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broadcaster and journalist and also political commentator sam dowler . in a few moments also political commentator sam dowler. in a few moments time, i'll be mucking the week with diane spencer. but before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines . news headlines. >> nana. thank you very much and good afternoon. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. sir keir starmer is urging london's mayor, sadiq khan , to reflect on mayor, sadiq khan, to reflect on the expansion of ulez after labour's byelection loss in uxbndge labour's byelection loss in uxbridge and south ruislip protesters are gathering outside the bbc in london this afternoon with many expressing anger at the mayor's plans to expand the ultra low emission zone. the labour leader says that whilst his party is reflecting on the reasons for the byelection loss , they must show historic levels of effort, discipline and focus i >> -- >> as -- >>as| >> as i have said, we should reflect on this, including the mayor. i've spoken to him, as you would expect , mayor. i've spoken to him, as you would expect, and so mayor. i've spoken to him, as you would expect , and so there you would expect, and so there will be that reflection on. but we're not sitting back . we're we're not sitting back. we're not looking over our shoulder.

we're pressing forward. there should an election, should be an election, a by—election in bedfordshire by—election in mid bedfordshire . and so i'm here talking to local residents , to people who local residents, to people who are now fed up and want a by—election desperately and want to vote labour. so yes, of course we reflect, but we're moving forward here because of course, you know, the goal is to get that general election millions of rail passengers are facing disruption today as strikes by the rmt continue new on one of the busiest travel days of the year. >> thousands of rmt members at 14 train companies are walking out over pay and conditions. services are also disrupted because of a ban on overtime by aslef train drivers. meanwhile while the port of dover says it could take passenger up to 2.5 hours to pass through border checks during peak hours as schools have broken up for the holidays, enhanced post—brexit passport checks by french border officials have also increased processing times . travel expert processing times. travel expert simon calder has been at the port of dover this morning . port of dover this morning. >> he cars expected to turn up

at a rate of 13 per minute . and at a rate of 13 per minute. and certainly the rate i've been seeing them here so far this morning that feels about right. this, of course, is the ferry port that takes people to across to calais and also to dunkirk. actually, just looking around , actually, just looking around, it's moving pretty slowly. they are saying that they could possibly be have have delays of 2.5 hours more children will be allowed to use electronic passport gates when new rules come into effect from monday. >> the age of those permitted to use the e—gates will be lowered from 12 to 10. the change comes following successful trials at three of london's major airports . hundreds of thousands of people are expected to depart from heathrow and gatwick over the coming days as the peak summer holiday season begins , as summer holiday season begins, as around 200,000 are expected at manchester airport and 71,000 at bristol. all families going on

european beach holidays are being hit by higher prices compared with last summer due to inflation. new figures from the post office show the cost of meals, drinks and beach items have risen year on year. puglia in italy was the only location where prices for uk visitors have dropped the highest annual increases are in bulgaria , increases are in bulgaria, turkey and madeira . tom jones turkey and madeira. tom jones has criticised a decision to prevent choirs from singing one of his classic songs at rugby matches. i'm on my delilah . matches. i'm on my delilah. delilah was first cut from choir playlists in 2015 before being officially removed this year due to concerns over its references to concerns over its references to the murder of a woman playing to the murder of a woman playing to a crowd at cardiff castle last night. sir tom said that while the choir has stopped singing the song, the crowd couldn't be stopped and he'll keep singing it as well . keep singing it as well. supermarkets have more than doubled their margins on fuel

since russias invasion of ukraine, the rac says. asda tesco, morrisons and sainsbury's were making an average of around 4.7 pence per litre on fuel sales when the ukraine war began last year . the motoring company last year. the motoring company found that this had increased to around £0.10 per litre, leading to those higher pump prices. super market fuel margins were 2.3 pence per litre back in 2016. and finally england have won their women's world cup match with a 1—0 victory over haiti in brisbane. it took 29 minutes for georgia stanway to push the lionesses into the lead , with a retaken penalty aiming that ball low into the left corner of the net. the lionesses, who have lost just once in 33 games under their current manager , take on denmark current manager, take on denmark in their second group match next week . you're with gb news. we'll week. you're with gb news. we'll bnng week. you're with gb news. we'll bring you more as it happens. now it's back to nana .

now it's back to nana. >> good afternoon. it's fast approaching. six minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana o'quinn. it's time to mock the week. and what a busy one. it's been at the beginning we discovered that coops in fact closed nigel farages account because he did not align with their values. that was after nigel made a subject access request and received a 40 page dossier which actually read as though it had been written by a school bully in the dossier it called nigel racist, xenophobic , a grifter, and cited posts on his social media like the one when nigel retweeted a ricky gervais tweet about women. the actual old fashioned ones . i actual old fashioned ones. i mean, it was ridiculous. yet the bbc reporter, business editor simon jacques, who incorrectly reported that the account was closed for commercial reasons, refused and still refuses to actually apologise. instead, simon backtracked and posted this tweet and the headline of

the farage story has been clarified and an update posted . clarified and an update posted. it should have been clearer that the reason for mr fraga's account being closed was commercial was what the source told the bbc. that is being corrected . it's not a game of corrected. it's not a game of simon, says simon. you don't parrot what you hear as a journalist. you're supposed to have a bit of due diligence. and i wonder who that source might have been because midweek it have been, because midweek it transpired that simon happened to next to dame alison rose. to sit next to dame alison rose. now she's the ceo of cuts to charity dinner, and that was the night before his infamous tweet . i wonder , i'm afraid, simon . i wonder, i'm afraid, simon that simply not good enough. a decent journalist would have admitted their error instead of saying that the source got it wrong . simon's mistake from our wrong. simon's mistake from our reputable state broadcaster, owned and paid for by us, was a green light to the established media to take that on as gospel and pile into nigel. there was and pile into nigel. there was an apology of sorts from coots

in a letter, but if they are truly sorry, surely proof of this would be to reinstate nigel and bank accounts. and as and his bank accounts. and as for simon, well, it's not over, but moving on. oh, dear. what a terrible time. the montecito monas , harry and meghan appear monas, harry and meghan appear to be having prince harry's memoir, spare is the most dumped book of the summer with up to 100 copies being left behind by holidaymakers at resorts in spain , greece and turkey. spain, greece and turkey. there's loads of them going spare as hotels rush to ditch copies of the beleaguered memoir . and people are arguing in his defence that it's because it's such a big book and there's only so much weight that you can carry. but i'm not buying that. even though i finished my favourite book, harper lee's to kill a mockingbird, there's no way you'd find me leaving that anywhere for tour operator of on the beach. chief customer officer zoe harris told the sun. we've never witnessed anything like it . lost property offices like it. lost property offices in our most popular resorts are brimming with copies of spare. we thought it was funny at first, but over the past few

months, several other hotels have been sending the books back . frankly, no one can be to read his diatribe. i mean, what's the appeal of an interminable whinge fest from a 30 something year old spoilt brat .7 papa cut me old spoilt brat? papa cut me off. he didn't, but he should have in the real world. harry mama and papa don't usually have millions to hand out to their kids when they finally leave home in their mid 30s. you're a grown man , so grow up, harry. it grown man, so grow up, harry. it seems the eu are still bitter over brexit this week a document calling the british overseas territory of the falklands both the islas malvinas, argentina's favoured name for them and the falkland islands. now the document was published yesterday after a two day summit between the 27 eu member states and the celac, which is the bloc of 33 latin american countries. now they decided to call the falkland islands and las malvinas in a treaty in an attempt to bid for sovereignty negotiations . and james negotiations. and james cleverly, our very own foreign secretary, demanded that the

european council president, charles michel clarin , defied charles michel clarin, defied the bloc's position, but his request was refused and an eu insider basically said the uk is not part of the eu . if they not part of the eu. if they were, then perhaps they would have been pushed. they could have been pushed. they could have pushed back it. have pushed back against it. the official said that the official also said that the argentines have spun it in a certain we when will these certain way. we when will these poor people get over the fact that the majority of the people in this country voted, voted in this country who voted, voted to eu and the ten to leave the eu and the ten years and the ten years ago, 99.8% of falkland islanders voted in a referendum, too. to say they wanted to be part of the uk. so it seems that the eu bullies just don't believe in democracy, which is one of the reasons why i voted to leave. this also saw the tories this week also saw the tories lose two out of three by elections. but interestingly they boris's ex seat they held on to boris's ex seat of and south ruislip of uxbridge and south ruislip with small majority. but with a very small majority. but the is they won . the the fact is they still won. the winning tory candidate, steve tuckwell is diametrically opposed mayor sadiq khan's opposed to mayor sadiq khan's ulez extension, which will which was deal breaker for many , and was a deal breaker for many, and opening to labour would

opening the door to labour would enable go ahead . so some enable it to go ahead. so some ulez and some you win or some you win some you lose . i love you win some you lose. i love that. you win some you lose. i love that . oh, i delivered that so that. oh, i delivered that so badly. but to curry favour sadiq has now come out with a scheme to protect women. it's called may have a listen. >> well you need to lay down the ground rules straight away. >> is that what you did with that girl you took out in shoreditch? >> yeah. well no, no, she ghosted me. >> probably wouldn't know a good thing if it slapped her in the face. >> someone i'd gladly do it for i >> -- >> see you again, mate . what did >> see you again, mate. what did i do now? stop >> just stop, man. you can't be saying that, bro. >> that's serious stuff . >> that's serious stuff. >> that's serious stuff. >> obviously, i'd never do it. yeah but just saying it is bad enough, man . enough, man. >> well , enough, man. >> well, perhaps seeing as every day, three days a week , every day, three days a week, every three days, a woman . women are three days, a woman. women are killed by men . that would also killed by men. that would also do you think that would help? i mean, if perhaps what would even help more is if their leaders sir keir starmer would clarify what woman is and make

what a woman is and make sure that are kept out that biological men are kept out of only spaces. but a of women only spaces. but on a positive i'm pleased positive note, i'm very pleased to hall , who to say that suzanne hall, who is a been voted as the a woman, has been voted as the new tory mayoral candidate. so maybe mayor maybe she can get rid of mayor sadiq . and finally, not in sadiq khan. and finally, not in a but obviously be a nasty way, but obviously be voted in instead of him. and finally, joe biden, finally, to help joe biden, they're sandbags they're removing sandbags and steps. reduced the steps. they've reduced the number of them getting onto air force one. he is now force one. here he is now climbing up the steps. you can literally see it. your heart sort of sinks. no so many steps he's to out. yep yep. he's got to slip out. yep yep. he the steps , not he slips going up the steps, not down. oh, twice. he does it. yeah. so hopefully that will help. sleepy . joe it's been help. sleepy. joe it's been a mucky old week . so before we get mucky old week. so before we get stuck into the debates over the next hour, let's let me introduce you to my panel on the way. i'll have some great people joining me, of course, the fabulous lizzie cundy and also sam dowler. but joining me now, comedian she'll sam dowler. but joining me now, cormaking she'll sam dowler. but joining me now, cormaking light she'll sam dowler. but joining me now, cormaking light of she'll sam dowler. but joining me now, cormaking light of this she'll sam dowler. but joining me now, cormaking light of this week'sl be making light of this week's

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non—apology non—apology from simon jacks . and he said that he simon jacks. and he said that he did it for commercial reasons, right? so he said , oh, yeah, right? so he said, oh, yeah, right. nigel farage does not augn right. nigel farage does not align with us. and so for commercial reasons, we're dropping him now . have dropping him now. have i understood that correctly? yeah but like, who are you trying to appeal your to ? business because appeal your to? business because number one, your business has a threshold that you need to have sort of £3 million in the bank. so already your target market's pretty small. i'm also going to guess that a lot of your target market actually like nigel because they probably hang out with him because they probably all hang out in same clubs. all hang out in the same clubs. so what commercial so i'm not sure what commercial angle this is going for. like the people that are going to sort of go, well, well done, you coots because you know, nigel says things that i don't agree with. so yeah close his bank account. those people are also glueing themselves to tarmac i don't think they've got the financial capacity to get involved with cuts so i think thatis involved with cuts so i think that is a very strange business error. >> it does seem that way. yeah.

and put aside that it was and but put aside that it was all this this esg thing, which is a diversity inclusion is a diversity and inclusion scores these companies have scores that these companies have to themselves and to align themselves with. and the lgbt+ and bame and all the more lgbt+ and bame and all that , then you get more points. that, then you get more points. apparently you get , oh, they're apparently you get, oh, they're saving up points. even if you lose your customers , because lose all your customers, because obviously nobody trust you lose all your customers, because ob keeply nobody trust you lose all your customers, because ob keep yourbody trust you lose all your customers, because ob keep your mouth trust you lose all your customers, because ob keep your mouth shut st you lose all your customers, because ob keep your mouth shut and»u lose all your customers, because ob keep your mouth shut and trap to keep your mouth shut and trap shut about how they have in shut about how much they have in their is their accounts, which is obviously gone obviously what must have gone on in , because in some respects, because they basically didn't in some respects, because they basicetheir didn't in some respects, because they basicetheir threshold didn't in some respects, because they basicetheir threshold .didn't reach their threshold. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> which think immensely >> which i think was immensely rude. of , you know. rude. i mean, sort of, you know. okay. i don't agree with okay. so i don't agree with everything that nigel says , but everything that nigel says, but i that when a bank like i think that when a bank like decides, no, you're not going to have an account at all. and also to do it to a 59 year old man, i mean, does know what paypal mean, does he know what paypal is ? is he do know? i'm not is? is he do you know? i'm not i'm not being rude that old. >> i know it's not that old. couple of older than me. couple of years older than me. what about? what are you on about? >> just saying that, what are you on about? >> you've just saying that, what are you on about? >> you've lost.saying that, like you've lost. >> the apps stuff. >> relearn the apps and stuff. >> relearn the apps and stuff. >> honey , let's move on >> honey, honey, let's move on to harry and his memoir. to the harry and his memoir. spare them going spare. spare loads of them going spare. sadly

>> em yeah- >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> i did not know that >> i mean, i did not know that tour operators returned lost property. had i known right. there have been many drunken nights i could have reclaimed stuff . yeah. apparently people stuff. yeah. apparently people are leaving this book everywhere. but you've got to think, love to think, right? i would love to know journey the know the actual journey of the books. quite like march books. it's not quite like march of penguins, it's of the penguins, but it's sort of the penguins, but it's sort of . like i imagine of similar. like i imagine all the start in the same the books start in the same bookshop in gatwick. do you see what i mean ? and you sort of what i mean? and you sort of walk through gatwick and you go, oh, you what? i will oh, do you know what? i will read i'll have read that book, i'll have a look. what has to look. i'll see what he has to say. then the time you look. i'll see what he has to say.there, hen the time you look. i'll see what he has to say.there, you the time you look. i'll see what he has to say.there, you thinke time you look. i'll see what he has to say.there, you think itime you look. i'll see what he has to say.there, you think i wasn't u get there, you think i wasn't interested in this anyway? and i reckon that's what's happened because think that because i don't think that because i don't think that because so unusual. because this book is so unusual. >> it's boring, though, is it? >> it's boring, though, is it? >> oh, yeah. it is boring to listen a bloke whinge >> oh, yeah. it is boring to liste all a bloke whinge >> oh, yeah. it is boring to liste all the bloke whinge >> oh, yeah. it is boring to liste all the stuff loke whinge >> oh, yeah. it is boring to liste all the stuff in:e whinge >> oh, yeah. it is boring to listeall the stuff in it.vhinge and all the stuff in it. >> we know all the big the highlights the locals highlights in it or the locals lowlights of it like his frost bitten bits, you know, like you know elizabeth arden cream . oh know elizabeth arden cream. oh i use that under my eyes as well. and every time i get sort of like some sort of ptsd about

what he was saying, i think, oh , i'll put it under my. i think, oh you it's and you oh, you know, it's me and you start. it's not the same tube though . it's not the same tube. though. it's not the same tube. but what he's for that but what he's done for that brand unhelpful. yeah brand is unhelpful. yeah >> word. >> yeah. oh, my word. >> yeah. oh, my word. >> i didn't even think that. >> i didn't even think of that. well, consider legal well, they should consider legal action. words . so we had action. my words. so we had that. we have. oh, yeah. now the islas malvinas is las malvinas. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i mean , do you know what this >> i mean, do you know what this is? where language is very important, isn't it? because we've got a lot about language, right now. because we've got no, you have got to call me by my right you being right pronouns or you are being rude. of it right. rude. and the rest of it right. well, in a weird way well, the pronoun in a weird way is the falkland islands. that's what they want to be called. and what they want to be called. and what you call a region is actually very important because , like it depends on what comes from it. like you can't call prosecco champagne because they had that whole legal battle. no, it's a protection, isn't it? yeah. and you can't call like, you know, any old pasty a cornish pasty. it's got to come

from cornwall. so i think this is. this is this is a firing shot by the eu. >> well, that's what they are. they are a protection racket, ultimately, isn't it? because it's ism, it's all about protection ism, which they which is how they keep everything specific to the eu countries. it's protectionist countries. so it's protectionist protectionism and they're they're treading a very political line . now, what political fine line. now, what do of sadiq and do you make of sadiq khan and his all, of his new. well, first of all, of course, tories, 1—1 course, the tories, they won 1—1 of managed to of the seats, so they managed to hold on. yeah. >> and they held purely >> and they held on purely because ulez. because because of the ulez. because it's and time it's been proved time and time again that nobody wants to do it andifs again that nobody wants to do it and it's actually not going to help . so stop it . and it's actually not going to help . so stop it. but yeah, this help. so stop it. but yeah, this mate thing, i don't think sadiq khan knows what real people sound like . sound like. >> may. >> may. i >> may. i don't >> may. i don't think >> may. i don't think he >> may. i don't think he knows how people interact . and i how people interact. and i watched one of the adverts where this bloke is sort of giving it all to this woman. i'm sorry , all to this woman. i'm sorry, but if a man started to talking like me , he'd get like you or me, he'd get a mouthful. i think . mouthful. i think. >> descending. it's a bit silly, isn't it ? yeah, it's. isn't it? yeah, it's. >> i mean, i can understand when they're of all in group they're sort of all in a group together and they have to

self—police. you're self—police. but when you're out there and you've got there on the town and you've got to yourself, the to stick up for yourself, the idea just going idea that a woman's just going to. is talking to to. oh, no, a man is talking to me. to cry hide in me. i'm going to cry and hide in a hole. it's like, no, no, we are than that. thank you. are better than that. thank you. >> but sadiq khan. >> but sadiq khan. >> sadiq khan, right? and >> well, sadiq khan, right? and what about what about the final step? joe biden ? they finally step? joe biden? they finally reduced number steps on reduced the number of steps on air going the plane. air force going up to the plane. they made the steps they probably made the steps bigger or something and removed imaginary sandbags that he keeps tripping worried that >> well, they're worried that with going with the sandbags, he's going to start crouching, crouching behind thinking that behind them and thinking that he's start firing at he's got to start firing at someone . someone. >> i'm open that they >> i mean, i'm open that they actually on ramp actually pull in a full on ramp and they just and he sort we slowly watch him tottering. when are get the mobility are we going to get the mobility scooter . put us on a scooter right. put us on a scooter. >> he could go on a little scooter a ramp. that's scooter on a ramp. that's such a good idea. why don't they think of that? diane stannis stairlift. stairlift stairlift. let's get a stairlift so he sort of he can just wave once that sort of graduates, that goes up and yeah, that goes up and that. yeah, come on, tanner. i've thought of that. that's good that. that's a good idea. stannah yes air stannah stair ramp. yes air force one, with its standard stairs. you'll be, like, on the

ramp, like this. saluting as it goes up the sandbags before he thinks he's back there. stop it. that's if he manages to win another term because looks another term because it looks like they're him like they're putting him forward. diane forward. i don't know why. diane spencen spencer, thank you very much. when much? when are you back on much? >> think free >> oh, gosh, i think i'm on free speech nation and i'm not sure when that's good . when that's good. >> i love it. diana spencer, thank so much. a thank you so much. as a comedian, funny lady. comedian, she's a funny lady. this gb news on tv, online this is gb news on tv, online and just to and on digital radio. just to clarify , dame was clarify that, dame rose was alice rose. alison rose she's actually the ceo of natwest, not coutts. but then natwest own coop.so coutts. but then natwest own coop. so but i get it. so just so you know . all right, you're so you know. all right, you're with me. i'm akua is with me. i'm nana akua this is gb online and on gb news on tv, online and on digital radio, on the way. legendary host dj neil fox legendary radio host dj neil fox joins me to discuss his life, career and of course , the legacy career and of course, the legacy of tony bennett, career and of course, the legacy of tony bennett , who career and of course, the legacy of tony bennett, who passed career and of course, the legacy of tony bennett , who passed away of tony bennett, who passed away sadly yesterday at the age of 96. let's get an update with sadly yesterday at the age of 96. weatherget an update with sadly yesterday at the age of 96. weather .et an update with your weather. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> good afternoon. my name is

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to come as we go into sunday. so do take care if you are out and about here through sunday morning and into the afternoon as well . but that rain will as well. but that rain will start to push southwards as we look into the new week . drier, look into the new week. drier, brighter and fresher conditions to come in behind. but southern areas looking pretty gloomy still as we start the new week. not a huge amount changing as we head towards midweek with those temperatures still remaining at or . or below average. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. well, stay tuned. >> coming up, are you or someone you know becoming more and more influenced by what's on tv, radio and social media? so for this week's political spotlight , journalist laura dodsworth and behavioural scientist patrick fagan will share with us the secret to free our minds. but next, it's time for climate control, and we're looking to the reality of electric cars, not environmentalfriendly the reality of electric cars, not environmental friendly as not so environmental friendly as you have already guessed .

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news. the people's channel, britain's news . news. the people's channel, britain's news. channel >> hello. good afternoon. if you've just tuned in, it's just coming up to 27 minutes after 3:00. is news on tv online 3:00. this is news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. now let's have a quick look at what you've been saying, referring to just stop let's referring to just stop oil let's see . did i talk about see somebody. did i talk about just stop oil referring to just stop do you think these

stop oil do you think these people will have the to try people will have the guts to try blocking match? james blocking a football match? james says the reason behind the eu's decision to call the falkland islands islas malvinas is to reinforce claim to reinforce spain's claim to gibraltar . reinforce spain's claim to gibraltar. max has a former squaddie commented that he would have have had have been delighted to have had quarters barge . there's quarters like the barge. there's little other . okay. right. little other. okay. right. listen let's move on. right. so what are we discussing ? we're what are we discussing? we're talking climate control and in climate control today, we're discussing electric cars. and as to whether whether you actually think that these cars are realistically going to be what the future will hold for us when it comes to environmental emissions, because the uk, instead of expecting in the typical british fashion, the uk, instead of expecting one month worth of rainfall, this weekend in what can only be described as a washout and we're a summer washout and we're expecting awful weather. so do you think your electric car is as green as you think? under current government plans for 2030, the sale of petrol and diesel cars will be banned from 2035. electric will be the only kind of new car that be

kind of new car that you'll be allowed buy. but recent stats allowed to buy. but recent stats have a volvo have shown that making a volvo owned electric car use owned polestar electric car use 24 tonnes of carbon dioxide , 24 tonnes of carbon dioxide, whereas a diesel volvo xc40 only used 14 tonnes of carbon dioxide . you see where going here . you see where we're going here to ? so the electric car to create? so the electric car used 70% carbon to used 70% more carbon dioxide to create it. so it is net zero simply a con hundreds of miles of overhead cables as well, and pylons are planned to be fast tracked through the planning system that can actually system so that it can actually carry the electricity needed because it stands, because the uk, as it stands, generates 14gw of energy from offshore wind farms . but in offshore wind farms. but in order to meet the net zero targets, must raise the targets, britain must raise the capacity up to 50gw. so net zero too expensive. is it ridiculous 7 too expensive. is it ridiculous ? joining me now, physicist and engineer brian cat and also meteorologist jim dale . right. meteorologist jim dale. right. so i'm going to start with you. it was all very chaotic at the start there. i apologise for that. start there. i apologise for that . i'm start there. i apologise for that. i'm going to start with you, brian . cat, talk to me you, brian. cat, talk to me about this. we're pushing to net zero. we're going with these pylons to this electricity pylons to carry this electricity . is it are we pylons to carry this electricity

.is it are we is it pylons to carry this electricity . is it are we is it realistic ask is it going to bring us the zero carbon by doing things this way? no >> um, the short answer is no. >> um, the short answer is no. >> um, the short answer is no. >> um , primarily because the >> um, primarily because the amount of energy you need to electrify this is a political ideological thing. >> it's not a practical one to electrify transport and electrify transport and electrify heating with the heat pumps is going to roughly triple the demand on the grid . the demand on the grid. >> and that's a lot more than 50gw. and the whole cost of expanding the grid , which means expanding the grid, which means it has to be tripled in place , it has to be tripled in place, right? you have to have all the pylons, the transformers pylons, all the transformers farmers and all the cables under the ground, the poll pigs on the poles have to be doubled and trebled. >> and that's going to cost you in total about £1 trillion. >> well, jim dale, you've heard about this. do you you genuinely think, though, that us going towards net zero in this way pylon will actually bring us what we've acquired? do you think it's the right way forward ? >> 7- >> there's 7— >> there's no ? >> there's no other 7 >> there's no other way forward

, to be honest you. i'm not , to be honest with you. i'm not saying panacea for saying it's a panacea for that. things going happen things are going to happen overnight or even tomorrow or even year . overnight or even tomorrow or even year. that's overnight or even tomorrow or even year . that's not the even in a year. that's not the case.i even in a year. that's not the case. i always say in this programme, in things like this, when moving it is when we're moving forward, it is an evolution. it's always been when you when things are invented, take yourself to invented, take yourself back to the phone . in the 1980s, the mobile phone. in the 1980s, it like bricks and it looked like bricks and everybody said, i'm not having it looked like bricks and everofody said, i'm not having it looked like bricks and everof them. d, i'm not having it looked like bricks and everof them. look1 not having it looked like bricks and everof them. look whereiaving it looked like bricks and everof them. look where we 1g it looked like bricks and everof them. look where we are one of them. look where we are now. that will always be the case. yes. things that case. yes. so these things that are out, generally are thrown out, generally speaking the mail and speaking by the mail and the telegraph that would telegraph that i would throw them out, to be frank with you, because they've got an agenda and is to stop net and the agenda is to stop net zero, the greening of zero, to stop the greening of the world. and we can't afford that. we talk about cost the cost by deloitte in terms of not doing anything. deloitte, the city firm, nothing to do with me trilogy, nothing to do with engineering . but they're engineering. but they're crunching the numbers and they say don't do and say if we don't do this and i think we see some of the think we can see some of the some of the fallouts in terms of the climate what doing the climate and what it's doing around the world at this moment in is going to be in time. the cost is going to be about $170 trillion going

forward . and for nominal for forward. and for nominal for nominal amount. so the more we move towards this , slowly but move towards this, slowly but surely , the better. surely, the better. >> and i'm not saying for one second electric cars, by the way, at this stage are exactly what they need to be. >> as i say, that's got to be looked at in an evolutionary way than what we've got today . than what we've got today. >> thank you. there are no benefits to climate action and certainly in the uk, if the uk were to disappear tomorrow, there would be no effect on the global climate as far as evs are concerned . and it's, as jim says concerned. and it's, as jim says , it's pointless to develop them because the technology they're using doesn't work. >> and the daily mail article actually is quite good and it refers to somebody else, a real expert. >> the point you made earlier are absolutely right. >> you've got to own your car for about 50 to 80,000 miles before the car. >> if it ever mattered. >> if it ever mattered. >> the carbon dioxide footprint

is equal to a modern petrol or diesel engine car. and guess what? that is about eight years after you bought it, at which point you have to have the battery changed, which costs between 10 and £15,000, which means your car is toast . but means your car is toast. but i did, jim, if you can get it charged, if you can get it charged, if you can get it charged, that's a good point. >> if you can even park it outside your house, if you've got somewhere to park it. yeah. sorry. go on quickly. is the sorry. go on quickly. 10s is the one can't do that one thing we can't do that brian's actually just said is cut off the uk from the rest of the world if we're we may the world as if we're we may well be an island, we may well be an island, but we may well be an island, but we may well be an island, but we may well be floating off into the middle of the atlantic our middle of the atlantic on our own, thing. own, doing our own thing. >> in of climate, >> but in terms of the climate, we do we're we cannot do that. we're adjoined. and although we're going through a period of, well , you make a good point, actually, actually, jim, i'm going you. going to stop you. >> stop you there. i'm >> i'll stop you there. i'm going to you there because going to stop you there because you we are adjoined. you are right. we are adjoined. so from where we are so as you know from where we are at standpoint, we're not really the emitters , are we? the biggest emitters, are we? it's isn't it really? it's china, isn't it really? >> of course , the china and the

>> of course, the china and the united states historically have been the top two and that will and india are catching up very fast. that will be the case. >> but the electric car is not going to help. >> no. okay. so look, your big neighbour, know, pollutes neighbour, you know, pollutes the garden, puts his litter in the garden, puts his litter in the garden, puts his litter in the garden . your other neighbour the garden. your other neighbour does. exactly. does that mean you do it because you're the small neighbour? no do what small neighbour? no you do what is this the whole small neighbour? no you do what is now. this the whole point now. >> well , i point now. >> well, i don't point now. >> well , i don't know whether >> well, i don't know whether that analogy works . it's that analogy kind of works. it's not way because if not quite the way because if your , if the your big neighbour, if the people the bigger people who are the bigger neighbours are telling you do neighbours are telling you to do something, that's going to be just name of some just as bad in the name of some sort zero ideology, sort of net zero ideology, you're to you're not really supposed to follow to go. follow it. so i've got to go. i'm sorry about that. but listen, thank you very much for your jim dale listen, thank you very much for your fabulous jim dale listen, thank you very much for your fabulous brianm dale listen, thank you very much for your fabulous brian cat.ile listen, thank you very much for your fabulous brian cat. ia and the fabulous brian cat. i need longer need to give you guys longer fact you in the fact i'd like you to in the studio. have a proper studio. we can have a proper chat. gb news on tv, chat. this is gb news on tv, onune chat. this is gb news on tv, online and digital radio. online and on digital radio. stay difficult stay tuned for difficult conversation. i'll be joined by gb news favourite lawson gb news favourite charlie lawson and incredible survivor and also an incredible survivor of abuse, taylor. she's got a fantastic campaign. also i'll be

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cars on the road this weekend and more than 2 million holiday makers trying to get overseas today is going to be the busiest day according to amateur. >> well, there is also a rail strike. there's airport queues and delays at the port of dover , which could potentially make those journeys. anything but pleasant. >> let's head to glasgow airport then. >> should we see what our scotland reporter tony mcguire has got for us? what's happening there in terms

channel >> welcome back. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv online and on digital radio. well, yesterday was kind of a sad day for many because we learned that legendary singer tony bennett died at the age of 96. now, some might say they had a good innings. he was almost 96. now, some might say they had a gobut�*nnings. he was almost 96. now, some might say they had a gobut he1gs. he was almost 96. now, some might say they had a gobut he did he was almost 96. now, some might say they had a gobut he did ae was almost 96. now, some might say they had a gobut he did a lotas almost 96. now, some might say they had a gobut he did a lot in almost 96. now, some might say they had a gobut he did a lot in his|ost 100, but he did a lot in his life. the multi award winning icon for his icon was known for his performances as performances with singers as diverse frank sinatra and diverse as frank sinatra and lady . i remember seeing lady gaga. i remember seeing this wonderful piece where lady gaga met him and she was totally taken aback. now bennett sold millions of records around the world throughout his career and won 20 grammys. and that includes a lifetime achievement award . well, joining me to award. well, joining me to reflect on the great life and legacy that tony bennett has left behind is legendary dj and broadcaster neil fox , dr. fox, broadcaster neil fox, dr. fox, neil fox , nice to talk to you. neil fox, nice to talk to you. >> so nice to talk wet afternoon. >> yes .

>> yes. >> yes. >> yeah, it is a bit it's a bit horrible about there. so people are better off staying in and watching gb news or listening to it radio. so to about it on radio. so talk to me about tony did he mean tony bennett. what did he mean to ? because as to you? because obviously as a deejay, of music. deejay, you play a lot of music. >> mm yeah. >> mm yeah. >> it's interesting because a lot of the music that tony bennett made was not the kind of stuff myself or probably stuff that myself or probably p0p stuff that myself or probably pop would have played for pop radio would have played for most of lot of his career , most of a lot of his career, apart from the very early days. >> he spans you got to >> you know, he spans you got to remember his first hit was 72 years ago. >> this is, you know , predates >> this is, you know, predates p0p >> this is, you know, predates pop radio predates . pop radio predates. >> it was just when there was music on the radio just way before the pirates, way before luxembourg , way before radio one luxembourg, way before radio one or any pop music had ever sort of appeared on our radio. >> he was a legendary crooner. he was one of those, i suppose, icons really, that when someone like frank sinatra says of tony bennett, he's the greatest voice there is. i think you know that is praise indeed, because many people would have probably said that about frank sinatra . i

that about frank sinatra. i mean, he's one of those guys. you think that from you think that has gone from being a crooner back in their first hit, 1952 to then, of course, last year being the guinness world record holder for being the oldest person ever to release an album of new music, which he did incredibly aged 95. the albums he did two albums with lady gaga that made him, you know, famous for a whole new generation as well. that in a way could really appreciate what an amazing voice he still had, despite his years . so if you despite his years. so if you think that's 2014, so we're talking what we're talking nine years ago, you know, he was still in his late 80s. the guy was an absolute oh, since i've lost doctor fox, billy like lady gaga. >> oh, let's give it a bit more of a go. see if we can get you back. oh that's such a shame. that's such a shame . tony that's such a shame. tony bennett. incredible. incredible man, fabulous performer. and of course, opened the world to a new generation of people. and last recorded album that he did

. last recorded thing he did was when he was 95 with lady gaga. and i remember pieces of and i remember seeing pieces of that thinking how incredible that and thinking how incredible he much, dr. he was. thank you so much, dr. fox, for giving us that update. but i want to move on because it's my political it's time for my political spotlight this week. now, how do you free your mind from the influence or manipulation that was currently going through with all forms of all the different forms of media? book, free your media? a new book, free your mind by journalist and author laura dodsworth and behavioural scientist and author patrick fagan provides insight into fagan provides an insight into the new world of manipulation and how to resist the aim of the book. attempts to draw a distinction between influence and manipulation and and media manipulation and provides people a manual to recognise and expose the hidden tactics used by those with certain agendas , whether it be certain agendas, whether it be social media or in the mainstream media. well, i'm very delighted to say that journalist and author laura dodsworth and also behavioural scientist and author patrick join me in author patrick fagan join me in the studio to discuss their the studio now to discuss their new book, free your mind . well, new book, free your mind. well, look, it's a great book, great book. well, i haven't had a

chance to read fully, i chance to read it fully, but i will it because will be reading it because i want to know how i can free my mind. how do i that mind. but how do i know that you're by you're not freeing my mind by putting mindset, by putting me into this mindset, by reading this book? >> well, encourage you >> well, we would encourage you to unbiased. >> nobody's ideologically neutral politically neutral. >> it would be naive to say that you can be look in a sense, all communication is a form of influence. it's a form of manipulation often. >> so we are trying to influence people. >> i'm going to come clean with you. we are, but we're trying to influence people to able influence people to be able to recognise resist influence recognise and resist influence when they want to . when they want to. >> you know, if you go on amazon, you'll see there are thousands dedicated to thousands of books dedicated to the of persuasion the dark arts of persuasion adverts using manipulation, brainwashing. >> there's thousands . >> there's thousands. >> there's thousands. >> and think this is really >> and i think this is really the first book that aims to give people all psychological principles to learn, to recognise those dark arts. >> it's a defence against the dark arts in essence. well patrick, you are a behavioural science artist. >> yes, a good one. sounds very good. behavioural scientist. so you study behaviour ? yes, quite you study behaviour? yes, quite

seriously . so. so give me you study behaviour? yes, quite seriously. so. so give me some ideas then how i could identify , recognise, give me some examples of where i'm being manipulated almost on a subliminal level. >> well, as laura said, it happens constantly, so all forms of communication are designed to influence in some way. even this conversation , even the words i'm conversation, even the words i'm stringing together to try and make think a certain way and make you think a certain way and maybe way the maybe act a certain way in the future . there certain future. but there are certain things you can spot. and you things you can spot. and if you spot them, you're less likely to be influenced by them. so one, for example , is social proof, for example, is social proof, where we're told if something is very popular, we're more likely to do it because we believe that it's safe. >> so if a hotel website tells you a hotel is very popular , you a hotel is very popular, you're more likely to book it or if they use scarcity, they might say there's only one room left. >> and more likely to >> and so you're more likely to buy it because you have that urgency and it. urgency to go and get it. >> about these tricks i >>i >> i mean, lam em >> i mean, this is this such >> i mean, this is this is such a big problem that honestly, the uk the us uk government and the us government are both investigating online choice architecture , they call it,

architecture, they call it, because it does lead poor because it does lead to poor decision making for the consumer. know, less than consumer. you know, less than optimal outcomes and it's an unfair practise because it's covert. so you know, even the governments on both sides of the ponds are investigating this. >> know, talk >> you know, you talk about social >> you know, you talk about soc something came my >> something just came to my mind on. we were mind before we came on. we were talking about the mayor of london's campaign . london's mate campaign. >> god. >> oh, god. >> oh, god. >> and know was talking >> and i know he was talking about now. about it before now. >> this actually >> i mean, this this is actually a of how a great example of how behavioural tactics are a great example of how beha�*alliral tactics are a great example of how beha�*all the tactics are a great example of how beha�*all the time tactics are a great example of how beha�*all the time intactics are a great example of how beha�*all the time in advertising used all the time in advertising , isn't it, patrick? >> we're woman and a man, >> and we're a woman and a man, and us big fans and neither of us are big fans of but that's an of this ad, but that's an example of social proof, isn't it, there. example of social proof, isn't it, yeah, here. example of social proof, isn't it, yeah, exactly. >> yeah, exactly. >> yeah, exactly. >> creating social >> so they're creating social norms a bit like drink driving. they're kind of communicating . they're kind of communicating. certain behaviours are unacceptable or uncool and therefore creating this norm that people want to so they're moulding a stigma into a certain behaviour pattern so that then you behave that way because you behave in that way because oh, behave in that way oh, you don't behave in that way because realise there's because you realise there's a stigma it, which stigma attached to it, which they're educating us about. >> that the >> well you said that the governments sort of looking governments are sort of looking into aren't they the

into this, but aren't they the worst manipulators? i mean, for example, the weather maps, that's one i would say is a sort of behavioural change. the way they ,i of behavioural change. the way they , i mean like of they start, i mean like one of they start, i mean like one of the think it's only the maps, i think it's only yesterday map looked it yesterday the map looked like it was fire. was on fire. >> so right. >> but you're so right. >> but you're so right. >> in fact, so my book >> and in fact, so my last book was fear and was called a state of fear and i investigated the government's use of behavioural and use of behavioural science and fear make people fear mongering to make people follow rules. follow the lockdown rules. >> to that end of the >> and i got to that end of the end that and it was end of that book and it was a really much kind this really very much kind of a this is we're in book. and really very much kind of a this isthought, we're in book. and really very much kind of a this isthought, well, �*e in book. and really very much kind of a this isthought, well, whatiook. and really very much kind of a this isthought, well, what now? and i thought, well, what now? and in a free your mind is the in a way free your mind is the conclusion. what conclusion. because what i realised is there's no government they're government white knight they're not yes, not coming to save us. yes, they're investigating ing other corporations using nudging and behavioural science , but they're behavioural science, but they're not investigating their own use of they're there as of it. and they're up there as some biggest culprit is. some of the biggest culprit is. you had government you know, we had a government nudge unit, although it's now ostensibly independent. and of course, you're right call out course, you're right to call out the mean, in a way, the weather. i mean, in a way, it's incredible time it's an incredible time to launch book. summer's it's an incredible time to launch consideredmmer's it's an incredible time to launch considered a mer's it's an incredible time to launch considered a terrible normally considered a terrible time a book in the time to bring out a book in the publishing world because everyone's holiday but everyone's off on holiday. but right now we're constant right now we're seeing constant behavioural science fear behavioural science and fear mongering, is all designed

mongering, which is all designed to soften you decarbonise to soften you up to decarbonise your lifestyle. because they your lifestyle. because if they said, we don't said, you know what, we don't want cars your want you to have cars turn your heating buy clothes more heating on or buy clothes more than a year, you think, heating on or buy clothes more than that a year, you think, heating on or buy clothes more than that doesn't you think, heating on or buy clothes more than that doesn't soundiink, heating on or buy clothes more than that doesn't sound very well, that doesn't sound very good. it? you good. so how do you do it? you have on people's have to play on people's emotions get them into emotions us and get them into a receptive frame of mind for the policies that to follow. policies that are to follow. >> people sort of >> but how do people sort of nudge back on that? >> because, know, for >> because, you know, for example, saw example, net zero, we saw practically the people literally did vote their droves as did not vote in their droves as the labour party would have liked vote them liked them to vote for them simply the basis of simply because on the basis of one policy you one policy where you can actually with feet. one policy where you can actu how with feet. one policy where you can actu how do with feet. one policy where you can actu how do we ith feet. one policy where you can actu how do we how feet. one policy where you can actu how do we how do feet. one policy where you can actu how do we how do feetpush but how do we how do we push back that? well we back on that? well we interviewed magician for the interviewed a magician for the book asked him, how can book and i asked him, how can you not get tricked by magic? >> his answer don't go >> and his answer was, don't go to circus . and in the same to the circus. and in the same way, powerful way, one of the most powerful things do is just switch things we can do is just switch off stop attention to off and stop paying attention to this if this stuff. because even if you're consuming it critically, it's getting into your it's still getting into your head and influencing you in some way away, but way so you can step away, but you get immunity. you can also get immunity. >> i mean, one of the chapters in the is called get in the book is called get immunity and what we do is we detail different types

immunity and what we do is we de nudges different types immunity and what we do is we de nudges ctricksit types immunity and what we do is we de nudges ctricks and)es of nudges and tricks and propaganda, because the thing is that you see them, you that once you see them, you can't unsee you went to can't unsee them. if you went to the magic show and the magician told secret the told you the secret of the trick, to trick, you'd always know how to spot part of what you spot it. so part of what you can do forewarn people all by pre do is forewarn people all by pre bunking them the way you can bunking them in the way you can show tricks that are show them the tricks that are used then learn to used and then they'll learn to recognise them . and other recognise them. and the other thing is shore up thing you can do is shore up your own psychological resilience. so for instance , resilience. so for instance, you'll have seen on social media that you get these waves of emojis and flags. people always follow the new current thing, don't they ? if you yourself know don't they? if you yourself know what your values are, if you know what your principles are, you're less likely to be filled know what your principles are, yotby less likely to be filled know what your principles are, yotby somebody to be filled know what your principles are, yotby somebody else's. filled know what your principles are, yotby somebody else's. andi know what your principles are, yotby somebody else's. and also up by somebody else's. and also with messaging, with any kind of messaging, especially propaganda, half of the message . you the problem is the message. you know, playing on our know, it's always playing on our fears, desires, our foibles fears, our desires, our foibles and landmines. in fears, our desires, our foibles a|sense landmines. in fears, our desires, our foibles a|sense , landmines. in fears, our desires, our foibles a|sense , it's landmines. in fears, our desires, our foibles a|sense , it's the landmines. in fears, our desires, our foibles a|sense , it's the workdmines. in fears, our desires, our foibles a|sense , it's the work of ines. in fears, our desires, our foibles a|sense , it's the work of the .. in a sense, it's the work of the lifetime. but we would invite people to thinking about people to start thinking about themselves because you know themselves, because if you know what your fears are, it's much harder for somebody else to play on so i did an experiment on them. so i did an experiment where was man on

where i was both a man on facebook and a woman on facebook , woman on facebook, , and as a woman on facebook, i'm loads of about, i'm getting loads of ads about, you cosmetic surgery, you know, cosmetic surgery, makeup, corsets . it's the whole makeup, corsets. it's the whole thing. so if i've already dealt with my body image, anxiety issues , that's less likely to issues, that's less likely to work on me . work on me. >> yeah, that wouldn't work on me at but what you me at all. but i see what you mean. you if you are mean. if you if you are confident in that element, mean. if you if you are confident in that element , then confident in that element, then that's but when you have that's fine. but when you have everyone has things they everyone has things that they are slightly nervous are sort of slightly nervous about insecurities about about or have insecurities about and, suppose in the way and, and i suppose in the way the social media works is it works to what are works to expose what they are from following you about from you by following you about looking the cookies, seeing looking at the cookies, seeing what and what you're interested in, and then, keeps that then, oh, keeps looking at that , keeps looking at that. and that's not a great thing. they're obviously about they're obviously insecure about that how that and they can feed in. how can that though? can you avoid that though? because ignore because you said just ignore it. but that's like an but that's like that's an impossible especially for impossible ask, especially for people like i have to go on people like me. i have to go on there. certain there. well there are certain tactical that you can do. tactical things that you can do. >> can, for example , set up >> you can, for example, set up fake . you can make it fake accounts. you can make it harder to track. you by using private browsers, that kind of thing . thing. >> mm and what about the so we

talked about the way that people that it's used to kind of trap you. and now once you've seen it, you can't unsee it. so you. and now once you've seen it, you can't unsee it . so then it, you can't unsee it. so then how do you move forward with it? because you know, is it just simply educating yourself on all of these sort of things and then knowing move forward knowing how to move forward with it? to an it? is that the main to an extent it but it's a bit like an optical illusion. >> even if you see the two lines with arrows and you know , with the arrows and you know, rationally one line is rationally that one line is bigger the other it's bigger than the other one, it's still sorry, no rush. neither both the same length. one of them still looks bigger than the other one in an optical illusion and even if know about these and even if you know about these things, can influence you things, they can influence you a little bit. so might know little bit. so you might know that apple produced too few iphones to make them scarce, to make people value them more. and yet still want the latest yet you still want the latest iphone. so immunity gives you some level of protection . but some level of protection. but the most powerful thing is , yes, the most powerful thing is, yes, you can. you're most likely to be brainwashed, but you can choose who is brainwashing you. so can who . so you can choose who. >> you. i hear you. but >> i hear you. i hear you. but but be one step

but you also have to be one step ahead about things ahead because what about things like comes into the like i when that comes into the equafion like i when that comes into the equation then do? equation, then what do we do? >> think that's a really good >> i think that's a really good point, actually. >> , the moment, >> now, at the moment, there's a lot fear mongering about al, lot of fear mongering about al, which because which is interesting because as soon i hear politicians or soon as i hear politicians or tech leaders saying, oh, it's a mass extinction event, i think really what's all the fear about? it's probably because really what's all the fear abouwere; probably because really what's all the fear abouwere getting ly because really what's all the fear abouwere getting ly becaustable they were getting around a table and they're discussing regulation . that's in what regulation. that's in fact what they're that's what they're calling for. that's what all letters want. they all the open letters want. they want to regulate. want a pause and to regulate. now about being now they talk about it being like nukes. i you what, like nukes. but i tell you what, the danger with with al is the real danger with with al is for us, the ordinary people. and it's that academics it's something that academics have for have been warning about for years. and it's algorithmic nudging. 83% of the world has nudging. so 83% of the world has a smartphone and we check our phone up to 80 times a day. we're on social media all we're all on social media all the which you do the time, which is why you do need to learn how to use it with awareness if you awareness mindfully, even if you can't and don't can't switch off. and i don't want switch either. but want to switch off either. but the is, that's now huge the thing is, that's now a huge scale. scale social scale. it's a vast scale social media is like countries. it's so big, but it can be personalised to you. and ai does make this a particularly unique time. that's

why we think the time for this bookis why we think the time for this book is now, while book is now, because while manipulation as time, manipulation is as old as time, right now, there is this confluence of ai, big tech and very sophisticated psychology techniques in a way, ai does present something of a brainwashers dream . it is a risk brainwashers dream. it is a risk because the ai can fake your voice , it can do everything. voice, it can do everything. >> so even if you think it knows you nana that's the it. it learns you through the algorithm and then it can persuade you into doing things. i mean, there was that that who was that was that guy who thought that this girl he was with a woman who loved him. that's went to the that's why he went to the guy who in who went to the queen in buckingham palace . can't buckingham palace. can't remember what did, but he remember what he did, but he went but went there. i think, anyway. but basically, ai bot that basically, it was an ai bot that he a person that was he thought was a person that was making him feel good about things. so it's worry. things. so it's a worry. >> yeah . although that kind of >> yeah. although that kind of thing always existed. >> yeah. although that kind of thiri| always existed. >> yeah. although that kind of thiri| alpeoplelisted. >> yeah. although that kind of thiri| alpeople cand. >> yeah. although that kind of thiri| alpeople can be >> i mean, people can be persuaded , but you persuaded by anyone, but you know, put into know, just to put this into context, will be able to do context, i will be able to do just several years ago. mean, just several years ago. i mean, this dim, distant tech this isn't the dim, distant tech past. several years ago, facebook from just facebook would know from just 200 your sexuality .

200 likes about your sexuality. in fact, studies showed that facebook more about you facebook knows more about you than your spouse . than anyone except your spouse. so i will in the future. is unparalleled. >> well, that's why i don't have a spouse. so that's the a spouse. so that's just the only facebook knows me. that's fair there's fair enough. there's more i could ages and could talk to you for ages and also, thank you very also, patrick, thank you very much. talk to much. really good to talk to you. your you. fabulous book, free your mind. right. mind. check it out. right. you're i'm akua. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is on tv, online this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. on the way, i'll be speaking to an inspiring survivor child inspiring survivor of child abuse campaign hashtag not abuse who's campaign hashtag not my shame has gone viral around the world. but now get an the world. but now let's get an update with your weather. >> temperatures rising , boxt >> the temperatures rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> good afternoon . my name is >> good afternoon. my name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast brought to you by the met office. so this morning's been pretty dull and wet for much of the uk and this is due to this area of low pressure here. it's bringing a bit of a squeeze in the isobars for southern areas. so some winds come

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hello. good afternoon . this is hello. good afternoon. this is the gb news on tv , online and on the gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua for the next few hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headunes the big topics hitting the headlines right now. show headlines right now. this show is about opinion. it's mine, is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and course it's it's theirs. and of course it's yours. be debating, yours. we'll be debating, discussing, we will discussing, and at times we will disagree. be disagree. but no one will be cancelled . so joining me today cancelled. so joining me today is broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy and also political commentator sam dowler .

lizzie cundy and also political commentator sam dowler. but before we get started , let's get before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines . your latest news headlines. >> thank you very much, nana. i'm rory smith in the gb newsroom. i'm sir keir starmer is urging london's mayors to deacon to reflect on the expansion of ulez after labour's byelection loss in uxbridge and south ruislip protesters are gathered outside the bbc in london this afternoon, with many expressing anger at the mayor's plans to expand the ultra low emission zone. the labour leader says that while his party is reflecting on the reasons for the byelection loss , they must the byelection loss, they must show historic levels of effort, discipline and focus. >> i don't think there's any doubt that ulez was the reason that we lost the by—election in uxbndge that we lost the by—election in uxbridge , and i have said we uxbridge, and i have said we should reflect on this, including the mayor i've spoken to him, as you would expect. and so there will be that reflection. but we're not sitting back. we're not looking

over our shoulder. we're pressing forward. there should be an election, a by—election in mid bedfordshire . and so i'm mid bedfordshire. and so i'm here talking to local residents , to people who are now fed up and want a by—election desperately and want to vote laboun desperately and want to vote labour. so yes , of course we labour. so yes, of course we reflect, but we're moving forward here because of course, you know, the goal is to get that general election . that general election. >> millions of people face travel disruption today on one of the busiest travel days of the year. rmt members at 14 train companies are on strike over the ongoing row over paying conditions. services are also disrupted because of a ban on overtime by aslef train drivers . meanwhile, passengers face a one hour delay at border checks at the port of dover. enhanced post—brexit passport checks by french border officials has also increased processing times. well, travel expert simon calder has been at the port this morning. >> cars expected to turn up at a rate of 13 per minute . and

rate of 13 per minute. and certainly the rate i've been seeing them here so far this morning , that feels about right. morning, that feels about right. this, of course , is the ferry this, of course, is the ferry port that takes people to across to calais and also to dunkirk. actually just looking around , actually just looking around, it's moving pretty slowly . they it's moving pretty slowly. they are saying they could possibly be have have delays of 2.5 hours, plans to scrap london's day travelcard will see them disappear from stations as early as january next year. >> the paper tickets are mostly used by visitors to the capital who are able to travel throughout the city at no extra cost. well, despite selling around a million of the travel cards over the past financial yean cards over the past financial year, offering the tickets costs tfl around £40 million annually, an order issued by london's mayor will see the tickets scrapped next year . mayor will see the tickets scrapped next year. families going on european beach holidays are being hit by higher prices

compared with last summer due to inflation. new figures from the post office show the cost of meals, drinks and beach items have risen year on year. puglia in italy was the only location where prices for uk visitors have dropped the highest annual increases are in bulgaria , increases are in bulgaria, turkey and madeira . tom jones turkey and madeira. tom jones has criticised a decision to prevent choirs from singing one of his classic songs at rugby matches . i of his classic songs at rugby matches. i my, of his classic songs at rugby matches . i my, my. matches. i my, my. >> i rely . the delilah was first >> i rely. the delilah was first cut from choir playlists in 2015 before being officially removed this year due to concerns over its references to the murder of a woman while playing to a crowd at cardiff castle last night. >> sir tom said that while the choir has stopped singing the song, the crowd couldn't be stopped. and he'll keep singing it well . supermarkets have it as well. supermarkets have more than doubled their margins

in fuel since russia's invasion of ukraine. the rsc says . asda, of ukraine. the rsc says. asda, tesco morrisons unseen esprits were making an average of around 4.7 pence per litre on fuel sales when the ukraine war began last year. the motoring company found this had increased to around £0.10 per litre, leading to higher pump prices. sabre market fuel margins were 2.3 pence per litre . in 2016. pence per litre. in 2016. england have won their first women's world cup match with a 1—0 victory over haiti in brisbane. it took 29 minutes for georgia stanway to push the lionesses into the lead with a retaken penalty. eamonn the ball low into the left corner of the net, the lionesses have lost just once in 33 games under the current manager take on denmark in their second group match next. last week . very best of next. last week. very best of luck to them. melissa gb news will bring you more as it happens. will bring you more as it happens . now will bring you more as it happens. now though, it's back

to nana . to nana. >> good afternoon . you're with >> good afternoon. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. it's just coming up to seven minutes after 4:00. the arbiters of morality. but they had refused to properly apologise for what has clearly been disgraceful behaviour from an institution that we bailed out and still own some 40% of on an institution that we fund. yes i'm talking about rbs and their posh arm cuts and the bbc at the beginning of the week we discovered that a source had actually lied about the reason why nigel farage has coot's account had been closed. it turns out that after nigel obtained a subject access request which anyone can actually obtain to find out what the bank had been saying about him in their records, it clearly

revealed that his account had been closed because he did not augn been closed because he did not align with their political values . so political reasons , values. so political reasons, their values in the dossier it called nigel racist, xenophobic and cited posts on his social media. like for example, they even noted that nigel retweeted ricky gervais when he talked about women , the old fashioned about women, the old fashioned ones. remember that ? in fact, ones. remember that? in fact, they described him as , and i'm they described him as, and i'm quoting them here, the regard mr farage as a disingenuous grifter who panders to racists . oh, let who panders to racists. oh, let me let me read this bit to you. under the alignment to purpose and the bank purpose section, it states that there are several factors and behaviours demonstrated by nigel farage, which arguably do not align with values that serve the common good and that treat people with dignity and respect. we when viewed from our perspective, however , we are considering him however, we are considering him as an indian people and to some extent that does include expecting. not all his views

will be the same as ours. however however, when considering his esg diversity and inclusion, so esg is basically bame and lgbt rights, the comments articles are not in line with our views and purpose . well, blow me . when did the . well, blow me. when did the banks become the arbiters of morality yet ? the bbc reporter morality yet? the bbc reporter business editor simon jack, who incorrectly reported that nigel's account was closed for commercial reasons , refused and commercial reasons, refused and still refuses to apologise . still refuses to apologise. instead, simon backtracked by posting this tweet , the headline posting this tweet, the headline of the farage story has been clarified and an update posted. it should have been clearer that the reason for mr farage account being closed was commercial was that this was what a source told the bbc. see, that is being corrected . i wonder who that corrected. i wonder who that source might be because midweek it transpired that simon happened to sit next to dame alison rose, the ceo of natwest , at a charity dinner the night

before his infamous tweet. i'm afraid, simon that's simply not good enough. a decent journalist would have admitted their errors instead of saying that the source got it wrong. i mean, this isn't a game of simon says being a good journalist isn't about parroting what you hear without due diligence . simon's without due diligence. simon's mistake from our reputable state broadcaster, owned and paid for by us, was a green light to the established media. to take that as gospel and pile into nigel. there was an apology of sorts from coutts, but if they are truly sorry, surely proof of this would be to reinstate nigel's bank accounts? and as for simon, it's not over. on thursday , the bbc issued thursday, the bbc issued a correction to its story on the 6:00 news. in summary, ross atkins basically said , the atkins basically said, the source said politics had nothing to do with it. we can now see that it did still no actual apology from simon jack about his own behaviour. funny that these so—called arbiters of morality , like the banks and the morality, like the banks and the bbc, they seem to be unable to climb down from their moral high

chairs, especially when they've clearly got something wrong in the bible. it says , you the bible. it says, you hypocrite. first take the plank out of your own eye and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eyes. that's in matthew chapter . that's in matthew chapter. seven, verse . five right. so seven, verse. five right. so before we get stuck into the debates, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, could the tories win the next if they abandon next election if they abandon net zero, the recent by—election result in boris johnson's old electorate of uxbridge and south ruislip has proved if the tories get their act together and abandon their eco zealotry, they might still stand a chance at the next election . then stay the next election. then stay tuned. at 450, it's royal roundup. angela levin will be live give latest from live to give me the latest from behind walls on the behind the palace walls on the menu. kensington palace has released a new to mark released a new photo to mark prince george's 10th birthday. plus, did harry and meghan seriously try to catch a ride with joe biden after

with president joe biden after the late queen's funeral last year ? do they have no shame? and year? do they have no shame? and then at 5:00. this week's difficult conversation on i'll be by gb news favourite be joined by gb news favourite charlie lawson, who will introduce an extraordinary introduce me to an extraordinary survivor abuse has turned survivor of abuse who has turned her not my shame campaign into a viral global sensation . stay viral global sensation. stay tuned. you won't want to miss her extraordinary story that's on way. but tell me what you on the way. but tell me what you think. ever, everything think. as ever, on everything we're email we're discussing. email gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb news. all right, let's at. gb news. all right, let's get started. let's welcome again to my panel broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy and also political commentator sam dowler . right. so let's start with you, sam dowler. your hair looks very squiffy. thank you. you sort of look like a penguin in very squiffy. thank you. you sortmiddle; like a penguin in very squiffy. thank you. you sortmiddle .like a penguin in very squiffy. thank you. you sortmiddle . he a penguin in very squiffy. thank you. you sortmiddle . he does,|guin in very squiffy. thank you. you sortmiddle . he does, doesn't he? the middle. he does, doesn't he? you're a waiter. >> penguin wants to. rosie was . >> penguin wants to. rosie was. >> penguin wants to. rosie was. >> yes, we like that. >> yes, we like that. >> we like. so what do think >> we like. so what do you think the arbiters of morality, the banks arbiters of morality, they're their high they're on their moral high chairs they've it wrong. chairs. they've got it wrong. right. bbc. they've got it right. the bbc. they've got it

wrong. clearly an error wrong. this is clearly an error . prepared actually . nobody's prepared to actually use sorry . use the word sorry. >> i first of all, >> well, i mean, first of all, i mean, said this mean, i've said on this channel that think a bank like that i don't i think a bank like coutts, for example, an elite coutts, for example, is an elite bank and if they choose that they somebody banking they don't want somebody banking with them, that their with them, that is their decision. but i think like decision. but i don't think like for example you say you say like what are, what are the views of a bank. >> i don't know. like they don't advertise what their views are. they don't advertise what, you know, because know, like bank with us because we know, because we because we you know, because we because we you know, because we because we lgbtq because we support lgbtq people, because they like so. they all say that or like so. >> so i think it's weird. like, i maybe know, i mean, maybe we, you know, should small should nigel have read the small print to coutts print before he went to coutts because i know coutts is like a, like a famed bank for celebs like is a famed bank for celebs and for you know sports stars and for you know sports stars and stuff. so like i find that quite bizarre. >> but when comes the bbc, >> but when it comes to the bbc, i don't it sounds like you know this this simon jacques guy has got some erroneous information and i noticed at the time that nobody else because i think actually we said it to the three of us that they didn't nobody else it up. no one else

else picked it up. no one else picked it that that was the picked it up, that that was the that was reason that was the that was the reason because everybody like, because everybody else was like, what? sources? because everybody else was like, whtbecause sources? because everybody else was like, wht because clearly rces? because everybody else was like, whtbecause clearly weren't >> because they clearly weren't strong then he's had to come back. >> and of course, i mean, the headune >> and of course, i mean, the headline has only changed from one thing. >> two sources say the sources got it wrong. that is the that is that is the only thing that has changed. mean, don't changed. so, i mean, i don't know. i mean, i think it's all very for people pile on very easy for people to pile on to farage, at the end to nigel farage, but at the end of you know, is of the day is that, you know, is that the banks that is that really the banks you should they you know, issue? should they should doing that? should they be doing that? i don't so. just don't think so. well, i just want how brave. want to say how brave. >> nigel is coming >> nigel moore is for coming forward telling all what forward and telling us all what happened to him because he didn't and he's helped. happened to him because he did so and he's helped. happened to him because he did so many and he's helped. happened to him because he did so many others he's helped. happened to him because he did so many others who helped. happened to him because he did so many others who havezd. happened to him because he did so many others who have had >> so many others who have had this to as well. this done to as well. >> afraid. yes, sorry is >> and i'm afraid. yes, sorry is seems to be the hardest word for sure. i think it's sure. and i think it's absolutely disgusting looking at that 40 page dossier. i mean, even him being friends with a tennis player , i mean, i thought tennis player, i mean, i thought to myself, i know boris becker. am i in trouble? i mean , it am i in trouble? i mean, it really is something else. and you know, it you know, i find it extraordinary that in modern corporate britain, being politically correct matters more

than making profit. s this is so sad, and i'm sorry. simon. jack's not good enough. we trust the bbc, you know, check your information , check your sources, information, check your sources, which i'm afraid to say does seem like it is dame alison rose as they were sitting next to each other and nigel got the call from the bbc the following day. simon jack should apologise. got wrong and apologise. he got it wrong and we're supposed trust the bbc. we're supposed to trust the bbc. we pay for the bbc. you know, it's supposed to be unbiased. well it's none of the above. >> well, mean, let's say, >> well, i mean, let's say, for argument's potentially argument's sake, potentially just say that for argument's sake, somebody at that sake, it was somebody at that dinner or that lunch or dinner party or that lunch or whatever was. you never take whatever it was. you never take any to what any don't listen to what somebody said. they've a somebody said. if they've had a few you, whoever told few drinks, you, whoever told pay few drinks, you, whoever told pay but that's what it pay me. but that's what it sounds. >> that's what it sounds. that's what it sounds like. >> sounded like such >> because it sounded like such a of a jokey way. he's just a sort of a jokey way. he's just going off money like, you going off money and like, you know, was that know, and he was that his source. somebody you know, and he was that his soura�*. somebody you know, and he was that his soura�*. you somebody you know, and he was that his soura�*. you maybe mebody you know, and he was that his soura�*. you maybe thoughtyou know, and he was that his soura�*. you maybe thought she had a few you maybe thought she was canary. was singing like a canary. >> give her a or like a >> yeah. give her a or like a parrot. and he parroted it. it's not. says, remember

not. simon says, do you remember that they were >> well, apparently they were very . and obviously very engaging. and obviously simon giving a loads of simon jack was giving a loads of shampoos was singing shampoos and she was singing like say it like a canary. maybe just say it was her. >> she hasn't said it so well. >> she hasn't said it so well. >> she hasn't it. and >> she hasn't said it. and obviously, journalist obviously, we know a journalist can't reveal their sources. that's of main things. that's one of the main things. but rose be in but dame alison rose could be in a trouble . you're not a lot of trouble. you're not supposed to release customer information, is , is her. >> no, but there is a if it is, there's trouble. >> and she would wasn't it wasn't the correct information ehhen >> it wasn't it wasn't to do with how much money he had in his was with his account. it was to do with political so therefore, his account. it was to do with pcwasn't so therefore, his account. it was to do with pcwasn't she so therefore, his account. it was to do with pcwasn't she so tievenire, his account. it was to do with pcwasn't she so tieven if, it wasn't that she got even if she did say, i think it does sound like, you know, a boozed up joke that he's gone . yeah, up joke that he's gone. yeah, she wasn't sorry. i want . she wasn't sorry. i want. >> but know what if i was, >> but you know what if i was, you enough bank you know, rich enough to bank with maybe i will be with coutts and maybe i will be i i'd better be at some i think i'd better be at some point. if i'm rich enough to point. but if i'm rich enough to bank won't want to bank accounts, i won't want to bank accounts, i won't want to bank it feels bank with them because it feels to somewhere to me like somebody somewhere has information about has given away information about my personal finances, which is i'm sure a data i'm sure there's a data protection issue there as well. >> mean, are banks vetting

>> i mean, why are banks vetting your political beliefs? i thought call me old thought banks call me old fashioned, but i thought you go there for loans, mortgages , there for loans, mortgages, business as well. >> that is a is a self—styled divisive character. like well, so what? >> am i. >> so am i. >>- >> so am i. >> no, so are you. yeah, i know. but specifically but he was like, specifically through whole brexit debate. through the whole brexit debate. he he was vocal. he was he was very vocal. obviously know, obviously you know, he endeavoured mp and endeavoured to be an mp and stuff. like, everybody knew stuff. so like, everybody knew who without him who nigel farage was without him being , he was on being an mp. so like, he was on everybody's radar. but but that being an mp. so like, he was on everybo mean|dar. but but that being an mp. so like, he was on everybo mean that but but that being an mp. so like, he was on everybo mean that at but that being an mp. so like, he was on everybo mean that a bank that being an mp. so like, he was on everybo mean that a bank should doesn't mean that a bank should use to turn use use that information to turn him away. but it was, but obviously what we as well obviously what we read as well is was to do with his is that it was to do with his mortgage he'd finished mortgage like he'd finished paying mortgage like he'd finished paying mortgage. paying off his mortgage. good for then . and for him, fyi. but then. and then. then. and then they for him, fyi. but then. and then.you then. and then they for him, fyi. but then. and then.you know, and then they for him, fyi. but then. and then.you know, goti then they for him, fyi. but then. and then.you know, goti then hisy just, you know, got rid of his account explaining account without explaining why this dossier has been done by the committee. the reputation committee. >> caused the >> and they have caused the worst this bank. worst reputation for this bank. now that's been going for 133 years. and let me tell you , i years. and let me tell you, i know a lot of people that bank with agree with this bank and they agree a lot with what nigel feels. well, of course. and some of their customers most customers aren't the most savoury, like the former prime

minister of qatar that actually came into that bank with with his money and a whole door. let me tell you . and you haven't me tell you. and you haven't denied it that i know about, that she was holding me. >> all that's a source for lizzie. i can't verify that source. sadly, that's true, lizzie she says it's lizzie said. she says it's true. this online this is gb news on tv, online and digital radio. coming up, and on digital radio. coming up, she's the voice for many suffering in silence across the world. emma jane taylor is extraordinary campaign hashtag. not shame has gone viral not my shame has gone viral around the world. and she'll be joining me in the studio shortly. but first, let's get an update for update with your weather for that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. >> proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> good afternoon . my name is >> good afternoon. my name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast brought to you by the met office. so this morning's been pretty dull and wet for much of the uk and this is due to this area of low pressure. it's bringing a bit of a squeeze in the isobars for southern areas. so some stronger winds to come

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britain's news channel. >> all . >> all. good afternoon. >> 23 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. now, before the break, we were discussing the natwest boss apologising to nigel farage or not saying the word sorry. obviously. let's see what you've been famous says totally been saying. famous says totally agree with nana the government are quite right. are right to quickly were right to quickly bnngin quickly were right to quickly bring in new measures to make it more difficult for banks to close down customers accounts. and marie says i just can't understand why banks who do this in first place, they are in the first place, they are losing and customers by losing money and customers by isolating themselves the isolating themselves to the wokeism says it was funny wokeism marcus says it was funny how subtle the apology was trying to shift the blame. people will avoid accountability at all costs. it seems that way, doesn't keep

doesn't it? we'll keep your thoughts now it's thoughts coming. but now it's time for the british time for the great british debate and i'm debate this hour. and i'm asking, tories the asking, could the tories win the next election if they next general election if they abandon net zero? now that's following the by elections where the tories lost two seats, but held on to uxbridge and south ruislip thanks to the controversy sadiq khan's ulez controversy of sadiq khan's ulez scheme . now have the tories now scheme. now have the tories now found that dropping net zero could maybe be the secret weapon to win the next general election 7 to win the next general election ? what do you think? prime minister sunak has been minister rishi sunak has been urged cabinet ministers urged by the cabinet ministers to abandon pledges that to abandon it and pledges that he wants to keep the tories in power for the next five years. so what do you think? even labour keir starmer labour leader sir keir starmer admitted face admitted that labour must face up to the electoral damage of ulez. finally listening . ulez. finally he's listening. but will he listen? he only listening because? because he lost win some you les lost some. you win some you les and ulez that one. keir. so for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour, i'm asking the hour, i'm asking could the tories win the next general election net election if they abandon net zero? joining to zero? well, joining me to discuss, anna mcgovern, zero? well, joining me to discuss, commentator'n, zero? well, joining me to discuss, commentator suzanne political commentator suzanne evans , and also lewis perry, evans, and also lewis perry, director of dakar 26, and peter

spencer . director of dakar 26, and peter spencer. right. director of dakar 26, and peter spencer . right. well, director of dakar 26, and peter spencer. right. well, i'm going to start with i'll start with you, suzanne, because you're here, you're in the studio for the first time ever. i've actually seen suzanne. happy to be see you in the be here. i'll see you in the flesh now, suzanne, what do you think, potentially think, then? is this potentially a they it, a vote winner? if they scrap it, the could win. do think? >> i think is. think? >>ithink is. mean, >> i think it is. i mean, i don't think any doubt don't think there's any doubt from saw in the from what we saw in the by—election that the ulez issue was front and foremost and centre campaign . there centre of that campaign. there was an there. was also an issue there. remember the remember though, about the conservative the conservative turnout, the turnout conservative vote turnout of the conservative vote was was higher in uxbridge and south ruislip. so i think that's an important factor. south ruislip. so i think that's an important factor . so a lot of an important factor. so a lot of tories perhaps strongly tories perhaps felt so strongly about that they came about the ulez that they came out against it out and voted against it effectively. i think what effectively. but i think what they've got to do, the conservatives is no good just saying we're going to scrap net oai civil saying we're going to scrap net 0ai civil service 0ai think the civil service would hissy fit to would have the hissy fit to hissy they did that and hissy fits if they did that and they be against. so they would be up against. so many vested interests the many vested interests in the media in the service, as media in the civil service, as i say, in in academia, in business, that would be really difficult to do . what they need difficult to do. what they need to do is start talking about the

cost of net zero, because this is what none of us has ever been told how much is it going to cost to reach net zero? how are our lifestyles going to change? what are we to have to what are we going to have to give up our flights, our holidays, our cars, meat? holidays, our cars, eating meat? perhaps all these. >> i'm not giving up eating meat. not both . meat. that's not both. >> all these things we will eat them. >> but i shouldn't say that we should try and eat more vegetables . but i love vegetables. but i love vegetables. but i love vegetables. but i love vegetables. but give you vegetables. but give up. but you know, i'm quite to fish. know, i'm quite happy to fish. >> out cost of >> got to spell out the cost of net they can spell net zero. and if they can spell out of net zero and out the cost of net zero and then work a policy backwards from look, need from that about, look, we need to they've got to to rethink that. they've got to do all money the >> it's all about money at the end day. but it shouldn't end of the day. but it shouldn't be because there's an environmental heading environmental impact of heading towards a benefit in actually a positive benefit in many peter spencer many respects. peter spencer well, of course both well, i mean of course both rishi sunak and, and keir starmer are taking a bit of a bit of a peek at their green policies because of the fact that manifestly the ulez thing saved them in uxbridge from

actually getting the worst set of byelection results in a single day in half a century. >> but i'm i'm with bill clinton's slogan from all those years ago. it's the economy, stupid . i mean, the fact is stupid. i mean, the fact is that, yes , the ulez thing. that, yes, the ulez thing. i mean, i'm personally i drive a relatively old supercharged mercedes boy . it would hit me mercedes boy. it would hit me and i wouldn't like to pay the extra £12.5 and i wouldn't like to pay the extra £125 a day tax. >> but this is a very localised thing. >> remember . well doesn't you >> remember. well doesn't you say that country and 0.1 and 0.2. it's an issue that that that it comes in the context of people as we were talking about trying to get on holiday one way or another and getting to europe and finding the place is absolutely turned into a steaming cauldron or a very few. come on. scientists who say, look, this wouldn't bring lois marion . marion. >> well, let me bring lois perry . sorry, sorry. peter green .

. sorry, sorry. peter green. peter, i'm going to bring lois in because something you said, she shook her head quite vehemently were you vehemently to. why were you shaking your head, well shaking your head, lois? well i mean, number mean, you know, number one, obviously, it's very, very clear that this is the that ulez you lose this is the political of go woke, political equivalent of go woke, go broke and ulez is not a localised issue. >> keir starmer has said very clearly that he'd like to push it out nationwide. >> but in terms of, you know, the talking about going on houday the talking about going on holiday record temperatures as it's very recently that it's come out very recently that the bbc have for the first time been using satellite data in the last week rather than the met office data and in terms of temperatures and they've been using ground ground level temperatures rather than the normal temperatures from the met office, which in actual fact in palermo sorry, palermo and on wednesday were 15, 15 c difference. >> so they've actually exaggerate grated it. >> they said it was 47, but actually it was 32. >> so this is all being catastrophize and the bbc are being completely disingenuous and they're lying to us as well. >> hold on, because there's

nobody here for the to bbc speak for themselves, so to call them lying we're request lying liars, we we're request a reply , a right to reply, and we reply, a right to reply, and we don't know whether it was reported on the other station. so you're saying they're using a palermo way of measuring rather than usual way know? than the usual way that we know? >> did they used >> what they did was they used instead the normal met instead of using the normal met office temperatures which are two above ground, they two metres above ground, they use which the use satellite data, which is the ground level temperatures. they've this before. they've never done this before. this in the last week . this is only in the last week. and richard tice, i think it was either yesterday either today or yesterday reported on this on different reported on this on a different channel because it's disgusting i >> -- >> well, emma >> well, let's bring anna mcgovern in. anna >> no, i absolutely agree with everything that lois is saying, though. i think that the public have become so indoctrinated with the idea of like climate catastrophe and climate ideology that actually if the conservatives turned around and said , we're going to scrap net said, we're going to scrap net zero, i do wonder what the public's response would be to that, because i think you've got all of these groups such as just

stop for example, blocking stop oil for example, blocking the , causing chaos in the roads, causing chaos in people's everyday lives for this idea of climate apoliticism , idea of climate apoliticism, which does not exist and is not founded by any science data, and i really think, however, that the public have become so indoctrinated with this that if the conservatives turned around and scrapped net zero, i do wonder if the public would support it. >> do you think , suzanne yeah, i >> do you think, suzanne yeah, i totally agree. >> this is the problem. we've got. you know, this particular philosophy has been taught and i use philosophy rather than science the science is science because the science is not this. no, it's not settled on this. no, it's the of sound that the kind of sound bite is that it it really isn't. and it is, but it really isn't. and yet children in schools have been taught it . when i was at been taught it. when i was at school, we were taught we were heading for another ice age. but there go. well, i learnt there you go. well, i learnt about chicken in the sky was falling down. >> i mention polling? >> is okay? says that >> is that okay? that says that 62% that express an 62% of those that express an opinion yougov opinion in our recent yougov polling referendum on polling wanted a referendum on net zero. polling wanted a referendum on netanna polling wanted a referendum on net anna and so actually the >> anna and so actually the public, you know, you don't want a referendum if you want the

status quo. >> i want to give the last word to spencer. well , i to peter spencer. peter well, i mean, think when it comes down mean, i think when it comes down to the end, this is one to it, in the end, this is one single issue . single issue. >> but amongst the whole plethora , the predominant one plethora, the predominant one being the fact that the british economy has been in the doldrums for the last 13 years, 31 years of tory rule . of tory rule. >> and what i pick up from the opinion polls, never mind about green policies or whatever on the fringes , the fact is what the fringes, the fact is what i'm picking up from from the opinion polls is that there's a strong and indeed from what we saw in the by elections and indeed the local elections is, is that we have a new british zeitgeist, which is let's give the other lot a chance. they can't be worse. >> well, you know what? that's what they said about joe biden. and look what happened there. let's so very briefly anna let's so very briefly then, anna mcguffin, do you think the tories win if they scrap net tories can win if they scrap net zero, yes or no? >> no, i don't think so . >> no, i don't think so. >> no, i don't think so. >> or no ? why >> lois perry yes or no? why not? yeah. peter spencer yes or no? no >> and suzanne evans not on its

own. >> not on a lot of other things. okay well, listen, thank you very much to my wonderful panellists mcgovern, panellists, anna mcgovern, political suzanne political commentator suzanne evans, political commentator, political commentator suzanne evarperry,itical commentator, political commentator suzanne evar perry, directornmentator, political commentator suzanne evar perry, director of|entator, political commentator suzanne evar perry, director of cop26,', lois perry, director of cop26, and peter spencer, former sky political correspondent. thank you your thoughts. what do you for your thoughts. what do you for your thoughts. what do you at home? you're with you think at home? you're with me. akua. a gb me. i'm nana akua. this is a gb news online and on news on tv, online and on digital radio. the break, digital radio. after the break, we'll with our great we'll continue with our great british debate hour. british debate this hour. i'm asking could tories the asking, could the tories win the next general election if they abandon net zero? you'll hear the thoughts of my panel, broadcaster columnist lizzie broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy and also political commentator sam dowler. but first, let's get your latest news . news headlines. >> thank you very much , nana. >> thank you very much, nana. i'm rory smith in the gb newsroom . sir keir starmer is newsroom. sir keir starmer is urging london's mayor, sadiq khan, to reflect on the expansion of ulez after labour's by—election lost in uxbridge and south ruislip protesters are gathered outside the bbc in london this afternoon , london this afternoon, expressing anger at the mayor's

plans to expand the ultra low emissions zone. firefighters in greece are battling blazes as the country swelters through a heatwave supported by water bombers and reinforcements from abroad . emergency crews abroad. emergency crews continued their efforts to bring the wildfires under control. the areas affected include parts of athens and some popular holiday spots include the island of rhodes, greece is climate crisis minister is urging people to remain on guard as temperatures continue to soar to dangerous levels over the coming days . levels over the coming days. plans to scrap london's day travelcard will see them disappear from stations as early as january next year. disappear from stations as early as january next year . the paper as january next year. the paper tickets are mostly used by visitors to the capital who are able to travel throughout the city at no extra cost. well despite selling around a million of the travel cards over the past financial year, offering the tickets costs a tfl around £40 million annually, england

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next general election if they abandon net zero now following the tories holding onto uxbridge and south ruislip thanks to the controversy of sadiq khan's ulez scheme , have the tories now scheme, have the tories now found that dropping net zero could be their secret weapon to winning the next general election ? now the prime minister election? now the prime minister has been urged by cabinet ministers abandon it and he ministers to abandon it and he pledges if he wants to keep pledges that if he wants to keep the tories power for the next the tories in power for the next five years, in the next election , then even labour leader sir keir starmer admitted that , then even labour leader sir keir stimust admitted that , then even labour leader sir keir stimust face itted that , then even labour leader sir keir stimust face up d that , then even labour leader sir keir stimust face up to :hat , then even labour leader sir keir stimust face up to the labour must face up to the electorate damage that ulez has caused and that's something must have gone wrong and they've got to sort out the policies . so the to sort out the policies. so the great british debate this hour i'm asking could the tories win the next general election if they abandon net zero? let's see what my panel make of that. i'm joined again broadcaster joined again by broadcaster and columnist , also columnist lizzie cundy, also political sam dowler political commentator sam dowler . all right, so lizzie cundy , . all right, so lizzie cundy, this is a real the uxbridge and south ruislip was an example of when you actually listen to what people are telling you, they're telling don't this telling you they don't want this . don't listen, they can

. if you don't listen, they can act. make a difference. act. and make a difference. well, that's it. >> keir starmer, king of >> and keir starmer, king of the flip flip flop , flip flop. >> and keir starmer, king of the flip does.ip flop , flip flop. >> and keir starmer, king of the flip does he flop , flip flop. >> and keir starmer, king of the flip does he standflip flop. >> and keir starmer, king of the flip does he stand for?:lop. >> and keir starmer, king of the flip does he stand for? and it what does he stand for? and it really to bite him on really did come to bite him on the derriere because his labour candidate was going around to all doors campaigning and all the doors campaigning and everyone saying , we don't everyone was saying, we don't want and he actually said, want ulez. and he actually said, right, | want ulez. and he actually said, right, i can see this is going to be a huge problem. but sadiq khan heard things and khan heard those things and still problem. khan heard those things and still is problem. khan heard those things and still is an problem. khan heard those things and still is an arrogant,3lem. khan heard those things and still is an arrogant, very. >> this is an arrogant, very arrogant man. >> starmer also said >> and keir starmer also said the mayor of is popular the mayor of london is popular about as popular pimple on about as popular as a pimple on the of your nose. i'm the end of your nose. i'm telling he keeps winning. the end of your nose. i'm telllig he keeps winning. the end of your nose. i'm telli mean, he keeps winning. >> i mean, he keeps winning. thank has thank goodness susan hall has won the new mayoral. the won the new mayoral. she's the candidate the tory party. candidate for the tory party. she may well, correct. >> hoping for >> well, i'm really hoping for her. tell you, her. but let me tell you, this could fight back and it's could be the fight back and it's costing us net zero is hurting every one of us. it's not just the motorist . it's it really is. the motorist. it's it really is. and, you know , this is a fight and, you know, this is a fight back against the eco cult that we have to stop. look at what just stop oil are doing. look at what's happening to our economy. i think this could be a real chance for rishi. but he's got

to go in. he's got to tuck into keir starmer, look at the trans issues , ask him what woman is. issues, ask him what a woman is. he fit, you know. exactly. he could fit, you know. exactly. and i think really, keir starmer thought this was going to be a knockout punch at the by elections. all it was was a nose and rishi has got a chance now to really do something, but he has to do it and do it properly. sam taylor well, before we break out, the party poppers of the tories to uxbridge , i tories holding on to uxbridge, i mean, was by a hair. mean, it was by a hair. >> it was like 400 and something. was hardly it was something. it was hardly it was hardly a lot their voters hardly a lot of their voters didn't it was didn't come out yet. but it was hard. was hardly any. hard. hard. it was hardly any. >> it's a win. >>- >> it's a win. >> but fact that we were all >> but the fact that we were all assuming going assuming that they were going to get they did get a drubbing like they did in the two elections, the other two by elections, by, you know, they i mean, i can't it was like a 20, a 20,000 people labour. so this it was like a 20, a 20,000 pmean, labour. so this it was like a 20, a 20,000 pmean, obviously abour. so this it was like a 20, a 20,000 pmean, obviously ab0lis so this i mean, obviously this is something that was affecting the people and it's not people of uxbridge and it's not it's not a national problem. it was problem, which is was a local problem, which is why the tories why they which is why the tories focussed and and focussed in on that. and and they it even if it just they won it even if it was just by a tiny amount. however, i don't so don't think, you know

don't so i don't think, you know , to come back , if they start to come back from because let's not forget it was johnson's whole thing. was boris johnson's whole thing. the zero thing was boris's the net zero thing was boris's baby. i don't think. baby. so i don't think. >> but he's gone. not. >> but he's gone. he's not. >> but he's gone. he's not. >> i know he's gone >> but i know, i know he's gone . but labour. >> that's my drive . listen, >> but that's my drive. listen, it's going to cost £12. it's going to cost me £12. >> 50. >> 50. >> can't an“ f can't church, >> you can't go to the church, can't go see your mum, can't go and see your mum, can't go going cost go shopping. it's going to cost you. can do. you can do as >> you can do. you can do as long as you walk. and that's and the is, that's what the thing is, that's what people, want. people, that's what we want. that's hoping. people, that's what we want. thait; hoping. people, that's what we want. thait doesn't hoping. people, that's what we want. thait doesn't h> it doesn't matter. climate change political issue. >> it doesn't matter. climate crislge political issue. >> it doesn't matter. climate cris ae political issue. >> it doesn't matter. climate cris a it's political issue. >> it doesn't matter. climate cris a it's a political issue. >> it doesn't matter. climate cris a it's a everybodyal issue. >> it doesn't matter. climate cris a it's a everybody issue.a. it is a it's a everybody issue. it's like, you need to look at the to people dying in the news to see people dying in floods, forest fires. >> some look, it's like the moon is falling down and everyone stands on it and says, we're going to catch it. we cannot change the climate effectively. in my view , we may have some in my view, we may have some slight , but in my view, we may have some slight, but bear in mind, i think it's about 97% of the co2 emissions or 96% are actually naturally occurring from the planet. so we are we only contribute a very, very small amount. methane for example, is farming for cows. >> that's methane is a very dangerous. it's a specifically

adds climate change. adds to climate climate change. and it's not about getting warm . it's not about you haven't. >> let me finish my point. i'm saying that we contribute a very small towards the overall small amount towards the overall planetary of climate planetary evolution of climate change. so if you bear that in mind, these people are now living their actual living in their actual lives, real right now, not ten, real lives, right now, not ten, 20 years or 30 years down the line when climate might line when the climate might change. you change. it depends where you also measurements also take the measurements of climate change. so if you start at age, you're at the ice age, then you're probably fine. the climate is warming. you before warming. if you start before that hot period, that in a heated hot period, then cooling. we then the climate is cooling. we don't know enough. so to be changing way doing changing our whole way of doing things in a way that actually isn't better because it isn't we know know that fuels know we know that fossil fuels damage environment, we damage the environment, but we know what about the impact? know that what about the impact? and of the and if you've read any of the articles recently that electric cars that either, cars are not that great either, they a twice as high they have a twice as high environmental environmental impact to actually them, impact to actually create them, then energy taken from then the energy is taken from fossil fuels anyway and then we'll have to take everything out earth. how we how out of the earth. so how we how we afford electric cars we still afford electric cars and also we're to to and also we're going to have to i'm once we move forward i'm once we once we move forward

with like like like with renewables like like like wind, like solar , we had to wind, like solar, we had to chuck everything out . that's the chuck everything out. that's the baby with the bathwater. make all these panels with steel. hang make those wind hang on, make those wind turbines steel. use all the turbines with steel. use all the c02 turbines with steel. use all the co2 you need to make them. and then that, then then once you've done that, then you that. you can start counting. is that. yeah, that's exactly. >> of >> well, that's exactly. of course. of course. of course. you're need to in order you're going to need to in order to to let's to for example, to build, let's say miles, two say we blanket two miles, two miles the sahara miles squared of the sahara desert , with solar panels, desert with, with solar panels, which incredible which would be incredible because what we but what we because what we know but what we are are from are what we are losing from solar , from from the power, from solar, from from the power, from the sun, for example, is incredible. be doing the sun, for example, is incishould be doing the sun, for example, is incishould focusing3e doing the sun, for example, is incishould focusing3e

know, because we'll charge you as long as can pay for it. as long as you can pay for it. you can poison the air. it doesn't make sense, but labour have already labour have already rolled their on rolled back on their on their on their know that. >> and that's you know, >> and that's why, you know, flip but, but you're, flip flop here. but, but you're, but that but but you're saying that but you're saying that saying you're saying that you're saying that rishi sunak should be a flip well order in flip flop as well in order in order order to the order to in order to win the next election. >> he should listen >> we're saying he should listen to and listen to to the electorate and listen to what want what people actually want instead up notion what people actually want inskeiri up notion what people actually want inskeir starmer up notion what people actually want inskeir starmer didn't notion what people actually want inskeir starmer didn't listen,tion of keir starmer didn't listen, and nobody and that's why they lost. nobody wants it, right? i want to have a without you a chat to nothing without you and let's welcome and your views. so let's welcome our great british voices. their opportunity show opportunity to be on the show and they think and tell us what they think about we're about the topics we're discussing. over to discussing. let's head over to bristol. to speak bristol. i'm going to speak to my lee harris my regular voice, lee harris and lee, always pleasure lee, it's always a pleasure to talk to you. this one, i'll be interested hear your view. do interested to hear your view. do you tories actually interested to hear your view. do you a tories actually interested to hear your view. do you a cat tories actually interested to hear your view. do you a cat in tories actually interested to hear your view. do you a cat in hell's actually interested to hear your view. do you a cat in hell's chancey interested to hear your view. do you a cat in hell's chance of have a cat in hell's chance of winning abandon net winning if they abandon net zero? get rid of zero? like properly get rid of it . it. >> just on this alone, probably not, but i think it would certainly be very popular and at least give them a fighting chance. >> i mean, as already been discussed, all we have to do is look at the surprising election

result in uxbridge and the backlash against khan is backlash against sadiq khan is unsigned money grabbing ulez policy . but i do think the tide policy. but i do think the tide is now turning and the tories would well all to listen and would do well all to listen and take advantage, especially when people are really struggling dunng people are really struggling during a cost of living crisis. >> to be clear, >> you know, just to be clear, i have no problem in principle with net zero and believe that renewables will make of renewables will make part of a healthy energy mix . but this healthy energy mix. but this blatant time blatant virtue signalling time frame that's been set out to achieve it is utterly ludicrous . and labour's time frame is even more unrealistic. you know, according to the experts , we're according to the experts, we're going to need oil and gas for the decade. and this the next decade. and so this these dangerously uninformed labour eco extremists labour funding, eco extremists who are calling to us spend 1.5 trillion of taxpayers money, money on net zero simply don't live in the real world. well, just to finish on this very briefly, you've got about 10s. >> i agree with suzanne evans, who who had on earlier. who who you had on earlier. >> yeah. they need to do more than need than scrap net zero. they need to jeremy hunt, lower taxes to sack jeremy hunt, lower taxes , focus on growth frack. they

need to frack scrap hs2. >> be careful how you say echr be more conservative. he didn't even get that. i can't tell whether the fly was in your studio or ours. we've got them here too. he's about to go. i don't whether it's to don't know whether it's going to go your whatever. go into your mouth or whatever. i in here? we've i thought, is it in here? we've got thank very got them here. thank you very much, talk to much, lee. very good to talk to you. lee harris, that you. that is lee harris, that great british voice. well, let's see what you've been saying, because gone because gerald says we have gone from an incredibly wealthy country to an incredibly poor country. angela country. you sound like angela p&o. yes. climate change is something that we should strive towards tackling, but not by bankrupting ourselves . as bankrupting ourselves. as dominic says, the biggest problem and problem between labour and the tories they walking tories is that they are walking hand the goal of hand in hand towards the goal of net which makes both net zero, which makes them both unelectable. the unelectable. anna says at the end of the day, the tories just held uxbridge and south held on to uxbridge and south ruislip face ruislip and they still face annihilation in the next election. the tories want to election. if the tories want to survive, need stop the survive, they need to stop the boats and stop net zero. listen, if any of the parties actually do that, then i will vote for any of party does that. any of the party that does that. but i'm nana but you're with me. i'm nana akua gb on tv

akua this is a gb news on tv onune akua this is a gb news on tv online and on digital radio. now she's the voice for many suffering in silence across the world. emma jane taylor's extraordinary campaign hashtag not my shame has gone viral around the world. she'll be joining me in the studio shortly. but up next, the lovely angela levin will be here to give us a round up of all things royal after weather . royal after the weather. >> the temperature's rising . >> the temperature's rising. boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> good afternoon. my name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast brought to you by the met office. so this morning's been pretty dull and wet for much of the uk and this is due to this area of low pressure and it's bringing a bit of a squeeze in the isobars for southern areas. so some winds come so some stronger winds to come this afternoon here. plenty of cloud and rain around across much of england , wales and much of england, wales and northern ireland, though across scotland through this evening, there will some clearer there will be some clearer spells. maybe the odd shower here well . but elsewhere,

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or the people's channel, britain's news . or the people's channel, britain's news. channel >> good . >> good. >> good. >> good. >> good afternoon. this is news. i'm nana akua. we are live on tv, online and on digital radio. now. there's always something going on in the royal household and this week has been no different . we have a birthday different. we have a birthday with prince george who celebrates his 10th birthday today and a new photograph has been released showcasing a smiling george sat at the smiling prince george sat at the steps of windsor. well, who better to delve into all things royal? the royal biographer, angela levin. angela, she joins me live now. angela. oh god, it was colour. snap, snap . talk to was colour. snap, snap. talk to me, angela. what do you think about this? it's lovely talking about this? it's lovely talking about it. >> we've just got the same colour. exactly >> snap. so start me off then. should we start with prince george ? george? >> yes. prince george . mean ten. >> yes. prince george. mean ten. think he's a very important age.

when you're a child, you've suddenly got the two numbers. there and you feel almost quite grown up. i know loads of kids who , when they get to ten, they who, when they get to ten, they think they're teenagers and probably behave a bit like them, but think what's nice about prince george is that he's getting much more relaxed and not so shy . i think sitting here not so shy. i think sitting here the way he is with his legs, he's got long legs. he's got a relaxed smile . he looks jolly relaxed smile. he looks jolly happy. relaxed smile. he looks jolly happy . and i think that's a huge happy. and i think that's a huge credit to his parents because it's hard, you know, bringing up a king is not future king. it's no easy matter. and i think the way they've done it and slowly bnng way they've done it and slowly bring him increasingly to meet people both when sad things when he's lost his great grandmother and also very happy things when he's watching wimbledon or a football match and he can hug and his kisses parents for all this might if his team wins. and his kisses parents for all this might if his team wins . so this might if his team wins. so i think he's doing jolly well. and he's also got the tremendous

support of his sister, who is absolutely extraordinary young girl. i think apparently his her mother , princess catherine, is mother, princess catherine, is a little concerned that she's becoming a sort of st giles' just for children . and she wore just for children. and she wore these pink sunglasses at wimbledon . and apparently the wimbledon. and apparently the number of percentage went up by 350% because everybody wants to look a bit like charlotte and her clothes as well. the dress that she wore, it was completely out of, um, you know, everybody had bought it by the end of the day. so, you know, i think she's very strong minded and she's often often telling him to what do. and i think, though , it's do. and i think, though, it's a very positive relationship . yeah. >> now, what about harry's book? spare loads of them have been found. spare who will have dumped them on some holidays and things ? things? >> yeah, well, this is very

interesting because the first day of it , 1.4 interesting because the first day of it, 1.4 million copies were sold . but now most of them were sold. but now most of them are thrown out. i mean , in are thrown out. i mean, in spain, greece and turkey , spain, greece and turkey, they've had loads left in the room or thrown in the dustbin. i think people now find it really very unpleasant to read, but it also very interesting because possibly the publisher, producer at thousands and thousands of more books than actually have been sold or wanted by shopkeepers, also don't know what to do with them because they were sent masses of copies and nobody's buying them anymore. and i think that refers very much to what people think about about harry and meghan nowadays , as you know this, for nowadays, as you know this, for goodness sakes, stop moaning attitude . attitude. >> i think it's funny, the title now reflects the predicament of the book. there's loads of them spare. and what about harry?

>> if meghan ever produces hers? i mean , it's also going to be i mean, it's also going to be full of whining and moaning and think, you know, a few people like us who'd have to do it for work. but think people wouldn't want to know any more . want to know any more. >> i don't think anyone's interested. but you interested. but but you mentioned meghan. didn't they both try to hitch a ride with president joe biden following the queen elizabeth? this is breathtaking , actually. breathtaking, actually. >> after the funeral for her majesty the queen, they asked joe biden if they could have a take, if they would take them by in his plane in his special plane to america. and the answer came back straight away, no . and came back straight away, no. and apparently they asked several times , but they're not a power times, but they're not a power not successful in their own right to do something in america . they've got no power there . . they've got no power there. he's harry is an ex now and meghan hasn't got anywhere. a lot of mouths and but really nothing . and so harry tried very

nothing. and so harry tried very hard to get jill the president's wife to come to the invictus games and she also said no because she didn't want to upset the royal family. and i think it's come as a real shock to them that the royal family is much loved and much more important than they are. i mean , meghan thinks she's a power player in hollywood or going to be one now. she could get on on her own without her husband there, but i think she you know, it's just not true. and i think more time that passes, people are going to criticise them and don't want to know they're no longer important, no , no. longer important, no, no. >> i think they're a busted flush. sadly listen, angela levin, it's always a pleasure to speak to you. enjoy your lovely break wherever you are. it looks lovely . look well and lovely. you look so well and what choice of colour what a great choice of colour and angela levin , always and outfit. angela levin, always good to to you. that is good to speak to you. that is the fabulous angela levin. she's royal and that was royal biographer and that was the royal roundup. this is gb

news on tv, online and on digital radio. there's still loads the next loads more to come in the next hour. houn it's 5:00. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. and for the next houn i'm nana akua. and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the topics taking on some of the big topics hitting headlines right hitting the headlines right now on . of course, we'll be on the menu. of course, we'll be bringing you a difficult conversation in. a very inspirational will be live inspirational lady will be live inspirational lady will be live in studio and then we'll be in the studio and then we'll be discussing the bibby stockholm. i've some great pictures to i've got some great pictures to show mean, would you be show you. i mean, would you be up for staying there? but first, let's latest news let's get your latest news headunes. headlines. >> thank you very much. now, i'm rory smith in the gb newsroom . rory smith in the gb newsroom. sir keir starmer is urging london's mayor, sadiq khan, to reflect on the expansion of ulez after labour's byelection loss in uxbridge and south ruislip

prime testers gathered outside the bbc in london this afternoon with many expressing anger at the mayor's plans to expand the ultra low emission zone. the labour leader says that while his party is reflecting on the reasons for the byelection loss , they must show historic levels of effort, discipline and focus. >> i don't think there's any doubt that ulez was the reason that we lost the by—election in uxbndge that we lost the by—election in uxbridge and i have said we should reflect on this, including the mayor i've spoken to him, as you would expect. including the mayor i've spoken to him, as you would expect . and to him, as you would expect. and so there will be that reflection on. but we're not sitting back . on. but we're not sitting back. we're not looking over our shoulder. we're pressing forward. be an forward. there should be an election , a by—election in mid election, a by—election in mid bedfordshire . and so i'm here bedfordshire. and so i'm here talking to local residents to people who are now fed up and want a by—election desperately and want to vote labour. so yes, of course we reflect, but we're moving forward here because of course , you know, the goal is to course, you know, the goal is to get that general election . get that general election. >> police are appealing for possible victims of a

photographer who raped a woman in his london studio to come forward . sharon johnson lured forward. sharon johnson lured a woman to a local pub after she had paid him to take pictures for her. he told her she was attending a networking event and encouraged her to get drunk before returning back to the studio . the 42 year old man was studio. the 42 year old man was jailed for 11 years. police say the woman may not be his only victim and are appealing for others to come forward . fire others to come forward. fire fighters in greece are battling blazes as the country swelters through a heatwave supported by water bombers and reinforcements from abroad. emergency crews continued their efforts to bring the wildfires under control . the the wildfires under control. the areas affected include parts of athens and some popular holiday spots, including the island island of rhodes, greece's climate crisis minister is urging people to remain on guard as temperatures continue to soar to dangerous levels over the coming days .

to dangerous levels over the coming days. plans to scrap london's day travelcard will see them disappear from stations as early as january next year. them disappear from stations as early as january next year . the early as january next year. the paper tickets are mostly used by visitors to the capital who are able to travel throughout the city at no extra cost. well, despite selling around a million of the travel cards over the past financial year , offering past financial year, offering the tickets costs tfl . around the tickets costs tfl. around £40 million annually. an order issued by london's mayor will see the tickets scrapped out next year . tom jones has next year. tom jones has criticised the decision to prevent choirs from singing one of his classic songs at rugby matches . my my will. matches. my my will. >> i love delilah was first cut from choir playlists in 2015 before being officially removed this year due to concerns over its references to the murder of a woman while playing to a crowd at cardiff castle last night.

>> sir tom said that while the choir has stopped singing, the song, the crowd couldn't be stopped and he'll keep singing it as well . all supermarket it as well. all supermarket tickets have more than doubled their margins on fuel since russia's invasion of ukraine. the rsa says asda , tesco, the rsa says asda, tesco, morrisons and sainsbury's were making an average of around 4.7 pence per litre on fuel sales when the ukraine war began last yeah when the ukraine war began last year. the motoring company found this had increased to around £0.10 per litre, leading to higher pump prices . supermarket higher pump prices. supermarket fuel margins were 2.3 pence per litre in 2016. on england have won their first women's world cup match with a 1—0 victory over haiti in brisbane. it took 29 minutes for georgia stanway to push the lionesses into the lead , with a retaken penalty, lead, with a retaken penalty, aiming the ball low into the left corner of the net. will the lionesses who have lost just 1

in 33 games under the current manager , take on denmark in manager, take on denmark in their second group match next week ? the very best of luck to week? the very best of luck to them. melissa is gb news. we will of course bring you more as it happens. now though, back to nana. good afternoon. >> this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines this the headlines right now. this show opinion is show is all about opinion is mine it's theirs. course mine, it's theirs. and of course it's yours . we'll debating, it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing and times we will discussing and at times we will disagree. but no one be disagree. but no one will be cancelled . so joining me today cancelled. so joining me today is author and columnist lucy cundy and political cundy and also political commentator sam dowler. still to come , it's this week's difficult come, it's this week's difficult conversation and it's an inspiring story. now a gb news favourite, charlie lawson , has favourite, charlie lawson, has lent his voice to this amazing

campaign hashtag, not my shame. it was launched by emma jane taylor , an advocate for taylor, an advocate for survivors of child sex abuse. now ej is the voice of emma jane. ej is the voice for many suffering in silence across the world and not afraid to speak her mind. now she'll be joining me studio hear me live in the studio to hear her inspirational story. then it's for the great british it's time for the great british debate. this hour. i'm asking is the migrant barge enough of a deterrent ? now? we'll you deterrent? now? we'll show you some well. you'll some pictures as well. you'll get first hand look inside the get a first hand look inside the bibby barge . and many bibby stockholm barge. and many are with channel are now asking with channel crossings on the rise, surely , crossings on the rise, surely, surely this barge. and if you are watching on tv, you can see it. if you are listening on radio, you need to check out the show 5:00. we've show around about 5:00. we've got of an got some beautiful images of an incredible got some beautiful images of an incredilmod cons and tomato all the mod cons and tomato ketchup . it's the brand as ketchup. it's the best brand as well, i'm concerned. well, as far as i'm concerned. as though, let me know well, as far as i'm concerned. as you though, let me know well, as far as i'm concerned. as you think|gh, let me know well, as far as i'm concerned. as you think . h, let me know well, as far as i'm concerned. as you think . emailme know what you think. email gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb news. so it's now gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at. gb news. so it's now time for this week's difficult

conversation. if you just tuned in, it's fast approaching . seven in, it's fast approaching. seven minutes after 5:00. now, this is a very moving story that will help people speak out against child sex abuse. emma jane founder emma jane. she's the founder emma jane. she's the founder of hashtag not my shame campaign set out on a mission for people to come to terms with their past feelings, feeling no shame in speaking about their sex abuse trauma. now, as a child, emma jane was told that she was a failure. the girl going nowhere in life and had a juvenile delinquent badge slapped on her when she was just 13 years old and having a label like that at an early age, obviously comes with its own issues , leading people issues, leading to most people believing that she would be dead or in prison by the time she was 20. she's got an incredible story. won't want miss story. you won't want to miss this, many, result this, but for many, the result can be mental health trauma. also child sex abuse and things like imprisonment. now, emma is doing her best now to tell her story and she's created hert shirt campaign, which has gone viral and received tonnes of

attention worldwide . our goal, attention worldwide. our goal, of course, is to make sure that child abuse victims don't suffer in silence . child abuse victims don't suffer in silence. but child abuse victims don't suffer in silence . but very pleased in silence. but i'm very pleased to emma joins me now to say that emma joins me now and also , i'm pleased to say and also, i'm pleased to say that i'm joined by actor, tv personality and supporter of hashtag , charlie hashtag not my shame, charlie lawson. charlie , first of lawson. now, charlie, first of all, to me about your all, talk to me about your involvement with campaign . involvement with this campaign. >> well, it was it was really initially the courage and tremendous bravery of seeing the image of with this t shirt on. it hit me right in the kisser. >> and reminded me that sort of 22 years ago, three weeks into my relationship with debbie, my darling wife , to be, um , there darling wife, to be, um, there was a meltdown one night, and debbie told me that she'd been severely abused as a child . and. severely abused as a child. and. and we both had to learn to deal with that and have done so very quiet , but with that and have done so very quiet, but not ashamedly publicly . publicly. >> if we if we chose to. and i'm delighted to say that debbie is in a considerably better place

than she was anyway , i saw ej than she was anyway, i saw ej and i'm a great admirer of courage, as you know. nana >> and so i made contact with her and just said, look, if there's anything a hairy arsenal irishman can do to help you, then please feel free to use me. and we've become sort of friends andifs and we've become sort of friends and it's extraordinary really, the amount of men that are talking about their their abuses. >> kids. i came close on two occasions, but i got away with it by the skin of my teeth . um, it by the skin of my teeth. um, so i'm here to support ej. i think she's doing an incredible job. it's gone viral around the world and do you know what? i was in the pub the other night nana and somebody i'd known for 22 years spoke to me about this campaign and admitted he had been sexually abused as a young boy . boy. >> so it's all around us. and you know, if we can encourage people to feel that it's not

their shame and to talk about it and come together with all the rest of the sufferers worldwide , then i think aj will have done an incredibly good job. >> it's a subject that nobody likes to talk about. it's a very difficult conversation and quite frankly , most countries in the frankly, most countries in the world would rather sweep it under the bleedin carpet . under the bleedin carpet. >> well, listen , charlie, it's >> well, listen, charlie, it's always really good to talk to you.thank always really good to talk to you. thank you so much for joining us. i'm now to going introduce the fabulous emma jane. not my shame campaign founder emma jane taylor. jane. not my shame campaign founder emma jane taylor . wow. founder emma jane taylor. wow. so charlie lawson saw, you know , got wind of your moving story and decided that he would lend his name to help you and support you in it. but what people would like to know is tell me a bit about your story. talk to me about your story. talk to me about. >> yeah, you know, i think when i sort of go back to my story, like a lot people who've gone like a lot of people who've gone through child , through any abuse as a child, the perpetrator was known to me i >> -- >> and this 5mm >> and this is not unusual, alas, why i have then gone on to

start my charity project , 9010, start my charity project, 9010, based on the 9010 statistic, 90% of children being sexually abused and are being sexually abused and are being sexually abused by people they know. yet we only educate 10% at school. stranger danger. and it's a conversation that needs to change. i was a young girl. i was nine and then again when i was nine and then again when i was 13 till i was 16. it was someone known to the family and i didn't really know what was going on. like most people, you don't really what's going don't really know what's going on. you know, on. this is someone you know, you you're told not to you and you're told not to really talk about it, so you don't talk about it. i was told to scream if anyone to scream and shout if anyone i didn't know came up to me and tried to put in a van, but no tried to put me in a van, but no one told me to do that with someone know. and fallout someone i know. and the fallout from into late teens, from that into my late teens, early was that obviously when early 20 was that obviously when your brain to develop your brain starts to develop some specialists, some people will say it's not until your late teens , early 20s, until late teens, early 20s, until your brain fully developed and then trauma catches up with then the trauma catches up with you. you start realising that, you. you start realising that, you know, that that penny drops and you're really aware what's gone on, but you don't really

know to with it. it's know how to deal with it. it's dirty. a secret. you feel dirty. it's a secret. you feel very embarrassed by very ashamed and embarrassed by what's happened, and so you don't talk . you try and manage. don't talk. you try and manage. for about managing for me, it was about managing various various various addictions, various disorders , is trying to find my disorders, is trying to find my way as a young lady. >> is that is that how you sort of coped with it in a sense, yeah. >> i was drinking, taking drugs. >> i was drinking, taking drugs. >> just like, really? like >> i was just like, really? like you know, you know, really you know, off you know, really kind of went off off the world for a bit and just didn't know what i was doing. tried to conform, get a good job, try to be, you know, everything that everyone else was being around me. but of course, i couldn't be. and so i went into therapy when i was about 23, 24. i thought, i'll go and have 12 weeks of therapy and then i'll be okay. but of course, it doesn't work like when you doesn't work like that when you have got so trauma. so much have got so much trauma. so much deep rooted pain and fear and shame and embarrassment, deep rooted pain and fear and shame and embarrassment , there's shame and embarrassment, there's a lot to undo. you can't unpack that in 12 weeks. you know, some people might take 12 years, some people might take 12 years, some people might take 12 years, some people might never get through it and some people don't even

want talk about it. want to talk about it. so i really like , you know, as really felt like, you know, as i've gone on in my healing and my therapy, i never i never in a million years thought be million years thought i'd be here never here as a campaigner. i never thought speak out. i'd never here as a campaigner. i never thust ht speak out. i'd never here as a campaigner. i never thust wanted)eak out. i'd never here as a campaigner. i never thust wanted to k out. i'd never here as a campaigner. i never thust wanted to livet. i'd never here as a campaigner. i never thust wanted to live myd never here as a campaigner. i never thust wanted to live my bestfer i just wanted to live my best life. like many survivors . life. like so many survivors. just try to myself to a just try to get myself to a point where i feel like i could exist. >> you know, having had a lot of my childhood taken away, it was about sort of unpacking that, you know , i had delayed onset you know, i had a delayed onset of maturity , had to catch of maturity, so i had to catch up myself . up with myself. >> so that's how i sort of >> and so that's how i sort of proceeded through those years and then sort of into my late 30s, 40s, i thought, how do you know what i feel? so much better about myself and what about other other members of your family? >> were you able to talk to anybody at all? no, i think it's too embarrassing. >> it's too embarrassing to talk about. >> and it's you know, i was you know, you think i was in 1972, baby , you know, in the 80s and 90s. >> we didn't talk about this. we didn't talk about this. and it wasn't fault. it'sjust

wasn't anyone fault. it's just the way lives were. and so, you know, obviously i have been able to speak about it again now. and you know, and people around me do understand much better now because obviously they saw the fallout of me as a young girl and now as a as an adult. they can really see why i want to do this and why i want to make difference. >> so what about and obviously, you're not going to name anybody or that, the or anything like that, but the person you has has person who abused you has has has this been exposed at all or anything or have you kept it? >> no. >> no. >> i think mm. mm- >> i think like a lot of survivors, it was one of those moments it was, moments that it was, too. >> scary when you're in >> it's scary when you're in your late teens, 20s, talking about this subject and, you know, what do you do next? and of course, you know, as a 51 no. 50 year old woman and i would absolutely stand up and expose that person . but as a 20 year that person. but as a 20 year old, i just couldn't bring myself to do it. and so i didn't. >> so the person has not not got off scot free, but no one really knows who this person is. and

there's nothing you can i suppose in a sense there's not really much you can do about it once you expose it, then what? >> yes, exactly. once you expose it, then what? >> and exactly. once you expose it, then what? >> and ixactly. once you expose it, then what? >> and i think, know, now >> and i think, you know, now i'm where i've got i'm at the point where i've got to say , hey, i can help to just say, hey, i can help other that other people maybe get to that point disclose point where they can disclose and can, you know, and where they can, you know, report out the perpetrator and feel feel confident to do so, because i shouldn't have not felt confident. i shouldn't have felt confident. i shouldn't have felt shameful. i shouldn't have felt shameful. i shouldn't have felt embarrassed or silenced because wasn't my shame. because it wasn't my shame. well, that's a tough thing, isn't it, to have to live with the fact that that person has not got their comeuppance. >> of with >> but your way of dealing with it be to make sure that it will be to make sure that others their comeuppance. so others get their comeuppance. so talk campaign others get their comeuppance. so talk that campaign others get their comeuppance. so talk that just campaign others get their comeuppance. so talk that just that. mpaign then that does just that. >> my shame. so about >> yeah, not my shame. so about 2 3 years ago i was sort 2 or 3 years ago when i was sort of through lots of own of going through lots of my own development as a campaigner, as an i was sort an advocate, i was sort of swirling around this conversation in quite often in the media, about the the media, we hear about the perpetrators. we don't often hear victims. hear about the victims. >> is often about the >> the story is often about the perpetrators . perpetrators. >> and i wanted to get behind that and say, hold on minute, that and say, hold on a minute, behind stories of victims, behind those stories of victims, it's shame , but everyone

it's not our shame, but everyone behind those stories and some will be triggered. and it's like a domino effect when you see, you know, all the high profile cases that we've seen over the years involved in child sexual abuse. people crumbling abuse. people are crumbling behind i thought that behind that. and i thought that that just doesn't with that just doesn't sit well with me. our shame. why me. it's not our shame. why should we have that we should we have that fear? we were children . and so were just children. and so i started swirling around with that conversation. i put it onto the social media about 2 or 3 years and it got lot of years ago, and it got a lot of attention. it into a quote attention. i put it into a quote and made the slogan last year and made the slogan last year and it onto social media, and put it onto social media, and put it onto social media, and then i thought, and then this year i thought, you i'm just going to and then this year i thought, you it i'm just going to and then this year i thought, you it on i'm just going to and then this year i thought, you it on a i'm just going to and then this year i thought, you it on at i'm just going to and then this year i thought, you it on a t shirt�*m just going to and then this year i thought, you it on a t shirt and|st going to and then this year i thought, you it on a t shirt and getioing to and then this year i thought, you it on a t shirt and get itng to get it on a t shirt and get it out and it out on out there. and i put it out on twitter and it did. it went viral . and a few people who viral. and a few people who i know survivors were like , hey, know survivors were like, hey, you know, we want to put a t shirt on as well. so i was like, great. know, you feel great. you know, if you feel comfortable it's great. you know, if you feel comfcan ble it's great. you know, if you feel comfcan in—your—face it's great. you know, if you feel comfcan in—your—face tit's great. you know, if you feel comfcan in—your—face t shirt quite an in—your—face t shirt because almost been wearing it, you are admitting to having been through and no through that. and i have no shame that. i have no shame. >> it's not your fault. >> it's not your fault. >> absolutely. and then was >> absolutely. so and then i was thinking, keep up

thinking, i just cannot keep up with all these with the demand of all these requests. made a shopfront requests. so i made a shopfront andifs requests. so i made a shopfront and it's been seen in australia, canada, dubai , new zealand, canada, dubai, new zealand, south africa. it's to going pakistan next week. >> so people are buying these t shirts and then the funds go into charity. >> we're doing is it >> so what we're doing is it made sense. you know, we're in the embryonic stages of project 910, which is a charity set up for public benefit to for the public benefit to protect raise awareness and reduce child sexual abuse. we are developing we are fundraising and every little helps, right? so it was like an ecosystem support survivors educate children the next generations and give back, give back to society, you know, because they say child sexual abuse is 1 in 201 in 6 to 1 in 4. abuse is1in 201 in 6to 1 in 4.1 abuse is 1 in 201 in 6 to 1 in 4. i think it's even higher. 1 in 3. you know, i see people all the time. >> well, i mean, recently the footballer came out say that footballer came out to say that he dodl he was abused as dodi. >> yeah. very >> yeah, yeah, yeah. very emotional, very emotional interview . and yes, incredible, interview. and yes, incredible, incredible. first time he'd actually admitted it. >> and people don't to

>> and people don't want to admit >> and people don't want to adr right. >> and people don't want to adrright. but i think more >> right. but i think the more people do come out, it people who do come out, it really helps everyone else. and so this campaign has, i believe, taken off and helped so many people. you some people don't even want to wear it. that's fine. but having it close to them reminded them, well, them has reminded them, well, even buying one will others even buying one will help others anyway. people want to get >> so if people want to get hold of t shirt, where does it of this t shirt, where does it need to go? what can they do? >> go w—w—w—what. not my >> so go to w—w—w—what. not my shame. and there is a shame. global and there is a range of products on there that you you can wear, you can you can you can wear, you can use an you can you can wear, you can use an and but more importantly, hopefully will empower you to remind you that it's not your shame. it's not your silence. you are just a child . it's not you are just a child. it's not your fault. >> well, listen, emma jane, it's been to talk to you. been really good to talk to you. very nana. very brave woman. thanks, nana. thank emma jane thank you so much, emma jane taylor. founder of taylor. she's the founder of hashtag my shame. it's hashtag not my shame. it's a campaign. it's gone viral. please please support please help her. please support her. a charity that her. she's got a charity that will help others going will hopefully help others going through similar trauma. well through the similar trauma. well coming the way, coming up, though, on the way, it's british it's time for the great british debate asking debate this hour. and i'm asking , barge enough , is the margaret barge enough of to deter the

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channel now time for channel and it's now time for the great british debate this houn the hour. and i'm asking, is the migrant barge enough of a deterrent? now hundreds of migrants to be housed on migrants are set to be housed on a barge the south coast a giant barge on the south coast with about 50 asylum seekers moving into it. it's the bibby stockholm in portland and they're moving in from next week. we all know about it because footage has been released inside it. so released from inside it. so let's a look. if you're let's take a look. if you're listening on radio, it's a very nice clean environment. no smoking, no vaping. beautiful, nice new carpeted floor laptops . i've got some laptops on the desks, at least 5 or 6 of them. it's looking pretty good. it's got a welcoming security checkpoint and a no smoking or vaping policy. bibby barge boasts a computer room equipped with laptops, internet access whilst the taxpayers wait for months for gp appointments. the residents of the bibby stockholm have an in—house medical facility at their disposal. i mean , what's not to love? and if mean, what's not to love? and if you're feeling peckish while the residents can dine free, hot

meals are prepared. in the state of the art kitchen , which is of the art kitchen, which is stacked with all the cooking essentials and ingredients like the latest ketchup, which is the go to heinz ketchup there where residents not not not some cheap off brand type, but actually heinz itself residents can retire to their bedrooms, which are equipped with desks and a flat screen. i mean , let's be flat screen. i mean, let's be honest, it actually looks very pleasant. but will the government's plan aiming to reduce the cost of the public purse actually work out? is the plush bibby stockholm enough of a deterrent? well i'm joined by former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie for former tory mp and chair of the environment, food and affairs committee , and rural affairs committee, neil finally, local neil parish. and finally, local journalist kim what i'm journalist kim rye. what i'm going start immediately with journalist kim rye. what i'm goirformer art immediately with journalist kim rye. what i'm goirformer editornediately with journalist kim rye. what i'm goirformer editor ofdiately with journalist kim rye. what i'm goirformer editor of theely with journalist kim rye. what i'm goirformer editor of the sun, th the former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie . you've seen kelvin mackenzie. you've seen the state of the bibby stockholm what is your take on it? do you think that it's enough to deter the migrants ? oh are we going to the migrants? oh are we going to get kelvin ? okay, let's try. if

get kelvin? okay, let's try. if we can see if we can get neil paris. oh there we go. i've got you. now, kelvin, i've got to start with you. i'd be very surprised if that film that you've just shown isn't being used by smugglers in belgium and france right now to encourage them to head over to portland, where, you know, there's a decent gym, three meals a day being taken on guided tours of the nicer areas of dorset . the nicer areas of dorset. >> and everything is coming up roses. >> now, i recognise that this country has to accept some refugees fleeing difficult areas , but actually and i do recognise that we can't have them living in hovels either . them living in hovels either. but what i don't like is the idea that we are now giving better facilities to these people. then the locals are now saying are being given to their own homeless. i mean it is frankly ridiculous . and not only

frankly ridiculous. and not only that, the thing i cannot understand for the life of me is why on earth ? rishi sunak why on earth? rishi sunak doesn't make more of this as a political point, because i doubt whether i mean , i know what gb whether i mean, i know what gb views gb news viewers may think, but honestly, across the country there's a lack of fairness that's going on and i recognise there's a lack of fairness in there's a lack of fairness in the world, right? >> but we cannot solve all the wars and all the fighting going on between various nations across the world. >> and not only can't we, i don't want to and nor can we afford it. >> well, i don't want to either. i'm with you on that neil parish. oh, hello. >> good . >> good. >> good. >> good. >> good afternoon, nana. >> good afternoon, nana. >> yeah, mean, i think the >> yeah, i mean, i think the barge, whole idea was to try barge, the whole idea was to try and make it a deterrent. i mean, the problem is you've got to sort of balance being making sure that the facilities are okay for to come on and okay for people to come on and but also, of course , they but also, of course, they portland is let's say it is not

the centre of the universe . and the centre of the universe. and so therefore, they will be very much on the barge. i suspect they will find it difficult to get off the barge and move around. but like i said , i think around. but like i said, i think is it going to be deterrent? it probably isn't. on the other hand , can we actually deal with hand, can we actually deal with asylum seekers and those that are here, whether we like it or not, we probably do need to make sure they have reasonably decent facilities . but i can understand facilities. but i can understand people who are homeless, people who perhaps are having difficulty with their housing will be upset by it. but of course of the course the whole idea of the barge try and stop barge was to try and stop us using hotels and actually send back a message. but i think until we actually do more at the french end , stopping them coming french end, stopping them coming ovenl french end, stopping them coming over, i am not absolutely convinced that anything will be a deterrent to stop them coming here. >> well, it's interesting that kelvin, you pointed out with regard to the fact that we have to give them somewhere nice, and you alluded that. but you also alluded to that. but they come coming from they come they're coming from tents in france. let's go to kim roy, kim, this is an obscenity ,

roy, kim, this is an obscenity, in my opinion, when you consider the number of people who are now laying in shop doorways waiting for people to throw them, a bit of money for food, some of them are ex—servicemen and they've got a laid on jim in this place. >> they've got health care on tap. there are people waiting on very long waiting lists in this country for medical treatment and they've got free dentists. i've been looking at the isa, the employment allowance that people get alongside the aspen card that these people get. and it turns out people that are on on isas, which is employment and support allowance , are paying support allowance, are paying their bills out of this . these their bills out of this. these people are getting the aspen card allowance . and that's 4739 card allowance. and that's 4739 for each person of the household, as they call it . and household, as they call it. and they don't have to pay any bills out of that because we're doing the lawyers, we're doing the

free health care, we're doing the interpreters, and it starts right here on the coast. when they land, when they get the police, the police are there waiting for them all the officials from the home office are there . and we've got we even are there. and we've got we even have our powerstown power station police down there . station police down there. >> so kim kim on that beach. so, kim, very briefly , kim, i've got kim, very briefly, kim, i've got to go to the news very briefly, but do you yes or no then? do you think the bibby stockholm will be deterrent? yes or no? >> no , it's an invitation. >> no, it's an invitation. >> no, it's an invitation. >> mackenzie yes or no >> kelvin mackenzie yes or no deterrent, yes or no? no absolutely not. neil parish well, it's not an invitation , well, it's not an invitation, but it's not a deterrent either. >> i'm a typical politician, want the best of all but want the best of all worlds, but seriously, whole idea was to seriously, the whole idea was to make it a deterrent , seriously, the whole idea was to make it a deterrent, i think because has got good facilities, it's probably going to be painted as as much a much different to what it was . so is different to what it was. so is that a yes or no in the end, you have meet , you know, all of have to meet, you know, all of our we've got to deal with

homeless . homeless. >> we started off with a typical politician. you definitely are. you didn't properly answer the question. neil parris , a question. neil parris, a pleasure to talk to you. thank you parish, you very much sir. neil parish, kelvin mackenzie and also kim rice. thank you so much for your thoughts. appreciated well, what do think this is? gb views do you think this is? gb views on tv, online and on digital radio. what think. radio. i know what i think. i think ships in the think cruise ships in the channel. we're tv online channel. we're live on tv online and digital radio the and on digital radio on the way. we'll great we'll continue with our great british is british debate. i'm asking, is the barge of the migrant barge enough of a deterrent? you'll hear the thoughts panel. thoughts of my panel. broadcaster and also lizzie cundy. political cundy. and also political commentator sam dowler. but first, your latest first, let's get your latest news headlines . news headlines. >> thank you very much, nana. i'm rory smith in the gb newsroom . sir keir starmer is newsroom. sir keir starmer is urging london's mayors to decline to reflect on the expansion of ulez after labour's by—election loss in uxbridge and south ruislip protesters gathered outside the bbc in london this afternoon , with many

london this afternoon, with many expressing anger at the mayor's plans to expand the ultra low emissions zone. the labour leader says that while his party is reflecting on the reasons for the byelection loss, they must show historic levels of effort , show historic levels of effort, discipline and focus. firefighters in greece are battling blazes as the country swelters through a heatwave supported by water bombers and reinforcements from abroad. emergency crews continued their efforts to bring the wildfires under control . the areas under control. the areas affected include parts of athens and some popular holiday spots, including the island of rhodes. greece's climate crisis minister is urging people to remain on guard . plans to scrap london's guard. plans to scrap london's day travelcard will see them disappear from stations as early as january next year. the paper tickets are mostly used by visitors to the capital who are able to travel throughout the city at no extra cost. the tickets cost tfl around £40

million annually, an order issued by london's mayor will see the tickets scrapped next yeah see the tickets scrapped next year. super markets have more than doubled their margins in fuel since russia's invasion of ukraine. the rsa says asda, tesco, morrisons and sainsbury's were making an average of around 4.7 pence per litre on fuel sales when the ukraine war began last year. the motoring company found this had increased to around £0.10 per litre, leading to higher pump prices . that's to higher pump prices. that's the up to date. but you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website. that is gbnews.com. now though, back to nana. >> thank you, rory. well coming up, i'll be continuing with the great british debate this hour, and i'll be asking, great british debate this hour, and i'll be asking , is the and i'll be asking, is the migrant enough of a migrant barge enough of a deterrent ? plus, on way, my

deterrent? plus, on the way, my panel will be paying attention to this week the to the news this week and the quick see how much they quick quiz and see how much they actually know which doesn't tend to

the people's. channel for. >> good afternoon . this is on tv >> good afternoon. this is on tv onune >> good afternoon. this is on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua is just coming up to 39 minutes after 5:00. if you've just tuned in. welcome on board. now before the break, we're discussing the migrant barge and

is it enough of a deterrent? and this of this also comes as hundreds of migrants set to housed migrants are set to be housed on the barge in the south the giant barge in the south coast with about 50 asylum seekers on their way to the bibby stockholm in portland for next week. only male adults, so nothing to worry about there. who are towards the end of their asylum application and will be on the barge, meaning they'll be most likely allowed to stay in the uk. so for the great british debate this out, i'm asking is the enough of a the migrant barge enough of a deterrent? see what deterrent? well, let's see what my panel make of that. i've got broadcast lizzie broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy, also political commentator dowler . dowler, commentator sam dowler. dowler, fowler, dowler . commentator sam dowler. dowler, fowler, dowler. is commentator sam dowler. dowler, fowler, dowler . is it commentator sam dowler. dowler, fowler, dowler. is it enough for bibby stockholm beautiful pictures. we'll probably play some them so can have some of them so you can have another see how another look at them to see how nice it is. >> well, wouldn't >> well, i wouldn't say beautiful, nice. beautiful, but i thought nice. there was some journalists were allowed barge and i was allowed onto the barge and i was reading a review and i don't reading a bbc review and i don't know they're to know whether they're supposed to be because they be comedy or not because they did saying it certainly did a quote saying it certainly doesn't liner doesn't have ocean liner splendour. there's no grand staircase, or staircase, fine artwork or sculpture. stairwells feel sculpture. the stairwells feel quite industrial. oh, my god .

quite industrial. oh, my god. god, of course they do . god, of course they do. >> it's a barge. >> it's a barge. >> and also, they've doubled the amount of people they can have on it just by putting in bunk beds. good. and look , it beds. good. and look, it doesn't. it doesn't look great, doesn't. it doesn't look great, doesit doesn't. it doesn't look great, does it ? let's be honest. what does it? let's be honest. what does it? let's be honest. what do you mean doesn't? well, do you mean it doesn't? well, i mean, if you look if let's say you look at homeless or you look at a homeless person or a of course, or a homeless person, of course, or the prisons which, the inside of prisons and which, again, look very similar. again, they look very similar. >> so this looks like an inside of prison you. you of a prison to you. have you ever in one? ever been in one? >> i've seen pictures >> yeah, but i've seen pictures of prisons nowadays. they look like that. so you've not get off where doctors. where they've got doctors. >> they've got in—house doctors, they've gym, got they've got a gym, they've got dentists. dorset council >> but also like dorset council are £3,500 for every are getting £3,500 for every person that's on that's on the bed. that's on. >> i think the council would probably turn that away. they probably turn that away. they probably didn't want it and would them keep would probably tell them to keep their think they did actually. >> but it's but it's also about what these because say what these because you did say they're predominantly male. well they're predominantly male. well they all male. they're predominantly male. well they they're all male. they're predominantly male. well they they're all all male. they're predominantly male. well they they're all male.l male. they're predominantly male. well they they're all male. andle. they're predominantly male. well they they're all male. and if. i said they're all male. and if they end of they are coming to the end of their well, i mean, their asylum as well, i mean, what is their what is their head space like? are they space going to be like? are they going like, oh, you know,

going to be like, oh, you know, like, example, been like, for example, there's been fires how fires in the hotels. like how how are they how are they going? are they going is this going to be like this? is this is should treat it is our home? we should treat it as are they to going as such? or are they to going try and revolt? you try and revolt? what do you think? i think it's the questions. what's the answer? i think honestly think i think it's honestly a disaster happen. disaster waiting to happen. >> i thought. jane >> deterrent, i thought. jane macdonald was going come macdonald was going to come round corner singing. round the corner singing. i do love beside seaside love to be beside the seaside now. i'm sorry. look this place that we've given them accommodation , food. they've got accommodation, food. they've got their own gym , a pool room, their own gym, a pool room, access to medical services , you access to medical services, you name it, games room. they've got it. >> a games room. um you've got a games room. >> let me just tell you, though, the worry is this barge won't take one influx of , you know, take one influx of, you know, boats that are coming in in just in july. there's 1300 that have come over and what are we going to be like? waterworld of kevin costner movie with all these barges everywhere ? it is a barges everywhere? it is a gimmick. i'm sorry, this is gimmick. and i'm sorry, this is about as effective as a chocolate teapot. it's not going to work. >> well, look, we're going to

show you, sam, because you said there's games there is there's no games room. there is a it's got pool a games room. it's got a pool game. well, it's got a snooker table, this is table, but this is this is surely is surely to do. surely but this is surely to do. >> this is to keep people >> but this is to keep people entertained. got entertained. well, that's got nothing to do with they're really people really nice. that's why people go well really >> well yeah, well that's really nice. worrying. nice. and we're worrying. we don't want people to go crazy. i know seen the shining know we've all seen the shining and movie. and that wasn't a great movie. just nice mansion. just stuck on in a nice mansion. but problem this is but the problem with this is that people who were on that these people who were on there, what those outside there, what what those outside this see are the this country will see are the pictures of this. so the visuals of this does not look good in terms of a deterrent because people will look at that and go, well, they've got a games room. oh, well, they've got it's all clean. there's food, there's a doctor, this what how doctor, there's this what how are honestly, genuinely going are we honestly, genuinely going to people from coming to stop people from coming across if make look like across if we make it look like they're what what across if we make it look like thejwe what what across if we make it look like thejwe supposedihat what across if we make it look like thejwe supposed tot what across if we make it look like thejwe supposed to do? what are we supposed to do? >> still we still are part of >> we still we still are part of the european court of human rights, we can't the european court of human rigcan't we can't the european court of human rigcan't show we can't the european court of human rigcan't show pictures we can't the european court of human rigcan't show pictures of can't the european court of human rigcan't show pictures of like 't the european court of human rigcan't show pictures of like , we can't show pictures of like, you cells or like you know, like cells or like swill covered floors can have people in tents go on, lizzie. >> but no, but talking of

france, what have they done? how about france earned their money? what france actually done what have france actually done to this? and we've got to help this? and we've got 160,000 already still to be processed . it's costing us 6 processed. it's costing us 6 million a day in hotels . this is million a day in hotels. this is a botched job. this is a gimmick. and i tell you what, in dorset, there are so many protests. there's two sets of protests, actually, that both don't want this. and i'll be honest , don't want this. and i'll be honest, would you want this in your community village ? your community village? >> say what france have >> well, i say what france have done literally done is made it literally inhospitable on the coast in these tents. the want these tents. so the people want to leave. kind of that's to leave. that's kind of that's kind where they sit. and they kind of where they sit. and they are of human are also part of the human rights convention well. what rights convention as well. what would sam, then? >> look , i think u then? >> look , i think i would do >> look, i think what i would do was because i know they have meeting rooms stuff, give meeting rooms and stuff, give them lessons , give them them english lessons, give them give , give them more, give give them, give them more, give them give them jobs around around the boat, them give them jobs around around the boat , for example, around the boat, for example, like give them cleaning jobs. give like give them education, jobs. like what you do home? like what did you do back home? like how how can we how can we use this? how i've this? this is how skills i've asked you what you would do to

stop whole influx. stop this whole influx. >> saying give them >> and you're saying give them jobs barge. jobs in on the barge. >> i know as a deterrent, of course, is about deterrent. >> you be doing? >> what would you be doing? >> what would you be doing? >> has the answer. nana >> nobody has the answer. nana we asking you what you we know. i'm asking you what you would doing. would be doing. >> on. would be doing. >> come on. would be doing. >> come on, politician they go on. okay , i'm not a on. sam okay, i'm not a politician. what i would do is get to improve their get them to improve their situations in their in their base. >> same answers, okay? from their base countries . yeah. so their base countries. yeah. so send out more resources to another country to make them better. don't come. better. so don't come. >> we need get rid of the >> we need to get rid of the thing the gangs. the thing is the gangs. without the gangs, the gangs, we don't get the crossings. these crossings. we need these process. send them crossings. we need these proceto send them crossings. we need these proceto their send them crossings. we need these proceto their country. end them crossings. we need these proceto their country. take hem back to their country. take a leaf out of australia's book. people said that was a harsh policy worked for policy, but it worked for australia. can work for us. australia. it can work for us. we've got 160,000 still waiting to be processed and what i would do first of all is employ more people to go to go through their applications. >> first of all, like as you said, 160,000 get more money into the people who are going to go through the applications, sort them out and then deal with them. then we have islands. >> mean, even falkland

>> i mean, even on the falkland islands, we could build a processing get the processing centre, get the courts there process within courts in there process within two weeks. as we know, two weeks. humanism as we know, but it's not dehumanise thing. but if, you know, if they're good to come here, they can come here. but if not, they're sent back to they from. back to where they came from. i'm but is not the i'm sorry, but this is not the answer. is a gimmick and answer. this is a gimmick and it's the people of it's not fair on the people of dorset. okay well, what i would do simple, really. do is quite simple, really. >> it's if >> and i think it's perhaps if the politicians are listening, i'll a leaf out of my i'll give them a leaf out of my book. look what i have book. look what i would have here there's a lot of cruise here are there's a lot of cruise ships that can take at least 5000 on board people 5000 people on board and people actually those actually pay to go on those things. have them moored things. i would have them moored in so nobody in the channel yeah. so nobody comes. people are comes. so for the people who are here, we'll to learn here, well, we'll have to learn to more processing and to get some more processing and process them. we can't do much about now, the ones about that now, but for the ones coming, i wouldn't coming, i would say i wouldn't have stockholm have a bibby stockholm barge moored beautiful, moored on some beautiful, quaint dorset town. wouldn't doing dorset town. i wouldn't be doing that. where people can come that. so where people can come off like in off and do whatever they like in the vicinity, that's the vicinity, because that's very upsetting and worrying for those especially those who live there, especially when they are. when we don't know who they are. i my ships i would have my cruise ships moored. come moored. you wouldn't come off the the facilities the cruise ship. the facilities would all be on cruise ship. would all be on the cruise ship. it's when

would all be on the cruise ship. it's bbc when would all be on the cruise ship. it's bbc would when would all be on the cruise ship. it's bbc would reportingan would all be on the cruise ship. it's bbc would reporting it, the bbc would be reporting it, they reporting this they would be reporting this lovely everything they would be reporting this lovely all everything they would be reporting this lovely all process everything they would be reporting this lovely all process eveiwhile] they would be reporting this love drivel process eveiwhile] they would be reporting this lovedrivel pr(ship eveiwhile] they would be reporting this lovedrivel pr(ship off veiwhile] they would be reporting this love drivel pr(ship off to while] rwanda. >> how about that? >> how about that? >> no process them on cruise >> no process them on the cruise and ship and then and then on that ship and then they make the they need to go from ship. agree with that. >> land nana. i agree that. >> put %- % off. it's not >> put them off. it's not horrible. polite. you're >> put them off. it's not horrib kind, polite. you're >> put them off. it's not horrib kind, po you're u're >> put them off. it's not horrib kind, po you're not. being kind, but you're not. i think it's polite. >> but what we've got to do, we've got to speed up the process that as well. >> that will be on the way on the back burner for the people that but for those that are here. but for those anyone they're anyone else who thinks they're coming be coming on board, i'm going to be on stockholm. they'll on the bibby stockholm. they'll be ship, right, be on a cruise ship, right, which sounds a lot which i think sounds a lot more luxurious, frankly. but this show you show is nothing without you and your be your viewers. they wouldn't be getting let's getting off, though. let's welcome of our great welcome some of our great british voices. don't british voices. i don't think that's think that's unpleasant. i think that's kind. but you're providing shelter. providing food and shelter. this is the is your opportunity to be on the show us you think show and tell us what you think about we're about the topics we're discussing. they discussing. but at least they wouldn't come onshore and they wouldn't come onshore and they wouldn't there wouldn't worry the locals there today. of you. today. i've got four of you. let's julie ford. let's start with julie ford. she's bedford. julie let's start with julie ford. she's do bedford. julie let's start with julie ford. she's do you bedford. julie let's start with julie ford. she's do you think?)rd. julie what do you think? >> hi, nana. >> hi, nana. >> i agree lizzie. it's >> i agree with lizzie. it's just gimmick, really. just a gimmick, really. >> see it being sustainable. >> and also it's what they're providing the of the

providing at the end of the process for them. this isn't even at the beginning, so how on earth can it a deterrent if earth can it be a deterrent if what they're right at what they're providing right at the is not great? they the beginning is not great? they know they're going to get some pretty good accommodation at the end. i have to agree with end. and i have to agree with sam little as well. rather sam a little bit as well. rather than giving a games room and all these and everything these the gym and everything like them something like that to give them something where can be better where they can be better integrated society and integrated into society and education with regards to how we behave in england, our culture, engush behave in england, our culture, english language . english language. >> but this is all great things. >> but this is all great things. >> absolutely . but frustrating >> absolutely. but frustrating for is these are for me is these are accommodations on the barge is actually better than what is being provided to our homeless people . and at the moment people. and at the moment there's a 1.2 million people that are waiting on the homeless register. that's actually the same amount of people on the register . and we're giving all register. and we're giving all of this funding to people who are trying to get into the uk. >> well, it's hardly a deterrent. it i going to deterrent. it i was going to say, to stop you there, say, i've got to stop you there, julie. i've got to get the others on over. julie. i've got to get the oth would over. julie. i've got to get the oth would have to go first. >> would have to go first. >> would have to go first. >> julie, that new hair has

>> julie, stop that new hair has made much . made you talk too much. >> it's your new hair. it's you taking a leaf out of my book. very nice, julia. we love it. we love let's go to jacqui love it. let's go to jacqui sampson. there in saint sampson. she's there in saint albans. jacqui hello. >> no way, shape or form is >> in no way, shape or form is this a deterrent. >> we still can't seem to be able to distinguish between genuine asylum seekers and economic migrants either way, the nobody is deterred to coming here, even if those conditions were not the way they are. the conditions and facilities are amazing. it's not a deterrent to anybody. and as the last person said, we've got all the homeless people. it is grim that we can't provide this kind of step up for them. it's no deterrent. >> it's no deterrent . people >> it's no deterrent. people will come here regardless . it'll will come here regardless. it'll be it'll be a tick tock video as an invitation. david balm in watford . watford. >> hello everybody . love the >> hello everybody. love the idea of trying to educate people, but suggest before they suggest that one watch. >> mind your language from the 19705. 1970s. >> barry evans

19705. >> barry evans teaching english as a second language. >> these are not refugees. >> these are not refugees. >> these are economic migrants. they're all men. so if there were refugees, there would be the women there would be the children, put them the boat, children, put them on the boat, tow rwanda because tow the boat to rwanda because it'll quicker than trying to it'll be quicker than trying to get plane then get them on a plane and then make uncomfortable to spend make it uncomfortable to spend the come across the money to come across the channel spend the money channel and then spend the money on the homeless who actually genuinely need help they are genuinely need the help they are british people who live here, who grow up here and are suffering economic hardship and mental hardship . mental hardship. >> well, you didn't mince your words there, right to the point let's go to brian duggan lastly in . brian how are you in solihull. brian how are you doing? >> nana? i agree with everyone. i don't see the use of the barge as a deterrent at all. >> whatever the reasons, compelling people to move to the uk or to come to the uk , come to uk or to come to the uk, come to other countries, this this is not going to deter them . not going to deter them. >> um, it's a, it's a deflection. as lizzie pointed out, pretty unedifying, one

would suggest that the real issue, the real underlying issue i think dan pointed it out we have 170,000 outstanding asylum cases in march . cases in march. >> i think that was the record when it was over 172 000. we're spending £6 million per day on hotel accommodation as taxpayers we have is it 5000 empty hotel beds as a buffer? the home office has revealed we are not deaung office has revealed we are not dealing with the underlying issue and that's why we're coming up. >> we know that . can i have >> we know that. can i have a nod ? what if you agree with my nod? what if you agree with my cruise ship idea like this? otherwise no cruise ships in the channel? yeah cruise ships in the channel. and i don't think that's unkind. i'm being polite. there's a shrug shoulder there as well. 3—3, three out as well. that's 3—3, three out of agreeing and then a of four agreeing and then a shrug. thank you very of four agreeing and then a shrug. my thank you very of four agreeing and then a shrug. my brilliant,ink you very of four agreeing and then a shrug. my brilliant, greatu very much. my brilliant, great british voices. julian bedford, david in watford, jacqui sampson in in in saint albans, and brian in solihull. right, it's time , solihull. right, it's now time, though, fire quiz. though, for the quick fire quiz.

this show this is the part of the show where panel on some of where i test my panel on some of the hitting the the other topics hitting the headunes the other topics hitting the headlines joined headlines right now, i'm joined by columnist by broadcaster and columnist lizzie your lizzie cundy. lizzie, your buzzer, dowler, buzzer, please. and sam dowler, your . yeah, that your buzzer, please. yeah, that was slightly weird . was slightly weird. >> that sums up not my usual one. >> i don't know what that was about. right? question one green's colour. green's my favourite colour. please home. by please play along at home. by the nigel his the way, nigel farage. his bank account waves account has been making waves this week, but which british bank accused of closing bank has been accused of closing down nigel's account? is it lloyds? or lloyds? coutts natwest or barclays ? i think that was cute. barclays? i think that was cute. >> natwest it is indeed. >> natwest it is indeed. >> coutts natwest , everyone >> coutts natwest, everyone should know that question too. true or false? joe biden is now using shorter steps to board air force one after a string of embarrassing stumbles. lizzie cundy true , it is in fact true. cundy true, it is in fact true. sam downer you look nonplussed. you're not going to be quicker than that. question three legendary corona crooner tony bennett passed away yesterday at the age of 96, a career littered with major awards. but how many grammys did tony win over his career? closest answer wins . career? closest answer wins. >> well, there's answers there.

>> well, there's answers there. >> i know what it is. >> i know what it is. >> well, i'm giving you some 12, 15, 20. okay let's see. the answer is 20 the correct answer. >> it was a friend of the family because you thought that you would look autocue. would look at the autocue. >> unfortunately for you, it >> and unfortunately for you, it tncked yeah >> and unfortunately for you, it tricked yeah i know. that's tricked you. yeah i know. that's how it does . okay. well, his how it does. okay. well, his first one was actually in 1963 for left my heart in san for i left my heart in san francisco and then his final grammy was in 2022 for his duet with gaga . i love that. yeah. >> and he also sang with amy winehouse dizzee. >> , amy winehouse, bless her >> oh, amy winehouse, bless her soul , right? question for soul, right? question for british joe b pool referred british man joe b pool referred to as the easter bunny by the british police, who has been sentenced to 18 months in prison on thursday for stealing cadbury's creme eggs from a telford industrial estate. but how did he steal? how many eggs did he steal? closest wins . lizzie closest answer wins. lizzie cundy 50. >> 50. 300. >>- >> 50. 300. >> 350, says lizzie , the answer >> 350, says lizzie, the answer is in fact 200. 200,000. what 200,000? >> what do you do with them?

well, the small, aren't they? well, the small, aren't they? well, you know. but he must have had someone to help him. yeah that's a truck full. >> it is a truck full. that's unbelievable. i know. bless his heart. >> i hope he didn't resell them for charity. >> heard there were £31,000. >> i heard there were £31,000. well, sir wales, he give well, sir wales, did he give them needy kids he's them to needy kids if he's easter well, don't easter bunny? well, i don't know what them. it what he did with them. it doesn't wish find doesn't say. i wish i did find out. find day. out. i find a hot day. >> they have melted. >> they would have melted. >> they would have melted. >> no, don't what >> no, i don't know what happened. question five berlin was i'm on edge was on the edge. i'm on the edge this glory during a two this week of glory during a two day life on the edge. careful you don't fall off a two day search for an apparent lion on you don't fall off a two day seailoose an apparent lion on you don't fall off a two day seailoose arthe parent lion on you don't fall off a two day seailoose artheparerhowever the loose in the city. however the loose in the city. however the mystery has been solved as police revealed that it was in fact what animal on the loose? was a a horse? b was it a boar? a horse? b a horse . b a wild boar or was it a boar? a horse? b a horse. b a wild boar or c a goat that got a. a lizzie cundy wobble . wobble. >> oh, that's what i was going to say . to say. >> oh, you didn't. >> oh, you didn't. >> i thought i saw pictures of it. >> and it wasn't a lion. it was like the bushes. like furry in the bushes. >> wild. it was furious. >> it was wild. it was furious. >> it was wild. it was furious. >> was wild. it was furious.

>> it was wild. it was furious. >> it was wild. it was furious. >> it was wild. it was furious. >> it furry in the bushes. >> it was furry in the bushes. >> it was furry in the bushes. >> something would >> you know something that would be which you be very bad to do, which you should if you should never do. oh, if you were in a zoo and i'm not advocating this at all, you're in a zoo. then around, there, then you run around, go there, loose if you loose run for your lives. if you did would be really did that, that would be a really bad. >> oh, i was in a i was in a zoo yesterday, really? >> oh, i was in a i was in a zoo yesteiwere really? >> oh, i was in a i was in a zoo yesteiwere waszally? >> oh, i was in a i was in a zoo yesteiwere was inly? >> oh, i was in a i was in a zoo yesteiwere was in paradise park. >> were you a cage ? no, >> were you in a cage? no, seriously, it was a wild boar in a huge thank you to for your a huge thank you to you for your company. today's i've company. on today's show, i've been the tories company. on today's show, i've bee|the the tories company. on today's show, i've bee|the next the tories company. on today's show, i've bee|the next general1e tories company. on today's show, i've bee|the next general election if win the next general election if they according they abandon net zero? according to poll , 62% say to our twitter poll, 62% say yes, 38. if you say no. thank you so much to my panel. lizzie cundy, thank you very much. sam dowler, very much. and dowler, thank you very much. and huge you for huge thank you to you for joining leave with joining me. i'll leave you with the weather. i'll see you tomorrow three. there or tomorrow at three. be there or be square . be square. >> the temperature's rising . >> the temperature's rising. boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> good afternoon. my name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast brought to you by the met office . so this morning's been pretty

dull and wet for much of the uk and this is due to this area of low pressure. it's bringing a bit of a squeeze in the isobars for southern areas. so some stronger winds to come this afternoon here. plenty of cloud and rain around across much of england, wales and northern ireland, though across scotland through this evening, there will be clearer spells, maybe be some clearer spells, maybe the odd shower here as well. but elsewhere with plenty of cloud rain and stronger winds too, especially for english channel coast. temperatures remaining in the low teens here. cooler across scotland under those clearer skies and north easterly winds. so a bright start to sunday across scotland with a few showers elsewhere , though, few showers elsewhere, though, cloudy still might see a few brighter spells across southern areas with the odd shower into sunday afternoon, though, for northern parts of england and maybe even to northern parts of wales. heavy and persistent rain to come as we go into sunday. so do take care if you are out and about here through sunday morning and into the afternoon

as well. but that rain will start to push southwards as we look into the new week. dry out , brighter and fresher conditions to come in behind. but southern areas looking pretty gloomy still as we start the new week. not a huge amount changing as we head towards midweek with those temperatures still below still remaining at or below average . average. >> the temperatures rising, boxt solar, proud sponsors of weather on .