oh, there you are. lovely people. welcome along . and in people. welcome along. and in a packed programme tonight , as packed programme tonight, as they used to say, we'll be joined by reclaim party mp andrew bridgen , who this week andrew bridgen, who this week raised in parliament the issue of nigel farage being denied a bank account and among much else, i have to say, a very busy week for andrew. we'll also be talking to andrew bridgen,

together with dr. david lloyd, about vaccine about the pfizer vaccine rollout. show . and rollout. later in the show. and finally, we'll be discussing the return of 38 hazel dormice to the heart of the national forest in a large secluded woodland . in a large secluded woodland. what an antidote to woke are the sleepy dormice. all of that, plus plenty of chat with my brilliant panellist, journalist juue brilliant panellist, journalist julie cook . brilliant panellist, journalist julie cook. but first, an update on the latest news with ray addison . addison. >> thanks, neil. here's the latest from the newsroom and our top story. the prime minister says britain discourages the use of cluster munitions after the united states agreed to send them to ukraine. president biden says he stands by his decision, despite criticism from human rights groups. rishi sunak , who rights groups. rishi sunak, who will meet mr biden in london on monday ahead of the nato summit, says britain is supporting kyiv in other ways. uk is signatory to a convention which prohibits

the production or use of cluster munitions and discourages their use. >> use. >> we will continue to do our part to support ukraine against russias illegal and unprovoked invasion. we've done that by providing heavy battle tanks and most recently long—range weapons , and hopefully all countries can continue to support ukraine. >> well, meanwhile, ukraine's president zelenskyy has visited snake island to mark 500 days of war. the area in the black sea was retaken by the ukrainian armed forces a year ago. president zelenskyy is now in istanbul holding talks with turkey's president erdogan in his first first visit to the country since the start of the conflict . demonstrators have conflict. demonstrators have been protesting against plans to house asylum seekers on a barge in dorset. it follows reports that the bibby stockholm , which that the bibby stockholm, which can accommodate 500 people, could arrive this week. to stand up could arrive this week. to stand up to racism, dorset or no to the barge group want it moored

at portland port. it's part of the government's plan to reduce costs by moving migrant out of hotel rooms. at least 350 people have crossed the english channel today. have crossed the english channel today . it follows the highest today. it follows the highest single day figure this year of 686. that was yesterday . say no 686. that was yesterday. say no to the barge group organiser alex bailey says he won't stop fighting to continue our campaign open letters . campaign open letters. >> we are going to talk to them in person if we can. next week there is an open council meeting with dorset council. we are going to attend. we are today. then are going to make our voices heard and the people of portland, the people of weymouth and the people of dorset . and the people of dorset. >> the bbc is reportedly investigating a claim that one of its well known presenter has paid a teenager for explicit pictures. it's alleged that the man paid more than £35,000 for the images with the sun, saying that the young person was 17 years old. the newspaper says the teen's family complained to the teen's family complained to

the broadcaster in may. in a statement, the bbc said it takes any allegations very seriously and will act on any information that comes to light at the family of an eight year old girl who was killed in south—west london have described her as intelligent and cheeky. selina lough died after a land rover crashed into a prep school in wimbledon on thursday. another eight year old girl is in a life threatening condition and a woman in her 40s remains in a critical condition. the 46 year old female driver arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving has been bailed pending further enquiries as the. the chancellor admits that halving inflation is proving harder than expected. jeremy hunt says the tories pledge of inflation reaching 5% by the end of the year is going to be more challenging than first. mr hunt also says tax cuts can't be introduced if it makes the battle against inflation more difficult.

inflation currently stands at 8.7. hunt hundreds of french protesters have defied a ban to march through central paris against police violence . as the against police violence. as the demonstration comes a week after riots triggered by the fatal shooting by a police officer of a teenager at a traffic stop. police dispersed the peaceful crowd from place de la republique. france his interior minister says more than 3000 people were arrested over six nights of riots . the people were arrested over six nights of riots. the wedding of george osborne to his former aide has gone ahead despite reports that he called in police over an email circulated to guests . according to the guests. according to the telegraph newspaper. the message was sent as part of a distressing campaign of harassment. a number of well known politicians have been seen arriving at the service in somerset, including former prime minister david cameron and former health secretary matt hancock . we're on tv online on hancock. we're on tv online on

dab+ radio and on tune in to this is gb news. back now to . neil >> true natures are worth seeing glimpses of what lies beneath a surface projected to deceive . surface projected to deceive. once seen that true nature is never forgotten. last week , gb never forgotten. last week, gb news commercial director nicola shea attended an advertising awards show in manchester to present some gongs and for her efforts was howled at by a baying mob of ad industry professionals. foul mouthed fist pumping hate merchants who sought to drive her from the stage and from the event hit pause and remember this was an event organised by the advertising industry, but conducting itself more like a neo religion as intolerant as any other. the abusers were professional. people represent an industry that, in terms of the preachy , condescending the preachy, condescending mission statements , we the mission statements, we the intended audience, have rammed

down our throats morning, noon and night by that industry is supposedly all about inclusion, diversity and equality. but it's never about what they say. it's about. never about what they say. it's about . since before even a about. since before even a second of content had been transmitted by gb news, we've been the target of well—funded efforts to shut us down, as well as targeting the channel individuals in front of the camera and behind are set upon too much of the abuse and attempted destruction has been choreographed by an outfit calling itself, ironically , stop calling itself, ironically, stop funding hate that employs all means at its disposal to try and make any company that advertises with us the target of bullying to have them sever their ties . to have them sever their ties. those frauds with the gall to pretend they're about doing away with hate stoke hatred at every turn to get what they want. one an ad agency after another . all an ad agency after another. all the key players based inside the london bubble. obviously in one ad campaign after another exploits the notions of kindness, inclusion , diversity kindness, inclusion, diversity and equality. but scrape away the insincere exterior , and what

the insincere exterior, and what lies beneath is their true nature made of hatred, exclusion and a determination to drive from society. anyone those haters deem a threat to their own ugly utopia . the truth can't own ugly utopia. the truth can't be concealed forever. and the truth of those targeting gb news for having the temerity to give voice to the majority of people in this country. the reality that lies beneath the purveyors of kindness and inclusion is hatred . don't be fooled by those hatred. don't be fooled by those who hide behind the promise to be kind with love, hearts and rainbow flags in their bios. you can put makeup on a corpse and spray it with perfume , but the spray it with perfume, but the stink of decay rises soon enough. like anything else that won't flush, that which lies beneath always bobs up to the surface . the kindness and surface. the kindness and inclusion rhetoric, not just in tv ads , but in all walks of tv ads, but in all walks of life. it was only the velvet glove concealing the clenched fist. the fist is wielded openly now because more and more people, millions of people know there have been lied to by their leaders. those millions refuse to back down, refuse to shut up,

refuse swallow any more of refuse to swallow any more of the refuse to turn blind the lies, refuse to turn blind eyes deaf ears to the wrong eyes and deaf ears to the wrong and done as well as and the damage done as well as to the blatant intention by the same suspects to commit more wrong harm, more wrong and cause more harm, more and more pressure is being applied. more and more legislation restrict free legislation to restrict free speech to stop people going about the business of leading decent built on decent lives, built on foundations of freedom, more and more of the stuff of life is being targeted by those who would demand submission . it's would demand submission. it's almost not almost laughable, although not quite. bungalow joe biden is apparently on the same page as computer software salesman and private jet enthusiast bill gates. when it comes to plans to block out the sun. when we live in a solar system and all life on earth depends on the sun. but there you go. america's largest private landowner thinks he knows best. they spend hundreds of billions installing solar panels, then block out the sun genius. i it the sun is genius. i call it the sun is only the latest target . in only the latest target. in addition to two more of the absolute foundational essentials of life on earth being the plant

food that is c02 and also nitrogen, both marked for cancelling and removal . nitrogen, both marked for cancelling and removal. in a speech he gave in 1978, dr. walter yellowlees said of our world, quote, the whole system is powered by energy from the sun , and the moon reminds us of sun, and the moon reminds us of the unfortunate propensity of man for lunacy by lunacy , i man for lunacy by lunacy, i don't mean that which afflicts the occupants of mental hospital beds. i mean his tendency to infantile behaviour to embrace and act out irrational beliefs and act out irrational beliefs and idiotic ideas. this form of lunacy from time to time afflicts us all and is a condition from which no social class or group, however privileged or academic, is entirely free. end quote. lunacy doctor yellowlees got that right. all the way back in 1978. i've been banging on for months about the necessity of freedom to transact to buy and sell without interference , monitoring without interference, monitoring and downright obstruction and control. now gb news has originated a campaign called don't kill cash. since without

cash and the privacy and freedom it confers, we are herded ever closer to the imprisonment of the 15 minute ghettos. once central bank digital currencies replace all other means of transaction aided and abetted by digital ids and the rest of the traps enabling social credit scoring populist options will be entirely at the mercy of those who would dictate every thought and action of the billions of inconven cient human beings and their pesky aspirations. it's never about what they say. it's about if they say it's about kindness, it's about hatred. if they say it's about saving the planet for all, it's about stealing the planet for them. if they it's about democracy, they say it's about democracy, it's about totalitarianism. if they say it's about peace, it's about war forever. war, you can easily spot a neo liberal because he's all about ending liberty. you can spot a neo liberal because he's about censorship and cancellation. you can spot a neo liberal because he's about denying the existence of you can spot a neo of women. you can spot a neo liberal because he's all about war. if he says it's about

convenience you, then it's convenience for you, then it's about control for him. if he says it's free, then the price is astronomic and you're the product for sale . in the end, if product for sale. in the end, if we don't resist the ultimate price be our souls . if they price will be our souls. if they say it's about stopping the funding of hate, then it's about the applicator nation of thuggery, name calling . if he thuggery, name calling. if he says about equality, says it's about equality, it's about of about racism, all sorts of racism is what it's always about is control . control of us by is control. control of us by them. and we see where the road leads to a mob hurling abuse at a lone woman . and you content to a lone woman. and you content to live in a society where if your opinion is counter that of opinion is counter to that of the and you express it the powerful and you express it or otherwise stand up for it , or otherwise stand up for it, you yourself with your back you find yourself with your back against a wall. when the war in ukraine started, there were many with about with question about the geopolitics and we were silenced. as putin apologists acas. and then last week, robert f kennedy be president f kennedy jr would be president of the united states of america openly talked about uk openly talked about former uk prime minister boris johnson as the nato bag carrier who went to ukraine when he was to , told and ukraine when he was to, told and they are scuppered any hopes of

peace and end to that war. peace and an end to that war. kennedy has set johnson's name alongside hundreds of alongside the hundreds of thousands ukrainians and thousands of ukrainians and russians who have since russians who have died since then, who could ever have imagined less predicted imagined far less predicted heanng imagined far less predicted hearing as said about hearing as much said about a british prime minister of yesterday a potential yesterday by a potential american president tomorrow. american president of tomorrow. now the united states will send cluster bombs that ukrainians might drop on fellow ukrainians, cluster bombs as bad as landmines and deemed unforgivable around the world. and yet that bitter crop will be sown in ukrainian fields there to lie in wait for generations of farmers and children who will die as collateral damage in the decades ahead , even if it's far decades ahead, even if it's far right to question war that's enriching the few to stand up and speak for the survival of cultures across europe and around the to world, speak up for the rights of women, to abhor war profit than right abhor war as profit than right wing must be. remember, it's wing. i must be. remember, it's all being stoked by those who care only themselves and care only about themselves and power dam fools who would spit abuse into the face of a lone woman at an award ceremony because represents an

because she represents an organisation to organisation doing its best to promote freedom of speech and breadth opinion. are yet more breadth of opinion. are yet more puppets. strings pulled by puppets. their strings pulled by those who would set people at each throats on whatever each other's throats on whatever grounds seem likely to have grounds seem most likely to have the effect . skin colour, the desired effect. skin colour, belief , the desired effect. skin colour, belief, opinion. if we're angry with each other, it's because too many have been distracted to distracted properly to direct their righteous fury toward the tiny source of the real problem. the moment we stop hurling abuse at one another, being intolerant of one another, the moment we come together as people white, black and brown, christian, muslim, jewish, hindu , buddhist muslim, jewish, hindu, buddhist or no religion at all. the moment we come together as human beings, united by faith and family and freedom, when that moment comes , then it's over for moment comes, then it's over for the totalitarians and the rest of the few that want this world for themselves. this is a war for themselves. this is a war for our future and our children. last week in the usa independence day, as it happens, saw the opening of a movie called sound of freedom . it's called sound of freedom. it's about the efforts of one tim

ballard, sometimes special agent for the department of homeland security , who walked away from security, who walked away from his job to risk and dedicate his life to saving children from child trafficking . child child trafficking. child trafficking is more profitable than international arms trading. it will soon be more profitable than the drugs trade. millions of children are being traded, raped and murdered. maybe you've heard of this man and this story and this movie. maybe you haven't . if you haven't, it's haven't. if you haven't, it's likely because of a huge and concerted effort by the powerful to prevent any of it seeing the light of day. in spite of that effort, it been the biggest effort, it has been the biggest selling the us this selling movie in the us this week. here's the thing to ask yourself why the powers that be would encourage spitting bile at those share their those who don't share their worldview preferring worldview while preferring to ignore buying and selling of ignore the buying and selling of babies and children . ask babies and children. ask yourself that question and wonder about extent to which wonder about the extent to which millions people have been millions of people have been distracted necessity to distracted from the necessity to make the truth the paramount concern of our civilisation . concern of our civilisation. indeed, the paramount concern of our species before it really is

too late . too late. joining me tonight, journalist and authorjulie joining me tonight, journalist and author julie cook, friend joining me tonight, journalist and authorjulie cook, friend of and author julie cook, friend of the show. julie what do you make of the antipathy towards gb news when i heard what happened to nicole, i was well, first of all, i was absolutely furious. >> as a woman, as you rightly say, imagine you're a woman standing on a stage on your own and you have all this vitriol spat at you and the heckling and the shouting. i heard it was the shouting. i heard it. it was just that's the just disgusting. that's the first secondly, the first thing. but secondly, the absolute of people at an absolute irony of people at an advertising award and we all know that the big businesses who advertise, we don't know who's lining, whose pockets we don't. if half of that, you'd if you knew half of that, you'd be so to have a go at be disgusted. so to have a go at someone representing this organisation at an advertising award, irony was not lost on award, the irony was not lost on me. but moreover , i was just me. but but moreover, i was just every day , neil, i wake up and every day, neil, i wake up and think what happened yesterday

was dream, a bad dream. and was a dream, a bad dream. and every day it gets worse. and every day it gets worse. and every day it gets worse. and every day i think it won't get worse. it does so, yeah. worse. and it does so, yeah. shocked, appalled, disgusted. worse. and it does so, yeah. shcandi, appalled, disgusted. worse. and it does so, yeah. shcand iappalled, disgusted. worse. and it does so, yeah. shcand i can't led, disgusted. worse. and it does so, yeah. shcand i can't believegusted. worse. and it does so, yeah. shcand i can't believe the ed. worse. and it does so, yeah. shcand i can't believe the same >> and i can't believe the same happened at the tric awards that were got an award and the were nigel got an award and the channel an award and it's channel got an award and it's the it's viewers the audience. it's the viewers that voted that way. yes, i see that voted that way. yes, i see that being and gb news is popular with people. yeah, it's very popular out there with the audience. so in being abuse at a representative of that organisation, you're actually being at your own audience .7 yes, being at your own audience? yes, yes. yeah. the people you're targeting with your advertising and the people who watch television, you're telling them there's something wrong with them. >> yeah, exactly. and it's also it's undermining the it's kind of undermining the intelligence audience. intelligence of that audience. it's that if you don't it's saying that if you don't believe a thing, then believe a certain thing, then they or wrong or , as they are stupid or wrong or, as you right wing whatever you said, right wing or whatever it or that they have it might be, or that they have any which outside the any opinion which is outside the m25 five, then then it doesn't matter . and m25 five, then then it doesn't matter. and so i think it represents all of that. but as you say, to have a go at an audience and as you rightly say,

the tric awards was voted by the viewers of this channel. it was it was just disgusting. and i don't understand why more people aren't about it within aren't angry about it within that bubble, then they'll that bubble, but then they'll protect so no. protect each other. so no. >> what about my contention >> and what about my contention is just being is that we're just being deliberately distracted and that whenever many people appear whenever too many people appear to paying attention to to be paying attention to something that really matters, they throw somebody else under they throw somebody else under the bus. yeah. yeah exactly. >> it's the same with all the movements that we're talking about lately . the gender about lately. the gender recognition and the transgender in schools and all of that. it's as if these contentious issues are there to divide us. and if we're divided, we can't, as you say, come together and start talking about the real big problems the moment. so but problems at the moment. so but the trouble is these these contentious issues are so distracting that i don't see how people are going to come together about much together and talk about the much bigger issues. together and talk about the much big iar issues. together and talk about the much big i just;ues. together and talk about the much big i just feel the only >> i just feel that the only solution, the only way out of this for communities, this is for communities, whatever think community this is for communities, wito ever think community this is for communities, wito come think community this is for communities, wito come together. community this is for communities, wito come together. um,1munity this is for communities, wito come together. um, yeah.ty is to come together. um, yeah. you know, let's, let's consider our relationships, community to

community at another time. let's for the moment, let's just pay attention to the fact that we are being led down a dark path that's in none of our interests. >> yeah, yeah. and i think as you've before, and we've you've said before, and we've talked about on this show, many times, it's undermining and times, it's the undermining and sort of the family sort of derision of the family as think that's really as a unit. i think that's really important at the heart of any community, whatever religion you are, family . are, the undermining of family. and think that's that's what's and i think that's that's what's wrong here. >> we've got to get a break. >> and we've got to get a break. thanks for that . we'll be thanks for that. we'll be speaking party speaking next to reclaim party mp bridgen. a moment mp andrew bridgen. just a moment . here's your weather i >> -- >>a >> a brighter outlook with boxed solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> hello there. i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast where we continue to see some heavy showers , possible heavy showers, possible thunderstorms through the rest of the weekend and still fairly warm and humid across the uk . warm and humid across the uk. looking at the bigger picture in this area of low pressure just sits the west of us allowing sits to the west of us allowing that come up from

that warm air to come up from the continent. developing the near continent. developing those shower clouds and thunderstorms across the uk right the rest the right through the rest of the weekend. and still have weekend. and we still have thundery showers the thundery showers across the north this saturday north and east this saturday evening could some local evening. could be some local disruption, some longer spells of for scotland. north east of rain for scotland. north east england for a time too, into the early for many it early hours. but for many it will quieter. there'll be will become quieter. there'll be clear , but still fairly clear spells, but still fairly warm and tonight warm and humid. tonight particularly in the east. lows of 17 or degrees whilst the of 17 or 18 degrees whilst the west will be a little fresher. sunday morning, a bright start for many cloud and outbreaks of showery rain pushing into south east england and the rain across scotland clear scotland takes its time to clear here. and then it's the day of sunny spells and heavy showers once more showers most frequent across western parts of the uk. some thunderstorms could lead to some local disruption, particularly parts northern particularly parts of northern ireland wales , southwest ireland into wales, southwest england to and temperatures overall a little lower compared to saturday highs around 25 or 26 celsius into the evening time. thunderstorms continue to push their way northwards, but

they will ease by the end of the day. and then overnight, we're looking at clear skies once more and temperatures just dropping a little lower compared to recent nights. but still, towns and cities , 13 to 15 celsius. so it cities, 13 to 15 celsius. so it means a bright start for many. on monday morning, plenty of sunny spells , thicker cloud sunny spells, thicker cloud across the north of scotland and then all eyes to the west of this area of low pressure starts to bring in more showery rain into western parts affecting parts of northern ireland, wales, the west country. at times to elsewhere. a mixture of sunny spells and scattered showers through . showers breaking through. further expected further showers are expected tuesday and wednesday , tuesday and wednesday, temperatures a little fresher than they have been of late . than they have been of late. >> a brighter outlook with boxed solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> up next, reclaim party mp andrew bridgen. we're watching neil oliver live on gb news, which is the people's

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radio . my radio. my first guest tonight is andrew bridgen mp, who really does need no introduction from me. >> andrew has had a very busy week and i'm keen to hear all about it. andrew, thanks for coming in and joining us once again. >> it's a pleasure. >> it's a pleasure. >> uh, you raised the issue of bank accounts specifically around nigel farage, but monday, monday morning, around nigel farage, but monday, monday morning , the house didn't monday morning, the house didn't sit till 230. >> i put for in an urgent question get the minister to come to the despatch box. obviously we heard what jeremy hunt had said about bank accounts , but i think it's accounts, but i think it's a matter of huge concern . first of matter of huge concern. first of all, they're coming for nigel farage's bank account and to a point he's got a platform, he's got a position now, but then they'll come for somebody else's and eventually they'll be coming for your viewers bank accounts at this rate. and the problem was the speaker's panel

was that the speaker's panel decided worthy of decided that wasn't worthy of note and discussion. and no minister came to the despatch box to answer questions. >> that be when every >> how can that be when every person, every functioning adult, is united by one thing, if nothing else? and that's the necessity. >> i can't think of anything, anything that's more set to cancel someone modern cancel someone in our modern society having access society than not having access to bank account and banking to a bank account and banking facilities. to a bank account and banking facilitie you really can't function >> you you really can't function as a human being. >> read that >> how do you read that unwillingness or that refusal to. >> well, i've seen i've seen what bank has said in what nigel's bank has said in its defence for cancelling his bank account, its defence for cancelling his bank account , that he didn't bank account, that he didn't meet the criteria, but that doesn't explain why nine other banks wouldn't open an account for him. and quite honestly, as an mp for the reclaim party, i mean for three years a fully authorised political party with the electoral commission and we haven't been able to have a bank account that we can put donations and memberships into. >> alarming , is it not? >> it's alarming, is it not? >> it's alarming, is it not? >> julie it's dystopian . it's, >> julie it's dystopian. it's, it's kind of stuff that it's the kind of stuff that would have been written about by george orwell and that we never

thought as you thought could happen, as you say, without bank account, say, without a bank account, you don't so to take don't exist. so to take someone's right away, as you say , to transact if they want a cashless society, then you need a account. take that a bank account. if you take that away, you transact? how away, how do you transact? how do you even live this has been going on for years. >> you know, and you know, for example, tommy example, you know, tommy robinson, katie hopkins, they lost accounts in this. lost their accounts in this. i've this week of i've also been told this week of four brexit party meps four former brexit party meps who've lost their bank accounts. ought we to have spoken up earlier? because the lesson from history is always, as you know, it's about the identity nor it's not about the identity nor indeed the views of the people that being discriminated that are being discriminated against. discrimination against. it's the discrimination itself to itself that you want to go after. we should all after. should we should we all have more? have been more? >> i think we should always defend the freedoms of people we don't agree with. don't necessarily agree with. and for some and obviously, nigel, for some people a marmite politician, people is a marmite politician, but if you don't defend nigel's right for a bank account, who's going to defend yours? >> and, you know, shortage of time and all of the rest of it, the rest there was more of the rest there was much more of that week. yes that in your week. yes

>> i went out to brussels and >> so i went out to brussels and addressed a meeting in the european parliament on tuesday. i was invited over there is a procedure in the eu parliament where they have seven citizens and seven meps and they can raise an issue. it's not been used very often, but that was the procedure that we were using. and i got to give a speech and you know, it was never on my bucket list, but i did get a standing ovation in the eu parliament having having led east midlands led leave for the east midlands on successful campaign. it on a successful campaign. it wasn't what was expecting. but wasn't what i was expecting. but neil, we're living in strange times. >> it's very interesting given that i have watched as sure that i have watched as i'm sure juua that i have watched as i'm sure julia watched you address julia has watched you address bafic julia has watched you address basic empty chamber in the in basic an empty chamber in the in the parliaments in the mother of parliaments in westminster and yet and yet what was the flavour in that chamber for as you were all you not just you but all of you. >> there was a large number of individuals in there and politicians from across europe who appreciate that the who. are putting in for a massive power grab of our sovereignty

with their post pandemic treaty and also the changes to the international health regulations , which we still aren't debating in our parliament. and i'm very suspicious that we're not even going to get a vote on because it's an amending an existing treaty. and they're both equally toxic for our sovereignty . toxic for our sovereignty. >> see. julie, do you feel that we that when it comes to, well, what's called the mainstream media, that there's enough coverage of this ? coverage of this? >> you know, the who. amended treaty as as andrew has said, proposes it's a power grab feel that you they'll be able to declare a public health emergency of international concern and seize powers . concern and seize powers. >> and they'll also decide when it's over. and as you know, from even from covid 19, they only declared it was over a few months ago. i think we're still in the monkeypox one, so that would still be going on. >> do you feel i mean, i don't i don't feel we hear about it. >> in channels. no, we >> no. in the channels. no, we don't. don't. and i think

don't. we don't. and i think since the pandemic, they've sneakily done haven't they, sneakily done it, haven't they, to that now lot to the point that we now a lot of well, they know of people think, well, they know best, but they clearly don't. and that's worrying thing. and that's the worrying thing. >> even have >> well, they won't even have a review into decisions review into into the decisions and guidance they gave in and the guidance they gave in the last pandemic. so they think that was all perfect. lockdowns mandatory vaccines, mrna technology can no wrong technology. they can do no wrong . i think most of the public will disagree that it was fairly badly handled . badly handled. >> when you when you look at that in the round, you know, you're talking about what's happening with bank happening with with with bank accounts to some extent with accounts and to some extent with the w.h.o. it accounts and to some extent with the who. it seems me that the who. it seems to me that this close schwab and the this is the close schwab and the world forum's world economic forum's stakeholder made real people. >> well , it's baffling people. >> well, it's baffling enough that's going on in our parliament. and no one wants to talk about it. but when you actually widen out and look, it's happening in all the parliaments around the world at the same time, you've got to the same time, and you've got to ask questions. and is to the ask questions. and it is to the playbook, ? playbook, isn't it? >> julie, how do you think that we as as regular punters should be responding to all of this? >> i think we should be talking

about it more. >> but as you say , as we spoke >> but as you say, as we spoke about before, it's very difficult when we're being distracted with so other distracted with so many other news stories which are there clearly deflect this. also clearly to deflect this. i also think that when do query think that when you do query something that post something like that post pandemic, you're you're thrown in so many other labels, in with so many other labels, such or you're an anti—vaxxer such as or you're an anti—vaxxer or you're anti—trans or whatever other sort of things are being bandied about at the moment as we that's a distraction. we say, that's a distraction. it's as if dare it's almost as if you dare question are then thrown question it, you are then thrown to wolves as whatever label to the wolves as whatever label you're and that's you're then given. and that's that's have that's why we can't have a debate it . debate about it. >> andrew you also spoke , you >> andrew you also spoke, you know, recently about trying to take to action make parents be kept informed about what was happening to their children. >> yes, i put forward last week the week before last, a ten minute rule motion to bring in a to bill outlaw the transitioning social transitioning of children in schools before they're of age of majority dodi and also that

parents had to be informed if that was happening and also to reinforce the rules that are already there that parents should have a right to see the material that children are being taughtin material that children are being taught in school regard to sex education and unfortunately, the conservative party decided to tell their mps not to vote for it. in fact, i think 11 of them voted against it with some labour mps and that bill went down and i had a policeman in parliament came up to me privately last this week and was shaking with tears and said , shaking with tears and said, what's gone wrong with this country? we don't even protect our anymore . our children anymore. >> have to get another >> dumas we have to get another break. after which we'll be picking of this picking up more of this conversation involving conversation also involving david but stay with us. david lloyd. but stay with us. stay with the people's

radio. welcome back. >> joining us to continue and evolve this conversation is david lloyd from the ridgeway surgery . and doctor lloyd has

surgery. and doctor lloyd has long spoken up in favour of the covid injections offered by companies like pfizer and moderna . and if i can come to moderna. and if i can come to you first, andrew, you also spoke and asked a question in the house of commons this week. if you could bring us up to date with that, because on thursday in business of the house, questions, yes, i've been passed some papers from the hebrew university of jerusalem by two learned doctors who've analysed the test data and reanalysed the pfizer test data and what they've uncovered , it shows they've uncovered, it shows clearly that there were two batches of vaccines produced and one so the vaccine that was actually rolled out around the world, two billions of doses, including including the boosters, it actually wasn't the same vaccine and it wasn't manufactured in the same process as the vaccine that was tested on 44,000 volunteer hours and subsequently got approval across the world. >> and this raises huge

questions. and clearly that will explain why the harms we've seen , the adverse effects on our yellow card system is so different from the data shown in the trials by pfizer, because they're different vaccines produced in different ways . produced in different ways. >> and what response did you get in in the comments when we raised that issue? >> well, i think that the mhra, our own regulator , must know our own regulator, must know about this . if my researchers about this. if my researchers can can dig this out, surely they can. if they didn't inform well, if they didn't inform the minister that actually would be a criminal offence. and i pointed that out. and obviously if the minister was aware that the vaccine that was rolled out hadnt the vaccine that was rolled out hadn't actually been tested on 44,000 people as was claimed , 44,000 people as was claimed, it's actually rather worse . but it's actually rather worse. but because of all of this, what it means is that there could have been no inform consent for the pfizer vaccine or boosters because people were misled. that they were trialled on 44,000 people when they weren't

obviously. >> dr. lloyd i'm sure you can predict the question i would ask how do you react to hearing that which is an evolution which is which is an evolution on the on the story that we've been being told over a long penod been being told over a long period of time? well, it's terribly difficult, isn't it, to react to the latest conspiracy theory against the conspiracy and yes, i think so. >> tried, tried against the facts that we have about the covid vaccines, which is that they have saved millions of lives. the latest data is we would have we've saved 14 to 19 million lives. world worldwide by the introduction of the vaccine. and i'm speaking personally here because i have to speak personally. i was running a covid hub looking after patients with covid and towards the end of the epidemic, when patients used to ring in with with covid and we'd be seeing them, the first question you ask is are you you ask is where are you vaccinated? and the people that died, the people sent died, the people that i sent into the were the into the hospital were the unvaccinated patients. >> i i'll be frank with you. i'm honestly amazed that you're that

you're quoting the millions of lives saved rhetoric from . can i lives saved rhetoric from. can i ask you from which source it's modelling. >> it's modelling. it's the lowest form of scientific research from what source does it come up a peg upon which to hang so much? >> well, i was obviously i was quoting from a paper in nature. i mean, these are reputable scientific journals with reputable scientists who've done the research . and the data is the research. and the data is there . it's you can't dispute there. it's you can't dispute it. but david, it's conspiracy theories are not the answer to scientific basis. >> if the vaccines are safe and effective, they've now been trialled on billions of doses six, 7 billion doses have gone out . yes. why do pfizer, moderna out. yes. why do pfizer, moderna still need immunity from prosecution? surely they are safe and effective now. they. and why? why are they why have fisa never put a vaccine into india? the potentially biggest market for vaccine and therapeutics in the world? third biggest population because the indian government will not give

them immunity from prosecution. >> counter that by >> i can only counter that by quoting the science and the stuff that we see on the ground about what the vaccine is done to lives. i'm afraid i'm to save lives. i'm afraid i'm not a lawyer. not an mp. i not a lawyer. i'm not an mp. i can't use your research to find these very obscure pieces of information. but the big information. but the big information on the stuff that's out that we know that has out there that we know that has shown shows that the vaccines shown it shows that the vaccines are not only increase audibly safe, the benefits far safe, that the benefits far outweigh the risks . outweigh the risks. >> but what you're concerned you saved millions concern you if you found out that the pfizer vaccine and the boosters had had not been tested on 44,000 people, that was a different vaccine that the vaccine vaccine and that the vaccine that was rolled out around there was actually cultured in escherichia with all the escherichia coli with all the endotoxins wasn't endotoxins involved. that wasn't in the test. that wasn't in the trial. of course, i would be concerned. >> and if you go back to the papers, well, if you go back to the original research, the new england of medicine, the original research, the new englarwas of medicine, the original research, the new englarwas done of medicine, the original research, the new englarwas done by medicine, the original research, the new englarwas done by pfizer, ne, the original research, the new englarwas done by pfizer, those which was done by pfizer, those those bits of data, there are fundamentally you fundamentally important. and you say want to hide say, why did pfizer want to hide the for years?

the data for 75 years? >> just leap there. but did they? >>i they? >> i think this is the point. did they ? you can't just come did they? you can't just come out these things without out and say these things without having the basic facts. >> i mean, there so many >> i mean, there are so many there so many items to there are so many items there to unpick. the new unpick. you know, the new england of medicine, england journal of medicine, like of both like lancet, editors of both have said in public have have all but said in public that publications , like that those publications, like all medical journals, are compromise mean, compromise sized. i mean, they're information they're effectively information on services for big on laundry services for big pharma and the editors of those publications. and there is no peer reviewed information that's those are paid for, placed non peer reviewed items that go in. but setting that. >> hold on, i have to just correct you there . the paper was correct you there. the paper was peer reviewed by all their peers. england journal peers. new england journal of medicine is not paid for by advertisers. paid for by advertisers. it's paid for by its subscribers. it is the number medical journal in number one medical journal in the world. >> it takes a huge amount of advertising from big pharma . advertising from big pharma. >> so does your television company. does mps. company. so does, so does mps. you can't distil people because they've had . they've had. >> can i ask you another question? >> you know, you referred to

that to that early research. now joseph freeman in louisiana , him joseph freeman in louisiana, him and his team reanalysed that early data that you're talking about. early data that you're talking about . and from it came about. and from it came information that you, andrew, amongst others, pfizer was 1 in 990 severe adverse events and moderna was 1 in 6 six 5800 doses of either pfizer or moderna that were administered. there was an adverse effect. and the adverse effects for the pfizer and moderna vaccines is more than all of the adverse effects that were reported in relation to all vaccines in the last 70 years combined. and so what i mean is i think that the story has moved on and to keep quoting out of date data is not helpful. i i dispute that. >> i think that you're basing these things on small theories, just like qanon has extraordinary theories about the prime minister's. >> you are niche people with niche ideas and niche data . we niche ideas and niche data. we should be going on the stuff that we really do care about.

>> this is this is the work of eminent physician is. no, it's not. it's crackpots that are saying these things. >> i've watched your blog tube or whatever you've got or whatever it is you've got a whole pile of loony doctors out there spouting stuff. there spouting this stuff. >> do think that that >> i really do think that that is beneath you suggest that is beneath you to suggest that your physicians around your fellow physicians around the have spent months the world who have spent months and trying to and they're and years trying to and they're losing their reputations, any profession, profession are dismissed. >> you are going to have loonies in profession. loony news in your profession. loony news announcers. loony announcers. you have loony doctors , loony gps doctor, and doctors, loony gps doctor, and you have loony scientists. but they in minority and i'm they are in the minority and i'm afraid they are the ones that are causing this debate , which are causing this debate, which is totally artificial and it's actually underlying. it's demoralising scientists and it's reducing this whole thing about what is fact and what is fiction. we used to be on a we used to believe that you could sail off the edge of the earth. we used to believe that brexit was a good thing. we used to believe that there was no it would if actually would be if we actually delivered majority of delivered it a majority of people did and do think people did think and do think that brexit would think is

complete. >> if i can bring in, you're >> if i can bring you in, you're another you're another reasonable know, reasonable person. you know, you're looking on you're looking you're looking on it. listening in it. this you're listening in on this debate. how do you react to what you're hearing these what you're hearing here, these very ? very divergent opinions? >> first of all, >> yeah, first of all, disclaimer, i'm vaccinated. i'm fully because i fully vaccinated because i believed the time that was believed at the time that was the thing to do. and i, the right thing to do. and i, i don't regret it, but i do feel very, very sorry for people who are having adverse reactions. that's agree with the that's 100. i agree with the doctor in that the wider picture seems that it has saved seems to be that it has saved many many around the many, many lives around the world. but my i agree also with the fact that if we were told that it was tested on x amount of people and that batch that we were given was not, then i think anybody vaccinated or not pro—vaccine has right pro—vaccine or not has a right to query that and ask why. that's that's where i stand on it. >> doctor, if i it.— >> doctor, if i can ask it. >> doctor, if i can ask you again in relation to that, millions of lives saved. yes. now, that was a paper by a team led azra ghani of imperial led by azra ghani of imperial college in now the paper college london in now the paper was sponsored gavi, which is was sponsored by gavi, which is the melinda the bill and melinda gates foundation name by foundation by any other name by

the and melinda gates the bill and melinda gates foundation by the world foundation and by the world health organisation. dr. health organisation. and dr. azra remember, was azra ghani, let's remember, was pro vaccine and pro pro fear pro vaccine and pro lockdown throughout. so i would say questionable whether that would be an objective is a reasonable scientific things to believe in. >> and yet you continue to see and that's not that's not even that's before we even consider the fact that didn't take the fact that it didn't take into the waning toxicity into account the waning toxicity of the virus. >> it didn't take into account the way in which different age groups are affected. it didn't it into account all it didn't take into account all manner of variables. and yet you're still seeing millions of lives saved. and that's the only source for that claim. why, after i spoke out, if it's all safe and effective, if i could just if i could just let the doctor respond. >> well, i love the fact that you're trying to undermine mine science in general, but object. >> i object on every level to these. >> but just objecting is not enough. we need science . why did enough. we need science. why did the government stop? stop the rollout ? why? why did the rollout? why? why did the government stop the rollout of the to the under fives? the vaccines to the under fives?

when i spoke out in parliament last december when it was rolled out , if there last december when it was rolled out, if there was no last december when it was rolled out , if there was no risk, last december when it was rolled out, if there was no risk, i'm afraid, why did why when they were to authorise them, were asked to authorise them, why they end, as why didn't they in the end, as i say, i'm going to come back to my basic premise. >> i'm gp, i work on the >> i'm a gp, i work on the ground and the people that i saw with who died with covid who died were unvaccinated and the people who didn't ones who didn't die were the ones who were . and that the were vaccinated. and that is the same you talk to every same if you talk to every reasonable doctor around the world, have seen the effect world, they have seen the effect of that there is no of vaccines and that there is no doubt about. and the fact that you're bringing up this stuff is undermining the whole scientific principle. what's going to happenin principle. what's going to happen in the next pandemic? well, that's when there is and when these accounts are there. how react if another how did you react if another company another company brings along another vaccine? all going to vaccine? are you all going to say, sorry, won't do that? say, sorry, we won't do that? >> how do you react to the fact that the pfizer that when the pfizer spokesperson, answering spokesperson, in answering a question, made plain that pfizer had even asked to had never even been asked to test their product would test whether their product would stop transmission, yet the stop transmission, and yet the entire get an injection to save your community was predicated

upon a non—existing fact it had never been tested for stopping transmissibility . how did you transmissibility. how did you react to that? >> well, that was a later stage, wasn't it? the first thing to do wasn't it? the first thing to do was to protect individual people's and that we know it does. it not only protects you from dying, but it prevents you from dying, but it prevents you from getting serious disease and hospitalisation. from getting serious disease and hospitalisthat? doubting that? >> i absolutely question that. you the efficacy of the you question the efficacy of the fact that the pfizer pfizer vaccine well, if you're vaccine works well, if you're asking me, i think those products did nothing or they caused harm . but that's purely caused harm. but that's purely my opinion. >> know, that's nonsense. >> you know, that's nonsense. >> you know, that's nonsense. >> i'm going to go. it's a it's not it's a matter of scientific challenge. have you been. i have to to unfortunately, yes. >> so andrew bridgen . >> so andrew bridgen. >> so andrew bridgen. >> i haven't i am i am untouched by the needle and my whole family. we're going to talk about after after about dormice after this after we've good old think we've all had a good old think about what here in the about what happened here in the last five minutes

yes, there you all are still watching neil oliver live fittingly, in a world in which so many people seem to me to be sleeping through the greatest penod sleeping through the greatest period of change in recent history, our last item tonight is about that sleepiest of rodents, the dormouse 38 rare hazel dormice have been reintroduced to a specially prepared part of the national forest at calke abbey in derbyshire. here to tell us all about encouraging about this encouraging development white development is ian white dormouse training officer dormouse and training officer for wildlife the for wildlife charity the people's trust for endangered species . good evening. what an species. good evening. what an excellent job title you have . excellent job title you have. >> it's quite nice. i think i'm the only one in the uk, so it's quite a nice position to be in. how endangered is the dormouse? >> bobby seagull or. not >> bobby seagull or. not >> well, when formation we have from monitoring program, we've been running for the last 30 years shows that we've lost over 50% of our dormouse population

since the year 2000. so so yeah, in terms of population decline, that's quite significant . um, that's quite significant. um, and also we know there have been lost from at least 17 english counties in the last 100 years. so a decline in both range and population . population. >> what's happened since 2000, which is in evolutionary terms and the rest is recent as recent history, what has happened since then to half the population in i think it's kind of an ongoing ing situation. >> and the reason that dormouse numbers have declined, i suppose three reasons really. one is our woodland management practises have changed dormice are a species of kind of understory , species of kind of understory, the scrubby understory that comes around when woodlands are managed and we manage our woodlands a lot less these days to create that. also a lot of our woodland areas have becoming a lot more isolated in the landscape. it's much harder landscape. so it's much harder for find them and get for dormice to find them and get to and climate change to them. and also climate change is having an impact. winter seem to be more variable these days,

which a which isn't good for a hibernating animal like the dormouse. we're getting dormouse. and also we're getting wetter and wetter wetter springs and wetter summers that impact summers that can impact or negatively on their negatively impact on their breeding. >> 38, which is >> now the 38, which is obviously a very small number in the scheme things, are the scheme of things, are dormice enthusiastic breeders as you can. we expect that number quickly to increase . quickly to increase. >> no, they're not enthusiastic breeders, not in the way that you might consider something like mice or rats are, um dormice because they hibernate over winter. so there'll be a sleep for 5 to 6 months of the year when they come out of hibernation. they've got to restore their body condition to enable them to get them to breeding condition. they have relatively small litters, so their litter size is 4—4 young a yeah their litter size is 4—4 young a year. they generally have and they'll usually only produce one litter a year. but there's quite a lot maternal care goes into a lot of maternal care goes into those. young. so when they're when they're free to become independent, they're quite fairly survivability rates, quite good. but there's certainly , um, yeah, putting 38 certainly, um, yeah, putting 38 out, it takes a long time to

increase the population and it's clearly, i would say it's clearly, i would say it's clearly something that we owe a great deal to alice in wonderland. >> i think there's a genuine, abiding affection in for the, for the dormouse in britain. so we wish them all the very best. i've run out of time for this lovely story, ian, but thank you so much being able to offer so much for being able to offer that contribution . very that contribution. ian very illuminating. love a dormouse there we go. that's all we have time for this evening. thank you to all who are watching or listening . i'll be back. we'll listening. i'll be back. we'll be back at the same time next week . and julie, what did you week. and julie, what did you make of it, the show or the dormouse? both, if you like. the dormice felt guilty about because i'm a cat owner. >> so i was thinking, oh, god. but show, i think was but the show, i think was a really interesting debate, a lively debate. and okay, no. one, but one, everyone disagrees. but that's what this show is about. >> yeah, think i thought it >> yeah, i think i thought it was really apposite that was really apposite somehow that a rodent was the was the a sleepy rodent was the was the follow up for that. >> it was perfect. it was perfect. >> very good. very good. up next, though, is the wonderful

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west will be a little fresher. sunday morning, a bright start for many cloud and outbreaks of showery rain pushing into south east england and the rain across scotland takes its time to clear here. it's the day of here. and then it's the day of sunny and showers sunny spells and heavy showers once more showers most frequent across western parts of the uk. some thunderstorms could lead to some local disruption, particularly parts northern particularly parts of northern ireland wales , southwest ireland into wales, southwest england to and temperatures overall are a little lower compared to saturday highs around 25 or 26 celsius into the evening time. thunderstorms continue to push their way northwards, but they will ease by the end of the day and then overnight, we're looking at clear skies once more and temperatures just dropping a little lower compared to recent nights. but still, towns and cities 13 to 15 celsius. so it means a bright start for many. on monday morning, plenty of sunny spells , thicker cloud sunny spells, thicker cloud across the north of scotland and then all eyes to the west of this area. low pressure starts to bring in more showery rain

into western parts affecting parts of northern ireland, wales, the west country. at times to elsewhere. a mixture of sunny spells and scattered showers breaking through. further showers expected further showers are expected tuesday and wednesday , tuesday and wednesday, temperatures a little