gb news. >> welcome to the camilla tominey show. lovely to see you this morning. good morning. thank you for joining this morning. good morning. thank you forjoining me. we've thank you for joining me. we've got a fun packed show as ever after the excitement of last week's q and a, we've got a lot to come, so i'm going to be speaking to nigel huddleston, the trade the international trade minister, the uk joins the minister, as the uk joins the trans pacific partnership, i'm going be asking whether going to be asking him whether we've deal. is it we've got a good deal. is it better than our deal with the eu? i'm going to be eu? i'm also going to be speaking mark francois, speaking to mark francois, the tory who's tory backbencher who's written a new report defence new report for the defence select committee alleging that the mod is wasting billions of pounds of a broken pounds because of a broken procurement system. i'm obviously also going to be asking him about ben wallace's resignation defence resignation as defence secretary. you'll also be able to watch my interview with neil coyle, labour mp who was coyle, the labour mp who was suspended from parliament for foul drunk , an abuse

foul mouthed and drunk, an abuse of a junior staffer and the racist abuse of a journalist in one parliament's bars. i one of parliament's bars. i basically talked to him about him 500 days sober and him now being 500 days sober and as i said, with that car crash q&a last week, i was trying to ask moss hussain, who was the laboun ask moss hussain, who was the labour, who's the tory mayoral hopeful who's vying to replace sadiq khan in london, a series of really straight. yes, no answers. and he couldn't really answers. and he couldn't really answer any of them. so let's see if susan hall, who's his main competitor for that role , fares competitor for that role, fares any better? she'll be joining me any better? she'll be joining me a little later in the show. but first of all, it's been quite a busy day, a lot of busy news day, a lot of reflection of ben wallace's future. obviously, in the papers . go through . so let's just go through the headunes . so let's just go through the headlines you now. so here headlines with you now. so here we have front of the sunday we have the front of the sunday telegraph, must have telegraph, new homes must have green schemes . they report green road schemes. they report the sunday times. they're the paper that's landed this bombshell interview with wallace. and the headline is wallace. and the headline is wallace quits and warns of war on three fronts. the observer goes with keir starmer . starmer

goes with keir starmer. starmer tells party we can't spend our way back to power . tells party we can't spend our way back to power. he's trying to distance himself from the old days of labour tax and spend. we have on the front of the mail on sunday quite interesting royal story. george can skip stint in forces. this is based on the suggestion that george doesn't necessarily have to follow his forefathers into the military when he gets older. the sunday express 12 trillion brexit trade boost talking about that trade partnership that i'll be discussing momentarily with nigel huddleston, the sun . on nigel huddleston, the sun. on sunday, prince of wales wills , sunday, prince of wales wills, windsor eco scooter. this is about the prince of wales having an eco scooter. she's apparently front page news these days. and the sunday mirror call the midwife love split . i don't midwife love split. i don't think we need to go into details of that, but what we will be doing is discussing all the details of ben wallace and other stories with i'd like to describe him as a tv legend, because he is. it's john, sergeant for a political editor of the bbc and itn joins me now.

john let's start with the biggest story of the week that isn't actually in today's papers . so i know that you are french aides and former colleagues with huw edwards. i think it's interesting . i was expecting interesting. i was expecting more coverage. what we've got is commentary. what's your reflection on how the sundays have treated a story which at the end of the day was dominating the headlines in the week? >> yes. well, as you say, i mean, for it's a very sad mean, for me, it's a very sad personal story. so whenever i'm looking coverage, i'm looking at the coverage, i'm thinking wonder what thinking and i wonder what hugh is how he is thinking and how is he getting so i'm looking at it getting on. so i'm looking at it from a very personal point of view. so for me, the dismay really is not so much why don't we know more? it's almost could we know more? it's almost could we just calm down a bit? could we just calm down a bit? could we have a bit of a pause? and i'm pleased to say the sunday newspapers in general have not carried out any further investigations. now, this follows the lead taken by the sun , who said we are not going sun, who said we are not going to go into any more allegations

. we're going to hand over the .we're going to hand over the evidence . we've got to the bbc evidence. we've got to the bbc inquiry . and this doesn't mean inquiry. and this doesn't mean to say that you don't eventually want to go over the details and argue about what happened. it's not not a question of, oh, we mustn't talk about these things even mustn't talk about these things ever. it'sjust mustn't talk about these things ever. it's just this is a very difficult moment when the person involved, the main person involved, the main person involved, is suffering from mental health issues and that's what i feel very strongly about i >> -- >> fair enough. and well said . >> fair enough. and well said. let's move on to some of the reportage that is happening . and reportage that is happening. and as is ever the case, there's a huge amount of scrutiny of toryism and the conservative party. i'm calling it tory exodus latest. the idea of ben wallace quitting had been kind of in the aether, but having confirmed it in the sunday times, what's your reaction to that? >> well, i must say i'm surprised. you know, maybe he felt it was coming out and he had to confirm it. but you don't normally have a cabinet minister saying i'm going, but not

straight away. i'll go when there's a reshuffle. and then, by the way, i'm leaving parliament because you're then left as defence secretary in a lame duck position that and you think of his position international obe and he's warning about war on three fronts and the dangers from russia, the dangers from china does seem to be it's almost as if we don't know the full story here. what's what is he thinking ? >> well, 7- >> well, he ? >> well, he cited family difficulties as well, hasn't he, in the past? and he's talked about how being a minister has affected his family life . but as affected his family life. but as you say, he faces the accusation that he's leaving at a time of great importance for our defence strategy. also is he now going to be forcing rishi sunak into this reshuffle sooner than rishi sunak might planned? sunak might have planned? >> i mean, he told >> well, that's i mean, he told rishi apparently we're rishi sunak apparently we're told, in june. okay. so he knew too. somehow it came came out or was beginning to be rumoured about, but they could have brushed that off if, you know, people talking about, you know, will president biden stand again, all that kind of thing.

this happens. it's part of normal political life. but to actually announce it and then not say , oh, by the way, i'm not say, oh, by the way, i'm leaving this afternoon . yeah, leaving this afternoon. yeah, it's unusual . and i must it's very unusual. and i must say, i think this question about his family and talking about his family at this stage again, is, is saying that he regrets putting his job before his family . well, that's very family. well, that's very personal, isn't it? and although it's obviously complicated, he didn't get the nato job. there's this and there's that is he does he think the tories aren't to going win the next election? is he is he another of these people leaving? >> rac the implication of this and i think tim shipman in the sunday times has done this interview, sort of referring to conservatives leaving like rats from a sinking does from a sinking ship. it does have the aura of that. i mean, this is a senior figure that was once touted to be the next prime minister. he goes. he said minister. off he goes. he said he'd rather work in a bar. >> i no, no. that's that's why i think the whole i have feeling think the whole i have a feeling that it's of those stories that it's one of those stories which we're going hear more

which we're going to hear more about may feel in his about that he may feel in his interview covered all interview that he's covered all the grounds. i want to do the grounds. yes, i want to do this. he's covered point this. he's covered the point about constituency going about his constituency going wrong boundary wrong because the boundary changes. seems that he changes. but it seems that he was a there was was offered a there was a possibility of others things which often have five safe seats. >> so he could have gone somewhere else. >> he could have gone somewhere else. course, the problem else. and of course, the problem for sunak that he is a for rishi sunak is that he is a very he's a well respected very he's a very well respected minister. yeah and somebody and experienced because some people are saying, look, this cabinet isn't fit for purpose. >> you to bring in some >> you need to bring in some grey maybe will. now, grey hairs. maybe he will. now, i mean let's see how this it's meant to be a summer reset reshuffle. let's see how it goes. timing, though, goes. the timing, though, john, ahead these by elections. oh, ahead of these by elections. oh, i terrible, it i know. terrible, isn't it? it is. how think the by is. how do you think the by elections are going out? elections are going to pan out? >> i think they're going >> well, i think they're going to very difficult for the to be very difficult for the conservatives. mean, very, conservatives. i mean, very, very indeed. the very difficult indeed. the opinion are saying opinion polls overall are saying that. you that. now, of course, you shouldn't individual shouldn't judge each individual by—election. they're often differences. the general differences. but the general sort of thing, are they ready to have by elections? are they

ready to face the public and the answer must be no. they're not ready. yes. >> let's have a look at some of the strategy on this. we've called it operation gloves off versus operation gag we say versus operation gag on. we say that because there's a story in the times saying tories the sunday times saying tories desperate back. they're desperate to woo back. they're fed where do they start fed up base. where do they start ? they talk inheritance ? they talk about inheritance tax cuts. then at the same time you've got starmer telling his party, we can't spend our way back to power. so it seems as if the conservatives lives are now coming up retail offers. coming up with retail offers. while starmer strategy is to just stay schtum and hope that all of the attention is taken up by the tories imploding, what do you think of those strategies? >> think interesting. >> i think it's interesting. i mean, let's start labour mean, let's start with labour because that's obvious. because in a way that's obvious. they've got as they move they've always got as they move towards they move towards being, they hope to move towards being, they hope to move towards from being so much towards from not being so much the party of opposition, but the government in waiting. now that means much means they've got to be much more careful about the more careful now about the accusation . we know what they're accusation. we know what they're like. they'll promise to put up taxes and they'll spend more . taxes and they'll spend more. that's what labour does now. that's what labour does now.

that's very powerful image that's a very powerful image which some people will go on holding so you can't you can't holding. so you can't you can't win over everybody. but elections , of course, are won in elections, of course, are won in the middle. they're by the middle. they're won by people think, oh , i wonder people who think, oh, i wonder how i would be affected by this. so starmer is quite right so keir starmer is quite right to stress that we were going to make sure that we won't promise this. things we can't deliver. they've got to build up their credibility. this is how, after all, blair won gordon all, tony blair won and gordon brown the past by making brown won in the past by making it clear that they will stick to their rules and all the rest of it. i think on the government's side, so depends on, side, so much depends on, frankly , how confident are they frankly, how confident are they in winning the election . yes. if in winning the election. yes. if they confident , they they were confident, they wouldn't need to talk necessarily about inheritance tax this way . they've tried tax in this way. they've tried this before. george osborne tried it before the 2010 election. and there was a great surge of excitement and it put gordon brown off an immediate election. if you remember. so that was for three years. that sort of meant the election didn't happen because of this .

didn't happen because of this. and then george osborne again went on about this after he was chancellor so they try it on because people just think, oh, great tax cuts. >> but i mean, they do need to provide something that tories can kind of cling on to because i find it funny, they talk in this language of it needs to be a retail offer. well, it just needs to be a conservative policy that might be in danger of actually encouraging people to for them. i mean, john, to vote for them. i mean, john, i slightly desperate, i mean, it's slightly desperate, isn't it? >> well, the trouble is >> well, i think the trouble is they seem to connected they seem to be more connected with with the opinion polls with with what the opinion polls are and what the people are saying and what the people say to various say in answer to various questions focus groups. that questions in focus groups. that isn't way to it. no isn't the way to do it. no i mean, what people want the mean, what people want is the sense belief. they know the sense of belief. they know the way they're going. the only way they the election is by they can win the election is by saying, the direction saying, look, it's the direction of travel. what we're trying to do is we're getting inflation down. we've succeeded yet . down. we've not succeeded yet. but labour ruin it is but don't let labour ruin it is the old cry from elections past. it's still a powerful slogan, but to make sure you build it up

, you've got to be consistent at every level. in saying this is where we're going, this is what we're trying to do. >> be clear about your strategy, john. sergeant, thank you very much for joining john. sergeant, thank you very much forjoining me this much for joining me this morning. lovely to speak to you. now we're delighted to be in wales this week with our people's panel. tom harwood is in . da tom, how are you in cardiff. da tom, how are you getting on? what would the guests on the people's panel like me to ask the ministers that i'm going to be speaking to today ? today? >> but a da camilla here from the restaurant in llandaff in cardiff, it's a beautiful italian restaurant, so i'm delighted to be joined by the general manager, simon and simon. how's business going for you? >> we're doing very well. we are really blessed to be on the land of high street. we be support from the community in the local cathedral. perfect. >> brilliant. well, you so >> brilliant. well, thank you so much having us your much for having us here in your wonderful restaurant. and i'm also being i'm delighted to be joined brilliant gb news joined by two brilliant gb news viewers this morning, both errol andian.

viewers this morning, both errol and ian . and errol, let's start and ian. and errol, let's start with you. are there any local issues here in cardiff that are exercising? >> you sure ? one of the most >> you sure? one of the most topical ones at the moment is stradey park and clinically rugby players know it well. one of the primary hotels, beautiful property, is apparently about to be taken over for purposes of illegal immigrants housing the local community are. if i may say, up in arms and apparently 100 jobs are set to go there. very, very topical, really topical. >> and i suppose that's a story thatis >> and i suppose that's a story that is also reflected right across the united kingdom at the moment. ian any other local issues for you? yes well, we're all waiting for september now because we've got the throughout wales , the 20 mile an hour wales, the 20 mile an hour scheme is going to be brought in by the welsh government in numerous areas and it's going to mean most 30 mile an hour mean that most 30 mile an hour areas where you're going into small towns and villages are going to become 20 miles an hour andifs going to become 20 miles an hour and it's going to cause horrendous problems. >> the government don't seem to see that. they say it's the

obviously to save lives , which obviously to save lives, which has to be a good thing. but has got to be a good thing. but there's other things that come into it and it's going to cause lots of problems for people. and i don't think it isn't realised by the citizens of wales. what's going to happen. they say, oh yeah, september has come in. it's a long way off. we'll sort it out when we come to it. i think people are going to be very, very surprised and the cost of it because the roads are going to have to be with going to have to be marked with 20 mile limits, etcetera , 20 mile limits, etcetera, etcetera. and it cost a lot etcetera. and so it cost a lot and lot money. and a lot of money. >> well, let's move to something more because more broad this morning because of defence secretary, of course the defence secretary, ben wallace, has announced he's standing down at the next reshuffle from the cabinet and at the next election from parliament. errol what do you make of ben wallace? >> i think he's done an absolutely sterling work both within the uk shoring up our entire strategy and of course, more broadly in the ukraine, elsewhere. it's a crying shame that he is not to going be put forward as the nato leader.

very, very sad that he'll step down. >> and ian, a quick word on ben wallace. >> well, i think the it seems that they're trying to shake out everyone who's not right wing , everyone who's not right wing, not left wing , sorry. and they not left wing, sorry. and they just want a load of left wing people left in the government. and anybody who shows anything towards a right wing view, they get pushed out. and i can't understand it. why? >> interesting . well, let's turn >> interesting. well, let's turn to the dpp , the comprehensive to the dpp, the comprehensive and progressive trans—pacific partnership. what a mouthful . partnership. what a mouthful. we've got a new trade deal . we've got a new trade deal. errol, what do you make of it ? errol, what do you make of it? >> it sounds absolutely fantastic . these are the growth fantastic. these are the growth economies of the world. we want to partner with them export economies of the world. we want to pto ner with them export economies of the world. we want to pto import, them export economies of the world. we want to pto import, create export economies of the world. we want to pto import, create new port and to import, create new businesses, new jobs, shore up our economy. canada's part of it . this is all terrific. it's not going to have an immediate overnight but top notch overnight effect, but top notch deal overnight effect, but top notch deal. and of course, looking forward to hearing what are the next deals which are going to be coming down the track. >> a potential question there for nigel huddleston, the trade minister coming on

minister who is coming on in a couple of minutes. ian do you have anything to nigel have anything to ask nigel huddleston the huddleston or any views on the tpp 7 tpp? >> well, i think it's a brilliant move. of course, the remainers saying , well, if remainers are saying, well, if we'd stayed in the eu, we'd have got better trade deals and it's only worth about £2 billion a yeah only worth about £2 billion a year. but that's gradually over the years , 10 or 20 years time, the years, 10 or 20 years time, you've got to look, as they say, softly, softly, catchee monkey , softly, softly, catchee monkey, and you've got to build on it. it's like savings. you start with a small amount and you build it and build it and build it. and that's what we've got to do with trade deals. it's not going to come the day after tomorrow. it's over a period of time and that's where you've got to we were in the eu to look at it. we were in the eu for years or whatever, and for 40 years or whatever, and you know, you've got to look at these the same these trade deals and the same type long term things, i type of way long term things, i suppose. >> the european >> mentioning the european union, also on >> mentioning the european uniyprogram also on >> mentioning the european uniyprogram today, also on >> mentioning the european uniyprogram today, the also on >> mentioning the european uniyprogram today, the chairman the program today, the chairman of the european research group, the erg . do you have any, any the erg. do you have any, any short questions for him? >> quick question . i see that >> quick question. i see that the bill has become an act

essentially at the end of june about the european laws. we know there won't be a bonfire, but is there won't be a bonfire, but is there actually a team that are working on identifying on 80 over basis the laws that we over 20 basis the laws that we should scrap immediately to provide maximum impact in the short term that retained eu law? >> bill, a thorny issue . we've >> bill, a thorny issue. we've run out of time in this section . we'll of course be back after we hear from those ministers. but for now, camilla, back to you . you. >> thank you, cariad , if you'd >> thank you, cariad, if you'd like to apply for the people's panel next week, go to gb news dot com forward slash panel. now, i'm delighted to be joined as tom harwood stated as tom harwood is just stated there nigel huddleston . he's as tom harwood is just stated the|internationaledleston . he's as tom harwood is just stated the|international trade ton . he's the international trade minister. he's also the tory mp for mid worcestershire, sir, minister , i'm glad you can join minister, i'm glad you can join me. thank you very much indeed. now let's start with the cptpp. how will gdp increase as a how much will gdp increase as a result of this trade deal ? result of this trade deal? >> well, it will be considerable because this is an area of the world where there's predicted to be about half of the world's

economic growth over the coming decade. so there's all sorts of forecasts and models out there. but the reality is, let's just focus on the jobs, the economic activity. talking about activity. we're talking about billions of additional billions of pounds of additional economic activity right across the country. it will benefit every nation and region of the uk. and as the panel just mentioned as well, it's not just about where we are now, but where this could go in the future as because we future as well, because we expect the membership of cptpp dpp to expand over the coming years. wouldn't be too years. so i wouldn't be too obsessed the current obsessed with the current numbers. the numbers. this is about the potential growth the uk economy. >> well, we do a number, mr >> well, we do love a number, mr huddleston and obviously it would know a precise would be good to know a precise figure because the criticism has always been that can't always been that we can't replace what had with eu. replace what we had with the eu. that's remainers say . i that's what the remainers say. i mean, they right to say that mean, are they right to say that this equivalent this can't really be equivalent to the trade we had, the to the trade that we had, the free trade we had with the eu? well the eu will continue to be a really important trading partner of the uk and the tca. >> the agreement we've got is actually one of the most robust

free trade agreements on the planet zero tariffs, zero quotas. but what we need to do is focus not just where we historically have traded and where we used to trade a lot, but where the growth opportunities are and also trade deals that are for deals that are fit for the nature our economy , which is nature of our economy, which is particularly focussed, of course nature of our economy, which is pa|services focussed, of course nature of our economy, which is pa|services as:ussed, of course nature of our economy, which is pa|services as well d, of course nature of our economy, which is pa|services as well as)f course nature of our economy, which is pa|services as well as goods se nature of our economy, which is pa|services as well as goods .5 on services as well as goods. and the deals that we and many of the deals that we had when we were in the eu, some of them didn't even mention services 70% of our services which is 70% of our economy. a of these trade economy. so a lot of these trade deals doing now are far deals we're doing now are far more appropriate fit for our more appropriate and fit for our economy. focus on services as well as goods and also in areas of massive economic growth. and of massive economic growth. and of course, we wouldn't have been able to do this deal if we were still members of the european union. we are the first new member of cptpp. we're the first european join cptpp. european country to join cptpp. so quite an achievement . so it's quite an achievement. >> is the point of no >> is this the point of no return then for rejoining the eu? now? we've signed this deal. it's to be very difficult it's going to be very difficult for any administration for any future administration nafion for any future administration nation to start clawing back and rejoining the eu. now we've got these with other these separate deals with other

countries . countries. >> well, we have no no plans to join the european a future government might and it might not be you, mr policy. >> well , well, any, any not be you, mr policy. >> well, well, any, any any government can negotiate its its deals. >> and of course every agreement, every deal is different . so the terms of the different. so the terms of the agreements can often be negotiated. cp p though is an existing club , it's an existing existing club, it's an existing membership club and if you want to join, you have to apply to it and then accept those existing rules. but i would say i think we're a long way away from talking about eu membership . talking about eu membership. certainly not our party policy, ho. 110. >> no. >> but does it make rejoining now? does it make rejoining the eu impossible ? all every trade eu impossible? all every trade deal eu impossible? all every trade deal, literally every trade deal can be negotiated so , so, so can be negotiated so, so, so these all of these things are are for future negotiation. >> but certainly we're very comfortable with cptpp membership. i think the difference is as well, what

we're talking about here is trade deals and that's really important. we're talking about trade we're talking trade deals. we're not talking about a political and economic trade deals. we're not talking about andlitical and economic trade deals. we're not talking about and i:ical and economic trade deals. we're not talking about and i think nd economic trade deals. we're not talking about and i think that'synomic trade deals. we're not talking about and i think that's oi'ieiic trade deals. we're not talking about and i think that's one of union. and i think that's one of the differences which your the big differences which your panel the big differences which your panel, were alluding panel, i think, were alluding to as know, this is not as well. you know, this is not like we're trying like for like we're not trying to the eu with tpp. this to replace the eu with tpp. this is a trading opportunity. this is a trading opportunity. this is not a political union. okay >> let's move on now to your colleague ben wallace's resignation announced today in the sunday times that he's going to step down at the next reshuffle . this is terrible reshuffle. this is terrible timing for the conservative government, isn't it? i mean, we now effectively have a lame duck defence secretary at a time when the threat from russia and china has never been greater. >> you know, ben, better than that. ben will be laser focussed on delivering right up until the last second. >> well, you say that is laser focussed on leaving office is an incredibly talented . incredibly talented. >> no he's he'll be absolutely focussed on doing his job as all ministers are right up until the last minute because it's really important we deliver on the

promises to the british people. he's an incredible talent, but also i respect his decision and other people's decision on both sides of the chamber. by the way, if they decide that actually they want to do something else, is a very something else, this is a very demanding mp. demanding job being an mp. >> well, doesn't he go now demanding job being an mp. >> ilet l, doesn't he go now demanding job being an mp. >> ilet somebody;n't he go now demanding job being an mp. >> ilet somebody else e go now demanding job being an mp. >> ilet somebody else do 0 now demanding job being an mp. >> ilet somebody else do the w job? >> minister and we respect his decision. well i think because he's delivering a very, very well at the moment and of course any ministerial roles are the discretion of prime discretion of the prime minister. i think it's fair and reasonable ben given reasonable that ben has given the notification the prime minister notification that come the next reshuffle, he would he would like to stand down. i think that's perfectly fair for him to make that decision and make that public. but i said, you know, ben, as but as i said, you know, ben, as well i he will be well as i do, he will be absolutely on his job absolutely focussed on his job right until last second right up until the last second because incredibly because he's incredibly a complete and dedicated. >> doesn't it show a complete lack faith the party and lack of faith in the party and the party's future come 2024? to lose somebody as senior as ben wallace . wallace. >> no, you're well aware every

single electoral cycle , all mps single electoral cycle, all mps on both sides of the chamber decide to stand down for a whole variety of reasons. i think in 2010 it was like 150 or something, including i think 100 labour mps. so you know, the cycles happen and mps decide to stand down for a variety of reasons. but no, it doesn't, it doesn't exhibit what you say. >> are you going to win any of these by elections this week? minister we're fighting for every single vote, i can assure you of that. >> and i've been in summerton. that's not a weekend. and actually. and well, i got well , actually. and well, i got well, actually, i got very, very good reception on the doorstep. we've got an excellent candidate. and when engaging with people, when we're engaging with people, they understand their they do understand that their priorities are our priorities. we've about what we've been talking about what we're cost of living we're doing with cost of living challenges and also, challenges and so on, and also, i can you this no i can tell you this no enthusiasm at all for keir starmer or labour and also complete confusion as to what on earth the lib dems stand for and zero awareness of who their leader is. so oh, so you're confident of winning all of them then? strong position as

then? super strong position as well . i'm then? super strong position as well. i'm confident then? super strong position as well . i'm confident about well. i'm confident about winning as many elections every time we stand. it's really important that we fight for every single vote and certainly i say we've got excellent candidates who would make excellent mps and very , very excellent mps and very, very clearly they're the best choice out there. so we're fighting for every single vote and we'll continue to do so right up until the last second. and when are you to scrap inheritance you going to scrap inheritance tax ? these are always decisions tax? these are always decisions for the for the treasury. we always keep those kind of decisions. >> would you like to see that happen? >> no manipulation out there at the moment. well, i certainly get representations from my constituents both ways on this issue. and i know those are the considerations the treasury considerations that the treasury will will be weighing. will be will be weighing. >> your government >> should your government be cutting taxes like cutting taxes for the like inheritance . inheritance tax. >> well, it's an instinct of conservatives to when and where possible, to reduce taxes, and thatis possible, to reduce taxes, and that is certainly a long term goal that is certainly a long term goal. we always have because we

recognise that every time we spend money, there's no such thing as government money. it's the public's money and it's really important that they have as that in their as much of that in their pockets, decide they should pockets, decide how they should there cuts in autumn there be tax cuts in the autumn as conservatives always , you as conservatives are always, you know, , these are issues know, again, these are issues and what would you like options for the treasury? >> would you like to see tax cuts on roads always lead to to the treasury? the the treasury? >> like them to carefully >> i'd like them to carefully consider make balanced consider and make balanced decisions demands decisions based on the demands as well public expenditure. as well for public expenditure. so we need be very, very so we need to be very, very careful in decisions. but careful in these decisions. but my term instinct is my long term instinct is absolutely reduce taxes. that absolutely to reduce taxes. that is one of the things that differentiates the conservatives. we believe in small government and low taxes wherever appropriate , balanced, wherever appropriate, balanced, of course, with good public services. so our instincts are in that direction . in that direction. >> minister, thank you very much indeed for joining >> minister, thank you very much indeed forjoining me this indeed for joining me this morning. now, lots more to come on today's show. in just a minute, i'm going be speaking minute, i'm going to be speaking to francois, the tory mp to mark francois, the tory mp who's written report for to mark francois, the tory mp whc defence n report for to mark francois, the tory mp whc defence select report for to mark francois, the tory mp whc defence select committee the defence select committee alleging mod's broken

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broken procurement system is wasting of taxpayers wasting billions of taxpayers money. that after the news money. all that after the news with polly middlehurst . with polly middlehurst. >> camilla, thank you. good morning to you. well the top story on gb news today, the uk has become the first european country to formally join the indo pacific trade bloc. potential paving the way to £12 trillion worth of global business. business and trade secretary kemi badenoch says the deal will bring british businesses a step closer to selling to a market of 500 million people. but with fewer barriers, some everyday items from within countries such as australia like ugg boots , for australia like ugg boots, for example, could become cheaper for consumers. it's estimated the agreement will come into effect towards the end of 2024. former adviser to the bank of england, dr. roger gould, says the movement strengthens the uk's security alliance . uk's security alliance. >> this is one of the world's

largest trade groups . but of largest trade groups. but of course we're already doing business with 99% of the members andifs business with 99% of the members and it's only going to increase as britain's gross domestic product by less than 1. but but it's nice to join this asia pacific group because it strengthens our ties with the new security alliance with australia and the united states i >> -- >> well, in other news today, the defence secretary, ben wallace, will give up his government position at the next cabinet reshuffle and he won't be standing as an mp at the next general election . that's general election. that's according to today's sunday times newspaper. it comes just days after the prime minister, rishi sunak , rejected comments rishi sunak, rejected comments by mr wallace, which suggested ukraine should show more gratitude for military support. it's been given from the uk and matt goodwin , professor of matt goodwin, professor of politics at the university of kent , says it represents wider kent, says it represents wider problems for the conservative

party . now the problems for the conservative party. now the home problems for the conservative party . now the home secretary party. now the home secretary has published a letter to sir keir starmer claiming a labour staffer met with just stop oil and extinction rebellion operatives in private meetings as suella braverman claimed that internal memos from just stop oil showed mp mbappe morton met with the environmental groups to sell them on how labour is still dnven sell them on how labour is still driven by the environment . driven by the environment. aren't suella braverman called for the sacking of ms morton and for the sacking of ms morton and for all office holders within the party to cut contact with , the party to cut contact with, as she referred to them, extremist groups , military news extremist groups, military news and former soldiers could be joined up to join a reserve force in case of future crises. the sunday telegraph reported it as part of a planned overhaul of the british military, which would reduce the army to its smallest size yet since the napoleonic wars . ministers are napoleonic wars. ministers are expected to defend the proposals part of the long awaited defence command paper , insisting the war

command paper, insisting the war in ukraine shows how uk forces can become more agile. the army currently consists of more than 75,000 personnel with the paper reporting that the government will announce plans to cut it down to 73,000. and that's it. you're up to date on tv online dab+ radio and the tune—in app here with gb news, britain's news . news. channel >> welcome back to the camilla tominey show and thank you for your company this sunday morning . now, just a moment, . now, in just a moment, i'm going speaking mark going to be speaking to mark francois, tory backbencher francois, the tory backbencher who's written a very critical new for the select new report for the select defence select committee, alleging is wasting alleging that the mod is wasting billions pounds of billions of pounds because of a broken procurement system. also he was downing 12 pints a night in parliament while serving as an mp and was banned for a foul

mouth racist rant at a journalist. but labour mp neil coyle is now 500 days sober and you'll be able to hear my candid interview with him later. and after the trouble that the last may oral hopeful got into trying to answer my yes no game questions, mos hussein i'm going to be speaking to his main competitor, susan hall, to found out if she can answer a straight question with a straight answer . now, first of all, i'm joined by mark francois. you've led the inquiry into the defence procurement for the defence select committee . you're also select committee. you're also alleging the mod's alleging that the mod's procurement system broken. procurement system is broken. you're the mp for rally in you're also the mp for rally in wickford and of course you're chair of the european research group, erg mark, thanks for group, the erg mark, thanks for coming in this morning. good morning. good god this report doesn't make for great reading. you're talking about a procurement that is procurement system that is broken . you're talking about the broken. you're talking about the fact are not adequate fact that we are not adequate defended. we've not enough defended. we've not got enough ships, planes and now ships, tanks or planes and now the defence secretary has bailed i >> -- >> yeah, it's not great. so to

put it into context , we spend put it into context, we spend about £50 billion a year on defence and almost half of that is spent either on buying equipment for the armed forces or servicing it while it's in operational service . yes. so we operational service. yes. so we looked at that half of the money that's being spent and we did indeed conclude that it is broken. in fact very quickly from the report, this one sentence summarises it. we have discovered this was after a six month, very detailed inquiry. we have discovered a uk procurement system which is highly bureaucratic, overly stratified , far too ponderous, with an inconsistent approach to safety , very poor accountability and a culture which appears institute averse to individual responsibility. and as a result of that, we go on to conclude we believe the system is now in need of major, comprehensive reform. >> are you saying that this might be a risk to national security ? because obviously security? because obviously

we're facing unprecedented threats from russia and china . i threats from russia and china. i mean, the timing of this report , you would have thought that we'd got our ducks in a row. we're providing all of this weaponry ukraine. and it weaponry to ukraine. and it seems we can't really get seems as if we can't really get our house in order. our own house in order. >> yes, i mean, it is a risk to national security and to national security and also to that allies as there is that of our allies as there is a war in ukraine against altenberg, the very well respected secretary—general of nato, portillo knows nato, who michael portillo knows well , said before christmas, nato, who michael portillo knows well, said before christmas, you know , nato could get drawn into know, nato could get drawn into this conflict. so we might conceivably have to fight at short notice. and for instance , short notice. and for instance, if you look at the army, some of the vehicles, we would have to fight with because of these procurement failures are 40 or 50 or wait for it even 60 years old. we cannot field a full war fighting division, which is a commitment to nato because of these procurement problems, because the system is broken, we can't meet our nato commitments to our athleticism from the left will be about all this.

>> mark. it will be that there's been 30 years, 13 years of tory failure on this. i mean, whose fault is it? is it ben wallace fault? does it go further back than that? i mean, you have been in power for more than a decade. why problems been resolved? >> that's a fair criticism. but for the record, these problems have been for decades. have been there for decades. there procurement there were big procurement problems the problems under labour with the aircraft thing aircraft carriers, with a thing called the nimrod problems. >> you sort of faith in the >> you sort of lose faith in the entire system . entire system. >> is why we've named >> well, that is why we've named we've talked to the report. it is broke and it's time to fix it. so we make 22 quite crunchy recommendations , actions, one of recommendations, actions, one of which chief of which is a sense of urgency and need not to leave it for years, but to fix it now. and to align accountability with responsibility. because what you find is the system is so bureaucratic , like hardly anyone. >> some of the numbers i think there's a killer statistic in this report, isn't there, about how many people are actually working on procurement right. >> so we did some international comparisons. >> so we did some international comparisons . we looked how

comparisons. we looked at how the did it. the french comparisons. we looked at how theit did it. the french comparisons. we looked at how theit and did it. the french comparisons. we looked at how theit and the did it. the french comparisons. we looked at how theit and the israelis the french comparisons. we looked at how theit and the israelis doe french comparisons. we looked at how theit and the israelis do it.'ench do it and the israelis do it. defence equipment and support dns short is main dns for short is our main procurement arm that employs 11,500 people. the israeli equivalent, the department for procurement and production or dop for short, employs 300. so if the israelis can do it with 300 and they do it pretty well, why do we need 11,500 service failure then at the system? well, there are military officers involved in it too , to officers involved in it too, to be fair, that our system is far too sclerotic. it's far too bureaucratic, it's far too stratified. we need to slim the whole thing down. now, there's another imperative, as well as being ready , if we had to, to being ready, if we had to, to fight . and that is the armed fight. and that is the armed forces pay award . 5. very well forces pay award. 5. very well deserved by the armed forces. the chancellor has said there's no new money. that's got to come out of savings in the mod budget. if you wanted to find savings, dns would be a very good place to start. >> start with the procurement. what's your reaction to ben wallace he's

wallace saying that he's stepping mean, stepping down? i mean, the timing is appalling, just timing is appalling, not just because the state. the because of the state. the world is but because these by is in, but because of these by elections around the elections coming around the corner. so many tories corner. why are so many tories jumping ship? >> in on ben, he will be a >> well, in on ben, he will be a loss. been he's been our loss. he's been he's been our longest defence longest serving defence secretary. in living memory. >> i mean, is the prime minister been found wanting mean been found wanting here? i mean there was a bit of argy bargy over his comment amazon over his comment about amazon and you know, he's and the ukraine. you know, he's been this job the head been denied this job as the head of seemingly by joe biden of nato seemingly by joe biden as not supported somebody as sunak not supported somebody who's effectively a boris johnson champion. who's effectively a boris johnsorme ampion. who's effectively a boris johnsorme tell ion. who's effectively a boris johnsorme tell you one thing >> let me tell you one thing about wallace. the about ben wallace. for the record. if he's going right, he'll be missed. ben wallace perhaps soldiers perhaps with the soldiers instinct, saw the instinct, camilla saw the russian invasion coming and he took on the whitehall establishment to make sure that the ukraine has got thousands of in—laws and had time to train to use them effectively in anti—tank ambushes. what that meant, from what we now know of the first 48 hours of the invasion was if they hadn't had those in—laws, the russians would have been kyiv now. so ben

wallace, whether you love him or hate him, helped to save ukraine. that is a fact. yeah. >> so why is he leaving? he's done a really good job. you're claiming? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> he is being touted as a future prime minister and he's jumping ship. so this suggests that the tory ship is sinking. >> well, well, i think it's >> mark well, well, i think it's possible. had history been different, ben wallace could have been prime minister. but anyway , he's not going to be anyway, he's not going to be now. i think he was capable of doing the job. he was very widely respected across the party. >> the prime minister have done more to kind of keep him in line in the sense that we're now talking about reshuffle. talking about a reshuffle. >> into this >> who should come into this cabinet. lots of cabinet. there's lots of criticism back benches criticism from the back benches that a second that this cabinet is a second 11. not up to scratch. who 11. it's not up to scratch. who would you like to see in there? would you like to some grey would you like to see some grey hairs go in and shore up hairs go in and try and shore up this ship? yeah. david this sinking ship? yeah. david davis, is your ids? perhaps. maybe some more maybe you want some more brexiteer the cabinet? >> well, i respect david davis and i don't pretend to and ids, but i don't pretend to be the prime minister, so i'm not going to pretend i'm going

to pick the cabinet. i will say one thing, with that war one thing, though. with that war going whoever going on in ukraine, whoever they post, they put they put in that post, they put in someone who understood hands defence, james defence, someone. well, james heappey, two in the heappey, the number two in the department, he? he would department, isn't he? he would be a very good what we be a very good choice. what we can't do is bring can't afford to do is to bring in secretary who in a defence secretary who doesn't know the difference between a tank and a helicopter, just for tokenistic reasons. between a tank and a helicopter, just for tokenistic reasons . we just for tokenistic reasons. we need someone who actually understands military man understands former military man or doesn't have to be or woman doesn't have to be someone modern. >> she was there briefly , then >> she was there briefly, then she got shuffled out. should she be shuffled back in? >> having been in >> well, perhaps having been in the military would be an advantage. yeah, it just advantage. yeah, but it just needs to be someone that understands defence because you can't afford someone with a war in ukraine to come in cold. >> who would mark francois want in this role? >> not my decision. james >> it's not my decision. james would be good , really close >> it's not my decision. james wcthesez good , really close >> it's not my decision. james wcthese matters,od , really close >> it's not my decision. james wcthese matters, if , really close >> it's not my decision. james wcthese matters, i think. ly close to these matters, i think. i think penny would be very good. i'd knows a lot about it. you just need someone who would who would hit the ground running because of the challenges that we've got . we've got. >> just a couple more questions

on tourism, because, look, you're obviously the chairman of on tourism, because, look, you erg. yviously the chairman of on tourism, because, look, you erg. yv supposea chairman of on tourism, because, look, you erg. yv suppose there'snan of on tourism, because, look, you erg. yv suppose there's this )f the erg. i suppose there's this sense that caucus has sense that that caucus has shrunk and you've been overtaken by the new by the likes of the new conservative and still conservative and you've still got one as what's the got the one nation as what's the state conservatism? i've done state of conservatism? i've done a story in the telegraph. i don't know if you saw it on saturday talking about some of the right wing people in the more right wing people in the more right wing people in the saying to hq, you're the party saying to hq, you're basically many basically selecting too many closet democrat s, we closet liberal democrat s, we need to get back to thatcherism . about these 32 . we talked about these 32 central blue tory seats. central to true blue tory seats. you've got to shore up the right wing of the party, haven't you? because at the moment it's sort of flailing. >> i think the really important thing is that the associations are allowed unfettered to choose the man or woman that they want because they're the troops that have to go out and campaign for you. they're the ones who go out in the rain and deliver the leaflets. i used to be one. i campaigned for my great friend sir amis, back in 1992. sir david amis, back in 1992. i ran ground war, as we would ran his ground war, as we would say. so what i think we need to

stop is the interferer from the centre. you know those phone calls before the calls the night before the selection meeting to association chairmen , oh, we'd be chairmen saying, oh, we'd be ever so handy if so—and—so, who's very well regarded, were to get this seat. we need to stop doing that. to get this seat. we need to st0|d03ing that. to get this seat. we need to st0|do you that. to get this seat. we need to st0|do you think cchq >> do you think cchq historically has chosen many historically has chosen too many red tories . red tories. >> i think it should be. >> i think it should be. >> i think it's a great question. >> well, i think i think it should be down to individual associations to choose, not echr worried about left drift. >> i know you are so you think that these selections for these key because let's key seats because let's be honest, you don't honest, come 2024, you don't know to left out. know who's going to be left out. if there aren't enough righties left. party is no longer the left. the party is no longer the conservative that you conservative party that you joined, is it? >> mean, i still want us >> well, i mean, i still want us to win the general election and that's task we can. that's a task we can. >> what's the likelihood can >> what's the likelihood we can an if we start giving conservatives reason to vote conservative, many conservative, how many how many out you give out of ten chance would you give the of winning the the tories of winning the next general if actually general election if we actually behave we behave like conservatives, we could well . could do quite well. >> but means things like at >> but that means things like at the moment it's looking like

three out of ten, isn't it? >> let's see what happens when three out of ten, isn't it? >> get s see what happens when three out of ten, isn't it? >> get there. nhat happens when three out of ten, isn't it? >> get there. right.appens when three out of ten, isn't it? >> get there. right. letans when three out of ten, isn't it? >> get there. right. let me when we get there. right. let me bnng we get there. right. let me bring michael portillo into this conversation as a former conversation now. as a former defence conversation now. as a former defen going to talk about your we're going to talk about your show just a minute, but show at 11 in just a minute, but can you give your reaction to can you give me your reaction to ben wallace announced resignation? oh, well, disappointed by >> oh, well, i'm disappointed by that. i agree with everything that. i agree with everything that said about that. but that mark said about that. but while ben , let us while we're praising ben, let us remember that he's not been able to do anything about defence procurement more was procurement any more than i was able to anything about able to do anything about defence or even the defence procurement or even the great heseltine. this great michael heseltine. this is this been catastrophe for this has been a catastrophe for decades. the blob, you can decades. and the blob, you can put it that if you like. put it that way if you like. i mean we talked about obe bureaucratisation and over manning people, but manning too many people, but i think it's a basic lack of skill that have the wrong sorts of that we have the wrong sorts of people doing the sort of job defence procurement has been a catastrophe for at least 40 years, but now i would say most of government has it in of government has joined it in being a catastrophe. the nhs is a catastrophe today . high speed a catastrophe today. high speed two a catastrophe . we have two is a catastrophe. we have the wrong sorts of people running government now . they are running government now. they are not skilled, they're not

selected in the right way. well there are people like me. there are people who went to good universities who have lovely manners , who are oleaginous , who manners, who are oleaginous, who know their shakespeare and are completely useless . completely useless. >> so you're talking about your writing and imposing doddie aid appg at oxford. people like me are completely proverbial from my elbow having these jobs. >> what we need are consummate professionals. i mean , we need professionals. i mean, we need people only who have been to harvard business school and, you know, graduated the top 10. know, graduated in the top 10. i mean , got as a prime minister. >> and he's not universal popular with his own party, let alone country. alone with the country. >> it's a step >> no, but i think it's a step forward. and we don't have enough people as civil enough people like that as civil servants. so the contracts are not being written properly. servants. so the contracts are not beirnot'ritten properly. servants. so the contracts are not beirnot being properly. servants. so the contracts are not beirnot being enforced they're not being enforced properly. i mean, it is absolutely disgraceful. see absolutely disgraceful. you see in this ludicrous in nato, we have this ludicrous target spending 2% without in nato, we have this ludicrous targ reference|ding 2% without in nato, we have this ludicrous targ reference t01g 2% without in nato, we have this ludicrous targ reference to how) without in nato, we have this ludicrous targ reference to how welliout in nato, we have this ludicrous targ reference to how well or|t any reference to how well or how badly spent. and mark badly it is spent. and what mark has made clear, i mean, how how how you spend 50 billion and how do you spend 50 billion and end up with about 13 14 end up with about 13 or 14 surface ships? how do you spend

50 billion and end up with an aircraft carrier that's doesn't work. >> that's what viewers and >> that's what we viewers and listeners think with motor vehicles injure the vehicles that injure the soldiers that travel in them without loud with a handful of planes . planes. >> i mean, how is it possible? but nothing will change because as mark's report says, nobody's willing to take personal responsibility . and ministers, responsibility. and ministers, i'm afraid, also are a class of people. it's not just that they're oxbridge, but they are a class of people who do not devote themselves to the subject of how you reform systems. nobody knows how to reform systems. and they and so this will and forever . systems. and they and so this will and forever. it's will go on and on forever. it's very, depressing. very, very depressing. >> problems is that >> one of the problems is that the minister defence the minister for defence procurement, has procurement, who was mike, has day to day oversight of the system, has changed too often since 2016. we've had nine of them. their average tenure has been nine months. so just as a minister gets up to speed and starts to understand what they're supposed to be doing, they're supposed to be doing, they get moved. so one of the recommendations we is that recommendations we make is that a prime minister should keep that post at least

that person in post for at least the bulk of a parliament to give them fighting chance to work them a fighting chance to work out what they're doing. >> this anecdote on gb >> i've told this anecdote on gb news but i was chairing news before, but i was chairing a a secretary of a meeting as a secretary of state for a big it project. the room full consultants room was full of consultants and civil i at one civil servants. i said at one point, who is responsible for this project? and they laughed point, who is responsible for this projethoughtthey laughed point, who is responsible for this projethought laughter|hed point, who is responsible for this projethought laughter was and they thought laughter was the proper response to this question. after minute one question. and after a minute one of servants said, of the civil servants said, well, you it to well, i suppose you it comes to that state. i am. no one was responsive. that was 25 years ago. this the same. ago. this is the same. >> it's more it's too much >> so it's more it's too much buck passing contracting out buck passing and contracting out of government decisions to. >> well, i don't know about contracting out. wouldn't contracting out. i wouldn't necessarily there is. necessarily say that there is. >> i kind of mean that loosely, not literally. >> and this is what mark has found report. found in his report. >> there no accountability. >> there is no accountability. there's a lot buck passing, there's a lot of buck passing, no accountability. will no accountability. no one will ever all that will ever be fired. all that will happen that people be happen is that people will be moved, promoted, in moved, promoted, end up in the house lords, they get house of lords, or they get a golden handshake. >> oh, go off to another department on more money and indeed into a defence procurement contractor. quick question because obviously we

want the show, want to ask you about the show, but quickly, is but really quickly, how bad is it the conservatives? it for the conservatives? obviously what obviously you know, what electoral humiliation looks like. to remind like. are they sorry to remind you they facing you of that, but are they facing some apocalypse come 20, 24? >> yes. well, it's a possibility i >> -- >> dodi a year and a half out. you don't know what's going to happen. and it was very interesting read chris mullins's diary. you know, before 2015, he assumed that labour was going to win. i assume that labour was going to win. none of us thought the tories were going to win. so things do change and a year and a half is relatively a long time. but i do rather agree with mark unless the party gives mark that unless the party gives people to vote people reasons to vote conservative, they're not conservative, then they're not going win. going to win. >> have you got your show? >> well, i've got a marvellous black who's is in black briton who's origin is in africa called tom soledar and he's written a book. this is not america, in which he's saying to try and frame race relations in britain by reference to what's happening in america is ludicrous and wrong. terrific book. absolutely fascinating. we're to going look at mark

rylances latest onstage performance. >> he's brilliant . >> he's brilliant. >> he's brilliant. >> mark rylance. yes. >> mark rylance. yes. >> lefty, of course . but never mind. >> well, we can't hold that against him. he's a great actor. >> great actor. and that's the point. >> a lot of them are darling, and that's the point. >> they tend to be left leaning. >> they tend to be left leaning. >> i've been along to a marvellous exhibition at the national gallery, which i'm going to take you along to as well, the camera is well, because the camera is after impressionism and i'm going be talking taylor going to be talking about taylor swift a swiftie. swift because i'm a swiftie. >> swift. you've >> you love taylor swift. you've got her. got to think about her. >> who hasn't? you do raise the tone here. you really do high brow fare. thank you to both of you. and you to mark for you. and thank you to mark for coming into studio. really coming into the studio. really important subjects we've important subjects that we've been go back important subjects that we've be cardiff, go back important subjects that we've be cardiff, where go back important subjects that we've be cardiff, where i go back important subjects that we've be cardiff, where i believe) back important subjects that we've be cardiff, where i believe tom k to cardiff, where i believe tom harwood is with the people's panel away. tom, can harwood is with the people's panyhear away. tom, can harwood is with the people's panyhear me? away. tom, can harwood is with the people's panyhear me? how y. tom, can harwood is with the people's panyhear me? how y. t

people who studied ppe at oxford or cambridge and errol, you seem to quite agree with that comment. >> well, you know, michael is a most wonderful fellow and i'm sure there are many like him highly educated. but my approach is from the business side is to look at an organisation to say what is the output that we require? a zero based require? adopt a zero based budget approach and say this is what we require . these are there what we require. these are there for the funds. not to say, oh, last year we had x amount, let's add 10. that's bake in add on 10. that's how we bake in inefficiency the cost just inefficiency and the cost just seem spiral out of control. seem to spiral out of control. worst phil not really worst phil we're not really deploying much automation ai deploying much automation and ai across government at all levels to deliver far better services to deliver far better services to every citizen at lower cost. >> so we could run government a lot more like a business rather than, yeah . ian, does that chime than, yeah. ian, does that chime with you? >> oh, absolutely, 100. i think that i met loads of people in my life highly educated people , but life highly educated people, but they don't have the common sense us and you know , the things that us and you know, the things that

ordinary people do in their lives. they don't seem to know anything about it at all, you know, and i think that life skills are much more important in lots of ways than being highly skilled or being at university , etcetera, etcetera. university, etcetera, etcetera. and i think this universally, tony blair started it 50 when i was younger 2% to 3% of people went to university. 80 tony blair changed it to 50% of people going to university. and i don't think that was a particularly good thing. >> you know, to some extent we might seeing that come down might be seeing that come down again these new degree again with these new degree level apprenticeships and all this government level apprenticeships and all this to government level apprenticeships and all this to iiovernment level apprenticeships and all this to i reportednt level apprenticeships and all this to i reported on one trying to do. i reported on one a days ago about a couple of days ago about a space apprenticeship. it sounds very but should very interesting, but should we circle back to cpp ipp because nigel huddleston to extent nigel huddleston to some extent answered points this answered your points on this issue , and he mentioned issue, and he mentioned something interesting about cpp, tpp expanding further. >> i think that the expansion of cpp to the indo—pacific grouping is one that holds a lot of other dimensions . we live in a very dimensions. we live in a very uncertain world. the strategic

grouping of nato and us now joining this collective of growing economies . these, growing economies. these, i think, has to be looked at also against the brics nations and the new members that they are bringing in. and unfortunately, it seems that we are going into a world of two parts more confrontation and it's going to take a lot of statesmen like politicians to rise above that particular competitive edge . particular competitive edge. >> and to some extent, steve ipp can be the sort of bulwark against those brics nations , the against those brics nations, the russias and the chinas of this world. ian, you seem to nod along very fervently when nigel huddleston was saying this is a trade deal, not a politico union. >> yeah, that's very important because i voted to join the eu when the original vote came out because and my wife voted against it and she said it's going to end up a political piece of work rather than a trade deal. and she was 100% right. and that's what it gradually and it ted heath, who brought up who started the eu

deal he never we didn't look behind the curtain we thought it was a genuine thing we got rid of australia new zealand, all companies with countries we deau companies with countries we dealt with for years and years and years. and it was a silly thing to do and we paid the price, i'm afraid, and do you have more faith that the cptpp will not turn out like that ? will not turn out like that? well, i certainly hope so. and you know, that's what it's that's what it's got to happen. and i think people will be more wary now when they've seen what happened eu and i think happened in the eu and i think the citizen , the average citizen the citizen, the average citizen will realise that , you know, will realise that, you know, we've got to stay as a trade deal and stay out of the political of it 100. political side of it 100. >> now, moving to on what mark francois was saying, it was the most extraordinary report . the most extraordinary report. the defence committee has defence select committee has brought about looking in the inefficiencies in our procurement . well, i suppose procurement. well, i suppose that goes back to what you were saying the beginning. huge saying at the beginning. huge inefficiencies saying at the beginning. huge ine'iiciencies saying at the beginning. huge ine'i believey saying at the beginning. huge ine'i believe so. i don't know >> i believe so. i don't know anything specifically about that topic, but that we need a root

and branch. re analysis of how a lot of work is done by government and do we need so many tiers of government . these many tiers of government. these are burning questions. the report that came out this week about our non strategy towards china with respect to china was another appalling strategy that's come out. so government has got a lot of work to do, but they've also got, i believe, actually different to michael portillo. i think they've got the right people in place to do this they need to get this job, but they need to get on it. on with it. >> and a final word to you, ian. the number of people we have on defence procurement compared to the have compared defence procurement compared to th yeah, it's just it's incredible. he's only saying incredible. and he's only saying what lots of people know, you know , i mean the health service know, i mean the health service in trench i personally i've had lots of dealings with the health service recently but the number of people that you to see of people that you have to see to to see the doctor or the to get to see the doctor or the nurse is unbelievable, you know, and there seems to be just too many people. and we all know

that there's a lot of management in the in the health service, for instance, that isn't really required. there's layer after layer after layer of management. well, ian and errol, thank you so much for being our people's panel here in cardiff today . panel here in cardiff today. >> and camilla, with that, i'll hand you. hand back to you. >> i'm so impressed with >> tom. i'm so impressed with your repeated pronunciation of cpt ipp, but as you're in cardiff , i cpt ipp, but as you're in cardiff, i would have liked to have heard you say it in welsh. >> the cpt ipp. i'm not even going to try to try translate. my going to try to try translate. my goodness , don't even try. it my goodness, don't even try. it would have been a lot easier if donald trump hadn't pulled out of the thing. it would just be the tip. ipp. but because america pulled out of it, it had to become the comprehensive and progressive version of the thing. been thing. tom harwood, you've been a done and thank you very >> well done and thank you very much to our people's panel in cardiff. don't that cardiff. don't forget that if you want the people's you want to join the people's panel week, go panel next week, go to gbnews.com slash panel. gbnews.com forward slash panel. now you must stay tuned. i can't stress more because it stress this more because it really fascinating really is a fascinating interview. was drinking interview. he was drinking 12 pints serving as pints a night while serving as an mp in parliament. he was

suspended from commons for suspended from the commons for five drunken, foul five days for drunken, foul mouthed junior mouthed abuse of a junior staffer and for racially abusing a journalist. but labour mp neil coyle has turned his life around and has now gone 500 days sober. you'll be able to hear my interview with him just after the weather. don't go anywhere . the weather. don't go anywhere. that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. we are still holding on to a relatively fresh breeze for many of us through sunday. low pressure is gradually pushing its way northwards from the uk, but there's plenty the uk, but there's still plenty of the chart, of isobars on the chart, particularly for southern areas of scotland down into north east england. see of england. we could see gusts of 40mph throughout day. so 40mph throughout the day. so quite blustery, longer of quite blustery, longer spells of rain for western scotland. elsewhere there'll be some scattered heavy showers around , scattered heavy showers around, thunderstorms perhaps places thunderstorms perhaps in places as well, some flooding as well, some localised flooding across aberdeen is possible, but

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>> welcome back to the camilla tominey show in february last yean tominey show in february last year, the mp neil coyle was suspended from the labour party for racially abusing a british chinese journalist and in a separate incident, engaging in foul mouthed and drunken abuse towards a junior parliamentary

staffer employed by another mp . staffer employed by another mp. he was drinking heavily at the time and after an investigation by the parliament standards commissioner was banned from the house of commons for five days. he has since been readmitted to the labour party and has now gone 500 days sober . i caught up gone 500 days sober. i caught up with him earlier in the week while neil, lovely to speak to you today . look, let's just you today. look, let's just grasp the nettle because obviously you were suspended in march. there was this incident in a parliamentary bar, a probe found that you'd made racist comments towards the journalist and you engaged in foul mouthed and you engaged in foul mouthed and drunken abuse of a parliamentary assistant to another mp. what have you got to say to that journalist, henry dyen say to that journalist, henry dyer, and indeed the parliamentary assistant? well i say sorry again. >> you know , drink had got the >> you know, drink had got the better of me at that point. i'm hugely sorry for being in that situation an you know, being in that mess . i situation an you know, being in that mess. i make no attempt to excuse.i that mess. i make no attempt to excuse. i just say i'm hugely

sorry and, you know, sorry to a much wider audience. you know, i let down the standards we rightly expect of members of parliament. but my constituents deserve better . parliament. but my constituents deserve better. my parliament. but my constituents deserve better . my family deserve better. my family deserve better. my family deserve better. my family deserve better. frankly so i'm i'm ashamed of the situation. i was in with a level of drink. the dependency i had at that point. yeah i'm pleased that that through the complaint, through the action they took , i through the action they took, i was able to get the support i needed to stop drinking altogether. >> did that kind of prove to be a catalyst for you personally? tell me how much were you drinking at that point? how drunk you on that drunk were you on that particular night? drunk were you on that pars0|lar night? drunk were you on that pars0|lar inight of with henry >> so the night of with henry dyenl >> so the night of with henry dyer, i think i'd had a dozen pints. a dozen ? a dozen? yeah. pints. a dozen? a dozen? yeah. >> i mean, was that typical? >> i mean, was that typical? >> well, certainly , yeah. at >> well, certainly, yeah. at that, at that level it was probably about 200. it was over 200 units a week. it was to the point that the medical recommendation was not to stop cold turkey because it would have done more damage to my body to have stopped . than to reduce

to have stopped. than to reduce over time and then stop altogether . and over time and then stop altogether. and as i over time and then stop altogether . and as i say, it's altogether. and as i say, it's shocking . and i knew i wasn't in shocking. and i knew i wasn't in control of the drinking and this was a catalyst for seeking help. i should say that when i initially sought help, i was declined support . it was and it declined support. it was and it was it was it was a big let down because it took a lot to make that call. >> who did you ask for help. >> who did you ask for help. >> so went through the parliamentary system and they said because of the violence and what i now know are called adverse childhood experiences, acas they said, i needed to deal with that before they could support me to stop drinking. and it was only because the speaker and the whips, labour whips and the whips, the labour whips intervened questions intervened and asked questions about that, that they called back look, sorry back and said, look, we're sorry and should be getting help. and you should be getting help. and then stepped and i'm and they then stepped in and i'm really it's really grateful because it's through profession support through the profession support medication , seeing a doctor as medication, seeing a doctor as well as additional support and attending alcoholics anonymous. i go, i still go, you know, all

of that has helped me reach the point i'm at now, which is 500 days. having not had a drink. >> and how do you feel 500 days into this? >> it's amazing. and you know, i have you know , i haven't been have you know, i haven't been this long without alcohol since before i was a teenager. that's the that's the sad truth in the situation. i'm really pleased to have made it now to 500 days. i've lost weight. i've saved money. i get the best sleep of my adult life. i feel a lot better . i'm my adult life. i feel a lot better. i'm much my adult life. i feel a lot better . i'm much better able to better. i'm much better able to deal with things. it wasn't the crutch i thought it was in terms of dealing with stress and other and other nonsense and i'm rebuilding relationships with family, and beyond. so family, friends and beyond. so i feel a huge amount better. do you class yourself as an alcoholic? >> once an alcoholic? always one. >> i'm afraid there are some of us who wondering is, is never going to be one drink. yes >> with the best will in the many and never enough. >> exactly. it's the start of. i'm afraid i'm just one of those

people that if i stop for one pint, it'll turn into ten. and that's that's why i. there's no point me saying i'll have three nights off or you know, i'll set a cap on all the rest of it. it's all nonsense for me. it has to be no . to be no. >> and when you talk about those childhood experiences, do you think they informed how you think they have informed how you were and you became were drinking and how you became a problem drinker? >> it's part it. i mean, it's >> it's part of it. i mean, it's hard to untangle of it, hard to untangle all of it, frankly. and it's all if i'm, you know, it's all a bit new. i'm not the kind of person . and i'm not the kind of person. and i'm not the kind of person. and i encourage i go into schools in the constituency, in schools in bermondsey and say it's especially young you've especially to young men. you've got speak you've got to got to speak out. you've got to talk when you're feeling talk when you're not feeling well, not right. well, you're not feeling right. you the suicide rate. you look at the suicide rate. it's the biggest killer of young men suicide. and it's because we don't talk because we're unable. and there needs to be much more of a focus on supporting, in particular, young men to talk about difficult issues. for me, it was my mum's catastrophic mental health. the change from her being mum to being someone

who could not recognise us and didn't know what day it was. frankly but also it was the violence that then came into our lives way another through lives one way or another through different that had different relationships that had you all of that definitely you know, all of that definitely has effect. can't i can't has an effect. i can't i can't deny that. equally, deny that. but equally, my family big drinkers and family are big drinkers and i think my nan on dad's side was an alcoholic. i think there are others in the family who definitely need to at least try to cut down, if not outright stop. so it's a mixture. i think . i don't think it's one single issue. >> obviously, this happened in a parliamentary bar. do you think westminster has got a booze problem? you're saying you were drinking 12 pints a night. you're an mp. people watching this thinking, goodness this will be thinking, goodness me, excessive. it's me, that's excessive. it's surprising for in your surprising for somebody in your position authority . position of authority. >> there were others >> and there were others drinking more than me and they're still doing it. and i have supported other colleagues to reduce or stop since doing it myself. people approached you since? yeah, when i've spoken out about this, for me, in part it's a personal insurance. this is about me saying, i know i

messed up. i'm really sorry. not just to the individuals, but i'm really sorry because i knew i wasn't in control, but i was really struggling to get back in control and reaching out was a really important step. and i'm glad through that. but there really important step. and i'm glayothers 1rough that. but there really important step. and i'm glayothers wh0|h that. but there really important step. and i'm glayothers who definitely |t there really important step. and i'm glayothers who definitely need'e are others who definitely need to . covid in in are others who definitely need to .covid in in a to be supported. covid in in a similar way or in to stop similar way or in a way to stop some of it is about one really simple thing. i recommend to anyone is the there's a drinkaware app where you can just be honest with yourself. record the units every week because that way you'll get a really true picture of whether where you're at on the spectrum and you want to and whether you might want to take reduce even not take steps to reduce even if not stop now. take steps to reduce even if not st0|momentum . unsurprisingly, >> momentum. unsurprisingly, because fierce critic because you were a fierce critic of jeremy corbyn have said that you be able to stand you shouldn't be able to stand at election as at the next general election as at the next general election as a candidate. a labour candidate. >> that last time. >> they said that last time. >> they said that last time. >> okay. and i mean there's an argument that that what happened in you racist in that bar, you know, racist comments, foul mouthed and drunken whatever comments, foul mouthed and drunke|and whatever comments, foul mouthed and drunke|and indeed whatever comments, foul mouthed and drunke|and indeed diane1atever comments, foul mouthed and drunke|and indeed diane abbott corbyn and indeed diane abbott have done and they're not allowed as labour allowed to sit as labour candidates. well diane's case is

still going through the system. >> let's see, see what that goes . the difference between me and jeremy corbyn is i've said sorry and i mean it. he has never apologised. he's and his comments about the politicisation and weaponisation of anti—semitism is still up. so, you know, he cannot make any serious or genuine claim that he's been apology poetic. it's just garbage and yes, momentum will, of course. and those on the hard left will of course attack me with this. they attack me for swearing when they tried to deselect me last time. i don't doubt they'll use it again. to members here again. and i go to members here and i just look at my track and i just say, look at my track record . look what you know from record. look what you know from day as mp this day one. as mp for this constituency. see my outreach surgeries in the mosques, my work on the most difficult estates . that's where i go. estates. that's where i go. that's where i place my effort in this constituency . and look in this constituency. and look at the people i've brought forward in the local party, including the only muslim hijab wearing councillor in southwark, is someone i got to join the labour party. i knocked her doon labour party. i knocked her door, signed her up and she's

now mayor of borough now deputy mayor of the borough of i'm proud of my of southwark. so i'm proud of my track i hope track record here and i hope that if anyone serious about who represents this community, they look at what wider look at what my wider contribution is. >> on drinking, know the >> and on drinking, i know the mantra one step at mantra of aa is one step at a time . i mean, how do you view time. i mean, how do you view the future? you're hoping, i'm sure, never drink again to sure, to never drink again to continue with this because it's been life changing. >> it has life changing. >> it has been life changing. and i say, i feel so much and as i say, i feel so much better i wouldn't want to better now. i wouldn't want to go drinking. it's for my go back to drinking. it's for my health, relationship, health, my relationship, my daughter family, also daughter and my family, but also for my and i said to the for my job. and i said to the whips, make a condition of giving whip that giving the whip back that i carry on not drinking because that's best the labour party that's best for the labour party and also best for me. and and it's also best for me. and it's whips doing their it's the whips doing their pastoral so pastoral job if you like. so that i will be doing. that is what i will be doing. >> neil coyle, thank you very much for being so candid in this interview. lovely to speak to you. >> thank you. fascinating interview. >> now, now, coming up after the london mayoral hopeful mos hussein struggled to answer some pretty simple questions with me last week. i'll be quizzing his

rival for the tory nomination and the woman hoping to be the first female mayor of london, susan hall. don't go anywhere

britain's news. channel welcome back to the camilla tominey show. >> now, i'm delighted to be joined in the studio by tory london mayoral hopeful susan hall. she's of the hall. she's a member of the london assembly until london assembly and until recently of the recently was leader of the conservatives the london conservatives in the london assembly. susan lovely to see you. lovely to see you. for the

uninitiated, let's just go a little bit over your background because start out as a car because you start out as a car mechanic dad's garage. mechanic in your dad's garage. yep. used to run hair and yep. you used to run a hair and beauty salon. i believe. yep. and now you're in the running to be london mayor. why just give us a potted history of your trajectory to this position . trajectory to this position. >> i've done lots of different things. i've a business for things. i've run a business for well over 30 years, and that would be the hairdressing and the beauty side of things. but when i left school, well, i went into my father's . when i left school, well, i went into my father's. he'd died by then. i went into his garage and i just found it fascinating . i just found it fascinating. when i was young, he used to teach me strip down engines teach me to strip down engines on the lawnmower or whatever , on the lawnmower or whatever, and i just it wasn't the sort of thing that people did then. but i loved it. i loved i loved taking things apart and trying to put them. >> i still like to pop the bonnet a car and bonnet of a car and get involved. you out involved. can you take out a carburettor and all that nonsense? >> not these days. you open the bonnet and you think, oh my god, ineed bonnet and you think, oh my god, i need an electrician. not not a mechanic. really no, things

mechanic. really so no, things have drastically over have changed drastically over the was good fun the years, but it was good fun at the time. >> well, tell me where you stand on car related matters on some car related matters then, obviously then, because obviously we've got apparently got this band coming apparently on by 2030 on diesels and petrols by 2030 we've the spectre of ulez in we've got the spectre of ulez in london where are you on these sorts of green initiatives? >> well, it is a good ambition to do it by 2030. i don't know that we'll get there . as for the that we'll get there. as for the ulez, the ambition, yes, we've got to because we've we see climate change. we've got to do what we can. having said that, there's lots of problems along there's lots of problems along the way with regard to the ulez expansion. his own sadiq khan's own analysis shows that it won't meet virtually any difference at all, but it will deter hard working tax payers in london. it's just nothing but a tax raid on londoners. >> i mean, he makes this point, you know, what about air quality? the argument to you, susan, would be, oh, well, you're just to see people you're just happy to see people die of pollution die because of pollution in london. you know, you're being a luddhe london. you know, you're being a luddite about the advancements that both in

that we need to make, both in i suppose, and hydrogen suppose, electric and hydrogen fuelled equally fuelled cars, but equally to bnng fuelled cars, but equally to bring index you've bring this index down, you've got to have the ulez right ? got to have the ulez right? >> first of all, you don't have to have the ulez expansion. i'd leave the original ulez in place because central london does have an problem, an air quality an air problem, an air quality problem. but if you look at the policies that sadiq is policies that sadiq khan is putting with just take putting in now with just take part lane in that cycle lane yeah. so all that's done is made traffic back up and that that are you an empty cycle lane because you can't win london if you say you're a&e bicycle. no i didn't say that though. i said just take that one as an example. we've got the park next to it all that one has done is made traffic back up. i read a really interesting statistic the other day that for every minute a car is idling, it could fill up 150 balloons worth of fumes. >> i mean, i mean, this is a criticism of ltns low traffic neighbourhoods. absolutely. that you've got people actually spouting out more pollution because they're going over unnecessary humps, also turning around. we've got electricians

and plumbers saying they used to do ten jobs a day in london. now they can only do 4 or 5. what would you do to change that? well, work with the councils where because lots of where they are because lots of the lots of londoners the residents, lots of londoners do want these. do not want these. >> want them out. >> they want them out. >> they want them out. >> will say no more >> but will you say no more ltns? no more ulez expansion. what going to ban ? what else are you going to ban? >> it's not just a case of banning . if you look at the ulez banning. if you look at the ulez expansion, i found £50 million in an environmental fund, if you like, for different councils to bid into to look at if there's little pockets or hotspots, i call them hotspots of air pollution. they could bid into that fund to see if how they can fix that little area. but if you look at the massive area of the ulez expansion, it's ridiculous. it's not needed. and i've knock on doors all the time. you can imagine i'm a politician. people are incense arsed about this . in are incense arsed about this. in 20 something years i've never known to vote for you. >> if you've got the nomination . i ask this because you are quite right wing. is that right to ? and you're a brexiteer,

to say? and you're a brexiteer, are you therefore in tune with londoners who we are quite londoners who we know are quite left leaning and have remained tendencies ? tendencies? >> it's true. i'm a brexiteer on some things. i'm slightly right on, other things i'm not. and the thing is, we've got to find what london has want and we've got to say what we will do to sort out the issues that londoners are concerned about. what are you right wing on then 7 what are you right wing on then ? i'm told i'm right wing about what? because i think it's because i speak my mind. right. and people people from and people certainly people from the , the minute speak the left, the minute you speak your mind, say , oh, you're your mind, they say, oh, you're right wing. actually it's just a label that the left give you. >> but why does sadiq khan say that he'd rather face you than moss? suggests that moss? hussain that suggests that you're of a threat to him. you're less of a threat to him. i it's a double bluff i think it's a double bluff because . because. >> yes, because he knows full well the mistakes well i know all the mistakes he's making . well i know all the mistakes he's making. i try well i know all the mistakes he's making . i try and bring he's making. i try and bring those out the assembly. those out in the assembly. >> the argument from >> but the argument from moss hussain look, you know, hussain side is, look, you know, he's muslim and he's a man of he's a muslim and he's a man of colour and therefore he might

have more of an appeal to the bame community in london than have more of an appeal to the banmightmunity in london than have more of an appeal to the banmight asinity in london than have more of an appeal to the banmight as aty in london than have more of an appeal to the banmight as a kind london than have more of an appeal to the banmight as a kind of1don than have more of an appeal to the banmight as a kind of career. an you might as a kind of career. tory is that fair tory politician. is that a fair assessment ? assessment? >> because at the end the >> no, because at the end of the day, things i really day, one of the things i really want is policing in want to fix is policing in london, that affects london, and that affects everybody. it doesn't matter about your age, your background, what sex you how would you what sex you are. how would you do then? susan right. well, do that then? susan right. well, the first day in city hall, as the first day in city hall, as the mayor, be talking to the mayor, i would be talking to sir mark rowley to with sir mark rowley to discuss with him exactly we're going to sir mark rowley to discuss with himthe|ctly we're going to sir mark rowley to discuss with himthe metropolitan'e going to sir mark rowley to discuss with himthe metropolitan police; to sir mark rowley to discuss with himthe metropolitan police out get the metropolitan police out of special it's of special measures. it's absolutely vital. and how we get rid of the rogue officers that are within the metropolitan police and get them out . and police and get them out. and i was to suella was talking to sir suella braverman last week this braverman last week about this and she's i mean, she would you like to see more stop and search in london? yes i we must in london? yes i would. we must get knives off the get these knives off the streets. absolutely must. streets. we absolutely must. >> and i was also going to ask, how come you haven't got as many backers of as moss hussain? he seems to have these big tory donors and nick, candy and all the of have you got big the rest of it have you got big backers? i paul scully's backers? i see paul scully's come you today in the

come out for you today in the telegraph has would have been a rival he had been selected. rival if he had been selected. yes, right. mean, have yes, that's right. i mean, have you enough support to you got enough support to do this, can do this? this, susan? can you do this? yes. it's a bit of a lost cause. no i'm certainly never a lost cause, camilla. no i'm certainly never a lost cauabsolutely. no i'm certainly never a lost cauabsolutely not. i haven't >> absolutely not. i haven't asked for backing so far. i've relied members relied on grassroots members because been working in because i have been working in the for party well over 25 years. and i've got support there. i have got lots of people that have come up to me and said, if get the nomination, said, if you get the nomination, do and talk me and do come and talk to me and i will. i've done this on a will. but i've done this on a shoestring. i've got friends that me. moss has that are helping me. moss has got a massive and that's a massive and that's got a massive team and that's the difference. got a massive team and that's the >> can you answer straight >> can you answer a straight question with straight answer? question with a straight answer? yes to do my yes right. i'm going to do my yes no game on you then, if yes or no game on you then, if you don't mind. can't wait. >> camilla. you don't mind. can't wait. >> cangoing to use a few >> i'm going to use a few different ones from moss to just make it fairer. now, should the top of tax be top 45% rate of tax be abolished, or no? no. should abolished, yes or no? no. should the government get rid of inheritance tax? yes i'm loving this. this is a straight, straight questions. is england's abortion law too liberal? no are

you pro—choice or pro—life? i should say? are you pro—choice ? should say? are you pro—choice? yes or no? yes. net zero by 2050. yes or no? yes diesel and petrol vehicles banned by 2030. yes or no ? yes or no? >> yes. but with reservations . >> yes. but with reservations. >> yes. but with reservations. >> donald trump for president in 2024. yes or no? no more cycle lanesin 2024. yes or no? no more cycle lanes in london. yes or no . lanes in london. yes or no. >> yes, i know. yes in areas that can accommodate them and no in areas like park lane, like you mentioned. >> can a man get pregnant ? >> can a man get pregnant? >> can a man get pregnant? >> no, of course not. >> a man breastfeed a child? no. should the rwanda plan go ahead? yes. should the uk leave the echr? yes was boris johnson a good. echr? yes was boris johnson a good . pm? quick one? good. pm? quick one? >> in some respects , yes. in >> in some respects, yes. in other respects. >> yes or no ? >> yes or no? >> yes or no? >> yes and no. sorry. prevaricate well, no, it's not

because in fairness, some things have got you've answered straight questions with straight answers. >> i appreciate that. and so does the gb news audience now. i'll be back next week at 930. michael portillo's got a great show coming up at 11. please stay tuned for that and i'll see you week . you next week. >> the temperatures rising, boxed suella proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. live weather on. gb news. >> hello there . i'm jonathan >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. we are still holding to on a relatively fresh breeze for many of us through sunday. low pressure is gradually pushing its way northwards from the but there's still plenty the uk, but there's still plenty of isobars charts, of isobars on the charts, particularly for southern areas of scotland down into north—east england. of england. we could see gusts of 40mph the day. so 40mph throughout the day. so quite blustery longer spells of rain for western scotland. elsewhere and there'll be some scattered heavy showers around , scattered heavy showers around, thunderstorms places thunderstorms perhaps in places as well, some localised flooding across is possible, but across aberdeen is possible, but where you see some of the sunniest spells in between pmqs

climbing highs around 20 to climbing to highs around 20 to 22 c but feeling much cooler underneath that more persistent cloud and rain in the north—west and continue and that will continue throughout night. so quite throughout the night. so quite a wet 24 hours to come here. elsewhere, of those showers wet 24 hours to come here. else ease, of those showers wet 24 hours to come here. else ease off of those showers wet 24 hours to come here. else ease off throughoute showers wet 24 hours to come here. else ease off throughout the owers will ease off throughout the night, allowing clearer night, allowing for some clearer spells develop . and spells to develop. and underneath clearer spells underneath those clearer spells and the winds are much and because the winds are much lighter compared recent lighter compared to recent nights, dip nights, temperatures will dip away more down to around away a bit more down to around 11, 12 c, where you have those clear spells overnight, it means that you'll be greeted by a good amount of sunshine. first thing on morning of us on monday morning and many of us will those sunny will see those sunny spells throughout still throughout the day. still some scattered bubbling scattered showers bubbling up throughout afternoon throughout the afternoon and particularly central eastern south areas england south eastern areas of england could of those turning could see some of those turning quite heavy some quite heavy with some thunderstorm hail in the thunderstorm and hail in the mixture. that mixture. but again, in that sunshine, climbing sunshine, temperatures climbing to 18 to 23 c. some to highs around 18 to 23 c. some longer spells of rain possible for some of us, though, as we head towards tuesday . otherwise, head towards tuesday. otherwise, enjoy your day . by the enjoy your day. by the temperatures rising , boxt solar temperatures rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on gb

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