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carver, benjamin emily carver, benjamin butterworth and patrick christys. >> tonight on the show . it's >> tonight on the show. it's time, folks , that actually we time, folks, that actually we got what we voted for when it comes to border controls . comes to border controls. >> sadiq khan stooge amy lame should not have been awarded freedom of the city of london for her failure over london's nightlife . nightlife. >> why do we need to bring back the disapproving glare when it comes to antisocial behaviour .7 comes to antisocial behaviour? >> why it's critical for equality that we keep inheritance tax. >> it is time that we had a minister for men. it's 8:00 and this is the . this is the. saturday five. >> welcome to the saturday five. the best saturday night takeaway that you could order. expect fiery debates , spicy opinions fiery debates, spicy opinions and a huge topping of fun every week . join i'll be emily,
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week. join i'll be emily, benjamin and myself along with a guest star tonight . it's none guest star tonight. it's none other than twitter's patrick christys . christys. >> he's back now. the premise of the show is simple. each of us gets 60s to outline our argument about any chosen topic. then we all pile in and the first starts to fly. and of course, as always, want to know your views as well. please do get in touch by emailing gb views at gbnews.com, but before we start tearing each apart, it is tearing each other apart, it is time your saturday night time for your saturday night news ray allison . news with ray allison. >> good evening to you. here's the latest from the newsroom and our top story this hour, defence secretary ben wallace will quit the government at the next cabinet reshuffle and not stand as an mp at the next general election. that's according to the sunday times. it follows speculation that mr wallace would leave in the autumn after four years in the role . he's four years in the role. he's currently the local mp for wyre and preston north, which will disappear at the next election
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after boundary changes. it comes just days after the prime minister rishi sunak rejected comments from mr wallace, suggesting that ukraine should show, quote, gratitude for the military support. it has been given . the fire has broken out given. the fire has broken out at the royal albion hotel in brighton. footage of the blaze has been shared online, with witnesses saying the flames are spreading quickly across the roof and top floor of the building with winds spurring those flames on. emergency services are on the scene. they've been moving people a safe distance away from the incident at brighton and hove city council have announced the closure of nearby roads , as closure of nearby roads, as sussex police is asking members of the public to avoid the seafront area and find alternative routes of travel. parts of the uk have been experiencing strong winds and thunderstorms with yellow met office warnings in place across the south of england and wales and scotland and northern ireland. the goodwood festival of speed had to cancel today's events for the first time in its
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30 year history and london's kaleidoscope festival at alexandra palace has been called off, too. weather journalist nathan rao told us that high winds can be more dangerous at this time of year across the south of england. >> that's london and the south—east, the east of england, leicester, leicestershire , leicester, leicestershire, essex, all that sort of area. for that's gusts of up to 55mph, which doesn't seem that high. but remember that the trees are in full leaf at the moment. so strong gusts can cause more damage than they would do, say, for november when for example, in november when all down, junior for example, in november when all have down, junior for example, in november when all have been down, junior for example, in november when all have been strikinginior for example, in november when all have been striking forr doctors have been striking for a third day in england . third day in england. >> the bma has warned the government that their members will not back down over demands for a 35% pay rise. that's despite the prime minister adopting the recommendations of independent pay review bodies and making a final pay offer of 6. the five day strike, the longest in nhs history, runs until tuesday morning . one of until tuesday morning. one of the last two ships exporting grain from ukraine under an
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agreement with russia has arrived . now in istanbul, the arrived. now in istanbul, the black sea grain deal, which expires on monday, has enabled ukraine to export grain and food safely over the past year, despite the war, ukraine is a major supplier of key crops like sunflower, oil and barley . sunflower, oil and barley. moscow is threatening to pull out of the agreement and is calling for western sanctions to ease. calling for western sanctions to ease . we're on tv online on dab+ ease. we're on tv online on dab+ radio and on tune in to this is gb news. now let's get back to the . the. saturday five us . us. >> it is saturday night. you're with the saturday five. i'm emily carver, and i can promise that you are in for a very lively hour. so let's crack on straight away with tonight's first debate. now then, darren is to tell us why those is going to tell us why those supposedly nonpartisan members of the house of lords seeking to
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block the rwanda plan should take legal migrants into their own homes . take it away, darren. own homes. take it away, darren. >> absolutely right. i mean, is bolton in britain even worth it today ? the public support the today? the public support the rwanda plan, yet the house of lords , all unelected 800 nod of lords, all unelected 800 nod of them have shut it down 20 times. democracy overridden by cronies . these so—called noble lords act as anti—democrat parasites draining our democratic system. they claim to be cross—party across party check against the kind of inhumanity that we plebs keep voting for. cross party, my foot. those residing in that gilded gold chamber share the same left liberal outlook as each other, ignoring the impact of illegal migrants because they're shielded in gated communities, they avoid the conflict fences of social housing, of education, of health care and crime caused by some in
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taxpayer funded hotels . now, the taxpayer funded hotels. now, the archbishop of york, of course , archbishop of york, of course, in the house of lords. he questioned during one session why the government ignores the plight of women and children. does anyone know any women and children? that is speaking about coming over on those boats? maybe you should get himself to kent and witness the row after row of fighting age young men coming over the border. meanwhile while our cost of living crisis hits hard , but living crisis hits hard, but lords won't feel it, of course , lords won't feel it, of course, the home office is splurging £6 million a day of your money with 500 grand of that wasted on empty hotel beds . so if you empty hotel beds. so if you fancy a holiday at home, you can forget it. you can't find a hotel unless you've come over here in a dinghy from france. and if you live near a military base , prepare for 1700 asylum base, prepare for 1700 asylum seekers as neighbours kiss goodbye to their rural retreat . goodbye to their rural retreat. now our war heroes, of course , now our war heroes, of course, are honoured by parliament every single year. but live and
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veterans are often forgotten . veterans are often forgotten. and 98 year old cancer stricken veteran was recently evicted , veteran was recently evicted, aged and left homeless . while aged and left homeless. while lords champion the needs of illegal migrants. if you ask me, it is nothing short of a disgrace. so can we still call britain a democracy? i think unrest may follow if a broken ballot box is the conclusion made by the many. so here's an idea. let's place migrants in the lords lavish rooms and let them experience what real britain knows about our transformation into a lawless and borderless hellscape. if our privileged peers want wide open borders , let them suffer the borders, let them suffer the consequences . as now i'm going consequences. as now i'm going to turn to benjamin butterworth and say, i assume you agreed with every single word of that. >> i mean, you know, it sounds like you want an elected house of lords, like you want to overthrow that. >> i would like to abolish the house of lords. i have
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concluded. >> well, you're wrong twice. and we're only eight minutes into the show because the truth is, it revising chamber that is it is a revising chamber that is meant laws better. meant to make our laws better. it to look at those it is meant to look at those things politicians are things where politicians are being politicians. the rwanda deal has cost £120 million. no one's been sent there. and even if we do, it will cost as much as sending them to eton. so how is that a good deal? >> it's supposed be >> it's supposed to be a revising chamber, not a chamber that puts forward their own policy. archbishop policy. and what the archbishop is do at the moment is is trying to do at the moment is introduce some kind of ten year refugee now, the face refugee plan. now, on the face of seems fine, but if of it, that seems fine, but if you're stuff as you're putting stuff forward as well, additional well, including additional amendments to bills that are actual policy and not amendments, then that is a massive policy massive problem. look, policy exchange report this exchange did a report on this recently. making recently. instead of making disproportionately class disproportionately working class areas as a of the areas suffer as a result of the migrant crisis in the channel, it is time in my view, to just say right , anyone it is time in my view, to just say right, anyone in the south—east of england, you've south—east of england, if you've got four beds, then you're got four spare beds, then you're going have start housing going to have to start housing them the support for them and watch the support for them and watch the support for the bill the illegal migration bill go through the roof. >> i mean, emily, do you think
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it's deliberate putting them in working communities working class communities and saying, they saying, well, you know, they won't saying, well, you know, they worwell, it may well be that >> well, it may well be that they don't as many grumbles, they don't get as many grumbles, i think it is it is i know, but i think it is it is so widespread now that it's not just class areas any just working class areas any longer. mean, you look to longer. i mean, if you look to theresa may's constituency, for example, in maidenhead, windsor and maidenhead, quite a well—to—do area. there are many hotels now, but i do think it's disproportionately in poorer areas of this country and then people are up in arms when people are up in arms when people don't like it. i mean, it's hardly surprising. but i think patrick very good think patrick made a very good point rebuff eating point there. rebuff eating benjamin's the lords is benjamin's point. the lords is there to revise the legislation to propose amendments to make that legislation better. it is not there to try to wreck the legislation itself , to build up. legislation itself, to build up. >> but hang on, isn't that exactly what the lords have done in this case? >> they found the parts of the legislation which they thought were unworkable and sent back were unworkable and sent it back to commons. that's the job were unworkable and sent it back to the commons. that's the job were unworkable and sent it back to the lords, ons. that's the job were unworkable and sent it back to the lords, ins. that's the job were unworkable and sent it back to the lords, i think at's the job were unworkable and sent it back to the lords, i think so. the job of the lords, i think so. i think unless you're going to literally call for the lords to
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be abolished and we should replace with whatever, replace it with whatever, and that's argument. don't that's another argument. i don't really what your really know what your what your point really know what your what your poiiwell, i definitely have >> well, i definitely have because yes, some of them were proposingthere, but there were here and there, but there were wrecking amendments. it's well, well reported, known . well reported, well known. >> mean, emily, but on >> well, i mean, emily, but on the of lords the point about house of lords reform, that's actually reform, because that's actually how to the how we're going to solve the problem that darren dislikes. >> do all agree we >> do you all agree that we should house should reform the house of lords? are you to going vote for keir starmer at the next election basis? election on that basis? >> well, you know what we're >> well, do you know what we're going to inheritance going to get on to inheritance tax and i might well be tax shortly and i might well be voting starmer at this voting for keir starmer at this rate the conservative rate because the conservative party are anything but conservative. >> and yet you to abolish conservative. >> houset you to abolish conservative. >> house of ou to abolish conservative. >> house of lords. to abolish conservative. >> house of lords. thatabolish conservative. >> house of lords. that sounds the house of lords. that sounds very conservative. yes. >> well, actually, because i think far beyond think that it's gone far beyond its original purpose. it's become of cronyism. its original purpose. it's becthere's of cronyism. its original purpose. it's becthere's a of cronyism. its original purpose. it's becthere's a conservativeism. >> there's a conservative majority in house lords. majority in the house of lords. you called a left liberal, you called it a left liberal, a conservative establishment in the house. yes, there is, because he because keir starmer said he wanted to appoint labour laws if he becomes the prime minister. so labour so there can be a labour majority. is majority. there is a conservative, single biggest conservative, the single biggest party of is
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party in the house of lords is the conservatives. >> if you add up every >> but if you add up every single other person from every single other person from every single non single other party and also non conservative, so political conservative, so non political members, do outnumber members, then they do outnumber the are the conservatives that are in there the moment. there at the moment. >> the largest party in the >> so the largest party in the house lords is the house of lords is the conservative party. >> they're on their own >> yes. but they're on their own effectively. see. right. there's one in there. one right wing party in there. you've maybe a handful of you've got maybe a handful of dup members. is the idea that it's balanced. >> lords, have an >> so scrap the lords, have an elected chamber that's not even scrapping elected chamber that's not even scribut1g elected chamber that's not even scribut i] elected chamber that's not even scribut i do think that there is >> but i do think that there is an important difference between trying legislation trying to improve of legislation by proposing opposing amendments and tweaks and trying to build it. can i just say is the key point quickly. >> we whatever we do about it at the moment, we cannot have a system whereby buy a policy is overwhelmingly with overwhelmingly popular with the british conservative british public, a conservative government or any government with a big majority gets it voted through parliament. it on a occasions at times, a couple of occasions at times, and then it keeps getting knocked that isn't knocked back that isn't democracy, but that's exactly how works. how our system works. >> it's the manifesto >> only if it's in the manifesto can they. >> well, brexit was in the manifesto and rwanda was not in
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the manifesto. >> we're going to have move >> we're going to have to move on. guys. what people on. sorry, guys. see what people at think about that. should at home think about that. should we be abolish the house of lords at home think about that. should we next,)olish the house of lords at home think about that. should we next, it.ish the house of lords at home think about that. should we next, it is] the house of lords at home think about that. should we next, it is benjamin,e of lords at home think about that. should we next, it is benjamin, and lords up next, it is benjamin, and he's going tell us about why he's going to tell us about why he's going to tell us about why he thinks should be proud to he thinks we should be proud to pay he thinks we should be proud to pay inheritance it's pay inheritance tax, why it's crucial fairness and crucial for fairness and equality. you go. benjamin. equality. off you go. benjamin. >> that's right. from >> yeah, that's right. from abolishing the house lords to abolishing the house of lords to maybe abolishing inheritance tax, reported in the papers tax, it's reported in the papers today that the tories are thinking about getting rid of inheritance tax. that 40% that you inheritance tax. that 40% that you pay inheritance tax. that 40% that you pay on a certain sum of money for everybody in order to try and win over some of those southern seats where former tories aren't going to back them at the election. well, it seems like the tories have finally woken up to the idea that they might not have been a low tax government at. but for me the idea that they would give all this money to the richest people in the country inheriting very expensive houses. meanwhile, the rest of us who go to work have the highest taxes in 70 years would be completely wrong. now
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it's a popular policy because a lot of people think that they will pay inheritance tax, but you only pay it on over half £1 million. or if there's two parents, over £1 million. so how many people in the country is that? four, 4. so it's almost certain that you don't pay inheritance tax anyway. so if we get rid of inheritance tax on that 4, it's a £7 billion payout to the richest families in britain. meanwhile millions, 11 million can't afford to get the basics on the table or put the heating on. at the moment, i'm proud to pay inheritance tax and i think it's fairer to charge inheritance than it is earned income. what do you think? >> oh my goodness. how can you be proud to pay a death tax ? be proud to pay a death tax? >> because it's immoral? because why should rich families get £7 billion? >> you have to pay how many nurses wages of those rich families paid for throughout the course of their life? >> how many? how many teachers salaries, how many public sector
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salaries, how many public sector salaries, how many potentially in some cases millions and millions of pounds in tax that those people pay because they've got aspiration because got a bit of aspiration because they've go out and they've wanted to go out and earn a pound note, maybe they've had a bit of luck as well or whatever, and want rip it whatever, and you want to rip it literally their cold, dead literally from their cold, dead hands. literally from their cold, dead har no, actually think you >> no, i actually think you sound entitled, sound incredibly entitled, patrick, didn't patrick, because my i didn't earn parents earned. you earn what my parents earned. you know, unearned income . it know, it is unearned income. it is mine. and when is not mine. and i think when you're looking how you cover you're looking at how you cover the costs of things like the nhs, i would rather it be taken from basically from that, which is basically a gift i did nothing to gift to me. i did nothing to earn it. i'd rather that pay for nurses to day. nurses than my day to day. >> when you do realise that it's not your money, right? it has already and the who already been. and the people who have have already have the assets have already paid on their income. then paid tax on their income. then they tax on their assets as they pay tax on their assets as they pay tax on their assets as they go and then they also they go along and then they also probably have paid capital gains tax. >> but emily, let me just say hang on. hang on, hang on. >> let me just say one thing. you know, as i do that you know, as well as i do that the generation that is dying now, people their 70s or 80, now, people in their 70s or 80, the vast majority of them
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wanting to deport the vast majority their wealth not majority of their wealth is not earned it's inflation, earned because it's inflation, massive house massive rises in their house prices. they didn't earn it. prices. so they didn't earn it. >> what to ask. yeah, >> but what i want to ask. yeah, but only. only privileged but only. but only privileged younger but only. but only privileged youn think there's a here. >> i think there's a point here. is really the right priority is it really the right priority for a government to be removing a tax for the top 4% in society instead of taking tax off earned income? i think it would be much better if rishi sunak and jeremy hunt propose at the next general election that they were going to cut part of income tax, that they would perhaps going to cut corporation tax or business rates or national insurance contributions , that contributions, taxes that are actually contribute to actually going to contribute to economic growth and put more money back into people's pockets. i want to ask tax because that we have a red wall tory government, right? >> got their on northern >> they got their on northern seats , but there many seats, but there aren't many northern seats where people's houses £1 million. >> absolutely . and you know, i >> absolutely. and you know, i have quite a nuanced view on this, which is you remember when theresa tried bringing in theresa may tried bringing in the social care scheme where she
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basically said, well, sell some of your house to pay for part of your social care up and it'll be capped at a certain point. and that went down like a bag of sick. imagine that is what sick. i imagine that is what lost election. when lost her. the election. when people really about their people really care about their homes, properties what homes, their properties and what they they can pass they own and what they can pass on their children, i get all on to their children, i get all of that. i just think a time of that. i just think at a time when saying to people, when we're saying to people, you're to part with 50% of you're going to part with 50% of your income right now. so your earned income right now. so people my in the red people like my family in the red wall definitely don't have wall who definitely don't have assets that be culpable to assets that will be culpable to pay assets that will be culpable to pay inheritance tax, i in some of them paying 50% marginal tax. and you think hang on a minute, that's not right. i completely agree. >> it's not the right priority at this moment in time. >> but it's wrong morally, theoretically . theoretically. >> yes. >> yes. >> i agree with that. >> i agree with that. >> and looking at inheritance tax, i don't think it's a good tax. there are so many exemptions anyway that people with assets can hide away with big assets can hide away anyway. it's the middle class anyway. so it's the middle class people happen live in the people who happen to live in the south—east, their homes. south—east, in their homes. >> no if >> but there's no issue if that's the wrong why that's the wrong priority, why is brought up now? why is it being brought up now? why
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should richer? should rich kids get richer? >> it's an issue of fairness, right? are right? because people are feeling now state feeling right now that the state is very unfair. you cover it on your show single day where your show every single day where people are saying, why are we not doing anything on illegal migrants? they're getting a better we are. and better deal than we are. and all of these issues. and of these other issues. and they're saying, imagine, they're saying, i imagine, patrick, will turn around patrick, they will turn around and actually away and say, why actually take away and say, why actually take away a impacts 4% of a tax that only impacts 4% of people you could take away people when you could take away a reduce a tax that a tax or reduce a tax that impacts all of us? >> absolutely. 100% with >> absolutely. 100% agree with that. also think, yeah, that. i do also think, yeah, there's question not there's no question this is not there's no question this is not the main priority for the country. but just because it's not main right now not the main priority right now doesn't should still do doesn't mean you should still do not something think is not do something that i think is a thing for me. it is just a good thing for me. it is just a good thing for me. it is just a moral issue. i do take what you're saying, for me it's you're saying, but for me it's a moral somebody is moral thing. if somebody is dragged from very, dragged themselves up from very, very poor beginnings in life, they probably haven't. >> probably they. >> they're probably they. >> they're probably they. >> the >> oh, excuse me. that's the truth. is >> no, it's not. no no. that is really the whole problem with inheritance tax is that you're giving money to people giving a load of money to people because from money. giving a load of money to people becthat's from money. giving a load of money to people becthat's not from money. giving a load of money to people becthat's not pullingmoney. giving a load of money to people becthat's not pulling yourself >> that's not pulling yourself up bootstraps rubbish. up by bootstraps rubbish. >> you completely and >> you are completely wrong and you and you're
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you know you're wrong and you're just because you're on just doing it because you're on the and want to the telly and you want to impress your mates right? impress your leftie mates right? loads of people. loads of people don't have any 30, 30 or 40 years out on years ago started out on building sites and worked their way the time way up. and then by the time that they maybe that they retired, they maybe had company and had a construction company and they and they got a nice house and they worked their they worked all their lives. they died something asbestos died of something like asbestos inhalation a death brought inhalation or a death brought on by work by some kind of work related illness. and they want to pass that family. that on to their family. >> those are not >> those people are not millionaires. get to millionaires. those that get to benefit note, we've millionaires. those that get to bentot note, we've millionaires. those that get to bentot on note, we've millionaires. those that get to bentot on that e, we've millionaires. those that get to bentot on that one.e've got to finish on that one. >> that was great debate, >> but that was a great debate, guys. tonight, guys. still to come tonight, patrick back. he's patrick christys is back. he's going the idea going to dissect the idea of a minister and gives minister for men. and alvi gives us on decimation us his $0.02 on the decimation of and carver's of london. and in carver's palava. it time to palava. that's me. is it time to bnng palava. that's me. is it time to bring back the quintessential british stare british disapproving stare nana to behaviour? british disapproving stare nana to the behaviour? british disapproving stare nana to the saturday viour?
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with hard earned tax income. it should now now be ours to do with as we wish. i don't want it taxed at my death to help pay millions to house illegal migrants . we are not rich, just migrants. we are not rich, just hard working. i think some people do definitely share that view. absolutely now it's time for our next debate. up next, it's none other than patrick christys should the uk have a for minister men? patrick's going to give us his $0.02. take it away, patrick. right. >> yes, i do think that we should have a minister for men. everybody else gets a minister. why not the men? it's not fashionable thing to say this. and the usual types are going to absolutely slaughter but absolutely slaughter me. but i've a little list of some i've made a little list of some of the reasons i think men of the reasons why i think men specifically need direct representation from a minister. so need someone to stand up so they need someone to stand up and help to fight the epidemic of male suicide in education, boys have been outperformed by girls since the mid 90s. nine out of ten homeless people are men . men die five years younger
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men. men die five years younger than women . 1 in 3 domestic than women. 1 in 3 domestic abuse cases are for men. divorce men tend to pay out a lot more. even if they don't want the divorce. and it wasn't their fault. and parental rights as well. apparently 150 dads a day are denied access to their children, which also , as far as children, which also, as far as my research shows as well , means my research shows as well, means that the access to the paternal grandfather and grandmother link as well is shattered . i think as well is shattered. i think that's an absolute problem. look i do think whilst it might not be fashionable at the end of the day, everybody seems to get day, everybody else seems to get some form of representation. why can't a minister can't we have a minister to stand for men home? stand up for men home? >> do you know? i actually think that we don't talk about men enoughin that we don't talk about men enough in that, you know, there are so many which speak so much about body issues and what love island is doing to women. well, what's island other what's love island and other things like instagram, things like that? instagram, even , dare i what's that even, dare i say? what's that doing to men? body image issues . and you know, you look on the tube.i . and you know, you look on the tube. i was on the tube earlier today and it says, please don't
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stay in big. who do you think that's for? that's aimed at men, right ? saying don't look at right? saying don't look at women , don't do anything wrong. women, don't do anything wrong. you're . yeah, you're you're the problem. yeah, you're the issue. and think men hear the issue. and i think men hear this again. this time and again. >> would say and this time and again. >> get would say and this time and again. >> get your would say and this time and again. >> get your view, 'ould say and this time and again. >> get your view, albeit ay and this time and again. >> get your view, albeit is and i'll get your view, albeit is because those because of all of those different issues that because of all of those diffe raised. issues that because of all of those diffe raised. not ssues that because of all of those diffe raised. not that; that because of all of those diffe raised. not that little, i've raised. not that little, but issues raised but the issues that i've raised there. and these are all things that at a that can be dealt with at a national and for variety national level and for a variety of people. it of different people. i think it would have would just be nice to have a specific of eyes looking specific pair of eyes looking at right comes right when it comes to homelessness, example, homelessness, for example, what are male are we doing about male homelessness just that homelessness and just have that eye it ? eye on it? >> i a minister for men is >> i think a minister for men is a brilliant idea. it's an idea that have agreed with that i have agreed with for a very time actually , because very long time actually, because there are some really profound issues with that men are going through in this country. let's take mental health, example. take mental health, for example. i with mental i have struggled with mental health the past year health a lot in the past year and it is something that a and it is not something that a lot of men feel comfortable talking about. it is not something which seems to get that much attention from government that one of the biggest the biggest biggest in fact, the biggest killer think it's killer of men under i think it's 40 suicide . but that
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40 is suicide. but that statistic that's not changed since the first time i looked at that statistic about five years ago. so i think is time ago. so i think it is time actually for a government minister to this as part of minister to have this as part of their can their portfolio. so they can solve problem. their portfolio. so they can sobl'm problem. their portfolio. so they can sob i'm p sure m. their portfolio. so they can sobl'm psure a. their portfolio. so they can sobl'm psure a minister is their portfolio. so they can sobl'nto psure a minister is their portfolio. so they can sobl'nto dosure a minister is their portfolio. so they can sobl'nto do much.minister is their portfolio. so they can sobl'nto do much. iiinister is their portfolio. so they can sobl'nto do much. i mean' is their portfolio. so they can sobl'nto do much. i mean' ia going to do much. i mean, a minister, minister, the minister, a minister, the minister for women was made in 1997 by blair and it was taken up 1997 by blair and it was taken ”p by 1997 by blair and it was taken up by harriet harman. she was the in that position the first in that position for the first in that position for the for women. the minister for women. it's just thing to make just a made up thing to make people i don't just a made up thing to make peoplit's i don't just a made up thing to make peoplit's actually i don't just a made up thing to make peoplit's actually going i don't think it's actually going to solve but point solve any issues. but your point that you make are really, really important. but think i important. but i think and i don't want speak for men don't want to speak for men because i am a woman, do because i am a woman, but i do think that men feel think that some men feel undervalued not undervalued and they're not quite position quite sure what their position is if they like is in society. if they like andrew tate, then they're told they're a monster. they don't they're a monster. if they don't like tate , then they're they're a monster. if they don't like hard tate , then they're they're a monster. if they don't like hard enough. , then they're they're a monster. if they don't like hard enough. youen they're they're a monster. if they don't like hard enough. you know, 're not hard enough. you know, i think is quite confusing and think it is quite confusing and it to be all about it does seem to be all about women quite a lot of the time , i women quite a lot of the time, i think, in schools as well . think, in schools as well. there's a lot about how boys need to be taught not to be aggressors. they need to be taught be domestic taught not to be domestic abusers. they need to be taught all do they all of this. but what do they
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need that's need to be taught that's positive you that's not positive? you know, that's not all how be all centred around how to be nice all centred around how to be nic> what would be the problem with men? with the minister for men? >> there are >> i mean, look, there are definite examples. the one about suicide killer of suicide being the main killer of men under 40 and also in schools, boys tend to do get lower grades than girls for quite some years now. so clearly there are problems there. but ultimately, i think men in this country are to blame for a lot of these issues . we have toxic of these issues. we have toxic masculinity where men or boys are trained by their fathers to hide their emotions, to not talk about who they are, to be aggressive, that that's the only way to behave. and that's why you have so many women who are victims domestic abuse at the victims of domestic abuse at the hands of men. have so many hands of men. you have so many men irresponsibly . men who behave irresponsibly. me. and i actually think that , me. and i actually think that, you know, some those toxic , you know, some of those toxic, masculine men on television should taking account not should start taking account not just interesting point that just an interesting point that you there, because again, you make there, because again, i was doing the research before. >> two before. » two >> so two thirds of domestic abuse cases . the woman is the abuse cases. the woman is the victim. okay which does mean that the time men
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that one third of the time men are the victim. and how often do you hear that? you actually hear about that? because huge because that's still a huge amount people. amount of people. >> but think the problem with >> but i think the problem with domestic or domestic violence is whether or not that's a not it is the man that's a victim the woman that victim or the woman that is a victim. if the woman's victim. clearly, if the woman's a victim, then it's a problem with your is with men. and if your point is that toxic masculinity is causing towards causing domestic abuse towards women, then surely there was women, then surely if there was a minister whose specific portfolio was to deal with men's issues, wouldn't that help with the domestic violence against women the domestic violence against worien all i'd say is there >> i mean, all i'd say is there is already rather a lot of men in in government. in parliament and in government. why need one? the why do you need another one? the difference women are difference is that women are underrepresented on an institutional level. >> think ever >> i don't think we ever celebrate men celebrate what makes men different from women. go on. i don't think do really. in don't think we do really. in society, celebrate what society, we don't celebrate what makes men special or unique or makes men special or unique or makes them powerful or good. i don't think we do, do we? >> no, i don't think so. >> no, i don't think so. >> maybe in athletics or something like that. you know what, though? >> i think actually focusing on the issues of responsibility, not men are taking not enough men are taking responsibility for their own actions we're you know,
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actions. we're not you know, it's good to say, it's all well and good to say, actually, we should actually, i think we should talk about mental health and things like about like that more. what about fatherless homes, leaving fatherless homes, men leaving their ? their children? >> absolutely. things that. >> absolutely. things like that. but also as well, to be honest, i that loads of people i know that loads of people are completely but it is completely different, but it is actually right be bloke actually all right to be a bloke who wants to go to the pub and have nine pints watch the have nine pints and watch the football mates at the weekend. >> oh, come it. weekend. >> oh, come not >> oh, come off it. you're not oppressed do oppressed for wanting to do things but that's fine. >> i'm saying it's fine. sorry. fine. >> you saying it's fine. sorry. fine. >> you know; it's fine. sorry. fine. >> you know that fine. sorry. fine. >> you know that idea sorry. fine. >> you know that idea as rry. fine. >> you know that idea as ay. fine. >> you know that idea as a camp , a camp? gay man, i think , as a camp? gay man, i think i know what it's like to not meet the expectations of what a man looks like. the bloke wanting to watch the footy and have nine pints. william pints. pints. you know, william hague. they're not being oppressed by these structures, but look me can be. but men who look like me can be. you're yeah that is. you're oppressed. yeah that is. thatis you're oppressed. yeah that is. that is where homophobia comes from. so the idea that people like that you like that that you just described a absurd i >> -- >> i'm not saying they're a victim. saying victim. i'm just saying it should to them should be reinforced to them that absolutely fine. that that is absolutely fine. there's between there's a difference between saying victimised there's a difference between sa'anything victimised there's a difference between sa'anything that.'ictimised there's a difference between sa'anything that. that's ed or anything like that. that's not i not what i'm saying. what i am saying think sometimes they saying is i think sometimes they stigmatise five to go down to the sync nine pints. >> you've family and
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>> if you've got a family and a wife although i think wife at home. although i think women go their boozy women can go for their boozy brunches. women can go for their boozy bru yes. s. women can go for their boozy bques. so women can go for their boozy bru yes. so we women can go for their boozy bques. so we are going to have >> yes. so we are going to have to leave it there. unfortunately although william to leave it there. unfortunately althou�*being william to leave it there. unfortunately althou�*being the william to leave it there. unfortunately althou�*being the sort william to leave it there. unfortunately althou�*being the sort of lliam to leave it there. unfortunately althou�*being the sort of figure hague being the sort of figure of as want to have of masculinity as want to have no people. >> famously drank ten pints. >> still to come tonight i'll be is going to give us his take on a honour being given a prestigious honour being given to london's night tsar despite the city's dwindling nightlife and in carver's palaver , is it and in carver's palaver, is it time to bring back the quintessentially british disapprove and stay to tackle anti—social behaviour ? you're anti—social behaviour? you're with the saturday five live on gb news. here's your weather. >> that warm feeling inside . >> that warm feeling inside. aside from boxt boilers is proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> hello there, i'm jonathan vautrey here for your latest gb news weather forecast provided by the met office . unseasonably by the met office. unseasonably windy saturday for many of us through today. all due to this low pressure system we saw gusts
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radio. >> welcome back to the saturday five. >> welcome back to the saturday five.thank >> welcome back to the saturday five. thank you very much for sending in all your emails and has written in, she says. darren i applaud you young man. every last word. there you go . last word. there you go. >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> thumbs up for darren christian says benjamin wright. as usual . as usual. >> nothing you don't hear every day. >> taxes for the poor, tax cuts for the rich. it's not right . for the rich. it's not right. well, i actually saw another email in the inbox. it said
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emily was absolutely right. but there you go. there's a there's a plus for benjamin. anyway it's time for our next debate . up time for our next debate. up next is alvey. he's going to talk about sadiq khan and his decision give a prestigious decision to give a prestigious honour his night tsar. honour to his night tsar. despite questionable record . despite a questionable record. off you go. alvey. >> it is sadiq khan's london, and are just living it. and we are just living it. living in it. is there anything else sadiq khan wants to do to destroy this city? not content with expanding the ulez zone out to the m25 or the soaring levels of crime in london. he now has awarded his night tsar amy lame or amy lame. should we call her with a salary increase of 40? she's now paid . £116,000 for she's now paid. £116,000 for doing suite depher. she's also recently been given a prestigious award by the city of london corporation , the freedom london corporation, the freedom of the city of london, one of the oldest honours of london, given to esteemed londoners for all of their work, enriching this city. but what is she
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actually done during her time as sadiq khan's nightlife tsar? well since 2016, we've seen . 37% well since 2016, we've seen. 37% of london's nightlife venues close. this woman, amy lame, also bills herself as an lgbtq advocate, while 60% of london's lgbtq nightlife venues have closed in the last ten years. and yet, this is the woman who sadiq khan gives pay rise. this is the woman who the city of london corporation awards with one of the most prestigious awards in the whole of london. we need to get back to basics. if someone's not good at their job, they need to be given the sack, not given an award. and i hope that at the next mayoral election in 2023, we vote in a conservative. >> well, i'll be. why do you think that's not going to happen, though? you know, if we look at the two candidates, they're setting the they're not exactly setting the world they? as in they're not exactly setting the wortwo they? as in they're not exactly setting the wortwo that they? as in they're not exactly setting the wortwo that have:hey? as in they're not exactly setting the wortwo that have got? as in they're not exactly setting the wortwo that have got through to the two that have got through to the two that have got through to the mayoralty as the final for the mayoralty as in cat be in the cat to be the conservative candidate? well, i
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actually pleasure of actually had the pleasure of interviewing both mos hussein and susan hall in my capacity as the vice chair of the lgbt conservatives and actually thought they were two very interesting candidates. >> and if we actually look at the some them, the statistics, some of them, which out about the which i just read out about the nightlife closures that we've seen in london about crime surging , about ulez being surging, about ulez being expanded out the m25 , i expanded out to the m25, i actually there's actually think there's a groundswell of support in london for because sadiq is not for change because sadiq is not working. it is absolutely horrendous khan has horrendous what sadiq khan has done city. precisely. done to this city. precisely. but but sadiq khan's man, but but sadiq khan's your man, isn't benjamin are isn't he, though? benjamin are you that he has given this you happy that he has given this amy lame a 40% pay rise for a record of failure? >> whenever people talk about ulez, i think they're doing a homophobic hate crime, to be honest. it's such a such a strange for this pollution strange name for this pollution thing. look, i think sadiq khan is mayor london is a fantastic mayor of london because he understands that this is a city of diverse liberal people from all across the globe who are pushing forward. and you might be small minded bigots, but he is for most londoners
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are. and i think small minded not the question which not to answer the question which i which is about i asked you, which is about whether not you are happy whether or not you are happy that sadiq has amy that sadiq khan has given amy lame a 40% pay rise for a record of failure. well, look, i think there attitudes to things there are attitudes to things like are changing. like nightclubs are changing. you people just bit you know, people just a bit younger to go younger than us don't tend to go out in a way was culturally out in a way that was culturally normal to generations before them. got far them. so i think it's got far more with that than this one. >> can i just say because, you know, a lot of people will be watching that watching this right now that aren't give aren't in london and don't give two this for two hoots about london. this for me more about a me is a story more about a nafion me is a story more about a nation wide issue failure nation wide issue of failure being people nation wide issue of failure beinthe people nation wide issue of failure beinthe right people nation wide issue of failure beinthe right box people nation wide issue of failure beinthe right box . people nation wide issue of failure beinthe right box . you've eople nation wide issue of failure beinthe right box . you've got e tick the right box. you've got people who happen to move the people who happen to move in the right circles, who happen to, you know , represent the right you know, represent the right kind of aspects of life. are they, you know, some kind of in some group ? are they some kind of group? are they maybe represent maybe they represent a particular box, particular diversity box, etcetera, shimmied etcetera, and they get shimmied up the ladder and they go, yeah, it's toss the it's all right to toss all the eco stuff well. oh, this eco stuff as well. oh, this person planting eco stuff as well. oh, this person gambia planting eco stuff as well. oh, this person gambia . planting eco stuff as well. oh, this person gambia . great.:ing eco stuff as well. oh, this person gambia . great. let's trees in gambia. great. let's give an extra 100 grand give them an extra 100 grand a yeah give them an extra 100 grand a year. meanwhile, you've got people all stems as people who are this all stems as well. say from having people who are this all stems as we winners say from having people who are this all stems as we winners and say from having people who are this all stems as we winners and losersym having people who are this all stems as we winners and losersym sports no winners and losers on sports
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day, giving day, the second we start giving fat the world went fat kids medals, the world went to that's you all to and that's why you lost all of your weight. >> patrick what you wanted a medal. really medal. but i think it's really important actually important that you actually raised what's going on outside london. let's at london. so let's look at manchester, our second city sorry, , it's not you. sorry, birmingham, it's not you. if we look at manchester, for example, the knights are in manchester brilliant man manchester is a brilliant man called lord. he does the called sacha lord. he does the job for free. nightlife in manchester is booming . why is it manchester is booming. why is it that the labour led london mayor can't implement some of the policies of his labour led colleagues up in manchester? >> i'll tell you all he cares about you look at his about and you can look at his twitter for evidence of twitter feed for evidence of this he cares about is this all he cares about is virtue he did virtue signalling. he did a whole commission to get rid of statues that he think don't fit with our diverse community in london, as if getting rid of statues is what people in london actually care about. he talks about pollution, yet he doesn't talk about the fact that he is raising the cost of living for normal people. hard working people in london further and further and further afield. he
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doesn't talk about knife crime. he'd rather pontificate about donald trump and his visit. it is pathetic . he is the worst is pathetic. he is the worst mayor ever, and it's shame on londoners for voting for him. if you're worried the rising you're worried about the rising cost , then wait cost of living, then wait till you find who's government you find out who's in government because done lot more because they've done a lot more than has . than sadiq khan has. >> it's a radical shift for than sadiq khan has. >> it' khan,iical shift for than sadiq khan has. >> it' khan, given 1ift for than sadiq khan has. >> it' khan, given some' than sadiq khan has. >> it' khan, given some of his sadiq khan, given some of his previous a previous work. of course, for a lawyer, rather fruity lawyer, for a rather fruity group google. group that anyone can google. >> unrewarding failure. >> but unrewarding failure. darren, lot of darren, there's been a lot of criticism of boris johnson's honours as rewarding honours list as rewarding failure. do you think that there is problem, as patrick is a broader problem, as patrick is a broader problem, as patrick is that awards and is saying, that awards and honours are given people in honours are given to people in this don't deserve honours are given to people in this absolutely. on't deserve them? absolutely. >> i can give you a >> i mean, if i can give you a personal anecdote, i went through very court case through a very public court case against the electoral commission, a quango in this country elections country that regulates elections and there was failure across the piece. there they were either promoted or moved elsewhere in the service on plum jobs, the civil service on plum jobs, nice gold plated pensions . that nice gold plated pensions. that to me is the ultimate act of reward and failure. and this happens across piece. we're happens across the piece. we're never people from the never sack people from the civil service, even when they've been shown do that
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shown to do wrong. that regulator actually apologised to me. yet no one was. reprimand needed at that moment. so i do think patrick is absolutely right . i mean, sadiq khan spends right. i mean, sadiq khan spends most of his time talking about new plaques , gay plaques, you new plaques, gay plaques, you know, the blue plaques that we've got around london. he wants gay ones. i think benjamin's going to get one. and it's say benjamin might it's going to say benjamin might get one, too. was wrong about everything. and we'll put it outside your house. >> you have a point >> benjamin you have a point about being rewarded about failure being rewarded because that's how liz truss and bofis because that's how liz truss and boris prime boris johnson became prime minister. you know, it's an minister. well you know, it's an interesting one, look for me interesting one, but look for me personally, think personally, i do just think there certain of there are certain cohorts of individuals who managed to fall upwards, whereas is that is that the whole is that the whole pubuc the whole is that the whole public sector is there a broader problem with the whole public sector where it's all very cushy at the top and you get moved from being a quango at a regulator the bbc to being a regulator to the bbc to being a parliamentary to being a permanent a permanent secretary in a government department. >> how do we, the upper echelons , of course, but but how do we change , of course, but but how do we cha benjamin
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, of course, but but how do we chabenjamin i mean, i don't >> benjamin i mean, i don't accept the premise of the comment. >> you know , this constant >> you know, this constant attack on civil servants has coincided perfectly with useless governments that are failing to achieve the things they were elected. take one of these that is used as an excuse, the upper echelons that aren't doing their jobs are the people in the cabinet. for some years now, people like boris johnson, who some you love, who went and some of you love, who went and put up, gave you all put the taxes up, gave you all the and the covid restrictions. and then you some you sit there like he's some libertarian blessing. you sit there like he's some libeltarian blessing. you sit there like he's some libeltarialit)lessing. you sit there like he's some libeltarialit staggering that for >> i find it staggering that for a a lot of a lot of people in a lot of workplaces right they workplaces right now, they are so dnven. workplaces right now, they are so driven . there will be so target driven. there will be a of people watching this a load of people watching this where their job at the end of every basically is dictated every year basically is dictated to by someone, pusher to by someone, some pen pusher who front and it who sits down in front and it goes, did you hit this target? did target? did he hit that target? meanwhile, people meanwhile, you've got people who confront organisations meanwhile, you've got people who co get nt organisations meanwhile, you've got people who co get promoted organisations meanwhile, you've got people who co get promoted orgicertain 1s or get promoted within certain civil service groups or political roles etcetera . who at political roles etcetera. who at the every single year, the end of every single year, if you said what have you achieved? they to say, they would honestly have to say, i've worse. i've made it much worse. >> i just if >> well, may i just say, if you've at form that you you've looked at a form that you have out when you apply you've looked at a form that you hava out when you apply you've looked at a form that you hava job out when you apply you've looked at a form that you hava job in out when you apply
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you've looked at a form that you hava job in the when you apply you've looked at a form that you hava job in the civil| you apply you've looked at a form that you hava job in the civil service,)ly for a job in the civil service, some non—exec jobs at for a job in the civil service, sontops non—exec jobs at for a job in the civil service, sontops of non—exec jobs at for a job in the civil service, sontops of the non—exec jobs at for a job in the civil service, sontops of the department, s at for a job in the civil service, sontops of the department, itat the tops of the department, it is box exercise . you is a box ticking exercise. you are going to find it hard you are going to find it hard if you are going to find it hard if you are you certainly are a white man, you certainly are, because there are absolutely can tick i >> -- >> and yet the majority of senior managers in civil senior managers in the civil service probably white, but service are probably white, but that's because they've been service are probably white, but that's since use they've been service are probably white, but that'ssince use there. been there since they were. >> i'm sure >> you know, i'm just not sure about argument. >> you know, i'm just not sure abo but argument. >> you know, i'm just not sure abobut i argument. >> you know, i'm just not sure abobut i thinkjment. >> you know, i'm just not sure abobut i think more. >> you know, i'm just not sure abobut i think more broadly, how >> but i think more broadly, how is it that we get the right people into the civil service who actually reform the public services so they deliver instead of failure like we've seen with amy lame in london? >> i think could make >> i think you could make a better place work so you better place to work so you wouldn't have to make them sit through a huge of woke through a huge amount of woke diversity training courses and all of this tosh patrick there are. >> even in the civil service, i had a friend that worked in the civil service and you had to take in your own tea and coffee and sugar. all they provided oh, poo. >> but they provided was hot water. you can't have your luxury rider at gb news nato luxury rider at gb news nato luxury riding only blue m&ms. >> tea for coffee people. they certainly do it. >> gb news. i've heard from.
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>> gb news. i've heard from. >> are we going to get good people in the civil service if >> are we going to get good pecdon't| the civil service if >> are we going to get good pecdon't| the 'give service if >> are we going to get good pecdon't| the 'give theme if >> are we going to get good pecdon't| the 'give them tea and we don't even give them tea and coffee? well i've heard from talented servants. coffee? well i've heard from talentthat servants. coffee? well i've heard from talentthat what rvants. coffee? well i've heard from talentthat what isants. coffee? well i've heard from talentthat what is the >> is that what is the frustration you can't frustration is that you can't sack who's useless and sack anyone who's useless and there a of incompr there is a lot of incompr itance. there are a lot of very hard people hard working, intelligent people in do good in there who want to do a good day's then there are day's graft. and then there are just people just so many people who just clock clock out and do clock in, clock out and do nothing. so i think that's the issue. >> i think that's a broader problem with country. problem with the country. >> efficient . we are >> we're very efficient. we are we have got too many we are we have got too many lazy, people . not lazy, self—entitled people. not we are sicknote britain. >> but enough about patrick. >> but enough about patrick. >> that's enough about benjamin ofsted in carver's palaver, emily gives her take on the disapproving stare. do it. >> there we are . ipp. could it >> there we are. ipp. could it be the solution to antisocial behaviour? >> you're with the saturday five live on .
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question, isn't it ? i don't know question, isn't it? i don't know why you're listening to the bbc, though , love. thanks, everyone. though, love. thanks, everyone. who's gotten touch. it's time now our final debate . emily now for our final debate. emily carver is going to discuss whether us brits should bring back the disapproving stay away to combat irksome anti—social behaviour. here we go. emily. >> yes, everyone's seen what i mean. so i like to keep an eye on global news. and one story caught my eye over in hong kong. the public being encouraged the public are being encouraged to disapprovingly at those to stare disapprovingly at those who break the law and smoke in pubuc who break the law and smoke in public spaces. now i don't wish to emulate hong kong in banning cigarettes in public spaces and i certainly don't want to see us emulate the hong kong authorities. but it got me thinking. in this country thinking. people in this country should feel comfortable in should feel more comfortable in letting be known they letting it be known that they disapprove certain behaviour. disapprove of certain behaviour. i'm i'm the only one i'm sure i'm not the only one who's that people can't who's noticed that people can't behave themselves in this country. the year to april country. in the year to april 2023, the police recorded over 1 million antisocial reports . 2023, the police recorded over 1 million antisocial reports. i imagine you can multiply that by
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at least ten to get the real number. so from groups of young men loitering on the streets, smoking weed to teenagers , smoking weed to teenagers, riding around on bicycles, intimidating people to intimidating local people to grown and women blaring grown men and women blaring their music out loud on public transport to people leaving dog poo on the pavement. now, i don't want a return to the curtain twitching of lockdown. we all remember that . but i we all remember that. but i reckon bringing back the glare , reckon bringing back the glare, the disapproving stare might just be a good idea . why just be a good idea. why shouldn't people feel emboldened to show their dissatisfaction with people behaving as if they own the public square ? well, own the public square? well, there you go. what i want to know, patrick, as the husband to be, do you get this disapproving stare at home? >> oh , i live i sit in one >> oh, i live i sit in one constant disapproving stare at work . work. >> yeah, well, it does. no, it does. actually. it does. no, but i actually. i actually do do do agree you. you know, a big agree with you. you know, a big personal bugbear of mine is when people public transport people get on public transport and play music out of their phone without any headphones.
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and that just it's just annoying, right? so i do stare at them. but the difference with them, i will say, is the difference there is if they're children , then i am annoyed and children, then i am annoyed and i will stare. but if they're young adults , i think they might young adults, i think they might stab me. >> why ? >> but why? >> but why? >> but why stare at them? >> but why just stare at them? i was just thinking when you were saying saying that saying when you were saying that monologue, the monologue, when did the disapproving away? disapproving stare ever go away? whenever i people, children disapproving stare ever go away? wiadults' i people, children disapproving stare ever go away? wiadults playing eople, children disapproving stare ever go away? wiadults playing music children disapproving stare ever go away? wiadults playing music onldren disapproving stare ever go away? wiadults playing music on then or adults playing music on the bus or on the tube i tell them to it off or put their to turn it off or put their headphones. you are unique . i am headphones. you are unique. i am very open and you've never been beaten? no, never. maybe it's because black. they're because i'm black. they're scared them scared i'm going to beat them up and think so. i'll be. i and i don't think so. i'll be. i give them give them a give them i give them a disapproving and tell them disapproving stare and tell them to their music off and they to turn their music off and they stop. >> e- e the problem stop. >> the problem with a >> i think the problem with a disapproving is that am disapproving stare is that i am a passive aggressive a very passive aggressive person. yeah, and i will do the disapproving stare. and then they care less. they couldn't care less. and then really wound up. i'm then i get really wound up. i'm like, staring really hard. like, i'm staring really hard. why reacting? why aren't you reacting? >> say don't think why aren't you reacting? >> very say don't think why aren't you reacting? >> very constructive. ion't think why aren't you reacting? >> very constructive. when hink it's very constructive. when i say ing stare, i mean
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say disapprove ing stare, i mean more that we should showing more that we should be showing our dissatisfaction . for our dissatisfaction. so for example, up to the kids example, going up to the kids and saying, you know what? you turn that music down or, you know, getting involved, if you see a bit of petty crime, you know, tell them that that is not on know , make it's just on or, you know, make it's just the is just, you know, the the stare is just, you know, the gateway drug, were , to gateway drug, as it were, to actually trying to get involved and your community. and look after your community. now biggest now i do think the biggest challenge to what i've just said is fear that you could get is the fear that you could get stabbed if you get involved. but at the moment you have people running riot in public spaces and everyone keeps their heads down everyone's too down because everyone's too scared to do about it. scared to do anything about it. but it just it just sort of say this all starts at the home, right? >> so when you kids out and >> so when you see kids out and about, like i saw the other day there on one of these bikes, some guys coming the other way and they drink over him and they lob a drink over him and they lob a drink over him and go around and and then they go around and they're at cars. and then they go around and theer at cars. and then they go around and theyi think at cars. and then they go around and theyi think i at cars. and then they go around and theyi think i think, at cars. and then they go around and theyi think i think, you at cars. and then they go around and theyi think i think, you knows. and i think i think, you know what? you've got bad parents. you've got bad parents. you can't . you were raised badly. >> but this is the thing. should we like parents or
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we all behave like parents or not? some parents get not? because some parents get very, annoyed if a stranger very, very annoyed if a stranger or someone, you know, in the restaurant or on the bus behaves like a parent to their children. yeah people get very about yeah people get very funny about that. think we all that. alvy, do you think we all need to be more parents to bad kids ? kids? >> i think sounds a bit >> i think that sounds a bit nanny ish to me. i think that people's parents as adults actually need to take responsibility for their children. i mean, you read awful statistics about children in primary school. now people in reception going in, not able to not properly toilet trained . not properly toilet trained. they can't turn book pages . you they can't turn book pages. you know, it's like there's this whole mentality that i'm just going to leave it all to the state to fix this problem. and i think we need more personal responsibility. >> diaz ayub a fair bit, hasn't it? think, you it? but i actually think, you know, we on show we've know, we on this show we've covered this misery, covered before this misery, misery that's been on tiktok terrorising the population. i actually think we need to bring back the cane. so that little, little sods like that , you know, little sods like that, you know, face retribution in schools . but
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face retribution in schools. but is it discipline? it's discipline. it's respect. all of these things have been lost from society . society. >> is it also a policing problem and is it a problem that anti—social behaviour has grown as police numbers have fallen? i know that suella braverman has rehired all the police that we sacked during the austerity years, the conservatives years, but the conservatives still did sack a lot of police is. >> the thing is, they don't, >> the thing is, if they don't, if care about police, if they don't care about police, why care us why would they care about us staring after? why would they care about us sta|we'llfter? why would they care about us sta|we'll have to end it there. >> we'll have to end it there. unfortunately conversation >> we'll have to end it there. unfortunate definitely nversation >> we'll have to end it there. unfortunate definitely goneation >> we'll have to end it there. unfortunate definitely gone on,1 could have definitely gone on, but sure you at home agree. but i'm sure you at home agree. it's been a fantastic panel tonight. cheers. very much to everyone on it. and cheers to you watching at home. frank has written in. he says, i always got the stay as a youngster and written in. he says, i always gcalwaystay as a youngster and written in. he says, i always gcalways putas a youngster and written in. he says, i always gcalways put me youngster and written in. he says, i always gcalways put me backgster and written in. he says, i always gcalways put me back on er and written in. he says, i always gcalways put me back on the 1d it always put me back on the straight narrow i was straight and narrow when i was in it's about in the wrong. it's about respecting elders. well, respecting your elders. well, there . next mark there we are. next up, mark dolan. watching . see dolan. cheers for watching. see you week . you next week. >> the temperature's rising . >> the temperature's rising. boxed solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there. i'm jonathan
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vawter here with your latest gb news weather forecast provided by the met office . unseasonably by the met office. unseasonably windy saturday for many of us through today , all due to this through today, all due to this low pressure system . we saw low pressure system. we saw gusts close to 50mph. even in some inland areas of southern england . and those winds will be england. and those winds will be staying with us throughout this evening and overnight. we've also a good number of also seen a good number of thunderstorms throughout day thunderstorms throughout the day as to as well. those will continue to rumble into the evening rumble on into the evening before eventually easing their way but showery way off a touch. but showery outbreaks continuing outbreaks of rain continuing across locations over across many locations over night. the that's in night. the breeze that's in place will mean that our temperatures be dropping temperatures won't be dropping too far all. most of us too far at all. most of us holding around 1213 c. no holding up around 1213 c. no not particularly chilly start to sunday morning. the winds, though, will begin to ease their way across southwestern way down across southwestern areas into england. but areas of wales into england. but it is still to be quite it is still going to be quite breezy sunday for breezy through sunday for eastern coastal up into eastern coastal areas up into central some more central scotland. some more persistent for western persistent rain for western areas of scotland again, areas of scotland and again, some in some thunderstorms possible in the , but in the east, northeast, but in between of the showers between some of the showers elsewhere across england and wales, around 20, wales, seeing highs around 20, 22 c, but still rather cool in
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that breeze that is around the low pressure centre is going to push its way off towards scandinavia into the scandinavia as we move into the start week. start of the new working week. so will be still some so there will be still some outbursts rain. first thing outbursts of rain. first thing on monday for of scotland, on monday for parts of scotland, but ease but they will gradually ease their and most us their way down and most of us will another day of will then enter another day of sunshine and showers . the winds sunshine and showers. the winds noticeably across noticeably lighter across southern areas of the uk, just the breeze still lingering on a touch more across the far northeast. showers as we northeast. further showers as we head the rest of the head throughout the rest of the week . week as well. >> the temperatures rising , boxt >> the temperatures rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on .
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