gb news. >> hello, i'm rory smith in the gb newsroom . i'm a 23 year old gb newsroom. i'm a 23 year old person, claims the bbc presenter at the centre of allegations i broke covid lockdown rules to meet them during the pandemic. the sun reports the young person says the star travelled across london to another county to meet them at their flat in february 2021, when coronavirus lockdown rules were in place . it comes as rules were in place. it comes as the presenter is already facing allegations of paying a teenager for sexually explicit photos and sending threatening messages to a young person in their early 20s. a young person in their early 205. bbc a young person in their early 20s. bbc presenter jeremy vine has put pressure on his unnamed colleague , suggesting it may be colleague, suggesting it may be time for him to go public. well, separately, the bbc has published details of its highest paid stars as part of its annual report. gary lineker remains the corporation's top paid

presenter, taking home more than £1.35 million. so bazball is the highest paid female presenter, earning more . than £980,000. earning more. than £980,000. a 15 year old boy has been charged with attempted wounding , with with attempted wounding, with intent and possession of a bladed article after a teacher was stabbed in gloucester yesterday . the male teacher who yesterday. the male teacher who was injured in tewkesbury academy was discharged from hospital yesterday evening. police say they do not believe it was terror related . the boy it was terror related. the boy will remain in custody tonight before appearing in court tomorrow . the uk before appearing in court tomorrow. the uk has announced a new wave of support packages for ukraine. it includes £50 million to fix equipment and plans to deliver more than 70 combat and logistics vehicles to the country. thousands of additional rounds of challenger two ammunition will also be immediately sent. it comes as g7 countries have jointly signed a

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dab+ radio and on tune in. this is gb news nato. time for headliners . headliners. hello and welcome to headliners. hello and welcome to headliners . headliners. >> i'm simon evans. joining me tonight to snuggle up with wednesday's papers. two of the cuddliest comedians on the comedy circuit. we have leo kearse and steve allen. good evening. good evening. hello. that's like a pick up line. firstly, i've uttered there, isn't it.7 >> i mean, they just lead me into this stuff. >> i'm not sure. >> being on tv, i want to be referred to as cuddly. right at this moment. i don't think you are cuddly at all, although you've lowered your height in order make that possibly order to make that possibly more viable. little bit viable. you look a little bit shorter tonight. shorter than steve tonight. yeah, i'll put seat up. yeah, maybe i'll put my seat up. yeah, maybe i'll put my seat up. yeah be a bit more height. yeah, maybe i'll put my seat up. yeamainly bit more height. yeah, maybe i'll put my seat up. yeamainly leg,nore height. yeah, maybe i'll put my seat up. yeamainly leg, isn't1eight. yeah, maybe i'll put my seat up. yeamainly leg, isn't it.ght. >> mainly leg, isn't it. >> mainly leg, isn't it. >> that's better. yeah my torso is a foot. this is like. like primarily an online singles bar,

isn't it.7 the headliners thing. so you've got make sure you so you've got to make sure you your initial impact is powerful. anyway, let's take a look at wednesday's front pages. we have the . that's an unfortunate the times. that's an unfortunate first headline given the attack. i was just using their dating app i was just using their dating app user was sent abuse by bbc star and a picture of zelenskyy and mrs. the guardian. no extra cash for pay in the public sector , warns hunt. the sector, warns hunt. the financial times has keith bridles at absurd delay. the sun bbc star broke lockdown down to meet another young stranger. is there no end to his calumny and daily mail chinese spy at the heart of parliament that isn't that spy picture. that's mrs. johnson and the new johnson edition daily star cling on star trek style spaceship could cut flight to mars to just 30 days. those were your front pages . so

those were your front pages. so our first paper is the times. >> leo so that's the ongoing saga of this mystery? >> well, not that mysterious . >> well, not that mysterious. bbc presenter who has been up to some sort of shenanigans with or been accused of being up to some sort of shenanigans with young, young boys, young men . so young boys, young men. so there's a new allegation and this one includes sending abuse is so this person, this individual who's in their early 20s, has told the news that when they were first contacted anonymously by this high profile male presenter via a dating app, they pressured to meet up they were pressured to meet up but declined and were threatened with of abusive with a number of abusive expletive filled messages. there is a there's a missing link there in the story that i've heard that they they declined heard is that they they declined to up and then suggested to to meet up and then suggested to the high profile bbc presenter that they might reveal his

presence on the dating app. yeah. to the wider world. so he was he was threatened with exposure with with doxing or whatever you want to call it, which obviously would be humiliating. and that's the point at which he started . and point at which he started. and yes, yeah i think that's yes, yes. yeah i think that's quite an important. he didn't just start abusing random strangers line . he kind strangers on the line. he kind of got angry when he was. he waits. he waits until he's slightly goaded before he unleashes abuse on young men. so, yeah, i mean , i don't know. so, yeah, i mean, i don't know. i just don't i so, yeah, i mean, i don't know. ijust don't i don't think and i just don't i don't think and i've heard a lot of people saying, oh, but he's no crim crim. >> no. they're over the age of 60. it's like it doesn't you can't just turn up at 16 year old's birthday party like shove his birthday cake out of the way and we're getting his birthday cake out of the way and to, we're getting his birthday cake out of the way and to, know,e getting his birthday cake out of the way and to, know, someing his birthday cake out of the way and to, know, some sort of down to, you know, some sort of 70 year presenter you've 70 year old bbc presenter you've got there's got to be some sort of standard 70 year. >> no idea who might >> we have no idea who it might be but i don't know, be at all, but i don't know, a plug be at all, but i don't know, a plug to that number from what do you think for a bit of balance, the abusive messages were sent to in their early 20s. the abusive messages were sent to and in their early 20s. the abusive messages were sent to and if in their early 20s. the abusive messages were sent to and if that their early 20s. the abusive messages were sent to and if that person|rly 20s. the abusive messages were sent

to and if that person were )s. the abusive messages were sent to and if that person were in >> and if that person were in their early 20s and had blue hair, be so offensive to hair, you'd be so offensive to them. that number. you them. you got that number. you definitely about definitely send messages about something unless something to do with oil unless it blue rinse. yeah, well, it was a blue rinse. yeah, well, a little bit older than that. not the 1920s. yeah. i this not the 1920s. yeah. i mean this is the newspapers doing is this is the newspapers doing their second at this their second go round at this isn't because this story isn't it? because this story wouldn't have been a story. no, because the original story now is marks on it. is some question marks on it. this to add to this is more trying to add to the character it's this the character of it's like this the character of it's like this the story has made it up past the story has made it up past the past. >> the halfway line, and it's waiting to waiting for the midfield to catch up basically at this point, isn't it? this point, isn't it? but this i mean, a second police force. i mean, a second police force. i mean, the met were contacted more , this relates more recently, but this relates to a second police force that were contact made three months ago. give ago. so this does give credibility to the initial claims which were starting to get ridiculed in some parts of the press, possibly pushed by the press, possibly pushed by the pr machine . the press, possibly pushed by the pr machine. i'm not the bbc's pr machine. i'm not i'm claiming that. but you i'm not claiming that. but you know, it's a possibility. we don't the don't know. it wouldn't be the first happened. first time it had happened. wouldn't be the first time they closed to protect some closed ranks to protect some sort of dodgy, nefarious, predatory ranks.

predatory male in the ranks. does seem be indication, does seem to be the indication, doesn't members of doesn't it? but we as members of a should be very a tv station should be very careful aren't all careful that we aren't all tarred with the same brush. what do you think about this anthropocene thing, oh, this. >> e is humanity's >> so this is humanity's handiwork the into handiwork pushing the earth into a as much as this. a new epoch as much as this. ordinarily would be the kind of story right up my street. story that's right up my street. i don't really spend a lot of time thinking about the names of epoch, you move the epoch, so you can move from the holocene to the furry epoch, the furry in of the furry epochs in return of the jedi . jedi. >> oh, they were epochs. sorry. yeah not the anthropocene . can yeah not the anthropocene. can we. can we talk about the bbc presenter again? no, we can't. we've moved on from that. sorry. what about the what about it though. is it. it is it though. is it. does it is it like an indication that we've irreversibly the nature irreversibly changed the nature of surface? of the earth and its surface? because that seems to be the argument. >> at least changed >> yes. we've at least changed it. mean, irreversibly, it. i mean, irreversibly, i suppose. have be in suppose. doesn't have to be in there the long term if we're there in the long term if we're talking about epochs, it's very difficult predict next difficult to predict the next one. i'm sure how much one. so i'm not sure how much that taken into account, that will be taken into account, but maybe we have i mean, we have impacted the planet certainly stuff

certainly by taking stuff that used forest and slapping used to be forest and slapping some down. it's some concrete down. it's definitely . it looks definitely different. it looks different now. different from space now. so maybe it right to name 98% of maybe it is right to name 98% of biomass mammalian biomass is heard. >> i believe now as well. like, well, it's quite loud you know. yeah your first 95% of mammalian biomass is heard. can we get back to the bbc presenter please? come on, write a blog about it . seriously sweating . about it. seriously sweating. well, you've got the sun, which has gone on the same story. so let's get back to that. then you kick off steve bbc star broke lockdown to meet another young stranger. >> this is a meeting . it looks >> this is a meeting. it looks like two people meeting rather than having a party for a birthday in a government. i don't know, something like that. so it seems to be in some way it's the sun doing what they're what they're doing on this story. and this is i'm going to try and say this without passing judgement on it, but there are some areas of the media that have with the bbc and have an issue with the bbc and quite because the bbc quite rightly because the bbc skews commercial skews the commercial playing

field. so much field. yeah, it takes so much money from commercial money away from commercial operators. i used to work in commercial radio was our commercial radio and it was our biggest complaint and now the sun's the ropes sun's got the bbc on the ropes without knowing the name of the person. we are all talking about it. don't need know the it. we don't need to know the name to double down on going. yeah, bbc. are people yeah, the bbc. there are people here saying, what here who've been saying, what was anderson, was the quote from lee anderson, the safe haven for and the bbc is a safe haven for and the bbc is a safe haven for and the licence fee should be scrapped and it should become a pay a scrapped and it should become a pay a subscription service . i'm pay a subscription service. i'm not sure why you need to subscribe to a haven. i'm not sure that's the business model, but even jeremy vine, but i mean, even jeremy vine, a bbc, i think you could say an employee, certainly one of their highest earning freelance hours. >> if not, he said he thinks the individual under scrutiny should step forward himself in order to prevent the bbc being again tarnished with the entire . i tarnished with the entire. i mean, this is kind of i think the bbc is pretty much tarnished. i mean, come on, sam harris, westwood , i mean, the harris, westwood, i mean, the names , it's a conveyor belt. the names, it's a conveyor belt. the bbc is a factory for predatory males . it is bbc is a factory for predatory males. it is fairly bbc is a factory for predatory males . it is fairly obvious that

males. it is fairly obvious that people were looking the other way , like with extraordinary way, like with extraordinary commitment for years. on savile, i don't think that's been demonstrated here. this is more like somebody's private shame, isn't it, at the moment, wouldn't you say? well i mean, we don't know. we don't know . we don't know. we don't know. but i mean, i love how the sun's gone for the lockdown angle. it's like, you know, predatory males are bad. but this one also broke lockdown . i mean, broke lockdown. i mean, it's like i think with saville's catalogue abuses , like catalogue of abuses, like breaking lockdown wouldn't have been would been been it would have been interesting he would interesting to see how he would have lockdown. have reacted during lockdown. i bet would have found he bet you would have found he would have found an angle on that. what what have that. what are we what else have we got before we move on this paper? not all feel sorry for >> can we not all feel sorry for people for stock images people who pose for stock images of silhouettes, who are now forever being tied to these stories? >> he assumed that picture would be he was be used to demonstrate he was going go it alone and start going to go it alone and start a new business or something. yeah, business up young new business or something. yeah, businesonline, up young new business or something. yeah, businesonline, middle oung new business or something. yeah, businesonline, middle aged on people online, middle aged on mobile. anyway what have we got? the guardian next. have we done that yet? so the guardian has no

extra cash for pay in the public sector. warns hunt. so he's told ministers there will be no extra money to give millions of public sector workers an average 6% pay rise. but leaving departments facing a difficult choice between raising salaries or cutting frontline services , cut cutting frontline services, cut frontline services . i mean, what frontline services. i mean, what you could you could honestly you could walk into any council in the uk and fire, just walk around , you know, fire, fire, around, you know, fire, fire, maybe three quarters of the workforce. i don't think anybody would apart from there'd would notice apart from there'd be getting in their be fewer people getting in their way and them tickets for way and writing them tickets for bylaws that probably don't even exist. and also , looking i exist. and also, we're looking i mean, unions are saying, no, mean, the unions are saying, no, we need to we need to have a pay rise because is because you know, inflation. but know, there's inflation. but we're seeing deflation we're actually seeing deflation now. factory gate prices in now. the factory gate prices in china so that china are dropping. so that means stuff we're is means the stuff we're buying is going get cheaper. going to get cheaper. >> chinese consumer >> so that's chinese consumer products, which are not insignia , but we also have food. >> we also have fuel. we also have housing costs. those are still going up. no, i mean,

they're starting to come down. if fuel is fuel has come down actually , that's true. yeah. actually, that's true. yeah. food prices, i are still food prices, i think, are still the of increase has slowed the rate of increase has slowed down. yeah, mean, flat down. but yeah, i mean, flat screen that sort of screen tvs and that sort of thing. of course. thing. yes, of course. absolutely. and do they absolutely. and they do they perk up, you know, if you're perk you up, you know, if you're feeling 50 incher. feeling low and you 50 incher. but what's the adverts for that bbc presenter said. i think we probably we got the mail have we, have we done that yet. >> yeah i can do this one quickly for you chinese spy at the heart of parliament terror. they should make a film about this. it's really upsetting. a chinese was to chinese spy was sent to infiltrate the house of commons by a meeting by trying to get into a meeting that appointment only. they that was appointment only. they gave and then wouldn't gave a name and then wouldn't say there with say who they were. there with ridiculous spying, it? ridiculous spying, isn't it? i mean, is spying. hello can mean, this is spying. hello can i come in? no. >> all right, then. reminds me of the spying did when i of the spying i did when i worked for bbc two satire show in the 90s. got drunk in a in the late 90s. got drunk in a house of commons bar and forgot i supposed undercover. i was supposed to be undercover. it's done . should just it's easily done. should we just give shout out to frank give a quick shout out to frank alfred odysseus johnson the latest johnson was idisk

honestly, that's a theory we were talking about. >> my theory is that the more rich and powerful you are, the more stupid. and naming give to your way of your children as a way of goading to try and bully goading society to try and bully them you smack down them because you will smack down on rich, famous musicians on it. rich, famous musicians always their kids stupid. always call their kids stupid. >> yeah, but the poorest people also give their kids names like nike that nike or mercedes. like that curve. the midwest curve. you know, the midwest with know, the stupid with the you know, the stupid people people with people in the rich people with the for completely the same opinions for completely different . yeah, it's different reasons. yeah, it's a very, cheap, safe to very, very cheap, safe to symbol. yeah. >> your kylie's on >> you've got your kylie's on one end and your odysseus, he's one end and your odysseus, he's on other side. on the other side. >> , we wish him well on his >> well, we wish him well on his long journey . that's wednesday's long journey. that's wednesday's pages all put to bed. come back wednesdays. front pages, i should say. come back in a moment. for new housemates, the running man and global warming goes underground . we'll see you

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bottom of this screen is correct, leo kearse and steve n allen in interesting way to put it anyway . leo wednesdays it anyway. leo wednesdays telegraph to kick us off and a modest proposal from policy exchange. i think. jonathan swift would have been proud of this. so britain should open their homes to asylum seekers to help reduce the 2.2 billion annual cost of housing them in hotels, to according a report backed by former cabinet minister brandon lewis . so at minister brandon lewis. so at the moment they get dumped on in hotels as wherever the government can find space for them on military bases or quite often in poor communities because that's where housing is cheapen because that's where housing is cheaper. and more available. so they get put there and communities are less well organised. yeah, yeah. and less of less of a voice. they've got less empowerment. >> they can't phone up their local mp and say, i mean the kid, but you know they don't, they don't have that sort of political power to say don't dump these people in my community. >> and i think it's really

unfair because, you know, there are so many people who demand that we have open borders. we've got ngos , human rights lawyers, got ngos, human rights lawyers, labour politicians and the whole , you know, guardian reading charter party demanding that we have these these people come here quite often . here quite often. >> they're not the most desirable people who get through in a points based system and they're dumped on communities who haven't asked for them. so why don't we just get a bunch of shipping containers, turn them into portakabins or whatever, and put them in islington and all the places and all the leafy suburbs where people who suburbs where the people who have live. because have demanded them live. because i they're we i mean, this they're saying we should like ukraine. should do a system like ukraine. but ukraine was culturally similar . similar. >> so he. he's talking about >> so is he. he's talking about people rooms. is he people with spare rooms. is he basically them available basically making them available to random refugees? yeah, to just a random refugees? yeah, yeah. from anywhere with any degree of english, with any degree of english, with any degree of english, with any degree of ability to integrate into the family. yeah. >> so somebody who's recently been fighting with the janjaweed militia now come and bunk militia can now come and bunk with your, your team. >> and i do remember, i mean

several suppose it was several i suppose it was probably 2012. was it when the syrian civil war broke out syrian civil war first broke out and was a refugee crisis and there was a refugee crisis there quite a lot of people there and quite a lot of people in brighton and hove, there was conversation should conversation about should we take one one spare take should one make one spare room and i remember room available? and i remember my looking it before my wife looking into it before i found out and but she was thankfully put off by the fact that you couldn't you couldn't put a cap on it. you couldn't say you can have it for six months. you know, tide you over. once they were in, there was a sort long term commitment as sort of long term commitment as well. know whether this well. i don't know whether this is think a lot is the thing here. i think a lot of people thought with the ukraine oh, you know, do ukraine thing, oh, you know, do do the gary lineker, you know, having long weekend. yeah. having for a long weekend. yeah. you a couple of photo you know, a couple of photo opportunities they're opportunities and then they're smuggled and you smuggled out the back and you know, night they wake in know, one night they wake up in the as you say, a the middle of, as you say, a shipping container. >> i mean, this be >> the i mean, this can't be real. it can't be a genuine suggestion. all surely it's just a suggestion to become a headune a suggestion to become a headline so that they can focus our attention again at the numbers, are bad. numbers, which i think are bad. so £2.2 billion. the cost so it's £2.2 billion. the cost of hotels? in part of the hotels? yes, in part that's of the backlog.

that's because of the backlog. but £2.2 billion, that's more than the £21 billion set aside for levelling up. how about a scheme where we put a northerner in spare room? yes, because in a spare room? yes, because i'm i'm from the i'm up for it. i'm from the midlands and every so need midlands and every so often need a somewhere. so a good kip somewhere. so possibly the refugees to possibly use the refugees to level up. >> mean, e mean, i level up. >> mean, i don't know >> yeah. i mean, i don't know exactly how it works physically as infrastructure, but no one exactly how it works physically as infrwhatzture, but no one exactly how it works physically as infrwhat levelling no one exactly how it works physically as infrwhat levelling upone exactly how it works physically as infrwhat levelling up is.e knows what levelling up is. >> could we make them turn them into something? into hs2 or something? >> build tunnels out of >> it's build tunnels out of them. >> how fast can you run to birmingham ? birmingham? >> i don't know. it does sound it is farcical, as you say, it is farcical, but as you say, it's drawn attention to the crisis. guardian next. and crisis. the guardian next. and the echr have a ruling on whether cash is a man. yeah yeah i >> -- >>a >> a european court rules that caster semenya human rights were violate covid the echr . i wonder violate covid the echr. i wonder how many people have just spat at their tv. it's interesting. is it ruled that now this is the thing? actually the story is not about not whether caster is a man or not. no. or any of it. it's a really boring story about

whether the sufficient legal opportunity to have the case reviewed was given by the swiss courts. the echr say not so that's kind of a dull part out of the way. >> it's a legal, technical oddity, really a tiny part of the whole thing. >> and so the rights were violated. and the human violated. and it is the human rights looking into were rights they're looking into were violated, by the way in which this case been looked at. this case has been looked at. and it's all do dsd, and so it's all to do with dsd, this difference in sex development, means that development, which means that the people in charge of the running i'm not sports expert, running i'm not a sports expert, put cap on the amount of testosterone. >> but it's interesting, the way it's reported. it's always reported this way. she has a condition. they say she has a condition. they say she has a condition. so as if she condition. so it's as if she that's that's the strong, unqualified pronoun that indicates she is a woman who has a condition, the condition she has includes x, y chromosomes and depher undescended testes, which are what are producing the vast amounts of testosterone. it's not like she is a female athlete who has a condition which has elevated her testosterone . she has male the

testosterone. she has male the chromosomes which you associate basically it would be much more accurate in terms of most people's understanding if you were to say he has an outwardly appearing female genitalia, but in fact has all of the male genitals, it's like an argument you're having outside a brothel . no, this is but this is the thing that i find you know, it's extraordinarily disingenuous the way it's reported in the press. obviously intended to maintain sympathy for her and not for any of the women who were beaten by her in races. but i don't know. >> i mean, i think, you know, we've got biological males being celebrated and encouraged to compete female sport compete in any any female sport . but and caster semenya , who, . but and caster semenya, who, you know, regardless of whatever she was a woman magic you're talking about chromosomes, whatever they are , you know whatever they are, you know she's got you know, external women stuff. so yeah, i mean, i don't know . don't know. >> i think that she shouldn't it's an entirely different conversation to trans as far as i'm concerned. that is one i'm concerned. and that is one of the annoying things it of the annoying things that it has concurrently. i think,

has run concurrently. i think, you know, athletes are exceptional. >> they are physically exceptional, that exceptional, and some of that exceptional, and some of that exceptional can include exceptional ness can can include undescended testes. exceptional ness can can include uncthat'sied testes. exceptional ness can can include uncthat'sied tenough. well, >> that's fair enough. well, it's of view. lee oh, it's a point of view. lee oh, oh. leo is that leo over? am i irish? is it lover leo? leo, you sound like an organic washing detergent or something new over to meet your clothes wednesday wednesdays mirror who are unsurprisingly keen to see the poshos get a well deserved bagging and no tuck. >> yeah, so economists debunk tory claim that axing axing private school tax breaks would lead to exodus. so previously there had been warnings labour want to stop the tax breaks on private schools. love it. they say it's a tax break we don't steal so much of your money and that's a break. we're giving you a real break. no, it's like, you know, they tax the private know, they don't tax the private schools as as much or at all. >> there's no vat. they have charitable status. and i think they get quite substantial. they get some quite substantial. if regard them as commercial if you regard them as commercial organisations, then by those standards they get some fairly

good business rates on their premises . premises. >> but it makes sense because they relieve the burden on the state. so and the people who send their kids to private school tax and pay school pay their tax and pay an awful lot of tax in most cases because they tend to be rich and so they're paying their subsidised so they're paying their subs getting getting taught and kids getting getting taught and they're place for they're paying for a place for their and then they're their own kid and then they're being penalised when those kids go university and they go, go to university and they go, oh, a privately educated, go to university and they go, oh, need a privately educated, go to university and they go, oh, need five�*rivately educated, go to university and they go, oh, need five tripley educated, go to university and they go, oh, need five triple a'siucated, go to university and they go, oh, need five triple a's to ated, go to university and they go, oh, need five triple a's to get, you need five triple a's to get, you need five triple a's to get, you know. absolutely. so basically ending that tax break, would the labour party have said it would raise like £1.5 billion? >> and the state tank agrees this think tank agrees. >> they say, oh , not very many >> they say, oh, not very many people would pull their kids out of if it became more of school if it became more expensive because of the tax breaks ending. but actually, a survey independent survey by the independent schools has revealed schools council has revealed that would and would that 60% would and would probably or definitely remove their private school their kids from private school or at least of the three. or at least one of the three. >> you'd probably weigh up which one's to make yeah one's not going to make it. yeah you've think about it. yeah >> it's only backed the right

horse here, but that would actually up costing the actually end up costing the state £4 billion because then the state would to pay to the state would have to pay to educate those kids. >> all that will happen is >> and all that will happen is because happening because it's already happening on is those on a vast scale, is those places will to overseas kids, which, will go to overseas kids, which, you maybe that's they you know, maybe that's what they want to turn it in the private education sector export education sector into an export business. essentially. we already an awful lot of already have an awful lot of kids, especially east asia, kids, especially from east asia, who are coming british who are coming to british private, because have schools because they have a wonderful worldwide . wonderful reputation worldwide. and is becoming very much and it is becoming very much more the kind of more that's the kind of demographic that you now. demographic that you see now. i don't know whether that's a good future or not. >> well, mean, you're quoting >> well, i mean, you're quoting a they're quoting a survey. they're quoting a survey. basically. it's just we don't know how this this don't know how much this this exodus and how it exodus would be and how much it would but actually, you've would cost. but actually, you've got quite in got to go quite in quite in there to up all of this 1.5 there to use up all of this 1.5 billion that they'd raise. if your is purely about your argument is purely about money, something worth money, there's something worth looking into this. there's another as well which another thing as well which i think would happen if you get these their these posh parents having their kids go to a state school with their sharp elbows their their sharp elbows and their ability you'd ability to complain, you'd probably in the probably see an increase in the standards teaching.

standards of teaching. >> think that's very >> i think that's a very important i genuinely important part. i genuinely believe think believe in that and i think that's the one thing that's overlooked lot the overlooked an awful lot of the time. other that's time. the other thing that's overlooked is the obvious solution is do a voucher solution is to do a voucher system every get, system where every kid you get, you get grand. you can you get five grand. you can either that and get them either spend that and get them basically a free place at a state school put it state school or you put it towards private school state school or you put it towa because private school state school or you put it towa because prcosts school state school or you put it towa because prcosts five ol state school or you put it towa because prcosts five grand fees because it costs five grand a to, you know, to educate, a year to, you know, to educate, you know, various as they go through. that make the through. that would make the obvious, so then obvious, wouldn't it? so then it would even those would like even out with those three kids, the one that's not going make money spent going to make it no money spent on telegraph. now, quickly, before break, steve, and the before the break, steve, and the radical that radical suggestion that what might privatised might improve privatised rail networks competition. networks would be competition. >> unbelievable , it? >> it's unbelievable, isn't it? rail could halved under rail fares could be halved under plans more firms compete plans to let more firms compete . but why was this not brought in it's this open access in before? it's this open access operators who don't take government subsidies our money and compete with current and they compete with current providers. the only reason to privatise for competition to privatise is for competition to bnng privatise is for competition to bring those bring about all those efficiencies. it was always efficiencies. and it was always possible, weren't doing possible, but they weren't doing it in europe. it's brought down fares but why on earth?

fares by 60. but why on earth? who's been behind this big train? money has been silencing these other. >> well, it's the french, isn't it? don't they own it all? i think the french own most of our networks, don't they? i know there is something really weirdly badly wrong about about privatising then not privatising rail and then not opening up competition, opening it up to competition, though appalling. though it's been appalling. it's been don't know been ridiculous. i don't know anyone who on a rail line. anyone who lives on a rail line. they're happy with. >> the train system >> and the train system obviously efficient obviously isn't an efficient system anytime travel obviously isn't an efficient systrain, anytime travel obviously isn't an efficient systrain, i anytime travel obviously isn't an efficient systrain, i preferanytime travel obviously isn't an efficient systrain, i prefer a|ytime travel obviously isn't an efficient systrain, i prefer a drive travel by train, i prefer a drive because then it's much cheaper and you're in nice car instead and you're in a nice car instead of on a horrible train. but but any time i travel by train, it costs absolute fortune. we're costs an absolute fortune. we're talking like to go to scotland, which isn't, it's not which isn't, you know, it's not like going to monaco. to go like i'm going to monaco. to go to scotland is like £200. well, at and get on at least. and then you get on the despite spending that the train despite spending that much empty. much money, the train is empty. so don't they just it so why don't they just make it cheaper more people in cheaper and have more people in the train? >> it's massively geared towards us. early, isn't it? us. you booking early, isn't it? it's if you book it's like if you book a fortnight in advance, it's okay if you book a month advance. if you book a month in advance. it's quite cheap. you can get a first class ticket quite affordable book on the

affordable if you book on the day. it's like absolutely a tax on spontaneity. yeah, it is. you're that is a bad you're right. and that is a bad thing. encouraging thing. we should be encouraging a spontaneity and a bit of spontaneity and a certain desire to your certain desire to see your homeland. opposite. homeland. yeah do the opposite. >> stirring last >> feel seen, stirring last minute deals on planes because it's going anyway and is it's going anyway and this is cheap. should happen on trains. >> it would quite an easy >> it would be quite an easy thing do create an app thing to do to create an app that allowed you to sell the seats that were available to, you know, adapt. i think even airbnb have that possibly i'm not i mean, not sure. i think i mean, certainly those certainly they have those booking for hotel certainly they have those bookin and for hotel certainly they have those bookin and stuff for hotel certainly they have those bookinand stuff and for hotel certainly they have those bookinand stuff and i)r hotel certainly they have those bookinand stuff and i don'tel certainly they have those bookinand stuff and i don't know rooms and stuff and i don't know refugees those anyway. we're refugees use those anyway. we're at halfway we're far at the halfway point. we're far from done. come back in a second for women drivers for a wonderful women drivers miss netherlands and miss netherlands netherlands and calories pint in calories on your pint see you in a couple minutes. a couple of minutes. >> feeling inside from >> that warm feeling inside from boxed boilers. proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there. i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. further heavy showers over the next few days. quite breezy as well. temperatures around average for the time of year. well. temperatures around average for the time of year . so

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to gb news radio. and welcome back to headliners straight into wednesday's mail. >> steve yet more evidence that mine is an atypical marriage . mine is an atypical marriage. >> this is about driving that's right. would britain's roads be safer if only women drove? yeah not quite. if you just insulted your missus again, you're having quite a good night tonight. >> one of the least safe drivers you will ever encounter. but, you will ever encounter. but, you know. but she drives with flair.

>> i'll stay with . so the >> i'll stay with. so the article starts like this. it's the old. the age old trope that women are the more hazardous sex behind the wheel . no, women are the more hazardous sex behind the wheel. no, no one's thought that for years. no one said all know data said that. we all know the data says women are safer says that women are safer drivers. yeah, remember drivers. yeah, i remember heanng drivers. yeah, i remember hearing a child. and hearing that one as a child. and now i'm definitely not a child. so they've rehashed all of that. they all the stats of they print out all the stats of why but they've why women are safer, but they've spun about, let's at the spun it about, let's look at the numbers. only women drove, numbers. if only women drove, which actually means we've taken it the hypothetical. it to the hypothetical. you don't happen. don't know what would happen. you extrapolate forward you can't extrapolate forward this would then this much. no women would then have all the lorry have to be all of the lorry drivers. they'd be furious that they're the they're giving us lifts all the time. that would probably time. that anger would probably turn into drivers, but turn them into male drivers, but right of this right down the bottom of this massive article, which is basically advert for some basically an advert for some insurance or whatever, insurance post or whatever, says roughly of men convicted roughly 10% of all men convicted of driving offences aged roughly 10% of all men convicted of drivin121ffences aged roughly 10% of all men convicted of drivin121 and:es aged roughly 10% of all men convicted of drivin121 and 24. aged roughly 10% of all men convicted of drivin121 and 24. it aged roughly 10% of all men convicted of drivin121 and 24. it musti roughly 10% of all men convicted of drivin121 and 24. it must be between 21 and 24. it must be the responsibility of men ask the responsibility of men to ask themselves do to themselves what they can do to improve their performance in this will not be between 21 improve their performance in this 24. will not be between 21 improve their performance in this 24. will and)e between 21 improve their performance in this 24. will and i'veatween 21 improve their performance in this 24. will and i've donen 21 improve their performance in this 24. will and i've done it.�*1 and 24. yeah, and i've done it. thanks. thanks for asking. like everything. >> like crime stats of all kinds, antisocial kinds, like all antisocial behaviour roughly

behaviour just peaks roughly between isn't it? between 17 and 25. isn't it? yeah, always like a massive yeah, it's always like a massive amount. and once you get past that, fine. yeah. but yeah, that, it's fine. yeah. but yeah, i know how they i mean i don't know how they exactly, how they as exactly, how they determine as you what kind of dangerous you say, what kind of dangerous driving goes on. i do think men drive recklessly. i think drive more recklessly. i think on other hand does depend on the other hand it does depend what of journeys you're what kind of journeys you're making, think making, doesn't it? i think probably most women's most dangerous the dangerous journeys are the school journeys. know, school run journeys. you know, where distracted. school run journeys. you know, wh> i wonder why not. i wonder why they men aren't safe drivers. >> well, perhaps is going >> well, this perhaps is going to square the circle. trans gland slam now, from the time and unconventional nether region for miss netherlands . for miss netherlands. >> so, ricky, valerie, call is

the first trans woman to win miss netherlands. i mean, obviously it's 2023. they're not to going they're not going to let a biological woman win a beauty pageant. but yeah, i mean, i don't know if you've seen the picture, but you talk about squaring a circle. exactly. square the jaw . they exactly. square the jaw. they didn't even get a hot one. honestly she looks like freddie mercury. looks she looks mercury. she looks she looks like she could eat an apple through a tennis racket. >> she does like freddie >> she does look like freddie mercury. she has mercury. you're right. she has got kind the prominent got the kind of. the prominent lashes. i mean, it's no lashes. yeah i mean, it's no doubt stuff, doubt it's some other stuff, subjective, some problems doubt it's some other stuff, s right.ve, some problems . right. >> but yeah, the dutch is it is it dutch? dutch politician jan keijzer, probably not pronounced like that. it says great for ricky, but this is another example of how the woke gender ideology . i example of how the woke gender ideology. i am who i am and society has to go along with. it leads a loss for women and leads to a loss for women and we're getting we're seeing women getting pushed sport pushed out, you know, in sport beauty all beauty pageants, all these areas. they seem love it. areas. but they seem to love it. so, know, you know for a so, you know, you know for a facti so, you know, you know for a fact i haven't seen the footage, but i know for a fact all the other contestants would have

been well oh, been like, oh, well done. oh, you're so empowered, blah, blah, blah. being blah. women love being being every system every patriarchal system is upheld women. upheld by women. >> so you're you're absolutely onto there. also, onto something there. and also, i a of feminists i suppose a lot of feminists would say, well, these things are antediluvian patriarchal are antediluvian, patriarchal mechanisms. you know, for maintaining power anyway. maintaining male power anyway. so are you lecturing? it takes university. exactly. if it takes a trans woman to undermine it, then fine. you know, let that be then fine. you know, let that be the thing. the same irony is there on the other side of the argument as well, people who would have said these things shouldn't sudden shouldn't exist, all of a sudden this they go, this person wins and they go, oh, an amazing what what oh, it's an amazing what a what a progressive forward thing a progressive step forward thing with bikini round is with a bikini round is progressive slur news progressive ableist slur news now in the independent steve and if you want to go there , all i if you want to go there, all i know is they love stickers . know is they love stickers. >> rosie jones says that she used ableist slur in channel 4 documentary title to take control is the headline. comedian said that it was her choice , her idea, rosie jones. choice, her idea, rosie jones. it says in the article, it doesn't. i've altered it slightly known for her work on would i lie to you and dave's

late night mash still available on up? although on catch up? although my contract repeat contract doesn't include repeat fees find the old fees for that one. find the old one the bbc. still get paid one on the bbc. i still get paid for. in july she will host her own channel 4 show called rosie jones. own channel 4 show called rosie jones . am i a probably didn't jones. am i a probably didn't want to say. they've started out in the newspaper . if want to say. they've started out in the newspaper. if i were learning to speak french, i'd definitely be able to say the word. >> the simple word is right? that's word she's talking that's the word she's talking about, it? which is not about, isn't it? which is not a slur, except when used with that intent. introduced intent. it was only introduced as it means to as sort of. it means to be delayed. right. educational development . it's like going development. it's like going back a year or whatever. i mean, it's . yeah. tardy, as you say, it's. yeah. tardy, as you say, to be late essentially in the french. yeah you can use almost any word as a slur. there's a film called glengarry glen ross in which a bunch of real estate sort of cold calling salesmen endlessly swear at each other and yet the most devastating putdown in the entire film is when al pacino calls jack lemmon a child . what made you think you a child. what made you think you could sell with men? i mean,

it's just you know what i mean? it's like it's like, what? how do you use it ? well, yeah, we've do you use it? well, yeah, we've seen bad. it shouldn't be asterisked out. >> we've seen that happen with i mean, there's a slur for, for cerebral palsy. but when it first came out, the, the s word slur for cerebral palsy that was used to , you know, it was used used to, you know, it was used medically and it was used with noble intentions, then it became a slur. so then the are we not allowed to use that now? not allowed to use that now? not allowed to use that. so then the society, the charity shop changed its name to scope. scope. so kids are just like scope. so the kids are just like , a scope , you're a scope scope. >> so you can't you can't ever. joey deacon right. the kid who was fact, he was a grown was on in fact, he was a grown man, wasn't he was on the man, wasn't he? he was on the word that you're the word that you're saying. the s word that you're saying. the s word is simply the adjective from given having from spasm given to having spasms. that means. spasms. that's all that means. again again, if you use it rudely about a team—mate who's missed an obvious open goal, then it's a slur. >> yeah, but i think the point that's being made obviously we've not seen the documentary yet is about how easy is to

yet is about how easy it is to not realise there's a lot of abuse happening. yeah the people not realise there's a lot of abuswouldiening. yeah the people not realise there's a lot of abuswould freely yeah the people not realise there's a lot of abuswould freely use h the people not realise there's a lot of abuswould freely use thata people not realise there's a lot of abuswould freely use that wordple who would freely use that word onune who would freely use that word online as an insult, as a slur wouldn't send a tweet. that's got the n—bomb in it. no. and so maybe. okay maybe you maybe. whoa. okay maybe you would. maybe you would. you're right. >> it's an n bomb. i don't know. i've heard it called the n bomb before. it's normally just called. >> yeah, i thought i'd. i don't actually mean a neutron bomb. yeah, because that'd be really bad bomb? yeah. it's no, >> bomb. bomb? yeah. it's no, i mean, listen, swearing and cursing and all that sort of stuff obviously very context stuff is obviously very context dependent. do defend our dependent. i do. i do defend our right right up to possible right right up to the possible wire to mention these words when we're about them. just we're talking about them. i just think infantilize not think it's infantilize thing not to. you're absolutely right. think it's infantilize thing not to. n you're absolutely right. think it's infantilize thing not to. n wordre absolutely right. think it's infantilize thing not to. n word is absolutely right. think it's infantilize thing not to. n word is one»lutely right. think it's infantilize thing not to. n word is one ijtely right. think it's infantilize thing not to. n word is one i wouldn'tt. think it's infantilize thing not to. n word is one i wouldn't use the n word is one i wouldn't use in that context. so it definitely does have power, but it doesn't have any legitimate use. it never did have, use. yeah, it never did have, you it always just you know, so it was always just a slur . yeah, exactly. i a slur. yeah, exactly. so i think that's slightly different. but mean, this the thing . but i mean, this is the thing. it's arms race, isn't it's just an arms race, isn't it? soon word gets away it? as soon as a word gets away from a charity and into a playground, you know, by lunchtime, anyway , good

lunchtime, begum anyway, good luck to rosie bucha news now in wednesday's telegraph. leo and it seems alcohol still doesn't carry enough warning. slippery when that's what they when wet. that's what they should put on it. so >> so calorie labels for alcohol are backed by more than half of the population. yougov of surveyed surveyed 12,000 adults and asked what the legal requirements should to be go on the label. so you know, they say calorie calories and sugar should be printed on the packaging or units, things like that. the thing that surprised me said that nearly 3 in 5, 56% think that alcohol should carry a pregnancy warning. i mean , it a pregnancy warning. i mean, it might have calories and sugar. it shouldn't contain semen. this is or it may be contained foetus is. >> yeah, your gin may be pregnant, maybe baileys, i guess you could sneak some in. >> but. but no, no other one. >> but. but no, no other one. >> there was a thing where medical students or maybe zoology students i should say, used to dare each other to have a drink from the jars that contained specimens, you contained the specimens, you know, in the alcohol,

know, in the in the alcohol, 100% alcohol, formaldehyde and stuff. yeah. i never actually did it a may a bit of myth. what do you think steve. >> well firstly think nana >> well firstly i think nana culture, as it's good culture, as much as it's a good joke pregnancy thing, joke about the pregnancy thing, actually remind actually i'd rather remind a foetal alcohol syndrome is way worse than people. yes worse than fat people. yes exactly. worse than fat people. yes exa is y. worse than fat people. yes exa is that it . worse than fat people. yes exais that it. i genuinely >> is that what it. i genuinely thought was like if you thought it was like if you drink, you might have sex and get pregnant. drink, you might have sex and get well,|ant. drink, you might have sex and get well, no,. drink, you might have sex and get well, no, that's a fair >> well, no, that's a fair point. you know how many? i mean, used to a joke. i'm mean, i used to have a joke. i'm proud enough of repeat on it proud enough of to repeat on it to the extent that you remember, they have that thing i'm a bit like marmite, i.e. some people like marmite, i.e. some people like hate me. like me, some people hate me. i would all people in fact would say all people are in fact like there a bride like marmite. there a bride product the industry product of the brewing industry because you know , an because people most you know, an awful pregnancies awful lot of pregnancies probably right when you probably do it right when you get drunk. it's the get drunk. it's probably the serious, important warning. serious, most important warning. you the bottle. you could put on the bottle. yeah, but yeah, certainly in britain. but yeah. alcohol syndrome. yeah. foetal alcohol syndrome. yeah worse. i don't yeah that is far worse. i don't know bad it is. i mean, what know how bad it is. i mean, what there's a certain kind of physiognomy it, physiognomy that goes with it, isn't there? but, but is it like, is it well, is it mental r—word ation? i don't know .

r—word ation? i don't know. >> i don't. i don't know. and also you do need a lot of alcohol. this is like an alcohol. this is like being an alcoholic during early alcoholic during the early phases pregnancy, right? so phases of pregnancy, right? so it's , oh, this pint it's not like, oh, this one pint will it at all, but the will do it at all, but the calories on i don't see the calories on it, i don't see the problem because also problem because calories also exist or cokes. exist on diet cokes or cokes. and get you know, it's not and i get you know, it's not ruin my life. it's very easy for people to moan about, oh, why do i to see? well, i remember i have to see? well, i remember steve tyler was it the lead singer of aerosmith? >> he was about 3% body >> and he was like about 3% body fat. never seen without a fat. was never seen without a bottle one bottle of jack daniels in one hand. clearly, long as hand. so clearly, as long as that's only source of your that's the only source of your calories, you're fine. nothing tastes skinny feels. tastes as good as skinny feels. one to go and it's one more section to go and it's a good one. we've got planet destroying tropical fish, ship destroying tropical fish, ship destroying and the sound destroying orcas and the sound of silence . see you in a couple of silence. see you in a couple of silence. see you in a couple of minutes .

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for the final section. kicking off with wednesday's mirror. and it sounds like a nasa mars mission was based on a far side cartoon . cartoon. >> oh, so nasa may have found auen >> oh, so nasa may have found alien life on mars and then accident destroyed it, according to scientists . so the viking to scientists. so the viking lander mission touched down on mars in the mid 1970s and landed on an alien's head and squished it. and then when the cameras came out to look around, they didn't see the aliens. it was underneath. it was literally underneath. no, it was literally the oz, isn't it? the wizard of oz, isn't it? >> yeah. the wizard of oz, isn't it? >> ieah. the wizard of oz, isn't it? >> i just saw the two feet and then that's the went off wearing her shoes. >> but yeah , they carried out >> but yeah, they carried out a number of tests for alien life, but included introducing water into soil samples which could have actually killed the organisms. >> well, water would kill them, apparently so. >> currently, scientists i remember . remember. >> what was his name? the old drunk in the silent black and white movies. um, chaplin . white movies. um, chaplin. >> did some know the big fella don't drink water? >> oh, yeah.

>> oh, yeah. >> the. oh crickety joke about cricket or something. >> yeah. yeah. what was his name 7 >> yeah. yeah. what was his name ? he used to do a joke about water would kill him. and never dnnk water would kill him. and never drink water. it'll kill you, right? he would just drink gin and of course. and vodka. well, of course. >> the old days, brewed >> in the old days, they brewed a beer for. for miners and a wheat beer for. for miners and factory workers. because the water would you. water would kill you. >> right. that's >> that's right. and that's obviously what's happened to these mars. but these poor aliens on mars. but interestingly, these poor aliens on mars. but int�*itestingly, these poor aliens on mars. but int�*it oringly, these poor aliens on mars. but int�*it or land on it. they on it or land on it. they actually poisoned it. >> they poisoned it. yeah. and destroyed any evidence of it. but interestingly, just recently, discovered but interestingly, just recen'phosphine discovered but interestingly, just recen'phosphine dis(inered but interestingly, just recen'phosphine dis(in thei more phosphine gas in the atmosphere more phosphine gas in the atmosphergas is generally , i phosphine gas is generally, i think almost always created by biological activity. so it suggests that there could be life on venus. >> as far as we know, it's only created on through created on earth through biological activity . but there's biological activity. but there's the of does another the question of does another planet to find a way of planet manage to find a way of producing it? >> there's a theory. isn't there? although it's probably fairly venus fairly outlandish. the venus apparently has these extraordinary atmosphere, ridiculously dense ridiculously hot, very dense atmosphere. that land on atmosphere. things that land on it and never come it just disappear and never come back. might be a sort back. but that might be a sort of planetary scale version of

the easter island statues, you know, where it might be, the after effects of a of a catastrophic climate change typekit right. that there may have been some kind of biological activity on there a long time earlier and we'll never know. but maybe one day anyway, women for you. anyway, that's women for you. remember venus over to the telegraph next. steve and the latest climate shaming activity appears to be finding nemo somewhat problematic , owning somewhat problematic, owning tropical fish as bad for the climate as riding a motorbike . climate as riding a motorbike. >> fortunately, i don't do ehhen >> fortunately, i don't do either, so i can burn some plastic on the way. it's at least a shaming certainly, isn't it? so heating the tank, transporting the fish, pumping the all use energy the water, they all use energy and you've got your and therefore you've got your carbon. large can carbon. their large tank can contribute up to 635kg of carbon. wow. you could travel 3000 miles on a bike or 2000 miles in a car. so that's official bikes and cars are more eco friendly than tanks and tanks.

>> very good. if you have one, send it to ukraine. now we'll go to the guardian. now leo and we all knew planet of the apes was too obvious. this is a blue planet after all. yeah >> so there's an orca uprising . >> so there's an orca uprising. whales are ramming boats , but whales are ramming boats, but are they inspired by revenge? grief or memory? we don't know because we don't speak whale . so because we don't speak whale. so this whole article is just conjecture as to as to why orcas are they may have they may have an emotional motivation. >> we don't even understand . >> we don't even understand. >> we don't even understand. >> well, interestingly, we don't think people think that think or people don't think that it's they hurt it's because they want to hurt humans because they could. there's lots of humans you swimming go swimming around, they could go up them. so they're up and eat them. so they're biting rudder. biting the rudder. they're rubbing up. they think it could be they rubbing up against be they like rubbing up against the because the fibreglass hulls because they scratch cows they like to scratch like cows do field on the post. do in the field on the post. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and interestingly, they've been migrant as been ramming migrant boats as well the mediterranean. so well in the mediterranean. so >> stalkers. yeah. yeah >> rac stalkers. yeah. yeah >> rac stalkers. yeah. yeah >> maybe they want to be a great white. its great white supremacy. yeah they are. >> and well if i would always take over a great white,

take an orca over a great white, i've to say because they i've got to say because they hunt packs for a start don't hunt in packs for a start don't they. they extraordinary. they like they. they extraordinary. they uke uppy like they play keepy uppy and things it's amazing things with seals. it's amazing skills. fish on their skills. they have fish on their heads as hats. >> they basically mess >> they're they basically mess around. there is that. i mean around. so there is that. i mean they've not listed that as an opportunity. they've not listed that as an opportljust taunting us, playing. >> steve we have the times next and this will surprise precisely . no jazz musicians stand up comedians or new parents. >> you really can hear the sound of silence, by the way. you can't. but anyway, let's get into it. the article at the start and the full version on the website mentions so much. simon and garfunkel that i don't believe a word of the science in here, it's the one is more here, but it's the one is more illusion. if you hear a long beep, you think it lasts longer than two beeps that add up to the right? okay. and you the same right? okay. and you can with the lack of can do the same with the lack of sound. along silence. you sound. so along silence. you think than two think it lasts longer than two shorter is so is it a shorter silence is so is it a bit like the way that humans just like, get bored incredibly quickly and need movement and need order to register need change in order to register something? and it's more likely just you perceive it. so

just the way you perceive it. so it's not that you hear silence. you absence. you just perceive its absence. but thing people to but do that thing people use to talk, you know, in the old fashioned telephones and you pick up halfway the pick one up halfway through the dial like pick one up halfway through the dial was like pick one up halfway through the dial was nothing. like there was nothing. >> but actually you were just heanng >> but actually you were just hearing between beep, hearing the gap between beep, beep, remember that? beep, beep. you remember that? it's beep, beep, beep is a54 it's the beep, beep, beep is a54 rhythm. yeah, that's right. yeah we talked about that. and there's a kind of an audible illusion . anyway, we've got to illusion. anyway, we've got to go. it's i apologise for ending on nana unanswered non—sequitur. the show is nearly over. let's take another quick look at wednesday's front pages. we have the times dating app user was sent abuse by bbc star the guardian . no extra cash pay in guardian. no extra cash pay in the public sector, warns hunt. the financial times kyiv bridles at absurd delay the sun bbc star broke lockdown to meet another young stranger , the daily mail young stranger, the daily mail chinese spy at the heart of parliament and the daily star kungon parliament and the daily star klingon star trek style spaceship could fly to mars in just 30 days. can't believe we didn't cover that. but maybe tomorrow. that's all we have

time for. thank you to my guests, leo kearse and stephen allen . we're tomorrow at 11 allen. we're back tomorrow at 11 pm. josh howie trying to pm. with josh howie trying to control schaefer and bruce control louis schaefer and bruce devlin. that sounds like a right old party. if you're watching at 5 am, stay tuned for breakfast. otherwise, it's been a pleasure. i've been. simon evans. good night. >> the temperature's rising . a >> the temperature's rising. a boxed solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there and greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. further heavy showers over the next few days. quite breezy as well. temperatures around average for the time of year. so we look at the time of year. so we look at the bigger picture. low pressure is in charge of our weather at the moment, bringing in those showers pushes just a little further east the next few further east over the next few days. introducing a northwesterly flow. so quite chilly around some northwestern coasts to end tuesday. coasts of the uk to end tuesday. showers fade for time across showers fade for a time across parts of england and wales, but continue across northern ireland and scotland . and through the and scotland. and through the night, some heavy at

night, some of these heavy at times, pushing into times, then pushing back into northern england, north wales. by northern england, north wales. by end of the night. by the end of the night. temperatures for all in double figures, or celsius as figures, 14 or 15 celsius as minimum in towns and cities. a little lower in the countryside . so the best of the sunshine. first thing will be across south eastern parts of the uk. further north and west, it's quite cloudy. there'll be some showery rain this slowly pushes rain and this slowly pushes south and eastwards through the day. turning heavy at day. showers turning heavy at times. by the afternoon, the odd rumble of thunder is possible, particularly northern particularly across northern england, northern ireland and scotland we see some scotland too. we could see some localised disruption and temperatures on the cool side 17 to 19 across the north of the uk, 20 to 23, perhaps 24 across the far south—east of england into thursday, a bright start to the morning. there will be some sunny spells around too, but the scattered showers for many, perhaps less frequent and less heavy compared to recent days. still, highs . around 23 or 24. still, highs. around 23 or 24. >> the temperatures rising, boxed solar proud sponsors of

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