7 i'll .7 i'll cover all teaching unions.7 i'll cover all of that in my digest next, and then i'll get the views of my superstar panel tonight at allison pearson , shaun bailey allison pearson, shaun bailey and amy nicole turner. elsewhere the duke of sussex is in the news. he's been spotted at american 4th of july celebrations just hours before his own father's scottish coronation. so why is prince harry a traitor. coronation. so why is prince harry a traitor . top royal harry a traitor. top royal insider petronella wyatt gives her unmissable verdict. also tonight, after she was spotted taking guzzling helicopter taking a gas guzzling helicopter to troubled this to glasgow, she troubled this morning. holly morning. presenter holly willoughby she's in morning. presenter holly wilitankiby she's in morning. presenter holly wilitank for she's in morning. presenter holly wilitank for just she's in morning. presenter holly wilitank for just stop she's in morning. presenter holly wilitank for just stop oil's in the tank for just stop oil >> all i hope is that somewhere higher start to make higher up will start to make a difference. i mean , double difference. i mean, double standards from a star who knew .7 standards from a star who knew? >> so can we trust establishment media to practise what they preach ? fleet street icon kelvin preach? fleet street icon kelvin mackenzie is uncancelled. later in the show and after the ugly

scenes at the tric awards where gb news presenters were booed and heckled , there's been and heckled, there's been another shocking attack against the channel. your channel from industry luvvies . and industry luvvies. and. that is our incredibly talented head of marketing. being heckled by a room of drunk , arrogant men. room of drunk, arrogant men. more on this shocking story later in the clash. edwina currie and neil hamilton go head to head on a very important question whether the tories are now a left wing party plus a trans has been spared jail after their case was delayed. so a decision could be made on whether to house them with male or female inmates. us. i'll be joined by a furious former prisons minister, ann widdecombe, to react to that disturbing story in the outsider

. tomorrow's front pages on the way to and our crown a new greatest britain and union jackass before the night is out. this is dan wootton tonight with me, mark dolan for this week and next. let's go . next. let's go. you're watching gb news, britain's news channel. your channel. i'll be dealing with keir starmer in just two minutes time. you won't want to miss it. i'm not pulling my punches. but first, the headlines with polly middlehurst . middlehurst. >> mark, thank you. good evening to you. well, our top story tonight is that prime minister says his thoughts are with the family of an eight year old little girl who died today after a crashed into her a land rover crashed into her school in south—west london. police were called to the school just before 10:00 this morning. it was the study prep school in

wimbledon . 16 people had to be wimbledon. 16 people had to be treated at the scene. ten were taken to hospital . and police taken to hospital. and police are saying the driver was a woman in her 40s. she has been arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving . death by dangerous driving. well, with her voice cracking with emotion as she reported the death of the eight year old girl to reporters, a detective chief superintendent claire kellen said the incident wasn't being treated as terror related. >> officers , along with >> officers, along with colleagues from other emergency services , is provided first aid services, is provided first aid to a number of people who had been injured . very sadly, one of been injured. very sadly, one of the children, an eight year old girl, died at the scene . our girl, died at the scene. our thoughts are with her family at this incredibly difficult time . this incredibly difficult time. the driver of a car, a woman agedin the driver of a car, a woman aged in her 40s, stopped at the scene and has since been arrested for causing death by dangerous driving and remains in police custody . police custody. >> claire cullen speaking there. now the rmt union has announced

a strike on the london underground. excuse me. its members will stop work from the 23rd to the 28th of july. though services, we understand, will run on the 24th. they're walking out in a continuing dispute over pensions and working conditions . and the government says it's going to work towards handing over material requested by the covid inquiry by next week. that's after the cabinet office lost its legal challenge over bofis lost its legal challenge over boris johnson's unredacted whatsapp messages. lawyers for the government had argued the material would be irrelevant. however, the high court has ruled the inquiry must be given full access and the government has had to launch today a bid to take its rwanda deportation policy to the supreme court. last week, the court of appeal overturned an earlier high court ruling, which found rwanda could be considered a safe third country for asylum seekers . and country for asylum seekers. and that comes as the house of lords deau that comes as the house of lords dealt a blow to the government rejecting its illegal migration

bill. mps are now having to consider a series of amendments , international news and yevgeny prigozhin, the founder of the wagner mercenary group, is back in russia. according to the belarus leader alexander lukashenko. mr lukashenko said the wagner leader was currently , as his guest was in saint petersburg or moscow , and petersburg or moscow, and russian security services were most likely watching him. mr prigozhin was last seen in pubuc prigozhin was last seen in public on the 24th of june, leaving russia after wagner's attempted coup . now, the social attempted coup. now, the social media platform threads has had more than 30 million sign ups today. more than 30 million sign ups today . that's in less than 24 today. that's in less than 24 hours of its launch. the new platform created by meta has a tech style format for conversation , which encourages conversation, which encourages users to post updates and join a pubuc users to post updates and join a public discourse. it looks to take on elon musk's twitter by taking advantage of instagram's billions of users . you're up to

billions of users. you're up to date on tv, online and on the tune in app here with gb news, britain's news . britain's news. channel >> thanks, polly . it's mark >> thanks, polly. it's mark dolan in for the great dan wootton this week and next. lovely to have your company. the cervix free leader of the opposition, sir keir starmer is back in the news outlining the fifth of his so—called missions. this one to sort out education. first up, he's going to change the current curriculum to improve pupils, oratory and pubuc improve pupils, oratory and public speaking are a bit ironic coming from starmer, whose communication skills are up there with the elephant man. the teaching unions responsible. let's not forget, for those disgraceful school closures dunng disgraceful school closures during the pandemic are delighted with starmer's proposals . although they press proposals. although they press the labour leader on the issue of investment , the labour leader on the issue of investment, which you and i

know is a snake oil term, which means more borrowed billions. are you telling me that starmer won't give in to the inflation busting demands of not just the teaching unions, but the doctors, the nurses, the civil servants and everyone else in the public sector ? do me a the public sector? do me a favour. this is his political constituency . the unions constituency. the unions bankroll his party and they've got him by the short and curlies. i would say they've got him by the balls, but he doesn't have any public sector unions will be expecting a cash bonanza when he gets in and if he doesn't yield to their demands , doesn't yield to their demands, i predict an all out war within the soon to be governing labour party. the teaching unions say they want less testing and fewer exams . in they want less testing and fewer exams. in other they want less testing and fewer exams . in other words, they hate exams. in other words, they hate accountable reality if they have their way , which under a labour their way, which under a labour government of course they will. academic standards will plummet and for all our youngsters it will be a race to the bottom and starmer plans to have more focus

on creative subjects. yeah that's really going to help us compete with china and south korea, isn't it? with more photography classes, if drama, knitting and cake making don't boost the economy , nothing will. boost the economy, nothing will. look i'm sure keir starmer is a decent enough guy with half a brain as well. his decision to scrap the insane idea of spending £28 billion annually on a so—called green revolution reflects the fact that they're getting serious about power. he's pushed back on free school meals, citing the potential cost. and it's hard to argue with his plan of half a million more children reaching early learning targets by 2030. but does he really mean any of it, given the fact that he does more u—turns than maureen from driving school ? have you ever driving school? have you ever met a keir starmer fan? even his own side don't like him with starmer out trending on twitter regularly and i'm also worried about starmer's political

judgement. this is a guy that campaigned for jeremy corbyn to become prime minister , which become prime minister, which would have been an economic and national security disaster. he campaigned to reverse brexit and he's completely out of touch with the british public with his inability to define what a woman is, even though he's married to one. another example of his extremely poor judgement is one. another example of his extremely poorjudgement is his extremely poor judgement is his headune extremely poor judgement is his headline grabbing plan to end the charitable status of private schools. clearly, red for meat those on the left of his party to keep them happy. firstly it's unethical and illogical to tax any academic institution , those any academic institution, those which seek to educate people, especially ones that do it well. how is that in the national interest? but it's also counterproductive given the fact that poorer kids will have to leave the private sector. that means the state will pick up the bill for their education mission with pressure on school places. already more schools would be needed to be built. more

teachers, more costs, negating any income from this policy. it's cultural vandalism . it's it's cultural vandalism. it's spiteful, and it makes no sense . it's pure politics. it's pure starmer shame on sir keir for making young people a political football. the only exciting part of today's speech was when starmer was interrupted by eco campaigners. take a listen . campaigners. take a listen. >> places barriers is not just not just economic barriers . not just economic barriers. >> reinstate your pledge for 28 billion per year. >> i gave on the mission on green power. we did that last one. we've done that one. will you just which side are the labor party on? we are on the side of economic growth. will you just let me please get on with this? thank you very much . with this? thank you very much. >> stop making phones here. thank you . i think they may have thank you. i think they may have missed the fact that the last mission i launched was on clean power by 2030 . power by 2030. >> starmer they're almost lost

for words . a rare blessing for for words. a rare blessing for us all. i thought the tone of their protests was interesting . their protests was interesting. the green lobby feel they own this guy, so expect many more campaigns of this nature should starmer enter number 10? labour have taken over £1.5 million in donations from top businessmen dale vince, who backs just top oil. did this influence starmers decision to scrap new oil and gas licences in the north sea ? gas licences in the north sea? you tell me . owned by the unions you tell me. owned by the unions , owned by the corbynites and owned by green fanatics from day one, starmer will be in office but not in power and starmer's plans for education won't work. he hasn't done his homework and his sums don't add up with his talk of his exciting five missions. he thinks he's tom cruise, but he's more tom foolery. five years of starmer will be mission impossible . will be mission impossible. reacting to my big opinion, my superstar panel tonight , daily

superstar panel tonight, daily telegraph columnist allison pearson, conservative peer in waiting shaun bailey and author and broadcaster amy nicole turner. to amy, you, a shocking display from starmer today. i just i can't i can't see how we can see the world so very differently. >> mark, i think this was actually a visionary speech. i think this was inspiring . this think this was inspiring. this is exactly what we want to hear for. i think it was a little bit tony blair focussed on investing in education, but then again , he in education, but then again, he did pull millions of children out of poverty. so i think this is a really good late move for labour and i think it's going to win a lot of votes. >> it's not going to be his education policy, is it? it's the education policy of the teaching unions. these are the teaching unions. these are the teaching unions. these are the teaching unions who disgracefully damaged children by closing during the by closing schools during the pandemic. and now what they want to do is get rid of testing because they hate accountable to do is get rid of testing becaiand:hey hate accountable to do is get rid of testing becaiand:hey iwant|ccountable to do is get rid of testing becaiand:hey iwant|cc(haveble ality and they want to have creative subjects. so that means

media studies, degrees and drama and pottery. >> that's not exactly accurate reading. think that there are reading. i think that there are too many exams. i think what they've done with i think there can't be enough exams. the well, i'd like children tested every day if i could i don't think because i was a lazy so—and—so in school and it was really happy when at school. happy when i was at school. >> i was a lazy so—and—so and it was the fear of a test that was only the fear of a test that made study. i think you're made me study. i think you're talking anecdotally. >> and i think if we want >> there and i think if we want economic growth, which we're all such big fans of, we need to invest in education first and get rid of testing , not get rid get rid of testing, not get rid of testing, but make it a productive environment for children in the best way that we can, like coursework. and what we've what we've seen we've seen what we've seen recently from the ofcom scandals is that actually over testing is detrimental to schools, to children and surely all we want is social mobility to be able to have a bit of economic growth. >> so i got quite triggered . >> so i got quite triggered. when you said ofcom, i think you meant you meant ofsted , i'm

meant you meant ofsted, i'm sorry, slightly different organisation ofsted we know they tend to come up in conversation here at gb news. sean your your thoughts about what keir starmer has had to say. i mean he's talking about getting year talking about getting five year olds academic standards. olds higher academic standards. that be bad, it? that can't be bad, can it? >> let's look at the good and the the good thing is he's the bad. the good thing is he's focussed on education. he's talking which talking about oratory, which is it's the it's important, but the questions want is how questions i want to ask is how much more work can we ask teachers do? school teachers to do? because school standards in the last 10 to 15 years actually risen quite years have actually risen quite significantly, that been significantly, but that has been an very hard an expense of some very hard working teachers . and secondly, an expense of some very hard workare teachers . and secondly, an expense of some very hard workare we chers . and secondly, an expense of some very hard workare we going and secondly, an expense of some very hard workare we going to 1d secondly, an expense of some very hard workare we going to be secondly, an expense of some very hard workare we going to be speaking who are we going to be speaking like? my worry is this won't just be about how to speak, it'll be what to speak, what to say, what to think. that would be and let's be clear be my worry. and let's be clear schools now and schools for many years now and many outside charities well many outside charities as well have great oratory have done lots of great oratory in the jack petchey fund in school. the jack petchey fund does this thing around debating and stuff, which exactly and stuff, which is exactly what i keir starmer is talking i think keir starmer is talking about, but it's already happening. just needs to happening. he just needs to expand but thing expand that. but the key thing is this left always talk is this the left always talk

about education as this big social engine. it is not the thing that no , the thing that thing that no, the thing that makes the biggest difference to a educational a child's educational performance is their home environment. so if he actually wants children to do at wants children to do better at school, he needs to concentrate on they're doing at home. school, he needs to concentrate on of ey're doing at home. school, he needs to concentrate on of thee doing at home. school, he needs to concentrate on of the sort ng at home. school, he needs to concentrate on of the sort of at home. school, he needs to concentrate on of the sort of headline >> one of the sort of headline policies from starmer is to actually charitable status of private which i think private schools, which i think is spiteful. and i think it's a self destructive move. allison pearson yeah, because our private schools are sort of jewels the crown. jewels in the crown. >> i mean, come from >> i mean, people come from abroad to our private abroad to go to our private schools. one our schools. they're one of our great export it is great export really. and it is nuts, as you said, mark your nuts, as you said, mark in your introduction, because lots of kids, if they put vat on private school fees, of the more school fees, lots of the more modest families , believe modest income families, believe it or not, not everyone who sends their child to a private school stinking people school is stinking rich. people forgo people stick forgo holidays. people stick with a very old car to be able because they care about the education of their children. and lots will lots of those kids will be turning in schools, as turning up in state schools, as you said. >> and you at a cost of up to >> and do you at a cost of up to £10,000 a year, the government may have to build schools.

may have to build new schools. >> cost billions. >> this could cost billions. >> this could cost billions. >> a lot of people educate >> but a lot of people educate their children privately because they're or satisfied they're not happy or satisfied with system. and we with the state system. and if we invested state system, invested in the state system, maybe schools wouldn't maybe private schools wouldn't feel necessary to the parents feel as necessary to the parents that you're talking about, feel as necessary to the parents that you're talking about , then that you're talking about, then they're things, they're two separate things, pointed . pointed out. >> think they go hand in >> no, i think they go hand in hand. don't like the tests and the standard is that this is why people out the state people bail out of the state system is because they want to go somewhere where rigour and spelling on by the way, spelling and so on by the way, mark, i don't share your your sort cynicism about the sort of cynicism about the teaching children to speak well, present themselves . well, we present themselves. well, we lived in america and my children were little. and in america they basically don't do numeracy and literacy until the are literacy until the kids are about 7 or 8. they teach them to shake the hand of the principal. look me the eye. good look me in the eye. good morning, dolan. and and those morning, mr dolan. and and those kids. why whenever kids. that's why whenever there's disaster america there's a disaster in america and you the local fire and you go to the local fire chief he comes on and he's chief and he comes on and he's like jean a film like jean hackman in a film that's because they've done proper speaking . and it's proper speaking. and it's perfectly true that a lot of

working class children don't have that opportunity to learn to speak and present themselves well. and why are we all here on telly? because we can speak and we can express opinions. now we can express our opinions. now a of children from poorer a lot of children from poorer backgrounds don't get that. i also disagree sean because also disagree with sean because you can't manufacture . i came you can't manufacture. i came from a bookless household. i was entirely dependent on my teachers in school, on the school for learning. so school library for learning. so i think you can't manufacture a better home. >> it's a balance. schools to be good. it's a balance. nobody's saying that we shouldn't do. we shouldn't people to speak. shouldn't teach people to speak. we should. that ability to communicate. oh, communicate. people say, oh, it's is it's important. school is massively important. but for years we've concentrated on school and neglected people's home environment. >> if you speak, we have not if you speak to teachers, they will tell you the big mountain they have to climb is a child's home environment. >> if you come from a house that respects education, tries to support education, things work out much better in school. >> yes, teachers shouldn't be chefs. they shouldn't be social workers be changing

workers shouldn't be changing nappies shrinks and nappies, doctors and shrinks and all of it. they should all the rest of it. they should probably be paid properly. amy, briefly, then what the briefly, then what about the unions? inflation busting wage demands? how is that going to be paid for? >> think could probably >> i think you could probably start discussing it start by actually discussing it with the unions rather than just avoiding it, which is what's led to actual strike days. you to the actual strike days. you start bargaining and looking at why they have the pay demands and i think the pay demands, they just want to be paid what they just want to be paid what they in 2000. they were in 2000. >> could you live with >> and could you live with higher inflation and more national debt future national debt for future generations their generations to fulfil their demands? is that demands? is that is that acceptable? that is that ethical? >> wu ethical? >> i think you see >> why do i think you see spending very differently? do you as it's inflationary, you see it as it's inflationary, isn't it? >> and it goes on the national debt. >> i see it quite differently. i see it as an investment. >> can it however you >> you can see it however you like. but the country is broke. we've got £2 trillion worth of national debt. thanks to lockdowns the left wanted lockdowns that the left wanted so enthused drastically. lockdowns that the left wanted so iwell,;ed drastically. lockdowns that the left wanted so well, you've stically. lockdowns that the left wanted so well, you've hadlly. lockdowns that the left wanted so well, you've had those now >> well, you've had those now the wrecked. where's the economy is wrecked. where's the economy is wrecked. where's the going to come from? the money going to come from? >> investing in things and creating individuals. and those

children for more children can go for more borrowed billions. well, don't have workforce. then >> challenge. challenge for starmer be does he starmer will be who does he pick? wins out of his pay pick? who wins out of his pay rises get one? rises and who doesn't get one? >> let me tell you that >> listen, let me tell you that millions would agree with amy nicole actually nicole turner that actually our teachers important teachers have the most important job they should job in society and they should be properly to it. so be paid properly to do it. so what do think? let me know. what do you think? let me know. dan gb news .com. allison pearson shaun bailey and amy nicole return in just nicole turner return in just a few minutes. coming up, top journalist of the journalist and friend of the queen, wyatt queen, petronella wyatt gives her on prince her unfiltered take on prince harry america over harry choosing america over britain. he went britain. that's right. he went to us. independence day celebrations his father's celebrations over his father's scottish coronation so does the sulking duke now see himself as american patron ? ella is live in american patron? ella is live in the studio and she's dropping some truth bombs. but next up in the clash, respected sunday telegraph editor alastair heath reckons 13 years of tory rule has lurched britain radically to the left. so are the tories now a left wing party? neil hamilton and edwina currie do battle on the conservative identity crisis . and let me know what you

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too. if it matters to you, we'll have it covered on tv , radio and have it covered on tv, radio and . online mark dolan in for dan wootton this week and next. >> lovely to have your company royal insider and friend of the queens, petronella wyatt coming up. but it's time now for the

clash which . the sunday clash which. the sunday telegraph's editor, alastair heath, has written in a column , heath, has written in a column, 13 years of tory failure have shifted britain radically to the left. he added the tories, under five prime ministers since 2010, have failed to make britain more conservative. on almost every metric we've become more socialist woke and collectivist, just last week we saw the formation of the new conservatives. the latest backbench insurgent group who are demanding the government starts to take seriously its pledge to drastically cut immigration. pledge to drastically cut immigration . and that's before immigration. and that's before you get to lowering taxes and the so—called culture wars. and last month, fed up figures on the right fought for the soul of the right fought for the soul of the party as they gathered for two major conferences. but are they fighting a losing battle? indeed are the tories now just a left wing party? let me know your thoughts, dan, at gb news .com or tweet us at gb news and

it's also subject to our text poll today. we'll get you the results of that very shortly. but to debate this, i'm delighted to welcome two former legends of the conservative movement, the leader of ukip and ex tory mp neil hamilton, and former conservative government minister and best selling author edwina currie . neil hamilton are edwina currie. neil hamilton are the tories is now a left wing party? >> yes, of course they are. and what can we point to? in the last 13 years, 13 years of conservative government , which conservative government, which is recognisably conservative give we immigration is completely out of control. forget about the small boats coming across the channel. net migration , which was legal last migration, which was legal last yean migration, which was legal last year, was over 600,000 and we've added 4 million to our population through immigration alone . under this conservative alone. under this conservative government , we've doubled the government, we've doubled the national debt. we've got the highest tax burden since the attlee government immediately after the war. inflation is at a 40 year high. last year. after the war. inflation is at a 40 year high. last year . this 40 year high. last year. this year alone, they've raised business taxes by a third

corporation. tax went up from 18% to 25. eco lunacy is running rampant through the country. energy prices are at least a quarter more than they need to be because of green taxes , which be because of green taxes, which is supposed to save the planet. but all do is actually cost but all they do is actually cost the earth. could on and the earth. you could go on and on and on. what of the conservative party done to take on the woke onslaught upon our bafic on the woke onslaught upon our basic freedoms in this country? almost nothing. they've done nothing to deliver on brexit. the huge corpus of legislation which we opposed as ministers. and i was a member, as edwina was, of the council of ministers in brussels for several years. we opposed lots of details in european union measures. nothing has been done to row back on those measures that were imposed upon us against our will, you know, on so many measures, this conservatives utterly failed to live up to its name as a conservative party. >> edwina currie chinese style lockdowns, the highest taxes since the second world war, a

woke takeover of our institutions, an and the maniacal pursuit of net zero doesn't sound very conservative to me . to me. >> well, i don't know about that because i remember paying over 40% as a basic rate of tax when margaret thatcher got elected and was able to start reducing it. so if you're talking about higher rates of tax and tax, taxable income coming in, it's partly because we have a much, much bigger economy and we need to do something to reduce that national debt, or at least get it under control. you can't have it under control. you can't have it both ways. now, there are lots of things that i want to change, and one of them is to change, and one of them is to change the mindset of the nation at large , which has got a bit to at large, which has got a bit to use to the government doing everything . you've heard me say everything. you've heard me say this before, governments can't do in fact, do everything. in fact, governments don't do most things at all well, but this government has been learning and it's been learning quite fast. so, for example, the price cap that

we've seen on energy has just dropped by about a third. that's good. dropped by about a third. that's good . i think we'll get to a good. i think we'll get to a stage when we don't need that at all. has refused to start all. it has refused to start helping mortgage holders , basing helping mortgage holders, basing the idea, i think quite rightly, on the notion that actually if we're going to get inflation down, we have to, all of us try and change our behaviour and stop buying high priced things and being more canny with our money. it has refused to hand anything over to the strikers and that's been very good indeed because the strikes that have already been settled have been settled at about a half to two thirds of inflation, which in itself will come down. and i don't know if neil has noticed, but as a result, at the international view of our economy has steadily got more optimistic. we are seeing a certain amount of growth. the pound has risen since september last year from $1 and i think it was $1.03 or something like that , up was $1.03 or something like that , up to about $1.27. so our

money is buying an awful lot more. there's a lot more to do and a lot more to go ahead. people during covid got used to turning to the government for all advice , all instruction and all advice, all instruction and lost their sense of responsibility that think has to come back. and the quicker the government encourages that, the better . better. >> briefly, edwina, if you can. >> briefly, edwina, if you can. >> the issue is these insurgent parties. so you've got reform uk, you've got ukip increasingly popular. richard tice , neil popular. richard tice, neil hamilton, a threat to the tories at the next election . and why at the next election. and why are they there? because this conservative government is not representing viewers and listeners to this programme who consider themselves proper traditional conservatives. those people feel politically homeless andifs people feel politically homeless and it's the fault of the last several tory leaders . several tory leaders. >> well, with all due respect to them, if they want a labour government , perhaps they are government, perhaps they are going the right way towards it

and i personally do not want a labour government. i know that the way our political system works, which we've had for many centuries , is to squeeze out the centuries, is to squeeze out the small parties. they are wasting their time. perhaps they're just natural contrarians. i mean , the natural contrarians. i mean, the fact there's so many little fringe parties tells you they're not very good at agreeing with anybody, are they ? they're all anybody, are they? they're all basically members of a party of one. that's certainly been true since neil hamilton left the tory party a very, very long time ago. now, look, we have to work together. the big parties, the conservative party is a very broad umbrella , okay? and people broad umbrella, okay? and people are very, very welcome and we'd like to see them back. we want to see them working to make sure we don't get the socially in power. >> neil hamilton we've got a slight technical issue which is that your face is out of focus. >> the lampshade behind you is in focus, but what you say in focus, but it's what you say that really matters anyway. and thank you for joining us. i think abroad at the think you're abroad at the moment. lovely have you moment. it's lovely to have you on and edwina, of on the programme and edwina, of course i am today by my looks.

well, there you go. that's exactly right. listen, exactly right. now, listen, neil, again, you can, neil, briefly again, if you can, the against us, but the clocks are against us, but what you make edwina's what do you make of edwina's rather sniffy comments about smaller parties like ukip and reform uk ? reform uk? >> well, you know, there's no point in arguing that . i mean, point in arguing that. i mean, what we're talking about here is whether the conservative party is truly a conservative party and worth voting for and what is going to be the difference between starmer government and between a starmer government and the government. the conservative government. we've got, i said, we've currently got, as i said, the that i put out at the indictment that i put out at the indictment that i put out at the of this segment today the start of this segment today was, you know, we've got immigration completely out of control. got taxes at a 60 control. we've got taxes at a 60 year high, inflation, a 40 year high business taxes have gone up by a third. this year alone. and these are not conservative policies. we've got green lunacy running rampant. policies. we've got green lunacy running rampant . you know, we've running rampant. you know, we've effectively destroyed our energy independence because of high taxes, windfall taxes on oil companies in developments in the nonh companies in developments in the north sea and reliance upon

intermittent sources like wind and solar. whilst we've closed down our coal industry, energy pnces down our coal industry, energy prices have gone through the roof. so all our high energy intensive industries have been sent overseas and we're importing these products like steel, glass , aluminium and so steel, glass, aluminium and so on from china, india and elsewhere. you know, this is the result of 13 years of a so—called conservative government. keep on voting for these policies. these are the policies you're going to get. so if you can't get them from a conservative government, don't vote for it. >> okay. listen, you're a gentleman, neil. i'm a gentleman. edwina, you get the last word . last word. >> an old neanderthal, >> he's an old neanderthal, isn't he? he's not going to win any votes, and he knows it . any votes, and he knows it. >> what an outrageous thing to say, edwina , great to have you say, edwina, great to have you on the program. we'll catch up soon. former conservative government selling soon. former conservative govern edwina selling soon. former conservative govern edwina and ing soon. former conservative govern edwina and the author edwina currie and the leader and his lampshade leader of ukip and his lampshade live menorca, neil, i do live from menorca, neil, i do hope that christine hasn't finished all the sangria. thanks for joining us from your holiday villa. brilliant stuff. oh, to

be a fly on the wall in that hotel . well, who do you agree hotel. well, who do you agree with are the tories now a left wing party? sean on twitter says, yes. the tories are so left wing, they're into the green agenda. paul on twitter says, think they're says, no. i just think they're now more centre right as opposed to right wing. they've definitely the definitely shifted closer to the centre though gas says i don't centre though. gas says i don't know how to answer this . they're know how to answer this. they're a bit of a nothing party these days. unfortunately though so are labour, so we're screwed either way. and your verdict is in. are the tories now a left wing party? 75% say yes, they are , and 25% say no. they are are, and 25% say no. they are not. coming up after a trans prisoner has their sentencing delayed over confusion about whether to send them to a male or female prison. tough talking former tory minister ann widdecombe gives her take on whether rishi sunak needs to introduce swift legislation to stop such madness ever happening again. but next, the queen's friend petronella wyatt weighs in on treacherous prince harry, choosing to celebrate us

independence day over his father's scottish coronation when she'll also get stuck into the duke's woke pal, president joe biden. as we ask , does the joe biden. as we ask, does the pensioner in chief hate great britain? i think you know the answer. see you .

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>> now, prince harry boldly underlined his retirement from the royal family this week, skipping his father's scottish coronation to celebrate the 4th of july in montecito . it seems of july in montecito. it seems he's even forgotten he's british. the disgraced, disgraced duke was snapped hours before his father's big day , before his father's big day, taking his daughter, lilibet, to a us independence day parade in california. harry's latest snub comes as no surprise after he only paid lip service to the king's official coronation earlier this year. but is this the surest sign yet that harry now sees himself as an american? is he a traitor to debate this , is he a traitor to debate this, i'm delighted to welcome royal insider petronella wyatt. it's another sad story, isn't it? well all i have to say, mark, he's had no success as an englishman, so he's having a go as an america an but it is very, very telling because he has no intention of ever coming back

here and he has burnt all his bndges. bridges. >> and he's got an american wife , children who are american citizens whose will be brought up as americans. i mean, i think he's now trying to personify the sort of american dream team and sort of american dream team and sort of american dream team and sort of cut it as kind of humble guy as opposed to this , you guy as opposed to this, you know, brit, in royal exile, which hasn't worked that well. it isn't working anymore. i mean, this may well be a new tactic for him . tactic for him. >> yes. i mean, he's bet the house on being popular in america, but hollywood is so cutthroat . he's a brave man, cutthroat. he's a brave man, isn't he ? isn't he? >> brave is a kind word i would have said. >> foolhardy. i mean, the thing is, if you've been in that royal hothouse for 30 odd years , is hothouse for 30 odd years, is the real world, even if it's the kindest of real world worlds like gb news, ulez is going to

be tough, but to think you can then go to hollywood and make it there when they're going to cut your throat and give you $5 and they really don't give a about titles. americans don't care about that thing anymore. a few of them know in hollywood is all about the next project, isn't it? >> so movie stars like tom cruise. yes he's rich. yes, he's famous. but it's all about the next it's all about next movie and it's all about it's about now. it's all about now. >> it's. >> it's. >> and you know, what's next for harry? mean, told his harry? i mean, he's told his life we've had the life story. we've had the netflix series, we've had the life story. we've had the netfli we've s, we've had the life story. we've had the netfliwe've had a've had the life story. we've had the netfliwe've had the had the life story. we've had the netfliwe've had the podcast. book, we've had the podcast. >> but are two more books >> but there are two more books to he's contracted to come. he's contracted to write more. going to write two more. what's going to be in them? well, i have no idea. >> drawings, i don't know. but. but the thing that he's going but the thing is that he's going to get the shock of his life if this happens, because because his are pretty his publishers are pretty ruthless, too. >> he produces proposals >> and if he produces proposals they like, have to they don't like, he'll have to give money. give back the money. >> sounds pretty brutal. >> it'll be a massive sum. >> it'll be a massive sum. >> is he happy? >> is he happy? >> it's very difficult to say. >> it's very difficult to say. >> body language, the mood music. he's trying so hard to

look happy. >> bit an actor on a >> he's a bit like an actor on a stage pretending to be a happy person or a drunk . person or a drunk. >> it isn't quite right. it's a bit exaggerated . and isn't it? bit exaggerated. and isn't it? >> you said he'll never come back to this country again. however if things were not to work out with meghan, and of course we hope they stay together. they've kids and together. they've got kids and all of it. don't all the rest of it. we don't want to break up the royal marriage. >> we don't want to make three people unhappy. i mean, if they broke there'd be at least broke up, there'd be at least two people who'd be made two other people who'd be made unhappy. the people then hook up with this , a tragic sort of with this, a tragic sort of domino effect. >> things were to not >> but but if things were to not work between harry work out between harry and meghan burrell, who meghan and paul burrell, who knows harry better than most, he said, that marriage ten said, i give that marriage ten years already several years and there already several years and there already several years so could just years into it. so it could just be a of time before, be a matter of time before, before they were to move on from each wouldn't meghan each other. and wouldn't meghan be fall guy? couldn't be a natural fall guy? couldn't he come back to the uk going it was her fault ? was all her fault? >> he could. but remember what would happen to the children

because there the american custody laws and also the relation between him and william are so atrocious , let's say. and are so atrocious, let's say. and ihope are so atrocious, let's say. and i hope this won't happen, but let's say in ten years time, william was king or in 15 years, icannot william was king or in 15 years, i cannot see harry coming back to britain when his brother is king. >> well, yes, if you're going to pick a fight with anyone, don't make it the next monarch, the next king of the united kingdom. can we talk about america? we've talked about hollywood and california the sussexes . we california and the sussexes. we understand that joe biden has overruled ben wallace as nato chief. is this proof that biden hates britain? well i've always thought biden hated britain and he's been very eloquent about it or not very eloquent because he isn't eloquent. >> but i think he hates us more than any president since madison . and that was in 1812, when madison declared war on us. so it's pretty bad. i mean, a

special relationship used to be a legend and now it's a myth. frankly now i think he's so partisan. i mean, going back to nato appointment, it's quite shocking because we're one of the few countries that actually keep up our military commitments . and he this is such a huge slap in the face. >> and we stepped up in relation to ukraine. >> we were pivotal. >> we were pivotal. >> wallis showed amazingly, we were pivotal and also , in a way, were pivotal and also, in a way, it's our turn . it's our turn. >> this is not the way an ally behaves, frankly, no. >> and the alternative now is ursula von der leyen, who is the eu commission chief, who threatened to erect a hard border between the republic of ireland and northern ireland over vaccines. what does that woman know about peace? >> but she's also a failed german defence minister. she couldn't even raise enough money to provide guns for the german army. yeah i mean, it's dismal. >> well, she's run by biden is a shocker . shocker. >> yeah. yeah. absolute shocker i >> -- >> so you're right.

>> so you're right. >> hard to disagree. petronella dropping truth bombs as ever. a broadcaster and writer petronella wyatt, do you come and see us again soon? coming up, just stop. oil have disrupted the cricket, rugby and now wimbledon and today, ridiculously, they warned people that boil in their that they would boil in their own sweat as a result of climate change. is that possible ? change. how is that possible? but as their persistent campaign rumbles on, will the eco terrorists prove to be on the right side of history? my superstar gets stuck superstar panel gets stuck into that debate shortly, but that big debate shortly, but next, a trans prisoner sentencing is delayed over confusion about whether to send the biological male to a men's or women's prison. what a time to be alive . so does rishi sunak to be alive. so does rishi sunak need to take drastic action to change the law and stop this madness from ever happening again? former tory minister ann widdecombe is riled and ready on this in mere moments .

who is professor matthew goodwin 7 who is professor matthew goodwin ? well, he's the rock star academic that's launching an anti woke movement. he's released a video. it's broken the internet. millions agree with his wise words. he's on the show. later, find out about his remarkable project, which, by the way , the elite absolutely the way, the elite absolutely hate , which is why he must hate, which is why he must prevail . all but it's time now prevail. all but it's time now for big, witty style with former conservative government minister, prisons minister, no less, ann widdecombe , and a less, ann widdecombe, and a transgender has been spared a jail sentence after a delay caused by their gender. 66 year old former prison worker tanya howells was caught with hundreds of indecent images of children , of indecent images of children, including almost 40 in the most serious category, a which guidelines suggest should carry a custodial sentence of between six months and three years. but after a lengthy delay in sentencing caused by confusion over whether howells should be

sent to a male or female prison , they'll now be sent to no prison at all, with the judge issuing a suspended sentence instead . and these offences instead. and these offences would normally attract immediate custody. magistrate ian taylor told the sex offender on tuesday. however, because of the time lag and because probation feel that they can rehabilitate you, it's going to be an unusual sentence because we're going to suspend it . and you are a former suspend it. and you are a former prisons minister yourself with another example of transgender criminals benefiting from our woke system. does rishi sunak need to tighten the rules . need to tighten the rules. >> well, certainly in this case, i think suella braverman needs to tighten the rules . now, it's to tighten the rules. now, it's perfectly possible to have special units. we have them for disabled prisoners there used to be a time when kingston prison not now, but it was devoted to older prisoners. you can always create special units. now that we're getting this problem, increasingly it seems to me that

that's what you do. now as far as i'm concerned, a man who has still got male genitalia is still got male genitalia is still a man and shouldn't be anywhere near a women's prison. it's a you know, it's quite wrong from the women's point of view that he should be there. but if he is going to be given a hard time in a male prison because he is effectively half woman, because although he hasn't changed everything, that is how he's identifying, then okay, special unit is the answer to that. now, what the answer is not is for somebody who's had category a images and let's be very clear about this market. it's not just a question of looking at child that has got to be created. and it's been created using a child . and there created using a child. and there are enormous numbers of children who are abused for the pleasure of . and they should never be a of. and they should never be a case where a category a offence is met with a suspended sentence . now, i understand, you know , . now, i understand, you know, all the problems that the magistrates had. i mean, what were they supposed to do? but

nevertheless the answer is a special unit a huge miscarriage special unit, a huge miscarriage of justice for the victims involved. >> an. >> an. >> well , yes, >> an. >> well, yes, as i say, you >> an. >> well , yes, as i say, you know >> well, yes, as i say, you know , those children actually are hurt . i know a lot of people hurt. i know a lot of people think, well, if you're just looking at pictures, you know you aren't doing anything wrong, but you are, because those children had to give those pictures in the first place, had to things are to do the things that are necessary to create those pictures and videos . indeed. and pictures and videos. indeed. and videos. horrible things being done. videos. horrible things being done . and, you know, therefore , done. and, you know, therefore, for, as i say, a category a should not go unpunished , which should not go unpunished, which is effectively what has happened here. >> well, i know my viewers and listeners will be appalled by this story. you are a former home office minister. prisons was your brief. i think you took pride in the fact that you visited every prison in the country. you were proactive and widely admired in your role . widely admired in your role. well, what's your overview about the culture of britain's prisons in 2023? well i don't think it's

great. >> i think there's quite serious overcrowding and every time there's overcrowding, what happens is that you get a drop in. >> and. can i interrupt you ? and >> and. can i interrupt you? and is your phone ringing? >> and. can i interrupt you? and is your phone ringing ? is that is your phone ringing? is that richard tice ? richard tice? >> i'm terribly sorry. that's my cuckoo clock. i'm afraid . and cuckoo clock. i'm afraid. and wasn't quite expecting to be going on this long. that's my cuckoo clock . cuckoo clock. >> and i didn't think there was anything. >> don't worry. >> don't worry. >> i didn't think there was anything cuckoo about you. can i just say, why does your cuckoo clock go off at 953 ? clock go off at 953? >> probably because i haven't programmed it recently . programmed it recently. >> okay, well, listen, you make a lot of sense. the cuckoo doesn't. but. but. but you do . doesn't. but. but. but you do. but so and yes, we were just talking about, you know, how prisons have changed since since you ran them . you ran them. >> indeed. well, first of all, they're quite badly overcrowded. when prisons are overcrowded. what i was saying was that the first casualty is rehabilitation

because the staff are deployed onto security, onto managing the flows of prisoners and managing people who are going out to prison to and court and all the rest of it. so purposeful activity, which is to say education and training and workshops. they always decline whenever there is an overcrowding situation . and overcrowding situation. and frankly , it's no good just frankly, it's no good just opening up the gates, shoving prisoners in. and then after a couple of years, opening up the gates and calling them out . if gates and calling them out. if you haven't done anything with them in between times, they just go straight back to where they came from and carry on as before . and we rate is. >> it's interesting . i totally >> it's interesting. i totally agree with you. prisons should be constructive because we want to rebuild people. we want them to rebuild people. we want them to make a contribution to society. and as you all know , society. and as you all know, the excellent timpson chain of key cutters and shoe repairers employ ex—cons and they go on to have great careers and make a great contribution. so it's possible, isn't it? it's so but

and some people in prison are hugely talented and have great potential . potential. >> yes. sorry i lost you then , >> yes. sorry i lost you then, so i'm not quite sure what you said before or that you didn't miss much . some are not at all miss much. some are not at all talented, some can't even read and write. in fact, you know, as many as 75, sometimes haven't got normal standards of literacy . so they're not at all talented. but you can use that time in prison if they're if they're there for more than a few months, you can use that time to get them fully literate and fully numerate. >> you can use the phone and you are a person of deep political conviction and you are somebody of deep faith as well as somebody of faith, as a practising christian, how do you feel about this trans ideology? >> the idea that that a man is a woman, a woman is a man you can change your biological sex. can i just ask you from a spiritual point of view, what you think of this idea ? this idea? >> you know, i don't believe

that it's i certainly don't believe that you can become a man or a woman just by wishing it, you know, just by saying i am a man or i am it, you know, just by saying i amamanoriama it, you know, just by saying i am a man or i am a woman. there is a vanishingly small number of people who genuinely do suffer from dysphoria who from dysphoria and who go through painful and through very painful and prolonged procedures and i'm quite happy to recognise them as the sex that they have changed to. but god made man and he made woman. and it just seems to me in just pure biological terms, you know, women have completely different biological equipment from men and you can't therefore say that the one is the other. there's simply not and always a treat to have you on the show. >> we'll see you on sunday night for mark dolan tonight and former government minister, bestselling author and television personality owner of a very loud cuckoo clock and widdecombe brilliant stuff. well, look, folks, coming up , well, look, folks, coming up, he's the centre right academic who's broken the internet with a rallying cry to get britain fighting back against the woke

mind virus . this best selling mind virus. this best selling author, professor matthew goodwin, joins me live in the studio with his battle plan to get britain back booming. of course, the elites hate his book and they hate his plan , which is and they hate his plan, which is why he must prevail. but next, just stop. oil marked a new low today with an absurd prediction on gb news that people would boil in their own sweat because of so—called climate change. but after warning, they're going to target even more sporting events in coming weeks. are they on the right side of history? all that, plus tomorrow's newspaper front pages with our superstar panel . pages with our superstar panel. so folks , keep those emails so folks, keep those emails coming. it is dan at cbnnews.com . it's great to have your company, mark dolan in for the boss. dan wootton all weekend, by the way, friday, saturday, sunday and next week as well. great to have your company. you can also catch up on my monologue at news twitter monologue at gb news on twitter . a busy to come. don't go . a busy hour to come. don't go anywhere .

it's 10:00. this it's10:00. this is dan wootton. tonight with me, mark dolan this week and next. lovely to have your company. busy hour to come. they've been compared to the suffragettes and have disrupted the rugby, and the rugby, cricket and wimbledon. with absurd wimbledon. but with absurd warnings today from warnings like this today from just stop oil and when the temperature gets hot enough, for example , when it gets so hot example, when it gets so hot that the sweat no longer cools you down, you literally boil in your own sweat . your own sweat. >> a you boil in your own sweat. >> a you boil in your own sweat. >> are we right to mock the middle class eco terrorists or are they on the right side of history? that's the big debate coming up with my superstar panel tonight. alison pierson, shaun bailey and amy nicole turner . despite their juvenile turner. despite their juvenile antics, just stop. oil seem to be earning sympathy from

surprising quarters , as our hope surprising quarters, as our hope is that somewhere higher up will start to make a difference. >> mean holly willoughby. >> mean holly willoughby. >> ladies and gents, who last week took a 136 mile gas guzzling helicopter ride to glastonbury for a boozy weekend, fleet street legend kelvin mackenzie weighs in on that. plus a frankly shameful scene. footage of an attack on gb news female advertising chief by a bunch of foul mouthed male luvvies at a tv industry event . luvvies at a tv industry event. kelvin's uncancelled later . kelvin's uncancelled later. meanwhile, a centre right academic launches an impassioned bid for a new anti—woke community. >> i know how this new elite think and feel and what they believe , and i've become believe, and i've become convinced that millions of people out there think the same as me. they're utterly fed up with the status quo . you've got with the status quo. you've got to hear this guy. >> he is a genius. professor matthew goodwin outlines his battle plans to defeat the woke

mind virus. the elite hate him, which is why he must prevail. matthew goodwin live in the studio later this hour. don't miss it. and add a pioneering british businessman is up for a gongin british businessman is up for a gong in tonight's great britain. and also union jackass. can you guess who i'll reveal all before the show is out? plus, tomorrow's front page is the first at the start of a busy and lively hour. polly middlehurst . lively hour. polly middlehurst. >> apologies. we've got some breaking news and i've just got to cross it. so let me just stick my microphone on and bring this to you straight away. it's concerning events around concerning the events around buckingham in buckingham palace tonight in central remember central london. you may remember earlier on we brought the news that cordons were in place around buckingham palace after a man handcuffed himself to the main earlier on this main gates earlier on this evening, said the evening, scotland yard said the man began threatening harm man began threatening to harm himself as officers approached himself as officers approached him . obviously, they had to him. obviously, they had to clear people away from those

gates that you can see there if you're watching on television in the situation, we can report to you now from our editor, political editor, security edhon political editor, security editor, beg your pardon, mark white. he says the situation is still ongoing . king and officers still ongoing. king and officers have still been negotiating with the man, but it is reported in the man, but it is reported in the last half hour or so. he does he has harmed himself . he's does he has harmed himself. he's sustained a number of self—inflicted slash injuries, is the way that mark is putting it. police say they are still working to contain that situation and bring it to a safe end as quickly as possible . so end as quickly as possible. so that news just coming to us and catching me out a little bit at the beginning of that bulletin . the beginning of that bulletin. now to carry on with today's news, the sad news that the prime minister says his thoughts are with the family of an eight year girl who died today year old girl who died today after a land rover crashed into after a land rover crashed into a school in south—west a primary school in south—west london. police were called just before morning to the before 10:00 this morning to the study school in wimbledon. study prep school in wimbledon. 618 people, we understand, were

treated at the scene. ten were taken to hospital . and police taken to hospital. and police say the driver , a woman in her say the driver, a woman in her 40s, has been arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving . detective dangerous driving. detective chief superintendent claire kelland, her voice cracking with emotion as she spoke to reporters about the death of the child, says the incident isn't being treated as terror related officers, along with colleagues from other emergency services , from other emergency services, provided first aid to a number of people who had been injured . of people who had been injured. >> very sadly, one of the children, an eight year old girl, died at the scene . our girl, died at the scene. our thoughts are with her family at this incredibly difficult time . this incredibly difficult time. the driver of a car, a woman agedin the driver of a car, a woman aged in her 40s, stopped at the scene and has since been arrested for causing death by dangerous driving and remains in police custody . police custody. >> now the rmt union announced today a strike on the london underground . its members will underground. its members will stop work from the 23rd to the

28th of july. though services, we understand, running on the 24th. they're walking out in a continuing dispute over pensions and working conditions. continuing dispute over pensions and working conditions . the and working conditions. the government has said today it's going to work towards handing over material requested by the covid inquiry next week . that's covid inquiry next week. that's after the cabinet office lost its legal challenge over boris johnson's unredacted. what's app messages? lawyers for the government had argued the material would be irrelevant. however the high court has ruled the inquiry must be given full access and the government has launched a bid to take its rwanda deportation policy to the supreme court last week, the court of appeal overturning an earlier high court ruling which found rwanda could be considered a safe third country for asylum seekers . and that comes as the seekers. and that comes as the house of lords dealt a blow to the government rejecting its illegal migration bill. mps are now considering a series of amendments is now another bit of breaking news for you this evening concerning the new

onune evening concerning the new online conversation thread platform, which is built by the owners of facebook. it's called threads. it's received a cease and desist letter from twitter. less than 24 hours after it launched. according to media reports swirling around tonight, the new app by parent company meta features a conversation format which encourages users to post updates and join the public discourse. it looks to take on elon musk's twitter by taking advantage of instagram's billions of users to which it's unked. billions of users to which it's linked . it threads had more than linked. it threads had more than 30 million signups in the first day. that's the news you're up to date on tv online dab+ radio and the tunein app . this is gb and the tunein app. this is gb news britain's news . news britain's news. channel >> my thanks to polly will keep you updated on that palace story with news as and when it comes

in. tomorrow's news tonight in our media buzz. let's kick off with our very first look at the front pages . hot off the press , front pages. hot off the press, metro horror at the school, tea party, a devastating story. woman is arrested as girl eight killed in end of term tragedy. unimaginable story. a girl of eight has died after a 4x4 car slammed into pupils at an end of term. tea party on the lawn outside a school devastation is not the word . there are no not the word. there are no words. the independent run with that story as well. girl eight killed as car ploughs into prep school playground . woman in 40s school playground. woman in 40s arrested after land rover crashes into pupils. you can just only imagine what the families are going through at this at this time. families are going through at this at this time . shocking now this at this time. shocking now let's get to the big stories of the day with my superstar panel , daily telegraph columnist allison pearson, conservative peerin

allison pearson, conservative peer in waiting shaun bailey and author and broadcaster , freshly author and broadcaster, freshly married with a lovely , posh, married with a lovely, posh, long name, amy nicole turner. >> i can't get used to it. and earlier you addressed me and you asked me a question, but i thought you were just who she was. i was like, who's he talking to? that's right. so do apologise for that. slightly incoherent mr turner. >> turner would be very >> mr turner would be very worried. unwashed worried. now, the great unwashed seem determine to spoil britain's summer as just stop oil protesters twice disrupted play oil protesters twice disrupted play at wimbledon yesterday. other recent protests by the infuriating eco loons have also targeted the world snooker championship. the rugby premiership final and the ashes cricket series at lord's. and today their leading donor, dale vince , has promised to continue vince, has promised to continue spoiling high profile sports events, admitting it's all about how many headlines they can grab. vince just so happens to be the owner of league two football club forest green rovers. and i bet he'd change his tune pretty quickly if their matches were disrupted . just to matches were disrupted. just to

highlight the level of intelligence we're dealing with here, take a look at what? just stop . oil mouthpiece alex de stop. oil mouthpiece alex de koning had to say to bev turner and andrew pierce earlier today. >> we all want british people to live a good, healthy life. we don't want 1700 people dropping dead over two days. where do they get it from? why did the how did climate kill these people ? people? >> okay, there's a variety of >> okay, so there's a variety of different factors, right ? different factors, right? >> and in this case, it was because of the extreme heat. so people died from heat stroke. >> and when temperature gets >> and when the temperature gets hot enough, for example , um, hot enough, for example, um, when gets so hot that the when it gets so hot that the sweat no longer cools you down, you literally boil in your own sweat. >> i know that sounds like complete exaggeration. it does, actually . actually. >> when it gets i'm afraid it does. exaggeration con comedy gold. >> i've got to say . and by the >> i've got to say. and by the way, bevan, andrew back on monday. it is the very best mid—morning show you'll find on british tv. allison pearson are

the climate sceptics the real dinosaurs was and are just stop oil on the right side of history. very much not on the right side of history. >> i mean, i don't know if everyone's noticed that the weather forecast recently, they cannot for these cannot wait, can they, for these apocalyptic the hottest june even apocalyptic the hottest june ever. you know and you think, yeah, we had the wettest yeah, but we had the wettest march but they march for 40 years but they never they never mentioned that. yes. think think by the yes. no i think i think by the way, freezing at the moment. >> way, by the way. >> by the way, by the way. >> by the way, by the way. >> it's absolutely. yeah. so, you know but but the bbc weather map gets redder more orange map gets redder and more orange doesn't we used just have doesn't it. we used to just have little suns poking out now doesn't it. we used to just have little rgot poking out now doesn't it. we used to just have little rgot thising out now doesn't it. we used to just have little rgot this flashing now we've got this flashing apocalypse signs. no mark. apocalypse signs. but no mark. i definitely think you know, definitely think that, you know, absolutely on the wrong side of history . if we look across history. if we look across europe, most of the governments of now rowing back in of europe now are rowing back in a quite embarrassed way from these two targets. germany's been lobbying eu over not been lobbying the eu over not getting to electric cars . getting to electric cars. volkswagen has halved electric car production. even president macron is saying that the eu green regulations have to be reined in because they're

anti—competitive. and guess anti —competitive. and guess what? anti—competitive. and guess what? they're costing jobs. so everywhere we look now, we see people realising that net zero is unreachable , unaffordable. is unreachable, unaffordable. and our country, of course, has actually had a target enshrined in law 2050 complete, i.e. completely bonkers. and i'm very, very annoyed about it actually, because this country already been shooting itself in the foot with lockdown and now it's going to shoot itself in the head with net zero. so i you know, i think it also i think they're really not winning people spoil people over, not just spoil sports, but sports spoils, aren't they ? you know, they're, aren't they? you know, they're, you know, ruining people's fun. i think just people think they're ridiculous. they're absolutely ridiculous. i don't anyone looks them don't think anyone looks at them on court at wimbledon and on a on a court at wimbledon and thinks, ah, they're making a profound about the planet. profound point about the planet. you get off with you just think get them off with their ludicrous you their ludicrous orange, you know, don't they? can know, confert don't they? can i just say that amy was a great supporter of just oil until supporter of just stop oil until the weekend and quite fancied dale vince but when she got married the just stop oil protesters stopped her members of her wedding party getting to the wedding so now,

the wedding reception. so now, alison, now we've been inconvenienced ourselves . inconvenienced ourselves. >> those luxury beliefs can be quite expensive . quite expensive. >> luxury beliefs. >> luxury beliefs. >> i correct the record >> may i just correct the record there? i can't feel the things i felt for del vince because i'm a married woman now. yes, of course. and it is true that just stop oil did impact my wedding day because the piccadilly line was slightly delayed, but it didn't make me stop supporting their cause. it really didn't. and it won't . and i've actually and it won't. and i've actually met and spoke to alex, and i think alex has a completely valid point because alex knows his stuff . i think he studied his stuff. i think he studied spoiling our own studying a phd in climate science. he's definitely prince andrew's going to be the only survivor , isn't to be the only survivor, isn't he, of the heat wave . the thing he, of the heat wave. the thing is with the climate change will have a massive impact. it is having a massive impact and to deny that is to agree with 0.1 of science. >> i don't. i don't deny amy to agree with 99% of science. >> amy, i'm no climate change denier. >> i think temperatures are rising, although it's open to

debate, but that looks to be the direction of travel. however britain can't afford to bet the house on flaky renewables. >> hottest day. >> you care to address my point qatar answer my question. >> renewables . >> renewables. >> renewables. >> britain can't afford to bet the house on flaky renewables. germany, germany have had ten years of investment in renewables. they've spent hundreds of billions they've hundreds of billions and they've been vladimir putin's been reliant on vladimir putin's oil and gas. been reliant on vladimir putin's oil did gas. been reliant on vladimir putin's oil did you guess what? you just >> did you guess what? you just answered your own question then. so to answer it so do you want me to answer it or do you just want germany is a terrible case for terrible test case for renewables. think terrible renewables. i think a terrible test be not having test case would be not having energy security. renewables will test case would be not having eneryus security. renewables will test case would be not having eneryus energy. renewables will test case would be not having eneryus energy. no, |ewables will test case would be not having eneryus energy. no, theyles will test case would be not having eneryus energy. no, they will.rill give us energy. no, they will. >> worked for germany. >> no, no. ijust germany. >> no, no. i just think why are germany. why? >> okay. can i ask you a simple question? >> legally binding net zero, which was a concern lviv policy supported labour. so across supported by labour. so across the has popular appeal the board has popular appeal with everyone. acknowledged the board has popular appeal wit this aryone. acknowledged the board has popular appeal witthis channel acknowledged the board has popular appeal wit this channel i've cknowledged for this channel i've acknowledged we may have climate change and there's a healthy debate about to how debate to have about to how tackle it. >> but germany has spent ten years investing in these renewables they're about renewables and they're about to grant licences coal grant licences for new coal

mines on german soil to make more steel . more steel. >> we're not going we're not going to be weaning ourselves off fossil fuels until all the end of the century probably. that's the reality. but look, look , look, look. look, look, look. >> hold on. here's here's the thing. >> new licencing. here's his labour manifesto pledge . here's labour manifesto pledge. here's a radical idea. >> here's the thing. he actually is a radical idea because we'll stop an energy grid. but here's the thing. the first thing is just stop oil on wrong side just stop oil on the wrong side of his story is, is will of people. his story is, is will be written by whoever is on the wrong people, all people wrong side of people, all people to disrupt the goings of to disrupt the goings on of millions of people to make a point doesn't bring them on side. we many i believe that there's something going on with our climate. yes it's something we need to look at. but disrupting wimbledon or the cup final make me to final doesn't make me warm to supporting you. you love the chaos though. it simply chaos a bit, though. it simply doesn't. what to doesn't. and what they need to doesn't. and what they need to do is figure out they are stopping people from working. they stopping people they are stopping people from their leisure that their leisure time and that means people listen to means people won't listen to them. the other piece as them. and the other piece as

well, be realistic well, we need to be realistic about we're going get to about how we're going to get to this. golden land of this. no golden land of renewables. yes, we should use renewables, can't it renewables, but we can't do it tomorrow because the tomorrow morning because the cost will kill us long before tomorrow morning because the costclimatel us long before tomorrow morning because the costclimate change.) before tomorrow morning because the costclimate change. well, re tomorrow morning because the costclimate change. well, this the climate change. well, this they 20, 30, 20, 30. they are 20, 30, 20, 30, 20, 30. in the terms of a nation is tomorrow. that's why you see europe. you see germany, france, everybody rowing back on it because it's virtually impossible do that. what impossible to do that. what these people should be doing is thinking actually thinking how we're actually going not just going to do it, not just bullying us. and last thing bullying us. and the last thing i'll there's this idea that i'll say, there's this idea that they better the rest they know better than the rest of don't want to boil to of us. we don't want to boil to death freeze to death, but death or freeze to death, but they're preventing they're actually preventing us having conversation having a decent conversation because doing it in such because they're doing it in such an way. an extreme way. >> well, guy is talking >> well, this guy is talking about you boil to death in about how you boil to death in your own so these your own sweat. so these characters nothing about science. >> i think he's talking about the people died >> i think he's talking about the summer people died >> i think he's talking about the summer because died >> i think he's talking about the summer because of died >> i think he's talking about the summer because of the ied last summer because of the extreme heat, disputed figure, extreme heat, a disputed figure, this that was like this 40 degrees that was like for 10s at heathrow airport. i just died last summer. more people that will increase. people have that will increase. more have saved more people will have been saved because of energy, because of coal people have been kept

>> more people have been kept alive than been ever been alive than have been ever been killed by heat. so people are no longer killed by coal in that case. >> amy, if you think that we should have renewables are you happy to have less spending on schools and less spending on the nhs? spending on policing? nhs? less spending on policing? do want higher taxes? do you want higher taxes? >> you are dealing >> how you are dealing completely with how are you going pay for this short going to pay for this short termism? i always strikes me termism? and i always strikes me how are obsessed with how you are obsessed with getting me to cost things and yes, i am, because the reality is it does have a cost. >> look, nobody's saying we don't want renewables . nobody, don't want renewables. nobody, nobody, nobody's nobody's saying . nobody's saying we don't we don't want to things right don't want to get things right to fuel. but the to the fossil fuel. but the point is that's a pretty big. but they're asking for billions in green fuel. so in subsidies for green fuel. so but the money has to come from somewhere. and when you take it from somebody, be somebody suffers. this case, hundreds suffers. in this case, hundreds of thousands of people work of thousands of people who work in the industry. so they are not going to give us, you know, you want to keep using your laptop, you're not going to using you're not going to be using able to use your laptop if

you're on solar and wind power. >> this is the fact. this is the bafic >> this is the fact. this is the basic fact there is no storage invented yet to store the energy , which is exactly a good argument for the green levies so that we can invest in research , that we can invest in research, invest in technology that doesn't exist yet. >> an argument for nuclear power. you don't jump out of an aeroplane technology, you have no money to invest in. >> last word. last word. >> amy, last word. last word. can why should we make can you words why should we make ourselves poorer ? it's not to ourselves poorer? it's not to save the planet. whilst china whilst china burn fossil fuels for fun. what is the point in this so—called leadership whilst we are shivering our homes , we are shivering our homes, encouraging the planet to start smoking like it's not really good for your health in the long term? >> if you give up smoking then you're going to be healthier. yeah. okay. >> brilliant stuff. look, there you go. it's. it's all about opinions. this show we love amy, nicole and nicole turner, shaun bailey and allison nicole turner, shaun bailey and allilon nicole turner, shaun bailey and allii can't get because they are >> i can't get because they are the dream team tonight. >> and what we love about the show people don't agree. show is that people don't agree. and agree and don't

and i'm sure you agree and don't agree based upon who you've been listening let me know listening to. so let me know your thoughts. it is dan gb news .com. london .com. coming up, a london theatre its theatre finally held its controversial black only production last night away from what organisers called the white gaze. >> how are black people treated unfairly in theatre? can you give some examples? >> oh, i'm not here to go into that now because this is a very casual outside casual interview outside of another event. so is this kind of policy progressive or racist? >> my superstar panel gets stuck into that in the media buzz shortly. and next, he's the centre right academic who's broken internet with a broken the internet with a rallying britain rallying cry to get britain fighting back against the madness of wokeism bestselling author professor matthew goodwin joins me live in the studio with his battle plan in just a few moments. you won't want to miss his incredible ideas .

doing a 2024 calendar for michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company right through until 7:00 this evening. >> the people's . channel >> welcome back to the show, mark dolan in for dan wootton this week. and next, mark dolan tonight returns tomorrow as well with all of your favourite elements. the big opinion and my take ten. kelvin mackenzie take at ten. kelvin mackenzie joins me shortly to let rip at the male tv thugs who targeted gb news female advertising chief with a flurry of vulgar abuse. but first, he's the academic who's taken the internet by storm with this analysis of woke britain , a revolution is britain, a revolution is sweeping through britain. >> what do i mean by that? i'm talking about mass uncontrolled

immigration. i'm talking about the fact that we can't even control our own borders . i'm control our own borders. i'm talking about a stifling political correctness . that political correctness. that sensational clip from bestselling author and professor matt goodwin has already been watched by a staggering 2.5 million people. >> and the number keeps rising. it's fair to say that it's breaking the internet. the prof reckons a revolution is coming and millions of people have had enough of the country being dragged into the gutter . well, dragged into the gutter. well, he's with me now live in the studio. matthew goodwin, great to evening. you to have you. good evening. you dropped video a couple of dropped this video a couple of days ago. you were hoping for some reaction, perhaps some kind of reaction, perhaps not it not this big. why has it resonated with so many people? >> i think i think, as i say in the video, i think millions of people looking at britain the video, i think millions of pe0|feeling.ooking at britain the video, i think millions of pe0|feeling asking at britain the video, i think millions of pe0|feeling as though britain the video, i think millions of pe0|feeling as though we'rel the video, i think millions of pe0|feeling as though we're not and feeling as though we're not just through political just going through political change. we're grip of change. we're in the grip of a profound cultural revolution , profound cultural revolution, which is not only about the woke takeover of institutions , but is takeover of institutions, but is about mass migration not

controlling our borders. what's happening in schools, the fact we're exposing children to dangerous and radical ideas that have no basis in science. and many people are looking at left and right and just thinking , and right and just thinking, firstly, nobody's really talking about this. and secondly, nobody really has an answer to this. and think what i tried to do and i think what i tried to do and what i'm to do and what i'm trying to do through so on, through social media and so on, is give people out there a sense through social media and so on, is gi actuallye out there a sense through social media and so on, is gi actually somebody a sense through social media and so on, is gi actually somebody a sethe that actually somebody is in the pubuc that actually somebody is in the public square those public square giving those people voice bit like you're people a voice a bit like you're doing with show and your doing with your show and your work mark yeah, and work as well. mark yeah, and it's interesting, isn't it, because you look at some of because if you look at some of the things that you mentioned in that video, first all, what's that video, first of all, what's being taught in schools? >> gender >> so you've got gender ideology. i think most people would be very, very accepting of someone to change someone that chooses to change their name, identify by a different gender as an adult. but school, gender ideology , but at school, gender ideology, which can change your which says you can change your biological sex, is very contested, but it's being taught as fact schools , as you say, as fact in schools, as you say, not rooted science or not rooted in science or controversial critical race theory , which effectively says theory, which effectively says that you are racist based upon

the colour of your skin . again, the colour of your skin. again, contentious. debate it. contentious. let's debate it. but it's being taught as fact. it's not contentious. >> it's a conspiracy theory. i would argue it's not based on science, basic knowledge. it's not based on evidence. so what we're and is why i've we're doing and this is why i've got increasingly concerned about these think these issues and i think many people watching show are people watching this show are concerned what's happening concerned about what's happening is exposing is we are basically exposing children belief children to radical belief systems which are divisive systems which are very divisive , that are inherently divisive and which are really geared towards pitting different groups against one another along the lines of race or breaking down the boundaries around things like sex, sex based rights , like sex, sex based rights, family, national identity , the family, national identity, the state intervening in a way that it didn't used to do that, intervening in what should be the role of the family and the role of parents. and i think, you know, the problem today , you know, the problem today, mark, is no mainstream party, including the conservatives by the way, are seriously addressing these issues . they addressing these issues. they don't have a plan for addressing

these issues happened on their watch. >> and it's happened on their watch. >> and i've spent the last three years fighting to defend free speech in the universities, trying to trying to basically push back against a lot of this, a of sort of hard left a lot of this sort of hard left woke takeover. and now woke takeover. and i'm now convinced basically need convinced that we basically need to be doing that across society . be looking at . we need to be looking at schools. we need to be looking at civil service, need to be looking media looking at media, the media landscape , the institutions, landscape, the institutions, corporations. we need to be basically shaking up the public square and ensuring there's a much wider range of people with different values, with different voices in that public square. now the great irony is that this powerful elite who have so much influence on our society dodi hate your book, and they're furious with this campaign . furious with this campaign. >> you've triggered a lot of powerful people who say that they are not the elites. yeah you see, the first thing i've said is i'll debate anybody about these issues. >> and remarkably, nobody's taken on that. taken me up on that. >> invited alistair campbell. >> yeah, alistair, i invited alistair campbell to a debate and well, why would

and he said, well, why would i have this debate? you know, my book. that was spent longer book. that was then spent longer in list than in the bestseller list than alistair campbell's? i've asked james o'brien a debate. he james o'brien for a debate. he didn't want one. i think didn't want to have one. i think the issue here because the basic issue here is because i even know they have i think even they know they have become associated with ideas that real basis in that have no real basis in evidence. and so what i'm trying to do with this community that i'm trying to build people who are interested having are interested in having a different conversation about the country is try and give people a sense of courage. trying to give people a sense that actually we can stand up and call this out . can stand up and call this out. and, you know, wherever you are on political on the political spectrum, right, centre, whatever , right, left, centre, whatever, you stand up and say, this you can stand up and say, this is our society is actually dividing our society . it's not actually helping our society. >> that's right. >> that's right. >> the old metric of left and right is completely wrong, isn't it? these labels get it? because these labels get thrown around and in fact we've got people watching this show who are perhaps lifelong labour supporters hate the woke supporters who hate the woke stuff. yeah, absolutely. >> so old don't like it >> so the old left don't like it because basically it just violates sense of class violates their sense of class

solidarity that the right certainly don't like it because it undermines culture identity and our shared sense of history. and i think we're on the cusp of a massive year in british politics. 2024. and think , you politics. 2024. and i think, you know, if you look at where the parties are, there is this enormous space now on the landscape for something different, for something that is basically these parties basically saying these parties are not defending your economic , your cultural and your national security , and we need national security, and we need some immigration . some immigration. >> of course, we need something different. migration, 600,000 a yeah different. migration, 600,000 a year. well i mean, illegal immigration as well. year. well i mean, illegal immigration as well . and immigration as well. and apparently you're a bad person if think that's wrong. if you think that's wrong. >> also the that we >> it's also the fact that we are completely addicted to a political economy that is based on and serving the on cheap labour and serving the interests of big business over our wider community. the our wider community. now, the left care about that. left used to care about that. the used care about the left used to care about workers, it to care about workers, it used to care about things like inequality. and so on. happened that the on. what's happened is that the elite have basically gone elite left have basically gone all these academic all in on these wacky academic theories which give them a sense of superiority, basically gives them a sense of moral

righteousness, impressing them. sps yeah, it's all about how they social status. they they derive social status. they denve they derive social status. they derive saying , i derive status by saying, i believe intersectionality. believe in intersectionality. i believe in intersectionality. i believe in intersectionality. i believe in whiteness, i believe in privilege . it's in white privilege. it's nonsense. it's nonsense . these nonsense. it's nonsense. these academic theories really do not stand up to the evidence . stand up to the evidence. >> and can we talk about the chasm between these luxury beliefs which make you look like a very nice person on twitter? gary lineker, vorderman, gary lineker, carol vorderman, these minority beliefs, by these are minority beliefs, by the right? so you know, the way. right? so you know, gary lineker is today that gary lineker is today said that he backs just stop oil he sort of backs just stop oil and know what vorderman has and we know what vorderman has said about, you know , said about, you know, conservative supporters and all the rest of it . but these people the rest of it. but these people have i mean, they're entitled to their right? free their view, right? it's free speech, they have these speech, but they have these luxury beliefs because they're not impacted like not impacted by issues like unchecked migration. yeah. >> , i mean, that's the >> so, i mean, that's the definition of luxury beliefs. they're preached by the elite who don't suffer the consequences of those decisions .evans consequences of those decisions . evans they also preach by . evans but they also preach by the because they bring the elite because they bring them status other elites. them status from other elites. if gary lineker as an if you take gary lineker as an example, things he example, many of the things he said the government's

said about the government's migration policy rwanda, migration policy about rwanda, these view . these this is a minority view. more people in britain today support the rwanda policy than oppose more people oppose it more people want immigration . they want immigration controls. they want to live in a society with strong borders. why is that? mark because it's their home. their country home. want country is their home. they want their home to be ordered and stable and secure. so on a lot of these radical woke and of these radical woke ideas and beliefs, finding is beliefs, what you're finding is that the 1,020% are imposing their values on the rest of the of society and people don't feel able or mark to stand and able or mark to stand up and say, i don't agree with that. and of the reasons why i'm and one of the reasons why i'm doing videos, of the doing these videos, one of the reasons why i'm promoting this stuff my substack and stuff on on my substack and twitter is because at minimum, twitter is because at a minimum, i to show people that i want to show people that actually , ali, you can stand up actually, ali, you can stand up and present an alternative argument to these dangerous belief systems. and we need more people to do that. that's why gb news and the substacks and the youtube channels and the shows are taking off. that's why, mark, there is this alternative ecosystem because the legacy

media has failed to do its job in this area. and so it's up to others. it's up to mavericks and independents to do it. and it hasn't just failed to do its job. >> it's wagged its finger at the pubuc >> it's wagged its finger at the public and said, you know, you're bad people for thinking these look the clock's you're bad people for thinking these us. look the clock's you're bad people for thinking these us. very)k the clock's you're bad people for thinking these us. very briefly, lock's you're bad people for thinking these us. very briefly, is:k's against us. very briefly, is this the beginning a this the beginning of a political party? >> i'm interested to see where it it's certainly it goes. i think it's certainly the beginning of you not rule out becoming politician and out becoming a politician and changing a very changing britain in a very tangible way. i think it's pretty obvious everybody pretty obvious for everybody who's who's who's in this community who's connecting us on twitter. i connecting with us on twitter. i think can see the direction think they can see the direction of travel. >> i think they can see you as well. never say never. >> i, i care as much about this country the people there. country as the people out there. >> now get all the >> so now let's get all the numbers we know dan's got a numbers out. we know dan's got a massive so how can massive audience, so how can people involved? substack people get involved? substack what the best way? yeah, the what is the best way? yeah, the website on at at >> follow me on twitter at at goodwin, mj, goodwin and mj on and they can sign up to substack at matt goodwin.org. >> you go. always >> there you go. always a cracking as the book cracking read as is the book we've name. check the we've got to name. check the book as well. we've got to name. check the boocome/ell. we've got to name. check the boocome on. voice and we

>> come on valleys voice and we got pay. got bills to pay. >> matthew you don't make any money books. >> matthew you don't make any mo i'll books. >> matthew you don't make any mo i'll tell:)ooks. >> matthew you don't make any mo i'll tell you s. >> matthew you don't make any mo i'll tell you that. >> i'll tell you that. >> i'll tell you that. >> now the book is called valleys, voice and virtue. brilliant stuff. thrilled to have studio. have you in the studio. this will ongoing conversation. will be an ongoing conversation. professor goodwin, thank will be an ongoing conversation. profess

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arrived. i couldn't really be a worse headline daily mail horror at end of term tea party eight year old girl dies and ten left in hospital as land rover driven by woman in her 40s ploughs into a wimbledon prep school. also the i home office paints over mickey mouse mural for children at asylum centre. those are your front pages. let's catch up with my superstar panel now in the media buzz . and we've got, i'm media buzz. and we've got, i'm delighted to say, live in the studio , daily telegraph studio, daily telegraph columnist allison pearson. surely britain's most readable and courageous journalist. she doesn't like being called brave, by the way. she doesn't probably a bit patronising, conservative peerin a bit patronising, conservative peer in waiting, the ermine awaits as well . lord shaun awaits as well. lord shaun bailey and author and broadcaster , freshly married broadcaster, freshly married mrs. amy michelle turner . ooh, mrs. amy michelle turner. ooh, lucky mr turner. mr t now yesterday evening a controversial theatre performance advertised for a

black only audience away from what organisers called the white gaze. it was held in london bosses behind the tambo and bones production at the theatre royal stratford east encouraged white people to stay away from the one off blackout in what critics have called a backward and racist move. we want to know what theatregoers thought of it all. so we sent dan wootton senior producer , the brilliant senior producer, the brilliant ben leo, down to get the other side of the argument . side of the argument. >> i think the biggest importance is that we need space for ourselves , you know, just to for ourselves, you know, just to feel free and exist. >> is that what they'd call the white gaze ? i think so. i think white gaze? i think so. i think that's part of it. >> what do you think of that term? >> i mean, it's accurate . >> i mean, it's accurate. >> i mean, it's accurate. >> i think spaces where people can just be free, be open and feel comfortable and necessary for all communities. >> what's wrong with white people ? people? >> what's wrong with them ? >> what's wrong with them? there's not it's not that there's anything wrong with white people. i think it's in the same way that like an lgbtq+

space is for lgbtq+ people. >> his famous quote, of course, where he says, i had a dream that my children would be judged on the content of the character and not the colour of their skin. >> what he was saying was that all people should be judged evenly, are judged evenly, but we are not judged evenly, but we are not judged evenly in the traditional theatre spaces. >> dodi are black people >> dodi how are black people treated unfairly in theatre? can you some examples? you give some examples? >> here to go into >> oh, i'm not here to go into that now because is a very that now because this is a very casual outside of casual interview outside of another and i have my another event and i have my many, many experiences of being treated as other within the spaces i am working by people who are in the audience. i'm not talking about theatre audience members by audience members. so what would they do? just i'm not. no, no, this is not not. no, no, no, no. this is not honounng not. no, no, no, no. this is not honouring my experience to come and try and trivialise it by just some short. just giving you some short. >> not trivialising. just giving you some short. >> i'm not trivialising. just giving you some short. >> i'm sayingyialising. just giving you some short. >> i'm saying it lising. just giving you some short. >> i'm saying it would. i'm not saying you are. >> great reporting from ben leo, who say stars who i'm delighted to say stars on tonight's saturday five at 8:00 on gb news as well. shaun

bailey is this progress? i think for me, there's so many things buzzing around my head listening to those those three ladies speak like one of them talks about isn't a space for lgbtq people just for them. >> isn't free and i think >> isn't it free and i think there's not a direct comparison because black people actually want experience and want to share the experience and say, is what's say, look, this is what's happened us. and i think if happened to us. and i think if we of hide away, then that we sort of hide away, then that experience i spoke experience isn't shared. i spoke to guy way here to a white guy on the way here and said to me, what would be and he said to me, what would be the response if white people did it? now, amy to me, well, it? now, amy said to me, well, we're not oppressed. and the rest this isn't rest of that. but this isn't about oppression for me. about black oppression for me. i think the conversation about racism country is about racism in this country is about moving so yes, we want moving forward. so yes, we want to story. yes, we to tell people a story. yes, we want to say, here's how we want to say, look, here's how we feel. what's on. feel. here's what's gone on. what can make? but what changes can you make? but my it is, is that white my take on it is, is that white people are 50% of the equation. so they need to be involved in the conversation to move forward. >> it's important to say >> it's really important to say that go to one of that they could go to any one of the other performances the other 29 performances because just one night. because it was just one night. >> listen, i'm not it was >> now, listen, i'm not it was just. on. hold on. i'm not

just. hold on. hold on. i'm not saying about one night and a suggestion. but listen, if someone suggestion, someone makes that suggestion, you be you cannot turn up. let's be clear about it wasn't a clear about that. it wasn't a suggestion. it was kind of a request. i'm saying is request. and all i'm saying is this in context out this sits in a wider context out of many different different black experiences , black people's experiences, trying make their way in the trying to make their way in the world. and if you do something like this, affects how other like this, it affects how other black people so you black people move on. so you need think about that. that's need to think about that. that's all saying, that goal all i'm saying, that that goal said spaces for to be said we need spaces for us to be safe, a conversation, to safe, to have a conversation, to think that might well be true. in fact, is true. but is this in fact, it is true. but is this the way go about it? i don't know. >> alison, sean and amy, take a look at this because there was another exchange between ben and one the goers and one of the theatre goers and they the tables and they they turned the tables and they asked take asked ben a question. take a look this to is your kind of look at this to is your kind of i don't understand. >> and to branch out to be honest, i don't personally see skin colour in anyone. >> i just know, like >> i just and you know, like i've two children. i've got two children. >> quite naturally and >> they quite naturally and innocently don't look at people and say, oh, he's black or he's jewish or but don't you think that we should so that we can

understand and people rather than can't see it, than just go, i can't see it, you know, everything's fine because everything's not fine how. >> now. >> that's very interesting. >> that's very interesting. >> allison that that >> allison pearson that that young says that ben leo, young woman says that ben leo, our should see colour. our reporter, should see colour. is she right ? is she right? >> well, no . i mean, she's >> well, no. i mean, she's black, so i guess she's entitled to her view. no, i don't think i was very interested and mark, to see that person saying about ngtq , people need their own ngtq, people need their own space. but girls in england aren't allowed their own toilets . they aren't allowed their own space because that's that's offensive to trans. so by women wanting their own spaces, that's offensive to trans people , but offensive to trans people, but apparently offensive in one way street. if it's us, it's one way. but if sorry, can i just say i'm a big theatre girl. i love the theatre and what i love about it. i'm also a novelist. it's the kingdom of the imagination is free at the point of entry for everybody. that's the whole point. so you go to see a mockingbird third and see kill a mockingbird third and you that experience of the you have that experience of the deep you go bent deep south. you go to see bent and you see, know, gay

and you see, you know, two gay men it's about the men in auschwitz. it's about the shared experience . it's about shared experience. it's about the huge empathy for the human condition that great theatre can generate. we can see a black henry the fifth or a black richard the second, and that's supposed to okay. we're all supposed to be okay. we're all supposed to be okay. we're all supposed be colour—blind. but supposed to be colour—blind. but no, not allowed go to a no, we're not allowed to go to a to a to a to a black production. i find it very offensive and i do think it's racist and i think it should be discouraged. >> amy, i mean, do you not think this in the face the this flies in the face of the great martin luther king who said should be by or said you should be judged by or he hope you would be he would hope you would be judged the content your judged by the content of your character, colour of character, not the colour of your skin. >> it's a nonsense to >> i think it's a nonsense to say i don't see colour. we see colour. can see colour this colour. i can see colour of this table, i see the colour. you table, i can see the colour. you can't say you don't see colour because you say that, what because if you say that, what are you really saying? that it's like people say, oh, like when people say, oh, i didn't think. you don't seem black you. what black or what are you. what are you. what's inference then. you. what's your inference then. what can't there what does that you can't there is a is your friend there is a different see black. >> you sean week >> when you see sean every week we laugh.

we have a laugh. >> i'm very aware that sean is black. like to say let me try to answer the question for you. >> aware that he's >> i'm very aware that he's a dresser. yeah. >> me try to answer the >> let me try to answer the question for you. when that goal said when that goal said you have to see black right. she's correct because i am black. and it's part of my experience. and i want you to see that when ben said doesn't colour, said he doesn't see colour, he's also because ben also correct. because what ben is don't judge you is saying is i don't judge you for colour. that is for your colour. so that girl is saying, you to ignore my saying, i want you to ignore my blackness if you don't, blackness because if you don't, you're great you're not acknowledging a great part when ben says, part of me. but when ben says, i want to, want to want you to, i don't want to ignore your blackness, it's because he doesn't want to judge, wants give judge, because he wants to give you chance display your you the chance to display your character. he character. and that's how he sees it's sees the world. and it's a nuance and a problem have nuance and a problem we have around racism is that people are, anti—racist in are, you know, anti—racist in one everybody's are, you know, anti—racist in one or everybody's are, you know, anti—racist in one or vaant dy's are, you know, anti—racist in one or vaant to�*s are, you know, anti—racist in one or vaant to just live racist. or you want to just live your apparently you're your life. and apparently you're also to have also racist. we need to have nuance around this debate. isn't it people it a bit patronising to people of colour, though, that there has black only has to be a black only performance, that somehow black people are so fragile? >> see why. because >> oh, i can see why. because there's about there's nothing fragile about sean almost sean bailey, who almost destroyed khan of destroyed sadiq khan a couple of

years ago, and i wish he'd won. >> i totally >> i do. i do. totally appreciate arguments, appreciate all the arguments, but was the but i just think this was the intention of this would if intention of this would be if i made sensitive piece of made a very sensitive piece of theatre about what it is to be a woman and it was about very feminine issues. say a piece about fgm. said for one about fgm. and i said for one night we share this as night only can we share this as women and i just women women and i just invited women to one off theatre to that one off theatre performance. think that to that one off theatre perfthe ance. think that to that one off theatre perfthe intention. think that to that one off theatre perfthe intention. i think that to that one off theatre perfthe intention. i to nk that to that one off theatre perfthe intention. i to call1at to that one off theatre perfthe intention. i to call itt was the intention. i to call it in. >> i tell you, the problem with that, is this is what that, this is where this is what people and i will say this, amy, on the always do. they make on the left always do. they make comparisons. is not valid comparisons. that is not a valid comparisons. that is not a valid comparison it comparison because it doesn't it simply have same simply doesn't have the same women the same women don't have the same history black people. no, history as black people. no, no, no, history as black people. no, no, “0, l history as black people. no, no, no, , no. i'm sorry. the no, no, no. i'm sorry. the themes, black history. and that's but you've made that's correct. but you've made you've comparison that that's correct. but you've made you've reasonable nparison that that's correct. but you've made you've reasonable and ison that that's correct. but you've made you've reasonable and it)n that that's correct. but you've made you've reasonable and it is that that's correct. but you've made you've reasonable and it is not, seems reasonable and it is not, because what you have to think about impact of what about is the impact of what you're doing and will be you're doing and what will be the response to that. you know, you're doing and what will be the history;e to that. you know, you're doing and what will be the history of to that. you know, you're doing and what will be the history of menit. you know, you're doing and what will be the history of men and)u know, you're doing and what will be the history of men and women, the history of men and women means do something means if you do something specifically , actually specifically for women, actually often, history often, right, racial history across the country, across the country, across the world is very nuanced. you could quite easily wrong . and there's

easily go wrong. and there's always a response. so what what have you set in the world by saying, no people? saying, no white people? i fought the whole plan was working together get along, working together to get along, that somebody said, that sometimes if somebody said, kwasi, well, well, i've been held i won't try to get held out. so i won't try to get along then amy briefly, last word. >> no, just i think the intention was it was all in good faith wilfully missing faith and to wilfully missing interpret it as something that could be perceived as racist is unwilling to see the good intentions behind why they did this blackout performance . this blackout performance. >> okay, well, a worthy >> okay, well, look, a worthy debate a fascinating one. debate and a fascinating one. complex. let's clear about debate and a fascinating one. compmy let's clear about debate and a fascinating one. compmy brilliant clear about debate and a fascinating one. compmy brilliant panel about debate and a fascinating one. compmy brilliant panel return that. my brilliant panel return very shortly with their greatest britain and union jackass nominations. but next in uncancelled, fleet street, legend kelvin mackenzie on whether holly willoughby is an eco hypocrite after supporting just stop oil seemingly, but taking a helicopter to glastonbury . also, a shocking glastonbury. also, a shocking attack on our head of advertising , attack on our head of advertising, a young woman, a very talented young head of marketing here at gb news, attacked by a room of arrogant

men in the world of advertising . kelvin mackenzie responds and sparks will fly. see you .

in two. it's two. wsfime two. it's time now for uncanceled . it's time now for uncanceled. where britain's top commentators speak out on controversial issues without the fear of the cancel culture sweeping the rest of the media. and you'd have thought holly willoughby fancied keeping a low profile after riding out the phillip schofield storm. but the itv star sparked outrage today with this take on the antics of just stop oil >> a lot of my listeners said, please don't , please stop covering. >> just stop oil, because you look at the we had our hottest day globally on record today . day globally on record today. >> but i guess their hope is that somewhere higher up will start to make a difference . start to make a difference. holly who was last week pictured

jumping into a gas guzzling helicopter for a 136 mile ride from london to glastonbury for a boozy weekend fleet tree legend kelvin mackenzie. >> is this a massive clanger from holly ? well the issue for from holly? well the issue for itv and we'll come very quickly to the disgraceful position of the way that the sales director was treated by the ad agencies . was treated by the ad agencies. >> is that what they really doing within itv is taking a nod towards the agenda from the left i >> because if you if you if you take the position of anti just stop oil, there's a very good chance that media buyers will stop taking your adverts which is what i am really upset about . actually i am massively upset about what happened to the gb news sales director in manchester today. absolutely outrageous . so gb news is going

outrageous. so gb news is going to make some presentations to ad agencies , media buyers and agencies, media buyers and directly the lady walks up there, nicola walks up . there there, nicola walks up. there they are. they've been on the sauce. they start shout ing at her. they tell her to f off and there's a huge kind of sense of violence. and it's by the very ad agencies who are in truth boycotting gb news gb news has a massive audience much bigger than sky news, much bigger than talktv. well, everybody has got bigger audience than talktv, but we are not getting the advertising . we're not getting advertising. we're not getting the advertising because a load of i don't know what quite the people they are left of centre, perhaps they're not, they don't mind it in their pay packet, but they don't want to see major advertisers appear on gb news and they attack this lady who all she was doing was presenting an award. what kind of people are they? and unfortunately they

know what kind of people they are because nicola actually recognised them and they work for major ad agencies in this country . they absolutely do. now country. they absolutely do. now is we should start to name them and shame them. we've tried to be friendly. now the gloves are off. >> well, kelvin, i share your anger and disgust. this >> well, kelvin, i share your anger and disgust . this is gb anger and disgust. this is gb news is top advertising boss, the brilliant nicole o'shay . the brilliant nicole o'shay. now, let me tell you about nicole o'shay. she is incredibly smart . she's nicole o'shay. she is incredibly smart. she's the very best in the industry and she's one of the industry and she's one of the nicest people i've ever worked with. she was shamelessly abused by a bunch of men on the source as kelvin said, at an industry awards event, they clenched their fists and told her to f off in disturbing scenes caught on video . take scenes caught on video. take a look at this . hey.

look at this. hey. hey . meanwhile, the sun's been . hey. meanwhile, the sun's been. >> congratulations, guys . kelvin >> congratulations, guys. kelvin you've been in charge of several very successful disruptive brands. >> the sun newspaper and talksport . the industry don't talksport. the industry don't like the status quo being threatened, do they ? do you threatened, do they? do you think people power will win out ? >> well, 7- >> well, i ? >> well, i certainly hope so. certainly the audience is behind us.even certainly the audience is behind us. even if these media buyers who are slinking around in little, little hovels somewhere trying to pretend that this kind of successful television on the television of the future aimed not at not broadcast, but more narrowcast, it's been hugely successful. it's not being supported . and this was supported. and this was a disgrace. and somebody should be named and shamed over it. i'd be grateful if they tell me who it is. i'd known them on my twitter

feed. well i wouldn't blame you. >> do you think there's jealousy involved? is there nervousness , involved? is there nervousness, miss kelvin? because we know what gandy said in terms of your enemies. first they laugh , then enemies. first they laugh, then they fight you. and then you win i >> -- >> well, emma >> well, they certainly certainly. that's the truth. with gb news, they came from absolutely nothing. it was never going to start. oh, hello. it's successful full. oh. what should we now? what we'll try and do we do now? what we'll try and do now we'll and starve it of now we'll try and starve it of funds that can't become funds so that it can't become more successful. so it can't hang around. and so it becomes a subscription station or something like that. we want it to stay broadcast , but something like that. we want it to stay broadcast, but i feel desperate for that lady. nicola and i hope that some of these drunk an ad agency people, little have the good good grace to apologise to her personally. tomorrow it's a form of bullying and actually these people claim that they have the high ground . that they have the high ground. please excuse me while i throw up, will you ?

up, will you? >> kelvin, you were one of my first inspirational bosses in the media. you were right then, and you're right now. we'll catch up soon. cheers. kelvin mackenzie, founder of talksport and, of course, former sun newspaper editor. it's time now to reveal today's greatest britain and union. jack has. allison pearson shaun bailey and amy nicole turner. do your worst, allison, your greatest britain. >> it's a gym . ratcliffe the >> it's a gym. ratcliffe the billionaire owner of chemical group ianos, sirjim told the financial times that the uk's energy policy is crap . you won't energy policy is crap. you won't be able to power the whole uk with wind, said sirjim. be able to power the whole uk with wind, said sir jim. another blow against net zero. fabulous fabulous nomination. >> alison how about you sean? your greatest britain my greatest. >> britain is original eco warrior swampy who has rejected just stop oil tactics , saying just stop oil tactics, saying communities should come together in order to defeat this. and he's right. i've been saying it all along. if you want people to

join the eco revolution, then you've got to to them. you've got to be nice to them. disrupting their does disrupting their world does not work. had bath. work. and he's had a bath. >> nicole a couple >> amy nicole turner, a couple of if you could. your of seconds, if you could. your greatest britain. >> well, i've gone somebody >> well, i've gone for somebody that were very that i don't think you were very kind wasn't there kind to yesterday wasn't there a republican that came on the show 7 republican that came on the show ? they spoke in pure facts. and you just threw emotion back at them. they deserve them. and i think they deserve a fairer hearing next time. well alison wins. >> i'm giving it to the voice of common sense, sirjim ratcliffe . okay, alison, your union jack has briefly, if you can, i feel very strongly about this. >> mark union jack jackass is the essex high school, where four girls were sexually assaulted . their school gender assaulted. their school gender neutral loos. the school claims to be the safety of pupils is paramount , to be the safety of pupils is paramount, but no identity politics and supporting aggressive trans lobbies is paramount. >> sean just the name for your union jackass. >> the church of england and its £641 fee for marriage. >> they should be making it free. marriage is a gift. hopefully the general synod will vote it down. >> world's gone mad. amy.

vote it down. >> i world's gone mad. amy. vote it down. >> i agreerld's gone mad. amy. vote it down. >> i agree with gone mad. amy. vote it down. >> i agree with that. mad. amy. vote it down. >> i agree with that. it'si. amy. vote it down. >> i agree with that. it's rishiy. >> i agree with that. it's rishi sunak.i >> i agree with that. it's rishi sunak . i won't you know, just sunak. i won't you know, just generally , no, because he generally, no, because he generally, no, because he generally turns up to pmqs specifically not turning up to pmqs. >> well, allison pearson's done the double. yes, indeed . i'm the double. yes, indeed. i'm going to give it to that ridiculous school that won't give a loo. thanks for give girls a loo. thanks for your company. i'll see you tomorrow 9:00 mark dolan tomorrow at 9:00 for mark dolan tonight his .

next ulez gb news the top story . ulez gb news the top story. >> well, we understand cordons remain in place around buckingham palace tonight after a man handcuffed himself to the main gates earlier on this evening , scotland yard said the evening, scotland yard said the man began threatening to harm himself as officers approached him. the situation is ongoing . him. the situation is ongoing. officers have been negotiating with the man is reported to have sustained a number of self—inflicted slash injuries. police say they're working to bnng police say they're working to bring the situation to a close as quickly as possible . well, as quickly as possible. well, the prime minister said today his thoughts are with the family of an eight year old girl who died after a land rover crashed into her primary school in south—west london. police were called just before 10:00 this morning to the study prep school in wimbledon . 16 people were in wimbledon. 16 people were treated at the scene and ten were taken to hospital . police were taken to hospital. police say the driver, a woman in her 40s, has been arrested on suspicion of causing death by