mouse cartoons painted mickey mouse cartoons painted onto the walls of a unit that was specifically designed for children. now there have been painted over as order so that people actually don't feel too welcome by people. i mean children. and instead they get the message that it's all about law enforcement. or do you make to this is this a sensible move or it is a little bit ridiculous. your thoughts, please . and can you believe it's please. and can you believe it's the anniversary of boris johnson's resignation .7 time johnson's resignation? time flies, doesn't it? so my question for you tonight is simple. is uk politics a better place without him in that role or not? it and the archbishop of canterbury, justin welby, says that university should have their funding cut if students , their funding cut if students, among other things, feel inaya assaulted. but this is quite a strange thing because who gets to quantify what is insults? i mean, i might say something to you and i might not mean it that way. you could take it that way. who gets to decide what is what and should funding be linked to

that? yes or no? and in much of the uk we have one of the highest levels when it comes to dnnk highest levels when it comes to drink driving rates. some are saying that this limit saying now that this limit should be reduced perhaps to even zero. so yeah, zero tolerance. you cannot even have a single drink before you drive. is that common sense or is it nanny state gone mad? we've got it all coming up and more. but before we get into it, let's bnng before we get into it, let's bring ourselves up to speed with tonight's latest headlines . tonight's latest headlines. >> i'm ray addison with the latest news from the gb news room. the gunman who killed a beautician outside a pub in merseyside on christmas eve has been sentence eight to life and will serve a minimum of 48 years for her murder. 26 year old ellie edwards was killed by connor chapman outside the lighthouse pub in the wirral last year. the 23 year old fired i2 last year. the 23 year old fired 12 shots from a submachine gun, injuring several others before

fleeing the scene. chapman was found guilty after a three and a half week trial at liverpool crown court . ellie's father, tim crown court. ellie's father, tim edwards, spoke after the sentencing . sentencing. >> thankfully now he's got 48 years and hopefully never sees christmas again . and if i'm christmas again. and if i'm lucky enough to still be around for a long time, yeah, i will do my best to make sure he never comes out of jail . comes out of jail. >> a man who killed a mother and her two young daughters by setting fire to their flat in nottingham has been jailed for life and will serve a minimum term of 44 years. 31 year old jamie barrow was found guilty of murdering his neighbour, fatumata haidara and her daughters, fatima and nima in clifton last year. the court heard that he poured petrol through their letterbox before setting it alight and watching the fire take hold . an eight the fire take hold. an eight year old girl and a 40 year old woman remain in a life

threatening condition in hospital following yesterday's crash at a school in wimbledon. another eight year old girl was killed after a land rover crashed through a fence and into the study prep school. the dnven the study prep school. the driver, a 46 year old woman, arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving, has now been bailed pending further enquiries . a coroner has enquiries. a coroner has concluded that the deaths of four boys who drowned after falling into a frozen lake near solihull was a terrible accident. brothers six year old samuel and eight year old finley butler died along with their 11 year old cousin, thomas stewart and ten year old jack johnson . and ten year old jack johnson. the court heard that the children went to babbs mill lake in kingshurst in december last year to skim stones and feed the ducks. police formed a human chain to punch through the ice and pull the children out of the lake. but all four later died. super intendent richard harris says his officers did everything they could to save them.

>> my own local officers were the first to arrive on the scene within minutes of the initial call and tried so desperately to rescue the boys that afternoon, with many wading into subzero water up to their necks to form a human chain. they had no specialist equipment, but bravely smashed their way through the ice with their batons and fists in a bid to find the boys . find the boys. >> the government has doubled down on its refusal to commit to accepting teachers . a pay review accepting teachers. a pay review proposals . education is a right. proposals. education is a right. >> that is why we have to fight. >> that is why we have to fight. >> it comes after members of the national education union took part in a second day of industrial action this week. they were warning there could be more strikes in the autumn term all for education. unions rejected the government's offer of a one off payment and a 4.5% pay of a one off payment and a 4.5% pay rise next year. of a one off payment and a 4.5% pay rise next year . science pay rise next year. science teacher on that picket line told us he'd like a rise in line with

inflation. we feel that our pay has been cut significantly as a result of stagnating wages for education and rising inflation. >> and we feel that this government hasn't been willing to do enough to support education and we know that so many so many new teachers are leaving the profession so early. it's unsustainable . the wages it's unsustainable. the wages are not meeting the work that they're being asked to put in, andifs they're being asked to put in, and it's driving people out of the system. and that's really bad for students. more than 300 people were intercepted in small boats in the english channel in the early hours of this morning i >> -- >> it's the 5mm >> it's the first crossings in seven days following poor weather. gb news understands that the boats pushed off from a 60 mile stretch of the french coastline from dunkirk to boulogne brings the total number of crossings so far this year to over 11,700. and former

manchester united and netherlands goalkeeper edwin van der sar is in intensive care after suffering, bleeding around his brain. the news was announced on social media by his former club, ajax, who said he is in a stable condition . the 52 is in a stable condition. the 52 year old was admitted to hospital after suffering a cerebral haemorrhage while in croatia . it comes after he croatia. it comes after he announced that he'd be stepping down from the ajax board , saying down from the ajax board, saying he needed to get some rest. manchester united tweeted, saying they were sending all their love and strength . we're their love and strength. we're on tv online, on dab+ radio and on tv online, on dab+ radio and on tune in to. this is gb news. back now to . back now to. michelle >> thanks for that, ray and michelle dewberry with you right through till 7:00 tonight alongside me, a new face. we like those, don't we? communicate officer at the institute of economic affairs.

remember him and the author, broadcaster and firefighter with a new haircut, paul mbappe. welcome and welcome . we do like welcome and welcome. we do like a new face, a think tank for my viewers at home that are not familiar. you here this word bandied around all the time. what is a think tank? >> a think tank. so effectively, we're institute of economic we're the institute of economic affairs educational affairs are an educational charity . we try talk about charity. we try and talk about the ideas of a free society and try and get enough people to listen. so we just get paid for a penny for your thoughts in a think tank there you go. >> translated right wing libertarians. no role for the state. everything handed over to the market. that's right . the market. that's right. >> i am a libertarian . yes, that >> i am a libertarian. yes, that is true. i don't necessarily like the word right wing. i think it's kind of quite sort of unuseful, you know, the word right wing and left wing, these kind of different dichotomies. >> but governments and inherent , you know, evil and there's no place for it other than perhaps in the most essential. >> you seen the current government? >> room for intervention >> no. no room for intervention in economy , rolling back the

in the economy, rolling back the frontiers letting frontiers of the state, letting market. think you're market. so i think you're confusing. that's what it is. come on. confusing. that's what it is. conlz on. you're confusing what >> i think you're confusing what sort libertarianism sort of broad libertarianism is and anarchy. i'm not an anarchist. i don't believe in the abolition of the the total abolition of the state. i do believe the state. i do believe that the government has the propensity to do harm than good. i think do more harm than good. i think our viewers also the do more harm than good. i think our �*thatzrs also the do more harm than good. i think our �*that the also the do more harm than good. i think our �*that the government the way that the government have been handling every crisis over the or so, the the past decade or so, the government tend to more bad things. >> you think we should privatise the national service of the national health service of course do you think we course i do. do you think we should the police should privatise the police then? why not? why should privatise the police the|inconsistency why not? why should privatise the police the|inconsistency fory not? why should privatise the police the|inconsistency for an )t? why the inconsistency for an essential service? >> inconsistency. so >> not quite inconsistency. so i do that the police do believe that the police service again, it is a it needs to be a monopoly on the state, the monopoly health the nhs is a monopoly on health care. look across the care. when we look across the world, we can look at other countries that have much better health this week health care systems. this week we celebrated the 75th anniversary . we celebrated the 75th anryeah, ry . we celebrated the 75th anryeah, i'll . we celebrated the 75th anryeah, i'll tell . we celebrated the 75th anryeah, i'll tell you . we celebrated the 75th anryeah, i'll tell you what else >> yeah, i'll tell you what else was anniversary of boris was the anniversary of boris johnson and him resigning. i'll be getting into that a little bit more into the program. but there you go. that's a flavour of what we've got coming up. you

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. and i need to make something very clear . . and i need to make something very clear. this . and i need to make something very clear . this is an . and i need to make something very clear. this is an asylum processing centre for children so unaccompanied children, it's not just a random adult. one, it's specifically designed for children. and as such it had some kind of paintings on the wall, like, i don't know, mickey mouse or whatever, like children's paintings. in fact, actually a picture actually we have got a picture that i actually we have got a picture thati can actually we have got a picture that i can show you now. the reason it's all kind of kicked off and i put this picture off and i will put this picture up give you context as up to give you some context as to talking about is to what we're talking about is because pictures you because these pictures you can see like mickey mouse, tom and jerry, whatever the government see like mickey mouse, tom and jerry now atever the government see like mickey mouse, tom and jerry now ordered1e government see like mickey mouse, tom and jerry now ordered these ernment see like mickey mouse, tom and jerry now ordered these t0|ment see like mickey mouse, tom and jerry now ordered these to bent has now ordered these to be painted over because what they're saying is asylum centres should be a law enforcement centre, not a welcome centre . centre, not a welcome centre. and he wants to have almost kind of a mentality which is dissuading people, discouraging people to make that crossing. he has come under a lot of criticism though, because painting over cartoon is for some people a stretch too far. >> the thoughts this isn't absolutely ridiculous thing to do. i mean , they've totally do. i mean, they've totally

missed the ball here. what they what the people want, what the pubuc what the people want, what the public want is a reduction in the illegal migrants that are coming to this country. they don't want a waste of taxpayer money spent on covering up money being spent on covering up children's paintings. that is ridiculous. it feels incredibe wibbly callous and cruel. in the first instance. and that first instance. and i think that actually framing of this actually the framing of this question interesting, question is quite interesting, this for somehow if we this idea that for somehow if we have these paintings , it makes have these paintings, it makes that immigrants want to come here makes asylum here more. it makes asylum seekers, children then want to come more often . that's come here more often. that's just the case at all. i just not the case at all. i think this quite a cruel think this is quite a cruel policy. yeah, but i guess . policy. yeah, but i guess. >> actually, you tell me >> well, actually, you tell me your i'll tell your thoughts. i'll tell you mine on. your thoughts. i'll tell you mirwell, i think it's stupid and >> well, i think it's stupid and i think it's callous. and i think most people out there, even though they believe in strong even though strong borders, even though they think is broken, think the system is broken, even though the government though they think the government should better at should do much better at reducing and stopping reducing numbers and stopping the boats, they would the small boats, they would look at and say, the small boats, they would look at i and say, the small boats, they would look at i don't and say, the small boats, they would look at i don't support and say, the small boats, they would look at i don't support this nd say, the small boats, they would look at i don't support this because but i don't support this because this is effectively taken out on kids. i don't know a single kids. and i don't know a single voter would would voter who would who would support the

support that. and if the government that actually government think that actually this is some kind substitute this is some kind of substitute for having a proper and effective and that for having a proper and effecti'are and that for having a proper and effecti'are going and that for having a proper and effecti'are going to and that for having a proper and effecti'are going to convinced voters are going to be convinced about gimmicks like this, about silly gimmicks like this, then ,i about silly gimmicks like this, then , i don't think they then frankly, i don't think they understand the general public. the public doesn't want cruelty . pubuc the public doesn't want cruelty . public doesn't want . the public doesn't want callousness when it comes to asylum and immigration. they want a fair system . they want want a fair system. they want people to be treated humanely . people to be treated humanely. they want the system they just want the system managed properly. they want it regulated properly . they want managed properly. they want it reglnumbersterly . they want managed properly. they want it reglnumbers to rly . they want managed properly. they want it reglnumbers to be. they want managed properly. they want it reglnumbers to be modest/ant managed properly. they want it reglnumbers to be modest and the numbers to be modest and manageable. and personally, i think painting should be think the painting should be redone. there's big redone. the there's a big collection of artists now that have offered their time and their free of their kind of materials free of charge, back, repaint charge, paint them back, repaint them . them. >> you know, we hear this phrase about a hostile environment for people wanting to illegally enter the country and all the rest of it. and many people would say, well, actually, yeah, thatis would say, well, actually, yeah, that is right. we should be creating an environment that is hostile. so if you're considering into the considering coming into the country way, you know, country in this way, you know, we're to do everything we're going to do everything possible to make it as uncomfortable as possible so

that decide do it. that you decide not to do it. perhaps. why people like that? >> why would we want to make this country uncomfortable for children? mean, that just, children? i mean, that is just, i absurd i think, an entirely absurd argument. all, these argument. first of all, these children come here off children didn't come here off their own volition. they've probably with probably come here with other adults smuggled adults that have either smuggled them illegally or they've them here illegally or they've been able to here illegally been able to come here illegally themselves these themselves with other of these kind bring kind of gangs that bring them oven kind of gangs that bring them over. are criminals . and over. they are criminals. and these children are incredibly vulnerable. i understand the argument when it comes to the sort of the way that we're spending money it spending taxpayer money when it comes to these asylum centres, when comes to bringing these when it comes to bringing these individuals into hotels. but this is effectively waste of this is effectively a waste of taxpayer painting taxpayer money painting over murals and let's be blunt, it calls into question the judgement of the government because somebody somewhere here, whether it's jenrick in the cabinet or someone in the home office came up with the idea that this was a wise and sensible thing to do and probably thought that it was a popular thing to do because, you know, the public are going to fall for this. >> they're going think, you >> they're going to think, you know, really on

know, we're really tough on asylum to honest, asylum seekers and to be honest, if we've got people like that running the country who so running the country who are so out on issues like this out of touch on issues like this that they think that using kids as political as pawns in a political argument over and immigration is over asylum and immigration is going popularity steph going to win popularity steph takyi, that itself concerns takyi, then that itself concerns so play devil's advocate, so let me play devil's advocate, because is this whole because there is this whole industry that's been spawned because there is this whole induswhichit's been spawned because there is this whole induswhich is; been spawned because there is this whole induswhich is where spawned because there is this whole induswhich is where thingsed because there is this whole induswhich is where things like now, which is where things like tick getting used as tick tock are getting used as a glorified travel brochure so people are kind of putting all this kind of literature on there to entice other people to spend their crossing this channel. >> so i am you know, i am trying to play devil's advocate here, just so you know. but so then if you imagine then so you've got these kids , teenagers or these kids, teenagers or whatever it is in this centre with their smartphones filming around. yeah, look, you've got mickey mouse, you've got tom and jerry. yeah. they might be an opportunity to crop that up, misrepresent it and bang, there's your family section on your tick tock travel brochure. there's your family section on youi tick tock travel brochure. there's your family section on youi don't)ck travel brochure. there's your family section on youi don't think|vel brochure. there's your family section on youi don't think it's brochure. there's your family section on youi don't think it's goinnge. there's your family section on youi don't think it's going to. >> i don't think it's going to be teenagers who are selling the idea of baloo, bear from the idea of baloo, the bear from the

jungle book and mickey mouse . i jungle book and mickey mouse. i mean, these murals are mean, these these murals are clearly aimed very young clearly aimed at very young children . and these are children children. and these are children who, as reem said, have had absolutely no choice in what's happened to them. it must be a very unpleasant experience to have come from their home that they're used to, and they've travelled to another country and they've put this centre they've been put in this centre . know, one of the one . and you know, one of the one of the small mercies of trying to make it a little bit welcoming and little bit child welcoming and a little bit child friendly by having murals on the wall book wall from the jungle book and cartoons stuff . and then cartoons and stuff. and then a workman comes in on the instruction of the home office and paints over them. i mean, i just it's ridiculously just think it's ridiculously callous and deeply uncharitable . and now anyone could have thought it was a good decision on beggars belief. >> yeah, i've got to say, not a lot of people are agreeing with what government what the government has done here. says . utterly stupid here. roman says. utterly stupid . has this government ever been on the right side of anything? why would they do this to children ? i mean, this is kind children? i mean, this is kind of a line, isn't it? so a lot of

people will, of course, you know, you will push back and you'll say, you know, these people shouldn't getting on people shouldn't be getting on these, dinghies or these, you know, dinghies or whatever, is something whatever, but there is something odd. you to paint odd. a&e says, for you to paint over cartoons and children's eyes. one of most nasty and eyes. one of the most nasty and pathetic i've heard in a pathetic stories i've heard in a very long shame on all of very long time. shame on all of those that sanction and it. martin says. well, no, i actually agree with it. it's not actually agree with it. it's not a holiday camp. keep them uncomfortable until they decide to leave. keep the kids uncomfortable. i mean, yeah, i was just about to say, i do have to push back on this a little bit because, you know, this is and do need make this and i do need to make this absolutely this is absolutely clear. this is exclusively a child migrant processing it's not processing centre. it's not a mixed one or anything like that. and , i know some of you will and yes, i know some of you will write and say, but michel, write back and say, but michel, many of the people coming in that say that they're children are actually not. i can feel are actually not. and i can feel that sentiment coming through. are actually not. and i can feel thatto�*ntiment coming through. are actually not. and i can feel thatto be �*nent coming through. are actually not. and i can feel thatto be fair, coming through. are actually not. and i can feel thatto be fair, thoseig through. are actually not. and i can feel thatto be fair, those mickeyigh. but to be fair, those mickey mouse things, probably not mouse things, they probably not targeted 15, 16, 17 year targeted ing the 15, 16, 17 year olds people that that would tick the for. are these the the box for. are these the little so you imagine

little kids so you imagine i don't know if someone's shoved their five year old on this boat with adult and with another random adult and said, a favour, please, said, do me a favour, please, please, please make sure that they get the uk safe and then they get to the uk safe and then now you've this little five now you've got this little five year kid you know, year old kid who, you know, i mean, you imagine? i mean, i mean, can you imagine? i mean, i get goosebumps because i am a mom. you imagine just mom. but, you know, imagine just a and i don't have a little child and i don't have sympathy for a grown man pretending kids, by the pretending that the kids, by the way. going soft and way. so i'm not going soft and old but if you've got old age. but if you've got a genuine child you know, you genuine child and you know, you wouldn't them to be wouldn't want them to be uncomfortable, that situation must absolutely terrifying. uncomfortable, that situation mu and absolutely terrifying. uncomfortable, that situation mu and abs don't.y terrifying. uncomfortable, that situation mu and abs don't.y te|don'tg. uncomfortable, that situation mu and abs don't.y te|don't play >> and you don't you don't play politics with kid's politics with with kid's lives. you you robust you know, you can have robust disagreements immigration, disagreements on immigration, but play politics but you don't play play politics with kids. >> you know something as >> you know something else as well, gone well, because this has not gone well, because this has not gone well for this government. i have to and it always makes me to say. and it always makes me think, know who's think, i don't know who's advising governments, advising these governments, because want paint because if you did want to paint over mural that was your over the mural and that was your idea and it was your dream, wouldn't paint over the wouldn't you just paint over the whole room and just say you're actually refreshing the room actually was refreshing the room and have of and you wouldn't have had any of this stick the first place. this stick in the first place. i don't know. you tell me your

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thank you. it is clearly now the will of the parliamentary conservative party that there should be a new leader of that party and therefore a new prime minister. and i've agreed with sir graham brady, the chairman of our backbench mps, that the process of choosing that new leader should begin now . leader should begin now. >> cor blimey, a lot has gone on, hasn't it, in the year that followed since sandy , says followed since sandy, says michelle. british politics is not better off without boris. it's much, much worse. in fact it is horrendous, she says . it is horrendous, she says. bnng it is horrendous, she says. bring back democracy and bring back boris. paul bring him back. thatis back boris. paul bring him back. that is who we voted for, cyril says no, we are worse off without him. i don't know where we're going or where we're heading. we need a snap election, he says. to stop all of this nonsense . jim, election, he says. to stop all of this nonsense .jim, i voted of this nonsense. jim, i voted for boris johnson , not the for boris johnson, not the tories. he should never have been pushed out . well, been pushed out. well, interestingly enough , reem, you interestingly enough, reem, you actually campaigned alongside and for boris johnson, you live

in his constituency . in his constituency. >> rac i do live in his constituency , uxbridge and south constituency, uxbridge and south ruislip it's a fantastic, lovely suburb on the side of london. and i did campaign in 2019. i thought that actually when we looked at the position that we were in, we had jeremy corbyn, who is a socialist . were in, we had jeremy corbyn, who is a socialist. he is also an anti—semite. he is , i an anti—semite. he is, i believe, what would effectively take the country down a horribly , horribly bad path. and then you had boris johnson, anti—semites, obviously, wouldn't he? yes, yes. if he was sitting here today, he would he would he would deny that. there are many that do deny that. i think that there are some issues there. point being there was a huge for was huge for me, it was a effectively good versus evil kind of election , which is why kind of election, which is why i did support the conservatives and did support boris johnson at the time. so boris johnson, he played role in your active played no role in your active campaign. played no role in your active canitaign.more you just didn't >> it was more you just didn't want. corbyn. yes exactly. >> so boris johnson himself, i mean, we looked at during his time, premiership, we time, during his premiership, we had tax burden since had the highest tax burden since the second world war. we had

increasing amounts of immigration the immigration. we had the lockdowns, which effectively were in effective and we saw sort of a 3.2% reduction in mortality rates . and yet we saw mortality rates. and yet we saw all of the social costs. we saw children that weren't able to go to school. we saw people being mandated to have the vaccine . so mandated to have the vaccine. so actually, i think that when we're looking at the broader picture here, boris johnson was one of the worst prime ministers that we've had in country. that we've had in this country. he to he is he when it came to 2019, he is a fantastic election winner. he's incredibly charismatic. people love . even the few times love him. even the few times that our faces lit up. look, i mean, the few times i have met him, i've sort of told myself mean, the few times i have met him, i'm sort of told myself mean, the few times i have met him,i'm actuallytold myself mean, the few times i have met him, i'm actually going yself mean, the few times i have met him,i'm actually going tozlf mean, the few times i have met him,i'm actually going to tell that i'm actually going to tell him think about his him what i think about his policies. then when i went policies. and then when i went into the room, i was like, hi, boris, you're great. >> chickened out. mbappe >> chickened out. paul mbappe british worse british politics better or worse that there. that he's not there. >> better that he's not there. i think complete unsuited think he was complete unsuited to of prime minister. to the job of prime minister. a job that has been held by statesmen and stateswomen and should be held by people of that sort of gravitas . and i think he

sort of gravitas. and i think he was a man who had a casual relation with the truth. i think he was a man of questionable personal morality. i often wonder how he managed to ascend the pole to the position of prime minister. but then you think actually it's the old thing, isn't it? he went to eton. he went to oxford. he was very well connected. we are an elitist society. social mobility is going backwards and people like that, regardless of whether they're good, bad or indifferent at their job, tend to get to the top. and it's that whole sense of entitlement which he had in spades. let's about it. spades. let's be blunt about it. he he was born he obviously thought he was born to be prime minister >> it weld king, i think i think he i think he wrote himself when he i think he wrote himself when he wrote when he was a kid that he wrote when he was a kid that he was going to be world king. >> and i just think actually it was it was how long was he prime minister for three years or whatever it was. and it was just a wasted it wasted period a wasted it was a wasted period in many respects. i think he

craved power. but actually when he got power, didn't quite know to what do with it. and the whole thing was a bit of a damp squib. i think the other thing, by way, is he his politics by the way, is he his politics were very much opposed to the politics who politics of the people who put him let's be him there. he is. let's be blunt, a social and economic liberal, whereas the people who actually him, you actually voted for him, you know, largely people who know, largely the people who voted and got the voted for brexit and got the tories mandate in tories the massive mandate in the election and some of the 2019 election and some of these constituencies, these red wall constituencies, they so sure and they are not so sure and economic liberals. so what economic liberals. and so what he doing was playing to an he was doing was playing to an electorate who had diametrically opposed to his own opposed opinions to his own instinctive opinions, actually. so i think it was i think it was an experiment of three years of celebrity government. and i think it failed. celebrity government. and i thiri. it failed. celebrity government. and i thiri wouldn't i wouldn't say >> i wouldn't i wouldn't say it's celebrity government, but i will say and i'm not going to sit here and defend johnson for numerous issues, numerous of his issues, again, with tax burden , etcetera. with the tax burden, etcetera. what say is johnson did what i will say is johnson did get brexit done . he did listen get brexit done. he did listen to the public and that is effectively why he was so successful the election . successful at the election. you've got to say he's probably

one of the most successful politicians decade. politicians in the past decade. and can i also point and can i, can i also just point out well, because i do think out as well, because i do think this is something that gets completely overlooked. this is something that gets complet�* you iverlooked. this is something that gets complet�* you iverlooke you this is something that gets complet�*you iverlookeyou look this is something that gets completyou>verlookeyou look at >> but, you know, if you look at the circumstances that had to the circumstances that he had to deal with. so you had. yes. you had to mop up the whole brexit thing that was made easy thing and that was not made easy for variety of different for a variety of different reasons. and then had this reasons. and then you had this global pandemic almost kind of five he'd into five minutes after he'd got into office. have deal office. so he did have to deal with a complete with kind of a complete different landscape from the one that he originally inherited. and i think no matter who was the prime minister at that time dunng the prime minister at that time during covid, nobody was going to come off well. but the problem that you've got is a lot of the people that voted boris johnson and some of you johnson and i know some of you will watching tonight , a lot will be watching tonight, a lot of people would have of these people would never have gone a million years, gone tory, in a million years, in a month of sundays, they wouldn't tory they wouldn't have gone. tory they went because of boris went tory because of boris johnson that is the first johnson so that is the first thing their 80 seat thing they got. their 80 seat majority. would prime majority. i would say prime silly because was johnson at silly because it was johnson at the helm and those people poll sophie reaper point those people, feel cheated now

people, they feel cheated now because they sit there. they turned out many of them might have not have even have turned out couldn't out before or couldn't be bothered or disenfranchised or were unrepresented or whatever it out. they it is. they turned out. they gave person their votes. gave that person their votes. and i know we don't have a and yes, i know we don't have a presidential system in this country. how country. before you tell me how it works. notwithstanding it works. but notwithstanding that they voted that people feel that they voted for , they didn't for johnson, they didn't vote for johnson, they didn't vote for and they feel for sunak and they feel disconnected democracy as a result. >> no, i understand that . but i >> no, i understand that. but i would disagree that the vote in 2019 was explicitly a vote for bofis 2019 was explicitly a vote for boris johnson. i think the tories got the messaging right in 2019. i think the whole get brexit done thing and whatever you think about dominic cummings , i think he had a large amount to do with that combined the get brexit done message combined with the levelling up message which was pitched at those red wall areas who had been let down and felt left behind by a labour and felt left behind by a labour and the impacts of globalisation on their lives and free movement and de industrialisation and so on. the tories made all on. and the tories made all sorts of promises to those constituencies getting

constituencies about getting brexit done, about ending free movement, about levelling up all promises have promises frankly, that have turned to look at the most turned to does look at the most recent immigration figures. how many can genuinely say in many people can genuinely say in those that we've those constituencies that we've re industrialised any serious re industrialised in any serious way. it wasn't a vote for way. so it wasn't a vote for johnson, i don't think. >> well, tell me, was it? it >> well, you tell me, was it? it was. you tell me . was. you tell me. >> of people say, well, >> a lot of people say, well, when you at the election when you look at the election and at the position that and we look at the position that we were in in 2019, we saw how often was spoken about in often brexit was spoken about in the i quite frankly, often brexit was spoken about in thei quite frankly, sick of >> i was quite frankly, sick of it. what the people it. we know what the people voted for and it wasn't being implemented. it was being attempted implemented by attempted to be implemented by romania. which romania. prime minister, which was ineffective . was was incredibly ineffective. what see in 2019 is what you did see in 2019 is bofis what you did see in 2019 is boris johnson, who is an incredibly charismatic figure now , i'm afraid i do think we do now, i'm afraid i do think we do agree on on boris johnson on this particular issue here. but i do think that he is an incredibly effective election winner. and that is why the conservative party kept him on for long. it's also why for so long. it's also why polling data shows that boris johnson still quite popular here. >> but what's the what's the

point? he is. what's the point? he is. but what's the point? he is. but what's the point you know, even we point in you know, even if we accept for sake of argument accept for the sake of argument that of that true, what that all of that is true, what is point of being popular at is the point of being popular at the ballot box and attaining power and ascend into a particular position? if when you get there, actually you don't do anything with it and you know , anything with it and you know, you don't really have a clear program . it seems that the only program. it seems that the only reason got there in the reason you've got there in the first place was because of personal as personal ambition. and as i think agree on, you think we would agree on, you know, he had three wasted years. >> i completely agree with looking at the tax burden, looking at the tax burden, looking looking looking at the tax burden, lo> it's that sense of and he tcsense of had to stay at home, >> it's that sense of and he tc sense of entitlement,at home, >> it's that sense of and he tc sense of entitlement, isn'tme, a sense of entitlement, isn't it? it's you know, if you're a laboun it? it's you know, if you're a labour, if a labour labour, if you're a labour person working class person from a working class background, expect to background, you don't expect to become prime minister. if you become prime minister. if you become minister, you become prime minister, you probably think it's by accident. and there you would have and to get there you would have had had those had to have had had one of those prime ministers a while, had prime ministers in a while, had to had a very clear to have had a very clear program. yes but hold on. because which you've been arguing with people for years, which clearly set out program

which is clearly set out program with johnson to push back with boris johnson to push back on point. oxford i'm on that point. an oxford i'm going be the prime minister. going to be the prime minister. that's ingrained that's the ingrained sense of entitlement. that's the ingrained sense of entitlenwhat's wrong with that? >> but what's wrong with that? surely want people, surely you should want people, wherever thinking, wherever you're from, thinking, actually, whatever i want to achieve, i can do it. so why wouldn't you more on wouldn't you focus more on raising rather raising aspiration there? rather than fact that than knocking the fact that he had aspiration? had that aspiration? >> well, look, you >> because, well, look, you can't you can't have a system in a meritocracy if you believe in fairness equality , as we're fairness and equality, as we're always about, and you look always told about, and you look at the list prime ministers at the list of prime ministers this and you see this century and you see the proportion of them that have gone to eton and to believe gone to eton and gone to believe in equality equality is in equality and equality is effectively socialism. >> you the >> you see what you see the number people really talented number of people really talented people who could have ascended to position. to that position. >> because of social >> but because of social mobility, mobility, being what it is, never got the chance, then you have to start questioning, well, my message for you, you've got kids, for you, if you've got kids, grandkids, or you yourself have you thinking, do you you sit there thinking, do you know what? >> be the prime >> i want to be the prime minister of this country? you get that ambition, grab all get that ambition, you grab all that you make that ambition and you make it happen, what you happen, if that is what you want. be careful. what you

want. but be careful. what you wish for is what i would say, michael is flawed michael says boris is a flawed genius, but kent says boris was a buffoon and he sold out the british brexit and british people on brexit and immigration. opinions immigration. mixed opinions coming home. coming from you guys at home. keep thoughts in. keep your thoughts coming in. i want talk to you next about want to talk to you next about university funding and the drink drive this country. drive limit in this country. should it be slashed. you

radio. >> hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with you right through till 7:00 tonight on this friday evening. alongside me, i have the new first communications officer at the institute of economic affairs, reem ibrahim and author, broadcaster and firefighter paul embry, one of my viewers i just explained, you work at a think tank. one of my viewers has been in touch. we're trying to find your name, john. he says think tanks are the biggest in this country. biggest problem in this country. why bit harsh? why is that a bit harsh? >> think that bit harsh. >> i think that is a bit harsh. what we what we to do is to what we what we try to do is to try and argue these ideas try and argue for these ideas and people to listen. but

and allow people to listen. but if disagree with us, that's if you disagree with us, that's totally well there you go. totally okay. well there you go. >> of you is welcome on >> all of you is welcome on dewbs& co right? the archbishop of canterbury that of canterbury said that universities should have their funding they allow people funding cut if they allow people to abused, insulted and to be abused, insulted and excluded. to say, excluded. now, i've got to say, some things are quite some of those things are quite sensible. you know, if i come and punch you in the face because you're talking nonsense , then we would all , then obviously we would all agree i often does. yeah, agree that i often does. yeah, i have abused you. i have. it's a very clear cut thing when you start kind of going down this line of, you know, i might say, well, what are you doing? will you be back on, you know, did it do you might feel insulted and all the rest of it. so firstly, how would you police this how would you even police this stuff? secondly, should the stuff? and secondly, should the funding of unis be attached to it? >> can't it? >> well, you can't you can't police i'm near police it. i'm a near absolutist. say, on free absolutist. i would say, on free speech. of course, there's speech. and of course, there's a difference between physically assaulting difference between physically assaulti is i difference between physically assaultiis unacceptable and just course, is unacceptable and just expressing a particular political or moral view that people happen to disagree with. if you express a political or

moral view and it's a sincerely held view and someone disagrees with that and takes offence at that , then the problem is that, then the problem is theirs. the problem is not yours. now i'm not suggesting it's a nice thing to do to gratuitously go out and insult somebody. why would you want to do that? but if someone takes offence because of your position , then then the problem is theirs . and i just think it's theirs. and i just think it's another intervention from justin welby on the side of woke, let's be honest. and once upon a time the church of england used to be called party at prayer. called the tory party at prayer. it's now the lib dems at prayer. that's the brutal truth of it. and universities and the universities actually should be cauldrons debate . should be cauldrons of debate. they should be places where students are exposed to the widest possible range of ideas, even the most controversial ideas. because what that does, first of all, you're better informed. and secondly , you can informed. and secondly, you can polish. it helps you to polish your own arguments. if you think someone's presented an alternative view, which is challenging, alternative view, which is challenging , actually, it helps challenging, actually, it helps you polish your own arguments in

terms then coming back and terms of then coming back and setting your own case. and setting out your own case. and it that we're kind of it worries me that we're kind of breeding a generation of kids who are coming through universities who are going to be leaders public leaders of our public services captains of industry and so on, who it's acceptable to who think it's acceptable to have view on contentious have one view on contentious issues. that's the mindset . and issues. that's the mindset. and that's really dangerous. >> absolutely . and i think >> absolutely. and i do think that actually that free speech point really important. point is really quite important. it should not be illegal to cause offence should not cause offence and it should not be not have funding be you should not have funding withdrawn this particular withdrawn in this particular instance from the government as a of causing some kind of a result of causing some kind of offence . now, the institute of offence. now, the institute of economic affairs actually published a paper recently about the way that we should fund universal cities. and actually at the moment, the way the system i just leave system works. i did just leave university as well. >> so what you study? >> so what did you study? >> so what did you study? >> studied politics and >> i studied politics and history the london school of history at the london school of economics and effectively these kind do a kind of universities do have a lot a of free speech lot of a kind of free speech crisis where a lot of these professors, are very, professors, where they are very, very sort of liberal in the american sense, they tend to be quite sort remainer and they

quite sort of remainer and they do actually allow and foster that kind of an environment where view is where only one view is particularly allowed . now, this particularly allowed. now, this this paper published this particular paper published by spoke about the way by the iea spoke about the way that we can actually incentivise students to have that kind of accountability with with with professors at the moment the way the funding works universities and the government coyte effectively looking at the money that way. universities and students themselves have absolutely financial absolutely no financial connection , which means that connection, which means that there no accountability for there is no accountability for students for professors. now students and for professors. now if were to fund these if we were to fund these universities very differently, actually, what that would mean universities very differently, acthat y, what that would mean universities very differently, acthat students1at would mean universities very differently, acthat students are nould mean universities very differently, acthat students are ablei mean universities very differently, acthat students are able t0|ean universities very differently, acthat students are able to be1 is that students are able to be accountable the universities accountable to the universities and like how and vice versa, just like how you would at sainsbury's moving moving to asda. if you moving along to asda. if you don't like how they've sort don't like how how they've sort of packaged their products, it's how market if we how the market works. if we marketize universities, we actually lot of actually it solves a lot of this. we've actually got far too many universities. >> my view, should >> we in my view, we should close down half of our universities them universities and convert them to vocational or technical vocational colleges or technical colleges. we've got a serious lack of vocational and technical

skills in these universities. >> have we got well, i bet you don't even know there's been. >> well, i don't know the exact figure, but there's an explosion. >> we've got too many. then if you don't, because a lot of the old the old old a lot of the old polytechnics become became universities was an universities and they're was an explosion the sort of explosion around the sort of 19805, explosion around the sort of 1980s, in the number of universities. >> and blair had this ridiculous idea of forcing 50% of all young people through university. so you've this situation you've now got this situation where are saddled with debt where kids are saddled with debt often, you know, no disrespect to them, but attaining worthless degrees at the end of it that are not actually going to advance them in any in any serious way life or in their serious way in life or in their career. the same time, career. and at the same time, what had is, as i said, what we've had is, as i said, a complete lack of people with vocational skills vocational and technical skills to degree where we're to the degree where we're relying on cheap imported labour to shortfall . and to plug the shortfall. and that's why we should. well, i think part problem with think part of the problem with that respect is fact that that respect is the fact that we've got 5.3 million people now out of work benefits not working we've got 5.3 million people now out that'sk benefits not working we've got 5.3 million people now out that's why1efits not working we've got 5.3 million people now out that's why we're not working we've got 5.3 million people now out that's why we're having king we've got 5.3 million people now out that's why we're having t01g and that's why we're having to pull migrants from across the pull in migrants from across the world to fill in that

world in order to fill in that vacancy gap. >> real problem is that our >> the real problem is that our benefit keep those people benefit system keep those people on and incentivise them on benefits and incentivise them to reliant the state to stay reliant on the state rather than getting into work for those people would say, hang on a minute, she's talking about me work because me bakhmut go to work because i'm ill. >> t- >> that's fine. >> that's fine. >> are definitely people >> there are definitely people that ill. there are also that are ill. there are also definitely people on benefits that shut down. that shouldn't be shut down. >> universities convert >> half the universities convert them technical vocational them to technical and vocational colleges tuition colleges and bring back tuition fees who do to university. >> they go, do you agree with that? at 160, university is apparently. i'd love say that apparently. i'd love to say that i that off the top my head. i knew that off the top my head. but don't. someone just told but i don't. someone just told me i must but in case me i must confess. but in case you're wondering there you're wondering how many there are, you go. that is are, then there you go. that is your answer. now let's talk, boo, shall we? it's friday night. ask you a very night. let me ask you a very simple question. in this country, of united country, much of the united kingdom, anyway, have the kingdom, anyway, we have the highest drink drive limit across europe . some people now saying europe. some people now saying that it needs to be slashed, arguing perhaps that zero. absolutely zero alcohol in your system should be the limit before you get in the car. what

says you .

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remember him, joins me, as does the , broadcaster and the author, broadcaster and firefighter embry. well, firefighter paul embry. well, it's friday night, so that means that drew bridge tavern is open. so cheers, everybody. we're like a new face, don't we? cheers. cheers to you, too. cheers. everybody home. so soon as we everybody at home. so soon as we are drinking, let's talk about drinking, shall we? because the british medical association is lobbying the government lower lobbying the government to lower england and wales. drink, drive, limit. now just to give you some context here, we currently have the highest legal limit in europe at 80mg per 100ml of blood . i've got to say, if i am blood. i've got to say, if i am completely honest, if you put a gun to my head and asked me, michelle, you must get the answer right. what exactly can you drink? i'm not sure i would know, but i can always gauge it as being about, i don't know, a glass of wine, but some people would then say, well, you know , would then say, well, you know, how big is the glass? and therefore that is where the ambiguity comes from, doesn't it 7 ambiguity comes from, doesn't it ? so some people are asking it's

about reduce so just about time to reduce it. so just to you an example, to give you an example, slovakia, hungary, czech republic, there is republic, the limit there is zero. scotland of course, they move theirs down to 50 fairly recently. where are you on this? >> so i don't think that we should reduce the limit at all. i think that generally speaking, we be trusting people to we should be trusting people to make decisions make clever decisions themselves. course, they themselves. of course, they don't to get don't want themselves to get into kind of accidents into these kind of accidents when scotland when we're looking at scotland as particular example , they when we're looking at scotland as reduce ticular example , they when we're looking at scotland as reduce it:ular example , they when we're looking at scotland as reduce it to ar example , they when we're looking at scotland as reduce it to 505xample , they when we're looking at scotland as reduce it to 50 and ple , they when we're looking at scotland as reduce it to 50 and they they did reduce it to 50 and they predicted that it would actually reduce the number of traffic accidents it didn't. so but accidents and it didn't. so but effectively did do is effectively what it did do is it had unintended had these unintended consequences pubs. you consequences on local pubs. you know, very easy in london know, it's very easy in london to jump on the tube if you've had a few too many to drink. but if you're in sort of these slightly more countryside or slightly more the countryside or if in areas where you if you're in areas where you have to drive these local pubs, rely those people that drive rely on those people that drive to the pub and effectively what this actually this regulation actually did and reducing this regulation actually did and redu a1g this regulation actually did and redu a lot of those local this regulation actually did and redua lot of those local pubs that a lot of those local pubs had to close down a lot of them actually ended up losing a lot of this is of their revenue. so this is effectively another government policy local pub

policy which is reduce local pub culture and i think that's a shame to agree . shame to agree. >> no , what i was getting a bit >> no, what i was getting a bit confused where we're going with that. >> there. go on. >> no, i don't agree. i think that i've been a firefighter. i've been to incidents where people have had car crashes caused as a result of drink driving . it seems to me that the driving. it seems to me that the law is completely outdated, has not been updated since 1967. we are out of kilter with the rest of europe. some european countries have zero tolerance, some have 20mg, some have 50. ours is still up at 80. i think the data shows that actually there is more chance of causing an accident. >> what data? well i think well, the data from scotland shows that it didn't reduce british medical association have produced data showing that there is, i think, a two point almost almost a 2.27. >> i think it is if i get my facts right, 27% increase on on the chances of having an accident if you are driving with

that particular limit 18 mill compared to somebody who isn't drinking now against that background and i don't think necessarily you need to be a scientist to understand that if you're if you're driving in with 80mg in your blood of alcohol, then your reflexes are impaired and actually you are not as capable as you would be if you were not driving at all with alcohol . so and you know, the alcohol. so and you know, the logic of your argument, i think, is to say, well, okay, do you think 100 mill would be acceptable? do you think 200mg we stop? we should stop? >> i think we the government at the moment and we saw this with buy get one banning, buy the moment and we saw this with buy get get one banning, buy the moment and we saw this with buy get get free.)anning, buy one, get one free. >> the government seem to think one, get one free. >> tactually'nment seem to think one, get one free. >> tactually this�*nt seem to think one, get one free. >> tactually this nannyn to think one, get one free. >> tactually this nanny statism 1k that actually this nanny statism where they effectively tell people they can and cannot people what they can and cannot do actually quite do i think it's actually quite insulting. are clever insulting. people are clever enough. well actually, i would argue we shouldn't have a limit at all, but i think that's not telling me. >> you're telling me i could go for a night out now. i could go right? me and you. let's go. we'll go pub right now.

we'll go to the pub right now. we'll go to the pub right now. we'll go. shots, shots, shots. we'll go. shots, shots, shots. we'll do the tequila, and then you'll you know you'll go. michel, you know what? to you what? i'm going to drive you home. and think that that home. and you think that that should be allowed. >> so do think you >> so do you think that you would a car with me if would get in a car with me if i had five shots of vodka? if i was pretty hammered, i might think was a good idea. think it was a good idea. >> yeah. i don't think i think you're clever enough to know that is is pedestrians that that is that is pedestrians walking you're walking down the road who you're whizzing past. >> absolutely. your and >> absolutely. off your face and driving weapon. driving a lethal weapon. >> again, think i think we >> so again, i think i think we need look the evidence need to look at the evidence here than just trying to here rather than just trying to introduce more government regulation for sake it. regulation for the sake of it. we happened in scotland. >> we're testing theory. >> we're testing your theory. you're saying that in you're saying that actually in in know, why have in theory, you know, why have a limit? heartedly limit? i whole heartedly disagree i'll never disagree with that. i'll never forget years i'm going forget years and years i'm going back now, me and my back years now, me and my mother, it's only by the grace of that we're here. we were of god that we're here. we were standing in the middle. you know, you've got like know, when you've got like a two part a in part road, you've got a bit in the middle. and we were still in a bit of a middle waiting to cross. and this car came off this roundabout. mounted the this roundabout. it mounted the roundabout and it honestly nearly and mother

nearly wiped me and my mother out. only i don't out. and it was only i don't even know how it did it. we managed to get out of the way and i'm talking about it felt like millimetres no like millimetres and there is no way that guy could have way that that guy could have been sober or not on been either sober or not on something. i just think something. and i just think people, drink too much people, if you drink too much and the people and here's the problem. people respond to alcohol differently. so if you're like so some people if you're like a big massive you can have big massive guy, you can have about, know, a couple of about, i don't know, a couple of dnnks about, i don't know, a couple of drinks maybe, and be absolutely fine. tiny fine. if you're like a tiny stick you could have stick thin girl, you could have a glass of wine be a small glass of wine and be like of your megxit you very like out of your megxit you very quickly. >> so, i mean, that particular instance sounds horrible, but do you that particular you think that particular individual drank over the 80 milligram because they individual drank over the 80 milltheni because they individual drank over the 80 millthen the because they individual drank over the 80 millthen the law3ecause they individual drank over the 80 millthen the law is:ause they individual drank over the 80 millthen the law is entirelythey did, then the law is entirely pointless. yeah, but the thing is though, people push boundaries, is though, people push b0lsoaries, might think, >> so someone might think, right, legally have one right, i can legally have one drink. you know i'll drink. so you know what? i'll have an one for the road have an extra one for the road anyway, i'll tell you this because look at the time flies apparently. 549 were apparently. dodi 549 people were killed by drunk killed in the uk by drunk drivers drivers. so i'm to drivers drivers. so i'm going to leave ponder that on your leave you to ponder that on your friday where do stand friday night. where do you stand when comes to drink drive when it comes to drink drive limits? say, limits? i've got to say, personally, do it is a

personally, i do think it is a little bit unclear because who really knows what these 80 and hundreds what who even knows what is? it should what that is? surely it should just drink or no drink? just be one drink or no drink? i don't know. you tell me. but look, flies. paul rhiannon, look, time flies. paul rhiannon, thank also, john thank you very much. also, john says, very small business says, i'm a very small business owner think your show, owner and i think your show, michel, best thing that's michel, is the best thing that's ever happened uk today. ever happened in the uk today. can't you're only saying can't believe you're only saying today. the two today. what about the last two years? yeah. are you saying years? yeah. why are you saying ever your best thing ever in ever in your best thing ever in the anyway? you know the lifetime anyway? you know what? take the compliment. what? i'll take the compliment. i appreciate and i appreciate all listening. all of you watching. listening. don't pack shows don't go anywhere. pack shows coming up, but i'll see you on monday night. >> with boxed >> a brighter outlook with boxed solar. of weather solar. proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> hello again. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office. with the gb news forecast, a sunny and hot weekend at first for some before the inevitable thundery breakdown and much fresher conditions arrive from the atlantic . we've got a couple of atlantic. we've got a couple of areas of low pressure spinning out to the west of the uk. they're helping to draw up this increased heat and humidity before they send some weather

fronts and we see this fronts in. and we see this thundery breakdown later saturday and into sunday. but before that happens, a clear and dry night for many. we will see the cloud thicken across wales in south—west and some in the south—west and some showers push devon and showers will push into devon and cornwall but it's a cornwall by dawn. but it's a muqqy cornwall by dawn. but it's a muggy are. muggy night wherever you are. 17, 18, 19 celsius, fairly widely, even in the north of scotland and mid teens are possible. but a fine start for scotland and for much of england. first thing saturday, sunny skies, temperatures shooting up, but the showers in the southwest will quickly push into central areas, developing into central areas, developing into an intense area of thundery rain by the afternoon with the risk of localised flooding , risk of localised flooding, large hail and frequent lightning, particularly towards the midlands into northern england and southern scotland later, but ahead of that rain could reach low 30s in east could reach the low 30s in east anglia, much fresher conditions arrive by the start of sunday. any thundery rain clearing for the of scotland, but the north of scotland, but further weather further spells of wet weather likely brush past south—east past south—east likely to brush past south—east england before some heavy likely to brush past south—east england before some heavy showers and thunderstorms showers and

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