also speaking of the bbc, their annual report is out. the salaries of some of their top earners are eye—watering. some people are saying, you know what, enough of all of this. now the licence fee should be scrapped . do we need the bbc or scrapped. do we need the bbc or not.7 and the illegal migration bill returns to the commons today after what i would call an absolute mothering in the house of lords. it looks very different to how it started. will it ever pass? also suggestions today that we should perhaps open up our homes to welcome people crossing the channel into them in the same way that many of us did when it came to refugees from ukraine.

are you up for it? does that appeal to you? and over a dozen labour mps want to scrap trident, our nuclear deterrent. what do you think to this ? is it what do you think to this? is it essential in today's society or not? and when you were young, did you used to play outside? these days? for many kids , it's these days? for many kids, it's not a thing, is it? there's a campaign out today saying basically it's time to scrap a lot of cars and a lot of places so that kids can to take the streets and play common sense or a war on motorist. we've got it all to come. but before we get into it, let's get the . news into it, let's get the. news >> thank you very much, michelle and rory smith in the gb newsroom . i'm a second person newsroom. i'm a second person has come forward to make a complaint against the bbc presenter accused of paying for sexually explicit photos . the sexually explicit photos. the broadcaster says it spoke to a person in their early 20s who claims they were sent. a number

of threatening messages by the host after they were allegedly contacted by the presenter on a dating app . the person says they dating app. the person says they were put under pressure to meet the bbc star, but never did. while speaking to the bbc, the second young person who was not involved in the previous payments for photos allegation says they remained scared by the power the presenter holds as well. separately the bbc has published details of its highest paid stars as part of its annual report. gary lineker remains the corporation's top paid presenter, taking home more than £1.35 million. zoe ball is the highest paid female presenter , highest paid female presenter, earning more than £980,000 as the nato chief has announced, allies have agreed to three steps to bring ukraine closer to membership. jens stoltenberg says 11 nations will start training ukraine pilots to fly f six jets. they have also removed

the requirement for a membership action plan, making ukraine's path to becoming a nato country eafien path to becoming a nato country easier. well, in addition to this , they will create a ukraine this, they will create a ukraine nato council for consultation and decision making, with the first meeting being held tomorrow . joe biden's former tomorrow. joe biden's former chief of staff, susan platt, told gb news says the us will continue to back ukraine in its war against russia, but nato membership will not happen until the conflict is over. >> the us has done everything they can in support of the war in ukraine against it. putin's army and will continue to do that. i think there's time for everything and i think it's great that we now have really a pretty much of a brick wall by including finland and sweden. thank you to mr erdogan joining the nato alliance against russia , a romania people smuggler has been jailed for 12 years and seven months for the manslaughter of 39 vietnamese

migrants in 2019, five year old maria draghi fled the country after the bodies of migrants were discovered in a container where they were being transported from belgium to essex by ferry . essex by ferry. >> the high court judge described draghi as the organisers right hand man. this was a conspiracy which took place over a period of time . place over a period of time. >> there was a high degree of planning and organisation and sophistication, although i note that you were a late comer to that you were a late comer to that the offending involved a large number of illegal immigrants and the offender and the offending involved strangers rather than a spouse or family member . this rather than a spouse or family member. this was an organised criminal enterprise run for profit . profit. >> a man has been found to have killed a nine year old girl as she played outside the shop where her mother was working . where her mother was working. lilja valita died from a single stab wound to the chest in

boston last july. stab wound to the chest in boston last july . 23 year old boston last july. 23 year old david starkey debose was charged with her murder but deemed unfit to stand trial due to his mental health. he's expected to be given a hospital order. the only possible sentence . mortgage possible sentence. mortgage rates have hit their highest level in 15 years, surpassing figures seen in the aftermath of last year's mini—budget. the average rate on a two year fixed dealis average rate on a two year fixed deal is now 6.66, the highest level seen since the financial crisis of 2008. the bank of england raised its benchmark rate to 5% last month in an effort to bring down inflation train fares could be reduced under a plan to encourage more competition on britain's railways. new research says allowing multiple operators to run services on the same line leads to better services. newer trains and cheaper fares. rail partners, which represents private train companies, is calling for open access to allow

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forward to lord moylan's thoughts on that. if you're sitting home, you've got a sitting at home, you've got a question . don't you question. i don't know, you might be wondering how these things any questions for things work or any questions for the can get involved the panel. you can get involved in program as well. just in this program as well. just email your questions and i'm email me your questions and i'm sure guys be sure that these guys would be delighted your delighted to answer your questions well mine. questions as well as mine. that's right, isn't it? questions as well as mine. that's right, isn't it ? yes. that's right, isn't it? yes. look the enthusiasm oozing look at the enthusiasm oozing oozing right oozing out of their pores. right at big news, of course, by now you'll all be familiar with what is on at the bbc. well, is going on at the bbc. well, there's been a massive development today. let's cross alive reporter mark alive to our reporter mark white. he is outside new broadcast casting house. good evening you, mark. bring my evening to you, mark. bring my viewers up to speed, if you will. >> where to begin? well i think it's fair to say that we have had explosive new allegations that have been made and reported by by bbc news this afternoon , by by bbc news this afternoon, soon relating to a second person who is alleging that they have had interaction with this bbc

presenter or that they have been threatened by this bbc presenter with abusive and expletive laden messages , as it is claimed by messages, as it is claimed by bbc news, that this person , a bbc news, that this person, a young person in their early 20s, had met the bbc presenter over a dating app that they had come under pressure to meet up, but they never did. that interaction continued over a number of other platforms at one point, according to bbc news, this person had threatened to expose the fact that they were interacting in this manner with this well known bbc presenter . this well known bbc presenter. and at that point this person alleges that those is abusive and threatening messages were sent by this presenter. now bbc news say that they have seen in these messages for themselves

and crucially , they say that and crucially, they say that they have looked at the number, compared the telephone number, that the messages were sent from and according to bbc news , they and according to bbc news, they are the same number of the present for the bbc. presenter at the centre of these allegations , actions that have allegations, actions that have already been reported by the sun. we should add completely separate allegations that were first reported in the sun on friday. so a second set of new allegations relating to a completely different person. but but very significant questions , but very significant questions, of course, for the bbc to answer here. bbc management, of course, for the bbc to answer here. bbc management , that is. here. bbc management, that is. and of course, potentially only for the metropolitan police who are scoping out looking at whether to launch a criminal investigation into the first set of allegations . they may well of allegations. they may well look at these as second set of allegations to see whether there

is any kind of criminal offence that may have been committed on this occasion as well. >> and where's the presenter right now? are they still suspended or anything more ? suspended or anything more? they're yes , that was confirmed they're yes, that was confirmed by the bbc director general tim davie today that this presenter has been suspended. >> they are still suspended. bbc news has said with regard to the second set of allegations is that they reached out directly to this presenter qatar and to his us lawyers as well. and they have heard nothing back , we have heard nothing back, we should say as well, at a corporate level. senior bbc management that they have not responded to the latest set of allegations that are being reported by their own new division news division. it is highly complex story, a real minefield to wade through, given that there are privacy laws , that there are privacy laws, untested, of course, allegations

as well in the sense that the police haven't yet decided to launch a criminal investigation. the bbc internal investigation is actually suspended for the moment while scotland yard have a look at the initial allegations. and as i say , we allegations. and as i say, we don't even know whether they will look at the second set of allegations as and just the very kind of general question from me, something that i'm not understanding in this story. >> and perhaps it's for legal reasons, but unless i've missed it, the sex of the person now, peoples making these allegations is do we know that or do we know it? and we're not able to say why? what's the situation there ? >> well, 7 >> well, under ? >> well, under privacy laws and, you know, the prospect or potential for jigsaw identification at this stage , identification at this stage, we're just not any of the media are not going anywhere near talking about the sex of the

individuals involved. those the centre of the allegations either set of allegations were just not doing that at this stage. as i say, there is a real danger potentially of jigsaw identification that might result from that. so for the moment, as frustrating as it is, we have to wait ourselves through this very complex set of allegations as it is, according to the director general himself, when he was giving his briefing to members of the press earlier , a very of the press earlier, a very difficult set of allegations means that he is having to deal with and his team here at the bbc are having to deal with with weighing up, of course, the fact that there are very serious allegations that they have to invest negate the sensitivity that they have to show to the person at the centre of the allegations . that person at the centre of the allegations. that is person at the centre of the allegations . that is the person at the centre of the

allegations. that is the initial allegations. that is the initial allegations. we're talking about here. and also the duty of care they have to a member of staff as well , of course, as, of as well, of course, as, of course , the wider issue of their course, the wider issue of their duty to the public as a publicly funded body. it is a very, very difficult story to wade our way through . but just bear with us, through. but just bear with us, i'm sure , faux pas in the hours, i'm sure, faux pas in the hours, the days ahead, more , we'll be the days ahead, more, we'll be able to say more on this. but we are all sort of governed by these strict privacy laws at the moment. got it. >> okay, mark, thank you very much for your update . across to much for your update. across to the panel now. so i've got to say i am a little bit in two minds about what my view on this, which is quite rare for me because normally i'm very straight down the line. so when we were discussing this yesterday, i was talking about anonymity . so, you know, this is anonymity. so, you know, this is anonymity. so, you know, this is an allegation. nothing's been proven therefore the person proven and therefore the person involved to be involved deserves to be anonymous. but then when there is a small part of me that kind

of feels, well, if this person has done wrong and obviously we don't know all the circumstances , then it can be quite hard to prove guilt. but then if there's a series of people that this person may have acted inappropriately with , then that inappropriately with, then that is going to help facilitate an investigation. so then part of me sits there and thinks should the person be named as well ? the person be named as well? >> i it's very difficult area to get into and i don't want to because i'm not a lawyer and i don't want to say anything on air. no, but i want your i want you, but i don't. i think on the whole people should should have a degree of anonymity when they're charged with an offence, partly the partly because nowadays the criminal justice system is so slow you can wait years to be charged and years again to get a trial and you have that hanging over you all the time. and i think that's simply unfair. and to have your name out there as well at the same time can complete really blight your your life for a number of years now.

i wouldn't feel so strongly about it if people were charged and brought to trial more quickly. but that seems to have fallen apart . fallen apart. >> there's no suggestion at >> and there's no suggestion at the anybody's the moment that anybody's going to with anything . i to be charged with anything. i think, the reason that think, you know, the reason that we this change to we have had this change to privacy laws is because of the terror awful, terrible way that cliff richard was treated. indeed, you know, and that was awful . and cliff richard, paul awful. and cliff richard, paul gambaccini , you know, if you gambaccini, you know, if you think back as well to the slurs against lord brittan, lord bramall , you know, facilitated bramall, you know, facilitated to a large extent by the police, it has to be said, in giving details to journalists. so i think actually , although it is think actually, although it is an extremely complicated , as an extremely complicated, as mark said, it is a minefield . mark said, it is a minefield. but he walked through that minefield very well without giving anything away. >> well, if i was one of the fellow presenters or colleagues of this person, i mean, they're all coming out. it's like, um, i don't know if anyone remembers that song that that shaggy it wasn't me song. rate,

wasn't me song. at this rate, they're all going to have to do like a, a cover version of that. they're coming as it they're all coming out as it wasn't wasn't me. it wasn't me. it wasn't me. it wasn't me. it wasn't me. it wasn't you know, let's speak wasn't me. you know, let's speak about licence fee we can, about the licence fee if we can, because the salaries of because some of the salaries of some of these bbc stars were published today, some eye—watering sums there. i'll get my screen if i can. get it up on my screen if i can. let's have a look to see what we've got going so hi, is we've got going on. so hi, is paid bbc presenters gary lineker 1.3 million. ian smacker rooney's zoe ball just shy of 1,000,984. hugh edwards, he's 439,000. ken bruce is nearly 400,000. fiona bruce nearly 400,000. fiona bruce nearly 400,000. many people look at this and say, do you know what? why are we taxpayers having to fund these salaries? and more broadly , the bbc, do you support broadly, the bbc, do you support this kind of whole life licence fee funded need for a broadcaster like this ? broadcaster like this? >> yeah, i think the bbc is being very stubborn and slow in not facing up to the fact that

the licence fee is an anachronism in a digital age and that you can't basically it was a tax on television receivers as on televisions themselves. that's really what it was. you had a television, you had to pay a tax on it and that went to the bbc. nowadays there are so many different channels, so many different channels, so many different modes of getting hold of and the bbc has to go of things. and the bbc has to go around extending it. on your around extending it. so on your computer, read on if you computer, if you read on if you look on bbc look at your computer on bbc news, comes up and asks you news, it comes up and asks you to confirm you've paid the licence nobody knows licence fee. nobody knows whether can't whether you have. they can't enforce anachronism enforce it. it's an anachronism . um, and the bbc itself coming up it i thought you could go to prison not paying this. prison for not paying this. >> you can if you have television. >> but i don't know how they do it. if you're watching your computer. >> used to see. do they >> well, i used to see. do they still have big vans? still have those big vans? >> have a i a >> i have a i have a television. i want to say i have a television licence. well, that's a views very good. if i a very gb views very good. if i if the bbc and i click if i watch the bbc and i click the button saying, i've got a licence, i have got one, but it's not just it's not just

about the bbc, it's watch about the bbc, it's to watch live broadcasts as well, and it's watch everything. you're it's to watch everything. you're right. i the bbc right. and i think the bbc itself should thinking, itself should be thinking, imagine they're going itself should be thinking, imfunde they're going itself should be thinking, imfund themselves, they're going itself should be thinking, imfund themselves, howre going itself should be thinking, imfund themselves, how they're] to fund themselves, how they're going get public to going to get the public to contribute funding them in contribute to funding them in the and forward with the future and come forward with a idea. so. a more imaginative idea. so. >> it's really >> well, i think it's really important we important that we have a broadcaster that free of broadcaster that is free of commercial pressures i think commercial pressures is i think it's incredibly important that we have new service that is we have a new service that is recognised the world. recognised around the world. this of the sort of soft this is one of the sort of soft diplomacy tools in our arsenal that people trust . the bbc news, that people trust. the bbc news, you know, bbc world service is hugely important to many, many people. bbc monitoring services, bbc foreign language services are vital to people around the world. i think there are some things that the bbc does absolutely brilliantly . and i absolutely brilliantly. and i think, you know, when we went into lockdown, the stuff that they were producing for schools , for education, you know, pretty much overnight was absolutely brilliant. but there's other stuff that they do i >> --

>> is that really their job? i mean. well, their estate. well, if you if you argue that they're paid for by the taxpayer, then they should be providing those services. they should be providing those servicezyes , i think it is their >> so, yes, i think it is their job. and you know, they've got those at disposal . i those tools at their disposal. i think are things that they think there are things that they do commercial do that are purely commercial that shouldn't be part of the licence fee. but and i think it's very difficult as daniel says, i mean, you know, things moved on. lots of people watched the bbc, not when it's on the telly, on youtube or something . telly, on youtube or something. >> well, they go, let me know your thoughts about bold statement there from joe saying that people will trust the bbc and bbc news and all the rest of it and that it's impartial. and bbc news and all the rest of it and that it's impartial . i it and that it's impartial. i wonder your thoughts, particularly , particularly abroad, particularly that abroad. yeah but then i can imagine people here saying, well, why am i paying here saying, well, why am i paying for some random abroad? so have this trusted, impartial broadcaster, i don't know, open to you at home or will you? it and i'll tell you what, if someone was making allegations against me that i hadn't done,

never mind other people having to name me, i'd be straight out there telling you that i was not guilty. all the rest of it. guilty. and all the rest of it. that's perhaps maybe just me. lots get into with you guys lots to get into with you guys tonight. do think need tonight. do you think we need new deterrence tridents in this country and. oh, goodness me, the migration bill. illegal migration bill. it's at a battering in the house of lords. will this ever get over the line? and do you think the house of lords are a help or a hindrance when it comes to this

other offence when you're listening to gb news radio . listening to gb news radio. >> hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with you right through till 7:00 tonight. eight alongside me. i've got the tory peerin alongside me. i've got the tory peer in the house of lords, daniel moylan and the political commentator joe phillips daniel moylan and the political commentatorjoe phillips . paul commentatorjoe phillips. paul says he's got a sense in this country he feels like the privacy laws seem to be for the rich and the famous. many people will refer to so—called things like superinjunctions and all the rest of it . like superinjunctions and all the rest of it. he's saying like superinjunctions and all the rest of it . he's saying that

the rest of it. he's saying that if you're a man on the if you're just a man on the street, you perhaps wouldn't have those levels protection. have those levels of protection. well, have well, you probably would have them. but affording them with all lawyers perhaps all the top lawyers perhaps would different thing, would be a different thing, wouldn't people, a few wouldn't it? a few people, a few guys that you trust guys saying that you don't trust the have a completely the bbc. you have a completely different to joe phillips different view to joe phillips on topic . but different view to joe phillips on topic. but let's talk on that topic. but let's talk about one of the big topics of the day, shall we? illegal migration. now ministers are being to change the being forced to change the illegal migration bill get this, everyone, it had 28 defeats in the house of lords. i find this quite interesting. you are a sitting member of the of the lords. you did indeed vote on this bill. it's been doing a couple of backwards and forwards, hasn't it? it's back in the commons today. i would say that some of these amendments that have been pushed through the lords, through via the lords, they really do change things, i would argue, for the worse . so one of argue, for the worse. so one of the big ones , daniel, is in the big ones, daniel, is in terms of applying this bill retrospectively , so that now as retrospectively, so that now as being kicked to the kerb. so now this will only affect this bill

will only affect people from whatever the date of this bill being put into action. i think that's a huge change. do you support that ? support that? >> no, i don't support it. and i voted with the government on all 20 of the amendments over two days of voting . and i think the days of voting. and i think the bill should go through now. it's gone back to the commons today. the government has accepted, i think, five of the amendments and so the 15 that are outstanding, i may have got that slightly wrong, but roughly 15 of them are being voted on, i expect. i don't know what's been going on. they've started voting. when i left the palace of westminster around that time. but imagine government but i imagine the government will win those votes and that means tomorrow means it'll come back tomorrow to the house of lords. and around 6:00 we will start debating again . and it's up debating it again. and it's up to the house lords. they can to the house of lords. they can say, we've listened, we've say, yes, we've listened, we've made to the commons. made our point to the commons. they with we're they don't agree with us. we're going way. but i don't going to give way. but i don't expect that i think they will carry they'll put the carry on. they'll put the amendments again or very amendments down again or very similar amendments again on

similar amendments down again on these points of these outstanding points of roughly 15 outstanding points. we'll be there night late we'll be there all night late tomorrow voting, and it will then go back to the commons again and we've got time set aside early next week for it to come back to us again because the bill has to be agreed between the houses and at between the two houses and at some point the lords are going to to give way because you to have to give way because you know, we are an unelected chamber and commons is chamber and if the commons is insistent this, we should chamber and if the commons is insisway. this, we should chamber and if the commons is insisway. but1is, we should chamber and if the commons is insisway. but they 'e should chamber and if the commons is insisway. but they reallyrld chamber and if the commons is insisway. but they really don't give way. but they really don't want to. >> is there a cap to this to help understand that help people understand that might familiar with might not be familiar with all of the processes? so is there of the processes? is so is there a to how many times you can a cap to how many times you can play a cap to how many times you can play back backwards and play it back backwards and forwards? ping pong. forwards? we call it ping pong. >> do call it ping pong. >> we do call it ping pong. >> we do call it ping pong. >> so is there a cap? so, i mean, you can't carry on there is there is cap and there is is there is no cap and there is somebody with a good memory who remembers at least one remembers that on at least one bill sometime last 20 bill sometime in the last 20 years, it went backwards and forwards times. forwards seven times. >> that would an >> right. that would be an extreme case. >> timing is everything, >> but the timing is everything, isn't daniel? we're isn't it, daniel? because we're coming yeah well, coming up to recess. yeah well, there a recess. there won't be a recess. >> they'll find more days. >> they'll find more days.

>> just keep going. >> just keep going. >> they'll days and >> they'll find more days and you'll later and later. you'll sit later and later. and later. it's interesting later. but it's an interesting question because it comes question because as it comes back and more, there'll be back more and more, there'll be those say perhaps on those peers who say perhaps on the and others will the crossbenches and others will say got give. in the say, we've got to give. in the end, we've got way to end, we've got to give way to the elected house. they know that the house of lords can't prevail. ultimate against the house of commons. if the commons is determined. was also very is determined. it was also very interesting question for labour because because if this is what the house of lords does to government legislation, then that's not a good precedent for labour to set. if they think rightly or wrongly, they're going to be the government in the quite near future. so in the not too distant future. so i think there'll come a point when the house of lords will give way and let the government have its way on this. >> but it's quite right that the lords, the second chamber, has gone through as much as it can line by line and has wanted amendments. >> i mean that's what it's there for, is to refine it.

>> question it is absolutely right that the lords should go through it line by line because the commons doesn't do that anymore lords does. and anymore and the lords does. and but honestly. but do you honestly. >> so if i quizzed you on these amendments, i've read amendments, see, i've read this all by line. all line by line. >> yeah, we do. >> yeah, we do. >> yeah. really? yeah >> yeah. really? yeah >> they take it seriously. >> they take it seriously. >> i really and not on every >> i really do. and not on every i can't do bill that comes i can't do every bill that comes forward. pick bills i do. forward. i pick the bills i do. but do know them and but we really do know them and we're through them in a but we really do know them and we'of through them in a but we really do know them and we'of detailthrough them in a but we really do know them and we'of detail andrgh them in a but we really do know them and we'of detail and the them in a but we really do know them and we'of detail and the debatesa but we really do know them and we'of detail and the debates go lot of detail and the debates go on. we're not time limited on debates so we can go on till we feel we've got it thoroughly done. amendments that have done. but amendments that have genuinely and genuinely improved the bill and make better one make it work better are one thing. amendments are thing. amendments that are designed it and prevent designed to wreck it and prevent it working at is it from working at all is something should be something the lords should be very, careful about doing. very, very careful about doing. and in this and normally doesn't do, to do, normally doesn't try to wreck a bill, but in this case i think that's what some have been trying to do. >> this amendment 617 seven. i'll give you an example. this is one of the amendments put forward in the lords prevent the removal of lgbt people to certain countries. me, certain countries. well, to me, this whole lgbt thing is a

gaping opportunity for abuse because as of course, if someone wants to come and live in this country and all the rest of it, you just say, well, do you know what? i'm gay and i'm going to be persecuted in my home country? well, what are you going to do as an asylum checker? but that's about to the bedroom removal to a third country. >> and that's specifically about country. >> and �*yes�*s specifically about country. >> and �*yes�*s spthenzally about country. >> and �*yes�*s spthen no, about country. >> and �*yes�*s spthen no, it'syut rwanda. yes but then no, it's not specifically rwanda. rwanda. yes but then no, it's not oh, cifically rwanda. rwanda. yes but then no, it's not oh, where's rwanda. rwanda. yes but then no, it's not oh, where's it rwanda. rwanda. yes but then no, it's not oh, where's it about?anda. >> oh, where's it about? >> oh, where's it about? >> well, it's about people say, who came here from iran and said that didn't want to be sent that they didn't want to be sent back isn't specifically back home. it isn't specifically about rwanda. >> the bill. >> i thought it was the bill. >> i thought it was the bill. >> refers to rwanda. >> never refers to rwanda. >> never refers to rwanda. >> the bill has no reference. >> the bill has no reference. >> i mean, you know, the whole thing difficult. and we've thing is so difficult. and we've talked it so many times on talked about it so many times on this program. and you know, for months months. months and months and months. the immigration, the problem is that immigration, illegal migration, asylum seekers all get bundled up into the same thing. and because the rhetoric that's been used by people, including prime ministers and some to the right

of the well, the rhetoric that, you know, basically all asylum seekers should be just sent home. the fact that you have, you know, painting over mickey mouse cars , toons, nobody's not mouse cars, toons, nobody's not saying nobody's saying that all asylum seekers should be sent. >> there is a the bill doesn't say that. >> what the bill says is that people who've arrived illegally in this country should be taken to safe country where they can to a safe country where they can pursue their asylum claim . pursue their asylum claim. >> helpful if we >> it would be helpful if we deau >> it would be helpful if we dealt backlog. i mean, dealt with the backlog. i mean, people waiting . people are waiting. >> helpful if we >> it might be helpful if we deau >> it might be helpful if we dealt with backlog, but the dealt with the backlog, but the question not the backlog. question is not the backlog. those people are here. the question to how to break question is to how how to break the business model of these huge travel agents? travel companies, travel agents? >> legal travel >> no, no, no legal travel agency, making money out of agency, no making money out of human misery. >> and these people, these poor people actually paying money people are actually paying money to it. and they know that to do it. and if they know that landing dover not going to landing at dover is not going to keep here, but they'll be keep them here, but they'll be going else, they might going somewhere else, they might stop paying money. >> let me put some different rhetoric zahawi then, because policy exchange think tank, they've out with a new. they've come out with a new. i saw brandon lewis he's

saw that brandon lewis he's backed what they're backed it as well. what they're saying that why don't saying is that why don't you extend the ukraine extend things like the ukraine scheme people or scheme and encourage people or allow people that's they allow people if that's what they want put some of these want to do, to put some of these people, these migrants, into their you that? their homes? would you do that? >> had space, yes, i would >> if i had space, yes, i would . and i think. do you really? >> you're telling that >> so you're telling me that someone gets onto a dinghy. someone that gets onto a dinghy. wait, no, but you know. >> but you see. but but, michel, this is where gets this is where it all gets muddled. those are people who are be held are going to be held in detention or in a centre detention or held in a centre before anything happens to them. and they're not going to come in. argument about the in. my argument about the backlog people backlog is that there are people who've waiting to three who've been waiting up to three years. something like years. there are something like i think it's about 160,000 people. so would you say one of these people out? >> once you out of the hotel >> but once you out of the hotel and put into your house? no. >> and that's not what that's not what they're suggesting. what they're saying is, why wouldn't what they're saying is, why wotbecause. >> because. >> because. >> because. >> because to know >> because you need to know a bit about them. but if bit more about them. but if you're processing people more quickly, in, you quickly, the ukrainian in, you know, safe passage. the same for the hong kong people who came over here. we've done it before.

we can do it when it suits us. but if they got through the backlog, you would have more people were either. yes you people who were either. yes you can stay, you can start living your life. you can go and stay with a family, whatever, whatever and you're not whatever. and you're not a entitled to stay. so you need to go. but all the time you've got these people clogging it up . these people clogging it up. that's going to that creates worse feelings, complete irrelevance to the issue in hand. >> what do you make to it all? and i'm interested in your view as well, particularly on that question that i was asking. do you think the house of lords are a help when it comes to matters like this or a hindrance? i'm really to what really interested to see what you to it. nuclear you think to it. nuclear weapons, trident. do you think you think to it. nuclear wetneed, trident. do you think you think to it. nuclear wetneed them�*nt. do you think you think to it. nuclear wetneed them in. do you think you think to it. nuclear wetneed them in this you think you think to it. nuclear wetneed them in this country?; we need them in this country? yes no ? yes or no? >> that warm feeling inside from boxed boilers , proud sponsors of boxed boilers, proud sponsors of whether on gb news. >> hello there. >> hello there. >> i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. further heavy showers over the next few days. quite

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radio. >> hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with you right through till 7:00 tonight alongside me. i've got conservative life peer in the house of lords, daniel moylan on the political commentator joe phillips, who's this long? he says, michelle, why does everyone always answer that asylum seeker question the same way? when you say, would you put migrant your you put a migrant into your house? most people just say yes.

if we had the room, if you had the room, would you would you take someone in? >> yes. mean, i wouldn't take >> yes. i mean, i wouldn't take a single man, would you? >> would you take a migrant in. >> no. >> e“ n em- e i don't want other >> why not? i don't want other people living home. yeah people living in my home. yeah i've to say, if i was asked i've got to say, if i was asked that question, i absolutely, categorically not under categorically would not under any have any any circumstances have any random stranger staying in my house, because for me, the priority is the safety and well—being of my family. however, each to their own. and if would, you did with if you would, maybe you did with the i don't the ukraine scheme, i don't know. and you know. you get in touch and you let know. now let's talk let me know. now let's talk trident, shall we? because get this, more than a this, everybody, more than a dozen members of keir starmer's top called for britain top team have called for britain top team have called for britain to scrap trident, given the situation that we're in at the moment when it comes to peace around the world or lack of in some cases. i actually think that having tried and as a deterrent is , you know, in an deterrent is, you know, in an ideal world, you wouldn't need it. but in the world that we live in, i think we do need it. do you? >> yes, i mean, absolutely.

let's hope it remains a deterrent and is never , ever deterrent and is never, ever used.i deterrent and is never, ever used. i mean , i think it's fair used. i mean, i think it's fair to point out that this people signed this early day motion in the house of commons in 2021. quite why it's come into the daily mail today. i don't know. i can only assume because it's some sort of a bit of mischief making , but some sort of a bit of mischief making, but it's they were signing a thing called the treaty on the prohibition of nuclear weapons, which doesn't britain doesn't support nato doesn't support. so i'm not entirely sure whether that's appeared in the mail, but i agree with you. michelle. yes. do you think we need trident? >> i think we do need trident and i think you trust and i think you can't trust labour defence. think it's labour on defence. i think it's as as that. we don't know as simple as that. we don't know what. labour has been very quiet about. policies. about. their defence policies. we know what they do and we don't know what they do and we don't know whether they would keep the nuclear deterrent and renew the nuclear deterrent, which is of course what is necessary because trident itself is getting little bit old and is getting a little bit old and that would be a big expensive

item. so i think they need to be clear. i'm not holding these guys they said two years guys to what they said two years ago. they've had the chance to deny it. they could have denied it we've our thinking it and said we've our thinking has haven't said has changed. they haven't said that i know. but but that as far as i know. but but i just don't trust the labour party generally. whatever they said ago, didn't said two years ago, well, didn't trust interests of balance. >> let me say what read out what a spokesperson said that a labour spokesperson said that its support for nuclear deterrence adding it deterrence was total, adding it provides protection to our nato allies as well as the uk under keir starmer. support keir starmer. labour's support for nato, our nuclear deterrent in and our armed forces in the un and our armed forces is unshakeable. >> but he's reversed every pledge he's made and may be pledge he's made and that may be the case. >> i just think in the interests of balance, it is only fair given that we're in a an. well, we in, you coming up we are in, you know, coming up to by elections. so some to some by elections. so some balance would interesting as balance would be interesting as well you can't well that you say you can't trust on defence because trust labour on defence because many people watching this at home and say, home will push back and say, well, on second, because well, hang on a second, because it's the that for example it's the tories that for example have a of the have diminished a lot of the armed forces. >> was report out the >> there was a report out the other in terms of the

other day in terms of the standard of equipment we've standard of equipment that we've got. in the army, got. for example, in the army, the number of the personnel that we've got in the army, and that's the diminishing we've got in the army, and th.that's the diminishing we've got in the army, and th.that's happened 1e diminishing we've got in the army, and th.that's happened 1e dirtoryhing of that's happened on a tory watch, not labour one. watch, not a labour one. >> there's a real question >> yeah, there's a real question going on again we haven't going on which again we haven't heard labour engaged with about what you what sort of armed forces you need future and how much need for the future and how much of it is actually heavy weaponry and men on the ground boots. >> men, men and >> i shouldn't say men, men and women the ground. much of women on the ground. how much of it and how much of it is it is that and how much of it is a modern way of fighting? a more modern way of fighting? now all of that thinking that was going on has been reversed in by what's been going on in a way by what's been going on in a way by what's been going on in ukraine has in ukraine, because ukraine has been which been all been a war which has been all about heavy weapons. and so there's lot thinking going there's a lot of thinking going on what's what on about this and what's what the shape the armed the size and shape of the armed forces be. i think they forces should be. i think they probably have been cut back too much. think the government much. i think the government should defence, should spend more on defence, but competing but we have a lot of competing pressures as well. there are other things we should spend money on. you mentioned on everything mentioned nato. money on. you mentioned on eve no,ing mentioned nato. money on. you mentioned on eve no,ing can't entioned nato. money on. you mentioned on eve no,ing can't spendad nato. money on. you mentioned on eve no,ing can't spend the iato. money on. you mentioned on eve no,ing can't spend the money >> no, you can't spend the money on everything by the way. but defence me would be pretty defence for me would be pretty defence high up to me.

defence is pretty high up to me. priorities, ask priorities, spending, if you ask me. nato, mentioned nato. me. nato, you mentioned nato. >> you're trying >> i keep thinking you're trying to me with that thing. to turn me off with that thing. >> no, this is not this is not a random remote control. this is very high tech piece of equipment. i can't tell you what it because then have secrets. >> if i explode, we'll know why i'm energetically at i'm waving it energetically at joe nato. >> of lithuania yeah. >> of course. lithuania yeah. we're just rishi sunak. we're just seeing rishi sunak. or think we can see rishi or i think we can just see rishi sunak. he's just arrived for that talk. when you that talk. when you when you hear nato, of course, hear about nato, of course, you've conversations you've got conversations at the moment whether moment about whether or not ukraine should be admitted. zelenskyy the zelenskyy he's not happy at the moment. that should moment. he says that they should be there should be a be allowed in. there should be a better quicker and more better and quicker and more effective allow effective timetable to allow that where do you stand? >> well, i can understand where president zelenskyy coming president zelenskyy is coming from. you know, i'm sure from. and, you know, i'm sure he's impatient. wants to he's very impatient. he wants to do conversation in do it. but the conversation in started actually, it was sort of extended an invitation by george bushin extended an invitation by george bush in 2008. but nato is very clear. it expects a certain standard of behaviour of the countries that it admits to that

very exclusive club , and that is very exclusive club, and that is about the governance in its own country. and there were big questions about the levels of corruption in ukraine in now what has come up today ? they what has come up today? they actually in the last half hour is that the nato secretary—general, the outgoing secretary—general, the outgoing secretary—general jens stoltenberg, has come up with something that looks like a reasonable compromise, which which gives a sort of a one step as opposed to a two step access opfion as opposed to a two step access option for ukraine. but with no date on it. in other words, you know, we're going to keep supporting you. we are going to supporting you. we are going to support you with whatever you need, whether it's weaponry or diplomatic efforts or whatever. but you can't what's the point in nato because you're going to go to you're saying is go to what you're saying is we're to do nato saying, we're going to do nato saying, oh, we're going to all oh, yeah, we're going to do all this for ukraine. oh, yeah, we're going to do all thisbut for ukraine. oh, yeah, we're going to do all thisbut if for ukraine. oh, yeah, we're going to do all thisbut if ukraine (raine. oh, yeah, we're going to do all thisbut if ukraine is ine. oh, yeah, we're going to do all thisbut if ukraine is not >> but if ukraine is not a member and you're saying, oh, nato is going it all nato is going to give it all this support, what is the value in member then? if in being a member then? if whenever in conflicts whenever someone in conflicts outside nato is to get outside of nato is going to get to quote you all the support, because ukraine had

because if nato if ukraine had been of nato and russia been a member of nato and russia had still invaded ukraine, we would be war russia would be at war with russia because nato because the whole point of nato is every body supports each is that every body supports each member . well, you you mean member. well, you mean you mean are you on about the article 5, which the attack which is essentially the attack on is attack on all boots on on one is attack on all boots on the but then brings the ground. but then that brings in point, daniel's in moylan's point, daniel's point, actually point, which is about actually what conflict look like? what does conflict look like? because we're not at war because whilst we're not at war boots the ground with russia, boots on the ground with russia, there's we are there's no denying that we are one the forefront players one of the forefront players when it comes to financial assistance weaponry assistance to ukraine. weaponry air arms, all of those kind of things to the ukraine as it stands at the moment. >> we are. and thanks. thankfully, boris took lead in thankfully, boris took a lead in that led the world it, that and led the world on it, led europe, think the question led europe, i think the question of ukraine joining in and what's been said today , i think ukraine been said today, i think ukraine will be bitterly disappointed by what's been said today because although joe tries to sort of big it up as something, in fact, it isn't very much, they're going to carry on training them on, on, on. they're going to train them on aeroplanes. they're going have council

they're going to have a council . all council is going to meet . all a council is going to meet between they've got between they've already got a commission. they're just changing from changing the name from commission council. ithink commission to council. i think they're going very they're to going be very bitterly disappointed by what's been today. i personally been decided today. i personally believe you can't admit ukraine to nato while a war is going on, but certainly think now but i certainly think now that whatever thought whatever you would have thought before this war, if ukraine succeeds in getting the russians out, which i greatly hope they do, then ukraine needs to join nato. >> well, there you go. what's your thoughts on that? of course, you will have just said lord saying, lord moylan. they're saying, thankfully, led thankfully, boris johnson led the there'll be some the way. there'll be some people, perhaps that say, it people, perhaps that say, is it ourjob people, perhaps that say, is it our job to people, perhaps that say, is it ourjob to lead people, perhaps that say, is it our job to lead the this our job to lead the way in this conflict? opinions might be divided on that one, but when it comes ukraine, in nato, comes to ukraine, in nato, do you agree that that is the next step in the right next step or not? me ask you this as not? let me ask you this as well. you were young. oh, well. when you were young. oh, let's i did. let's get on with the. i did. you used to be able to play outside safely. well, what changed? many now changed? because many, many now cannot there's cannot do that. there's a campaign that traffic campaign saying that traffic kerbs in place kerbs need to be put in place now protect kids so that they

now to protect kids so that they can play outside .

hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with you right through till 7:00 tonight alongside me, the tory life peer in the house of lords, daniel moylan, and the political commentator joe phillips. as we were talking about trident , phillips. as we were talking about trident, ian says we must keep trident because it gives us a seat at the top table. i find this conversation about international influence absolutely fascinating. why do we need to be on so desperate on these top tables? what do we get from that ? is it a benefit or a from that? is it a benefit or a bit of a hindrance to your thoughts that ? um, bernard thoughts on that? um, bernard saying stay the world saying want to stay at the world must be in when turkey seems to have a lot of say, when it comes to does and doesn't go on to what does and doesn't go on in nato. lots of support for trident. many of you saying that we do not want to get rid of that. we need the ultimate deterrent in this country on the house of lords, kyrees says the

house of lords, kyrees says the house should be house of lords should be disbanded immediately. they cost too money day for too much money every day for doing that's what keefe doing nothing. that's what keefe says. but what would you replace them with? because you've got to have some form of second chamber. would you make chamber. so how would you make it what's wrong with it any better? what's wrong with the lords? as jim ? the house of lords? as jim? well, i've got to be honest. we've only got till 7:00, so i'll save that for i'll have to save that for a different day. jim let's talk charles safety and play, shall we? we were all young, we? when we were all young, i suspect we used to out and suspect we used to go out and about, be to roam and all about, be free to roam and all the rest it. and life is the rest of it. and life is different for youngsters these days. there's a campaign, days. now there's a campaign, a charity that wants us basically to at traffic reducing to look at traffic and reducing traffic roads . and they're traffic on roads. and they're saying will allow more saying that that will allow more people, to be and people, more kids to be out and about playing on streets and roads safely. what do you make to well,i roads safely. what do you make to well, i think it's just an >> well, i think it's just an anti traffic thing. basically, roads are there to the roads and roads are there to the part of transport infrastructure. >> is there. this is your >> nature is there. this is your background , just context to background, just for context to the it? this is the viewers, isn't it? this is your you know about this. your bag. you know about this. >> transport >> yeah. our transport infrastructure fundamentally infrastructure is fundamentally there to let people get from a

to move around. and that to b and move around. and that includes around by motor includes moving around by motor vehicle as as vehicle deliveries as well as personal cars. so on. so i personal cars. and so on. so i see this as an essentially an anti traffic move mood. what move what stops people, children going out today is not the roads, it's the parents. and when i was young, i'm very ancient. but when i was young, we used to go on the bus to school starting at about the age of seven. our parents i mean, my, my mother, the first time she let us go on the bus in her own, she was breaking her heart. as we as i got on that bus on my own, about the age of seven or something but she something like that. but she knew had to do it because knew she had to do it because that's what we and we were that's what we did. and we were out and we learned things. we learned to get into learned how not to get into danger and risk not to walk danger and risk and not to walk in front buses, walk in in front of buses, not walk in front cars. there are some front of cars. there are some places that have streets. places that have play streets. that's but on that's absolutely fine. but on the , children should be the whole, children should be outdoors. have a outdoors. they should have a chance to play outdoors. we have plenty parks. we have lots of plenty of parks. we have lots of people access to parks

people who have access to parks and in all new developments, we try include space where try to include green space where government has a policy of making sure people are no more than minutes from green than 15 minutes walk from green space space, as they say space or blue space, as they say , for lakes things like , for lakes and things like that. ponds and that's what that. and ponds and that's what we should be focusing on, not trying to up everybody's life who's trying to get around, going to work, do deliveries and things like that . on this false things like that. on this false pretext of children playing in streets . streets. >> i think i'm guessing that what you're talking about is very much london, because i'm about cities or cities. yes. okay so cities. >> this is a city story. okay so cities. >> this is a city story . well, >> this is a city story. well, it doesn't have to be about london. no, no, no. in the countryside, it might be slightly different because the roads that was point. roads that was the point. >> i a little village that >> i was a little village that in suburban areas, know , in in suburban areas, you know, in fact, daniel and i were having this we came in. this argument before we came in. i there are more not i think there are more cars, not necessarily in london, but i think families, more think more families, more households more than one households have more than one car cars are big, cars are quite heavy and they are extremely dangerous . and there are dangerous. and there are something like 12,000 children

die each year from road accidents. >> that's not true. there are 5000 killed. and seriously injured. 5000 road deaths in the whole country in a year. and that includes well, not according to the figures that are in this. >> i've got figures. it says in 2021, 11,580 children under 15 were killed or injured on roads in the uk. the annual average over the last five years is 13,503. so but, you know, the short answer is we've got an obesity crisis. >> kids don't get enough exercise. we need to encourage them and we do need to . them and we do need to. >> your solution, then? >> your solution, then? >> well, i have an obesity crisis. >> either that's another made up story. >> okay. all right. well, let's not talk about made up stories. >> we're going to be okay in a minute, right? >> yes. stop. get rid of some cars. let kids have to play. >> what do you mean, get rid of cars? what? >> well, you know, have some more roads so >> well, you know, have some morethere roads so >> well, you know, have some morethere are roads so >> well, you know, have some morethere are areas roads so >> well, you know, have some morethere are areas where so >> well, you know, have some morethere are areas where cars that there are areas where cars can't go. if you're building a new housing estate, have a parking area where people could manage that parking manage to walk from that parking area, used to area, which is what you used to have terraced streets back to

have in terraced streets back to their house. so the kids can their house. and so the kids can play their house. and so the kids can play the streets, support play in the streets, support lots do safe lots of councils, do safe streets and play street schemes , but it's only for one day a yeah , but it's only for one day a year. i think the fear of traffic certainly outside of cities , is a really big fear for parents. >> us what about ten volts? i used to spend my life playing in the ten volts. why don't they make those a thing on all housing estates? as joe says, when i was a child, places like liverpool or birkenhead had streets where traffic was banned between certain hours. we called them play streets. maybe that is what we need to do, cheryl says. i had a great free childhood running around everywhere . i running around everywhere. i feel sorry for the children today. they're constantly under aduu today. they're constantly under adult supervision, she says. it's that which holds it back. is it clingy parents? is that what's going on right. look at this. i will again, another one. colin. he's saying that it's parents. it's mollycoddling their kids . parents. it's mollycoddling their kids. it's not parents. it's mollycoddling their kids . it's not the their kids. it's not the traffic, apparently . um, yes. traffic, apparently. um, yes. when i was young playing fields mark steyn ain that playing

fields keep getting built on anyway, joe that is all i've got time for. lord moylan that's all i've got time for. thank you very much for your contribution and thank you as well home and thank you as well at home for getting involved in the conversation. do not go anywhere. you've got nigel farage. next, but i will see farage. up next, but i will see you tomorrow . have a good you tomorrow. have a good evening . evening. >> the temperature's rising . >> the temperature's rising. boxed solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there. i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. further heavy showers over the next few days. quite breezy as well. temperatures around average for the time of year. well. temperatures around average for the time of year . so average for the time of year. so we look at the bigger picture, low pressure is in charge of our weather at the moment, bringing in those showers pushes just a little further east over the next few days. introducing a northwesterly quite northwesterly flow. so quite chilly northwestern chilly around some northwestern coast to end tuesday. coast of the uk to end tuesday. showers fade for a time across parts of england and wales, but continue across northern ireland and scotland . and through the

and scotland. and through the night, some of these heavy at times, then pushing back into northern england, north wales. by northern england, north wales. by of the night. by the end of the night. temperatures for all in double figures, or celsius as figures, 14 or 15 celsius as minimum in towns and cities. a little lower in the countryside. so the best of the sunshine. first thing will be across southeast parts of the uk , southeast parts of the uk, further north and west, it's quite cloudy. there'll be some showery rain and this slowly pushes south and eastwards through the day. showers turning heavy times. the heavy at times. by the afternoon, the odd rumble of thunder possible, thunder is possible, particularly northern particularly across northern england, and england, northern ireland and scotland too. we could see some local disruption and temperatures on the cool side, 17 to 19 across the north of the uk, 20 to 23, perhaps 24 across the far south—east of england into thursday, a bright start to the morning. there will be some sunny spells around, too, but the scattered showers for many, perhaps less frequent and less heavy compared to recent days. still highs around 23 or 24. the