gb news. >> good evening . it's the big >> good evening. it's the big annual nato summit taking place in vilnius in lithuania . and in vilnius in lithuania. and there are many disagreements between the member states, in particular around the question of should ukraine join nato? and if so , when? we'll also bring if so, when? we'll also bring you up to speed with the bbc latest where more accusations have been made. surely it's only a matter of time before we find out who the presenter is. and i will tell you why the money laundering regulations that came to us from the european union and other international bodies are perhaps some of the worst pieces of law ever passed. i'll explain to you why bank accounts are being closed . all of that are being closed. all of that after the news with rory smith .

after the news with rory smith. thank you very much, nigel. >> bbc presenter jeremy vine is >> bbc presenterjeremy vine is putting pressure on his unnamed colleague at the centre of two sets of allegations, jones suggesting that it may be time for him to go public. it comes as a second person has come forward to make a complaint against the bbc presenter accused of paying for sexually explicit photos . the broadcaster explicit photos. the broadcaster says it has spoken to a person in their early 20s who claims they were sent a number of threatening messages by the host after they were allegedly contacted by the presenter on a dating app . the person says they dating app. the person says they were put under pressure to meet the bbc star, but never did speaking to the bbc, the second young person who's not involved in the previous payments for photos allegation says they remained scared by the power. the presenter holds , while the presenter holds, while separately the bbc has published details of its highest paid

stars as part of its annual report. gary lineker remains the corporation's top paid presenter, taking home more than £1.35 million. zoe ball is the highest paid female presenter, earning more than £980,000 as the nato chief has announced, allies have agreed to three steps to bring ukraine closer to membership. jens stoltenberg says 11 nations will start train in ukrainian pilots to fly f—16 jets . they have also removed the jets. they have also removed the requirement for a membership action plan , making ukraine's action plan, making ukraine's path to becoming a nato country easier will in addition to this, they will create a ukraine nato council for consultation and decision making with the first meeting to be held tomorrow. joe biden's former chief of staff, susan platt , told gb news the susan platt, told gb news the nato membership will not happen until the conflict is over . until the conflict is over. >> us has done everything they

can in support of the war in ukraine against putin's army and will continue to do that. i think there's time for everything and i think it's great that we now have really a pretty much of a brick wall by including finland and sweden . including finland and sweden. and thank you to mr erdogan for joining the nato alliance against russia , a romanian against russia, a romanian people smuggler has been jailed for 12 years and seven months for 12 years and seven months for the manslaughter of 39 vietnamese migrants in 2019. >> 50 year old marius draghici fled the country after the bodies of migrants were discovered in a container where they were being transported from belgium to essex by ferry. the high court judge described draghi as the organisers right hand man. more mortgage rates have hit their highest level in 15 years, surpassing figures seen in the aftermath of last year's mini—budget. the average rate on a two year fixed deal is now 6.66, the highest level

since 2008. the bank of england raised its benchmark rate to 5% last month in an effort to bring down . inflation online. dab+ down. inflation online. dab+ radio and on tune in. this is gb news. for now, though, back to . nigel >> well, it's the big annual nato get together. it's taking place in vilnius, in lithuania , place in vilnius, in lithuania, but things are far from well within the organisation. there are some big quite fundamental disagreements to begin with. america's decision to say that they would send cluster bombs to ukraine has sparked a great deal of surprise as 123 countries around the world are signed up not only to not using them or to not only to not using them or to not making them, but to discouraging their use. and the united kingdom is one of those

signatories that's a problem. another problem is on succession in jens stoltenberg has finished his term. he's now going to stay for on a further year. and the american president, president biden, does not want the uk's ben wallace to become the next nato boss. no, he favours ursula von der leyen , the president of von der leyen, the president of the european commission . and the european commission. and somebody thought pretty universally to be the worst defence minister that germany ever had. and i fear what's really going on here and particularly given president macron himself also saying that the next nato boss should come from the european union, i fear that nato and the european defence union become one of the same thing. and america slowly begin to retreat . but the begin to retreat. but the biggest, most fundamental row thatis biggest, most fundamental row that is going on right now is on expansion. should ukraine join nato ? now, those that watch this nato? now, those that watch this program have listened to me over

the years will know that i for 30 years have been questioning and sceptical about the ever eastward expansion of both nato and the european union . i even and the european union. i even stood up in the european parliament in 2014 and said there will be a war in ukraine and we are provoking it. i always thought that encroaching point on russia towards the east would be used by putin as a weapon, as a casus belli and indeedit weapon, as a casus belli and indeed it has. weapon, as a casus belli and indeed it has . or so should indeed it has. or so should ukraine join nato? give me your thoughts on that, please. farage at gbnews.com. now one man who is there in vilnius tonight and has been at the summit is alexei goncharenko, a ukrainian member of parliament and somebody who appears regularly, i'm pleased to say, on gb news. welcome to the program. you're president vladimir zelenskyy, who has earned great admiration for his war leadership. he genuinely has. but he says today in vilnius that it is absurd that

no timeframe has been set for ukraine to join nato . no timeframe has been set for ukraine to join nato. i ask you, who is he to tell us he is a war time leader . time leader. >> he is the leader of the nafion >> he is the leader of the nation who is really fighting for democracy, not speaking about democracy, not speaking about democracy, not speaking about freedom, but fighting for it. and if ukrainians are good enough to die for freedom and democracy , why we are not good democracy, why we are not good enough to live together in the alliance of free and democratic countries . countries. >> well, i get the argument and you make a very strong and a very emotive point. but here's the problem . putin is in trouble the problem. putin is in trouble of that. there is little doubt . of that. there is little doubt. and don't you think that a big signal, if that big signal had been sent out today from vilnius , which indeed it has not, it seems that the american reticence has won the day , reticence has won the day, wouldn't that signal you know, when you've got a cornered rat , when you've got a cornered rat, if you keep provoking it, aren't

we likely to get an even worse reaction ? should not. i yeah, go reaction? should not. i yeah, go on. >> i completely i completely disagree with you because i just want to remind you that russia started the war against ukraine when ukraine was not a member of nato, was not applying to become a member of nato. nato, was not applying to become a member of nato . and even if a member of nato. and even if you will, take polls of 2013, ukraine was in majority, were against joining nato. and at this exactly moment, putin started the war against ukraine. so it's not about nato. it's about the just a simple, simple fact that putin wants to take ukraine as well as he wants to take lithuania, latvia, estonia, georgia , moldova to rebuild and georgia, moldova to rebuild and even to make a new berlin wall and to divide germany into parts and to divide germany into parts and to divide germany into parts and to control eastern germany. that's what that's what putin wants. >> i am not i am not defending mr putin's actions in any way at all. i am just saying i'm happy about this. i am just saying that the ever eastward expansion

has given him a causus belli and the european union's designs on on on ukraine have been long stated. in short , are you happy stated. in short, are you happy or unhappy with the outcome today ? today? >> but nigel, sorry again , >> but nigel, sorry again, lithuania, latvia , estonia lithuania, latvia, estonia joined nato and putin never attacked them. ukraine did not join nato and didn't want to and put an attack . so it's not about put an attack. so it's not about expansion . expansion. >> it's about i remember i remember very well in 2014, in a democratic elected leader of ukraine being brought down in the orange revolution by people standing in the square in kyiv as we then called it, waving european union flags. all i'm saying is the ever eastward expansion has been provocative . expansion has been provocative. i mean , when it's sorry, it's to i mean, when it's sorry, it's to say to say that when a lady is wearing a short skirt, she is

provoking a raper. >> but it's not. that's her right to wear any any skirt. he she wants to. and the raper is always the raper . always the raper. >> i'm sorry. >> i'm sorry. >> is always the killer. >> is always the killer. >> i'm talking about the historical paranoia that russia has of ever eastward expansion. >> but this is paranoia . if this >> but this is paranoia. if this is a what do i know ? if they is a what do i know? if they have a macho attitude? so i mean, so what? why we should play mean, so what? why we should play games with this? you know, i agree with russia doesn't like london. russia is saying on propaganda. i agree. i agree with you that we will attack rhiannon and to destroy it, to . rhiannon and to destroy it, to. okay, so what to do with this? >> so when should ukraine join nato ? nato? >> uh, my answer is yes today. but answer of nato leaders is somewhere in the future. today we're said that ukraine will join nato and the invitation will come , but nobody knows when i >> -- >> no, absolutely. zelenskyy.

thank you for giving us your very, very strong opinions, as ever. very, very strong opinions, as ever . well, i'm joined in the ever. well, i'm joined in the studio by robert fox, defence editor of the evening standard . editor of the evening standard. i fully understand the arguments that are being made and i don't want to go back in time over eastward expansion, but i've always been a little bit sceptical about it . at the heart sceptical about it. at the heart of this and this mealy mouthed statement that's come out from the nato summit , which i statement that's come out from the nato summit, which i mean it's pretty meaningless stuff, isn't it? i'm pretty fearful, nigel. >> i'm trying to find facts amongst all the swirling opinions and emotions and you're quite right. and particularly when dealing with russia, you're quite there's image we quite right. there's an image we are reading russian russia still, by the way, far too much in western terms. russia this enormous country, enormous culture, sees things in a different way. and that's one thing that they haven't done. what i fear to answer your question. yeah, here we go again. this is 2008 and that dreadful bucharest summit where

miliband and others said, oh yeah , to georgia, moldova and yeah, to georgia, moldova and ukraine. you can join nato without declaring the terms, the conditions , owns the conditions, owns the conditionality . what, where, conditionality. what, where, when and also the outreach to russia, because cause they're supposed to be if you're a foreign minister, you're the top diplomat of your country. you're supposed to well know how the other side is likely to react. they had a war in georgia within two months from that. and i think this . why is it maybe yes, think this. why is it maybe yes, maybe why is it always the brits? >> the brits are always the one pushing for ever eastward expansion. we were as a european union members, we are today as as nato members. >> yes . and i think, by the way, >> yes. and i think, by the way, that i >> yes. and i think, by the way, thati do >> yes. and i think, by the way, that i do know people in the british at the time, quite british army at the time, quite near the top, who were very fearful baltics came in fearful when the baltics came in the three baltic countries, one and i shall not quote him by name, but a very distinguished officer said this could be a dreadful false prospectus . i dreadful false prospectus. i think we are seeing a bit of a

pantomime game with nato that it's too much mouth and i fear there are not enough military trousers really thinking this one out. and if you want proof of it is the way that the summer offensive they were nudged into it prodded into it pushed into it prodded into it pushed into it by the americans and by the military steering group led by america, britain , france, america, britain, france, germany. get on with it. get on with it. you can do with it. oh, by the way, you're not doing so well now. oh why did why did we not know it? they were working to nato doctrine. nato doctrine for is based on an idea for this is based on an idea called air land 2000. yes. simple nigel, it's updated. blitzkrieg. air. land. blitzkrieg. sorry air. land. what comes first? air no air power. no air. no f—16s. no gunship helicopters . no gunship helicopters. no long—range rocket. this is what is looking so very odd . and i. is looking so very odd. and i. i find this a bit creepy. >> all of this by ian's decision, i mean ben wallace clearly is a former career professional soldier , a man who

professional soldier, a man who cares deeply about this this area, this subject. ursula von der leyen. as i said in my introduction, was seen to be a catastrophic defence minister here in germany. and biden. it's almost as if i fear the americans are saying, i think you've missed out a link. >> go on. schultz okay . schultz >> go on. schultz okay. schultz wants to get rid of her from the eu. so it is said , but sorry, eu. so it is said, but sorry, i'm looking with my eyes rolling in the mid distance. why did the americans buy this ? do you americans buy this? do you really want that? actually, there is a dark horse on the honzon there is a dark horse on the horizon and he is a fixer and i'm afraid he would be an eu man. but a sceptical eu man in some ways. and because mark rutter is now is now available. interesting point. yeah. no interesting point. >> and very capable >> and a very capable politician, way, he would politician, by the way, he would not the american line, though. >> and he wouldn't necessarily. he says he he was asked earlier this year whether he would like to go to nato. he said, no, i

can't stand brussels. i mean, the city. oh, well, living and working well here i might get on quite well then. >> possibly. think you might. >> possibly. i think you might. >> possibly. i think you might. >> trump was american >> when trump was american president, at the president, he turned up at the brand headquarters in brand new nato headquarters in brussels, expense brussels, built at vast expense , bureaucracy. , a huge bureaucracy. >> said, look, unless >> he said, look, guys, unless you obeying with the rules you start obeying with the rules of the club and paying 2% of your gdp, don't count on long term american it term american support, it achieves some limited success. joe biden comes over. he's going to he's going to introduce cluster bombs to ukraine against the wishes of many of the other members of the club. briefly about that, i mean i mean, is biden expediency , you know. biden expediency, you know. >> well, that's why he did it. well assume to do with well i assume it's to do with the arms trade. no, the american arms trade. no, it's because they didn't want to. they're running out of new manufactured ammunition . they manufactured ammunition. they cannot the supply chain cannot keep up the supply chain . oh, we've this old stuff . oh, we've got this old stuff in the dumps, you know, and their artillery shells in in the main, it was absolute short termism, not a care about what the allies would think about. >> but isn't that the problem

that actually biden is far more detached from europe than trump certainly was ? certainly was? >> oh, there's a wicked thought, isn't it? europe, isn't it? oh, europe, you're quite right. i was thinking coming down to talk to you about this, you know, the backseat driving that we've had from america through peace america right through the peace with administration, with this administration, including mark milley. you know. yeah sitting in the pentagon saying, oh, they're not doing well and the americans , well enough. and the americans, the brits aggressively the brits rather aggressively have led with long—range weapons , storm shadow, getting the tanksin , storm shadow, getting the tanks in there. we knew we couldn't supply enough, but at least get going, least this would get them going, supplying we were supplying the tanks. and we were very clear about needing to train pilots for fast jets for the close battle. and this should have been done and they should have been done and they should have been there by may. now they won't be there. they're not going to be until this offensive is over. >> robert, thank you, nato in something think we something of a mess. i think we can conclude in a moment. let's talk about the latest drama at the how long can it be the bbc. how long can it be before we the name of the before we know the name of the presenter ? presenter? >> that warm feeling inside ed

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>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> i asked you, should ukraine

join nato? some of your thoughts. one viewer says ukraine should maintain neutrality and it should be used as a bargaining chip in peace negotiations with the russian federation. another says should ukraine join nato if it will annoy the putin gangster regime 7 annoy the putin gangster regime ? um, then yes. goodness me. i find that incredibly dangerous talk. he is a cornered rat. he may be now the most dangerous he's ever been. and david agrees with me by saying, do we really want to end up with a nuclear war with russia? why does the west feel it has to keep pushing eastwards all the time? david, i've been asking that question for years now . now, for the last 30 years now. now, who to believe? who not to believe? well newspaper, believe? well the sun newspaper, right? the bbc, right. right? well, the bbc, right. were the bbc slow in investigating the complaint against one of their prominent presenter says if you remember the story was that the presenter was at the middle of a row over up to £35,000 that were paid to a young individual for sexually explicit photographs. well, the

director general, tim davie, today made the argument the bbc receives a huge number of complaints of all kinds , and the complaints of all kinds, and the process takes time . but an hour process takes time. but an hour and a half ago or so, we get it that another person has made accusations. an individual in their early 20s was contacted anonymously by the male presenter on a dating app. the young person says they were put under pressure to meet up but never ever did . and then the never ever did. and then the young person says they finished up with abusive and expletive filled messages. so it's all beginning to get a little bit ugly. and we live in this strange sort of world where we have a broadcast media national newspapers, but the hinterland of social media, where you can read rumours , repeated rumours read rumours, repeated rumours about who the presenter actually is , i would have thought with is, i would have thought with more allegations coming forward, we may well be reaching or

getting close to the end of this particular road . john mayer is a particular road. john mayer is a former bbc producer and editor of two books on the bbc. john, i know you're in transit. thank you for joining know you're in transit. thank you forjoining us. um we must be coming towards the end game here now. surely >> yes, we are. nigel greetings from a car park in in yarnton in oxfordshire. first off, maybe we are . this story has got a long, are. this story has got a long, long way to run. i mean, i love the bbc. i used to work for them, but they're making a total haul them, but they're making a total haul. ipsis only. i mean. tim. tim davies today was was speaking corporate speak and they keep kicking the can down they keep kicking the can down the road. why why let the met police investigate ? you know, police investigate? you know, bofis police investigate? you know, boris did that and look what happened. 126 fines and sue gray still came out with what she did. now the bbc needs to get its act together and get act together rather quickly and be decisive, not not kick the can down the road. well, but yeah, i mean, questions to answer , you mean, questions to answer, you know, where are the bank statements? where are the statements? where are the statements from family ? i'm

statements from the family? i'm sure remember nigel, 15 sure you remember nigel, 15 years ago there was a young girl called shannon matthews who disappeared and was disappeared and she was kidnapped. it was kidnapped. and then it was discovered actually her discovered that actually her mother her in in the mother had put her in in the attic of a relative and she was going to claim the £50,000 weward from the sun. is history repeating itself here? you know, it's a muddy , muddy, muddy it's a muddy, muddy, muddy issue. and in terms of names presented that will have to come out, who he or she will have to self name very, very soon. but the bbc needs to really, really get its act together. tim was not hugely impressive today. >> john mayer , thank you very >> john mayer, thank you very much indeed for that very strong opinion. well, john, who loves the bbc, not particularly impressed at now. there was a violent incident that took place in surbiton of all places, on sunday evening this week. there's been a migrant hotel in surbiton now for three years. and tonight , local residents are and tonight, local residents are protesting about its presence. ray addison gb news, reporter, is there in surbiton right now,

just just tell . just just tell. >> good evening, nigel. yes tensions running quite high here at the crowne plaza hotel in thames ditton. it's been used to house around 120 migrants for the last three years. i'm just going to step out of the way and let you have a look at the protest that's that's taking place. we've got about 150 protesters, at least we did earlier on. they're kind of spread out around this road here, around the hotel and a smaller counter group of protesters as well. protesters is protesting against the use of this facility to house migrants are holding signs saying illegal immigrants get out of our borough . that's getting quite borough. that's getting quite a lot of support from passing motorists tooting their horns and so on. the smaller protest saying refugees are welcome here and they've actually shouting and they've actually shouting and chanting at the protesters, calling them fascists . there's calling them fascists. there's around a dozen members of the police force here as well, 4 or

5 police vehicles, including a police van. now, as you were saying, this was all following a violent incident which took place this weekend. and that led to a man being charged with attempted murder. obviously, thatis attempted murder. obviously, that is an active case. so we won't go into too many details. but this protest has been organised within the last 24 hours by richard hunt . and hours by richard hunt. and richard, if you could just come and join me now. why did you decide to organise this protest? well, the protest wasn't just organised by me, it was organised by me, it was organised by me, it was organised by a lot of local residents and a lot of business people in the area and basically they're just sick to death with this government paying 617 million pounds a day to keep refugees when people are struggling . struggling. >> i mean, you know, they can't even give a nurse a pay rise. it's just ridiculous. people can't pay their electric. they're having trouble putting fuelin they're having trouble putting fuel in their car. you've got con with this ulez thing , it's con with this ulez thing, it's going on and people just haven't got any more money. they're

running out of money and when you see all these locals and you know, struggling and here they are in £150 a night hotel, it's rubbing salt in the wound. it's just terrible. >> well, the facility's been used for three years. why is it a problem now? why are you deciding to sort of protest now? >> well, basically , there was an >> well, basically, there was an incident here on sunday, someone which we won't go into too many details of. >> we've explained that incident. so that's what's incident. so is that's what's predicted particularly sparked it safety. it fears for people's safety. i think so. >> i think a lot of local people now, i've just spoke to one local resident and he won't let his daughter walk past the hotel now. so people are just petrified now. what's gone on? i mean, know, just in seconds mean, you know, just in seconds , what are hoping to achieve , what are you hoping to achieve with protest? well, with today's protest? well, it's i think all the locals want these people out of their borough and they literally borough and they don't literally want the uk . want them in the uk. >> okay. richard, thank you very much for joining really much forjoining us. really appreciate you can see, appreciate it. as you can see, as i was saying, tensions have been running high. there are protesters against this. the use

of facility to house of this facility to house migrants, but also the counter protest, like i said, going on. we will keep you up to date with the latest happenings here right from surbiton. >> you very much indeed . >> thank you very much indeed. well, running very, well, tensions are running very, very in a moment, i will very high. in a moment, i will talk to about money talk to you about money laundering that's why many talk to you about money la|your'ing that's why many talk to you about money la|your bank that's why many talk to you about money la|your bank accountss why many talk to you about money la|your bank accounts are 1y many talk to you about money la|your bank accounts are being1y of your bank accounts are being closed down. i'll explain why they to miss they are a sledgehammer to miss they are a sledgehammer to miss the nut . the nut. >> the 12th, a day to celebrate history , community and family. history, community and family. here in northern ireland. join me arlene foster over on me dougie beattie as we bring you live coverage of the july 12th celebrations from the beautiful city of belfast. i'm right across the united kingdom. it's all happening here on gb news britain's news .

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back this up. it costs £100. it costs £100 to find £1 of laundered money. and guess where the cost of that £100 goes? well, it goes to you. and if the banks want to cut costs and cut compliance, they simply get rid of your account . and does it of your account. and does it make it safer ? well, a gentleman make it safer? well, a gentleman here with a long, long, many years experience in the business said to me, i recently helped my daughter with a purchase of a first and was forced to first house and was forced to provide conveyancing provide the conveyancing lawyers with detailed financial information on the source of my funds underlying the gift to her. this firm only carries a minimum level of cover , hardly minimum level of cover, hardly sufficient to give me confidence that they won't actually at some point be hacked. so the point this veteran of the industry is making is actually these money laundering regulation options are actually more likely to lead to more fraud and extraordinary cases.i to more fraud and extraordinary cases. i met a chap wrote to me overnight, i checked him out, very successful businessman, made a lot of money in a city in

the united kingdom. he pops into his local hsbc branch . the his local hsbc branch. the counter girl knew him and he asked to make a £25,000 cash withdrawal from his account. over £1 million had been through that account in the previous yean that account in the previous year, but no outcomes. and acting manager and says, why do you want the money? what he says it's for private means she pushes him . i want to buy pushes him. i want to buy christmas presents. i want to buy things and she refuses him his money. he said he was apoplectic with rage. after all, it was his money, but he wasn't swearing or being aggressive. a couple of weeks later, he found he cannot access his account . he cannot access his account. having been with hsbc for 25 years, his accounts have been closed. another one, a guy who was involved in medical cannabis research seeking solutions for young children with epilepsy . he young children with epilepsy. he closed down by natwest and then refused by six other banks. this is the madness that is going on.

what i'm joined by someone who knows a bit about this, angela knight, former economic secretary to the treasury . secretary to the treasury. angela, you get my personal anger at what i've been going through with the banks. but so many stories here from businesses all around the country . and it seems that the country. and it seems that the london based banking industry has taken these regulations and taken compliance to a totally ludicrous level . ludicrous level. >> well, let's pick up those points. do i agree with you that some of it is ludicrous ? yes, some of it is ludicrous? yes, absolutely agree with you. i've also been in positions where i've had to show proof of funds. and you think, well, what's know? why am i doing this? why am i having also to give reasons as to why i want to bring out big pull out big sums of cash so i totally agree with you about the irritation of it. and if it's any sort of additional to a personal personal issues that i've had, i lost my french bank

account a few years ago because apparently i was flagged as a p9p apparently i was flagged as a pep because i am a pep. i was a member of parliament. however, let's fast forward and say , you let's fast forward and say, you know, do you want to blame the banks? everybody always wants to blame the banks, but i honestly don't think that's quite right. and the reason i say that is because they are abiding not just by what is the law, but the regulations and guidance that sit under it. and they've also been fined lots of money when something's gone wrong and you know, anti—money laundering procedures have not been fully appued procedures have not been fully applied and something's got through the system . but angela through the system. but angela so to say that all the banks fault is not fair to say it's irritating . it's absolutely irritating. it's absolutely correct. but angela, we aren't right? no, we haven't . but, you right? no, we haven't. but, you know, innocent people blaming the banks for everything. >> well , the point i'm making is >> well, the point i'm making is that innocent people are paying the price for this. >> and very , very few criminals

>> and very, very few criminals are getting caught . are getting caught. >> they will be, isn't it? isn't it the case with all these things, nigel, that we end up having to do because of a few? i mean , look how we all strip off mean, look how we all strip off to go through the various x ray devices and what have you at the airports , apart from the airports, apart from the irritation of that and the fact you find that your shampoo or your make up or whatever gets taken away, there is the cost and it adds on to something. probably the landing fees that planes pay. and so what we pay for our seat, unfortunately , for our seat, unfortunately, what happens when rules get disproportionate and i agree with you that some of these are disproportionate when they are appued disproportionate when they are applied to the ordinary people. is that the ordinary people are the ones who pay the price and the ones who pay the price and the ones who know how to get away with it carry on getting away with it carry on getting away with it carry on getting away with it. and in here, what there needs to be is some set of proposals. nye bevan and i do

know that some countries what know that in some countries what they do is they get their they do do is they get their list of their politically exposed people , which tend to be exposed people, which tend to be their local politicians and the like. national and local and people who have been politicians like me. and they say, okay, there's one level of checks there, but it's nothing like as high as those who are coming in from overseas. to my from overseas. that's to my mind, makes sense. >> yeah. and this is why that there's a judgement calls can be made, can't say to a made, but you can't say to a bank, make judgement call and made, but you can't say to a bank, itiake judgement call and made, but you can't say to a bank, it easy judgement call and made, but you can't say to a bank, it easy fordgement call and made, but you can't say to a bank, it easy for me.1ent call and make it easy for me. >> and then they get hammered because it's not because you know, it's not absolutely the rules . we need absolutely by the rules. we need to get a balance in place. >> we are we're living in brexit, britain, it's time the government looked a of government looked at a lot of those clarified government looked at a lot of those absolute clarified government looked at a lot of those absolute in clarified government looked at a lot of those absolute in the|rified government looked at a lot of those absolute in the wayd government looked at a lot of those absolute in the way you them. absolute in the way you suggest. angela, as ever, thank you for joining suggest. angela, as ever, thank you forjoining me here on gb news. now what the farage moment. it's really difficult to get head around some of get your head around some of this. really, really this. i mean, it really, really is the diocese saint is in the diocese of saint edmundsbury and ipswich. yeah. and the bishop there is the right reverend martin seeley . right reverend martin seeley. those are now those church schools are now

teaching children . if they're teaching children. if they're white, they have the benefit from a systematic oppression of people of colour through racist policies and practise. they're teaching kids about the white supremacy pyramid. i've no idea what that is. what i do know is if you're going around telling eight year old kids that they're bad people because they're white and you're telling eight year old black kids that they are victims , if anyone thinks that victims, if anyone thinks that thatis victims, if anyone thinks that that is a recipe for harmony in the future, in our country, they frankly need their bumps. felt this whole thing is complete and utter madness. and i'm afraid the church of england and my goodness me, doesn't the fish rot from the head down in under archbishop welby ? he's making archbishop welby? he's making error after error . is it archbishop welby? he's making error after error. is it any wonder, is it any wonder that fewer and fewer people attend church of england services ? now, church of england services? now, as we know, biden was at buckingham palace yesterday . buckingham palace yesterday. hey, let's compare press coverage of biden at buckingham palace with with trump. have a

look at these pictures . a few look at these pictures. a few years ago, don trump was there at the state visit . he was at the state visit. he was widely criticised for walking in front of the queen. have a look . he walked briefly in front of the queen he realised he was wrong. he checked. the queen is now to his side and the queen. in fact, margins ahead. trump pilloried for momentarily being in front of the queen. but have a look at joe biden. no such complaints about joe biden. joe biden , 2 or 3 paces ahead of the biden, 2 or 3 paces ahead of the king. right throughout that procession where they're supposed to be inspecting the guard . and yet, did you read guard. and yet, did you read about that in your newspapers today? no you didn't. it is extraordinary that biden seems to get a free pass time after time. i know he's old. i know he's not very capable. but goodness gracious me, it just shows you how twisted in many ways our media can be. now we

talked about the protests going on in surbiton. we'll also talk about the illegal migration bill back in the house of commons today. that has been significantly watered down. are the government on a loser .

we' re we're going to go back to ray addison, the gb news reporter. he's down outside that migrant hotel in surbiton . ray, we were hotel in surbiton. ray, we were with you a few minutes ago. tensions seem to be running pretty high and the language is quite strong on sides, quite strong on both sides, isn't it ? isn't it? >> yeah, there was some quite strong language earlier on. nigel. i have to say things have calmed down somewhat here. most of the protesters have actually left now and departed . however, left now and departed. however, there is still a fairly large antifa presence and also police

presence here as well. outside the crowne plaza hotel in thames ditton. now i'm joined by janie steele. she grew up in this area and she came along to support the protest. why are you here today, janie? >> because i'm deeply concerned. like millions of other british people, about . the illegal people, about. the illegal immigration that's being allowed. but if i may, i'd like to address rishi sunak sunak directly at. and if you're listening, rishi sunak. nick, if you're really serious about stopping illegal immigration , stopping illegal immigration, can you please take a leaf out of the hungarian press agents book? viktor orban he stopped illegal immigration into his country overnight by criminalising the immigration lawyers and the part of the left

wing that were supporting illegal immigration . ian and by illegal immigration. ian and by criminalising them, it stopped overnight it because he wanted to protect his culture and this is all we ask of this country. but it doesn't seem like you're serious about anything . serious about anything. >> i think it's very unlikely that that's going to happen. i don't think , you know, rishi don't think, you know, rishi sunak will take that sort of action. but what sort of practical steps do you think could could be taking place here to solve some of the issues that you're with ? you're concerned with? >> france up on their >> well, take france up on their offer. and we paid god knows how many millions last year to prevent the boats coming over. and absolutely nothing's happened. in fact, it's got worse . so maybe renegotiate with worse. so maybe renegotiate with them. the channel crossing and them. the channel crossing and the people in charge of that and actually do something and stop our rnli people , people from our rnli people, people from acting as a taxi service . acting as a taxi service. >> janey, thank you very much.

sorry, we're running out of time. i'm going to have to end it there. so as you can see there, some interesting views from here. tensions from residents here. tensions have running high. however, have been running high. however, things luckily, i would say, have started calm down have started to calm down somewhat. as far as somewhat. no arrests as far as i'm aware here, which is obviously a good thing for both sides. it is, no. >> ray, thank you very much indeed. and yeah, and people feel in the country very strongly on this issue, very, very strongly indeed. i'm joined by paul turner, head of chambers and immigration barrister at imperium chambers . been quite imperium chambers. been quite a big day today, paul, in the house of commons. the illegal migration bill went to the house of lords. 20 amendments rejected , rejecting the bill and it's come back to the commons today. so where are we? >> well, today i was just looking at the news on that and the commons have essentially they've re amended the bill or put it back into its original format, whether one agrees with it or doesn't and i don't tend to the i tend to agree with the amendments made by the of amendments made by the house of lords, but the house of commons,

as prerogative, has as is their prerogative, has pretty much all of pretty much overruled all of them . but it's noting that them. but it's worth noting that them. but it's worth noting that the government did make a number of concessions in respect of the illegal migration on dates in particular on dates, and considering they're not going to it's not going to be retroactive and some concessions in respect of another children, another 10,000 will come and just 10,000 people will come and just be allowed to stay . i don't be allowed to stay. i don't think they'll just be allowed to stay. i mean, they will have their claims processed in the normal way. but i think what's relevant is i was looking at the figures and last year the government enforced removal of 580,000 asylum seekers . now 580,000 asylum seekers. now there were 74,000 people that claimed asylum. that's a minute number. i was quite shocked myself. i thought they might have up to 1000 and the year have got up to 1000 and the year before 2021. they managed to get rid 336, but 20 years ago, rid of 336, but 20 years ago, when david blunkett was home secretary, we were getting rid of 10 or 15,000 a year. you're completely right, nigel. the figures were ten. i think 15,000 was the peak. yeah, it was. and

then it slid down and it hovered around the 5000 mark. why can't we do this anymore? >> seem to be tied up with >> we seem to be tied up with our own courts with worries about the european court of human rights in strasbourg. you know, i mean, here we have an elected government with 80. elected government with an 80. it had not anymore, but it had an majority . and yet it an 80 seat majority. and yet it appears to be impotent . appears to be impotent. >> i think the issue is really one of funding for the home office because as we heard about that, target to have that, they're on target to have 2500 or 2400 asylum caseworkers to make more decisions. but in january this year, there was i think, 1333 decision makers. and as of the 1st of may, there was 1280. and they're making they're carrying out asylum interviews at the same rate they were doing in 2020 when there were half twice the number of people. so there's a real problem in the home office if they're not making decisions quickly, even if that's decisions to say you can't claim asylum here, then how people be removed? >> and well, we you know, we

called we called , didn't we? the called we called, didn't we? the home office not fit for purpose over a decade ago. and nothing much appears to have changed. now. rwanda paul, rwanda as a barrister , even ken clarke came barrister, even ken clarke came out thinking that rwanda might be a good idea. this week . and be a good idea. this week. and yet it's been ruled illegal. >> yes, by the court of appeal. well, the legal terminology or the reason for it is one of non it's reform and it's a french word. and it means that there was a risk that individuals sent to rwanda might be sent back to their home country. the court i didn't didn't find that rwanda was per se unsafe. it's quite right to say that . but they did right to say that. but they did say there was a risk of people being shipped back to their own country that breaches the country and that breaches the united international united kingdom's international obligations. again, when one obligations. but again, when one looks rwanda, think the looks at rwanda, i think the idea send maybe 3 to 500 idea was to send maybe 3 to 500 people to rwanda. that's all the rwandans can take. >> but it was meant to be disincentive. >> but if there's 74,000 people and only 300 are going to rwanda for a cost of £170,000 per

person, it's not to going be much of a disincentive. i mean, i tried to do the figures for 50,000 people at 170,000, but my calculator couldn't handle the norms. >> yeah , yeah. so the only >> yeah, yeah. so the only answer is that what the australians did and tony abbott ignored international obugafions ignored international obligations , completely ignored obligations, completely ignored them. he was screamed at and shouted at by the united nations, the european union, the foreign office here. and he just towed the boats back to indonesia. and you know what? the stopped we're the boats stopped coming. we're going to have to break international law to solve this, aren't i wouldn't want to >> well, i wouldn't want to break law, why break international law, but why not? i'm a lawyer. not? because i'm a lawyer. >> okay, but but but, i >> well, okay, but but but, i mean, no, i get that. mean, yeah, no, i get that. >> i get that. of course. but there is a thing called national interest. and what is international law anyway? >> , need get someone >> well, you need to get someone that international law. that does international law. >> i'm only an immigration law. >> i'm only an immigration law. >> know, i mean, >> i know, but i mean, essentially it's what the governing obligations between governing of obligations between states living civilised states and living in a civilised society first world society and as a first world country, is quite prides country, which is quite a prides itself a liberal, itself on being a liberal, liberal democracy .

liberal ish democracy. >> see, it all behoves us to close the door to a refugees. i mean, we have a long and proud tradition of yeah, not of young men in chucking their iphones into the channel when they reach the 12 mile mark and many of them advertising openly on tiktok , they're coming in to tiktok, they're coming in to join criminal gangs. >> them refugees. >> i don't call them refugees. well there is a problem. >> i would a problem. >> i would a problem. >> well, there's a problem with a minority asylum a small minority of asylum seekers blackens the name. seekers which blackens the name. if can use that term of the if one can use that term of the great majority. >> obe. not these days, but i probably off probably get struck off for saying but not stopped saying it, but it's not stopped me before. >> no, no, look, you know, this government trouble, government is in major trouble, isn't it? major trouble. i just. i just repeat the point and maybe i'll ask jacob rees—mogg this very and thank you, this very point. and thank you, paul this very point. and thank you, paul. know, you know, you paul. you know, you know, you guys elected with an seat guys elected with an 80 seat majority with majority and yet it seems with international obligations, the courts, the house lords, it courts, the house of lords, it feels the government is feels like the government is impotent. jacob on this, i think this bill is important, which i've off commons i've literally come off commons voting for. >> going through with >> it's going through with good majorities commons and

majorities in the commons and i'm going to be discussing peers versus the people who as lords has been here before. when it's opposed the british opposed the will of the british people. that's not what people. well, that's not what it's there for. it's there it's there for. it's not there to obstruct democratic to obstruct the democratic mandate that government has mandate that the government has got . and the of the land is got. and the law of the land is passed by parliament would be very to see what the very interesting to see what the supreme court because the supreme court rules, because the baroness hallett overreach has ended with the they seem ended with the courts. they seem to got back to accepting to have got back to accepting the constitutional settlement. as always understood it. as we've always understood it. so fascinating to see if so it'd be fascinating to see if the continues that the supreme court continues that trend and actually accepts that governments have not just the right to mandate to govern, but the mandate from the people to govern. >> i don't think this is what's so frustrating. jacob as i say, a whopping majority. and yet this feeling of impotence, of being of, you tied being sort of, you know, tied down, it's slightly tied i >> -- >> um, we haven't yet realised that the levers of power are back in westminster where we still think that there are other bodies that can control it. the law the united kingdom is the law of the united kingdom is the law of the united kingdom is the law by parliament. there law passed by parliament. there is longer any superior law, is no longer any superior law,

but and we must use that authority. >> paul turner pointed out there are international obligations on an international law to, hey, they fall under who's going they all fall under who's going to at the moment. to do all of this at the moment. but first, let's the all but first, let's get the all important whether the is rising boxed solar proud sponsors of whether on . gb news. whether on. gb news. >> hello there. i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast . further heavy showers over the next few days. quite breezy as well . temperatures around well. temperatures around average for the time of year. so we look at the bigger picture. low pressure is in charge of our weather at the moment, bringing in showers pushes just a in those showers pushes just a little east over the little further east over the next few introducing next few days, introducing a northwest flow. quite chilly northwest flow. so quite chilly around northwestern coast around some northwestern coast of to end tuesday. of the uk to end tuesday. showers fade for a time across parts of england and wales but continue across northern ireland and scotland through the night. some of these heavy at times, then pushing back into northern england, north the end england, north wales by the end of night. temperatures hours of the night. temperatures hours for in double figures 14 or

for all in double figures 14 or 15 celsius as minimums in towns and cities a little lower in the countryside. so the best of the sunshine. first thing will be across southeastern parts of the uk. further north and west, it's quite cloudy. there'll be some showery rain and this slowly pushes south and eastwards through the showers turning through the day. showers turning heavy at times. by the afternoon, the odd rumble of thunder possible, thunder is possible, particularly northern particularly across northern england, and england, northern ireland and scotland too. we could see some localised disruption and temperatures cool side, temperatures on the cool side, 17 to 19 across the north of the uk, 20 to 23, perhaps 24 across the far south—east of england into to thursday. a bright start to the morning. there will be some sunny spells around too, but there's scattered showers for many. perhaps less frequent and less heavy compared to recent days. still, highs around 23 or 24 . 23 or 24. >> the temperatures rising . >> the temperatures rising. boxed solar proud sponsors of weather on