. i've got years old tonight. i've got a job for you. i want your five point plan. how would you sort out the nhs if you were the health secretary .7 and by the health secretary.7 and by the way, did you see that it's at a church service today. there's been prayers and readings that if you ask me , is weird. what if you ask me, is weird. what says you.7 and if you ask me, is weird. what says you? and do you ever use ticket offices when it comes to travelling on the train? if you do bad luck because it seems likely that most of them are going to close. do we need ticket offices or are they just a blast from the past and life has moved on. speaking of life, moving on. there's something that really is troubling me . the that really is troubling me. the latest example of it, natwest bank. right now, their staff members have dual kind of lanyards when it comes to their names . one side of the staff names. one side of the staff feel like a masculine guy. one day and another side of they feel like a feminine woman. the next. oh, honestly , people i say next. oh, honestly, people i say this often , but i promise you this often, but i promise you i feel like this world is going

mad . is it feel like this world is going mad. is it just me feel like this world is going mad . is it just me stuck in some mad. is it just me stuck in some kind of dark era or is all of this quite sinister and wrong? you tell me . and biden, he has you tell me. and biden, he has picked his favourite person to lead nato do you know it is . it lead nato do you know it is. it might surprise you or it might not. so here, ursula von der leon is the name in choice. that'll be the same ursula von der leon. by the way, that thought that there should be an eu army to do away with nato. what do you make to it all your thoughts please, before we get into bring ourselves into it, let's bring ourselves up to speed, though, shall we, with headlines with the headlines from polly middlehurst . middlehurst. >> michelle thank you. good evening. the top story tonight , evening. the top story tonight, king charles has been presented with the honours of scotland at a service of thanksgiving in edinburgh. his majesty received the oldest crown jewels in britain , a crown, a sceptre and britain, a crown, a sceptre and a sword made of gold, silver and precious gems. the day of pomp

and pageantry, concluding with a fly—past by the red arrows emblazoning the skies with red, white and blue. the event seeing several protests. we understand police scotland confirming two women were arrested after they allegedly tried to climb over crowd barriers . now a record crowd barriers. now a record waiting list has cast a shadow over the nhs 75th anniversary. key political leaders, along with members of the royal family paid tribute to staff during a ceremony. nevertheless, at westminster abbey today. and that's, as labour warned the nhs will die out without further investment and modernisation. 7.4 million people are currently on waiting lists, with the government acknowledging that number could get worse before it gets better earlier , the shadow gets better earlier, the shadow health secretary, wes streeting , told gb news the nhs is facing the worst crisis in its history i >> deeply angry about the two tier system we have in our country today, where those who can afford it are paying to go private and those who can't

afford it are being left behind. and my answer would be in the short term, where there spare short term, where there is spare capacity private sector , capacity in the private sector, we should be paying for it on nhs so that people who nhs terms. so that people who can't afford it are getting it free at the point of use. that would be my answer. i've got no objection to using private sector capacity to get nhs waiting lists down faster . waiting lists down faster. >> the wimbledon tennis championship was disrupted by two just stop oil demonstration this afternoon. one protester was arrested on suspicion of aggravated trespass and criminal damage after orange confetti was thrown on court 18. and that's after two other activists were detained for targeting the same court. the group says it took action because of the tournament's sponsorship deal with barclays bank, which it says has given £30 billion to oil and gas companies over the last two years. well earlier, security at harrods, the department store in london, also removed a group of protesters who entered the luxury store

holding placards on an escalator video posted on the group's twitter account shows staff evicting them . now the uk has evicting them. now the uk has signed a new partnership deal with poland aimed at increasing foreign policy and defence cooperation. the foreign secretary, james cleverly, and the defence secretary, ben wallace, earlier met with the poush wallace, earlier met with the polish defence minister to agree on their priorities, including issues concerning belarus and china . the new 2030 strategic china. the new 2030 strategic partnership agreement builds on 2017 uk, poland treaty, which provided a framework for improved cooperation between the two nato allies . mr wallace two nato allies. mr wallace praised poland as well for its ongoing support for ukraine since the start of the invasion. britain and poland puts its money where its mouth is. >> it hasn't just condemned russia with words. it has condemned russia with its direct support to ukraine, using russian airfields. so polish airfields to help get into

ukraine. the very important equipment that was needed right from the start . from the start. >> now there's anger over plans which would see the closure of almost every railway station ticket office in england . the ticket office in england. the proposal unveiled by the rail delivery group affects hundreds of stations with facilities only expected to remain open at the busiest station as disability charities and unions are among those who voiced their concerns, saying it's going to impact vulnerable people and will lead to job losses. the decision about which offices may close will be made after a consultation process. rmt general secretary mick lynch doesn't back the new measures . doesn't back the new measures. >> now this is dehumanising the railway and it's exactly what we've been campaigning against. we were told we were scaremongering and now it's revealed they are going to close every single, every single ticket office on our network. and that will mean mass staffing and a very dehumanised railway

going forward . going forward. >> now, lastly, a jury has been told today that kevin spacey grabbed a man like a cobra and made a hard core comment at a west end theatre. the hollywood actor was described as smelling of booze when he allegedly grabbed the complainant at the 63 year old is on trial accused of sex offences against four men between 2001 and 2013. he denies all the charges . and schools all the charges. and schools across england have been forced to close today or restrict entry to close today or restrict entry to students with teachers walking off the job in a row over pay. it's their seventh strike this year and unions have warned there'll be more action in autumn if a deal can't be reached, as well as lessons on end of term events like school trips and sports days are also being disrupted. and members of the national education union are due to walk out again on friday. you're up to date on tv online dab+ radio and the tunein app . dab+ radio and the tunein app. you're with gb news, britain's

news . news. channel >> thanks for that. follow i was listening to that report there. it grabbed a man like a cobra . listening to that report there. it grabbed a man like a cobra. i dread to think quite frankly, what that means. the mind boggles, doesn't it? ladies and gents ? it really does. i am gents? it really does. i am michelle dewberry. i'm with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me. the former brexit party mep and journalist martin daubney and the co—founder of novara media , the co—founder of novara media, aaron bastani. good evening to both of you. you know the drill , don't you? it's not just about us three here. it's very much about you guys at home. i loved it last night, by the way, the guys at home, you guys were getting in touch asking the panel questions. you won't need me at rate, but i loved it. me at this rate, but i loved it. you get in touch. you can get in touch. vaiews@gbnews.com. or you can tweet me at gb news. i've got a task for you all. i've asked

you, what is your five point plan to sort out the nhs ? you're plan to sort out the nhs? you're quick off the mark you guys lots of you have been getting in touch. of you have been getting in touch . jim of you have been getting in touch .jim says. my five point touch. jim says. my five point plan is one privatise. privatise privatise, privatise and he says 0.5 is you guessed it, privatise means get off that fence and say what you mean there. james a&e says it'd be very simple. michelle bring back matrons in every single hospital . point one every single hospital. point one remove the layers of the pen pushers, she says. bring back state enrolled nurses with no degrees . four give everybody a degrees. four give everybody a bill for hospital treatments, for not payments, she says, but just so that they understand the expense and number five, stop using private agencies recruitment agencies. et cetera. who charge over the odds? that's annie in norwich there. i like your thinking. i want your five point plans. let's see whether or not any of you guys could do a betterjob or not any of you guys could do a better job of or not any of you guys could do a betterjob of running the nhs if you were in charge. the reason i'm talking about it, of course, is because it turned 75

today. i mean, it feels like a lifetime ago that we were outside in our socks banging pots and pans. do you remember all of that? honestly, sometimes you look back at you and if anyone would beam down from outer they'd outer space, they'd think, honestly, our marbles. honestly, we'd lost our marbles. there but anyway, what do you make to it? you sit there and make to it? do you sit there and high five everything and say, yes, fabulous. do you yes, the nhs is fabulous. do you think it's broken? do you think we should something we should do something differently? and you see differently? and did you see what call the absolute what i would call the absolute weirdness yes, frankly, weirdness? yes, quite frankly, there was a huge ceremony today at westminster abbey . i mean, at westminster abbey. i mean, talk about worshipping at the altar of the nhs . i mean, look altar of the nhs. i mean, look at this. everybody that is the order of service . i've got to order of service. i've got to say, i think this is one of the problems with the nhs in the country, is that if you dare to criticise it, it's almost like you have attacked the lord almighty or something odd. if you ask me. >> martin yeah, so i have a five point plan and your viewers made

some excellent points. there are switched on bunch. first of all, that rightly. stop that proves it rightly. stop treating like a church treating the nhs like a church and the politics from it and remove the politics from it . political party should . and no political party should own . yet they constantly own the nhs. yet they constantly make a thing of the make out it's a thing of the left. it you know, your left. it isn't. you know, your politics shouldn't be a part of it. secondly, it needs a full financial audit. us people from scandinave to from america, from germany, where health actually works. why are we obsessed with pounng works. why are we obsessed with pouring water into a leaking bucket? third, encourage private use via tax breaks or opt out two tier health service. so what if richer people are at or out of the way and allow poorer people to get a full benefit? where's the problem? fourthly, acts or the non—jobs are diversity jobs , the inclusivity, diversity jobs, the inclusivity, jobs, the net zero jobs, the non—jobs. get rid of the whole lot of them and get more nurses. and i agree with your viewers point there. let's end this obsession with degrees. let's let experience count more itrans and also british staff. let's stop relying on immigrants to

fill those posts. that's my five point plan. >> that's his five point plan. we'll come back to that in a sec. aaron, have you got a plan? i do have a plan. >> i thought, by the way, annie sounds like very sharp lady. sounds like a very sharp lady. >> done, annie. >> well done, annie. >> well done, annie. >> yeah, from norwich. restored nurse doctor pays nurse and junior doctor pays 2010 repeal the health 2010 levels to repeal the health and social care that the and social care act so that the secretary state is secretary of state is responsible performance, not responsible for performance, not some bureaucrat. nobody's some ceo or bureaucrat. nobody's ever because can ever heard of. because you can get the politician as if get rid of the politician as if they don't do what they claim. number end the number three, end the requirement health requirement on health authorities to put services out to number to competitive tender. number four, media four, attacks on social media companies expanded companies to pay for expanded mental services. their mental health services. their products, have earned products, which have earned them a have led to a pandemic a mint, have led to a pandemic of mental ill health amongst young people. they should be responsible deal responsible in helping to deal with that and then and with that and then five and maybe martin even agree on maybe martin might even agree on this one. a legal ban on management consulting, working for the nhs for and on behalf of the nhs management decisions and strategic should be strategic thinking should be done by people in the done by people working in the nhs who a vested interest nhs who have a vested interest in its long term success. well, there you go everybody. >> what think to the

>> what do you think to the paneps >> what do you think to the panel's five point plan ? i found panel's five point plan? i found the response today quite interesting thing. for interesting thing. like, for example , i think your last point example, i think your last point there, you were saying about use british workers to staff the nhs, the flaw in the plan, though, the reason that's you need overseas workers is because a of people don't want to a lot of people don't want to enter the nhs or they do. a staff members are on about or then they leave. yeah and the old fashioned political left people from aaron's persuasion used to back the idea of better wages for working class people . wages for working class people. >> and that's gone out the window now because we're so used to cheap labour from around the world of globalisation world because of globalisation where effectively outsourcing the to the cheapest the nhs to the cheapest competitor, which happens to be people coming from overseas . and people coming from overseas. and i need have a real i think we need to have a real look i'd like to see look at that. i'd like to see working class bursaries so people into the people are encouraged into the into profession from working into the profession from working class backgrounds because the cost degree off cost of a degree puts off working getting working class people getting into of professions, into all sorts of professions, particularly . so i think particularly nursing. so i think we've become too reliant on cheap labour. it's same in

starbucks, it's same in pubs, it's service sector, it's same in the service sector, . it's certainly the case in . and it's certainly the case in the nhs. we should be putting british jobs and putting british jobs first and putting money that if necessary. money into that if necessary. >> you said you want to >> and you said you want to restore the pay of junior doctors, what was it, two 2010? did the long term? did you say over the long term? >> in 1 or 2 years. but >> yeah. in 1 or 2 years. but over the long term, why in 2010? >> because they have seen their real pay fall by between 20 and 35. >> depends what your job is over that time period . and we know that time period. and we know that time period. and we know that in 2010 there was a bunch of metrics staff of metrics where staff satisfaction was quite high. recruitment good , recruitment was pretty good, patient satisfaction quite patient satisfaction was quite high. i think a high. so i think it's a reasonable benchmark to work towards. it's important to towards. and it's important to say, a demand say, i mean, that's a demand right striking junior right now of striking junior doctors i think it doctors and nurses. i think it has to be a gradual one. i think to say that we're going to increase your pay by 20% in one yeah increase your pay by 20% in one year. i don't think anybody. >> well, they're asking 35, aren't they? bma? aren't they? the bma? >> that's bargaining that's a >> that's a bargaining that's a bargaining think. bargaining tool. i think. i think they'd very happy with think they'd be very happy with 15 10, frankly. but a long 15 or 10, frankly. but a long term commitment returning to term commitment to returning to broadly we saw 2010. and

broadly what we saw in 2010. and i'd add this just sort of building what martin said, we building on what martin said, we have of 100,000 have a shortfall of 100,000 health staff in this health care staff in this country, 50,000 nurses country, about 50,000 nurses is doesn't matter if you want a private system. somebody said privatise, privatise, privatise or doesn't or a public system. it doesn't matter if we're not training enough care workers. it's enough health care workers. it's all you need all academic because you need the the doctors. and the nurses and the doctors. and so i think the that's the so i think that's the that's the first thing we need to really go on. it's actually source on. and it's actually a source of of political agreement. of sort of political agreement. rishi plan rishi sunak outlined this plan to health care to train more health care workers . the workers domestically. the problem i don't think he's problem is i don't think he's going money where his going to put his money where his mouth is. >> see, i wonder at home well >> see, i wonder at home as well whether or not you're satisfied >> see, i wonder at home as well whether service iou're satisfied >> see, i wonder at home as well whether service that; satisfied >> see, i wonder at home as well whether service that you isfied >> see, i wonder at home as well whether service that you get d with the service that you get from nhs you see all from the nhs because you see all these opinion polls don't you? and i'm always a bit dubious when it comes to opinion polls anyway, always i've anyway, because i'm always i've never for anything never been polled for anything in life, so always in my entire life, so i always do. i use that my do. and i use that as my anecdote because know anecdote because i don't know who you're asking, but i think that the is used as that actually the nhs is used as a football in this a political football in this country. i think too few politicians have got the, you know, the chops to actually pick it up and serious , only put

it up and serious, only put a microscope on it and go right, we're going to truly, radically reform this thing. root and branch. i don't think anyone's got the chops for it. i don't know. >> we have a uni party on the nhs. we had a uni party on lockdowns and covid, which is part of the problem. we became a covid health service and all the sort of on effects we're sort of knock on effects we're seeing now in terms of like cancer appointments direct cancer appointments are a direct consequence we had consequence of the fact we had political on going political uniformity on going down you're down the same route. and you're right, got the guts to right, no one's got the guts to tackle what effectively . it's tackle what is effectively. it's 75 years old, michel. i don't think the nhs is going to make it to 100 if it carries on the way it is, it's on life support. it needs a radical overhaul and i'm afraid all we're out i'm afraid all we're hearing out of steve barclay well, he'll be gone anyway, no doubt. all gone soon anyway, no doubt. all we're politicians we're hearing from politicians is more the same. more money, is more of the same. more money, pour leaking bucket. pour it into a leaking bucket. i think takes bigger cojones think it takes bigger cojones than that to sort this problem out. >> see, tony blair's popped up today , hasn't he? and he's been today, hasn't he? and he's been saying quite a few different things, actually . saying quite a few different things, actually. he's saying quite a few different things, actually . he's saying things, actually. he's saying that needs radical reform. that it needs radical reform. it's technology .

it's got to embrace technology. people should be able to kind of i mean, the way that i'm going to say is kind go private if to say is kind of go private if that's what they're so inclined to do . what do you think to his to do. what do you think to his intervention? well they can do that already. >> that particularly >> i found that particularly strange one of strange because one of the shortcuts in nhs is you can shortcuts in the nhs is you can see a consultant privately. it might hundred couple might cost you a hundred couple of you have get of pounds. you might have to get an x ray or whatever. an mri or an x ray or whatever. you your diagnosis and you you get your diagnosis and you can take six months out of that sort of user journey can take six months out of that sort of userjourney in can take six months out of that sort of user journey in the can take six months out of that sort of userjourney in the nhs sort of user journey in the nhs and you straight to and you go straight to treatment. you can do treatment. but you can do that already. to make a already. i'm not going to make a judgement people who judgement about people who do that or don't do it, so i don't quite understand his his point there effectively because wes there effectively because as wes streeting ago, streeting said a moment ago, there service there is a two tier service where those can afford to do where those who can afford to do that so wes streeting that do that. so wes streeting saying we shouldn't have that. tony saying should tony blair's saying we should have of a have that. it's a bit of a strange one, but fundamentally, with tony blair's rare interventions, which seem to be almost you know, the almost weekly, you know, the blair 850 members almost weekly, you know, the bl staff. 850 members almost weekly, you know, the bl staff. this 850 members almost weekly, you know, the bl staff. this is 850 members almost weekly, you know, the bl staff. this is a 850 members almost weekly, you know, the bl staff. this is a party members almost weekly, you know, the bl staff. this is a party withiners of staff. this is a party within a party. is an organisation a party. this is an organisation which is seeking to influence

policy and at the same time send people into the labour party as mps. many people now contesting labour seats the next election were working for the tony blair institute at one time or another and my worry is, given who funds the institute, including the blair institute, including the blair institute, including the department, the blair institute, including the department , why the us state department, why does say the things he does? does he say the things he does? is it because he thinks it's in the national interest or because it carries favours the it carries favours with the people donate sums of people that donate large sums of money to his organisation? >> i think it's more than >> well, i think it's more than that cynic are. i think it's that cynic you are. i think it's more so we saw during more than that. so we saw during covid blair driving covid that blair was the driving force behind covid passports. he talks app, talks today about the nhs app, about the digital id, the embracing tech. what blair wants is everyone a walking is that everyone to be a walking barcode and all your medical history to on that include history to be on that include your vaccination a form your vaccination status, a form of social credit. and he of chinese social credit. and he wants blair institute to be wants the blair institute to be able be charge , to be able to be in charge, to be doing to roll out, to get doing it, to roll it out, to get the massive , massive contracts. the massive, massive contracts. blair an opportunist. he's a blair is an opportunist. he's a capitalist at heart. we're seeing its full naked glory. >> now, what makes me smile? i have a wry smile because my

business background is it transformation. so i would work with organisations and look at how they can leverage digital technology be more effective technology to be more effective and efficient. and when you do this of trade, you almost this kind of trade, you almost learn. like it's like a learn. it's like it's like a textbook example of how not to do things. and it's the national programme for it. it's one of the biggest public sector. it technology failures of all time in this country. by the way. and it costs it's cost you , me, us, it costs it's cost you, me, us, the taxpayers, depending on which kind of calculations you use and all the rest of it. what you put in tens of billions of pounds. some people would say that cost this country to that that cost this country to achieve the square root of absolute lutely nothing and that was tony blair's brainchild . and was tony blair's brainchild. and now if i'd have sat and kyrees covid and kind of took us down, took the country down this path of wasted billions on on a failed it project that i probably would not see my myself as the face of the next digital transformation of the nhs. i'd

probably say a bit more about that, but some about that bit. if i can get away with it. so i find this quite an intriguing route for him to take. >> yeah, but not surprising because that's where the money is. follow the money, you know? blair a true globalist and he blair is a true globalist and he is. he's out there and he wants everybody in the western world to be a barcode on your phone. and that is the way he wants to go and he wants to run that technology. he was pushing the green he had he green pass in israel. he had he had his claws into michael gove even on the advisory board of what britain should be doing with blair with covid passports. tony blair sees a massive, massive sees this as a massive, massive financial opportunity, not for the good of the good, for the good of humanity, the good of humanity, but for the good of his account. humanity, but for the good of his when account. humanity, but for the good of his when it:ount. humanity, but for the good of his when it comes to spending, a >> when it comes to spending, a lot you will get in touch and lot of you will get in touch and you'll tories have not you'll say the tories have not spent enough money on the nhs. i'll just bring quick up i'll just bring a quick graph up to the spending thing. to show you the spending thing. so to give some so just to give you some perspective you can see perspective here, you can see these years at the these are the years at the bottom and the billions on the left. you out 2021 left. if you take out the 2021 spend, which was 201 billion, of course enhanced for covid,

you'll see 23, 24 spend is 182 billion. 180 was 22. 23. so in essence , when people say that essence, when people say that the spending and all the rest of it has been reduced on the nhs, that's simply not true. get your five point plans into me though . i will be reading some more of them out, see whether or not we can get one of you guys promoted to being the health secretary or even just a consultant to them. we'll anything, won't we? we'll take anything, won't we? anyway, to use the trains to use the offices . what would anyway, to use the trains to use the do offices . what would anyway, to use the trains to use the do if offices . what would anyway, to use the trains to use the do if they es . what would anyway, to use the trains to use the do if they were ilhat would anyway, to use the trains to use the do if they were allt would anyway, to use the trains to use the do if they were all closed? you do if they were all closed? would care or

to gb news radio . to gb news radio. >> hello there. >> hello there. >> i'm michelle dewberry with you right through till 7:00 tonight alongside me, the former brexit party mep and the journalist martin daubney and the novara media, the co—founder of novara media, aaron bastani. janice who says, i'm a retired nurse. you said your previous viewer asking to bnng your previous viewer asking to bring back matrons. we've

already them. they just now already got them. they just now another of management another layer of management managed by layer of managed by a further layer of management . wendy i'm a retired management. wendy i'm a retired erg when i worked for 42 years in the nhs matrons are still there. that's what she says again, backing that up, you say they never went away, but the difference is they're always at meetings instead of doing meetings now instead of doing the actual graph , what patricia the actual graph, what patricia says, please can you stop calling it the nhs? michelle it should be called the international i international health service. anyone can come here and get treated for free. malcolm, you're a bit harsh. you say put the nhs immediately into administration . peter says. how administration. peter says. how about focusing on the amounts of people are entering this country, getting treatment without paying a single penny towards it. lots of that sentiment coming through. i can tell you. do you think the nhs does enough, by the way, to kind of prevent things, prevent illnesses and let me ask you this as well. if you look in the mirror, honestly, i won't tell

anyone your answers, but if you look in the mirror, can you honestly, with a straight face say that you do enough take say that you do enough to take care yourself and your care of yourself and your health? eat too much, health? do you eat too much, dnnk health? do you eat too much, drink too much? do you exercise too i don't know. you too little? i don't know. you tell yourself answer to that tell yourself the answer to that because do worry sometimes tell yourself the answer to that becawe do worry sometimes tell yourself the answer to that becawe areo worry sometimes tell yourself the answer to that becawe are aworry sometimes tell yourself the answer to that becawe are a little sometimes tell yourself the answer to that becawe are a little bitnetimes tell yourself the answer to that becawe are a little bit guilty s that we are a little bit guilty of putting a bit of perhaps putting a bit too much strain on nhs. you give much strain on the nhs. you give me your thoughts, right? are you a train user ? good luck with a train user? good luck with that. if you manage to find that. if you can manage to find trains that are not on strike these days anyway. well, things are get a little bit are about to get a little bit worse because now it's looking likely ticket offices will likely that ticket offices will come threat of closure. come under threat of closure. apparently up to about 1000 of them, to be precise . i'll start them, to be precise. i'll start with you, martin. when it comes to ticket offices, i mean, there's two kind of veins of thought here, isn't there? there's one which is, you know, get your tickets on your phone, crack on with life. you don't need this. it's an unnecessary, airy bureaucracy. the other side of fence is, well, that's of the fence is, well, that's great got smartphone great if you've got a smartphone and rest of it. but what

and all the rest of it. but what about people that don't have that? what about people that have questions the have got the questions and the queries? resource queries? you need that resource for them? >> yeah, the out is, what, >> yeah, the data out is, what, about people more now about 90% of people or more now aren't even using ticket offices. but the fact of the matter people that do matter is the people that do rely upon them are the most vulnerable, or vulnerable, disabled or the elderly. and times gb news elderly. and often times gb news don't campaigners out don't kill cash campaigners out there. it's all people that aren't keeping up with with the pace who are made to pace of change who are made to pay pace of change who are made to pay price. and i kind of pay the price. and i kind of agree, weirdly with mick lynch today often you hear today, it's not often you hear me that feeling. me saying that feeling. all right, i i don't know right, kid, i know. i don't know what's in this coffee. >> and two minutes ago, everyone, was agreeing everyone, he was agreeing with tony blair. is this? it's tony blair. who is this? it's martin on the external martin daubney on the external of but what's going on underneath? >> one of those lizard >> i'm one of those lizard people. david carrick one. people. i'm a david carrick one. but think the fact the but i think the fact of the matter is, it is true that that old people particularly get left behind metres. now behind with parking metres. now we're struggle we're just trying to struggle with a smartphone my with having a smartphone app. my dad know how dad wouldn't wouldn't know how to smartphone a to have a smartphone app for a train ticket his life train ticket if his life depended on it. and i think it's unfair that it's being phased in like and they're saying

like this and they're saying that people that they won't make people redundant move them redundant or they'll move them onto staff, but also onto platform staff, but also safety you to a train safety. when you get to a train station night, if you're station at night, if you're lost, if you're confused, if you're an elderly person, you want you want human want somebody you want human contact safe contact to help. we feel safe and help you with directions. and to help you with directions. whereas not whereas a taxi rank, it's not just about process and transactions. it's about people feeling that they're having a human interaction and they feel safe. so actually, i'm against the idea of closing these ticket offices. >> so just to give you some stats here, everyone about 12.5% of tickets apparently are sold over the counter . this of tickets apparently are sold over the counter. this is of tickets apparently are sold over the counter . this is down over the counter. this is down from about 85% in 1995. in england , when it comes to england, when it comes to railway stations, apparently 43% of them are unsafe , staffed, of them are unsafe, staffed, slashed. no ticket office. that's according to the rail delivery group. anyway aaron, your thoughts on it all? well i mean, besides what martin was saying there , it just it just saying there, it just it just speaks to me of how we're becoming such a miserable , all becoming such a miserable, all atomised country .

atomised country. >> you know, 15 years ago, you could go down a high street. it was very different to today. and this particularly hurts older people, like you say, because they aren't necessarily equipped to world of apps to deal with the world of apps and it's the same and smartphones. it's the same with post offices. it's the same with post offices. it's the same with bank branches and people over 60 really have been hit by a tsunami of just adversity in trying to do the basics in life . as you said, i think it's15% of people get a ticket, you know, face to face, 12.5, sorry. yeah, 12.5. my apologies. you know, one in it's not paying attention, everyone. no, i know 1 but look, you know, 1 in 8, but look, you know, i remember being in hazelmere, which a, you know, a long way which is a, you know, a long way away where i not that away from where i live not that long ago. and i had to get a face to face ticket. and i don't know what the proposal is from the government in sort the government in in that sort of i do? of situation. what would i do? get taxi home? would i spend get a taxi home? would i spend £150 on a taxi or get my wife to pick i mean, it's daft. pick me up? i mean, it's daft. so it's just one of those where it's unnecessary. we miserable mean of people on mean and this idea of people on the the platform in quote the on the platform as in quote

unquote and engaging roles. unquote new and engaging roles. you we have a purportedly you know we have a purportedly conservative government which wants turn the of the wants to turn the whole of the pubuc wants to turn the whole of the public sphere into, know, public sphere into, you know, the store . you know, i the apple store. you know, i would like a bit of personality and difference and distinction when use trains. go to when i use the trains. you go to japan staff all over the place, dress very smartly when they're travelling in the train in japan i >> -- >> oh, exam kan- km— h do train . they are. if >> oh, i do train. they are. if you've never been on a train in in you have not lived it. in japan, you have not lived it. and if you've not been to a toilet in japan, that is a hole in it. a hole who ever sat on a toilet in japan? no. oh everyone that is. oh oh, heated seats . that is. oh oh, heated seats. they heat you. they wash you when you finish. they dry. you blow dry you they square a little poop up the up up your bits . you can choose to have a bits. you can choose to have a freshener. you can choose to massage. oh, lovely . anyway, massage. oh, lovely. anyway, about two trains i lost myself for a moment. there the flip side to all of this will be. yes, michelle, people want these train ticket offices and all the

rest of it. but people simultaneously will cry about the price of train tickets. so then where is the happy medium here? because the companies are trying to create efficiencies is to try and keep train fares down. >> they're creating efficiencies because they need to give their shareholders . if you shareholders dividends. if you look instance, water look at, for instance, the water companies, we've had privatised water country since water in this country since 1989, than £70 billion 1989, more than £70 billion has been dividends . so been paid in dividends. so they've loaded onto themselves £60 billion worth of debt. and yet water bills have increased 50% more than inflation since 1989. a similar tale with 1989. it's a similar tale with trains. so look, if we are you going to take me down the nationalisation route? >> no, no. >> no, no. >> look, if they were making >> but look, if they were making these and they said these cost savings and they said this directly benefit this will directly benefit the customer, might agree with customer, i might not agree with it, like you say, it's it, but like you say, it's a it's a trade off and it's an explicable one. what we have instead is a system where, frankly, the consumer is squeezed and squeezed and squeezed and squeezed and squeezed when squeezed and squeezed. and when you low margins this you have low margins in this industry has always industry and rail has always been margin been a relatively low margin industry well, are industry anyway. well, where are you going to get profits from?

it's poorer customer it's from poorer customer service and i think we are coming to a place now where we do need that conversation. should ownership should it be in public ownership or i tend towards or shouldn't it? i tend towards the former, but people who tend towards the latter to towards the latter need to understand the quality of the service get worse and worse service will get worse and worse and worse. >> it's worth out that >> it's worth pointing out that about revenue for about 60% of the revenue for train is the train companies now is from the government. it's life support government. it's on life support because the government, because of the government, because of the government, because changing ways of because of the changing ways of work patterns. people are working passenger working from home and passenger numbers since numbers haven't recovered since the unlikely numbers haven't recovered since th

well, actually it is hard for these companies justify why these companies to justify why these companies to justify why the dividends, the profits and all rest of it when so many all the rest of it when so many people all are in dire straits and their service, quite frankly, is absolutely rubbish . frankly, is absolutely rubbish. i'm trying to think of a word i could use rac. i did well and i'm proud of myself. my mum will be proud of me watching it. what do you make to it all? are you one of those people that would just be referencing that perhaps, been down perhaps, as always, been down with agenda, but with a capitalist agenda, but even starting to even now you are starting to question whether or not that is the right one or not. what's going on us? i we're just going on with us? i we're just getting old or a thames changing. you think if changing. and do you think if labour power, things labour were in power, things would any better? would get any better? what do you anyway. well you reckon to that anyway. well gone mad. i always say this though. madness though. i today's madness companies now with their staff lanyards. you don't just get one lanyards. you don't just get one lanyard these days. ladies and gents . so no, you can have a gents. so no, you can have a double sided one. so if you come into work today, i don't know, you might be feeling like doreen. you worry. flip it doreen. don't you worry. flip it that you might coming to that way. you might be coming to work like ted the guy.

work feeling like ted the guy. don't worry, flip it. that way. what going

real world. join me at 7:00 on gb news. as britain's news . gb news. as britain's news. channel hello there. >> i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. alongside me, former brexit party mep and journalist martin daubney and co—founder of novara media, aaron bastani. freddie says as michelle opened a toilet sales business or something on the side, no , i'm not paid to side, no, i'm not paid to promote japanese toilets. i can assure you of that. he just when he mentioned japan , i don't know he mentioned japan, i don't know why he took brain into a very why he took my brain into a very strange place. and if you know, you know, that's i can say you know, that's all i can say to you. mark says the greater manchester tram network operates with ticket machines or apps, and that runs all right. so why suddenly is it a problem when it comes rail network? oh, comes to the rail network? oh, please. can you ask about people over 60? my mum is 74. she goes , oh, sorry. he's saying that . , oh, sorry. he's saying that. you guys are saying that the

older people can't use technology but is giving the example of his mum that absolutely . can i hear you, absolutely. can i hear you, richard ? um, paul says you need richard? um, paul says you need to send mick lynch to japan and he'll come back and he would soon fix the railways in this country . is it? i don't know. country. is it? i don't know. lots of you getting in touch about that nhs . i want your five about that nhs. i want your five point plans. get in touch with me because i'm fascinated by those. again, this matron thing, it keeps coming up over and over again. i'll tell you, one of the things that none of you, unless i've missed it, have mentioned so far and you've surprised me, is because one of the things i would do is bring back what they used call cottage hospitals used to call cottage hospitals or convalescent or or convalescent homes or whatever can whatever it is so that you can take . i don't mean to be take out. i don't mean to be rude, but all the bed blockers move put them into move there and put them into somewhere where they the somewhere where they get the bit of need and you of care that they need and you can free up the beds for everybody else but keep your thoughts coming in. anyway, in today's of gone today's episode of well gone mad, west the bank, of mad, nat west staff the bank, of course, are now to course, they are now able to identify men or women using

identify as men or women using the, landline the, you know, your landline lanyard . and it's double lanyard thing. and it's double sided. to allow them the sided. this is to allow them the non—binary folk out there to alternate between their different whether or not different genders whether or not they feel more masculine today or today . some or more feminine today. some people are saying this is workplace progress . i personally workplace progress. i personally think this is workplaces going mad and some people out there might watch this and go, shut up, michelle, what are you going on about? lanyard for the reason i'm going on about lanyard martin is because i feel and i feel it's so strongly that there is something bizarre going on in this country and i don't know where it's coming from. i don't know whose responsible for it, but it certainly feels like an orchestrated movement where they are trying to impress this this gender ideology onto society and to try and force society to re—engineer for itself to adopt this kind of what i would call a fantasy . and the worrying bit fantasy. and the worrying bit for me is the way it's getting infiltrated into schools and

kids seem to be taught, oh, you know what? if you're a guy but you think you want to be a girl, don't worry about you can medically trans position and all the rest of it. so for me, it's not about a harmless lanyard. it's about the direction of travel. all that no one seems to be out. be blinking an eye out. >> you've absolutely >> i think you've absolutely nailed it. and on the one hand, we all roll our eyes. here we can all roll our eyes. here we can all roll our eyes. here we go. the more trans madness. repeat that you repeat 25,000. the idea that you can just go to work and decide you're woman that day you're a woman that day is absurd . but afraid we are at absurd. but i'm afraid we are at absurd. but i'm afraid we are at a point now where facts and science, for the first time in in hundreds of years and now once again being replaced by ideology, by religion , by ideology, by religion, by feelings and by fantasy . and you feelings and by fantasy. and you are right. the idea that that men can just go into women's spaces is misogyny . you know, spaces is misogyny. you know, something is fundamentally been lost around women's rights and protecting women and protecting children from predatory men. not all men are predatory who transitioned, but some are. we must admit that. look at what happenedin must admit that. look at what happened in scotland with the

double rapist who blew apart the snp's entire self—recognition bill around the simple truth that a man identified as a woman and went on to rape two women. now so as long as that can happen , there can be no ifs or happen, there can be no ifs or buts. and this idea that if you stand against this, you're a bigot , that you're the dangerous bigot, that you're the dangerous one, the world has lost its mind. we must protect the women. we must protect children . and we we must protect children. and we must call out nonsense . you must call out nonsense. you know, this is an emperor's new clothes moment. and i would urge everyone, particularly men. men need get involved and stick need to get involved and stick up for women as well, because it's been too long. it's been a lonely for feminists lonely wicket for feminists fighting trans fighting against the trans movement. i think, movement. and it's, i think, designed erase women. designed to erase women. >> words , aaron, with >> strong words, aaron, with this story in particular. >> i suppose i would just ask martin, who's hurting so with the point about trans women in prisons, you've got a really important debate there. right? and you've got competing interests, competing demands, teaching children in school about gender dysphoria or just sex in general. of course, there

should be a public debate about what age you would start teaching children certain things or be or should certain things be taught so on. taught in schools and so on. that's entirely legitimate pubuc that's entirely legitimate public people can public debate and people can have views on have very different views on that. that's that's just the that. and that's that's just the way the world works. but on something like this, it's i'm not non—binary. can't not non—binary. i can't understand non—binary understand how a non—binary person thinks, just like i can't understand a six year old understand how a six year old black woman thinks. you know, we're beings. we we're different beings. we relate to world differently relate to the world differently because how functions because of how society functions in many ways, not all ways. and i just don't really know who this hurts . and so i think to this hurts. and so i think to compare this to some of the other things mentioned, it other things you mentioned, it seems gratuitous. seems it seems gratuitous. >> it is all it's all part of the same spectrum. but who is it hurting? >> it's a short leap from somebody wearing a badge saying, i'm a woman today and a customer, example, getting customer, for example, getting it chastised . it wrong and being chastised. and then into the realms and then we're into the realms of compelled speech. you must call today . why? call me a woman today. why? i refuse go along with your refuse to go along with your fantasy. allowed to say fantasy. we're allowed to say that people are free to that now. people are free to live lives however live their lives however they want. what they do

want. i don't care what they do in the private or in their bedrooms. the vast majority of brits care either. what we brits don't care either. what we do being told that do care about is being told that we to go with this we have to go along with this fantasy. then if we don't, fantasy. but then if we don't, that's we're the bigots. >> but that's not the story here. >> and i can that's a plausible scenario that identified. but they're that, you they're not saying that, you know. right. >> why is this necessary? >> why is this necessary? >> well, i i'm i'm not >> well, i don't i'm not i'm not a person. i don't a non—binary person. i don't know. i don't know. but i just don't understand. there's lots of civil where we civil liberties issues where we do we do because do things and we do them because nobody's a small nobody's being hurt. and a small group of society says, i would quite like this. so i don't if this hurting people, i can this was hurting people, i can entirely point. entirely see martin's point. >> stonewall initiative, >> it's a stonewall initiative, right? they all want right? because they all want to be stonewall top 100 be part of stonewall top 100 equality club that makes be part of stonewall top 100 equallook ub that makes be part of stonewall top 100 equallook virtuous that makes be part of stonewall top 100 equallook virtuous and hat makes be part of stonewall top 100 equallook virtuous and it's makes them look virtuous and it's a great way woke washing their great way of woke washing their credentials brutal capitalist great way of woke washing their crecthat's; brutal capitalist great way of woke washing their crecthat's whatrutal capitalist great way of woke washing their crecthat's what banks apitalist great way of woke washing their crecthat's what banks do.alist great way of woke washing their crecthat's what banks do. that's us. that's what banks do. that's what big does. that's what what big tech does. that's what big corporations do. they want to virtuous, but really to appear virtuous, but really they're capitalistic they're brutal capitalistic machines has we machines and stonewall has we know, been insidious in schools and aiding the transition of children in private. you know, the tavistock clinic has been shut for this precise shut down for this precise reason. had their

reason. stonewall had their fingerprints that. fingerprints all over that. why are this dangerous are we backing this dangerous movement by saying, let's movement by saying, hey, let's wear a or how is this wear a lanyard or how is this dangerous? >> i mean, i think you you do need to things on a case by initiative. >> surely it's a stonewall initiative. it's part the initiative. it's part of the same precisely same dangerous, precisely because backed it because stonewall have backed it rather than. >> you're taking case >> you're not taking this case on its merits because i just don't see this as dangerous. you can a bit daft or can see it's a bit daft or disagree or support it, but i don't see it as dangerous. >> why are public organisations such central such as the nhs, central government this? institutions like this? >> are they pandering to this? >> this fantasy belief system of trans ideology? >> a belief system. it's >> it's a belief system. it's not based on reality, and it is insidious because if we don't go along with it, we can get cancelled. we can lose our jobs. that's true. it does happen. children being taught children are being taught this stuff silence. my son comes stuff in silence. my son comes home to me. he's 14. stuff in silence. my son comes home to me. he's14. there are trans people in his class who never even never even thought about doing that they were about doing that until they were taught but. taught about it. but. >> you're talking about >> martin, you're talking about all things except all these other things except for story, think for this story, which i think sort of confirms my point. this isn't hurting anyone. isn't really hurting anyone. i

think you do need to you know what? >> you can pick any one aspect of this and you can look at it in so you can say, in isolation. so you can say, right, michelle, is right, michelle, what is a double pronoun badge doing double sided pronoun badge doing to hurt someone? and answer to hurt someone? and the answer to hurt someone? and the answer to unless you're a bit to that, unless you're a bit dim, you're going to go, well dim, is you're going to go, well in that thing is just in isolation. that thing is just a badge, but this is a name badge, right? but this is not what this this is not an not what this is. this is not an isolated of isolated incident of some corporate deciding do corporate entity deciding to do a sided badge with a double sided name badge with he whatever it is today, he or she, whatever it is today, that they feel like this is part of movement that is of a collective movement that is literal i would say literal only, i would say infesting aspect infesting every aspect of society, whether it's corporations, it's corporations, whether it's schools, workplaces , you name schools, workplaces, you name it, there is no need to declare your sexuality or your gender on your sexuality or your gender on your badges of your face and have your name that will do. but it's not enough . and the reason it's not enough. and the reason it's not enough. and the reason it's not enough is because people absolutely desperate people are absolutely desperate to get up the backsides of stonewall or to get a credit so that they can high five themselves and feel like they are for forward thinking. and it's is an ideology it's not. it is an ideology that's dangerous. and natwest, by care so much by the way, if you care so much about gender, you might want to

look mirror and ask look in the mirror and ask yourself got yourself why you have got a 31.8% gender pay gap between your men and your women . and on your men and your women. and on those days where women perhaps decide to get their lanyard and turn it around to pretend that they're guy, maybe i pay them they're a guy, maybe i pay them like they one as well. how like they are one as well. how about right. i'll get about that? right. oh, i'll get off soapbox , guys. after the off my soapbox, guys. after the break, biden , nato, he break, joe biden, nato, he reckons ursula von der leyen should be the boss. what do you make to them .

hello, we're back. look at that . what a treat for everybody. aaron bastani alongside me, as is martin dodi. we're just having a right set to about. we're like still stuck in that last topic. so we are . anyway, last topic. so we are. anyway, it is good to be back. means test the nhs to use only to

those within certain salary brackets, says matt thoroughly audh brackets, says matt thoroughly audit all of the financial affairs and trim down unnecessarily rural rolls. you saved funds to go towards nhs nurses on strike and pass a bill through parliament to allow specialist talent from overseas, including the uk, to work within the uk. that is matt five point plan. jane she's saying you should only be able to use the nhs if you've got a british passport charge. everybody else. what would you do then? say if someone was in a car crash, would you stand over them? not do anything until you could check the passport? how would do anything until you could checwork?3assport? how would do anything until you could checwork? you port? how would do anything until you could checwork? you get? how would do anything until you could checwork? you get iniow would do anything until you could checwork? you get in touch»uld do anything until you could checwork? you get in touch and that work? you get in touch and you tell me. elaine says, stop using bill. people using agency staff. bill. people who've in by who've never paid in by medicines bulk more medicines in bulk more effectively . yes. procurement effectively. yes. procurement there. i think that's good there. i think that's a good idea. one alone. you, my idea. this one alone. you, my friend have on something friend, have hit on something and this is key. take and i think this is key. take back equipment that is given back the equipment that is given out because actually crutches and stuff like that, they won't take them back. >> that's true. why can't.

because they say they're not sterile. there's just endless amounts of crutches and skips and in cupboards, just just not being used complete waste of money. >> elaine, you you've got a gold star actually on that five point plan because that one point alone, think would alone, i think that would actually save the an actually save the nhs an absolute fortune. so well done you anyway, joe biden, he is being talking about who should being talking about who should be the next head of nato. ben wallace, of course he wanted to be it. but nursery, said biden instead. he is backing the eu boss, ursula von der leyen . i'll boss, ursula von der leyen. i'll start with you on this one, aaron. there's a lot of hoo ha about this. a lot of people are not happy. it says that people are saying this shows that biden favours of the uk and all favours the eu of the uk and all the of it. what say you? the rest of it. what say you? >> well, think ben wallace was >> well, i think ben wallace was never going to get the job purely because he actually served in the armed that served in the armed forces. that seems prerequisite as seems to be a prerequisite as you have any military you don't have any military experience have so experience to have this job. so no, it was the case with stoltenberg the incumbent stoltenberg who the incumbent right guy right now, there was a guy called rasmussen who's

called rasmussen fo who's danish. he was his predecessor. and we're going to von and now we're going to get von der leyen. know , career der leyen. you know, career diplomats, people with no real relation forces . relation to the armed forces. and frankly, i feel like the approach to this job is because let's be honest, it's an extension us power. nato in extension of us power. nato in europe. we think of it europe. we don't think of it like that in this country because nuclear weapons because we have nuclear weapons as the french. but as similar with the french. but for of europe is what for most of europe that is what it an expression of it is. it's an expression of american them american power to defend them from like russia and you from places like russia and you you know, the white house does not want an opinionated, strong person in this position. they want somebody who's amenable to what they say when joe biden or whoever replaces him in the oval office says jump , they say, how office says jump, they say, how high? so ideally, you get candidates from relatively small countries like norway or denmark, or you get somebody like von der leyen, who just basically says , i'll do whatever basically says, i'll do whatever you like. so i think it's predictable. it's explicable, and i think it says a great deal actually about the nature of what nato is and i know right

now, obviously russia is in ukraine and people have talked about the importance of nato. but think people need to but i think people need to understand have the supreme understand we have the supreme commander nato in europe has commander of nato in europe has to be an american general. i don't think people realise this. they have to be an american general who says that that's how it's been since 1949 or whatever. it'sjust it's been since 1949 or whatever. it's just because it's been like that. >> what? yeah >> what? yeah >> well, that's the nature of the of the of the of the trade. so this figure, the secretary—general is european. so a partnership. but so it's like a partnership. but i think really this is the political window dressing. it wasn't like that, you wasn't always like that, you know, straight after the second world very much a world war, it was very much a partnership equals. it's less partnership of equals. it's less and like that over time. and less like that over time. and would really and so you would never really going to an ex military going to get an ex military person may push against person who may push back against washington in this job. it was always going to be somebody like von ursula von leyen >> martin ursula von der leyen is a is a failed german defence minister who germany didn't even want. her maiden want. i heard her maiden speech when an in strasbourg, when i was an mep in strasbourg, and once was so incompetent. and she once was so incompetent. there was a there was a huge row

about cronyism, about tank contracts she gave out while she was defence minister. she was so incompetent. the german army ran out of weapons and had to train with brooms sticks. >> this is exactly the point that view is going to be in that my view is going to be in charge of the nuclear buttons. >> insanity. von der >> it's insanity. also, von der leon a clear play in her leon made a clear play in her maiden speech, something that nick clegg told brexiteers was a dangerous fantasy . she made it dangerous fantasy. she made it clear play for a european army. she also wants to fast track ukrainian membership of the eu , ukrainian membership of the eu, and it doesn't take a great leap of faith for ukraine to be fast tracked for nato membership. what would say to russia? what would that say to russia? biden hiring a puppet to do biden is hiring a puppet to do his dirty work to expand nato and incompetent bureaucrat who was voted in on a ticket of one? nobody even was allowed to stand against her when she was elected as european president. european commission president. i voted against her because i saw through her, through her claptrap day one. this person claptrap on day one. this person in charge of the nuclear nuclear buttons terrifying. buttons, it's terrifying. >> that i can tell you now

>> well, that i can tell you now so many of my viewers are writing in about the broom handles. >> i've seen your email. i hear you. and absolutely echoing your sentiment there that she failed when she did have that job. mike has been in touch about his five point plan. he is saying get people to pay for their meals when they're in hospital. when they're in the hospital. you at home. yeah, you have to pay at home. yeah, but when you're home, you can but when you're at home, you can go work and send the money to go to work and send the money to pay go to work and send the money to pay for your meals. if you're laid hospital bed, laid up in a hospital bed, you're going be able do you're not going be able to do that. but do agree with your that. but i do agree with your point, though, mike. when you say charge the drunks, when you go friday go out scrapping on a friday night drink so much, night or you drink so much, can't even stand up and you get picked by an ambulance, stick picked up by an ambulance, stick them in attack. them in a serb attack. >> hello there, draghi. good evening. jonathan vautrey. evening. i'm jonathan vautrey. here weather here is your latest news weather forecast provided by the met office many of us did see some sunny intervals throughout today and is area of sunny intervals throughout today and pressure is area of sunny intervals throughout today and pressure waiting area of sunny intervals throughout today and pressure waiting inarea of sunny intervals throughout today and pressure waiting in the of low pressure waiting in the wings in atlantic, wings out in the atlantic, slowly moving towards the uk, for throughout this for many of us throughout this evening and overnight, we are still in this interim, slightly evening and overnight, we are still in period erim, slightly evening and overnight, we are still in period erim so.ightly of quieter period and so many of the were around the showers that were around dunng the showers that were around during day will slowly fade

the showers that were around durinway day will slowly fade the showers that were around durinway out.r will slowly fade the showers that were around durinway out. and. slowly fade the showers that were around durinway out. and alowly fade the showers that were around durinway out. and a lot ly fade the showers that were around durinway out. and a lot offade the showers that were around durinway out. and a lot of use their way out. and a lot of us should see some clear intervals dunng should see some clear intervals during the overnight period, some mist and patches are some mist and fog patches are possible, they'll possible, but they'll readily clear reach on clear once we reach dawn on thursday temperatures thursday morning. temperatures generally around 11 generally holding up around 11 12 c, could just drop 12 c, but we could just drop into single figures in some rural areas and perhaps a bit more across parts of more widely across parts of eastern scotland. but for many of us seeing fair amount of of us seeing a fair amount of brightness thing brightness first thing on thursday for much of thursday morning and for much of scotland, and wales, it scotland, england and wales, it will a relatively similar will be a relatively similar day. sunny spells with a scattering of showers . a scattering of showers. a very different to weather different theme to the weather for northern ireland, though. this moving way this band of rain moving its way in, things quite damp in, turning things quite damp and windy. temperatures going to be holding back underneath that persistent for northern persistent cloud for northern ireland. we see the ireland. but where we see the sunshine elsewhere could climb towards 20 to 23 celsius. this rain in the west then is going to push its way into the west of scotland could scotland, and that could provide, some provide, again, some heavy outbreaks during overnight outbreaks during the overnight period, drier period, staying much drier further towards the south and east clear intervals, east with some clear intervals, allowing for a amount allowing for a good amount of sunshine friday sunshine first thing on friday morning we get up and morning as we get up and underneath sunshine,

underneath that sunshine, temperatures be responding, temperatures will be responding, climbing high 20s in climbing to the high 20s in places definitely a different feel further towards the north and west, cloudier. further and west, much cloudier. further outbreaks of rain for northern ireland, parts of scotland, perhaps a spells showers perhaps a few spells of showers in as well. we in northwest england as well. we get second area of low get this second area of low pressure. gradually its pressure. gradually moving its way the for saturday way towards the uk for saturday and cold fronts could and that cold fronts could provide outbreak for provide a thundery outbreak for many of us as we move into the first half of the weekend. and temperatures will also be building through saturday,

sunday tonight on farage with me patrick christys. >> massive, massive show this. we will get you another update from nigel on his banking crisis. big development. but first, happy birthday to the nhs. 75 today. but is there any

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