good evening truth seekers and questioning types. welcome along to neil oliver live once again. coming up tonight on the show, we'll be wading into the climate debate and i'll be talking to, amongst others, ben powell, co—founder of climate debate uk and ben has some questions of his own about the climate orthodoxy . i'll be hearing from orthodoxy. i'll be hearing from journalist donnacha mccarthy, the director of the climate media coalition , who says we media coalition, who says we should be extremely worried about the future of our planet. also, i'll be speaking to fossil hunter jamie jordan, who has made an amazing find just last week. in fact, unearthing a

450,000 year old mammoth tusk . 450,000 year old mammoth tusk. all of that. i'll also be heanng all of that. i'll also be hearing from my erudite and inquisitive panellist , andrew inquisitive panellist, andrew eborn. but first, an update on the latest news from rory smith i >> -- >> thank 5mm >> thank you very much, neal. sir keir starmer armour is urging london's mayors sadiq khan to reflect on the expansion of ulez after labour's by—election loss in uxbridge and south ruislip. protesters gathered outside the bbc in london this afternoon, with many expressing anger at the mayor's plans to expand the ultra low emission zone. the labour leader says that while his party is reflect on the reasons for the byelection loss , they must show byelection loss, they must show historic levels of effort, discipline and focus. >> i don't think there's any doubt that ulez was the reason that we lost the by—election in uxbndge that we lost the by—election in uxbridge and i have said we

should reflect on this includes the mayor. i've spoken to him as you would expect. and so there will that reflection. but will be that reflection. but we're not sitting back. we're not looking over our shoulder. we're pressing forward. there should be an election, a by—election in mid bedfordshire . and so i'm here talking to local residents , to people who local residents, to people who are now fed up and want a by—election desperately and want to vote labour. so yes, of course we reflect, but we're moving forward here because of course, you know, the goal is to get to that general election . get to that general election. >> police are appealing for possible victims of a fatal roofer who raped a woman in his london studio to come forward . london studio to come forward. sritharan santhan lured a woman to a local pub after she had paid him to take pictures for her. paid him to take pictures for hen he paid him to take pictures for her. he told her she was attending a networking event and encouraged her to get drunk before returning back to the studio . the 42 year old man was studio. the 42 year old man was jailed for ii studio. the 42 year old man was jailed for 11 years. police said the woman may not be his only victim and are appealing for

others to come forward . others to come forward. firefighters in greece are battling blazes as the country swelters through a heatwave supported by water bombers and reinforcements from abroad. emerging ac crews continued their efforts to bring the wildfires under control . the wildfires under control. the areas affected include parts of athens and some popular holiday spots, including the island of rhodes. greece's climate crisis minister is urging people to remain on guard as temperatures continue to soar to dangerous levels over the coming days. plans to scrap london's day travelcard will see them disappear from stations as early as january next year. disappear from stations as early as january next year . the paper as january next year. the paper tickets are mostly used by visitors to the capital who are able to travel throughout the city at no extra cost. will, despite selling around a million of the travel cards over the past financial year, offering the tickets costs tfl around £40 million annually. an order issued by london's mayor will see the tickets scrapped next

year. see the tickets scrapped next year . spain see the tickets scrapped next year. spain heads to the polls tomorrow in an election that could see the hard right take power for the first time since the end of the franco dictatorship . many analysts dictatorship. many analysts predict victory for the centre right people's party, but but to form a government they would need. they would likely need the support of the far right vox party. that's a controversial possibility for many spaniards who haven't seen a right wing government since franco's rule endedin government since franco's rule ended in the 1970s. tom jones has criticised a decision to prevent choirs from singing one of his classic songs at rugby matches . my i will. matches. my i will. >> i love delilah was first cut from choir playlists in 2015 before being officially removed this year due to concerns over its references to the murder of a woman while playing to a crowd at cardiff castle last night . at cardiff castle last night. >> sir tom said that while the

choir has stopped singing the song, the crowd couldn't be stopped. and he'll keep singing it as well . supermarkets have it as well. supermarkets have more than doubled their margins on fuel since russias invasion of ukraine. the rsa says asda, tesco morrisons and sainsburys were making an average of around 4.7 pence per litre in fuel sales when the ukraine war began last year. the motoring company found this had increased to around £0.10 per litre, leading to higher pump prices. super market fuel margins were 2.3 pence per litre in 2016, when england have won their first womens world cup match with a 1—0 victory over haiti in brisbane. it took 29 minutes for georgia stanway to push the lionesses into the lead with a retaken penalty, aiming the ball low into the left corner of the net. the lionesses, who have lost just 1 in 33 games under the current manager, take on denmark in their second group

match next week . very best of match next week. very best of luck to them. while tv , online luck to them. while tv, online dab+ radio and on tunein. this is gb news. now though, back to . neil >> when the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to treat everything like it's a nail. for at least three years now, if not in fact, for a whole lot longer, governments here and elsewhere across the west have kept the hammer hand . during hammer always in hand. during the debacle . they called the covid debacle. they called the covid debacle. they called the hammer the science , but it the hammer the science, but it was a hammer by any other name calling. a hammer. the science doesn't make it so you can put a crown on a dog and call him prince, but that doesn't make him a member of the royal family science is supposed to be a conversation without end , an conversation without end, an ongoing of asking ongoing process of asking questions whereby someone observes some part of the way the world seems to work comes up

with a potential explanation for what appears to happening and what appears to be happening and then designs experiments to see if might be if that explanation might be proved . a scientist proved wrong. a scientist actively encourages his fellows to come up with experiments of their better to their own, the better to challenge his idea. for as long as the explanation holds up in the face of the experiments, it gets to stick around. but the point of the scientific method is that every explanation must always subject to challenge always be subject to challenge by anyone in that respect, science turns out to be a bit like the weather, which is to say, changeable. as soon as someone puts the word the in front of the word science , you front of the word science, you know, they've decided the conversation is closed because they have no to offer the they have no more to offer the debate. when a conversation is declared closed, then that process of scientific exploration is dead as though it had been beaten to death . with had been beaten to death. with another hammer locked down and masks were set in place using a hammer months on end. we hammer for months on end. we were science said we were told the science said we had to lock down the world and everyone in it. the brakes were appued everyone in it. the brakes were applied and the world are part

of it. least was brought to a of it. at least was brought to a shuddering halt during shuddering halt before, during and brakes were and after the brakes were applied. many people applied. there were many people , thinking , people naively thinking science still a conversation science was still a conversation who said locking down would save no lives and would in fact cause nothing harm . more voices nothing but harm. more voices were to question masks. were raised to question masks. people trained in the scientific method. who said covering faces with paper and plastic masks would no from would save no one from a respiratory illness like covid. as well as being useless in stopping the spread of the illness . they would have illness. they would have negative consequences for millions, especially the young . millions, especially the young. rather than engage those people in conversation, those wielding the hammer merely saw in front of them yet more nails and used the hammer to flatten them. and here we are now dealing or rather dealing with all rather not dealing with all those disastrous consequences for livelihoods, for economies, livelihoods, mental and physical well—being. the whole kit and caboodle, all the between science the difference between science and this science is the difference between a living plant with roots and a cut flower in a vase. one is alive with more to give . the other with more to give. the other quite dead. more troublesome

voices were heard asking questions about exactly what was going on in ukraine and out came the hammer again. anyone asking about the geopolitics us involvement? biden family involvement? biden family involvement, involvement? biden family involvement , the politics of the involvement, the politics of the azov battalion all silenced. we were told it was about saving democracy . they might as well democracy. they might as well have called it the democracy. democracy is a living thing as well, where in each political ideology is only a theory. each government only an experiment to test the theory and always there should be the opportunity to challenge the theory and when necessary, replace it with one altogether different . whatever altogether different. whatever the is happening in the hell is happening in ukraine, it's not about saving democracy as much anything democracy as much as anything else. about making money. else. it's about making money. hundreds billions of dollars hundreds of billions of dollars in pounds to be more precise, that war is about seeing how quickly the people's money in fact, the money yet to be earned by people and then taxed by by the people and then taxed by our be turned our governments can be turned into the wealth arms into the wealth of arms manufacturers and those who aid and abet them. democracy, another fragile flower has been

flattened in the process . in flattened in the process. in ukraine, any voices asking questions, speaking up in opposition to the government are hammered flat in the name of that so—called democracy. a generation of ukrainians has been harvested . hammers and been harvested. hammers and nails. that's all we are now. the hammer wielders have seized for themselves all the power , for themselves all the power, and yet some of the nails just won't lie flat . right now, the won't lie flat. right now, the hammers are out again . this hammers are out again. this time, the powers that be aided and abetted by more of the science are busy using the summer as an anvil for reasons that make sense only when you're in the business of frightening the daylights of the living daylights out of populations. palette for populations. the palette for colouring the weather maps has been changed from the familiar life greens and blues been changed from the familiar lifithe greens and blues been changed from the familiar lifithe angriest reens and blues been changed from the familiar lifithe angriest ofens and blues been changed from the familiar lifithe angriest of oranges, lues to the angriest of oranges, reds, purples and black glimpsed out of the corner of an eye. the most recent maps of the mediterranean look like pizzas left long the oven, all left too long in the oven, all blistered and burnt. i say it's ludicrous. among the most blatant and inexcusable fear mongering deployed so far , mongering deployed so far, people battered and bruised , not

people battered and bruised, not to mention plain old dead on account of lockdown followed by land war in europe backed up at all times by the threat of global nuclear war, are now being hammered flat by elaborately orchestrated fear of summer. dotted throughout the incinerated hellscapes are the numbers predicting daily temperatures? i think they're missing a trick by not finessing the maps , by having those the maps, by having those numbers held up by little red devils, complete with blackened hooves, horns and white hot flaming pitchforks. the news reporting has been at least as hysterical as the weather forecasting. so far. the combined desperation of disaster journalists for thermometer busting record temperatures has not been enough to push the numbers over the line. but it's only july and there's a lot of summer still to go. having already gone to purple and black, presumably the coverage of new records will of any actual new records will have be accompanied by have to be accompanied by graphics cities in flames and graphics of cities in flames and boiling oceans . feverish has boiling oceans. feverish has been the reminding of the record temperature set in sicily in 2021, when the mercury hit

48.8 c, which . is 119.4 f. 2021, when the mercury hit 48.8 c, which . is119.4 f. so 48.8 c, which. is119.4 f. so vulnerable are the numbers to being manipular to present any case, a person might care to make. i'm reluctant to lean on any myself , but it's at least any myself, but it's at least worth remembering there's nothing new under the sun, including extreme warmth to take. but one source, almost atrillionandom gaillard's medical journal published in new york all the way back in 1884, carried a story about hot weather . the piece carried a story about hot weather. the piece began, carried a story about hot weather . the piece began, quote, weather. the piece began, quote, many a man has mopped his brow dunng many a man has mopped his brow during the summer months of 1884, declared that it was the hottest weather the world ever knew, which, of course, would not be true. the author went on to list extremes recorded as far back as 6 to 7 ad when, quote, the heat was so great in france and germany that all springs dned and germany that all springs dried up. water became so scarce that many people died of thirst. more years were picked out eight, seven, nine. when farm workers were struck down within minutes of attempting work. 993

when the sun's rays were so fierce that vegetation burned up as under the action of fire in 1000 ad quote, rivers ran dry under the protracted heat. the fish were left dry in heaps and putrefied in a few hours, men and animals were venturing in the sun. in the summer of 1022 fell down, dying . and on and on fell down, dying. and on and on it goes. 1130 to 1139 1212 77 in 1303 and 1304 the rain la and sane rivers ran completely dry in the summer of 1625. in scotland , men and beasts died in scotland, men and beasts died in scores as meat could be cooked by merely exposing it to the sun. remember that record temperature of 119.4 fahrenheit in sicily two years ago? a gailyard's journal item quoted a temperature in paris on a memorable day in 1846 of 125 f. more important than watching the numbers and the pizza pie weather maps consider always who benefits and who pays the price

of all this fear. listen to the doom mongers like politicians. john kerry, al gore, barack obama , celebrities like leonardo obama, celebrities like leonardo dicaprio , the software salesmen dicaprio, the software salesmen like bill gates and watch their bank balances always rise faster and stay higher than the mercury in any thermometer. listen to them describe how you and i must live in the future and watch how they live now. and with no signs of changing their ways. the carries gore's and obamas grew ficher carries gore's and obamas grew richer every day. they preached their disaster sermons about sea levels rising ten feet, 50ft, 100ft, and then retired to their beachfront sea level mansions pnced beachfront sea level mansions priced in the tens of millions of dollars. reassured by the fact banks are still happy to lend money for multi—million dollar construction projects at sea level , dollar construction projects at sea level, and insurers are still happy to underwrite the loans for decades to come . a loans for decades to come. a world population made almost 100% safer and our world more liveable in the face of weather. both hot and cold is being told to give up the cheap, available

and reliable fossil fuels that make those better, safer lives possible. john kerry bungalow joe biden's climate tsar recently testified his indignance at being accused of owning a private jet then had to listen while the record was made to show his wife sold the family private jet this year in the face of akua citations of kerry, climate hypocrisy . once again, climate hypocrisy. once again, the hammer that is the science is wielded over and over. we're told 97% of scientists agree the world is made hotter by humans burning fossil fuels. less well known is the fact that number was conjured into being by having a team. read the abstract , which is to say, just the front pages of nearly 12,000 scientific papers dealing with climate change. 3896 were judged as blaming humans for the changes. 7930 didn't endorse a position and 78 exonerated humans altogether and the final 40 were unsure. this meant 32.6% of the scientists held humans to

blame only when the decision was taken to discard simply to chuck in the bin. the nearly 8000 papers with no position whatsoever was 32.6. magically transformed into 97. what a scam. seo to a trace gas in our atmosphere. nought point. nought 4% of the whole is demonised as a world killing toxin . the a world killing toxin. the increase attributed to our species is 4% of that 0.04. but a rising volume of co2 in the atmosphere is a consequence of a warming planet, not the cause of one. you might as well watch a horse drawn cart and conclude it's the cart pushing the horse and notice too, that co2 by boosting plant growth, turns the planet fertile green. not angry red . here's the thing i say red. here's the thing i say again when the only tool you have is a hammer, you treat everything as a nail. the science says the conversation's closed. they pound away with the

hammer such a clumsy, inappropriate implement. fewer and fewer blows are hitting home. it's long past time to get the hammers out of their hands and back in the box with all the other tools . other tools. i'm joined tonight by futurist and lawyer and contemplative friend of the show, andrew eborn . andrew, what is your take on the climate crisis? >> i think ain't that the truth? i think all the points that you made in your speech are very, very valid. it was edward bernays, the father of pr, who said that best way to sell said that the best way to sell anything fear. and anything is through fear. and boy living in a boy, have we been living in a whole era of fear. we live in a diseased information age, don't we? and think you say the we? and i think you say the signs put the word the in front of and it does it shuts off of it, and it does it shuts off the your point the conversation. your point about maps, it becomes about weather maps, it becomes scarier scarier, haven't scarier and scarier, haven't they? pizza. it is

they? you call it a pizza. it is effectively a of pizza. effectively a sort of pizza. >> that the numbers >> on that basis, the numbers haven't so all they can haven't changed. so all they can do colour differently. do is colour them differently. >> trouble is. well, >> but the trouble is. well, though, ian, is that i'm sorry, neil, is that everybody's become an so what's an expert. and so what's happened pandemic, happened is that in a pandemic, everybody becomes virologist happened is that in a pandemic, everylbecomeomes virologist happened is that in a pandemic, everylbecome scientists'ologist happened is that in a pandemic, everylbecome scientists orygist or we become scientists or constitution . we about all constitution. we talk about all that side and we're that sort of side and we're drowning in a sea of information , most is false. and , most of which is false. and what we should is look at the what we should do is look at the facts, try and get different sources, make sure they're verified verified, verified and peer verified, and come an informed decision. come to an informed decision. and what love your show, and what i love about your show, we've both sides we've got both sides of the equafion we've got both sides of the equation haven't we? yeah equation today, haven't we? yeah l, equation today, haven't we? yeah i, genuinely mystified i, i am genuinely mystified about the whole net zero. >> yes. you know , zero carbon >> yes. you know, zero carbon because this is a carbon based planet . and we and the rest of planet. and we and the rest of life is carbon based. so what is actually meant by zero carbon and it's bizarre as marketing speak, isn't it? >> it's a little mission. it's incredibly expensive. and you have to work out how effective it is. people say that smoking accentuates the risk of lung cancen accentuates the risk of lung cancer. well the question is to

what extent has humanity contributed to these changes in temperature and you're right, you look at history, we've had extremes of temperature and we have the cassandra of climate change. article in change. there is an article in the today with the the times today with the wonderful lucy bannerman, and she was talking about frederica otto. is in all her otto. there she is in all her wonderfulness, and she does otto. there she is in all her wondesortness, and she does otto. there she is in all her wondesort of;s, and she does otto. there she is in all her wondesort of very|d she does otto. there she is in all her wondesort of very fide e does otto. there she is in all her wondesort of very fide sortes otto. there she is in all her wondesort of very fide sort of these sort of very fide sort of tests to say, look, we're 600 times more likely a result of times more likely as a result of human contribution to see these increased temperatures. i'm not a scientist and i, i think most people who comment on these things are not really scientists. what we need to do is get the educated people who understand this space, give the facts and figures, then facts and figures, and then let's to make a reasoned let's try to make a reasoned decision on that. decision based on that. >> this 97% figure that's bandied about, we need it's only legitimate to listen to the other scientists . and they are other scientists. and they are not 3. that's a bogus figure. we need to listen to the scientists, the experts who are saying that there's a different correlation and causation and relationship between co2 and the

temperature of the planet. and our contribution to all of that . and that side of the conversation has been silenced. >> and you're absolutely right. and as soon as you shut down a debate, that's the time to get worried. >> that's the time to get worried . we're on break worried. we're on a break already. coming up after the break, joined the break, i'll be joined by the researcher, commentator and blogger to ask whether researcher, commentator and bloghigh to ask whether researcher, commentator and bloghigh temperaturessk whether researcher, commentator and bloghigh temperatures in whether researcher, commentator and bloghigh temperatures in the ther the high temperatures in the mediterranean at moment are mediterranean at the moment are the result of global warming. don't anywhere

>> you're listening to gb news radio . welcome radio. welcome back. >> thanks for hanging on in there with neil oliver live now among much else, we're discouraged from questioning is the notion that nothing poses more of a threat to life on earth than you, me and the rest of the human race. our dependence oil and gas, we're dependence on oil and gas, we're told, soon make life told, will soon make life unliveable for speaking unliveable for all. speaking only for myself, i'm not convinced, not by a long chalk. and it's subject i'm keen to and it's a subject i'm keen to hear talked about properly .

hear talked about properly. joining me, first of all this evening is researcher commentator and blogger pile commentator and blogger ben pile to contemplate how worried we should be about the weather reports from the med . good reports from the med. good evening, ben. thanks forjoining me. good evening. >> thanks for having me , neil. >> thanks for having me, neil. it's good to be here and meet at last. what do you make of these red and black and purple weather maps that were being shown about popular holiday destinations ? popular holiday destinations? well, i think you and andrew put your finger on it a moment ago. this is marketing, changing the colours and hoping that people are going to buy this more attractive product or this more scary product because now it's got these sort of science fiction picture representations of heat is purples. these blacks, these very, very sort of alarming colours. and this is this is this has been tried many times in different forms. this is this has been tried many times in different forms . we've times in different forms. we've even had , well, climate even had, well, climate marketeers , i suppose you could

marketeers, i suppose you could call them, and people in fact very much associated with the 97% survey that you cited earlier. they were trying to explain in or explain the heat in the atmosphere that had been accumulated, as they claim, as the result of a global warming in terms of nuclear bombs . so in terms of nuclear bombs. so how many more how many nuclear bombs of energy there are in the atmosphere and similarly, a different group of climate activists and climate marketeers have tried to explain the accumulation of heat in the oceans , not in terms of degrees oceans, not in terms of degrees centigrade or fahrenheit, as most people , including most people, including scientists, would have understood . but in terms of the understood. but in terms of the jewels or mega jewels or in astronomical numbers, you know, numbers that would take 20, 24 places to represent. and these are all just different ways to try and make you more scared and so that they feel more confident in having conveyed their emotions to you. but under neath

it all these colours don't aren't aren't science and in fact the figures underpinning underlying the new colours aren't particularly scientific ehhen aren't particularly scientific either. so whatever the temperatures are under , temperatures are under, fortunately different agencies have tried to interpret them in different ways recently . so different ways recently. so i think the european space agency unhelpfully intervened by claiming that temperatures in the in southern europe, the mediterranean in southern europe would be in the mid to high 40s and then when everyone looked at the actual the actual data, it turned out they wasn't. but they're these are people whose whose thumbs are if they're not on the on the scale of the of the attempt to acquire this data . they certainly are pushing a bit too hard on on on our our buttons in trying to make us interpret it. >> as you say i'm a right in

thinking. i think it evolved very quickly this week that the frightening figures that were being predicted, you know , the being predicted, you know, the figures in the 40 days it turned out am i right in saying that they were satellite images of temperature of the ground surface ? you know, how hot the surface? you know, how hot the ground was to touch in contrast to what is normally related to weather forecasting and weather reporting, which is the temperature of the air, some feet above the ground. and that was how they were getting figures that normally start with a32 figures that started with a four or well , that seems to be four or well, that seems to be the case. >> it's unfortunately because the they because a lot of the people involved are only very good at generating heat rather than light. no pun intended. it's actually been quite difficult for anyone to make any sense of it at all because that clearly is the case that people have been using either not novel ways of communicating , seeing ways of communicating, seeing these figures or indeed using these figures or indeed using the ground temperatures , as you the ground temperatures, as you say, rather than the 1.5m

weather station , weather station weather station, weather station data and an and it's all it's to all all adds to the confusion . all all adds to the confusion. so it's nobody nobody yet really knows what the actual temperatures were whether they're can be any any inference here made about global warming or climate change. bear with me and what we should really do about it because bear with me, ben. >> bear with me, ben. andrew eborn, how do you react to that? you know, this idea that we're you know, it feels, again, like we're being nudged, nudged to think something in think something that's in somebody that's somebody else's interests that's not case with not necessarily the case with all things . all these things. >> you have to ask why we're being told who's telling us being told it, who's telling us and benefits do they have and what benefits do they have as doing it? it was as a result of doing it? it was abraham lincoln said, if you abraham lincoln who said, if you say a calf, you say basically a calf, if you count tail, many legs count the tail, how many legs does calf have? the answer is does a calf have? the answer is still four. it's not five if you count the tail as a leg, tell a lie often enough. it becomes the truth. we need find out

truth. what we need to find out and this is why i say get the scientists together to what extent any of this manmade? extent is any of this manmade? because not, there's because if it's not, there's certainly other and we certainly other causes. and we look history, those look throughout history, those are can are the causes. and maybe i can ask exactly that question. ask ben exactly that question. do man contributed do you think man has contributed at all to this side ? at all to this side? >> there you go. ben, what do you say? >> , probably that that >> well, probably that that seems to be there's good scientific argument, arguments and good scientific evidence that c02 and good scientific evidence that co2 is a greenhouse gas and that co2 is a greenhouse gas and that this will warm the atmosphere and that warmer atmosphere and that warmer atmosphere may may produce somewhat different climate. what i disagree with what i think is important is how that climate change or how that global warming turns into the climate crisis. as we've been told, we've been warned, is happening and is going to get worse because there's no evidence of that. there might be evidence of a slightly warmer atmosphere for and i stress it's slightly warmer . and there might be there

warmer. and there might be there might be slightly different climate patterns, but we're not seeing a massive as as as neil's monologue really well demonstrated. we're not seeing a huge increase of catastrophic events of extreme weather. and in fact, what we do see is a massively reduced impact of weather of all kinds, including extreme weather on on us. so climate impacts over the last century have diminished completely. so in the heat wave, for example , in london in 1911, for example, in london in 1911, there were more than a thousand deaths, mostly as a consequence in fact, of spoilt food which children ate. and then they sadly died of diarrhoea because of the food poisoning . so. so of the food poisoning. so. so climate. climate interacts with the way we live our lives in very many different ways. and refrigerator an was an innovation that dramatically changed that. so we were much better able to survive heatwaves by storing food better or

chilling the air for more vulnerable people . heatwaves vulnerable people. heatwaves really did used to be a problem . so i'm not it does sound to me, though as though ben, we would be relinquishing what control we have over our own well—being by surrendering fossil fuels at this moment. >> ben, i've run of >> but, ben, i've run out of time. you so much for your time. thank you so much for your contribution so far this evening. conversation contribution so far this eve like |. conversation contribution so far this evelike|. pick conversation contribution so far this evelike|. pick up conversation contribution so far this evelike|. pick up with versation contribution so far this evelike|. pick up with you ation i'd like to pick up with you again in the and months again in the weeks and months ahead. another break is here. coming afterwards, we'll be coming up afterwards, we'll be joined by environmental campaigner mccarthy , campaigner donnacha mccarthy, who says, the contrary, the who says, on the contrary, the world is on fire and we should really be incredibly concerned about climate change. all of that coming up. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar. proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> good evening. my name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast brought to you by the met office . so it's been quite a dull and gloomy start to the weekend . gloomy start to the weekend. things do look a little bit

brighter some on sunday, but brighter for some on sunday, but all unsettled weather is all this unsettled weather is due to this area of low pressure moving eastwards the uk moving eastwards across the uk throughout this weekend. now looking at the detail for tonight's weather and across much of scotland, it will be dry with some clearer spells . so with some clearer spells. so a cool night to come here, but elsewhere, plenty of cloud around and some strong winds to do, especially for english channel coasts , where we could channel coasts, where we could see local coastal gales. so temperatures for many tonight not dropping out of the teens . not dropping out of the teens. so another dull and cloudy start to sunday morning for much of england, wales and northern ireland with heavy rain across northern england and into northern england and into northern parts of wales, that could bring some localised disruption either side of this, some brighter spells and the odd shower to but temperatures faring a little bit better tomorrow compared to today with highs of 23 in the south—east but now looking into the new week and that band of rain from tomorrow will continue to sink its way southwards but cooler,

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radio. >> welcome back to neil oliver live few subjects inflame emotions like climate change, battle lines are drawn and neither side seems willing to give an inch. joining me now to contemplate how close we are to the end of life on earth is environmental campaigner donna mccarthy. donna thank you for joining us. thank you. it's a it's a difficult one, isn't it? do you take the position that

there's no more debate worth having? that it's a settled deal ? >> nobody says there's 7 >> nobody says there's no more debate worth having. what we are saying is that the vast majority of scientific bodies in the world agree with the current science science as you know, i've a background in science never says anything . it's 100% never says anything. it's 100% certain. however the current scientists believe it's above 95% certain, 80 that the burning of fossil fuels is contributing to global to the global breakdown that's now happening around the world. as we've seen in the last few weeks, something as a non scientist that perplexes me is the is the idea of net zero as though there were working towards having no carbon dioxide, presumably that can't be the objective because without c02 be the objective because without co2 there's no plant life and thereby no life . sure, as a non thereby no life. sure, as a non scientist, you have absolutely misunderstood that the idea of if we eliminate the carbon from the atmosphere, we would die . the atmosphere, we would die. there would be no there would be no life on earth. what we are

saying is that if we actually throw out a million years worth of carbon every burning of carbon every year by burning fossil fuels and we keep doing that, that million years of worth of carbon added to the planet cause the planet to planet will cause the planet to heat. it was actually discovered by a scientist called john tyndall not far from here in southwark in the 1850s. doing science. found certain gases science. he found certain gases have a tendency to trap heat . so have a tendency to trap heat. so therefore and carbon dioxide is one of those. and because we are emitting so much extra carbon in the atmosphere , it's causing the atmosphere, it's causing this disaster that's now unfolding. >> i read over and over again that c02 >> i read over and over again that co2 lags behind a warming planet by i keep on seeing 800 years that the planet warms and then more co2 is released so that it's not the co2 that's warming the planet, but that the planet is becoming warmer for some other reason , and that some other reason, and that releases off gases, more co2 . is

releases off gases, more co2. is that wrong? >> that's a theory . but the >> that's a theory. but the facts are, john tyndall discovered that if you add carbon dioxide, it traps heat . carbon dioxide, it traps heat. it's a basic it's a basic physical fact, although the planet might be warmer anyway. >> and making there would be there are other reasons and there are other reasons and there always have been reasons. >> the planet will always get warmer and colder. there are hot penods warmer and colder. there are hot periods and cold periods. however, science is very however, the science is very clear traps heat and clear. this gas traps heat and so therefore it is very it's almost primary school maths. if you add a gas that traps heat in massive amounts of the atmosphere, it causes consequences, which you're now seeing unfolding water vapour traps , heat all water vapour traps, heat all water vapour traps, heat all water vapour traps , heat also. traps, heat also. >> and there's much more. we produce much more in the way of water but nobody's water vapour, but nobody's demonising water. >> many global warming >> there are many global warming gases. >> there are many global warming gases . they vary from carbon gases. they vary from carbon dioxide , hydrocarbons, water dioxide, hydrocarbons, water vapour, dioxide, hydrocarbons, water vapour , etcetera. all of them vapour, etcetera. all of them trap carbon to a certain extent, however. so for example, carbon

dioxide is around rate of 25. methane is 100 times more powerful . chlorocarbons are powerful. chlorocarbons are thousands of times more powerful. however the biggest amount of additional gases causing climate change are actually carbon dioxide . actually carbon dioxide. >> how much carbon dioxide do you want to see as a proportion of the atmosphere? i think at the moment it's around the 400 mark, which is amongst the lowest levels it's been at in the last 50 million years. where should it be for what you would regard as optimum life survival on earth? >> the carbon dioxide currently is at 800,000 year high. what we need to see it is actually roughly in the middle of the last of the 19 century, which is 3.3. and sorry , in the 19th 3.3. and sorry, in the 19th century it was 280. they the scientists regard the danger zone is 350. so i'm not proposing we take it back to the 19th century. but if we can take it back to the middle of the 20th century at 350, we might

avoid the danger. >> andrew, how do you how do you. >> well, what i love about this debate, what i love about this debate, what i love about this debate, is we're going to shine more heat. it was more light, less heat. it was interesting to ben interesting talking to ben earlier, i asked the earlier, and i asked him the question what has question to what extent has humanity contributed? because that's it? that's the question, isn't it? he that there has been he did agree that there has been some the some sort of contribution. the question quantum. so when question is quantum. so when you quote 800,000 years, quote about 800,000 years, i would of all say, how do would first of all say, how do we know that? because i'm not a scientist, as we admit at the very beginning, what we need to do is out where's the do is work out where's the common ground? >> that's easy. the >> well, that's very easy. the science, you want to know science, if you want to know where the science came from, is actually scientists went to the to arctic, which there to the arctic, which were there thousands and thousands of years of you drill of ice records. and you drill down and you pull it down two miles and you pull it up you look the amount of up and you look at the amount of c02 at up and you look at the amount of co2 at every metre. and that's how they're able to the how they're able to tell the history this planet. history of co2 on this planet. so what do you say? history of co2 on this planet. so what do you say? history of co2 on this planet. so what do yousay? history of co2 on this planet. so what do you say to people who >> what do you say to people who say, look, hang about throughout history, the planet's been warmed and so forth? warmed and so on and so forth? neil in his monologue at the beginning, you to beginning, what do you say to them? true. beginning, what do you say to the the true.

beginning, what do you say to the the planet. beginning, what do you say to the the planet has heated >> the planet has heated and cooled, what haven't done cooled, but what we haven't done is we've actually, as humans, thrown equivalent thrown the equivalent of a million years carbon million years of stored carbon every year the atmosphere. so every year in the atmosphere. so we very, fast changing we are very, very fast changing the chemical composition of the atmosphere and the chemical atmosphere and the chemical atmosphere of the chemical composition atmosphere composition of the atmosphere has always changed. but the consequences are terrifying. they happen over millions of years. we are is over decades. >> so your common ground is that humanity has contributed . and is humanity has contributed. and is the disagreement as to the quantum of that contribution ? quantum of that contribution? >> the disagreement is actually is whether or not we take action. okay. and i would argue that's the problem there is, you talked about in your intro about , you know, the debate being shut down. i experience it quite differently . i look at the differently. i look at the british media and i see the telegraph, the mail, the sun, the express, gb news and talktv. almost all fighting climate action and i feel very, very despairing because actually i think the future of this country is at stake. i look at the science and the science predicted that if you add carbon

, gets hotter and if it gets , it gets hotter and if it gets hotter, get consequences such hotter, we get consequences such as does it though? >> i mean, 150 million years ago. so you know, the temperature fell dramatically on the planet at the same time that levels of co2 spiked dramatically , you know, and so dramatically, you know, and so and during the eocene thermal maximum right. and during the eocene thermal maximum right . when the maximum right. when the temperature was higher than at any time in the last half a billion years, the co2 had been on a downward track at that point for 150 million years. so rising the planet getting warmer and the amount of co2 in the atmosphere doesn't correlate in the way you're saying that the way that you're saying that it necessarily does. >> are other there are >> there are other there are many, many impact on the temperature and on climate. what is irrefutable is basic physics , is that if you if you actually measure the amount of heat coming through a gas, the carbon dioxide traps it. now, then the argument is, should we actually stop burning fossil fuels in my

view, should we take that gamble with future generations? the science will say there's a 1% chance. it will always say there's a 1% chance, 5% chance that the settled science is wrong. always do that. but would you get on a plane that has a 95% chance of crashing? >> it's an interesting point. and what i love about this is that you talk about not having the discussion, the discussion is taking place. a lot of the people too people like people go too far. people like just as you alienate a just stop oil as you alienate a lot a result of the lot of people as a result of the actions they take. whereas if you have a sensible discussion about and say, look, about it and say, look, these are steps need to take are the steps you need to take to make that make sense, what steps take and what steps should we take and what difference actually make? >> well, the just oil has >> well, the what just oil has a very simple demand says very simple demand which says stop in new fossil stop investing in new fossil fuels add to the problem and fuels to add to the problem and invest instead in energy efficiency , in renewables and efficiency, in renewables and storage. i mean, i think you're a futurist. yes absolutely . i a futurist. yes absolutely. i predicted 25 years ago when i installed the first solar panels installed the first solar panels in london into my house, that in

20, 30 years, the role of an energy company would be to manage energy, not produce it. so i've got to a stage where my bills for my house are are —£100 a year. very good . i don't have a year. very good. i don't have a year. very good. i don't have a gas bill. my water bill is £100 and my electricity bill is —250. so for most of the year i've imported nothing morning, noon and night because i've got batteries and solar panels. is that not something we would want for so working class people. >> absolutely very from an >> absolutely very good from an economic view. and economic point of view. and you should should should have basically you should make insulate because make sure you insulate because that will work on that basis well before before i lose well before we go, before i lose you of time, about you because of time, what about the that, you know, the argument that, you know, james he gaia james lovelock, he of the gaia argument , james lovelock, he of the gaia argument, you james lovelock, he of the gaia argument , you know, he has argument, you know, he has recanted to some extent and now speculates or at least allows for the possibility that we might the saviours of the might be the saviours of the planet releasing more co2, planet by releasing more co2, that that what we what we are that we that what we what we are actually what we should doing actually what we should be doing is increasing actively is actually increasing actively the amount of co2 in the atmosphere because of the greening that it would enable

gaia or the planet to perform . gaia or the planet to perform. >> hmm. i don't know. that would be a more robust, more fertile planet would be good for all of us. >> us. >> i don't know where you got that from. james lovelock. james lovelock, bless him, has died. he's departed. the quote i he's departed. but the quote i actually quote today from actually read a quote today from james lovelock, was james lovelock, and it was actually other extreme that actually the other extreme that he that in his view, he was saying that in his view, that we potentially past the that we are potentially past the safe that we are verse . safe zone that we are in verse. and we're so and so therefore, we're so therefore, we're we are on on that balance, whether or not we have a chance of surviving. now, if i'm correct, that 95% of science saying that i am correct is true, surely the patriotic thing to do is to take action and actually invest in a renewable low energy economy that actually people can have warm homes and low bills and we save the planet, have to leave that conversation there simply because we've run of time. because we've run out of time. >> thank you for that. donal >> but thank you for that. donal mccarthy. we're on another break. unfortunately, after which, fossil hunters and which, it's fossil hunters and a 450,000 year old mammoth tusk in cambridgeshire . stay with .

us on mark dolan tonight in my big opinion, apocalyptic weather forecast , it's fanned the opinion, apocalyptic weather forecast, it's fanned the flames of climate history idea. >> how ironic that brits have had the coldest july in living memory in my take at ten. harry and meghan are rumoured to be on the brink of divorce. i don't want marriage end, want to see any marriage end, but they were split, we but if they were to split, we should home. plus, should welcome him home. plus, i'll meeting the author and i'll be meeting the author and close friend of america's most influential broadcaster, tucker carlson. live from . nine carlson. we're live from. nine >> there you are. thanks for staying with me. welcome back to neil oliver live fossil hunters made a mammoth discovery in cambridgeshire last week , cambridgeshire last week, unearthing an enormous 450,000 year old tusk . it was in unearthing an enormous 450,000 year old tusk. it was in a gravel quarry whence many of these discoveries come, as it turns out. and a pair of history

lovers came across the remains of an ancient giant just under the surface of the sand, a well preserved relic four feet in length that may have belonged to a steppe mammoth during the ice age, or some part thereof . a steppe mammoth during the ice age, or some part thereof. i'm joined now by jamie jordan and sarah muir, the founders and curators of fossils galore. hello, both. i love a story like this . where's the rest of the this. where's the rest of the mammoth ? i know. mammoth? i know. >> yeah , it's turning up in bits. >> we keep coming across odd bones here and there. so foot bones, rib bones , eyes, bones, rib bones, eyes, vertebra. so it's not a shed tusk, as it were . tusk, as it were. >> it it's there because the mammoth came to the end of its natural life at that place and time . time. >> yes, i definitely say so. we've had bits of skull material, so it seems it's one mammoth there at the moment. and yeah, it comes to its demise in that area.

>> what was britain like when this giant elephant relative walked the earth? so it was it was quite warm and it was just starting to go into the cold penods starting to go into the cold periods just before it started, the ice age. >> and then it suddenly got very, very cold and then pretty much soon after, it's quite a short ice age for this one. the ice sheets started to melt and we had surges of ice age gravels and that of rocks which were pred and that of rocks which were ripped up during the glaciers ripping across the country , ripping across the country, being deposited very, very rapidly . rapidly. >> tell me or what an image that is. but tell me how it feels to you to be in the presence, the physical presence of something thatis physical presence of something that is , you know, 450,000 years old. >> it's brilliant. >> it's brilliant. >> so there are quite a marvel to see. i mean, when you look at pictures , you can see we use our pictures, you can see we use our dog as a size image, but it's

actually quite big. and the customers we've had come in and actually see it in our preparation laboratory, they've all said the same thing . it's all said the same thing. it's a it's a lot bigger in person than they it was going to be. yeah. >> andrew andrew eborn was with me in the studio. andrew, how do you react? >> you know, is that to >> you know, is that i have to ask, is that crystal? that's your special beagle. >> that is yes, that's crystal. >> that is yes, that's crystal. >> because crystal normally goes on find on the hunt with you to find these fossils. what i love about it is it it reveals about life at that particular time, because it is it it reveals about life at irat particular time, because it is it it reveals about life at i understand r time, because it is it it reveals about life at i understand it, me, because it is it it reveals about life at i understand it, bearsecause it is it it reveals about life at i understand it, bears and se as i understand it, bears and hons as i understand it, bears and lions and also hippos used to wander around our part of sort of cambridgeshire at that time. isn't that right? >> that's correct. yeah. it was a very interesting environment at the time with big animals roaming about. so completely different to what you see today. >> yeah, i also understand that the tusks of the mammoth rather like a tree, you can tell about the environment and if the particular rings are very tightly got a bad tightly done, they've got a bad habitat. if they're nice and habitat. but if they're nice and thick, rings, then they were thick, the rings, then they were

living well. so i'm an living very well. so i'm an expert on these things. >> yeah , that's it. expert on these things. >> yeah , that's it . and >> yeah, yeah, that's it. and you can also something that i'm very interested in as well. you can actually see how the mammoth lived through marks on the outside of the tusk. so whether it was preyed upon or not was it and was it living well, you know, was this a healthy, happy mammoth? so far from what we can see, it's really hard to see at the moment. but we've seen that there's quite thick rings in there's quite thick rings in the ofits there's quite thick rings in the of its life. between the middle of its life. as such . but it's something that as such. but it's something that we're looking to research a bit more as we go in after the preservation has finished . preservation has finished. >> is it valuable? i mean, you know, obviously it's ivory. is it hypothetically is it valuable ? in fact, i'm going to have to cut you there. i'm going to have to wait for the answer because i'm running out of time. thank you both. thank you for being with me this evening. we'll be back the same time next week.

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