i've been right. so today i've been asking, we renationalise asking, should we renationalise the industry? loads of you the water industry? loads of you been your been getting in touch with your thoughts says it thoughts on this? irene says it is it is criminal. is a criminal. it is criminal. these people with these people get away with getting much money for getting paid so much money for ignonng getting paid so much money for ignoring pipes. getting paid so much money for ignoring pipes . and now ignoring leaking pipes. and now the public are being asked to pay the public are being asked to pay bills. so we. pay more bills. so should we. what think , irene? does what do you think, irene? does that should that mean that there should be nationalised says the nationalised? barbara says the water scandal is outrageous. someone should be in jail. it should be brought back to public ownership. the money ownership. paul says the money that we pay for water has been given directors given to fatcat directors and shareholders. the water industry should renationalised no should be renationalised and no compensation paid to compensation should be paid to the says. the greedy shareholder says. yeah, a theme here. i'm yeah, there's a theme here. i'm with i don't even know why with you. i don't even know why it's not it's not a competitive environment. how be environment. so how it should be a private business makes no sense all either. thank sense to me at all either. thank you for of that. but moving you for all of that. but moving on this on to another story now. this caught today. prince caught my eye today. prince william and harry have separately and virtually attended an event which supports young people the name of young people in the name of their mother, late princess their mother, the late princess diana. recorded separate diana. they recorded separate videos congratulating the winners of the ceremony. now the

brothers a part are brothers together are a part are a stark reminder of the chasm that remains between them. so what does it mean? what does it mean? these brothers doing that? george, nigel nelson and also danny kelly. nigel, what do you think ? i mean, mother would be think? i mean, mother would be furious . she'd be in her furious. she'd be turning in her grave see the way grave if she could see the way they're . yes, i think they're behaving. yes, i think i ihish— they're behaving. yes, i think i ihish she— they're behaving. yes, i think i think she would. _ they're behaving. yes, i think i think she would. and- ht; pg yes, i thinki think she would. and what is sad islas— think she would. and what is sad islas ewesr— think she would. and what is sad is.an event like— think she would. and what is sad is an event like they is for an event like this, they sas-i— is for an event like this, they sash—asl- is for an event like this, they. sas-i—asllls is for an event like this, they- can't_and.do it can't come together and to do it asiaaiiw— can't come together and to do it wiriaaliw. iasi— can't come together and to do it virtually, just sending the sigma— virtually, just sending the signal-really. virtually, just sending the. signal-really can't signal that they really can't stand— signal that they really can't stand to— signal that they really can't stand to be— signal that they really can't stand to be in— signal that they really can't stand to be in the same room as each—sake- stand to be in the same room as each—sake of- stand to be in the same room as each—sake of theiri each other for the sake of their mother. — each other for the sake of their mother. an— each other for the sake of their mother. an award— each other for the sake of their mother. an award ceremony like this,— mother. an award ceremony like this, irs— mother. an award ceremony like this, n-s to— mother. an award ceremony like this, n-s to do— mother. an award ceremony like this, it's to do with— mother. an award ceremony like this, it's to do with young people— this, it's to do with young people .— this, it's to do with young peopp. . p-e— this, it's to do with young people . it's the one time i'd people. it's the one time i'd upe— people. it's the one time i'd like to— people. it's the one time i'd like to eee— people. it's the one time i'd like to see harry— people. it's the one time i'd like to see harry back in this country. — like to see harry back in this country. i— like to see harry back in this country. i-know- like to see harry back in this country. i don't know about that, danny. the only thing that is keeping— that, danny. the only thing that e keeping-ewe— that, danny. the only thing that is keeping-two talking,- is keeping those two talking, whether—or- whether it's physically or .pp..pp,_ whether it's physically or vpppeup ie— whether it's physically or virtually, is the mother . virtually, is the mother. william,— virtually, is the mother. william, understandably loathe his william, understandably loathe pie pepper.— william, understandably loathe his brother. after— william, understandably loathe his brother. after after after all his brother. after after after an pee— his brother. after after after all he's done.— his brother. after after after all he's done. and with hindsight,— all he's done. and with hindsight, he- all he's done. and with hindsight, he was right to smack him hindsight, he was right to smack ppm p..— hindsight, he was right to smack ppm p. the— hindsight, he was right to smack him in the kitchen— hindsight, he was right to smack him in the kitchen at frogmore house— him in the kitchen at frogmore house and— him in the kitchen at frogmore house. and harry— him in the kitchen at frogmore house. and harry should have defended— house. and harry should have defended himself and smacked him peek.— defended himself and smacked him peek. eut— defended himself and smacked him peek. but he— defended himself and smacked him back. but he didn't.— defended himself and smacked him back. but he didn't. so william wettes— back. but he didn't. so william teetpee mm.— back. but he didn't. so william loathes him. and— back. but he didn't. so william

loathes him. and i— back. but he didn't. so william loathes him. and i understand why.— loathes him. and i understand why. if— loathes him. and i understand why. .p t— loathes him. and i understand why. if it wasn't— loathes him. and i understand why. if it wasn't for princess pp...— why. if it wasn't for princess diana .— why. if it wasn't for princess diana , thet— why. if it wasn't for princess diana , that would be end of diana, that would be the end of tetr— diana, that would be the end of their relationship. _ their relationship. do you thinke— their relationship. do you- think.7_yeah. well think? yeah. hundred% yeah. well what— think.7 yeah. hundred% yeah. well whee-peer— think.7 yeah. hundred% yeah. well what your thoughts think? yeah. hundred% yeah. well what your thoughts on that what are your thoughts on that one? want back? no one? do we want harry back? no no, that's all right. but it's time now for supplement sunday. this is the part of the show where my panel is fixed, stories that tickled their fancy. that have tickled their fancy. let's with nigel story. let's start with nigel story. nigel ulez is about what rolling stones or mick jagger? yeah. what i think we ought to congratulate— what i think we ought to congratulate 79 congratulate mick jagger, 79 peere— congratulate mick jagger, 79 years ete- — congratulate mick jagger, 79 years old. he's— congratulate mick jagger, 79 years old. he's got he's engaged to years old. he's got he's engaged telmemee— years old. he's got he's engaged to.married.his_ years old. he's got he's engaged to married his girlfriend to be married to his girlfriend .-hemtek,- to be married to his girlfriend .-hamrick, who's- to be married to his girlfriend . hamrick, who's half . and mel hamrick, who's half his age— . and mel hamrick, who's half his ege ent— . and mel hamrick, who's half his age and after— . and mel hamrick, who's half his age and after so many prurient— his age and after so many girlfriend ends,- his age and after so many girlfriend ends, he should hope the— girlfriend ends, he should hope that the— girlfriend ends, he should hope that this will— girlfriend ends, he should hope that this will be— girlfriend ends, he should hope that this will be the last time. wett— that this will be the last time. wett. hew— that this will be the last time. wett. haw att— that this will be the last time. well, how old is— that this will be the last time. well, how old is he?— that this will be the last time. well, how old is he? oh- that this will be the last time. well, how old is he? oh how old is he? oh, very good. very good. nice one. no, quite cool, is he? oh, very good. very good. nice one. no, quite cool , that nice one. no, quite cool, that hat— nice one. no, quite cool, that hat haw— nice one. no, quite cool, that one. but how old— nice one. no, quite cool, that one. but how old is he? 79, right? yeah, he's 79. yeah. yeah.— right? yeah, he's 79. yeah. yeah. daddy this is a great story about members of the royal family deciding not to take part in diversity and inclusivity training despite the lady hussey scandal. so a lot of people are eayhp— scandal. so a lot of people are saying members— scandal. so a lot of people are saying members of— f: so a lot of people are saying members of the royal tamttp— saying members of the royal tahtty, yea— saying members of the royal family, you need— saying members of the royal family, you need to you need to

be family, you need to you need to he hae— family, you need to you need to be more inclusive.— family, you need to you need to be more inclusive. you need to go be more inclusive. you need to pa-eaatee— be more inclusive. you need to pa-eaatee appet— be more inclusive. you need to go course about unconscious go on a course about unconscious htae. — go on a course about unconscious htae. _hatl bias. and i don't know who, but they-ve— bias. and i don't know who, but p..p.._no,_ bias. and i don't know who, but they've - no, which - they've just said no, which is great.— they've just said no, which is great-_tea- they've just said no, which is. peat-_tea-ta great. you know, if you want to go-unconscious- go on an unconscious bias eaaee-h—ti go on an unconscious bias. etaaeehh—t hat course, you do it. but i'm not going— course, you do it. but i'm not pang-aha— course, you do it. but i'm not papa-aha hat- course, you do it. but i'm not going and nor would i. going on one, and nor would i. wett— going on one, and nor would i. wett. .— going on one, and nor would i. wett. . ththt— going on one, and nor would i. well, i think it's— going on one, and nor would i. well, i think it's a— going on one, and nor would i. well, i think it's a ridiculous unconscious bias is one of those things say, don't things where they say, you don't know, you're being racist, but you you're you are, but you're being unconscious so unconscious about it. so i'm going to constantly you going to constantly tell you that you're that that's what you're thinking, though you thinking, even though you weren't then weren't thinking that it then becomes weren't thinking that it then beconof and that becomes your aware of and that becomes your bias. didn't exist bias. but maybe it didn't exist in place. i hate this in the first place. i hate this eattate — in the first place. i hate thisi eattate—taet culture at the moment. i just the— culture at the moment. i just the-what— culture at the moment. i just like-what-beingl like to know what i'm being unconsciously— like to know what i'm beingi unconsciously-well, unconsciously biased. well, they-u— unconsciously biased. well, they-tt—tt- unconsciously biased. well, they-tt—tttel unconsciously biased. well, they'll it is and they'll tell you what it is and then you put it in your consciousness it you consciousness and it makes you bust, even though you haven't even it. yeah. even thought about it. yeah. you yeah. that's what you reckon? yeah. that's what they do. it's called unconscious hae— they do. it's called unconscious that because— they do. it's called unconscious bias because you've— chit it's called unconscious bias because you've never thought— bias because you've never thought-they- bias because you've never- thought-they thought bias because you've never thought then. they thought bias because you've never thought then. certainlythought bias because you've never thought then. certainly the ght about it then. certainly the eappeettah— about it then. certainly the suggestion i suggestion into your brain. i ththt— suggestion into your brain. i ththt ataat— suggestion into your brain. i think about that. _ suggestion into your brain. i think about that. yeah,- suggestion into your brain. i think about that. yeah, right. well, let's take look at my well, let's take a look at my stay— well, let's take a look at my start—te- story then. now, this is my eappteheht. — story then. now, this is my supplement. officers have supplement. police officers have heea—a- been stopped from wearing a haaae— been stopped from wearing a hate whteh— been stopped from wearing a badge which commemorates eatteapaee— badge which commemorates colleagues - have - badge which commemorates colleagues have been killed colleagues that have been killed whttet— colleagues that have been killed whttet eehhp— colleagues that have been killed whilst serving in— colleagues that have been killed whilst serving in their force , whilst serving in their force, sparking— whilst serving in their force, epattthp appet— whilst serving in their force, sparking anger from the families of sparking anger from the families tat-ethere— sparking anger from the families of-officers. now,- of the fallen officers. now, the hate — of the fallen officers. now, the hate _the — of the fallen officers. now, the badge _the thin - of the fallen officers. now, the badge the thin blue line badge shows the thin blue line empten— badge shows the thin blue line

ehhteh, hat— badge shows the thin blue line ehhteh, hat a— badge shows the thin blue line emblem, but a similar symbol is tteptayet— emblem, but a similar symbol is tteptayet h— emblem, but a similar symbol is displayed in the— emblem, but a similar symbol is displayed in the branding of the ttahephahte— displayed in the branding of the transphobic far— displayed in the branding of the transphobic far right group in the us. — transphobic far right group in the us. so— transphobic far right group in the us. so officers were banned heh— the us. so officers were banned ham wearing— the us. so officers were banned from wearing the— the us. so officers were banned from wearing the badge at pride eehte— from wearing the badge at pride eveheeaeetl— from wearing the badge at pride events-case it— from wearing the badge at pride events case it offended events in case it offended hehehte— events in case it offended members of— events in case it offended members of lgbt+ community. members of the lgbt+ community. eet-e— members of the lgbt+ community. tet-e eee— members of the lgbt+ community. tet-e what— members of the lgbt+ community. let's see what my— members of the lgbt+ community. let's see what my panel think of that. — let's see what my panel think of that. happy.— let's see what my panel think of that. danny, why— let's see what my panel think of that. danny, why are- let's see what my panel think of that. "lt“q titty at; that. danny, why are we pandenng that. danny, why are we pandering to such a tiny minority ? less than i. pandering to such a tiny minority ? less than 1. why are minority? less than 1. why are we doing it? why can't we? why can't the old bill wear that badge with pride to remember the heroes have have lost their heroes that have have lost their lives trying to our lives? lives trying to save our lives? because being cop like a far because being a cop like a far right apparently, right flag, apparently, that doesn't okay so if it doesn't matter. okay so if it does, that's unfortunate. does, well, that's unfortunate. it's if you it's the thin blue line. if you don't it, that's it. don't don't like it, that's it. don't even look at cover. i think even look at the cover. i think that the police _ even look at the cover. i think that the police officers- that the police officers individually- individually should make their awn—ta own decision about whether to wear—teette- own decision about whether to. wear—decide because wear it. they may decide because of wear it. they may decide because at—wtth- of its connotations with the hpht— of its connotations with the hpht-that— of its connotations with the hpht-that tt- of its connotations with the right that it would be right wing that it would be better— right wing that it would be better hat— right wing that it would be better not-it— right wing that it would be better not-it-bel right wing that it would be. better not-it-be to better not to. it should be to tawn— better not to. it should be to town-ha— better not to. it should be to town-ha yea- better not to. it should be to down do you think? yeah. down them. do you think? yeah. yeah — down them. do you think? yeah. yeah _h- down them. do you think? yeah. yeah _ttwtthi yeah they should wear it with pride. yeah but it's to them, pride. yeah but it's up to them, tea-t— pride. yeah but it's up to them, teh-t yea— pride. yeah but it's up to them, tea-t pea thaw— pride. yeah but it's up to them, tea-t you that .— at: “43?" but it's up to them, isn't you know , barging t:t::; “43?" but it's up to them, isn't you know , barging a t:ti “43?" but it's up to them, isn't you know , barging a guy isn't you know, barging a guy over your head— isn't you know, barging a guy over your head to— isn't you know, barging a guy over your head to this thing . over your head to this thing. vea— over your head to this thing. you hete— over your head to this thing. you were caught— over your head to this thing. you were caught up- over your head to this thing. you were caught up not- over your head to this thing. you were caught up not listening . they're in it. yeah. yeah. yes

pay . they're in it. yeah. yeah. yes hay attehttah. — . they're in it. yeah. yeah. yes pay attention. nice.— it; ”til i c / yeah. yes pay attention. nice. okay. it; ”ti " c / yeah. yes pay attention. nice. okay. cites; pay attention. nice. okay. okay . stay— pay attention. nice. okay. okay . stay focussed._ pay attention. nice. okay. cites; stay focussed. stay focussed pay attention. nice. okay. stay focussed. stay focussed . . stay focussed. stay focussed. wen, — . stay focussed. stay focussed. wen, tteteh— . stay focussed. stay focussed. well, listen, it's— stay focussed. stay focussed. well, listen, it's been fun on today-e— well, listen, it's been fun on tatap-e shew,— well, listen, it's been fun on today's show, i've- well, listen, it's been fun on today's show, i've been asking, heate— today's show, i've been asking, waatt yea— today's show, i've been asking, waatt you he— today's show, i've been asking, would you be happy with a pylon in would you be happy with a pylon th year— would you be happy with a pylon th year tact— would you be happy with a pylon in your back yard— would you be happy with a pylon in your back yard ?_ would you be happy with a pylon in your back yard ? and according in your back yard? and according to aa— in your back yard? and according to twtttet— in your back yard? and according to our twitter poll,— in your back yard? and according to our twitter poll, 6.7% of you eat— to our twitter poll, 6.7% of you eat tee— to our twitter poll, 6.7% of you eat tee aha— to our twitter poll, 6.7% of you said yes and 93.3%_ to our twitter poll, 6.7% of you said yes and 93.3% of you say t— said yes and 93.3% of you say t have— said yes and 93.3% of you say t have ha— said yes and 93.3% of you say no. i have no idea— said yes and 93.3% of you say no. i have no idea why the government— no. i have no idea why the government thinks it's a good ttea— government thinks it's a good ttea .— government thinks it's a good ttea . tt— government thinks it's a good ttea . tt yea-e— government thinks it's a good idea . if you're watching and idea. if you're watching and patented— idea. if you're watching and ttetehthp th— idea. if you're watching and listening in governmental chatea— listening in governmental circles, madness . nobody circles, it's madness. nobody wante— circles, it's madness. nobody wants n.— circles, it's madness. nobody wants tt. tte— circles, it's madness. nobody wants it. we don't want it. and i wants it. we don't want it. and t tap-t— wants it. we don't want it. and t teat-phea- wants it. we don't want it. and t teat-pitta th- wants it. we don't want it. and i don't pylon in my back i don't fancy a pylon in my back tart.— i don't fancy a pylon in my back para-ethni— i don't fancy a pylon in my back yard. simply wouldn't yard. i just simply wouldn't have—have- yard. i just simply wouldn't have—have it.| have it. iwouldn't have it. thaphe— have it. i wouldn't have it. imagine bumping into a pylon imagine me bumping into a pylon and imagine me bumping into a pylon aha-eae— imagine me bumping into a pylon ahtleae them.— imagine me bumping into a pylon and-sue them. i— imagine me bumping into a pylon and sue them. i said, i'm and i'd sue them. i said, i'm earn,— and i'd sue them. i said, i'm sorry,-shouldn't- and i'd sue them. i said, i'm sorry, shouldn't have sorry, but it shouldn't have peep— sorry, but it shouldn't have heea—pat sorry, but it shouldn't have. heea—pat ta been there. listen, i've got to say,— been there. listen, i've got to save—vou- been there. listen, i've got to eat—yea ta- say, a huge thank you to my tahataae— say, a huge thank you to my fabulous-danny- say, a huge thank you to my fabulous danny kelly, fabulous panel, danny kelly, happy,— fabulous panel, danny kelly, danna—heed danny, thank you very much very much. — danny, thank you very much very much. _heteahl much. and also nigel nelson, peat—apath- much. and also nigel nelson, peat—agate .- much. and also nigel nelson, good again . you're good to see you again. you're tact—teat- good to see you again. you're tact—teat youl back again, aren't you? you hevetete-h - back again, aren't you? you never-here. yes,- back again, aren't you? you. never-here. yes, that's never leave here. yes, that's right. i'm back again. with right. i'm back again. i'm with you next sunday, next sunday and on morning . on on tuesday morning. wonderful. i've wonderful. well, listen, i've got— wonderful. well, listen, i've got-a— wonderful. well, listen, i've pat-a huge- wonderful. well, listen, i've got a huge thank got to say, a huge thank you to you— got to say, a huge thank you to yea-tat— got to say, a huge thank you to pea-tat heme— got to say, a huge thank you to you .for home your- got to say, a huge thank you to you for home your company as you at for home your company as wet.— you at for home your company as wet tte— you at for home your company as wet tt-e-a— you at for home your company as well. it's-a pleasure.- you at for home your company as well. it's a pleasure. as well. it's been a pleasure. as ever—yea eahl ever. don't forget, you can cheet— ever. don't forget, you can check out— ever. don't forget, you can check out the— ever. don't forget, you can check out the gb news app and cheat— check out the gb news app and cheat-the— check out the gb news app and check-the show— check out the gb news app and check-the show if- check out the gb news app and check the show if you missed check out the show if you missed it check out the show if you missed tt-etteah — check out the show if you missed tt-etteah att— check out the show if you missed it - stream all of - check out the show if you missed it-stream all of the - it live or stream all of the shatte— it live or stream all of the shape-ah— it live or stream all of the shows on youtube. i'll be

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