me. school. goodness gracious me. what is going on.7 and keir starmer he has been speaking out this time about about education so much to get into. is keir starmer the man to sort it all out.7 apparently things like class ceilings and all the rest of it, the way we talk, i mean, quite frankly, that's me done for, isn't it.7 anyway. is he the man for the job or not.7 and what is going on when it comes to pervy politics.7 asians? you pervy politics? asians? do you think westminster is some think that westminster is some kind of boys club where kind of weird boys club where some of them flounce around like they precisely what they they can do precisely what they want? i speak, of course, about pincher by name and pincher by nature. what is going on? it's laughable, isn't it? and i want to tell you something tonight that you might not be aware of. you, the gb news viewers , are you, the gb news viewers, are being actively discriminated against. i'm going to tell you why we need to come together and we need to say that enough is enough. we need to say that enough is enough . we've got it all coming enough. we've got it all coming your way. but before we do, let's bring ourselves to let's bring ourselves up to speed with tonight's latest

headunes speed with tonight's latest headlines middlehurst headlines with polly middlehurst out . out. >> michelle, thank you and good evening to you. well the prime minister has said today his thoughts are with the family of the eight year old little girl who died today after a land rover into primary rover crashed into her primary school in south—west london. police were called to the scene just before 10:00 this morning. the school involved was the study prep school in wimbledon. 16 people were treated at the scene. ten were airlifted to hospital , scene. ten were airlifted to hospital, all by scene. ten were airlifted to hospital , all by helicopter. hospital, all by helicopter. police say the driver is a woman in her 40s. she's been arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving, her voice cracking with emotion as she reported the death of the eight year old girl detective chief superintendent claire keelan said the incident isn't being treated as terror related and officers along with colleagues from other emergency services , from other emergency services, are provided first aid to a number of people who had been

injured . injured. >> very sadly, one of the children, an eight year old girl, died at the scene . our girl, died at the scene. our thoughts are with her family at this incredibly difficult time . this incredibly difficult time. the driver of a car, a woman agedin the driver of a car, a woman aged in her 40s, stopped at the scene and has since been arrested for causing death by dangerous driving and remains in police custody . police custody. >> well, in other news today, the rmt union has announced within the last hour that it will inflict strike action on the london underground . its the london underground. its members will stop work from the 23rd to the 28th of july. so five days of industrial action. although services will run as normal , they say on the 24th, normal, they say on the 24th, their walking out in their ongoing dispute over pensions, pay ongoing dispute over pensions, pay and working conditions. now, the government has said today it's going to work towards handing over material requested by the covm handing over material requested by the covid inquiry by next week. that's after the cabinet office lost its legal challenge over boris johnson's unredacted

whatsapp messages. lawyers for the government had argued the material would be irrelevant . material would be irrelevant. but the high court has ruled the inquiry must be given full access and the government has launched its bid to take its rwanda deportation policy to the supreme court. last week the court of appeal overturned an earlier high court ruling which found rwanda could be considered a safe third country for asylum seekers . it comes a safe third country for asylum seekers. it comes as a safe third country for asylum seekers . it comes as the a safe third country for asylum seekers. it comes as the house of lords dealt a blow to the government, rejecting its illegal migration bill mps will now consider a series of amendments sir keir starmer a speech outlining labour's education reform plans were interrupted by protesters today, urging him to stop making u—turns on climate policies . u—turns on climate policies. take a look. >> done that one. will you just which side are the labour party on? we are on the side of economic growth. will you just let me please get on with this? thank you very much . thank you very much. >> well, if you're listening on

radio, i can tell you that the television pictures were showing can see that protesters are behind keir starmer as he's trying to announce his goal of half a million more children reaching their early learning targets by 2030. the proposal includes hiring 6500 more teachers and prioritising language skills before he was challenged, he did manage to say everyone is entitled to opportunity in education. >> that's something we should be able to trust all of us. an unwritten contract, a bond of hope between citizen and country generation and generation. so i promise you this whatever the obstacles to opportunity, wherever the barriers to hope, my labour government will tear them . down them. down >> will the education secretary, gillian keegan has responded angrily , saying the government's angrily, saying the government's already making huge improvements in schools through our reforms and through our improvements in standards, we're now fourth in the world for reading . the world for reading.

>> that is amazing. we have just a revolutionised our education system and we've also revolutionised our school system. go and look at what they're actually doing in wales. they're fiddling around with the curriculum, the standards are going down and the outcomes are much worse for children. this is too important to put in labour's hands. and he actually doesn't know what he's talking about. >> retired police officers >> for retired police officers involved in the first stephen lawrence murder in investigation won't face criminal charges. the crown prosecution service says it's satisfied died the national crime agency had fully investigated their actions following the murder in 1993. the initial investigate action failed to bring anyone to justice, although two of stephen's murderers were eventually jailed in 2012, .gov connor chapman was found guilty today at liverpool crown court of the murder of elle edwards . of the murder of elle edwards. cctv footage was released showing the 23 year old fatally shooting her outside the lighthouse pub in the wirral on christmas eve last year. mr

chapman was convicted of her murder and seven other counts. he's expected to be sentenced tomorrow . ls father tim edwards tomorrow. ls father tim edwards says the chapman showed no remorse and thought he could get away with it . away with it. >> no remorse , not one ounce, >> no remorse, not one ounce, not one sign of regret for what he's done . if anything, he's done. if anything, arrogance is to actually believe he can pull the wool over people's eyes and think he can get away with it . get away with it. >> let me just bring you a bit of breaking news we're receiving concerning ocean gate. that's the company that managed the tourist submersible that dived tourist submersible that dived to the titanic shipwreck in the nonh to the titanic shipwreck in the north atlantic ocean. they have suspended all exploration and commercial operations. we understand the authorities are investigating the cause of last month's undersea implosion in which killed all five people on board. that news just in to us now. lastly, thousands of people gathered today for the funeral of two teenagers who died during

a police chase in ely in cardiff in may. best friends kyrees sullivan and harvey evans died after being hit by a bus while fleeing police on their e—bike, sparking rioting in cardiff . sparking rioting in cardiff. that's your news. you're up to date on tv online, dab+ radio and the tunein app . this is gb and the tunein app. this is gb news, the people's . news, the people's. channel thanks for that. >> polly found that story about oceangate absolutely fascinating that they're only just suspended operations you were sitting operations if you were sitting at home previously thinking, do you know what i want to do? i want to get in a tin can and i want to get in a tin can and i want to get in a tin can and i want to go and see the remains of the titanic. i bet after what happened, you wouldn't be thinking would you? so thinking that now, would you? so i'm it's taken them i'm surprised it's taken them quite long suspend quite this long to suspend operations. thought operations. i would have thought there would have there client base would have perhaps dried up within seconds,

but missing something but maybe i'm missing something anyway. i'm michelle dewberry and until and i'm with you until 7:00 tonight. joanna tonight. alongside me, joanna williams , the author and williams, the author and academic, and david kirton, the leader heritage party. leader of the heritage party. good evening to both of you . you good evening to both of you. you know the drill as well, don't you it just about us you? it is not just about us through here. is very much through here. it is very much about you guys at home as well. what is on your mind tonight? if you hear something from the panel heaven even panel or, heaven forbid, even me, think, what are me, that you think, what are they talking about? feel free, get involved. ask questions, get involved. ask us questions, hold account . get involved hold us to account. get involved in the debate. gb views gb news .com is how you reach me on the email or you can tweet me if thatis email or you can tweet me if that is your thing. that's gb news. now we have to start the program with the awful news that many of you might be aware of that came from wimbledon today. horrible story here of a car crashing into primary school. our reporter lisa hartle is live in wimbledon with all the latest now. good evening to you. bring us up to speed, if you will, lisa . lisa.

>> well , we lisa. >> well, we heard police confirmed an eight year old girl passed away at the scene after that land rover had crashed into the school just before 10 am. this morning. police said earlier 16 people were treated at the scene and ten were taken to hospital . the driver, who is to hospital. the driver, who is a woman in her 40s, has been arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving. and police say they're not treating the crash as terror related. i spoke to local mp stephen hammond earlier about the incident and this is what he had to say. well it is a very quiet road. >> it's a very narrow road . so >> it's a very narrow road. so although there are two golf courses up there and other things, it's very difficult to build up any speed because cars are parked on the road . and are parked on the road. and quite often you have to stop to let pass. so i mean, let people pass. so i mean, obviously there's real sadness at the tragedy, but also some incomprehension as to how it happened.i incomprehension as to how it happened . i guess . so as he he

happened. i guess. so as he he was mentioning there about the road talking to locals around here, that's what many of them have said they can't understand how the car could have picked up speed. >> and for this to have happened with it being such a small, quiet, narrow road. and this is, of was the last day of of course, was the last day of school celebrating school children celebrating before breaking up for the summer it's summer holidays. and it's believed a small believed that there was a small event in the event taking place in the grounds the school when the grounds of the school when the incident happened major incident happened and a major incident happened and a major incident was declared earlier with ambulances attending with 15 ambulances attending together with ambulance, together with the air ambulance, police and fire and rescue service . the police remain at service. the police remain at the scene as the investigation continues . in a statement continues. in a statement earlier, detective chief superintendent claire keelan said that the next stages of the investigation will be to identify all witnesses , view identify all witnesses, view cctv as well as interview the woman who has been arrested. the mayor of london has also said that his heart goes out to everyone affected by the devastating crash at the school . and police appealing for . and police are appealing for anyone who know anything anyone who may know anything about to contact about the incident to contact them on 101.

>> lisa, if you will, as well. just help me understand something, because obviously i followed this story and i've something, because obviously i follorthe this story and i've something, because obviously i follorthe aerial ory and i've something, because obviously i follorthe aerial footage i've something, because obviously i follorthe aerial footage ofe something, because obviously i follorthe aerial footage of the seen the aerial footage of the scene, which is just absolutely heartbreakingly devastating . of heartbreakingly devastating. of course, the tables , picnic course, the tables, picnic tables laid out, obviously all the things kind of schroon against well, everywhere, thrown everywhere. now in the car really has created some damage into the exterior. external of that school. but i don't know what i'm missing. i mean, i'm showing you this footage now because from what we can see, the external fences to this school look intact . but how was school look intact. but how was the car? got . in the car? got. in >> well, there's so much we don't know. and when the police held the press conference earlier, questions were asked and they just said, we don't want speculating. and we want people speculating. and we don't we feel like we've shared enough for now. enough information just for now. while investigation enough information just for now. while and;tigation enough information just for now. while and;tidon't1 enough information just for now. while and;tidon't know if continues. and i don't know if you see behind me, but you can see behind me, but there's two roads, both still have cordons on them. so

have police cordons on them. so no one is allowed down there at all the moment. so the all at the moment. so the police, sure, will. can you police, i'm sure, will. can you see information, lisa, that see more information, lisa, that is behind you? is directly behind you? >> this is what i don't know >> and this is what i don't know if. just that it's not if. it's just that it's not clear on the footage, but i cannot see any external perimeter here that's been smashed through . to me, the smashed through. to me, the fences look intact , the walls fences look intact, the walls look intact. so perhaps it's just a positioning thing and we can't see. but i can't fathom how that car has got through the perimeter. where and that's what i'm asking you , guess you i'm asking you, i guess can you see is the external perimeter been smashed and penetrated ? i'd been smashed and penetrated? i'd no like i said, we can't i literally can just see the roads behind you, behind me rather. >> so that's just one of many questions, including stephen hammond said how a car could have picked up speed for this to happen. he was just baffled by it, he said, because it's the kind of road where one car can go down 20 mile an hour limit. so everyone's baffled by this .

so everyone's baffled by this. so everyone's baffled by this. so many that people so many questions that people have around this tragic incident i >> -- >> okay, lisa hatzel, thank you very much for your update. goosebumps on my arm because , goosebumps on my arm because, joanna, in life, you never , joanna, in life, you never, even joanna, in life, you never, ever, ever know what is going to happen next. and there are families today that drop their little ones off. there's a little ones off. there's a little girl's school from age four. if you've seen that footage there, you can see they've got their kind of picnic tables out. they're having some kind of event. very kind of event. it's very exciting. they're kind of hitting their time, going exciting. they're kind of hitting “doing time, going exciting. they're kind of hitting “doing their time, going exciting. they're kind of hitting “doing their things. going exciting. they're kind of hitting “doing their things. and g off and doing their things. and then sadly , a then this happens very sadly, a little eight year old girl will not be returning to her family at god, my bombs. i'm awful when it comes to, you know, kids being harmed and stuff. i cannot comprehend. what those comprehend. and what those poor families must going through. families must be going through. it it's utterly devastating. it is it's utterly devastating. and i can't imagine it either. i mean, you drop your children off at school, you fully expect to see them return home again. at the end of the day, you're looking forward to hearing all

their news all their stories their news and all their stories about they've doing, about what they've been doing, doing and for the doing that day. and for the parents to instead receive a phone call to to it just it phone call to have to it just it it's too awful to comprehend . it's too awful to comprehend. and i think it's very sad sign of the times that the first thing we're thinking of in such an instance , well, the police an instance, well, the police need to come out and actually confirm that this wasn't terror related , that it's not being related, that it's not being treated as terror, terror related, because is related, because that is obviously , sadly, one of the obviously, sadly, one of the first things i think that crosses through all. well, it's not of the first things. for not one of the first things. for me, the absolute first me, it was the absolute first thing. as as got that thing. as soon as i got that alert on my phone car has alert on my phone that a car has gone a primary school, the gone into a primary school, the first thing i thought is, oh my gosh, please, hope this is not gosh, please, i hope this is not a terror attack. is my a terror attack. that is my first thought, which is a sad reflection society as it reflection of society as it stands today. >> it is. i mean, it's one of the first things i thought as well. but then the police are saying it wasn't saying immediately it wasn't terror obviously, saying immediately it wasn't terr(know, obviously, saying immediately it wasn't terr(know, it's obviously, saying immediately it wasn't terr(know, it's a obviously, saying immediately it wasn't terr(know, it's a horribleisly, saying immediately it wasn't terr(know, it's a horrible thing you know, it's a horrible thing to happen. and having been a teacher for 20 years before i got into politics, you know, you

look forward to the last day of school. it's a special day. everyone's fun things . and everyone's doing fun things. and then this happens then something like this happens . it'sjust, know, then something like this happens . it's just, know, it's . it's just, you know, it's beyond words to it is one of my viewers are oliver has emailed straight in saying michelle how do you think that a story like this would get national coverage if it happened in, say, a city like hull? >> or is this national coverage a reflection of the fact that it's london centric? i've got to say , personally speaking, say, personally speaking, i think that this would be national news wherever this situation had occurred, like locally in this country, these events are very few and far between . you know, things like between. you know, things like this just do not happen in this country. you know, luckily , country. you know, luckily, thank thank goodness that is the case. but i do think that this would be big news if it was outside of london to, yeah, anywhere. >> i mean, it's a child is being killed. there's something an incidence happened . we're not incidence happened. we're not sure what's happened and how it's been caused. we haven't got answers to that. so everyone

wants to know what's happened. and this would be big news wherever it took place, whether london in a rural setting or in another town or city, rightly so. 50. >> so. >> and i've got to say, our thoughts go out to everybody affected. of course, the families of the little eight year old, that's very sadly not returning home tonight. and everyone people in hospital, people that have been harmed, people that have been harmed, people that have witnessed this, it is just absolutely solutely tragic. get any more tragic. and if we get any more information, bring it to information, we'll bring it to you as soon as it happens. we have also got a very packed programme coming. your way tonight. keir starmer starmer. he's been out and about revealing his plans. when it comes to things like education. did hear them ? what do you did you hear them? what do you make is he the man for make to them? is he the man for the job? want to speak as well the job? i want to speak as well about what is going on in westminster. the whole pincher gates. seen and gates. have you seen that? and don't well, don't go anywhere as well, because want to tell you, the because i want to tell you, the gb news that you are gb news viewer, that you are being actively discriminated against. that story against. i'll have that story

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listening to gb news radio. >> hello there. >> hello there. >> welcome back to dewbs& co with me, michelle dewberry. now lots to get into tonight, not least the fact that you might have noticed that keir starmer has been busy talking all about education and what a treat everybody. what a treat . because everybody. what a treat. because on my panel i have not one but two teachers, former teachers. should i say. it's almost like we planned it, which is absolutely fabulous . david caton absolutely fabulous. david caton joanna williams biology. former biology teacher, is david, former english teacher is joanna. so what a perfect pair to get into this tonight because keir starmer , he's had so much keir starmer, he's had so much to say across all different aspects of educational reforms. i've got to say the list of them are longer than about three of my arms put together, and we do go off air at 7:00. so we've picked a few to draw out when it comes to what is missions actually are. let's have a look

. right. are you ready? sitting comfortably. everyone he wants to end private schools, charitable status. he reckons that that will save 1.7 billion in tax revenue . this money will in tax revenue. this money will be used to recruit 6500 extra teachers in shortage subjects such as maths . it also will be such as maths. it also will be compulsory for new teachers to have a formal teaching qualification or be working towards one. they also plan to give teachers £2,400 retention payments to stop them quitting and there'll be a consult on scrapping ofsted's grading system. also, they want to provide free breakfast clubs for all primary pupils , but they all primary pupils, but they ruled out universal free school meals. now what a joy. both teachers . i'll start with you teachers. i'll start with you then, joanna. there was way more than this announced today. pick whichever of the aspects you want. are you sitting here today going. yes. the future of our kids is safe under starmer unfortune . i'm not because i unfortune. i'm not because i think sadly, i think most of

these things actually have very little to do with education. >> the only one i think is potentially good is the plan to recruit 6500 more teachers. but i wish him luck with that because you can't just magic teachers up out of thin air. you know, it takes a while to get them trained up and the sad fact is, a lot of teachers quit within the first five years. and i put my hand up. i was one of them. and add £2,400 would not have been enough to ipso rewind. >> why did you go into teaching then? >> oh, i was absolutely passionate about it and still to this day i would say i really loved teaching what i didn't like was all the other problems that came with it that were part of the job. there are lots of problems with pupil discipline in, that it becomes in, for example, that it becomes very difficult for you to solve as an individual teacher if you're working in a school that is not supportive of a strong disciplinary ethos . there's only disciplinary ethos. there's only so much that you as an individual can do. you need the backup from your managers and

lots of schools have policies where if children misbehave, it's the children who are kind of seen as victims and they are taken out and they're asked what's wrong and what would make them happier and them feel better and happier and more comfortable in school. and you as a teacher, it's considered if your fault considered as if it's your fault that a child misbehave in your class. >> so how long did you last? >> so how long did you last? >> well, i did. i did do five years. >> right. so you have a decade under your belt. what made you going to teaching? >> when i was younger, i wanted to do something which was positive and back to positive and give back to society. and thought, if i'm a society. and i thought, if i'm a teacher, i help to teacher, well, i can help to develop new generation of kids develop a new generation of kids and know, ethos and instil good, you know, ethos and instil good, you know, ethos and and principles. and values and principles. >> long you last? >> and how long did you last? >> and how long did you last? >> i was teaching for 17 years. >> i was teaching for 17 years. >> all right. you did you put a proper shift in that. so so what do you think then, to some of these kind of pledges, whatever you want to call them? >> i don't much of what >> i don't think much of what keir has said. mean, keir starmer has said. i mean, it's very thin gruel. it's quite you know, there's some you know, emotional there, emotional statements in there, some statements some fluffy, nebulous statements , concrete , but there's nothing concrete in that i see apart

in there that i can see apart from what joanna said, you know, having 6500 more teachers would be but every party in be good. but every party in every election promises more teachers, nurses , more teachers, more nurses, more doctors. that's nothing doctors. so that's nothing unusual. >> well, what about free breakfast then, for primary? >> i don't it's the job of >> i don't think it's the job of the to feed children , you the school to feed children, you know. you know , breakfast, lunch know. you know, breakfast, lunch or dinner. i mean , this is one or dinner. i mean, this is one of the ideas that's coming out of the ideas that's coming out of party is that of the left party is that schools should wraparound schools should be a wraparound facility , be from like eight in facility, be from like eight in the morning until six in the evening. i completely disagree with because it's the with that because it's the family's job to bring up their kids them. kids and feed them. >> and fact that starmer >> and the fact that starmer suggests says to that he suggests that says to me that he doesn't really what schools doesn't really know what schools are that he's making these are for, that he's making these proposals they're proposals saying that they're going and going to improve education and actually most of these proposals have nothing to do with have got nothing to do with education. >> but hang on, because would >> but hang on, because he would argue have the best argue you can have the best teachers the world. can teachers in the world. you can have best training delivery have the best training delivery in world. but if these kids in the world. but if these kids or some of them are going to school hungry because, yes, brilliant. families, brilliant. some families, they're they their

they're great. they feed their kids. parents absolute kids. some parents are absolute they do not prioritise the absolute basic. some kids can't even , you know, go to toilet even, you know, go to toilet when they start school because their parents are absolute rhiannon jones. their parents are absolute rhiannon jones . so what would rhiannon jones. so what he would argue you can have all argue is that you can have all of this spent, you can of this money spent, you can have all of this development, but if kids absorb what but if kids cannot absorb what you're they're you're teaching because they're starving, all starving, hungry, then it's all wasted and that's why wasted money. and that's why he's proposing it. >> i would put things into >> well, i would put things into proportion think a proportion a bit. i think it's a really small of really small minority of children who turning up for children who are turning up for school know, this is school hungry. you know, this is not the majority of kids who are turning hungry turning up for school hungry each even in really poor each day. even in really poor areas. most children go to school having eaten breakfast or having had something to eat. the point is, you know, i've got nothing against children being fed. i've got nothing against children. i should hope not. good >> that's my strong starting off point. people to be fed for the fact that i do feed them every now and again. >> but but, you know, they do generally get fed. but i think what we kid ourselves is that

this is going to improve education. ultimately, the only thing standards thing that improves standards in education having education is having well qualified subject expert qualified subject subject expert teachers, a disciplined ethos in the classroom. most hated teachers with high aspirations and high expectations for the pupils in front of them. you can do all the taking money off private schools, putting it into state schools. you know, the lunches , the breakfast clubs, lunches, the breakfast clubs, the parenting of children you like. but the bottom line is that will not improve it. right? >> so let me pick another one then. he wants to have a citizenship curriculum, reform to include, quote, practical to include, i quote, practical life skills. again that's good, isn't it? >> these superfluous subjects. and there are three of them. they're citizenship. there's ssh, there's rac relationships and sex education. i would get rid of all three of them and just concentrate on subjects. parents send their kids to school. you expect them to learn about maths, english, literature, learning, reading and spelling and arithmoi .

and spelling and arithmoi. obviously languages, music , obviously languages, music, sport, not these superfluous things. i mean, what is life skills? what does that mean? >> well, i will give you an example. >> very nebulous. >> very nebulous. >> well, if you said to me, what is a life skill that you can teach a kid at school that's got value added? i would say, for example, financial management. so you can actually teach so if you can actually teach children great what children us great maths, what is, know, what is a pound is, you know, what is a pound plus £2 brilliant, if you plus £2 brilliant, but if you actually them things like actually taught them things like compound does compound interest, what does apr mean? a bank account? mean? what is a bank account? how you do this? how do you how do you do this? how do you access a bank account? how what's good what's bad what's good debt? what's bad debt? you manage i debt? how do you manage debt? i would argue that if you did, if you taught people things like that, that be good. that, that would be good. >> have subject >> we used to have a subject called economics. we did. called home economics. we did. and all taught home and that was all taught in home economics. back in the economics. you know, back in the day, the 70s and the 60s and day, in the 70s and the 60s and so before it was kind of so on, before it was kind of stripped out and then it just became about cooking. but let's get that back. that is a good subject, old school subject, which is an old school subject, which is an old school subject, would subject, and i would totally agree teaching to all

agree with teaching that to all children. so you agree with that? >> one then? so that's good. >> one then? so that's good. >> sure i agree because >> i'm not sure i agree because i think these practical life skills are only only become relevant meaningful to relevant and meaningful to people actually need relevant and meaningful to peoplethe actually need relevant and meaningful to peoplethe idea actually need relevant and meaningful to peoplethe idea of actually need relevant and meaningful to peoplethe idea of sitting y need relevant and meaningful to peoplethe idea of sitting downi them. the idea of sitting down with class of year at with a class of 13 year olds at 2:00 on friday afternoon and 2:00 on a friday afternoon and saying, right, i'm going to teach you compound teach you about compound interest financial interest and apr and financial management. about half of them would and half them would be asleep and half of them would be asleep and half of them would climbing up. but you're would be climbing up. but you're not going word like that. not going to word it like that. >> what you'll say is right, guys, i going to teach guys, kids, i am going to teach you skills that going to you now skills that are going to help all the things that help you get all the things that you life that are going you want in life that are going to help you get a home. they're going to help you keep your home. to allow you home. they're going to allow you to holidays you want to go on holidays that you want by travel. by the travel. >> the fact is it's going to be a gcse, english and maths that does that for more than does that for them far more than a in compound interest on a lesson in compound interest on a lesson in compound interest on a afternoon. know, a friday afternoon. you know, for be able to get a for them to be able to get a good job, need to have good good job, they need to have good gcse a—levels, go on to university, know, if that's university, you know, if that's the want to take. the route they want to take. obviously there's other other equally good routes. >> well, do know >> well, do you know what i thought it was quite interesting. compound interest.

what to it? you tell what do you make to it? you tell me. have you read all this stuff? do you think that he is indeed man to shape the indeed the man to shape the careers, the lives and the outlooks of going forward? outlooks of kids going forward? yes ? i've got lots coming yes or no? i've got lots coming up your way. so i do need to move on. i want to talk to you about the whole pincher gate. what going on in westminster about the whole pincher gate. vand going on in westminster about the whole pincher gate. vand i going on in westminster about the whole pincher gate. vand i als0|g on in westminster about the whole pincher gate. vand i also i on in westminster about the whole pincher gate. vand i also i really westminster about the whole pincher gate. vand i also i really wantminster about the whole pincher gate. vand i also i really want t01ster . and i also i really want to get something off my chest, you guys, you, gb news viewers, guys, you, the gb news viewers, are being actively discriminated against. i have had enough against. and i have had enough of it. i'll tell you all before the end of the

me at 7:00 on gb news. britain's news . channel news. channel >> hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with you until 7:00 alongside me, joanna williams, the author and academic, and david caton, the leader of the heritage party. both of them just giving me their views as former teachers . on keir former teachers. on keir starmers educational reforms. you guys have been getting in touch. richard says. starmer's reforms are waffle tired soundees reforms are waffle tired soundbites and have no substance. they are all topped

off with a sprinkle of anti—welsh sentiment and lots of you kind of saying, i mean, i'm trying to actually find people that are supporting and celebrating what has been said today. john says life skills should not be taught in school. surely it is down to the parents. yes, though, john, i completely agree. but what if you have absolute wrong'uns as parents? what then do you just get thrown onto a scrap heap? i don't know. you tell me , graham don't know. you tell me, graham says. well, michelle, in answer to that point, adults should pass a child care competency test before they are allowed to have children. someone else says until people can decide what discipline is required in education, the school system is doomed, martin says. what about teaching first aid? sign language and financial? social theo chikomba say that social interaction and tolerance and on and on it goes. let me know your thoughts on it all, but let's talk westminster, shall we? chris pincher you'll be aware of him. it's been recommended that

he has an eight week common suspension . of course, this all suspension. of course, this all dates back to the fact that he was found to have groped two men at a london club last year. was found to have groped two men at a london club last year . of at a london club last year. of course, he was the deputy chief whip of the tories. now i've got to say, it does feel to me like these kind of what i would say kind of pervy , handsy kind of pervy, handsy politicians as this stuff does seem to be happening with a frequency that i find quite uncomfortable anyway, is it something to do with the westminster kind of mindset and culture or what? what's going on? >> it's a difficult one because i think it does happen quite regularly. i it's something that i wouldn't even consider doing. i wouldn't even consider doing. i haven't even come across this in my work career as a teacher. obviously it's a very different style and place of work. it's good to know that that's good to know ticking all the boxes know we're ticking all the boxes . mean , it does happen. . yeah. i mean, it does happen. it does seemingly happen with alarming regularity, but the thing is, you know, this this is a serious incident. obviously

and he's been now suspended for it. but you do get accusations to people who have just, you know, touched someone's arm and someone is oversensitive and then they make an then they go and make an accusation misconduct accusation of sexual misconduct when was intended. so when nothing was intended. so i think on one hand, there are people making accusations which are, you know, over and above something which could just be sorted out . and, you know, you sorted out. and, you know, you need to allow for a little bit of banter among adults and things this. do things like this. do you? because seem to you dinosaur you because have been yelling because people have been yelling at well at their screens saying, well yes , today's banter is today's yes, today's banter is today's complete no, no, where are you on this, joanna well, i think unfortunate . unfortunate. >> you get idiots in all walks of life and parliaments clearly no exception . when it happens in no exception. when it happens in parliament, we're far more likely to hear about it. it's going to be front page news. in addition, i guess there's a long hours culture. there's an hours culture. there's often an alcohol culture and all alcohol fuelled culture and all of those no doubt make these things to happen . things more likely to happen. but i personally, i don't think it's fair to say that westminster a boys club.

westminster is a boys club. i mean, for one thing, it seems to mean, for one thing, it seems to me there's more mps me that there's more female mps now before and to now than ever before and to actually suggest that parliament is still a boys club in the face of having female mps of having all these female mps is patronising and is a bit patronising and insulting to them. it suggests they've not their mark on they've not made their mark on they've not made their mark on the that women like the place that women like theresa prime minister theresa may ex prime minister angela rayner, stella creasy you know, whether you agree with them or not, the latter two, them or not, and the latter two, you know, of those three you know, all all of those three know disagree with on a lot. but but they're strong, powerful women able to make women who've been able to make their parliament. their mark on parliament. but what david's point? what about david's point? >> in this day and age >> because in this day and age like and i'm thinking now of that tory, the mayor candidate, daniel korski , he had to daniel korski, he had to withdraw from running potentially as london mayor because a female had come out and said that he'd, you know, touched her or whatever years ago. so he decided , look, do you ago. so he decided, look, do you know what, i'm going to be on my campaign trail and you're not going to let me speak about my vision for london. you're going to asking me about this to keep asking me about this issue, therefore, i'm of

issue, so therefore, i'm out of the and actually, you the race. and actually, you know, cynical view, perhaps, know, a cynical view, perhaps, but, you know, any woman can sit there go, you what there and go, do you know what i don't like the tories or i don't like labour and i don't like the lib dems whatever. so i don't like labour and i don't like the lib d him whatever. so i don't like labour and i don't like the lib d him to whatever. so i don't like labour and i don't like the lib d him to get tever. so i don't like labour and i don't like the lib d him to get elected. i don't like labour and i don't like the lib d him to get elected. so ion't like labour and i don't like the lib d him to get elected. so what want him to get elected. so what i'm to do is i'm going to, i'm going to do is i'm going to, you know, wait until the election. i'm going to come out and he touched me and say, right, he touched me and say, right, he touched me and know they're going and then we know they're going to stand down. that to have to stand down. is that a bit of a i don't think you're wrong. >> and i think the important point is that that guy denied all the accusations against him. and believe very strongly and i believe very strongly that people until people should be innocent until proven often people proven guilty. and often people are jump ship at the are choosing to jump ship at the hint accusation because hint of an accusation because they want their name be they don't want their name to be dragged through press. and, dragged through the press. and, you like i said, i think you know, like i said, i think there is sometimes a toxic there is some sometimes a toxic atmosphere parliament, but atmosphere in parliament, but i think be women just think often it can be women just as much as men who are to blame. i we've seen high i mean, we've seen the high profile of the snp profile stepping down of the snp candidate yet she candidate mhairi black, yet she was the one who stood up in parliament and accused the conservative government of being fascist. now don't get much

fascist. now you don't get much more toxic than that as far as i'm concerned. i what i would do if i was in charge of this country, which i am not, i would close the bars in westminster , close the bars in westminster, where i think if you close these bars and you stop serving alcohol in westminster, i think that you would change the culture of politics. >> all most overnight. why have they got bars, alcohol, serving bars in their workplace? and by the way, subsidised by me, you and everyone at home as taxpayers. do you think you should have bars like that? >> i don't see anything wrong with in westmin with having bars in westmin easter it's something easter because it's something that's tradition that's part of the tradition of the they've there the place. they've been there for decades, not centuries. for decades, if not centuries. so people go there to have a very long working day. i mean, some of the mps and you know, i don't think much of many of them, but in their defence, sometimes they're in they're in parliament votes go on till 1112, 1:00 at night, which i think is ridiculous by the way. it is, i think. but that's the system have the moment. system they have at the moment. so they need somewhere to so well, they need somewhere to go relax, have coffee, go and relax, have a coffee, have i don't see

have a drink. i don't see anything with that. anything wrong with that. but this didn't this pincher case, it didn't happen a bar in westminster. happen in a bar in westminster. it happened in one of the clubs outside the carlton club. yeah, i think that's a really important westminster important point in westminster is place that has bars. >> i mean, i've spent 15 years working a university campus, working on a university campus, so bars around so there's plenty of bars around a campus, you know, a university campus, you know, and think alcohol is and i think it's alcohol is a part life. and if people are part of life. and if people are not finding access to alcohol in their place of work, can go their place of work, they can go outside it there. outside and find it there. people have to learn to deal with it. >> one of my viewers, paul, says all working in what he all women working in what he calls pestminster get calls pestminster should get free defence what free self defence classes. what do think you're a woman. do you think you're a woman. what do you think to that? >> i mean, wouldn't say no. >> i mean, i wouldn't say no. i like any freebies personally and it might fun good it might be good fun and good exercise, you know, exercise, but i think, you know, you can you can shift the blame from women men, you know, and from women to men, you know, and back again, men clearly shouldn't this shouldn't be behaving in this stupid should be able stupid way. women should be able to themselves. again, i to defend themselves. again, i think keep think it's important we keep a sense proportion about this. sense of proportion about this. i we run the risk of i think we run the risk of putting young women off, entering parliament getting entering parliament and getting involved if we kind

involved in politics. if we kind of create this image that it's toxic, you as soon as they toxic, you know, as soon as they step into the houses of step foot into the houses of parliament, people going to parliament, people are going to be waiting to grope them and molest know, molest them. and, you know, that's true . you know, that's just not true. you know, you have very happy, you can have a very happy, successful career a female successful career as a female politician without being groped or well, going to or harassed. well, i'm going to throw to you. throw it open to you. >> you ever your >> would you ever fancy your chances as an mp? do you sit there and go, that is the kind of career for me? or are you on the other side of the fence, which is absolutely not on your nelly? would it be for you? i've got to say, i don't think actually would for me if actually it would be for me if i'm honest. anyway i've got something you about. something to talk to you about. something i've been something that i've been desperate to get off my chest for while. you at home for a little while. you at home are discriminated against. are being discriminated against. and got i cannot and i've got to say, i cannot sit back and let happen any sit back and let it happen any longer. need to talk about it longer. we need to talk about it and it. i'll and do something about it. i'll see you .

in two. hello there. welcome back to dewbs & co with me. michelle dewbs& co with me. michelle dewberry keeping you company right through until 7:00. alongside me, joanna williams and david curtain remain. alongside me, joanna williams and david curtain remain . and and david curtain remain. and you know what? i actually if you will just sit comfortably, grab a brew and indulge me because there is something that i want to get off my chest . now, if i to get off my chest. now, if i had a pound for every time that i've been asked, michelle, why have you got the same adverts over and over again on gb news? and quite frankly, i would be a rich woman. so it's time to address that question head on. firstly, we have massive, massive appreciation for every single one of our advertisers and if you don't know by now where you can buy, sell or repair your gold jewellery, then frankly, you are beyond helping. no, i cannot do a welsh accent . no, i cannot do a welsh accent. the truth is, though, that we are subject to a massive advertising boycott and we have

been ever since. well before actually, we'd even broadcast this seconds worth of content. why? well because politically motivated online pressure groups have made it their life's work to try and close us down. they believe that theirs is the only permissible view . and if anyone permissible view. and if anyone dare to hold an opposite opinion, they must be bigots. fascists and yes, you guessed it, racist . it's the very people it, racist. it's the very people who claim to be against hate . i who claim to be against hate. i spend so much of their time desperately whipping up hatred towards us. when a new advertiser comes on board, a campaign starts almost immediately to get them to leave us. here's an example from just this week . a company, grind this week. a company, grind coffee, joined us and then because there was sent a 39 second clip of present us or contributors daring to challenge the fact that perhaps the planet isn't about to literally explode in a nanosecond . they were asked in a nanosecond. they were asked to remove their advertising from us. they duly agreed , and the

us. they duly agreed, and the baying mob they were delighted . baying mob they were delighted. woohooi look, they had their scalp. victory was is theirs. but this goes deeper than just social media. many folk at the heart of advertising and creative industries spend hours and weeks dreaming up inclusive campaigns dripping with diversity. but woe betide you if you've got the audacity to hold views that they may disapprove of , because then out the window of, because then out the window goes. that's inclusion. and in the door instead comes prejudice and exclusion. this was demonstrated again just last week when one of our female senior managers attended an industry event to present awards that we gb news had sponsored . that we gb news had sponsored. and listen . kwasi and listen. kwasi. all .

and listen. kwasi. all. meanwhile i want to congratulate mark steyn . all right, now, mark steyn. all right, now, trust me that video doesn't even show the half of it. she was treated absolute , absolutely treated absolute, absolutely appallingly by many of the attendees. she was shouted at, sworn at, heckled , and just so sworn at, heckled, and just so much more by a crowd that seemed to be getting increasingly volatile and aggressive. it was awful . well, one of the judges awful. well, one of the judges of the event afterwards took to social media to call us vile , social media to call us vile, which is very odd because i don't know about you, but what i'd call vile is grown men trying to intimidate a female, especially in a professional setting. but oddly that have anything to say about that abusing gb news. and be clear , abusing gb news. and be clear, you, our viewers , has become the you, our viewers, has become the acceptable face of hate. it's almost like it's the hip and

cool thing to do if you hate gb news and our viewers . wow. it's news and our viewers. wow. it's a demonstration of how work you are. well done. you you're one of the good guys. so it seems they believe in inclusion for all but exclusion for you, the gb news viewers , they feel that gb news viewers, they feel that somehow your pound isn't as good as everybody else's and that your custom is not as valued and that you matter less. we strongly disagree with this and we value each and every single one of you, even if advertisers currently don't , we don't exist currently don't, we don't exist to serve the industry elites. we exist to serve you the great british public, and we will not stop fighting for you and for the issues that you hold dear, the issues that you hold dear, the things that are affecting your lives and your communities. and we will not stop fighting for free speech. we will not eight let you down. but now it

isfime eight let you down. but now it is time for us to come together to push back, to call out what is happening, said it is wrong and that enough is enough . if . and that enough is enough. if. i've been wanting to get this off my chest , joanna, for a very off my chest, joanna, for a very long time because you know this is i would call this prejudice and it is happening. i mean, i have lists, i've got lists and lists of companies that have had advertising with us. and that have withdrawn their advertising . and it is infuriated me because these viewers , our because these viewers, our viewers matter . their pound because these viewers, our viewers matter. their pound is just as good as everybody else's is, and they are not the things the racists, the fascists, the bigots . it is a disgrace. what bigots. it is a disgrace. what is going on. >> absolutely, michel . and i'm >> absolutely, michel. and i'm so glad that you said all of that. and i'm really glad you did take this opportunity to get it off your chest. couldn't agree more. couldn't have put it better than you did. you know, i

think in displays virtue think in displays of virtue signalling, which is what a lot of this is, these companies, they show how out of touch they are because, i mean, we know that gb news is growing . that gb news is growing. audience. they're missing out on the opportunity to sell products to these people because of the hate that comes from within them. and it is prejudice. a lot of the assumptions that they make are simply not true . so make are simply not true. so they've got so much prejudice towards people who they what they assume . people who watch gb they assume. people who watch gb news believe and it's not true. it's out of touch. and it shows that they are on a different planet to the rest of us. the only thing i would add is a word of warning to these companies, because i think one brilliant thing that we've seen in the past few months is what happened to light in the us when they to bud light in the us when they used well known transgender used a well known transgender character to promote bud light , character to promote bud light, and a boycott ensued and their

profit margin dropped through the floor. so i think boycotts can work both ways . and, you can work both ways. and, you know, these advertising companies might boycott gb news, but we can choose to boycott them. >> david, what do you make to it? >> i think it's absolutely appalling that these companies are boycotting you and gb news us, you know, and the viewers as well . they're not doing well. they're not doing themselves any favours , themselves any favours, actually, because if they advertise with you, they would find a large and a growing audience. so really, they're shooting themselves in the foot. but it is absolute prejudice and they are doing this because they are there are pressure groups from the far left who are leaning on them, like you said , leaning on them, like you said, and agitating for them to pull their adverts because they don't want anyone with a conservative or a traditional view to have air time . this this is it. air time. this this is it. they've got their own ideologies. they're they're far left liberal, progressive ideologies , and they want to ideologies, and they want to shut out anyone who disagrees with them. and it's completely wrong . it's an attack on free

wrong. it's an attack on free speech. it's an attack on freedom. >> yeah. when i heard about this event, i mean, i remember you'll remember at home, actually, the trigger was nigel farage, trigger was when nigel farage, he an award, didn't he? the he got an award, didn't he? the industry kind of attendees. they were absolutely beside themselves. they couldn't believe it. and that was a people's vote, by the way, voted by you. this channel beat the likes of, for example, good morning britain, hugely established programs, channels as well. so we know that we're doing things that people care about. and you know, we know that our audience , you know, we that our audience, you know, we they are kind of. yes. okay some people might have voted for brexit in this society. and guess what? are you ready? trigger warning . they might trigger warning. they might watch gb news and this whole kind of thing about xenophobic, racist . it's come from i think racist. it's come from i think a lot of it stems down to that people cannot cope with an opinion that is not the same as theirs . theirs. >> i mean, the irony of course, is that these people are kind of

profess how kind they are. you know, that if anybody on twitter, for example, or on any other social media channel puts kind of hashtag be kind in their profile , you know, they're profile, you know, they're probably going to be the most vile, horrible person going. >> see, the attacks that >> see, one of the attacks that they constantly say about they will constantly say about this channel is that you're not balanced, balanced, this channel is that you're not balanc not balanced, this channel is that you're not balancnot balanced. balanced, this channel is that you're not balanc not balanced. well,iced, this channel is that you're not balancnot balanced. well, i've you're not balanced. well, i've got to say, i mean, i sat on this program now for, you know, best years. and best part of two years. and i sit here day in, day out, day in, day out with people of different persuasions. we've had everyone , former everyone on here, labour, former councillors , heritage party, councillors, heritage party, tories , you know. do you think tories, you know. do you think that we provide balance? >> absolutely. i mean, i have some very spicy arguments with people here who have got very different opinions to you. >> oh, absolutely. well, what do you it all at home? you make to it all at home? honestly, guys, what is going on in my mind anyway is absolutely unaware . acceptable. you can unaware. acceptable. you can look at it for yourself . this is look at it for yourself. this is a hate mob. if you ask me a politically motivated one. whipping up hatred. and you know

what? they're being quite successful that is why you do see repeated adverts. and i reiterate we appreciate it each and every single advertiser that does not get involved in this channel and by the way, an advertiser advertising on a channel, it doesn't mean that they endorse every single syllable that exits somebody's mouth. the premise of that is absolute lunacy. i mean, i don't even know where that's come from. >> no, it's utterly bizarre. i mean, you wouldn't accept that in a newspaper , for example, in a newspaper, for example, you'd see all kinds of products advertised. you wouldn't assume that the advertiser users are endorsing every word printed in the newspaper . gb news endorsing every word printed in the newspaper. gb news seems to be given a special treatment as far as this is concerned. and again, it's a prejudicial. >> one of my viewers is saying, well, who who are these companies? well, i mentioned paul companies? well, i mentioned paul, this is coming across the industry advertising agencies. i've been in me personally and met with advertising execs. you know, you can tell when you meet

some of these people, it's the problem often stems with them , problem often stems with them, their closed mind, their biased mind. it is it starts from them and then it trickles out. but lots of brands have removed advertising from us. there's a list. as long as my arm grind one this week, as i just mentioned, the coffee brand and we've had previous withdrawals from people like bosch, grolsch , ikea, koppenberg , vitality, , ikea, koppenberg, vitality, nivia , open university, nivia, open university, pinterest . there's loads of pinterest. there's loads of people specsavers we value all of those brands and i know that our consumer us do as well. you know what? you're probably consumer makers of some of those brands. and my message to those opinions , to those companies, by opinions, to those companies, by the way, is that the viewers of gb news, they're pound their custom is just as valuable as any body else. and you are missing out by not talking to them anyway. look, time flies . them anyway. look, time flies. joanna, thank you for your time . david thank you for yours. joanna, thank you for your time . david thank you for yours . we . david thank you for yours. we will keep standing up for you

here at gb news. that is literal why we exist . we will not let why we exist. we will not let you down. we will keep fighting for your free speech and we are not going anywhere. thank you for watching, for listening . for watching, for listening. have a good evening and i will see you tomorrow .

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