anyway, they've been meeting . anyway, they've been meeting. they reassure us that the uk us special relationship is rock solid . is it.7 do we even need solid. is it.7 do we even need this special relationship? does it lead us into more trouble than good and of course, it's on the eve of the nato summit. some people saying that ukraine should be admitted to nato. other people going an entirely different way, saying actually nato shouldn't even be a thing. what says you on all of that? and of course, we've had the horrendous situation of a uk school today where you've seen a

teacher get stabbed by a pupil, a whole class, whole school locked down. people are absolutely terrified. i'll tell you, it's got me thinking. i reckon it's time to have metal detectors at the entrance of every single school in this country. do you agree with me, or am i being a little bit farfetched? i'm sure you'll tell me your thoughts. and our father , who art in heaven. yes. the lord's prayer now apparently might get a bit of a makeover. some people are saying that the word father is triggering for women that have been abused. what do you think to this ? is what do you think to this? is this just common sense progress and all the rest of it, or is it another example of the world gone mad and the bbc? oh, it's all kicking off, isn't it? have you seen presenter . who is all kicking off, isn't it? have yotwell, presenter . who is all kicking off, isn't it? have yotwell, most presenter . who is all kicking off, isn't it? have yotwell, most ofasenter . who is all kicking off, isn't it? have yotwell, most of us nter . who is all kicking off, isn't it? have yotwell, most of us know. nho is all kicking off, isn't it? have yotwell, most of us know. but is it? well, most of us know. but don't worry, i will not be telling you. some people say no, that parliament this person that in parliament this person should be really what should be named. really what about innocent until proven guilty ? your thoughts on all of guilty? your thoughts on all of that? joining me, peter hitchens

and alex steen. but before we get stuck in, let's get the news, shall . we news, shall. we >> thanks, michel. i'm ray addison from the gb newsroom. it's 6:02. our top story , police it's 6:02. our top story, police have met with the bbc following reports that a presenter paid a teenager for explicit photos. the force says it will now work to establish if there is any evidence of a criminal offence . evidence of a criminal offence. the corporation announced yesterday that it had suspended the unnamed star almost two months after a complaint was first made. justice secretary alex chalk has indicated there may need to be an investigation on into how the allegations were handled. >> these are really serious and really concerning allegations and they need to be investigated, investigated quickly now in the fullness of time, it may be there will be a consideration as to how this was deau consideration as to how this was dealt with. i think the important thing now, however , important thing now, however, for is that these matters are investigated. that's

investigated. whether that's within the bbc, but also potentially by the police, if indeed that's what the police decide to do. >> a teenager has been arrested on suspicion of attempts , murder on suspicion of attempts, murder after a teacher was stabbed at tewkesbury academy in gloucester shire. the secondary school was put into temporary lockdown , put into temporary lockdown, along with two neighbouring schools . that followed concerns schools. that followed concerns that the suspect may have fled the scene. assistant chief constable richard okon confirmed that there were no other casualties . casualties. >> as we received a call from the ambulance service telling us a male teacher had been stabbed in a corridor at the school . he in a corridor at the school. he was taken to hospital with a single stab wound and remains in a stable condition. the suspect was safely arrested by firearms officers in stoke orchard at 11:00 this morning . a knife was 11:00 this morning. a knife was seized during that arrest. >> well, miles cummings is a year seven pupil at the school. he described his fear following

that incident. >> we're all like locked in to the classroom so none of us can, like, leave. the only time we can, like, leave is if one of us, like, needed the toilet or something. i was freaking out. really scared, like, because i didn't have my phone on me because i forgot it . so because i forgot it. so i couldn't talk to my and dad couldn't talk to my mum and dad or brother us president joe or my brother us president joe biden has completed his brief tour of the uk after meetings with the prime minister and the king. >> he's now travelled to lithuania for a two day nato summit which starts tomorrow. mr biden was given a warm welcome at windsor castle , where he at windsor castle, where he discussed climate issues with the king, followed a meeting with rishi sunak at downing street , where despite recent street, where despite recent tensions over ukraine, both leaders paid tribute to the special relationship . special relationship. >> it's great to have you here back in downing street. i think you've been here a few times before. i know, but your first time as president. so we're very privileged and fortunate to have you here. thanks for coming. couldn't with couldn't be meeting with a closer friend a greater ally

closer friend and a greater ally and our relationship is rock solid . solid. >> the home secretary has reiterated the government's commitment to detaining illegal migrants who arrive in the uk on small boats. suella braverman was speaking following the arrival of almost 1500 people since friday. the provisional total for 2023 so far is about 4% lower than this time last yean 4% lower than this time last year, when around 13,200 crossings had been recorded . ms crossings had been recorded. ms braverman says it has to stop . braverman says it has to stop. >> the prime minister and i are absolutely clear. we've got to stop the boats. that's why we're working hard to introduce working very hard to introduce new legislation. it's coming. it's going through parliament right now in terms of in instilling a new system whereby if you arrive in the uk illegally, you'll be detained and thereafter swiftly removed . and thereafter swiftly removed. last year there were 45,000 people who arrived illegally. it's costing us £6 million a day in hotel accommodation. this has to stop and more than 100,000

holidaymakers have been affected by easyjet's summer flight cancellations. >> the airline has cancelled around 1700 flights between july and september. most being from gatwick airport fridays and weekends are expected to be most at risk of that disruption . at risk of that disruption. easyjet saying it's due to air traffic control restrictions rather than staff shortages . rather than staff shortages. with 95% of passengers booked to on alternative flights and samu is stuck in budapest because of his flight being cancelled . he his flight being cancelled. he spoke with us earlier on. >> we're given a hotel, but many of the passengers were asked to sleep two to a room, which i've not seen before. it's quite unusual to see that we've we've had further disruption this morning because some parents with their children have been given seats on different rows from their children. and we received a refreshment voucher, which is worth £2, 55 in local currency. and i've tried four shops and none of them will take

it. >> well, we're on tv online on dab+ radio and on tune in to this is gb news. back now to . michelle >> thanks for that. rare. can't believe that you just finished that bulletin talking about easyjet because i was in a nice, cool, easyjet because i was in a nice, cool , calm easyjet because i was in a nice, cool, calm mood up until that moment. and now that's just brought home to me. it's reminded me of when easyjet cancelled my flight last year and left us stranded. they sent and left us stranded. they sent a message in the middle of the night that our early hours flight was just and were flight was just gone and we were stuck with absolutely nowhere to go and nothing to do. so now he started he's got me started me off. he's got me triggered again. needed triggered again. he needed to put trigger on that. put a trigger warning on that. i'm daft as some of i'm becoming as daft as some of the our society when the people in our society when it comes to being triggered. i can tell anyway, i am can tell you anyway, i am michelle dewberry with you until 7:00 alongside the 7:00 tonight alongside me, the columnist the mail columnist for the mail on sunday, and the sunday, peter hitchens and the pr alex deane.

pr consultant alex deane. welcome of you. welcome to both of you. >> much. were you >> thank you very much. were you on when got. on holiday when you got. >> yes, was on holiday. an >> yes, i was on holiday. an awful i was on holiday with my mum my little one and we mum and my little one and we were due to fly home the next day. and i have to say, i didn't really don't really really i mean, i don't really spend life my spend my life glued to my telephone was only as we telephone and it was only as we were getting ready to the were getting ready to leave the hotel and we were all packed and ready to go. looked at my ready to go. i looked at my notification. it said it had been cancelled. >> we were somewhere >> we were stuck somewhere really nice. we were terrible. >> tell you >> yeah, well, i'll tell you now. was stuck somewhere very now. i was stuck somewhere very expensive, actually. if i may be so indulgent, it was holiday so indulgent, it was my holiday somewhere chosen to go, somewhere you'd chosen to go, wasn't >> wasn't it? >> wasn't it? >> but we had to find >> yeah, but we had to find another night, which they didn't have i was stuck. have available, so i was stuck. i know what trying to do. i know what he's trying to do. everyone is trying to make out that some kind of. don't that i am some kind of. i don't know, lovey dovey that has to have hardship another have the hardship of another night lounge when night on a sun lounge when people they got stuck somewhere. >> oh, it absolutely terrible. there tenerife, the there we were in tenerife, the sun was shining, the drinks were there. it was absolutely there. sun was shining, the drinks were the it. it was absolutely there. sun was shining, the drinks were thei wasrvas absolutely there. sun was shining, the drinks were the i was there. solutely there. sun was shining, the drinks were the i was there. solute everything >> i was there. i was everything packed a kid with

packed up with a kid with nowhere to stay because they'd sold someone else. sold our room to someone else. >> and there was, of course, all the restaurants. the beach was closed, restaurants, easyjet closed, the restaurants, easyjet did know nothing. i did not want to know nothing. i wasi was fuming. don't even get >> i was fuming. don't even get me started on honestly there me started on it. honestly there were rip the were no hotels. i'll rip the entire agenda up and just start on he has absolutely no on this. he has absolutely no sympathy for my plight whatsoever. what whatsoever. do you know what i'm going to wish karma onto you? i'm going to wish that of i'm going to wish that one of your flights cancelled. yes. your flights is cancelled. yes. leaving then you leaving you and then you can report. leaving you and then you can rep�*you what i'll do then >> you know what i'll do then i'll instead of being i'll find a pub instead of being one those sad sacks who likes one of those sad sacks who likes to take pictures of themselves looking really sad the looking really sad in the airport, their airport, sitting on their luggage. airport, sitting on their lugg.don't think i even went on >> i don't think i even went on twitter. i don't think i even ranted sure ranted about it. i'm sure someone will correct me if i am. i maybe i have i did. maybe i might have ranted. i don't know. anyway, he started off. got lots to started me off. i've got lots to get tonight. caesar get into tonight. caesar so—and—so a gb views so—and—so isn't a gb views gbnews.com how you get hold gbnews.com is how you get hold of me on the email. you can of me on the email. or you can tweet gb news. get in tweet me at gb news. get in touch your thoughts and touch with all your thoughts and if you have experienced what i the hardship, hardship is, what i describe it. then get in i would describe it. then get in touch about it too.

touch and tell me about it too. but today is big news. joe biden, of course, he's been in the again. seems to be the uk again. he seems to be quite lot these days, doesn't quite a lot these days, doesn't it? apparently all it? anyway, apparently it's all about relationship about the special relationship we've it's rock solid. he's we've got. it's rock solid. he's been meeting sunak, rishi been meeting rishi sunak, rishi sunak whatever we call him sunak or whatever we call him these the king these days. also met the king he's heading lithuania he's heading off to lithuania for a nato summit. bring ourselves darren ourselves up to speed. darren mccaffrey is on hand. darren. good evening. tell us the best bits. the highlight? well it was pretty brief. >> mean, it was only >> i mean, it was only highlights if you like. michelle, lasted for highlights if you like. mi(minutes lasted for highlights if you like. mi(minutes in lasted for highlights if you like. mi(minutes in the lasted for highlights if you like. mi(minutes in the gardented for highlights if you like. mi(minutes in the garden of for 40 minutes in the garden of downing say, the downing street. as you say, the us president talked about that special relationship being rock solid there was no solid and that there was no better ally in rishi sunak. they talked in private about everything from obviously the war in ukraine. nato but also talked about i china, about how the countries can better cooperate when it comes to trade and to green issues too. so it's pretty wide ranging. but as i say, it was pretty short and in many ways the meeting with rishi sunak was merely the curtain raiser to the main event, which

was when president biden went to windsor to meet the king. as you say, it is notable that he decided to stop off on the way to lithuania where he is now travelling to for that nato wmmw travelling to for that nato summit. the prime minister will be going tomorrow morning. i think it was clearly in an attempt, i think, by the president reach out he president to reach out after he didn't turn to the king's didn't turn up to the king's coronation and there much coronation and there was much criticism suggestions criticism of that, suggestions that anti british though, that he is anti british though, as downing have an as downing street have been an absolute pains to reiterate today, rishi sunak has met joe biden six times in the last seven months. way more , i think, seven months. way more, i think, than previous presidents and prime ministers have met, particularly in shorter a short penod particularly in shorter a short period of time. but that is not to say that the special relationship doesn't have its cracks as well. there are clearly disagreements on the use of cluster bombs that the united states going states announced it was going to provide ukraine the provide ukraine over the weekend. disagreement as to weekend. the disagreement as to about ukraine trying to join nato and also about who should take over as nato secretary—general. uk government, unsurprisingly , very

government, unsurprisingly, very keen on ben wallace. it looks like joe prefers ursula like joe biden prefers ursula von der leyen. so cracks in the relationship are overall, what they do was send they wanted to do was send a message today that the special relationship still does matter and the joe biden, from time to time to make the time is willing to make the special effort , an effort special effort, an extra effort to up to the uk, even if to turn up to the uk, even if he's on his travels elsewhere. >> darren mccaffrey thank you very much that update . i very much for that update. i always a bit weird. i always find it a bit weird. i don't have relationship in don't have any relationship in my that i need to go my life that i feel i need to go wandering around all time. wandering around all the time. yes, a special yes, i'm still in a special relationship. a very relationship. it's a very special it really special relationship. it really is a little bit peculiar. is all a little bit peculiar. pick it which you pick any strand of it which you would like to, whether it's nato, whether it's special relationships beyond . relationships or beyond. >> there's been no british leader of nato in a generation . leader of nato in a generation. and the role of secretary—general of nato is one that fell out of fashion a little bit in times when people thought the alliance had less purpose and has now come back into focus. i thought that into real focus. i thought that it was time and i thought wallace right candidate wallace was the right candidate to lead it. and it's a real shame, in my view, that it is an

american veto that stopped it, too. there's no doubt about it. you can always try and read between diplomatic lines, but it seems to me very clear it's the white no to not white house that said no to not the department. and the state department. and do you think ukraine should added as think ukraine should be added as a of i think you a member of nato? i think you should never part of the rules in nato say you can't admit a state that's undergoing conflict at the time of its application to admission . live question for to admission. live question for me , the swedish application me, the swedish application currently seems much stronger one. but the point i was going to try to make was that the reason that people go around saying things like it's a special relationship is part special relationship is in part to reassure themselves that that's case. it's that's still the case. it's plainly our most important alliance, doesn't mean alliance, but that doesn't mean the quickly. and the same recipe quickly. and when americans do something when the americans do something like wallace and like that, vetoing wallace and seeking to prefer, it seems to me candidacy of a vastly me the candidacy of a vastly incompetent ursula van der leyen. it says something about our peter well, our relationship. peter well, there is no special relationship ship. >> i spent some time hunting for it when i lived in washington, d.c. and mainly with laughter.

there is no such thing that never has been any such thing. the americans don't regard us as their special friends. they don't value us particularly highly . they don't value us particularly highly. they will don't value us particularly highly . they will treat us don't value us particularly highly. they will treat us as they wish to treat us. when they wish treat us that way. if wish to treat us that way. if they require our friendship, then it. if they then they'll ask for it. if they want trample us, then they want to trample us, then they will, as they did, most notably in northern where they in northern ireland, where they backed fein backed provisional sinn fein against long against the supposed, most long lasting nato and world war ii ally. it was if we could only divest ourselves of this ridiculous puppy dog desire to have the americans take artemis and tell us that we're a good boy, we could actually have much more of a role in the world. the french, especially under charles de gaulle , but since have de gaulle, but since then have very sensibly taken the view that they will run their own independent foreign policy . and independent foreign policy. and if annoys the americans too if that annoys the americans too bad. general, as a bad. and in general, as a result, get treated result, they get treated better by americans we do . the by the americans than we do. the nobody ever respects a toady and it is the most ridiculous thing. i don't know why so many people

go along with it and repeat it and carry on talking about special relationship. the visit this morning was farce and joe biden turned up. there's no evidence he even knew where he was. he went into this building. >> that's the more general issue. >> and so it's not a more general issue. he went into this building. saw somebody who he building. he saw somebody who he bumped into at a few previous summits, few completely summits, said a few completely unimportant words to him, and then went away again. it's all done the foreign office done because the foreign office begged so, said begged him to do so, said please, please come and please, please, please come and show special relationship show the special relationship because prime ministers, because british prime ministers, with exceptions this with few exceptions, have this absurd that the british absurd delusion that the british pubuc absurd delusion that the british public wants them to be seen with americans and think and thinks they're more important if they are, it's a matter we have to grow up a country, to grow up as a country, recognise that we're not great recognise that we're not a great power have many power anymore. we have many important useful things important and useful things about ourselves stop trying about ourselves and stop trying to suck up to the americans and be their poodle. because if we if we do, they will occasionally use us like that. but we get no thanks for it. it's a matter of any thanks available gratitude is not a diplomatic emotion .

is not a diplomatic emotion. >> it's a matter of perspective, i suppose. say infantilizing i suppose. you say infantilizing or puppy i suppose. you say infantilizing or puppy dog or sucking up . and or puppy dog or sucking up. and i think that british prime ministers of both political persuasions have sought to emphasise appropriate emphasise the appropriate importance attached to most importance attached to the most important alliance have in importance attached to the most impworld. alliance have in importance attached to the most impworld. likence have in importance attached to the most impworld. like ite have in importance attached to the most impworld. like it or have in importance attached to the most impworld. like it or not, vein importance attached to the most impworld. like it or not, why| the world. like it or not, why is it so important ? because they is it so important? because they are most important military are our most important military and ally. i and strategic ally. but i was trying defensively and trying to weigh defensively and indeed what interests me abroad i >> -- >> what interests do we share? >> what interests do we share? >> the promulgation of democracy, the defence of the rule of law . it's our most rule of law. it's our most significant trading partner by miles. we are there, so we will propagating and propagating democracy and defending of were defending the rule of we were propagating were propagating these, we were propagating these, we were propagating democracy and defending law. defending the rule of law. >> when jointly invaded iraq illegally. >> i think i don't know how many times you want to have the same argument. think that we were argument. i think that we were right. nevertheless the fact that you don't the things that you don't like the things we do together doesn't mean it's not relationship. we do together doesn't mean it's not but relationship. we do together doesn't mean it's not but can't relationship. we do together doesn't mean it's not but can't simultaneously we do together doesn't mean it's not eabout can't simultaneously we do together doesn't mean it's not eabout promulgating|neously talk about promulgating democracy you intervene in democracy when you intervene in irish politics. on the on the side of a terrorist organisation which wrestling with the united

states, keep shifting the target. >> if we talked about you're going maintain hussein going to maintain saddam hussein was a democracy. >> bear no relation to >> slogans bear no relation to reality. all well, was reality. all right. well, i was simply seeking make one point simply seeking to make one point about the things that you said, which that not which was that joe biden not knowing is, is not an knowing where he is, is not an affront british. affront to the british. >> that's general >> that's a more general situation, right. the fact that he nevertheless stopped here on the lithuania , on your the way to lithuania, on your view? it be view? indeed, it might be something asked something that the british asked them because they didn't them to do because they didn't have it was meeting have to. it was a meeting between our heads of between our two heads of government i thought it was government and i thought it was a well, they might as well. i >> well, they might as well. i mean, when american presidents are the usa on air are going around the usa on air force they stop force one, they will stop sometimes in to pick up sometimes in states to pick up and down local politicians and put down local politicians because them at because it suits them at a particular time to that's particular time to do so. that's how american politics works. we're treated as we're basically being treated as if as if we were the state of great britain land somewhere between iowa and nebraska. it's not it's not the way a serious independent power needs to be treated or should be treated. and we should get over it. >> well, i'm going to give you a home. the final word and thought

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radio. hello there. >> i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight alongside with the columnist for the mail on sunday, peter hitchens and the consultant alex deane now the pr consultant alex deane now mentioned before the break mentioned just before the break that update for you that we had an update for you about the scandal that has been engulfing many at the bbc. well, i'm joined now by gb news national reporter paul hawkins is live from outside new broadcasting house with an update. hello paul. nice shot of your forehead there. what can your forehead there. what can you tell us in your. >> yeah, apologies for that. i'm just having another read through these statements. these incredible statements that have been released , this breaking been released, this breaking news in the past hour. first of all, from a lawyer representing the person at the centre the young person at the centre of this, which seems to contradict what the to her mother reported by the sun has been alleging. so the statement says this was it says the young

person centred denial to the sun on friday evening via whatsapp, saying the statement their mother made to the newspaper was totally wrong and there was no truth to it. nonetheless the lawyer said the sun newspaper proceeded to publish their inappropriate article for the avoidance of doubt, nothing in appropriate or unlawful has taken place between our client and the bbc personality and the allegations reported in the sun newspaper are rubbish. now, following on from that, we then had a statement issued by the sun themselves . we have reported sun themselves. we have reported a story about two very concerned parents who made a complaint to the bbc about the behaviour here of a presenter and the welfare of a presenter and the welfare of their child. their complaint was not upon by the bbc. was not acted upon by the bbc. we have seen evidence that supports their concerns as it's now for the to bbc properly investigate. so what we're looking here is claim and looking at here is claim and counter—claim between the family and young person at the and the young person at the centre of this. clearly there are lots of questions here still for the bbc. they're saying that the now for the to bbc

the bbc is now for the to bbc properly the properly investigate. the complaint acted upon by complaint was not acted upon by the the always the bbc. the bbc have always said that they've been investigating this complaint since 19th. it's since may the 19th. it's difficult to know exactly what is true here and what is not. but is the reason why we but this is the reason why we have that law in place , why have that law in place, why there supreme court there was that supreme court ruling in 2022 that said that anyone that is being looked into by law enforcement agencies cannot be named to protect their identity and their reputation should the case be dropped. so clearly , it's difficult to know clearly, it's difficult to know what is true and what is not now. and that is why, as the presenter has remained unnamed at least in the media. >> and where are the police in all of this ? all of this? >> so the police have said that earlier on they met with with the metropolitan police. they held a virtual call. they were passed some more information by the bbc. it was essentially representative from the metropolitan police meeting, the bbc investigations unit, who themselves are led by a guy called jeff brown. he's the former metropolitan police

detective himself. he's been former metropolitan police detecofe himself. he's been former metropolitan police detecof the �*nself. he's been former metropolitan police detecof the bbcf. he's been former metropolitan police detecof the bbc investigations head of the bbc investigations unit for three and a half years. those sides met those two sides met some information was passed to the met there and then a very brief statement issued the this statement issued by the met this afternoon saying there is afternoon saying that there is no in place. but no investigation in place. but they are looking at the information and they will decide information and they will decide in due course whether potentially any criminal activity has taken place. but given this statement from the young person at the centre of this, it's difficult to know what is going on at the moment now. but certainly questions now for not just the police, not just the bbc, not just the family at the centre of this, but also the sun newspaper for blimey, hawkins , thank you blimey, paul hawkins, thank you very much for that update . very much for that update. >> what a mess. >> what a mess. >> yes. and one chooses ones comments with extreme in comments with extreme care in the circumstances. but can see the circumstances. but i can see why the sun wound up in the position they were in because they had a source that they believed in and thought was a source of truth, which was the mother of the person concerned. and i don't imagine they saw

coming at them the lawyer for the party concerned taking a really quite different perspective. there is that. perspective. so there is that. but the bbc would always emphasise their intention both to respect the presumption of innocence on the part of anyone who's accused of something. and secondly , their right to secondly, their right to privacy. and as far as it extends to them being named. so whilst there are names being bandied certainly bandied about, we certainly shant bandied about, we certainly shan't . it is shan't be saying them. it is worth to your worth emphasising to your viewers, especially given the tendency people to say things tendency of people to say things onune tendency of people to say things online are cost free, online as if they are cost free, that people who rip out a libel or spread one that they've heard from somewhere else can find themselves individually and personally that libel personally liable for that libel . so to give an example from the past, when lord mcalpine was wrongly accused of being involved in criminality , he and involved in criminality, he and his lawyers took action against those who had repeated that untruthful allegation . amy untruthful allegation. amy dowden and i forget where the line was, whether it was 2000 followers or 5000 followers, but it wasn't that many followers that got you over the line on

social to media mean that they would case against you would bring a case against you and many, many people in and many, many people got in trouble as result. so be trouble as a result. so be careful what you type. >> i'm being careful >> well, i'm being very careful and i'm sitting here, obviously, you when you know is you know, when you know who is involved, hard because involved, it's very hard because then you telling yourself, then you keep telling yourself, don't the name, don't say don't say the name, don't say the name, don't say the name. so then you get really quite kind of and tied of anxious and tongue tied and all the rest of it. obviously, we're not going to say any names. problems with names. one of the problems with the great british society is that of a scandal that we love a bit of a scandal when there's a scandal unfolding, we can't help ourselves. we're getting the popcorn, we're getting involved. we're into it. then we're getting into it. and then everything kind of snowballs. so whether this whole whether or not this whole i always found that kind of public interest quite interest line quite a fascinating one, because just because the public is interested in something doesn't always mean that it in something doesn't always mean thatitis in something doesn't always mean that it is in the public interest for things to be shared i >> -- >> no, i me >> no, i would like us to go back to the times when scandal were aired in court. under the rules of evidence and under the

supervision of a judge. i don't think that the presumption of innocence is served by things being discussed before , before being discussed before, before they get to court. if ever they get to court. and i think it's been a one of the many bad ways in which our society has covid american society, where there i don't think the fact that a court case is approaching really inhibits discussion of such things at all. whereas here it just it just must i think those rules have been relaxed lately and i'm sorry about it. i think the presumption of innocence is one of the absolute pillars of liberty and justice. and all of us, particularly actually people in the media, have an especially strong duty to stick by it. >> yeah. so if we broaden it out from that , the examples to from that, the examples to generalities that you can see why somebody who wants something to change, they want a relationship between their child who they've seen on these facts go off the rails and a prominent person. and of course, on their account, all they want is the exchange to stop. it's not that

they they want said they they they want they said they didn't want the investigation for the bbc and forth. so the for the bbc and so forth. so the question, suppose, would question, i suppose, would be imagine a moment there was imagine for a moment there was no there was no illegality right? there was no illegality right? there was no nothing untoward as no there was nothing untoward as far as was concerned far as the law was concerned that would attract the that would to point that would attach to the point that peter that must peter makes that scandal must be heard court otherwise . as heard in court or otherwise. as a parent, you might a desperate parent, you might think, well, where else can i turn but media? by the way, turn but the media? by the way, it seems that person wasn't it seems that this person wasn't paid story when they paid for their story when they tookit paid for their story when they took it to the sun. what else can i do but take it to the media? so there is a flip side to that notion that the court and only the courts that can talk about it. >> yeah, very odd. and >> yeah, it's all very odd. and i mean, some people are saying that parliamentary privilege i mean, some people are saying that pa be mentary privilege i mean, some people are saying that pa be mentary and ilege an should be invoked and that an mp should be invoked and that an mp should parliament should go into parliament and name person. yeah i mean, name this person. yeah i mean, look, peter's point about there being processes, people have always to find ways around always tried to find ways around such restrictions. >> members of >> that's why members of parliament read out vast wodges of spycatcher , which actually on of spycatcher, which actually on reading dull reading i found pretty dull compared to restrictions compared to the restrictions they put around it to circumvent those restrictions on what could

be said in public. but you know, i do take your point there was a time when these things were heard in court rather than heard in papers of the press. in the papers of the press. >> well, know what? i shall >> well, you know what? i shall leave you to ponder that, because it is it is a minefield. i'm telling you now, when you're sitting here desperate for something not to accidentally fall out of your mouth, it is a challenge. i can tell you that. for free. sean says. michelle, the uk hasn't had a special relationship with the us since reagan white house. reagan was in the white house. it only a few years ago when it was only a few years ago when obama was saying that would be at the queue. should at the back of the queue. should we vote for brexit? >> and course the irony there >> and of course the irony there was of queue. was the back of the queue. i think downing street asked him to that. peter was saying to say that. so peter was saying that only got presidential that we only got a presidential visit were desperate visit because we were desperate to on the hand, to have it on the other hand, i'm certain that it was i'm all but certain that it was downing that asked the downing street that asked the president because they were trying to keep in trying to keep us in the european say we'd at european union to say we'd be at the back the queue for any the back of the queue for any trade deal. that's very possible. >> but why should why >> but. but why should why should oblige to this should they oblige to this anyway, still

anyway, it all it's still a close quarters dissolves into nothing. get we get nothing nothing. we get we get nothing from about michelle's viewers >> what about michelle's viewers comment, though? because it did seem of us let's take seem to most of us let's take your view of more general pessimism of the state of the relationship. think relationship. don't you think that there was plainly something special thatcher era? >> the contrary . you go >> no, on the contrary. you go through the actual history, for instance, of the falklands conflict and the initial unwillingness to united unwillingness to the united states us. it was quite states to help us. it was quite strong. reagan's strong. then ronald reagan's seizure. some of us, a member of the commonwealth country, grenada, without bothering grenada, without even bothering to he was going to to mention to us he was going to do it. i think the they danced together at the british embassy in washington once and he he made he made isolated from time to time. but i don't think there was nothing particularly special about the way the united states treated us at at that time. it was it was much as it might have been. those two particular events, the behaviour of the white house on the falklands and on and on grenada. i don't i don't suggest a country which is

sentimentally attached to us, but those are unarguable. >> i just the broader swathe of the of the, the nature of the the of the, of the nature of the relationship at the time seemed to be a far more positive to me to be a far more positive one than your position suggests at the time. >> this is still the cold war. and at the time we were we were undoubtedly allies in the biggest conflict then troubling the world. the conflict between the world. the conflict between the soviet union and free the soviet union and the free countries of europe and north america. so we were on the same side in that which is probably why the irish question , which why the irish question, which would i think would otherwise, i think have bedevilled didn't bedevilled things, didn't come up. wasn't because of a up. but that wasn't because of a special relationship. that was because war. because of the cold war. >> you go. i shall >> well, there you go. i shall leave it with to ponder at leave it with you to ponder at home, tony says, oh, here we go. so you guys the media know so you guys in the media know who bbc person but we who this bbc person is, but we may plebs are not allowed to know you are elite and you think we are trash. no, it's not that at all. i've got to tell you, i think most people on social media this person is. media know who this person is. it's just about sitting it's not just about sitting on telly. tell you the reason telly. i can tell you the reason i'm telling you is not i'm not telling you is not because think i'm an elite and

because i think i'm an elite and that a pleb. tony far that you're a pleb. tony far from it is, quite frankly, from it. it is, quite frankly, because to get my because i don't want to get my backside side sued if i'm going to totally honest. anyway, to be totally honest. anyway, let's on. to come. let's move on. lots to come. question for you to ponder, though, do you think that all schools should have metal schools should should have metal detectors entrances? i detectors at their entrances? i ask, of course, because of the shocking situation where we've seen a school go into lockdown after a teacher was stabbed , after a teacher was stabbed, your thoughts

listening to gb news radio . listening to gb news radio. >> so . hello there. >> so. hello there. >> so. hello there. >> welcome back to dewbs& co with me michelle dewberry till 7:00 tonight, the columnist for the mail on sunday, peter hitchens, alongside as is the hitchens, alongside me as is the pr alex deane. now, pr consultant alex deane. now, can imagine sending your can you imagine sending your child to school and then finding out whether it's on news reports or whatever that school is or whatever that that school is then in lockdown ? you've got then in lockdown? you've got kids barricaded in their classrooms using things like drawers and things like that. you've got collections of kids in the sports halls and all the

rest of it. and when you hear stories like that, quite frankly, it sounds like it's something that's happened in america. time in something that's happened in am

anymore, is that they are so frequent and in the united kingdom, are relatively kingdom, they are relatively uncommon . i recall, of uncommon. so i recall, of course, the tragic and fatal stabbing of a teacher, mr lawrence, at his school in in london some 20 years ago. i cannot recall another one in between. so it is not common, let's not say to ourselves, this is happening every day. let's not say to ourselves, it's frequent. i therefore think it's probably going over the top to say metal detectors everywhere . say metal detectors everywhere. but fact discuss but the very fact we can discuss it as a reasonable it as if it's a reasonable policy is awful for our country. >> agree, peter? >> really. do you agree, peter? >> really. do you agree, peter? >> well, that's point. >> well, that's the point. i think that metal detectors would be i'm afraid not. not a particularly useful response to this, in my view, because where does the problem lie in a society where people know how to behave and are normal, society where people know how to behave and are normal , then behave and are normal, then a knife is not a particularly dangerous thing. in my childhood, children carried knives all the time. it was perfectly normal for children to carry sheath knives. boy scouts had had knives. was not. had had knives. it was not. there was nothing seen as particularly wrong about it. and

it it is the truth that a person's certain state of mind can kill you with with with a ballpoint pen and a person in another state of mind wouldn't kill you with a machine gun. the weapon is not necessarily the thing. it's the state of mind of the person involved. and i think there are a lot more people in our society now whose state of mind dangerous than it was mind is dangerous than it was before. think before. and i don't think because absence of metal because of the absence of metal detectors, because detectors, i think it's because of of drugs, of the prevalence of drugs, drugs, which which idiotic people to for the people are calling to for the decriminalisation this week. decriminalisation of this week. and i think we should look much more seriously at that. i've done quite a lot of work on on school as they school shootings as they generally in the united generally are in the united states. and i found that in very, very numbers very, very large numbers of cases, background of the cases, the background of the shooter involves drugs of one kind or another. often marijuana, sometimes anti—oedipus , sometimes anti—oedipus, sometimes steroids, but certainly mind altering drugs, which are which are a common factor in this matter in an astonishing way. and it's not just that a great

deal. and it's not just that a great deal . and my friend ross granger deal. and my friend ross granger runs this website, which i constantly urge people to read attack a smoke cannabis , which attack a smoke cannabis, which documents from from assiduous study of local newspaper reports . the very large number of cases in this country where we where serious violent crimes are committed by people who have marijuana use in their background . and i think we background. and i think we should be paying much, much more attention to that. i don't think metal detectors would be a rational response. i think it'd be very hard to enforce. it's extremely expensive. and with extremely expensive. and as with all people would all such measures, people would grow slack over them over time. it would not it would not sustain the initial couple of weeks when everybody was made to go through. and when beeped, go through. and when it beeped, you happens with metal you know what happens with metal detectors in offices or anywhere else introduced, else where they're introduced, people start being people start off by being assiduous then they stop. we assiduous and then they stop. we have profound have a much more profound problem. idea what's problem. i have no idea what's happening tewkesbury , though. happening in tewkesbury, though. i make i think people should make an effort but i have, effort to find out. but i have, as i say, looked very much at these events in in north america. find there's america. and i find it there's a

remarkable correlation between the of drug abuse and the the level of drug abuse and the level of i'm outvoted on the metal detectors. >> agree on the drug thing? >> well, time at the criminal >> well, my time at the criminal bar certainly suggested that there no such thing as there is no such thing as natural, positive drug natural, positive casual drug use. of course it may be use. but of course it may be causal looking down the wrong end of the telescope because the people seeing were people people i was seeing were people who already caught who were already caught up in the criminal system. but the criminal justice system. but i with what peter made i do agree with what peter made a it's very a point about. it's very fashionable to say that cannabis is this is effectively harmless in this country. it's viewed in country. in fact, it's viewed in some quarters much more positively but, positively than tobacco. but, you know, cannabis of the you know, the cannabis of the beatles is beatles in the 1960s is basically available now. basically not available now. cannabis have been have cannabis strains have been have been deliberately engineered to been deliberately engineered to be stronger and stronger and stronger. and in the end, people are taking mind altering amounts of cannabis , which is not water of cannabis, which is not water soluble, fat soluble . so you soluble, but fat soluble. so you have occasional joint. have the occasional joint. you'll free at the weekends. >> indeed. and as peter was saying, there have been calls for drugs personal use for drugs for personal use anyway to be decriminalised. what that common what do you think to that common sense the world mad, sense or the world going mad, a sentence that i feel like i use

often on this show when i come back from the break, do you remember the lord's prayer in fact, i'm saying, do you remember? could you recite remember? it could you recite the prayer you can? the lord's prayer if you can? you remember it starts with our father. that father. well, apparently that might .

soon to. hello there, michelle dewberry with you till 7:00. alongside me, the columnist for the mail on sunday, peter hitchens , and on sunday, peter hitchens, and the pr consultant alex deane . the pr consultant alex deane. now, do you know the lord's prayer ? you might be surprised prayer? you might be surprised to learn. the way, there's to learn. by the way, there's more one version it. more than one version of it. there's modern version as there's a new modern version as well. anyway, do you know well. but anyway, do you know any archbishop of any of them? the archbishop of york, stephen cottrell, york, reverend stephen cottrell, now says that starting the lord's prayer with our father , lord's prayer with our father, depher is problematic for abuse victims . now, i've got to say , victims. now, i've got to say, there's a there's a train of thought here, which is about the

evolution of language. i'm a little bit cynical , and i think little bit cynical, and i think that what's happening here, though, perhaps is the church realising that numbers of attendees in decline . so now attendees are in decline. so now what they're trying to is what they're trying to do is shuffle the deck chairs on the titanic . go shuffle the deck chairs on the titanic. go right. shuffle the deck chairs on the titanic . go right. well, maybe titanic. go right. well, maybe it's a load of women it's because a load of women have abused by their dads have been abused by their dads or whatever. so if we or men or whatever. so if we change this sentence, might change this sentence, it might get in. i being get the women in. am i being a bit cynical and wrong? >> well, maybe not cynical, but wrong because what the church did probably actually about 50 years ago now was it drove away huge numbers of parishioners and worshippers by modernising its services, getting rid of tradition and making everything unfamiliar and putting it all new language. so we have, for instance , the problem that there instance, the problem that there used to be one version of the lord's prayer, which everybody knew, and now there i think 3 or 4 ones which all 4 modern ones which all conflict, nobody knows, conflict, which nobody knows, they huge numbers of they got rid of huge numbers of other they of other prayers. they got rid of a lot of the traditional hymns or made people sing them to the wrong changed wrong tune. they changed absolutely everything and they

were surprised when people stopped coming. this won't make people i've or people come. i've had 1 or 2 deaungs people come. i've had 1 or 2 dealings with stephen cottrell. i do laugh a bit about this, but he there's a simple point here. if you were a christian, then you have to base your religion. on what? on what christian on what? on what the christian scriptures there is scriptures say. and there is a passage is in the gospels in which our lord jesus christ is, this is how you should pray. and he begins the prayer. our father, in heaven, father, which art in heaven, hallowed thy name. if the hallowed be thy name. if the actual founder of the religion says this, then i'm afraid the current archbishop of york doesn't really have a very heavy role in revising it. if he doesn't like the christian religion, there are others he can turn to. but that's what it says. and there isn't really any getting away it . getting away from it. >> i agree. and i'm afraid, sadly, it just demonstrates how poorly of which i'm poorly the church of which i'm a communicant member led. the communicant member is led. the archbishop of york seeking to outdo archbishop of outdo the archbishop of canterbury and asinine and facile remarks and the kind of cultural vandalism peter rightly identifies out of identifies stripping out of beautiful language and which people attach real meaning to.

if to a funeral, you if you go to a funeral, you don't want sound like an don't want it to sound like an oration a local deputy town oration from a local deputy town clerk letting you know about the municipal waste collection changing . you want it to have changing. you want it to have eternal echoes of the voice of god. i mean , this is is god. i mean, this is this is that final step depher that they won't actually manage to do because absurd. but at a because it's so absurd. but at a more changing the lord's more minor changing the lord's prayer a more minor thing. >> you think it won't pass? >> you think it won't pass? >> chance , but a more minor >> no chance, but a more minor level. they've been chipping and chipping this incredible chipping away at this incredible edifice they've they've edifice that they've they've been lucky enough to inherit throughout. it's this throughout. and it's this strange kind of mindset which believes that there is a glorious years that we're now in. everyone who came before us is ignorant and stupid and some kind of bigot. is ignorant and stupid and some kind of bigot . and all we need kind of bigot. and all we need to do is to work out where they were in the past, to work out how bigoted they were. and we have a unique enlightenment in and ourselves. the first and of ourselves. the first reason facile is that if reason that is facile is that if you take that approach in the end, you're asking the next generation to judge you and say,

what kind of bigot you were when they come to pass things. but they come to pass things. but the second thing sorry, i'm just gonna finish my thought. no, no, no. thing that it no. the second thing that it does to take institution does is to take an institution unique, built on heritage and tradition what is tradition and trash what it is best at. so just as you know, stripping out altars and stripping out altars and stripping out altars and stripping out pews and replacing them with cardigan wearing trendy vicars who said they were just like, you kids. hey, i'm so trendy. and didn't save the trendy. and it didn't save the church neither will this. in the end, the congregation that you've got is the one you should be trying hang on to they be trying to hang on to and they drive away with things like drive it away with things like this, mad. drive it away with things like thisthe mad. drive it away with things like thisthe otheri. drive it away with things like thisthe other thing is, how is it >> the other thing is, how is it that in the age of the towerblock an instant mashed potato ? we think are the potato? we think we are the people know better for than people who know better for than hundreds of art, hundreds of years of art, beauty, and literature. beauty, music and literature. it's astonishing the greatest poet of our age, w.h. auden , poet of our age, w.h. auden, said. when these changes came in in the 80s, why spit on your luck? correct. and it absolutely sums up the whole thing. >> you only have to look at the piece of you only have to look

at the churches that our forefathers built compared to the churches we build now to realise how much wiser the church was those things church was when those things were their sense of were built in their sense of beauty and architecture and language we are so language than we are now. so just don't with it in just don't mess with it in a generation or two. it will come good. >> i mean, one thing, i mean, who am i tell anybody this? who am i to tell anybody this? but it seems to me that the archbishop of york might need to be one thing that be reminded about one thing that ministers of religion are supposed to humility and supposed to show is humility and humility the face of what humility in the face of what they've inherited past they've inherited from the past is think they've inherited from the past is are think they've inherited from the past is are things think they've inherited from the past is are things which ink they've inherited from the past is are things which you can't there are things which you can't you haven't got the standing to replace or change. you're a custodian something custodian of something you've inherited and you it on inherited and you hand it on undamaged to the future. there's a limit to how much messing around you repair it. you around you can repair it. you can it standing. yes, but can keep it standing. yes, but but around with it but but tinkering around with it to the where it is no to the point where it is no longer what you inherited. you're entitled to do you're not even entitled to do that, which that to which you point is a wider cultural point is a much wider cultural phenomenon which sees people entrusted the entrusted with the responsibility curating responsibility for the curating of , seeing it as their of museums, seeing it as their role trash their collections role to trash their collections , of it away

, give bits of it away and denigrate it with descriptions on side rather than actually on the side rather than actually curating. >> see e see so curating. >> see so much of this. >> and we see so much of this. >> and we see so much of this. >> we see they're turning it , if >> we see they're turning it, if you know, thoroughly, for instance , the great plays of instance, the great plays of shakespeare, then i don't mind, particularly if you know that if somebody comes along and says, this a different version of this is a different version of this, in modern this, we'll do it in modern dress. but if you've never been taught it, you've never seen taught it, if you've never seen a hamlet or macbeth or the great history plays as they should be, then tinkering an then the tinkering around is an indulgence aren't indulgence which you aren't really entitled and at really entitled to do. and at the moment we're not teaching people these treasures at people these these treasures at all. don't know them all. they simply don't know them and they won't be able and they will they won't be able to them on to their to pass them on to their children or indeed pass much of the rest of right. it's the rest of it's right. it's a it's a symptom of something much, wider. this this much, much wider. this this inability we've inability to accept what we've what we've inherited or even see the good it and a constant the good in it and a constant desire to change in the in the short term . and i think it was short term. and i think it was it was denying one of the great churchmen of the early 20th century who said the that anybody who marries the spirit of the age will very soon find

himself widowed or divorced. yes >> does anyone those those sadly affected kind of idiocy affected by this kind of idiocy must themselves that it must remind themselves that it is . to coin a phrase, is temporary. to coin a phrase, if you are looking at the state of current church of of the current church of england, looking at priests who spent time on offence, spent all their time on offence, archaeology than with archaeology rather than with a vague acquaintance with the belief in god. as far as i can tell, you must remind yourself that too, this too shall that they too, this too shall pass and you should keep the faith. >> but never forget at the same time, large number of time, the very large number of church of england clergy who do a very hard job in parts of the country where nobody else, even goes. >> those are the people cheering on when we say the kinds of things we're saying tonight, because none of their bishops do. >> well, are you cheering this on? tim says michelle, most people don't even realise just how much christianity shapes the society our society that we live in. our church more important church is way more important than people will than many people will acknowledge. we messing acknowledge. why are we messing with our our heritage and our history and all the rest of it? della says britain has lost its

bulldog spirit , but we are bulldog spirit, but we are constantly trying to pander to everything and everyone in instead of standing firm and holding our traditions. dear, i've got to say that is a sentiment that seems to be coming through thick and fast . coming through thick and fast. but i would be fascinated, though, to know how many of you actually do know the lord's prayer. was just trying to prayer. i was just trying to think. i'm sure when i went to school, i'm sure that's how we started or i used to go started the day or i used to go somewhere. i remember sitting around and and singing around and doing and singing things things bright things like all things bright and beautiful. >> sure, you sang christian hymns your in school . hymns in your in your school. are think i was taught are they also think i was taught the national at cubs. the national anthem at cubs. i hope they still do. >> well, we start the day if you don't think they do. actually if you're not up early enough, you're not up early enough, you're missing out actually, because every because gb news starts every single with the national single morning with the national anthem some beautiful anthem with some beautiful pictures well our lovely pictures as well of our lovely country . so we do. so next time country. so we do. so next time you're either awake just you're either awake or just laying there, and laying there, tossing and turning, on. it's turning, get the telly on. it's a nice start to the day. so a very nice start to the day. so it is. anyway, look, time flies, doesn't it, when are having

doesn't it, when you are having fun. you very much. thank fun. thank you very much. thank you the you very much for the conversation. thank at home you very much for the corwell.ition. thank at home you very much for the corwell. lots thank at home you very much for the corwell. lots of|ank at home you very much for the corwell. lots of you at home you very much for the corwell. lots of you still at home as well. lots of you still talking about the special relations saying it's embarrassing that it needs to be discussed over and over again. i've got to say, i agree with you. not many of you agreeing with me about metal detectors. you reckon i've it wrong? you reckon i've got it wrong? i'll look it up. have good i'll look it up. have a good night. see you tomorrow. >> the temperature's rising . >> the temperature's rising. boxed solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news alex deakin weather on. gb news alex deakin here from the met office with your latest gb news weather forecast. >> wet one tonight for large chunks of the country. we do have met office yellow warnings in place, quite mild and quite blustery, all thanks to low pressure that's been throwing cloud and rain in from the atlantic for much of the day across the west. whilst we've seen some sunny spells in the east, the cloud now east, the cloud is now thickening rain come thickening further. rain to come across england and the across southwest england and the midlands . across southwest england and the midlands. but across southwest england and the midlands . but heaviest rain midlands. but the heaviest rain across where we have midlands. but the heaviest rain a

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