. britain is now negotiations. britain is now a member of the rather confused named cptpp . so what does this named cptpp. so what does this mean for a post—brexit britain on the world stage? what does this mean for me and you ? then this mean for me and you? then suella braverman says labour has become the political wing of just stop oil. the home seekers calling on the labour leader to sack shadow ministers who've expressed sympathy with just stop oil and extinction rebellion. i want to know should he follow her advice and why has there been a decline in white children going to university ? children going to university? figures from the admissions service show that universities have seen the biggest drop in a decade in white applicants . it's decade in white applicants. it's that says the number of black and asian candidates what and asian candidates grows. what do of that? why do you do you make of that? why do you think is? is that a think that is? is that a problem? send us your thoughts on gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me news. but first, let's me at gb news. but first, let's get the news with polly . get the news with polly. >> emily, thank you. will the top story this hour on gb news,

the uk has become the first european country to formally join the indo—pacific trade bloc, potentially creating access to over £12 trillion worth of global business. the business and trade secretary , business and trade secretary, kemi badenoch says the deal will bnng kemi badenoch says the deal will bring british businesses a step closer to selling to a market of over 500 million people in asia, with fewer barriers . some with fewer barriers. some everyday items from countries within the bloc, for example, such as ofsted million ugg boots, could become cheaper for consumers. it's estimated the agreement, which will come into effect towards the end of 2024, means a great deal for britain. nigel huddleston , international nigel huddleston, international trade minister, told gb news earlier the deal will help to grow the uk economy , talking grow the uk economy, talking about billions of pounds of additional economic activity right across the country. >> it will benefit every nation and region of the uk, not just about where we are now, but where this could go in the future as well, because we expect the membership of cptpp to expand over the coming years.

so i wouldn't be too obsessed with the current numbers . this with the current numbers. this is about the potential growth for uk economy. for the uk economy. >> speaking earlier on, >> well, speaking earlier on, the labour leader sir keir starmer concede the trade deal was good start , but he was a good start, but he said more needed . more is needed. >> any trade deal is good. i wouldn't call this one massive, but it's certainly not a plan for growth and the problem is we've not had a plan for growth for 13 years under this government . we still haven't got government. we still haven't got a plan for growth. so yes, look, a plan for growth. so yes, look, a deal is always a step in a trade deal is always a step in the direction. but this is the right direction. but this is not plan for growth . and it's not a plan for growth. and it's that failure have plan for that failure to have a plan for growth that's left us in the economic mess that we're in. >> in other news today, >> well, in other news today, the home secretary published the home secretary has published a to sir a letter she's written to sir keir starmer claiming a labour staffer with just stop oil staffer met with just stop oil and extinction rebellion activists in private meetings , activists in private meetings, suella braverman claimed that internal memos from just stop oil showed mp jess morton met with the environmental groups to apparently sell them on how labouris apparently sell them on how labour is still driven by the

environment . well, the home environment. well, the home secretary has called for the sacking of ms morton and for all office holders within the to party cut contact with in her words, extremist groups . but sir words, extremist groups. but sir keir has rebuffed the claims, saying none of his team are meeting with just stop oil now the defence secretary, ben wallace, is to give up his government position at the next cabinet reshuffle and not stand as an mp at the next general election. that's according to today's sunday times newspaper. and it comes just days after the prime minister rishi sunak rejected comments by mr wallace, suggesting ukraine should have shown more gratitude for the military support it's received from the uk. matt goodwin, professor of politics at the university of kent, says it represents wider problems for the conservative party . the conservative party. >> this is coming only a few days before those very awkward by elections . for rishi sunak by elections. for rishi sunak it's coming amidst a wider sense in the country that the conservatives are in disarray. we've got 40 conservative standing down in at the next

election. this is a really a seismic for number the conservative party and it all adds to a sense that people are now really concluding that this party is heading for defeat and it's party is heading for defeat and wsfime party is heading for defeat and it's time to do something different . different. >> surgical procedures for more than 8000 children have been cancelled in scotland since 2019, according to the scottish liberal democrats. they're described . the newly released described. the newly released data as a badge of shame for the snp government . they're saying snp government. they're saying many operations were cancelled due to a lack of staff or equipment . due to a lack of staff or equipment. but the due to a lack of staff or equipment . but the scottish equipment. but the scottish government has responded by saying the impact of covid 19 on the normal day to day running of nhs hospitals could not be underestimated . former soldiers underestimated. former soldiers could be called upon to join a reserve force in future crises for the uk. the sunday telegraph today reported it's part of a planned overhaul of the military, which would reduce the british army to its smallest

size since the napoleonic wars. ministers are expected to defend the proposals, part of a long awaited defence command paper , awaited defence command paper, insisting the war in ukraine shows how uk forces can become more agile. the army currently consists of more than 75,000 personnel, with the paper reporting that the government will announce plans to cut it to 73,000. now an update for you on events in brighton . if you're events in brighton. if you're watching gb news yesterday, you'll have seen firefighters were battling a hotel fire there. well, i can tell you they are still getting to grips with that fire in east sussex over 18 hours after it began. high winds today making it even tougher for them to fight the fire. emergency services were called to the royal albion hotel , which to the royal albion hotel, which has been reduced now to virtual burnt out shell in brighton yesterday evening. east sussex fire and rescue service saying no one's been injured , but no one's been injured, but people did have to be evacuated from nearby buildings because of the extremely challenging nature of fire. significant smoke of the fire. significant smoke remains in the area around the

hotel. police have advised pubuc hotel. police have advised public to stay away . now prince public to stay away. now prince george and princess charlotte have joined their parents to watch the men's final today. later on at wimbledon, the prince and princess of wales and their children watching novak djokovic try to win a record equalling eighth wimbledon title currently held by roger federer. the serbian wimbledon champion says spanish world number one carlos alcaraz . it will be carlos alcaraz. it will be a good match. we'll bring you the latest on that as it happens. you're with gb news. now back to . emily >> thank you, polly . so let's >> thank you, polly. so let's get stuck in does britain, does brexit, britain have something to celebrate? the business secretary kemi badenoch has signed off the uk's membership to the comprehensive and progressive agreement for

trans—pacific partnership. that's in new zealand today. trans—pacific partnership. that's in new zealand today . so that's in new zealand today. so as a major indo—pacific trade bloc, this trade deal could gain british business access to a market of 500 million people with fewer barriers on trade. is this enough to put the brexit debate firmly to bed? so joining me now is gb news deputy political editor tom harwood . political editor tom harwood. tom, thank you very much indeed for joining us at the top of the show. can you us bit of show. can you give us a bit of detail on this agreement? what doesit detail on this agreement? what does it mean britain ? does it mean for britain? >> well, this is a fascinating agreement that people might remember something very similarly titled being discussed around a decade ago , the tpp, around a decade ago, the tpp, the trans—pacific partnership. this was a trade area envisaged to sort of bring together a lot of countries in the indo pacific region, almost wokeist against china. it's lots of those countries that border the pacific, but with one notable exception in china. however,

what happened in 2016 was that donald trump pulled the united states out of the tpp as it was . so it reformulated and they stuck to words at the beginning of trans pacific partnership, and it became the comprehensive and it became the comprehensive and progressive trans—pacific partnership with all of those countries still in it. save for the united states so that means members are stretched from japan to canada to vietnam , new to canada to vietnam, new zealand, australia , lots of zealand, australia, lots of those countries, lots of exciting new markets as well. growth economies in that part of the world. and the united kingdom has just signed up last night to become member number 12. this opens a huge, exciting growing market to the united kingdom . it's estimated around kingdom. it's estimated around half of all global growth will come from this grouping of countries in a very exciting region in the coming decade . and region in the coming decade. and the united kingdom is the first non pacific bordering country to get in on this deal. and that

opens some global opportunities , particularly where the united kingdom specialises, which is in service . service. >> liz tom, you sound very enthusiastic about the potential opportunities. what has the political reaction been to this? is there a consensus that that that this is a good thing ? that this is a good thing? >> i think you'll be hard pressed to find someone who would say that it's a bad thing to join an international trade area, especially one that doesn't have sort of a political element attached. the difference between this free trade area and the european union is the european union had all sorts of political union elements to it. you know, flags, presidents , you know, flags, presidents, anthems to many presidents that anyone could name. quite frankly, it's hard pressed to find someone in british politics who says that joining the cptpp is a bad thing. but you will find people who say, yes , fine, find people who say, yes, fine, it's marginally good, but it's not transformatory. and i

suppose that's a legitimate criticism. we're not expecting a step change in economic growth as a result of the united kingdom. joining the cptpp. but what it does do is provide opfions what it does do is provide options for the future and potentially helps the united kingdom sit at a very top table when it comes to international trade. if, for example, in the coming decade, the united states decides to re accede to the cptpp ' decides to re accede to the cptpp , that could be really , cptpp, that could be really, really transformational. that's a way in to a trade deal with the united states. and also it could mean that this trade area in the future is the area that sets global standards for how trade goes. and the united kingdom being at the top table for that. that is a potential excitement for the future. >> and just very quickly, while i've got you , does this add i've got you, does this add another obstacle to those who would like to see britain rejoin the european union ? does this the european union? does this make it that much harder. for

>> yes, there's a reason that no european union member is a member of the cptpp because of the common external tariff . the the common external tariff. the two are incompatible unless the whole eu decides to join the cptpp- whole eu decides to join the cptpp. no individual member can be a member of the cptpp. the united kingdom cannot be simultaneously a member of the eu and the cptpp. if the uk wishes to rejoin the eu , we'd wishes to rejoin the eu, we'd have to leave the cptpp ipp on current terms . current terms. >> fantastic. thank you, tom. i have enjoyed listening to you say cptpp very many times. thank you very much indeed . tom you very much indeed. tom harwood there from cardiff, which is very nice indeed. now i have a fantastic panel with me to react to that , i'm joined by to react to that, i'm joined by political commentator joe phillips another political phillips and another political commentator , webb, commentator, emma webb, also friend show . so, joe, friend of the show. so, joe, shall come to you now? i shall i come to you now? i imagine you were a remainer. >> why imagine that your >> why do you imagine that your politics suggest it ? politics suggest it? >> and i think we have spoken about brexit with ben habib, and you've different you've taken very different sides. does this are you

enthusiastic about this trade deal? >> anybody, even kemi badenoch, could be as enthusiastic as tom. he loves trade . well, i think he loves trade. well, i think he's been practising that tpp ipp is acas, you know, of course it's not a bad thing, but it's not much more than an, you know, it's emblematic pick. it accounts for nought point, nought point 0.8, nought point nought point 0.8, nought point nought 8% of gdp over ten years which is not very much you know. and yes it gives us access to trade on the other side of the world. there are all sorts of questions about what happens if china wants to join it. what happens after the american elections next year ? this as far elections next year? this as far as i understand it, has still got to be ratified and go through the uk parliament. the westminster government, which won't happen until next year. so we may have had an election by the time we get to that point.

so yeah, i mean it's fine, but but not a big deal. so yeah, i mean it's fine, but but not a big deal . well, but it's not a big deal. well, you know, it's when you think of 4% loss of gdp from the government's own figures since brexit against that nought point nought 8% over ten years, it's not going to make a huge difference. >> well i'd be a bit sceptical about those gdp figures because so much has happened in between , least the pandemic, but it , not least the pandemic, but it emma the express . £12 emma the sunday express. £12 trillion brexit trade boost . now trillion brexit trade boost. now that £12 trillion, i think refers to the entire gdp of this indo—pacific area . so perhaps indo—pacific area. so perhaps that's a little bit which we are adding, to which we are adding to, but are you excited about this? does this make the brexit vote worthwhile ? vote worthwhile? >> the brexit vote is worthwhile on principle because we have the ability to strike our own trade deals. and that's that's the fundamental point. so i don't think about that . i don't think it's about that. i don't think it's about that. i don't think this is the greatest think that this is the greatest news in the world, but i think that a of people that there are a lot of people who really underplaying who are really underplaying the importance of this. so, yes, it's only less than 1% gdp.

it's only less than 1% of gdp. that's 1.8 billion over that's about 1.8 billion over ten years. but the reality is that this is a very rare bit of long term thinking from the government, because we know that almost half of the world's middle class will be in that region by 2035. we are looking forward to the future, knowing that the indo—pacific is going to be the area of the most growth that is where the future is happening. that is that is the most important place for us to be focusing our geopolitical strategy towards. and so this is a very important step in that direction. so this is not this is not to do with the eu. i know some people think that everything is to do with the eu. this is not even just to do with economics is to economics or trade. this is to do and in that do with geopolitics. and in that sense, very exciting and sense, this is very exciting and it's a very important step towards future what this towards the future for what this country is going to be over. we're not even talking about the next ten years. we're talking about the next 100, 200 years. >> now, can we? but badenoch did admit morning that the admit this morning that the chance of a us free trade deal

are looking pretty slim. what do you make of that ? you make of that? >> well, i mean, you know, so much depends on what happens in america . you know, they're america. you know, they're coming into an election year, aren't they? so i think it depends if we end up with donald trump republican trump or another republican in the white house who knows, you know, if joe biden stays on, is he going to have a look at this and join? i mean, i hear what emma says and she's absolutely right. it is about geopolitics . right. it is about geopolitics. it's not just about europe and about things. but there is something slightly bonkers, frankly, doing something frankly, about doing something over there as a trade deal on the other side of the world. >> when you've blown so much stuff from china. well, one doesn't exclude the other. >> it does. as tom's just >> well, it does. as tom's just said, it does it because said, it does exclude it because if to exclude if we wanted to exclude rejoining . rejoining. >> yes. >> yes. so >> yes. so it >> yes. so it excludes >> yes. so it excludes having >> yes. so it excludes us having that sort of trading relationship. mean, you know, relationship. i mean, you know, and is that we and the other point is that we were involved in trade were already involved in trade deals with most of the countries that are in that bloc anyway. australia and new zealand happened after

happened immediately after brexit. so there's only two belize else that belize and somewhere else that have come in so i think, have come in today. so i think, you although it's hailed you know, although it's hailed as something super duper exciting, ain't all that. exciting, it ain't all that. >> is the cynic. just very >> joe is the cynic. just very quickly, you think quickly, emma, do you think president quite president biden is quite enjoying punishing us by for leaving by leaving the european union by not embarking some kind of not embarking on some kind of trade deal? >> he's irish, isn't he? >> well, he's irish, isn't he? i think are lots of reasons think there are lots of reasons why the us are dragging their feet maybe on this. i don't think that there's any current sort of a immediate chance of them joining the pacific the same way as i think there's very, very low chance of china joining it. but the important thing is that this geopolitically coming after the aukus pact as well, this is also about security primarily as well. so even though the states isn't part this trade isn't part of this trade agreement, are still in agreement, they are still in close orbit with this trade agreement because of their own geopolitical concerns and also because of that aukus pact, because of that aukus pact, because members of because the other members of that part of the tpp, that pact are part of the tpp, or i can't say this. batus tom harwood. >> oh, i'm sorry. i'm going to

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elsewhere, thunderstorm and elsewhere, the thunderstorm and heavy we have seen will heavy showers we have seen will slowly their way out slowly be easing their way out and underneath those and underneath some of those clearer , temperatures will clearer skies, temperatures will just drop to around 11, just drop down to around 11, 12 c. overnight might drop into single figures in some rural spots as well . does that mean spots as well. does that mean that we'll see a decent amount of sunshine first thing on monday morning ? but we will then monday morning? but we will then see those scattered showers developing again head developing once again as we head throughout particularly throughout the day, particularly for eastern central, south eastern areas england . some eastern areas of england. some of be quite heavy in of those could be quite heavy in nature maybe some nature, maybe with some thunderstorms and some thunderstorms again. and some hail also. but there hail possible also. but there will some sunshine in between will be some sunshine in between those showers. and those scattered showers. and with winds lighter compared to the it will feel the weekend, it will just feel that warmer. temperatures . that bit warmer. temperatures. ranging between 18 and 23 c for tuesday, though , we have to tuesday, though, we have to watch as our next low pressure centre is going to push its way in turning in from the west. so turning quite damp first thing on tuesday morning northern tuesday morning for northern ireland. rain will then ireland. and that rain will then steadily progress its way into parts wales, parts of northern wales, northern england scotland northern england and scotland later south—east, later on the far south—east, generally staying drier. but there still chance

there is still the chance of further we do head further showers as we do head towards the rest of week by towards the rest of the week by by that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers >> proud sponsors of weather on gb news thank you very much, jonathan, for the weather report. >> we've got lots more coming up on today's show. over1 million pubuc on today's show. over1 million public sector workers have been offered to bring an offered pay rises to bring an end to the ongoing strike action. doctors are still threatening strikes, but the government final government say it's their final offer . keir government say it's their final offer. keir starmer is dodged the failing to answer the issue failing to answer whether he'd boost pay further. we've that more we've got all of that and more to emily carver and to come. i'm emily carver and you're gb news, you're watching gb news, britain's news

listening to gb news radio. >> welcome back to gb news sunday with me, emily carver on your tv online and radio. now lots of you have been getting in touch on the cpt ipp trade deal after tom harwood very enthusiastic analysis of what it

looks like, mike says this is a win for brexiteers. we finally have something to show for splitting up with the european union and we hope it brings benefits to britain. there we go. rose tinted glasses there. jess says. like kemi badenoch says, we have to make the most of this opportunity. these of this new opportunity. these sorts are few and far sorts of deals are few and far between and greg, what does he have to say? he says japan has done well to get britain to sign this. they've been lobbying for done well to get britain to sign tichange"ve been lobbying for done well to get britain to sign tichange ine been lobbying for done well to get britain to sign tichange in thinking bbying for done well to get britain to sign tichange in thinking towards or done well to get britain to sign tichange in thinking towards the a change in thinking towards the indo—pacific and fought indo—pacific region and fought for least they for this alliance, at least they appreciate unlike the appreciate the uk, unlike the european union. well a range of views there, but mostly enthusiastic for this trade deal enthusiastic for this trade deal. it does seem to be a good one.joe deal. it does seem to be a good one. joe phillips is having a giggle there. please do keep your views coming in. subscribe to youtube channel while to our youtube channel while you're follow us on you're at it and follow us on twitter at gb news. so moving on to one of the biggest stories of the week, millions of public sector prison sector workers from prison officers teachers have been officers to teachers have been offered pay rises of between 5 and 7% as rishi sunak seeks to head off further strike action. it does seem to be working to an

extent. education unions have already suspended further strikes and will recommend their members accept the offer . keir members accept the offer. keir starmer failed to answer starmer has failed to answer whether he'd boost pay further to stop the doctors striking yet again. they still aren't pleased with the pay offer. they want restoration, which means 35% increase. but are these pay rises across the board affordable ? and what cuts could affordable? and what cuts could we see to pay for them? so joining me now is director and co—founder of regionally, justin urquhart—stewart. thank you very much indeed . my pleasure for much indeed. my pleasure for joining us on the sofa this afternoon. so 6% is the average that seems to be the offer. now, this was what the independent pay this was what the independent pay review body suggested . do pay review body suggested. do you think that's a reasonable offer ? that's what john glenn, offer? that's what john glenn, the secretary to the treasury, has said . has said. >> yeah, well, but actually, the whole idea of having an independent group try to set it was idea was it's was the idea was it's independent. it's not the government trying to force it. it's trade unionist. you it's not a trade unionist. you got who are got a group of people who are sitting trying to say what sitting there trying to say what would be the fair result. the

trouble course, whilst trouble is, of course, whilst you levels inflation you saw high levels of inflation and that a relatively short term people will get drawn towards that, then you've also got, say, the doctors going back over the years saying, actually, i'm poorer that can't poorer because of that can't be fixed . what you fixed immediately. what you should right , fixed immediately. what you should right, we're should be saying is right, we're going the pay commission going to get the pay commission to what the pay levels to look at what the pay levels should be a period of should be over a period of years. and that years. and if that means actually putting back actually then putting them back not 30, but a higher level, not 30, but to a higher level, do it over time. we can't do it in one go right now. we haven't got we haven't been got the money. we haven't been told is coming told where the money is coming from anyway. >> you're economic >> now, you're an economic expert. has been a expert. there has been quite a lot disagreeing whether lot of disagreeing over whether pay lot of disagreeing over whether pay rises in the public sector. can be inflationary. the government says yes, that's why we have to have some restraint. other economists say no, this is simply a reaction to the inflation we're already seeing. where do you lie? >> it is a reaction . but will it >> it is a reaction. but will it have an impact into inflation? the answer is yes, it will. anything if you're putting the pnces anything if you're putting the prices will will feed prices up, will will feed through to it. one of the issues we've try and do with

we've got to try and do with this is have to tackle inflation, not the we're inflation, but not the way we're seeing the moment from the seeing at the moment from the bank putting bank of england by putting interest putting interest rates up, putting interest rates up, putting interest normally interest rates up as normally used to, actually as a mechanism to down inflation. to try and slow down inflation. if a consumer if there's a consumer boom, what boom , there isn't one. and so boom, there isn't one. and so actually , the trouble with the actually, the trouble with the bank of england, they've it's a bit like a man who owns owns a hammer. everything looks like a nail. and so this nail, therefore, is putting up interest rates that won't help the diagnose of the the wrong diagnose of the problem the bank of england problem by the bank of england and the wrong medicine. >> bring in my panel. >> let me bring in my panel. joe, would you agree with that assessment? joe, would you agree with that ass well, ent? joe, would you agree with that ass well, it? joe, would you agree with that asswell, i perhaps wouldn't be >> well, i perhaps wouldn't be so on bank of england, >> well, i perhaps wouldn't be so i'm on bank of england, >> well, i perhaps wouldn't be so i'm not bank of england, >> well, i perhaps wouldn't be so i'm not an bank of england, >> well, i perhaps wouldn't be so i'm not an economist ngland, >> well, i perhaps wouldn't be so i'm not an economist .gland, >> well, i perhaps wouldn't be so i'm not an economist. iland, but i'm not an economist. i mean, think, you know, it is mean, i think, you know, it is good that the independent pay review body have come with a figure that is more than obviously the government was hoping. the government have handled this industrial strife incredibly badly because first of all, they said, well, we can't sit and talk to the nurses, whoever , whoever, nurses, whoever, whoever, whoever, because we need to go with what the independent pay

review body comes up with. then they said , sounds like it's they said, sounds like it's going to be 6. we can't afford that. going to be 6. we can't afford that . they've had these figures that. they've had these figures knocking around for some time, so they could have started talks earlier. we've got the earlier. so we've got the teachers unions saying, yes , teachers unions saying, yes, probably this is okay. and we have been told by the government that it will not come out of school budgets . i mean, the real school budgets. i mean, the real problem think the nitty problem and i think the nitty gritty this and this is where gritty of this and this is where the government will play nana nasty, pitting people against each other, that if you want to pay each other, that if you want to pay these more , well, pay these people more, well, you're going to get cuts to this, that or the other, which may or may not be vital services. and you know, the truth matter is, emily, truth of the matter is, emily, they hs2, for they could stop hs2, for instance , that has just instance, that has just swallowed . well, yes, billions. swallowed. well, yes, billions. >> that is very true. we can all point to government. >> there's all the government waste on covid, the absolute failure to get any of the fraudulent taken money back . fraudulent taken money back. there's money being squandered on all sorts of ridiculous.

>> absolutely is emma, do you think, though, that the bma this is the doctors union need to get real? >> yes . >> yes. >> yes. >> go on. tell me why they want 35. >> that's outrageous . it's not >> that's outrageous. it's not going to happen. it's and when we're talking about the independent recommendations, you are talking about questions of fairness, because this is coming from the public purse and so the government's say and, you know, caveat not economist, so caveat, i'm not an economist, so i understand , you i don't really understand, you know, interest rates know, inflation, interest rates and the knock on effects of those things. government those things. but the government say that they're going to do this through efficiencies, not necessarily from taking they will have to reorganise and rejig their own budgets to make this work. but you can only do that so far . and this is this is that so far. and this is this is coming at a time when yes, of course, the argument that the unions is these people unions make is that these people are suffering from cost of are suffering from the cost of living crisis. but of course, all are suffering from all taxpayers are suffering from the and the cost of living crisis. and so have to think about how so you have to think about how you pubuc so you have to think about how you public money carefully. you use public money carefully. and course, everybody would you use public money carefully. and nurses, ;e, everybody would you use public money carefully. and nurses, doctors, body would you use public money carefully. and nurses, doctors, police 'ould like nurses, doctors, police officers as to be paid more,

particularly the frontline staff in the nhs of course, everyone wants them to be paid more, but you have to do it in a way that is reasonable and responsible because you're dealing with and when public money, what when we say public money, what we money, money. we mean is our money, our money. >> justin to wrap things >> we do. justin to wrap things up the politics this , up and the politics of this, keir starmer, sitting on keir starmer, he's sitting on the fence a little. he won't say whether he'd boost pay further. is that just sensible politics or are there going to be a lot of very disappointed public sector come the next election? >> he's playing for time. why? because wednesday you're because this wednesday you're going the factory output going to see the factory output inflation figures and they're going to come down quite dramatically. i think suddenly seeing like 3 to 4, seeing figures like 3 to 4, something like fingers crossed, that's full inflation, that's not the full inflation, but that's the factory output. that's if that's a very good sign. so if you kick this ball further you can kick this ball further along, of an along, then it's less of an issue because people are asking them but them for a high wage rise. but actually inflation has come down. then it's the making life a for him. but so a bit easier for him. but so he's he's fighting next year's election and he's playing politics. >> em- e which is what you >> absolutely. which is what you would from leader of

would expect from a leader of the he? he's the opposition, isn't he? he's playing and you can't it playing safe and you can't it would be foolish for him to say, oh , i'm going guarantee x% to oh, i'm going to guarantee x% to every public. >> i mean, he can't because he doesn't know what the it is. >> very annoying indeed, because it's not only that, you know, you've toing and you've had a lot of toing and froing over ico related policies, green policies policies, green related policies to and i'm sure there are many other examples. please do write in me have another in to me if you have another example at home. i always like to so moving on. well i'm to hear so moving on. well i'm sorry you are watching and listening to gb news sunday. let me know what you think about that discussion on public sector pay- that discussion on public sector pay. do you think the bma need to like emma webb to get real like emma webb thinks? let me know. we've got lots more coming up on today's show. defence show. ben wallace defence secretary, will secretary, has announced he will resign comes after resign in. this comes after president blocked from president biden blocked him from the nato job after this the top nato job after this week's nato summit. questions still loom ukraine's still loom over ukraine's membership . we'll get stuck into membership. we'll get stuck into whether military alliance is whether the military alliance is broken and should ukraine be a part of but first, let's get part of it. but first, let's get the news polly .

the news with polly. >> emily, thank you. the top stories this hour on gb news. the uk has become the first european country to formally join the indo—pacific trade bloc, potentially creating access to £12 trillion worth of global business. well the business and trade secretary, kemi badenoch, who's in auckland in new zealand for the signing, says the deal will bring british businesses a step closer to selling to a market of 500 million plus people in asia with fewer barriers, some every day items from countries within the bloc , such as australian ugg bloc, such as australian ugg boots, for example , could become boots, for example, could become cheaper for consumers . it's cheaper for consumers. it's estimated the agreement will come into effect towards the end of year . also come into effect towards the end of year. also in come into effect towards the end of year . also in the news of next year. also in the news today , the home secretary has today, the home secretary has published a letter to sir keir starmer claiming a labour staffer met with just stop oil and extinction rebellion activists in private meetings , activists in private meetings, suella braverman claimed that internal memos from just stop

oil showed that the mp jess morton, met with the environmental groups to sell them on how labour is still dnven them on how labour is still driven by the environment. well the home secretary has called for the sacking of ms morton and for the sacking of ms morton and for all office holders within the to party cut contact with, in her words , extremist group. in her words, extremist group. sir keir starmer , though, has sir keir starmer, though, has rebuffed the claims, saying none of his team have met with just stop oil and firefighters are still battling a hotel fire in east sussex over 18 hours after it began with high winds today making it even tougher for firefighters . the emergency firefighters. the emergency services were called to the seafront royal albion hotel in brighton, which has been reduced to a burnt out shell. yesterday evening , the east sussex fire evening, the east sussex fire and rescue service say no one's been injured, but people have had to be evacuated from nearby buildings. significant smoke remains in the area around the hotel and police have advised the public to stay away. those and more stories head to our website, gbnews.com .

>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. tv, online and digital radio. >> later on in the show, we are going to be discussing suella braverman letter, spikey letter to keir starmer emma about their connections with just stop oil as she sees it. she thinks that the labour party are the political wing of just stop oil let me know what you think on that one. but first, yesterday evening , ben wallace announced that one. but first, yesterday evewould ben wallace announced that one. but first, yesterday evewould step wallace announced that one. but first, yesterday evewould step down :e announced that one. but first, yesterday evewould step down asannounced that one. but first, yesterday evewould step down as defencezd he would step down as defence secretary at the reshuffle secretary at the next reshuffle and resign as an mp at the next election. this followed a turbulent week for nato as its members continued to squabble over the of ukraine's over the timing of ukraine's accession alliance and accession to the alliance and some states saying ukraine ought to be a little bit more thankful to be a little bit more thankful to the west. former prime minister johnson has used minister boris johnson has used his weekly column , if you his weekly column, if you haven't read it already, call haven't read it already, to call on to accept ukraine

on the west to accept ukraine into nato sooner rather into the nato fold sooner rather than later. so i've got a few questions. would this be the right move? does ukraine belong in nato? would a move make in nato? would such a move make us safer? and do you have faith in nato as a military alliance? so joining me to debate this is the director of world rights , the director of world rights, kerry dingle, and the defence editor at the london evening standard , robert fox. robert, standard, robert fox. robert, i'll start with you. nato there's been quite a lot of contention over it over the years. we saw at the summit many calls for ukraine to join the bloc. do you think that should be an aspiration for the current members ? members? >> yes, it's an aspiration and you're quite right to use that word . it's the terms and the word. it's the terms and the timing at which ukraine should join. we got a little closer to it at vilnius as to saying when it at vilnius as to saying when it should join, but i thought it was probably too slow and too ambiguous and it looked a bit

like i quoted the great yogi berra , the baseball coach of berra, the baseball coach of deja vu all over again , because deja vu all over again, because in 2008 at bucharest in april, the aspiration mission of georgia, ukraine and moldova to join the alliance was spelt. it was supported by david miliband , then the foreign secretary, and the george w bush administ nation. but the terms under which it would happen and the terms under which ukraine could join were not spelled out. that proved disastrous because it pushed even further. russia to react. and there was war in georgia within three months. >> kerry what are your reservations about about this military alliance ? s hi, emily. military alliance? s hi, emily. >> well, i think nato is a sclerotic cold war institution that really we do have to ask, especially this week , what's its

especially this week, what's its purpose ? you know, if nato is purpose? you know, if nato is about protecting borders and national sovereignty and nation states , what's it doing? ukraine states, what's it doing? ukraine then certainly doesn't need promises. we know it needs weapons to win . and you have to weapons to win. and you have to ask , you know, what is nato ask, you know, what is nato really about? it would seem that for a lot of countries , nato is for a lot of countries, nato is a way of contracting out responsibility for standing up for national sovereignty. meanwhile the ukrainians are doing the dying while nato does the pontification and i do not see what purpose or function it serves . serves. >> robert, would you agree with kerry that it may have lost some of its sense of purpose? it may not be as worthwhile all as some might say . what's your take on might say. what's your take on that ? that? >> conditions have always been

critical, and a lot of the criticism, frankly, has been levelled by nato members . i levelled by nato members. i agree that nato had to redesign itself. and as to whether it really did have a future after 1989, it was a defensive alliance with a particular task when it began in 1949 in and we've got the 75th anniversary, three next year and it was to defend the north atlantic european area of allies against a growing perceived threat from the soviet union and its allies, which eventually became the warsaw pact. now, once the wall came down and that was over, was this really needed? yes, there was outreach to russia, but it was outreach to russia, but it was decided that nato was needed because it's a mutual agreement . it is actually there for the defence of national sovereignty . yes, it does seem very unwieldy at times, and i've been foremost amongst critics about the way it has done business. but it is the way you do the

kind of business and the way say that arms have been provided by these powers as much as they possibly can. and a lot of us have been caught out with how short our armaments and our ammunition stocks have been , but ammunition stocks have been, but it has gone through the nato clearing house at ramstein, for example , you have the collection example, you have the collection and coordination of the weaponry that goes forward . and a lot of that goes forward. and a lot of the advice and training for the ukrainians is managed principally by four powers. the us , the uk, germany and france. us, the uk, germany and france. now, without the nato mechanism and structure , it would be very, and structure, it would be very, very difficult for individual countries to operate on their own. and the idea that my colleague has given that we're giving minimal support to ukraine is actually, frankly, if i may say so, complete nonsense . it's quite what is worrying at the moment for somebody like me is that they have not given quite in the right place the right kind of weaponry , but

right kind of weaponry, but they've given a hell of a lot and they've provided the training and wherewithal. it's not necessarily a recipe for success, but the kind of things that have been delivered. i mean, things that have been delivered particularly on the initiative. that he's initiative. now that he's leaving, credit initiative. now that he's leavin it's credit initiative. now that he's leavin it's due credit initiative. now that he's leavin it's due at credit initiative. now that he's leavin it's due at the credit initiative. now that he's leavin it's due at the initiative where it's due at the initiative of ben wallace for example, really did help save the day. it is a cooperative effort . there is a cooperative effort. there are frictions . but the are frictions. but the interesting thing about ukraine is the train has left the station. this is the message for putin and his allies, ukraine is joining the west. how you bind it into the west now is a big question. but i have no doubt that ukraine must join nato. and it will be a very worthy partner of it. well, there you go , kerry. >> one of my quibbles about nato is that we spend so much money on defence spending and other countries don't pay their way as much. is that something you're concerned about? what would you replace nato with ? nothing. no replace nato with? nothing. no military alliance . no defence

military alliance. no defence alliance ? alliance? >> well, i think, you know , nato >> well, i think, you know, nato is a club and no global politics. international relations, geopolitics . you relations, geopolitics. you know, different countries and leaders on behalf of the demos with the support of the demos talking to each other is a really good thing. but i think this is a club that's lost its way, lost its teeth and some country tis and, you know, the nato club are happy to use . nato club are happy to use. ukraine to prosecute their own hostility to russia , but they're hostility to russia, but they're not prepared. yes britain has given, you know , a certain given, you know, a certain amount of weaponry. ukraine doesn't have the air power that it really needs, but it must be said, russia must be really thinking and clear that nato and western countries won't do anything. look really weak. and

i think, you know , a lot of i think, you know, a lot of people have said, oh, well, nato pushed russia. it was nato's expansion that forced russia's hand. you know, there's no doubt that nato wound russia up. that's absolutely true. and failed to integrate russia more when it could of in the past. but i think today what we're seeing is that russia is acting on its own volition, must take entire responsible duty for the barbaric invasion that it's prosecuted. and it must see nato's a bit of a joke because it you know , what is it doing? it you know, what is it doing? on you can join us after the end oh you can join us after the end of the war. what's that about for ukrainians ? you know, you for ukrainians? you know, you can see why zelenskyy and ukrainians want to be in nato. absolutely of course they they do. they think it might help them under article five. but in kerry, i'm going to it's not going to do anything . going to do anything. >> well, i'm just going to have to go back to robert before we finish up. you were shaking your

head there. what were head at kerry there. what were you say? just very you going to say? just very quickly, . quickly, disgrace. >> a bit a drift >> yes, we are a bit a drift here because because nato is a democratic organisation with its own democratic assembly. and that's why some of its decision making at times can seem a bit muddled. but it does have to go back to the delegates and the delegates come up from the parliament. it is a democratic organisation and it is prosecuting national sovereignty. i mean some of i'm afraid what we were hearing from my colleague is the kind of stuff that i deal with day in and day out from the moscow propaganda stations when i'm broadcasting to the to the to the middle east. yes russia was provoked. no no, russia nato was weak in the outrage because it was so difficult to do the outrage in the wild east. yeltsin years. but russia guaranteed lead the national sovereignty of ukraine. this you

cannot get out of in the bucharest, in the budapest accords of 1994. and this is a violation. and this is why the frontline countries, not just the baltics , but also poland and the baltics, but also poland and now the nordics, really do see this as a real threat. and if you don't think this is a real threat, look to your cyberspace and look to your telecommunications . and they're telecommunications. and they're at it quite assiduously. thank you very much indeed. >> robert fox, defence editor at the london evening standard. and kerry dingle of world right, two very different opinions. i've got only time for a quick comment, emma, whose are comment, emma, whose side are you on? >> it's too nuanced for that. i can't i can't give you a quick answer to that. but what i will say is we do need we do in the current situation with china and russia, a military russia, we do need a military alliance teeth . and i alliance that has teeth. and i think it makes sense. of think that it makes sense. of course, ukraine can't join until after the because then nato after the war because then nato would drag every other country that of nato into war that is part of nato into war with russia. so that would a

with russia. so that would be a ridiculous suggestion. idea ridiculous suggestion. the idea that it should join nato further down the line. yes, sure. but we can't jump the gun because , you can't jump the gun because, you know, there are some people who want to have negotiated want to have a negotiated settlement it's settlement in ukraine. so it's actually very complex. so i can't give an all out which can't give you an all out which side am i on? >> think quite a lot >> i think there are quite a lot of who are suspicious of of people who are suspicious of intergovernmental organisations. yes. but mm- mam-l >> but there are times, as robert extremely robert explained, extremely clearly, if you are looking at the logistics getting the sheer logistics of getting stuff across various countries to get it to ukraine and the real threat that is now on the very perimeters of those baltic states and other countries is i think it's a really, really big deal think it's a really, really big deal. and i think one of the important things to remember is that ukraine was invited to join in 2008, but it was told very clearly it had to get its house in order. in terms of corruption, yes, this has been a long time coming. >> it's not new. >> it's not new. >> and i think, you know, if we need to look at anything and

failure, it's when russia invaded crimea and the west did nothing . we looked the other way nothing. we looked the other way and putin thought, oh, they don't give a and then he waited, waited , waited. because russia waited, waited. because russia plays a long game , as does china. >> i think other countries need to up a bit more cash for to cough up a bit more cash for defence. us you know, the us is the contributor the biggest contributor to nato in terms of defence spending. i believe we are second and then it's a way down it's quite a long way down before you to the next before you get to the next countries, the germany, the france , etcetera, etcetera. let france, etcetera, etcetera. let me know you think is, is me know what you think is, is nato old fashioned? is it doing a good job? do you think ukraine should it? but we're going a good job? do you think ukraine sh move it? but we're going a good job? do you think ukraine sh move on it? but we're going a good job? do you think ukraine sh move on to but we're going a good job? do you think ukraine sh move on to wellwe're going a good job? do you think ukraine sh move on to well ,e're going a good job? do you think ukraine sh move on to well, quite oing a good job? do you think ukraine sh move on to well, quite an; to move on to well, quite an exciting story in my view. i've got the letter here. has the labour party become the political wing of just stop oil? why am i asking that? because home secretary suella braverman has said in a letter to sir keir starmer calling on him to sack three of his shadow ministers for sympathy with for expressing sympathy with just stop oil and extinction rebellion. so i'm going to go to my panel on this one. i don't

know if you've had time to read this letter, but it is. well, it's a fun way to a sunday morning. >> oh, i imagine she's been working quite some working on that for quite some time. quite an time. it's really quite an extraordinary letter in extraordinary letter because in a strange it's almost a strange way, it's almost addressing starmer as addressing keir starmer as if he's minister. of he's the prime minister. yes, of course. i think suella probably knows that in in in response to the home secretary asking the opposition to fire his entire frontbench , keir starmer is not frontbench, keir starmer is not going to be able politically to do that . and so this is, i think do that. and so this is, i think this is more a case of the home secretary highlighting what is a very real problem with the labour party . now of course, if labour party. now of course, if he took this action, it might make him even more favourable to the electorate. if he were to distance himself from just stop oil. that points out in oil. but that she points out in the letter that she's asking keir to do is to act in keir starmer to do is to act in private as he does in public. so she's asking him to fire one of his senior advisers who's who was meeting behind closed doors with just stop oil. just stop

oil. of course , having said oil. of course, having said that, the labour party were essentially putting forward just o'boyle's policies and so suella braverman's accusation runs against the labour party in this letter. absolutely correct. i think that she is and welsh labour of course, have been accused of holding various meetings with extinction rebellion . rebellion. >> just stop oil basically granting them legitimacy . but granting them legitimacy. but let me remind our viewers and listeners what she's actually written in this letter, if you haven't seen it yet. she says that, according to leaked internal just stop oil messages .jess internal just stop oil messages . jess morden mp, who is keir starmer's parliamentary private secretary, approached just stop oil and extinction rebellion for a chat in an attempt to sell them on how labour is still dnven them on how labour is still driven by the environment. so you could argue that's lending legitimacy groups by legitimacy to these groups by involving them in their policy chat. she said that she goes on to say that he should sack jess morden, mp and the other morden, mp and all the other frontbench figures such as ed miliband and kerry mccarthy mp who have expressed sympathy in

her words, with just stop oil and extinction rebellion and she ends this cutting line that ends with this cutting line that labour under your leadership, has become the political wing of just stop oil. joe, what do you make of this? >> i think suella braverman is just ludicrous, frankly . she just ludicrous, frankly. she holds one of the highest offices of state. she puts this letter out not through the normal channels where you do a letter. you release it to the press. she puts it out on twitter, for heaven's sake . she is looking heaven's sake. she is looking for headlines. that's all she ever does. and the idea that if you are perhaps going to be the next government or you certainly are going to have a say in things as parliamentarians that you wouldn't seek to have a meeting with people who are causing a lot of disruption and perhaps try and say to them actually , i'm a bit like when actually, i'm a bit like when people say , oh, you need to people say, oh, you need to bnng people say, oh, you need to bring the terrorists around the table. >> no. >> no. >> well, hang on a minute. trevor neilson, who you may know, is a billionaire know, who is a billionaire american who funded the climate

emergency, he's withdrawn all his funding because for a just stop oil and similar groups because he doesn't like the way they're protesting. he says it's become performative and it's not engaging with people and says all the things that we all probably agree with, which is it's absolutely ridiculous to stop ordinary people getting to work, going to hospital, going to school. et cetera. et cetera. you're not going to win the argument. now, if you have somebody when emma said somebody who and when emma said the meeting was behind closed doors, no suggestion doors, there is no suggestion that it was done secretly from the labour leadership. that's not my interpretation . not my interpretation. >> that's the problem. the labour leadership knew exactly what was going on. >> but what is what is wrong? why would you not invite people in say , hang on a minute, in and say, hang on a minute, you're losing the public argument? >> that's not what they're saying, know, but welsh saying, you know, but welsh laboun saying, you know, but welsh labour, there been many labour, there have been many reports out of labour. reports coming out of labour. yeah, know, starmer yeah, but you know, keir starmer . the labour party, it . emily the labour party, it doesn't whether doesn't matter really whether they shouldn't. they should or they shouldn't. >> can if they want

>> i mean they can if they want to, but the reason why to, but i think the reason why this probably taking this meeting was probably taking place because they want the place is because they want the support they support of just stop oil. they say in public, they do say one thing in public, they do another in private. another thing in private. >> we've seen the flopping >> we've seen the flip flopping over oil and gas. >> there's also an absolute fair point suella braverman point that suella braverman makes herself letter, makes herself in that letter, which is that this group is extreme, that they are blocking ambulances from getting to hospitals . they are vandalising hospitals. they are vandalising property. they are destroying works of art, she says to those at home who haven't read this letter, well, unless she says, she says labour are bowing to fringe lobbies and extreme. it's just she's pointing. she's pointing out that, yes, i think the letter is clunky and a bit peculiar. i mean, it's quite extraordinary . extraordinary. >> and it wouldn't be she's time if she said, oh, i didn't write that letter, but she's pointing out hypocrisy of the labour leadership. >> she's absolutely right to. and i think that the british pubuc and i think that the british public will have people are totally fed up with just stop oil and the british public have a right to know that the labour leadership are doing one thing

in public and saying one thing in public and saying one thing in public and doing another. but they have. but they haven't denied it. >> and so both keir starmer >> and also so both keir starmer and rachel reeves, the shadow chancellor, that they chancellor, have said that they are against the. that's fine. >> they can admit to their hypocrisy. it's not hypocritical to have somebody in to have a conversation . conversation. >> right. conversation. >> well,. conversation. >> well, i want know what >> well, i want to know what people at home watching and listening to gb news sunday think this. think think about this. do you think suella right to suella braverman is right to send harsh worded letter? send this harsh worded letter? perhaps you could say that laboun perhaps you could say that labour, under your leadership , labour, under your leadership, has become the political wing of just stop oil. is that truth just stop oil. is that the truth or is it a bit hyperbolic? i'll let you decide. you're watching or listening to gb news sunday with me, emily carver. we've got lots more coming later in the lots more coming up later in the show. but first, let's take a look at the with look at the weather with jonathan ruddy . the weather is jonathan ruddy. the weather is there. >> life doesn't change that quickly . quickly. >> i've sailed the atlantic .

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to councils from the environment watchdog . the approach is watchdog. the approach is already in place in a district in essex. it be introduced in essex. could it be introduced in essex. could it be introduced in your area next green schemes in your area next green schemes in order to build housing? all of that and more to come. i'm emily carver and you're watching and listening to gb news, britain's news channel, the live desk with me, mark longhurst and me, tomson me, pip tomson >> it's here monday to friday on gb news from midday. >> we'll bring you the news as it breaks, whenever it's happening and wherever it's happening and wherever it's happening from across the uk and around the world. refreshing feisty, but with a bit of fun too. if it matters to you, we'll have it covered on tv, radio and online. join the live desk on gb news. >> the people's channel. >> the people's channel. >> britain's news .

channel >> hello, welcome to gb news sunday. thank you for joining >> hello, welcome to gb news sunday. thank you forjoining us sunday. thank you for joining us this lunchtime. so coming up this lunchtime. so coming up this hour, if you want to build new houses, you have to impose green schemes in your area. new housing will be blocked unless councillors agree to introduce ulez style schemes. does this mean the green loving youths of britain have to choose between supporting green schemes and owning a home? we'll have that debate then. would you choose would you house a channel migrant in your spare room? local communities are divided over hosting migrants in their area, but a new report suggests brits should let asylum seekers stay with them to help reduce the £22 billion annual cost of housing. them in hotels. would you and does britain suffer from a sick note culture? the number of people off work with long term sickness has surged over the past three years by 440,000.

what do you think? do you think we're all a bit lazy? have we got a sick note culture? get in touch. send us your thoughts on gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at gb news. but first, let's get the news with polly . the news with polly. >> emily, thank you. good afternoon. the top story this houn afternoon. the top story this hour, the uk has become the first european country to formally join the indo—pacific trade bloc, potentially creating access to over £12 trillion worth of global business to business and trade secretary kemi badenoch says the deal will bnng kemi badenoch says the deal will bring british businesses a step closer to selling to a market of over 500 million people across asia with fewer barriers. some everyday items from countries within the bloc, such as australian ugg boots, for example, should become cheaper for consumers. it's estimated the agreement will come into effect towards the end of 2024. nigel huddleston, international

trade minister, told gb news earlier the deal will help to grow the uk economy , talking grow the uk economy, talking about billions of pounds of additional economic activity right across the country. >> it will benefit every nation and region of the uk, not just about where we are now, but where this could go in the future as well, because we expect the membership of cptpp to expand over the coming years. so i wouldn't be too obsessed with the current numbers this is about the potential growth for the well the labour the uk economy. well the labour leader, sir keir starmer, conceded that the trade deal was a start , but he said more was a start, but he said more was needed. >> any trade deal is good. i wouldn't call this one massive, but it's certainly not a plan for growth . and the problem is for growth. and the problem is we've not had a plan for growth for 13 years under this government . we still haven't got government. we still haven't got a plan for growth. so yes, look, a plan for growth. so yes, look, a trade deal always a step in a trade deal is always a step in the direction. but this is the right direction. but this is not for growth . and it's not a plan for growth. and it's that to have a plan for that failure to have a plan for growth that's left us in the economic that we're in.

economic mess that we're in. >> now, home secretary has >> now, the home secretary has published a letter. she's written to sir keir starmer claiming a labour staffer met with just stop oil and extinction rebellion activists in private meetings . suella in private meetings. suella braverman claims that internal memos from just stop oil showed that the mp, jess morton , met that the mp, jess morton, met with the environmental groups to sell them on how labour is dnven sell them on how labour is driven by environmental policy . driven by environmental policy. the home secretary called for the sacking of ms morton and for all office holders within the party to cut contact with, in her words , extremist groups. sir her words, extremist groups. sir keir starmer has rebuffed the claims, saying none of his team are meeting with just stop oil the defence secretary, ben wallace , will give up his wallace, will give up his government position at the next cabinet reshuffle and will not stand as an mp at the next general election. that's according to today's sunday times newspaper. and it comes just days after the prime minister, rishi sunak, had to interject following comments from mr wallace suggesting ukraine should show more gratitude to the uk for the

military support it's been given. matt goodwin, professor of politics at the university of kent, says it represents wider problems, though for the conservative party . conservative party. >> it's coming only a few days before those very awkward by elections. for rishi sunak, it's coming amidst a wider sense in the country that the conservatives are in disarray. we've got 40 conservatives standing down at the next election. this is a really seismic number for the conservative party and it all adds to a sense that people are now really concluding that this party is heading for defeat. and it's party is heading for defeat. and wsfime party is heading for defeat. and it's time to do something different . different. >> surgical procedure for more than 8000 children have had to be cancelled in scotland since 2019. that's according to the scottish liberal democrats . scottish liberal democrats. they're describing the newly released data as a badge of shame for the snp government. the scottish lib dems say many operations were cancelled due to a lack of staff or equipment,

but the scottish government has responded by saying the impact of covid 19 on the normal day to day running of nhs hospitals could not be underestimated . could not be underestimated. former soldiers could be called upon to join a reserve force in future crises. the sunday telegraph today reports it's part of a planned overhaul of the military, which could reduce the military, which could reduce the british army to its smallest size since the napoleonic wars . size since the napoleonic wars. ministers are expected to defend the proposals. part of the long awaited defence command paper. inaya listing the war in ukraine shows how uk forces can become more agile . the army currently more agile. the army currently consists of more than 75,000 personnel, but the paper says the government will announce plans to cut it to 73,000. now firefighters fighters are still battling a hotel fire in east sussex over 18 hours after it began. with today's high winds making it an even tougher fight. the emergency services were called to the royal albion hotel

in brighton, which has been reduced to a burnt out shell. yesterday evening, east sussex fire and rescue service says no one's been injured, but people have had to be evacuated from nearby buildings because of the extremely challenging set of conditions around the fire. and significant smoke remains a problem in the atmosphere around the hotel . police have advised the hotel. police have advised people to stay away . lastly, people to stay away. lastly, prince george and princess charlotte have joined their parents to watch the men's final today at wimbledon . and it is today at wimbledon. and it is just getting underway . the just getting underway. the prince and princess of wales and their children watching novak djokovic try to win a record equalling eighth wimbledon title currently held by roger federer , the serbian wimbledon champion is going to play against the spanish world. number one, carlos alcaraz . us gb news. more carlos alcaraz. us gb news. more news as it happens. back now to

. emily >> all right, thank you very much , polly. so new homes could much, polly. so new homes could be blocked unless ulez style schemes are agreed first. what do you make of this? let's speak to tom harwood , our political to tom harwood, our political reporter. he's with me now. tom, can you give us a little bit of detail? hello, tom. can you give us a little bit of detail? what does this mean ? does this mean? >> well, this is a proposal because, of course, we know that the united kingdom has signed up to net zero by 2050. and indeed , we know that councils across the country have been trying to meet individual obligation zones, as well as reducing the sort of other toxins that are in the air at the moment. sort of other toxins that are in the air at the moment . we've the air at the moment. we've seen ulez schemes rolled out not just in london but proposed in manchester and cambridge in many cities across the country. and one of the ideas that is floating now is to tie those sorts of schemes and they're

deployment with the approval of new housing. of course , this is new housing. of course, this is a fairly controversial we've seen how groups, particularly in london, have sprung up opposing these sorts of schemes. we've also seen an electoral result recently in cambridge, which saw a seat actually turn conservative in a quite bizarre result given national polling to do with the proposal for one of these ultra low emission schemes as well . so lots of political as well. so lots of political controversy tied up in this all. >> and tom, just very quickly, ulez schemes are, of course, very controversial. a lot of people do not support them. so could this essentially block housing for years and years that would have otherwise gone ahead? because these decisions aren't made quickly, are they ? made quickly, are they? >> they certainly aren't. and we do know the incentives for councils currently are usually against development. the value uplift is not captured by the council and indeed the economic

development that goes on due to construct one of many forms is sucked up by national government rather than local government. so many of the incentives that currently exist are to go to those who campaign against housing. this would add potentially another string to their bow. thank you very much indeed. >> tom harwood. there are political reporter bringing us the very latest from cardiff. well i've got my panel still with me. joe phillips, political commentator and emma webb, political commentator , too. political commentator, too. thank you very much indeed for joining me. joe new homes could be blocked unless ulez st giles' schemes are agreed first. do you think they should have be think they should have to be ulez schemes in order to build houses? there has to be a consideration , even taken into consideration, even taken into account of the impact on the environment at the moment. >> english nature is if it's blocking homes. yes absolutely. engush blocking homes. yes absolutely. english nature is a statutory consultee for large planning applications and they will in fact , where i live applications and they will in fact, where i live in applications and they will in fact , where i live in kent, they fact, where i live in kent, they are concerns have held up a

development for some time because of concerns about pollution in a river that then would affect tens of thousands of homes. so there are huge things . tom of homes. so there are huge things. tom mentioned something in london, in essex , epping in london, in essex, epping forest, one of the old most ancient forests in this country is protected by all sorts of laws and english nature have been working with the local council to try and minimise the impact. if you build new houses , this won't stop house building, but it is absolutely right and proper that you shouldn't be able to just go and build tens of thousands of houses in an area which will bnng houses in an area which will bring maybe thousands of himars. >> we are at crisis point . >> we are at crisis point. >> we are at crisis point. >> we're at crisis. >> we're at crisis. >> we're at crisis. >> we are at crisis point. and i'm sorry, but if you're in favour of liberal immigration, you've got in favour of you've got to be in favour of liberal planning laws because otherwise. where liberal planning laws because otreartha. where liberal planning laws because otreartha. people where liberal planning laws because otreartha. people going1ere on earth are people going to live? you've people, live? and you've got people, young people who literally cannot. me let cannot. well, let me let me let me a very good example me give you a very good example from a labour government in

ashford. >> kent, there was a massive >> in kent, there was a massive development of properties every body locally said no one will get a mortgage because you're building on floodplains. it's ridiculous. you're going to build all of these and build all of these houses and actually it went ahead. the then environment secretary, john prescott, you know, pushed it through, pushed it through. thousands of houses were built. guess what? nobody could get a mortgage because they were built on floodplains what? on floodplains. and guess what? fergus wilson , the man who has fergus wilson, the man who has been found guilty on so many counts his appalling counts of his appalling treatment of council officials , treatment of council officials, planners and tenants , took that planners and tenants, took that over pretty much became a one man racket. it and made a fortune. that doesn't solve the problem. building bad houses in the wrong place is not going to solve the problem completely. >> take point. but it's a >> take your point. but it's a tncky >> take your point. but it's a tricky one, isn't it? because i want see, you know, don't want to see, you know, i don't want to see, you know, i don't want houses to be built where they shouldn't be or i don't want houses to built. that's want houses to be built. that's going to cause pollution. but i don't think st giles' don't think ulez st giles' schemes should be part the

schemes should be part of the criteria. do you? yeah. >> this particular story is not at all a tricky one. look, i'm, i consider myself a conservative environmentalist. i love the countryside. also unlike countryside. i'm also unlike many of my more liberal friends, a bit of a nimby, i think the only beautiful thing should be built. but i do recognise that we crisis. but we have a housing crisis. but the with this is this the issue with this is that this is , this is eco radical is, this is eco radical blackmail i think, and i know that's putting it quite strongly, eco radical blackmail i >> -- >> there we go. >> there we go. >> this is to get your obe braverman, do you hear me ? braverman, do you hear me? >> now, i really think that this is absolutely outrageous. this is absolutely outrageous. this is persecuting motorists . the is persecuting motorists. the suggestions are of ulez 15 minute neighbourhoods, low traffic neighbourhoods. you know the as we've seen in london, so much opposition to the ultra low emission zone. the people that this is going to affect the most are the people who can't get on the housing ladder and the people who are particularly out in epping trades in places like epping trades men, need to go men, people who need to go through area get to through that area to get to work, are to be

work, who are going to be charged at a time when people are having their pockets are already having their pockets squeezed cost of living squeezed by the cost of living crisis. think this crisis. i think that this is absolutely . it's absolutely outrageous. it's i think it's unethical . and i hope think it's unethical. and i hope that they ignore this recommendation . but the problem recommendation. but the problem is that the councils could end up getting wrapped up in all sorts of legal problems if they just choose to ignore it. i think we really need to push back hard against this us les 15 minute neighbourhood stuff because it's absolutely draconian and they justify draconian and they they justify it by saying we need to get to zero net by 2050. but again, i think that the policies that are neededin think that the policies that are needed in order to do that are frankly inhumane are going frankly inhumane and are going to people poorer, to make people poorer, colder and also, we see. and hungrier also, we see. >> well, very good point . very >> well, very good point. very well made. we see consultation often after consultation . often after consultation. people's views are supposedly taken into account . but then we taken into account. but then we see these undemocratic measures being rolled out. it's very easy for someone in a council sitting at a council desk to say, i want to solve the problem of

pollution , let's have a ulez pollution, let's have a ulez zone. well what about all the unintended consequences ? liz? unintended consequences? liz? what about all of those people that are going be charged that are going to be charged more be able to do their more to be able to do their business? well, there so business? well, there are so many going many businesses that are going to impacted by they're to be badly impacted by they're already badly impacted by things like congestion zone charges now by charges. it really by pollution charges. it really is very difficult. and you can say, oh, well, they should all have electric vehicles, but they are very expensive indeed. and also not always reliable. thank you very much indeed. to joe phillips and emma webb for bringing us up to date on that story you're watching and listening to gb news sunday with me, let me know me, emily carver. let me know what ulez what you think about these ulez in build and houses. in order to build and houses. what do you make of that? we've got coming up on got lots more coming up on today's but first, let's today's show, but first, let's take a at weather with jonathan. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your latest gb news weather forecast provided

by the met office . july's by the met office. july's relatively showery feeling will be continuing over the next few days. low pressure is gradually pushing its way off towards the north, so the winds will be easing. but for the time being, southern areas scotland down southern areas of scotland down into could into north—east england could still winds still see some blustery winds into of this evening. into the start of this evening. some spells of rain for some longer spells of rain for northern and western scotland . northern and western scotland. elsewhere, thunderstorms elsewhere, the thunderstorms and heavy we have will heavy showers we have seen will slowly their way out. slowly be easing their way out. and some those and underneath some of those clearer skies, temperatures will just drop to around 11, just drop down to around 11, 12 c overnight might drop into single figures in some rural spots as well. does that mean that we'll see a decent amount of sunshine first thing on monday morning? but we will then see those scattered showers developing once again as we head throughout day, particularly throughout the day, particularly for eastern central, throughout the day, particularly for eastern central , south for eastern central, south eastern of england. some for eastern central, south eathose of england. some for eastern central, south eathose could)f england. some for eastern central, south eathose could)f englan heavy|e for eastern central, south eathose could)f englan heavy in of those could be quite heavy in nature, maybe with some thunderstorms some thunderstorms again and some hail possible also. but there will be some sunshine in between those scattered showers with those scattered showers and with winds compared to the winds lighter compared to the weekend, it will feel that weekend, it will just feel that bit warmer. temperatures ranging between and 23 c. for

between 18 and 23 c. for tuesday, though, we have to watch as our next low pressure centre is going to push its way in the west. so turning in from the west. so turning quite on quite damp first thing on tuesday morning for northern ireland. that rain will then ireland. and that rain will then steadily into steadily progress its way into parts northern wales, parts of northern wales, northern scotland northern england and scotland later south—east, later on the far south—east, generally drier . but generally staying drier. but there still the chance of there is still the chance of further showers do head further showers as we do head towards rest of the week. towards the rest of the week. bye.by towards the rest of the week. bye. by that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. >> proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> thank you very much, jonathan, for that splendid weather report . we've got lots weather report. we've got lots more coming up on today's show. the sun has published bombshell claims against edwards, claims against huw edwards, leading media frenzy. we've leading to a media frenzy. we've seen all week. was the seen this all week. but was the sun to publish allegations sun right to publish allegations about the bbc presenter ? and about the bbc presenter? and what does this say about the way our press is regulated ? all of our press is regulated? all of that and more to come. i'm emily carver and you're watching and listening to gb news,

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>> welcome back to gb news sunday with me, emily carver on your tv and radio. so lots of your tv and radio. so lots of you have been getting in touch on the topics we've been discussing on nato. shane says nato has lost its purpose and has become a dangerous entity. the spearhead of military the spearhead of the military industrial complex. i believe they intend to start world war iii they intend to start world war m by 2025. if they intend to start world war iii by 2025. if you sound a bit like jeremy corbyn there, stuart has to say it's not the right time for ukraine to join nato. if ukraine joins now, we're suddenly at with very suddenly at war with russia very good point. no one is planning, of course, to allow ukraine to join before the war is over. it would have to wait anyway. bannau on suella letter to keir starmer . this the she starmer. this is the letter she wrote saying that labour is the political wing. well, the political wing. well, the political wing. well, the political wing of just stop oil and that he should sack any of his ministers who have been talking to them . who is this? talking to them. who is this? this is alison. she says suella

was right to send that letter. keir starmer was on bbc this morning and condemned the actions just stop oil. the actions of just stop oil. the labour associated with them labour mps associated with them are therefore going rogue. good point. richard has written in. he says she was right to send the letter. sir keir is two faced and a hypocrite . faced and is a total hypocrite. no one knows what he thinks. he was trained a barrister and was trained as a barrister and will angle to will argue from every angle to try and his own case. try and win his own case. i think that is quite a broadly held view actually, that we don't exactly what keir don't know exactly what keir starmer for , although you starmer stands for, although you might argue that he's playing a bunder might argue that he's playing a blinder sitting the fence blinder by sitting on the fence and letting the conservatives lose the next election potentially. well, please do keep your views coming in. subscribe to our youtube channel, follow us on twitter. we're gb news. so of course , we're at gb news. so of course, one biggest stories, one one of the biggest stories, one of biggest media stories of of the biggest media stories of the bosses have been the week, bbc bosses have been called before parliament next week questions on its week to answer questions on its handung week to answer questions on its handling huw edwards handling of the huw edwards allegations scandal allegations. when the scandal was sparked by the son bringing the family's claims to light, which led to a backlash which has led to a backlash against claims of against the paper amid claims of against the paper amid claims of a witch hunt the

a witch hunt against the presenter. but was the sun right to publish the allegations to begin with about huw edwards? joining me now is general secretary of the free speech union, young. toby thank union, toby young. toby thank you very much indeed. well, essentially , i'd like you to essentially, i'd like you to answer that question. i just posed to our listeners and viewers. should the sun have published this story ? published this story? >> yeah. good afternoon , emily. >> yeah. good afternoon, emily. yes, i think the sun was completely within its rights to pubush completely within its rights to publish this story. >> after all, if it had been a story about a 61 year old conservative mp and had appeared in the guardian, or if it had been about a gb news presenter and appeared in the financial times, i don't think these panjandrums of the liberal establishment would be jumping up and down and crying foul and trying to shoot the messenger. >> it's a perfectly legitimate story because it involves an abuse of power that's an alleged abuse of power that's an alleged abuse of power. that's that's the public interest defence. and i think it's very hypocrite , i think it's very hypocrite, michael of the bbc or senior

figures in the bbc to criticise the sun for publishing ing allegations about huw edwards because the bbc itself has followed up with allegations of its own about huw edwards. newsnight the bbc's flagship news and current affairs programme has published several allegations about inappropriate behaviour by huw edwards two junior members of the bbc of bbc staff . so, you know, if the bbc staff. so, you know, if the bbc can print these stories and it's perfectly legitimate for them to do so because they're in the pubuc do so because they're in the public interest, why can't the sun a very good point . sun that's a very good point. >> but commentators, many >> but some commentators, many commentators was actually from many mainstream media outlets have seemed to frame this as a battle between murdoch and the bbc. d0 battle between murdoch and the bbc. do you see any truth in that or is that just, i don't know, a way of a way of protecting the bbc? >> i don't think i don't think that the editor of the sun is

running this story in order to curry favour with rupert murdoch because rupert murdoch has a vested interest not in undermining the bbc. after all, rupert murdoch is no longer a shareholder in sky. i don't think he has. well, he's a shareholder in talktv, but i don't think talktv has ever seriously going to rival the bbc. so i think that's a red herring . i think that, you know, herring. i think that, you know, the fact is the sun had a legitimate scoop here. it had that scoop because a family member of one of the young men at the centre of these allegations contacted the sun. and the reason they contacted the sun is because they originally obe. >> we have to be careful there because we don't know the gender of the of the accuser of the person in question . but carry on. >> on. >> okay . okay um, a family >> okay. okay um, a family member of the person in question at the centre of these allegations contacted the bbc initially to complain . and

initially to complain. and according to that family member, they didn't necessarily want to get the present in trouble. they just wanted him to stop sending their child money because their child was using that money to fund a drug addiction. now, we don't know for sure whether these allegations are true or not, but the sun had it from a family member. that's a that's a legitimate story . it involves an legitimate story. it involves an abuse of power from someone in a senior position at the bbc whose salary, after all, is being paid by the bbc licence . so i think by the bbc licence. so i think it's a perfectly legitimate story. and had the mirror got the story, they would have run it too. the story, they would have run it tyand toby very, >> and toby just very, very quickly, starmer , we've got quickly, keir starmer, we've got an election coming up. keir starmer will thinking about starmer will be thinking about how to regulate how he might like to regulate the if he'd like to the press if he'd like to regulate press. you think regulate the press. do you think this story story may lead to more calls and more pressure to regulate the press further ? regulate the press further? >> yeah, i do fear, emily, that if keir starmer is our next

prime minister, that one of the first things on his agenda will be to bring in state regulator of the press. after all, it was one of ed miliband's priorities . it was in the last two labour manifestos . i've no doubt that manifestos. i've no doubt that it will be in the next labour manifesto too, and it is one of my chief worries about that. the risks to free speech of a labour government and i'm sure that if keir starmer is our next prime minister it'll be the first battle that the free speech union engages in a battle to defend the freedom of the press. >> thank you very much indeed, general secretary of the free speech union toby young, giving us his take on the fallout from the huw edwards allegations . the huw edwards allegations. jones at the bbc. now, i have time for a quick point, joe, what do you have to say to what toby was saying there's toby was saying there? there's a huge between, as is huge difference between, as is the saying goes , what is the old saying goes, what is pubuc the old saying goes, what is public interest and what is of interest the public? interest to the public? >> fundamental thing that >> the fundamental thing that the got wrong was that the

the sun got wrong was that the alleged victim, the young person whose parents apparently went to the bbc or went to the sun through a lawyer, said that these allegations are absolute baseless. the sun did not pubush baseless. the sun did not publish that until i think until after hugh was was named by his wife. i think what you have to remember at the centre of this is a man with mental health issues who is being treated in hospital. there are other people within the family who elle edwards family, his wife, his children , the families of the children, the families of the young person involved whose lives have been completely disrupted. we also know that although they apparently weren't paid by the sun for the story, they have apparently , allegedly they have apparently, allegedly been paid to do an interview with talktv, which is toby young. well we don't know if that's true. >> well, we don't know. >> well, we don't know. >> true. but the >> that's true. but but the point is that given that the alleged victim said this is not true , the sun should have true, the sun should have published that .

published that. >> but then the bbc continued on publishing their own stories, bringing new allegations to light . light. >> i think the issue here is an issue of freedom of the press, andifs issue of freedom of the press, and it's important, issue of freedom of the press, and it's important , generally and it's important, generally speaking, and this is the point that fraser nelson has made very well from the spectator , is well from the spectator, is that, you know, you have to have people to be be able to take if there is an injustice taking place, an abuse of power. people have to be able to take their stories to the papers and for the papers to be able to flag these things to and hold power to account . so we need to to account. so we need to protect the free press in this country. whatever your criticisms may be of a particular paper or a particular channel and their conduct, what is important is that this is not used to clamp down in any way on the freedom of the press, which is exactly what the labour party have hinted towards. >> if there had been >> i do think if there had been allegations against the tory minister, for example, there's a similar who's similar somebody who's the government telling us, you think there's somebody who is making laws and controlling how we live

our lives? >> yeah, i'm sure that is >> yeah, i'm not sure if that is the differentiation . the differentiation. >> may it may that, >> well, i may it may be that, you know, it may for be a number of why stories of reasons why different stories take i mean, i completely take more. i mean, i completely agree freedom of agree with emma on freedom of the press. >> you know, somebody >> but, you know, somebody who's making how to making laws telling us how to behave know , taxpayer funded. >> that's the challenge. >> that's the challenge. >> what's that got to do with anything? >> well, the taxpayer is paying. so what salaries. >> so what? >> so what? >> well, that's of interest. >> well, that's of interest. >> no, of course it's the bbc is the public broadcaster only. >> yes, but the but this isn't this is not a suggestion that there is an abuse of position within the bbc. this is something as well. there have been allegations that suggest that. >> well, those allegations, those should have gone to air. they should much have. and they should very much have. and this is all not perhaps the bbc's own for not dealing bbc's own making for not dealing with allegations with the initial allegations seriously enough. you'll seriously enough. well, you'll let know what you think at let me know what you think at home. you're watching or listening sunday with listening to gb news sunday with me, we've lots me, emily carver. we've got lots more record more coming up with record numbers no numbers crossing the channel. no viable over where to house viable plan over where to house asylum seekers. one report is

suggesting brits should house migrants their own home. what migrants in their own home. what do you make of that? but first, let's with polly . let's get the news with polly. >> emily, thank you. the headunes >> emily, thank you. the headlines this hour. the uk has become the first european country to formally join the indo—pacific trade bloc , indo—pacific trade bloc, potentially creating access to £12 trillion worth of global business. well, the business and trade secretary, kemi badenoch in auckland in new zealand to sign the deal, says it will bnng sign the deal, says it will bring british businesses a step closer to selling to a market of over 500 million people, with fewer barriers. some everyday items from countries within the bloc, such as australia, for example, would mean that ugg boots would sell cheaper for consumers. it's estimated the agreement will come into effect towards the end of 2024. in other news today, the home secretary has published a letter to sir keir starmer claiming a labour staffer met with just stop oil and extinction

rebellion activist . it's in rebellion activist. it's in private meetings . suella private meetings. suella braverman claimed that internal memos from just stop oil showed mp jess morton met with the environmental groups to sell them on how labour is still dnven them on how labour is still driven by the environment. the home secretary called for the sacking of ms morton and for all office holders within the party to cut contact with, in her words, extremist group. sir keir starmer has rebuffed the claims, saying none of his teams have been meeting with just stop oil and firefighters in brighton are still battling with a hotel fire over 18 hours after it began with high winds making it an even tougher fight. with high winds making it an even tougher fight . today, even tougher fight. today, emergency services were called to the royal albion, which is on brighton seafront in east sussex , which has also been reduced to something of a burnt out shell. yesterday evening, east sussex fire and rescue service say no one has been injured, but people have had to be evacuated from nearby buildings because of an extreme challenging set of conditions . significant smoke conditions. significant smoke remains in the atmosphere around

the hotel and police have advised the public to stay away from the area. more on all those stories by heading to our website , gbnews.com .

radio. welcome back to gb news sunday. >> i'm emily carver. so do us brits love to pull a sickie? the number of people off work with long term sickness has surged over the past three years by 440,000, and that seems like bad news for the public finances , as news for the public finances, as according to a report from the fiscal watchdog , it's going fiscal watchdog, it's going to cost . the government £15.7 cost. the government £15.7 billion this year. so is britain suffering from a sick note culture? you're joining me now is broadcaster and journalist mike parry, known for being an extremely hard worker , never extremely hard worker, never taken a sick day off in his

life. what do you say to this? i've seen some startling statistics from the nhs in terms of how many days are being lost. >> yeah, i think the culture of the country is so badly wrong now , just going back now, just going back historically, when gordon brown became the chancellor of the exchequer here, invoked exchequer here, he invoked he invented these payments, didn't he, to prop up your money? >> what were they called? >> what were they called? >> universal credit . >> universal credit. >> universal credit. >> thank you very much indeed . >> thank you very much indeed. >> thank you very much indeed. >> no, they're called tax credits. >> yes , credits are tax credits. >> yes, credits are tax credits. >> yes, credits are tax credits. >> it meant was that if >> and what it meant was that if people were not paid very good salary a big company, he salary at a big company, he would say, well, don't would then say, well, don't worry, we'll make up the money for mean, you know, for you. i mean, you know, industry their hands up and for you. i mean, you know, indusgordon their hands up and for you. i mean, you know, indusgordon brown,|ands up and for you. i mean, you know, indus gordon brown,|andsave and said, gordon brown, i'll save you. kept the cost of you. but it kept the cost of labour very, very cheap to the private subsidies . private subsidies. >> essentially we've been subsidising salaries for a very long time. >> we have now the problem is because it's been going for on such time, it's now such a long time, it's now become a culture country become a culture in this country and cruel. and i think it's cruel. >> any society which >> i think any society which has a to where it's

a structure to where it's acceptable not to go to work, it's acceptable not to earn your own living . it's acceptable to own living. it's acceptable to rely on the state to help you out. >> is a very bad culture. >> is a very bad culture. >> it's something i don't like because this might sound, you know, the old violins and all that, but i got my first job when i was 13 on a newspaper round, and i've literally worked every day since. and i mean that sincerely . be the greatest joy sincerely. be the greatest joy i get in life is working. a lot of people like to go work people like to go to work because it because it's productive. it makes feel worthy a makes them feel worthy of a place society city and they place in society city and they get on with and people who are now encouraged not to work, in my being given a real my view, are being given a real bum deal. >> i mean, confused , two >> i mean, to be confused, two things because you're things here, because you're talking about you don't like tax credits, which is now universal credit. so you don't think that people who are not earning enough money live on, but are enough money to live on, but are working get any help ? working should get any help? >> no, what i'm saying is, is that brown effectively that gordon brown effectively knew what we know. >> he replaced market forces in market forces is what the private sector does is it offers

a salary for a wage. >> and if we want to go and do it, you do it. and they make profits and everything grows. you you can't grow people's situations you them they situations if you tell them they don't get of and don't have to get out of bed and go work. go to work. >> but that whole >> but wasn't that the whole point actually to say to point was actually to say to people, yes, we know you can't afford this, so we're afford to live on this, so we're going you with bit going to help you with a bit more you off benefits and more to get you off benefits and get back into work. get you back into work. >> no, i see the opposite point of the of view. of course, the government subsidising government started subsidising people's and they people's wages and they shouldn't have done that because once massive increase in once we saw massive increase in middle class welfare under blair, under gordon brown , that blair, under gordon brown, that is true. >> the welfare state grew massively. but i am concerned about these sick days. i know the two are linked. i totally agree. let me read this out. the nhs the absence rate during 2022 shows the nhs lost . some 27 shows the nhs lost. some 27 million sick days to absent . million sick days to absent. mental health issues account for almost a quarter of these absences . what do you put that absences. what do you put that down to? well, what i put that down to? well, what i put that down to? well, what i put that down to is the culture in this country.

>> so i'll give you some more figures. 1 in 5 adults in manchester and glasgow are claiming of work welfare. manchester and glasgow are claimiit's of work welfare. manchester and glasgow are claimi it's eitherwork welfare. manchester and glasgow are claimi it's either benefitelfare. manchester and glasgow are claimiit's either benefit or re. okay. it's either benefit or universal credit. so what i'm saying is it's not unusual now for people to think i think i'll throw a sickie. i think i'll take a day off. nobody works very hard in the world. >> what do you think? do you think something ? clearly we've think something? clearly we've got record absences , as in some got record absences, as in some parts of the public sector. the nhs for one. what do you put that down to? well, you mentioned mental health and i think that's a really important statistic, that of the statistic, which is that of the of the new people who are claiming out of work benefits for health reasons. >> 40% of those are for mental health reasons. that's quite incredible. and so i think that i mean, i think there's a lot going on here. i don't think it's just kind of post pandemic fallout. as a society, fallout. i think as a society, we've atomised. there are we've become atomised. there are so many factors that could be playing that playing into this. we know that smartphones tech has a massive impact on people's mental health. people live more sedentary lives now. so i think

that there lots of reasons that there are lots of reasons why actually. so you could say maybe people are pulling these sickies just because they know they get with they can get away with it, because a culture because we live in a culture thatis because we live in a culture that is very this kind that is very soft on this kind of you have to do is of thing. all you have to do is claim, you're right, claim, no, you're right, mentally people mentally unwell, and then people will easy ride. or will give you an easy ride. or it that people actually it could be that people actually are and are getting more sick and actually having mental actually are having more mental health i think health problems or and i think if you were a mixture of the two, it could a mixture of two, it could be a mixture of the oh, they've the the two. oh, they've lowered the bar. i think bar. but even if you i think they have lowered the bar, lowered bar and even lowered the bar and even but just finish. very sorry just let me finish. very sorry that even if you assume the that even even if you assume the best scenario, which is best case scenario, which is that really are all that these people really are all sick they have mental health sick and they have mental health problems, we problems, all the i think we serious seriously serious i think we seriously need address the fact that need to address the fact that our society and our culture in general , in our society and our culture in general, in so many our society and our culture in general , in so many facets our society and our culture in general, in so many facets has become extremely unhealthy. and just to add one very quick final thing on the nhs is that the nhs waiting list is now over 7 million people long. it's like 1 in 10 of the population are on the. >> so it's hardly surprising

that more people are sick and a huge number of those are obviously of working age. >> and if you take time off >> and so if you take time off because unwell you because you're unwell and you can't help through the nhs, can't get help through the nhs, you'll and you'll be off for longer and that have economic. that will have an economic. >> there so many >> absolutely. there are so many different but different factors to this, but sharon's mike. she sharon's written in mike. she says, hi, emily and mike, my company sick company does not pay sick pay. and what? one is ever and guess what? no one is ever sick . so that speaks to the sick. so that speaks to the point. now that awful. point. now that might be awful. i there might people i mean, there might be people who struggling who are literally struggling to get and should at get into work and should be at home sick. >> but my colleague here has just number of just said about the number of people who take sick mass people who take sick is mass bigger in the public sector ? bigger in the public sector? >> there is a than it is in the private sector taken off which i think was the figure that you quoted emily which is not the same people claiming sickness same as people claiming sickness benefit, is it? >> no, but get paid sick >> no, but you get paid sick leave only after you do. >> but not the first day you don't. mike and that company, that woman, if she's not paying people sick leave, should be closed. >> that's different. that's probably a private company. you do sector. do not public sector. >> . >> sorry. >> sorry. >> i think anyone who's worked in the health service, who works

in the health service, who works in the health service, who has been through the absolute nonsense of the last few years, risking their lives, many of them working flat out while idiots stood on doorsteps, banging saucepans and no and shut up a minute and just listen. i've got a son who works in the health service and i know many, many people and his colleagues who have really , colleagues who have really, really serious health issues , really serious health issues, including suicide . that doesn't including suicide. that doesn't mean they're claiming sick benefit. it means people have reached the end of their tether with no support. and your argument is unkind . it's cruel. argument is unkind. it's cruel. no, it's not. it's not true . no, it's not. it's not true. >> do you not agree that there can be a mixture of things? >> of course you can just put it into just it into perspective. >> if a plumber doesn't get up one day and out to work one day and go out to work because he's got a bit of a cold, he doesn't paid in the cold, he doesn't get paid in the pubuc cold, he doesn't get paid in the public sector, barrier is, public sector, the barrier is, you know, the bar has been put down so low for people to take a day off from work because they get paid and the paramedics and

the people who you can get in any public sector, i think because i do, i do think that it's actually fair to say that if you are a self employed person, you are going to go to that job in order to put food on your table. >> public sector. one of the benefits take it public benefits take it easy public sector something that's benefits take it easy public sectcknown something that's benefits take it easy public sectc known is something that's benefits take it easy public sectc known is that ething that's benefits take it easy public sectc known is that you 1g that's benefits take it easy public sectc known is that you are hat's benefits take it easy public sectc known is that you are able well known is that you are able to sick leave and get paid to take sick leave and get paid and able to be and that you are able to be absent more because you can still get paid for it. those two things right. whilst things can be right. whilst obviously not trying to denigrate and say nasty things about people. >> mental health. nobody's denigrating health issues i >>i h- kl— 5 people actually do >> i think people actually do have mental health now. have worse mental health now. yeah. and it could possibly be because we have a culture that in some ways not encourages it, but kind of but also we talk so much about our feelings now that we've become an over sort of therapeutic culture. >> hasn't the definition of mental health changed? hasn't mental health changed? hasn't mental health changed? hasn't mental health now strayed into areas where it used to be frustration, it used to be discipline appointment, it used

to be a tough job, which you've got to struggle with. some of that has moved into the official area of mental health. i mean, look, we know the figures, 5.5. 3 million people of working age are claiming out of work benefits, right? that's an obe figure. and 40% of them are said to have mental health problems, are trying to do the government are trying to do the government are trying to do the government are trying to do something about this. >> and of course, if we break down those figures, there are very different reasons very many different reasons for why aren't out work. why people aren't out of work. benefits but number benefits but the number i think everyone can agree is far too high. darren has written in my sister is nurse and she says sister is a nurse and she says that nhs full salary that the nhs pays full salary for six months while for the first six months while off some off sick. she says that some staff count the six month as part holidays and take staff count the six month as parmonths holidays and take staff count the six month as parmonths offylidays and take staff count the six month as parmonths off sick/s and take staff count the six month as parmonths off sick every take staff count the six month as parmonths off sick every fewe six months off sick every few years. know if that is years. i don't know if that is true, what has true, but that's what diana has said . of there so said. of course there are so many different why many different reasons why people sick, but it is people are off sick, but it is alarming those figures that so many people are anyway , moving many people are anyway, moving on.thank many people are anyway, moving on. thank you very much indeed , on. thank you very much indeed, mike there. strong stuff mike parry there. strong stuff now the row over where to house asylum seekers rumbles on. earlier week, a legal bid earlier this week, a legal bid from to challenge

from campaigners to challenge the home office's to use the home office's plan to use former raf air bases to house asylum seekers was approved by the high court. local communities are of course very much divided over hosting migrants their but migrants in their area, but a new report suggests brits should let asylum seekers stay with them to help reduce the £22 billion annual cost of housing them in hotels. joining me now is migrationwatch uk chairman alf mehmet and international human rights lawyer david. hey alf, i'll start with you . so alf, i'll start with you. so this seems to be a suggestion similar to perhaps the ukraine scheme in a way that if you are willing and you have a spare room, why not take an asylum seeker who would otherwise be being paid for by the taxpayer in a hotel or in a barge or in a raaf base ? raaf base? >> well , raaf base? >> well, ukraine is very different. we are talking about a country that had just been invaded. everyone knows what was going on there . it was going on there. it was essentially women and children

who came here and expected to return to their country when things are back to normal, whenever that may be. so this is very, very different . we're very, very different. we're talking about people who are coming here and coming permanently. i think it's a bad idea, frankly. i think it's always a bad idea to when you mix control with costs, immigration controls should not be about costs. the government is giving up the responsibility . oh i think we've lost alf. >> let's go to it. oh, let's go to. sorry, alf. sorry. i think we've got you back. continue. please, please go on. >> well, it won't dissuade anyone from coming . it is likely anyone from coming. it is likely to encourage people to come home. and if you look at the countries that will really benefit most from such an arrangement, there are six of

them. there's libya, afghanistan , bhutan, syria. yes an sudan . , bhutan, syria. yes an sudan. we're talking about 140, 145 million people. so are we really saying that everyone in this country should be prepared to put up anyone who wants to come from these countries? it's daft. absolutely daft idea . absolutely daft idea. >> david, should brits open their homes to asylum seekers crossing by the channel >> good afternoon, emily. i think i think if there's two kind of systems here to look at, there's where we are at the moment where you've got asylum seekers, some of them where applications at applications are taking years at great cost to the taxpayer. so in the current system where we've got that provider and there is safety we need for obviously the home owners and the people that stay there provided it's effective and workable, then it is a solution to a tiny amount of the chaos that we have in the asylum system at the moment. but if we're to believe the tories, when they go through with the if

the act goes through , then the new act goes through, then these seekers coming these asylum seekers coming across the channel, according to suella braverman , will be here suella braverman, will be here for few weeks at the most. so for a few weeks at the most. so is she is the proposal effectively the migrant effectively that the migrant will come across , be placed in will come across, be placed in someone's home and be vetted in that period of time as well as all asylum application and all the asylum application and then in the event that they're sent back, you're going to have a very nasty possibly forced forced from someone's a very nasty possibly forced forced i from someone's a very nasty possibly forced forced ijust from someone's a very nasty possibly forced forced i just don't�*n someone's a very nasty possibly forced forced i just don't think1eone's a very nasty possibly forced forced i just don't think that's; home. i just don't think that's safe, not workable . safe, not workable. >> we seem to be in agreement there. thank you very much indeed. chairman indeed. the chairman of migration and watch uk alp mehmet and international human rights david hague . thank rights lawyer david hague. thank you indeed. sorry, you very much indeed. sorry, that a little bit short and that was a little bit short and sweet, got to bring in sweet, but i've got to bring in my before of the my panel before the end of the show. emma, would you house a migrant home is this migrant in your home or is this a red herring? >> i wouldn't. and i think >> no, i wouldn't. and i think that is an absolutely crazy that this is an absolutely crazy suggestion. the british public have and time again have time and time again expressed their desire for this outrageous situation with illegal channel crossings to be taken under control and for

migration to be taken under control. so the idea that the government now should suggest that the british people should take these people into their homes is i think absolutely homes is i think is absolutely ludicrous . i don't think it's ludicrous. i don't think it's safe a lot of the people that are coming in, we don't particularly with the illegal crossings, necessarily crossings, we don't necessarily know migrants crossings, we don't necessarily kn0\we've migrants crossings, we don't necessarily kn0\we've seen migrants crossings, we don't necessarily kn0\we've seen lots migrants crossings, we don't necessarily kn0\we've seen lots of migrants crossings, we don't necessarily kn0\we've seen lots of casesjrants are. we've seen lots of cases where people have, you know, gone to on commit certain crimes or whatever. so you know, i just think that this is a ludicrous suggestion. and i think that even who like to preach even people who like to preach about thing, like about this sort of thing, like lily lineker, lily allen and gary lineker, wouldn't actually be put their lily allen and gary lineker, wouldnwhere ally be put their lily allen and gary lineker, wouldnwhere theire put their lily allen and gary lineker, wouldnwhere their mouth heir lily allen and gary lineker, wouldnwhere their mouth isir lily allen and gary lineker, wouldnwhere their mouth is on money where their mouth is on this. joe. well for a start, gary lineker has got refugees and has housed refugees . and has housed refugees. >> so i think, come on, you don't need to defend gary lineker. you don't to do lineker. you don't need to do you he's a bit annoying . you know, he's a bit annoying. >> my apologies to gary lineker. >> my apologies to gary lineker. >> to say >> you don't need to say untruths people either untruths about people either when here to defend. untruths about people either wh so. >> which is more than what i've done. >> yes, but then i don't break. >> yes, but then i don't break.

>> i do. >> i do. >> i do. >> i agree with emma that this is utterly ludicrous because it's ludicrous that we should have got to this stage where hundreds and people, thousands of people are waiting for years and years and years at enormous cost to to us, have their asylum applications processed. and it's utterly ridiculous that the government, after 13 years hasn't got a grip of this. the figures have been rising , figures have been rising, rising, rising. the only thing that changes the appalling risk to life of people crossing the channel at, you know, at huge cost and huge risk is when the weather's bad that nothing that the government has done or is proposing is to going alter that it is the weather . and i think it is the weather. and i think unless the government gets a grip on dealing with the backlog, which means either, yes , you can stay, in which case you can become an active, useful or economically . or economically. >> but it's not just the backlog that's the issue. that's a huge issue, of course, but it's also just the numbers that are coming

through. i'm not sure any country would able to deal country would be able to deal swiftly that number. swiftly with that number. >> you haven't got >> but you haven't got a conveyor belt going and the length of time is just. >> may i make one other final point as to why this is a ludicrous suggestion. one of the policies the government policies that the government wants is to prioritise wants to do is to prioritise women idea women and children. the idea that that that refugees will then be brought into people's homes not just unsafe homes is it's not just unsafe for the people who are bringing people into their homes. they don't necessarily the don't know necessarily the government don't necessarily have much information those have much information on those people not safe people. but it's also not safe for are going into for those who are going into those don't those homes and don't necessarily who that necessarily know who it is that has volunteered. they'd have has volunteered. so they'd have to be a whole vetting process for it. >> and mean, they forit. >>and >> and i, i mean, they just lump everyone hotels. everyone together in hotels. >> not >> and so people presumably not so either. so safe either. >> unaccompanied women and children coming from particularly islamic countries are going to want to stay, are not going to want to stay, be housed with a single man. no. >> well , there is that. i mean, >> well, there is that. i mean, it's not ideal all round backlog and we need a deterrent, in my humble . now, on the humble opinion. now, on the trans pacific trade deal that tom harwood, our political

reporter, getting very reporter, was getting very excited the cptpp patricia excited about the cptpp patricia says anything that brings sales for britain has got to be good . for britain has got to be good. the future is in this area . it's the future is in this area. it's not the european union . i would not the european union. i would like access to both markets and collins says we shouldn't talk down this magnificent trade deal down this magnificent trade deal. well done to the tories for once . yes, this is a rare for once. yes, this is a rare win for the conservative government. they've been taking a of a bit bashing a bit of a bit of a bashing lately, christine says. we need to the deal to know more about the deal before this before we get to excited. this sounds like phillips. what sounds like joe phillips. what doesit sounds like joe phillips. what does it mean to the ordinary working what have we working person? what have we got to we have to to offer? what do we have to give very good points. give away? very good points. there trade when there are always trade offs when it deals. keep it comes to trade deals. keep your in. subscribe it comes to trade deals. keep yo youtube, in. subscribe it comes to trade deals. keep yo youtube, follow in. subscribe it comes to trade deals. keep yo youtube, follow in. on bscribe it comes to trade deals. keep yo youtube, follow in. on twitter to youtube, follow us on twitter . we're at gb news. that's it from me today. but stay tuned because nana has just arrived on the sofa. and from what i've heard, smashing show heard, she's got a smashing show coming up. >> well, hope so. i hope so, >> well, i hope so. i hope so, because we're talking about the ctpt excellent option to say that. and of course, ben wallace has decided that, you know, i

kind of when i hear these people stepping down, i sort of think, i don't think you guys are going to win anyway, but that's really honourable of him to do that. i love his comments about zelenskyy and amazon of the zelenskyy and the amazon of the west. them the west. we're giving them all the weapons, be weapons, but we're going to be discussing of discussing that plus loads of net loads things going net zero loads of things going on in this. >> excellent. i love it when you talk net zero. best talk about net zero. best subject watching subject you've been watching and listening sunday with listening to gb news sunday with me, thank you very me, emily carver. thank you very much don't go much forjoining us. don't go anywhere of anywhere though. nana is, of course, up next. but first, let's a look at the weather let's take a look at the weather with jonathan. temperature with jonathan. the temperature is rising. >> boxt proud sponsors of >> boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there . i'm jonathan >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your latest gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. july's relatively showery theme will be continuing over the next few days. low pressure is gradually pushing its way off towards the north, so the winds will be easing. but for the time being, southern scotland down southern areas of scotland down into could southern areas of scotland down into see could southern areas of scotland down into see some could southern areas of scotland down into see some blustery could southern areas of scotland down into see some blustery windsi still see some blustery winds into start this evening. into the start of this evening. some longer spells of rain for northern western scotland.

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