classic to win his five set classic to win his first wimbledon title. alcaraz lost the first set six one to djokovic, but he won the next two. now, djokovic, the defending champion, took the fourth set. so the match went to a decider, but he was broken early in the fifth and never recovered. and alcaraz, the world one, taking the world number one, taking the final set, six four for his second grand slam title . second grand slam title. djokovic was bidding to equal roger federer's record eight wimbledon victories and equal margaret court's overall record of 24 grand slam singles titles. a little earlier , the picture of a little earlier, the picture of the man you're just looking at there was the 17 year old henry searle, who became the first british player to win the boys title at wimbledon since 1962. europe is bracing for more severe heat amid predictions of the warmest temperatures ever experienced on the continent. while fires are continuing to burn on the spanish island of la palma in the canaries. at least 4000 people have been evacuated and as a result, with almost

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professor of criminology, joe phoenix is here to discuss the rise in violent activism . and rise in violent activism. and after justin welby said universities should have their funding cut if they fail to protect minorities. we're going to be asking sociologist frank furedi of furedi if the archbishop of canterbury should just keep his nose politics altogether nose out of politics altogether ehhen nose out of politics altogether either. course myself and either. and of course myself and my panel will be my wonderful panel will be answering from our answering questions from our beautiful studio audience. so my guest are comedians guest this evening are comedians josh howie and victor daniels . josh howie and victor daniels. and, victor, it's your first time on the show. >> yeah, i'm nervous. i didn't know they were going to be this close. i'm the audience. they are. >> and they do bite. yeah, they do. they're terrifying individuals. how you, individuals. yeah how are you, josh? week, mate. >> why? my wife left me for a few days , and it was a joke. few days, and it was a joke. well, she . she left on holiday. well, she. she left on holiday. oh, right. yeah fine. but. and yeah, it was a nightmare. >> it's got very serious, very quickly. >> yeah, it was. it was just like having to actually take care of my own children was quite. >> you've got enough of them,

josh, if you don't know, has five children. i mean that's enough. no. now. enough. no. for now. >> now. oh, fine. okay. so >> for now. oh, fine. okay. so it's a tough week. okay. that doesn't sense joke. doesn't make sense as a joke. >> no, it just sounds quite creepy. yeah, i'm sorry about that. >> i apologise that was a bit strange. >> we're going to get some questions from our audience, but actually, also actually, we've also got questions you at home. questions from you guys at home. this sent in by monica. this one was sent in by monica. don't many don't know. don't see many monikers these do you? monikers these days, do you? it's a good name. should school kids to choose their it's a good name. should school kids and to choose their it's a good name. should school kids and gender? choose their it's a good name. should school kids and gender? okay.e their it's a good name. should school kids and gender? okay. so 1eir it's a good name. should school kids and gender? okay. so isir it's a good name. should school kids and gender? okay. so i know name and gender? okay. so i know why this been asked, because why this has been asked, because this story this week. this was a big story this week. this official guidance coming this is official guidance coming out government and out from the uk government and it they've basically been it means they've basically been trying to clarify what's been going schools. it going on in schools. and it means will have to means that teachers will have to refer children only the refer to children only by the name and pronoun they want. if the have consent the parents have given consent and also wear the and children can also wear the opposite uniform. if the opposite sex uniform. if the schools parents but schools and parents agree. but on if a child on the other hand, if a child claims to be the opposite sex, it doesn't mean that the boy can go toilets. it's a go into a girl's toilets. it's a bit confused, actually, all of these guidelines, isn't it? josh yeah, confusing. yeah, it's very confusing. >> it doesn't really

>> and also it doesn't really 100% like clear 100% make like whether clear whether you have to speak, you have to address the child because you know, it's not just boy, man. and he she there's because you know, it's not just boy, they and he she there's because you know, it's not just boy, they them he she there's because you know, it's not just boy, they them and 1e there's because you know, it's not just boy, they them and gija ere's because you know, it's not just boy, they them and gija and. because you know, it's not just boy, they them and gija and all also they them and gija and all of the other staff. also, if of the other staff. and also, if you're critical teacher you're a gender critical teacher , it goes against your , like if it goes against your beliefs to address someone as they then yes. do you have to do it? >> well i mean if you're an engush >> well i mean if you're an english teacher and you have to address a singular person by they then you then you'd they then surely you then you'd have correct grammar have to correct your own grammar and embarrassing. yeah and it'd be embarrassing. yeah get fired. yeah. it's difficult, isn't it? because mean, isn't it? because i mean, are we. encroaching on we. is this a encroaching on free speech in a way? because, say, teacher and you say, you're a teacher and you don't gender don't believe in gender identity, and they're identity, ideology, and they're telling to telling you, but you've got to use made pronoun yours. use these made up pronoun yours. but then you have to say it. >> personally, i think >> i think personally, i think it's out of order and it it's bang out of order and it shouldn't be allowed. and if it is allowed to, all the teachers out there, i think they should charge teachers charge more because teachers know someone. know if i'm calling someone. louise next week you're louise and then next week you're telling i have call him telling me i have to call him simon. want more money. simon. i want more money. well, you more money you should have more money because remember. because it's a lot to remember. it's a lot to remember. yeah, it's confusing. it's a lot to remember. yeah, it's con badlg. it's a lot to remember. yeah, it's con bad enough

>> it's bad enough because i used a teacher, and i know used to be a teacher, and i know that to learn, like, that you have to learn, like, 200 names every year, right? 200 new names every year, right? if you've learn twice as if you've got to learn twice as many that's really going if you've got to learn twice as m'be that's really going if you've got to learn twice as m'be a that's really going if you've got to learn twice as m'be a problem,t's really going if you've got to learn twice as m'be a problem, isn't ally going if you've got to learn twice as m'be a problem, isn't it?! going if you've got to learn twice as m'be a problem, isn't it? moreg to be a problem, isn't it? more money? money, then. money? yeah, more money, then. is solution? money? yeah, more money, then. is yeah. solution? money? yeah, more money, then. is yeah. sollstrikes. that's >> yeah. more strikes. that's what we need. >> strikes. that's what we >> more strikes. that's what we need. josh started on need. don't get josh started on that. very upset about that. he's very upset about strikes doing that. he's very upset about strikejob. doing that. he's very upset about strikejob. generally doing that. he's very upset about strikejob. generally we'reioing that. he's very upset about strikejob. generally we're going that. he's very upset about strmove. generally we're going that. he's very upset about strmove onenerally we're going that. he's very upset about strmove on torally we're going that. he's very upset about strmove on to any we're going that. he's very upset about strmove on to an emaile going to move on to an email which came in from eunice. eunice. i think that's right. eunice is keir bed with the eco keir starmer in bed with the eco zealots. this was interesting zealots. so this was interesting because starmer apparently it's been discovered that he met with representatives just representatives of just stop oil. came to in have a chat oil. they came to in have a chat and to and it's kind of difficult to we don't what in this don't know what was said in this meeting. had debate meeting. and we had a debate about on headliners the about this on on headliners the other night. says other night. leo kerr says i'm sure imagine very sure you imagine is very sceptical about this because some funders just stop some of the funders of just stop oil a lot to oil have given quite a lot of to money party. he money the labour party. so he thinks of thinks there's some kind of influence there. yeah. influence going on there. yeah. do that's right? it's fraud. >> i mean, i read it and they said million. yeah. if >> i mean, i read it and they saidpaying.lion. yeah. if >> i mean, i read it and they saidpaying the. yeah. if >> i mean, i read it and they saidpaying the labour if >> i mean, i read it and they saidpaying the labour party,: >> i mean, i read it and they saidpaying the labour party, 1.5 i'm paying the labour party, 1.5 million, access to million, i expect access to policies. their wives , the wi—fi policies. their wives, the wi—fi code. i want it all. 1.5 million. i think that's a bargain . yeah. for the 1.5 bargain. yeah. for the 1.5 million. >> yeah. but but that's the

thing. we don't know. i i see it this way. if you, if i was a sort of just stop oil activist with a lot of money, like millions of pounds, i would probably party probably give it to the party that was in that i thought was already in my sort ballpark think sort of ballpark and i think that would so i don't that would be labour. so i don't know we can assume that know whether we can assume that the money paying labour the money is paying for labour to policy. i don't to change its policy. i don't think you to change its policy. i don't thin someone you to change its policy. i don't thin someone 1.5 you to change its policy. i don't thin someone 1.5 million you to change its policy. i don't thin someone 1.5 million and u to change its policy. i don't thin someone 1.5 million and they pay someone 1.5 million and they do a policy goes against do a policy that goes against what then what's what you believe in, then what's the the 1.5 million? the point in the 1.5 million? >> money. >> yeah, it's a waste of money. >> yeah, it's a waste of money. >> absolutely. do you >> absolutely. yeah. what do you think, i mean, think, josh? i mean, i mean, we don't know don't like i say, we don't know what said in the meeting. what was said in the meeting. you know, he didn't meet directly, way, with directly, by the way, with them. >> of assistants. >> it was one of his assistants. oh one of assistants. oh it was one of his assistants. >> fine. thank >> okay, fine. well, thank you for clarifying that. but the point that keir point about this is that keir starmer quite starmer has been quite unflattering starmer has been quite unfltclearlg starmer has been quite unfltclear how annoying he finds them. >> but also it makes sense to why not send someone out, find out what demands are as out what their demands are as such. out what their demands are as such . yeah. and to see if you such. yeah. and to see if you can way reach some kind can in any way reach some kind of stop of compromise to stop them. i mean, with mean, let's communicate with people. . people. i agree. >> and that's maybe we don't have blown out this have to be blown out into this big that the pocket big deal that he's in the pocket of just oil, stop oil or

of big just oil, stop oil or whatever it is. >> yeah, i don't buy this idea that anyone pays any money that anyone who pays any money towards a political party gets some clout for what they do. >> illegal nigeria. >> it's illegal in nigeria. >> it's illegal in nigeria. >> it's illegal to pay money to a political party. >> so those are missing a political party. >> swhatse are missing a political party. >> swhat are are missing a political party. >> swhat are they are missing a political party. >> swhat are they doingnissing a political party. >> swhat are they doing ?ssing a political party. >> swhat are they doing ? youl out. what are they doing? you know, that's. know, honestly, that's. >> deemed fraud some >> it's deemed fraud in some countries. this country , they >> but in this country, they need the parties rely need it. like the parties rely on . on donations. >> absolutely they >> it's absolutely clear they should another of should figure out another way of doing should a whist >> they should maybe a whist drive. >> they should maybe a whist dnve. go drive. yeah something like go fund drive. yeah something like go fun okay well let's go on to >> okay well let's go on to let's go on to another question how. >> now. >> this is from our audience. we've audience we've got an audience member called peter. where's peter? >> this question is >> hi, peter. this question is for oh, so as a man, will for you. oh, so as a man, will you be throwing your hat into the the next miss the ring to be the next miss england ? england? >> well, mean, i should. >> well, i mean, i should. i have skills. i want world have many skills. i want world peace and i'd. anyway, this is. sorry, it's not all about me. this is, of course, about miss netherlands. and this is a this incredible news, this transgender woman. so biological male, identifies as a woman, as a woman has won. miss netherlands , as the article netherlands, as the article says, it broke boundaries . women

says, it broke boundaries. women are getting a bit fed up with this, though, aren't they, josh? >> yeah, but the women who >> yeah, but not the women who are the stage, right? >> but the women the >> but the women in the competition, happy >> but the women in the compethis.1, happy about this. >> all like, yeah, >> they were all like, yeah, this but then they this is amazing. but then they would anybody. would do that for anybody. >> a bit like when >> well, it's a bit like when leah the swimming leah thomas won the swimming competition the competition and a lot of the women participated were women who participated were cheering her progressive cheering to show her progressive they still they were, but they still lost out medal. did. out on the gold medal. they did. >> then, lot the >> and since then, a lot of the people team come people in that team have come forward complaining are forward and complaining and are actually but this actually suing now. yes but this i mean, look, beauty is subjective . but yes, she is not subjective. but yes, she is not the fittest person there . the fittest person there. >> you should judge it. >> you should judge it. >> of course i should. and i think that the people who did vote her should sleep with her. >> that's an interesting development. >> that's an interesting you know what i mean? and then to sort of prove rather than prove they're worthy. yes, that sense. >> mean, if she's up for it, >> i mean, if she's up for it, if that makes sense. >> listen. >> listen. >> you m. m.- >> but, you know, like josh says , these people cheering and , all these people cheering and they're you they're in the competition, you know, they're know, that secretly they're thinking you thinking, of course, you shouldn't be here.

>> they should be thinking >> what they should be thinking is a man to is how ugly are we for a man to win over a women's pageant? >> exactly . >> well, exactly. >> well, exactly. >> they need a var or a recount or . or something. >> not offended by >> how are they not offended by this exactly. another this? exactly. there was another one of these an american one of these in an american university they had was university where they had it was like beauty like a university beauty pageant. was bloke pageant. and there was a bloke there like who was like massive , you know, i'm not fattest or anything . like just really huge, anything. like just really huge, like frump . yeah. in like a complete frump. yeah. in this and all these this ball gown and all these sort of very dainty, beautiful young women. and he won and he won. i mean, won. oh wow. and, i mean, they're cheering because if they're all cheering because if they're all cheering because if they cheer, they're they're all cheering because if they they'reer, they're they're all cheering because if they they're called're bigots. they're called transphobic . how transphobic and hateful. how about they're just realists, right? , yeah, as right? i mean, yeah, but but as you say , that person won. you say, that person won. >> then, course , there's >> and then, of course, there's something there's mixed messages here these here because, of course, these beauty are seen beauty pageants are seen as being of part of the being sort of part of the patriarchy and they're outdated , misogynistic anyway. it's , misogynistic anyway. so it's suddenly like man winning suddenly like a man is winning this patriarchal competition. >> so beauty contests are patriarchal and outdated unless there's a man involved , then there's a man involved, then it's progressive. that's the that's the world we live in. is

that's the world we live in. is that how this works? >> how did he enter? can i enter? you can enter victor gao easily. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> you won. >> yeah. >> you just. non. >> yeah. >> you just. you want it. >> you just. you just want it. okay so we're going to move on to now. to a question now. >> this was sent in via twitter. never good sign, but it's never a good sign, but it's been sent lucy says if my sent in by lucy. lucy says if my kid confrontation, kid avoids confrontation, could this lead to genocide ? okay, so this lead to genocide? okay, so i know what this is. that sounds like a cryptic riddle, but this is to do with this. children in church of england schools being taught a pyramid taught there's a pyramid of white is an old white supremacy. this is an old anti racism theory that effectively it's like a kind of thin end of the wedge theory. and i've seen the pyramid and it suggests if you don't, suggests that if you don't, there's picture pyramid there's a picture of the pyramid right do something right there. if you do something as confronting as innocuous as not confronting racism , that there's like a racism, that there's like a slippery slope to genocide. isn't that bit extreme? like isn't that a bit extreme? like going from one to the other? >> it sounds a bit it is a bit extreme, especially when you're teaching children. teaching it to children. yeah, but yeah, don't that, kids. but yeah, don't do that, kids. >> end up wiping out >> you might end up wiping out a whole race. >> but if look through >> but if you look through history, i mean, rwanda, slavery, i mean there is

something there. but to teach it, kids, mean, kids just it, the kids, i mean, kids just want to know how to play minecraft. they minecraft. well, they do. >> isn't a pyramid white >> and isn't a pyramid of white supremacy, that supremacy, is that not culturally egypt? culturally appropriating egypt? because that's where the pyramids come from, right? >> you've lost me on that one. one. >> one. >> okay. what do you think, josh? >> e“- em.- >> i was like, whoa. yeah. >> i was like, whoa. yeah. >> and i think they control about to 90 schools and all about 80 to 90 schools and all but two of them are church of england. in this area, england. yeah. in this area, this diocese or whatever. and and 2—2 but two are and i think 2—2 but two are primary schools. okay. so they're teaching to young they're teaching this to young kids . i don't like the idea of kids. i don't like the idea of teaching thing. yeah. ethnic difference at that age. like i know it's part of the world, but you don't want them to start seeing these things, these, these different you want them to treat each human beings treat each other as human beings and about race. and not think about race. >> lot of people are a lot >> and a lot of people are a lot of children don't see race. >> are you >> they really don't. are you teaching them ? they don't >> they really don't. are you teachi give them ? they don't >> they really don't. are you teachi give a. them ? they don't really give a. >> there a story on >> so there was a story on headliners other week about headliners the other week about this there was a school this because there was a school that had for that had they had funding for extra for that extra classes for kids that aren't they said aren't doing well, but they said that only minority that only ethnic minority kids could so basically could go in there. so basically the who weren't doing

could go in there. so basically the weren't who weren't doing could go in there. so basically the weren't allowed eren't doing could go in there. so basically the weren't allowed .ren't doing could go in there. so basically the weren't allowed .ren't djust well weren't allowed. and i just think kids by skin think segregating kids by skin colour old fashioned , colour call me old fashioned, but i think that's quite bad. yeah. personally when you look at they're racist i >> -- >> it's taught m- >> it's taught to them by society . so schools society. yeah. so the schools are part of that problem. yeah. >> i we need to maybe are part of that problem. yeah. >> i are we need to maybe are part of that problem. yeah. >> i are bettereed to maybe are part of that problem. yeah. >> i are better ways. maybe are part of that problem. yeah. >> i are better ways. youvbe are part of that problem. yeah. >> i are better ways. you know, there are better ways. you know, i confront racism as and i think confront racism as and when teach i think confront racism as and when theories teach i think confront racism as and when theories to teach i think confront racism as and when theories to kidsteach i think confront racism as and when theories to kids that| i think confront racism as and when theories to kids that sort these theories to kids that sort of hyper racialized society . of hyper racialized society. that's my view. of hyper racialized society. thayeah,r view. of hyper racialized society. thayeah, absolutely. and look, >> yeah, absolutely. and look, they school and their they my kids school and their primary teach them primary school, they teach them about slavery. teach them about slavery. they teach them the and they the history of it. and they also teach each different figures from , um, black british history from, um, black british history and black american history. so that's like, there's that's all good. like, there's nothing wrong difference nothing wrong with difference differences is a good thing. but when you start making it about victimisation and making it a hierarchy like that, i think that's where the issue comes in. it's too deep. it is too deep. >> i've got a friend who's a teacher who this visiting speaker came and took the speaker came in and took all the black the class and black kids out of the class and sat them down and explained to them they were. them how oppressed they were. and like, and they were all like, why can't and they were all like, why cant be and they were all like, why can't be here? and they were all like, why can"their be here? and they were all like, why can"theirfriendsbe here? and they were all like, why can"their friends were here? and they were all like, why can"their friends were like,? and their friends were like, why aren't and it

aren't we in with them? and it caused big thing. it's caused this big thing. it's like, let's not do like, let's not let's not do this. okay? right. we got a question and is from question now, and this is from our where's dale? our audience. dale where's dale? hi. . hi. hi, dale. >> do you think we need a for minister men? >> so you might >> okay, so you might have seen this on the channel a bit earlier. this was catherine fletcher. minister for fletcher. she was minister for women she women under liz truss and she was by gloria de was interviewed by gloria de piero, made the claim piero, and she made the claim that we need a minister for men. i think we might have the clip. have got that? have we? have we got that? >> gets anywhere by >> nobody gets anywhere by bashing down. you know , bashing one down. you know, there's some historic wrongs to. right. some things right. but there are some things in of men that really do in terms of men that really do need on them . you know, need a focus on them. you know, mental health, suicide, you know, male role models. so personally, i'd have both or have it explicit within have a men's health explicit somewhere within a ministerial portfolio . within a ministerial portfolio. >> so what do we think about this, victor? because obviously the logic is with having a minister for women and equalities, you know, looking out for people who have been historically marginal and that kind that makes sense. and

kind of that makes sense. and the this would the argument against this would surely have always surely be that men have always pretty it good . and so pretty much had it good. and so why we need a special why do we need a special minister had minister for we have always had it good. minister for we have always had it gbut recently we aren't having >> but recently we aren't having it don't women it good. you don't think women are earning more than some are earning more money than some men relationships? that's men in relationships? so that's a men to take. a lot for men to take. >> i think actually the >> well, i think actually the statistics that of statistics show that in terms of the younger between the younger generation between 20 and 30 women generally earn more their more than than their counterparts. yeah, but nevertheless, this might ruffle a few feathers to have a minister for men. they that minister for men. they say that men specific problems like men have specific problems like higher rate, more mental higher suicide rate, more mental illness, this kind of thing. so is more homelessness, that is it more homelessness, that kind you think is it more homelessness, that kind any you think is it more homelessness, that kind any foru think is it more homelessness, that kind any for thi57ik is it more homelessness, that kind any for this? yeah, absolutely. >> and less men going to university than as university now than women as well. been well. a women have been outperforming men years outperforming men for 25 years in university. >> there is an issue there. >> so there is an issue there. it's really interesting because it seems like the last 20 or 30, 40 years have been about making men and women the same. yes. and actually , through whole actually, through this whole gender debate debate, it's like , 0h, gender debate debate, it's like , oh, finally, we can acknowledge that there are differences between men and women are certain women and there are certain situations and that need to

situations that and that need to be addressed for men and for women. and i feel like when we get through the craziness of what's going the last what's been going on in the last five, years, maybe that we five, ten years, maybe that we can start talking in can actually start talking in a healthier place and acknowledge those then grow those differences and then grow beyond those differences and then grow beyvery interesting. okay well, >> very interesting. okay well, look, break on free look, after the break on free speech professor of speech nation professor of criminology phoenix will be criminology joe phoenix will be here discuss an apparent rise here to discuss an apparent rise in violent activism. first, though, it's the weather . that though, it's the weather. that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers >> proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here. your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. i hope you able to enjoy your weekend. it has been a rather blustery for many a rather blustery one for many of as we come to the end of us, but as we come to the end of us, but as we come to the end of sunday, low pressure is pushing way towards pushing its way off towards scandinavia, allowing those isobars to widen and the isobars to widen out and the winds easing throughout winds will be easing throughout this overnight . this evening and overnight. still, though, some showers lingering primarily across western areas of england and wales, but more persistently

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radio. welcome back to free speech nation. >> last weekend at the london trans pride march, sarah jane baker , a violent male ex—con who baker, a violent male ex—con who identifies as a trans woman, took to the stage and said this was going to come here and be really fluffy and be really nice and say, yeah, be really lovely and say, yeah, be really lovely and queer and gay. >> no , if you see a bunch of in >> no, if you see a bunch of in the . face the. face >> so to discuss the apparent rise in violent activism . please rise in violent activism. please welcome author and professor of criminology , joe phoenix . joe,

criminology, joe phoenix. joe, that clip went viral, obviously for very good reason. one of the most disturbing aspects of that clip is not even so much what sarah jane baker said from that podium about punching women in the but that it got a huge the face. but that it got a huge cheer from the crowd. what's going on there? >> 100. and in fact , when i saw >> 100. and in fact, when i saw that, that was the first thing that, that was the first thing that struck me. i mean, people like me and others have heard that of expletive and that that sort of expletive and that sort of violence. a million times in the last five times before in the last five years. sadly and i find what the most disturbing aspect was , was most disturbing aspect was, was precisely that hoop that went up afterwards . but more than afterwards. but more than anything else , after that thing anything else, after that thing went viral , we then had a went viral, we then had a complaint to the police and they say, well, the police failed after the complaint was made, not quite. the police failed at that moment . there were that moment. there were policemen at the there were policemen at the there were police there watching the watching this event. precisely. and nobody said anything. nobody did anything . we have a couple

did anything. we have a couple of legal problems which i don't want to dwell on because i really want to talk about the reaction to what's happened. if you inhabit particular quarters of the of the twitter sphere. yes what we've seen on, if you like, the other side is perhaps the most shocking thing and very disturbing. normalising version of violence against women that i've seen for a very long time . i've seen for a very long time. >> well, there's a few things to unpack there. i mean, let's start with some of the responses. have said, well, this kind happens both kind of thing happens on both sides debate. the clive sides of the debate. the clive lewis you this lewis said that you hear this kind of thing on both sides. i have never and watched have never and i've watched and read lot in this area. read an awful lot in this area. i've never seen a gender critical feminist call for a trans person to be violently attacked, punched in way, attacked, punched in any way, anything like that. and if something were to happen like that a women's speak event, i that at a women's speak event, i don't the crowd would don't think the crowd would cheer stop cheer. i think they would stop that from speaking. that person from speaking. >> be deeply >> i think they'd be deeply shocked with because shocked to begin with because we've all made a point, you know, it doesn't matter what

sort that you have sort of politics that you have within this movement. people have point to recognise have made a point to recognise the rights of transgender individuals. yes and that's just how it is. but so you talked about the fact that the mp said harm on both sides . yes. let me harm on both sides. yes. let me tell you a little bit about this . as a criminologist, we have something , a concept called something, a concept called techniques neutralisation techniques of neutralisation action now, techniques of neutralisation are a series of rhetorical devices . so the way rhetorical devices. so the way you reframe something so that you reframe something so that you basically deny the harm that's being done right. famously, a man called stan cohen wrote a book called states of denial , cohen wrote a book called states of denial, which was all about how how states acas deny the crimes that they do and they commit human atrocities. right. and there are five techniques of neutralisation . i just want to neutralisation. i just want to go through them because they're all present in what happened. interesting. so the very first one is denial of responsibility . it wasn't my fault. well, what we saw immediately from the trans pride organisers was we didn't invite, we didn't invite baker . yes. that came as part of baker. yes. that came as part of

an open mic. okay. then the second thing that you have is a denial of harm. well, it was just words , wasn't it, really? just words, wasn't it, really? nobody hurt . no just words, wasn't it, really? nobody hurt. no one was nobody was hurt. no one was really the object of it, even though it is classified as incitement to violence, technically , technically, but technically, technically, but incitement to violence, you need to have it an actual individual . right. so that crowd . right. so that broad crowd thing going to be public thing is going to be a public order offence . so yeah, they're order offence. so yeah, they're to going say, well, it's just words. and actually when baker spoke didn't actually spoke then baker didn't actually mean it. they deny the harm. mean it. so they deny the harm. then denial of the victim . then denial of the victim. that's the big one that we see here. well, terfs deserve it. and in fact, if you think about again from twitter, there were a lot of trans rights activists who were reposting eating that picture the polish woman who picture of the polish woman who tried to hit the with her handbag. yes, right. saying basically, you know, these aren't the real victims . we're aren't the real victims. we're the victims here. right so that's three techniques of neutralisation . then the fourth neutralisation. then the fourth technique of neutralisation is to condemn the condemners . to condemn the condemners. right. and of course, we saw

that in buckets and spades over the twitter sphere, particularly with the trans rights activists , where they were saying actually , this is righteous actually, this is righteous trans rage, right? that's all sarah jane baker was expressing was righteous trans rage . and was righteous trans rage. and then the very final one is an appeal to higher loyalty . and appeal to higher loyalty. and that's where we are right now . that's where we are right now. the appeal to higher loyalty is, well, this was done in the name of the good. and in fact , what of the good. and in fact, what we see from, again, that particular part of twitter is people talking about sarah jane baker as a political prisoner. okay >> now, but there was also a response from the young woman who glued herself to the floor when kathleen stock was speaking at the oxford union. she wrote a long thread, saying she was long thread, so saying she was saying, i don't justify violence or threats of violence. but what i'm saying is that we as a community are so under attack, subject you know, subject to whatever you know, phrases genocide has phrases such as genocide has been used denying existence of trans people, all these incredibly hyperbolic phrases that have a complete disconnect with reality . dodi when

with reality. dodi but when people use those extreme phrases, then i suppose they can justify violence as a form of self—defence. >> is that right? yeah absolutely, 100. but that's also absolutely, 100. but that's also a part of the condemning. the condemning gotcha , right. condemning as gotcha, right. and it's the of it's also part of the denial of responsible so us. responsible rmt. so it's not us. we're the ones under the attack. we're the ones under the attack. we're the ones under the attack. we're the real victims. now, the thing techniques of thing about these techniques of neutralisation is they're only ever used when the community that's using them know that what they're doing is incorrect. yeah right. you have to recognise it first to deny it. second. and that makes. which is a very interesting place to be at because in fact what we're seeing that rhetoric that's seeing is that rhetoric that's basically saying no, really, despite everything , it is okay despite everything, it is okay to punch a woman in a face. but it doesn't work, does it? >> i mean, we've seen actual physical assaults at the physical assaults at some of the let speak organised let women speak events organised by yeah , for kelly by posey. parker yeah, for kelly keene, that is, for instance in was it in melbourne, not in new zealand. yeah. and a 72 year old woman was punched in the face that was caught on camera. we've all seen this does not

all seen it and this does not endear anyone to these activists . no, no. >> and of course, it's just >> and of course, it's not just you in you know, things that happen in new zealand . can about an new zealand. i can talk about an event was actually at at event that i was actually at at the of february at the the beginning of february at the university college london, a ucl women's liberation wp uk conference and indeed sarah jane baker was there. and the real toxicity of that is that somebody like sarah jane baker whips up the protesters. yes, right . so there's a clip that's right. so there's a clip that's making its way around twitter. did where a young woman was shouting expletives , basically shouting expletives, basically saying, you know, f you get the f out of here and all this very, very hot atmosphere . and then, very hot atmosphere. and then, of course, what happened later on that afternoon is the protesters broke free from their enclosure , if you like. they enclosure, if you like. they went to go find the ground floor and the basement floor where the women were meeting in rooms . and women were meeting in rooms. and they were literally baying and banging at the windows. right. which and again , is also quite which and again, is also quite aggressive . but then afterwards,

aggressive. but then afterwards, aggressive. but then afterwards, a woman was actually assaulted by one of the protesters ears. so you know, we see this sort of violence happening all the time. and until and unless it's recognised as what it is, violence against women, right? yes >> perpetrated by men, perpetrated by men, more often than not. >> yes. >> yes. >> but that's another interesting point, isn't it, insofar as this kind of aggressive violent behaviour is far more common amongst men. i mean, crime statistics mean, the crime statistics reveal that indisputably . and reveal that indisputably. and yet this is a group of people who are trying we're who are trying to say, but we're women anyone else . yeah, who are trying to say, but we're womesurely anyone else . yeah, who are trying to say, but we're womesurely that'se else . yeah, who are trying to say, but we're womesurely that's undermining well, surely that's undermining their , isn't it? their own point, isn't it? >> think you'd >> well, you'd think so. you'd think . but of course, because think so. but of course, because they higher they have an appeal to higher loyalty. doing it in loyalty. yes. we're doing it in the of trans rights . the name of trans rights. >> how could it be for >> but how hard could it be for some trans some of the prominent trans activists say, we condemn all activists to say, we condemn all violence? know , we see with violence? you know, we see with the situation where all the rowling situation where all of the death threats and rape threats are going one way, they're from extreme they're coming from extreme trans activists who by way, they're coming from extreme t|don't ctivists who by way, they're coming from extreme t|don't thinks who by way, they're coming from extreme t|don't think represent way, they're coming from extreme t|don't think represent transay, i don't think represent trans people as a whole at all. i agree they're a minority of very aggressive violent people aggressive and violent people who doing more

who are, i think, doing more harm to trans people. harm than good to trans people. but it come the but we don't see it come the other we don't see gender other way. we don't see gender critical rape other way. we don't see gender critiideath rape other way. we don't see gender critiideath threats. rape other way. we don't see gender critiideath threats. that rape other way. we don't see gender critiideath threats. that simply and death threats. that simply doesn't everyone and death threats. that simply doe that. everyone and death threats. that simply doe that. so everyone and death threats. that simply doe that. so why everyone and death threats. that simply doe that. so why can'teryone and death threats. that simply doe that. so why can't the ne see that. so why can't the activists say, look, we know you can what's going on, can see what's going on, acknowledge reality, then acknowledge reality, then acknowledge that that violence is wrong and then go from there. >> well, that's really >> well, that's a really interesting is interesting one. so there is somebody on twitter, a trans rights has rights activist who has distanced themselves utterly from the sort of violent rhetoric . however, one of the rhetoric. however, one of the reasons it becomes very difficult for them to distance themselves in the fashion that you're suggesting is because then they'd have to confront that called male pattern that thing called male pattern offending and they'd have to recognise that actually even within their ranks as an, you know, male people who identify as women that we don't know and probably suspect that even though they identify as women , though they identify as women, it doesn't override that historic pattern of male violence. >> is that right ? so violence. >> is that right? so the violence. >> is that right ? so the pattern >> is that right? so the pattern is retained. we don't know. >> there's only been one proper study that's been done, and it's very, very small. and it's very

local. and that's one of the questions that we desperately need to ask. what is this relationship between gender identity and biological sex? because certainly in the area of crime, the sex pattern , asian to crime, the sex pattern, asian to offending is so great as to be perhaps the only true fact we have in criminology. okay >> well, there's an awful lot to go into here. i'm sure we'll have you back. joe phoenix, thanks so much forjoining me. thank . coming up on free thank you. coming up on free speech nation, we're going to be meeting the writer and editor who says she's lost work because of her gender critical views. see you shortly . we

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and victor daniels. we're going to your to help you deal with your unfiltered dilemmas. so just email us at gb views gb news dotcom. sorry, no .uk . we'll try dotcom. sorry, no .uk. we'll try our best to answer your issues now on the show. we're often bringing you the stories of people who've been cancelled publicly my publicly for their views. my next guest claims she lost work because of her gender critical beliefs . sybil ruth is a writer beliefs. sybil ruth is a writer and editor who, until last year was working for cornerstone's literary consultancy as one of its core editors . but the work its core editors. but the work started to dry up after, she says a member of staff took objection comments sybil objection to comments that sybil had expressed on twitter. i'm delighted to say that sybil ruth joins me thanks much for joins me now. thanks so much for joining me. >> so you were working at this literary consultancy. >> do you want to tell us exactly what happened you ? exactly what happened to you? >> okay. well, said that the >> okay. well, you said that the work was actually work dried up. it was actually more it was more dramatic than that. it was really, sudden . i get really, really sudden. i get given particular clients to work with. i'll work on a manuscript or i'll work with a writer over a longer period , a slightly longer period, helping to make their work helping them to make their work publishable was

publishable. and i was just given client . i thought, given a new client. i thought, great. i started reading the manuscript. getting ready to manuscript. i'm getting ready to do a report. yes contacted the agency saying, oh, can you just ask them to send the file in a different format? and what they said to me is actually well, hang on, on. no, no. hang on, hang on. no, no, no. you're working on this. you're not working on this. there's mistake . and i there's been a mistake. and i thought, this is really weird because that's never happened before. it's not something that's supposed to happen. but i thought an thought maybe there was an administrative error that they're just perhaps, you know, sent sent it to the wrong editor by mistake . and they weren't by mistake. and they weren't very apologetic. thought , very apologetic. but i thought, okay, see what happens. yes. a couple of weeks later, i thought , i'm still a bit worried. couple of weeks later, i thought , i'm still a bit worried . maybe , i'm still a bit worried. maybe i'm not flavour of the month. so i'm not flavour of the month. so i thought, well, i'll go on the website and i'll just tweak my profile a bit to make sure that all my experience has been is being rated. and i found being highly rated. and i found i'd disappeared . you know, i'd disappeared. you know, they'd taken me off the website from the literary consultancy from the literary consultancy from cornerstone . yeah, that's from cornerstone. yeah, that's right. so i mean, it sort of

felt like a kind of strange dream, you know, i kind of kept checking over and, know, are checking over and, you know, are they re—editing redoing they re—editing, redoing the website? else is website? no. everybody else is there, but. but not me. so they hadnt there, but. but not me. so they hadn't told you they're eliminating you the website. >> then presumably you asked >> and then presumably you asked what's right? >> and then presumably you asked what's yes right? >> and then presumably you asked what's yes so right? >> and then presumably you asked what's yes so it right? >> and then presumably you asked what's yes so it was:? >> and then presumably you asked what's yes so it was just >> yes. yes so it was just really straightforward. they said, we think we're said, well, we don't think we're going anymore. going to be using, you anymore. and good feedback and i was getting good feedback from yes. you know , from clients. yes. you know, and, you know, they just sent me some so sort on some work. so it was sort of on the one do some work for the one hand, do some work for us. on the other hand, we're disappearing did disappearing you. so did they volunteer any information as to why didn't want to use you why they didn't want to use you anymore? none whatsoever. anymore? no, none whatsoever. i mean, there had been an email that had gone around to all the editors , know, editors saying, you know, we reserve right to do not use reserve the right to do not use anybody who isn't in accordance with our values. and i wrote back to them saying, well, you know , values, equality know, values, you know, equality , diversity, inclusion, you know, all this is good . and i know, all this is good. and i did say that i felt i was concerned that sometimes the way in which that's interpreted means that sometimes debate is

can be suppressed. and i think it's very important for me as a gender critical feminist, you know, to be able to talk about what's going on at to women in society . yes. and i got a rather society. yes. and i got a rather cool reply saying that's been noted . you know, you know, i noted. you know, you know, i sort of said, you know, if there's any problem, you know, if to kind more if you want to kind of talk more about equality diversity in about equality and diversity in my views, you let's, you my views, you know, let's, you know, me. and was know, talk to me. and it was just noted. then it was just said noted. and then it was after that vanished after that that my i vanished from website . from the website. >> and was it confirmed >> and so how was it confirmed that it >> and so how was it confirmed thatitis >> and so how was it confirmed that it is because of those views that you hold they views that you hold that they have from the have removed you from the website. >> i contacted the free speech union because felt i didn't union because i felt i didn't really to say to them. really know what to say to them. i just very, very puzzled i was just very, very puzzled and i felt i needed a bit of advice forward. advice about how to go forward. the free speech union, who been absolutely marvellous, said do a subject you know subject access request. you know you've got the right when you've been somebody to been working for somebody to see, their internal see, you know, their internal communications . and communications about you. and that revealed that that you know there had been people saying is civil working on a project let's

get rid of her and wow okay so these were in emails and things like this and they were the sort of responses you give of responses that you might give if sticking if somebody had been sticking their the till or, you their hand in the till or, you know, being violently abusive to a something . so that's a client or something. so that's really, you know, then acas got involved. i was advised about employment tribunal procedures. yes. and now it's ended up i've got a tribunal coming up in september, which is in two stages. so sort of stage one is because when i joined cornerstone's , i there's an cornerstone's, i there's an agreement and i'm what's called an independent contractor for. yeah, that's a complicated one because independent contractor sounds great. i wasn't really that independent, but okay, you know that they are the people cornerstones were the people who drew up the contracts who decided what cut of the fee i got and really very much controlled how i worked. >> so you were working very much for them and with them? yes. and now they've decided they just don't. but but to what extent do

your personal beliefs mean that they are in violation of some kind of law here? >> when i'd actually >> well, when i'd actually emailed them, i talked sort of talking about, you know, the way in which i interpreted equality and diversity, inclusion . and i and diversity, inclusion. and i said, i know that there's been a bit of a clampdown on women being able to you know being able to discuss, you know , how they feel as women wanting women only spaces. what i think is really brilliant is that maya forstater has her case. you forstater has won her case. you know, it's , you know, a know, it's, you know, i'm a gender feminist and, gender critical feminist and, you know, beliefs are worthy you know, my beliefs are worthy of respect. you know, discussing that's important. it's completely the law. completely within the law. >> your beliefs are protected by lawabsolutely. so that because >> absolutely. so that because i'm a gender critical feminist and i talk about it, i it seemed to be that the beliefs i was expressing on twitter were being equated by cornerstones as is. i don't know. well, because they never gave me a proper explanation . it's a little explanation. it's a little difficult for me to know . difficult for me to know. >> what kind of things were you saying ? saying? >> i think i was talking about

my concerns about proposed reform to the gender recognition act. i think i tweet quite a lot about the importance of women only spaces. i live in birmingham . um, and you know, birmingham. um, and you know, for a lot of muslim women , for for a lot of muslim women, for them to be able to sort of, you know, go socialise, to know, go to, to socialise, to exercise, it's important that there are women only swimming sessions that there women only gyms. if those spaces if gyms. and if those spaces if become open to somebody according to how they are gender identity , then women you know identity, then women you know religious women aren't able to use those spaces of course. yes. and that's something which is i think should be of huge concern i >> -- >> and of course, we've had debates about prison accommodation, hospital accommodation, hospital accommodation , even domestic accommodation, even domestic violence refuge centres , those violence refuge centres, those kind of things where women's only spaces, it's obvious that they need to be preserved to preserve people's rights. >> i mean, a writer, >> but i mean, so i'm a writer, i'm editor, but i mean, i'm an editor, but i mean, i'm also a member society and also a member of society and i just, you know, want to be able to part in all the social to take part in all the social debates happening . and debates that are happening. and i expression is

i think freedom of expression is really important you weren't really important for you weren't being online or or being abusive online or or saying outrageous, saying these outrageous, horrible things. >> are the kind of i'd >> these are the kind of i'd never want to target an individual. >> for example, if i saw a photograph, i think one thing that i did that may have possibly this is there possibly triggered this is there was a photograph of a man with very pronounced 5:00 shadow, but of a more more feminine appearance . and somebody had appearance. and somebody had tweeted, you know, not quite what you want to see when you go in the ladies loo. yes. and my response had been nightmare, because situation because i think the situation for women is nightmarish . you for women is nightmarish. you know, we've always been told that we need look after that we need to look after ourselves. to keep ourselves. we need to keep ourselves. we need to keep ourselves and you ourselves safe and that, you know , any space where you're know, any space where you're undressing, you know, you're you're less safe, you're more vulnerable . but so but, you vulnerable. but so but, you know, it's no longer really possible to complain if your space is being violated because that, you know, you're at risk for male violence, but you're also at risk of being called transphobic and a bigot if you object to a male bodied person in your space.

>> and clearly also of >> and clearly also at risk of losing >> and clearly also at risk of losiyeah . yes. which seems rather >> yeah. yes. which seems rather high price to pay. and so i'm challenging the legality of their decision. so first of all, ineed their decision. so first of all, i need to clarify that although i need to clarify that although i signed, though not formally, i was an independent contractor, that really that is more a device by which some employers will try to avoid taking any kind of responsibility. >> so in terms of your case against them, we should say, where can people support you? obviously you've got a crowdfunder for this. yes >> there's a website called crowdjustice . and if you google crowdjustice. and if you google and google that and free speech rights or you put in my name, sybil, ruth , you'll be able to sybil, ruth, you'll be able to find details. and i know the free speech union have been tweeting about this as well. >> so you'll be able find >> so you'll be able to find it through speech union, through the free speech union, who fantastic who we're doing some fantastic work women work to defend women like yourself who are putting this position, people who are threatened with losing their jobs have jobs because they have an opinion protected law. opinion that's protected by law. >> mean, absolutely >> yes. and i mean, i absolutely believe we're at work

believe that when we're at work that need to respect full that we need to be respect full to our colleagues. we need to be respectful customers. respectful to our customers. but i also feel that when we're at home, when we're talking to our friends, when we're talking to people media, that we people on social media, that we need to able to express our need to be able to express our lawful opinion without lawful opinion ons without employers we don't like employers saying we don't like that, don't agree with that, that, we don't agree with that, you're that, we don't agree with that, youabsolutely . sybil, ruth, >> absolutely. sybil, ruth, thank you so much for joining >> absolutely. sybil, ruth, thank you so much forjoining us today. thank you so much forjoining us today . and after the break, on today. and after the break, on free speech nation author and academic frank ferretti will be joining us to discuss the archbishop of canterbury's latest foray into politics. don't go anywhere .

welcome back to free speech nation. the archbishop of canterbury, justin welby, has been sticking his nose into censorship issues at a speech to the board of deputies of british

jews last week. he was asked what could be done to kerb prejudice in universities. his suggestion was for the government to cut funding to those that neglect to protect minority students from being abused. and excluded. abused. insults and excluded. but should the archbishop be meddling in campus politics? well, author and academic frank ferretti has written about this very topic for new spiked ferretti has written about this very topcalled new spiked ferretti has written about this very topcalled theew spiked ferretti has written about this very topcalled the archbishop of column called the archbishop of political correctness. and we can frank now. frank, can speak to frank now. frank, thanks so much joining us on thanks so much forjoining us on the want to ask you the show. i want to ask you first about your article now. it is is your view that the is it is your view that the archbishop of canterbury has made error here. what is it? made an error here. what is it? >> well, i think he's made several errors. he basically confused the position of jewish students who are facing a lot of discrimination . they're being discrimination. they're being cancelled very often on campuses with the position that trans activists face. and what he's really saying is that these two groups face very similar problems. so that's problem number one. but the problem number one. but the problem number two is to basically says,

i believe in free speech, but i don't believe in people . i think don't believe in people. i think we need to protect people from being abused or insulted. and it seems to me that if you're saying that you have to protect people from being insulted to the point at which you prevent people from speaking freely , people from speaking freely, then what you are really saying is that people have a right, not to be right to be not to be offended. and if you argue that, then basically you violate the very norms of the freedom of expression in a university , expression in a university, because very often in the course of academic debates and discussion , it may well be the discussion, it may well be the case that i inadvertently or even explicitly will insult your views just because the stakes are so high when you're debating important philosophical and other questions . other questions. >> frank, can i ask you about this? because you know, if a student is being discriminated against or harassed or abused and then surely the university should be stepping in, but isn't

the problem here that some students are interpreting perfectly legitimate opinions as forms of abuse ? forms of abuse? >> well, that's right . i forms of abuse? >> well, that's right. i think just by merely saying, for example , that there are i think example, that there are i think there are two biological sexes and that's it. a lot of people will say that you're harming me, you're abusing me, you're hurting me, and therefore you should be shut down. but also the number of points that people make about everyday life, which are now interpreted as abusive or harmful, expand adding all the time. and i think what i see in the universities is a situation where all you've got to say is i'm abused, i'm insulted, i feel harmed . and insulted, i feel harmed. and that's the end of discussion . that's the end of discussion. and there is no way of actually sort of saying, well, at the end of the day, you know, we are discussing philosophical or biological or academic questions. and those discussions are not about hurting anybody .

are not about hurting anybody. they're about resolving tricky questions . is it just is it just questions. is it just is it just that the archbishop doesn't really understand and what's going on on university campuses so that he conflates overt anti—semitism for instance, with anti—semitism for instance, with a feminist saying there are only two sexes. >> he thinks that that's somehow the same . the same. >> well, at first i thought maybe he's a little bit out of touch. maybe he doesn't quite grasp the dynamics of campus politics. but when you read his stuff more closely , he it's very stuff more closely, he it's very evident that he's really bought into trans ideology. he's really bought into the idea that we shouldn't be unpleasant to people who believe that there are hundreds of genders, that somehow we should accommodate to them and that we shouldn't really express our views that contradict their views , because contradict their views, because that somehow is unfair and discriminatory. so the archbishop has, in effect, gone on that side of the debate . he's on that side of the debate. he's basically accepted the assumptions of trans ideology

and therefore it's not surprising that he is views on the freedom of speech does not extend to people like myself who would question some of their assumptions. >> so is the distinction between, say , a gay student between, say, a gay student being subjected to homophobic slurs, anti—gay slurs , and that slurs, anti—gay slurs, and that as compared to, say, them having to listen to a christians point of view who says that they don't believe in same sex marriage . is believe in same sex marriage. is that the of distinction that the kind of distinction you'd to see? you'd like to see? >> so, for example , you >> exactly. so, for example, you know, we can be entirely it should be able to be entirely relaxed about discussing the rights and wrongs of same sex marriage. you can talk about the different views on that. and i think that people should be able to listen and discuss and argue about it. i think that's what a free society does. on the other hand, if i basically say something horrible, the person on the ground of their sexuality on the ground of their sexuality on the ground of their sexuality on the ground, that, for example, they're gay, that's a different story altogether

because then, you know, we're not discussing an idea , we're not discussing an idea, we're not discussing an idea, we're not debating the content of a particular concept. i'm just merely there to attack and hurt somebody using words that are likely to upset and damage somebody else's point of view. and that's a different story altogether. well, frank, freddie , thank you for making that distinction. >> i think it's very important. thanks for joining >> i think it's very important. thanks forjoining me >> i think it's very important. thanks for joining me today on free nation . i'm time now free speech nation. i'm time now for a quick break, but don't go away. there is loads more to come between now and 9:00. see you in a few minutes. come between now and 9:00. see you in a few minutes . the you in a few minutes. the temperatures rising, boxt solar. >> proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey your gb news news weather forecast provided by the met office. i hope you were able to enjoy your weekend. it has been a blustery one for been a rather blustery one for many us, but as we come to many of us, but as we come to the low pressure the end of sunday, low pressure is way towards is pushing its way off towards scandinavia, those scandinavia, allowing those isobars to widen out and the

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gb news. >> there's plenty more still to come on free speech nation this week, but let's get a news update first from aaron armstrong . armstrong. >> thank you very much, andrew. aaron armstrong in the newsroom. spain's carlos alcaraz has beaten novak djokovic in a five set classic to win his first wimbledon title . alcaraz lost

wimbledon title. alcaraz lost the first set six one before winning the next two. djokovic the defending champion, won the fourth to take the match to a decider, but he was broken early in the fifth set and never recovered . alcaraz the world recovered. alcaraz the world number one, winning the final set , six four number one, winning the final set, six four for a second grand slam title . djokovic had been slam title. djokovic had been bidding to equal roger federer's record of eight wimbledon victories and equal margaret court's overall record of 24 grand slam singles titles . grand slam singles titles. europe is bracing for more severe heat amid predictions of the hottest temperature ever experienced on the continent . experienced on the continent. wildfires are continuing to burn out of control on the spanish island of la palma in the canaries . at least 4000 people canaries. at least 4000 people have been evacuated as a result, with almost 115,000 acres of land affected. british holidaymakers travelling to southern europe are being advised to take precautions , advised to take precautions, with forecasters predicting that parts of italy and greece could . reach 48.8. that's the hottest

ever temperature recorded in sicily two years ago. meanwhile, rescue teams in south korea are continuing to retrieve victims who've been trapped in a flooded tunnel. who've been trapped in a flooded tunnel . it's unclear how many tunnel. it's unclear how many people remain missing. at least 37 people have died as a result of heavy downpours, which have caused landslides and floods. more than 8800 people have been ordered to evacuate their homes . meanwhile, the government is hailing the uk joining an indo pacific trading bloc, although critics say the economic benefits will be minimal. the business secretary, kemi badenoch, says the deal will bnng badenoch, says the deal will bring british companies a step closer to a market of 500 million people. with fewer barriers, which they claim could create access to £12 trillion worth of global trade. a officials official estimates , officials official estimates, though, suggest it will add just £1.8 though, suggest it will add just £18 billion a year to the £1.8 billion a year to the economy, which represents less than 1% of uk gdp . the last ship

than 1% of uk gdp. the last ship to set sail from ukraine under the black sea grain deal has left the port of odesa a day before the agreement expires . it before the agreement expires. it allows ukraine to safely export grain during the war against russia and has eased fears of global food shortages while stabilising prices . now russia stabilising prices. now russia says it won't renew the deal until western sanctions on its own exports are lifted . although own exports are lifted. although president erdogan of turkey , who president erdogan of turkey, who brokered the original agreement, says he's confident it will be extended . and the british extended. and the british actress and singerjane birkin has died at the age of 76 at her home in paris. she tim, she didn't wish . to didn't wish. to >> well, president emmanuel macron has paid tribute to ms >> birkin and described her as a french icon. jane birkin charmed both france and the uk with her music and fashion and her big hit jet with the late serge

gainsbourg. the actress was also the inspiration for the hermes birkin designer handbag tv onune birkin designer handbag tv online diablo radio and on tune in to this is gb news. now it's back to andrew and free speech nafion back to andrew and free speech nation . nation. welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. >> so let's get some more questions from our viewers . our questions from our viewers. our first question comes in from daniel . okay. so this is an daniel. okay. so this is an email and daniel says , is email and daniel says, is charity racist ? just okay, so charity racist? just okay, so i know what this is about. so this is kelly chase, who's a major uk charitable foundation, is worth £130 million. it's announced it's to going close after concluding that traditional philanthropy is , quote, philanthropy is, quote, a function of colonial capitalism. okay. what's going on here, josh? >> what's going on is the just

ridiculousness and our culture eating itself. essentially, this , by the way, this charity, didn't it money wasn't raised by historical racism or anything like that. it was made its money in the last half the century selling property in north london. yeah but the idea is that making money is in itself makes you part of the colonial racist system. but of course, the ridiculous thing here is that they're going to give away this money normally they give away million a year away 13 million a year or something, to good causes. something, right to good causes. it's they've it's brilliant. and they've got this like 130 this big war chest of like 130 million. but by it all million. but by giving it all away, they're not to away, they're they're not to going make the interest the going make the interest over the years to giving. years to keep on to keep giving. so just to going give it so they're just to going give it all away at once. but the all away at once. but in the long they'd more long term, they'd make more impact by giving it away piecemeal. impact by giving it away pieylemeal. get this victor gao >> i don't get this victor gao so doing good , so they were doing real good, giving good causes. giving it to really good causes. and they're very and now they're saying the very act us raising money is act of us raising money is colonial . does that make any colonial. does that make any sense you? sense to you? >> does does very >> it does. it does sound very racist behalf of all racist to me and behalf of all black we will be sending black people, we will be sending in our bank details and we want full £150 million within the

next month. >> and i think that's reasonable. i think think they reasonable. i think i think they should do that. >> exactly . i mean, it's >> yeah, exactly. i mean, it's just those things. >> yeah, exactly. i mean, it's justcharity those things. >> yeah, exactly. i mean, it's justcharity isiose things. >> yeah, exactly. i mean, it's justcharity is a;e things. >> yeah, exactly. i mean, it's justcharity is a;e thitenant of >> charity is a core tenant of many different cultures and judaism. it's tzedakah, it's part of what these, you know, every culture to a degree has some element of it. so yeah, absolutely. at what level is this different from that? >> well, in islam, you have to give a certain percentage of your salary to charity. are those people now being racist by doing that? i mean, i don't understand where this understand where where this i need kyrees now need to look into all kyrees now to make sure that black people are getting their money from every the are getting their money from every even. the rspca even. >> yeah , save the children, >> yeah, save the children, tommy robinson, whatever . tommy robinson, whatever. >> we need look at all of >> we need to look at all of them. well, it's good that them. yeah well, it's good that you make this you found a way to make this about you found a way to make this aboand thank you . >> and thank you. >> and thank you. >> get another question >> let's get another question in, this from bobby. in, though. this is from bobby. bobby he says, is football no longer a working man's game? okay i did read about this with tnt sports, which i don't watch, right . but they've announced right. but they've announced their new frontline present hours for the men's premier league . this is for the next

league. this is for the next season. and they've they've said that they wanted all female that they wanted an all female hosting . and the reason is hosting trio. and the reason is they want to remove laddish banter. now, victor , is laddish banter. now, victor, is laddish banter. now, victor, is laddish banter offensive? do you think it's part of football in it? >> it's well, you would say that. >> yeah, but i mean, are you a football fan? >> of course. >> of course. >> would you feel a >> how would you feel about a show about your sport and its three women? it's not just three women being sort having women being sort of having banter they've deliberately women being sort of having banter tthere.e deliberately women being sort of having banter tthere. soeliberately women being sort of having banter tthere. so that ately women being sort of having banter tthere. so that it'sy been put there. so that it's more feminine and more , you more feminine and more, you know, long as i select the women. >> no, no joking. but no. >> no, no joking. but no. >> why are you joking ? that >> why are you joking? that sounds like a good idea. >> no, true. yeah but >> no, it's true. yeah no, but does really matter? what do does it really matter? what do you think? >> w- >> there's a kind of toxicity within football. like the within football. maybe. like the way that men. way that some men. >> there but that's >> yeah, there is, but that's part of the game. >> this is interesting debate >> this is an interesting debate i've of people i've had with a number of people is know, because is that, you know, because the way, someone way, you know, i'm not someone who's you who's watched football, you know, i people know, and when i see people chanting jeering and the way chanting and jeering and the way that football fans talk, kind that football fans talk, i kind of a bit much of think, oh, that's a bit much for football fans of think, oh, that's a bit much for me football fans of think, oh, that's a bit much for me that's football fans of think, oh, that's a bit much for me that's partyotball fans of think, oh, that's a bit much for me that's part of)all fans tell me that's part of that culture. it's not real. it's kind of performative. do

kind of performative. what do you think? >> well, when you're remember >> well, when you're i remember being with my being on my on the train with my son from a gig and son coming back from a gig and we'd weekend we'd gone away for the weekend and bunch of and there was a bunch of football in and football fans coming in and they're drinking, know, they're all drinking, you know, ten and ten inches the morning and swearing whatever. ten inches the morning and swas ing whatever. ten inches the morning and swas just whatever. ten inches the morning and swas just like, whatever. ten inches the morning and swas just like, i whatever. ten inches the morning and swas just like, i wasvhatever. ten inches the morning and swas just like, i was justzver. i was just like, i was just explaining is explaining to my son, this is why i'm not into football. this is the culture that i is part of the culture that i don't he's don't like. right. and he's really by becoming really betrayed me by becoming a massive football fan. so massive football fan. yeah. so it howie it it didn't work. josh howie it did all. did not work at all. >> think he would be >> but do you think he would be helped more women helped by seeing more women presenters on these shows? helped by seeing more women pre no,ers on these shows? helped by seeing more women pre no, is on these shows? helped by seeing more women pre no, i think:hese shows? helped by seeing more women pre no, i think he ;e shows? helped by seeing more women pre no, i think he getsows? helped by seeing more women pre no, i think he gets something >> no, i think he gets something from football. he gets a tribalism, he gets the laddish banter with his mates. and that's why he got into it. >> but is something in >> but there is something in that, some some men that, isn't there? some some men just that sort of laddish yeah. >> and to honest yeah. >> and to be honest with you, most football most people watch football illegally anyway. so they. illegally anyway. so do they. yes i mean, look, i'm >> but also, i mean, look, i'm sure they're good at sure that they're really good at their know theirjobs. i'm sure they know lots football. the lots about football. but the idea have to push it so lots about football. but the ide the have to push it so lots about football. but the ide the other have to push it so lots about football. but the ide the other way e to push it so lots about football. but the ide the other way oro push it so lots about football. but the ide the other way or t0)ush it so lots about football. but the ide the other way or to get it so lots about football. but the ide the other way or to get ridso far the other way or to get rid of core tournament of of the core tournament of imagine a big chunk of their audience, let's just what audience, let's just see what happens viewing figures. >> f- f.- >> well, we'll see. okay well, we're to a question we're going to get a question now audience. now from the audience. where is carl hello, carl. how are

carl here? hello, carl. how are you? it was just a pleasant tree. you don't need . tree. you don't need. >> what's what's your question, carl ? carl? >> if a child identifies himself as a cat. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> would that be a concern to you? >> well, look, i know why you're raising this, carl, because this has been a big story, obviously, last. >> well, it was actually now two weeks ago, there audio weeks ago, there was that audio recording. don't if you recording. i don't know if you heard went viral. and it heard it that went viral. and it was a teacher berating these two teenage girls because they refused to accept pupil as refused to accept a pupil as a cat , a pupil refused to accept a pupil as a cat, a pupil who identifies as a cat, a pupil who identifies as a cat, whether this was a theoretical who to theoretical pupil who wanted to be or actual pupil. be a cat or an actual pupil. there's a debate about there's been a big debate about that. point the that. but the point was that the teacher called them despicable and sudden and there was a sudden ofcom inspection , which was, i think inspection, which was, i think it was kemi badenoch who suggested that this go ahead and sorry, ofsted rather, and ofsted has determined there was no serious concern. now, josh , i've serious concern. now, josh, i've heard you talk about this before. following before. you've been following the do you the cat story. yeah. do you think it's right that there's no concern this school? concern here at this school? >> ridiculous for >> i think it's ridiculous for them there's no them to say that there's no concern heard concern because we all heard it

with ears that you had a with our own ears that you had a teacher calling students despicable , insinuating that despicable, insinuating that they should be expelled for just saying that that women don't have penises and i think it's a massive issue that that there's a lot people seem to be focusing on this whether the cat exists id or not. yes. but not really focusing on the real issue here where you have a teacher essentially being abusive towards towards a bunch of 13 year old girls who are standing up. so for the school then to turn around afterwards and go, no, actually respect no, no, we actually respect students and allow this. it's students and we allow this. it's a space this. it's a good space for this. it's like, we've seen evidence like, no, we've seen evidence that do make that it's not. what do you make of all this people? >> so katharine birbalsingh, who of all this people? >> fhad atharine birbalsingh, who of all this people? >> fhad on arine birbalsingh, who of all this people? >> fhad on this birbalsingh, who of all this people? >> fhad on this show, lsingh, who of all this people? >> fhad on this show, she's, who of all this people? >> fhad on this show, she's the o i've had on this show, she's the headmistress of michaela school . touch with . she's been in touch with a number who say, yes, number of teachers who say, yes, we have cats in our school, not actual cats. okay. we have pupils who as cats. so pupils who identify as cats. so it a thing. it's probably a it is a thing. it's probably a very rare don't said very rare i don't think she said it at her school. it was at her school. >> it was at a different >> i think it was at a different a different all the teachers and the tested. the pupils being drug tested. >> not.

>> they have not. >> they have not. >> that might explain that >> no. that might explain that might things or might explain a lot of things or a explanation might be, a better explanation might be, i think the pupils have think because the pupils have been told that you can't question identity when question people's identity when they're , they they're having a joke, they might say, oh, okay, in that case might say, oh, okay, in that cas there one pupil who said >> there was one pupil who said he moon he wore a cape he was a moon and he wore a cape to school . think that's to school. and i think that's someone having a laugh. someone who's having a laugh. >> that's in urbana. i >> bannau that's in urbana. i think is. ithink >> bannau that's in urbana. i think is. i think they should think it is. i think they should take that think take the people that think they're cats, take them to london in the london zoo, put them in the lion's say, where are lion's cage and say, where are your your uncle. that your cat? meet your uncle. that is a really good idea. >> faux pas. >> see faux pas. >> see faux pas. >> a good test. >> it's also a good test. yeah, because doesn't because if the lion doesn't accept cat. accept them as a cat. >> exactly. i'm not going to accept >> yeah. >> yeah. >> that's really good idea. >> el e we should do that. >> i think we should do that. >> i think we should do that. >> we're going to move on >> right. we're going to move on now. another question. now. we've got another question. hopefully jenny. now. we've got another question. hopefully emailed jenny. now. we've got another question. hopefully emailed in. jenny. now. we've got another question. hopefully emailed in. thank jenny has emailed in. thank you, jenny. says, jenny. so jenny says, does anyone eastenders anymore? anyone watch eastenders anymore? now, an interesting so now, this is an interesting so i've never seen eastenders. okay, but i've never i've never seen it. don't judge me. honestly, even in honestly, i haven't. not even in passing and i used to passing. right. and i used to watch neighbours . yeah. fan watch neighbours. yeah. big fan of now apparently of mrs. mangle now apparently eastenders in particular is really struggling just in terms

of viewing numbers as there's part of this is because of competition with streaming services of course . but a lot of services of course. but a lot of critics have said that eastenders in particular is experiencing this huge drop in ratings because they have these storylines, call woke storylines, what they call woke storylines, what they call woke storylines, which know don't storylines, which we know don't land well with the general pubuc land well with the general public because the general pubuc public because the general public pretty decent public are all pretty decent people who don't to be people who don't need to be preached right ? i people who don't need to be preached right? i mean, isn't preached at right? i mean, isn't that here, victor? preached at right? i mean, isn't that people here, victor? preached at right? i mean, isn't that people hewantictor? preached at right? i mean, isn't that people hewantict> i don't think it's the storyline. it's the storyline. i think it's the characters. oh, is it? we're just connecting just not connecting with them anymore. okay, interesting. >> eastenders? >> do you watch eastenders? >> do you watch eastenders? >> to watch eastenders >> i used to watch eastenders and good and it was really good for a long time. um, in the 90s it was

like it was really witty and sort knowing, but like you sort of knowing, but like you say, i think part of is the say, i think part of it is the storylines. yeah. it is storylines. yeah. part of it is modern technology streaming modern technology now streaming and able to just watch one and being able to just watch one episode the and the episode after the other. and the other was also other thing is that was also mentioned in this article is that realistic that it's just not realistic representation of that of representation of that part of london where have london anymore, where you have these worth these properties that are worth a of there's a huge amount of money. there's just that . so it's just it isn't like that. so it's still it's still doesn't exist. >> still working still it's still doesn't exist. >> communities, vorking still it's still doesn't exist. >> communities, presumably. class communities, presumably. yeah, but it's like in the middle whitechapel middle of whitechapel where it's really now , that really gentrifying now, that sort of thing. >> don't speak english around. >> that part is that where it's said, i right thinking said, am i right in thinking it's of area? it's around that sort of area? >> so isn't it? was >> okay, but so isn't it? i was always told again, i'm not always told and again, i'm not speaking from experience, they're depressing they're always very depressing storylines . so it storylines. so why was it popular? people to watch? >> it's the characters we identify with them now. i don't know. i even know. know. i don't even know. eastenders on, but eastenders was still on, but really that's how little interest i just it's so interest is. i just it's so interesting. >> doctor who had a similar thing, doing thing, they started doing these so—called storylines so—called woke storylines and people stopped watching people because like a trans because there was like a trans auen because there was like a trans alien birth, but no , but

alien giving birth, but no, but you're the same thing on netflix. >> you're seeing of these >> you're seeing all of these places. ideology places. they're putting ideology first story top first before any story top trumps everything. >> and did you see the episode of doctor who when they went back found first of doctor who when they went back doctor found first of doctor who when they went back doctor who und first of doctor who when they went back doctor who noi first of doctor who when they went back doctor who no . first of doctor who when they went back doctor who no . and irst of doctor who when they went back doctor who no . and itt of doctor who when they went back doctor who no . and it was ever doctor who no. and it was a black girl , i ever doctor who no. and it was a black girl, i didn't see that. >> i didn't see that genius. i mean, but they do . mean, but they do. >> they are losing ratings . >> they are losing ratings. there's no getting around it. it's absolutely fascinating. there's no getting around it. it'sand)lutely fascinating. there's no getting around it. it's and they're fascinating. there's no getting around it. it's and they're allinating. there's no getting around it. it's and they're all onting. there's no getting around it. it's and they're all on drugs and >> and they're all on drugs and that's answer for everything. >> they're drugs. okay. >> they're all on drugs. okay. we've from we've got a question now from tom. um, says, andrew, do tom. um, tom says, andrew, do you a weekend getaway in you fancy a weekend getaway in space? it's very flirtatious. um so this is this is actually about virgin galactic. they've announced that they're they're starting their first public space , um, flight. space tourism, um, flight. apparently that's going to in apparently that's going to be in august now, the three customers august. now, the three customers paid 100. no august. now, the three customers paid 100. n0 $450,000 august. now, the three customers paid 100. no $450,000 for paid up to 100. no $450,000 for the trip. i wouldn't do this, victor. i'm thinking you know, there's not much up there. no, it's called space for a reason. >> and i've looked into it. you do not get no tesco club points. you don't anything. do not get no tesco club points. younothing, anything. do not get no tesco club points. you nothing, you ything. do not get no tesco club points. you nothing, you see,g. do not get no tesco club points. you nothing, you see, because >> nothing, you see, because if you would a lot of

you did, that would be a lot of reward points. >> and it's not bucha. >> and it's not on bucha. so it's want >> and it's not on bucha. so it':do want >> and it's not on bucha. so it':do it want >> and it's not on bucha. so it':do it anyway want >> and it's not on bucha. so it':do it anyway because vant >> and it's not on bucha. so it':do it anyway because it1t to do it anyway because it doesn't feel safe to me. >> it doesn't. >> it doesn't. >> and you lost, >> and if you get lost, you can't uber. mean, it's can't call an uber. i mean, it's just do you think, josh? can't call an uber. i mean, it's justi do you think, josh? can't call an uber. i mean, it's justi mean,) you think, josh? can't call an uber. i mean, it's justi mean, it'su think, josh? can't call an uber. i mean, it's justi mean, it'su huge josh? can't call an uber. i mean, it's justi mean, it'su huge amount of >> i mean, it's a huge amount of money think you get money and i think you get a couple minutes or something money and i think you get a co what minutes or something money and i think you get a cowhat miweightlessmething money and i think you get a cowhat miweightlessmethof] at what that weightless part of it a couple of it is just it's a couple of minutes long. also, i hope they pay minutes long. also, i hope they pay the return. you like pay for the return. do you like land off or land where you took off or whatever? are you going to whatever? how are you going to get i've run of get back? i've i've run out of all need to get bus. >> that's astonishing. 450 grand as well. >> easyjet or is it >> is it easyjet or is it easyjet? >> it's ryanair, they'll >> if it's ryanair, they'll probably other side probably put you the other side of of of the galaxy. have to kind of make . okay. well, make your own way. okay. well, look, coming on speech look, coming up on free speech nafion look, coming up on free speech nation concerned nation after a concerned parents tweet went this week, tweet went viral this week, you're going to hear my take on the of gender identity the teaching of gender identity ideology schools. but ideology in uk schools. but before that, latest weather before that, the latest weather update . that warm feeling inside update. that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers >> proud sponsors of weather on gb news news. >> hello there . i'm jonathan

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radio. welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. >> this week, a tweet went viral which appeared to show a written test for a ten year old school child in which they were quizzed on gender identity ideology in order to get the right answers,

the child has to show that they support the ideology, even though a belief system held though it's a belief system held by a minority of the by a tiny minority of the population. i've been in population. now, i've been in touch with the person who posted population. now, i've been in tou

had in fact been told that there could be up to 72 gender identities. has certainly identities. there has certainly been some misinformation about this story, but that part was actually true. and here's a clip from a school lesson resource produced by the bbc called identity understanding sexual and gender identities . and gender identities. >> what are the different gender identities ? identities? >> his that's a really , really >> his that's a really, really exciting question to ask. do you know there are so many gender identities? so we know we've got male and female, but there are over 100. if not more gender identities now. so we know that some people might feel like they're two different genders. so people might think they're by gender and then you've got some people who might themselves people who might call themselves gender are just like, gender queer who are just like, i want to be i don't really want to be anything particular. just anything in particular. i'm just going in a sense, going to be me. so in a sense, john nicholson is right. >> these particular kids aren't being taught about 72 gender identities. they're being taught about more than 100. and what about more than 100. and what about the welsh government's controversial relation ? ships controversial relation? ships

and education and sexuality education curriculum? parents launched a judicial review in the high court late last year to oppose this scheme, but they lost their case. definitely real case. but it's definitely real and the materials are all online for anyone to see. let's take the agenda pamphlet now . kirsty the agenda pamphlet now. kirsty williams, who was welsh education minister until 2021, has claimed that the agenda pamphlet produced in 2016 by the welsh government in collaboration with cardiff university, used widely university, has been used widely throughout wales . according to throughout wales. according to the telegraph. it's been promoted to all schools in wales. now they call this thing a pamphlet, but it's actually 170 pages long and it teaches children how to be social justice activists offering ideas and strategies to push the new religion of intersectionality . religion of intersectionality. here's a direct quotation it's hard when school rules and cultures reinforce gender norms every day by dividing us into boys and girls for class quizzes , sitting boys next to girls in tests or have a gendered uniform policy and gender segregated toilet s. the uk government is

now producing guidelines to make clear that a boy cannot identify his way into girls toilets facilities . so it will be facilities. so it will be interesting to see how the welsh government deals with that . government deals with that. anyway, this agenda document also describes the mixed muffin gender berry challenge , where gender berry challenge, where the pupil activists make some muffins with blueberries inside to represent masculinity and some with raspberries inside to represent femininity . and there represent femininity. and there are some mixed flavoured muffins to represent gender neutrality and staff are then asked to and then staff are then asked to break open muffins and then break open the muffins and then stand coloured balloons that stand by coloured balloons that match mean, it match the muffins. i mean, it all confusing . all gets very confusing. basically, of basically, there's a lot of muffins and balloons to make some inane point. it some kind of inane point. it sounds . it's sounds quite expensive. it's certainly a waste of time and it's surreal. there's it's utterly surreal. there's also version of this also another version of this particular pamphlet . this particular agenda pamphlet. this was produced in 2019, it was was produced in 2019, and it was aimed at teachers of 7 to 11 year olds. now this defines gender identity as a person's inner sense of self, and gender identity does not necessarily relate to the sex. a person is assigned at birth for feelings

about gender identity. start early , around the age 2 or 3, early, around the age 2 or 3, which is strange because gender identity is a highly contested concept, very few people believe it exists . so why doesn't this it exists. so why doesn't this government document point that out? and why is it using pseudo religious language such as saying sex is assigned at birth and anyway, why is the government producing lengthy documents in order to create activists as young as seven featuring exercises such as gender watch bingo , which gender watch bingo, which preaches gender identity, ideology , and perhaps even more ideology, and perhaps even more seriously, the value of equity over equality, which is an explicitly political goal . but explicitly political goal. but of course, it's not just wales . of course, it's not just wales. ispoke of course, it's not just wales. i spoke to one parent in london who showed me evidence that her six year old is being shown material . all that is definitely material. all that is definitely not age appropriate , but as part not age appropriate, but as part of a relationship and sexuality course in an email exchange that ihave course in an email exchange that i have seen myself and the staff member explains that such courses are part of the national curriculum and therefore

mandatory. why does a six mandatory. but why does a six year old need to know about sexual relationships and the thing is, while activists continue to deny that this is going on, anyone can check for themselves. for instance, twinkle , which is a hugely twinkle, which is a hugely popular educational publishing house which provides materials for teachers, many of its resources are online. it creates worksheets aimed at primary school children, which unambiguously promote gender identity , ideology. and of identity, ideology. and of course, there's nothing wrong with discussing the various belief that exist in belief systems that exist in society, whether they be political, ideological or religious . but the teaching in religious. but the teaching in schools of highly contested beliefs as though they are fact is almost certainly in violation of section 406 of the education act 1996, which prohibits the promotion of partisan political views in the teaching of any subject. so we have to ask the question are schools throughout the uk currently breaking the law and if so, what do we do about it? well, first we have to ignore those who are denying

that it's happening. the evidence is in controvertial gender identity ideology is being promoted widely in uk schools . the government is schools. the government is seemingly complicit or at least is not doing anything significant to stop it . and yes, significant to stop it. and yes, people are sometimes circulating false material which we need to be sceptical about because every time that happens and a lie is exposed, activists are then able to claim that the whole thing is a sham. so let's just stick to the facts. they're available to everyone. they're clear and they reveal the extent of what's going on. we don't need to exaggerate the problem . the exaggerate the problem. the truth is already disturbing enough. truth is already disturbing enough . after the break on free enough. after the break on free speech nation, i'm going to be joined by the playwright who's bringing the recent mermaids versus battle versus lgb alliance battle to the london stage. before we do that, i just want to ask josh howie josh, you on the howie because, josh, you on the back my monologue there was back of my monologue there was talking about gender identity, ideology . as you've

ideology in schools. as you've sort of experienced this as a parent extent, haven't you? >> yeah, a couple of weeks ago my kids got in the i picked them up car and they up and got in the car and they turned this was then turned around. this was my then nine and year old. nine year old and 11 year old. they'd boat they'd been in the same boat together for same class and they basically like, basically said something like, oh, you know, there's like 100 sexes i sexes or whatever. and i was like, because obviously like, what? because obviously i've been seeing the stuff online. yeah. and i was like, no, what word did they use? gender sex? like they were gender or sex? like they were saying, no, no, it's sex. and i sent an email to the school. i've got a meeting next week. sent an email to the school. i've going meeting next week. sent an email to the school. i've going meeting andt week. sent an email to the school. i've going meeting and see 3k. sent an email to the school. i've going meeting and see these i'm going to go in and see these sudes i'm going to go in and see these slides and stuff. they also learnt like pansexual. learnt about like pansexual. they all this they were talking all this stuff. put it stuff. so and then i put it onune stuff. so and then i put it online then people were online and then people were like, happen, you like, this didn't happen, you know, it's like the thing as know, it's like the thing is, as you showed , as you illustrated, you showed, as you illustrated, this happening this stuff has been happening for years. yeah. and that's what's so scary for me. put it even just mentioning it online. i it to of, i didn't expect it to kind of, but interesting you say but that's interesting you say that always response. but that's interesting you say tha this always response. but that's interesting you say tha this is ways response. but that's interesting you say tha this is aays response. but that's interesting you say tha this is a lie. response. but that's interesting you say tha this is a lie. it response. but that's interesting you say tha this is a lie. it isn't onse. >> this is a lie. it isn't actually but there's actually happening. but there's so evidence it is. so much evidence that it is. yeah, that's why i don't understand why it . understand why lie about it. >> and it's really

>> it's crazy. and it's really upsetting because it is . there upsetting because it is. there was stuff in this course that they also learnt was good, they also learnt that was good, like like that like they were taught like that about, homosexuality about, you know, homosexuality and that gay it shouldn't be a pejorative term and you know, and stuff . there was like good and stuff. there was like good stuff about relationships , about stuff about relationships, about how come in how different families come in different these how different families come in differ> that's that's exactly what it is. it's very upsetting. and is. and it's very upsetting. and the thing it's not a recent the thing is, it's not a recent phenomenon . this has going phenomenon. this has been going on now to the point on for years now to the point where our teenagers and where you have our teenagers and the 16 and 17 year olds teaching the 16 and 17 year olds teaching the young. my kids went to like a thing and i got up there, a camp thing and i got up there, i got there late and it's like, this actually four i got there late and it's like, this ago,1ally four i got there late and it's like, this ago, the four i got there late and it's like, this ago, the 17 four i got there late and it's like, this ago, the 17 yearfour i got there late and it's like, this ago, the 17 year olds were years ago, the 17 year olds were teaching now 14, so

teaching my eldest, now 14, so they have been about they must have been about ten at they must have been about ten at the teaching exactly they must have been about ten at the stuff teaching exactly they must have been about ten at the stuff without:hing exactly they must have been about ten at the stuff without:hingadults.y the stuff without any adults around and whatever. so the cycle permeates itself. >> very worrying indeed . >> it's very worrying indeed. but do join me after the but look, do join me after the break nation. break on free speech nation. i'll playwright i'll be speaking to a playwright about new show relating about a brand new show relating to the victory of lgb to the recent victory of lgb alliance over mermaids . don't go alliance over mermaids. don't go away

to gb news radio show. >> welcome back to free speech nafion >> welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. last week we reported on how trans lobby group mermaids lost its legal battle to have the lgb alliance removed from the charity register . that two year charity register. that two year legal challenge is now being made into a stage play mermaids versus alliance is based versus the alliance is based entirely on the transcripts of the tribunal hearing. it's the work of playwright and journalist phelim mcaleer , who journalist phelim mcaleer, who joins me now. hello. welcome to the show. >> thank you. now i've seen a number of verbatim plays over the time they often take political the political ideas, things like the vagina laramie

project. >> they've done this about the iraq war, various things. sunday was the sunday, sunday tribunal , actually. >> yeah. yeah. it's a very british idea. it's a very verbatim theatre . really. verbatim theatre. really. started london and was started here in london and was that your then? that your idea then? >> let's apply this >> well, let's just apply this to story. >> well, let's just apply this to yeah.ory. >> well, let's just apply this to yeah. iy. >> well, let's just apply this to yeah. i mean, think court >> yeah. i mean, i think court cases are the last great cases to me are the last great place where the truth is told. you you're not allowed to you know, you're not allowed to have political slogans. and i just i wasn't following just i wasn't really following this but i saw this case at the time, but i saw some publicity about it, something it. and i just something about it. and i just wanted to know more about it. and the transcripts and and i read the transcripts and it's the truth is very compelling. and this is what this is. this is people telling the truth. it's also very funny when you see what people don't what what, what once they are faced tough questions, what little is there ? there's no little is there? there's no there there. >> that's really interesting, isn't it? because you know, trans activists and gender ideologues have often said no debate says, never debate. stonewall says, we never debate. stonewall says, we never debate and mermaids have always said now they can't said no debate. now they can't say to a judge . you know, say that to a judge. you know, if in a court law ,

if they're in a court of law, you have to answer the questions. otherwise you're breaking were breaking the law. so they were suddenly a position where suddenly in a position where they had to defend gender identity, it identity, ideology, and it didn't well them. didn't work out well for them. >> felt like calling the >> yeah, i felt like calling the play >> yeah, i felt like calling the play versus the play mermaids versus the alliance a comedy. yeah it really is that funny. that farcical , because when you're farcical, because when you're defending and as i say, a courtroom is probably the last great conservative place on earth because you go in there, you're obliged to tell the truth , or you can't get away with political slogans . you can't get political slogans. you can't get away with cliches. you can't get away with cliches. you can't get away with cliches. you can't get away with just throwing some figure off. >> but what were some of the examples? i mean, one that sticks in my mind because i was reading the transcripts as they were coming out in real time. um, i couldn't what um, and i couldn't believe what i instance, one i was reading for instance, one of the mermaids of the, one of the mermaids representatives were representatives when they were asked cass review, asked about the cass review, which report by which of course is the report by hilary klass cass into the tavistock paediatric tavistock gender paediatric clinic. very important document. when they were asked about that, they said, well, only skim they said, well, i only skim read don't really i'm not read it. i don't really i'm not familiar. i'm like, but this is your area. if you haven't read

the most important report in your , clearly your area of expertise, clearly you're not doing your job. >> and they kind of pretended that they were kind a that they were kind of it's a kind of peripheral to what we do. and like , but it's not do. and it's like, but it's not peripheral what you do. and in fact, were of you fact, you were a part of you were of the almost like were a part of the almost like an adjunct tavistock an adjunct of the tavistock clinic. an adjunct of the tavistock clirwell, were informing >> well, they were informing them, mermaids a them, but also the mermaids is a piece patrick charity. piece. patrick gender charity. yes right. yes. >> so and they were they were part the railroad track . part of the railroad track. people would come in and they would tavistock would refer them on to tavistock and to not have or to say they didn't read it's comedic , didn't read it. it's comedic, almost. if it wasn't so, so sad i >> -- >> are there any other elements in particular that stuck out for you? trying they you? well, i mean, trying they were asked if someone were actually asked if someone identified as as gender are they are they are they now a woman? >> and the ultimate answer was yes, even if they haven't had any surgery, not just legally , any surgery, not just legally, but actually they were actually. and my personal favourite is this was this tribunal was in september of 2022. and they just

couldn't talk enough about how wonderful, scott, the example of scotland was. yes. with that wonderful progressive nicola sturgeon and how they had got the whole transgender thing in prisons all worked out . yeah, prisons all worked out. yeah, that worked out well and it was just like, you're reading this and you're going, this is really funny. was of was funny. and i was sort of i was thinking putting a little context, think, i'll just context, i think, no, i'll just leave that it's leave it like that because it's just capsule time just a wonderful capsule in time . it was shortly before the . and it was shortly before the media realised, oh, we can ask difficult about this. difficult questions about this. >> well, yes, i think was difficult questions about this. >> first, yes, i think was difficult questions about this. >> first time i think was difficult questions about this. >> first time with nk was difficult questions about this. >> first time with the was the first time with the revelations snp revelations that the snp were effectively greenlighting male rapists women's prisons . at rapists in women's prisons. at that point, people started thinking, hang on a minute. yes. >> journalists finally got >> and journalists finally got some and asked these some whatevers and asked these difficult questions. and they had no answers. no. and that was the thing that across in the thing that came across in the thing that came across in the the play was the transcript for the play was they i mean , it's so they have no i mean, it's so skin literally . yes. skin deep, literally. yes. sometimes not even that there's just no there there . just no there there. >> well, i was also i mean, i had bev and kate from lgb

alliance on the show and, you know, it was very upsetting for them, i think, to be put on the stand school lesbian stand as old school lesbian activists gay activists who've been pro gay rights long to be on rights for so long to be put on the you know, can the stand and say, you know, can a have a penis? you a lesbian have a penis? you know, is lesbian? what's know, what is a lesbian? what's you things that you know, these are things that we've for we've all as a society taken for granted time . and as granted for a long time. and as they out, it's really anti they point out, it's really anti gay a lot of this stuff. yeah. and they point out they were they these they were fighting these questions 70s when questions back in the 70s when they with a lot more they were asked with a lot more vigour and maybe hostility. >> yes. and they've done that. they've been there, they've done that. and they thought they were in as they said in the transcripts, uk used transcripts, you know, uk used to the best in the to be the best place in the world gay . yeah. and now world to be gay. yeah. and now now feel under threat. now now they feel under threat. now they're getting they're getting thrown off lesbian dating websites . if they if they say websites. if they if they say i will not date a transgender person with a penis. >> it's interesting that in australia , in some areas of australia, in some areas of australia, in some areas of australia, it's now illegal to have an all women gathering. you can't have a lesbian gathering because admit people can't have a lesbian gathering becaclaim admit people can't have a lesbian gathering becaclaim to admit people can't have a lesbian gathering becaclaim to be admit people can't have a lesbian gathering becaclaim to be lesbians,t people who claim to be lesbians, even if are if they're not well, there are

no lesbian bars in, in in no more lesbian bars in, in in london in, you know. >> and they made that point in the hearing. and i think that's very that these the hearing. and i think that's very are that these the hearing. and i think that's very are gettingat these the hearing. and i think that's very are getting smaller and spaces are getting smaller and smaller. but, i mean, i, i, i don't try and take any sides. i try and give both sides in, in the play, but it's very interesting. one side has answers, the other just just falls away . falls away. >> that's interesting as well. you don't need to edit too much. you don't need to edit too much. you just present what was said. i mean, that's what's fascinating about verbatim theatre , but also that, you theatre, but also that, you know, courtroom drama is always great as well. you know, there's always the always some kind of tension, the idea being interrogated. >> versus vardy was >> well, rooney versus vardy was was you know, it's the same was was, you know, it's the same thing, by the way. you know, people people go into court with all they people people go into court with all just they people people go into court with all just say they people people go into court with all just say what they people people go into court with all just say what always can just say what they've always said. a very said. yes, courtroom is a very difficult place to lie. >> and is that why i mean, you're attracted to you're often attracted to political ideas within your creative live work, and do you think that a really good think that that's a really good way of addressing political and social through social issues is through drama? totally >> ferguson play, >> i did the ferguson play, which about foundation >> i did the ferguson play,

withe about foundation >> i did the ferguson play, withe blmabout foundation >> i did the ferguson play, withe blm movementyundation >> i did the ferguson play, withe blm movement inidation >> i did the ferguson play, withe blm movement in the on of the blm movement in the shooting of michael brown in in america. and when i did the script and it was it was african—american eyewitnesses to the shooting from the grand jury , nine of the actors walked out dunng , nine of the actors walked out during rehearsals. really? yes because the truth didn't match what the tv had told them. you know, that's interesting. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so it comes as a shock to a lot of people. the truth. yes. especially when the media gets on to a story and misrepresent it. >> and you've also done films as well, haven't you? >> yes, yes. we did a story about an doctor in about an abortion doctor in america , kermit he america, kermit gosnell. he had a trial . we've done a movie a big trial. we've done a movie with about hunter biden starring laurence fox . laurence fox. >> yes, my son hunter. yes. yes. based on based on his extensive of laptop hard drive. yeah. i mean, but that, again, is a very interesting story because that's one the media wanted. i mean , one the media wanted. i mean, they the social media companies tried to cover it up entirely. they did. >> e cover ew-m >> they did cover it up. and then but they haven't been able to cover it up since. it's just keeps along

keeps bubbling along and bubbung keeps bubbling along and bubbling if it lance the bubbling along. if it lance the boil, maybe then boil, maybe back then it wouldn't bubbling along wouldn't still be bubbling along . the people that . but the people know that they're not being told the truth. think know truth. and i think people know there's more this transgender there's more to this transgender story than they're being told. yeah, absolutely. and a courtroom is a great place to go there. and get that. >> and how many actors are involved in this production ? involved in this production? >> there's nine right? >> there's nine actors, right? yeah. reading, yeah. so it's a staged reading, dramatised, reading. and dramatised, staged reading. and i'm putting it on so that i'm really putting it on so that maybe someone will say, let's put on a full production in london because i want to take it to every town hall in the uk because this is this is not just a london problem. this is a problem in small towns all over the because your kids have the uk because your kids have the uk because your kids have the internet, you know, and your kids are getting this , getting kids are getting this, getting this and they're getting it at school you and they're school, as you said. and they're being by teachers they being told by teachers they really teachers. school is really like teachers. school is different from when were different from when we were young. hate our young. we used to hate our teachers. kids really like teachers. now kids really like their teachers and they've been told there's 72 genders and you're telling them they're not. and you're old and fuddy duddy ,

and you're old and fuddy duddy, and the cool teachers and these are the cool teachers and these are the cool teachers and these are the cool teachers and the internet is telling them that tiktok's telling them and the internet is telling them tha need tiktok's telling them and the internet is telling them tha need to ;tok's telling them and the internet is telling them tha need to go 's telling them and the internet is telling them tha need to go there ing them and the internet is telling them tha need to go there ing thtime we need to go there every time and every school and i need to go to every school and i need to go to every school and play and it's just and take this play and it's just verbatim. there's no editorialising verbatim. there's no edi'that'sing verbatim. there's no edi'that's interesting. yeah so >> that's interesting. yeah so you're presenting it as it you're just presenting it as it is people can make their own is and people can make their own mind of course. that's mind up, of course. that's fascinating. before go , fascinating. so before you go, tell us where is this on and how can people get tickets to see it? it's on in the camden club . it? it's on in the camden club. >> saturday, july 22nd. 8 pm. go mermaids, play .com. go to mermaids, play .com. mermaids play .com perfect and you get tickets. they're still tickets left. >> fantastic . thanks very much >> fantastic. thanks very much for joining us. thank you . so forjoining us. thank you. so after the break on free speech nation, it's time for social sensations . we've got another sensations. we've got another biden blunder and the latest from the hobby horse championships in finland. don't miss it .

>> welcome back to free speech nation. >> so every week we dedicate this part of the show to the world of social media. now, first up, more proof if we need it, that joe biden really doesn't know that today is sunday. let's have a listen . sunday. let's have a listen. >> vladimir inaya, we shouldn't be so familiar. mr zelenskyy and i talked about the kind of guarantees that we could make in the meantime . the meantime. >> okay. so that's the leader of the free world referring to zelenskyy as vladimir. he then followed it up a day later by referring to the icelandic prime minister as a daughter of ireland before correcting himself. what do we make ? i himself. what do we make? i mean, look, i always feel a bit bad because i think joe biden's obviously , you know, a bit bad obviously, you know, a bit bad enough to keep on doing these clips. no , because he's the clips. so no, because he's the president of the usa. and if they're not to admit, so they're not going to admit, so is if they're not going is he. but if they're not going to admit that he's got a problem, then we to keep problem, then we have to keep flagging because think problem, then we have to keep flagreally because think

problem, then we have to keep flagreally dangerous think problem, then we have to keep flagreally dangerous to 1ink problem, then we have to keep flagreally dangerous to have it's really dangerous to have someone position. yeah someone in that position. yeah i mean, the of that mean, the amount of hours that you role , it's you put into that role, it's obviously it suits someone young. >> but, you know, remember george bush, george bush, george bush, george w bush, he would of he did. >> and we flagged it then as well. >> no, absolutely right. >> no, you're absolutely right. so, , is a problem. just so, yes, it is a problem. just i'd say that if they just keep the bomb person that, you know, keep keep them in the next room, don't keep him there. >> the way to do it, wouldn't it, you know, because it is a worry when i didn't see no worry when these i didn't see no problem with the clip. >> i think it's nice to >> i mean i think it's nice to see old 56 year old man still the united the president of the united states do like their older >> they do like their older statesmen, though. >> do, yeah. >> they do, yeah. >> they do, yeah. >> like trump >> you know, like what's trump now? knocking on 80. now? he must be knocking on 80. >> . he longer has >> we stopped. he no longer has birthdays . no, he doesn't birthdays. no, he doesn't exactly trump. so strange. exactly just trump. so strange. >> like a 40 year >> why not get like a 40 year old politician to run the free world? why not? >> yeah, no, no. fine. then you get a more sex scandals. get a lot more sex scandals. it'll be great. >> absolutely. well, what >> absolutely. well, that's what we anyway, up, we like to see. anyway, next up, here's committing here's lorraine kelly committing that cardinal sin of misgendering. sam smith. >> and what about sam smith? no. did he? oh, he's dressed down.

sam smith is not smith. you've dressed down. >> it's barbiecore . i mean, >> it's not barbiecore. i mean, this be it's a super comfy this would be it's a super comfy airport outfit. >> it is. it's a bit for him >> it is. it's a bit big for him if a little bit big. if he was my son, i'd saying, son, my son, i'd be saying, son, that's too big for you. >> i mean, it is. >> it's drone in you. it's a different way to work. >> i'd be into the jumper, but for maybe for maybe the airport , barbecure, it's , it wasn't barbecure, but it's their style. , it wasn't barbecure, but it's the i style. , it wasn't barbecure, but it's thei know, tyle. , it wasn't barbecure, but it's thei know, but it looks like to >> i know, but it looks like to be man . be shrunken man. >> okay. i mean, she kept doing it. >> yeah, but the thing is, so what? but if you live by the sword and she's been someone within this movement, arguably , within this movement, arguably, who has helped propagate it. yes. then you can't sort of turn around and then just. oh, i forgot. like if you . forgot. like if you. >> well, someone said to me the other day, i think it was leo who was saying that smith who was saying that sam smith has misgendered has actually misgendered himself at know. so, at one point, you know. so, i mean, hard to remember. mean, it's hard to remember. >> confused. was >> yeah, i'm confused. what was he well, by they and >> well, he goes by they and them. um. >> oh. >> oh. >> says he's not a e says he's not a man >> and says he's not a man speaking. >> was bear because i was

>> he was a bear because i was looking the picture he looking at the picture and he was a bear in was looking a bit like a bear in that picture. >> don't think >> yeah, but i don't think that's what it is. a grumpy >> yeah, but i don't think th.fact,rhat it is. a grumpy >> yeah, but i don't think th.fact, samt is. a grumpy >> yeah, but i don't think th.fact, sam smith grumpy >> yeah, but i don't think th.fact, sam smith was1py one in fact, sam smith was the one who the brit who complained about the brit awards gender awards not having a gender neutral is why neutral category, which is why they best female they got rid of best female artist. best male artist, but then bunch men then didn't just a bunch of men get yeah, absolutely then didn't just a bunch of men getyeah, absolutely . >> yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> so all she meant to call him then they they. >> so all she meant to call him the yeah, they. >> so all she meant to call him the yeah, they are. >> yeah, they are. >> yeah, they are. >> they look small then their trousers . trousers. >> their trousers look too baggy bad on them. yeah >> that's like a horror movie. >> that's like a horror movie. >> it just it's a lot to >> yeah. it just it's a lot to remember . it >> yeah. it just it's a lot to remember. it is a lot. >> he looks happy with his identity though. that's >> he does have some. i mean , i >> he does have some. i mean, i think a bad dress think i've got a bad dress sense, but that's. >> that's level. >> that's next level. >> that's next level. >> even worse. okay, >> that's even worse. okay, so we're move to on for we're going to move to on for this next one. on what's this one? oh, this is the hobby horse championships in finland. let's have a look . okay. so this event have a look. okay. so this event is held annually, over 10,000 people in finland are obsessed with hobby horse racing and most

of them are girls. between 10 and 18. all the hobby horses are handmade by their owners and are given names. and the equestrian foundation of finland sorry, equestrian federation of finland don't want to offend them . don't want to offend them. organises these annual championships , which are several championships, which are several subcategories, such as dressage and show jumping . now i've just and show jumping. now i've just come back from finland. i didn't see any of that. >> it'sjust see any of that. >> it's just legal everywhere. i think that is the only explanation of this . explanation of this. >> no, no. >> no, no. >> it's because monty python's their comedy troupe. their favourite comedy troupe. is ? this all the is that right? this is all the holy grail. >> when i was there, a few >> so when i was there, a few people said that finland people said to me that finland is happiest place earth. is the happiest place on earth. >> see why. is the happiest place on earth. >> well, see why. is the happiest place on earth. >> well, you see why. is the happiest place on earth. >> well, you can why. is the happiest place on earth. >> well, you can see that they all seem pretty happy. >> well, you can see that they all seem notty happy. >> well, you can see that they all seem notty h.tooy. >> well, you can see that they all seem notty h.too happy. >> yeah. not not too happy. >> yeah. not not too happy. >> that's, you >> i mean, like, that's, you know, sign of a healthy know, that's a sign of a healthy society. i think. apparently it is, the is, though. apparently all the polls there polls say that everyone there is the happiest, they've got the happiest, least they've got more than 75% more trees than anyone. 75% of the forest . okay. the country is forest. okay. it's a lovely they've got over 100,000 lakes. >> drop the most acid and >> they drop the most acid and they acid. they drop the most acid. >> that's probably what's >> so that's probably what's going well, going on there. okay, well, look, much for look, thank you so much for sending your unfiltered

sending in your unfiltered dilemmas course, dilemmas every week. of course, you problems and we you send in your problems and we give you our attempts at solutions . but thank you for solutions. but thank you for continually sending them in. our first is from first dilemma tonight is from dylan . dylan my girlfriend dylan. dylan says, my girlfriend said she was going on a quiet girls trip to greece, but she's gone to zante . is it zante or gone to zante. is it zante or zante ? zante? the friends that zante? zante? the friends that she's with sleep around a lot and party hard. can i trust her when she is around them? that's interesting. where is zante ? interesting. where is zante? >> where is that? well, i was there last night actually. and i met some wonderful people. you know where it is. >> could you point to it on a map? no. >> so greece, maybe . >> so greece, maybe. >> so greece, maybe. >> i mean, it sounds a bit greek, doesn't it? well so. oh, no. got girls no. girls. they've got no girls trip to greece. she's gone. so this like the sort this place is this like the sort of ibiza today? know, of the ibiza of today? you know, i'm so i'm imagining. >> yeah. who knows? they're drinking having >> yeah. who knows? they're drinibut having >> yeah. who knows? they're drinibut look, having >> yeah. who knows? they're drinibut look, what having >> yeah. who knows? they're drinibut look, what do having >> yeah. who knows? they're drinibut look, what do you ving >> yeah. who knows? they're drinibut look, what do you think fun. but look, what do you think about this? >> because like, you know, if you've got a partner and they should what should be allowed to do what they right. they should be they want, right. they should be allowed if it's like allowed to go even if it's like allowed to go even if it's like

a place. a party place. >> think as well >> yeah. and i think as well when sends in the dilemma he when he sends in the dilemma he needs location needs to send the exact location so will go there i'll so that i will go there and i'll see whether been problems. >> think are the person to >> i think you are the person to go out. go there and sort that out. >> swear. go there and sort that out. >> trustnear. go there and sort that out. >> trust though, right? you've got trust. got to trust. >> if you're just >> no, not if you're just hanging out with a bunch no hanging out with a bunch of no bunch hunting well. bunch of wrong hunting as well. >> thing. >> the whole thing. >> the whole thing. >> is ridiculous. >> you guys, this is ridiculous. you've be. look, what's you've got to be. look, what's the being in the point of being in relationship you can't relationship if you can't trust them? trust not them? you know, i trust her not to surely , you know, if to go. but surely, you know, if your wife is going off to my wife? >> yeah. she went to zante this week. >> yeah. okay >> yeah. okay >> but she went there to see the historical sites and. >> with a bunch of >> no, she went with a bunch of wrong . wrong and friends. >> yeah , sent email, >> yeah, i sent in that email, basically. oh, you. did you ? >> 7- >> no. >> no. >> oh, i actually believed you there. okay, going to there. josh okay, we're going to move this one. this move on to this one. this is a dilemma came from lara. dilemma which came in from lara. thank for sending thank you, lara, for sending this my thank you, lara, for sending this friend my thank you, lara, for sending this friend is my thank you, lara, for sending this friend is in my thank you, lara, for sending this friend is in love my thank you, lara, for sending this friend is in love withny thank you, lara, for sending this friend is in love with me . best friend is in love with me. am torturing by hanging am i torturing him by hanging out all the should out all the time? should i distance myself if i care about him? so he can move on? does lara think a lot of herself? >> i think yeah. >> i think yeah. >> but i'm sure it's true. >> but i'm sure it's true. >> probably >> it's probably true. >> it's probably true. >> actually very nice >> and that's actually very nice

of his of her to consider his his feelings . i think what she feelings. i think what she should do is sleep him . oh, okay. >> and how is that going to solve the situation? >> feel sorry for the guy. >> guy- >> is guy. >> is that right? >> is that right? >> is that right? >> i mean, like if you were aware that someone was infatuated with you, victor, would do the right thing and would you do the right thing and sort sever ties? sort of just sever all ties? >> the thing . keep >> i'll do the wrong thing. keep them around me. that's my number >> i'll do the wrong thing. keep therfan.yund me. that's my number >> i'll do the wrong thing. keep therfan. yeah,ne. that's my number >> i'll do the wrong thing. keep therfan. yeah, i'llthat's my number >> i'll do the wrong thing. keep therfan. yeah, i'll takes my number everywhere. >> okay. everywhere. >> you're here now. >> you're here now. >> you're here now. >> you're wrong person to >> you're the wrong person to ask this. ask about this. >> yeah. yeah. >> yeah. yeah. >> mean, know what you >> i mean, i don't know what you should i mean, should do, really. i mean, if we're you keep we're giving you got to keep your moral and was talking your own moral and was talking earlier about men's mental health. >> e“ a e a woman w“ >> so having a woman that likes you around you, it's good for you. you. you. it's good for you. >> good necessarily for >> it's not good necessarily for the for the person she's with or for your or for no , your wife, maybe, or for no, that person you're forgetting about , just assuming they're two about, just assuming they're two different people . different people. >> okay. and we did have one more dilemma this week, and this has from mitchell. has come in from mitchell. >> mitchell says, should i wax my chest before i go to ibiza on thursday? so ibiza still is a thing then. >> okay. all right. >> okay. all right. >> and is mitchell a man or a woman? >> i think mitchell is a man.

but can never tell. can but you can never tell. can neven but you can never tell. can never, assume. never, should never assume. now, waxing chest that waxing the chest out, is that not very painful ? i mean, not very painful? i mean, is that something imagine it is? >> i wouldn't do it. my hair or my chest is my greatest feature . well, yes, that's why i have to keep that's why this to keep it. that's why i do this top up is just. top button up is just. >> it's the source of your strength. yeah absolutely. >> it's the source of your streit'sh. yeah absolutely. >> it's the source of your streit'sh. ye.|t'sbsolutely. >> it's the source of your streit'sh. ye.|t's like. |tely. >> it's the source of your streit'sh. ye.|t's like. yes. >> it's like. it's like. yes samson. it's like i shave it, samson. it's like if i shave it, i'd go weak. >> mean, do you think is >> yes. i mean, do you think is waxing something that you would do? >> i'm more concerned about the question. >> i mean, why would you ask three men? should he wax your chest before going ipp? >> that is a very good point. ask a woman. >> i don't know. >> i don't know. >> yeah, well, think he speaks >> yeah, well, i think he speaks for all of us. >> victor speaks for all we don't don't know what don't know. we don't know what you to you should do when it comes to waxing but i think waxing your chest. but i think the also. the consensus is also. >> it and then go >> yeah, shave it and then go to zante or wherever is. zante or wherever it is. >> shave it, go. okay >> shave it, go. okay >> well, thanks so much >> well, look, thanks so much for for free speech for joining us for free speech nation. the when nation. this was the week when the canterbury the archbishop of canterbury weighed the university weighed in on the university free debate. football free speech debate. football punditry less punditry became a little less laddish man won. miss laddish and a man won. miss netherlands, thank you so much

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