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them. then bushra sheikh , them. then bushra sheikh, political commentator and paul connew , author and former editor connew, author and former editor of the sunday mirror, will talk about keir starmer's u—turns. plus we get a sneak peek. there he is , sir. sir keir. fence he is, sir. sir keir. fence sitter. plus, we get a sneak peek at boris johnson's mail column tomorrow that shows he's on the warpath over ulez. talking of which, on motorists fighting back because ulez has beenin fighting back because ulez has been in court this week. and overin been in court this week. and over in cambridge , a new over in cambridge, a new conservative councillor, one on an anti congestion charge ticket. so where does that leave ulez? in ticket. so where does that leave ulez.7 in london as well as similar schemes in bath , oxford similar schemes in bath, oxford and birmingham . now as ever, of and birmingham. now as ever, of course you are my third panellist. please get in touch on all of the topics, particularly how safe do you feel in britain? vaiews@gbnews.com that's all coming up. plus that's after the latest news headlines with ray addison . thanks martin.

addison. thanks martin. >> here's the latest from the newsroom in our top story, the gunman who killed a beautician outside a pub in merseyside on christmas eve has been sentenced to life and will serve a minimum of 48 years for her murder. 26 year old ellie edwards was killed by connor chapman outside the lighthouse pub in the wirral last year. the 23 year old fired 12 shots from a submachine gun, injuring several others , before injuring several others, before fleeing the scene. chapman was found guilty after a three and a half week trial at liverpool liverpool crown court. ellie's father, tim edwards, spoke after the sentencing. thankfully now he's got 48 years and hopefully he's got 48 years and hopefully he never sees christmas again . he never sees christmas again. >> and if i'm lucky enough to still be around for a long time, yeah, i will do my best to make sure he never comes out of jail i >> -- >>aman >> a man who killed a mother and her two young daughters by setting fire to their flat in

nottingham has been jailed for life and will serve a minimum term of 44 years. 31 year old jamie barrow was found guilty of murdering his neighbour , murdering his neighbour, fatoumata haidara and her daughters, fatima and nima in clifton last year . the court clifton last year. the court heard that he poured petrol through their letterbox before setting it alight and watching the fire take hold. abu bakr drama husband of fatoumata, spoke after sentencing . spoke after sentencing. >> today is not a happy day for us. batus sentence does not bnng us. batus sentence does not bring them back . however, bring them back. however, justice has been done and we will never be able to and he will never be able to and he will never be able to inflict the pain he has caused our family on anyone else . family on anyone else. >> an eight year old girl and a 40 year old woman remain in a life threatening condition in hospital following yesterday's crash at a school in wimbledon. another eight year old girl was killed after a land rover crashed through a fence and into the study prep school . the

the study prep school. the dnven the study prep school. the driver, a 46 year old woman, arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving, has now been bailed pending further enquiries . now been bailed pending further enquiries. more than 300 people were intercepted in small boats in the english channel in the early hours of this morning . early hours of this morning. it's the first crossing in seven days following poor weather . gb days following poor weather. gb news understands that the boats pushed off from a 60 mile stretch of the french coastline on from dunkirk to boulogne . it on from dunkirk to boulogne. it bnngs on from dunkirk to boulogne. it brings the total number of crossings so far this year to over 11,700. we're on tv online, on dab+ radio and on tune in to this is gb news. back now to . this is gb news. back now to. martin on this day on july the 7th,

2005. >> for islamist terrorists exploded, suicide bombs on the london transport network, killing 52 and injuring more than 770 others. ordinary londoners simply trying to get to work at rush hour were obliterated and maimed and scarred forever. it was britain's worst terrorist atrocity since the lockerbie bombing in 1988. and may they all rest in peace . world leaders all rest in peace. world leaders issued a joint statement read by then prime minister tony blair condemn utterly these barbaric attacks . attacks. >> all of our countries have suffered from the impact of terrorism . those responsible terrorism. those responsible will have no respect for human life . life. >> london mourned on the streets. police were armed. snipers sniper units tailed at least 12 known al—qaeda operatives on british soil with

orders of shoot to kill. new laws were rushed through to outlaw the encouragement and instigation of terrorism , with instigation of terrorism, with promises to tackle a radical islam that was poisoning british mosques and british minds. islam that was poisoning british mosques and british minds . and mosques and british minds. and while three of the terrorists were british born sons of pakistani immigrants who sickeningly praised osama bin laden as a beloved hero, blair flagged the emerging threat of overseas terrorists arriving on our shores just eight days after the attack. blair promised fresh moves to stop extremists entering the uk and stronger powers to deport them. yet blair's words ring hollow in 2023. right now, we know that there are at least 19 suspected terrorists in the uk who've entered illegally via dinghies. they're affiliated with some of the most murderous groups in the entire world, including isis. yet instead of deporting them, we're putting them up in four star hotels and you're paying

for that. and lefty lawyers are blocking their deportation . yet blocking their deportation. yet today, the 77 anniversary wasn't even mentioned on the bbc or sky news home pages. the bbc instead chose to point out that 77 is actually international kissing day, and they illustrated that with a picture of two lesbians embrace kissing. all too often, the establishment media looks the establishment media looks the other way when stories don't fit their narrative. it's a similar tale every year on the anniversary of the brutal murder of lee rigby, again by islamist terrorists , perhaps the media's terrorists, perhaps the media's reluctance to mark these painful anniversaries while falling over themselves to mock correctly the murder of stephen lawrence is because these suspects, these stories upset their holy worldview. the worldview that the multicultural dream can sometimes turn into a nightmare that's unfettered immigration and the resulting ghettoisation of the uk has, in some cases

caused division and the perfect breeding ground for radicalisation. and even grooming gangs and the risk. all of this surely increases when the media, the police and politicians appear to turn a blind eye for fear of being called racist . but by ignoring called racist. but by ignoring painful events like seven over seven, they not only betray the memories of the dead, the injured and the families and friends who still to this day mourn their loss on this painful anniversary. their silence gives cover to the enemies who walk in the shadows among us. their silence increases the likelihood of these tragic events happening on british soil again. of these tragic events happening on british soil again . their on british soil again. their silence shames us . all so silence shames us. all so tonight i am asking you how safe is britain? get in touch. email gb views at gb news. com or of course, tweeters at gb news. so

how likely is a repeat of a terror attack like seven over seven on british soil just ten days ago? iraqi intelligence officials emerged that terrorists from islamic state had been plotting to carry out a large scale atrocity in the united kingdom. iraqi intelligence officials have revealed. well, joining me now to discuss this is will geddes security specialist and ceo of threat management firm inaya national corporate protection group. good evening to you, will, and thank you forjoining will, and thank you for joining us. so i'd like to start what is the current terror rating in the uk and how does that compare to normal ? normal? >> well, the threat level right now, martin, is at substantial, which means that a terrorist attack is likely . now, that is attack is likely. now, that is it's a sort of midway point between the highest and the lowest levels. so the security services and the anti—terrorism police and the various agencies , obviously, that contribute the intelligence that then forms this threat level are putting it

at a very medium level. now, this is evidently something that they have to be very conscious of and have been especially conscious of, obviously since the tragic events of seven over seven when they under estimated the potential threat that was going to materialise . so since going to materialise. so since that time, the threat level has adjusted and like any good threat level system, it needs to adjust because it will have no value to anybody if people can't see that it's fluctuating and understanding at times when they can be vigilant or when they should be vigilant because nobody can remain hyper vigilant at all times . at all times. >> well, we heard at the start of the show there that tony blair and the immediate aftermath, just ten days after the attack on seven over seven, promised tough new laws to protect our borders and to deport known terrorists. yet we know at the moment there are at least 19 terrorists in the uk who entered the country illegally via dinghies. who entered the country illegally via dinghies . where do illegally via dinghies. where do we go so wrong? where do we go so soft on terrorism ? so soft on terrorism? >> well, to be honest, i'm not

involved in the legislation. unfortunately i pick up the pieces where that legislation falls, falls short, and it's only falls foul in terms of enabung only falls foul in terms of enabling individuals that can exploit and opportune by the weaknesses that there are in place. one of the biggest challenges and i think one can't forget that the various agencies involved in not only the counter—terrorism efforts , but counter—terrorism efforts, but also those within the border force have been trying incredibly hard to try and prevent, obviously , and kerb the prevent, obviously, and kerb the number of individuals that are illegally getting into the country . but one of the country. but one of the considerable risks is that there are not only those that innocently want to come and take asylum in this country, a great country but there are country of ours, but there are inevitably going to be those with who want to with mal intent who want to infiltrate back into the united kingdom to carry out whatever actions they they may choose. now the 19 that you mention is a very , very small percentage of very, very small percentage of those that are actually on the current watch list . and the current watch list. and the constant challenge that the

security services and counter—terrorism policing have is in prioritise , seeing who is in prioritise, seeing who they believe could be the potentially greatest threat . so potentially greatest threat. so that list will adjust in terms of those subjects of interest that will be focussed on. but as technology is enhanced and improved and certainly that's come a long way in the last 18 years, we're now in a position where technology can take a good dominance in terms of intercepting communications , of intercepting communications, of identifying chatter and certainly working with our partners overseas to try and find out what we can do to try and prevent those coming into the country that really do have terrorist intent. >> okay . well, let's cut to the >> okay. well, let's cut to the chase here. we know there are 19, but there the ones that have been fingerprinted previously in different countries, it just happened our happened to show up on our system. know that some system. we also know that some 98% of people arriving on our shores illegally via dinghies don't even have passports or any credible documentation to prove who they are. so let's be honest. we don't know who's coming in the country and surely

it stands to reason that if so many thousands of military age young men are coming in with no documentation of of who documentation of proof of who they , and then malicious they are, and then malicious intent be there. and the intent must be there. and the terror, the terror threat to britain must increased . britain must be increased. >> well, yes, it would be. certainly in terms of those that are connecting with other individuals already established individuals already established in the country and very rarely will we see individuals that will we see individuals that will then come into the country and try and establish a cell, although that does happen in. we do also have the lone actors and we've seen many of those over the last years. mean, there the last 18 years. i mean, there have been 21 notable terrorist incidents since seven over seven incidents since seven over seven in this country. however for the number that are thwarted by the security services and foiled at the very late stages of those plans have been considerable sight. more than that . and sight. more than that. and certainly in terms of the notable ones to disclose one, there have been 15 disclosed major, major terrorist plots that have been foiled. but the concern , as you rightly say, is concern, as you rightly say, is

those that come into the country with no identification , that with no identification, that have been smuggled in, that have been able to establish themselves in this country, i think the greater risk, i think probably most people are concerned about is general criminality . now, that's not to criminality. now, that's not to diminish or dilute the terrorism aspect, because the islamic state are certainly a prevalent and more prominent threat than even al—qaeda. are these days, certainly here in the united kingdom. but it's the standard criminality and quite often, again, joining the dots together, you will get many of those that commit terrorist acts that will have had a grounding in some low level criminality beforehand . beforehand. >> and yeah, absolutely. now, if we continue the strand of logic here, will if the threat to our peace and safety is increased because we don't know who's here, then all the politicians and the ngos and the charities and the ngos and the charities and the ngos and the charities and the lawyers who facilitate the arrival and block the deportation action of these individuals , are they individuals, are they exacerbating and increasing the uk security threat ?

uk security threat? >> i think they are . but i think >> i think they are. but i think where the complexities are is within the legislation and within the legislation and within the legislation and within the legal framework of human rights and those that are entitled to a fairer asylum. and i don't believe anybody is necessarily opposed to a fair asylum of someone who is going to come to this country and contribute in a positive way to the economy , to the community the economy, to the community and everything else. now one of the things which is greatly enhanced , certainly since 2005 enhanced, certainly since 2005 has been the various communities of those foreign nationals that have come over that are embedded within their community. we are working with those communities who are self—policing. many of them are reporting those that have mal intent to the authorities , and they're working authorities, and they're working collaboratively within this country as part of our nation to assist and ensure that those other individuals that may be from their previous countries are not coming here and going to cause harm . so, you know, it's cause harm. so, you know, it's a complex situation. yes, there are ngos which are opposing

deportations, but the grounds of those deportations are very flimsy in terms of some of those individuals that may be entitled . and but also they're very flimsy in terms of the government in being able to extricate those individuals and send them back to their home nation, which is probably those home nations in regards are home nations in many regards are probably grateful to get probably quite grateful to get rid surely we if they are >> but surely if we if they are known terrorists with with links to the islamic state , i mean, to the islamic state, i mean, what more evidence do you need to deport an individual back to their home nation? >> well, again, i agree with you entirely. and as to the legal frameworks, martin, i'm probably not the best guy to ask about international law. my field is security . but certainly in terms security. but certainly in terms of the resources that the security services and the counter—terrorism police have, you know, they can monitor these individuals to see whether they are undertaking preparations or planning or propagating any sort of propaganda for their

particular agenda or their terrorism group. and ultimately , you know, it's those individuals that only once they've got that evidence and in our fair and just legal system , our fair and just legal system, which, you know, we're all potentially vulnerable to or protect by, depending on your perspective , they have to have perspective, they have to have that sufficient evidence to present to say this individual does have mal intent and they can, with justification, deport them . so it's a very complicated them. so it's a very complicated matter. i don't think i necessarily agree with it. martin as it currently stands and i think you and i are like minded in that regard, but that we have one of the best legal systems in the world. but sadly, it can be played against us. >> and it seems to be toothless in the face of overriding evidence. one question for evidence. one final question for you , will, succinctly, you you, will, succinctly, if you could. one of the clampdowns blair promised was on radical islamism that was poisoning mosques and young minds with your the ground . from an your ear on the ground. from an intelligence , how intelligence perspective, how successful do you think that work been dangerous work has been and how dangerous do threat is from do you think the threat is from islamist terrorists within the uk still day ?

uk? still to this day? >> well, that's two parts, martin. i'll cover the first part, which is really in terms of the success in clamping down on islamic groups . that, on radical islamic groups. that, again, goes back to the point i was making earlier about those communities working in hand communities working hand in hand with the authorities to obviously report and assist and support any intelligence acas and that's not snitching. it's simply saying there are individuals here who are going to same brush. to tar us with the same brush. but the side, do we but on the second side, do we still face a threat? absolutely. without a question. but it's not something people something that people necessarily at the front of necessarily have at the front of their mind every single day unless shows this unless they see shows like this which them that that which remind them that that threat does still prevail . so, threat does still prevail. so, you we're not out of the you know, we're not out of the woods or form yet woods by any shape or form yet until we get some of until we get some sort of process in place to ensure that those that do have a history and can be recorded and are documented from their home nafions documented from their home nations and have association to terrorist groups can be deported with that threat will prevail. >> okay. thank you . we'll get a >> okay. thank you. we'll get a thanks for having us on the show. we'll have to leave it

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>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> welcome back to the show. i'm martin daubney in for laurence fox will join me in the studio now is bushra shaikh , political now is bushra shaikh, political commentator and anti—racism campaigner and author and former newspaper editor paul connew . so newspaper editor paul connew. so good evening to you both. i want to start on the story of how safe is britain . we've been safe is britain. we've been talking the anniversary of talking on the anniversary of seven over seven. paul, i'd like to turn you first, it to turn to you first, because it really struck me today as a journalist at 28 years myself, a shocking lack of coverage in the mainstream media about this anniversary . i want to put it to anniversary. i want to put it to you as a former newspaperman. what do newspapers and tv channels have an agenda when it comes to what they report? because it seems to me they like to turn a blind eye to the anniversary for example, of lee rigby's murder and the anniversary of 77. but they have much royal reports on much happily royal reports on

things like stephen lawrence does have agenda? does the media have an agenda? are they turning a blind eye for fear being racists? fear of being called racists? >> with you on one >> i agree with you on one point, martin. and that's that this wasn't covered at all, really, in any of the of the newspapers or across the broadcast media today, which i think is an omission . but it think is an omission. but it wasn't it's not down to the right wing press or the left wing press. the liberal press or the conservative press. i just think it's a short termism. i mean, i've got a vivid memory of this, both journalistically and because i began that day , july because i began that day, july the 7th, that day , escorting my the 7th, that day, escorting my young two young sons as a parent, helping on a school trip when we came very close to being well, we were caught up in it. but luckily weren't weren't on the tube we were aiming for. so i've got vivid memories of this. so i'm a little biased. it should have it should have got more attention in the media. but i don't think it's one where it was liberal media ignoring was the liberal media ignoring it because it wasn't in the

daily mail, it wasn't in the daily mail, it wasn't in the daily express or the daily telegraph so it's not telegraph today. so it's not it's whether you're it's not about whether you're left or right, liberal or conservative. >> well, how true is that, bushra? because i mean, here we are on gb news, you know, talking about this, a conversation think it's conversation where i think it's important . absolutely. do important. absolutely. and i do believe that the media would rather turn. we've seen it with believe that the media would rath police, we've seen it with believe that the media would rath police, with le seen it with believe that the media would rath police, with politiciansvith the police, with politicians around gangs around grooming gangs in rotherham. believe rotherham. certainly, i believe that people would rather look away when a story like this upsets narrative of i mean, upsets the narrative of i mean, you argue the case that you could argue the case that i mean, the whole general media has a responsibility to report accurately, and that also includes stories that are going to upset people , you know, to upset people, you know, because having the media is about the truth, what's actually happening out there, what is affecting regular people's daily lives that that lives so that that responsibility is there. lives so that that res|and bility is there. lives so that that res|and the :y is there. lives so that that res|and the fact there. lives so that that res|and the fact thate. lives so that that res|and the fact that we haven't >> and the fact that we haven't seen much of being reported, seen much of it being reported, perhaps there is , you know, this perhaps there is, you know, this this kind of this kind of conversation that exists that we can't have conversation, you can't have the conversation, you know, which is why the media are not talking it enough, not talking about it enough, because worried about,

not talking about it enough, bectknow, worried about, not talking about it enough, bectknow, what worried about, not talking about it enough, bectknow, what the ried about, not talking about it enough, bectknow, what the public out, not talking about it enough, bectknow, what the public might you know, what the public might turn around and say and you are talking about racism and, you know, ostracising certain groups. but if you feel like that, you can still talk about it. we cannot censor the media. they have to report accurately and they have to put the right stories out. >> i don't think this is censorship. i think i think in a sense it's laziness or just short termism. you know, so they're looking back in that they're not looking back in that direction. the that direction. but the idea that it's sort of a political decision , you know, to not look decision, you know, to not look back at july the 7th, i just don't buy that. i just think it's you know, you could you could argue it's bad editorial judgement, not sinister judgement, but it's not sinister in the sense it's in the sense that it's censorship or well, it's to bury it . it. >> is that the case? i mean, you could say it shows a lack could say that it shows a lack of focus on priorities. i mean, to me, this is a story of huge priority and of national significance . the fact it didn't significance. the fact it didn't occur to editors at the bbc in particular, i think is shocking. but accept . we heard but we must accept. we heard from the rotherham grooming gangs that media and

gangs report that the media and politicians were complicit in the fear of how those stories would be perceived as racist , the fear of how those stories would be perceived as racist, as islamophobic. there was self—censorship . and all i'm self—censorship. and all i'm saying is i think there is certainly today i've been contacted by a lot of veteran groups that i'm a part of saying that they felt very, very offended that this hadn't been deau offended that this hadn't been dealt with with respect i dealt with with the respect i, i can i respect that that opinion personally . personally. >> if i've been editing, i would have found room somewhere to look that's look at it. but that's a question judgement. question of editorial judgement. i think we i don't think i don't think we i don't think we're talking about censorship or decision . let's or a conscious decision. let's not in any way look back on july the 7th, you know , i'm glad you the 7th, you know, i'm glad you are doing it, but but i don't think we should read too much into this in sinister term. okay. >> let's move on to we had will geddes on anti—terror expert a moment ago and i specifically put it to him is the is the threat of terror attack in the uk being increased by the fact we have 98% of people arriving illegally to this country don't have documentation. we don't

know they are . there are at know who they are. there are at least known terrorists least 19 known terrorists walking amongst us. and said walking amongst us. and he said yes, the terror threat is being increased by ostensibly open borders. i mean, look, that would obviously sense if would obviously make sense if you who's coming into you don't know who's coming into your you don't your country and you don't know who are, technically who they are, then technically it would mean that that terrorism threat to grow. >> w mean, for me, >> so, i mean, ideally for me, from my perspective, this is all about processing system about the processing system and it's about understanding who these are, so when these people are, right? so when we the boats we we talk about the boats and we talk immigration, need talk about immigration, we need to what to start establishing what that process going to look like. process is going to look like. if have people coming in if you have got people coming in and services will and intelligence services will of course be involved because they know who these individuals are. information that are. this is information that even we're privy to that we even we're not privy to that we don't surprises don't know. and what surprises me, is what i did want me, actually, is what i did want to take it to is even when we talk when look about talk about when we look about the arena the manchester arena bomb attack, attack attack, that terrorist attack intelligence about this intelligence knew about this individual. okay. and they could have stopped it. they even apologised it. so we apologised about it. so when we talk immigration , we talk apologised about it. so when we talk national|igration , we talk apologised about it. so when we talk national security , we talk about national security, we talk about national security, we talk about the security services. if they know there is a threat

amongst these people, they should doing something about should be doing something about it. so those two things need to exist. >> manchester was a was a huge failure the intelligence failure by the intelligence services. honest about services. let's be honest about it. but our intelligence services have got a good record generally. but they but there are failures and that was a massive , monumental failure . massive, monumental failure. >> but in the immediate aftermath of seven over seven, tony blair, then prime minister, within days, promised a clampdown on people arriving to our shores illegally. and also a huge revving up to deport known terrorists . that patently isn't terrorists. that patently isn't happening if we have at least 19 known terrorists amongst us who aren't being deported somewhere along the line, paul, we've gone badly wrong . badly wrong. >> i'm not sure how solid the information is about the 19, but but yes, yes, without doubt , but yes, yes, without doubt, there are going to be people who slip into the country who are who are dangerous. and that's one of the challenges for the intelligence services. and for the police. but i'd also argue i'd also argue, though, that one of the problems is that until we

have a proper asylum system, checking system, we're not going to beat the gangs operating the small boats . and that that is small boats. and that that is thatis small boats. and that that is that is the problem. and short of actually preventing any sort of actually preventing any sort of immigration. but how you do that or any migration is you know is a is a huge question mark. we need we need immigration action. what we need there is a proper structure there, but we don't need terrorists. >> we don't need we don't need we don't terrorists amongst we don't need terrorists amongst . saying is now we . and what i'm saying is now we seem to a systemic failure seem to have a systemic failure to deport known agitators . btec to deport known agitators. btec tony blair promises in on 77 bakhmut to happen in 2005. to this day, we're not doing that. we've lost our way. >> okay, fine. and the thing is, eveni >> okay, fine. and the thing is, even i will speak of this and it's to it's really important to understand and understand that even for me and our communities, keep our communities, that we keep our communities, that we keep our country safe. not want our country safe. i do not want terrorists coming across, coming in boats and coming across. in the boats and coming across. nobody does. what nobody does. so what we're actually we don't

actually saying here is we don't want to vilify discriminate want to vilify and discriminate and discriminate. sorry, against migration . that's not what we're migration. that's not what we're trying to do. and i feel like there this amplified terror there is this amplified terror or fear that by talking about it, we're going to make people feel that all migrants are these criminals. but then on the other hand , we do need to have the hand, we do need to have the processing . and somebody like processing. and somebody like tony blair, who said that those processing would be processing systems would be there are not. we there and available are not. we have to then do something about it, if they come, it, which means if they come, you've got to send them back, you've got to send them back, you've got to send them away. we cannot in. i'm cannot have them in. i'm a labour supporter and broadly speaking, blair admirer speaking, a tony blair admirer with the exception of iraq. >> and we part of the problems we've got now are the legacy of our of our own flawed involvement in iraq. >> okay. >> okay. >> that's interesting that that has been sort of looked at and dismissed by inquiries over the years. are we really talking about britain's historic involvement in wars causing

terror threats today , or are we terror threats today, or are we simply conflating that with the idea that we simply have no idea who's coming into the country? and even when we do know that they are terrorists, we are we are provably failing to deport them. and as will geddes just said, ramping up. and said, that is ramping up. and i totally agree with what you're saying. we know who the saying. but if we know who the bad eggs are, we should get rid of bad eggs. rest of the bad eggs. then the rest of the bad eggs. then the rest of the bad eggs. then the rest of the of the people won't of the rest of the people won't be tarred with that same brush. of the rest of the people won't be tuntil with that same brush. of the rest of the people won't be tuntil wit d01at same brush. of the rest of the people won't be tuntil wit do that, me brush. of the rest of the people won't be tuntil wit do that, we brush. of the rest of the people won't be tuntil wit do that, we havel. but until we do that, we have this fear. but until we do that, we have thisand fear. but until we do that, we have thisand thenfear. but until we do that, we have thisand then comes the mechanism >> and then comes the mechanism for how you get rid for how how you how you get rid of you you of them when you when you identify them. of them when you when you ideiwell, hem. of them when you when you ideiwell, you. of them when you when you ideiwell, you just have to send >> well, you just have to send them back. if you have any inclination that person them back. if you have any inclin'be n that person them back. if you have any inclin'be a that person them back. if you have any inclin'be a terrorist, person them back. if you have any inclin'be a terrorist, aerson could be a terrorist, a mechanism sending back, mechanism for sending them back, put plane and send put them on a plane and send them where they came from. >> isn't that deportation >> isn't that what deportation is half time? is half the time? >> you don't know where they came from. so which is which is catch came from. so which is which is cat< ultimately, came from. so which is which is cat> ultimately, honestly, this is what i believe. i believe that bofis what i believe. i believe that boris shut the safe boris shut down the safe pathways countries where pathways in many countries where people go in people could actually go to in their country and have a their own country and have a processing system, which means that could be you know, that they could be you know, they could apply by could

they could apply by and we could check before they check these people before they got here. those things have gone okay. >> we have we to leave okay. >> we have we have to leave it there. great balanced debate. >> we have we have to leave it theius great balanced debate. >> we have we have to leave it theius knowrt balanced debate. >> we have we have to leave it theius knowrt balance thinkate. >> we have we have to leave it theius knowrt balance think out let us know what you think out there. failed as a there. have we failed as a country? we failed to country? have we failed to deliver the promise that deliver on the promise that blair are lawyers blair made us? are the lawyers leading the nose, or are leading us by the nose, or are we simply to remove the we simply impotent to remove the threat us? okay, let's threat amongst us? okay, let's move now, including from move on now, including from bushra and paul. after the break. we still have ulez to cover and sir, fence sitter chaos tom moore. don't go away. you'll miss out

radio. >> welcome back to the show. i'm martin daubney standing in for laurence fox. well, you've been getting in touch in your droves about tonight's show, and here's what you've had say. so far. what you've had to say. so far. wendy, first word to you. quite simply, i do not feel safe in the uk any more. wendy i think a great many people will agree with you, and that's not fear mongering. i think they just look at what they see in the

news and on anniversaries like today. is certainly today. that feeling is certainly heightened. point from heightened. next point from malcolm , who says there is an malcolm, who says there is an ever threat out because ever present threat out because the heart liberals the bleeding heart liberals remain complacent and complicit. malcolm that point was echoed by will geddes security expert at the top of this show saying absolutely. the people who facilitate the friction free entrance of unknown undocumented people to our country does increase our security rate. a viewer on twitter says the following it used to be safe, but it's not anymore. so straight to the point, clive on twitter says the following what he tries to frighten people, of course we're safe compared to most of the world. well, clive, it's a fair point. but i think on anniversaries like today, we are justified in taking a look back and also look forward. where do we stand in terms of the modern situation in britain? it's a conversation, i think is well worth having, and i'm proud to have it when the rest of the mainstream media today haven't. okay. moving on to our next

debate, i'm joined in the studio again still by bushra shaikh, political and political commentator and anti—racism campaigner and author former newspaper of author and former newspaper of editor of the sunday mirror. paul connew . onto our next topic paul connew. onto our next topic , sir keir, a fence sitter, has been at it again on thursday , he been at it again on thursday, he hinted he'd like to scrap ulez, yet when pushed on it this morning, starmer pulled yet another u—turn . another u—turn. >> i. i accept that the mayor has no choice but to go ahead because of the legal obligation on him. i think dan is right to stick up for his constituents, and i've always found out in august 2019, i. i understand the pain it's going to inflict. >> no, no, sorry. the question was, do you support the roll out? >> i don't think there's an alternative, nick. i >> another screeching u—turn more than jeremy clarkson . but more than jeremy clarkson. but why are we surprised on brexit, immigration, border control, net zero and gender identity . zero and gender identity. starmer has had more positions than the kamasutra, which got me thinking what does sir keir

starmer actually stand for? what are his policies? well, let's ask my panel. paul, as somebody from the traditional labour left, starmer seems to switch positions like he changes his suits on brexit. he was . he was suits on brexit. he was. he was in head of the people's vote. now he's let's make brexit work on immigration first. he was a refugees welcome merchant . then refugees welcome merchant. then he was suddenly a farage style strong borders on net zero green revolution. that's a u—turn on the north sea oil situation . the north sea oil situation. after the policy bombed in scotland. what does starmer stand for? well on ulez, i think you're right. >> he is fence. he is fence sitting . but. >> he is fence. he is fence sitting. but. but >> he is fence. he is fence sitting . but. but somebody else sitting. but. but somebody else is u—turns . because boris is u—turns. because boris johnson's column in tomorrow's daily mail, he goes a full frontal attack on ulez kwasi . it frontal attack on ulez kwasi. it calls sadiq khan, the mayor of london, as boneheaded and calls it an odious scheme . attacks on it an odious scheme. attacks on motorists . the only problem with

motorists. the only problem with thatis motorists. the only problem with that is that who was the man behind ulez in 2015? it was bofis behind ulez in 2015? it was boris johnson. when mayor of london. so this sits very i mean, as you know, i'm one of the authors of a book called bofis the authors of a book called boris johnson media creation media clown , media casualty. and media clown, media casualty. and this is a sort of hypocrisy in the sort of opportunistic u—turn that you'd expect from boris, but you've opportunistically swivelled on a sixpence there to avoid answering a question about starmer and instead turn it into an attack on boris. >> no, i. i've been. i'll ask you the question again . what you the question again. what does starmer stand for ? does keir starmer stand for? what are his policies? >> he's his policies are . i >> he's his policies are. i mean, for example, i think his policies are broadly right, but i think he's being cowardly. what are they? the failure of brexit? it and i also think i also think that he is he is he is wrong on a number of issues. but the best thing about keir starmer is, is he's not rishi sunak and he's not boris johnson . and in a sense we are looking

and unless a political miracle happens, we are looking at our next prime minister well, but on, on the ulez i think he is sitting on the fence. but frankly, so am i, because i think in health terms for our children, ulez is important. but i think i think at the moment it should be delayed because against the backdrop of a cost of living crisis , it's it it of living crisis, it's it it doesn't not work. so. >> paul so basically boris johnson is wrong, basically you agree with keir starmer. you don't like it. we should postpone it yet we've got to do it again. it's two positions on the same thing. bushra over to you. >> bushra i'll be i'll be frank. i'm actually martin. i'm currently trying to get over your your description of the kamasutra keir starmer right now. and that's not that's not very nice in my imagination, but you actually made an interesting point, at least with sunak. we know what we're going to get . i

know what we're going to get. i feel like keir starmer is always ping feel like keir starmer is always ping pong. he never actually convicts on what he's going to do and what he's pledging for this country. i feel like he's always this pendulum that's swinging. he doesn't want to have a fixed position and he's done the same thing with the ulez as well. he's done the same thing. you have two thing. how can you have two different ideas about the ulez? hang on. >> when it comes to sunak. this is the man who who skips pmqs more than anyone else on in history and same period of time who actually ducks parliamentary debates and votes on things. things like the partygate report . he's a he's a man who who's terrified of scrutiny . terrified of scrutiny. >> okay, paul, we've got some more footage now because there was another u—turn by keir starmer yesterday when he was interrupted by labour interrupted by some labour students. a look at that. >> people want not just economic barriers . barriers. >> reinstate your pledge for 28 billion per year. >> i gave my on the mission on green power.

>> we did that last one. we've done that one. will you just which side are the labor party on? we are on the side of economic growth. will you just let me please get on with this? thank you very much . thank you very much. >> so, bushra, there we go. and that's that's his own voters , that's that's his own voters, you know, labour students saying it's healthy. no no, they're saying. but they're accusing him of another u—turn. his own party members, his own youth act wokeist say no more u—turns on net zero. and that, of course , net zero. and that, of course, is around his ulez position. flip flopping also around flip flopping and also around switching on north sea oil. so even his own people are saying, you stop doing so many you know, stop doing so many positions. >> needs to make >> he honestly needs to make a decision stick it and decision and stick with it and i genuinely believe that people are perhaps now considering the keir isn't person keir starmer isn't the person that that he was. that they thought that he was. and certainly never backed him and i certainly never backed him from knew this from the beginning. i knew this within personality traits within his personality traits that was going to happen. that this was going to happen. at moment i feel like maybe at the moment i feel like maybe because people feeling because people are feeling slightly the slightly disheartened by the tories, side that they tories, the only side that they can on is labour's, is can go on is labour's, and he is the option that they have.

the only option that they have. but when we see imagery like that, have any that, you cannot have any assurance as a leader like him . assurance as a leader like him. no, no way. >> at least there they weren't grabbed and dragged off the stage as would have happened stage as as would have happened if had been the same thing at if it had been the same thing at a a tory event. but look a tory at a tory event. but look , disagree. disagree with , i disagree. i disagree with starmer on brexit, for example, and i've said so very clearly. he's being crowded there. brexit is not working, but coyte. but the fact is , i think at the the fact is, i think at the moment at the moment moments, it's not working. >> they haven't really had a brexit. >> yes, we have had a brexit, a brexit that was the biggest mis selling scandal in our recent political history . political history. >> it was never going to go in to brexit. i've been told, no, go on. but look back to starmer, back, back to starmer. you know, i don't think you've sufficiently answered the question what will sufficiently answered the quereali what will sufficiently answered the que real keir what will sufficiently answered the que real keir starmer will sufficiently answered the que real keir starmer please ll the real keir starmer please stop taking the knee. stop sitting on fence . stand up. sitting on a fence. stand up. what you believe in? tell us what do you believe in? tell us your position. i can tell you. tell your position net tell us your position on net zero. don't changing. just zero. don't keep changing. just

tell you really well tell us what you really well stand for. >> think if you. if >> i think. i think if you. if you're being pragmatist , the you're being a pragmatist, the only slogan and i'm being cynical now, but the only slogan labour really need for the next election is time for a change. those four words are what is going to decide the next election. >> i think has hit the nail on the head. we need to say will the head. we need to say will the real keir starmer please stand up because we need to see who is the richest, the real rishi sunak to i have rishi sunak come to that i have you seen sunak poll rating? >> on, on, hang on. >> hang on, hang on, hang on. i think it's a depressing of think it's a depressing state of affairs. if the labour party just think we want to is just think all we want to do is keep quiet and make any keep quiet and don't make any mistake. that's all we've got to do keep shifting our do is just keep shifting our position not as position because we're not as bad tories. whereas the bad as the tories. whereas the aspiration bad as the tories. whereas the aspirlast] just the tory last time, just the economic have economic crisis, the tories have given the above , but the given any of the above, but the economic crisis the tories have caused in many ways it was caused with in many ways it was quite pragmatic for labour to roll back rachel reeves to say that we can't pledge to spend 28 billion or borrow 28 billion every year. >> okay . and the climate change

>> okay. and the climate change target that that is, that is we're going to have we're going to have to leave it there. >> i don't know about you or he was with me. i still was confused with me. i still don't know starmer stands don't know what starmer stands for we'll for. still as confused. we'll have there. thank have to leave it there. thank you panel have to leave it there. thank you panel, bushra sheikh you to our panel, bushra sheikh and paul connew. next, motorists are change people are driving change and people are driving change and people are handbrake on are putting the handbrake on ulez congestion ltns ulez congestion charges and ltns about time, if you ask me. back

in three. welcome back. i'm martin daubney standing in for laurence fox. now are we seeing the beginnings of a people's revolt against so—called clean air zones ? well, so—called clean air zones? well, this week, london mayor sadiq khan's plan to expand his ulez to all of london was challenged at the high court. meanwhile, in cambridge, local tory taxi cambridge, a local tory taxi driver a by—election

driver won a by—election campaign campaign to block the city's planned congestion charge. well, joining me now to discuss this is howard cox, founder of fairfield, uk, who was at the high court this week. and he's also standing as a candidate in the next may's london mayoral election for the reform party. so, howard, good evening to you. thanks for joining us. first of all, tell us a bit about happened in us a bit about what happened in court the drama that court today and the drama that unfolded . hello martin. unfolded. hello martin. >> it's nice to be on your show. thank you very much. well, it's interesting when you think about it, this is a major judicial it, this is a majorjudicial review and it only took eight hours, two hours each morning and hours each afternoon for and two hours each afternoon for hours. and it's a bit like watching paint dry. there's a lot of procedural aspects being debated there on both sides debated in there on both sides of the case. and there was a lot of the case. and there was a lot of things missing as far as i'm concerned. but this is about whether he's process of actually making the decision of actually making the decision of actually making the decision of actually making the ulez extension, being introduced in august was lawful

. it's not about the decision itself . and that's what is itself. and that's what is frustrating as the lord justice swift was actually very forensic , asking questions on both sides , and his attention to detail was brilliant. i was very impressed with that. but there was no clue as what to happen, and we won't know until june or july the 31st. >> and it's interesting , howard, >> and it's interesting, howard, how we've seen boris johnson writing in tomorrow's daily mail coming out against ulez rather ironic, seeing as how the conservatives brought the policy in. >> oh, i couldn't believe that when i saw that. i've seen the actual article already and i just i'm staggered by this dupuchy just i'm staggered by this duplicity that goes on in various political parties. what was missing from the judicial review? yes. in my opinion, was the most important one was the fact that sadiq khan, the dishonest mayor of london, manipulated the public consultation process. sure that was unlawful. two out of three said they were against the actual ulez expansion going ahead and he even ordered

cameras before the public consultation results were were announced. all those sorts of things happened and even his tfl air quality results showed that there would be no demonstrable difference when ulez extension is actually put in place. so all those things were not discussed at the judicial review and that's the frustration for most people looking on. >> so howard, of course, sadiq khan would say that he's saving 4000 lives per year by bringing in ulez through clean air. what would you reply to that ? would you reply to that? >> well, i put together a freedom of information request and i got the response earlier this . i'm going to be this week. i'm going to be announcing what my response to that and well, 4000 people didn't die . it's the actual didn't die. it's the actual question is on the word premature and the reports by the various bodies, the ipcc , the various bodies, the ipcc, the iea, all these sorts of things, they are saying there's premature death and that premature death and that premature death and that premature death is a matter of days. and it's a modelling process. that's what it is, just

like we had in covid. and as you are aware the modelling are well aware, the modelling didn't go to well with that. 4000 and 4000 people haven't died and london is still one of the cleanest, if not one of the cleanest, if not one of the cleanest cities in the world. and to what the and that's down to what the w.h.o. so and that's down to what the who. so really all of w.h.o. say. so really all of this is a complete sham. and i hope justice swift does actually come to what everyone believes should be and that the ulez a extension should not be. go ahead. okay >> howard cox, thank you for joining us tonight. we have to leave it there. it from leave it there. that's it from me to all of my me today. thanks to all of my panel of course, panel and guests. and of course, you up next is mark you at home. up next is mark dolan. what meat you dolan. mark, what meat do you have on menu for us tonight? have on the menu for us tonight? >> of meat and two >> well, plenty of meat and two veg martin. veg as well, martin. we've got a really busy tennis legend really busy show tennis legend virginia wade on the virginia wade live on the programme . of course, she won programme. of course, she won wimbledon. does that feel? wimbledon. how does that feel? what's to andy what's her reaction to andy murray out? should he hang murray going out? should he hang up his tennis racket for good and he might take at ten. i'll be dealing with the people that would like to close down gb news. we are subject to a shocking advertising boycott and i'll be dealing with those

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