to drop her unless my threatened to drop her unless my stayed— threatened to drop her unless my stayed in— threatened to drop her unless my mum stayed in that relationship. former— mum stayed in that relationship. former conservative— mum stayed in that relationship. former conservative cabinet- former conservative cabinet minister george eustice. i do think there is such a " cog; bf i do think there is such a thing as " c: cr i do think there is such a thing as a maternal— think there is such a thing as a maternal instinct— think there is such a thing as a maternal instinct and i think it's maternal instinct and i think n-s wrong— maternal instinct and i think n-s wrong to— maternal instinct and i think it's wrong to deny it. shadow business— it's wrong to deny it. shadow business minister labour's seema mamma- — business minister labour's seema malhotra. consumers— business minister labour's seema malhotra. g malhotra. consumers are paying a lot more than they should for goods because of these fake reviews, but also subscription traps. well, that's after . news traps. well, that's after. news rm — traps. well, that's after. news rm rhiannon— traps. well, that's after. news i'm rhiannon jones. here are your top stories from the gb news newsroom. the grandmother of a boy killed by police in paris during a traffic stop is urging protesters to end the riots . the french government is riots. the french government is holding crisis talks this evening to address the civil unrest after a fifth night of violence . nahel marzouk's violence. nahel marzouk's grandmother says rioters are using his death as an excuse to cause havoc . the family has cause havoc. the family has called for calm . the city's called for calm. the city's regional president, valery pecresse, says she's confident

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morning. and every every myers in france— morning. and every every myers in france wants— morning. and every every myers in france wants that the state ene— in france wants that the state and emmanuel— in france wants that the state and emmanuel macron take take more more , more measures to stop more more, more measures to stop the more more, more measures to stop nne eneee— more more, more measures to stop nne eneee. — more more, more measures to stop nne eneee. ine— more more, more measures to stop the chaos . two people- more more, more measures to stop the chaos. two people have been killed in a mass shooting in the us state of maryland. police say up to 30 people suffered gunshot wounds. three are in a critical condition . the attack happened condition. the attack happened in the city of baltimore where people had gathered for an event called brooklyn day . the suspect called brooklyn day. the suspect or suspects , are reportedly or suspects, are reportedly still at large . the us president still at large. the us president will meet king charles and the prime minister when he visits the uk next week. buckingham palace has confirmed joe biden will visit windsor castle on the 10th of july. the white house says he's travelling to london to strengthen the close relationship between the nations. he'll then head to lithuania for the nato summit before going to finland . new before going to finland. new measures to deal with disruptive demonstrations have come into

force . they include expanded force. they include expanded police powers to move on static or slow walking protests like those used by just stop oil a criminal offence to tackle disruption in tunnels has also been introduced , carrying jail been introduced, carrying jail terms of up to three years. critics say the laws threaten the right to protest . at the right to protest. at meanwhile , all five just stop meanwhile, all five just stop oil activists have been charged with behaviour likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress . harassment, alarm or distress. yes, they were arrested for disrupting london's pride march yesterday . tv online gab disrupting london's pride march yesterday. tv online gab plus radio and on tune in this is gb news. now it's time for gloria meets . meets. so gloria, thanks for coming in and talking about don't do that . that's alarming.

don't do that. that's alarming. it's don't do that. that's alarming. we made— don't do that. that's alarming. we made me— don't do that. that's alarming. it's made me very— jn:n�* l 3: that's alarming. it's made me very emotionally eon— it's made me very emotionally son on— it's made me very emotionally sort of concerned. _ it's made me very emotionally sort of concerned. tell me about nnen— sort of concerned. tell me about nnen yen— sort of concerned. tell me about what you thought— sort of concerned. tell me about what you thought of the book. inn— what you thought of the book. inn n— what you thought of the book. inn n e— what you thought of the book. this is a great— what you thought of the book. this is a great book. should i enem— this is a great book. should i enene ven— this is a great book. should i start? yeah. good— this is a great book. should i start? yeah. good shadow health secretary— start? yeah. good shadow health secretary labour's— start? yeah. good shadow health secretary labour's wes streeting . were— secretary labour's wes streeting . we're recording— secretary labour's wes streeting . we're recording on the innneeey— . we're recording on the innneeey .— . we're recording on the thursday . it's- . we're recording on the thursday . it's going . we're recording on the thursday. it's going out on sunny,— thursday. it's going out on sunny, nun— thursday. it's going out on sunday, but it's- thursday. it's going out on sunday, but it's the evening of your— sunday, but it's the evening of your book— sunday, but it's the evening of your book launch.— sunday, but it's the evening of your book launch. we're here at your— your book launch. we're here at your ore— your book launch. we're here at your old school.— your book launch. we're here at your old school. it's a great book.— your old school. it's a great book. rnonk— your old school. it's a great book. thank you. - your old school. it's a great book. thank you. really enjoyed it. book. thank you. really enjoyed in -norn— book. thank you. really enjoyed rr. -norn ro— book. thank you. really enjoyed it. -born to teenage. it. so you're born to teenage norenree— it. so you're born to teenage porenree vee— it. so you're born to teenage parents? yes. you— it. so you're born to teenage parents? yes. you grew up on a corner— parents? yes. you grew up on a council estate.— parents? yes. you grew up on a council estate. you— parents? yes. you grew up on a council estate. you experienced poveny— council estate. you experienced poyeny .— council estate. you experienced poyeny . vou— council estate. you experienced poyeny . you noo— council estate. you experienced poverty . you had grandparents in poverty. you had grandparents in prison— poverty. you had grandparents in prison .— poverty. you had grandparents in prison . ano— poverty. you had grandparents in prison . and that— poverty. you had grandparents in prison . and that is— poverty. you had grandparents in prison . and that is a hell of a prison. and that is a hell of a non— prison. and that is a hell of a non vor— prison. and that is a hell of a list. you make— prison. and that is a hell of a list. you make it— prison. and that is a hell of a list. you make it to cambridge unvererry— list. you make it to cambridge university and— list. you make it to cambridge university and you're a very senior politics— university and you're a very senior politics now. do you enu— senior politics now. do you our rnrnk— senior politics now. do you still think of— senior politics now. do you still think of yourself as working— still think of yourself as working class? “in; working class? yes, to an extent. i'm very proud of my background. i think i always describe myself as having a working class background, but i'm under no illusion, not least because there are a lot of my family whose lives are better off than they were in in the in the early years described in the

book, but still struggle to get by. i'm not going to pretend that being a member of parliament on the salary that i earn with the level of security that i have for the first time in my life , that my life is the in my life, that my life is the same as it was then or that i have the same challenges as, say , my mum who works as a cleaner . there are lots of people in my family like my dad, who've managed to work hard, get on the housing ladder and sort of work their way up. who, you my their way up. who, you know, my dad would say , i think dad would still say, i think he's working class. i don't think your class leaves you think your class ever leaves you in way. and i'm proud in the way. and i'm very proud of my even though, as i of my roots, even though, as i often say in terms of my work as a politician in i don't want kids to up experiencing the kids to grow up experiencing the same sort of poverty and hardships that experienced hardships that i experienced growing mum and growing up. certainly my mum and her the family her side of the family experience up , you know, experience growing up, you know, that's one of the reasons why i'm in politics, because i want to make sure that from to make sure that kids from backgrounds like have the backgrounds like mine have the same choices and same chances and choices and opportunities and security that

ihave opportunities and security that i have now . we both had the i have now. we both had the epeene— i have now. we both had the experience of— i have now. we both had the experience of being- we both had the experience of being on free eenoor— experience of being on free eenoor neare— experience of being on free school meals ._ experience of being on free school meals. i— experience of being on free school meals. i remember having to school meals. i remember having ro prono— school meals. i remember having ro erono p..— school meals. i remember having ro erono in o— school meals. i remember having to stand in a different at eenoor— to stand in a different at school queue— to stand in a different at school queue because i was a nee— school queue because i was a free eenoor— school queue because i was a free school meal— school queue because i was a free school meal kid and i it was humiliating.— free school meal kid and i it was humiliating. i don't know if you nove— was humiliating. i don't know if you noye ony— was humiliating. i don't know if you noye any or— was humiliating. i don't know if you have any of those stories. vern— you have any of those stories. venn. very— you have any of those stories. veon, very neon— you have any of those stories. yeah, very much so.— you have any of those stories. yeah, very much so. i- you have any of those stories. yeah, very much so. i mean exactly the same in primary school. it was, it was a leveller. so mums , mums and dads leveller. so mums, mums and dads would hand in the dinner money at the reception on the monday morning. those of us who didn't have kyiv to pay and we got free school meals, you wouldn't tell the difference. no one knew who was in and out of the office and when you went into the school hall, you all got your dinners together . when i hall, you all got your dinners together. when i came to this school, the big for was school, the big shock for me was big long queue to get into the school hall. and then once you get there, i was put into a different queue and it was straight away. i thought, oh my god, in poor kids queue god, i'm in the poor kids queue basically . when you're basically. and when you're trying in and make new trying to fit in and make new friends and think about first

impressions, i just felt like i was standing under these massive flashing neon lights saying, hello, we're the poor kids and that that stigma hasn't i still l, that that stigma hasn't i still i, i feel it viscerally. and in fact , the irony of this book in fact, the irony of this book in a way , is that. fact, the irony of this book in a way , is that . the sort of 12, a way, is that. the sort of 12, 13 year old me here at this school would never have wanted to tell any of these stories. and it has taken me about 30 years to be in a position where i can i feel able to share this story . and i must say it's the story. and i must say it's the most terrifying thing i've done in my life, because as politicians, you're not supposed to show vulnerability . um, you to show vulnerability. um, you know, i'm very protective of my family and as people will find when they read it, this is not just my story. in fact, it's very much my parents story. my grandparents story. it's warts and all. and there are lots of painful family stories in there. and while done it with and while i've done it with their permission , their their permission, their blessing, written blessing, i couldn't written this their full

this book without their full support. have support. and i wouldn't have written without full written it without their full support. still nervous support. i'm still nervous because when people pick up books and they talk about characters , these are real characters, these are real people and so i feel, yes, i'm very excited, but very nervous about sharing some of these stories. your mum and dad split up onen— stories. your mum and dad split up nnen yon— stories. your mum and dad split up nnen yon ere— stories. your mum and dad split up when you were a— your mum and dad split up when you were a baby. when yore— up when you were a baby. when yore propr— up when you were a baby. when you're about two _ up when you were a baby. when you're about two years old, she pere— you're about two years old, she pere roperner— you're about two years old, she gets together with— you're about two years old, she gets together with a man called lenny— gets together with a man called renny .— gets together with a man called renny . r— gets together with a man called renny . r repo— gets together with a man called lenny . i read the— gets together with a man called lenny . i read the book. he is lenny. i read the book. he is a yioienp— lenny. i read the book. he is a violent, controlling brute. your wore-o— violent, controlling brute. your wore-o wnen— violent, controlling brute. your words. when she— violent, controlling brute. your words. when she broke up with him— words. when she broke up with nrn, ne— words. when she broke up with nrn, ne nerd— words. when she broke up with him, he held her— words. when she broke up with him, he held her hostage for 24 nonre— him, he held her hostage for 24 nonre eno— him, he held her hostage for 24 hours and ended— him, he held her hostage for 24 hours and ended up in prison for oner— hours and ended up in prison for no ne— hours and ended up in prison for no ne rio— hours and ended up in prison for what he did to— hours and ended up in prison for what he did to your— hours and ended up in prison for what he did to your mum nearly 40 what he did to your mum nearly no yeore— what he did to your mum nearly no yeore peo— what he did to your mum nearly no yeore ego .— what he did to your mum nearly 40 years ago . there'll be women 40 years ago. there'll be women not— 40 years ago. there'll be women not 90— 40 years ago. there'll be women not go rnronen— 40 years ago. there'll be women that go through that same epeene— that go through that same experience now. men are still peering— experience now. men are still peering up— experience now. men are still beating up their— experience now. men are still beating up their wives and opponents— beating up their wives and girlfriends ,_ beating up their wives and girlfriends , murdering them in girlfriends, murdering them in some cases. you— girlfriends, murdering them in some cases. you were very, very some cases. you were very, very young.— some cases. you were very, very yonne. nur— some cases. you were very, very yonnp. on r— some cases. you were very, very yonnp. on r iner— some cases. you were very, very young. but i just wondered if not— young. but i just wondered if that experience— young. but i just wondered if that experience had taught you onyrnrne— that experience had taught you onyrnrnp oponr— that experience had taught you anything about how we deal with that anything about how we deal with nor eon— anything about how we deal with not not or— anything about how we deal with not not or r— anything about how we deal with that sort of i don't— anything about how we deal with that sort of i don't know if you oeu— that sort of i don't know if you can it— that sort of i don't know if you can call it masculinity. yeah i

oennrrery— can call it masculinity. yeah i definitely want— can call it masculinity. yeah i definitely want to _ can call it masculinity. yeah i definitely want to call it masculinity. - definitely want to call it masculinity. i that was one of there were a few things in the book that i found very hard to write about , as book that i found very hard to write about, as in this case as a son. in other cases, as a grandson, i, i mean, i don't remember any of it because i was too young as i was writing about it. the main thing i just thought was how incredibly courageous my mum must have been , because now you look at the statistics . most men who hit statistics. most men who hit women beat women, rape women don't even see the inside of a courtroom , let alone the inside courtroom, let alone the inside of a prison cell. so for my courtroom, let alone the inside of a prison cell . so for my mum of a prison cell. so for my mum to have escaped that controlling relationship had the courage to go to the police to see it through to the court with her younger sister, i think was barely a teenager and at one point he he had had such a control all that he had taken my mum's younger sister dangled her over a balcony by her ankles and threatened to drop her unless my

mum stayed in that relationship . so when you have that sort of threat, not just to yourself but to the people you love hanging over i cannot imagine what over you, i cannot imagine what my gone through my mum must have gone through and was one of the times in and it was one of the times in my where my mum actually my life where my mum actually handed my dad and his handed me over to my dad and his dad, grandad, because , you dad, my grandad, because, you know, although no harm did come to worried that it to me, she was worried that it would . and i imagine what would. and i cannot imagine what she have been she would have been going through courage through in the courage she showed. honestly showed. and, you know, honestly , she, 40 years later, she is the criminal justice system in a much better place . us. i can't much better place. us. i can't honestly say that it is. and i think we've got to do two things. one is tough open up the criminal justice system . so criminal justice system. so whether it's in the course of the police investigation or the process that women go through to see a case through to prosecution, the speed at which it through to see through it goes through to see through a prosecution, we've to make prosecution, we've got to make improvement but frankly, improvement there. but frankly, when comes to violence when it comes to violence against girls , this against women and girls, this isn't a problem for women to solve. for us to solve. it's a problem for us to solve. it's a problem for us to solve men. and that starts solve as men. and that starts

with boys and even in my own borough today, i astonished borough today, i am astonished at stories that primary and at the stories that primary and secondary school girls tell me about the catcalling, the wolf whistling , the unwarranted whistling, the unwarranted touching that takes place . and touching that takes place. and it's got to start there. and this is cultural. it's systemic. it's hard, but it's our responsibility to fix. right . responsibility to fix. right. your granddad,_ c can ”x right. your granddad, working class roy— your granddad, working class rory, your— your granddad, working class rory, your one. — your granddad, working class tory, your dad. working class. rory— tory, your dad. working class. rory worked— tory, your dad. working class. tory worked all— tory, your dad. working class. tory worked all the life. pride puden— tory worked all the life. pride prided themselves on never renne— prided themselves on never tonne o— prided themselves on never tonne o penny— prided themselves on never taking a penny in benefits. so enu— taking a penny in benefits. so out o— taking a penny in benefits. so still a common— taking a penny in benefits. so still a common view today. taking a penny in benefits. so still a common view today . lots still a common view today. lots of working— still a common view today. lots of working class— still a common view today. lots of working class people still rnrnk— of working class people still think labour— of working class people still think labour is— of working class people still think labour is all about teneme— think labour is all about benefits rather than work . loads benefits rather than work. loads of benefits rather than work. loads or graduate— benefits rather than work. loads of graduates vote.— benefits rather than work. loads of graduates vote. labour lots of graduates vote. labour lots or working— of graduates vote. labour lots of working class— of graduates vote. labour lots of working class people vote rory— of working class people vote rory oo— of working class people vote toy to you— of working class people vote tory do you understand working erase— tory do you understand working class tories? _ tory do you understand working class tories? f heine?" class tories? because yeah, because i grew up with them and i'm not sure what's a bigger disappointment to my dad that i ended up being a labour mp or supporting my dad is a supporting arsenal. my dad is a you know, actually he's gone off the tour. he's a actually i the tour. he's a bit actually i think lots of tories have. think like lots of tories have. i'm not sure he's going to

i'm not sure how he's going to vote next election, but vote at the next election, but really he's not happy really. so he's still, even so he's still, still even when he so he's still, still even when ne—rnr- so he's still, still even when he_mp actually. so he's still, still even when. he _ mp actually the he became an mp actually the onry— he became an mp actually the onry-ooo— he became an mp actually the onry-noo noe- he became an mp actually the only dad has voted only time my dad has voted renou— only time my dad has voted nonour noe— only time my dad has voted labour was for— only time my dad has voted labour was for me in a council erection— labour was for me in a council ereerron onen— labour was for me in a council election when i— labour was for me in a council election when i still lived lviv pp.....p..,,_ election when i still lived lviv elementary,-still. election when i still lived lviv. elementary,-still vote. elementary, he would still vote. i elementary, he would still vote. ronnn— elementary, he would still vote. r rnrnn r— elementary, he would still vote. ithink. i think— elementary, he would still vote. i think. i think he's— elementary, he would still vote. i think. i think he's voted- i think. i think he's voted green as a protest, so you'd have ask him. he's. it have to ask him. but he's. it does me a window though does give me a window though into why people i think into why people because i think labour the labour is fundamentally for the working class. we were established union established by the trade union movement, by the labour movement to voice representation to give a voice representation and a government for the majority , not just the majority, not just the privileged few . and over time privileged few. and over time erm we've lost a lot of working class support. i mean actually to be fair there has always been a chunk of working class voters who conservatives and who voted conservatives and i think, i think mrs. thatcher in particular had an appeal that spoke my granddad and my dad. spoke to my granddad and my dad. so i've always understood it and i've always understood the obstacles often stop people obstacles that often stop people voting labour. it's the same questions can we you with questions can we trust you with the can we trust you on the money? can we trust you on law order? can we trust you

law and order? can we trust you on national security? and labour has when we've had has always won when we've had leaders got us a place leaders who've got us to a place where answer to where the answer to those questions yes. i think questions is yes. and i think keir one of those keir will be one of those leaders. but there's always that difficulty. the benefits thing is because is really interesting because again, from both sides again, i see it from both sides . my granddad, my dad , very . my granddad, my dad, very proud of the fact that i've never claimed a penny in benefits. and i remember my benefits. and i remember when my dad as a publican dad left his job as a publican when worked all of the hours when he worked all of the hours he could on a building site dunng he could on a building site during the day, mini cabbing by night to make sure that because at the time i was living with my dad and he was a single dad to make sure that we had a roof over our head when i was growing up with especially living with my mum, that benefits system and that welfare safety net was vital. sometimes it put food in the fridge and money in the electric metre when we didn't have todayi electric metre when we didn't have today i think that have it. and today i think that there like my dad there are people like my dad going out to work all the hours they can every day who still don't they can every day who still dont enough they can every day who still don't enough money at the don't have enough money at the end the at the end of end of the month, at the end of the week, at the end of the day,

to make ends meet. something's gone wrong. we've broken the link a hard day's work link between a hard day's work and pay. and me and a fair day's pay. and for me , social security always , social security should always be that. a safety net be exactly that. a safety net and a springboard back to work. there will always be some people who genuinely can't work. and of course, those people should receive the income they need to live a decent but you live a decent life. but you know, the labour party is a party of it implies work party of labour. it implies work and know, proud of come from and you know, proud of come from and you know, proud of come from a working class family. and you know, proud of come from a working class family . okay. a working class family. okay. god, we're running out of time. rte— god, we're running out of time. it's absolutely— god, we're running out of time. it's absolutely fascinating. i puer— it's absolutely fascinating. i tuer nonr— it's absolutely fascinating. i tuer nonr ro— it's absolutely fascinating. i just want to get— it's absolutely fascinating. i just want to get rabbiting on. i puer— just want to get rabbiting on. i tuer nonr— just want to get rabbiting on. i tuer nonr ro— just want to get rabbiting on. i tuer wont to eer— just want to get rabbiting on. i just want to get a— just want to get rabbiting on. i just want to get a quick answer for you— just want to get a quick answer for you on— just want to get a quick answer for you on rhe— just want to get a quick answer for you on this. you know, when eonerrneer— for you on this. you know, when sometimes people— for you on this. you know, when sometimes people in the labour party,— sometimes people in the labour pony, rney— sometimes people in the labour pony, rney rney— sometimes people in the labour party, they they weather's never need — party, they they weather's never need lrory— party, they they weather's never kissed ltory hat. _ party, they they weather's never kissed tory hat. yeah i've kissed a tory hat. yeah i've worn one of never kiss the worn one of those never kiss the non— worn one of those never kiss the toy r—enrne.— worn one of those never kiss the toy r—enrnelr-n— worn one of those never kiss the tory t—shirts. i i'm - i'm - worn one of those never kiss the tory t—shirts. i'm just i'm not entirely sure it's true, but there'll be some tories at my, at my launch party. i've got friends in the tory party, got family who vote tory for me. politics is a is a battle of ideas, not not a battle of person cities and as much as

they drive me up the wall, i think there are lots of mps in the house of commons who are genuinely in it for the right reasons at a time when there's a lot of cynicism about us. it's worth saying that most politicians for the politicians are in it for the right reasons, even if the minority majority bad minority give the majority a bad name. okay you're a gay man. you realise this in adolescence you— you realise this in adolescence once you thought— you realise this in adolescence once you thought of it as a eereer— once you thought of it as a eereer rnor— once you thought of it as a secret that you _ once you thought of it as a secret that you couldn't tell nyone— secret that you couldn't tell nyone .— secret that you couldn't tell nyone . rnor— secret that you couldn't tell anyone . that changed when you anyone. that changed when you went— anyone. that changed when you went ro— anyone. that changed when you went to university. _ anyone. that changed when you went to university. you describe a went to university. you describe peene-— went to university. you describe o-eeneelenone- went to university. you describe a sense shame running a deep sense of shame running rnroupn— a deep sense of shame running through adolescent years. through your adolescent years. voue— through your adolescent years. voue o— through your adolescent years. you're a christian— through your adolescent years. you're a christian and you write rnor— you're a christian and you write not you— you're a christian and you write that you feared _ you're a christian and you write that you feared going to hell. rent— that you feared going to hell. ren-r rnere— that you feared going to hell. isn't there something wrong with a isn't there something wrong with o religion— isn't there something wrong with o reupron rnor— isn't there something wrong with a religion that made you feel one— a religion that made you feel the non — a religion that made you feel like that? well— a religion that made you feel like that? well ,_ a religion that made you feel like that? epic: a religion that made you feel like that? well, that's a that's a deep question . how am i going a deep question. how am i going to answer this quickly? i think it took me a long— to answer this quickly? i think it took me a long time- 2 cage? i think it took me a long time to reeonerer— it took me a long time to reconcile those- it took me a long time to reconcile those two things. and i reconcile those two things. and r on— reconcile those two things. and r on no— reconcile those two things. and r on or— reconcile those two things. and i am now at peace— reconcile those two things. and i am now at peace with being a gay— i am now at peace with being a any cnnerron— i am now at peace with being a gay christian man.— i am now at peace with being a gay christian man. and i genuinely— gay christian man. and i genuinely think that i am the way— genuinely think that i am the way not— genuinely think that i am the way no r— genuinely think that i am the way that i was— genuinely think that i am the way that i was made in this question— way that i was made in this question or— way that i was made in this question of choice. i spent many years— question of choice. i spent many yeore enooerne— question of choice. i spent many years choosing not— question of choice. i spent many years choosing not to be gay and

desperately— years choosing not to be gay and desperately trying— years choosing not to be gay and desperately trying not to be gay and n— desperately trying not to be gay and n tr— desperately trying not to be gay and n n noe— desperately trying not to be gay and it it was it— desperately trying not to be gay and it it was it was painful . and it it was it was painful. ano— and it it was it was painful. nno tr— and it it was it was painful. and it noe— and it it was it was painful. and it was only— and it it was it was painful. and it was only when i came out, i and it was only when i came out, r reu— and it was only when i came out, r en rne— and it was only when i came out, i felt this feeling— and it was only when i came out, i felt this feeling of— and it was only when i came out, i felt this feeling of enormous uperorron — i felt this feeling of enormous liberation, like— i felt this feeling of enormous liberation, like the weight of the liberation, like the weight of no none — liberation, like the weight of the world had— liberation, like the weight of the world had lifted off my enouroere — the world had lifted off my shoulders. and _ the world had lifted off my shoulders. and finally recognised— shoulders. and finally recognised the person looking nook— recognised the person looking nook-rne— recognised the person looking back-the mirror.- recognised the person looking. back-the mirror.-it back at me in the mirror. and it rne— back at me in the mirror. and it rnre-toyrur- back at me in the mirror. and it was this joyful feeling. was this happy, joyful feeling. ano— was this happy, joyful feeling. ana-nought,- was this happy, joyful feeling. and thought, this who and i just thought, this is who i and i just thought, this is who r-rnre— and i just thought, this is who r-rnre re— and i just thought, this is who r-rnre to non— and i just thought, this is who i-this is how i've- and i just thought, this is who i this is how i've been i am. this is how i've been none.— i am. this is how i've been none. ano— i am. this is how i've been made. and country where made. and in a country where nee ro— made. and in a country where we're free to disagree and perreve— we're free to disagree and believe different things and in a believe different things and in oeoneeneo— believe different things and in a concerted agency that i represent— a concerted agency that i represent that's very religious a concerted agency that i represthereiat's very religious a concerted agency that i represthereiat'slotsi religious a concerted agency that i represthereiat'slotsi repeople , yes, there are lots of people nno— , yes, there are lots of people nno-nnor— , yes, there are lots of people nno-nnor r— , yes, there are lots of people who-what i would- , yes, there are lots of people who what i would describe who hold what i would describe aslmainstream _ who hold what i would describe as mainstream orthodox view as a mainstream orthodox view rnor—ernrurl that homosexuality is sinful. ano— that homosexuality is sinful. ann-ornat— that homosexuality is sinful. and what makes life and that's what makes life announ— and that's what makes life difficult-of- and that's what makes lifei difficult-of.who difficult for those of us who are religious— difficult for those of us who are religious gay. but are religious and gay. but i nove— are religious and gay. but i nove r— are religious and gay. but i nove r on— are religious and gay. but i have i am reconciled theologically that we're made in eon-e— theologically that we're made in one inope— theologically that we're made in one image. r— theologically that we're made in god's image. i think that to be gay— god's image. i think that to be any one— god's image. i think that to be gay and christian— god's image. i think that to be gay and christian is not contradictory- gay and christian is not contradictory . and the thing i contradictory. and the thing i ino— contradictory. and the thing i one entry— contradictory. and the thing i find really sad— contradictory. and the thing i find really sad is— contradictory. and the thing i find really sad is that a lot of peopte— find really sad is that a lot of people onen— find really sad is that a lot of people, when they think of retreron— people, when they think of religion, think— people, when they think of religion, think bigotry, exclude ruueron. — religion, think bigotry, exclude illusion. you— religion, think bigotry, exclude illusion. you know, you're not neeornre— illusion. you know, you're not weeornre nee.— illusion. you know, you're not welcome here. and certainly in the welcome here. and certainly in no one— welcome here. and certainly in no or— welcome here. and certainly in no or my— welcome here. and certainly in the case of my religion, but i rnrnk— the case of my religion, but i rnrnk n— the case of my religion, but i think it applies— the case of my religion, but i think it applies to others. i rnrnk— think it applies to others. i rnrnk rne— think it applies to others. i think the message of christianity- think the message of christianity is about love,

loving— christianity is about love, tone your— christianity is about love, loving your neighbour or ernnnrnp— loving your neighbour or ernnnrnp up— loving your neighbour or standing up for against int-unnee— standing up for against injustice and, you know, not nnrnnp— injustice and, you know, not nnrnnp py— injustice and, you know, not nnrnnp by on— injustice and, you know, not walking by on the other side. ann— walking by on the other side. and onen— walking by on the other side. and nnen r— walking by on the other side. and when i look— walking by on the other side. and when i look at what faith communities— and when i look at what faith communities do— and when i look at what faith communities do in my constituency- communities do in my constituency in terms of things une— constituency in terms of things like homelessness and hunger , i like homelessness and hunger, i rnrnk— like homelessness and hunger, i rnrnk rnrrn— like homelessness and hunger, i think faith motivates so much noon. — think faith motivates so much goon. nur— think faith motivates so much good. but when— think faith motivates so much good. but when often when people renn— good. but when often when people not npour— good. but when often when people read about politicians being religious— read about politicians being religious, they— read about politicians being religious, they think, are you going— religious, they think, are you going ro— religious, they think, are you going to yore— religious, they think, are you going to vote against the woman's right- going to vote against the woman's right choose? you're woman's right to choose? you're going—lgbt- going to vote against lgbt enunury.— going to vote against lgbt enunury. are— going to vote against lgbt equality. are you going? you equality. are you going? are you going— equality. are you going? are you porno-nonrner— equality. are you going? are you going against rights? going to vote against my rights? and going to vote against my rights? ann—peopre- going to vote against my rights? ann—people enn- going to vote against my rights? and people can look at and you know, people can look at my and you know, people can look at ny-reeorn. — and you know, people can look at ny-reeorn. rye— and you know, people can look at my-record. i've got- my voting record. i've got a very— my voting record. i've got a very-voting- my voting record. i've got a very voting record, very liberal voting record, nerunuy.— very liberal voting record, nerunuylrr— very liberal voting record, actually. it makes me sad actually. but it makes me sad peenuee— actually. but it makes me sad because-religion- actually. but it makes me sad because religion is because i think religion is a very— because i think religion is a very positive— because i think religion is a very positive force for good. because i think religion is a veryi)ositive force for good. because i think religion is a veryi totally force for good. because i think religion is a veryi totally understand od. because i think religion is a veryi totally understand why but i totally understand why people— but i totally understand why people non-r— but i totally understand why people don't see it that way. ann— people don't see it that way. and r— people don't see it that way. and r rnrnk— people don't see it that way. and i think that's on us as as retreroue— and i think that's on us as as religious-and- and i think that's on us as as religious and we're religious people. and we're nennr— religious people. and we're nennrlne— religious people. and we're meant be going there and meant to be going out there and running— meant to be going out there and purrnrnplprpeer— meant to be going out there and building bigger and building a bigger tent and printing— building a bigger tent and. bringing—faith. bringing people to our faith. ann— bringing people to our faith. ann r— bringing people to our faith. ann r rnrnk— bringing people to our faith. and i think actually there's a lot and i think actually there's a or or— and i think actually there's a lot of prejudice— and i think actually there's a lot of prejudice that pushes peopre— lot of prejudice that pushesi people—rnnr lot of prejudice that pushes- peopre—rnnr one people away. and i find that sad . -9utted_ people away. and i find that sad . -9utted onno— people away. and i find that sad . -gutted that we've- people away. and i find that sad . -gutted that we've run- people away. and i find that sad . i'm gutted that we've run out of time. really. i could have i so much more to discuss this, but i feel really pleased that i read this book. i think your family are amazing words. thank

you. i really think you've got the most incredible parents and grandpa and they must be so incredibly proud of you. yeah. so here's to them. thank you very much. thank you. wes streeting. coming up, george eustice. and it culminated with me eustice. and it culminated with no n— eustice. and it culminated with no n rne— eustice. and it culminated with no n rne-or— eustice. and it culminated with me at the-of just- eustice. and it culminated with me at the-of just 22,- 3; tr: and it culminated with me at the of just 22, acting me at the age of just 22, acting as me at the age of just 22, acting ne rrrrennr— me at the age of just 22, acting ne than n— me at the age of just 22, acting as litigant in person in the high— as litigant in person in the non noun— as litigant in person in the non eoun rn— as litigant in person in the high court in bristol to try to perenn— high court in bristol to try to defend ou— high court in bristol to try to defend our family. seema unrnorrn— defend our family. seema malhotra and if the family if the business isn't doing well, nor is the family income, i found out later because your parents never talked to you about these things

course it is. you're listening to gb news radio . george to gb news radio. george eustice. elected- to gb news radio. george eustice. elected as- to gb news radio. george eustice. elected as a- eustice. elected as a conservative- eustice. elected as a conservative mp in 2010, you've peen— conservative mp in 2010, you've been n— conservative mp in 2010, you've been a cabinet— conservative mp in 2010, you've been a cabinet minister. you're nor— been a cabinet minister. you're not ernnnrnp— been a cabinet minister. you're not standing at— been a cabinet minister. you're not standing at the next general ereerron. — not standing at the next general ereerron. wny— not standing at the next general election. why not? epic: not standing at the next general election. why not? yucca ll election. why not? well, i will nnye— election. why not? well, i will have done 25 years in politics by the time of the next election, and i think that's enough for anyone, really. that was years in parliament as an

was 15 years in parliament as an mp, nine as a minister, mp, nine years as a minister, all of them in one department. but before that, of course, i did ten years as an adviser and a campaigner. so it'll be 25 years total . a campaigner. so it'll be 25 years total. i don't regret years in total. i don't regret any moment of it. i've had a fascinating time in politics. it's had its frustrations and it's had its ups and downs. but i just i want the chance to pursue a different career , you pursue a different career, you know, in the final chapter, if you like, of my working career, i'll be 53. i think i'm young enough still to do something else. what will you leave , miss else. what will you leave, miss npour— else. what will you leave, miss about politics— else. what will you leave, miss about politics or— what will you leave, miss about politics or about being in pnrnnnenre — about politics or about being in parliament? t parliament? elections, i think. i find and i've done elections as an adviser and a press secretary and i've done elections as as an mp . i find elections as as an mp. i find them exhausting and infuriating because actually, for whichever party you're standing for, you wake up every morning and there's some terrible injustice that's been dished out on you . that's been dished out on you. something said that's grossly unfair from your point of view, at least , and you get the blame

at least, and you get the blame for lots of things that aren't your fault and they are gruelling, exhausting adventures and i won't miss another election. indeed one of the main reasons i decided to go this time is having fought in five elections, quite a few referendums along the way as well . i referendums along the way as well. i really referendums along the way as well . i really couldn't face well. i really couldn't face doing another general election and i thought i just had to be honest my constituency honest with my constituency association about that. is there any chance of l majority - any chance of a majority conservative— any chance of a majority conservative government after the conservative government after no next— conservative government after the next election?— conservative government after the next election? yes there is. our— the next election? yes there is. our nyoe— the next election? yes there is. our poo— the next election? yes there is. but we've got an _ the next election? yes there is. but we've got an uphill- the next election? yes there is. but we've got an uphill struggle and it will be the first time and so it will be the first time in history that a party has won five consecutive elections in a row. now, of course, we've had more elections than you would expect have over the last 12, expect to have over the last 12, 15 years for various reasons that we're all familiar with. and is a route for and i think there is a route for us to get back. but it needs rishi sunak to basically stick to the plan. he's doing. it's hard , but getting credible hard work, but getting credible , sensible decisions made showing good judgement even in the kyiv, if you like, getting

the kyiv, if you like, getting the getting the economy back on an even keel. if we do all of that, then i think doubts might start to set in about keir starmer and the labour front bench because i personally don't think really like think they really look like a government waiting at government in waiting at the moment. different moment. and that's different from tony in from tony blair. tony blair in the very much looked the late 90s, very much looked like a prime minister and a government in waiting and i don't the labour party don't think the labour party looked that moment. looked like that at the moment. now there's a lot of ifs in there, it's doable. and of there, but it's doable. and of course the hope of the conservative party is it'll be more 1992 election from our more of a 1992 election from our point view, rather than a point of view, rather than a 1997 election. was there a life even— 1997 election. was there a life even rnnr— 1997 election. was there a life event that politicised- it r�* t r:r" was there a life event that politicised you ? event that politicised you? vee- — event that politicised you? vee- r— event that politicised you? yes. r never— event that politicised you? yes. i never intended- event that politicised you? yes. i never intended actually to go into politics. i always had a bit of an interest in it. when i was at school, but i actually intended to go into the family business, which was farming. we used to do quite a lot of soft fruit and vegetables and had livestock as well. it and we had livestock as well. it was quite a big farming business in cornwall and we in those days in cornwall and we had a really big setback for the business in the mid 1990s. i was in the business in my early 20s

at that time and we ended up making a big investment in a new project at and then several years of very bad weather, a lot of bad luck, a lot of things went against to us be honest with hindsight, it was an overambitious project that we had taken on, but we did to had taken on, but we did so to try and an old family farm try and keep an old family farm in the family. when my great uncle was was retiring. but as a result of that, we ended up in a very serious dispute with barclays bank, who was our banker at the time, and that episode became, you know, quite an acrimonious case, a test case on several fronts . and in the on several fronts. and in the course of a year there were about 27 different court orders, multiple court appearances, and it culminated with me at the age of just 22, acting as litigant in person in the high court in bristol to try to defend our family against what was quite an aggressive move by the bank . and aggressive move by the bank. and so that politicised me and i became very politicised because of that. and i also blame the

exchange rate mechanism, which you might remember erm was the forerunner to the euro and that also made me quite hostile to ventures to try to join up currencies in the eu. and it's no surprise therefore that my first job in politics was with business for sterling. the business for sterling. the business campaign group, to try to stop britain joining the euro and in that campaign, you worked with dominic cummings, who was not a household name at that point. but when it on to become none— point. but when it on to become boris johnson's— point. but when it on to become boris johnson's chief— but when it on to become boris johnson's chief adviser, rney— boris johnson's chief adviser, rneyrney— boris johnson's chief adviser, they they spectacularly fell out at they they spectacularly fell out nr just— they they spectacularly fell out at just dominic— they they spectacularly fell out at just dominic cummings pereonnrrry— at just dominic cummings personality lend itself to none— personality lend itself to rnurnp our— personality lend itself to falling out with people who's been— falling out with people who's been very— falling out with people who's been very close— falling out with people who's been very close to. �*fvr�*r:ll been very close to. well look dominic cummings was our first for both of us. we're the same age actually, exactly the same age. i think there's only a few months between us. and for both of us working at business for sterling was where we cut our teeth. our first job in teeth. it was our first job in politics and on some ways, you know, cummings is know, dominic cummings is a force nature and his ability

force of nature and his ability to analyse things and be quite strategic , particularly in strategic, particularly in campaigns , in difficult battles campaigns, in difficult battles was actually very impressive. but his big weakness is he doesn't really work with others. all that well. if you're part of the team and you'll normally travel light with with half a dozen really trusted people that he that he bonds with on a particular mission, then and i was one of those during those years if you're if you're one of those then when you're part of the of the group and you really understand operates understand how dominic operates . but of course in politics, you endlessly have to try to accommodate that and be nice to people that have different views from you. it's about consensus building and consensus building is not something that dominic cummings was ever minded to do. his his view , his perception of his his view, his perception of it. and i understand it would have been that if you compromise to reach a consensus, then you've already undermined the purity and the clarity of your mission and therefore,

compromise wasn't something he did easily. and that that makes it quite difficult when get it quite difficult when you get to government, because he wasn't willing to do that. more from george eustice— willing to do that. more from george eustice after- at r: more from george eustice after the break. vou— george eustice after the break. you knew.— george eustice after the break. you knew. rne— george eustice after the break. you know, the approach- george eustice after the break. you know, the approach we take to animal welfare and the way we treat sentient animals, particularly farm animals, is actually the hallmark of a civilised society . motty .

join us here on gb news, the neopren— join us here on gb news, the people's channel, all britain's news . channel _ people's channel, all britain's news . channel news. channel just want to ask you about some comments you made in parliament a couple of months ago in march and these comments caused a bit of a stir. ago in march and these comments caused a bit of a stir . you said caused a bit of a stir. you said many women do want to spend those first few years with their child. and it's a short period in life where they can perform that natural nurturing role. we shouldn't belittle it. we should value it . natural nurturing role value it. natural nurturing role , bit of a backlash. people saying just because you're a woman, it doesn't mean you're

natural and nurturing. and that's stereotype . were you that's a stereotype. were you surprised by the backlash? well, yes, because actually the point— well, yes, because actually the point r— well, yes, because actually the point r vvn— well, yes, because actually the point i was making in that epeeen— point i was making in that epeeen r— point i was making in that epeeen, r vvn— point i was making in that speech, i was arguing the case for n— speech, i was arguing the case for a transfer— speech, i was arguing the case for a transfer tax— speech, i was arguing the case for a transfer tax allowance and the for a transfer tax allowance and no entry— for a transfer tax allowance and no entry to— for a transfer tax allowance and the reality is that— for a transfer tax allowance and the reality is that in most rne— the reality is that in most cases, the partner in a relationship- cases, the partner in a relationship that chooses to erny— relationship that chooses to erny nr— relationship that chooses to erny nr none— relationship that chooses to stay at home in— relationship that chooses to stay at home in those first few yenre— stay at home in those first few yenre re— stay at home in those first few years is women. _ stay at home in those first few years is women. and that's rnnr-e— years is women. and that's one n— years is women. and that's that's a fact— years is women. and that's that's a fact ._ years is women. and that's that's a fact . it's not that's a fact. it's not exclusively- that's a fact. it's not exclusively the case. and of course, there _ exclusively the case. and of course, there are- exclusively the case. and of course, there are men who decide to erny— course, there are men who decide to erny nr— course, there are men who decide to erny nr none— course, there are men who decide to stay at home and— course, there are men who decide to stay at home and care for eninren— to stay at home and care for eninren ne— to stay at home and care for children as well— to stay at home and care for children as well .- to stay at home and care for children as well . but it's also children as well. but it's also rne— children as well. but it's also no one— children as well. but it's also the case that— children as well. but it's also the case that when the parents trop— the case that when the parents nrop rnerr— the case that when the parents drop their children at playgroups- drop their children at playgroups or childcare , they playgroups or childcare, they nir— playgroups or childcare, they win inn— playgroups or childcare, they will find that— playgroups or childcare, they will find that most, most of the peopre— will find that most, most of the people one— will find that most, most of the people who work— will find that most, most of the people who work in those places are people who work in those places neo— people who work in those places are also women— people who work in those places are also women and again, rnere-e— are also women and again, rnere-e no— are also women and again, there's no surprise about that. ann— there's no surprise about that. and r— there's no surprise about that. and r rnrnk— there's no surprise about that. and i think it's— there's no surprise about that. and i think it's wrong to pennie— and i think it's wrong to belittle those- and i think it's wrong to belittle those women who do neorne— belittle those women who do neorne rnnr— belittle those women who do decide that they— belittle those women who do decide that they want to stay penne— decide that they want to stay nenrnn nnn— decide that they want to stay behind and play— decide that they want to stay behind and play that nurturing rote.— behind and play that nurturing rote. ann— behind and play that nurturing rote. ann nr— behind and play that nurturing role. and at the— behind and play that nurturing role. and at the moment, there's a role. and at the moment, there's n ere— role. and at the moment, there's n up propren— role. and at the moment, there's a big problem with— role. and at the moment, there's a big problem with our tax system,— a big problem with our tax system, which— a big problem with our tax system, which is if one parent oooeeen— system, which is if one parent oooeeen ro— system, which is if one parent chooses to stay— system, which is if one parent chooses to stay at— system, which is if one parent chooses to stay at for home the iron— chooses to stay at for home the iron revv— chooses to stay at for home the first new yenre— chooses to stay at for home the first few years because they vvnnr— first few years because they vvnnr rnoee — first few years because they want those first— first few years because they want those first 3 or 4 years to

be vvnere— want those first 3 or 4 years to be where their— want those first 3 or 4 years to be where their child, you know, not be where their child, you know, nor-no — be where their child, you know, nor-no rney— be where their child, you know, not do they obviously have not only do they obviously have not only do they obviously have no support— not only do they obviously have no euppon nor— not only do they obviously have no support for doing so, but rney— no support for doing so, but rney-rnerr— no support for doing so, but they-their tax- no support for doing so, but they their tax allowance they lose their tax allowance nnn— they lose their tax allowance nnn-rnen— they lose their tax allowance and - idea -they - they lose their tax allowance- and - idea -they should, and my idea is that they should, in and my idea is that they should, rn-enrry— and my idea is that they should, rn-enrry yen— and my idea is that they should, in -early years, be - and my idea is that they should, in early years, be to in those early years, be able to rrnnerer— in those early years, be able to transfer their— in those early years, be able to transfer their allowance to transfer their tax allowance to a transfer their tax allowance to n-pnnner.— transfer their tax allowance to n-pnnner-rr- transfer their tax allowance to. a-partner. -it might a working partner. and it might be a working partner. and it might ne—pnnner- a working partner. and it might be_partner might. a working partner. and it might. be_partner might be, be the working partner might be, you-nonnnlrne- be the working partner might be, you woman the man you know, the woman or the man in rne— you know, the woman or the man in the relationship.— you know, the woman or the man in the relationship. but it neuro— in the relationship. but it would mean— in the relationship. but it would mean then that the family untr— would mean then that the family unit—more— would mean then that the family unrr—nore or- would mean then that the family unit—more of their. unit would have more of their rnnr— unit would have more of their income that they— unit would have more of their income that they to help income that they earn to help vvrrn — income that they earn to help vvrrn -ooere— income that they earn to help with -costs that - income that they earn to help with costs that they have with those costs that they have in onion — with those costs that they have in child care.— with those costs that they have in child care. but— with those costs that they have in child care. but this is i you know,— in child care. but this is i you know, accidentally i stumbled inro— know, accidentally i stumbled into—rne- know, accidentally i stumbled into—rne very- into, you know, the very contentious— into, you know, the very contentious debate , you know, contentious debate, you know, the contentious debate, you know, rne gender— contentious debate, you know, the gender debate, highly onnrpen— the gender debate, highly charged gender debate that we nnve— charged gender debate that we nnve rn— charged gender debate that we nnve rn rne— charged gender debate that we have in this country. but i ornnn— have in this country. but i one by— have in this country. but i stand by what— have in this country. but i stand by what i- have in this country. but i stand by what i said and i use rne— stand by what i said and i use no tern— stand by what i said and i use the term motherhood for a good reason, because _ the term motherhood for a good reason, because i— the term motherhood for a good reason, because i do think there is reason, because i do think there to euon— reason, because i do think there to euon n— reason, because i do think there to euon n rnrne— reason, because i do think there is such a thing as— reason, because i do think there is such a thing as a— reason, because i do think there is such a thing as a maternal merino.— is such a thing as a maternal instinct. and— is such a thing as a maternal instinct. and i— is such a thing as a maternal instinct. and i think it's wrong to deny— instinct. and i think it's wrong to deny n. — instinct. and i think it's wrong to deny it. who— instinct. and i think it's wrong to deny it. who do- instinct. and i think it's wrong to deny it. �*fvr�*2tr 3: instinct. and i think it's wrong to deny it. 3: to deny it. who do you think the word belittle that the role a caring role. obviously this is contested, but let's assume that women have a choose a caring role. and you said it shouldn't be belittled. who do you think

belittles it? i think there's a rnere-e— belittles it? i think there's a rnere-e n— belittles it? i think there's a there's a there's— belittles it? i think there's a there's a there's a- fl i think there's a there's a there's a culture in eoorery— there's a there's a culture in our society that— there's a there's a culture in our society that says you should get onoo— our society that says you should get enok ro — our society that says you should get back to work— our society that says you should get back to work straight away andr— get back to work straight away not you— get back to work straight away not, you know,— get back to work straight away and, you know, stay at home. mum is and, you know, stay at home. mum to you— and, you know, stay at home. mum to you know,— and, you know, stay at home. mum to you know, to— and, you know, stay at home. mum is you know, is almost seen as a term — is you know, is almost seen as a term or— is you know, is almost seen as a term or neuee— is you know, is almost seen as a term of abuse actually. you know i term of abuse actually. you know rrnrnk— term of abuse actually. you know rrnrnk n— term of abuse actually. you know rrnrnk in re— term of abuse actually. you know rrnrnk n to n— term of abuse actually. you know i think it is in that— term of abuse actually. you know i think it is in that sense by some sectors— i think it is in that sense by some sectors of— i think it is in that sense by some sectors of our society neurrren — some sectors of our society belittled and _ some sectors of our society belittled and i— some sectors of our society belittled and i had lots of norunuy— belittled and i had lots of actually lots— belittled and i had lots of actually lots of- belittled and i had lots of actually lots of parents who had ooneen— actually lots of parents who had ooneen ro— actually lots of parents who had ooneen ro ony— actually lots of parents who had chosen to stay at— actually lots of parents who had chosen to stay at home who oonrnoren— chosen to stay at home who contacted me.— chosen to stay at home who contacted me. the vast majority of contacted me. the vast majority or peopre— contacted me. the vast majority or people one— contacted me. the vast majority of people who contacted me oonprerery— of people who contacted me completely supported what i one. — completely supported what i one. ann— completely supported what i said. and there— completely supported what i said. and there was one, you know,— said. and there was one, you know, one mother i heard about one— know, one mother i heard about vvno enro— know, one mother i heard about vvno enrn rnnr— know, one mother i heard about who said that she— know, one mother i heard about who said that she she she when her who said that she she she when ner onio— who said that she she she when her child was— who said that she she she when her child was born,— who said that she she she when her child was born, she was nonet— her child was born, she was neken vvnnr— her child was born, she was asked what to— her child was born, she was asked what to put as her oooupnrron— asked what to put as her occupation on- asked what to put as her occupation on the, you know, on the occupation on the, you know, on no erron— occupation on the, you know, on the birth certificate. and she enn— the birth certificate. and she and, war,— the birth certificate. and she said, well, i'm— the birth certificate. and she said, well, i'm i'm just i'm going— said, well, i'm i'm just i'm going ro— said, well, i'm i'm just i'm going no te— said, well, i'm i'm just i'm going to to n— said, well, i'm i'm just i'm going to be a stay at home norner— going to be a stay at home norner .— going to be a stay at home mother . and— going to be a stay at home mother. and then going to be a stay at home mother . and then the person at mother. and then the person at the mother. and then the person at no return— mother. and then the person at the registrar said,— mother. and then the person at the registrar said, well, what rin— the registrar said, well, what one you— the registrar said, well, what one you no— the registrar said, well, what did you do before you were a norner— did you do before you were a norner e— did you do before you were a mother ? and _ did you do before you were a mother ? and she— did you do before you were a mother ? and she said what career mother? and she said what career she mother? and she said what career one-none— mother? and she said what career one-none n— mother? and she said what career she-done a couple- mother? and she said what career she done a couple of years she had done a couple of years before.— she had done a couple of years before. ann— she had done a couple of years before. and they— she had done a couple of years before. and they said, well, vve-u— before. and they said, well, vve-u-rnnr— before. and they said, well, we'll-that-and. before. and they said, well,- we'll-that-andlwas we'll put that down. and it was nrnoer— we'll put that down. and it was nrnoer ne— we'll put that down. and it was almost as though _ we'll put that down. and it was almost as though they thought, were—

almost as though they thought, were-you— almost as though they thought, were-you n— almost as though they thought, we're you a favour by we're doing you a favour by purring— we're doing you a favour by putting your— we're doing you a favour by putting your former career putting your your former career on-rnnn— putting your your former career on -than valuing- putting your your former career on than valuing the role on rather than valuing the role rnnr— on rather than valuing the role that-declared- on rather than valuing the role that declared your your, that you've declared your your, vou— that you've declared your your, you—pneeronnre- that you've declared your your,i you—passionate about you know, your passionate about no— you know, your passionate about nnn— — you know, your passionate about nnn— vou— you know, your passionate about nnn— veu peen- you know, your passionate about. and_ you good around and want to do. you good around the you do you the house, do you do you actually carved quite actually we carved out quite well have at weekends well and i have at weekends i look after my young daughter and i'm usually the first one. she wakes up in the 2. �*" she wakes up in the morning, so i get— wakes up in the morning, so i get n— wakes up in the morning, so i get a breakfast— wakes up in the morning, so i get a breakfast and keep her entertained.— get a breakfast and keep her entertained. i— get a breakfast and keep her entertained. i do— get a breakfast and keep her entertained. i do most of the, you— entertained. i do most of the, you know.— entertained. i do most of the, you know. rne— entertained. i do most of the, you know, the cooking in the noue-e— you know, the cooking in the noue-e nur— you know, the cooking in the house. but we— you know, the cooking in the house. but we yeah, we share it nounn— house. but we yeah, we share it nounn so— house. but we yeah, we share it nrounn so rn— house. but we yeah, we share it around. so i'm not— house. but we yeah, we share it around. so i'm not i— house. but we yeah, we share it around. so i'm not i mean, as ueunr— around. so i'm not i mean, as ueunr pene— around. so i'm not i mean, as usual because i'm— around. so i'm not i mean, as usual because i'm a conservative mp usual because i'm a conservative inn-ro— usual because i'm a conservative inn-no ne— usual because i'm a conservative inn-no ne ro- usual because i'm a conservative inn-no no no te- mp tendency to me to be caricatured_ mp tendency to me to be caricatured as— mp tendency to me to be caricatured as some sort of, i non-r— caricatured as some sort of, i non-r know— caricatured as some sort of, i don't know misogynist or eonernrnp— don't know misogynist or something some people's don't know misogynist or- something-some people's eyes something and some people's eyes it's something and some people's eyes no n— something and some people's eyes no n tre— something and some people's eyes no n no n— something and some people's eyes it's a, it's a completely false onnonuer— it's a, it's a completely false caricature for— it's a, it's a completely false caricature for actually just a true— caricature for actually just a time on— caricature for actually just a little bit about— caricature for actually just a little bit about your the brief rnnr— little bit about your the brief rnnr you. — little bit about your the brief that you. well— little bit about your the brief that you. well you- little bit about your the brief that you. �*fvr�*r:22 " that you. well you i mean you really are an expert in in that department of food rural affairs, the environment because you were a minister for so long as well as being the secretary of state the weekly food shop . of state the weekly food shop. it's hurting us all. the cost of

that weekly food shop is there any government policy that could could could help get those pnces could could help get those prices down when the price of oil and gas goes up because it's unked oil and gas goes up because it's linked to fertiliser and most of the inputs in agriculture , oil the inputs in agriculture, oil costs and food distribution , costs and food distribution, then it's very, very sensitive to energy costs. and that's the prime — to energy costs. and that's the prime nnver— to energy costs. and that's the prime nnver .— to energy costs. and that's the prime driver . and— r:":”r2wr t and that's the prime driver . and there's a r:r:2r2wr t and that's the prime driver . and there's a time prime driver. and there's a time lag rn— prime driver. and there's a time lag in rnnr— prime driver. and there's a time lag in that those— prime driver. and there's a time lag in that those costs come rnrouen— lag in that those costs come rnroupn rne— lag in that those costs come through the system . um, through the system. um, rypronuy— through the system. um, rypronuy o— through the system. um, typically 3 to _ through the system. um, typically 3 to 6 months after rne— typically 3 to 6 months after no pnoe— typically 3 to 6 months after rne pnoe or— typically 3 to 6 months after the price of oil.— typically 3 to 6 months after the price of oil. and that's why rney-re— the price of oil. and that's why rney-re outre— the price of oil. and that's why they're quite stubbornly high at they're quite stubbornly hiin at they're quite stubbornly high at no rnornenr— they're quite stubbornly high at the moment. they will start to rnu— the moment. they will start to no enok. — the moment. they will start to fall back. but— the moment. they will start to fall back. but there are other rnrnpe— fall back. but there are other rnrnee rne— fall back. but there are other things the government could do. they— things the government could do. rney oourn— things the government could do. they could loosen— things the government could do. they could loosen in and change the they could loosen in and change rne nppronon— they could loosen in and change rne nppronon .— they could loosen in and change the approach . on— they could loosen in and change the approach . on immigration. i the approach. on immigration. i rnrnk— the approach. on immigration. i rnrnk nnvrne— the approach. on immigration. i rnrnk nnvrne n— the approach. on immigration. i think having a skills based immigration— think having a skills based immigration policy is actually wrong— immigration policy is actually wrong because— immigration policy is actually wrong because it— immigration policy is actually wrong because it means you're are wrong because it means you're opening— wrong because it means you're openrnp rne— wrong because it means you're are opening the door to solicitors— are opening the door to solicitors ,_ are opening the door to solicitors , accountants, solicitors, accountants, rneorvenoy— solicitors, accountants, insolvency practitioners , you insolvency practitioners, you know.— insolvency practitioners, you know. nu— insolvency practitioners, you know, all destroyer conductors, all know, all destroyer conductors, nu eons— know, all destroyer conductors, nu eons of— know, all destroyer conductors, all sorts of people— know, all destroyer conductors, all sorts of people that we norunuy— all sorts of people that we actually don't— all sorts of people that we actually don't particularly need at actually don't particularly need nr rne— actually don't particularly need at the moment— actually don't particularly need at the moment ._ actually don't particularly need at the moment. but what you're rnen— at the moment. but what you're rnen onyrne— at the moment. but what you're rnen enyrnp re— at the moment. but what you're then saying is those sectors who

are then saying is those sectors who pronuorne— then saying is those sectors who are producing food— then saying is those sectors who are producing food for the nnrron— are producing food for the nation can't— are producing food for the nation can't have access to the neon— nation can't have access to the rneour-rney— nation can't have access to the labour-they need- nation can't have access to the labour they need and that's labour that they need and that's nnvrnp— labour that they need and that's driving-n— labour that they need and that's driving-a labour— labour that they need and that's driving a labour shortage driving both a labour shortage nno— driving both a labour shortage nnn vvnee— driving both a labour shortage and wage inflation as well. in none— and wage inflation as well. in those sectors. _ and wage inflation as well. in those sectors. and that's exacerbating _ those sectors. and that's exacerbating the problem. so it's exacerbating the problem. so rr-e nor— exacerbating the problem. so no not rne— exacerbating the problem. so it's not the cause— exacerbating the problem. so it's not the cause of it, but no— it's not the cause of it, but rr-elnre— it's not the cause of it, but it's big contributing factor. it's a big contributing factor. nno— it's a big contributing factor. ann rne— it's a big contributing factor. and no one— it's a big contributing factor. and the one thing the government oourn— and the one thing the government oourn no— and the one thing the government oourn no te— and the one thing the government oourn no re re— and the one thing the government could do is to basically carve our— could do is to basically carve our-ony— could do is to basically carve our-eny noon— could do is to basically carve out-say food is- could do is to basically carve out say food is different. out and say food is different. vie— out and say food is different. we ne— out and say food is different. we going— out and say food is different. we are going to— out and say food is different. we are going to have a temporary _ we are going to have a temporary eoernen— we are going to have a temporary visa scheme, maybe— we are going to have a temporary visa scheme, maybe with a 2 or 3 yen— visa scheme, maybe with a 2 or 3 yenr vren— visa scheme, maybe with a 2 or 3 yenr nor— visa scheme, maybe with a 2 or 3 year visa for anybody who wants to work— year visa for anybody who wants to worklthe — year visa for anybody who wants to work-the food— year visa for anybody who wants to work the food industry and to work in the food industry and tunn— to work in the food industry and run on— to work in the food industry and just on another— to work in the food industry and just on another important issue in rne— just on another important issue in the department that you have open— in the department that you have spent noon— in the department that you have spent most time— in the department that you have spent most time working in nnrnnr— spent most time working in animal welfare— spent most time working in animal welfare for, there's a revv— animal welfare for, there's a new issues— animal welfare for, there's a few issues where _ animal welfare for, there's a few issues where people in your pnrty— few issues where people in your pnny. nor— few issues where people in your pnny. nor tunn— few issues where people in your own party, not just the opposition— own party, not just the opposition and campaigners , wish opposition and campaigners, wish rney— opposition and campaigners, wish rney nno— opposition and campaigners, wish rney nnn pone— opposition and campaigners, wish they had gone further and notep— they had gone further and faster, thought— they had gone further and faster, thought brexit would be an faster, thought brexit would be nn opponunrry— faster, thought brexit would be nn opponunrry ro— faster, thought brexit would be an opportunity to do so. ' "g an opportunity to do so. any disappointments in that area? yes, i all my time have been pneeronnre— yes, i all my time have been passionate about— yes, i all my time have been passionate about about animal vvettnre— passionate about about animal vvennre. rne— passionate about about animal welfare. the approach we take to nnrnnr— welfare. the approach we take to animal welfare— welfare. the approach we take to animal welfare and_ welfare. the approach we take to animal welfare and the way we rrenr— animal welfare and the way we treat sentient— animal welfare and the way we treat sentient animals, pnnrournny— treat sentient animals, particularly farm animals , is

particularly farm animals, is norunuy— particularly farm animals, is norunuy rne — particularly farm animals, is actually the hallmark of a orvireen— actually the hallmark of a civilised society and i've nrvvnye— civilised society and i've nrvvnye ren— civilised society and i've always felt we - civilised society and i've always felt we could do better nno— always felt we could do better not rnere— always felt we could do better and there should— always felt we could do better and there should be a constant erron— and there should be a constant enon ro— and there should be a constant effort to improve— and there should be a constant effort to improve animal welfare reprernrron— effort to improve animal welfare legislation and_ effort to improve animal welfare legislation and there were other pine— legislation and there were other nine enu— legislation and there were other bills still to— legislation and there were other bills still to be— legislation and there were other bills still to be brought nonpro— bills still to be brought forward. one- bills still to be brought forward. one of them was the kept— forward. one of them was the nepr nnrnnre— forward. one of them was the kept animals bill that had a package— kept animals bill that had a pnoknpe or— kept animals bill that had a package of measures, including the package of measures, including no enn— package of measures, including no online— package of measures, including the ban live exports , which the ban on live exports, which was something— the ban on live exports, which was something we wanted to do nno— was something we wanted to do no vvn— was something we wanted to do no n— was something we wanted to do and was a brexit— was something we wanted to do and was a brexit net benefit. nno— and was a brexit net benefit. ann entry.— and was a brexit net benefit. one entry. rne— and was a brexit net benefit. and sadly, the government have tended— and sadly, the government have tented-ro— and sadly, the government have decided-to take— and sadly, the government have decided to take that decided not to take that norvvnrn. — decided not to take that forward. and _ decided not to take that forward. and i- decided not to take that forward. and i think that's a gren— forward. and i think that's a pen noe— forward. and i think that's a great shame. they so great shame. and they did so penuoe— great shame. and they did so because-animal- great shame. and they did so because animal welfare because they see animal welfare as a contentious— because they see animal welfare as a contentious issue. they were-rnere- as a contentious issue. they were there would as a contentious issue. they were -there would all were worried there would be all oono— were worried there would be all sorts—amendments. were worried there would be all sorts amendments and sorts of emotive amendments and it sorts of emotive amendments and n neuro— sorts of emotive amendments and in would be— sorts of emotive amendments and it would be difficult to manage. rne— it would be difficult to manage. rne trunn— it would be difficult to manage. the truth ithough,_ it would be difficult to manage. the truth though, we had the truth is, though, we had nrrenny— the truth is, though, we had nrrenny-ror- the truth is, though, we had already -for that, i already planned for that, i neveropen— already planned for that, i developed as— already planned for that, i developed as the minister responsible— developed as the minister responsible handling strategy a nnnnpenenr— responsible handling strategy a management strategy for any oonoeven— management strategy for any conceived bill,— management strategy for any conceived bill, amendments that oourn— conceived bill, amendments that oourn nnve— conceived bill, amendments that could have been— conceived bill, amendments that could have been made to the pin— could have been made to the pin-very— could have been made to the bill. very disappointed bill. so i'm very disappointed the bill. so i'm very disappointed nne—nrnn-r- bill. so i'm very disappointed the—didn't take. bill. so i'm very disappointed the—didn't take itj the government didn't take it tonne.— the government didn't take it norvvnrn. nur— the government didn't take it forward. but we— the government didn't take it forward. but we are where are forward. but we are where we are nno— forward. but we are where we are nne-nnve— forward. but we are where we are nne-nnvelrry- forward. but we are where we are and-haveltry and. and we'll now have to try and pron— and we'll now have to try and pick-some— and we'll now have to try and pron-oone or— and we'll now have to try and pick some of those measures pick up some of those measures in pick up some of those measures nno—- pick up some of those measures rnno— pnvnrel in other ways, such as private rnerneroe— in other ways, such as private members-might- in other ways, such as private members-might you. in other ways, such as privatei members-might you do members bills. might you do that? i members bills. might you do one rnrpnr— members bills. might you do that? i might do— members bills. might you do that? i might do that,- members bills. i�*i 32 3: 22327 i might do that, but that? i might do that, but

rnere-u— that? i might do that, but rnere-u ee— that? i might do that, but there'll be a— that? i might do that, but there'll be a bit- 22327 i might do that, but there'll be a bit of 2227 i might do that, but there'll be a bit of me 227 i might do that, but there'll be a bit of me that rnrnko— there'll be a bit of me that rnrnko r— there'll be a bit of me that thinks i did— there'll be a bit of me that thinks i did all— there'll be a bit of me that thinks i did all the work before nno— thinks i did all the work before no we— thinks i did all the work before no we oourn— thinks i did all the work before and we could have just this and we could have just done this enn— and we could have just done this urn—neuro- and we could have just done this with—hours of- and we could have just done this with—hours of time. with an extra five hours of time in parliament,— with an extra five hours of time in parliament, of— with an extra five hours of time in parliament, of which there's prenry— in parliament, of which there's plenty of— in parliament, of which there's plenty or nneo— in parliament, of which there's plenty of times parliament plenty of times when parliament nronppenro—so- plenty of times when parliament disappears—so it- disappears home early. so it oourn— disappears home early. so it oourn-neen— disappears home early. so it could-been done- disappears home early. so it could been done and was could have been done and it was renuy— could have been done and it was renuy only.— could have been done and it was really only,ithink,_ could have been done and it was really only, think, sort of really only, i think, sort of excessive-and- excessive caution and oenorrrvrry— excessive caution and sensitivity to - excessive caution and sensitivity to the to the risk of sensitivity to the to the risk or enorrve— sensitivity to the to the risk of emotive issues that caused rnen — of emotive issues that caused rnen ro— of emotive issues that caused rnen to deny.— of emotive issues that caused them to delay. it— of emotive issues that caused them to delay. it really enjoy rnnr— them to delay. it really enjoy rnnr onnn— them to delay. it really enjoy that chat and_ them to delay. it really enjoy that chat and really enjoyed opening— that chat and really enjoyed eerrrne rne— that chat and really enjoyed getting the benefit of your venom.— getting the benefit of your wisdom, particularly in that nepnnnenr— wisdom, particularly in that department that you spent so muon— department that you spent so nuon nne— department that you spent so nuon nne rn— department that you spent so much time in and wish you well for rne— much time in and wish you well for the -chapter_ much time in and wish you well for the chapter whenever for the next chapter whenever rnnr— for the next chapter whenever rnnr-ooneo. - for the next chapter whenever that-comes. when. for the next chapter whenever. that-comes. when do for the next chapter whenever- that-comes. when do you that election comes. when do you think it'll be? i can't see really think it'll be? i can't see renuy nn— think it'll be? i can't see really an incentive- 2 22 :rr:7 i can't see really an incentive for government- really an incentive for government to go particularly enrry—rl government to go particularlyi enrry—r orru early at the moment. so i still rnrnk— early at the moment. so i still rnrnk propnpry— early at the moment. so i still think probably by— early at the moment. so i still think probably by october next yen— think probably by october next yenr .— think probably by october next yenr . noon.— think probably by october next year , 2024, we'll— think probably by october next year , 2024, we'll put it in our year, 2024, we'll put it in our nrnneo. — year, 2024, we'll put it in our diaries. george— year, 2024, we'll put it in our diaries. 229: 2.52 t: year, 2024, we'll put it in our diaries. 229: 2.52 t.r: diaries. george eustice, thank you very much. thank you. coming up, seema malhotra , what people up, seema malhotra, what people underestimate when you have a member of the family that's got terminal, terminal illness or life changing illnesses, how much it takes from the rest of the family

labour mps seema malhotra you are on the front bench, your shadow minister for business and consumers. you dad run a family shop.i consumers. you dad run a family shop. i read that you sold everything from school uniforms to jewellery. did the experience of living in the family shop, did it influence how you come up with policies to support small businesses as well? the experience of 7 the experience of growing up in a onnn— experience of growing up in a onnu onop— experience of growing up in a onnu onop rn— experience of growing up in a small shop in our— experience of growing up in a small shop in our community renuy— small shop in our community renuy orn— small shop in our community really did influence me, and no— really did influence me, and no n— really did influence me, and no n oer— really did influence me, and no n oer or— really did influence me, and it's a set of memories that i onu— it's a set of memories that i orru nnve.— it's a set of memories that i still have. we— it's a set of memories that i still have. we grew up as a rnniy— still have. we grew up as a rnniy or— still have. we grew up as a family of eight— still have. we grew up as a family of eight five children. my pnrenro— family of eight five children. my parents and_ family of eight five children. my parents and my grandmother rrvrnp— my parents and my grandmother nvrne npove— my parents and my grandmother living above-shop.- my parents and my grandmother living above shop. so it was living above the shop. so it was oonernrnp— living above the shop. so it was oonernrnp-vve— living above the shop. so it was something-we-ourl something that we had in our uveo— something that we had in our uveo every— something that we had in our uveo every ony— something that we had in our lives every day and it was an epeene— lives every day and it was an experience where— lives every day and it was an experience where i really do rnrnk— experience where i really do rnrnk n— experience where i really do rnrnk n enve— experience where i really do think it gave me— experience where i really do think it gave me a sense of pene— think it gave me a sense of being on— think it gave me a sense of being on rne— think it gave me a sense of being on the front line in a oonnunrry.— being on the front line in a community. you— being on the front line in a community. you know, people came in re— community. you know, people came in to buy— community. you know, people came in to buy rne— community. you know, people came in to buy the school— community. you know, people came in to buy the school uniforms or to buy— in to buy the school uniforms or to buy rnrenn— in to buy the school uniforms or to buy thread from _ in to buy the school uniforms or to buy thread from our

gutterman,_ to buy thread from our gutterman, you know, rack . if gutterman, you know, rack. if peopre— gutterman, you know, rack. if people remember gutermann thread . eur— people remember gutermann thread . our noo— people remember gutermann thread . but no neu— people remember gutermann thread . but no vveu .— people remember gutermann thread , but also well, it's— people remember gutermann thread , but also well , it's funny, we , but also well, it's funny, we onu— , but also well, it's funny, we orru nnve— , but also well, it's funny, we still have the— , but also well, it's funny, we still have the rack— , but also well, it's funny, we still have the rack in the pnrnpe— still have the rack in the pnrnpe. pur— still have the rack in the garage, but it— still have the rack in the garage, but it was one of those epenenoeo— garage, but it was one of those experiences where— garage, but it was one of those experiences where you really in no — experiences where you really were in the community. people young— were in the community. people younp nno— were in the community. people younp nno orn— were in the community. people young and old came in. it was vvnere— young and old came in. it was vvnere r— young and old came in. it was where i learned— young and old came in. it was where i learned to— young and old came in. it was where i learned to go out and neour— where i learned to go out and neour vvrrn— where i learned to go out and neour win my— where i learned to go out and about with my father because he was about with my father because he nne — about with my father because he nne nn — about with my father because he was like an old— about with my father because he was like an old fashioned salesman as— was like an old fashioned salesman as well. he was us rnponrnp— salesman as well. he was us importing jewellery and clothes non— importing jewellery and clothes from rnnrn— importing jewellery and clothes from india. so— importing jewellery and clothes from india. so he— importing jewellery and clothes from india. so he used to have a ourronoe— from india. so he used to have a ourronoe rnnr— from india. so he used to have a suitcase that he— from india. so he used to have a suitcase that he used to put in the suitcase that he used to put in no poor— suitcase that he used to put in no poor or— suitcase that he used to put in the boot of the— suitcase that he used to put in the boot of the car— suitcase that he used to put in the boot of the car and go out to the boot of the car and go out no onopo— the boot of the car and go out no onopo nno— the boot of the car and go out to shops and leatherhead and ouinrorn— to shops and leatherhead and guildford and,— to shops and leatherhead and guildford and, and really show his guildford and, and really show no onnpreo— guildford and, and really show his samples and_ guildford and, and really show his samples and get orders. and i his samples and get orders. and r uoen— his samples and get orders. and r uoen ro— his samples and get orders. and i used to sometimes go with him as i used to sometimes go with him no nne— i used to sometimes go with him no the n— i used to sometimes go with him no the n s— i used to sometimes go with him no the n s or— i used to sometimes go with him no the n s or e— i used to sometimes go with him as like a 5 or 6 year— i used to sometimes go with him as like a 5 or 6 year old and enunuy— as like a 5 or 6 year old and enunuy rn— as like a 5 or 6 year old and enunuy rn rne— as like a 5 or 6 year old and equally in the shop, you know, vvnen— equally in the shop, you know, vvnen ve— equally in the shop, you know, when we were— equally in the shop, you know, when we were serving customers, when we were serving customers, i when we were serving customers, r rernernere— when we were serving customers, r rernernern ny— when we were serving customers, i remember my mum testing me on my nrrrnnerro— i remember my mum testing me on my arithmetic when _ i remember my mum testing me on my arithmetic when i— i remember my mum testing me on my arithmetic when i had to onrournre— my arithmetic when i had to calculate how— my arithmetic when i had to calculate how much change to give— calculate how much change to give rne— calculate how much change to give the customer— calculate how much change to give the customer when they give us give the customer when they give uo nono— give the customer when they give uo noso nno— give the customer when they give uo noso no n— give the customer when they give us £0.50 and it was— give the customer when they give us £0.50 and it was for £0.37, you— us £0.50 and it was for £0.37, you know.— us £0.50 and it was for £0.37, you know. nu— us £0.50 and it was for £0.37, you know, all those experiences i you know, all those experiences rrnrnk— you know, all those experiences rrnrnk ne— you know, all those experiences i think are really— you know, all those experiences i think are really significant eonuoe— i think are really significant because they,— i think are really significant because they, they do remind me

of because they, they do remind me or vvnnr— because they, they do remind me or vvnnr n— because they, they do remind me or vvnnr n vvno— because they, they do remind me of what it was like— because they, they do remind me of what it was like to live in a onop. — of what it was like to live in a onop. r— of what it was like to live in a onop. r never— of what it was like to live in a shop. i never thought about it nuon— shop. i never thought about it nuon nr— shop. i never thought about it nuon nr rne— shop. i never thought about it much at the time, but it was rnere— much at the time, but it was rnere ony— much at the time, but it was rnere nny nno— much at the time, but it was there day and night. we never renuy— there day and night. we never entry per— there day and night. we never renuy eon nvvny— there day and night. we never really got away. family income nno— really got away. family income and business— really got away. family income and business income is really interconnected.— and business income is really interconnected. an issue that i oeelror— interconnected. an issue that i oeelror ronny— interconnected. an issue that i seellot today and- interconnected. an issue that i see lot today and if the see a lot today and if the rnniy— see a lot today and if the rnniy n— see a lot today and if the family if the— see a lot today and if the family if the business isn't none— family if the business isn't doing war,— family if the business isn't doing well, nor— family if the business isn't doing well, nor is the family . r— doing well, nor is the family income , i found— doing well, nor is the family income , i found out later income, i found out later eonuoe— income, i found out later peonuoe your— income, i found out later because your parents never rnrken— because your parents never rnrken ro— because your parents never talked to you— because your parents never talked to you about these minno— talked to you about these things-were- talked to you about these things. were almost things. but we were almost nrvvnyo— things. but we were almost always overdrawn. know, always overdrawn. you know, it's the always overdrawn. you know, it's nne-ony— always overdrawn. you know, it's nne-vvny ve— always overdrawn. you know, it's the-why we never- always overdrawn. you know, it's the why we never had a the reason why we never had a rnniy— the reason why we never had a rnnuy nonnny— the reason why we never had a family holiday when we were younge— family holiday when we were young. nno— family holiday when we were young. nno ou— family holiday when we were young, had our family holiday vvno-rup— young, had our family holiday vvno-nip ro— young, had our family holiday was-trip to the- young, had our family holiday was trip to the seaside on was a day trip to the seaside on the was a day trip to the seaside on no nupuor— was a day trip to the seaside on the august bank— was a day trip to the seaside on the august bank holiday. and we uoen— the august bank holiday. and we uoen ro— the august bank holiday. and we uoen ro nnke— the august bank holiday. and we used to make a— the august bank holiday. and we used to make a packed lunch in the used to make a packed lunch in nne-nno— used to make a packed lunch in nne-nno n— used to make a packed lunch in the -and it would- the morning. and it would be no— the morning. and it would be no vvnere— the morning. and it would be this whole-thing- the morning. and it would be this whole thing where this whole exciting thing where we this whole exciting thing where vve-on— this whole exciting thing where vve-onln- this whole exciting thing where. we - off. a, - know, we would go off for a, you know, forlfew— we would go off for a, you know, forlfew noo— we would go off for a, you know, forlfew hours. my— we would go off for a, you know, for few hours. my dad would for a few hours. my dad would pron— for a few hours. my dad would pron n— for a few hours. my dad would pick a different— for a few hours. my dad would pick a different seaside that we nnnn-r— pick a different seaside that we hadn't-before,- pick a different seaside that we hadn't-before, but- hadn't been to before, but and i rnouenr— hadn't been to before, but and i never thought about it. but that was never thought about it. but that rnnr— never thought about it. but that rnnr vvno— never thought about it. but that was that was our— never thought about it. but that was that was our reality, you know.— was that was our reality, you knee-one— was that was our reality, you knee-one or— was that was our reality, you know, one of those kids know, i was one of those kids rnnr— know, i was one of those kids rnnr propnpry— know, i was one of those kids that probably didn't outside that probably didn't go outside of that probably didn't go outside or—nie— that probably didn't go outside or—nie rn— that probably didn't go outside of_mile in which. that probably didn't go outside of mile in which they of the square mile in which they rivet— of the square mile in which they uven nno— of the square mile in which they uven nnn rne— of the square mile in which they lived and the-in— of the square mile in which they lived and the in which lived and the way in which a onnn— lived and the way in which a small business— lived and the way in which a small business and running that in n— small business and running that in n oonnunrry— small business and running that in a community takes in a community really takes the vvnere— in a community really takes the vvnere-rnniy— in a community really takes the whole-family-is- in a community really takes the whole family is part whole of the family and is part of whole of the family and is part or-nre— whole of the family and is part or-ure ro— whole of the family and is part of-life is one— whole of the family and is part of-life is one of- whole of the family and is part of life is one of the

of your life is one of the reasons why— of your life is one of the reasons why i- of your life is one of the reasons why i think we need to rnke— reasons why i think we need to rnke rnniy— reasons why i think we need to take family businesses and oonnunrry— take family businesses and community their community businesses and their neeno— community businesses and their needs more seriously needs so much more seriously eonuoe— needs so much more seriously because-on the- needs so much more seriously because on the front because they are on the front nne— because they are on the front nne nno— because they are on the front nne nnn rney— because they are on the front line and they need government line and they do need government ouppon— line and they do need government ouppon-rney— line and they do need government ouppon-rney-ro-rnl support and they ought to be, in my vrevv— support and they ought to be, in my vrevv-rne— support and they ought to be, in my view,.the heart- support and they ought to be, in my view, the heart of any my view, at the heart of any pinn— my view, at the heart of any pin for— my view, at the heart of any plan for growth— my view, at the heart of any plan for growth of our high orreero— plan for growth of our high streets communities. streets and our communities. nne— streets and our communities. nne-rne— streets and our communities. . and -the-consumers and you have the word consumers in your job title. now any consumer right now is feeling pred consumer right now is feeling ripped off every time they leave the house open a bill. how are you going to help them? consumers are right to feel nppen— consumers are right to feel nppen on— consumers are right to feel ripped off and_ consumers are right to feel ripped off and we have got a government— ripped off and we have got a government under which we have n vvenkenrnp— government under which we have seen a weakening of consumer proreorrono— seen a weakening of consumer proreorrono .— seen a weakening of consumer proreorrono . n— seen a weakening of consumer protections . if you take as one protections. if you take as one evnnpte— protections. if you take as one evnnpre. rne — protections. if you take as one example, the cuts— protections. if you take as one example, the cuts to our trading ornnnnrno— example, the cuts to our trading standards teams— example, the cuts to our trading standards teams ,_ example, the cuts to our trading standards teams , you've seen a standards teams, you've seen a ouro— standards teams, you've seen a ouro or— standards teams, you've seen a ouro or ove— standards teams, you've seen a ouro or so.— standards teams, you've seen a cuts of over 50. if— standards teams, you've seen a cuts of over 50. if you look at or— cuts of over 50. if you look at or rne— cuts of over 50. if you look at some of the challenges we've got nonr— some of the challenges we've got nenr no— some of the challenges we've got nenr ne— some of the challenges we've got right now, new challenges of vnpeo— right now, new challenges of vnpeo on— right now, new challenges of vapes on our on— right now, new challenges of vapes on our on our high streets rnnr— vapes on our on our high streets rnnr ne— vapes on our on our high streets rnnr you— vapes on our on our high streets that are, you know,— vapes on our on our high streets that are, you know, a third of nnon— that are, you know, a third of vvnron ne— that are, you know, a third of which are not— that are, you know, a third of which are not meeting the ourrenr— which are not meeting the current tobacco - which are not meeting the current tobacco regulation laws. vou— current tobacco regulation laws. you know.— current tobacco regulation laws. you know. rnro— current tobacco regulation laws. you know, this is— current tobacco regulation laws. you know, this is in part eonuoe— you know, this is in part because we've- you know, this is in part because we've got porous nornero. — because we've got porous nornero. vre— because we've got porous borders. we do- because we've got porous borders. we do not have the oneoko— borders. we do not have the checks that— borders. we do not have the checks that we _ borders. we do not have the checks that we need . we do not

checks that we need. we do not nnve— checks that we need. we do not nnve rne— checks that we need. we do not have the infrastructure. we rnererore.— have the infrastructure. we therefore, we've _ have the infrastructure. we therefore, we've got unsafe pronuoro— therefore, we've got unsafe pronuoro rn— therefore, we've got unsafe products in our— therefore, we've got unsafe products in our communities. but noo— products in our communities. but no rne— products in our communities. but no no ooueo— products in our communities. but also the issues come wider than rnnr— also the issues come wider than rnnr eonuoe— also the issues come wider than that because when— also the issues come wider than that because when you go online, rnere-o— that because when you go online, rnere-o n— that because when you go online, rnere-o n tor— that because when you go online, there's a lot of— that because when you go online, there's a lot of people do with men— there's a lot of people do with rnerr onopprnp— there's a lot of people do with their shopping online. there are rnrnto— their shopping online. there are rnrnto ooueo— their shopping online. there are major issues with— their shopping online. there are major issues with things like rnke— major issues with things like fake reviews— major issues with things like fake reviews where people are buying— fake reviews where people are buying pronuoro— fake reviews where people are buying products that aren't what rney— buying products that aren't what rney ne— buying products that aren't what they are expected— buying products that aren't what they are expected to be. they non-r— they are expected to be. they non-r nnve— they are expected to be. they don't have that— they are expected to be. they don't have that consumer epeene— don't have that consumer epeene .— don't have that consumer experience . so- don't have that consumer experience . so the government's experience. so the government's peen— experience. so the government's peen rnr— experience. so the government's peen rnr roo— experience. so the government's been far too slow— experience. so the government's been far too slow at bringing in rnke— been far too slow at bringing in rnke revrevvo— been far too slow at bringing in fake reviews. and— been far too slow at bringing in fake reviews. and the new bill rnnr-o— fake reviews. and the new bill rnnr-o oonrne— fake reviews. and the new bill that's coming into parliament now— that's coming into parliament rnnr— that's coming into parliament now, now that i'm working on the nrprrnr— now, now that i'm working on the digital markets— now, now that i'm working on the digital markets competition and consumers bill,— digital markets competition and consumers bill, i— digital markets competition and consumers bill, i absolutely eerreve— consumers bill, i absolutely eerreve nno— consumers bill, i absolutely believe has tackle that issue believe has to tackle that issue eonuoe— believe has to tackle that issue because consumers are paying a lot because consumers are paying a tor rnroe— because consumers are paying a tor rnnn— because consumers are paying a lot more than they— because consumers are paying a lot more than they should for eoono— lot more than they should for goods-of— lot more than they should for goods-of these- lot more than they should for goods of these fake goods because of these fake revrevvoleur— goods because of these fake reviews but subscription reviews, but also subscription rrnpo— reviews, but also subscription rrnpo .— reviews, but also subscription rrnpo. r— reviews, but also subscription rrnpo. r rnenn— reviews, but also subscription traps , i mean, which estimates traps, i mean, which estimates rnnr— traps, i mean, which estimates that citizens— traps, i mean, which estimates that citizens advice that this oourn— that citizens advice that this oourn ee— that citizens advice that this could be costing— that citizens advice that this could be costing over £300 mitten— could be costing over £300 million n— could be costing over £300 million a year— could be costing over £300 million a year in- could be costing over £300 million a year in people buying pronuoro— million a year in people buying pronuoro rnnr— million a year in people buying products that they don't want. and— products that they don't want. and rnere-o— products that they don't want. and there's got— products that they don't want. and there's got to be a rrpnrenrne— and there's got to be a tightening up of those rules nne— tightening up of those rules the n— tightening up of those rules nine in rne— tightening up of those rules like in the way— tightening up of those rules like in the way that labour's onuen— like in the way that labour's onuen nor. — like in the way that labour's called for. so— like in the way that labour's called for. so you have much epr— called for. so you have much opr rn— called for. so you have much more opt in rather than being opting— more opt in rather than being oprrnp our.—

more opt in rather than being opting out, cancel having to onnoer— opting out, cancel having to onnoer nu— opting out, cancel having to cancel all so— opting out, cancel having to cancel all so things should be none— cancel all so things should be none vvrrn— cancel all so things should be done with people's permission enn— done with people's permission with transparent— done with people's permission with transparent u.s. done with people's permission with transparent us. and we with transparent u.s. and we need— with transparent us. and we need nuon— with transparent u.s. and we need much more— with transparent us. and we need much more clarity over and oennrnry— need much more clarity over and oennrnry ove— need much more clarity over and certainty over how— need much more clarity over and certainty over how people are pene— certainty over how people are being onnrpen— certainty over how people are being charged and protection for consumers around— being charged and protection for consumers around that. \rr:rri consumers around that. now, we ornrren— consumers around that. now, we ornrren onro— consumers around that. now, we started this interview by talking about your dad. he is no longer with us. he had cancer , longer with us. he had cancer, died nearly a decade ago. we what sort of caring role did you have ? kyiv towards the end of have? kyiv towards the end of his life, i guess . well, i had his life, i guess. well, i had onnnp— his life, i guess. well, i had onnnp rooeo— his life, i guess. well, i had caring roles both— his life, i guess. well, i had caring roles both for- 2 2 �*7: 3 well, i had caring roles both for my father in no— caring roles both for my father in his cancer— caring roles both for my father in his cancer ,_ caring roles both for my father in his cancer , but— caring roles both for my father in his cancer , but also my in his cancer, but also my nomen— in his cancer, but also my mother, who— in his cancer, but also my mother, who had three strokes, nno— mother, who had three strokes, no one— mother, who had three strokes, and she passed— mother, who had three strokes, and she passed away last last yen.— and she passed away last last yenr. r— and she passed away last last yenr. r rnrnk— and she passed away last last year. i think what's what people underestimate— year. i think what's what people underestimate when you have kyiv a underestimate when you have kyiv n rnernenr— underestimate when you have kyiv n rnerneer or— underestimate when you have kyiv a member of the— underestimate when you have kyiv a member of the family that's got rernrnnr— a member of the family that's got terminal is— a member of the family that's got terminal is terminal illness or ure— got terminal is terminal illness or life changing— got terminal is terminal illness or life changing illnesses , how or life changing illnesses, how nuon— or life changing illnesses, how nuon n— or life changing illnesses, how much it takes— or life changing illnesses, how much it takes from the rest of rne— much it takes from the rest of no entry.— much it takes from the rest of the family, how— much it takes from the rest of the family, how much you have to juggle— the family, how much you have to tuppre nu— the family, how much you have to tuppre nu your— the family, how much you have to juggle all your work and your nne— juggle all your work and your one nno— juggle all your work and your one not your— juggle all your work and your time and your energy and your rnniy— time and your energy and your own family commitments and i rernernern vvnen— own family commitments and i remember when he was diagnosed

uoen— remember when he was diagnosed uoen you— remember when he was diagnosed uoen you know.— remember when he was diagnosed used you know, when the families roto— used you know, when the families rorn rnere— used you know, when the families told there was— used you know, when the families told there was a— used you know, when the families told there was a lot— used you know, when the families told there was a lot of time rnnr— told there was a lot of time rnnr vvenr— told there was a lot of time that went in— told there was a lot of time that went in trying to make life tuor— that went in trying to make life tuor n— that went in trying to make life tuor n on— that went in trying to make life just a bit easier— that went in trying to make life just a bit easier for my father. nno— just a bit easier for my father. and my— just a bit easier for my father. and my mother,— just a bit easier for my father. and my mother, you know, taking him and my mother, you know, taking nrn ro— and my mother, you know, taking trim to rne— and my mother, you know, taking him to the hospital— him to the hospital appointments, juggling that with being— appointments, juggling that with being rn— appointments, juggling that with being in parliament, i would yo-yo_ being in parliament, i would yo—yo sometimes twice a day, nnon— yo—yo sometimes twice a day, vvnron nenno— yo—yo sometimes twice a day, which means going from the oonorrruenoy— which means going from the constituency to— which means going from the constituency to parliament and nnon— constituency to parliament and enok nno— constituency to parliament and back and then— constituency to parliament and back and then into parliament. nno— back and then into parliament. nno vvnen— back and then into parliament. nno vvnen vre— back and then into parliament. and when we had— back and then into parliament. and when we had late night oeor— and when we had late night oeor nno— and when we had late night votes. and so— and when we had late night votes. and so on,- and when we had late night votes. and so on, i would if he rn— votes. and so on, i would if he was in hospital,— votes. and so on, i would if he was in hospital, be— votes. and so on, i would if he was in hospital, be going into nooprrnr— was in hospital, be going into nooprrnr on— was in hospital, be going into nooprrnr on my— was in hospital, be going into hospital on my way back, whether it hospital on my way back, whether in vvno— hospital on my way back, whether in o — hospital on my way back, whether in 9 or— hospital on my way back, whether in 9 or ro— hospital on my way back, whether it was 9 or 10 at— hospital on my way back, whether it was 9 or 10 at night, just to oneok— it was 9 or 10 at night, just to oneok up— it was 9 or 10 at night, just to oneok up on— it was 9 or 10 at night, just to check up on how— it was 9 or 10 at night, just to check up on how things were and, you know— check up on how things were and, you knovv .— check up on how things were and, you know . tuor— check up on how things were and, you know . tuor ony— check up on how things were and, you know , just say good night, you know, just say good night, you— you know, just say good night, you know— you know, just say good night, you knovv .— you know, just say good night, you know , some— you know, just say good night, you know , some of the basics and you know, some of the basics and i you know, some of the basics and rrnrnk— you know, some of the basics and rrnrnk nr— you know, some of the basics and i think at those— you know, some of the basics and i think at those times, you also nnve— i think at those times, you also nnve ro— i think at those times, you also nnve ro nnoe— i think at those times, you also have to take care— i think at those times, you also have to take care of the partner . nno— have to take care of the partner . and my— have to take care of the partner . one my mum— have to take care of the partner . and my mum stopped looking nrrer— . and my mum stopped looking after herself— . and my mum stopped looking after herself because she's so roouooen— after herself because she's so roouooen on— after herself because she's so focussed on on— after herself because she's so focussed on on my dad and in some ways that— focussed on on my dad and in some ways that cumulative impact n penoe— some ways that cumulative impact n period or— some ways that cumulative impact over a period of months led to or— over a period of months led to or rne— over a period of months led to some of the health conditions rnnr— some of the health conditions rnnr rnnr— some of the health conditions that that also _ some of the health conditions that that also led to her orrokeo— that that also led to her strokes in,— that that also led to her strokes in, in— that that also led to her strokes in, in due course. and so strokes in, in due course. and oo rne— strokes in, in due course. and oo rne vvny— strokes in, in due course. and oo rne vvny 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nno— think about care, in my view, nnn rne— think about care, in my view, no no vvny— think about care, in my view, and the way we— think about care, in my view, and the way we have to think neour— and the way we have to think neour nnvrnp— and the way we have to think about having some greater flexibility— about having some greater flexibility to _ about having some greater flexibility to reduce the stress on rne— flexibility to reduce the stress on the carers— flexibility to reduce the stress on the carers with the work they onu— on the carers with the work they orru nnve— on the carers with the work they orru nnve ro— on the carers with the work they still have to do— on the carers with the work they still have to do and the work rney— still have to do and the work rney onu— still have to do and the work they still want— still have to do and the work they still want to _ still have to do and the work they still want to do is really rnponnnr— they still want to do is really rnponnnr nor— they still want to do is really important for how we design a oyoren— important for how we design a care system that's— important for how we design a care system that's fit for the vvorkroroe— care system that's fit for the workforce and _ care system that's fit for the workforce and the society that we nnve— workforce and the society that we nnve ronny— workforce and the society that we have today and of tomorrow . i we have today and of tomorrow. i rnrnk— we have today and of tomorrow. i rnrnk vvrrn— we have today and of tomorrow. i think with slightly— we have today and of tomorrow. i think with slightly different epeene— think with slightly different experience with my mother, with her experience with my mother, with nor orrokeo— experience with my mother, with her strokes and_ experience with my mother, with her strokes and that was much rnrenoe— her strokes and that was much more intense when it came to, you— more intense when it came to, you know.— more intense when it came to, you know. ner— more intense when it came to, you know, her last— more intense when it came to, you know, her last days. i think it you know, her last days. i think in vvno— you know, her last days. i think in very— you know, her last days. i think it was very different because one — it was very different because one nno— it was very different because one no ro— it was very different because she had to be— it was very different because she had to be at— it was very different because she had to be at home with 24 over seven care.— she had to be at home with 24 over seven care. and so this was at over seven care. and so this was nr rne— over seven care. and so this was nr rne onnn— over seven care. and so this was nr no on or— over seven care. and so this was at the start of last— over seven care. and so this was at the start of last year where you-re— at the start of last year where youe nnvrnp— at the start of last year where you're having to— at the start of last year where you're having to set up people vvno— you're having to set up people vvno ne— you're having to set up people who are strangers— you're having to set up people who are strangers going into your— who are strangers going into your rnniy— who are strangers going into your family home, your parents none— your family home, your parents none vvrrn— your family home, your parents home with your— your family home, your parents home with your mum on her own, nno— home with your mum on her own, not ounnenry— home with your mum on her own, and suddenly faced— home with your mum on her own, and suddenly faced with a bill of and suddenly faced with a bill or noooo— and suddenly faced with a bill or noooo n— and suddenly faced with a bill of £8,000 a month because you nnve— of £8,000 a month because you nnve ro— of £8,000 a month because you nnve ro pny— of £8,000 a month because you nnve ro pnylrnnr— of £8,000 a month because you have to pay that care day have to pay for that care day nno— have to pay for that care day no nann— have to pay for that care day no nan-you- have to pay for that care day and night. you know, for and night. and, you know, for rne— and night. and, you know, for no tron— and night. and, you know, for the first six— and night. and, you know, for the first six weeks after the it oooo— the first six weeks after the it oooo n— the first six weeks after the it was 8000 a month, that was the pin — was 8000 a month, that was the pin nno— was 8000 a month, that was the pin nno rnnr— was 8000 a month, that was the bill. and that was— was 8000 a month, that was the bill. and that was including me none— bill. and that was including me doing overnight— bill. and that was including me doing overnight three nights a week.— doing overnight three nights a

week. and— doing overnight three nights a week. and then— doing overnight three nights a week. and then other family rnerneroe— week. and then other family members coming in for a few no — members coming in for a few no nur— members coming in for a few hours. but £8,000 wouldn't be unnenrn— hours. but £8,000 wouldn't be unnenrn or— hours. but £8,000 wouldn't be unheard of for— hours. but £8,000 wouldn't be unheard of for a— hours. but £8,000 wouldn't be unheard of for a month and rnnr-o— unheard of for a month and one vvrrn— unheard of for a month and that's with extra— unheard of for a month and that's with extra family support eonuoe— that's with extra family support penuoe you— that's with extra family support because you have— that's with extra family support because you have day and night . nno— because you have day and night . nno oo— because you have day and night care . and so it— because you have day and night care . and so it was— because you have day and night care . and so it was juggling care. and so it was juggling rnnr— care. and so it was juggling rnnr nno— care. and so it was juggling that and making sure that she on nonre— that and making sure that she was on board with it all. it pene— was on board with it all. it eene very— was on board with it all. it became very stressful for her penuoe you — became very stressful for her because, you know, she knew it you— because, you know, she knew it you know.— because, you know, she knew it you know. no— because, you know, she knew it was, you know, as my dad's onvrnpo— was, you know, as my dad's onvrnpo rnnr— was, you know, as my dad's savings that was— was, you know, as my dad's savings that was going towards her savings that was going towards ner nur— savings that was going towards her care. but it— savings that was going towards her care. but it was very orreoorur— her care. but it was very stressful on— her care. but it was very- stressful on -everything stressful on top of everything eroe— stressful on top of everything eroe ro— stressful on top of everything eroe ro-novv— stressful on top of everything else to how much it was else to know how much it was oootnp— else to know how much it was ooorrne. so— else to know how much it was ooorrne. so r— else to know how much it was costing. so i think— else to know how much it was costing. so i think but i think peyonn— costing. so i think but i think peyonn nno.— costing. so i think but i think beyond that, it— costing. so i think but i think beyond that, it was also how do you— beyond that, it was also how do you nuon— beyond that, it was also how do you rruor people— beyond that, it was also how do you trust people who are coming in? you trust people who are coming inn-men— you trust people who are coming inn-rnen were- you trust people who are coming in?-them were new- you trust people who are coming in? them were new then. in? some of them were new then. rnere-o— in? some of them were new then. there's instability— in? some of them were new then. there's instability the there's instability with the vvorkroroe. — there's instability with the workforce. the _ there's instability with the workforce. the retraining, the nnnnp—eor- making, sure they've got ourrurnr— making, sure they've got cultural awareness how cultural awareness as well, how one— cultural awareness as well, how one ooeo— cultural awareness as well, how one uneo ner— cultural awareness as well, how she likes her food,— cultural awareness as well, how she likes her food, what the different— she likes her food, what the different food _ she likes her food, what the different food is, and so on. so nnny— different food is, and so on. so nnny rnrneo— different food is, and so on. so many things need— different food is, and so on. so many things need be taken many things need to be taken inro— many things need to be taken into-nor— many things need to be taken into-nor n— many things need to be taken into-for a proper- many things need to be taken into for a proper care into account for a proper care oyoren — into account for a proper care oyoren rn— into account for a proper care oyoren rn ou— into account for a proper care system in our country, but it rnuenr— system in our country, but it nuon—tenn- system in our country, but it taught—deal. i'mi system in our country, but it- taught_deal. i'm very taught me a great deal. i'm very nonunnre— taught me a great deal. i'm very nonunnre r— taught me a great deal. i'm very fortunate i-chance- taught me a great deal. i'm very fortunate i chance to fortunate i had the chance to root— fortunate i had the chance to root nrrer— fortunate i had the chance to look after them— fortunate i had the chance to look after them their final look after them in their final nnyo— look after them in their final nnyo nur— look after them in their final days, but.does_ look after them in their final days, but does really take a days, but it does really take a vvnere— days, but it does really take a vvnere rnniy— days, but it does really take a whole family to _ days, but it does really take a whole family to look after

someone you— whole family to look after someone you when whole family to look after- someone you -when they're someone you know, when they're outer. — someone you know, when they're order. .n— someone you know, when they're older. - a whole _ someone you know, when they're older. a whole health system older. and a whole health system rnnr— older. and a whole health system rnnr-ne— older. and a whole health system rnnr-ee penen- older. and a whole health system that-be geared up- older. and a whole health system that be geared up to that needs to be geared up to entry— that needs to be geared up to. renuy—nor really understand the needs, not just really understand the needs, not tun-outer— really understand the needs, not just-older person,- really understand the needs, not just older person, but just of the older person, but noo— just of the older person, but no rne— just of the older person, but also the families. /r:r2. 2r: just of the older person, but also the families. /r:.r2. 2r: also the families. you're of rnnrnn— also the families. you're of indian descent. have you ever experienced racism in your life ? ihave experienced racism in your life ? i have experienced racism in my— ? i have experienced racism in my tire.— ? i have experienced racism in my rne- vre— ? i have experienced racism in my ure. vve ne— ? i have experienced racism in my life. we are of— 7’ i have experienced racism in my life. we are of indian nonope— my life. we are of indian heritage, but— my life. we are of indian heritage, but i- my life. we are of indian heritage, but i was born in hammersmith_ heritage, but i was born in hammersmith and grew up in nounorovv— hammersmith and grew up in hounslow and_ hammersmith and grew up in hounslow and i'd look, there are some experiences— hounslow and i'd look, there are some experiences that i know young— some experiences that i know young pewte— some experiences that i know young people in_ some experiences that i know young people in my constituency are young people in my constituency onu— young people in my constituency are still facing— young people in my constituency are still facing .— young people in my constituency are still facing . this was when are still facing. this was when i are still facing. this was when r nouro.— are still facing. this was when r nouro. you— are still facing. this was when i would, you know, we would go nonn— i would, you know, we would go down rne— i would, you know, we would go down the local— i would, you know, we would go down the local high streets. i nouro— down the local high streets. i would evpeor— down the local high streets. i would expect as— down the local high streets. i would expect as a child to be someone would— would expect as a child to be someone would spit at us or oonernrne— someone would spit at us or something would be thrown in our way something would be thrown in our vvny or— something would be thrown in our vvny or mere— something would be thrown in our way or there would— something would be thrown in our way or there would be some sort of way or there would be some sort or oornrnenr— way or there would be some sort or oornrnenr .— way or there would be some sort of comment . it— way or there would be some sort of comment . it happens at bus of comment. it happens at bus onopo— of comment. it happens at bus oropo .— of comment. it happens at bus oropo . n— of comment. it happens at bus stops. it happens— of comment. it happens at bus stops. it happens sometimes in oonoor— stops. it happens sometimes in oonoor nnn— stops. it happens sometimes in oonoor no you— stops. it happens sometimes in school and you know, it just, i rnrnn— school and you know, it just, i rnrnn nnoe— school and you know, it just, i think, made us— school and you know, it just, i think, made us as— school and you know, it just, i think, made us as a family , just think, made us as a family, just be think, made us as a family, just no n— think, made us as a family, just no n unre— think, made us as a family, just be a little bit— think, made us as a family, just be a little bit more— think, made us as a family, just be a little bit more insular. vou— be a little bit more insular. you know.— be a little bit more insular. you know. my— be a little bit more insular. you know, my parents weren't so oonronnnre— you know, my parents weren't so comfortable with— you know, my parents weren't so comfortable with us going out nnn— comfortable with us going out not knowing— comfortable with us going out and knowing where we were going and knowing where we were going nnn rnooe— and knowing where we were going nnn rnooe oono—

and knowing where we were going and those sorts of— and knowing where we were going and those sorts of things. and our— and those sorts of things. and our in— and those sorts of things. and our in nnn— and those sorts of things. and but it and then— and those sorts of things. and but it and then when you get outer.— but it and then when you get order. you— but it and then when you get older, you know— but it and then when you get older, you know ,_ but it and then when you get older, you know , it's still older, you know, it's still rnere— older, you know, it's still rnere rn— older, you know, it's still there in different ways. when i got ereoren— there in different ways. when i got ereoren rn— there in different ways. when i got elected in my— there in different ways. when i got elected in my by—election in at got elected in my by—election in n rne— got elected in my by—election in n rne enn— got elected in my by—election in n no end or— got elected in my by—election in at the end of 2011,— got elected in my by—election in at the end of 2011, the bnp onooe— at the end of 2011, the bnp oroon n— at the end of 2011, the bnp stood a candidate and they had a big terry— stood a candidate and they had a big tony on— stood a candidate and they had a big lorry on feltham high street vvnere— big lorry on feltham high street vvnere rney— big lorry on feltham high street where they bled— big lorry on feltham high street where they bled out not to vote for seenn— where they bled out not to vote for seema because— where they bled out not to vote for seema because she's got two pnoopono— for seema because she's got two pnoopono no— for seema because she's got two passports now i've— for seema because she's got two passports now i've only ever had pnoopon— passports now i've only ever had pnoopon nnn— passports now i've only ever had one passport and it's british nnn— one passport and it's british no r— one passport and it's british no r vvno— one passport and it's british and i was born— one passport and it's british and i was born in hammersmith nooprrnr— and i was born in hammersmith nooprrnr .— and i was born in hammersmith nooprrnr . nur— and i was born in hammersmith hospital . but what can you do on hospital. but what can you do on ereorron— hospital. but what can you do on ereorron ony— hospital. but what can you do on election day when— hospital. but what can you do on election day when you have you know.— election day when you have you know. ouon— election day when you have you know, such hostility and unrrurno— know, such hostility and untruths ?_ know, such hostility and untruths ? you know, on the one untruths? you know, on the one nnn— untruths? you know, on the one nnnn. you— untruths? you know, on the one nnnn. you know.— untruths? you know, on the one hand, you know, i— untruths? you know, on the one hand, you know, i was really nnpry— hand, you know, i was really nnery npour— hand, you know, i was really nnery npour n— hand, you know, i was really nnery npour n .— hand, you know, i was really angry about it . on the other angry about it. on the other nnn— angry about it. on the other nnnn. you— angry about it. on the other hand, you know,— angry about it. on the other hand, you know, as someone said to hand, you know, as someone said ro ne— hand, you know, as someone said no no on— hand, you know, as someone said no no on rne— hand, you know, as someone said no no on no ony— hand, you know, as someone said to me on the day, well, at least you— to me on the day, well, at least you onn-r— to me on the day, well, at least you onn-r nenr— to me on the day, well, at least you can't hear half— to me on the day, well, at least you can't hear half of what rney-re— you can't hear half of what rney-re onytnp— you can't hear half of what they're saying. but all they can all they're saying. but all they can nu nu— they're saying. but all they can nu nu nu— they're saying. but all they can all all all they— they're saying. but all they can all all all they can hear, all peopre— all all all they can hear, all people on— all all all they can hear, all people can hear— all all all they can hear, all people can hear is your name. so you—n— people can hear is your name. so you—it contributed| you know, whether it contributed to you know, whether it contributed ro-perrrnp — you know, whether it contributed to getting majority, to me getting a bigger majority, i to me getting a bigger majority, r-rnen— to me getting a bigger majority, r-rnen nur— to me getting a bigger majority, r-rnen our n— to me getting a bigger majority, i-idea. but it is,- to me getting a bigger majority, i idea. but it is, you i have no idea. but it is, you know.— i have no idea. but it is, you know,.different_ i have no idea. but it is, you know, different ways in know, in different ways in my onoevvory-r-n— know, in different ways in my casework i'm still casework that i'm also still oeerne— casework that i'm also still seeing racism _ casework that i'm also still seeing racism appearing, whether it's seeing racism appearing, whether rr-olenproynenr— it's in employment related issues or hostility issues or crime or hostility nerveen— issues or crime or hostilityi between _ racism issues or crime or hostility- between_racism is between neighbours, racism is very— between neighbours, racism is very orenr— between neighbours, racism is very open nnn— between neighbours, racism is very clear and apparent in so

nnny— very clear and apparent in so many different— very clear and apparent in so many different ways in our ooorery— many different ways in our ooorery .— many different ways in our ooorery . nnn— many different ways in our society , and we- many different ways in our society , and we need a zero society, and we need a zero rorernnoe— society, and we need a zero rorernnoe ro— society, and we need a zero tolerance to it.— society, and we need a zero tolerance to it. now �*fvr�*: society, and we need a zero tolerance to it. now �*fvr�*2r:2 tolerance to it. now when i was doing— tolerance to it. now when i was doing my research, started looking online and i found out that you share a name with somebody who was in the real housewives of cheshire has only been ever been any embarrassing moments . anybody ever confused moments. anybody ever confused you with her? well, it's been noorry— you with her? well, it's been noorry on— you with her? well, it's been mostly on twitter— 2:27 well, it's been mostly on twitter where occasionally— mostly on twitter where occasionally i- mostly on twitter where occasionally i get tweets saying nov— occasionally i get tweets saying novv genr— occasionally i get tweets saying now even one— occasionally i get tweets saying how great she looks and look, i'll how great she looks and look, in rornuy— how great she looks and look, i'll totally take— how great she looks and look, i'll totally take that one. and tuor— i'll totally take that one. and tuor ro— i'll totally take that one. and tuor ro ony— i'll totally take that one. and just to say that— i'll totally take that one. and just to say that i've never met herr— just to say that i've never met ner. eur— just to say that i've never met ner. our r-ve— just to say that i've never met her, but i've always wanted to. ermine.— her, but i've always wanted to. brilliant. seema— her, but i've always wanted to. brilliant. seema malhotra- her, but i've always wanted to. brilliant. seema malhotra .- her, but i've always wanted to. brilliant. seema malhotra . a brilliant. seema malhotra. a pleasure. thank you. lovely to join you . thanks for watching. join you. thanks for watching. back next sunday at six for gloria meets well . hello there. gloria meets well. hello there. i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your— i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your rnreor— i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your rnreor on— i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news— i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather. rooting— your latest gb news weather. rooting nr— your latest gb news weather. looking at the— your latest gb news weather. looking at the week ahead , we'll looking at the week ahead, we'll see rain or showers— looking at the week ahead, we'll see rain or showers at times , see rain or showers at times, our— see rain or showers at times, our men— see rain or showers at times, but there will— see rain or showers at times, but there will be— see rain or showers at times, but there will be some sunshine,

pnnrournrry— but there will be some sunshine, particularly towards the end of the particularly towards the end of no week— particularly towards the end of no net nnn— particularly towards the end of the week and temperatures will onnn— the week and temperatures will onno-no— the week and temperatures will ornn-no neu— the week and temperatures will ornn-no vveu .- the week and temperatures will start-as well . we- the week and temperatures will start as well . we can start to rise as well. we can oee-nroery— start to rise as well. we can oee-nroery on- start to rise as well. we can see-nicely on the- start to rise as well. we can see nicely on the bigger see that nicely on the bigger ptoture— see that nicely on the bigger prorure. ourre— see that nicely on the bigger picture, quite unsettled at the moment— picture, quite unsettled at the moment,-packed- picture, quite unsettled at the moment, packed isobars moment, tightly packed isobars rnnronrrne— moment, tightly packed isobars indicating quite— moment, tightly packed isobars indicating quite a— moment, tightly packed isobars indicating quite a brisk wind at rrneo— indicating quite a brisk wind at rrneo .— indicating quite a brisk wind at rrneo . nnn— indicating quite a brisk wind at rrneo . and you— indicating quite a brisk wind at times . and you see outbreaks times. and you can see outbreaks of times. and you can see outbreaks or-nur— times. and you can see outbreaks or-nur no— times. and you can see outbreaks or-nur no vre— times. and you can see outbreaks of but as we towards of rain. but as we move towards the of rain. but as we move towards nne-or— of rain. but as we move towards nne-or rne— of rain. but as we move towards the-of the week,— of rain. but as we move towards the-of the week, it- of rain. but as we move towards the of the week, it should the end of the week, it should oerrre— the end of the week, it should oerrre nonn— the end of the week, it should settle down a— the end of the week, it should settle down a little. so back to sunnny— settle down a little. so back to sunnny-nnn— settle down a little. so back to. sunday-and .continue sunday evening and we continue to sunday evening and we continue non—ooo rne- to have showers across the nonnern— to have showers across the nonnern-or— to have showers across the northern .of the - to have showers across the- northern .of the - plenty northern half of the uk. plenty of northern half of the uk. plenty or-opeuo— northern half of the uk. plenty of spells overnight , of clear spells overnight, runner— of clear spells overnight, further-and- of clear spells overnight, further and east, perhaps further south and east, perhaps pong..— further south and east, perhaps some longer spells of rain as neu— some longer spells of rain as well-northern- some longer spells of rain as well northern parts of well across northern parts of soorrnnn— well across northern parts of sound .— well across northern parts of scotland . and— well across northern parts of scotland . and generally scotland. and generally temperatures, towns and cities, revv— temperatures, towns and cities, rovv neutere— temperatures, towns and cities, low double figures , perhaps just low double figures, perhaps just a low double figures, perhaps just new— low double figures, perhaps just new open— low double figures, perhaps just new oporo rn— low double figures, perhaps just a few spots in the— low double figures, perhaps just a few spots in the countryside dipping— a few spots in the countryside nrpprnp inro— a few spots in the countryside dipping into single figures. but it dipping into single figures. but rr-nurre— dipping into single figures. but rr-nurre n— dipping into single figures. but it-quite a bright- dipping into single figures. but it quite a bright start it means quite a bright start for nonnny— it means quite a bright start for monday morning. yes, rnere-u— for monday morning. yes, there'll be— for monday morning. yes, there'll be from for monday morning. yes,- there'll be -from the there'll be showers from the worn— there'll be showers from the vvornorooonl— there'll be showers from the word across western areas. word 90 across western areas. sene— word 90 across western areas. sonelrneoe— word go across western areas. some these turning quite word go across western areas. some asthese turning quite word go across western areas. some as we ;e turning quite word go across western areas. some as we moveiing quite word go across western areas. some as we move throughe word go across western areas. some as we move through the heavy as we move through the any —ronper- heavy as we move through the. day. _longer spells day. perhaps some longer spells of day. perhaps some longer spells or—nonnern- day. perhaps some longer spells of_northern parts- day. perhaps some longer spells of northern parts of of rain across northern parts of vvnreo— of rain across northern parts of wales-northern— of rain across northern parts of wales northern england . at wales into northern england. at the wales into northern england. at nne—nno— wales into northern england. at the—this band- wales into northern england. ati the—this band-rain the same time, this band of rain oonrnuoe— the same time, this band of rain continues-sink- continues to slowly sink southwards _ continues to slowly sink southwards across northern soorrnnn.— southwards across northern scotland. quite— southwards across northern scotland. quite a breezy day, euoro— scotland. quite a breezy day, puoro or— scotland. quite a breezy day, puoro or oo— scotland. quite a breezy day, gusts of 30 miles an hour or so. so gusts of 30 miles an hour or so. so in— gusts of 30 miles an hour or so. so in vir— gusts of 30 miles an hour or so. so it will feel— gusts of 30 miles an hour or so. so it will feel quite— gusts of 30 miles an hour or so. so it will feel quite cool in nnn— so it will feel quite cool in no nounn— so it will feel quite cool in and around showers, top

temperatures— and around showers, top temperatures getting into the low temperatures getting into the row zoo— temperatures getting into the low 20s across— temperatures getting into the low 20s across the southeast by nonnny— low 20s across the southeast by nonnny evening.— low 20s across the southeast by monday evening. we continue to see showers across— monday evening. we continue to see showers across the southern nnn— see showers across the southern nnn or— see showers across the southern nnn or rne— see showers across the southern half of the uk.— see showers across the southern half of the uk. some of these nenvy— half of the uk. some of these nenvy nr— half of the uk. some of these heavy at times— half of the uk. some of these heavy at times that band rain heavy at times that band of rain onu— heavy at times that band of rain orru orovvry— heavy at times that band of rain still slowly pushing way still slowly pushing its way southwards— still slowly pushing its way southwards scotland and southwards across scotland and men— southwards across scotland and then overnight— southwards across scotland and then overnight into tuesday morning— then overnight into tuesday morning .— then overnight into tuesday morning . n— then overnight into tuesday morning , a more persistent spell morning, a more persistent spell of morning, a more persistent spell on rnn— morning, a more persistent spell on noooo— morning, a more persistent spell of rain across southern counties of rain across southern counties of england— of rain across southern counties or rnernnn nnn— of rain across southern counties of england and wales. here, temperatures— of england and wales. here, temperatures around 13 or 14 onorooo.— temperatures around 13 or 14 degrees, under— temperatures around 13 or 14 degrees, under clear skies runner— degrees, under clear skies further north,— degrees, under clear skies further north, perhaps dipping into single— further north, perhaps dipping into single figures. so a wet onnn— into single figures. so a wet on noooo— into single figures. so a wet start across southern counties of start across southern counties or rne— start across southern counties or no un— start across southern counties of the uk tuesday morning. this rnn— of the uk tuesday morning. this oupo— of the uk tuesday morning. this oupo nnny— of the uk tuesday morning. this rain slips away and then aenernuy— rain slips away and then generally it's— rain slips away and then generally it's a day of sunshine nnn— generally it's a day of sunshine nnn onovvero— generally it's a day of sunshine and showers across the whole of the and showers across the whole of no oounrry. — and showers across the whole of the country. some— and showers across the whole of the country. some of these could be nenvy— the country. some of these could be nenvy nr— the country. some of these could be heavy at times. _ the country. some of these could be heavy at times. perhaps the one— be heavy at times. perhaps the one rumore— be heavy at times. perhaps the odd rumble of— be heavy at times. perhaps the odd rumble of thunder and temperatures— odd rumble of thunder and temperatures again on the cool orde— temperatures again on the cool one nor— temperatures again on the cool one nor rne— temperatures again on the cool side for the time— temperatures again on the cool side for the time of year ornnrne— side for the time of year ornnrne ro— side for the time of year starting to dry- side for the time of year starting to dry up as we head rovvnrno— starting to dry up as we head rovvnrno rne— starting to dry up as we head towards the end— starting to dry up as we head towards the end of the week and renpernrureo— towards the end of the week and temperatures _to- towards the end of the week and temperatures to rise

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