not least the fact that the peer review body's recommendations will be followed. so many people in the public sector getting a peer release between five and 7. what do you reckon? is that fair or is it not enough or too much 7 or is it not enough or too much ? also as well? the battle to save four fs scampton continues. you've had people out on the streets protesting about stanley park being used for migrants. it's got me thinking who gets to decide when it comes to the mass placement of migration migrants in a local area? should it be the local council or should they absolutely be overtaken by national governments interest? your thoughts on that and do you think they should ever be a time when state censorship is allowed? i ask because you've seen what's going on in france,

haven't you? or perhaps you haven't, because often it doesn't get covered. but for a long time , protests and riots long time, protests and riots were happening in the streets. now they want explore basically shutting down social media in certain circumstances when things like that are happening. slippery slope , ladies and slippery slope, ladies and gents. if you ask me . and let's gents. if you ask me. and let's talk foreign aid, shall we? do you think we should be giving rich countries, i.e. china , rich countries, i.e. china, money? i do not. what says you? we've got it all to come and more. but before we do, let's bnng more. but before we do, let's bring ourselves up to speed with tonight's latest headlines . tonight's latest headlines. >> thank you very much , >> thank you very much, michelle. i'm rory smith in the newsroom . i'm the prime newsroom. i'm the prime minister. has set out pay increases for millions of public sector workers as police and prison officers will receive an increase of 7% while teachers will get 6.5. teachers unions say the new pay recommendations

will allow them to call off strike action. rishi sunak has told those still striking to do the right thing and know when to say yes and warns there will be no more negotiating. while chancellor jeremy no more negotiating. while chancellorjeremy hunt has ruled chancellor jeremy hunt has ruled out increasing taxes or borrowing to fund the pay rises , we want to pay them fairly , , we want to pay them fairly, which is why we've taken the decision to accept the independent pay review body recommendations. >> but at the same time, the reason that many of them are angry, the reason that we've had strikes, is because they've seen their take home pay eroded by inflation. and it's vital that we don't do anything in accepting these awards that fuels inflation and means we're having the same display suits this time next year. >> well, junior doctors will continue striking tomorrow as the 6% offer to the british medical association falls. well below the 35% rise. the union is calling for. it's part of a five day walkout in what's being described as the longest in the

history of the nhs . the rhi has history of the nhs. the rhi has already to led thousands of cancelled operations and consultations . in other news consultations. in other news this evening, the government has been given the go ahead to take a legal battle over its rwanda deportation policy to the supreme court. the prime minister has said he fundamentally disagreed with the court of appeals ruling the deal was unlawful . home secretary was unlawful. home secretary suella braverman has been battling to get the policy off the ground after it was previously blocked by appeal. judges as the deal would see asylum seekers deported to the east african nation . mental east african nation. mental health charity mind says people like huw edwards experiencing serious mental health problems should be given the space to receive treatment. questions have been raised regarding the sun newspaper conduct, as well as the bbc. s response to the allegations . as the bbc. s response to the allegations. he paid a young person for sexual explicit

images. the corporation's director general will be questioned in parliament next week on how the story was handled . the met police has handled. the met police has found no evidence of criminality. well gb news has been speaking to people around the country to get their thoughts. >> it's obviously got serious mental health issues and at the moment we don't consider that the ramifications for his family i >> -- >> see if he's going to disappear into the wilderness. that's all he's finished. and he really basically he's finished. like schofield , he's finished. like schofield, he's finished. >> i think people need to leave. malone mental health is so severe and each person handles it a different way. allegations and rumours cause traumatic behaviour, which is probably what's made him completely go off the edge . off the edge. >> the us president says president putin has already lost the war in ukraine. speaking in helsinki, joe biden said ukraine will join nato and mr putin will eventually decide it is not in

the interest of russia to continue its invasion . but he continue its invasion. but he reiterated that no one can join nato while a war is ongoing. >> one can join nato, while a war, a war is going on. we're a nato nation is being attacked because that guarantees that we're in a war and we're in a third world war. so that is not about whether or not they should or shouldn't join. it's about when they can join and they will join nato . the issue of whether join nato. the issue of whether or not this is going to keep putin from continuing to fight. the answer is putin has already lost the war. fryston pollard dele alli has revealed he was sexually abused when he was six years old and was dealing drugs by the time he was eight. >> speaking to gary neville on his podcast, the overlap, the everton midfielder says he recently spent six weeks in rehab because of a sleeping pill. addiction and mental health issues. he's also revealed he smoked at seven

years old and was sent to africa to learn discipline . will the to learn discipline. will the prince of wales has expressed his support, saying he was brave and inspirational . alli says his and inspirational. alli says his adoptive parents have helped him to turn his life around and 12 was adopted. >> so and from then it was like i was adopted by an amazing family. like i said, i couldn't have asked for better people to do what they'd done for me as i mean, i don't if god created people , it was them tv online, people, it was them tv online, dab+ radio and on tune—in . dab+ radio and on tune—in. >> this is gb news. now though , >> this is gb news. now though, it's back to . it's back to. michelle >> thanks for that michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. alongside me, lisa of the heritage party. david curtain and the author and

academic frank frady . welcome, academic frank frady. welcome, gents. you know the drill, gents. now, you know the drill, don't you? it's not just about us three here. it is very much about you at home. what's about you guys at home. what's on tonight? gb views on your mind tonight? gb views gb com is how you reach gb news dot com is how you reach me the email. or you can me on the email. or you can tweet me at gb news. now, i was off last night. you have off last night. you might have noficed off last night. you might have noticed you was watching noticed if you was watching dewbs& co so i missed everything on speak, of course on folding. i speak, of course about bbc situation and the about the bbc situation and the fact that huw edwards was named. i it made huge news i mean, it made huge news yesterday, understandably so. perhaps the fallout of it continues today. a lot of people focusing on the fact that the sun newspaper published it in the first place. they're saying that they shouldn't done. that they shouldn't have done. and a couple of and i've got a couple of questions this. first questions on this. first and foremost, of stuff foremost, there's a lot of stuff going this world that i'm going on in this world that i'm imminently hit onto imminently about to hit onto worry not so i wonder, do you even care about this? and on this whole notion i'll start with you, frank. you know, is this news? is it important? do you care ? you care? >> no, i don't really care. and it's just another creepy bbc

presenter. so the thing that i really worry about is that we spend about four days obsess about a story at a time when the world is falling apart. we have major economic issues and for some reason the media is so obsessed with itself that this becomes the number one news on the bbc. the sun's got every right to publish it. but to be honest , it's not right to publish it. but to be honest, it's not in right to publish it. but to be honest , it's not in the right to publish it. but to be honest, it's not in the public interest to continue to obsess about a very creepy individual . about a very creepy individual. and we don't really need to know very much about his life. we don't need to know about his condition. we just need to move on, get on with life and really get our teeth into the big issues of our time. >> we're doing that a second. >> we're doing that in a second. where do you what do you stand on this one? >> yeah, again, would agree. >> yeah, again, i would agree. agree frank mean, agree with frank there. i mean, there's been important there's been far more important things over the last things going on over the last four there's nato four days. there's been the nato wmmw four days. there's been the nato summit. there's been the court case pfizer their case about pfizer and their data. been johnson data. there's been boris johnson not handing in his phone data to the inquiry. these the covid inquiry. all these kind of things are far, far more important real things going

important to real things going on, and on, affecting the nation and real but there some real people. but there is some pubuc real people. but there is some public course , public interest, of course, because this the bbc's main because this is the bbc's main presenter and of course we're all forced to pay the tv licence. but on another angle, the sun is a little bit hypocritical because they did almost exactly the same thing that they're accusing huw edwards of doing in the 80s by publishing lots of topless pictures of 16 year olds. so, you know , there's a lot of you know, there's a lot of hypocrisy there. and what they're doing echoed the sentiments literally word for word of viewers. sentiments literally word for worstewart of viewers. sentiments literally word for worstewart he viewers. sentiments literally word for worstewart he says,iewers. sentiments literally word for worstewart he says, in/ers. sentiments literally word for worstewart he says, in his. sentiments literally word for worstewart he says, in his view, >> stewart he says, in his view, there's another cheek and he says that same point says exactly that same point about the page. three girls and them getting their bits out on them getting their bits out on the pages of the sun when in some cases they were 16. so that's the views of stewart there. ask and i do there. let me just ask and i do feel like i've got to be sensitive about this, this whole kind of mental health situation. i've mental health i've had my own mental health issues. believe mental issues. i believe that mental health issues real and they health issues are real and they can very challenging and can be very challenging and debilitating for of debilitating for a lot of people. but there is also a part of that can't help but wonder

of me that can't help but wonder and if i'm honest, worry, perhaps that when things are happening in society, the mental health kind of sentence does come out very quickly. and i worry about whether or not we're going down a line that that's almost will become and almost get out of jail free card. right. or leave her alone. leave him alone. don't touch that. because that person's having mental health issues. where do you stand on that? >> well, i think your instincts are right. what i really notice missed is that the minute somebody is in trouble and they're about to be exposed , they're about to be exposed, it's only a matter of time before you discover have before you discover they have some profound mental health some very profound mental health issues. and it's come to the point where we basically point now where we basically medicalize mistakes we medicalize the mistakes that we make in life. it's no longer the case that we kind of do stupid things . case that we kind of do stupid things. there's case that we kind of do stupid things . there's always some case that we kind of do stupid things. there's always some kind of psychological explanation for that. and i think what we've done is, number one, we've trivialised real mental health issues and number two, as you suggest , issues and number two, as you suggest, mental health becomes this excuse that somehow

explains our own misdeeds and therefore , i'm not surprised therefore, i'm not surprised that in this case, hugh edward, we discover, has got profound mental health issues . mental health issues. >> yeah, i mean, to be fair, people will say, well, huw edwards has mentioned previously he's been very open and transparent about mental health challenges in the challenges that he's had in the future. this isn't he's not future. so this isn't he's not saying mental health this saying mental health in this instance, the first instance, and it's the first time heard of it time anyone's heard of it because he has, by his own admission, said that he's had a history that. history of that. but notwithstanding to you notwithstanding that, to me, you can history of mental can have a history of mental health then also health challenges, but then also know if any crisis management team were involved in this scenario, it would be basic 101 to say, right, okay, if a mental health reasons, you know, let's get that there then get that out there and then a lot this will go away. lot of this will go away. >> the thing is, what is mental health? like a catch all health? it's like a catch all term. it's a nebulous term. it's become meaningless and overused . mean, are real mental . i mean, there are real mental health as health issues such as depression, , qwerty, depression, anxiety, qwerty, epilepsy, schizophr , phrenia, epilepsy, schizophr, phrenia, all these other things. i mean, which mental health issue has he got ? i mean, which mental health issue has he got? i mean, does he

which mental health issue has he got ? i mean, does he feel got? i mean, does he feel guilty? does he feel depressed? let's talk about that. but on the other hand, i look the the other hand, i look at the people who now defending him people who are now defending him and a lot this to do with and a lot of this is to do with defending the reputation of the bbc well. if it was someone bbc as well. if it was someone on our side of the culture war, if you like , if it was a if you like, if it was a presenter in gb news or if it was someone that had conservative views, those people who are now defending him would have no mercy. what so ever. i think they would be salivating and they would be trying to absolutely destroy that person if they were on our side . if they were on our side. >> well, there you go. you know what? i'm going to leave it open to you guys to have the final say on that. so views say on that. so gb views gbnews.com. but there's a lot very important things going on in world now. so let's in the world right now. so let's get on to one them. rishi get on to one of them. rishi sunak. he has agreed to give pubuc sunak. he has agreed to give public sector pay of about public sector pay rises of about it's between 5 and 7. so pick the middle, i don't know, six, 6.5, whatever depending what 6.5, whatever, depending on what job you're in. he basically was being quite stern, in his words . let's have a little listen .

. let's have a little listen. >> today's offer is final . there >> today's offer is final. there will be no more talks on pay. we will be no more talks on pay. we will not negotiate again on this year's settlements. and no amount of strikes will change our decision in stead. the settlement we've reached today gives us a fair way to end the strikes , a fair deal for workers strikes, a fair deal for workers and a fair deal for the british taxpayer . taxpayer. >> tough talking now. let's have a little look before we get into the debate just about who has received what. just so you're clear, so we're talking here, the police getting 7, nhs, six junior doctors is 6% plus £1,250 is a one off payment . just to is a one off payment. just to expand on that a little bit as well, prison officers, 7, armed forces, 5% with a £1,000, one off pay rise. teachers 6.5. i'll throw this open to you first, frank. i mean , your thoughts on frank. i mean, your thoughts on that? he says it's this kind of final position . end of you can final position. end of you can strike all you want. do you

believe that? >> not for one minute. i think the government is very weak. it continually gives in to pressure and it continually insists that this is the final point. this is the point of no return. yes. but i'm sure that when push comes to shove, they'll find ways and means of backtracking . one of means of backtracking. one of the things i worry about our government is that it is just not able to hold the line on anything. and you know, i'm sympathetic to all the public sector workers and i'm sympathetic to their desire for more money. completely more money. i completely understandable in these difficult times. but but we are faced with a public expenditure crisis and the amount of public debt that we're incurring. >> yeah , but he's saying that >> yeah, but he's saying that you're not going to he's not to going borrow or to fund this going borrow or tax to fund this amount of pay rise . so this is amount of pay rise. so this is not going to come from additional borrowing. >> yeah, i know i think >> yeah, i know that. i think they're to find different they're going to find different ways managing the money, such ways of managing the money, such as more as charging migrants for more money when they come into this

country. and i heard heard all this before, but i think by the time we get to this point next yean time we get to this point next year, you will discover that magically the public expenditure on, on on this these pay on, on, on on this these pay rises hasn't been funded except by the taxpayer . yeah. and by the taxpayer. yeah. and that's that's the dirty secret that's that's the dirty secret that all the time the taxpayers are being asked to pay more and more money and all the time. what's happening is that we're completely given up on the idea that inflation ought to be controlled . controlled. >> what do you make on these pay rises as in any other year ? rises as in any other year? >> this would sound incredibly generous , but the problem with generous, but the problem with this year is inflation is 9.7. so if you give the police, for example , a 7% pay rise , that's example, a 7% pay rise, that's a 2.7% pay cut in real terms. and the others are worse off than that. so it sounds good as a headune that. so it sounds good as a headline figure, but if the pay rises are not keeping up with inflation, then our public sector workers are worse off. >> and so do you think they should? so do you think that all

pay should? so do you think that all pay the public sector? pay rises in the public sector? because be honest, because i've got to be honest, pay because i've got to be honest, pay in the private sector pay rises in the private sector don't match inflation. so why should pay in the public should pay rises in the public sector match it? >> of these people are >> but most of these people are on compared to a on quite low wages compared to a lot public sector managers. lot of public sector managers. and so on. professionals anyway. so i can hear my viewers, david, i can hear you on there shouting at you right now. >> some of them maybe, maybe they are. >> they'll be shouting, i'm on dangerous territory. >> they'll be shouting is they'll be saying, you know what? of people they'll be saying, you know withe of people they'll be saying, you know withe public of people they'll be saying, you know withe public sector, of people they'll be saying, you know withe public sector, they people they'll be saying, you know withe public sector, they do»ple in the public sector, they do earn reasonable wages. and a lot of pensions the of the pensions within the pubuc of the pensions within the public sector are very generous compared in compared to a lot of people in the private why do the private sector. so why do you believe that public sector pay you believe that public sector pay should match inflation? >> it's just a case of, you know, their pay is actually i'm just making the point that their pay just making the point that their pay is actually going down in real . it's a difficult real terms. it's a difficult situation, but most people's are a lot of people's public and private.a difficult situation at >> it's a difficult situation at the moment because in terms of the moment because in terms of the , we're in the national finances, we're in an absolute state because this

government and the government before them have been completely irresponsible with the national finances. >> we've had 25 years of them borrowing to spend money that are wasted, is wasted on. so many different things. i mean, you have hs2, you have migrant hotels , you have foreign aid, hotels, you have foreign aid, you have the furlough from the lockdown scheme , you have net lockdown scheme, you have net zero, you have tens of billions of pounds every year being wasted. some surely some of those things can be cut and then we can actually give a good wage to perhaps the police and the teachers and the nurses on the lowest wages and the lowest wage bands because we need to do that. actually to retain them in their position. so i'm just making the point for those people , as someone who is people, as someone who is a teacher myself , i do understand teacher myself, i do understand the teachers. how this comes about. >> the majority of the teachers unions have said that they'll be advising their members to accept this because they think it's a very generous offer . do you very generous offer. do you think it's a very generous offer? >> i think it's a very generous

offer. and as it happens, i agree with david. i think that the wage rises in this area is the wage rises in this area is the least of our problem because we've wasted so much money on other things . i mean, when you other things. i mean, when you think about the billions we wasted during covid, the amount of money that we of all the debts we incurred during the lockdown, when you think about the way in which we kind of wasting money on on on migrants hotels, on all kinds of overseas development. >> you've teed up a couple of my topics nicely for the rest of my programme because i'm sorry you speak about wasting money and all the rest. and for the record, by the way, i would like everyone to have an inflation busting pay rise. i think everyone have a fantastic everyone should have a fantastic standard living, also standard of living, but i also do that there's a balance do think that there's a balance to when we're in the to be struck when we're in the difficult times that difficult economic times that we are what you make to it are in. what do you make to it all? and he teed up nicely there about migrant hotels. any second. couple of second. well, a couple of minutes be going live minutes time, i'll be going live to raf scampton, where they're in battle as to whether

in a legal battle as to whether or not thousands of migrants should be placed there or

listening to gb news radio . listening to gb news radio. >> hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with the 7:00 tonight alongside me, leader of the heritage party, david kirton and the author and academic frank furedi. you might be hearing furedi. now you might be hearing quite a lot about scampton in the news. it's been there for a few a few weeks, months now and it's not going away any time soon. this is all because it is of course earmarked for thousands of migrants to be placed there. let's cross live to our gb news reporter, will hollis. he's there on the scene as we speak. will bring my viewers up to speed with the latest goings on. if you will. >> yes . well, all of this >> yes. well, all of this afternoon , there's been groups afternoon, there's been groups of people that live in the local area around scampton, as well as in lincoln, which is about ten minutes away along the very busy and noisy a50 . and those people

and noisy a50. and those people have been down here pretty much every day since march when the decision was made , when it was decision was made, when it was brought up in the house of commons, you might remember robert jenrick, the immigration minister announcing that the way that they were to try and that they were going to try and tackle migrant crisis was by tackle the migrant crisis was by taking thousands of asylum seekers and putting them at old airfields and raf bases. now the two that are really in question , the most famous is of course, raf scampton, where of course the dambusters flew that famous mission on. and then the second is at raf wethersfield, which is in essex . now what's been in essex. now what's been happening today is a permissions heanng happening today is a permissions hearing that's at the high court, which is about 158 miles away, down in london. so while this might be where the communities affected , the communities affected, the decision is made down at the courts. essentially what that permission is hearing is, is it's the council's lawyers and they've been arguing that the piece of planning permission , piece of planning permission, the piece of planning legislation that the government

and the home office are using is being misused. and the home office are using is being misused . essentially, it's being misused. essentially, it's a piece of planning legislation that means that older places is abandoned. places can be used by the government when it's an emergency. they're arguing because this is a permanent problem. the migrant crisis that this doesn't count as an emergency . so the court will be emergency. so the court will be making that decision tomorrow at 11 am. whether either what they've heard is convincing, but thatis they've heard is convincing, but that is only a stepping stone onto the main the main event, as you might like to call it, because that's when they might get this judicial review and that's when the full body of evidence will be presented at the court. and that could the high court. and that could be still quite, quite some time until we see that judicial review. granted it review. if they are granted it tomorrow at 11 am. >> interesting stuff. will hollis, you for that hollis, thank you for that update. so one of the things that will said there kind of really resonated with me when he's saying about, you know, you've got these courts in london the fate of this

london deciding the fate of this facility we north and that for me is a really key point because it's at what point does the national interest, if you want, supersede the views of the local councils and all the rest of it ? >> 7- >> yeah, i 7 >> yeah, i think everyone around the country and everyone who's got one of these things happening near them, whether it's an raf base or a hotel, doesn't want it. so where are unanimous as a nation? wherever you go, whether it's here in in lincolnshire and italy, there's one in essex, there's the prison that's being turned into a refugee centre in bexhill in east sussex. nobody wants it. so i think the high court needs to recognise that that there's a unanimity here of people saying enoughis unanimity here of people saying enough is enough. the government needs to get a grip of the actual issue , which is to stop actual issue, which is to stop letting illegal all military age men into the country, across the border from across the water, across the channel, from france i >> -- >> i'll come back to you on a

stick on that. but frank, your thoughts? >> well, i don't think the issue here is national interest versus local interests, because it's not in the national interest to allow the institutionalisation of illegal immigration in. and i think what these policies do is they give you a fait accompli which basically say that illegal immigration is here to stay, and we're to going just dump the problem on local communities all over the country. and it seems to me that what we should be talking about is not whether or not this particular local community has the right to stand up for its own interest. but whether the nation as a whole ought not to stand firmer and demand that this flow of immigration should be stopped and that the government should basically stop playing this game of just giving up the very idea of just giving up the very idea of some people. >> you say the nation should stand together. there'll be some people in this country that are absolutely fine with this. i don't think this is a problem at all. actually. i think we should be more to help people be doing more to help people across of course. across the channel. of course.

>> obviously, if you >> yeah. obviously, if you live in and you believe in islington and you believe that the best thing to that this is the best thing to have to britain and you have happened to britain and you know, since the national health service, going know, since the national health se have going know, since the national health se have a going know, since the national health se have a very going know, since the national health se have a very casual going know, since the national health se have a very casual and going to have a very casual and promiscuous attitude towards illegal immigration. promiscuous attitude towards illegal yourgration. promiscuous attitude towards illegal your family. promiscuous attitude towards illegal your family came here as >> but your family came here as migrants and like, you know, you're upstanding and you're an upstanding man. and i'm say like i'm noticing that you say like military and all the i'm noticing that you say like mili ofy and all the i'm noticing that you say like mili of it, and all the i'm noticing that you say like mili of it, people and all the i'm noticing that you say like mili of it, people willd all the i'm noticing that you say like mili of it, people will getl the rest of it, people will get anxious about and you anxious about that. and you know, this some people will know, so this some people will push say this demonise push back and say this demonise nafion push back and say this demonise nation of these people isn't right. >> well, the point is, i, i always in favour of always presume in favour of migrants. is migrants. i think migration is not thing. the world has not a bad thing. the world has benefited from there's benefited from that. but there's a fundamental distinction between migration and migrants and migrants . and i and illegal migrants. and i think has happened that think what has happened is that we've eroded that distinction altogether everybody we've eroded that distinction altogethelegal everybody we've eroded that distinction altogethelegal. everybody we've eroded that distinction altogethelegal . nobodyoody we've eroded that distinction altogethelegal . nobody isjy we've eroded that distinction altogethelegal . nobody is any becomes legal. nobody is any longer illegal. and we have a situation where this week, the today programme, day after day after day, is interviewing people who are planning to come here illegally and they're interviewing them in the way that, like you wouldn't interview burglars and say, you know, are you going to why are you going to burglar this house?

they're these people as they're treating these people as if have every to come if they have every right to come over almost encouraging over here and almost encouraging them, forgetting fact that them, forgetting the fact that we're talking who we're talking about people who are essentially breaking the law and breaking , are essentially breaking the law and breaking, when that and law breaking, when that becomes acceptable in our society means the end of national security. >> but then say that these >> but then we say that these this a legal and all the this is like a legal and all the rest of it. but ultimately, a lot of these people, their asylum claims will be rubber stamped out. stamped and pass out. >> will be. i mean, >> yeah, they will be. i mean, the thing is, we're in the un refugee convention and that that is it could taken two ways is it could be taken two ways because is a clause in because there is a clause in there that if you come into there that says if you come into a country, country a country, enter a country illegally and then claim asylum, then you have to be treated like a citizen. i mean, this goes back to that convention from 1951, but we were in a totally different world there. i mean, that was mainly to people that was mainly to help people coming soviet bloc in coming from the soviet bloc in eastern europe, to the eastern europe, escaping to the west . there was no question of west. there was no question of people from africa and the middle coming en masse to middle east coming en masse to western europe those days . western europe in those days. but have a different but now we have a different situation. to out of

situation. we need to get out of these treaties so that we can actually control our borders as we need to do in the 21st century. >> yeah, i mean, you know what? >> yeah, i mean, you know what? >> if anyone is in like true jeopardy, like where, you know, you are going to be tortured or whatever, especially when you've helped this country, then fair enough. just cannot get my enough. but i just cannot get my head around why anybody would think that amassing 2000 men in one area for is not asking for trouble. i can't get my head around it. and if anyone doesn't actually know place like scampton and stuff very well, you've got schools very , very you've got schools very, very close to this. proxies committee. i just it beggars belief and i say this often , but belief and i say this often, but i do feel that sometimes this world is going mad if not gone mad quite some time ago. some might say, i want to talk to you about something i think is a very important topic, which is state censorship . should it ever state censorship. should it ever be okay for a country to switch off social media because it doesn't like what is being said on there? your thoughts , that

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and the author and academic frank farage. now, i've got to say i find this next story quite concerning because whether you are an avid social media user or not, the very notion to me that a government could basically just shut down entire social media platforms if they don't agree with what is going on should be very problematic to us. all this is all kind of come the initial peg for this is the fact that you may be aware, you may not the over in france, you know so many places in france are basically been on they are basically been on fire. they were quite a few were on fire for quite a few weeks of a riots that weeks because of a riots that started from a protest that started from a protest that started from a protest that started from being shot started from someone being shot by a police officer . so anyway , by a police officer. so anyway, there's been a suggestion floated around now in france that actually if people are trying to talk about rioting, frank , they communicating on frank, they communicating on social media. they're going to ask the social media platforms , ask the social media platforms, take it down. if they don't take it down, they're going to look at fining them they at fining them and then they want the power. they want to

explore power to shut explore having the power to shut down the whole social media platforms. what do you make that? >> actually, @ actually, >> well, actually, the situation is than that because is even worse than that because thierry made thierry breton, the man who made this proposal , al, is also a this proposal, al, is also a european union commissioner. and he's put forward a proposal that for all the big social media companies to go along with this. so it basically means that regardless of what we hear in britain want to do and regardless of what the policy of the british government are, the eu is putting pressure on these technology companies is to institutionalise censorship on a regular basis. so this is now becoming a normal policy. regular basis. so this is now becoming a normal policy . and becoming a normal policy. and the fact is that what they're worried about is not just simply what people do in the middle of a riot. what they are really worried about is any news that in a sense threatens their political outlook on the world and i don't know if people are aware of this, but the american government, the australian government, the australian government, the australian government, the canadian government, the canadian government, british government, our own british government, especially the government, but especially the european is now putting

european union, is now putting forward proposals that would in effect control all communication and would basically undermine the very essence of free speech. so what i'm really worried about is that they're using the riots in france as a pretext . in france as a pretext. >> it's a bit of an excuse for basically doing what they're already doing. >> and this person, thierry breton, is basically it is as if he comes out of orwell's 1984. i mean, he does come across as this person that believes that if it moves , censor it. and if it moves, censor it. and that's basically what his outlook is. and we have to be aware of this and we have to ensure that our own government does something not to fall into line with this kind of general globalist perspective. >> yeah, see, i blame a lot. i i'm like a stuck record. me but at least i'm consistent because i think that what happened dunng i think that what happened during covid response during the covid response governments their luck governments pushed their luck and it. governments pushed their luck and couldn't it. governments pushed their luck and couldn't believe it. governments pushed their luck and couldn't believe how t. governments pushed their luck and couldn't believe how they they couldn't believe how they were able to contain , troll and were able to contain, troll and manipulate your average joe on the street. and then i think they got carried away with

themselves thinking, well, actually can do that for actually if we can do that for this and that, this , things this and that, for this, things like never i will never like i'll never i will never forget still can't believe forget and i still can't believe that are not outraged by that people are not outraged by it when in canada if somebody donated money freedom donated money to the freedom convoy whatever it's called convoy or whatever it's called the could freeze the truckers, they could freeze the truckers, they could freeze the of the person the bank accounts of the person that the money. will that donated the money. i will never get over the fact that there was not more outrage about that stuff. but anyway, that's why think people have got why i think people have got carried away with themselves and it's led us situation it's led us to the situation we find ourselves in here now. >> yeah, it's horrendous, it's tyrannical totalitaire >> yeah, it's horrendous, it's tyrannic i l totalitaire >> yeah, it's horrendous, it's tyrannici rememberotalitaire >> yeah, it's horrendous, it's tyrannici rememberjacindaa britain. i rememberjacinda ardern, the former prime of prime minister of new zealand , prime minister of new zealand, saying the government will be your single source of truth and that's what they want to be. they want to stop and censor anyone who has a differing opinion from the government line on certain things . i mean, i was on certain things. i mean, i was i was censored. i had my social media accounts blocked and suspended for up to two months for saying what i said about the

injections when they came out. you know, but let me play devil's advocate right on this. >> so if you are a government leader and you're streets are being literally set on fire, you've lost control of the situation , you're having to situation, you're having to deploy military personnel or youn deploy military personnel or your, you know, your harshest police force or your firefighters, whatever, to try and get law and order back on the streets. and it's going for on weeks, if not months. wouldn't there be a part of you that and go, right, that would try and go, right, i've try and the i've got to try and nip the communication methods in the bud to stop this. well to try and stop this. well i mean, that's what's happening in france moment, right. france at the moment, right. >> and but it's still all wrong to is taking to censor people. this is taking away liberties away people's civil liberties and that they shouldn't and the way that they shouldn't be away from. i mean, be taken away from. i mean, social media platforms have never in this way never been censored in this way before because there are relatively new thing. but, you know, it's similar to governments before shutting down publications and shutting down newspapers and so on and making sure that certain people can't pubush sure that certain people can't publish things. but no, i think it's wrong . you need to catch it's wrong. you need to catch the criminals that do these

things. and if anyone is violent or incites violence or incites crime, after the individuals, crime, go after the individuals, bnng crime, go after the individuals, bring them before the courts. but you must not go into the route of collective punishment and removal of fundamental freedoms for everybody. >> that's wrong. i mean , i've >> that's wrong. i mean, i've never understood people that set to fire their own neighbourhoods anyway because they're frustrated about whatever. >> there be >> i just think there must be a bit thick. but anyway, that aside, do you think ever aside, do you think there's ever aside, do you think there's ever a reason for because obviously you've got the ukraine, the ukraine war situation and i know that when all that was kind of taking hold, a lot of media outlets, for example, they were shut down so that was shut down so that there was single or , you know, single voices or, you know, single voices or, you know, single kind of lines or whatever you want to say that were put out. what's your thoughts on that? that right? that? is that all right? >> i there are two >> i think there are two occasions when it's legitimate to the media or to shut down the media or control it. number one is if you're fighting a proper military war and you have to make strategic and tactical decisions about troops ,

decisions about troops, movements and other things, you don't want the world to know about it. and therefore, i think under those circumstances, who would use social media or whatever gb news to plan their strategic military? well, if you look at if you look at the case of what's been happening in the middle east and elsewhere, very often people on the social media are able to track what's happening way before where the mainstream media does it. and the other thing is, is terrorism . i don't know if you recall, there was a time not so long ago when these terrorist organisations used to put these videos on on on social media where they were beheading people. >> i definitely do remember that. i'll never forget that. >> so i've got no problems with censoring that because i think that that's not exactly something that people should be exposed to. and it's also a way of trying to prevent that kind of trying to prevent that kind of activity from getting out of hand. of activity from getting out of hand . so there are for me, there hand. so there are for me, there are extreme situations where are two extreme situations where so terrorism and war and war. >> do you have any examples where you think it's okay to

censor content? >> i would censor the sexualization of children and the thing is, we've got a similar thing coming in in this country with the online safety bill. and one of the rationales for doing this is to protect children from sexualising material and underage content and so on. but at the very same time , they're sending all this time, they're sending all this kind of material into schools. so again, we have absolute hypocrisy on this , where hypocrisy on this, where something that should be censored isn't censored and i would make one point there about what frank said. i absolutely agree in shutting down these things, but not the whole network. >> yeah, that for me is where it gets a little bit weird. and by the way, you mentioned there about the material that's being used in schools. one of the problems i've got with that whole and this don't whole topic and this is don't even started on this one, even get me started on this one, everyone, it almost everyone, because it is almost time for the show to finish. but ihave time for the show to finish. but i have a massive issue. and actually don't even really actually we don't even really know how the external content actually we don't even really know been he external content actually we don't even really know been taught rnal content actually we don't even really know been taught when ontent actually we don't even really know been taught when on comes that's been taught when it comes to education in our schools, to sex education in our schools, because lot of schools won't to sex education in our schools,

becau what ot of schools won't to sex education in our schools, becau what ot of callyols won't to sex education in our schools, becau what ot of call the won't break what they call the confidentiality agreements between providers confidentiality agreements betvthei providers confidentiality agreements betvthe schools. providers confidentiality agreements betvthe schools. a providers confidentiality agreements betvthe schools. a lot'iders confidentiality agreements betvthe schools. a lot ofzrs and the schools. so a lot of parents, they don't even know what taught in what your kids getting taught in school subject. school on that subject. disgusting if you but disgusting if you ask me. but i promise you, don't even get me started that one. we'll be started on that one. we'll be here we'll have time here all night. we'll have time for nigel farage and also before here all night. we'll have time for finish farage and also before here all night. we'll have time for finish farayshow,i also before here all night. we'll have time for finish farayshow, ialso before here all night. we'll have time for finish farayshow, i wantyefore here all night. we'll have time for finish farayshow, i want to>re we finish this show, i want to talk to you about why are we the uk, giving money, aid to uk, giving money, foreign aid to rich countries such as china, 50 million what's going million last year. what's going

on hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with the seven leader of the heritage party, david kurten, and the author and academic frank ferrari keeps me company now. deborah says i usually agree with some things, agree with you on some things, michelle, but on this she thinks that censorship of some sort is needed from time to time. you're saying that in our society, various clips will only encourage people to do worse things if they already have that in their mind ? robert says, in their mind? robert says, i

think it's a great idea to shut down social media. why should 5? why should we allow the 5% of anarchists to disturb the 95% of law abiding people? close it all down. interesting. but i just think it's a slippery slope. anyway matthew says, don't forget, during when you had the seven over seven bombings, the government closed down mobile phones. government closed down mobile phones . did government closed down mobile phones. did they do government closed down mobile phones . did they do that? phones. did they do that? i actually was aldgate when that happened. i couldn't use your mobile phones. we had to queue for the phone boxes to tell our loved ones all right. but loved ones was all right. but i just thought that was overwhelming. system. the overwhelming. the system. if the government did that, i didn't realise ulez but every realise that ulez but knew every day. but yeah, that censorship one has divided say just day. but yeah, that censorship on

david, in we gave china david, because in we gave china almost million year. almost £50 million last year. admittedly, that's lower than previous years, but still, i can't get my head around why we're rich countries we're giving rich countries foreign . foreign aid. >> yeah, doesn't make any >> yeah, it doesn't make any sense me at all. china can sense to me at all. china can totally look after itself. it doesn't need of money. doesn't need any of our money. i mean, know they say they've mean, i know they say they've cut now they're going to cut it now and they're going to cut it now and they're going to cut it now and they're going to cut it by over the next cut it by 95% over the next couple years, which good couple of years, which is a good thing because don't think we thing because i don't think we should be giving any to should be giving any money to a country like china. another one is pakistan. we that's is pakistan. can we give that's our second foreign aid our second largest foreign aid recipient. i think pakistan has nuclear weapons . why are we nuclear weapons. why are we giving money to a country that has a nuclear weapons program ? has a nuclear weapons program? we afghanistan is the number one country. we give money to. i'm not sure whether that goes to the taliban. i think it does go to the resettlement schemes for afghans. i mean, so that's another issue that ties in with migration as well. but i mean, what i think actually is we shouldn't be giving any foreign aid apart from disaster and emergency relief . so cut the

emergency relief. so cut the 10.5 billion that we give at the moment down to about 3 billion. so you would only do reactive support. >> you wouldn't try and do any preventative because by giving money in the first place, you're trying to develop countries so that when they in crisis and that when they are in crisis and all the rest of their all the rest of it, their impacts would be perhaps be lessened. >> it doesn't really go to things that people expected to go like and and go on, like water and food and things into things like this. it goes into the wind farms farms the wind farms and solar farms and actually what was shocked me over the last five year period, £350 million was given to abortion providers. marie stopes international and planned parenthood foundation to carry out abortions in africa and other places. i think that's a terrible use of our money. we shouldn't be funding that well, people will disagree, but all different opinions are valid. >> frank, your thoughts? >> frank, your thoughts? >> well , this actually gives a >> well, this actually gives a new meaning to chinese new meaning to a chinese takeaway in a sense. you've been waiting all night to tell that guy you've been sitting on desperate get to the foreign desperate to get to the foreign aid. >> i've written this down three

times. forget look, times. not to forget it. look, the thing is that foreign aid has got a certain purpose to it. in the case of china, it's an attempt forge certain attempt to forge certain cultural ties and cultural links andifs cultural ties and cultural links and it's money given to higher education. i think it's wrong to do it. i think it's unnecessary to give money to china. i also think that we need to have a more nuanced approach towards foreign aid. it has to be printed simply reactive, but not, again . there's a case for not, again. there's a case for helping certain countries deal with a specific problem, but the real problem with foreign aid is it doesn't work . the people that it doesn't work. the people that get the money are often the wrong people. they often encourage corruption in the case of africa, for example, you know, very often foreign aid becomes a medium for corrupting the local communities. and i spent a year and a half in africa when i was younger doing my phd there. and i noticed that foreign aid becomes this gravy train that people use for their own personal advantage . so i've

own personal advantage. so i've become very sceptical of foreign aid as a tool to ameliorate late society or to develop society and instead what we should be doing is targeting specific problems, especially of those countries that we think are important to us. they they are important to us. they they are important for our security. they kind of reflect our national interest instead of having this very crazy notion that we're somehow gods are going to help the world by throwing money at it. >> one of my viewers, rob, says, am i hearing things? are you seriously telling me that we've given china 50 billion in foreign aid? no 50 million with an m, not a b. he says he was feeling like he has to go. lie down, dirk. go lie down. it's all right. it was a it was an m all right. it was a it was an m a million, not a billion. but notwithstanding that, the point is, be giving a rich is, should we be giving a rich country anything? one the country anything? one of the challenges would call challenges is what i would call one of the stupidities. not a challenge, of the challenge, one of the stupidities foreign aid stupidities with the foreign aid budget spend, illegally budget is a spend, a illegally enshrined in law, spend, target

and you have to spend , i think and you have to spend, i think it's o.5% and you have to spend, i think it's 0.5% of gni. now and if you if you create a spend like an enforce spend target, what you're to going have is you're going to have it all the time anyway. but certainly towards the year end, you're going to have all people going, oh, have all these people going, oh, no, still got x no, i've still got to spend x amount, i've got to spend x amount. so then you start littering almost confetti like this no other reason this money for no other reason other to tick this and other than to tick this box and say, my spend target. that say, i hit my spend target. that then plays into your concern, which is whether or not it's been effective. and i would wonder whether or not even do wonder whether or not we even do checks balances to look checks and balances to look at whether money that we whether or not the money that we are spending used are spending is used effectively, i would say effectively, because i would say that checks and balances that those checks and balances are . david says that he are lacking. david says that he feels that foreign aid is madness . do feels that foreign aid is madness. do you think that there's an argument, though, at all that actually if you are a wealthier country, even though relatively people here might say, well, having it tough say, well, we're having it tough and the of it, but in and all the rest of it, but in comparison some of the other comparison to some of the other places, being one of places, china not being one of

them, have then there them, i have to say, then there could an argument to help could be an argument to help those less fortunate . john says those less fortunate. john says he's saying years that he's been saying for years that the foreign aid policy is ludicrous and he agrees with you that you should only really or we should looking more to we should be looking more to focus immediate aftermath we should be looking more to fo

getting in about the getting in touch about the situation in scampton and hotels and places like that. lots of people are saying that if you don't put them in these big military bases, then where do you put them? well, i don't know. you'd have to kind of disperse people around. i think when asking in when you're asking people in their thousands when you're asking people in theirthousands congregate their thousands to congregate in one don't understand one area, i don't understand how thatis one area, i don't understand how that is ever going to end. well, if i'm missing something, i'm sure tell me lots sure that you will tell me lots of getting touch of people getting in touch saying they've the saying that they've enjoyed the conversation you guys conversation from you guys tonight. you for tonight. so thanking you for that. look, that is all that. but look, that is all we've time time flies, we've got time for. time flies, doesn't but frank, thank you doesn't it? but frank, thank you very your comments and very much for your comments and insight. to insight. david, the same to you. and thank you as well for your thoughts and contribution, too. if you've just joined us, you've missed conversation. ian, missed the conversation. ian, what doing? you've what are you doing? you've missed but worry not missed out. but worry not because can online, you because you can go online, you can watch back on youtube can watch us back on youtube or our app. you're going out our app. and if you're going out to next, and you do to nigel's next, and if you do need to go out, take us with you on radio, wherever you are, on your radio, wherever you are, though, have a fantastic evening and thank for and as always, we thank you for watching supporting news. watching and supporting gb news. i'll see you tomorrow .

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