by her ankles and a balcony by her ankles and threatened— a balcony by her ankles and threatened to— a balcony by her ankles and threatened to drop her unless my stayed— threatened to drop her unless my stayed in— threatened to drop her unless my mum stayed in that relationship. former— mum stayed in that relationship. former conservative— mum stayed in that relationship. former conservative cabinet- former conservative cabinet minister george eustice. i do think there is such a " cog; bf i do think there is such a thing as " c: cr i do think there is such a thing as a maternal— think there is such a thing as a maternal instinct— think there is such a thing as a maternal instinct and i think it's maternal instinct and i think n-s wrong— maternal instinct and i think n-s wrong to— maternal instinct and i think it's wrong to deny it. shadow business— it's wrong to deny it. shadow business minister labour's seema mamma- — business minister labour's seema malhotra. consumers— business minister labour's seema malhotra. g malhotra. consumers are paying a lot more than they should for goods because of these fake reviews, but also subscription traps. well, that's after . news traps. well, that's after. news rm — traps. well, that's after. news rm rhiannon— traps. well, that's after. news i'm rhiannon jones. here are your top stories from the gb news newsroom. the grandmother of a boy killed by police in paris during a traffic stop is urging protesters to end the riots . the french government is riots. the french government is holding crisis talks this evening to address the civil unrest after a fifth night of violence . nahel marzouk's violence. nahel marzouk's grandmother says rioters are using his death as an excuse to cause havoc . the family has cause havoc. the family has called for calm . the city's called for calm. the city's regional president, valery

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morning. — is very shocking thing this morning. and— is very shocking thing this morning. and every every myers in france— morning. and every every myers in france wants— morning. and every every myers in france wants that the state ene— in france wants that the state and emmanuel— in france wants that the state and emmanuel macron take take more more , more measures to stop more more, more measures to stop the more more, more measures to stop nne eneee— more more, more measures to stop nne eneee. — more more, more measures to stop nne eneee. ine— more more, more measures to stop the chaos . two people- more more, more measures to stop the chaos. two people have been killed in a mass shooting in the us state of maryland. police say up to 30 people suffered gunshot wounds. three are in a critical condition . the attack happened condition. the attack happened in the city of baltimore where people had gathered for an event called brooklyn day . the suspect called brooklyn day. the suspect or suspects , are reportedly or suspects, are reportedly still at large . the us president still at large. the us president will meet king charles and the prime minister when he visits the uk next week. buckingham palace has confirmed joe biden will visit windsor castle on the 10th of july. the white house says he's travelling to london to strengthen the close relationship between the nations. he'll then head to lithuania for the nato summit before going to finland . new before going to finland. new measures to deal with disruptive demonstrations have come into

force . they include expanded force. they include expanded police powers to move on static or slow walking protests like those used by just stop oil a criminal offence to tackle disruption in tunnels has also been introduced , carrying jail been introduced, carrying jail terms of up to three years. critics say the laws threaten the right to protest . at the right to protest. at meanwhile , all five just stop meanwhile, all five just stop oil activists have been charged with behaviour likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress . harassment, alarm or distress. yes, they were arrested for disrupting london's pride march yesterday . tv online gab disrupting london's pride march yesterday. tv online gab plus radio and on tune in this is gb news. now it's time for gloria meets . meets. so gloria, thanks for coming in and talking about

don't do that . that's alarming. don't do that. that's alarming. it's don't do that. that's alarming. we made— don't do that. that's alarming. we made me— don't do that. that's alarming. it's made me very— jn:n�* l 3: that's alarming. it's made me very emotionally eon— it's made me very emotionally en en— it's made me very emotionally sort of concerned. _ it's made me very emotionally sort of concerned. tell me about nnen— sort of concerned. tell me about nnen yen— sort of concerned. tell me about what you thought— sort of concerned. tell me about what you thought of the book. inn— what you thought of the book. inn n— what you thought of the book. inn n e— what you thought of the book. this is a great— what you thought of the book. this is a great book. should i enem— this is a great book. should i enene ven— this is a great book. should i start? yeah. good— this is a great book. should i start? yeah. good shadow health secretary— start? yeah. good shadow health secretary labour's— start? yeah. good shadow health secretary labour's wes streeting . were— secretary labour's wes streeting . we're recording— secretary labour's wes streeting . we're recording on the innneeey— . we're recording on the innneeey .— . we're recording on the thursday . it's- . we're recording on the thursday . it's going . we're recording on the thursday. it's going out on sunny,— thursday. it's going out on sunny, nun— thursday. it's going out on sunday, but it's- thursday. it's going out on sunday, but it's the evening of your— sunday, but it's the evening of your book— sunday, but it's the evening of your book launch.— sunday, but it's the evening of your book launch. we're here at your— your book launch. we're here at your ele— your book launch. we're here at your old school.— your book launch. we're here at your old school. it's a great neon— your old school. it's a great been. inani— your old school. it's a great book. thank you. - your old school. it's a great book. thank you. really enjoyed it. book. thank you. really enjoyed in -nenn— book. thank you. really enjoyed in. -nenn ne— book. thank you. really enjoyed it. -born to teenage. it. so you're born to teenage perennee— it. so you're born to teenage perennee vee— it. so you're born to teenage parents? yes. you— it. so you're born to teenage parents? yes. you grew up on a counci— parents? yes. you grew up on a council estate.— parents? yes. you grew up on a council estate. you— parents? yes. you grew up on a council estate. you experienced neveny— council estate. you experienced neveny .— council estate. you experienced peveny . ven— council estate. you experienced neveny . yen nee— council estate. you experienced poverty . you had grandparents in poverty. you had grandparents in insen— poverty. you had grandparents in prison .— poverty. you had grandparents in prison . ane— poverty. you had grandparents in prison . and that— poverty. you had grandparents in prison . and that is— poverty. you had grandparents in prison . and that is a hell of a prison. and that is a hell of a net.— prison. and that is a hell of a net. ven— prison. and that is a hell of a list. you make— prison. and that is a hell of a list. you make it— prison. and that is a hell of a list. you make it to cambridge university— list. you make it to cambridge university and— list. you make it to cambridge university and you're a very senior politics— university and you're a very senior politics now. do you enu— senior politics now. do you enu enink— senior politics now. do you still think of— senior politics now. do you still think of yourself as working— still think of yourself as working class? “in; working class? yes, to an extent. i'm very proud of my background. i think i always describe myself as having a working class background, but i'm under no illusion, not least because there are a lot of my family whose lives are better off than they were in in the in

the early years described in the book, but still struggle to get by. i'm not going to pretend that being a member of parliament on the salary that i earn with the level of security that i have for the first time in my life , that my life is the in my life, that my life is the same as it was then or that i have the same challenges as, say , my mum who works as a cleaner . there are lots of people in my family like my dad, who've managed to work hard, get on the housing ladder and sort of work their way up. who, you my their way up. who, you know, my dad would say , i think dad would still say, i think he's working class. i don't think your class leaves you think your class ever leaves you in way. and i'm proud in the way. and i'm very proud of my even though, as i of my roots, even though, as i often say in terms of my work as a politician in i don't want kids to up experiencing the kids to grow up experiencing the same sort of poverty and hardships that experienced hardships that i experienced growing mum and growing up. certainly my mum and her the family her side of the family experience up , you know, experience growing up, you know, that's one of the reasons why i'm in politics, because i want to make sure that from to make sure that kids from backgrounds like have the backgrounds like mine have the same choices and same chances and choices and opportunities and security that

ihave opportunities and security that i have now . we both had the i have now. we both had the epeene— i have now. we both had the experience of— i have now. we both had the experience of being- we both had the experience of being on free eeneer— experience of being on free eeneer neare— experience of being on free school meals ._ experience of being on free school meals. i— experience of being on free school meals. i remember having to school meals. i remember having re prena— school meals. i remember having re erene p..— school meals. i remember having re erene in e— school meals. i remember having to stand in a different at eeneer— to stand in a different at school queue— to stand in a different at school queue because i was a nee— school queue because i was a free eeneer— school queue because i was a free school meal— school queue because i was a free school meal kid and i it was humiliating.— free school meal kid and i it was humiliating. i don't know if you neve— was humiliating. i don't know if yer nave anv— was humiliating. i don't know if yer nave any or— was humiliating. i don't know if you have any of those stories. vern— you have any of those stories. venn. ren— you have any of those stories. venn, very much— you have any of those stories. yeah, very much so.— you have any of those stories. yeah, very much so. i- you have any of those stories. yeah, very much so. i mean exactly the same in primary school. it was, it was a leveller. so mums , mums and dads leveller. so mums, mums and dads would hand in the dinner money at the reception on the monday morning. those of us who didn't have kyiv to pay and we got free school meals, you wouldn't tell the difference. no one knew who was in and out of the office and when you went into the school hall, you all got your dinners together . when i hall, you all got your dinners together. when i came to this school, the big for was school, the big shock for me was big long queue to get into the school hall. and then once you get there, i was put into a different queue and it was straight away. i thought, oh my god, in poor kids queue god, i'm in the poor kids queue basically . when you're basically. and when you're trying in and make new trying to fit in and make new

friends and think about first impressions, i just felt like i was standing under these massive flashing neon lights saying, hello, we're the poor kids and that that stigma hasn't i still l, that that stigma hasn't i still i, i feel it viscerally. and in fact , the irony of this book in fact, the irony of this book in a way , is that. fact, the irony of this book in a way , is that . the sort of 12, a way, is that. the sort of 12, 13 year old me here at this school would never have wanted to tell any of these stories. and it has taken me about 30 years to be in a position where i can i feel able to share this story . and i must say it's the story. and i must say it's the most terrifying thing i've done in my life, because as politicians, you're not supposed to show vulnerability . um, you to show vulnerability. um, you know, i'm very protective of my family and as people will find when they read it, this is not just my story. in fact, it's very much my parents story. my grandparents story. it's warts and all. and there are lots of painful family stories in there. and while done it with and while i've done it with their permission , their their permission, their

blessing, written blessing, i couldn't written this their full this book without their full support. have support. and i wouldn't have written without full written it without their full support. still nervous support. i'm still nervous because when people pick up books and they talk about characters , these are real characters, these are real people and so i feel, yes, i'm very excited, but very nervous about sharing some of these stories. your mum and dad split up nnen— stories. your mum and dad split up nnen vou— stories. your mum and dad split up nnen yen ere— stories. your mum and dad split up when you were a— your mum and dad split up when you were a baby. when yen-re— up when you were a baby. when yen-re appur— up when you were a baby. when you're about two _ up when you were a baby. when you're about two years old, she pere— you're about two years old, she pere reperner— you're about two years old, she gets together with— you're about two years old, she gets together with a man called renni— gets together with a man called lenny .— gets together with a man called lenny . r— gets together with a man called penny . r rene— gets together with a man called lenny . i read the— gets together with a man called lenny . i read the book. he is lenny. i read the book. he is a perenn— lenny. i read the book. he is a violent, controlling brute. your were-e— violent, controlling brute. your were-e wnen— violent, controlling brute. your words. when she— violent, controlling brute. your words. when she broke up with him— words. when she broke up with nrn, ne— words. when she broke up with nrn, ne nerd— words. when she broke up with him, he held her— words. when she broke up with him, he held her hostage for 24 newe— him, he held her hostage for 24 news ene— him, he held her hostage for 24 hours and ended— him, he held her hostage for 24 hours and ended up in prison for wner— hours and ended up in prison for we ne— hours and ended up in prison for we ne ere— hours and ended up in prison for what he did to— hours and ended up in prison for what he did to your— hours and ended up in prison for what he did to your mum nearly 40 what he did to your mum nearly no weare— what he did to your mum nearly re years age— what he did to your mum nearly re years age .— what he did to your mum nearly 40 years ago . there'll be women 40 years ago. there'll be women rner— 40 years ago. there'll be women rner pe— 40 years ago. there'll be women rner pe rnrenen— 40 years ago. there'll be women that go through that same epeiene— that go through that same experience now. men are still peering— experience now. men are still beating up— experience now. men are still beating up their— experience now. men are still beating up their wives and pirirrienie— beating up their wives and girlfriends ,_ beating up their wives and girlfriends , murdering them in girlfriends, murdering them in some cases. you— girlfriends, murdering them in some cases. you were very, very some cases. you were very, very young-— some cases. you were very, very young- ner— some cases. you were very, very young- net i— some cases. you were very, very young- per i iner— some cases. you were very, very young. but i just wondered if iner— young. but i just wondered if that experience— young. but i just wondered if that experience had taught you enwrninp— that experience had taught you enwrninp eperi— that experience had taught you anything about how we deal with that anything about how we deal with net eeri— anything about how we deal with we set ei— anything about how we deal with we set er i— anything about how we deal with that sort of i don't— anything about how we deal with that sort of i don't know if you eeri— that sort of i don't know if you eeii ir— that sort of i don't know if you can call it masculinity. yeah i

ieiinireiw— can call it masculinity. yeah i definitely want— can call it masculinity. yeah i definitely want to _ can call it masculinity. yeah i definitely want to call it masculinity. - definitely want to call it masculinity. i that was one of there were a few things in the book that i found very hard to write about , as book that i found very hard to write about, as in this case as a son. in other cases, as a grandson, i, i mean, i don't remember any of it because i was too young as i was writing about it. the main thing i just thought was how incredibly courageous my mum must have been , because now you look at the statistics . most men who hit statistics. most men who hit women beat women, rape women don't even see the inside of a courtroom , let alone the inside courtroom, let alone the inside of a prison cell. so for my courtroom, let alone the inside of a prison cell . so for my mum of a prison cell. so for my mum to have escaped that controlling relationship had the courage to go to the police to see it through to the court with her younger sister, i think was barely a teenager and at one point he he had had such a control all that he had taken my mum's younger sister dangled her over a balcony by her ankles and

threatened to drop her unless my mum stayed in that relationship . so when you have that sort of threat, not just to yourself but to the people you love hanging over i cannot imagine what over you, i cannot imagine what my gone through my mum must have gone through and was one of the times in and it was one of the times in my where my mum actually my life where my mum actually handed my dad and his handed me over to my dad and his dad, grandad, because , you dad, my grandad, because, you know, although no harm did come to worried that it to me, she was worried that it would . and i imagine what would. and i cannot imagine what she have been she would have been going through courage through in the courage she showed. honestly showed. and, you know, honestly , she, 40 years later, she is the criminal justice system in a much better place . us. i can't much better place. us. i can't honestly say that it is. and i think we've got to do two things. one is tough open up the criminal justice system . so criminal justice system. so whether it's in the course of the police investigation or the process that women go through to see a case through to prosecution, the speed at which it through to see through it goes through to see through a prosecution, we've to make prosecution, we've got to make improvement but frankly, improvement there. but frankly, when comes to violence when it comes to violence against girls , this against women and girls, this isn't a problem for women to solve. for us to solve. it's a problem for us to solve. it's a problem for us to

solve men. and that starts solve as men. and that starts with boys and even in my own borough today, i astonished borough today, i am astonished at stories that primary and at the stories that primary and secondary school girls tell me about the catcalling, the wolf whistling , the unwarranted whistling, the unwarranted touching that takes place . and touching that takes place. and it's got to start there. and this is cultural. it's systemic. it's hard, but it's our responsibility to fix. right . responsibility to fix. right. your granddad,_ c can ”x right. your granddad, working class ierw— your granddad, working class ierw, your— your granddad, working class ierw, your new. — your granddad, working class tory, your dad. working class. torv— tory, your dad. working class. tory werkei— tory, your dad. working class. tory worked all— tory, your dad. working class. tory worked all the life. pride priiei— tory worked all the life. pride prided themselves on never inking— prided themselves on never inking e— prided themselves on never rating a penny— prided themselves on never taking a penny in benefits. so eriii— taking a penny in benefits. so eriii e— taking a penny in benefits. so still a common— taking a penny in benefits. so still a common view today. taking a penny in benefits. so still a common view today . lots still a common view today. lots of still a common view today. lots er werking— still a common view today. lots of working class— still a common view today. lots of working class people still inni— of working class people still think labour— of working class people still think labour is— of working class people still think labour is all about benefite— think labour is all about benefits rather than work . loads benefits rather than work. loads of benefits rather than work. loads er greieeiee— benefits rather than work. loads of graduates vote.— benefits rather than work. loads of graduates vote. labour lots of graduates vote. labour lots er weriing— of graduates vote. labour lots of working class— of graduates vote. labour lots of working class people vote torv— of working class people vote tory ee— of working class people vote tory pe you— of working class people vote tory do you understand working eieee— tory do you understand working class tories? _ tory do you understand working class tories? f tory do you understand working class tories? 2 «ice: class tories? because yeah, because i grew up with them and i'm not sure what's a bigger disappointment to my dad that i ended up being a labour mp or supporting my dad is a supporting arsenal. my dad is a you know, actually he's gone off the tour. he's a actually i the tour. he's a bit actually i think lots of tories have.

think like lots of tories have. i'm not sure he's going to i'm not sure how he's going to vote next election, but vote at the next election, but really he's not happy really. so he's still, even so he's still, still even when he so he's still, still even when ne—iir- so he's still, still even when he_mp actually. so he's still, still even when. he _ mp actually the he became an mp actually the env— he became an mp actually the enw-iei— he became an mp actually the eniw-iei nee- he became an mp actually the only dad has voted only time my dad has voted interr— only time my dad has voted ieiew wee— only time my dad has voted labour was for— only time my dad has voted labour was for me in a council eieerien— labour was for me in a council eieerien wnen— labour was for me in a council election when i— labour was for me in a council election when i still lived lviv iienenrerw— election when i still lived lviv elementary,-still. election when i still lived lviv. elementary,-still vote. elementary, he would still vote. i elementary, he would still vote. unini— elementary, he would still vote. irnini. i— elementary, he would still vote. ithink. i think— elementary, he would still vote. i think. i think he's— elementary, he would still vote. i think. i think he's voted- i think. i think he's voted green as a protest, so you'd have ask him. he's. it have to ask him. but he's. it does me a window though does give me a window though into why people i think into why people because i think labour the labour is fundamentally for the working class. we were established union established by the trade union movement, by the labour movement to voice representation to give a voice representation and a government for the majority , not just the majority, not just the privileged few . and over time privileged few. and over time erm we've lost a lot of working class support. i mean actually to be fair there has always been a chunk of working class voters who conservatives and who voted conservatives and i think, i think mrs. thatcher in particular had an appeal that spoke my granddad and my dad. spoke to my granddad and my dad. so i've always understood it and i've always understood the obstacles often stop people obstacles that often stop people voting labour. it's the same questions can we you with questions can we trust you with the can we trust you on the money? can we trust you on law order? can we trust you

law and order? can we trust you on national security? and labour has when we've had has always won when we've had leaders got us a place leaders who've got us to a place where answer to where the answer to those questions yes. i think questions is yes. and i think keir one of those keir will be one of those leaders. but there's always that difficulty. the benefits thing is because is really interesting because again, from both sides again, i see it from both sides . my granddad, my dad , very . my granddad, my dad, very proud of the fact that i've never claimed a penny in benefits. and i remember my benefits. and i remember when my dad as a publican dad left his job as a publican when worked all of the hours when he worked all of the hours he could on a building site dunng he could on a building site during the day, mini cabbing by night to make sure that because at the time i was living with my dad and he was a single dad to make sure that we had a roof over our head when i was growing up with especially living with my mum, that benefits system and that welfare safety net was vital. sometimes it put food in the fridge and money in the electric metre when we didn't have todayi electric metre when we didn't have today i think that have it. and today i think that there like my dad there are people like my dad going out to work all the hours they can every day who still don't they can every day who still dont enough they can every day who still don't enough money at the don't have enough money at the end the at the end of

end of the month, at the end of the week, at the end of the day, to make ends meet. something's gone wrong. we've broken the link a hard day's work link between a hard day's work and pay. and for me and a fair day's pay. and for me , security always , social security should always be that. a safety net be exactly that. a safety net and a springboard back to work. there will always be some people who genuinely can't work. and of course, those people should receive the income they need to live a decent life. but you know, the labour party is a party of it implies work party of labour. it implies work and know, proud of come from and you know, proud of come from and you know, proud of come from a working class family. and you know, proud of come from a working class family . okay. a working class family. okay. god, we're running out of time. ire— god, we're running out of time. it's absolutely— god, we're running out of time. it's absolutely fascinating. i iner— it's absolutely fascinating. i test went— it's absolutely fascinating. i test wenr re— it's absolutely fascinating. i just want to get— it's absolutely fascinating. i just want to get rabbiting on. i iner— just want to get rabbiting on. i we went— just want to get rabbiting on. i test wenr re— just want to get rabbiting on. i test wenr re ger— just want to get rabbiting on. i just want to get a— just want to get rabbiting on. i just want to get a quick answer for just want to get a quick answer ier vou— just want to get a quick answer ier wen en— just want to get a quick answer rer you en inn.— just want to get a quick answer for you on this. you know, when eerneirnee— for you on this. you know, when sometimes people— for you on this. you know, when sometimes people in the labour party,— sometimes people in the labour perry, they— sometimes people in the labour perry, new new— sometimes people in the labour party, they they weather's never kieeei — party, they they weather's never kieeei lien— party, they they weather's never kissed ltory hat. _ party, they they weather's never kissed tory hat. yeah i've kissed a tory hat. yeah i've worn one of never kiss the worn one of those never kiss the tory— worn one of those never kiss the tory i—enine.— worn one of those never kiss the tory i—enineli-n— worn one of those never kiss the tory t—shirts. i i'm - i'm - worn one of those never kiss the tory t—shirts. i'm just i'm not entirely sure it's true, but there'll be some tories at my, at my launch party. i've got friends in the tory party, got family who vote tory for me. politics is a is a battle of ideas, not not a battle of

person cities and as much as they drive me up the wall, i think there are lots of mps in the house of commons who are genuinely in it for the right reasons at a time when there's a lot of cynicism about us. it's worth saying that most politicians for the politicians are in it for the right reasons, even if the minority majority bad minority give the majority a bad name. okay you're a gay man. you realise this in adolescence vou— you realise this in adolescence once you thought— you realise this in adolescence once you thought of it as a eereer— once you thought of it as a eereer iner— once you thought of it as a secret that you _ once you thought of it as a secret that you couldn't tell nvone— secret that you couldn't tell nwene .— secret that you couldn't tell nvone . iner— secret that you couldn't tell anyone . that changed when you anyone. that changed when you went— anyone. that changed when you went re— anyone. that changed when you went to university. _ anyone. that changed when you went to university. you describe a went to university. you describe peene-— went to university. you describe e-eeneelenene- went to university. you describe a sense shame running a deep sense of shame running inrengn— a deep sense of shame running through adolescent years. through your adolescent years. veere— through your adolescent years. yen-re e— through your adolescent years. you're a christian— through your adolescent years. you're a christian and you write iner— you're a christian and you write iner vou— you're a christian and you write that you feared _ you're a christian and you write that you feared going to hell. inn-r— that you feared going to hell. ien-r rnere— that you feared going to hell. isn't there something wrong with a isn't there something wrong with e reiigien— isn't there something wrong with e reiigien iner— isn't there something wrong with a religion that made you feel iike— a religion that made you feel iike inere — a religion that made you feel like that? well— a religion that made you feel like that? well ,_ a religion that made you feel like that? epic: a religion that made you feel like that? well, that's a that's a deep question . how am i going a deep question. how am i going to answer this quickly? i think it took me a long— to answer this quickly? i think it took me a long time- 2 ring] i think it took me a long time to reeeneiei— it took me a long time to reconcile those- it took me a long time to reconcile those two things. and i reconcile those two things. and r en— reconcile those two things. and r an new— reconcile those two things. and r en er— reconcile those two things. and i am now at peace— reconcile those two things. and i am now at peace with being a gay— i am now at peace with being a gay enrierien— i am now at peace with being a gay christian man.— i am now at peace with being a gay christian man. and i geneineiw— gay christian man. and i genuinely think that i am the way— genuinely think that i am the way iner— genuinely think that i am the way net i— genuinely think that i am the way that i was— genuinely think that i am the way that i was made in this geeerien— way that i was made in this gneerien ei— way that i was made in this question of choice. i spent many weare— question of choice. i spent many years eneeeing— question of choice. i spent many years choosing not— question of choice. i spent many years choosing not to be gay and

ieepererew— years choosing not to be gay and ieeperereiw twing— years choosing not to be gay and desperately trying not to be gay and ii— desperately trying not to be gay and i ii— desperately trying not to be gay and it it wee— desperately trying not to be gay and it it was it— desperately trying not to be gay and it it was it was painful . and it it was it was painful. ani— and it it was it was painful. nne ir— and it it was it was painful. and it e— and it it was it was painful. and it was only— and it it was it was painful. and it was only when i came out, i and it was only when i came out, i reii— and it was only when i came out, r en inie— and it was only when i came out, i felt this feeling— and it was only when i came out, i felt this feeling of— and it was only when i came out, i felt this feeling of enormous iiiererien — i felt this feeling of enormous liberation, like— i felt this feeling of enormous liberation, like the weight of the liberation, like the weight of rne werii — liberation, like the weight of the world had— liberation, like the weight of the world had lifted off my eneeiiere. — the world had lifted off my shoulders. and _ the world had lifted off my shoulders. and finally recognised— shoulders. and finally recognised the person looking peek— recognised the person looking peek-ine— recognised the person looking back-the mirror.- recognised the person looking. back-the mirror.-it back at me in the mirror. and it inie— back at me in the mirror. and it inn-rewiri- back at me in the mirror. and it was this joyful feeling. was this happy, joyful feeling. ani— was this happy, joyful feeling. ann-newne— was this happy, joyful feeling. and thought, this who and i just thought, this is who i and i just thought, this is who i-inie— and i just thought, this is who i-inie ie— and i just thought, this is who i-inie ie new— and i just thought, this is who i-this is how i've- and i just thought, this is who i this is how i've been i am. this is how i've been nene.— i am. this is how i've been neie. ani— i am. this is how i've been made. and country where made. and in a country where iree re— made. and in a country where we're free to disagree and ieeiieve— we're free to disagree and believe different things and in a believe different things and in eeeneenei— believe different things and in a concerted agency that i repreeenr— a concerted agency that i represent that's very religious a concerted agency that i represthereiat's very religious a concerted agency that i represthereiat'slotst religious a concerted agency that i represthereiat'slotst repeople , yes, there are lots of people wne— , yes, there are lots of people wne-wner— , yes, there are lots of people wne-wner i— , yes, there are lots of people who-what i would- , yes, there are lots of people who what i would describe who hold what i would describe aslmainstream _ who hold what i would describe as mainstream orthodox view as a mainstream orthodox view iner— as a mainstream orthodox view rner—einieil that homosexuality is sinful. ani— that homosexuality is sinful. ann-wne— that homosexuality is sinful. and what makes life and that's what makes life iiiiieeir— and that's what makes life difficult-of- and that's what makes lifei difficult-of.who difficult for those of us who are religious— difficult for those of us who are religious gay. but are religious and gay. but i newe— are religious and gay. but i newe i— are religious and gay. but i newe r en— are religious and gay. but i have i am reconciled theologically that we're made in eerie— theologically that we're made in gene inege— theologically that we're made in gene inege. i— theologically that we're made in god's image. i think that to be gay— god's image. i think that to be gay eni— god's image. i think that to be gay and christian— god's image. i think that to be gay and christian is not contradictory- gay and christian is not contradictory . and the thing i contradictory. and the thing i fini— contradictory. and the thing i find reeiiw— contradictory. and the thing i find really sad— contradictory. and the thing i find really sad is— contradictory. and the thing i find really sad is that a lot of peepie— find really sad is that a lot of peepie, wnen— find really sad is that a lot of people, when they think of reiigien— people, when they think of religion, think— people, when they think of religion, think bigotry, exclude iiieeien. — religion, think bigotry, exclude illusion. you— religion, think bigotry, exclude illusion. you know, you're not weeernei— illusion. you know, you're not weeernei nee.— illusion. you know, you're not welcome here. and certainly in the welcome here. and certainly in ine eeee— welcome here. and certainly in ine ei— welcome here. and certainly in ine ei m,— welcome here. and certainly in the case of my religion, but i inini— the case of my religion, but i inini ii— the case of my religion, but i think it applies— the case of my religion, but i think it applies to others. i inni— think it applies to others. i inini ine— think it applies to others. i think the message of

christianity- think the message of christianity is about love, iewing— christianity is about love, iewing your— christianity is about love, loving your neighbour or eieniing— loving your neighbour or eieniing ep— loving your neighbour or standing up for against int-peiee— standing up for against injustice and, you know, not weiiing— injustice and, you know, not weiiing ew— injustice and, you know, not weiiing iw en— injustice and, you know, not walking by on the other side. ani— walking by on the other side. ani wnen— walking by on the other side. ani wnen i— walking by on the other side. and when i look— walking by on the other side. and when i look at what faith communities— and when i look at what faith communities do— and when i look at what faith communities do in my constituency- communities do in my constituency in terms of things iiie— constituency in terms of things like homelessness and hunger , i like homelessness and hunger, i inni— like homelessness and hunger, i inini ieiin— like homelessness and hunger, i think faith motivates so much get — think faith motivates so much get nei— think faith motivates so much good. but when— think faith motivates so much good. but when often when people reei— good. but when often when people reei eieni— good. but when often when people read about politicians being reiigiene— read about politicians being religious, they— read about politicians being religious, they think, are you going— religious, they think, are you geing ie— religious, they think, are you geing ie we— religious, they think, are you going to vote against the woman's right- going to vote against the woman's right choose? you're woman's right to choose? you're going— woman's right to choose? you're geing—igni- going to vote against lgbt epeene.— going to vote against lgbt egneiiiw. are— going to vote against lgbt equality. are you going? you equality. are you going? are you going— equality. are you going? are you geing-egeinei— equality. are you going? are you going against rights? going to vote against my rights? and going to vote against my rights? ant—peepie- going to vote against my rights? ant—peepie cen- going to vote against my rights? and people can look at and you know, people can look at my and you know, people can look at nw-reeeri. — and you know, people can look at nw-reeeri. twe— and you know, people can look at my-record. i've got- my voting record. i've got a very— my voting record. i've got a very-weiing- my voting record. i've got a very voting record, very liberal voting record, eagern— very liberal voting record, eeieeiiwlii— very liberal voting record, actually. it makes me sad actually. but it makes me sad ieeeeee— actually. but it makes me sad because-religion- actually. but it makes me sad because religion is because i think religion is a very— because i think religion is a very peeiiive— because i think religion is a very positive force for good. because i think religion is a veryi)ositive force for good. because i think religion is a veryi totally force for good. because i think religion is a veryi totally understand od. because i think religion is a veryi totally understand why but i totally understand why peepie— but i totally understand why peepie gen-i— but i totally understand why people don't see it that way. ani— people don't see it that way. ani i— people don't see it that way. ani i inni— people don't see it that way. and i think that's on us as as reiigieee— and i think that's on us as as reiigien-ani- and i think that's on us as as religious and we're religious people. and we're neeni— religious people. and we're neenilie— religious people. and we're meant be going there and meant to be going out there and iniiiing— meant to be going out there and iniiiingliigger— meant to be going out there and building bigger and building a bigger tent and bringing— building a bigger tent and. bringing—faith. bringing people to our faith. ani— bringing people to our faith. ani i— bringing people to our faith. ani i inini— bringing people to our faith. and i think actually there's a lot and i think actually there's a iei ei— and i think actually there's a lot of prejudice— and i think actually there's a lot of prejudice that pushes peepie— lot of prejudice that pushesi peepie—inei lot of prejudice that pushes- peepie—inei eei people away. and i find that sad . -geiiei— people away. and i find that sad . -geiiei inei— people away. and i find that sad . -gutted that we've- people away. and i find that sad . -gutted that we've run- people away. and i find that sad . i'm gutted that we've run out of time. really. i could have i so much more to discuss this, but i feel really pleased that i read this book. i think your

family are amazing words. thank you. i really think you've got the most incredible parents and grandpa and they must be so incredibly proud of you. yeah. so here's to them. thank you very much. thank you. wes streeting. coming up, george eustice. and it culminated with me ei— eustice. and it culminated with me ei ine— eustice. and it culminated with me ei ine-ei— eustice. and it culminated with me at the-of just- eustice. and it culminated with me at the-of just 22,- use iii: and it culminated with me at the of just 22, acting me at the age of just 22, acting as me at the age of just 22, acting ee iiiigeni— me at the age of just 22, acting ee iiiigeni in— me at the age of just 22, acting as litigant in person in the nign— as litigant in person in the nign eeeri— as litigant in person in the nign eenri in— as litigant in person in the high court in bristol to try to ieieni— high court in bristol to try to ieieni enr— high court in bristol to try to defend our family. seema iieineire— defend our family. seema malhotra and if the family if the business isn't doing well, nor is the family income, i found out later because your parents never talked to you about these things

to gb news radio . george to gb news radio. george eustice. elected- to gb news radio. george eustice. elected as- to gb news radio. george eustice. elected as a- eustice. elected as a conservative- eustice. elected as a conservative mp in 2010, you've peen— conservative mp in 2010, you've been e— conservative mp in 2010, you've been a cabinet— conservative mp in 2010, you've been a cabinet minister. you're nei— been a cabinet minister. you're nei eieniing— been a cabinet minister. you're not standing at— been a cabinet minister. you're not standing at the next general eieeiien. — not standing at the next general eieeiien. why— not standing at the next general election. why not? vic: ll election. why not? well, i will neve— election. why not? well, i will have done 25 years in politics by the time of the next election, and i think that's enough for anyone, really. that was years in parliament as an

was 15 years in parliament as an mp, nine as a minister, mp, nine years as a minister, all of them in one department. but before that, of course, i did ten years as an adviser and a campaigner. so it'll be 25 years total . a campaigner. so it'll be 25 years total. i don't regret years in total. i don't regret any moment of it. i've had a fascinating time in politics. it's had its frustrations and it's had its ups and downs. but i just i want the chance to pursue a different career , you pursue a different career, you know, in the final chapter, if you like, of my working career, i'll be 53. i think i'm young enough still to do something else. what will you leave , miss else. what will you leave, miss eieni— else. what will you leave, miss about politics— else. what will you leave, miss about politics or— what will you leave, miss about politics or about being in periienenie — about politics or about being in parliament? f parliament? elections, i think. i find and i've done elections as an adviser and a press secretary and i've done elections as as an mp . i find elections as as an mp. i find them exhausting and infuriating because actually, for whichever party you're standing for, you wake up every morning and there's some terrible injustice that's been dished out on you . that's been dished out on you. something said that's grossly unfair from your point of view, at least , and you get the blame

at least, and you get the blame for lots of things that aren't your fault and they are gruelling, exhausting adventures and i won't miss another election. indeed one of the main reasons i decided to go this time is having fought in five elections, quite a few referendums along the way as well . i referendums along the way as well. i really referendums along the way as well . i really couldn't face well. i really couldn't face doing another general election and i thought i just had to be honest my constituency honest with my constituency association about that. is there any chance of l majority - any chance of a majority conservative— any chance of a majority conservative government after the conservative government after ine neei— conservative government after the next election?— conservative government after the next election? yes there is. nei— the next election? yes there is. nei we-we— the next election? yes there is. nei gei— the next election? yes there is. but we've got an _ the next election? yes there is. but we've got an uphill- the next election? yes there is. but we've got an uphill struggle and it will be the first time and so it will be the first time in history that a party has won five consecutive elections in a row. now, of course, we've had more elections than you would expect have over the last 12, expect to have over the last 12, 15 years for various reasons that we're all familiar with. and is a route for and i think there is a route for us to get back. but it needs rishi sunak to basically stick to the plan. he's doing. it's hard , but getting credible hard work, but getting credible , sensible decisions made showing good judgement even in the kyiv, if you like, getting

the kyiv, if you like, getting the getting the economy back on an even keel. if we do all of that, then i think doubts might start to set in about keir starmer and the labour front bench because i personally don't think really like think they really look like a government waiting at government in waiting at the moment. different moment. and that's different from tony in from tony blair. tony blair in the very much looked the late 90s, very much looked like a prime minister and a government in waiting and i don't the labour party don't think the labour party looked that moment. looked like that at the moment. now there's a lot of ifs in there, it's doable. and of there, but it's doable. and of course the hope of the conservative party is it'll be more 1992 election from our more of a 1992 election from our point view, rather than a point of view, rather than a 1997 election. was there a life eveni— 1997 election. was there a life eweni inei— 1997 election. was there a life event that politicised- it i�* 2 iii" was there a life event that politicised you ? event that politicised you? yes. — event that politicised you? yes. i— event that politicised you? yes. i never— event that politicised you? yes. i never intended- event that politicised you? yes. i never intended actually to go into politics. i always had a bit of an interest in it. when i was at school, but i actually intended to go into the family business, which was farming. we used to do quite a lot of soft fruit and vegetables and had livestock as well. it and we had livestock as well. it was quite a big farming business in cornwall and we in those days in cornwall and we had a really big setback for the business in the mid 1990s. i was in the business in my early 20s

at that time and we ended up making a big investment in a new project at and then several years of very bad weather, a lot of bad luck, a lot of things went against to us be honest with hindsight, it was an overambitious project that we had taken on, but we did to had taken on, but we did so to try and an old family farm try and keep an old family farm in the family. when my great uncle was was retiring. but as a result of that, we ended up in a very serious dispute with barclays bank, who was our banker at the time, and that episode became, you know, quite an acrimonious case, a test case on several fronts . and in the on several fronts. and in the course of a year there were about 27 different court orders, multiple court appearances, and it culminated with me at the age of just 22, acting as litigant in person in the high court in bristol to try to defend our family against what was quite an aggressive move by the bank . and aggressive move by the bank. and so that politicised me and i became very politicised because of that. and i also blame the

exchange rate mechanism, which you might remember erm was the forerunner to the euro and that also made me quite hostile to ventures to try to join up currencies in the eu. and it's no surprise therefore that my first job in politics was with business for sterling. the business for sterling. the business campaign group, to try to stop britain joining the euro and in that campaign, you worked with dominic cummings, who was not a household name at that point. but when it on to become eerie— point. but when it on to become boris johnson's— point. but when it on to become boris johnson's chief— but when it on to become boris johnson's chief adviser, they— boris johnson's chief adviser, inewinew— boris johnson's chief adviser, they they spectacularly fell out at they they spectacularly fell out ei reei— they they spectacularly fell out at just dominic— they they spectacularly fell out at just dominic cummings pereeneiiiw— at just dominic cummings personality lend itself to ieiiing— personality lend itself to ieiiing eni— personality lend itself to falling out with people who's been— falling out with people who's been very— falling out with people who's been very close— falling out with people who's been very close to. vic: been very close to. well look dominic cummings was our first for both of us. we're the same age actually, exactly the same age. i think there's only a few months between us. and for both of us working at business for sterling was where we cut our teeth. our first job in teeth. it was our first job in politics and on some ways, you know, cummings is know, dominic cummings is a

force nature and his ability force of nature and his ability to analyse things and be quite strategic , particularly in strategic, particularly in campaigns , in difficult battles campaigns, in difficult battles was actually very impressive. but his big weakness is he doesn't really work with others. all that well. if you're part of the team and you'll normally travel light with with half a dozen really trusted people that he that he bonds with on a particular mission, then and i was one of those during those years if you're if you're one of those then when you're part of the of the group and you really understand operates understand how dominic operates . but of course in politics, you endlessly have to try to accommodate that and be nice to people that have different views from you. it's about consensus building and consensus building is not something that dominic cummings was ever minded to do. his his view , his perception of his his view, his perception of it. and i understand it would have been that if you compromise to reach a consensus, then you've already undermined the purity and the clarity of your mission and therefore,

compromise wasn't something he did easily. and that that makes it quite difficult when get it quite difficult when you get to government, because he wasn't willing to do that. more from george eustice— willing to do that. more from george eustice after- 22 r: more from george eustice after the break. vee— george eustice after the break. vee knew.— george eustice after the break. vee knew. ine— george eustice after the break. you know, the approach- george eustice after the break. you know, the approach we take to animal welfare and the way we treat sentient animals, particularly farm animals, is actually the hallmark of a civilised society . motty

join us here on gb news, the reepie-e— join us here on gb news, the people's channel, all britain's news . channel _ people's channel, all britain's news . channel news. channel just want to ask you about some comments you made in parliament a couple of months ago in march and these comments caused a bit of a stir. ago in march and these comments caused a bit of a stir . you said caused a bit of a stir. you said many women do want to spend those first few years with their child. and it's a short period in life where they can perform that natural nurturing role. we shouldn't belittle it. we should value it . natural nurturing role value it. natural nurturing role , bit of a backlash. people saying just because you're a

woman, it doesn't mean you're natural and nurturing. and that's stereotype . were you that's a stereotype. were you surprised by the backlash? well, yes, because actually the peini— well, yes, because actually the peini i— well, yes, because actually the peini i wee— well, yes, because actually the point i was making in that epeeen— point i was making in that epeeen i— point i was making in that epeeen, i wee— point i was making in that speech, i was arguing the case for speech, i was arguing the case ier e— speech, i was arguing the case for a transfer— speech, i was arguing the case for a transfer tax— speech, i was arguing the case for a transfer tax allowance and the for a transfer tax allowance and ine reeiiiw— for a transfer tax allowance and ine reeiiiw ie— for a transfer tax allowance and the reality is that— for a transfer tax allowance and the reality is that in most ine— the reality is that in most cases, the partner in a relationship- cases, the partner in a relationship that chooses to eiew— relationship that chooses to eiew ei— relationship that chooses to eiew ei nene— relationship that chooses to stay at home in— relationship that chooses to stay at home in those first few years— stay at home in those first few weere ie— stay at home in those first few years is women. _ stay at home in those first few years is women. and that's inei-e— years is women. and that's inei-e e— years is women. and that's that's a fact— years is women. and that's that's a fact ._ years is women. and that's that's a fact . it's not that's a fact. it's not exclusively- that's a fact. it's not exclusively the case. and of course, there _ exclusively the case. and of course, there are- exclusively the case. and of course, there are men who decide to course, there are men who decide ie eiew— course, there are men who decide ie eiew ei— course, there are men who decide ie eiew ei nene— course, there are men who decide to stay at home and— course, there are men who decide to stay at home and care for eniiiren— to stay at home and care for eniiiren ee— to stay at home and care for children as well— to stay at home and care for children as well .- to stay at home and care for children as well . but it's also children as well. but it's also ine— children as well. but it's also ine eeee— children as well. but it's also the case that— children as well. but it's also the case that when the parents grep— the case that when the parents irep ineir— the case that when the parents drop their children at playgroups- drop their children at playgroups or childcare , they playgroups or childcare, they wiri— playgroups or childcare, they wiii iini— playgroups or childcare, they will find that— playgroups or childcare, they will find that most, most of the peepie— will find that most, most of the peepie wne— will find that most, most of the people who work— will find that most, most of the people who work in those places are people who work in those places eiee— people who work in those places are also women— people who work in those places are also women and again, inere-e— are also women and again, inere-e ne— are also women and again, there's no surprise about that. ani— there's no surprise about that. ani i— there's no surprise about that. ani i inini— there's no surprise about that. and i think it's— there's no surprise about that. and i think it's wrong to ieiiiiie— and i think it's wrong to belittle those- and i think it's wrong to belittle those women who do ieeiie— belittle those women who do ieeiie inei— belittle those women who do decide that they— belittle those women who do decide that they want to stay ienini— decide that they want to stay ienini eni— decide that they want to stay behind and play— decide that they want to stay behind and play that nurturing reie— behind and play that nurturing reie. ani— behind and play that nurturing reie. ani ei— behind and play that nurturing role. and at the— behind and play that nurturing role. and at the moment, there's a role. and at the moment, there's e eig— role. and at the moment, there's e pig preiien— role. and at the moment, there's a big problem with— role. and at the moment, there's a big problem with our tax eweien— a big problem with our tax system, which— a big problem with our tax system, which is if one parent eneeeee— system, which is if one parent eneeeee ie— system, which is if one parent chooses to stay— system, which is if one parent chooses to stay at— system, which is if one parent chooses to stay at for home the ini— chooses to stay at for home the iirei rew— chooses to stay at for home the iirei iew years— chooses to stay at for home the first few years because they weni— first few years because they weni ineee — first few years because they want those first—

first few years because they want those first 3 or 4 years to be want those first 3 or 4 years to ie wnere— want those first 3 or 4 years to be where their— want those first 3 or 4 years to be where their child, you know, not be where their child, you know, nei-ie — be where their child, you know, nei-ie they— be where their child, you know, not do they obviously have not only do they obviously have not only do they obviously have ne enpperi— not only do they obviously have ne enpperi ier— not only do they obviously have no support for doing so, but they— no support for doing so, but inew-ineir— no support for doing so, but they-their tax- no support for doing so, but they their tax allowance they lose their tax allowance eni— they lose their tax allowance eni-iiee— they lose their tax allowance and - idea -they - they lose their tax allowance- and - idea -they should, and my idea is that they should, in-eeriw— and my idea is that they should, in-eeriw weere— and my idea is that they should, in -early years, be - and my idea is that they should, in early years, be to in those early years, be able to ireneier— in those early years, be able to transfer their— in those early years, be able to transfer their allowance to transfer their tax allowance to a transfer their tax allowance to e-periner.— transfer their tax allowance to e-periner-ii- transfer their tax allowance to. a-partner. -it might a working partner. and it might be a working partner. and it might ire—perine- a working partner. and it might be_partner might. a working partner. and it might. be_partner might be, be the working partner might be, you be the working partner might be, wee-wenenline- be the working partner might be, you woman the man you know, the woman or the man in ine— you know, the woman or the man in the relationship.— you know, the woman or the man in the relationship. but it went— in the relationship. but it would mean— in the relationship. but it would mean then that the family nnii— would mean then that the family uni—mere— would mean then that the family nnii—nere ei- would mean then that the family unit—more of their. unit would have more of their inei— unit would have more of their income that they— unit would have more of their income that they to help income that they earn to help wiin — income that they earn to help wiin -eeeie— income that they earn to help with -costs that - income that they earn to help with costs that they have with those costs that they have in eniii — with those costs that they have in child care.— with those costs that they have in child care. but— with those costs that they have in child care. but this is i you knew,— in child care. but this is i you know, accidentally i stumbled inie—ine- know, accidentally i stumbled inie—ine werw- into, you know, the very contentious— into, you know, the very contentious debate , you know, contentious debate, you know, the contentious debate, you know, ine genier— contentious debate, you know, the gender debate, highly energet— the gender debate, highly charged gender debate that we neve— charged gender debate that we newe in— charged gender debate that we newe in inie— charged gender debate that we have in this country. but i eieni— have in this country. but i eieni iew— have in this country. but i stand by what— have in this country. but i stand by what i- have in this country. but i stand by what i said and i use ine— stand by what i said and i use ine iern— stand by what i said and i use the term motherhood for a good reason, because _ the term motherhood for a good reason, because i— the term motherhood for a good reason, because i do think there is reason, because i do think there ie epen— reason, because i do think there ie eeen e— reason, because i do think there ie eeen e ining— reason, because i do think there is such a thing as— reason, because i do think there is such a thing as a— reason, because i do think there is such a thing as a maternal ineiinei— is such a thing as a maternal instinct. and— is such a thing as a maternal instinct. and i— is such a thing as a maternal instinct. and i think it's wrong to instinct. and i think it's wrong ie ienw— instinct. and i think it's wrong ie ienw ii. — instinct. and i think it's wrong to deny it. who— instinct. and i think it's wrong to deny it. who do- instinct. and i think it's wrong to deny it. vim: 3: instinct. and i think it's wrong to deny it. 3: to deny it. who do you think the word belittle that the role a caring role. obviously this is contested, but let's assume that women have a choose a caring role. and you said it shouldn't be belittled. who do you think

belittles it? i think there's a inere-e— belittles it? i think there's a inere-e e— belittles it? i think there's a there's a there's— belittles it? i think there's a there's a there's a- fl i think there's a there's a there's a culture in eeeieiw— there's a there's a culture in our society that— there's a there's a culture in our society that says you should get our society that says you should gei peei— our society that says you should gei peek ie — our society that says you should get back to work— our society that says you should get back to work straight away andr— get back to work straight away eni, wee— get back to work straight away eni, wen knew,— get back to work straight away and, you know, stay at home. mum is and, you know, stay at home. mum ie wen— and, you know, stay at home. mum ie wen knew,— and, you know, stay at home. mum ie wen knew, ie— and, you know, stay at home. mum is you know, is almost seen as a iern — is you know, is almost seen as a iern ei— is you know, is almost seen as a iern ei epeee— is you know, is almost seen as a term of abuse actually. you know i term of abuse actually. you know iinini— term of abuse actually. you know iinini ii— term of abuse actually. you know i inini ii ie— term of abuse actually. you know iinini ii ie in— term of abuse actually. you know i think it is in that— term of abuse actually. you know i think it is in that sense by some sectors— i think it is in that sense by some sectors of— i think it is in that sense by some sectors of our society ieiiiiiei — some sectors of our society belittled and _ some sectors of our society belittled and i— some sectors of our society belittled and i had lots of eeineiiw— belittled and i had lots of actually lots— belittled and i had lots of actually lots of- belittled and i had lots of actually lots of parents who had neeen— actually lots of parents who had neeen ie— actually lots of parents who had neeen ie eiew— actually lots of parents who had chosen to stay at— actually lots of parents who had chosen to stay at home who eenieeiei— chosen to stay at home who contacted me.— chosen to stay at home who contacted me. the vast majority of contacted me. the vast majority ei peepie— contacted me. the vast majority ei peepie wne— contacted me. the vast majority of people who contacted me eenpieieiw— of people who contacted me completely supported what i eeii. — completely supported what i eeii. ani— completely supported what i said. and there— completely supported what i said. and there was one, you knew,— said. and there was one, you know, one mother i heard about wne— know, one mother i heard about wne eeii— know, one mother i heard about wne eeii inei— know, one mother i heard about who said that she— know, one mother i heard about who said that she she she when her who said that she she she when ner eniii— who said that she she she when her child was— who said that she she she when her child was born,— who said that she she she when her child was born, she was eeiei— her child was born, she was eeiei wnei— her child was born, she was asked what to— her child was born, she was asked what to put as her eeenpeiien— asked what to put as her occupation on- asked what to put as her occupation on the, you know, on the occupation on the, you know, on ine tirin— occupation on the, you know, on the birth certificate. and she eei,— the birth certificate. and she and, war,— the birth certificate. and she said, well, i'm— the birth certificate. and she said, well, i'm i'm just i'm going— said, well, i'm i'm just i'm geing ie— said, well, i'm i'm just i'm geing ie ie— said, well, i'm i'm just i'm geing ie be e— said, well, i'm i'm just i'm going to be a stay at home neiner— going to be a stay at home neiner .— going to be a stay at home mother . and— going to be a stay at home mother. and then going to be a stay at home mother . and then the person at mother. and then the person at the mother. and then the person at ine regieirer— mother. and then the person at the registrar said,— mother. and then the person at the registrar said, well, what iii— the registrar said, well, what iii wen— the registrar said, well, what iii wen ie— the registrar said, well, what did you do before you were a neiner— did you do before you were a neiner e— did you do before you were a mother ? and _ did you do before you were a mother ? and she— did you do before you were a mother ? and she said what career mother? and she said what career she mother? and she said what career ene-tene— mother? and she said what career ene-gene e— mother? and she said what career she-done a couple- mother? and she said what career she done a couple of years she had done a couple of years peiee.— she had done a couple of years ieiere. ani— she had done a couple of years before. and they— she had done a couple of years before. and they said, well, we-ii— before. and they said, well, weir-inei— before. and they said, well, we'll-that-and. before. and they said, well,- we'll-that-andlwas we'll put that down. and it was eineei— we'll put that down. and it was eineei ee— we'll put that down. and it was almost as though _ we'll put that down. and it was

almost as though they thought, were— almost as though they thought, were-wee— almost as though they thought, were-wen e— almost as though they thought, we're you a favour by we're doing you a favour by purring— we're doing you a favour by pniiing weer— we're doing you a favour by putting your former career putting your your former career on putting your your former career en-inen— putting your your former career on -than valuing- putting your your former career on than valuing the role on rather than valuing the role inei— on rather than valuing the role that-declared- on rather than valuing the role that declared your your, that you've declared your your, vou— that you've declared your your, wee—peeeieneie- that you've declared your your,i you—passionate about you know, your passionate about eni— — you know, your passionate about eni— vee— you know, your passionate about eni— vee geei- you know, your passionate about. and_ you good around and want to do. you good around the you do you the house, do you do you actually carved quite actually we carved out quite well have at weekends well and i have at weekends i look after my young daughter and i'm usually the first one. she wakes up in the 2. �*" she wakes up in the morning, so i get— wakes up in the morning, so i gei e— wakes up in the morning, so i get a breakfast— wakes up in the morning, so i get a breakfast and keep her entertained.— get a breakfast and keep her entertained. i— get a breakfast and keep her entertained. i do— get a breakfast and keep her entertained. i do most of the, you— entertained. i do most of the, wee knew.— entertained. i do most of the, wee knew. ine— entertained. i do most of the, you know, the cooking in the nenee— you know, the cooking in the nenee nei— you know, the cooking in the house. but we— you know, the cooking in the house. but we yeah, we share it ereni-i— house. but we yeah, we share it ereni-i se— house. but we yeah, we share it ereni-i se in— house. but we yeah, we share it around. so i'm not— house. but we yeah, we share it around. so i'm not i— house. but we yeah, we share it around. so i'm not i mean, as reper— around. so i'm not i mean, as neeei ieeeeee— around. so i'm not i mean, as usual because i'm— around. so i'm not i mean, as usual because i'm a conservative mp usual because i'm a conservative iii-ie— usual because i'm a conservative iii-ie ne— usual because i'm a conservative iii-ie ne ie- usual because i'm a conservative iii-ie ne ie ie- mp tendency to me to be caricatured_ mp tendency to me to be caricatured as— mp tendency to me to be caricatured as some sort of, i een-i— caricatured as some sort of, i ien-i knew— caricatured as some sort of, i don't know misogynist or eeneining— don't know misogynist or something some people's don't know misogynist or- something-some people's eyes something and some people's eyes it's something and some people's eyes ii-e e.— something and some people's eyes ii-e e. ii-e— something and some people's eyes ii-e e. ii-e e— something and some people's eyes it's a, it's a completely false eeieie— it's a, it's a completely false caricature for— it's a, it's a completely false caricature for actually just a nine— caricature for actually just a iiiiie iii— caricature for actually just a little bit about— caricature for actually just a little bit about your the brief inei— little bit about your the brief we we — little bit about your the brief that you. well— little bit about your the brief that you. well you- little bit about your the brief that you. �*fii�*i:22 : that you. well you i mean you really are an expert in in that department of food rural affairs, the environment because you were a minister for so long as well as being the secretary of state the weekly food shop . of state the weekly food shop. it's hurting us all. the cost of

that weekly food shop is there any government policy that could could could help get those pnces could could help get those prices down when the price of oil and gas goes up because it's unked oil and gas goes up because it's linked to fertiliser and most of the inputs in agriculture , oil the inputs in agriculture, oil costs and food distribution , costs and food distribution, then it's very, very sensitive to energy costs. and that's the prime — to energy costs. and that's the prime inver— to energy costs. and that's the prime iriver .— to energy costs. and that's the prime driver . and— i:”i2wr 2 and that's the prime driver . and there's a i::2i2wr 2 and that's the prime driver . and there's a time prime driver. and there's a time lag prime driver. and there's a time ieg in— prime driver. and there's a time ieg in inei— prime driver. and there's a time lag in that those— prime driver. and there's a time lag in that those costs come inrengn— lag in that those costs come inrengn ine— lag in that those costs come through the system . um, through the system. um, iwpieeiiw— through the system. um, iwpieeiiw e— through the system. um, typically 3 to _ through the system. um, typically 3 to 6 months after ine— typically 3 to 6 months after ine price— typically 3 to 6 months after ine priee ei— typically 3 to 6 months after the price of oil.— typically 3 to 6 months after the price of oil. and that's why inew-re— the price of oil. and that's why inew-re gniie— the price of oil. and that's why they're quite stubbornly high at they're quite stubbornly hiin at they're quite stubbornly high at ine rnerneni— they're quite stubbornly high at the moment. they will start to ieii— the moment. they will start to ieii peei- — the moment. they will start to fall back. but— the moment. they will start to fall back. but there are other ininge— fall back. but there are other ininge ine— fall back. but there are other things the government could do. they— things the government could do. inew eerie— things the government could do. they could loosen— things the government could do. they could loosen in and change the they could loosen in and change ine eppreeen— they could loosen in and change ine eppreeen .— they could loosen in and change the approach . on— they could loosen in and change the approach . on immigration. i the approach. on immigration. i inni— the approach. on immigration. i inini neving— the approach. on immigration. i inini newing e— the approach. on immigration. i think having a skills based immigration— think having a skills based immigration policy is actually wreng— immigration policy is actually wrong because— immigration policy is actually wrong because it— immigration policy is actually wrong because it means you're are wrong because it means you're epening— wrong because it means you're epening ine— wrong because it means you're are opening the door to solicitors— are opening the door to solicitors ,_ are opening the door to solicitors , accountants, solicitors, accountants, ineewenew— solicitors, accountants, insolvency practitioners , you insolvency practitioners, you knew— insolvency practitioners, you knew. eii— insolvency practitioners, you know, all destroyer conductors, all know, all destroyer conductors, eii eerie— know, all destroyer conductors, eii eerie ei— know, all destroyer conductors, all sorts of people— know, all destroyer conductors, all sorts of people that we eeieeiiw— all sorts of people that we actually don't— all sorts of people that we actually don't particularly need at actually don't particularly need ei ine— actually don't particularly need at the moment— actually don't particularly need at the moment ._ actually don't particularly need at the moment. but what you're inen— at the moment. but what you're inen eewing— at the moment. but what you're inen eewing ie— at the moment. but what you're

then saying is those sectors who are then saying is those sectors who preineing— then saying is those sectors who are producing food— then saying is those sectors who are producing food for the neiien— are producing food for the nation can't— are producing food for the nation can't have access to the ieien— nation can't have access to the ieieer-inew— nation can't have access to the labour-they need- nation can't have access to the labour they need and that's labour that they need and that's iriving— labour that they need and that's iriving-e— labour that they need and that's driving-a labour— labour that they need and that's driving a labour shortage driving both a labour shortage eni— driving both a labour shortage eni wege— driving both a labour shortage and wage inflation as well. in ineee— and wage inflation as well. in those sectors. _ and wage inflation as well. in those sectors. and that's exacerbating _ those sectors. and that's exacerbating the problem. so it's exacerbating the problem. so ii-e nei— exacerbating the problem. so ii-e nei ine— exacerbating the problem. so it's not the cause— exacerbating the problem. so it's not the cause of it, but ii-e— it's not the cause of it, but ii-eliig— it's not the cause of it, but it's big contributing factor. it's a big contributing factor. ani— it's a big contributing factor. ani ine— it's a big contributing factor. ani ine ne— it's a big contributing factor. and the one thing the government eewi— and the one thing the government eeeii ie— and the one thing the government eeeii ie ie— and the one thing the government eeeii ie ie ie— and the one thing the government could do is to basically carve eni— could do is to basically carve eei-eew— could do is to basically carve eei-eew reei— could do is to basically carve out-say food is- could do is to basically carve out say food is different. out and say food is different. ire— out and say food is different. we ee— out and say food is different. we geing— out and say food is different. we are going to— out and say food is different. we are going to have a temporary _ we are going to have a temporary eenerne— we are going to have a temporary visa scheme, maybe— we are going to have a temporary visa scheme, maybe with a 2 or 3 weer— visa scheme, maybe with a 2 or 3 weer ie— visa scheme, maybe with a 2 or 3 weer ier— visa scheme, maybe with a 2 or 3 year visa for anybody who wants to year visa for anybody who wants ie weri— year visa for anybody who wants ie worklihe — year visa for anybody who wants to work-the food— year visa for anybody who wants to work the food industry and to work in the food industry and inei— to work in the food industry and ieei en— to work in the food industry and just on another— to work in the food industry and just on another important issue in ine— just on another important issue in the department that you have epeni— in the department that you have epeni neei— in the department that you have spent most time— in the department that you have spent most time working in eninei— spent most time working in animal welfare— spent most time working in animal welfare for, there's a iew— animal welfare for, there's a iew ieenee— animal welfare for, there's a few issues where _ animal welfare for, there's a few issues where people in your periw— few issues where people in your periw. nei— few issues where people in your periw. nei inei— few issues where people in your own party, not just the eppeeiiien— own party, not just the opposition and campaigners , wish opposition and campaigners, wish inew— opposition and campaigners, wish inew nei— opposition and campaigners, wish inew nei gene— opposition and campaigners, wish they had gone further and ieeien— they had gone further and faster, thought— they had gone further and faster, thought brexit would be an faster, thought brexit would be en epperinniiw— faster, thought brexit would be en epperinniiw ie— faster, thought brexit would be an opportunity to do so. ' "g an opportunity to do so. any disappointments in that area? yes, i all my time have been peeeieneie— yes, i all my time have been passionate about— yes, i all my time have been passionate about about animal weiiere— passionate about about animal weiiere. ine— passionate about about animal welfare. the approach we take to eninei— welfare. the approach we take to animal welfare— welfare. the approach we take to animal welfare and_ welfare. the approach we take to animal welfare and the way we ireei— animal welfare and the way we treat sentient— animal welfare and the way we treat sentient animals,

penienieriw— treat sentient animals, particularly farm animals , is particularly farm animals, is eeineiiw— particularly farm animals, is eeineiiw ine — particularly farm animals, is actually the hallmark of a eiviiieei— actually the hallmark of a civilised society and i've eiwewe— civilised society and i've eiwewe ieii— civilised society and i've always felt we - civilised society and i've always felt we could do better eni— always felt we could do better eni inere— always felt we could do better and there should— always felt we could do better and there should be a constant eiieri— and there should be a constant eiieri ie— and there should be a constant effort to improve— and there should be a constant effort to improve animal welfare iegieieiien— effort to improve animal welfare legislation and_ effort to improve animal welfare legislation and there were other eiie— legislation and there were other iiiie eiiii— legislation and there were other bills still to— legislation and there were other bills still to be— legislation and there were other bills still to be brought ierweri— bills still to be brought forward. one- bills still to be brought forward. one of them was the epi— forward. one of them was the iepi anineie— forward. one of them was the kept animals bill that had a peeiege— kept animals bill that had a peeiege ei— kept animals bill that had a package of measures, including the package of measures, including ine ien— package of measures, including ine ienliive— package of measures, including the ban live exports , which the ban on live exports, which was something— the ban on live exports, which was something we wanted to do eni— was something we wanted to do eni wee— was something we wanted to do eni e— was something we wanted to do and was a brexit— was something we wanted to do and was a brexit net benefit. ani— and was a brexit net benefit. ani eeiiw— and was a brexit net benefit. ani sadly ine— and was a brexit net benefit. and sadly, the government have ieeiiei— and sadly, the government have ieeiiei-ie— and sadly, the government have decided-to take— and sadly, the government have decided to take that decided not to take that ierweri. — decided not to take that forward. and _ decided not to take that forward. and i- decided not to take that forward. and i think that's a greei— forward. and i think that's a greei nee— forward. and i think that's a great shame. they so great shame. and they did so ieeenee— great shame. and they did so because-animal- great shame. and they did so because animal welfare because they see animal welfare as a contentious— because they see animal welfare as a contentious issue. they were-inee- as a contentious issue. they were there would as a contentious issue. they were -there would all were worried there would be all eerie— were worried there would be all sorts—amendments. were worried there would be all sorts amendments and sorts of emotive amendments and it sorts of emotive amendments and ii weeii— sorts of emotive amendments and ii wenii iee— sorts of emotive amendments and it would be difficult to manage. ine— it would be difficult to manage. ine nein— it would be difficult to manage. the truth ithough,_ it would be difficult to manage. the truth though, we had the truth is, though, we had eireeiw— the truth is, though, we had eireeiw-ier- the truth is, though, we had already -for that, i already planned for that, i ieveiepei— already planned for that, i developed as— already planned for that, i developed as the minister responsible— developed as the minister responsible handling strategy a nenegeneni— responsible handling strategy a management strategy for any eeneeivei— management strategy for any conceived bill,— management strategy for any conceived bill, amendments that eewi— conceived bill, amendments that eeeii neve— conceived bill, amendments that could have been— conceived bill, amendments that could have been made to the ieiii— could have been made to the ieiii-verw— could have been made to the bill. very disappointed bill. so i'm very disappointed the bill. so i'm very disappointed ine—iiin-i- bill. so i'm very disappointed the—didn't take. bill. so i'm very disappointed the—didn't take itj the government didn't take it ierweri— the government didn't take it ierweri. nei— the government didn't take it forward. but we— the government didn't take it forward. but we are where are forward. but we are where we are eni— forward. but we are where we are ene-neve— forward. but we are where we are ene-nevelirw- forward. but we are where we are and-haveltry and. and we'll now have to try and pick— and we'll now have to try and pick-eene— and we'll now have to try and pieileene ei— and we'll now have to try and pick some of those measures pick up some of those measures inee—- pick up some of those measures inee— priveiel in other ways, such as private rnernerei— in other ways, such as private members-might- in other ways, such as private members-might you. in other ways, such as privatei members-might you do members bills. might you do that? i members bills. might you do ineie inigni— members bills. might you do that? i might do—

members bills. might you do that? i might do that,- members bills. ii 32 3: 227 i might do that, but that? i might do that, but inee-ii— that? i might do that, but inere-ii ie— that? i might do that, but there'll be a— that? i might do that, but there'll be a bit- 225227 i might do that, but there'll be a bit of me 2227 i might do that, but there'll be a bit of me that ininie— there'll be a bit of me that ininie i— there'll be a bit of me that thinks i did— there'll be a bit of me that thinks i did all— there'll be a bit of me that thinks i did all the work before eni— thinks i did all the work before eni we— thinks i did all the work before eni we eewi— thinks i did all the work before and we could have just this and we could have just done this wiin— and we could have just done this win—newe- and we could have just done this with—hours of- and we could have just done this with—hours of time. with an extra five hours of time in parliament,— with an extra five hours of time in parliament, of— with an extra five hours of time in parliament, of which there's pieniw— in parliament, of which there's pieniw ei— in parliament, of which there's pieniw ei iinee— in parliament, of which there's plenty of times parliament plenty of times when parliament iieeppeere—se- plenty of times when parliament disappears—so it- disappears home early. so it eewi— disappears home early. so it eerie-peen— disappears home early. so it could-been done- disappears home early. so it could been done and was could have been done and it was reeiiw— could have been done and it was reeiiw only— could have been done and it was really only,ithink,_ could have been done and it was really only, think, sort of really only, i think, sort of excessive-and- excessive caution and eeneiiiviiw— excessive caution and sensitivity to - excessive caution and sensitivity to the to the risk of sensitivity to the to the risk ei eneive— sensitivity to the to the risk of emotive issues that caused inen — of emotive issues that caused inen ie— of emotive issues that caused inen ie ieiew— of emotive issues that caused them to delay. it— of emotive issues that caused them to delay. it really enjoy inei— them to delay. it really enjoy inei enei— them to delay. it really enjoy that chat and_ them to delay. it really enjoy that chat and really enjoyed geiiing— that chat and really enjoyed geiiing ine— that chat and really enjoyed getting the benefit of your wieien— getting the benefit of your wisdom, particularly in that ieperineni— wisdom, particularly in that department that you spent so neen— department that you spent so nnen iine— department that you spent so nnen iine in— department that you spent so much time in and wish you well for much time in and wish you well ier ine— much time in and wish you well for the -chapter_ much time in and wish you well for the chapter whenever for the next chapter whenever inei— for the next chapter whenever inei-eenee. - for the next chapter whenever that-comes. when. for the next chapter whenever. that-comes. when do for the next chapter whenever- that-comes. when do you that election comes. when do you think it'll be? i can't see really think it'll be? i can't see reeiiw en— think it'll be? i can't see really an incentive- 2 22 zri:7 i can't see really an incentive for gevernneni- really an incentive for government to go particularly eeriw—il government to go particularlyi eeriw—i eiiii early at the moment. so i still inni— early at the moment. so i still inini preieiiw— early at the moment. so i still think probably by— early at the moment. so i still think probably by october next weer— think probably by october next weer .— think probably by october next weer . me.— think probably by october next year , 2024, we'll— think probably by october next year , 2024, we'll put it in our year, 2024, we'll put it in our iieriee. — year, 2024, we'll put it in our diaries. george— year, 2024, we'll put it in our diaries. 229: 2.52 var: year, 2024, we'll put it in our diaries. 229: 2.52 iii: diaries. george eustice, thank you very much. thank you. coming up, seema malhotra , what people up, seema malhotra, what people underestimate when you have a member of the family that's got terminal, terminal illness or life changing illnesses, how much it takes from the rest of the family

labour mps seema malhotra you are on the front bench, your shadow minister for business and consumers. you dad run a family shop.i consumers. you dad run a family shop. i read that you sold everything from school uniforms to jewellery. did the experience of living in the family shop, did it influence how you come up with policies to support small businesses as well? the experience of 7 the experience of growing up in a eneir— experience of growing up in a eneii enep— experience of growing up in a eneii enep in— experience of growing up in a small shop in our— experience of growing up in a small shop in our community reeiiw— small shop in our community reeiiw iii— small shop in our community really did influence me, and ie— really did influence me, and re e— really did influence me, and re e eei— really did influence me, and re e eei ei— really did influence me, and it's a set of memories that i eiiii— it's a set of memories that i eiiii neve— it's a set of memories that i still have. we— it's a set of memories that i still have. we grew up as a ieniiw— still have. we grew up as a ieniiw ei— still have. we grew up as a family of eight— still have. we grew up as a family of eight five children. my family of eight five children. iiw perenie— family of eight five children. my parents and_ family of eight five children. my parents and my grandmother iiving— my parents and my grandmother iiving eieve— my parents and my grandmother living above-shop.- my parents and my grandmother living above shop. so it was living above the shop. so it was eeneining— living above the shop. so it was eeneining-we— living above the shop. so it was something-we-ourl something that we had in our iivee— something that we had in our iivee everw— something that we had in our iivee everw iew— something that we had in our lives every day and it was an expeiene— lives every day and it was an experience where— lives every day and it was an experience where i really do ininx— experience where i really do ininx ii— experience where i really do ininx ii geve— experience where i really do think it gave me— experience where i really do think it gave me a sense of being— think it gave me a sense of being en— think it gave me a sense of being en ine— think it gave me a sense of being on the front line in a cennnniiw— being on the front line in a community. you— being on the front line in a community. you know, people came in ie— community. you know, people came in ie buy— community. you know, people came in ie iww ine— community. you know, people came in to buy the school— community. you know, people came in to buy the school uniforms or to in to buy the school uniforms or ie buy— in to buy the school uniforms or ie buy inreei— in to buy the school uniforms or to buy thread from _ in to buy the school uniforms or to buy thread from our gutterman,_ to buy thread from our gutterman, you know, rack . if

gutterman, you know, rack. if peepie— gutterman, you know, rack. if people remember gutermann thread . ieni— people remember gutermann thread . iei eiee— people remember gutermann thread . iei eiee weir— people remember gutermann thread . iei eiee weii .— people remember gutermann thread , but also well, it's— people remember gutermann thread , but also well , it's funny, we , but also well, it's funny, we eiiii— , but also well, it's funny, we eiiii neve— , but also well, it's funny, we still have the— , but also well, it's funny, we still have the rack— , but also well, it's funny, we still have the rack in the gerege— still have the rack in the gerege. ini— still have the rack in the garage, but it— still have the rack in the garage, but it was one of those expenencee— garage, but it was one of those experiences where— garage, but it was one of those experiences where you really in ine — experiences where you really were in the community. people young— were in the community. people wenng eni— were in the community. people wenng eni eii— were in the community. people young and old came in. it was wnere— young and old came in. it was wnere i— young and old came in. it was where i learned— young and old came in. it was where i learned to— young and old came in. it was where i learned to go out and eieni— where i learned to go out and eieni wiin— where i learned to go out and eieni wiin nw— where i learned to go out and about with my father because he was about with my father because he iiie — about with my father because he iiie en — about with my father because he was like an old— about with my father because he was like an old fashioned salesman as— was like an old fashioned salesman as well. he was us inperiing— salesman as well. he was us importing jewellery and clothes iren— importing jewellery and clothes iren iniie— importing jewellery and clothes from india. so— importing jewellery and clothes from india. so he— importing jewellery and clothes from india. so he used to have a eeiiceee— from india. so he used to have a eeiiceee inei— from india. so he used to have a suitcase that he— from india. so he used to have a suitcase that he used to put in the suitcase that he used to put in ine peei— suitcase that he used to put in ine ieei ei— suitcase that he used to put in the boot of the— suitcase that he used to put in the boot of the car— suitcase that he used to put in the boot of the car and go out to the boot of the car and go out ie enepe— the boot of the car and go out ie enepe eni— the boot of the car and go out to shops and leatherhead and ceiiiieri— to shops and leatherhead and guildford and,— to shops and leatherhead and guildford and, and really show his guildford and, and really show nie eenpiee— guildford and, and really show his samples and_ guildford and, and really show his samples and get orders. and i his samples and get orders. and i neei— his samples and get orders. and i reei ie— his samples and get orders. and i used to sometimes go with him as i used to sometimes go with him ee iixe— i used to sometimes go with him ee iiie e— i used to sometimes go with him ee iiie e s— i used to sometimes go with him ee iiie e s er— i used to sometimes go with him ee iiie e s er e— i used to sometimes go with him as like a 5 or 6 year— i used to sometimes go with him as like a 5 or 6 year old and egneiiw— as like a 5 or 6 year old and egneiiw in— as like a 5 or 6 year old and egneiiw in ine— as like a 5 or 6 year old and equally in the shop, you know, wnen— equally in the shop, you know, wnen we— equally in the shop, you know, when we were— equally in the shop, you know, when we were serving customers, when we were serving customers, i when we were serving customers, i rernerneri— when we were serving customers, i rernerneri nw— when we were serving customers, i remember my mum testing me on my i remember my mum testing me on nw eriinneiic— i remember my mum testing me on my arithmetic when _ i remember my mum testing me on my arithmetic when i— i remember my mum testing me on my arithmetic when i had to ceiceieie— my arithmetic when i had to calculate how— my arithmetic when i had to calculate how much change to give— calculate how much change to give ine— calculate how much change to give the customer— calculate how much change to give the customer when they give us give the customer when they give ee ice-io— give the customer when they give ee ice-so eni— give the customer when they give ee ice-so eni ii— give the customer when they give us £0.50 and it was— give the customer when they give us £0.50 and it was for £0.37, you— us £0.50 and it was for £0.37, wen inew— us £0.50 and it was for £0.37, wen knew. eii— us £0.50 and it was for £0.37, you know, all those experiences i you know, all those experiences iininx— you know, all those experiences iininx ee— you know, all those experiences i think are really— you know, all those experiences i think are really significant ieee— i think are really significant because they,— i think are really significant because they, they do remind me of because they, they do remind me ei wnei— because they, they do remind me ei wnei ii—

because they, they do remind me ei wnei ii wee— because they, they do remind me of what it was like— because they, they do remind me of what it was like to live in a enep. — of what it was like to live in a enep. i— of what it was like to live in a enep. i never— of what it was like to live in a shop. i never thought about it necn— shop. i never thought about it necn ei— shop. i never thought about it necn ei ine— shop. i never thought about it much at the time, but it was inee— much at the time, but it was inere iew— much at the time, but it was inere iew eni— much at the time, but it was there day and night. we never reeiiw— there day and night. we never reeiiw gei— there day and night. we never reeiiw gei ewew— there day and night. we never really got away. family income eni— really got away. family income and business— really got away. family income and business income is really interconnected.— and business income is really interconnected. an issue that i eeeliei— interconnected. an issue that i eeeliei ieiew— interconnected. an issue that i seellot today and- interconnected. an issue that i see lot today and if the see a lot today and if the ieniiw— see a lot today and if the ieniiw ii— see a lot today and if the family if the— see a lot today and if the family if the business isn't ieing— family if the business isn't ieing wat,— family if the business isn't doing well, nor— family if the business isn't doing well, nor is the family . i— doing well, nor is the family income , i found— doing well, nor is the family income , i found out later income, i found out later ieee— income, i found out later ieee weer— income, i found out later because your parents never ieixei— because your parents never ieixei ie— because your parents never talked to you— because your parents never talked to you about these ininge.— talked to you about these things-were- talked to you about these things. were almost things. but we were almost eiwewe— things. but we were almost always overdrawn. know, always overdrawn. you know, it's the always overdrawn. you know, it's ine-wnw— always overdrawn. you know, it's ine-wnw we— always overdrawn. you know, it's the-why we never- always overdrawn. you know, it's the why we never had a the reason why we never had a ieniiw— the reason why we never had a ieniiw neiiiew— the reason why we never had a family holiday when we were young— family holiday when we were youngv nei— family holiday when we were youngv nei eer— family holiday when we were young, had our family holiday wee-inp— young, had our family holiday wee-irip ie— young, had our family holiday was-trip to the- young, had our family holiday was trip to the seaside on was a day trip to the seaside on the was a day trip to the seaside on ine angnei— was a day trip to the seaside on the august bank— was a day trip to the seaside on the august bank holiday. and we neei— the august bank holiday. and we reei ie— the august bank holiday. and we reei ie neie— the august bank holiday. and we used to make a— the august bank holiday. and we used to make a packed lunch in the used to make a packed lunch in ine-ani— used to make a packed lunch in ine-ani ii— used to make a packed lunch in the -and it would- the morning. and it would be inie— the morning. and it would be we wneie— the morning. and it would be this whole-thing- the morning. and it would be this whole thing where this whole exciting thing where we-eii— this whole exciting thing where we-eiile- this whole exciting thing where. we - off. a, - know, we would go off for a, you know, for we would go off for a, you know, ierliew— we would go off for a, you know, ierliew nee-re— we would go off for a, you know, forlfew hours. my— we would go off for a, you know, for few hours. my dad would for a few hours. my dad would pick— for a few hours. my dad would pick e— for a few hours. my dad would pick a different— for a few hours. my dad would pick a different seaside that we nein-i— pick a different seaside that we hadn't-before,- pick a different seaside that we hadn't-before, but- hadn't been to before, but and i inengni— hadn't been to before, but and i never thought about it. but that was never thought about it. but that inei— never thought about it. but that inei wee— never thought about it. but that was that was our— never thought about it. but that was that was our reality, you knew.— was that was our reality, you knew-ene— was that was our reality, you knew-ene ei— was that was our reality, you know, one of those kids know, i was one of those kids inei— know, i was one of those kids we preieiiw— know, i was one of those kids that probably didn't outside that probably didn't go outside of that probably didn't go outside ei—niie— that probably didn't go outside ei—niie in— that probably didn't go outside of_mile in which. that probably didn't go outside of mile in which they of the square mile in which they iivee— of the square mile in which they iivei eni— of the square mile in which they iivei eni ine— of the square mile in which they lived and the-in— of the square mile in which they lived and the in which lived and the way in which a eneii— lived and the way in which a small business— lived and the way in which a small business and running that in e— small business and running that in e cenneniiw— small business and running that in a community takes in a community really takes the wneie— in a community really takes the wnere-ieniiw— in a community really takes the whole-family-is- in a community really takes the whole family is part whole of the family and is part of whole of the family and is part ei-iiie— whole of the family and is part ei-iiie ie— whole of the family and is part of-life is one— whole of the family and is part of-life is one of- whole of the family and is part of life is one of the of your life is one of the reasons why— of your life is one of the reasons why i- of your life is one of the reasons why i think we need to

ieie— reasons why i think we need to ieie ieniiw— reasons why i think we need to take family businesses and cenneniiw— take family businesses and community their community businesses and their neeie— community businesses and their needs more seriously needs so much more seriously ieee— needs so much more seriously because-on the- needs so much more seriously because on the front because they are on the front tine— because they are on the front iine eni— because they are on the front iine eni inew— because they are on the front line and they need government line and they do need government eepperi— line and they do need government enpperi-inew— line and they do need government enpperi-inew-ie-inl support and they ought to be, in my support and they ought to be, in nw vie— support and they ought to be, in nw view-ine— support and they ought to be, in my view,.the heart- support and they ought to be, in my view, the heart of any my view, at the heart of any pien— my view, at the heart of any pien ier— my view, at the heart of any plan for growth— my view, at the heart of any plan for growth of our high eireeie— plan for growth of our high streets communities. streets and our communities. ani— streets and our communities. ann-ine— streets and our communities. . and -the-consumers and you have the word consumers in your job title. now any consumer right now is feeling pred consumer right now is feeling ripped off every time they leave the house open a bill. how are you going to help them? consumers are right to feel rippei— consumers are right to feel rippei eii— consumers are right to feel ripped off and_ consumers are right to feel ripped off and we have got a gevernneni— ripped off and we have got a government under which we have e weekening— government under which we have seen a weakening of consumer preieciiene— seen a weakening of consumer preieciiene .— seen a weakening of consumer preieciiene . ii— seen a weakening of consumer protections . if you take as one protections. if you take as one exenpie— protections. if you take as one exenpie. ine — protections. if you take as one example, the cuts— protections. if you take as one example, the cuts to our trading eienierie— example, the cuts to our trading standards teams— example, the cuts to our trading standards teams ,_ example, the cuts to our trading standards teams , you've seen a standards teams, you've seen a crie— standards teams, you've seen a cnie ei— standards teams, you've seen a cnie ei ever— standards teams, you've seen a cnie ei so.— standards teams, you've seen a cuts of over 50. if— standards teams, you've seen a cuts of over 50. if you look at ei— cuts of over 50. if you look at ei ine— cuts of over 50. if you look at some of the challenges we've got rigni— some of the challenges we've got rigni new— some of the challenges we've got rigni ne— some of the challenges we've got right now, new challenges of vepee— right now, new challenges of vepee en— right now, new challenges of vapes on our on— right now, new challenges of vapes on our on our high streets inei— vapes on our on our high streets inei ee— vapes on our on our high streets inei wee— vapes on our on our high streets that are, you know,— vapes on our on our high streets that are, you know, a third of wnicn— that are, you know, a third of wnicn ee— that are, you know, a third of which are not— that are, you know, a third of which are not meeting the cneni— which are not meeting the current tobacco - which are not meeting the current tobacco regulation laws. vee— current tobacco regulation laws. yen inew— current tobacco regulation laws. yen knew. inie— current tobacco regulation laws. you know, this is— current tobacco regulation laws. you know, this is in part ieee— you know, this is in part because we've- you know, this is in part because we've got porous ieriere. — because we've got porous ieriere. vie— because we've got porous borders. we do- because we've got porous borders. we do not have the cnecxe— borders. we do not have the checks that— borders. we do not have the checks that we _ borders. we do not have the checks that we need . we do not checks that we need. we do not neve—

checks that we need. we do not neve ine— checks that we need. we do not have the infrastructure. we inereiere.— have the infrastructure. we therefore, we've _ have the infrastructure. we therefore, we've got unsafe preiecie— therefore, we've got unsafe preiecie in— therefore, we've got unsafe products in our— therefore, we've got unsafe products in our communities. but eiee— products in our communities. but eiee ine— products in our communities. but eiee ine ieenee— products in our communities. but also the issues come wider than inei— also the issues come wider than we ieee— also the issues come wider than that because when— also the issues come wider than that because when you go online, inere-e— that because when you go online, inere-e e— that because when you go online, inere-e e iei— that because when you go online, there's a lot of— that because when you go online, there's a lot of people do with inei— there's a lot of people do with ineir enepping— there's a lot of people do with their shopping online. there are meter— their shopping online. there are neter ieenee— their shopping online. there are major issues with— their shopping online. there are major issues with things like ieie— major issues with things like fake reviews— major issues with things like fake reviews where people are eewing— fake reviews where people are eewing preiecie— fake reviews where people are buying products that aren't what inew— buying products that aren't what inew ee— buying products that aren't what they are expected— buying products that aren't what they are expected to be. they ieni— they are expected to be. they ien-i neve— they are expected to be. they don't have that— they are expected to be. they don't have that consumer expeiene— don't have that consumer expeiene .— don't have that consumer experience . so- don't have that consumer experience . so the government's experience. so the government's peen— experience. so the government's ieen ier— experience. so the government's ieen ier iee— experience. so the government's been far too slow— experience. so the government's been far too slow at bringing in ieie— been far too slow at bringing in ieie reviewe— been far too slow at bringing in fake reviews. and— been far too slow at bringing in fake reviews. and the new bill inei-e— fake reviews. and the new bill inei-e cening— fake reviews. and the new bill that's coming into parliament now— that's coming into parliament inei— that's coming into parliament now, now that i'm working on the iigiiei— now, now that i'm working on the digital markets— now, now that i'm working on the digital markets competition and consumers bill,— digital markets competition and consumers bill, i— digital markets competition and consumers bill, i absolutely ieiieve— consumers bill, i absolutely ieiieve nee— consumers bill, i absolutely believe has tackle that issue believe has to tackle that issue ieee— believe has to tackle that issue because consumers are paying a lot because consumers are paying a iei mere— because consumers are paying a iei inen— because consumers are paying a lot more than they— because consumers are paying a lot more than they should for geeie— lot more than they should for geeie-ei— lot more than they should for goods-of these- lot more than they should for goods of these fake goods because of these fake revieweliwi— goods because of these fake reviews but subscription reviews, but also subscription irepe— reviews, but also subscription irepe .— reviews, but also subscription irepe. i— reviews, but also subscription irepe. i neen— reviews, but also subscription traps , i mean, which estimates traps, i mean, which estimates inei— traps, i mean, which estimates that citizens— traps, i mean, which estimates that citizens advice that this cenii— that citizens advice that this ceeii ie— that citizens advice that this could be costing— that citizens advice that this could be costing over £300 niiiien— could be costing over £300 niiiien e— could be costing over £300 million a year— could be costing over £300 million a year in- could be costing over £300 million a year in people buying preiecie— million a year in people buying preiecie inei— million a year in people buying products that they don't want. ani— products that they don't want. ani inere-e— products that they don't want. and there's got— products that they don't want. and there's got to be a iigniening— and there's got to be a tightening up of those rules iixe— tightening up of those rules iiie in— tightening up of those rules iiie in ine— tightening up of those rules like in the way— tightening up of those rules like in the way that labour's ceiiei— like in the way that labour's ceiiei ier. — like in the way that labour's called for. so— like in the way that labour's called for. so you have much epi— called for. so you have much epi in— called for. so you have much more opt in rather than being epiing— more opt in rather than being epiing eei.— more opt in rather than being opting out, cancel having to

cencei— opting out, cancel having to cencei eii— opting out, cancel having to cancel all so— opting out, cancel having to cancel all so things should be eene— cancel all so things should be iene wiin— cancel all so things should be done with people's permission wiin— done with people's permission with transparent— done with people's permission with transparent u.s. done with people's permission with transparent us. and we with transparent u.s. and we neei— with transparent us. and we neei necn— with transparent us. and we need much more— with transparent us. and we need much more clarity over and cerieiniw— need much more clarity over and cerieiniw ever— need much more clarity over and certainty over how— need much more clarity over and certainty over how people are being— certainty over how people are being cnergei— certainty over how people are being charged and protection for consumers around— being charged and protection for consumers around that. \r:rri being charged and protection for consumers around that. \r:ret consumers around that. now, we eieriei— consumers around that. now, we eieriei inin— consumers around that. now, we started this interview by talking about your dad. he is no longer with us. he had cancer , longer with us. he had cancer, died nearly a decade ago. we what sort of caring role did you have ? kyiv towards the end of have? kyiv towards the end of his life, i guess . well, i had his life, i guess. well, i had cering— his life, i guess. well, i had cering reiee— his life, i guess. well, i had caring roles both— his life, i guess. well, i had caring roles both for- 2 2 �*7: 3 well, i had caring roles both for my father in nie— caring roles both for my father in his cancer— caring roles both for my father in his cancer ,_ caring roles both for my father in his cancer , but— caring roles both for my father in his cancer , but also my in his cancer, but also my neiner.— in his cancer, but also my mother, who— in his cancer, but also my mother, who had three strokes, eni— mother, who had three strokes, eni ene— mother, who had three strokes, and she passed— mother, who had three strokes, and she passed away last last weer.— and she passed away last last weer. i— and she passed away last last weer. i ininx— and she passed away last last year. i think what's what people underestimate— year. i think what's what people underestimate when you have kyiv a underestimate when you have kyiv e rnerneir— underestimate when you have kyiv e rnerneir ei— underestimate when you have kyiv a member of the— underestimate when you have kyiv a member of the family that's got a member of the family that's gei ierninei— a member of the family that's got terminal is— a member of the family that's got terminal is terminal illness or got terminal is terminal illness er iire— got terminal is terminal illness or life changing— got terminal is terminal illness or life changing illnesses , how or life changing illnesses, how necn— or life changing illnesses, how necn ii— or life changing illnesses, how much it takes— or life changing illnesses, how much it takes from the rest of ine— much it takes from the rest of ine family— much it takes from the rest of the family, how— much it takes from the rest of the family, how much you have to juggle— the family, how much you have to tnggie eii— the family, how much you have to tnggie eii weer— the family, how much you have to juggle all your work and your iine— juggle all your work and your iine eni— juggle all your work and your iine eni wew— juggle all your work and your time and your energy and your ieniiw— time and your energy and your own family commitments and i rernerneri wnen— own family commitments and i remember when he was diagnosed

neei— remember when he was diagnosed reei wen— remember when he was diagnosed reei wen knew.— remember when he was diagnosed used you know, when the families ieii— used you know, when the families ieii inere— used you know, when the families told there was— used you know, when the families told there was a— used you know, when the families told there was a lot— used you know, when the families told there was a lot of time inei— told there was a lot of time we weni— told there was a lot of time that went in— told there was a lot of time that went in trying to make life inei— that went in trying to make life ieei e— that went in trying to make life ieei e ieii— that went in trying to make life just a bit easier— that went in trying to make life just a bit easier for my father. ani— just a bit easier for my father. ani nw— just a bit easier for my father. and my mother,— just a bit easier for my father. and my mother, you know, taking him and my mother, you know, taking nin ie— and my mother, you know, taking nin ie ine— and my mother, you know, taking him to the hospital— him to the hospital appointments, juggling that with being— appointments, juggling that with being in— appointments, juggling that with being in parliament, i would yo-yo_ being in parliament, i would yo—yo sometimes twice a day, wnicn— yo—yo sometimes twice a day, wnicn neene— yo—yo sometimes twice a day, which means going from the ceneiiinencw— which means going from the constituency to— which means going from the constituency to parliament and peck— constituency to parliament and iecx eni— constituency to parliament and back and then— constituency to parliament and back and then into parliament. ani— back and then into parliament. ani wnen— back and then into parliament. ani wnen we— back and then into parliament. and when we had— back and then into parliament. and when we had late night vie— and when we had late night vie ani— and when we had late night votes. and so— and when we had late night votes. and so on,- and when we had late night votes. and so on, i would if he in— votes. and so on, i would if he was in hospital,— votes. and so on, i would if he was in hospital, be— votes. and so on, i would if he was in hospital, be going into neepiiei— was in hospital, be going into neepiiei en— was in hospital, be going into neepiiei en nw— was in hospital, be going into hospital on my way back, whether it hospital on my way back, whether ii wee— hospital on my way back, whether ii 9 — hospital on my way back, whether ii 9 er— hospital on my way back, whether ii 9 er i9— hospital on my way back, whether it was 9 or 10 at— hospital on my way back, whether it was 9 or 10 at night, just to cnecx— it was 9 or 10 at night, just to cnecx ep— it was 9 or 10 at night, just to cnecx up en— it was 9 or 10 at night, just to check up on how— it was 9 or 10 at night, just to check up on how things were and, you check up on how things were and, wen inew— check up on how things were and, wen knew .— check up on how things were and, wen knew . inei— check up on how things were and, wen knew . tnei eew— check up on how things were and, you know , just say good night, you know, just say good night, you— you know, just say good night, wen knew— you know, just say good night, wen knew .— you know, just say good night, you know , some— you know, just say good night, you know , some of the basics and you know, some of the basics and i you know, some of the basics and iinink— you know, some of the basics and iinink ei— you know, some of the basics and i think at those— you know, some of the basics and i think at those times, you also neve— i think at those times, you also neve ie— i think at those times, you also neve ie ieke— i think at those times, you also have to take care— i think at those times, you also have to take care of the partner . ani— have to take care of the partner . ani nw— have to take care of the partner . kni nw nen— have to take care of the partner . and my mum stopped looking eiier— . and my mum stopped looking after herself— . and my mum stopped looking after herself because she's so ieceeeei— after herself because she's so ieceeeei en— after herself because she's so focussed on on— after herself because she's so focussed on on my dad and in some ways that— focussed on on my dad and in some ways that cumulative impact e periei— some ways that cumulative impact e periei ei— some ways that cumulative impact over a period of months led to ei— over a period of months led to ei ine— over a period of months led to some of the health conditions inei— some of the health conditions we inei— some of the health conditions that that also _ some of the health conditions that that also led to her eirekee— that that also led to her strokes in,— that that also led to her strokes in, in— that that also led to her strokes in, in due course. and so strokes in, in due course. and ee ine— strokes in, in due course. and ee ine wew— strokes in, in due course. and ee ine wew in— strokes in, in due course. and so the way in which we have to inink— so the way in which we have to inink eieni— so the way in which we have to think about care,— so the way in which we have to think about care, in my view, eni—

think about care, in my view, eni ine— think about care, in my view, eni ine wew— think about care, in my view, and the way we— think about care, in my view, and the way we have to think eieni— and the way we have to think eieni neving— and the way we have to think about having some greater iiexiiiiiiw— about having some greater flexibility to _ about having some greater flexibility to reduce the stress on flexibility to reduce the stress en ine— flexibility to reduce the stress on the carers— flexibility to reduce the stress on the carers with the work they eiiii— on the carers with the work they eiiii neve— on the carers with the work they eiiii neve ie— on the carers with the work they still have to do— on the carers with the work they still have to do and the work inew— still have to do and the work inew eiiii— still have to do and the work they still want— still have to do and the work they still want to _ still have to do and the work they still want to do is really inperieni— they still want to do is really inpeneni ier— they still want to do is really important for how we design a eweien— important for how we design a care system that's— important for how we design a care system that's fit for the werkierce— care system that's fit for the workforce and _ care system that's fit for the workforce and the society that we neve— workforce and the society that we neve ieiew— workforce and the society that we have today and of tomorrow . i we have today and of tomorrow. i inink— we have today and of tomorrow. i inink wiin— we have today and of tomorrow. i think with slightly— we have today and of tomorrow. i think with slightly different expeiene— think with slightly different experience with my mother, with her experience with my mother, with ner eirekee— experience with my mother, with her strokes and_ experience with my mother, with her strokes and that was much inienee— her strokes and that was much more intense when it came to, wee— more intense when it came to, wen knew.— more intense when it came to, wen knew. ner— more intense when it came to, you know, her last— more intense when it came to, you know, her last days. i think it you know, her last days. i think ii wee— you know, her last days. i think ii verw— you know, her last days. i think it was very different because ene — it was very different because ene nei— it was very different because ene nei ie— it was very different because she had to be— it was very different because she had to be at— it was very different because she had to be at home with 24 over seven care.— she had to be at home with 24 over seven care. and so this was at over seven care. and so this was ei ine— over seven care. and so this was ei ine eien— over seven care. and so this was ei ine eieri ei— over seven care. and so this was at the start of last— over seven care. and so this was at the start of last year where wen-re— at the start of last year where we neving— at the start of last year where you're having to— at the start of last year where you're having to set up people wne— you're having to set up people wne ee— you're having to set up people who are strangers— you're having to set up people who are strangers going into weer— who are strangers going into weer ieniiw— who are strangers going into your family home, your parents nene— your family home, your parents nene wiin— your family home, your parents home with your— your family home, your parents home with your mum on her own, eni— home with your mum on her own, eni eeiieniw— home with your mum on her own, and suddenly faced— home with your mum on her own, and suddenly faced with a bill of and suddenly faced with a bill ei 99999— and suddenly faced with a bill ei 99999 e— and suddenly faced with a bill of £8,000 a month because you neve— of £8,000 a month because you neve ie— of £8,000 a month because you neve ie pew— of £8,000 a month because you neve ie pew-inei— of £8,000 a month because you have to pay that care day have to pay for that care day eni— have to pay for that care day eni nign.— have to pay for that care day eni nign-wen- have to pay for that care day and night. you know, for and night. and, you know, for ine— and night. and, you know, for ine iirei— and night. and, you know, for the first six— and night. and, you know, for the first six weeks after the it 8999— the first six weeks after the it 9999 e— the first six weeks after the it was 8000 a month, that was the pit — was 8000 a month, that was the pit ani— was 8000 a month, that was the pit ani inei— was 8000 a month, that was the bill. and that was— was 8000 a month, that was the bill. and that was including me ieing— bill. and that was including me doing overnight— bill. and that was including me doing overnight three nights a week.— doing overnight three nights a week. ani—

doing overnight three nights a week. and then— doing overnight three nights a week. and then other family rnernieere— week. and then other family members coming in for a few newe — members coming in for a few newe nei— members coming in for a few hours. but £8,000 wouldn't be unneeri— hours. but £8,000 wouldn't be unneeri ei— hours. but £8,000 wouldn't be unheard of for— hours. but £8,000 wouldn't be unheard of for a— hours. but £8,000 wouldn't be unheard of for a month and were— unheard of for a month and were wiin— unheard of for a month and that's with extra— unheard of for a month and that's with extra family support ieceeee— that's with extra family support ieecenee wen— that's with extra family support because you have— that's with extra family support because you have day and night . ani— because you have day and night . ani ee— because you have day and night care . and so it— because you have day and night care . and so it was— because you have day and night care . and so it was juggling care. and so it was juggling inei— care. and so it was juggling inei eni— care. and so it was juggling that and making sure that she en peeri— that and making sure that she was on board with it all. it iecerne— was on board with it all. it iecerne verw— was on board with it all. it became very stressful for her ieee wen — became very stressful for her because, you know, she knew it wen— because, you know, she knew it wen knew.— because, you know, she knew it wen knew. ee— because, you know, she knew it was, you know, as my dad's eevinge— was, you know, as my dad's eevinge inei— was, you know, as my dad's savings that was— was, you know, as my dad's savings that was going towards her savings that was going towards ner nei— savings that was going towards her care. but it— savings that was going towards her care. but it was very eireeeiw— her care. but it was very stressful on— her care. but it was very- stressful on -everything stressful on top of everything eiee— stressful on top of everything eiee ie— stressful on top of everything eiee ie-new— stressful on top of everything else to how much it was else to know how much it was ceeiing— else to know how much it was ceeiing. se— else to know how much it was ceeiing. se i— else to know how much it was costing. so i think— else to know how much it was costing. so i think but i think ieweni— costing. so i think but i think ieweni inei— costing. so i think but i think beyond that, it— costing. so i think but i think beyond that, it was also how do you— beyond that, it was also how do wen ireei— beyond that, it was also how do wen irnei peepie— beyond that, it was also how do you trust people who are coming in? you trust people who are coming inc-inen— you trust people who are coming inc-inen wee- you trust people who are coming in?-them were new- you trust people who are coming in? them were new then. in? some of them were new then. inere-e— in? some of them were new then. there's instability— in? some of them were new then. there's instability the there's instability with the werkierce. — there's instability with the workforce. the _ there's instability with the workforce. the retraining, the neking—gei- making, sure they've got ceiiwei— making, sure they've got cultural awareness how cultural awareness as well, how ene— cultural awareness as well, how ene iikee— cultural awareness as well, how ene iikee ner— cultural awareness as well, how she likes her food,— cultural awareness as well, how she likes her food, what the iiiiereni— she likes her food, what the different food _ she likes her food, what the different food is, and so on. so nenw— different food is, and so on. so nenw ininge— different food is, and so on. so many things need— different food is, and so on. so many things need be taken many things need to be taken inie— many things need to be taken inie-ier— many things need to be taken inie-ier e— many things need to be taken into-for a proper- many things need to be taken into for a proper care into account for a proper care eweien — into account for a proper care eweien in— into account for a proper care eweien in ew— into account for a proper care system in our country, but it ieegni—ieei- system in our country, but it taught—deal. i'mi system in our country, but it- taught_deal. i'm very taught me a great deal. i'm very ierieneie— taught me a great deal. i'm very ierinneie i— taught me a great deal. i'm very fortunate i-chance- taught me a great deal. i'm very fortunate i chance to fortunate i had the chance to reek— fortunate i had the chance to ieek eiier— fortunate i had the chance to look after them— fortunate i had the chance to look after them their final look after them in their final iewe— look after them in their final dayse ieni— look after them in their final days, but.does_ look after them in their final days, but does really take a days, but it does really take a wneie— days, but it does really take a wneie ieniiw— days, but it does really take a whole family to _ days, but it does really take a whole family to look after someone you— whole family to look after someone you when

whole family to look after- someone you -when they're someone you know, when they're eiier. — someone you know, when they're eiier. .e— someone you know, when they're older. - a whole _ someone you know, when they're older. a whole health system older. and a whole health system inei— older. and a whole health system inei-ie— older. and a whole health system inei-ie geerei- older. and a whole health system that-be geared up- older. and a whole health system that be geared up to that needs to be geared up to reeiiw— that needs to be geared up to. reeiiw—nei really understand the needs, not just really understand the needs, not reei-eiier— really understand the needs, not just-older person,- really understand the needs, not just older person, but just of the older person, but eiee— just of the older person, but eiee ine— just of the older person, but also the families. 4:2. 2i: also the families. you're of neiien— also the families. you're of indian descent. have you ever experienced racism in your life ? ihave experienced racism in your life ? i have experienced racism in my— ? i have experienced racism in nw iire— ? i have experienced racism in nw iiie. vie— ? i have experienced racism in nw iiie. vie ee— ? i have experienced racism in my life. we are of— 7’ i have experienced racism in my life. we are of indian neriiege.— my life. we are of indian heritage, but— my life. we are of indian heritage, but i- my life. we are of indian heritage, but i was born in hammersmith_ heritage, but i was born in hammersmith and grew up in neeneiew— hammersmith and grew up in hounslow and_ hammersmith and grew up in hounslow and i'd look, there are some experiences— hounslow and i'd look, there are some experiences that i know young— some experiences that i know young pimple— some experiences that i know young people in_ some experiences that i know young people in my constituency are young people in my constituency eiiii— young people in my constituency are still facing— young people in my constituency are still facing .— young people in my constituency are still facing . this was when are still facing. this was when i are still facing. this was when i weeke— are still facing. this was when i wewi. wen— are still facing. this was when i would, you know, we would go iewn— i would, you know, we would go iewn ine— i would, you know, we would go down the local— i would, you know, we would go down the local high streets. i werki— down the local high streets. i wewi expeci— down the local high streets. i would expect as— down the local high streets. i would expect as a child to be someone would— would expect as a child to be someone would spit at us or eeneining— someone would spit at us or something would be thrown in our way something would be thrown in our wew er— something would be thrown in our wew er inere— something would be thrown in our way or there would— something would be thrown in our way or there would be some sort of way or there would be some sort ei cernrneni— way or there would be some sort ei cernrneni .— way or there would be some sort of comment . it— way or there would be some sort of comment . it happens at bus of comment. it happens at bus eiepe— of comment. it happens at bus eiepe .— of comment. it happens at bus eiepe . ii— of comment. it happens at bus stops. it happens— of comment. it happens at bus stops. it happens sometimes in ecneei— stops. it happens sometimes in ecneei eni— stops. it happens sometimes in ecneei eni wen— stops. it happens sometimes in school and you know, it just, i inink— school and you know, it just, i that, neie— school and you know, it just, i think, made us— school and you know, it just, i think, made us as— school and you know, it just, i think, made us as a family , just think, made us as a family, just be e— think, made us as a family, just be e iiiiie— think, made us as a family, just be a little bit— think, made us as a family, just be a little bit more— think, made us as a family, just be a little bit more insular. ken— be a little bit more insular. ken knew.— be a little bit more insular. ken knew. nw— be a little bit more insular. you know, my parents weren't so cenierieiie— you know, my parents weren't so comfortable with— you know, my parents weren't so comfortable with us going out eni— comfortable with us going out eni knewing— comfortable with us going out and knowing where we were going and knowing where we were going eni ineee— and knowing where we were going eni ineee eerie— and knowing where we were going and those sorts of— and knowing where we were going and those sorts of things. and

ieni— and those sorts of things. and ini ii— and those sorts of things. and ini ii eni— and those sorts of things. and but it and then— and those sorts of things. and but it and then when you get eiier— but it and then when you get eiier. wen— but it and then when you get older, you know— but it and then when you get older, you know ,_ but it and then when you get older, you know , it's still older, you know, it's still inere— older, you know, it's still inere in— older, you know, it's still there in different ways. when i got there in different ways. when i gei eieciei— there in different ways. when i gei eieciei in— there in different ways. when i got elected in my— there in different ways. when i got elected in my by—election in at got elected in my by—election in ei ine— got elected in my by—election in ei ine eni— got elected in my by—election in ei ine eni ei— got elected in my by—election in at the end of 2011,— got elected in my by—election in at the end of 2011, the bnp eieei— at the end of 2011, the bnp eieei e— at the end of 2011, the bnp stood a candidate and they had a big stood a candidate and they had a pig ienw— stood a candidate and they had a pig ierrw en— stood a candidate and they had a big lorry on feltham high street wnere— big lorry on feltham high street wnere inew— big lorry on feltham high street where they bled— big lorry on feltham high street where they bled out not to vote for where they bled out not to vote ier seeme— where they bled out not to vote for seema because— where they bled out not to vote for seema because she's got two peeeperie— for seema because she's got two peeeperie new— for seema because she's got two passports now i've— for seema because she's got two passports now i've only ever had peeeperi— passports now i've only ever had peeepen eni— passports now i've only ever had one passport and it's british eni— one passport and it's british eni i— one passport and it's british eni i wee— one passport and it's british and i was born— one passport and it's british and i was born in hammersmith neepiiei— and i was born in hammersmith neepiiei .— and i was born in hammersmith neepiiei . eni— and i was born in hammersmith hospital . but what can you do on hospital. but what can you do on eieciien— hospital. but what can you do on eieciien pew— hospital. but what can you do on election day when— hospital. but what can you do on election day when you have you knew.— election day when you have you knew. encn— election day when you have you know, such hostility and nnirnine— know, such hostility and untruths ?_ know, such hostility and untruths ? you know, on the one untruths? you know, on the one nene.— untruths? you know, on the one neni. wen— untruths? you know, on the one neni. wen knew.— untruths? you know, on the one hand, you know, i— untruths? you know, on the one hand, you know, i was really engrw— hand, you know, i was really engrw epeni— hand, you know, i was really engrw epeni ii— hand, you know, i was really engrw epeni ii .— hand, you know, i was really angry about it . on the other angry about it. on the other nene.— angry about it. on the other neni. wen— angry about it. on the other hand, you know,— angry about it. on the other hand, you know, as someone said to hand, you know, as someone said ie ne— hand, you know, as someone said ie ne en— hand, you know, as someone said ie ne en ine— hand, you know, as someone said ie ne en ine day— hand, you know, as someone said to me on the day, well, at least you— to me on the day, well, at least wen ceni— to me on the day, well, at least wen cen-i peer— to me on the day, well, at least you can't hear half— to me on the day, well, at least you can't hear half of what inew-re— you can't hear half of what inew-re eewing.— you can't hear half of what they're saying. but all they can all they're saying. but all they can eii eii— they're saying. but all they can eii eii eii— they're saying. but all they can all all all they— they're saying. but all they can all all all they can hear, all peepie— all all all they can hear, all peepie cen— all all all they can hear, all people can hear— all all all they can hear, all people can hear is your name. so you— people can hear is your name. so wen—ii— people can hear is your name. so you—it contributed| you know, whether it contributed to you know, whether it contributed ie-geiiing — you know, whether it contributed to getting majority, to me getting a bigger majority, i to me getting a bigger majority, i-iiee.— to me getting a bigger majority, i-iiee. eni— to me getting a bigger majority, i-iiee. pni ii— to me getting a bigger majority, i-idea. but it is,- to me getting a bigger majority, i idea. but it is, you i have no idea. but it is, you knew.— i have no idea. but it is, you know,.different_ i have no idea. but it is, you know, different ways in know, in different ways in my ceeewerk-i-n— know, in different ways in my casework i'm still casework that i'm also still eeeing— casework that i'm also still seeing racism _ casework that i'm also still seeing racism appearing, whether it's seeing racism appearing, whether ii-elenpiewneni— it's in employment related issues or hostility issues or crime or hostility peiween— issues or crime or hostilityi between _ racism issues or crime or hostility- between_racism is between neighbours, racism is verw— between neighbours, racism is verw cieer— between neighbours, racism is verw cieer eni— between neighbours, racism is very clear and apparent in so

nenw— very clear and apparent in so many different— very clear and apparent in so many different ways in our eecieiw— many different ways in our eecieiw .— many different ways in our eecieiw . eni— many different ways in our society , and we- many different ways in our society , and we need a zero society, and we need a zero ieierence— society, and we need a zero ieierence ie— society, and we need a zero tolerance to it.— society, and we need a zero tolerance to it. now 329227“ society, and we need a zero tolerance to it. now 392: society, and we need a zero tolerance to it. now 3922 tolerance to it. now when i was geing— tolerance to it. now when i was doing my research, started looking online and i found out that you share a name with somebody who was in the real housewives of cheshire has only been ever been any embarrassing moments . anybody ever confused moments. anybody ever confused you with her? well, it's been neeiiw— you with her? well, it's been neeiiw en— you with her? well, it's been mostly on twitter— 2;27 well, it's been mostly on twitter where occasionally— mostly on twitter where occasionally i- mostly on twitter where occasionally i get tweets saying new— occasionally i get tweets saying new greei— occasionally i get tweets saying new greei ene— occasionally i get tweets saying how great she looks and look, i'll how great she looks and look, in ieieiiw— how great she looks and look, i'll totally take— how great she looks and look, i'll totally take that one. and inei— i'll totally take that one. and inei ie— i'll totally take that one. and tnei ie eew— i'll totally take that one. and just to say that— i'll totally take that one. and just to say that i've never met herr— just to say that i've never met ner. pni— just to say that i've never met ner. pni i-ve— just to say that i've never met her, but i've always wanted to. eriinne— her, but i've always wanted to. brilliant. seema— her, but i've always wanted to. brilliant. seema malhotra- her, but i've always wanted to. brilliant. seema malhotra .- her, but i've always wanted to. brilliant. seema malhotra . a brilliant. seema malhotra. a pleasure. thank you. lovely to join you . thanks for watching. join you. thanks for watching. back next sunday at six for gloria meets well . hello there. gloria meets well. hello there. i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to wew— i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to wenr ieieei— i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to wew ieieei 99— i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news— i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather. peeking— your latest gb news weather. peeking ei— your latest gb news weather. looking at the— your latest gb news weather. looking at the week ahead , we'll looking at the week ahead, we'll see rain or showers— looking at the week ahead, we'll see rain or showers at times , see rain or showers at times, pni— see rain or showers at times, pni inee— see rain or showers at times, but there will— see rain or showers at times, but there will be— see rain or showers at times, but there will be some sunshine, penicnieriw—

but there will be some sunshine, particularly towards the end of the particularly towards the end of ine week— particularly towards the end of ine week eni— particularly towards the end of the week and temperatures will eieri— the week and temperatures will eieri-ee— the week and temperatures will eieri-ee weir— the week and temperatures will eieri-ee weii .- the week and temperatures will start-as well . we- the week and temperatures will start as well . we can start to rise as well. we can eee-niceiw— start to rise as well. we can eee-niceiw en- start to rise as well. we can see-nicely on the- start to rise as well. we can see nicely on the bigger see that nicely on the bigger picinre— see that nicely on the bigger picinre. gniie— see that nicely on the bigger picture, quite unsettled at the rnerneni— picture, quite unsettled at the moment,-packed- picture, quite unsettled at the moment, packed isobars moment, tightly packed isobars iniiceiing— moment, tightly packed isobars indicating quite— moment, tightly packed isobars indicating quite a— moment, tightly packed isobars indicating quite a brisk wind at iinee— indicating quite a brisk wind at iinee .— indicating quite a brisk wind at iinee . ani— indicating quite a brisk wind at iinee . ani wen— indicating quite a brisk wind at times . and you see outbreaks times. and you can see outbreaks of times. and you can see outbreaks ei-pni— times. and you can see outbreaks ei-pni ee— times. and you can see outbreaks ei-pni ee we— times. and you can see outbreaks of but as we towards of rain. but as we move towards the of rain. but as we move towards ine-ei— of rain. but as we move towards ine-ei ine— of rain. but as we move towards the-of the week,— of rain. but as we move towards the-of the week, it- of rain. but as we move towards the of the week, it should the end of the week, it should eeiiie— the end of the week, it should eeiiie iewn— the end of the week, it should settle down a— the end of the week, it should settle down a little. so back to snniew—we- settle down a little. so back to. sunday—we continue sunday evening and we continue to sunday evening and we continue ieecreee— ine- to have showers across the nerinern— to have showers across the nerinern-ei— to have showers across the northern .of the - to have showers across the- northern .of the - plenty northern half of the uk. plenty of northern half of the uk. plenty ei-epeiie— northern half of the uk. plenty of spells overnight , of clear spells overnight, inriner— of clear spells overnight, further-and- of clear spells overnight, further and east, perhaps further south and east, perhaps ienger— further south and east, perhaps some longer spells of rain as weir— some longer spells of rain as well-northern- some longer spells of rain as well northern parts of well across northern parts of sceiieni— well across northern parts of eceiieni .— well across northern parts of scotland . and— well across northern parts of scotland . and generally scotland. and generally temperatures, towns and cities, iew— temperatures, towns and cities, iew eenpie— temperatures, towns and cities, low double figures , perhaps just low double figures, perhaps just a low double figures, perhaps just eiew— low double figures, perhaps just eiew epeie— low double figures, perhaps just eiew epeie in— low double figures, perhaps just a few spots in the— low double figures, perhaps just a few spots in the countryside dipping— a few spots in the countryside iipping inie— a few spots in the countryside dipping into single figures. but it dipping into single figures. but ii-gniie— dipping into single figures. but ii-gniie e— dipping into single figures. but it-quite a bright- dipping into single figures. but it quite a bright start it means quite a bright start for it means quite a bright start ier iieniew— it means quite a bright start for monday morning. yes, inee-ii— for monday morning. yes, there'll be— for monday morning. yes, there'll be from for monday morning. yes,- there'll be -from the there'll be showers from the were— there'll be showers from the werecreeile— there'll be showers from the word across western areas. word 90 across western areas. sene— word 90 across western areas. senelineee— word go across western areas. some these turning some of these turning quite neevw— some of these turning quite neevwlwe— some of these turning quite heavy we through the heavy as we move through the new —ienger- heavy as we move through the. day. _longer spells day. perhaps some longer spells of day. perhaps some longer spells ei—nerinern- day. perhaps some longer spells of_northern parts- day. perhaps some longer spells of northern parts of of rain across northern parts of vveiee— of rain across northern parts of wales-northern— of rain across northern parts of wales northern england . at wales into northern england. at the wales into northern england. at ine—inie— wales into northern england. at the—this band- wales into northern england. ati the—this band-rain the same time, this band of rain ceninneei— the same time, this band of rain continues-sink- continues to slowly sink southwards _ continues to slowly sink southwards across northern sceiieni.— southwards across northern scotland. quite— southwards across northern scotland. quite a breezy day, gneie— scotland. quite a breezy day, gneie ei— scotland. quite a breezy day, gneie ei 99— scotland. quite a breezy day, gusts of 30 miles an hour or so. so gusts of 30 miles an hour or so. se ii— gusts of 30 miles an hour or so. se ii wiri— gusts of 30 miles an hour or so. so it will feel— gusts of 30 miles an hour or so. so it will feel quite— gusts of 30 miles an hour or so. so it will feel quite cool in eni— so it will feel quite cool in eni erenni— so it will feel quite cool in and around showers, top

temperatures— and around showers, top temperatures into and around showers, top- temperatures-into the temperatures getting into the low temperatures getting into the iew 99e— temperatures getting into the low 20s across— temperatures getting into the low 20s across the southeast by iieniew— low 20s across the southeast by iieniew evening.— low 20s across the southeast by monday evening. we continue to see showers across— monday evening. we continue to see showers across the southern neii— see showers across the southern neii ei— see showers across the southern neii ei ine— see showers across the southern half of the uk.— see showers across the southern half of the uk. some of these neevw— half of the uk. some of these neevw ei— half of the uk. some of these heavy at times— half of the uk. some of these heavy at times that band of rain eiiii— heavy at times that band of rain eiiii eiewiw— heavy at times that band of rain still slowly pushing way still slowly pushing its way southwards— still slowly pushing its way southwards scotland and southwards across scotland and inen— southwards across scotland and then overnight— southwards across scotland and then overnight into tuesday nerning— then overnight into tuesday nerning .— then overnight into tuesday nerning . e— then overnight into tuesday morning , a more persistent spell morning, a more persistent spell of morning, a more persistent spell ei rein— morning, a more persistent spell ei ecreee— morning, a more persistent spell of rain across southern counties of rain across southern counties ei ingieni— of rain across southern counties ei ingieni eni— of rain across southern counties of england and wales. here, temperatures— of england and wales. here, temperatures around 13 or 14 iegreee— temperatures around 13 or 14 degrees, under— temperatures around 13 or 14 degrees, under clear skies inriner— degrees, under clear skies further north,— degrees, under clear skies further north, perhaps dipping into further north, perhaps dipping inie eingie— further north, perhaps dipping into single figures. so a wet eieri— into single figures. so a wet eieri ecreee— into single figures. so a wet start across southern counties of start across southern counties ei ine— start across southern counties ei ine 9k— start across southern counties of the uk tuesday morning. this rein— of the uk tuesday morning. this eiipe— of the uk tuesday morning. this eiipe ewew— of the uk tuesday morning. this rain slips away and then genereiiw— rain slips away and then generally it's— rain slips away and then generally it's a day of sunshine eni— generally it's a day of sunshine eni eeweren— generally it's a day of sunshine and showers across the whole of

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