of bya of by a police officer shooting of by a police officer of a teenager at a traffic stop. police dispersed the peaceful crowd from place de la republique. france's interior minister says more than 3000 people were arrested over six nights of riots . we're on tv nights of riots. we're on tv online, on dab+ radio and on tune into this is gb news. back now to the delightful . now to the delightful. saturday five. >> thank you, ray. it is saturday night and you are with the saturday five. i'm emily carver. get your feet up and the popcorn out. we are about to put the world to rights in just under an hour. without further ado, let's get the first debate underway is underway now. then darren is going us all about going to tell us all about border controls. come one, come. all doubt be his cry. all will no doubt be his cry. yes, it's time for grime time. >> yes, folks, it's time to end any court override in our

democratic demand for border controls over 12,500 people crossed the english channel on tiny boats with another 350 from france today in sanity , our france today in sanity, our prime minister says numbers are coming down, but gb news is told by maritime experts that they're only down because of the weather . it's the rain. it's not rishi that temporarily stopped the boats. be straight with us, rishi. those bleeding heart human rights defenders rushed to the pompous european court of human rights using blair's human rights act. sorry to put you off your saturday night tea. that is so often used and utilised by illegal migrants and dangerous foreign offenders to actually escape deportation. what about our god given right to feel safe and secure in our own homes? as british nationals, we need what we consistently vote for proper sturdy border controls. our

ancestors fought for our nation, yet we surrender it without a care. brexit was supposed to give us control, but have we used it? the horrific attack on a woman by an afghan immigrant and a suspected rape in skegness in the news over recent weeks, reveal the potential risks of accommodating arrivals in our towns . critics accuse me of towns. critics accuse me of dishonouring sir winston churchill's echr legacy, but that europol convention is today nowt like what he knew even attlee's labour government in the 50s had reservations about that foreign court and our sovereignty erosion. the echr blocks deportations using fancy articles, yet our conservative governments refuse choose to replace blair's human rights act with a british bill of rights. it's a mess. we won't ever have proper border controls until we rid ourselves of these courts . rid ourselves of these courts. but it's time politicians stood

up for your rights and for britain's rights . we demand a britain's rights. we demand a borderless britain. no more . borderless britain. no more. emily, i want to come to you first. what do you think? there is merit to getting out of the echr? >> well , you know what? i was >> well, you know what? i was thinking about this and the clock is ticking and time is running out on rishi sunak's pledge. he says he's going to stop the boats. absolutely no sign that that's happening. we know it's the weather. thanks to mark white, our and mark white, our home and security editor. he's told us it's the weather that's put a downer on the numbers. and as we see boats keep see nice weather, the boats keep coming. the difficulty is, is that i don't think the government has the cojones, let's say, to actually change the law in any meaningful way. and we've seen how the illegal migration bill is being held up. so much by the lords. this time. so much by the lords. this time. so it's impossible task. but i do think that if the conservative government decided to maybe run on a manifesto to do just that , they may win.

do just that, they may win. whether that's the right thing to do, i'm not sure i'm a little bit on the fence like keir starmer, but i think something needs to be done because , i needs to be done because, i mean, absolutely ludicrous mean, it's absolutely ludicrous at moment that have at the moment that you have local areas vetoing migrants coming to their area, but then saying, oh, we're welcome them anyway . well, where are they anyway. well, where are they going to go? i mean, ben lee, the stories in the press recently about military families being shipped out of where they were staying, because actually were staying, because actually we need somewhere to house illegal migrants. >> these stories are coming through fast. well, through thick and fast. well, the first priority of any government , of any nation is to government, of any nation is to protect its borders and to protect its borders and to protect its borders and to protect its citizens . protect its citizens. >> we've seen numerous >> and we've seen numerous accounts in recent weeks. we've had we've the rape up north. had we've had the rape up north. we've had the young lad in bournemouth or plymouth who was murdered previously convicted murdered by previously convicted double allowed double killer who was allowed into country. so the problem into the country. so the problem is need leave the echr. is we need to leave the echr. the problem is this the other problem is this government is so wet behind the ears that there's not a conservative in sight. i could probably five of on

probably count five of them on my single and that's about my single hand, and that's about it. so the actual it. so i think the actual solution to problem is solution to this problem is a labour government. but hear me out to give the tories four years in the wilderness to sort themselves out, get a rocket up their backsides, get themselves together, adopt some conservative policies and then come back , regroup and then come back, regroup and then tackle the echr when they've got some cohesion. >> exactly be >> what exactly would be conservative pulling out conservative about pulling out of echr , stopping the boats of the echr, stopping the boats and protecting our borders ? you and protecting our borders? you understand that small c conservative ism is about an aversion to change. so i just don't understand how getting rid of the echr jurisdiction of the united kingdom is going to solve this problem if we actually want to solve the problem of illegal immigration to europe, not just the united kingdom, that is going to require a closer cooperation with our european partners is going to require a returns deal with france. it's going to require the italians to return, deal with algeria in libya, because this is this is a european problem . um, and it european problem. um, and it requires a european solution , i

requires a european solution, i think irritating our european neighbours by leaving the echr is not going to help the situation. >> european friends don't care about cooperation. >> it is conservatism about cooperation. >>well, it is conservatism about cooperation. >>well, because conservatism about cooperation. >>well, because evenervatism about cooperation. >>well, because even in atism about cooperation. >>well, because even in clement as well, because even in clement attlee, who himself was a small c conservative, even though he was the founder of the nhs and a big labour party stalwart, he he actually had reservations about this because it infringed upon our sovereignty. i mean, look, after three months on this show, finally someone else calls for a labour government , bring them on. >> it wasn't quite quite the way in which i expected it to happen, but thank god, look what you've exposed in your monologue tonight is that the brexit you campaigned for and the claims you were are a lie. you made were are a lie. >> you sat on tv programmes and in your students unions and whatnot saying that if you got brexit, you'd have less immigration and less refugees and the opposite happened. and let finish. the reason is let me finish. the reason is because when we were in the eu it was easier to send people it was far easier to send people back to eu country. back to an eu country. now we can't guff was under can't what guff it was under your lovely president.

>> well, president, i almost just gave him honour which he just gave him an honour which he didn't prime minister didn't have. prime minister tony blair. allowed mass migration blair. he allowed mass migration to this country. and actually that's why he left the eu so much, because it has got nothing to do with the price of dinghy. >> let's get one thing straight. it is very, very difficult to deport people from this country . whatever means they get here, there are so many ways the law can be used and manipulated, in my view, to keep people who could potentially be a national risk. i'm not saying that everyone crossing the channel is , but at the moment we don't know . know. >> even those that are a risk to national security near impossible. >> and it was when we were in the european too. the european union too. >> absolutely was. >> yeah, it absolutely was. >> yeah, it absolutely was. >> going to have to leave >> we're going to have to leave it there, though, so it's going to one hell a show. up to be one hell of a show. up next, it's benjamin and he's going tell why he's going to tell us why he's annoyed a tory mp. stinging annoyed at a tory mp. stinging rebuke of social media users. personally, i don't think the mp went far enough anyway . here's went far enough anyway. here's benjamin's bugbear. went far enough anyway. here's benjamin's bugbear . oh, look , benjamin's bugbear. oh, look,

look, i am not a bedwetter for no matter how many times you say it on twitter or even when a government minister, the veterans minister, johnny mercer, says it. >> he said that he's sick of complaining, being >> he said that he's sick of complaining , being bedwetters complaining, being bedwetters moaning, bedwetters is on social media, criticising him and other ministers. but the truth is this is a government that hates free speech, hates the right to protest and doesn't give people the chance. and he is degrading the chance. and he is degrading the debates that we have . just the debates that we have. just take a look at this clip . take a look at this clip. >> given that the member of the conservative and the conservative party have shut down any form of meaningful protest, and he shouted across every member of this panel tonight, how else are we meant tonight, how else are we meant to get our point across? other than social media? okay >> yes, exactly . how else are we >> yes, exactly. how else are we meant to make the point? there are a lot of people in this country who are angry and frustrated at this disgraceful government. but what i think is so sad is to see a government

minister using phrases like bedwetter . this shows that the bedwetter. this shows that the government and the dialogue of politics in this country is in the gutter and it's the right wing that does it. they've gone from talking of swarms of migrants to bed wetting lefties . this is the despicable rhetoric of the hateful right . rhetoric of the hateful right. and i say it needs to end now. now i can't believe you've just described johnny mercer as an agent of the of the hateful right ? right? >> i mean, johnny mercer is probably wetter than i am, for goodness sake. i think it's perfectly reasonable to use terms like bedwetter in politics. i mean, what's wrong with it? i thought it was quite funny. what? funny. and, you know what? >> it a bit rich coming >> i find it a bit rich coming from someone like you. the abuse >> i find it a bit rich coming fromyou1eone like you. the abuse >> i find it a bit rich coming fromyou people ke you. the abuse >> i find it a bit rich coming fromyou people gave u. the abuse >> i find it a bit rich coming fromyou people gave to the abuse that you people gave to brexiteers calling racist, brexiteers calling them racist, dismissing bigots , and dismissing them as bigots, and actually people who watch this channel who are dismissed as being things too. and it's being those things too. and it's people that stoked up people like you that stoked up that and resentment towards that hate and resentment towards us. a majority of the country . us. a majority of the country. benjamin sorry. >> benjamin just look at the

trolls chief recently on trolls in chief recently on twitter carol vorderman twitter. carol vorderman totally venomous towards tories. super stansky your friend marina purkiss absolute bile. you never get that from the right . the get that from the right. the right like to form an argument and debate it properly. and the problem is the left think the right are evil, problem is the left think the right are evil , the right think right are evil, the right think the left are just stupid . the left are just stupid. >> these are people that you >> but these are people that you have. you have. katie hopkins, if you remember her, she talked about immigrants cockroaches . immigrants being cockroaches. you talking about you have people talking about swarms of immigrants. it is the dehumanising language, the kind, darren, that you used in your monologue about refugees . kyrees monologue about refugees. kyrees thatis monologue about refugees. kyrees that is the hateful rhetoric . that is the hateful rhetoric. >> benjamin bedwetter i mean, come on, you've got a sense of humour, don't you? >> it's not even true. >>— >> it's not even true. >> it's not even true. >> i need to make jokes that could be a little bit rude. use language that can be a little bit, you know, tetchy, perhaps, but i think close to the bone. >> i think, you know, beyond those kind of comments, those kind of funny comments, there's really point there's a really serious point here the rhetoric, here that i think the rhetoric, the way we discuss politics, the way we exchange ideas , has gone

way we exchange ideas, has gone into a really depressing place. and see too often on social and you see too often on social media where people dehumanise others , they don't take the others, they don't take the others, they don't take the other side into consideration. and to see a government minister doing that, i think is an appalling reflection. >> benjamin i think you have a decent point when it comes to saying that the standards of political have political discourse have plunged, i think the example plunged, but i think the example you used johnny mercer using you used of johnny mercer using bedwetter bbc question time bedwetter on bbc question time was actually just a poor example because i thought it was quite funny. of general funny. but in terms of general political discourse, yeah, i do think on both the left and the right, seen things right, we have seen things planned . planned. >> i actually agree with that >> so i actually agree with that point. that you point. but i think that you ought see that actually from ought to see that actually from the other the argument the other side of the argument as those of on the as well. those of us on the right of british politics, you should the that i get. >> well, i'm sorry, but the way people like you and others talk about transgender people just trying with their trying to get on with their lives, if that isn't hate, i don't know what is. >> what have i ever said that's hateful about trans person? hateful about a trans person? >> of their >> constant mockery of their existence, refugees, existence, mockery of refugees,

of trans people. and this puts debate in the gutter. you had suella braverman our disgraceful, useless home secretary who mocked keir starmer with transphobic jokes about might be the first about how he might be the first female nonsense. female absolute nonsense. >> call yourself or >> look, call yourself arthur or martha, where whatever you want. your mam's flowery dress don't care. >> not worn that your heels >> not worn that in your heels on the rest of it. on all the rest of it. >> do whatever you like, but you don't right walk into don't have a right to walk into women's single sex spaces. that's i've ever said that that's all i've ever said that is hateful. so actually , i is not hateful. so actually, i reject that in the strongest possible terms . and i think that possible terms. and i think that just shows how weak your argument benjamin argument actually is. benjamin do you know what i think? >> i think the left left generically. often get confused with a little bit of criticism and they assume that it is massively offensive or insulting if someone doesn't agree with self—identification , an it self—identification, an it doesn't mean that they've said something nasty, fair something nasty, let's be fair mean that they've said something abusive . abusive. >> emily the right does it. the right it well. it's not right does it as well. it's not only the that gets only the left that gets overdramatic they're overdramatic when they're insulted see wingers insulted. you see right wingers getting upset with pride getting so upset with pride

flags burning them. getting so upset with pride f|mean burning them. getting so upset with pride f|mean , burning them. getting so upset with pride f|mean , for burning them. getting so upset with pride f|mean , for goodness|ing them. getting so upset with pride f|mean , for goodness sake, |em. i mean, for goodness sake, everyone in politics just needs to grow toughen up and get to grow up, toughen up and get on with the tough debate . on with the tough debate. >> just, benjamin, go back to your point. i can your trans point. i can guarantee people do not guarantee 99% of people do not have problem with trans people have a problem with trans people living and as living their lives and see as they i'm a libertarian. they fit. i'm a libertarian. people can do what they want, but when you start introducing children the children and babies into the mix, that's when people will stand doesn't mean stand up. that doesn't mean they're transphobes stand up. that doesn't mean the sticking transphobes stand up. that doesn't mean thesticking up transphobes stand up. that doesn't mean the sticking up for'ansphobes stand up. that doesn't mean the sticking up for redihobes stand up. that doesn't mean the sticking up for red line. s for sticking up for red line. well, red line, i think i >>i -- >> i think m >> i think there's an intolerance that has come into our i think our society and i just think it's not a lot to expect government ministers to hold higher about the higher standards about the unvaccinated, will return. unvaccinated, but will return. well, unvaccinated continue well, the unvaccinated continue to disgrace. come to be a disgrace. emily, come tonight in my palava i'll be discussing keir starmer's latest anfics. antics. >> i've got a lot to say on that. and lewis hamilton will be the subject of guest host ben leo's broadside. but first, let's get your latest weather . let's get your latest weather. >> that warm feeling inside from boxed boilers . proud sponsors of boxed boilers. proud sponsors of weather on gb news hello there.

>> i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast where we continue to see some heavy showers , possible see some heavy showers, possible thunderstorms through the rest of the weekend and still fairly warm and humid across the uk . warm and humid across the uk. looking at the bigger picture in this of low pressure just this area of low pressure just sits west of us allowing sits to the west of us allowing that come up from that warm air to come up from the near continent. developing those shower clouds and thunderstorms the uk thunderstorms across the uk right through the of the right through the rest of the weekend. we still have weekend. and we still have thundery across thundery showers across the north this saturday north and east this saturday evening . be local evening. could be some local disruption, some longer spells of rain scotland. north east of rain for scotland. north east england for a time too, into the early but for it early hours. but for many it will become quieter. there'll be clear spells, but still fairly warm tonight warm and humid. tonight particularly in the east. lows of 17 or 18 degrees whilst the west will be a little fresher. sunday morning. a bright start for many cloud and outbreaks of showery rain pushing into south—east the rain south—east england and the rain across takes its time across scotland takes its time to clear here. and then it's the day of sunny spells and heavy showers more showers most

showers once more showers most frequent western parts of frequent across western parts of the uk. some thunderstorms could lead to some local disruption, particularly parts of northern ireland, wales, southwest ireland, into wales, southwest england , too, and temperatures england, too, and temperatures overall a little lower compared to saturday. highs around 25 or 26 celsius into the evening time . thunderstorms continue to push their way northwards , but they their way northwards, but they will ease by the end of the day. and then overnight, we're looking at clear skies once more and temperatures just dropping a little lower compared to recent nights. but still, towns and cities, 13 to 15 celsius. so it means a bright start for many. on monday morning, plenty of sunny spells , thicker cloud sunny spells, thicker cloud across the north of scotland and then all eyes to the west of this area. low pressure starts to bring in more showery rain into western parts affecting parts of northern ireland, wales, the west country. at times to elsewhere. a mixture of sunny spells and scattered showers through . showers breaking through. further expected further showers are expected tuesday and wednesday , tuesday and wednesday, temperatures a little fresher than they have been of late .

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radio . radio. >> welcome back to the saturday five. >> welcome back to the saturday five.thank >> welcome back to the saturday five. thank you for all of your emails. so on border control, steve says it's all down to the politician is not caring about the people who made this country great. they have their own agenda had since the agenda and have had since the 50s. that's what darren grimes was talking about earlier. john says , ha ha, benjamin looks like says, ha ha, benjamin looks like a wetter to me. or maybe it a bed wetter to me. or maybe it is just a bit hot in the studio. >> benjamin i deny everything . >> benjamin i deny everything. >> benjamin i deny everything. >> right. well, let's get into our next debate. >> up next, it's albion and alby's going to talk about what he sees as taxpayer funded racial segregation . it's time racial segregation. it's time for alby's argument . for alby's argument. >> eight words i thought i would never describe about the united kingdom taxpayer funded racial segregation . yes, you heard it. segregation. yes, you heard it. taxpayer funded racial segregation is what's being

proposed in the labour led hanngey proposed in the labour led haringey council for the education program for their students at a primary school, the telegraph reported earlier on today that for children from black and black heritage families , a special saturday families, a special saturday school is going to be set up to help them accelerate their skills in reading and writing. now there is just so much about this which irritates me . but this which irritates me. but first of all, let me just say that taxpayer funded racial segregation in education is completely unaccept bill, and we should not be in porting these american ideas of critical race theory and race relations into our united kingdom. first of all, why do these teachers feel that only black children are uniquely special and need extra help? it's almost an insult to suggest that black students are the only students who need extra help in schools . taxpayer funded help in schools. taxpayer funded resources should be targeted at people most in need , and that

people most in need, and that appues people most in need, and that applies to education. decisions should be made about special education support based on people's needs , not based on people's needs, not based on their skin colour. it's absolutely outrageous and it completely forgets that if we look at the different age cohorts and the different racial cohorts and the different racial cohorts of schools, we in fact know that black african families are some of the highest performing cohorts in the country , whereas its white country, whereas its white working class children and black canbbean working class children and black caribbean children who perform relatively badly compared to other cohorts. so it's about time that we left this race relations claptrap to the yanks and stuck to what us british do best. finding common sense solutions to our problems . and solutions to our problems. and in this instance, that's targeting educational support based on educational need , not based on educational need, not based on educational need, not based on educational need, not based on who has the most melanin . melanin. >> so i completely agree with you, actually. right. and i think that was really good, really powerful stuff. but what i would say is that as a champion of lgbt plus whatever

conservatives , do you not think conservatives, do you not think that the answer, the reason this is all happening is because of the what i would call as strongly as this the cancer of identity politics, which is pushing diversity and inclusion in into schools and other areas of public life where people are saying, well, you know, we've got to view everything through the lens of identity and race. >> so what's your question to me? >> sorry. so my question is, do you think it's the cancer of identity politics that's actually leading to these things happening? >> i think it is the cancer of people seeming to think they have good ideas. they've got well meaning intentions, but actually the execution of their ideasis actually the execution of their ideas is terrible. i think it's perfectly reasonable to say there is in some cases a an attainment gap gap between certain groups of society and therefore it's perfectly reasonable for public services and public institutions to implement processes to close

those attainment gaps. but it's completely wrong in this case for that to be a black white attainment gap when , as attainment gap when, as i mentioned in my monologue, black african children had some of the best education outcomes in the country its white working country and its white working class kids black caribbean class kids and black caribbean children who have some of the worst exclude the white worst. so why exclude the white working class children and include the black african children? i don't think actually those aren't the people that need help. those aren't the people that neei help. those aren't the people that neei don't help. those aren't the people that neei don't think elp. those aren't the people that neei don't think that's what's >> i don't think that's what's going first of all, going on. i mean, first of all, this is a charity that works with lots of schools and their focus, what they are funded for is people from black is to help people from black communities, black heritage families , as you described. so families, as you described. so there they exist for this specific purpose. the fact that there are there probably is maybe there isn't inherently a white working class group doing that something that should be that is something that should be solved. know what? solved. but you know what? i passionately with what passionately agree with what they call positive they sometimes call positive discrimination . well, hang on. discrimination. well, hang on. because trying to because you're trying to overcome injustice and inequality. >> there would never be such a thing for white working class kids . there just wouldn't. so

kids. there just wouldn't. so that's totally disingenuous to say the same thing could happen if someone set it up. you've had people who've tried to donate money to universities and schools white working class schools for white working class boys to give them scholarships , boys to give them scholarships, andifs boys to give them scholarships, and it's been turned down because doesn't fit the because it doesn't fit the zeitgeist, does it? so that's totally disingenous i totally disingenous well, so i would this school is in would say this school is in nonh would say this school is in north london. extremely north london. it's an extremely diverse area. there are not just black kids and white kids. there's people from all over , there's people from all over, from all different heritage, all different backgrounds . this is different backgrounds. this is just continuation of black just the continuation of black lives matter and it's is actually quite toxic. >> black lives do matter what it does, what it does, the movement , it blows apart the myth of white privilege. >> it's an absolute con and it's a lie. and actually, this story isn't too dissimilar to the black theatre story from thursday where an east thursday night, where an east london theatre held a black only play. whites were essentially banned. and for what? it's racism. i went down there myself with a camera and i said, what about martin luther king's quote, where dreamt of a day quote, where he dreamt of a day where his children would grow up

in a nation where they wouldn't where his children would grow up in judged] where they wouldn't where his children would grow up in judged byhere they wouldn't where his children would grow up in judged by their:hey wouldn't where his children would grow up in judged by their skinwouldn't where his children would grow up in judged by their skin colour.t be judged by their skin colour. but of their but the content of their character. and nobody down there could. >> we're not at that >> we're clearly not at that point black caribbeans, as point when black caribbeans, as albie much worse. albie said, do so much worse. yes, so do white working yes, but so do white working class children. >> that point about >> but on that point about white working children, ben leo, working class children, ben leo, would it also be wrong if there was special saturday lessons to help white working class children with their with their numeracy and literacy? >> why you have to segregate >> why do you have to segregate by colour? >> just just give me an answer. >> just just give me an answer. >> would you segregate by colour? >> because reason your answer, your explanation is it your explanation is false. it seems assume the seems to assume that the segregation trying to segregation occurs at trying to deal with inequality. the deal with the inequality. the segregation there in society segregation is there in society and how the opportunities are dished out. don't try and tell me that black people are overrepresented in top universities , cities or top universities, cities or top jobs. how many black people are running 100 companies or running ftse100 companies or presenting shows? it is rare i >> actually. this hum >> actually. this is actually the problem , and it really the problem, and it really irritates me when people talk about black people, like we're one monolithic group. you one monolithic group. if you actually look black african

actually look at black african and black caribbean , the and black caribbean, the outcomes are very different. in fact, black african students are overrepresented at the top universities in the country. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> not so much in employment, but certainly at university. >> exactly right. but still ahead, i will be having my say on keir starmer. not going on keir starmer. i'm not going to lessons from to be taking rac lessons from that know. but that man. i'll let you know. but coming up next on new presenter ben leo will be launching a broadside and lewis hamilton will be the unwitting victim. ben best known, of course, ben is best known, of course, for his role on dan wootton tonight, where he likes to cause mischief streets. let's mischief on the streets. let's take a look. there's a home office scheme where can office scheme where you can house migrant. house a migrant. >> you like to sign up for that? >> oh, if i had space. >> oh, if i had space. >> you don't have space. >> you don't have space. >> no, no. what's your flag about? >> so this is the extinction rebellion logo, right? >> do you know what% of global emissions the uk responsible emissions the uk is responsible for? know the for? i don't actually know the figure the top of my head. figure off the top of my head. i'm afraid. yeah, yeah, yeah. don't speak to gb news speak in an chamber where we hear an echo chamber where we hear our own views. know, i've our own views. you know, i've got room for for an got a spare room for a for an albanian. don't think so. no.

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school teachers are male? all these statistics lead me to think that all children in education are being denied a balanced perception of a learning experience . well, learning experience. well, there's a that's a good point. yeah now it's time for our next debate . up next, it's guest debate. up next, it's guest presenter ben leo, and ben has a few thoughts about lewis hamilton's late pronouncements. it's time for ben's broadside . it's time for ben's broadside. >> and thank you, mr grimes. now it's the british grand prix. tomorrow and although he's not winning races anymore , lewis winning races anymore, lewis hamilton continues to collect the prize for the world's biggest hypocrite. asked about just stop oil plans to disrupt tomorrow's race, lewis bizarrely declared he supports the climate losers and even believes in their cause . well, let me tell their cause. well, let me tell you, that's rich coming from the man who's made millions racing, gas guzzling cars and touring the world in private jets for decades. and if lewis cared that much, i'd tell you he'd quit formula one immediately. but he doesn't . and he won't because doesn't. and he won't because his virtue signalling knows no

bounds. his virtue signalling knows no bounds . this is the man who made bounds. this is the man who made mercedes paint their cars black after the murder of george floyd and accused his fellow drivers of racism if they didn't take the knee for the black lives matter scam, lewis gets away with just stop oil hypocrisy because he's wearing a rainbow. a rainbow flag on his helmet. this weekend, he talks about diversity and inclusion an and he plays by the rules of the established pageant so rejects the evidence of your eyes and ears. lewis hamilton is one of the good guys as a racing driver eco warrior. imagine that. and if you disagree, well , you're if you disagree, well, you're just a racist bigot . just a racist bigot. >> very good . very good. >> very good. very good. >> very good. very good. >> well, you said it. >> well, you said it. >> you were a fellow woke token of lewis. and i guarantee you cannot defend even this outright. well it was good of you to describe yourself at the end. >> that was a nice look. you know, i take real frustration with this argument. it's like when people say to extinction rebellion activists, if they have a foreign holiday, why don't you walk to the amazon by foot? it's a decent argument.

it's not a decent argument because the truth is that because it is the truth is that the problems that have are the problems that we have are systemic cannot blame systemic and you cannot blame people within a system trying to change the system for something so much larger than that . so much larger than that. >> if someone if someone thought that there was genuinely going to be a climate catastrophe within years, there is no way that you would get on to a private jet, is there? if you actually thought the world was going to go up in flames, which is what? just stop oil, say will happen we don't stop oil and happen if we don't stop oil and gas now. and it's what people like extinction rebellion say. then way then there is absolutely no way you drive a formula one you would drive a formula one car living . it is all car for a living. it is all virtue signalling he does not care one iota about the planet. really. he cares more about the diamantes he's got in his ears. well, real diamonds then. anything else ? come on. it's anything else? come on. it's obvious. it's we see, this week was the hottest day recorded on earth since records began. >> if that doesn't show you how important it is that people as famous and respected as lewis hamilton to be talking about

beside the point, this is the point. >> even if the global the climate crisis is genuine, it is. i don't think it is. even if it was even if it was. and lewis believes it is, why is he still racing in formula one? why is he still racing his car around the track 200 miles an hour, touring the world in trucks and all his team's travelling follow him team's travelling to follow him as ? why? the as well? why? because it's the system also though. >> ben i actually think there's something pretty rich coming from a lefty who argues from a lefty there who argues that people who perhaps rishi sunak being attacked in the past for having business affairs in the united states of america. well lewis hamilton has a tax haven for his home. so and he got a knighthood . got a knighthood. >> i'm not here to defend that. but look, alby, you go on. >> i am actually quite disappointed that lewis has decided to take this i'm decided to take this line. i'm a big lewis hamilton fan. to see someone of mixed race heritage do so well in formula one. for me, growing up was very important, and i think he's done some amazing work with some of the that he's championed.

the causes that he's championed. but think that a but i'm afraid i think that a racing car driver, eco warrior as ben, so well put, is really even pushing my support to the limit. it'sjust even pushing my support to the limit. it's just ridiculous . i limit. it'sjust ridiculous. i think it's fine to talk about climate change. it's fine to be concerned about the climate emergency, but don't bang the drum if you're driving a car for a living. >> can just say, isn't it more >> can i just say, isn't it more powerful that someone from an industry is so polluting industry that is so polluting is speaking out against it that would have more influence on formula one? >> so why do just stop oil protest against companies like bp and shell who are actually doing more for the green revolution with technology revolution with the technology that developing than that they're developing than any other the world? other companies in the world? >> benjamin do you know what saint saint hamilton do saint saint hamilton could do tomorrow at the british grand prix? he could stop in the middle the track, get out and middle of the track, get out and say, enough. i'm not say, i've had enough. i'm not doing world's to doing this. the world's going to burn. point is, it's not burn. but the point is, it's not about individuals. >> about the system. >> it's about the system. >> it's about the system. >> yes, it is. >>— >> yes, it is. >> and he's stood there and he's got these oil brands emblazoned >> and he's stood there and he's got tihise oil brands emblazoned >> and he's stood there and he's got tihis formula ds emblazoned >> and he's stood there and he's got tihis formula one mblazoned >> and he's stood there and he's got tihis formula one uniform.�*d upon his formula one uniform. >> are people like? >> what are people like? >> what are people like? >> thunberg, an extinction

>> greta thunberg, an extinction rebellion. they say rebellion. they say they say when fly off to maga or when they fly off to maga or probably somewhere like the canbbean probably somewhere like the caribbean , isn't it? they say, caribbean, isn't it? they say, oh, one person alone can't change. >> that's true. >> that's true. >> it's the system . the system. >> it's the system. the system. lewis hamilton is part of the system . he probably uses more system. he probably uses more carbon than, you know, 10,000 people living in. >> i think he probably doesn't even believe there's a climate catastrophe. he's probably just saying it for of course, i think, you know, lewis hamilton is the prince harry of racing. >> he is trying to change the institution from within and that has power. >> are giving this good go. >> it is a really have seen and heard it all. now mind. i honestly really have. so you think element of think there's no element of hypocrisy in him hypocrisy whatsoever in him having emblazoned having oil brands emblazoned upon well talks upon his body. well as he talks about net well , hang upon his body. well as he talks about net well, hang on. about net zero, well, hang on. >> i haven't we haven't fact checked. if he has oil brands, i don't if does. don't know if he does. >> his mercedes team is sponsored petronas, is >> his mercedes team is stalaysian petronas, is >> his mercedes team is stalaysian oiletronas, is >> his mercedes team is stalaysian oil giant., is a malaysian oil giant. >> look, if you've got somewhere who's rooms with these who's in the rooms with these companies who is seriously influential, who great influential, who has a great

financial motivation to change an company, thinking about an oil company, thinking about the number of zeros that on the number of zeros that are on his paycheque. >> benjamin in meetings, >> benjamin in those meetings, there absolutely else there is absolutely nothing else , it takes more , i think i think it takes more power someone in the room power to be someone in the room with a vested interest to turn around and say that the climate crisis is happening than to be outside of the room than with nothing to lose. >> risks his reputation and >> he risks his reputation and the diatribe like you who the diatribe of like you who just who reject science. the diatribe of like you who just people �*ject science. the diatribe of like you who just people who science. the diatribe of like you who just people who take ce. the diatribe of like you who just people who take a. the diatribe of like you who justpeople who take a knife the diatribe of like you who just people who take a knife to the diatribe of like you who justpeople who take a knife to be >> people who take a knife to be respected say we should abolish the honours system. >> absolute nonsense. absolute hypocrisy. beyond hypocrisy. b eyond hypocrisy, hypocrisy. beyond hypocrisy, aren't >> beyond the hypocrisy, aren't we just fed with lewis we just fed up with lewis preaching people about stupid? >> absolutely. we and >> absolutely. we are. and i actually think it's disgusting that majesty, late that her majesty, our late majesty, the queen was asked to give one, to be honest. but give him one, to be honest. but there still, so to there we are, still, so to speak, ahead, mbappe likes speak, still ahead, mbappe likes to keep a keen eye on labour leader sir keir starmer , and she leader sir keir starmer, and she found his oral skills wanting. it's almost time for the carpet palaver. you're with the saturday five live on .

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places already. well, there's some debate for benjamin . now, some debate for benjamin. now, though. it's time for our final debate up next. it's emily, and emily's going to give keir starmer a good old fashioned verbal tone lesson . it's time verbal tone lesson. it's time for the carver palaver. >> am i really ? well, earlier >> am i really? well, earlier this week, keir starmer said confident speaking gives you a steely core. >> so for a man like keir, who spends so much time on the fence, i can see why he might need strong abs quite the balancing act. trying to appeal to all by saying as little as humanly possible. but we humanly possible. but there we go. now i am of course referring to one of keir starmer's big new ideas, which there have been ideas, of which there have been notably few that being to introduce rac in schools. yes, i hadnt introduce rac in schools. yes, i hadn't heard that word either. so now think we can all agree so now i think we can all agree that we'd like children to be able to form coherent sentences and construct a sensible argument leave argument by the time they leave school . it seems sir keir school. but it seems sir keir might to enrol a lesson might need to enrol in a lesson or himself . take this rather or few himself. take this rather awkward moment when activists from deal rising from green new deal rising rather gently disturbed his

riveting speech for 28 billion per year. >> i came on the mission on green power . green power. >> we did that last one. we've done that one. will you just which side are the labor party on? >> we are on the side of economic growth. >> will you just let me please get on with this ? get on with this? >> oh, toe curling stuff. so as you can see, keir is not exactly exhibiting the steely core and debating prowess that he wishes for all school leavers, but hey, perhaps he can look to his deputy for inspiration . deputy for inspiration. >> if we cannot get any worse than a bunch of scum , than a bunch of scum, homophobic, racist, misogynistic . nana narinder kaur. mark dolan tonight d. >> etonian dr mo khaki hinckley decent stop look at that. >> beautiful rac . more seriously >> beautiful rac. more seriously though, as gb news regular joanna williams pointed out this week, it's all well and good

children being able to express themselves clearly , but they themselves clearly, but they need to have something worth saying . what's the point in saying. what's the point in having gift of gab having the gift of the gab if you have substance to you have little substance to backit you have little substance to back it up? someone less polite than myself might argue some of our are a testament our politicians are a testament to wasn't too long ago to this. it wasn't too long ago that rishi sunak made maths his flagship policy, but least we flagship policy, but at least we can say rishi demonstrably can say rishi is demonstrably good maths . keir quite can't good at maths. keir quite can't quite say the same for rac, can he? but at least he's taught us one lesson. you absolutely one life lesson. you absolutely cannot charisma . well, cannot teach charisma. well, there you go . there you go. >> i so passion disagree with you about this . you know, you you about this. you know, you delivered that beautifully because you have the posh private school girl confidence, right? that is the fact of the matter, benjamin. but it's true. you know, people often i've been asked so many times, people have assumed that i went to a private school and i didn't you know, i was a council estate was born into a council estate and went to a state comp. but i went to a school that really focussed on speaking and listening, as call it in listening, as they call it in the area. >> more of you there there's

>> more of you there are there's two. >> more of you there are there's tonhere's at my school and >> there's 2000 at my school and i think it makes a massive difference people to have difference to people to have that to explain that confidence to explain themselves, the themselves, to know the vocabulary speak vocabulary and how to speak clearly big deal in british clearly is a big deal in british society. >> completely agree. we need >> i completely agree. we need to speak, but i've been doing some research about this policy . this is not a new . see, and this is not a new idea. been advocated since idea. it's been advocated since 1965. it's actually the pet project of a blairite. peter hyman, who actually put this into practise. in one school. they a policy of rac in this they had a policy of rac in this school . and what happened? they school. and what happened? they got marked down from outstanding to requires improvement. that's the lowest 20% of schools. why because teachers didn't check the standing of the pupils. it was all about the rac and not about knowledge, they said, about the knowledge, they said, worrying pupils worrying gaps in pupils knowledge. so this is a debate that have, whether that people can have, whether it's to focus on it's more important to focus on knowledge or skills. what do you reckon, ben? >> can i just say, first >> well, can i just say, first of to steal a phrase from of all to steal a phrase from our nigel starmer our friend nigel farage starmer should man line should be the first man in line for own lessons . he's for his own oracy lessons. he's got personality of damp got the personality of a damp rag the appearance of a low

rag and the appearance of a low grade bank clerk. but on a more serious note, it's a rich serious note, it's a bit rich for starmer to suggesting rac for starmer to be suggesting rac lessons. the who lessons. this is the man who pushed for and faster pushed for harder and faster lockdown downs during covid, subjecting 3 to 4 million children, including my own son, by the way, to delayed speech problems, explaining themselves and generally a lack of a lack of oratory skills that you'd expect from peers their own age. in normal times, it's a good point. >> i mean, i want less rac and more well, certainly less moronically that of the kind that new word, their new word is we're all inventing new words tonight because actually, i mean , talking about sir keir starmer and his oral skills is enough to put me off my dinner. but i think there's a fundamental point here that what kids are being taught schools at the being taught in schools at the minute, and i'll be has hit on a point that i think is really fundamental. even things like critical race theory that's going through schools talking about the trans debate all the time, i want actually politicians focus on getting politicians to focus on getting kids back to basics, getting

kids back to basics, getting kids fit for the future. but i will actually just say on education, the uk government has actually played a blinder especially literary skills. especially in literary skills. >> up to the four >> we moved up to the top four in the world. yeah most in the entire world. yeah most in the entire world. yeah most in the entire world. yeah most in the most recent reporting. so we are actually doing quite well in areas. do in those core areas. i do actually think there is some merit both. keir starmer and merit in both. keir starmer and benjamin's maybe benjamin's argument and maybe the criticisms you going the criticisms about you going to school. to to a private school. i went to a private school to my sisters. both to state schools. one both went to state schools. one of things that we talk about of the things that we talk about is that that is that we is that is that is that we didn't think the education was that different, the that different, but the confidence people skills confidence and the people skills that into private school that go into a private school gives apart from gives you sets you apart from others. i think state school others. and i think state school children to children should have access to that as well. >> i think that's a great point. and in fact, over qualifications and the art of and degrees, i value the art of being able to speak to someone and hold a conversation more above and when i above any of that. and when i was reporter at the sun was a reporter at the sun newspaper, i was there for seven years. get coming years. we'd get people coming straight for straight from university for work experience, degrees work experience, us degrees qualifications everywhere. but you what? couldn't you know what? they couldn't pick phone. they couldn't pick up the phone. they couldn't knock a door. they couldn't

knock on a door. they couldn't say and ask say hello to someone and ask them and one of the them questions and one of the things that's come out this things that's come out of this debate people think debate is that some people think it's a bit elitist . it's a bit elitist. >> they think he's talking about having it's easy you to say having it's easy for you to say no talk the elocution of no talk about the elocution of southerners. i'm not that's southerners. i'm not sure that's fair. but that is something that people you don't agree people have said you don't agree with that? >> no, i mean, i was just going to say, actually, worked in a to say, actually, i worked in a call when younger call centre when i was younger and that that had and that had that had a massively beneficial effect on my on my to communicate. my on my ability to communicate. so, you know, getting a part time at is also one of time job at 16 is also one of the things propel the things that can propel centre experience. the things that can propel cenabsolutely,)erience. the things that can propel cenabsolutely, that's:e. to >> absolutely, that's the way to go. but you've had buffoons go. but when you've had buffoons like boris johnson as prime minister with nothing between, there the oral skills. >> i mean in order left it's on twitter always say and twitter always love to say and criticise me being a failed criticise me for being a failed hairdresser i left hairdresser because i left school was school, school while i was at school, did a lot of other things. 15 i was 15 and i worked in a hair salon and it was the best thing iever salon and it was the best thing i ever did. give me a favour, actually. >> give confidence. >> give me confidence. >> give me confidence. >> absolutely. quite >> absolutely. this is quite interesting you've been interesting because you've been saying the private school girl,

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. >> actually be >> i actually used to be terrified picking the terrified at picking up the phone. died. was phone. terrified died. it was only i was terrified as the only when i was terrified as the person on other end. well, person on the other end. well, exactly. what i was exactly. that's what i was always are always thinking. oh, what are they think? blah, blah, they going to think? blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. but getting back the point, think keir back to the point, i think keir starmer a bit silly starmer looks a bit silly because education starmer looks a bit silly becaushas education starmer looks a bit silly becaushas actuallyiucation starmer looks a bit silly becaushas actually been on starmer looks a bit silly becaushas actually been quite policy has actually been quite good last one of good in the last years. one of those things that the government hasn't out hasn't actually made a mess out of, said, literacy is of, as albee said, literacy is up, reading skills, etcetera, etcetera. so see. etcetera. are up. so we'll see. keir is rac well, we're keir starmer is rac well, we're going have leave. going to have to leave. >> sir keir starmer's oral for another day, but cheers very much to you for your company tonight. interesting tonight. some very interesting emails come in. emma says, emails have come in. emma says, who's he's. who's this new guy? he's. he's. well there are. send that well there we are. send that fiver in the post. ben paul says is this the cute darren grimes on onlyfans ? i don't think so on onlyfans? i don't think so but if there's money to be made ian says , please tell emily ian says, please tell emily carver that she has the most beautiful hair i've seen in decades. you can thank sir james dyson . next up, though, it's the dyson. next up, though, it's the brilliant mark dolan. thanks so much to my brilliant panel who

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than £35,000 for the images . the than £35,000 for the images. the sun newspaper says the young person was 17 years old and the teen's family complained to bbc bosses in may. in a statement, the bbc said it takes any bosses in may. in a statement, the bbc said it takes any allegations very seriously and allegations very seriously and will act on any information that will act on any information that comes to light. the former home comes to light. the former home secretary described that secretary described that response as dear diary and is response as dear diary and is calling for a full and calling for a full and transparent investigation . the transparent investigation . the transparent investigation. the transparent investigation. the prime minister says britain prime minister says britain discourages the use of cluster discourages the use of cluster munitions after the united munitions after the united states agreed to send them to states agreed to send them to ukraine. president biden says he ukraine. president biden says he stands by that decision, despite invasion stands by that decision, despite criticism from human rights criticism from human rights groups. rishi sunak , who will groups. rishi sunak , who will groups. rishi sunak, who will meet mr biden in london on groups. rishi sunak, who will meet mr biden in london on monday ahead of the nato summit monday ahead of the nato summit , says britain is supporting , says britain is supporting kyiv in other ways . kyiv in other ways . kyiv in other ways. >> uk is signatory to a kyiv in other ways. >> uk is signatory to a convention which prohibits the convention which prohibits the production or use of cluster production or use of cluster munitions and discourages their munitions and discourages their use. we will continue to do our use. we will continue to do our part to support ukraine against part to support ukraine against russia's illegal and unprovoked russia's illegal and unprovoked

invasion when we've done that by providing heavy battle tanks and most