and say a prayer go to church and say a prayer for it. in other news, we're going to be talking about this more cash for refugees. the latest opinion polling has dropped and get a load of this. the british public think that immigration is too high. in fact, even remainers do shock horror. i'm also going to be banging a lot about this. banging on a lot about this. idiots in scotland decided to boo the king. we will have a flyover during our time on air as well. you lucky, lucky people will try our best to take that live. and mick lynch is going to be on at some point. but we found a rare point of agreement with mick lynch. i'm actually really looking forward to this chat because we've got a don't kill cash campaign and apparently they're going do apparently they're going to do away offices that away with ticket offices that accept cash at train stations. and impacts, course, and this impacts, of course, predominantly elderly and we predominantly the elderly and we can't we.7 patrick can't have that, can we? patrick christys . gb news. yes, there we christys. gb news. yes, there we go. look straight forward today. do you think the nhs is a cult? doesit do you think the nhs is a cult? does it need urgent reform? of

course. happy birthday our beloved nhs gbviews@gbnews.com. now though, it's your headlines i >> -- >> hello. good afternoon from the gb newsroom. i'm tamsin roberts. it's 3:01 p day has been suspet needed on court 18 at wimbledon after two protest hours threw confetti at a jigsaw on the grass . hours threw confetti at a jigsaw on the grass. some hours threw confetti at a jigsaw on the grass . some spectators on the grass. some spectators booed as the activists ran onto the court , but the group says it the court, but the group says it targeted the tennis tournament because it signed a sponsorship deal with barclays bank. in a statement , just stop, oil said statement, just stop, oil said we can't leave it to the next generation to pick up the pieces earlier today. meanwhile, security staff at harrods also removed a group of protesters. just stop oil were pictured holding placards on an escalator in the luxury department store. video posts to the group's twitter account show staff evicting a photographer. it's

the latest in what has become almost daily stunts as the group calls for the government to end new fossil fuel licences . the new fossil fuel licences. the king is at saint giles cathedral in edinburgh, where he's being presented with the honours of scotland. the country's crown jewels, as part of the coronation celebrations , king coronation celebrations, king charles will receive a crown, a sceptre and a sword made of gold, silver and gems . the gold, silver and gems. the prince and princess of wales , prince and princess of wales, known as the duke and duchess of rothesay in scotland, are among those present at the event, as are the duke and duchess of edinburgh . the nhs has been edinburgh. the nhs has been described as a treasured national institution as it celebrates 75 years. but labour is warning the health service will die without further investment and modernisation . in investment and modernisation. in a record 7.4 million people are currently on waiting lists and the government has acknowledged the government has acknowledged the figure could get worse before it gets better for party

leaders. along with the duke and duchess of edinburgh are among those attending a special service at westminster abbey , service at westminster abbey, paying service at westminster abbey, paying tribute to staff . paying tribute to staff. earlier, the shadow health secretary, wes streeting , told secretary, wes streeting, told us the nhs is facing the worst crisis in its history and people who can't afford to go privately are being left behind . are being left behind. >> deeply angry about the two tier system we have in our country today, where those who can afford it are paying to go private and those who can't afford it are being left behind. my afford it are being left behind. my answer in the short my answer would be in the short term , where there is spare term, where there is spare capacity in the private sector, we should be paying for it on nhs terms so that people who can't afford it are getting it free at the point of use. that would be my answer. i've got no objection to using private sector capacity to get nhs waiting lists down faster for well, health minister maria caulfield, who is also a nurse , caulfield, who is also a nurse, says strike action is putting more pressure on the service . more pressure on the service. >> although we've got more people on the waiting list, the waiting times are coming down

and i think for most people who are waiting an operation or are waiting for an operation or are waiting for an operation or a how they a procedure, it's how long they wait. else is on that wait. not who else is on that waiting list. and we've eliminated the two year wait. we've virtually the we've virtually eliminated the 18 and now 18 month wait and we're now working those who are waiting working on those who are waiting for a year. so it's really important that we do that. and strike action doesn't help , to strike action doesn't help, to be honest. it does mean that procedures operations are procedures and operations are often cancelled. so that's why we do want the unions to come round the table and try and resolve for patients . resolve that for patients. >> anger over plans >> there's anger over plans which see closure of which would see the closure of almost railway station almost every railway station ticket office in england . the ticket office in england. the proposal, unveiled by the rail delivery group affects hundreds of stations with facilities is only expected to remain open at the busiest stations, disabled charities and unions are among those who voiced their concerns, saying it will impact vulnerable people and will lead to job losses . a decision on which losses. a decision on which offices will be closed will be made after a consultation process . schools across england process. schools across england have been forced to close or

restrict access to students with teachers walking off the job in a row over pay. it's their seventh strike. this year and unions have warned there'll be more action in the autumn if a deal can't be reached. as well as lessons. end of term events like school trips and sports days are also being disrupted . a days are also being disrupted. a birmingham teacher, teacher lesley quinlan, says both staff and students deserve better . and students deserve better. >> government aren't listening . >> government aren't listening. and we're going to keep doing this until they do so. we need to have a fully funded education system in this country. these children in these children deserve so much better than this. what this government is, is happening and what it's doing to them. it's been going on for way too many years. we need to put a stop to it now and fund their education in the captain tom foundation has halted donation options and payments following a charity watchdog investigation. >> it comes as planning bosses ordered the demolition of an

unauthorised building in captain tom's daughters home. hannah ingram—moore and her husband appued ingram—moore and her husband applied for permission to build applied for permission to build a captain tom foundation building in the grounds of their home in bedfordshire in 2021. an additional application for a building containing a spa and pool was refused by planning authorities . this is gb news. authorities. this is gb news. more headlines from me shortly. now, though, it's back to . patrick >> the n hs patrick >> the nhs is a cult. there i said it. it's a toe curling religious cult. just look at the absolute state of what our political leaders did today. they literally worshipped at the altar of our beloved nhs. they didn't attend pmqs so they could go to a church service at westminster abbey to mark its 75th birthday. there were

readings sunak from matthew come you that are blessed by my father inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world, for i was hungry and you gave me food . sir keir starmer reading from revelation. see the home of god is among mortals. he will dwell with them. they will be his peoples and god himself will be with them. he will wipe every tear from their eyes. never has the phrase jesus wept been more appropriate . a nurse who appropriate. a nurse who delivered the first vaccine out of a clinical trial carried the george cross into the abbey in a procession. the government will light buildings up in blue. starmer has written about what it means for his family. health secretary steve barclay called it our most treasured national possession he said , possession or whatever he said, happy dysfunctional, happy birthday, dysfunctional, inanimate public service. what a sickening load of rubbish. i look forward to westminster abbey being packed to the rafters to celebrate the birthday of hmrc where people

with offshore bank accounts are ritualistically flogged before a giant crucifix cash in hand. tradesmen are made to wear a crown of thorns and repent before the holy father bankers march towards the altar where they are greeted with a turin shroud style cloth with jeremy hunfs shroud style cloth with jeremy hunt's face on it. good lord god, give me strength , give me god, give me strength, give me strength. let's get scorching children to write letters to the nhs , thanking them for allowing nhs, thanking them for allowing them to be born. everybody, this evening can light a candle and put it in their window after they've taken part in the state mandated hour long clapper thon on of britain. if on the streets of britain. if you past anybody today who you walk past anybody today who works in our beloved nhs bowed down before them, spread the palm leaves in their path, wash their feet with holy water and say praise praise ye for ye say praise ye. praise ye for ye have cometh to rid the world of sickness and embrace us in your eternal light. meanwhile out in the real world, england is under pressure. nhs is reportedly facing a record bill for future medical negligence claims. the amount which will needed to amount which will be needed to settle claims risen

settle these claims has risen reportedly by 52% in a year to an astonishing £128.2 billion, more or less the entire annual budget of the nhs workers are out on strike every flipping week. people are leaving in their droves to go to australia , to which and i know this is radical, has a better for more modern system . how are those modern system. how are those record waiting times doing? anyone i will take inspiration now from our political leaders today and finish with a short prayer. dear lord, please bless us with politicians who have the balls to radically reform the national health service to stop us dying needlessly. because right now they're too busy pretending to worship it to actually fix this broken mess . actually fix this broken mess. well i want to hear from you on this gbviews@gbnews.com. let's speak immediately to our deputy political editor tom harwood , political editor tom harwood, who is outside st bart's in

london, which is the uk's oldest hospital. tom join me in a chorus of happy birthday to begin with. of course, it's only it's only fitting. but yes, the nhs is 75 today and our politicians decided to pray for it . it. >> they did indeed. it feels rather apt actually. here outside st bart's bart's a hospital that's almost a thousand odd years old since its foundation 1123 ad was the year that st bart's came to be as a hospital, albeit it was only nationalised covid 75 years ago. along with all the other hospitals in the land and the inception of the nhs . but it inception of the nhs. but it does feel apt here because whilst st bart's is behind me, i'm in the shadow of saint paups i'm in the shadow of saint paul's cathedral , which is i'm in the shadow of saint paul's cathedral, which is just down the road over there . so down the road over there. so perhaps religious service perhaps this religious service is more than one might is more apt than one might think, but it is an interesting day to have to look back on the last 75 years to see the original vision of the nhs, which was to some extent world

leading in the time it was introduced. it wasn't the first country in the world to deliver universal health care, but it did it in a very comprehensive live way. of course, prussia did a form of universal health care in the late 1800s. norway in the early 1900s, the united kingdom in 1948, we were among the first to deliver universal health care and the united kingdom has always felt like that is a sort of a mantle to hold something thatis of a mantle to hold something that is quite unique and quite special, although, of course, in the intervening 75 years, just about every other country developed country, i should say, in the world, has delivered some form or other of universal health care with notable exception being the united states. but it does seem somehow to have escaped a lot of the realm of political debate that indeed there are other countries now that do also deliver us health care, whether it be germany, france, the netherlands, australia , canada, netherlands, australia, canada, all the rest of them . i'm not

all the rest of them. i'm not sure that any of them have delivered a religious service for their universal system of health care. >> no, absolutely . and shame on >> no, absolutely. and shame on them. shame on them for not praising the nhs as a deity. just in terms of our beloved nhs . there are a few other systems out there that are now outperforming it and wes streeting. i noticed quite a while ago now said we stop . we while ago now said we stop. we need to stop treating the nhs like a religion like keir starmer pops up at church of course, and treats it like a religion. but just talk to me about of the alternative about some of the alternative systems are out there systems that are out there because at the i don't because at the moment i don't think it's working for the patients. clearly isn't patients. it clearly isn't working the staff are working for the staff that are in there. given that they feel underpaid undervalued to underpaid and undervalued and to some are. some extent they obviously are. and i just want to know what alternatives there are really . alternatives there are really. >> well, there are lots of different ways in which you can deliver universal health care. i think the starting point for any discussion about this would be

almost universally agreed amongst the people of the united kingdom , which is it must be a kingdom, which is it must be a system that covers everyone. no one wants to go down. the american route of leaving people without cover and giving people huge bills if they go to hospital. that is a system that no one in the world well, no one in the united kingdom would want to see. but i think that what is sometimes missing in this conversation and it's something that sajid javid, the former health secretary, has been alluding in last few days alluding to in the last few days as well. there aren't only two systems of health care in the world. it's not just the united states united kingdom. states and the united kingdom. there countries, there are lots of countries, particularly european countries, that deliver us health care, often free at the point of use, but do it in a different way. perhaps one example that feels is closer to home, even though it's the other side of the world, is australia , where world, is australia, where indeed lots of nhs practitioners are are thinking of moving to because they do pay their

medical professionals a lot better than we do in this country. one of the reasons they do isn't that there's more taxpayer money going into the australian health system. in fact, on a per person basis there is less money going into there is less money going into the australian health system from tax payers where the difference comes is that if you're a wealthy australian , you're a wealthy australian, you're a wealthy australian, you're likely to have private insurance and indeed there is a surcharge added to australian tax bills if they earn above 90,000 aud, they have a penalty. if they don't take out their own private insurance and so there's a much more competitive market and much more of rich people, frankly, putting money into that system as well, voluntarily . system as well, voluntarily. >> absolutely. tom, thank you very much. great way to kick off the show. tom harwood there gb news deputy political editor. now am joined very gratefully now i am joined very gratefully so bury, is nhs so by naomi bury, who is an nhs practise . naomi, thank you practise nurse. naomi, thank you very, very much. is beloved very, very much. is our beloved nhs working for you ? nhs working for you? >> oh no , not really. it's

>> oh no, not really. it's crazy. it's busy, it's understaffed and it's really hard work . hard work. >> i absolutely 100% look, would you support some kind of reform? i mean, how do you feel, right? how do you feel genuinely, as someone who works in the nhs pretty much every single day? i imagine. how do you feel about politicians standing up and alter and saying a prayer for but not actually really doing a huge amount to maybe fix some of the problems, not really helping us on the front line, not giving us on the front line, not giving us the staff, not giving us the money to be able to do the job that we need to do. >> so not the best answer they could take today. >> okay. all right . and so the >> okay. all right. and so the nhs has slipped from apparently the world's best health care system to the fourth. in a survey of the 11 wealthiest countries in the world. so we are fourth out of 11. it came only ninth in a comparison of health care outcomes, including things like early cancer

things like early deaths, cancer survival, deaths at birth, survival, baby deaths at birth, which actually are which actually we are particularly apparently particularly bad on, apparently for some reason. so what needs to be done ? i mean, would you be to be done? i mean, would you be in favour of i don't know. i mean, like rich people may be paying mean, like rich people may be paying taking the pressure paying and taking the pressure off that's an option off the nhs. that's an option that people are floating. tony blair's up about that blair's even piped up about that today mean i mean it could be an option. >> it could be an option like you've just been talking about australia have that australia where they have that people a certain for people pay a certain amount for private health care . maybe that private health care. maybe that is an option. we need to think about. never going about. there's never going to be the answer, there, the right answer, is there, patrick? going to ever patrick? no one's going to ever agree this should agree that this is what should be done but to access be done soon. but to access healthcare for those that can't access it at the moment, that's specifically really need it, then that is a route that then maybe that is a route that they look at. >> have you thought about moving abroad and yeah, i've got a cousin who's an enrolled nurse in australia and what's it like over there for them? um she's, yeah, she's very happy. >> she's very happy with her

hours. she's happy with her wage . and as an enrolled nurse , . and as an enrolled nurse, which is below my banding where i am, she earns more than i do and she does less hours, right? >> yes . okay. i mean, it and she does less hours, right? >> yes. okay. i mean, it is almost like other countries have almost like other countries have a more functional health system, isn't it? really but happy birthday nhs though . when you birthday nhs though. when you look at the situation that you're in now, look, you obviously do an incredible job. you work incredibly hard, incredibly long hours, very stressful , saving lives. you stressful, saving lives. you must see some horror shows as well as some some good things as well. can i just ask for something a little bit positive? i mean, what is the best thing about the nhs for you? what's the best thing about your job? >> do you know what can advocate for patients and said this morning in a tiktok video that did make every contact count , we did make every contact count, we may be the only person that patient so make patient sees all week, so make it count and it's fine. >> okay. lovely i mean, i certainly, i, i certainly do hope that if i am ever sick,

that i kind of come to after a concussion or something and see you standing there. i would feel definitely in safe hands. look, i've got i've got to ask you i've got to i've got to ask you this. i understand it might be a bit tricky for you to answer it, but hope appreciate. i do. but i hope you appreciate. i do. i have to it. we know i do have to ask it. we know that being run quite badly that it's being run quite badly politically. we know that, you know, there's issues when it comes money. et cetera. i comes to money. et cetera. and i know that lot staff know that a lot of staff are feel and undervalued, feel underpaid and undervalued, and a lot of the taxpayers out there think, well, look, we are pumping and pumping like billions and billions into the nhs billions of pounds into the nhs . money being well . is that money being well managed from within, do you think? some of the higher ups at the nhs are doing enough or are we blaming politicians. here >> yeah, that's really hard because we don't know what happens above in the kind of ivory tower, we're not quite sure, but maybe that is an area that needs to be looked at is what happens above and can we put any of that cash flow further down? >> yeah, i think i think that's

possibly something that there should more transparency on should be more transparency on as naomi, because, you as well, naomi, because, you know, have like this know, we have chats like this and absolutely. i mean, and yeah, absolutely. i mean, our politicians, i mean, right across board, i would argue across the board, i would argue pretty that pretty much anything that politics has at the moment politics has touch at the moment does particularly does not end particularly well. so by the fact so i can completely, by the fact they're doing that for they're not doing that well for they're not doing that well for the nhs and i understand that. but there to be a but i think there has to be a bit transparency as well of bit more transparency as well of like, are all paying like, right, we are all paying this amount for the nhs. is that money well spent and well money being well spent and well distributed i just distributed as well? but i just wonder or not our wonder whether or not our politicians just a too politicians are just a bit too afraid the kind of afraid to enact the kind of reform that we would need and then i see them all at a church service today and i think, yeah, they probably are a little bit afraid to do that because they have created a of have created a bit of a religion. but naomi, look, thank you much and thank you very you very much and thank you very much time. thank much for your time. thank you very much for everything that you for coming on and you do and for coming on and speaking to openly honestly. speaking to openly and honestly. and hope and good luck to you. i hope that things get resolved to your satisfaction naomi bury satisfaction as naomi bury there, an nhs practise there, who is an nhs practise nurse. now we going nurse. now we are going to be returning beloved

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what's it, but even remainers what's in it, but even remainers now , even remainers the now, even remainers think the immigration i'm immigration is too high. i'm patrick christys on gb news britain's news

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well. does anyone ever ask the question, why aren't this lot at work? you know? anyway, work? you know? but anyway, justin has once again hit justin welby has once again hit out at the government's illegal migration a letter to migration bill. in a letter to the times, the archbishop of canterbury, along with muslim, christian, , jewish and christian, hindu, jewish and sikh religious leaders , wrote sikh religious leaders, wrote that have an asylum that britain must have an asylum system based on justice and compassion. that is all very well and good, mr archbishop , well and good, mr archbishop, and thank you very much for that. my concern is that we now have a chap there who is trying to put forward his own policies and if you want to do that, then you can stand for election and produce a manifesto and see whether anyone for whether or not anyone votes for it. on the chance of people it. just on the chance of people voting for it as well. the latest round of yougov polling asked if they think the asked people if they think the immigration too high in immigration has been too high in the 61% think the uk. 61% of tories think it is labour voters and get is 40% of labour voters and get this, 44% of remainers think that immigration is too high. thatis that immigration is too high. that is up 15% on this time last yeah that is up 15% on this time last year. so yeah, by the time you factored in the about rights and don't know, it's actually very few people think that it's too

low but the government says the illegal migration bill help illegal migration bill will help them small boats them tackle the small boats crisis. bill's covid 11 crisis. but the bill's covid 11 defeats in the house of lords on monday. am joined now by monday. i am joined now by reverend calvin robinson. calvin, thank you very, very much. literally much. quite literally of this pansh much. quite literally of this parish it were. calvin should parish as it were. calvin should we just keep religion open out of what's going on in the channel >> the problem is that religion is political and religious leaders do have a duty to input some moral authority to and the reason we have bishops in the house of lords, for example, is to provide a moral compass for our legislative. that's the reason they're there. however, there crossing line at the there crossing a line at the moment they're becoming moment and they're becoming party political. they're becoming we're becoming partisan, and we're seeing justin welby opposing conservative government policy as if he is the opposition. that's not what they're supposed to be doing. so they're crossing a line. they're but when he says this is about justice and compassion, well, that's exactly what about. justice what this bill is about. justice in of cutting down on in terms of cutting down on illegal immigration. we have

plenty of legal routes for migration, including for refugees . as you know, i've refugees. as you know, i've always wondered why people are keen to pay £5,000 to people smugglers when they could pay £50 for a ticket and come straight over and go to the embassy. yeah so compassion. it's there, patrick, it's compassion there, patrick, for the lives of people that are at from crossing the border at risk from crossing the border illegally and those little dinghies . dinghies. >> yeah, well, one thing that he wants very keen on this wants and he's very keen on this is to throw our arms around is us to throw our arms around the world. and this is something this really kind of key this is really the kind of key detail he's trying get detail that he's trying to get our enact, which our government to enact, which is a global able refugee long term plan . but from where i'm term plan. but from where i'm sitting, we already have a long term plan, which is to let everyone in and let them live here long term. >> yeah, well, indeed , he said >> yeah, well, indeed, he said the government needs year the government needs a ten year plan and government ? well, plan and the government? well, the have been in the conservatives have been in power for 13, 14 years now. so this has been a ten year plan and worked. and of and it hasn't worked. and of course agree him on some course i agree with him on some things. do need to a things. we do need to have a forward thinking long term improvision some kind

improvision for or some kind of to bill protect the borders of this we need work on this country. we need to work on something. in the meantime, this country. we need to work on so the hing. in the meantime, this country. we need to work on so the short in the meantime, this country. we need to work on so the short term, the meantime, this country. we need to work on so the short term, we meantime, this country. we need to work on so the short term, we need ntime, this country. we need to work on so the short term, we need tone, in the short term, we need to stop from taking risks stop people from taking risks with people smugglers. we need to on illegal to cut down on illegal immigration and the gangs and the drug trafficking and all of that that's going on. we need to make that people who come make sure that people who come in can be vetted. in this country can be vetted. so we're protecting their lives and we're protecting british citizens same time. citizens lives at the same time. and for the archbishop of canterbury that canterbury to be against, that shows compassion. shows a lack of compassion. actually interesting, actually and what's interesting, patrick, keen to talk patrick, is he's so keen to talk on this issue. was he two on this issue. where was he two weeks ago when we had a massive debate abortion , on where is debate on abortion, on where is he protect sanctity of he to protect the sanctity of life, core christian tenet. i life, a core christian tenet. i did him in the public did not see him in the public square but see him now square then, but i see him now in houses of parliament. in the houses of parliament. discuss passing what is a partisan issue. there is also, i think, the quite deep seated irony that appears be more irony that he appears to be more than to welcome in than willing to welcome in loads of who of course not of people who are, of course not christian, as head of christian, which as the head of the of england, is an the church of england, is an interesting point. >> that's worth noting. >> i think that's worth noting. i worry and this as a i worry and i say this as a religious person, calvin, i worry that sometimes religion

can potentially can be used potentially to silence opposition and i look at the latest round of opinion polling the polling from yougov and the amount people who think that amount of people who think that this is legal immigration, net migration too high, and then migration is too high, and then people at this people might then look at this collection of religious figures who are essentially the who are essentially saying the opposite and think, oh well , opposite and think, oh well, well, you know, maybe i'm ungodly now for thinking that i want to stop the boats . and i want to stop the boats. and i worry about that really , or worry about that really, or whether it buys silence . whether it buys silence. >> yeah, they're politicising the faith , they're moralising the faith, they're moralising and they're making it seem like this is the only way that you can be faithful. you know, to be a good christian, you have to believe in open borders. that's absolute nonsense. actually i could show scripture could i could show scripture reference provide the reference that provide the borders god ordained and that borders or god ordained and that nafions borders or god ordained and that nations are part of nations and tribes are part of god's and therefore god's plan and therefore protecting family and protecting one's family and protecting one's family and protecting first protecting one's nation first and is important so and foremost is important so that then out and that you can then go out and give to other nations give charity to other nations and other peoples and, you know, people twist scriptures all the time and say, well, there's elements sojourner , you

elements of the sojourner, you know, traveller coming to know, the traveller coming to your country. you should look after them. of course you should look after a traveller that comes to country. that comes to your country. that doesn't should allow doesn't mean you should allow them you know, we have them to stay. you know, we have to look at this pragmatically and and and of course, with justice and compassion. but we cannot use the faith to be party political. as the archbishop canterbury as the archbishop of canterbury and are and his liberal friends are doing, thank you very doing, calvin, thank you very much ever. much as ever. >> reverend robinson >> reverend calvin robinson there, , also there, of course, also a fabulous gb news presenter . now, fabulous gb news presenter. now, loads still to come between loads more still to come between now and 4 pm. it is all action today. we've got the latest on the king and queen's visit to edinburgh republican edinburgh where republican protesters edinburgh where republican prote aars edinburgh where republican prote a job have been out in have a job have been out in force just stop oil force and just stop oil protesters have once again endeared to the endeared themselves to the british public. take a look at this. you're watching this. so you're watching wimbledon. is . and oh, wimbledon. there it is. and oh, they're the they're on the they're on the they're on the court. they've been throwing court. and they've been throwing jigsaw and they've been jigsaw pieces and they've been what puke as well. what looks like puke as well. anyway, wimbledon, the play has been just keep been halted. so just keep watching gb news instead. but now your headlines with .

now as your headlines with. tamsin patrick, thank you. >> here are the headlines at 332 to just stop oil protesters have been arrested after disrupting play been arrested after disrupting play at wimbledon in the match on court 18 was briefly suspended after they threw environmentally friendly confetti and a jigsaw on the grass. the group says it targeted the tennis tournament because of a sponsorship deal with barclays bank, which has given £30 billion to oil and gas companies over the past two years. in a statement , just years. in a statement, just stop. oil said we can't leave it to the next generation to pick up the pieces. to the next generation to pick up the pieces . celebrations are up the pieces. celebrations are continuing in edinburgh after the king was presented with the country's crown jewels , the country's crown jewels, the honours of scotland, as part of the coronation ceremony , king the coronation ceremony, king charles received a crown sceptre and a sword made of gold, silver and a sword made of gold, silver and gems . the prince and and gems. the prince and princess of wales known as the duke and duchess of rothesay in scotland, are among those

present and at the event, as are the duke and duchess of edinburgh . the nhs has been edinburgh. the nhs has been described as a treasured national institution as it celebrates 75 years. but labour is warning the health service will die without further investment and modernisation . a investment and modernisation. a record 7.4 million people are currently on waiting lists and the government has acknowledged the government has acknowledged the figure could get worse before it gets better. party leaders , along with the duke and leaders, along with the duke and duchess of edinburgh again were among those to attend a special service at westminster abbey, paying service at westminster abbey, paying tribute to staff . there's paying tribute to staff. there's anger over plans which would see the closure of almost every railway station ticket office in england. the proposal, unveiled by the rail delivery group, affects hundreds of stations , affects hundreds of stations, with facilities only expected to remain open at the busiest locations as disability charities and unions are among those who voiced their concerns, saying it'll impact vulnerable

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scotland. >> protesters upset royal fans, hoping to get a glimpse of the king at the coronation procession in edinburgh . procession in edinburgh. republican groups chanted not my king. to counter shouts of god save the king and the king and queen have taken part in a ceremony at saint giles cathedral marking the coronation in scotland today . i always in scotland today. i always wonder with these people , why wonder with these people, why haven't you got a job? really i mean, it must be amazing, mustn't it, to just be able to go take the devil was just saying to your boss, sorry, i can't come in today. what are you going to do? i'm just going to go to the cathedral and shout at the king. know, you'd get at the king. you know, you'd get sacked, you? there we sacked, wouldn't you? there we go. our royal correspondent, cameron walker, in cameron walker, has been in edinburgh are hoping edinburgh all day. we are hoping for little good news at for a little bit of good news at some cameron which may some point. cameron which may or may a flyover. so may not include a flyover. so we'll talk about that in a minute. but yeah, protests, i mean, what went on? >> yeah, well, there are 300 or so anti—monarchy protesters, just the other side of saint giles cathedral , which actually,

giles cathedral, which actually, to be frank, annoyed . quite a to be frank, annoyed. quite a lot of the pro—monarchy supporters because the anti—monarchy protesters were giving quite a prime position on the opposite, just opposite the cathedral . and as you probably cathedral. and as you probably heard in some of the footage there, they were chanting not my king. and they were shouting quite loudly. the quite loudly. however, the bagpipes and the music from the armed services did appear to drown them out when the king and queen arrived , along with the queen arrived, along with the duke and duchess of rothesay as well. but that is unfortunately, it does appear that there was very much there was they had a heavy presence there. i mean, you can see some of the pictures these big yellow signs that you're mentioning. patrick, earlier, you were questioning why do they not have jobs? well, actually, some of those protesters from that campaign group, republic , it is their group, republic, it is their job. they it's a campaign group. and some of them are paid to protest . but a vast majority are protest. but a vast majority are volunteers. so that was one of

the protests. there was also a separate protest by our republic , which is a scottish republican movement. they were protesting outside the scottish parliament and one of the co leaders of the green party here in scotland actually joins them and bearing in mind this particular guy was given an invitation to attend the service of thanksgiving at saint giles cathedral and instead he turned it down to attend that our republic protests so clearly there's very polarising views here. but but it appears the vast majority of the people on the royal mile today were in support of the monarchy. but there are also tourists as well. it wasn't just people who had turned out to support the monarchy. >> . okay. all right. i think >> no. okay. all right. i think it's worthwhile . now, moving on it's worthwhile. now, moving on from those numpties with the big yellow signs and talking about what whole point of today what the whole point of today actually is and also, i believe we might be expecting some kind of flyover at some point, which hopefully we will catch over your shoulder there .

your shoulder there. >> yes. so the red arrows, the famous red arrows are going to be flying over edinburgh castle behind me down the royal mile to the palace of holyrood house, where the king. queen prince sorry , duke and duchess of sorry, duke and duchess of rothesay, known as obviously the prince and princess of wales. elsewhere where they're going to be outside the palace of holyrood will be holyrood house. so that will be pretty that's expected pretty exciting. that's expected in the next couple of minutes at 20 to the hour. so it is going to be quite a sight to round off the celebrations here today. it is a celebration of the coronation, but for scotland and the honours scotland were the honours of scotland were presented to his majesty the king inside saint giles cathedral earlier on today. it's the oldest set of crown jewels in britain. they date back to the 1500s. mary queen of scots was crowned with that exact crown. all those years ago. but the sword, which you can just see on your screen now, that's brand new, that was commissioned last year and it's named after the late queen elizabeth ii. and

thatis the late queen elizabeth ii. and that is because the original sword of state gifted by a pope to james, the fourth of scotland, it was seen as too fragile to be in use anymore. so a new sword was commissioned 20 200 £0. it costs . so it's got a 200 £0. it costs. so it's got a hefty price tag. it's also very heavy, 7.5kg and it's five foot long and many people are pointing out that it was dame katherine grainger who carried the sword and presented it to the sword and presented it to the king. the former olympic gold medallist . so the king. the former olympic gold medallist. so perhaps and so some people were saying were comparing her to penny mordaunt, who of course carried the sword of state inside westminster abbey with the during the coronation service last month. so who held the sword better? well guess we'll have to wait for the viewers to make up their minds on that one. >> yes, we will indeed. i think penny morton certainly held the sword longer, didn't sword for longer, though, didn't she? with holding she? she was tasked with holding it up for an incredibly long penod it up for an incredibly long period time the coronation period of time at the coronation that here. suppose that we had here. so suppose ridley any now we ridley anyway, any second now we are about to see some red arrows

flying down the royal mile. there near where you are. and of course it will be i think it is worth noting, isn't it, that from what you were saying anyway, there were more people in support of the king and queen than there were , you know, out than there were, you know, out chanting, not my king. and i think that quite important think that is quite important to know, it ? know, isn't it? >> yeah , exactly. there are 300 >> yeah, exactly. there are 300 or so anti—monarchy protesters there were a lot more pro—monarchy supporters and inside the abbey. patrick, you like this ? the sermon that was like this? the sermon that was read by sally foster—fulton, right? reverend sally foster—fulton there was a lot of climate change references in it, and she said that we inherit the earth from our children . the earth from our children. the children inherit the earth from us, but we merely borrow it from them . but she also referred to them. but she also referred to them. but she also referred to the fact that our duty obe is to return the earth to our children and not baking to a crisp. and then referred to the fact

directly to the king and queen that they have advocated for climate change, particularly his majesty the king. when he was prince of wales, and trying to look after the earth for future generations. so it was quite a strong climate change theme of the service of thanksgiving today. >> well, i'm sure the earth is very glad about that. and indeed , it will be interesting because it ties in a little bit with something we're going to be talking about a little bit later on, which is that rishi sunak might actually might have actually done a decent which appears decent thing, which appears to be back on a big be that he's rowed back on a big international climate pledge, which could save billions. which could save us billions. the at home, the old net zero starts at home, which be quite, quite which might be quite, quite interesting. we're going to be talking about a bit talking about that a little bit later we wait for later on just while we wait for the arrows to over as the red arrows to go over as well. i'm just going to fill you in and just keep you teased about we're going about something we're going to be bit later be talking about a bit later talking the climate. we're talking about the climate. we're also be looking at what also going to be looking at what just antics were at just stop oil's antics were at wimbledon. stopped wimbledon. they stopped wimbledon. they stopped wimbledon for a little bit. just stop wimbledon. just stop tennis. they were protesting about barclays bank. so we're going showing you footage

going to be showing you footage of we're hoping be of that. we're hoping to be speaking to someone, the for speaking to someone, the mp for wimbledon as well. fingers crossed shortly get crossed very shortly to get their views all as well. their views on it. all as well. mick lynch, the head the rmt, mick lynch, the head of the rmt, is to be joining in is going to be joining me in a rare moment of conjoined thinking myself and mick thinking for myself and mick lynch, going be lynch, where he's going to be talking the old train talking about the old train ticket going. we're ticket offices going. and we're obviously campaigning to stop shop kill cash, which shop to not kill cash, which i think will be important for all of there. just describe a of us there. but just describe a little about you are little bit about where you are actually now coming and if people just joining us people are just joining us exactly that we're exactly what it is that we're waiting hopefully any second how. >> now. >> yes. so if you are just joining us, we have just had the service of thanksgiving and st giles' cathedral, where the king was presented the honours was presented with the honours of the oldest of of scotland, the oldest set of crown jewels in the british isles. i am stood on a very well positioned rooftop, i might add, with a view of edinburgh castle , where the crown jewels of scotland, the honours of scotland, the honours of scotland are usually kept, and it's a whole mile long road which is very, very old indeed . which is very, very old indeed. and it runs all the way from the

castle for a mile down to the palace of holyrood house, where the king and queen and the duke and duchess of rothesay, who are prince william and princess catherine, are waiting for this fly—past of the red arrows. they are slightly delayed . we were are slightly delayed. we were expecting them at 20 to the houn expecting them at 20 to the hour, but i have been told that they have at least taken off from the airport just outside of edinburgh. so it should be really any minute now . and the really any minute now. and the red arrows, of course, used red arrows, of course, are used by family. and in by the royal family. and in processions for various different flypasts, for trooping the colour celebrations and the coronations. of course, they were meant to fly over, but the weather was so poor that they couldn't. so the fact that the celebration of the coronation in scotland is happening and the red are to be red arrows are going to be flying over edinburgh castle, i'm next 20 30s or i'm told, in the next 20 30s or so to be quite so is going to be quite something, a very historical situation . i can now see the red situation. i can now see the red arrows. so so we'll just give you the take. the red arrows

can. oh there they are. >> and here they come. >> and here they come. >> look at that red , white and blue. >> patrick. >> patrick. >> yes, go on. come on. you're in a better position than me. so say what you say. what you see. red, white and blue. is it? yeah >> red, white and blue. there are nine aircraft in total . are nine aircraft in total. three with red smoke , three of three with red smoke, three of white smoke, three with blue smoke . the colours of the units smoke. the colours of the units and dissector . and dissector. >> oh lovely . i think there's >> oh lovely. i think there's drowned out cameron. there bless him. >> so we're going to talk over that. but that was the red arrows fly there over edinburgh cathedral that was definitely worth the wait i must say it's on my bucket list to see the red arrows in person, nine of them in total. as cameron was saying to us, they're roaring along the royal in edinburgh . there royal mile in edinburgh. there we go. and you can see that trail of smoke there. fans tastic stuff. great. and thank you very much for karen walker as well, for expertly padding out little bit there while we out a little bit there while we waited wonderful red waited for the wonderful red arrows. correspondent

arrows. our royal correspondent cameron okay. so cameron walker. right. okay. so now this is a story that i think is going to get you all going. we're going to be following this all day. okay. because the home of dambusters, as many of the dambusters, as many regular listeners, of the dambusters, as many regu know, listeners, of the dambusters, as many regu know, could listeners, of the dambusters, as many regu know, could soonsteners, of the dambusters, as many regu know, could soon be 1ers, will know, could soon be occupied a occupied by more than a thousand, exclusively male migrants . so we've gone from migrants. so we've gone from people who, of course, were fighting for this country to fighting for this country to fighting age males, but there we go. now the locals are fighting to the grave of the raf to keep the grave of the raf heroes dog, the dambusters dog on the site plans to exhume the body of the dog buried at the former home of the dambusters are going to be discussed at a council meeting which we will be covering very shortly. patrick christys is on gb news, britain's

nights from 7:00 on gb news, britain's news . britain's news. channel is the really a national treasure that's what i'm going to be talking about at 4 pm. and actually, in just a matter

of moments, i'm going to be delving into this really bizarre issue surrounding the captain. >> sir tom moore, charity , i'm >> sir tom moore, charity, i'm sure that you've all seen and heard of this. i'll be talking about that in a second. but before that, we've spoken a lot about raf scampton on this show because more than a thousand male migrants could be almost definitely will be about to be housed on the site of the dambusters, an iconic, historic site. but today, the decision to move the grave of the dambusters dog will be debated at an extraordinary meeting of the local council's planning committee. the raf is requesting permission to excavate any remains from the grave of wing commander guy gibson's dog and relocate it to raf marham in norfolk. i'm not sure if the dog has much of a connection to norfolk, but there we go. let's cross live now to raf scampton and join our east midlands reporter will hollis . and will, reporter will hollis. and will, i think this is a very visible symbol, isn't it, of the lengths

that we are now having to go to accommodate some of these people? i mean, we're even digging up the dambusters dog, for goodness sake. what's happening where are ? happening where you are? >> yes. well, this is raf scampton in the background. it was closed earlier in the year. it was also the home of the red arrows, as well as being the legendary home of 607 squadron, the dambusters were men and of course , this backstory of course, this backstory of whether 2000 asylum seekers are going to be moved into raf scampton by the home office is the big news here. but it's kind of a little subplot what might happen with the dambusters dog. of course it's guy gibson's dog. it came with him when 607 squadron was first formed and when it died on the night of the dambusters raid. something that guy gibson hid from his men because he didn't want it to be seen as a bad omen. it was buned seen as a bad omen. it was buried in front of hangar two, which has special protected listed status now. and guy

gibson's dog. has been there ever since. and of course, because of his name, the racial connotation is a word that we don't use in regular conversation. now there's, of course, always been a little bit of controversy for the last 15 to 20 years, about the dog's name. but it's never been quite like this because what the raf heritage team want to do is dig up any zoological remains of guy gibson's dog and potentially move it around 80 miles away to raf marham in norfolk . now, raf marham in norfolk. now, interestingly, that's a mile for every single year. that guy gibson's dog has been buried. it's, of course, 80 years since the dambusters raid this year. and what the decision tonight there's going to be made at west lindsey district council's planning committee meeting will be is whether the raf can do what they're requesting. the raf has had to request it because as that hangar two has grade two listed status and while the dog's grave isn't protected as

such, it is protected because it's in the surroundings of that grade two listed hangar. now now, to give you an idea of how much attention has been on this, around 200 people in the public have given comments on that application to the planning committee , around 170 of them or committee, around 170 of them or so object to guy gibson's dog being dug up and removed from raf scampton , but also big raf scampton, but also big enough three bodies. the custodian of english history, historic england. they are recommending that the application be refused. so tonight west lindsey district council is describing this planning committee meeting as extraordinary. we all know from working in the media media that planning committee, media planning committee, media planning committee, media planning committee meetings don't tend to get a lot of interest from members of the public. but this one certainly does. so that meeting starts at around 630 tonight, about an hour away from where i'm

standing right now at lincolnshire showground. the committee , the west lindsey committee, the west lindsey district council has moved to that bigger location from the usual council offices because the scale of interest is just so vast. but of course the reason that raf heritage is applying for this consent is because they say that guy gibson's dog and the grave will be at risk in the uncertain future of what might happenif uncertain future of what might happen if 2000 asylum seekers do move in to raf scampton here in the coming months. yeah absolutely. >> look, thank you very , very >> look, thank you very, very much. well, great to have you on the scene for us there. and i know i'm actually covering for the big guy nigel farage this evening, so i'll be on air from seven. so hope finally we have some answers. really. maybe some resolution, dare i say so. i'll be seeing you a little bit later on. well, good stuff. now it is time for patrick's pick of the day, where i focus on another story that's caught my eye. a weird this okay. it seems weird one. this okay. it seems fitting that the national health

service's 75th birthday, we're talking a man who did talking about a man who did so much the captain sir tom much for the nhs captain sir tom moore raised almost £39 million for nhs charities. but today his daughter is in the news for very different reasons. captain tom's daughter , hannah ingram—moore, daughter, hannah ingram—moore, has been ordered to demolish a building used as a spa that was built after her dad's incredible fundraising efforts. the captain, tom foundation, has now stopped , stopped taking money stopped, stopped taking money from donors . while the charity from donors. while the charity commission carries inquiries out . i mean, it is a fascinating one that, isn't it, really? obviously we'll have to wait and see. i know that they've released a statement that the captain, tom charity, saying that you they are now that you know, they are now assisting all their assisting with all of their inquiries. bad inquiries. it's a bad look, isn't to fair, it is isn't it? to be fair, it is quite a bad look. we're asking you to get in touch with all your comments, maurice. let's wait the facts out. wait until the facts come out. yeah, absolutely. interesting one. bannau. one. this roberts bannau. i think everyone who donated isn't bothered. what you mean , bothered. i get what you mean, but i do also think that maybe

the optics of building some kind of spa potentially doesn't look great. i did enjoy kevin maguire's tweet, which is that he walked so they can swim just up. oil has taken spectators at wimbledon to breaking point today, stopping play at court 18 when two protesters threw confetti and a jigsaw on the grass. we've got the footage the climate group has said that we can't leave it to the next generation to pick up the pieces. the pair were arrested on suspicion of aggravated trespass and criminal damage . trespass and criminal damage. now, it's remarkable because wimbledon said that they were going to clamp down on people bringing stuff in. i'm not being funny, how easy is it funny, but how easy is it seriously to a load of seriously to bring in a load of jigsaw pieces and whatever else, confetti and everything? i mean, seriously , who is doing the seriously, who is doing the security there? because there is a serious issue here. if a more serious issue here. if it's easy people to run it's that easy for people to run on a court professional on to a court with professional tennis and do that, what tennis players and do that, what happens if somebody wants to do something more sinister? something even more sinister? but we'll be

but there we go. we'll be talking more about that later on. national health on. the national health service is today. happy is 75 years old today. happy birthday to the nhs. our beloved nhs. yes, there we go. okay i am asking whether or not it really is a national treasure and whether everybody who works in it is indeed an angel. patrick christys on gb news britain's news .

channel it's 4 pm. it's patrick christys gb news. is the nhs really a national treasure, or is it part of some kind of weird pseudo religious cult? our political leaders decided to take time off from running the country today to go and quite literally worship it during a church service. is it actually a national treasure? in other news, we need to save the dambusters dog . yes. raaf dambusters dog. yes. raaf scampton is almost definitely

going to be used to house more than a thousand old male migrants. that is a historic site and now the local council is having an extraordinary general meeting in order to decide whether or not to dig up the remains of a dambusters hero dog. i mean, good grief, the remains of a dambusters hero dog. i mean, good grief , really. dog. i mean, good grief, really. can't we just leave our history andindeed can't we just leave our history and indeed our dogs alone? i'm also gonna be talking about this. well, looks as though this. well, it looks as though rishi sunak might be getting the message on climate change. he is rowed back on spending billions and billions and billions of pounds to try to sort out the world's climate crisis on our own. essentially should net zero start at home. also going to be talking about this. yes, that's right. is it really true that there are 2000 rogue cops that need sacking now, isolate the police for not stopping just stop oil for a whole host of reasons. go to do the macarena at a pride march and all of that nonsense. okay but i really reject this idea that our mayors and our police forces are institutionally racist and sexist and homophobic and all of

this. i don't really buy this idea. there can be 2000 rogue coppers, maybe i'm wrong. patrick christys . gb news. gb patrick christys. gb news. gb views. or gb news .com. let me know. do you think the nhs really is a national treasure ? really is a national treasure? happy birthday by the way. nhs headunes happy birthday by the way. nhs headlines now with polly . patrick. >> thank you and good afternoon to you. well, a red arrows fly past has just taken place in edinburgh to celebrate the king and queen's coronation in scotland at st giles' cathedral. the king had been presented with the honours of scotland, the country's crown jewels. there was also a 21 gun salute at edinburgh castle before the royal procession returned to holyrood house. the prince and princess of wales , known as the princess of wales, known as the duke and duchess of rothesay in scotland, were among those

present today, as were the duke and duchess of edinburgh . now, and duchess of edinburgh. now, as you've been hearing, the nhs has been described as a treasured national institution, as it celebrates its 75th birthday. but labour is warning the health service will die without further investment and modernisation. a record 7.4 million people are currently on waiting lists and the government has acknowledged that number could get worse before it gets better. well, today, party leaders , along with the duke and leaders, along with the duke and duchess of edinburgh, were among those attending a special service at westminster abbey, paying service at westminster abbey, paying tribute to staff earlier , the shadow health secretary, wes streeting , told gb news that wes streeting, told gb news that the nhs is facing the worst crisis in its history. >> deeply angry about the two tier system we have in our country today, where those who can afford it are paying to go private and those who can't afford it are being left behind. my afford it are being left behind. my answer would be in the short term, where there is spare capacity in private sector,

capacity in the private sector, we should be paying for it on nhs terms. so that people who can't afford it are getting it free at the point of use. that would be my answer. i've got no objection to using private sector capacity to get nhs waiting lists down faster . waiting lists down faster. >> well, the health minister, maria caulfield, who also happens to be a nurse, says strike action is putting more pressure on the service. >> although we've got more people on the waiting list, the waiting times are coming down and i think for most people who are waiting for an operation or are waiting for an operation or a procedure, it's how long they wait. not who else is on that waiting and waiting list. and we've eliminated two wait. eliminated the two year wait. we've virtually eliminated the 18 and we're now 18 month wait and we're now working are waiting working on those who are waiting for year. so it's really for a year. so it's really important that we do that . and important that we do that. and strike action doesn't help to be honest. it does mean that procedures and operations are often cancelled. so that's why we do want the unions to come round the table and try and resolve that for patients. >> also in the news today, >> now, also in the news today, two oil protesters two just stop oil protesters

have been arrested after disrupting play at wimbledon. the match on court 18 was briefly suspended after they threw what they called enviro mentally friendly confetti and a jigsaw on the grass. mentally friendly confetti and a jigsaw on the grass . the mentally friendly confetti and a jigsaw on the grass. the group says it targeted the tennis tournament because of a sponsorship deal with barclays bank, which has invested £30 billion in oil and gas companies over the last two years. in a statement . and just stop, oil statement. and just stop, oil said we can't leave it to the next generation to pick up the pieces and earlier today, security staff at london's famous department store , harrods famous department store, harrods also removed a group of just stop oil protesters as they were pictured holding placards on an escalator of the luxury store . a escalator of the luxury store. a video posted to the group's twitter account shows staff evicting a photographer. it's the latest in a series of stunts as the group calls on the government to end new fossil fuel licences . now there's anger fuel licences. now there's anger over plans which would see the closure of almost every railway

station and ticket office in england . the proposal, unveiled england. the proposal, unveiled by the rail delivery group affects hundreds of stations with facilities only expected to remain open at the busiest stations. disability charity is and unions are among those who voiced their concerns, saying it'll impact vulnerable people and will lead to job losses . the and will lead to job losses. the decision about which offices will be closed will be made after a consultation process . after a consultation process. sky pools across england have been forced to close today or restrict access for students . restrict access for students. acas with teachers walking off the job in a row over their pay. it's the seventh strike this year and unions have warned there'll be more action in the autumn if a deal can't be reached as well as lessons. end of term events like school trips and sports days are also being affected . birmingham teacher affected. birmingham teacher lesley quinlan says both staff and students deserve better government aren't listening and

we're going to keep doing this until they do. >> we need to have a fully funded education system in this country. these children , these country. these children, these children deserve so much better than this . what this government than this. what this government is happening and what it's doing to them . it's been going on for to them. it's been going on for way too many years. so we need to put a stop to it now. and fund their education. and lastly , the captain tom foundation has halted donations and payments ice following a charity watchdog investigation. >> it comes as planning bosses ordered the demolition of an unauthorised building in captain tom's daughter home. hannah ingram moor and her husband submitted a planning application for a building in the grounds of their home in bedfordshire in 2021. an additional application, though, for a building containing a spa and pool was turned down by the planning authority . batus ulez . gb news. authority. batus ulez. gb news. more news as it happens . back more news as it happens. back now to .

now to. patrick >> well, here is something that you will see covered up by loads of other media outlets. the latest round of immigration polling is in and the message is loud and clear. the british pubuc loud and clear. the british public think immigration is too high. yougov data shows 61% of tory voters think we have too much immigration. 40% of labour voters do . 32% of them think voters do. 32% of them think it's about right and 13% think it's about right and 13% think it's too low. but here is the 144% of remain voters think immigration is too high. that is 15 points higher than this time last year. remarkable really, isn't it? just 14% of remainers think it's too low, by the way. so an important bit of contact there. there you go. that's the reality. it's not controversial, racist or xenophobic to want to

cut immigration. it's literally what people want . more people what people want. more people want that than want the same amount or more of it. how bleeding obvious do we have to make it? is it not enough to vote consistently for a party that promises to reduce net migration? is it not enough to vote to leave the eu so we could cut migration? is it not enough to? when actually asked directly say we want to reduce immigration action and then we end up with a washed up former chancellor in the rather dull shape of philip hammond coming out and saying, well, you know , out and saying, well, you know, you know what, we need to reduce inflation even more immigration , an flipping heck spreadsheet . , an flipping heck spreadsheet. phil, i mean, give me strength. what is now obvious is that record levels of immigration are not a natural part of globalisation . an it is a policy globalisation. an it is a policy choice . it's deliberate. this is choice. it's deliberate. this is deliberate, and it is against the will of the people. how many think that blue sky thinkers ,

think that blue sky thinkers, that political gurus, the political parties employ, they wrestle , don't they, to try to wrestle, don't they, to try to crack this enigma code of winning a general election? god they look for this secret secret answer . what they look for this secret secret answer. what is it? they look for this secret secret answer . what is it? they're they look for this secret secret answer. what is it? they're up in the clouds. well, the answer is right here. the public are telling you, just cut immigration we end up immigration and then we end up with like the archbishop with people like the archbishop of canterbury now getting way above station in house above his station in the house of trying actually of lords, trying to actually enact own policy . look, if enact his own policy. look, if he to put forward a new he wants to put forward a new government policy, then he should stand for election in and put a manifesto to the nation and see who votes for him, not invokes some warped spirit of christ in the upper chamber to try to get us to develop a long term strategy for tackling the refugee crisis. we have a long term strategy. isn't that obvious? the strategy is to let them all in and then let them live here long term forever. in fact, even if we have to pay for them, i mean, there is a certain

idiocy about the head of the church of england fully supporting the importation of a load of people who are not christian. but we'll just leave that to one side for now, shall we? this is what people do. we? but this is what people do. the liberal holier the liberal elites, the holier than thou come by our lefties. they portray themselves as the virtuous, the righteous that allows ignore allows them to completely ignore the fact what they are the fact that what they are saying deeply unpopular. saying is deeply unpopular. i think time for the silent think it's time for the silent majority to stop being so silent significantly more people think immigration is too high compared to this time last year. very few people want more of it. start voicing your views with confidence . well that's what confidence. well that's what i think. i want to hear from you, gbviews@gbnews.com and i will have much more on that story a little bit later on in the show. but let's get to our top story, shall we? yes absolutely. who could have the nhs, could have thought the nhs, happy nhs. it's 75 happy birthday, nhs. it's 75 today. and is today. the nhs and it is celebrating its birthday. prime minister rishi sunak bear in

mind. okay, i want you all to just remember now the nhs is not a religious cult. okay it's not. prime minister rishi sunak attended a service at westminster abbey this morning where the prime minister and sir keir starmer gave readings. the health secretary , steve barclay, health secretary, steve barclay, says that the nhs is our most treasured national institution . treasured national institution. he also says the service needs constant evolution, not whole scale reform. but at a time when waiting lists or i say record 7.4 million and rising, and the amount of money pumped into the nhs is bigger than ever, isn't it time for what barclay called a big bang moment? i am joined now by stella smith, who is the ceo of perks , which is a private ceo of perks, which is a private health care service. look, thank you very , very much. i was you very, very much. i was hanging my head in agony earlier on because i was just looking at it and thinking, you know, for a group of people who must understand that the nhs needs reform , um, and they then go and

reform, um, and they then go and literally worship at its altar, which means the next time that they try to do what is needed, which is instigate some kind of radical reform, is going to like going against the word of christ , goodness look what , for goodness sake. look what kind reform do you think we need? >> absolutely . look, i, >> absolutely. look, i, i thoroughly support the nhs. i think we all have so many personal experiences , over personal experiences, over a million people being treated every day. i think all of us will have those we thoroughly support. um my business brings a private doctor services and counselling services for just £4.50 a month. and i think that look, for me there's an ageing population that's clear. i think population that's clear. i think population growth, clearly we're living a lot longer, not necessarily in the best of health. so that pressure is clear . and health. so that pressure is clear. and the health. so that pressure is clear . and the way we achieve clear. and the way we achieve pricing is through technology. and i think the use of technology and preventative measures can help. i don't think that as you say, there is a

silver bullet that solves everything, but at least an impact into into those issues . impact into into those issues. >> yeah, but i think our politicians are absolutely terrified of doing what they know needs to be done because we have a sacred cow here that employs loads of people. okay. and by the way, that's not going to change. in fact, he might even make their lives easier under some kind of pseudo private system. we could quite possibly pay people and possibly pay people more and give a quality of give them a better quality of life, is why loads of life, which is why loads of people australia people are moving to australia to in their health to go and work in their health care system. it also then care system. it could also then end working out better for end up working out better for the as well. you the patients as well. do you think our politicians are too afraid reform ? afraid of reform? >> i think when we think about politics, i think we often have a change, you know, long longevity in government and then seeing that followed through over a period of time, short termism for me is clear. but i think that you know, ultimately that debate of public private

has been there for a long time and will continue to run. i think where, you know, my company or i sit and play a part is that private health care is out of the reach of the masses. so my job, i believe, is to use technology to try and democratise access to many more. look £4.50 isn't actually affordable for everybody, but it's affordable for far more. so it's affordable for far more. so it's how can we utilise, how can we take positive action? how can we take positive action? how can we actually do something to make change and yeah, i think i would to love work closer with government and you know, i think i think using corporations, using young technology companies like my own and many others using digital to help try and solve, i don't think it's a silver bullet, but i think i think the best way to make change is to use your feet and actually pick up your pens and your tools and do something each day to try and make it happen. >> because what do i get for £4.50 a month then in terms of private healthcare, it's not of interest. >> it's really, it's really

cool. 24 seven access to a cool. 24 over seven access to a doctor's appointment for the individual everybody individual and everybody in their within same their family within the same household. unlimited appointments access to appointments also access to unlimited counselling, digital physio, virtual gym classes , all physio, virtual gym classes, all the things you get if you work for a large employer, you can sign up just as an individual person or as a worker in a smaller company. so the reason we have it is because i ended up with a number of smaller businesses. also had a quite businesses. i also had a quite a privileged career as well. and in i was in the privileged career i was given stuff. the same given loads of stuff. the same human but as an human being. but as an individual with a small business, i nothing. so business, i get nothing. so that's built it. what that's why we built it. what we didn't realise is that of course, i mean the crisis in the nhs, there's one for many nhs, there's been one for many moons many guises, but, but moons in many guises, but, but ultimately managed to ultimately we've managed to build piece of technology that build a piece of technology that can it's not can help solve. and it's not just there lots just us. there are lots of things that could do to things that we could do to actually make an impact. and as you say, know , if you think you say, you know, if you think of something wholly , you think of something wholly, you think of something wholly, you think of it as perfect and nobody i think can say it's perfect, but they say it's amazing they can say that it's amazing in its own right in certain

ways, which it is. >> there's unequivocal right that the nhs does save lives and that the nhs does save lives and that people who work in the nhs by far and away the vast majority of them are in there for the right reasons. they do an incredible job. i've never saved a life. if you were in desperate need of physical aid, the would call the last person you would call would i would it would be me. i would make it worse for but at the same worse for you, but at the same time, you know, when you are literally there reading a prayer about creating some about the nhs and creating some kind about kind of religious ceremony about it, like you've just said. exactly. it makes it seem like it's, holy that it's it's, well, holy that it's virtuous and its virtuous completely. and its entirety untouchable . entirety and it's untouchable. and someone comes and then when someone comes along and tries say along and tries to say something, which we actually need is, i would need now, which is, i would argue, radical reform, we argue, quite radical reform, we were going to flip it's were going to flip it. it's like, stamped on a like, you just stamped on a crucifix something we crucifix or something and we just have that. i find it just can't have that. i find it absolutely baffling that we would live in a country that would live in a country that would allow that situation to happen. luck to happen. but look, good luck to you. you very much. and you. thank you very much. and thank providing little thank you for providing a little bit as well as bit of context as well as to what is there, but actually what is out there, but actually not huge amount of money.

not a huge amount of money. okay. and this is the thing. one last one with you, that's all last one with you, if that's all right, stella, look, i don't last one with you, if that's all right, howla, look, i don't last one with you, if that's all right, how you ook, i don't last one with you, if that's all right, how you feel i don't last one with you, if that's all right, how you feel about: last one with you, if that's all right, how you feel about this, know how you feel about this, but people just be but should rich people just be made private care? made to use private health care? if over a certain if you earn over a certain amount of money, do you think good, debate and actually, good, good debate and actually, you a period of time, you know, for a period of time, i did do that personally. >> speak >> so i can only speak anecdotally for myself if i don't like the idea of anybody being made to anything. being made to do anything. i think there's a freedom piece around our own personal around making our own personal choice think that choice is, um, i think that whatever can do whatever we can do as individuals help important individuals to help is important . but think, you know, . but i think, you know, ultimately reducing the so ultimately reducing the cost so that it's accessible to far more if they want it is a more positive way to answer that question than , you know, question than, you know, historically. i did. and then i went to an nhs gp and they told me i was, i was silly, you know, and that i should be going along. what i would say is the nhs has been amazing because they have services that they have lots of services that are prevented. lviv and i think those preventative measures have shown those statistics coming down the more we can down as well. so the more we can down as well. so the more we can do that technology, do on that with technology, i think more the better. think the more the better. >> stuff, thank you

>> good stuff, stella. thank you very smith, who is very much. stella smith, who is the ceo of perks, which is a private care service. private health care service. yeah. i'm going to be yeah. look, i'm going to be having a big discussion later on in show as well about in the show as well about whether or not nhs staff are whether or not all nhs staff are indeed because indeed angels, because that seems know, seems to be something you know, there's been a lot of covid fatigue, hasn't there? oh, you know, we going through know, we kept you going through covid. all right. but covid. yeah. all right. but i mean, to be fair, that is your job in middle of job actually in the middle of a national crisis for the national health crisis for the national we national health service and we shut everything for shut down everything else for the nhs, didn't we? i am absolutely flabbergasted that today had today we seriously had a religious ceremony at westminster the westminster abbey to mark the birthday national health birthday of the national health service. i long for the one that we have to celebrate hmrc. i also long for the day that we actually have politicians who are not content with splashing tens, if not hundreds of billions of pounds worth of taxpayers money every single year into his health service. that needs urgent reform and then not having the bottle to actually reform it. it's not really serving anyone, in my view, that well. okay, you have medical negligence claims that

almost hitting the same almost are hitting the same amount of the annual amount of money as the annual budget the nhs. the staff budget for the nhs. the staff are all the time. are on strike all the time. people leaving left, right people are leaving left, right and got record and centre. we've got record waiting any one thinks waiting times. if any one thinks that is something that's that that is something that's worth celebrating in a house of god , then good grief, i think god, then good grief, i think we're setting the bar pretty flipping low, aren't we? anyway, you get more on this story at gb news .com. it's the fastest growing national website in growing national news website in the it's got the best the country. it's got the best analysis, opinion on all the analysis, big opinion on all the latest now, as you latest breaking news now, as you may are, of may already know, we are, of course, campaigning stop the course, campaigning to stop the uk cashless society uk becoming a cashless society and we've got an interesting story way story coming your way about this. a campaign this. we've launched a campaign called cash. it's called don't kill cash. it's already popular. so far, already very popular. so far, more have more than 114,000 people have signed petition. and signed the petition. more and more choosing to more retailers are choosing to only card payments. only accept card payments. vulnerable people rely vulnerable people who rely on cash being behind. 5.4 cash are being left behind. 5.4 million rely on cash. we million adults rely on cash. we know that. let's just get to how people petition. people can sign this petition. so, there is going to be on so, yes, there is going to be on your screens very shortly a qr code. your screens very shortly a qr code . there it is where you can code. there it is where you can hold your smartphone over it and you can sign our petition to try

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news news.com. well in just a few minutes i will discuss whether the government should spend more than £11 billion on this country , i.e. instead of sending it abroad . abroad. >> well, it's another day where the just stop oil protesters disturbing events enjoyed by thousands of people . two people thousands of people. two people threw orange confetti and pieces of jigsaw onto the court. number 18 at wimbledon, which briefly disrupted a match between here we go. grigor dimitrov and show shimabukuro . there we go. two shimabukuro. there we go. two people have been arrested on suspicion of aggravated trespass and criminal damage. i'm joined now by the mp for wimbledon, stephen hammond. thank you very much, stephen. look, what do you make this? make of this? >> know, again , i >> well, you know, again, i think like a lot of people, we'd be pretty angry that just stop oil taken their protests. oil have taken their protests. >> disturbed other >> they've disturbed other people's happens people's enjoyment. it happens time again where this time and time again where this group used guerrilla tactics,

which , i hope are losing which frankly, i hope are losing them, support because it's really when they affect other people's lives, other people's enjoyment, everybody has a right to protest. but they could have done that having standing done that by having a standing outside gates . outside the gates. >> they didn't need to come in and what done . and do what they've done. >> no, mean, today. so far, >> no, i mean, today. so far, just oil, have held up just stop oil, have held up traffic at parliament square. they've raided harrods and they've stopped wimbledon in i mean, there were i was in parliament square earlier. you've got hundreds of tourists there. so that's their view of britain . you've got obviously britain. you've got obviously harrods, massive footfall. that's those people's views of britain . you've got a global britain. you've got a global audience at wimbledon . that's audience at wimbledon. that's how people see you as britain and what's it going to take for this designate this government to designate this government to designate this group ? this sort of terror group? >> they're not going to >> well, they're not going to designate terror group, designate them a terror group, but have put in but the government have put in place of actions place a number of actions where operationally the can operationally now the police can deal with starting with the deal with this starting with the pubuc deal with this starting with the public the public order bill and the revisions to that. >> i'm absolutely supportive >> and i'm absolutely supportive of what the government is trying

i >> -- >> no, i 5mm hum >> no, i think we might have lost steve in there. i think we've lost stephen stevens. rather stunning, very still or he's frozen anyway, stephen hammond there, who was the mp for wimbledon, who we have back, i believe. yes stephen, sorry we lost you for a second there, my good man. you were saying that you don't you're doing enough with public order bills and all of this stuff. and i understand that. it's not putting that. but it's not putting them off, is it? >> it's not at the moment. but once you start actually using the provisions there. the provisions are there. once we actually we get the police actually arresting these people and making clear that this is making it clear that this is a criminal offence, people have the protest, but they the right to protest, but they don't to disturb don't have the right to disturb my global events, my constituents. global events, national infrastructure . yeah. national infrastructure. yeah. >> indeed . i think there is >> no indeed. i think there is a wider concern here, which is for the ordinary brit who means no harm to anybody who wants to go to events like the ashes, who wants to go to events like wimbledon . at some point we're wimbledon. at some point we're going to have to have airport style security at every major pubuc style security at every major public gathering because of this

lot of eco loons and they are impacting our human rights in that sense. yeah they definitely are. >> and that's why the public order bill is there. you are right that if we don't stop them, i think the good news is that public opinion is actually going against them quite , quite going against them quite, quite heavily. don't get many heavily. now, i don't get many people supporting them in my post, email box. what i get post, my email box. what i get is they're is people saying they're frustrated at, you know, they talk about these are people who are trying to get to work every day. these are people who are trying live their lives trying to live their lives and enjoy lives. once the enjoy their lives. and once the pubuc enjoy their lives. and once the public turn against them, don't, they're that they're doing hope that will stop well. stop them as well. >> yeah, like you said, >> yeah, indeed. like you said, i mean, a i mean, i mean, it's a bizarre i mean, you will a thing or two you will know a thing or two about campaigning and trying to drum support and drum up public support and sometimes it may easier sometimes it may be easier than others, to say others, but it's fair to say i don't think i don't think i don't think i don't think i don't think i don't think i don't think they're going about it in the right way. i mean, can you imagine the ideas meeting they're about? right. okay, let's annoy the working let's let's annoy the working class by after the snooker class by going after the snooker and a couple other events, and a couple of other events, stopping work. stopping people getting to work. let's the kind let's let's wind up the kind of cushy classes going

cushy middle classes by going after chelsea flower show after the chelsea flower show and wimbledon as well. it is almost like they're to almost like they're trying to alienate. absolutely everybody. isn't will is isn't it? what they will say is this, is that are not this, which is that you are not doing to stop the climate doing enough to stop the climate crisis and that we're all going to to death. how would you to burn to death. how would you respond to that? >> well, i point out that >> well, i would point out that this government and this we've seen in the last ten years, this this country move much closer to the further on renewable oil and renewable energy . we've seen renewable energy. we've seen renewable energy. we've seen renewable energy. we've seen renewable energy come through. we've done things about oil north sea gas. but you need to look also, we can't just ban a source of energy, but we've done many things that have actually moved the environmental and attack climate change. we've been at the forefront of that over the last ten, 12 years. you may want to more , but there's may want to do more, but there's a time to these things and a time to do these things and there's progress that has there's a progress that has to happen. there's a progress that has to happen . otherwise, for happen. otherwise, the cost for people's be too high. people's lives will be too high. >> indeed. in fact, this >> no, indeed. and in fact, this is topic going be is the topic we're going to be talking little bit later talking about a little bit later on, is very close to a lot on, which is very close to a lot of our viewers hearts, which is

this headlong rush this kind of headlong rush towards and everything towards net zero and everything that it. that is that goes with it. and that is hitting a lot of people in the pockets. and it is good news if rishi sunak does back on us, rishi sunak does row back on us, splurge billions pounds splurge ing billions of pounds on big on some kind of big international, you know, eco effort. when you could argue that now in the middle of that right now in the middle of a of living crisis, we have a cost of living crisis, we have a cost of living crisis, we have a few things could a few things that we could be spending here. fascinating spending it on here. fascinating though, isn't it, though, that i think labour party a think the labour party take a different stop different approach to just stop oil? to be willing oil? they appear to be willing to take their money. to just take their money. >> yeah, they do. and as you well know the think well know that the i think they've accepted just they've accepted i'm just looking at the numbers here. i think £1.5 million yet think it's £1.5 million and yet already that money and the support for has come under support for them has come under criticism the general criticism from the general secretary of the gmb as well . so secretary of the gmb as well. so i the labour party need to i think the labour party need to work out, first of all, what their plan is about oil and gas and what that might have for energy and the cost for energy security and the cost for people's bills. and secondly, do you want to support an you really want to support an organisation like this ? organisation like this? >> yeah, exactly. well said. look stephen, thank very look stephen, thank you very much. have you the

much. great to have you on the show. thank coming on show. thank you for coming on short hopefully we short notice and hopefully we can again, but not when can talk again, but not when just stop oil have done something be nice. something that'd be nice. stephen is the mp stephen hammond there is the mp for wimbledon. right. okay they play for wimbledon. right. okay they play was halted . we've got play was halted. we've got breaking news. apparently i believe play was halted on court 18 for a second time after another protester . let's bring another protester. let's bring stephen back on. here we go for a second time after another protester threw confetti onto the grass during british number one, katie bolton's first round match. i will read that again. i was getting that in my ear, was just getting that in my ear, literally we read it there. literally as we read it there. so play was halted on court 18 for a second time after another protest threw confetti to the grass during british number one. okay stephen? stephen still there? yeah conservative mp oh well, sorry. okay. well we've we've had the opposite of my wish because now i'm talking to you after you immediately again afterjust a something else a ball of just on something else , i mean to be honest , right? i mean to be honest with you, steve, i've got to find absolutely remarkable find it absolutely remarkable that were let in. and that this lot were let in. and then once they've the first

then once they've done the first round them, turned round of them, they turned out there more them there. i there were more of them there. i mean, hopefully , hopefully this there were more of them there. i me get hopefully , hopefully this there were more of them there. i me get lifted. lly , hopefully this lot get lifted. >> just got hopefully this >> obe just got hopefully this lot go the same way as the previous lot and the police take action locked up. action and they're locked up. secondly, are going to secondly, wimbledon are going to have to quite a lot at have to look quite a lot at their people look their security. people do look in clearly in their bags. they clearly didn't very carefully . didn't look very carefully. if they they brought this they had if they brought this in. indeed. in. no no, indeed. >> all right. well, stephen, i'll get on the case. i'll let you get on the case. all right. okay. you're going to have to clean clean up have to go and clean clean up your constituency. >> myself. >> myself. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. spot of tennis, just for research purposes. stephen hammond, there is for wimbledon. is the tory mp for wimbledon. right. well, there we go. right. okay. well, there we go. can just say to you that is can i just say to you that is absolutely you absolutely ludicrous when you think it. how hard is it? think about it. how hard is it? seriously how hard is it to stop someone coming into an event with a bag full of jigsaw pieces, some confetti, some orange paint or whatever? i mean, honestly, when you think about the level of security that you normally have to go through for anything, how difficult is it? i just wonder. i just wonder

whether or not there's someone on inside there. i just on the inside there. i just wonder. anyway, loads more still to come. between now 5:00. to come. between now and 5:00. i will with this country will ask, with this country facing problems, should facing so many problems, should rishi ditch our £11.6 rishi sunak ditch our £11.6 billion climate pledge? me what that will get the just stop oil lot going won't it? and find out why it could soon be easier to sack rogue police officers. but first, headlines first, your latest headlines with coyte . with paul coyte. >> patrick. thank you. well, the top stories this hour, as you've just been hearing, some breaking news in the last few minutes, play has been halted for a second time at wimbledon today. earlier on today, to just stop oil protesters were arrested after they threw what they called environmental friendly confetti and a jigsaw on court 18. the group saying it targeted the tennis tournament because of a sponsorship deal with barclays , which has given, they say , £30 , which has given, they say, £30 billion to oil and gas companies

as over the last two years. in a statement just stop oil said we can't leave it to the next generation to pick up the pieces. well, we understand that play pieces. well, we understand that play has been stopped once again at wimbledon . details just at wimbledon. details just coming into us as soon as we have any more on that, we'll bnng have any more on that, we'll bring it to you. in the meantime , a red fly—past took , a red arrows fly—past took place today in the skies over edinburgh, concluding the king's coronation. there . a spectacular coronation. there. a spectacular red, white and blue sight in the skies at saint giles cathedral. the king two presented with the honours of scotland, the country's crown jewels. there was also a 21 gun salute at edinburgh castle before the royal procession returned to holyrood house. now the nhs has been honoured during a ceremony at westminster abbey today with the prime minister delivering a reading to mark its 75th

anniversary. >> i was sick and you took care of me . of me. >> short but sweet , he said. >> short but sweet, he said. a bit more than that, i can assure you. but anyway, that comes as labour warned the health service will not will die rather without out further investment and modernisation . in currently modernisation. in currently a record . 7.4 million people are record. 7.4 million people are on the waiting list and the government has acknowledged that number could get worse before it gets better . and there's number could get worse before it gets better. and there's anger over plans which would see the closure of almost every railway station ticket office in england. the proposal, which has been unveiled by the rail delivery group, affects hundreds of stations , with facilities of stations, with facilities only expected to remain open at the busiest locations as disability charities and unions are among those who voiced their concerns, saying it's going to impact vulnerable people and will lead to job losses . those will lead to job losses. those are your headlines. more on all those stories, head to our website, gb news. .com .

website, gb news. .com. >> well , is website, gb news. .com. >> well, is rishi sunak about to go back on a promise to send billions of pounds abroad to help fight climate change? and if so , is that a good thing? if so, is that a good thing? sunak government is reported to be considering ditching the uk's £11.6 billion promise to developing country the tories. well, i'm joined now by jack richardson, who's head of energy and climate change at onward energy. jack, thank you very much. what possible justification can there be for building some kind of flood defence in bangladesh defence system in bangladesh when skint over here? when we're all skint over here? >> well, thanks very much for having me on, patrick. >> so , so essentially i think >> so, so essentially i think the way to think about international climate finance is climate change is a global threat and there's going to be countries that are already under a lot more environmental pressure we are. pressure than we are. >> a of them are countries >> a lot of them are countries is that we're trying to reach

out we go politically out to as we go politically compete with countries like china. so if we can help them deal with the environmental pressures that they're being put under by climate change already right now, i think that's right now, then i think that's actually quite a good investment. but i know that there's lot of pressure on the there's a lot of pressure on the foreign aid budget and foreign aid budget already, and that in large part because that is in large part because we've been helping ukraine, which think is a very good which i think is a very good thing just another thing because it's just another example , isn't it, of us helping example, isn't it, of us helping the when here got the world when here we've got record waiting list, we've record nhs waiting list, we've got a housing crisis, we've got massive issues. >> everywhere you look, you've got security milk got security tags on milk because inflation so high, because inflation is so high, what benefit would i see from us spending £11.6 billion in? i don't know . eritrea don't know. eritrea >> so i understand it's difficult to sort of justify why foreign aid spending, but we have already cut the foreign aid budget in response to the need to spend more here. we cut it down from seven 0.7% of gdp to 0.5 in response. completely

understand why the government did that. but i think the uk, we're a country which does have an international presence. we're often very proud of that. we've been helping ukraine, we've been, you know , helping been, you know, helping countries across the world and i think helping them with climate change, which is as as as big a threat as it comes, is it is global. it is up there with, you know, nuclear armed nutcases . in know, nuclear armed nutcases. in russia, for example , if we can russia, for example, if we can help countries, which we're also trying to forge trade partnerships with and cooperate with them that way, then i think thatis with them that way, then i think that is a good investment. >> we be just paying >> would we not be just paying to them against china's to defend them against china's mess, i note that china mess, though? i note that china has pumped more , more has pumped out more, more greenhouse and bad things greenhouse gases and bad things into the atmosphere in the last ten years or so than we've done since the industrial revolution. why that? why are we paying for that? >> well , i why are we paying for that? >> well, i absolutely agree. i do think should pointing do think we should be pointing out countries that out to these countries that while part of offer while we're as part of our offer to we're up for helping to them, we're up for helping them deal with these pressures, which are their own which often are not their own fault. and we point to china

fault. and we can point to china and go, they're still pumping out lots of emissions. i think that's something that's absolutely something the government should do and i think it something the it is actually something the foreign has to foreign secretary has begun to do . actually i would do. and actually what i would like if may, is that like to see, if i may, is that we target our foreign aid budget much effectively, including much more effectively, including our international climate finance. just finance. so rather than just giving lots of money to the un to spend on programs which we might not see the immediate benefit from, i think we should target it far more effectively to commonwealth countries. so when we joined the eu, we kind of forgot about the commonwealth. and i think that the helping with climate change, with commonwealth countries who are often very much under threat from is a good from climate change, is a good way to sort of rebuild our relationship with our forgotten friends and allies. >> no, completely with you >> no, i'm completely with you on i don't why we on that. i don't know why we didn't of that to begin didn't do more of that to begin with, with you. it with, to be honest with you. it was a massive slap the face was a massive slap in the face to lot of commonwealth to a lot of commonwealth countries actually countries when we actually joined european union. but joined the european union. but when we add the of when we add up the cost of things ulez, all of these

things like ulez, all of these clean energy zones that we're having way through having right the way through to our international commitments and about, you know, and talking about, you know, everything that going to take everything that is going to take for us hit net zero people for to us hit net zero people banning the sale of petrol cars by 2030, if all of that comes in and then you add all of this to it, i can't but wonder, you know, does anyone have any idea how much this is costing us in a total amount of money? i suspect the answer i don't know the answer to that might be no, is it? but if the answer is no, isn't that deliberate? because if people knew the true cost, they'd it was mental. they'd think it was mental. >> so did some some >> so the did some some calculations. i can't quite remember. i think it was about 3% gdp out to 2030. and then 3% of gdp out to 2030. and then that's how come down as technology costs fall, the office budget responsible office for budget responsible motty said that it costs , i motty said that it costs, i think, around 300 billion, but then they said that the cost of doing nothing on climate change is far more and i think also we've just come through a gas price crisis where we've we've had to have a massive state intervention to basically subsidise everyone's energy bills. because of our

bills. and that's because of our reliance fuels. reliance on fossil fuels. so moving to sources moving over to cleaner sources of are now by far of energy, which are now by far cheapen of energy, which are now by far cheaper, more efficient and cheaper, much more efficient and cleaner, and will reduce our contribution to climate change. that for that is actually better for everyone's energy for everyone's energy bills, for instance. and then 11.6 billion, i don't think we're going to be able to hit that target now because we've been focusing on helping ukraine. but 11.6 billion 6 or 7 years is a billion over 6 or 7 years is a pretty good investment in terms of foreign aid spending. >> yeah, i just think it's interesting, though, because we kind walked foreign kind of walked off foreign aid budget by essentially what did i say, massaging it by using it to pay say, massaging it by using it to pay for what's going on in the channel as well. so there is the money that's going there. you mentioned there about we're paying mentioned there about we're paying okay. all paying for ukraine. okay. all right, an right, fine. we've got an archbishop canterbury he archbishop of canterbury now. he wants us to take part in some kind of global refugee agenda and there'll always be some thing. there will always be something . and, you know, something else. and, you know, meanwhile, here meanwhile, we have people here who between heating who are choosing between heating and eating. i'm just going to ask you a question you might laugh at this, but do want to

laugh at this, but i do want to know take on which is know your take on it, which is that when every horror show climate prediction the past climate prediction from the past has should the has been wrong, why should the british this british taxpayer believe this one and then pay for it? >> yeah, i understand the kind of doom mongering on climate. i don't really agree with it myself, but like we can't lose sight the that climate sight of the fact that climate change is a very real risk and it managing and it's a it does need managing and it's a risk which is already impacting countries around the world far more than it will necessarily impact us. we do still need to adapt ourselves. i'm absolutely convinced of that because we see flooding and heat waves affecting yields. for affecting our crop yields. for instance. but i think we absolutely , despite how absolutely, despite how annoying, just stop oil is, for instance, we can't lose sight of the fact that climate change is a very real threat and the uk should be at the forefront of helping to deal with it. >> all right, joe, thank you very, very much. i really do appreciate you coming on and putting with as well. josh putting up with me as well. josh richardson there. the head richardson there. he's the head of energy climate at onward

of energy and climate at onward energy. all right. energy. good lad. all right. okay so look, after a series of police the government police scandals, the government is action and trying is taking action and he's trying to it easier to sack rogue to make it easier to sack rogue officers, supposedly supposedly 2000 go look , 2000 coppers might go look, there are there are bad apples. i there are there are bad apples. | , there are there are bad apples. i , you can of some i mean, you can think of some very obvious examples of that horrendous stuff. i really pushed at this notion of pushed back at this notion of the being an institution the police being an institution full of rhiannon jones. so we'll find out exactly what the situation is very shortly. patrick christys on gb news, britain's news .

gbnews.com. at gb news.com. at 5:00. >> gbnews.com. at 5:00. >> i will mark the 75th birthday of the nhs . let's just remind of the nhs. let's just remind ourselves of the i did have an nhs birthday cake here, but i've eaten it in the last break. so there we go. the 75th birthday of the nhs by asking a very controversial question. but one i think that needs answering. why are all nhs staff angels ? why are all nhs staff angels? but now it's the news that the government is planning to make it easier to sack police officers. police has been officers. the police has been dogged a series of scandals dogged by a series of scandals in wayne cousins in recent years. wayne cousins obviously serving officer obviously was a serving officer when he kidnapped, raped and murdered sarah everard and david carrick pleaded guilty to 85 serious offences, including rapes and sexual assault . the rapes and sexual assault. the home office is now acting after met police commissioner sir mark rowley said the disciplinary system was bizarre and overregulated. so they're

looking really to streamline , i looking really to streamline, i think the i suppose sacking and dismissal process. joining me now is martin underhill, who is the former police and crime commissioner for dorset. thank you very much. are the police here just rolling over and taking an unnecessary kicking, do you think , or do they need this? >> i'll be honest, this? >> i'll be honest , patrick, >> i'll be honest, patrick, i heard your comment before the break. >> i think they do need this . >> i think they do need this. >> i think they do need this. >> this is an endemic issue that's been going on for a decade. that's been going on for a decade . when we saw the decade. when we saw the recession on, the police wage went down by 4 to £5000 a year and police vetting was cut by three quarters because there weren't enough cops on the streets. so the vetting units were basically disbanded . and were basically disbanded. and when you add those two things, you're attracting the wrong people. and we're not vetting them properly. and that's why you get the cousins and the correct situation. so i don't think every cop is bent . correct situation. so i don't think every cop is bent. i correct situation. so i don't think every cop is bent . i don't think every cop is bent. i don't think every cop is bent. i don't think every cop is bent. i don't think every cop is a is a but i share your view that you said as you went into the break. but

when you look at the figures that mark rowley is talking about, the met is 25% of policing. so if he's saying he needs to get rid of 500 officers, that is 2000 officers in the country . and actually, in the country. and actually, when i was a police crime commissioner at dorset, we had 3 or 4 more independent chair decisions that myself and the chief constable were deeply unhappy and we had no unhappy about. and we had no form of redress know, an independent chair said, we're going to abolish the officer and let them keep their job. and in one case, that officer had committed and we had no committed theft and we had no recall to change that decision. so think the system is so i do think the system is broken. i do it needs broken. i do think it needs change ing and i think it's about time that we change things and put it back to how it was ten years ago. chief constable has made that decision. >> do we have a disproportionate number of dodgy cops ? number of dodgy cops? >> that's $1 million question. i don't think we've got a disproportionate number of dodgy cops. i think society standards have changed. i think

expectations of our cops have changed in the last 20 years. what a cop did 20 years ago was accepted. now it's a discipline hearing. society's changed. policing hasn't caught up. does that mean we've got more people who are going to face discipline hearings? probably yes. particularly when you add the issue of low which issue of the low wage, which attracts wrong people . well, attracts the wrong people. well, and issues which are and the vetting issues which are now thankfully being rectified . now thankfully being rectified. >> and why is the wage then? well i'll when i left as a police crime commissioner, the starting wage for a police officer was roughly 2220 3000. >> and as i said to my constituents, you could earn that working in mcdonald's. constituents, you could earn that working in mcdonald's . and that working in mcdonald's. and it's just crazy starting wage for a very, very difficult job. and it's hardly a good way to start your career pathway on 22, £23,000 a year. and that was enforced by the government against the advice of chief constables against the advice of police crime commissioners. and i think that's when the rot set in. i mean, remember, i am an

old person . i'm your typical old person. i'm your typical armchair detective . armchair detective. >> motty go on. >> motty go on. >> but when i joined the police, i remember being told 1 in 100 applicants i got the job. now it's 1 in 2 applicants i got the job. now it's1 in 2 applicants, gets the it's 1 in 2 applicants, gets the job because nobody's applying because they're seriously because they're seriously because they're seriously because they don't pay the wage . can you imagine? >> imagine getting it. just >> imagine not getting it. just look yourself in mirror. look at yourself in the mirror. go earth? how did i not go what on earth? how did i not get this job? you know ? get this job? you know? >> and on top of that, patrick didn't give any cake for the didn't give me any cake for the nhs . he ate it didn't give me any cake for the nhs. he ate it all during the break. >> i've eaten the cake. i have. i'm sorry. i've eaten the cake. all right? eaten the be all right? i've eaten the be happy birthday and acas. there you go. but no, seriously, you go. but no, but seriously, i mean, do we have a problem mean, do. do we have a problem now, though, when it comes to you said attracting wrong you said attracting the wrong type it a job that type of person. is it a job that attracts people who are on a power trip ? is it or is there an power trip? is it or is there an element of this which is that the police can't do right for doing wrong? you want to move somebody from, you know, glued themselves to a road , you themselves to a road, you

getting shouted out by the public, let's start the public, let's start on the other. and rip the hand other. and then you rip the hand off pavement and you find off the pavement and you find yourself in a disciplinary hearing. you stop and search someone. a sudden you're someone. all of a sudden you're a it very, a racist. i mean, is it very, very now? very difficult now? >> it is very difficult . and >> now it is very difficult. and i actually respect someone who joins force in 2023 joins the police force in 2023 because don't forget, because is don't forget, everything now is on camera . so everything now is on camera. so that's what i was saying about 20 years ago. what was tolerable covid, if you like, is no longer tolerated because it's on tick tock it's immediately tock. it's immediately filmed every decision a police officer makes individually or as a police force is under public scrutiny. and that makes it a hugely difficult. it takes really, really unusual skills to be an effective frontline police officer in 2023. and you're not going to get that person if you don't pay the wage to make it worthwhile . but they have unique worthwhile. but they have unique skills. i admire them enormously . you mentioned earlier our angels in the nhs nurses have unique skills . these are certain unique skills. these are certain skill sets that we as a country

should be proud of and we don't pay should be proud of and we don't pay or recompense them. so it's hardly a surprise that we end up on strike either. >> this is the thing. i think i'm right in saying you can't you're not allowed to go on strike either. you? i strike either. are you? i don't think officers. think police officers. >> interesting. you're >> well, interesting. you're talking regulations talking about the regulations changingin a matter of months changed in a matter of months because it's just a quick statutory instrument through parliament. isn't like parliament. it isn't like changing law, changing employment law, but they you they can't go on strike. so you have to have a trade off. but i actually think we've got to get back if a police back to basics. if a police officer inappropriately deals back to basics. if a police offic

power to remove up to 40% of a police officer's pension. i don't think that's being done enough , and i think the public enough, and i think the public would expect that happen. would expect that to happen. in every where someone's sent every case where someone's sent to jail. >> martin thank you very much. martin there is the martin underhill. there is the former crime former police and crime commissioner dorset. right. commissioner for dorset. right. okay. i said okay. now yesterday i said i would never talk about my appearance on the dreamboys again. okay. well, i'm afraid i was wrong about that, but it's for a good reason because i'm going to talk about it right now. it will be the last time, although possibly maybe a bit later in the show. actually later on in the show. actually you see, finally the you see, we finally closed the justgiving page last night, which thankfully so many of you have actually donated to. now around about a year ago, i said that i would get in shape and i would dance with a group of male strippers all for the mental health charity mind. and last wednesday, i finally did it. and it was, to be honest with you, the greatest experience ounce of

my life. i absolutely enjoyed it. even though a lot of you people had to, of course, sit through it and endure it. well, we did decide that we were going to close donations. yes, that was my backside that came out there. we did decide that we were going to close donations last and i'm hoping that last night. and i'm hoping that we might be able to reveal to you exactly how much money that we have raised. i can reveal to you that we've given you have given an incredible . £110,206. given an incredible. £110,206. but on top of that out, there's more than £18,000 in gift aid. so actually, we have raised you have raised about 130 grand for the mental health charity mind. thank you. thank you . thank you thank you. thank you. thank you very much to everybody who has donated, given their hard earned cash in the middle of a cost of living crisis. it's been a fantastic campaign . if you're fantastic campaign. if you're going to do something, you know , try it properly. and we

, try and do it properly. and we certainly tried to do everything that we possibly could in to order money people order raise money for people struggling with mental health issues. want to say issues. and i just want to say thank that final thank you. that final grand total shy of 133,000 total is just shy of 133,000 thousand pounds. that will save lives. so thank you very much, everybody. now, in the next hounl everybody. now, in the next hour, i am going to be speaking to the one, the only mick lynch off of the rmt . but we have off of the rmt. but we have found a subject that we both agree on and actually, i'm really looking forward to that particular chat. and the national health service is 75 years old today. well done . our years old today. well done. our beloved . here's a question beloved nhs. here's a question for you are all their staff the angels that we've always been told they are ? i will be having told they are? i will be having a rip roaring discussion on all of that. i'm patrick christys on gb news and we are britain's news .

channel it's 5 pm, it's patrick christys. it's gb news. happy birthday to our beloved nhs. 75 years old today are all nhs, nhs staff angels easy for me to say. there we go. i'm going to be having that big discussion very, very shortly and i'm very much looking forward to this. mick lynch is about to join me off of the rmt. he's going to kick off, but we have a of but we have found a point of agreement because we are hurtling cashless hurtling towards a cashless society also mean

society. it will also mean potentially anyway, fewer jobs as ticket offices that accept cash at train stations around the country could close. this is a terrible thing. i'm looking forward to having chat with a terrible thing. i'm looking forwavery having chat with a terrible thing. i'm looking forwavery shortly. chat with a terrible thing. i'm looking forwavery shortly. and at with a terrible thing. i'm looking forwavery shortly. and should mick very shortly. and should we be keeping of be keeping religion out of immigration or what's going on in the channel? it comes as archbishop justin welby and a whole host of other religious figures as have joined figures as well have joined forces criticise the illegal forces to criticise the illegal migration do you all migration bill. what do you all make that? patrick christys make of that? patrick christys on gb news is . loads to go out on gb news is. loads to go out today. gb views gb news .com . today. gb views gb news .com. how do you feel about the nhs turning 75? does it need urgent reform or do you think it is a sacred cow that is worth preserving? gb views or gb news .com. now though, headlines with polly . patrick polly. patrick >> thank you. good afternoon. an impressive red arrows fly past has taken place over the last

hourin has taken place over the last hour in the skies over edinburgh concluding the king's coronation in scotland. take a look . if in scotland. take a look. if you're listing on radio. the sky painted red, white and blue there as the red arrows fly over and at st giles' cathedral, the king was presented with the honours of scotland . that's the honours of scotland. that's the country's crown jewels . there country's crown jewels. there was also a 21 gun salute at edinburgh castle before the royal procession returned to holyrood house. the prince and princess of wales, known in scotland as the duke and duchess of rothesay, were among those present as were the duke and duchess of edinburgh . now, as duchess of edinburgh. now, as you've been hearing, the nhs has been honoured today during a ceremony at westminster abbey, with the prime minister delivering a reading to mark its 75th birthday. >> i was sick and you took care of me . of me. >> and that has labour warned

the health service will die without further investment and modernisation in a record 7.4 million people are currently on waiting lists and the government's acknowledged that number could get worse before , number could get worse before, before it gets better . before it gets better. >> deeply angry about the two tier system we have in our country today where those who can afford it are paying to go private and those who can't afford are being left behind afford it are being left behind . my answer would be in the short term, where there is spare capacity private sector , capacity in the private sector, we should be paying for it . on we should be paying for it. on nhs terms so that people who can't afford it are getting it free at the point of use. that would be my answer. i've got no objection to using private sector capacity to get nhs waiting lists down faster . waiting lists down faster. >> well, the health minister, maria caulfield, who also happens to be a nurse, says strike action is just putting more pressure on the nhs. although we've got more people on the waiting list, although we've got more people on the waiting list , the waiting on the waiting list, the waiting times are coming down and i think for most people who are waiting for an operation or a

procedure, it's how long they wait. >> not who else on that >> not who else is on that waiting list. and we've eliminated the two year wait. we've virtually eliminated the 18 we're now 18 month wait and we're now working who waiting working on those who are waiting for so it's really for a year. so it's really important that we do that. and strike action doesn't help , to strike action doesn't help, to be honest. it does mean that procedure hours and operations are often cancelled. so that's why we do want the unions to come the table try and come round the table and try and resolve patients. now resolve that for patients. now >> now the wimbledon tennis tournament disrupted by just tournament was disrupted by just stop oil twice today , a stop oil twice today, a protester has been arrested on suspicion of aggravated trespass and criminal damage after confetti was first of all thrown on court 18. and that comes after two other just stop on court 18. and that comes after two otherjust stop oil after two other just stop oil activists were detained for targeting the same court . the targeting the same court. the group says it took action because of the tournament's sponsorship deal with barclays , sponsorship deal with barclays, which it says has given £30 billion to oil and gas companies over the last two years. and earlier today , security staff at earlier today, security staff at london's famous department store, harrods also removed a

group of protesters. john just stop oil were pictured holding placards on an escalator in the luxury store and video was posted to the group's twitter account showing staff evicting a photographer. it's the latest in a series of stunts as the group calls for the government to end new fossil fuel licences . now new fossil fuel licences. now the united kingdom has signed a new partnership deal with poland aimed at increasing foreign policy and defence cooperation. the foreign secretary , james the foreign secretary, james cleverly and defence secretary ben wallace earlier met with the poush ben wallace earlier met with the polish defence minister to agree on their mutual priorities, including issues in belarus and china . the new 2030 strategic china. the new 2030 strategic partnership builds on the 2017 uk poland treaty, which provided a framework for improved cooperation between the two nato states . mr wallace praised states. mr wallace praised poland for its ongoing support for ukraine since the start of the russian invasion . the russian invasion. >> britain and poland puts its money where its mouth is. >> it hasn't just condemned

russia with words, it has condemned russia with its direct support to ukraine, using russian airfields. >> so polish airfields to help get into ukraine, the very important equipment that was needed right from the start . needed right from the start. >> now there's anger over plans which would see most the closure of almost every railway station ticket office in england. the proposal , ticket office in england. the proposal, unveiled by the rail delivery group affects hundreds of stations across england, with facilities only expected to remain open at the busiest stations. disability charities and unions are among those who voiced their concerns, saying it's bound to impact vulnerable people and of course, lead to job losses . the decision about job losses. the decision about which offices will close will be made after a consultation process today. schools across england have been forced to close or restrict access to students with teachers walking off the job in a row over pay.

it's their seventh strike. this yean it's their seventh strike. this year, and unions have warned there'll be more action in the autumn if a deal can't be reached as well as lessons. end of term events like school trips and sports days are also being disrupted. members of the national education union are due to walk out again on friday. you're up to date on gb news. more news as it happens. back now to . now to. patrick >> well, loads to get through. let's get started. the nhs is celebrating its 75th birthday day today and bear in mind again , just want to remind everyone the nhs, it's not some kind of cult, it's not a sacred cow . cult, it's not a sacred cow. rishi sunak attended a service at westminster abbey this morning where both he and sir keir starmer gave religious readings. the health secretary, steve barclay, said the nhs is

our most treasured national institution. the tributes have been pouring in. we're going to light up buildings in blue later on as well. we have stopped just short by the way, of a state mandated clap a thon in the streets this evening and allowing all children or forcing them at gunpoint to chant about them at gunpoint to chant about the nhs at the start of their school day. but do we need to stop looking at our health service through rose tinted glasses, putting everyone one that works for it on a pedestal 7 that works for it on a pedestal ? or actually, are they all heroes ? joining me now is tv heroes? joining me now is tv personality steve miller. steve, thank you very much. do you think that everyone who works for nhs is an angel? >> well, i think there are some people in the nhs. >> in fact, many people in the nhs who do great work and they are angels. let's park those to the side a minute because also i believe there are many that work in the nhs that are rude, that are obnoxious, that are lazy and are obnoxious, that are lazy and are incompetent and actually i think you'd find that the general public tend to agree

with me . and you know, like with me. and you know, like i say, there are many that do great work. so let's, let's not forget that however it starts , forget that however it starts, there are different categories of stuff that that aren't angels. you have, for example, the that sometimes the doctor's receptionist that's like a terrier with lockjaw or, you know, that's kind of fighting you on the phone because you want to you want to an appointment with the gp, you've got nurses. many do a great job. >> many are angels, many are not. >> and i'll tell you why, because i've witnessed it. >> i've witnessed those nurses eyes that are on that nurses station on their phone doing the gossip. yeah. so many nurses are not angels. many need to go on an empathy deepening course. i'll tell you, the staff group that do do a great job, though , patrick. >> most of them anyway. >> most of them anyway. >> the vast majority, from my experience, are the health care assistants and the carers that are out there . those people are are out there. those people are the grafters. let's not forget

that. and can i tell you this right ? i never forget seeing right? i never forget seeing a dietician on. you know, i was just meeting with a dietician, an who actually quite frankly, was as wide as the room i'm in now. and actually was so quite hostile towards me . i actually hostile towards me. i actually thought at one point she was going to eat me yourself. >> good grief. i mean, yes, to be fair, that does bring back memories of me when a doctor whose gut was hanging over the table was telling me that my cholesterol was too high. but to be fair, he was right. i just thought maybe it was wrong thought maybe it was the wrong person be saying that to me. person to be saying that to me. but look, the nhs staff saved lives. 1 million people day lives. 1 million people a day apparently treatment and apparently get nhs treatment and the me is, steve, the thing for me is, steve, i think every family pretty think every single family pretty much has probably got one great nhs story and one absolute horror show and the two kind of cancel each other out a little bit, don't they? how do you respond to people then when they say, oh, you know, they're all angels and you know, we all need to go out and clap them and that

we've got this religious service today minister today where our prime minister and person and quite possibly the person who's to be our prime who's about to be our prime minister are reading from the bible about our nhs. i find it nauseating and i'll tell you why. >> because actually the nhs is completely broken. it's a right mess, isn't it? look at the waiting list. why are we actually celebrating it? and also, you know, i hear this all the time where people say it's the time where people say it's the envy of the world. >> and no, it's not. >> no one no one around the world adopts it, as far as i know. so actually, the answer is no . but i actually think there's no. but i actually think there's another thing , the performance another thing, the performance management of people in the nhs is very lenient, very lenient. it's very rare. you hear of people being sacked in the nhs. compare that to the prime sector. you've got to big different worlds and i'm going to tell you something now that you probably don't know. i worked in the nhs for five years and i'll tell you what i was. i was i was a pen pusher. i wouldn't have paid me in

washers, right , wouldn't have paid me in washers, right, right. >> fair enough. i think you've exposed something else there, though, which is a really big bugbear of mine. we do pay enough for our nhs now. it's a question of is that money then distributed well enough? in my view , the answer to that clearly view, the answer to that clearly is no . you cannot have a is no. you cannot have a workforce that is, by and large pretty much all unhappy with their pay. i think the consultants can do one, by the way, because their average salary is something like 100 grand they're talking about salary is something like 100 grand on they're talking about salary is something like 100 grand on strike.re talking about salary is something like 100 grand on strike. i'milking about salary is something like 100 grand on strike. i'm sorry, about salary is something like 100 grand on strike. i'm sorry, butjt going on strike. i'm sorry, but , something on , you know, say something on that. >> i want to say something on that because i feel very strongly is when those people are on strike and denying are going on strike and denying our public the treatment they desperately need on those days, they can work in the private sector and earn a lot of money. thatis sector and earn a lot of money. that is a disgrace . it's an that is a disgrace. it's an absolute national disgrace and people should be outraged with it. and frankly, doctors and consultants, they're not badly off, are they? have you ever known a poor doctor, ever known

a poor consultant? yes. we pay for their brains and that is important. but they get a great pension. they get great sickness, entitlements . it's sickness, entitlements. it's something that you would not see in the private sector. >> no. and we end up, you know, i do have support for nurses. i did get very, very agitated about nurses going on strike when it was things like cancer wards with children in it or intensive care and stuff like that. and i just thought, look, i'm sorry, i understand you i'm sorry, i understand that you want money, but i do think want more money, but i do think that out of order. i that was bang out of order. i think just just morally so that was my view on it. i got a bit of stick for that time, of stick for that at the time, but that's where i'm at with it. okay. think think that's okay. i think i think that's that's just my view. i'm not really going to apologise any more but when i look more for that, but when i look at people are towards at the people who are towards the end of the as well, the top end of the nhs as well, so aren't the people who so these aren't the people who are at coalface, these are at the coalface, these aren't quotes on quotes, aren't the quotes on quotes, angels are at the bedside or angels who are at the bedside or intubate ing someone or slapping a onto bloke's a defibrillator onto a bloke's chest a cardiac chest as he has a cardiac arrest. a lot of these people chest as he has a cardiac arrecompletely these people chest as he has a cardiac arre completely faceless, ople chest as he has a cardiac arre completely faceless, a le chest as he has a cardiac arrecompletely faceless, a lot

are completely faceless, a lot of them these ridiculous of them have these ridiculous jobs, the head of jobs, whether it's the head of diversity or whatever the heck it they're six figure it is. they're on six figure salaries the rest. and salaries and the rest. and i just think, know, these just think, you know, these people, classed as nhs people, they're classed as nhs workers. not angels. people, they're classed as nhs worno,. not angels. people, they're classed as nhs worno, no. not angels. people, they're classed as nhs worno, no. we not angels. people, they're classed as nhs worno, no. we need angels. people, they're classed as nhs worno, no. we need to gels. people, they're classed as nhs worno, no. we need to get. people, they're classed as nhs worno, no. we need to get rid of >> no, no. we need to get rid of the need to get rid of a lot the we need to get rid of a lot of these bureaucrats. listen i used to work amongst them years ago, tell you what they ago, and i'll tell you what they used arrange a meeting. to used to arrange a meeting. to have another meeting to have another meeting, then write a report the meeting, to have report on the meeting, to have another meeting. it was absolutely steroids , absolutely waffle on steroids, as that's the right phrase. as if that's the right phrase. and the money should be pumped into the medical of the into the medical areas of the nhs. absolutely. but i'm sorry, when it comes to those medical personnel as well , not all of personnel as well, not all of them are angels , as many do. them are angels, as many do. like i said at the top of this discussion, many do have a bad attitude or many do need an empathy course . many are empathy course. many are obnoxious and they need to realise actually who pays their salary . salary. >> well, that's an interesting point. you public. it's interesting point because the nhs medical negligence bill and

this is for nhs england and i've got the stats here, which actually is quite staggering. £128.2 billion is set to be the amount which will be needed to settle nhs england's negligence claims. that's a 52% year on year increase. a lot of that is in the maternity sector as well, which is particularly devastating. i think , when we devastating. i think, when we assume what the consequence is. there must have been and you know, when you look at it like that and you think, well, actually, hang on a minute, is everyone who works in the nhs a hero ? hero? >> they're not an a hero. no, not at all. many make mistakes. we all know that. we've seen the press the press reports on it as well. but i do come back to as well. but i do come back to as well all this issue around product safety and conduct of nhs personnel. when i'm talking about conduct, i'm talking about attitude , the ability to help attitude, the ability to help people , the ability to talk to

people, the ability to talk to people, the ability to talk to people in a courteous manner, the ability to actually find a solution for the person you're deaung solution for the person you're dealing with . and i'm sorry, dealing with. and i'm sorry, whilst many do that really well in the nhs , we have, in my in the nhs, we have, in my opinion , been a real bulk of opinion, been a real bulk of people that are absolutely useless. i would not pay them in washers. >> steve, thank you very much. it's an insightful if not want to. >> i want to tell you something , by the way, patrick christie, have you been have you been nibbling chocolate cake ? nibbling on a chocolate cake? >> oh, i wonder what you said then. what was that? have i been. i've been i've eaten the nhs birthday cake. steve yeah. >> oh, well, listen, >> oh, yeah. well, listen, listen, just want to give you listen, i just want to give you a warning because we a little warning because we don't you becoming wobbly don't want you becoming a wobbly backslider right no, backslider again. no. right no, just careful because you're just be careful because you're looking very, very gorgeous at the moment. very, very, very , the moment. very, very, very, very well. won't say it at very well. i won't say it at this time. the day. but this time. time of the day. but you're looking great. just you're looking great. so just watch putting in watch what you're putting in your i will see. your mouth and i will see. >> i've already decided i'm not going anything else for going to eat anything else for the of the and i'll do

the rest of the day. and i'll do a few press ups and sit ups when i get home. but thank you very, very much, steve miller. they're not yourself. tv not looking too bad yourself. tv personality the show, personality friend of the show, friend channel. good friend of the channel. good luck. look, here's luck. right. okay look, here's controversial stuff, but i thought lot about thought we've spoken a lot about some of the good stuff. the nhs does a lot of the good stuff. the just think it's the nhs does. i just think it's a bit much to have a 75th birthday party, including a church today that sees church ceremony today that sees our minister, potentially church ceremony today that sees our future minister, potentially church ceremony today that sees our future prime er, potentially church ceremony today that sees our future prime minister, ially the future prime minister, the current the current leader of the opposition, giving out a church reading. got someone who reading. you've got someone who delivered the first vaccine outside of a clinical trial carrying george cross carrying the george cross through westminster abbey. the archbishop is archbishop of canterbury is there. a little there. you know, it is a little bit much when think bit much when you think about the that probably does the idea that it probably does need reform and that need radical reform and that radical way, may radical reform, by the way, may well bring it increased pay well bring with it increased pay for lot the members of for a lot of the members of staff in there, which i think we can agree is needed for the most part in a lot of areas of the nhs. and you bracket it up nhs. and when you bracket it up to kind religious to some kind of religious ceremony, it seem ceremony, it does make it seem perfect untouchable, doesn't perfect and untouchable, doesn't it? i think is the it? and that i think is the opposite we need. steve opposite of what we need. steve made a good there. if the

made a good point there. if the nhs is the envy of the nhs really is the envy of the world, then is nobody else world, then why is nobody else copying system? more on this copying our system? more on this on though. gb news on our website though. gb news .com. fastest growing .com. the fastest growing national news site in the country. got best country. it's got the best analysis, opinion and all analysis, big opinion and all the breaking but the latest breaking news. but now, you already know, gb now, as you may already know, gb news to stop news is campaigning to stop the uk a cashless society. uk becoming a cashless society. the called don't the campaign is called don't kill it's already kill cash, and it's already proving be hugely so proving to be hugely popular. so far. 116,000 people far. more than 116,000 people have petition. loads have signed our petition. loads of retailers are choosing to only accept card payments. vulnerable people will be excluded marginalised from excluded and marginalised from society if this is allowed to happen. a massive 5.4 million adults still rely on cash and it's used in 6 billion transactions every year. but but a lot of vested interests are pushing for it to be permanently replaced by debit and credit cards or their electronic payments as well . we want the payments as well. we want the government to introduce legislation committing to protect the status of cash as legal tender and as a widely accepted means of payment until uk the uk sorry, until at uk in the uk sorry, until at least 2050, we're asking you to

sign our petition, make our voices heard . it's on our voices heard. it's on our website gb news .com forward slash cash . or if you've got slash cash. or if you've got a smartphone, use it to click on the qr code on your screen right now and it will take you to the petition. how gb news with our campaign and tell those authorities don't kill cash. but here is an example of exactly how big companies are trying to kill cash. and frankly as well potentially jobs as well, by the way. but train companies are trying to close thousands of ticket offices now, as you might expect , mick lynch off of the expect, mick lynch off of the rmt isn't happy about that. but this is good because neither am i. and we have a rare point of agreement between myself and mick lynch. i am really looking forward this conversation, forward to this conversation, actually. so when come actually. so when we come back, we've a bit of mick we've gone and got a bit of mick lynch. great stuff. patrick

or head straight to gb news .com i >> welcome back. okay so coming up a little bit later in the show as justin welby once again criticises the illegal migration bill i will ask if it's time for him and other religious leaders to keep their nose out on migration issues or is it part of their job, frankly, to try to bestow a moral virtue onto all of us? and the national health service has been lauded, of course, as a cornerstone of national life. many people think it's the best thing ever, really. it's its 75th birthday, but there are signs that it could be well , showing its age a

could be well, showing its age a little bit. so we're going to be having a little look at all of that. but this is a good topic for us. a train companies have just announced proposals to close down hundreds of ticket offices across england . and that offices across england. and that means more and more people means that more and more people would have rely on would have to rely on smartphones and apps to buy tickets. so it's cashless basically . and this is one of basically. and this is one of the reasons why we have launched our gb news don't kill cash campaign. both consumer groups and disability campaigners, for that matter, have already voiced their concerns about the proposed closures. now this chap's name was floated about and it works meeting earlier on and it works meeting earlier on and he was seen as some kind of pipe and he was seen as some kind of pipe dream. there's no way that mick lynch will come and mick lynch will come on and talk. he is. he's the talk. well, here he is. he's the rmt general secretary. mick lynch. mick, it's great to have you thank you very much. i you on. thank you very much. i think we might have found a rare point of agreement, which is that absolutely bonkers point of agreement, which is that really absolutely bonkers point of agreement, which is that really it'ssolutely bonkers point of agreement, which is that really it's a lutely bonkers point of agreement, which is that really it's a realy bonkers point of agreement, which is that really it's a real shamezrs point of agreement, which is that really it's a real shame if and really it's a real shame if these facility are closed. no >> well, it is. well will be a real shame. >> and it's not just about

ticket closures. it's ticket office closures. it's about of our about the de—staffing of our railway the ticket office. railway and the ticket office. closure for that. the closure is a ruse for that. the way works this country is way it works in this country is we regulated ticket office we have regulated ticket office opening and that tells us opening hours and that tells us how many ticket office staff should be there, what they're going to do in this campaign , going to do in this campaign, which we're resisting, obviously, and we hope that disabled passenger access disabled groups passenger access groups, women's and all groups, women's groups and all sorts of people who are interested will join our campaign to respond to this consultation. they're hoping to get rid of all these regulations , and that means there will be no or barriers to them. no laws or barriers to them. de—staffing all stations, any station in the country could then be destaffed and they will do that. we've seen the documents today. that means that most stations will have no staff in attendance whatsoever . so in attendance whatsoever. so that means if an elderly person or a person with disability or a person with visibility issues needs to buy a ticket, that will be a problem, but then navigate in their way around the system , in their way around the system, you know, across a platforms

onto the train , they could be onto the train, they could be without assistance and indeed what they want these people to rely on, patrick, is that they'll then use an app to get rather than having a friendly member of staff who's competent and knows what they're doing, they'll have to ring up a call centre use an app. and if centre or use an app. and if somebody's available, given the amount of job cuts they're putting through, they may get assistance. if there's somebody in the area on a van or riding on a train themselves. so we are looking at compulsory redundancies of station staff right across the piece . we've right across the piece. we've been served with statutory redundancy notices today by most of the companies and they are cutting more than 1000 jobs that we believe out of the system. and that is an attack on what kind of railway we want, what we want is a friendly g secure environment where people can know if you're a granny wants to go on a train, they can get assistance, you can leave them there, they can get on with it. if your child needs to travel on a train, on their own, they can

get friendly staff that they know are properly identified. and end is with and what will end up is with a mugger's paradise. the people will know that stations not will know that stations are not staffed, are the muggers, the drug dealers, the anti—social, all that want to take all the people that want to take drugs or take drinks in our in our stations because there'll be nobody the secure nobody there with the secure environment. now, this is dehumanising the railway. it is. and it's exactly what we've been campaigning against. were campaigning against. we were told we were scaremongering and now it's revealed they are going to close every single, every single ticket office on our network. and that will mean mass de—staffing and a very dehumanising railway going forward. no, no, exactly . forward. no, no, exactly. >> i mean, this is actually and you've really well articulated a load of different issues all rolled into one here. right? and i mean, i can see this coming together in some kind of potent cocktail of disaster, which is somewhat better , like my grandma somewhat better, like my grandma who tries her best but might not be the best with technology, goes to station thinking goes to a train station thinking that can get some out that she can get some cash out of and meet someone of her purse and meet someone

and for a ticket, then that and pay for a ticket, then that can't happen. so then she's messing around with her phone and there's there. and then there's nobody there. and lad decides and then a young lad decides he's phone and he's going to nick her phone and probably purse as well. probably a purse as well. there's no one for her to call. she anywhere. you can she can't get anywhere. you can just coming together just see it all coming together and a lot of stem from and a lot of this does stem from like just said there, the like you just said there, the dehumanisation of train facilities and presumably others like them go like them wanting them to go digital . and obviously, digital. and obviously, crucially to our campaign as well, cashless, which we well, to go cashless, which we certainly don't want. i've got to ask, you know, would you then i know that your primary focus, of course, is on workers rights and of that as indeed it and all of that as indeed it should be. but would you would you back our campaign don't you back our campaign to don't kill because it kill cash? because i think it just of into it a bit, just kind of tie into it a bit, doesn't it? >> absolutely. we don't want cash go out. it becomes more cash to go out. it becomes more and difficult for people on and more difficult for people on low instance, who low budgets, for instance, who use as means of use cash as a means of controlling weekly and controlling their weekly and monthly if you monthly spend because if you take a fixed amount money and take a fixed amount of money and budget means you're budget to that, it means you're in control to some extent of your life. and if you're just doing it on the card or doing it

on of tap method, you on some kind of tap method, you can quickly out of control can quickly run out of control of life and of course, what of your life and of course, what these do apps these algorithms do on apps and websites is that they sell you the thing they want. you to sell you. what a friendly professional train railway worker would do is maybe sell you the best ticket you can get . for instance, they might say to you, if you wait minutes, to you, if you wait ten minutes, mate, you'll get a much bigger discount . an app won't tell you discount. an app won't tell you that. discount. an app won't tell you that . and certainly a ticket that. and certainly a ticket vending machine , which is what vending machine, which is what they're to use, will they're asking us to use, will not say, well, stand to one side. an off peak train side. there's an off peak train coming in ten minutes. and if you get that one or travel at this or service, this time or use this service, you'll better value. you'll get much better value. sometimes that's a third or a quarter price of what the quarter of the price of what the app quarter of the price of what the app or the algorithm is going to give you. so there's a whole series of things coming together , makes the , which i think makes the railway i want to see railway hostile. i want to see a vibrant railway that people can trust and rely on where they feel secure, you know , poor old feel secure, you know, poor old worker that's finishing a late shift on the which i just saw

you talking about at half 11 at night and has then got a trudge through a completely dehumanised row railway or bus system without any human contact is not the way we want to live. we want our public services to have a human face to them that we can rely on. and there's a whole amalgam of issues. we've we've had loads of people contact us from women's groups who feel vulnerable travelling on their own. they want make sure own. they want to make sure a guard's they want make guard's there. they want to make sure a station there to sure a station worker's there to escort or just look, escort them or just look, oversee situation . an and oversee the situation. an and what getting rid of these regulations mean is could regulations mean is there could be no one there. we've had this before, by the way, in the london on many stations london area and on many stations where they've just been crime venues after a while. and be sure they will be staff every single train, every single station they can get away with in the pursuit of their ends , in the pursuit of their ends, which is profit. at the end of the day. and they're making very healthy out of the healthy profits out of the railway. just now, mick, look, thank you very much. >> do appreciate you >> i really do appreciate you coming on. i really do appreciate you helping you

appreciate you helping to, you know, our campaign know, help with our campaign as well few seriously well and raising a few seriously key issues there. and it is it does all does all roll into does all it does all roll into one. it is important because one. and it is important because you is definitely a you know, there is definitely a 100% rights issue 100% of workers rights issue here. is. here. of course there is. there's a element to this there's a human element to this as well. there's a public safety bit on it. there's also just the pure ability to be able to pay in cash. and i do think you actually made a good point there, which was about this idea that if there is a human being there and you have the capacity to in cash, there is to then pay in cash, there is actually chance that actually a chance that that might save money because might save you money because that's i hadn't that's an angle on it. i hadn't thought about, actually. if you are of these apps, then are on one of these apps, then yeah, is the incentive of yeah, what is the incentive of an to try to actually an algorithm to try to actually get you the best deal? so there's to mick there's a lot to it. mick i really appreciate your time. thank you very much. take care. mick lynch who is the rmt mick lynch there. who is the rmt general secretary. lots of fascinating there. lots fascinating points there. lots of let's get of fascinating points. let's get your in your views coming in gbviews@gbnews.com. loads more still come now and still to come between now and 6 pm. justin welby once again pm. as justin welby once again criticises illegal migration criticises the illegal migration bill, if it's time bill, i will ask if it's time for and other religious

for him and other religious leaders nose out leaders to keep their nose out of immigration . but first, it is of immigration. but first, it is your latest headlines with polly . patrick. >> thank you. the top stories this hour, a red arrows fly past has taken place today in the skies over edinburgh, including coronation celebrations in scotland. take a look . if you're scotland. take a look. if you're listening on radio and you can't take a look, the skies emblazoned with red, white and blue as the red arrows made their way across the city. and earlier st giles' cathedral king charles was presented with the honours of scotland, the country's crown jewels. there was also a 21 gun salute at edinburgh castle before the royal procession. the event saw several protests, with police scotland confirming two women were arrested after they allegedly tried to climb over crowd barriers . now, also in the

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commit to what he calls a long term international refugee policy , that he's not really policy, that he's not really been more specific on that, but he says would uphold all of the moral virtues that we need. i've got to be honest. from where i'm sitting, we do have a long term refugee policy, which is, of course, just to let them all in and then let them stay long term . but we're going to have a discussion all now discussion about all of this now and or not the re and whether or not the re religious leaders figures religious leaders and figures should stay out of should probably stay out of border control . i'm should probably stay out of border control. i'm joined by the anglican bishop of the christian episcopal church. reverend doctor gavin ashenden. it's quite the introduction that it's quite the introduction that i must say. and human rights lawyer shoaib khan as well. thank you very much, both of you. i think in the in the in the current context of what we're talking about, it's probably only fair that i go to the religious chap first. so we'll to gavin, do you we'll go to you. gavin, do you think religious figures think that religious figures like the archbishop of canterbury stay out canterbury should maybe stay out of our border control discussion

or at least stop floating additional policy? maybe everyone's entitled to have a view about the political future of this country and there are two views when it comes to migration. >> one is the view that you want to have compassion on people seeking a better life and the other view is that you have a duty to people who whose country it is and who need some form of social stability and social cohesion. >> i'm talking from normandy in france at the moment. >> and france has been overwhelmed by social conflagration produced by rioters from people who were seeking, who were immigrants, and difficulties that's and the difficulties that's caused french society have just been enormous. >> the reason that justin welby shouldn't talk about it is because he has responsibility to anglicans who represent both sides of the political spectrum , and he can't pursue one political solution without betraying people for whom he's supposed to have a spiritual and pastoral brief on the other. >> so he in particular is not

entitled to pursue one view of this without out without giving some expression to the other. and actually, it's just it's very bad form. it's very bad policy for an archbishop not to understand that the role he's supposed to play in the nation is wider than having a political brief. >> well, i do , as i understand >> well, i do, as i understand it anyway, believe that congregate options are dwindling a little bit when it comes to the anglican church in this country . and potentially it's country. and potentially it's because the because when they see the archbishop stand and get archbishop stand up and get involved so overtly archbishop stand up and get invothat, so overtly archbishop stand up and get invothat, that so overtly archbishop stand up and get invothat, that actuallyso overtly archbishop stand up and get invothat, that actuallyso lotzrtly like that, that actually a lot of in england disagree of people in england disagree with maybe that turns them with it, maybe that turns them off. but i'll off. going to church, but i'll bnng off. going to church, but i'll bring in now. human rights bring you in now. human rights lawyer shoaib, lawyer shoaib khan. shoaib, thank you very much. do you think the right thing think that it is the right thing to to have the religious to do to have the religious element, i.e, if you want to be considered a holy person, you have to believe in open borders. i mean, we already have human rights. you out on them. rights. you dine out on them. why we need religious not why do we need the religious not get involved? >> because think that is what >> because i think that is what religion is. >> what christianity is. >> that is what christianity is. >> that is what christianity is. >> that is what christianity is. >> that what i mean. you >> that is what i mean. you know, hesitate to give any

know, i hesitate to give any particular, you know , particular, you know, declaration on how christ would have reacted. >> point is , you know, >> but the point is, you know, that's what islam is. that is what religions do. what the great religions do. they about morality. they they talk about morality. they talk about humanitarianism, they talk about humanitarianism, they talk humanity. talk about humanitarianism, they taliand humanity. talk about humanitarianism, they taliand if humanity. talk about humanitarianism, they taliand if we manity. talk about humanitarianism, they taliand if we are|ity. talk about humanitarianism, they taliand if we are going to have >> and if we are going to have these religious leaders, many of them from public them who are paid from public funds, and you know, many of whom people pay , then i think whom people pay, then i think these are the exactly the issues that they need to be a part of. >> you know, if, for instance, you know, justin welby is going to be part of the queen's funeral or the monarch is funeral or when the monarch is being coronated, why being coronated, then why not? >> when he thinks that >> i mean, when he thinks that something is happening and the government in a way government is acting in a way that inhumane or that is inhumane or reprehensible or immoral, then i think what is. think that is what religion is. >> otherwise, don't see the >> otherwise, i don't see the point. point of point. what is the point of religious leaders when people religious leaders if when people are to they are being made to suffer, they won't speak out? that is the exact point of, you know, that that the for their that is the reason for their existence. they there is that argument. >> dr. gavin there is that argument that they they should look at what whatever their

interpretation of whatever their particular religious book is. and when they are asked a political question, they they should voice that view. i mean, do you think that jesus would want open borders ? want open borders? >> it's one of the things that jesus did is he didn't talk about current political problems because he wanted us to concentrate on the salvation of our and getting to heaven. our souls and getting to heaven. he invited the time to he was invited all the time to comment political roman comment on political roman issues, avoided it issues, and he always avoided it . but the trouble with the argument you've just heard is it's only half the argument. it's presuming that all compassion belongs to people who are in favour of open migration and open borders. it are in favour of open migration and open borders . it pays no and open borders. it pays no attention whatsoever to the needs of people settled in communities who suffered deeply from social cohesion. there was a frenchman who had his arm chopped off as he tried to stop rioters destroying his property in france , if you france is on a in france, if you france is on a knife edge at the moment, are you not allowed to have any compassion for the people who

live in france, whose societies are trashed by this level are being trashed by this level of riot immigration? of of riot and immigration? of course you are. it's absolute nonsense to say that humanitarian concerns belong to only one side and they are the privilege of open borders and uncontrolled immigration. i would the opposite is true. would say the opposite is true. it's a profoundly disturbed housing policy causes an housing policy which causes an immense misery and potential instability to settle countries throughout the world. and it needs to be controlled in order to have a proper balance between the interests of immigrants and the interests of immigrants and the interests of settled communities . communities. >> i suppose it's one thing shoaib saying, look, i think that jesus or whatever particular religious figures that the other denominations have signed up to believe in would have wanted this. it's another thing to then start floating additional policy on top of that. so the archbishops job in the house of lords is to look at government policy, scrutinise it, try to see if there are any particular holes in it, and then maybe knock it back or wave it through. but what doing is floating what he's now doing is floating something which what he's now doing is floating

sowe thing which what he's now doing is floating sowe should which what he's now doing is floating sowe should be which what he's now doing is floating sowe should be part which what he's now doing is floating sowe should be part of which what he's now doing is floating sowe should be part of avhich what he's now doing is floating sowe should be part of a wider is we should be part of a wider international refugee community with a long term plan. i just wonder whether or not potentially there is abuse , potentially there is abuse, wring the cloth to just put forward his own political agenda if he wanted to do that, he could stand for election , could stand for election, produce a manifesto and see if anyone to for him. anyone wants to vote for him. couldn't he ? couldn't he? >> i'll just address a few >> it's i'll just address a few quick points. so firstly, in terms of what the what just said about compassion being the about compassion not being the domain of just one school of thought or one political party or so on, the point is that if that's the argument we're having, that we think what the government is doing is compassionate, that's a compassionate, then that's a completely different argument from justin welby from saying that justin welby should or if he should not have a view or if he has a view, he should not express that's express it. i think that's a completely debate. but completely different debate. but secondly, what you secondly, in terms of what you just said, in terms of justin welby, but i think the reason we or people like him have to do thatis or people like him have to do that is because otherwise, like you've heard for decades, whenever oppose any whenever we oppose any government what they say government policy, what they say is, have no solution is, well, you have no solution ehhen is, well, you have no solution either, even though all of us

have solutions and we have been advocates for and advocates for them and suggesting is, if suggesting them the point is, if he suggested made that he hadn't suggested made that suggestion, will suggestion, people will say, well, have ideas, you well, you have no ideas, you don't so why don't know what to do. so why are you criticising the government? and the point is he has a humane, has come up with a humane, balanced, compassionate and practical solution. and now that he has now we're saying, well, stay out of politics. you know, why are you suggesting policy? so the point is, you know, people like him who are opposing the government just can't win. are to suggest are they supposed to suggest alternatives not? alternatives or not? >> okay. it's interesting because okay, whilst i obviously disagree what disagree with what his alternative in alternative is, especially in the of what we're the context of what we're already doing , i suppose at already doing, i suppose at least he has actually suggested something. sick something. and i am sick and tired standing up tired of people just standing up in house of commons, in the house of commons, especially the house of especially in the house of commons, just in the commons, and not just in the house lords and absolutely house of lords and absolutely slating everything. gavin, just just with just one more quick one with you, that's all right. gavin you, if that's all right. gavin which is as a christian, are which is, is as a christian, are you concerned about the you slightly concerned about the how the church england, how of the church of england, which appreciate is not your which i appreciate is not your sect of christianity? sps how

did the church of england being so comfortable welcoming in so many people who i dare say it, are not christian? or does that not bother you? >> i was very distressed when the syrian refugees came to europe and it became home office policy to let in tiny proportions of christians almost none, and almost universally muslims as the demographics are, that by 2050, in both france and england, there will be more muslims than any other group . muslims than any other group. and that strikes me as being a profoundly destabilising and problematic future. it's set in the demographics already . i the demographics already. i think for the archbishop of canterbury to make it worse or to intensify it without any pubuc to intensify it without any public debate because the media won't talk about it . it's won't talk about it. it's absolutely off limits . but for absolutely off limits. but for him to propose making it more intense seems to me to be a dereliction of responsibility without proper public discussion i >> -- >> final word to you on on that show. i'll let you respond. >> yeah, i mean, i think i mean, i completely obviously support

the archbishop here. i think it's right. he speaks out about these.i it's right. he speaks out about these. i think it's right that other religious leaders speak about that is their role. that's what think they are there for. what i think they are there for. obviously, if we disagree with what we're saying, think what we're saying, we think what they're in they're suggesting is, in fact, inhumane compassionate, inhumane and not compassionate, then that's an argument we can have. to somehow be seeking have. but to somehow be seeking to them, think is to silence them, i think is completely wrong. okay. >> look, of you, thank you >> look, both of you, thank you very really enjoyed very much. i really enjoyed that. i hope both of you have as well. discussion. well. fascinating discussion. anglican bishop of the christian ipso i should have ipso church. i should have rehearsed that . reverend rehearsed that. reverend dr. gavin and human rights gavin ashenden and human rights lawyer shoaib khan as well. thank very much, both of thank you very much, both of you. your views you. right. okay. get your views coming views or gb news. coming in. gb views or gb news. com now, today marks 75 years of the national health service us with royals, politicians, staff the national health service us withpatients)oliticians, staff the national health service us withpatients allticians, staff the national health service us withpatients all expressingf and patients all expressing their pride and gratitude . but their pride and gratitude. but is this the case for everyone ? i is this the case for everyone? i will be talking to somebody who has had well, not the best experience on the nhs. i'm patrick christys on gb news britain's news. channel

>> well, the national health service has been lauded as a cornerstone of national life. great on its 75 birthday. but there are signs that its age might be catching up with it and it might need some intensive care. joining me now is cancer patient rhiannon carpio, who has actually gone abroad to have

treatment because she felt let down by the nhs, or at least that's what it says on my autocue here. rhiannon so i'm going to hand it over to you. and whilst the nhs does do a heck of a lot for people, i've also just been sent something by someone who apparently has been placed a year waiting placed on a four year waiting list the list for treatment on the nhs. just to your situation just explain to your situation if that's okay. as of course we celebrate nhs at 75 . celebrate the nhs at 75. >> um, so in august last year i went into , i went into emergency i >> -- >> oh exam >> oh gypsy hospital with a suspected appendicitis and ultrasounds and ct scans and showed that actually i had a bowel cancer at stage four. gosh which was a total shock because as i which was a total shock because asi had which was a total shock because as i had no symptoms , i had no as i had no symptoms, i had no warning. there was there was no indication that there was something that kind of wrong with me. so that was a real shock. >> well, i can imagine rhiannon

i mean, it was quite shocking just to hear. i was trying to put myself in your situation for a second there. i was thinking how and well, how i'd react and not well, i think is a response to that. so then what happened in terms of treatment? >> um, so the consultants were the consultants were fantastic . the consultants were fantastic. >> they said, you're very young, you're i'd just turned 39. >> they said, we will do absolutely everything we can to get this out of you. um, long and short, i had six sessions of chemotherapy , which was chemotherapy, which was relatively , relatively relatively, relatively successful , but it wasn't successful, but it wasn't successful, but it wasn't successful enough for me to have surgery and surgery is what i would need in order to in order to be cured. so unfortunately, after the six sessions of chemotherapy , i was then told chemotherapy, i was then told that we would have to move on to palliative palliative care, which is end of life care, um, which is end of life care, um, which is end of life care, um, which is something that i and my

family were not able to accept . family were not able to accept. >> okay. and so you went abroad and what's the situation now then, and where are you? and so , so right now you might be able to see them at frankfurt airport i >> -- >> i've just had so i'm having a number of treatments. i'm i had done some research . i'd found done some research. i'd found some wonderful people on instagram , um, who were having instagram, um, who were having successful treatments, treatments that are are either not funded by the nhs or not available on the nhs. um which is which is terrible because these treatments are, you know , these treatments are, you know, it's too early to say exactly what my outcome will be, but i can tell you that a lot of people in my position with my particular mutation would not be very well. 12 months after diagnosis is when my oncologist told me that i couldn't have surgery . they were not able to

surgery. they were not able to they were not able to give me much of a prognosis past 12 months because they don't know how how, how i would react . so how how, how i would react. so i've actually been i've been lucky enough to meet a fantastic oncologist in germany through my own research . and like i said, own research. and like i said, i'm having a variety of treatments. i'm having something called dendritic cells, which is not available in the uk . called dendritic cells, which is not available in the uk. i'm having a chemo . transarterial having a chemo. transarterial chemo procedure, which is available in the uk. it is available in the uk. it is available on the nhs, but it's only available in very, very specific scenarios. so i'm not eligible for that treatment on the nhs in the uk, despite the fact that i am able to pay for privately. >> yeah, i mean, despite despite the fact that you obviously were really well in a terrible state, obviously because you needed it. so i think the point i'm very clumsily trying to make there you really, really needed that. and it was very, very quickly because we've got long because we've not got long rhiannon sorry. i appreciate rhiannon i'm sorry. i appreciate your what do you make

your time, but what do you make of people say that the nhs of people who say that the nhs is the of the world? is the envy of the world? >> well, we're not the envy of the world. you know, there is a very powerful drug called avastin , which is funded in a avastin, which is funded in a lot of national a lot of countries fund avastin through their national healthcare. it's not available on the nhs, it's not available on the nhs, it's not funded. so people are having to pay up to £1,000 per infusion to pay up to £1,000 per infusion to privately in the uk. to get this privately in the uk. um you know, when it okay it should be, it should be available . all treatments such available. all treatments such as the dendritic cell vaccines that i'm having . you know, it's that i'm having. you know, it's too early to say what my outcome will be, but i can tell you that i am very, very well my tumour markers are going down. i've got shnnkage markers are going down. i've got shrinkage on my tumours, i'm in a much better position than i believe been had believe i would have been had i relied only on nhs care. >> well, rihanna, thank you. and that fantastically uplift ing that is fantastically uplift ing things to end on. rihanna much appreciated and good luck. good luck. good luck with the rest of your treatments and hopefully your treatments and hopefully you make full recovery. you make a full recovery. i'm sure will. carpio , sure you will. rhiannon carpio, who is currently abroad at the

moment essentially moment trying to essentially get get we go. get cured. but there we go. right. you very much, right. thank you very much, everybody me. everybody who's been joining me. dewbs & co comes up next. i'll be dewbs& co comes up next. i'll be back on screens for farage. back on your screens for farage. and way, it's a massive and by the way, it's a massive farage show. this evening. stay tuned. >> i'm alex deakin. this is your latest update the latest weather update from the met news. it is met office for gb news. it is going to get warmer again towards the end of week, but towards the end of the week, but for of today, a cool for the rest of today, a cool breeze bringing some sunshine, but of but also bringing plenty of showers. a cool showers. more than a cool breeze, across the breeze, though, across the netherlands low netherlands today. this deep low pressure storm polly pressure was named storm polly by the german weather service, bringing wet and windy bringing some wet and windy and wild conditions to the netherlands we are netherlands and denmark. we are dominated by a low pressure, but it's near intense it's nowhere near as intense just a sprinkling of just bringing a sprinkling of showers this evening. showers through this evening. many places will be dry. the showers will keep going across parts wales and parts of north wales and northern scotland through the nights. will just nights. but many of us will just have a dry night with clear spells. might turn a little misty 1 or spots, certainly misty in 1 or 2 spots, certainly turning a bit chilly. temperatures to down single figures rural spots, double figures in rural spots, double digits most towns cities digits in most towns and cities . we'll start at about 10 12 . we'll start at about 10 to 12

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