need to accept. >> we need migration. >> we need migration. >> leo kearse what are you talking about today? >> i'm going to be talking about sadiq khan's mate campaign that is attempting to stop misogyny and why he's a total hypocrite . and why he's a total hypocrite. >> it's 8:00 pm and this is the >> it's 8:00pm and this is the . saturday five. welcome to the saturday five. it's darren's birthday today. happy 40th darren and emily and benjamin have also taken the week off in solidarity. so i'm joined by brilliant broadcaster and podcaster matthew stadlen, fearless political commentator , fearless political commentator, writer and social commentator . writer and social commentator. lin mei, research fellow at the bow group, and gb news favourite benjamin loughnane and comedian and hit late night paper review show leo kearse the premise of

the show is simple each host gets around 60s to outline their argument about a chosen topic. then we all pile in and it gets uguer then we all pile in and it gets uglier than a tory vote count in selby . and of course we want to selby. and of course we want to know your views, so please do get in touch by emailing gb views views at gbnews.com but before we start tearing each other apart, it's your saturday night news with rory smith . night news with rory smith. >> thank you very much , sir. >> thank you very much, sir. keir starmer has held talks with london's mayor sadiq khan after he blamed the expansion of ulez for labour's by—election loss in uxbndge for labour's by—election loss in uxbridge and south ruislip . uxbridge and south ruislip. protesters gathered outside the bbc in london today , with many bbc in london today, with many expressing anger at the mayor's plans to expand the ultra low emissions zone . the labour emissions zone. the labour leader says that while his party is reflecting on the reasons for the byelection loss, they must show historic levels of effort,

discipline and focus. show historic levels of effort, discipline and focus . more discipline and focus. more children will be allowed to use electronic passport gates as at airports from monday, the age of those permitted to use the e—gates will be lowered from 12 to 10. the change comes following successful trials at three of london's major airports . well, it comes as the sec is warning of a busy weekend on the roads with 2.5 million trips expected to be made tomorrow. it comes as passengers are facing a one hour delay at border checks at the port of dover. enhanced post—brexit passport checks by french border officials have increased processing times and families going on european beach holidays are being hit by higher pnces holidays are being hit by higher prices compared with last summer due to inflation. foreign new figures in the post office show the cost of meals drinks and beach items have risen year on year. beach items have risen year on year . puglia beach items have risen year on year. puglia and italy was the

only location where prices for uk visitors have dropped the highest annual increases are in bulgaria , turkey and madeira . bulgaria, turkey and madeira. tom jones has criticised the decision to prevent choirs from singing one of his classic songs at rugby matches . five. i'm five at rugby matches. five. i'm five til i love . delilah was first til i love. delilah was first cut from choir playlists in 2015 before being officially removed this year due to concerns over its references to the murder of a woman played to a crowd last night. sir tom said that while the choir has stopped singing the choir has stopped singing the song, the crowd couldn't be stopped and he will keep singing it as well . england have won it as well. england have won their first women's world cup match with a 1—0 victory over haiti in brisbane. it took 29 minutes for georgia stanway to push the lionesses into the lead with a retaken penalty . they've

with a retaken penalty. they've lost just once in 33 games under their new current manager and will take on denmark in their second group match next week . second group match next week. best of luck to them . tv online best of luck to them. tv online dab+ radio and on tunein. this is gb news. now though, back to the . the. saturday five. >> it's saturday night and you're with the saturday five. i'm albie amankona and i can promise you i'm in for a very lively hour. so let's crack on with tonight's first debate. up first, it's benjamin and he's going to tell us about why he thinks we should abolish the office of the mayor of london. take it away, benjamin . we've take it away, benjamin. we've had a mayor of london for about 25 years now, just under 25 years. >> and i'm ready now to declare it a failed experiment . i think it a failed experiment. i think the of london, as an the mayor of london, as an office has become a point of

discord with the government. when you have a who's not when you have a mayor who's not from same party as the from the same party as the government, it ends up in warring between the warring fighting between the government, the two sides pushing against each other, and it becomes performative. it becomes woke virtue signalling , becomes woke virtue signalling, as we've from sadiq khan as we've seen from sadiq khan with aslef to mention with aslef is going to mention later the mate campaign. you know , stop misogyny by just know, stop misogyny by just saying, mate . i mean, what is he saying, mate. i mean, what is he doing? whilst you've got the trains on strike? he's trains out on strike? he's putting the putting up billboards in the middle of london telling people to just, you know, mind your microaggressions a little bit. it's absolutely ridiculous. we've mayor of london we've had a lord mayor of london for a thousand and for nearly a thousand years, and that's pretty well. that's worked pretty well. i think better under that's worked pretty well. i thinithan better under that's worked pretty well. i thinithan it better under that's worked pretty well. i thinithan it is better under that's worked pretty well. i thinithan it is undertter under that's worked pretty well. i thinithan it is under the under that's worked pretty well. i thinithan it is under the likes' that than it is under the likes of sadiq khan. so i'm proposing very simply, we just scrap the whole thing altogether, go back to government as we had to local government as we had before , and with it i >> benjamin that's a very interesting view. would you have the same point of view if there was a conservative mayor as the mayor of london? well, i think even when you had ken livingstone in power, labour

were in power and it worked a bit better because you had the government line lockstep with government in line lockstep with with london and as the capital city it represents the entire country. >> and i think when you've got london odds with rest of london at odds with the rest of the longer the country, no longer representing nation properly representing the nation properly , real problem. , that becomes a real problem. it sticking point. it becomes a sticking point. >> stadlen, i feel you >> matt stadlen, i feel like you might benjamin might disagree with benjamin luckman . luckman. >> disagree strongly >> i actually disagree strongly with you. i'm just not something that i'd given much to that i'd given much thought to previously . in fact, the first previously. in fact, the first time i've considered it, the idea of abolishing the mayoralty is you've come out with it. is when you've come out with it. i you make i think it's i think you make some reasonable points whether i think it's i think you make so not reasonable points whether i think it's i think you make so not reas(like le points whether i think it's i think you make so not reas(like sadiq its whether i think it's i think you make so notreas(like sadiq khan,3ther or not you like sadiq khan, whether or not you like boris johnson before him, think johnson before him, but i think a big metropolis like london, a major capital city, in my view, as a londoner , born and bred, as a londoner, born and bred, the greatest city on the planet probably deserves a democratically elected figurehead . figurehead. >> well, i'd be willing to have a compromise where you say the government appoints from their own for london, own party a mayor for london, rather than having it electorally done so that electorally and done so that there's discord between the there's this discord between the two it just ends in

two parties, it just ends in warring fighting because warring and fighting because you've a capital you've got the head of a capital city the government. city against the government. >> look, think it's to each >> look, i think it's up to each mayor and each government to try to work as constructively as they with each other. and at they can with each other. and at they can with each other. and at the moment, of course, there seems to discord between seems to be discord between the labour mayor of london, sadiq khan and labour leadership khan, and the labour leadership . never mind. that's true. never mind the conservative mind with with the conservative government . but i think the idea government. but i think the idea of a government imposing on a capital city a mayor would be anti—democratic . anti—democratic. >> i think you're both wrong because government actually doesn't work best when the mayor and the national government would be working in lockstep . it would be working in lockstep. it works best when they're at loggerheads . yes. and they can't loggerheads. yes. and they can't agree on anything and they stymie each other's plans and they can't get anything done because they don't because then they don't interfere with people's lives . interfere with people's lives. the best form of government. this why trump was such this is why trump was such a great president, so many great president, because so many of his plans, you know, trump was president, plastic was a great president, plastic president. ideas. i president. he had great ideas. i agree . he didn't actually to agree. he didn't actually get to get to inflict harm on anyone

because because the senate and the house would it would stop stop them. the best government is government. i can't wait is no government. i can't wait for labour to have a minority government. >> something has has the mayor of london, the office of the mayor of london not actually mayor of london has not actually achieved things for achieved some good things for london. closer to london. isn't power closer to people a good thing ? i think so. people a good thing? i think so. >> i think also when boris was mayor, people absolutely loved boris. and like you said , ken boris. and like you said, ken livingston, when he was there, he great i he did some great things. i think ben , if i'm going be think ben, if i'm going to be honest with your issue is honest with you, your issue is more about who it is, as opposed to there being a mayor, because more about who it is, as opposed to the a being a mayor, because more about who it is, as opposed to the a fact; a mayor, because more about who it is, as opposed to the a fact. you viayor, because more about who it is, as opposed to the a fact. you viayor, really;e that's a fact. you sound really your wasn't about it. your argument wasn't about it. it wasn't enough say it wasn't strong enough to say we one. it we shouldn't have one. it was more i like sadiq more about, i don't like sadiq khan and his wokery, but also the have complete the conservatives have complete given london. the conservatives have complete given don't�*ndon. the conservatives have complete given don't think it's >> they don't think it's winnable. can't even select winnable. they can't even select a decent candidate because they've gone well, we're not going anyway. going to win it anyway. so benjamin, conservatives just held uxbridge london, so held uxbridge in london, so exactly how can you say that the conservatives, they've lost the confidence up in london confidence given up in london when they've just retained a seat? saying they've seat? i'm not saying they've given whole.

given up in london as a whole. i mean, terms of the mayor of mean, in terms of the mayor of london, they're trying. london, they're not even trying. they can't they don't try candidate. the is, candidate. but the thing is, uxbndge uxbridge has proven that it is winnable. you know, mayor khan is just can't winnable. you know, mayor khan is a just can't winnable. you know, mayor khan is a candidatecan't winnable. you know, mayor khan is a candidate tor't up pick a good candidate to go up against because they don't against him because they don't think going win. think they're going to win. >> actually that boris >> i think actually that boris johnson exception that johnson was the exception that made all and made the rule. we all know and i was not fan, i'm not a fan of was not a fan, i'm not a fan of bofis was not a fan, i'm not a fan of boris johnson. i sort of boris johnson. and i sort of made very on social made that very clear on social media and tv programs. but one thing is undeniable about thing that is undeniable about that he had an that man is that he had an electoral capacity that far exceeded any of his colleagues. he managed to win a safe labour city in quite spectacular fashion. and i'm not surprised that the tories can't put forward a particularly good candidate because, as you say, they probably don't think they have hope whatsoever. does have any hope whatsoever. does that mean that mayor that mean i think that mayor khan a good mayor? i mean, khan is a good mayor? i mean, the idea of telling people that they each other mate they can't call each other mate seems to be absurd. there are more important be more important things to be focusing quickly focusing on. just quickly jump in what leo said, because you in on what leo said, because you lobbed grenade in and i lobbed that grenade in and i don't how provocative you

don't know how provocative you were to be, but you were meaning to be, but if you don't have government chest open, have open, if you don't have government, still still government, it still it's still intact. chest is still my intact. my chest is still got my pet. don't have pet. if you don't have government get health government, you don't get health care . you don't get. yes, you care. you don't get. yes, you do. police >> you go to a private provider so you can maybe afford a private provider, millions private provider, but millions and millions and millions of people fellow citizens people of our fellow citizens cannot that, you well cannot afford that, as you well know. think well, come know. i think. well, how come they the nhs ? they can afford the nhs? >> with broader >> because those with broader shoulders contribute sufficiently to mean that those who can't afford the nhs still get treated . get treated. >> so we're going to move on to the next argument, but we're still kind of talking about the mayoralty, aren't we? leo so leo is going to tell us his views on sadiq khan's latest anti misogyny campaign . leo take it misogyny campaign. leo take it away. so sadiq khan has brought out this inter active video that this to combat misogyny and this is terrible as you might imagine. >> we've got a clip of it here. i've reviewed oh, my days is

that a bird running the line ? that a bird running the line? >> so what now? i've got women telling me i'm wrong about football as well. >> so true, bro. >> so true, bro. >> do they know about >> what do they know about a game man? >> what do they know about a gar did nan? >> what do they know about a gar did you >> what do they know about a gardid you not >> what do they know about a gar did you not watch the women's >> did you not watch the women's euros? it's decent. euros? it's pretty decent. pretty it's good. pretty decent. it's pretty good. yeah. a laugh. yeah. for a laugh. >> stuff's joke. mind yeah. for a laugh. >> some uff's joke. mind yeah. for a laugh. >> some of's joke. mind yeah. for a laugh. >> some of them»ke. mind yeah. for a laugh. >> some of them playersd yeah. for a laugh. >> some of them players are you, some of them players are pretty . pretty fit, though. >> so in this video, this guy carries on saying increasingly more misogynist things and you're encouraged to click a button that says, mate, to jump in and stop him before it escalates into a full blown hate crime . if only fred west had crime. if only fred west had seen this video, we might have saved some lives there. i think this video is ridiculous and i can't abide it. no, not because is not because no men talk like that. i mean, no men sit around saying, yeah , did you see saying, oh, yeah, did you see the women's euros? weren't they great? all know the women's great? we all know the women's euros weren't great. women's football is sort of like socialism. it gets praised a lot in but it's in the guardian, but it's terrible actuality . i'm not terrible in actuality. i'm not annoyed because of that. i'm not annoyed because of that. i'm not annoyed because of that. i'm not annoyed because the only bad guy in it the white guy. i mean, in it is the white guy. i mean, it's that's the law in

it's 2023. that's the law in adverts. unless if you're a white guy, you're definitely going to be playing gambling going to be playing a gambling addict alcoholic or some addict or an alcoholic or some kind misogynist. and i feel kind of misogynist. and i feel terrible for all these men coming from afghanistan to london because they're going to be exposed to white british misogyny. awful for them. misogyny. it's awful for them. i'm not i'm not annoyed because it's encouraging to it's encouraging people to police jokes and microaggressions and behaviour like this, this horrible nudge unit controls every aspect unit that controls every aspect of lives but doesn't have of our lives but doesn't have any actual meaningful reality in terms of reducing real misogyny and violence against women. i'm annoyed because khan is a total hypocrite . he's spoken at events hypocrite. he's spoken at events that required women to use a different door to men. he's spoken at events that have platformed islamic extreme ists who aren't known for their lack of misogyny when their stoning women to death . sadiq khan's women to death. sadiq khan's party has held, has held events where men and women have been segregated , sitting on separate segregated, sitting on separate sides of the room. and let's not forget it was the labour

establishment who looked the other way when the grooming gang scandal was going on. so, sadiq khan, you're a total hypocrite and mate , you need to look in and mate, you need to look in the mirror and sort yourself out. >> can i? this is this is getting me going. right? so first of all, i don't know whether we're supposed to be calling each other mate or not. mate, i said earlier that i thought mayor khan was thought that mayor khan was saying that we shouldn't be, but i know. we should i don't know. maybe we should be. i don't know. >> are. be. i don't know. >> you've >> you seen you are. but you've got up something got to follow up with something that nobody would say in real life. >> i think sadiq should >> i think sadiq khan should probably these sorts >> i think sadiq khan should pr> i think sadiq khan should pr> i think sadiq khan should pr> i think sadiq khan should pr> you'll actually watch women's football. i'm impressed you didn't let me finish. >> i don't watch much women's football. busy watching >> i don't watch much women's footba football busy watching >> i don't watch much women's footba football or)usy watching >> i don't watch much women's footba football or watching hing >> i don't watch much women's footba football or watching men's men's football or watching men's cricket. but 9000 people

cricket. yeah, but 9000 people turned up to watch the women win the at wembley last year the euros at wembley last year to win the euros. so hang on, hang on, wembley. i wanted to take take a friend to one of the england women's game. i think it was against usa, one of the was against the usa, one of the best teams in the world. it was a friendly earlier this year. it best teams in the world. it was a friehave earlier this year. it best teams in the world. it was a friehave had er this year. it best teams in the world. it was a friehave had a' this year. it best teams in the world. it was a friehave had a competitive may have had a competitive element 90,000 went. i element. 90,000 people went. i couldn't i can get couldn't get a ticket, i can get a every men's a ticket to every england men's game. non—competitive game at wembley. football is wembley. women's football is taking i'll tell you taking off. and i'll tell you why important. quickly why it's important. just quickly tell it's important why it's important. just quickly tell it it's important why it's important. just quickly tell it does; important why it's important. just quickly tell it does matter.ant why it's important. just quickly tell it does matter. itt why it's important. just quickly tell it does matter. it means because it does matter. it means that lucky enough to have that if i'm lucky enough to have a a a parent moving a goal as a as a parent moving forward, i've got she will be able england at able to represent england at football or have a jolly good go at it, whereas when i was growing up, the girls that i grew up with, didn't dream grew up with, they didn't dream like wasn't possible. >> slightly deviating from the main point. lynn i'm interested in your opinion because of course you are the woman on the panel course you are the woman on the panel. do these campaigns such as the mate campaign , do they as the mate campaign, do they make you feel safer on the streets? >> i didn't even understand it

when we were talking about it. i was like, what are you saying, mate? or like, is mate? or may or like, what is how does make me feel safe. how does that make me feel safe. but issue me is but the bigger issue for me is and i know some may agree or disagree, but issue is we disagree, but my issue is we don't ever question women. me being a woman when we say about men, oh, he's useless at the laundry or he's just, you know, he's being a typical bloke. isn't that misandry that never he's being a typical bloke. isn't brought;andry that never he's being a typical bloke. isn't brought updry that never he's being a typical bloke. isn't brought up ?y that never he's being a typical bloke. isn't brought up ? and|t never he's being a typical bloke. isn't brought up ? and we ever he's being a typical bloke. isn't brought up ? and we are gets brought up? and we are hugely as women when we get together. we're so critical of you think you're you guys. we think you're idiots. sometimes is anyone going a campaign that going to do a campaign for that ? for the promotion ? so i'm all for the promotion of a level of a level playing field women. we're field for women. but we're getting to a place now where we're actually putting down men consistently to make us feel that we're being uplifted . and that we're being uplifted. and to just anti to me, that's just anti progression. yeah. >> and it's driving young men are being driven into the arms of andrew tate and people are creating incels who stand up for them and say, no, you do have value, you should have self—confidence. you know, you go whatever. go girl or whatever. >> equivalent is >> the male equivalent is violence and girls violence against women and girls is issue. benjamin is a big issue. benjamin loughnane a place for

loughnane is there a place for these campaigns in public life? >> not this campaign, because it's massively backfired, because you say mate, because now if you say mate, it's going to sound ironic , like it's going to sound ironic, like you're having a laugh you're actually having a laugh at campaign because it's at the campaign because it's become a you the become a meme. you know, the mate thing massively. and become a meme. you know, the matemuch| massively. and become a meme. you know, the matemuch| m did vely. and become a meme. you know, the matemuch| m did they and become a meme. you know, the matemuch| m did they spend on how much money did they spend on this? adverts this? they've got huge adverts up that up in piccadilly circus that just say mate three a's. i just say mate with three a's. i mean, is that a good use of taxpayer london when taxpayer money in london when you've like you've got stuff like tfl crumbling , you can't get a crumbling, you can't get a train. what would you do as a he should do job well. he needs should do his job well. he needs to his job. he doesn't need to do his job. he doesn't need to do his job. he doesn't need to deal with this. this is. no, i but going going back what >> but going going back to what albie a real albie said, it's still a real thing in terms of issues that women face. so if you were given the a marketing the budget to do a marketing campaign, your campaign, what would your marketing campaign look like? >> think a marketing >> i don't think a marketing campaign would solve issue. campaign would solve the issue. you with you need to actually deal with the terms real the issue in real terms in real communities, not just put together armed women. >> women had guns, >> four women had guns, legalised sorted, stuck. legalised guns sorted, stuck. >> you say >> i mean, i'll stop you say what no. the idea of what you want. no. the idea of arming with oh, you arming women with guns. oh, you think handle guns? think women can't handle guns? no. can handle a gun. no. anyone can handle a gun. >> but maybe have a gun. >> but maybe you have a gun.

>> but maybe you have a gun. >> to going made. >> you're to going made. >> you're to going made. >> doesn't. >> it doesn't. >> it doesn't. >> it doesn't strikes me into the mix. >> it doesn't strike me. >> it doesn't strike me. >> leo, a particularly >> leo, as a particularly british thing to be arming people he's joking. british thing to be arming peo he's he's joking. british thing to be arming peo he's very he's joking. british thing to be arming peo he's very british. 's joking. british thing to be arming peo heit?very british. 's joking. british thing to be arming peo heit? but british. 's joking. british thing to be arming peo heit? but matt;h. 's joking. british thing to be arming peo heit? but matt sadlon,ing. british thing to be arming peo heit? but matt sadlon, i'm >> is it? but matt sadlon, i'm assuming you voted sadiq assuming you voted for sadiq khan at the last mayoral election. perhaps you'll vote for him again next year. but do you like these kinds of policies ? >> 7. >>i 7- >> i just as 7— >> i just as i've ? >> i just as i've said 7 >> i just as i've said already , >> i just as i've said already, i think this is micromanaging on the part of the london mayor and he should stay out of it . my he should stay out of it. my only dealing with sadiq khan was playing cricket against for only dealing with sadiq khan was plajpress,icket against for only dealing with sadiq khan was plajpress, foret against for only dealing with sadiq khan was plajpress, for the|ainst for only dealing with sadiq khan was plajpress, for the politiciansfor only dealing with sadiq khan was plajpress, for the politicians , r the press, for the politicians, and him back over his head and i hit him back over his head either for a 4 or 6, i can never remember just point, remember just on your point, which i was an interesting which i think was an interesting and important course, and important one. of course, none us well, certainly none of us well, i'm certainly not misandry . okay. not in favour of misandry. okay. and sure that women talk not in favour of misandry. okay. and badly re that women talk not in favour of misandry. okay. and badly re thatmen1en talk not in favour of misandry. okay. and badly re thatmen and talk not in favour of misandry. okay. and badly re thatmen and thatalk very badly about men and that and talking badly and that women talking badly about doesn't promote women. about men doesn't promote women. it down. so i agree about men doesn't promote women. it you down. so i agree about men doesn't promote women. it you on down. so i agree about men doesn't promote women. it you on that./n. so i agree about men doesn't promote women. it you on that. there i agree about men doesn't promote women. it you on that. there probably with you on that. there probably has have some sort of has had to have some sort of rebadged thing, though, between the sexes the genders, between the sexes in recent years we have in recent years because we have lived in society historic

lived in a society historic hinckley where men have had the upper hand . upper hand. >> no, i don't agree with that because that's saying it's because that's like saying it's okay to be okay for black people to be racist, the racist, to recalibrate the situation racism .and racist, to recalibrate the situation racism . and don't situation of racism. and i don't agree that. the same agree with that. it's the same logic. same logic of if logic. it's the same logic of if you know, if someone hits you thump back because violence you know, if someone hits you th the» back because violence you know, if someone hits you th the answer, ack because violence you know, if someone hits you th the answer, because use violence you know, if someone hits you th the answer, because use vdid nce that. >> i'm not saying no, no, no. just to be very clear, because people understand what people need to understand what i'm i'm not i'm saying here. i'm not condoning misandry as a rebalancing . what i'm saying is rebalancing. what i'm saying is that and i don't think this advert has struck the right tone and don't think sadiq and i don't think it's sadiq khan's i do think khan's place. but i do think that campaign is against violence women for violence towards women for example, been necessary and example, have been necessary and i'd absolutely back those . i'd absolutely back those. >> i do agree to a certain i'm not anti the campaign it's the it's a crap campaign. not anti the campaign it's the it's a crap campaign . but the it's a crap campaign. but the issue is campaign is unfortunately if they're done properly, it becomes how are the issues that we're facing that we heard in that advert? those are the norm. derogatory conversations around women. but then i'm then at the same time, i'm light—hearted in the light—hearted if it's in the comfort of people's own home, why can't you say, you know, oh

god, his opinion is women's god, if his opinion is women's football is crap, then thinks god, if his opinion is women's footnothingzrap, then thinks god, if his opinion is women's footnothingzrap, thwith thinks god, if his opinion is women's footnothingzrap, thwith that. ks it's nothing wrong with that. i might with that. might disagree with that. i disagreed with what you said. might disagree with that. i disatheed with what you said. might disagree with that. i disathe point] what you said. might disagree with that. i disathe point is,hat you said. might disagree with that. i disathe point is, why'ou said. might disagree with that. i disathe point is, why shouldi. might disagree with that. i disathe point is, why should we but the point is, why should we prevent from saying that but the point is, why should we preveigetting from saying that but the point is, why should we preveigetting arom saying that but the point is, why should we preveigetting arom s.where hat we're getting to a place where we're getting to a place where we say anything? yeah we cannot say anything? yeah it's every place. >> but may when it comes to >> but lynn may when it comes to violence against women and girls and we look the levels of and we look at the levels of crime london at the moment. crime in london at the moment. yeah. as do you feel yeah. as a woman, do you feel safe on the streets of london and do campaigns like this make you feel like sadiq khan's not doing anything? no, that one didn't. >> and do i feel safe? i grew up in tottenham, so, you know, i think i can challenge quite a lot of issues that london may throw at me. but at the same time , that something that time, that is something that i would to see of would like to see more of empowering women to deal with things opposed to us cowering things as opposed to us cowering in corner. the whole point in the corner. the whole point of the initial feminism was to make us feel stronger. tip toeing around on eggshells about, oh, you can't say this is not empowering me as a person. if anything, that's making me seem like a fragile individual. so feel things like that

so i don't feel things like that actually help leo you've got a little girl , i believe. little girl, i believe. >> how do you feel as a parent bringing up a little girl in london about the city that she will be living in? yeah, i mean, we're going to move to australia and honestly, so yeah, i mean, i don't like the way britain is heading, but but we're going to we're going to teach her may as well. >> yeah , things like that. >> yeah, things like that. >> yeah, things like that. >> i would like to see more of initiatives surrounding self—defence or and i know a lot of women are going to disagree with me, but i also think women need to have a level of accountability . so again, accountability. so again, growing up in tottenham , you growing up in tottenham, you just wouldn't go certain places or you wouldn't have your headphones or i would like to or you wouldn't have your hea a»hones or i would like to or you wouldn't have your hea a campaign would like to or you wouldn't have your hea a campaign surround (e to or you wouldn't have your hea a campaign surround ending see a campaign surround ending us being aware of our surroundings because the reality is you're never going to eradicate men who do certain things to women. >> i understand the sentiment of that. and it's sort of superficially, at least and you may be i'm not saying you're wrong , but the problem is it wrong, but the problem is it gets very close to victim

blaming that the problem with violence i don't agree with. >> yeah. okay >> yeah. okay >> the problem with violence against is men. and that's against women is men. and that's it. we have to sort it. and we have to sort ourselves how about ourselves out how we go about doing that is difficult and you're always going get wrong you're always going to get wrong and a national level, and so on. on a national level, i don't think there should be campaigns for women saying don't go because that's a very go there, because that's a very slippery parents slippery road. should parents should, should let me come back to on this and should to matthew on this and should leo, a dad? yeah. teach his leo, as a dad? yeah. teach his daughter common sense. she's careful going out at night. she's obviously. >> what doing, >> but what you're doing, matthew and many people are doing conflating , doing is we're conflating, conflating different issues conflating two different issues here. one, we're talking about violence against women . if you violence against women. if you say, oh, women's football is rubbish or god, this woman can't drive typical woman driver. i don't see that as violence. why are we convoluting the two things i haven't said that was violent. no, no, i'm just. i'm just saying what we're doing. you were talking about. we're mixing two things here, jane. >> you. you women mixing two things here, jane. >> accountability,'ou. you women mixing two things here, jane. >> accountability, and you women mixing two things here, jane. >> accountability, and they/omen take accountability, and they don't areas. don't.

don't go certain areas. i don't. i my city, london, to i don't want my city, london, to be place women are told be a place where women are told they go i want my they can't go there. i want my city in london to be a place where men are told, sort yourself out because otherwise you're but you're going to jail. yeah, but come but that's not come on. no but that's not that's not a reality. >> not the reality. >> that's not the reality. london is always going to have crime. you you crime. it is if you look if you look at, example , you know, look at, for example, you know, we're told to our doors at we're told to lock our doors at night stop burglars. night to stop burglars. >> told to use not park >> you were told to use not park in certain areas because there's car crime . there's people could car crime. there's people could break car . break into the car. >> so tells us to look? come >> so who tells us to look? come on. know it's . campaigns on. do you know it's. campaigns there ? companies we need to have there? companies we need to have campaigns so burglars know they shouldn't walk into our house. what i'm saying. >> what saying, to be >> what i'm saying, just to be crystal you as a dad, crystal clear, you as a dad, i'm. and we met a maternity i'm. and we met in a maternity ward, we, little. so ward, didn't we, my little. so our are similar age. our babies are a similar age. mine a boy. i'm just going to mine is a boy. i'm just going to be probably getting him taught martial as martial arts as well. but you as a i suggest without a dad, i would suggest without wishing to lecture you, i'd say the to myself as father the same to myself as the father of obviously your of obviously you bring your daughter her that daughter up to warn her that you've got to be careful in

certain we at certain situations. should we at a level as commentators a national level as commentators or politicians at a or should politicians at a national level send out the signal that women are not safe in places or shouldn't in certain places or shouldn't go there? no, i think that's the role the the state role of the parent. the state cannot male violence. cannot endorse male violence. yeah but you're not going to have like this deter have a campaign like this deter a murdering rapist from doing what he's going to do. >> it's not realistic. he's not he's not going to look at that and think, oh, i'm going to change my mind raping her change my mind about raping her tonight. know, we're tonight. you know, but we're going these dangerous going to have these dangerous people for us. like i said, people here for us. like i said, if always going to if there's always going to be rapists there's going rapists, there's always going to be saying we be murderers. i'm not saying we should a pass. the should give them a pass. the justice there deal justice system is there to deal with them. saying women as with them. i'm saying women as well. need to be a little well. we need to be a little more careful. i remember said more careful. i remember i said something where, you something on twitter where, you know, you are a young lady know, if you are a young lady and you know that it's a crime riddled why have riddled area, why do you have headphones at midnight going through it's common through the park? it's common sense avoid that . now, why sense to avoid that. now, why should person say to me, should that person say to me, i should that person say to me, i should be able to go at midnight where there's rapists all the time just, know , and no

time and just, you know, and no one affect that is one should affect me? that is ideally it's not reality. we're one should affect me? that is idealljto:'s not reality. we're one should affect me? that is idealljto:'s notup ality. we're one should affect me? that is idealljto:'s notup that we're one should affect me? that is idealljto:'s notup that debate going to wrap up that debate now, still to come, we'll be now, but still to come, we'll be lin mei and she's be lin mei and she's going to be telling why the united telling us why the united kingdom . kingdom needs migrants. >> and i'll be telling her about why cancel culture ruining why cancel culture is ruining comedy . matthew will also be comedy. matthew will also be asking why anyone would vote tory at the next election . when tory at the next election. when you're with the saturday five live on

>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> welcome back to the saturday five. as always , thank you for five. as always, thank you for all of your emails about tonight's topics. jill says that new guy matthew is right out. of course, london needs a mayor. it's the greatest city on the planet and we want someone focussed on the issues which matter to us. but dan says to write benjamin and leo politicians are all clueless the less we have of them, the better. now now it's time for our next debate . up next, it's our next debate. up next, it's lin mei and she's going to be

telling us why the uk needs more migrants . take it away now. migrants. take it away now. >> may i say it is time for us as brexiteers because i know many of you are. some on the panel are as well. for us to admit we need migrants now . i admit we need migrants now. i voted for brexit for the simple fact that i agreed we need to lower migration, especially when the conservative mandate in 2019 stated that that's what they would do. but they have not. now. i was hoping the government post brexit would have initiatives that would inspire people who probably not working young people to really retire on our labour force and get them into jobs where we have shortages . and unfortunately shortages. and unfortunately that has not occurred. 1 in 6 individuals who work for the nhs are non—british nationals. now what would we do without migrants ? so i have to admit we migrants? so i have to admit we need migrants now. it's not something i think we should have to rely on for the simple fact not only because we should utilise our own talent here, but

also because it leads to brain drain in other countries. they need their workers , so no one is need their workers, so no one is at a win at this situation . but at a win at this situation. but here we are. we need migrants. >> lynn, you are probably at odds with most of the british pubuc odds with most of the british public on that opinion. i'm sure many of our viewers will be screaming at the televisions at you, saying that we need more migrants. net migration was, what, migrants. net migration was, what, 600,000 migrants. net migration was, what, 600,000 this year? can you really justify that? we need more migrants than 600,000. >> so here's the thing, and this is what frustrates me when people say we need them to leave. we don't want migrants . leave. we don't want migrants. they confuse the different types of migrants and immigrants i totally support. people say we are fed up of illegal immigration even though there's not enough safe routes. but i agree with that. we should not be people to enter our be allowing people to enter our shores illegally. it sends out the wrong message. however, they are incredibly different to those who actually come here on a five year visa who are actually doing us a favour here

by working in health care or working. we even recently heard on the news that the government now have conceded that they have to relax the visa requirements for the construction industry. i work in the construction industry . i work in the construction industry. i put out to tender on a regular basis requirements for bricklayers , for scaffolders, bricklayers, for scaffolders, for roofers . we just do not have for roofers. we just do not have the people . and like i said, the people. and like i said, i wish as soon as brexit we've known brexit was happening for a long time, i would have thought there was going to be so many pros programs and initiatives and incense stoves our and incense stoves to get our own people into these fields , own people into these fields, but it's not happening. so if we then go with i know ben is desperate to disagree with me. if we just go with what ben is about to say, anti—migration i think that's safe to say. >> what do you think about what lynn's saying? >> it's absolute nonsense what you're i mean, you you're saying. i mean, if you look have mass look at since we have mass immigrations 97, 98 under blair, it's gone up . everything has got it's gone up. everything has got worse. economy's never been worse. the economy's never been worse. the economy's never been worse. is on its. worse. the nhs is on its. >> and that's down to mid beds,

is it? >> no, i'm saying that it hasn't improved the country in a way that saying has. that you're saying it has. >> down to hasn't >> it has not. down to hasn't boosted economy. >> it has not. down to hasn't boowe're economy. >> it has not. down to hasn't boowe're ebetter y. >> it has not. down to hasn't boowe're ebetter than ever. >> we're not better than ever. if we're worse than if anything, we're worse than even if anything, we're worse than ever. it's clearly not the ever. so it's clearly not the panacea problems. panacea to all our problems. just in. just bring more people in. >> i don't want to be rude and i'm to going say something that >> i don't want to be rude and i'm tcomelg say something that >> i don't want to be rude and i'm tcome acrosssomething that >> i don't want to be rude and i'm tcome across asnething that >> i don't want to be rude and i'm tcome across as rude. g that >> i don't want to be rude and i'm tcome across as rude. it'siat may come across as rude. it's not intended to be, that is not intended to be, but that is economically and no, economically illiterate. and no, it's why i'm sorry. >> there's a there's massive >> there's a there's a massive housing crisis. can't get housing crisis. you can't get homes. things? homes. how are things? better. it's course there is pressure >> of course there is pressure on housing and there is pressure on housing and there is pressure on services. but as on our public services. but as lynn articulately lynn is very articulately pointed have a pointed out, we won't have a functioning mean, it's functioning nhs. i mean, it's not well, not functioning very well, but it be functioning even less it will be functioning even less well coming from well without people coming from other very important economics are very important countries, the economics, we are just two points. one is we are an ageing population, right? >> and not just encourage people to children play the to have children that play the media. people aren't having a major of having children major way of having children because afford houses. >> exactly because of migration houses, because we've got unlimited immigration . unlimited immigration. >> gross figures of over a million up the 90s , we million up until the 90s, we were seeing about 50,000 year,

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>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> welcome back to the saturday five. >> welcome back to the saturday five.the >> welcome back to the saturday five. the emails are coming in thick and fast on sadiq khan's mate campaign. thick and fast on sadiq khan's mate campaign . cassie says, mate campaign. cassie says, i love lynn. these campaigns don't help women mind you, my hobby is useless at the laundry. and i promise i don't hate men. now it's promise i don't hate men. now wsfime promise i don't hate men. now it's time for our next debate . it's time for our next debate. up it's time for our next debate. up next. oh, it's my turn . well, up next. oh, it's my turn. well, off i go . so cancel culture is a off i go. so cancel culture is a cancer on society , but nowhere cancer on society, but nowhere is it more obvious than when it comes to comedy. it seems that comedian fans can't tell simple

jokes anymore. you watch comedians nowadays, and none of it is very funny. unless, of course, it's one of our own like leo kearse, because he's not afraid to offend people . but afraid to offend people. but nowadays, the people that are watching comedy are too concerned about being virtue signalling , and they're too signalling, and they're too concerned about what these comedians are saying about things. instead of just instead of just going to the comedy for a good laugh. we need to get back to a point in comedy and also other forms of art where artists are just allowed to be artists are just allowed to be artists , where they don't have artists, where they don't have to too be concerned about offending people. we need comedy to be funny again , and comedy's to be funny again, and comedy's not going to be funny as long as people are concerned about cancel culture. leo you're comedian. >> i am. >> i am. >> you don't strike me as someone that that that is that concerned about cancel culture. but do you feel being cancelled ? >> 7- >> that's ? >> that's why 7 >> that's why i'm ?

>> that's why i'm here. >> that's why i'm here. >> but do you feel as a comedian that your colleagues feel that they are holding back? >> oh, absolutely. >> oh, absolutely. >> i've i was at a comedy club with my mate nico that i do a podcast with , and another podcast with, and another comedian came up to him and said, are you right wing the opfics said, are you right wing the optics twitter are right said, are you right wing the opticzto twitter are right said, are you right wing the opticzto nico twitter are right said, are you right wing the opticzto nico and itter are right said, are you right wing the opticzto nico and he's are right said, are you right wing the opticzto nico and he'sjust'ight said, are you right wing the opticzto nico and he's just you wing to nico and he's just you know, he's got family values. i guess. but yeah, i mean , it's guess. but yeah, i mean, it's ridiculous comedians to be ridiculous for comedians to be worried optics like worried about optics like they're starmer focus they're keir starmer focus grouping an opinion and you're supposed to speak from your heart. personal heart. speak your own personal truth, then , you know, truth, and then, you know, people it leave people can can take it or leave it. people are approaching comedy and coming to comedy clubs faith these comedy and coming to comedy clubs at faith these comedy and coming to comedy clubs at a faith these comedy and coming to comedy clubs at a complaintth these comedy and coming to comedy clubs at a complaint ,1 these comedy and coming to comedy clubs at a complaint, email sent days. at a complaint, email sent into top secret comedy. where i was doing i was doing a show there, my own show there every every month. and somebody wrote in saying, we came to see leo's every month. and somebody wrote in saying, weand1e to see leo's every month. and somebody wrote in saying, weand it to see leo's every month. and somebody wrote in saying, weand it wasae leo's every month. and somebody wrote in saying, weand it was horrific show in june and it was horrific and offensive we and offensive and we were disgusted. came to see disgusted. and we came to see him in october and he was him again in october and he was still offensive. still horrific and offensive. can him can you please stop putting him on? so there's another solution you not be looking at you might not be looking at here. and see here. how about you go and see a comedian like instead comedian you like instead of repeatedly see to

repeatedly coming to see me to get offended matthew stadlen, get offended by matthew stadlen, do feel that as time has do you feel that as time has gone that jokes just gone on that some jokes just aren't anymore? aren't funny anymore? >> actually >> and actually it's unacceptable telling unacceptable to be telling sexist for example , i sexist jokes, for example, i would just ask leo where you stand on this. >> of all, you haven't >> first of all, you haven't been cancelled macro been cancelled in the macro picture you a channel picture. you are on a channel that to be doing quite that seems to be doing quite well audience. well in terms of its audience. yeah, you just happened yeah, i mean, you just happened to national you're to be on national tv. you're given platform, you given a regular platform, so you are not cancelled. >> no, that's absolute nonsense i >> k- k been cancelled >> i've been cancelled for many clubs. cancelled for clubs. i've been cancelled for you that's that's not you know, but that's that's not the point. also, 2017, the point. and also, in 2017, when was cancelled from when my show was cancelled from the fringe in australia the perth fringe in australia and me and the perth fringe in australia and said, me and the perth fringe in australia and said, is me and the perth fringe in australia and said, is an me and the perth fringe in australia and said, is an inclusive and they said, this is an inclusive space, okay? they said this is an inclusive space have to an inclusive space you have to leave, doesn't even make leave, which doesn't even make sense it's inclusive , just sense if it's inclusive, just let but when i was, i let me stay. but when i was, i wasn't on tv then . i mean, wasn't on tv then. i mean, everything i've got, i've to everything i've got, i've had to i've for and i get i've had to fight for and i get cancelled from other clubs. my tour this year was cancelled an entire now that's, that's entire tour. now that's, that's cancel mean, fair cancel culture. i mean, fair enough. are some enough. i can do there are some places haven't shut their places that haven't shut their door me i my tour door to me but i mean, my tour was just. >> come e come with a

e with a quick >> let me come back with a quick question. where you draw question. so where do you draw the line or is there no line? simple question. should people who are not saying you do, should people who make fun of black jewish people black people or jewish people have national have a show on national television make fun television where they make fun of people and make fun of of black people and make fun of jewish people? of black people and make fun of jewyes.»eople? of black people and make fun of jewyes. well, ? of black people and make fun of jewyes. well, if it's let >> yes. well, if it's funny, let the audience be the judge. >> this is why comedy doesn't need to be policed. you're performing a jury. performing in front of a jury. you're performing front of you're performing in front of a jury. do you think do you jury. and do you think do you think get 300 people, think if you get 300 people, just members of the just regular members of the pubuc just regular members of the public theatre, public in a in a theatre, they're going to accept some horrific to go horrific they're going to go they're willingly they're going to willingly go and sort of crime and see some sort of hate crime being committed? >> like don't like >> i don't like the i don't like the i'm not going to the way that i'm not going to single out. the way that i'm not going to singbut out. the way that i'm not going to singbut manyt. the way that i'm not going to singbut many people that speak >> but many people that speak about cancel or, you about cancel culture or, you know, we be inclusive, know, we need to be inclusive, often black into often bring black people into it, and it, often bring and it's rubbish. you watch rubbish. if you used to watch kings of comedy, if you watched dave chappelle, are most dave chappelle, we are the most brutal when comes to comedy brutal when it comes to comedy and if you look at our culture as well , if and if you look at our culture as well, if you and if you look at our culture as well , if you travel to the as well, if you travel to the canbbean as well, if you travel to the caribbean , what has me caribbean, what has made me a resilient i was born in barbados. me a barbados. what's made me a resilient is literally resilient woman is literally getting and made getting dissed, cursed and made

fun of throughout my entire youth. it built resilience . we youth. it built resilience. we used to laugh about it around the dinner table and it brought us closer as family. the dinner table and it brought us ii'mar as family. the dinner table and it brought us ii'mar i'm as family. the dinner table and it brought us ii'mar i'm goingnily. the dinner table and it brought us ii'mar i'm going to y. the dinner table and it brought us ii'mar i'm going to have >> i'm afraid i'm going to have to cancel this debate, but still ahead, matthew stadlen is wondering why on earth anyone would vote for the tories. will anyone have any answers for him? you're with the saturday five live on .

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carlson. we're live from. nine >> welcome back to the saturday five. mary says, great topic. i'll be. thank you, mary. please can we let comedians joke about what they want without fear ? we what they want without fear? we are adults and can pick and choose who we want to watch. now it's choose who we want to watch. now wsfime choose who we want to watch. now it's time for our final debate . it's time for our final debate. matthew, take it away . matthew, take it away. >> so thank you, albie. i'm a late substitute for this show. haven't had a chance to prepare what i'm going to say , but it's what i'm going to say, but it's quite it's quite quite easy. it's quite straightforward. even if you're not a massive fan of keir starmer, even if he doesn't excite you, even if you don't think terribly charismatic, think he's terribly charismatic, you that he is you probably accept that he is dragged the labour party back almost from brink of almost from the brink of extinction under the disastrous leadership of jeremy corbyn. but what i'm sure you must agree with me on is this the conservatives have been in power initially , yes, with the liberal initially, yes, with the liberal democrats for 13 years and i want to know from you, from the panels, but also from you at

home, whether you seriously think that you are better off now , now than you were in 2010. now, now than you were in 2010. are you better off now than you were even in 2019 when boris johnson came to power or won that election? is the nhs in a better or worse state? how are you finding your local policing? do you feel properly safe on the streets? how has this conservative government got a grip on one of its supposedly flagship policies? and that is the crossings over the channel in the rubber dinghies? whatever you think of that, whether you have sympathy like i do or you don't, for people who are desperate to get to this country, seriously think country, do you seriously think that sunaks government or that rishi sunaks government or those have gone before have those that have gone before have got a grip? do you think the economy is going well? do you support the culture wars? are you whether women you obsessed with whether women can a penis or not? or are can have a penis or not? or are you concerned, as million of you concerned, as 11 million of us about whether you can us are, about whether you can actually to your actually afford to pay your bills ? so my question to these bills? so my question to these guys, to you at home is guys, but also to you at home is can a single reason can you think of a single reason

why would tory the why you would vote tory at the next a 25 year old why you would vote tory at the nextover a 25 year old why you would vote tory at the nextover turned 25 year old why you would vote tory at the nextover turned a5 year old why you would vote tory at the next over turned a 20,000 ld why you would vote tory at the nextover turned a 20,000 plus just over turned a 20,000 plus majority in a by—election. i'd like to hear your views, guys. >> why does this age matter? >> why does this age matter? >> well, it's pretty unusual, isn't it, for a 25 year old to be able to achieve that. it shows to me that there's a problem with the ruling party. >> not very nice him, i have >> not very nice on him, i have to no good see him. i'm all >> no good to see him. i'm all for him. fantastic. it's unusual. >> i've to take issue with >> i've got to take issue with the you think the fact that you think there's a conservative party actually a conservative party to actually vote election. the vote for the next election. the conservative just conservative party are just exactly labour. just conservative party are just exactlof labour. just conservative party are just exactlof them labour. just conservative party are just exactlof them went labour. just conservative party are just exactlof them went to bour. just conservative party are just exactlof them went to eton.just some of them went to eton. >> but isn't that part of the problem? if you believe that as you do are very few people you do there are very few people on channel, i would argue, on this channel, i would argue, who conservatives on this channel, i would argue, who a conservatives on this channel, i would argue, who a good conservatives on this channel, i would argue, who a good job. iservatives on this channel, i would argue, who a good job. in vatives on this channel, i would argue, who a good job. in vativewords doing a good job. in other words , the conservatives not , the conservatives are not making on the right happy making those on the right happy and they're certainly not making those the left so those on the left happy. so who's for them and why? >> but the same with labour. have to say it's the first time i've ever really agreed with matthew on anything. >> you know, been >> but you know, i've been saying is saying for a while, what is their at the next their pitch at the next election? been in power

election? we've been in power for everything's for 13 years. everything's broken for broken and rubbish. vote for us. we'll same thing we'll keep doing the same thing we've and it will we've been doing and it will just get worse. i mean, the thing is, i don't want thing is, though, i don't want to labour. don't thing is, though, i don't want to anyone bour. don't thing is, though, i don't want to anyone really don't thing is, though, i don't want to anyone really wants keir think anyone really wants keir starmer or the current labour party, it's the party, but i think it's the greatest in history greatest opportunity in history for party to form. and for a third party to form. and so tiny so all of these small, tiny parties think need to get parties i think need to get around table, out their around the table, talk out their distances option. >> that's very difficult. the third first past third parties under first past the no parties. the labour the post, no parties. the labour party third party. party started as a third party. >> the liberals and the >> you had the liberals and the tories. they emerged, put tories. they emerged, they put the liberals into, know, the liberals into, you know, effectively books. effectively the history books. >> happen >> it's not going to happen in this this short this in this short space. >> but need to >> maybe not, but they need to get together and start to form some kind of unified party. what are that you are these two parties that you might be referring to reclaim or reform? might be referring to reclaim or refclm? might be referring to reclaim or refci strongly argue. but >> i strongly would argue. but outside outside of gb news, outside of outside of gb news, outside of outside of gb news, outside the gb news viewership, which rising and outside which may be rising and outside our teeny world of our tiny, teeny world of twitter, where you and i might be tweeting and that, be tweeting this and that, almost one in this country almost no one in this country has even heard of them. >> think, you know, >> well, i think, you know, any party us party which says vote for us will leave alone. i'll vote will leave you alone. i'll vote for let's talk the for well, let's talk about the labour party, matthew sutton,

because imagine you think because you i imagine you think that labour would be better than the labour the conservatives, but labour can't even commit to end the cap on the on the child welfare limit. >> so. so how is labour going to be any different from the conservatives when they've agreed to the same spending commitments as the conservatives? >> i think the challenge for labour has been largely about detoxifying itself from corbynism and i couldn't vote labour under the corbyn leadership either in 2017 or 2019. and the other challenge is not to score an own goal and go back to the football analogy . i back to the football analogy. i think it is reasonable though not particularly inspiring , that not particularly inspiring, that keir starmer is steadying the ship . if he's allowing the ship. if he's allowing the conservatives to do his work for them, they're blowing themselves up. yes, i would like to see more policy, but for me a massive priority on this is that i want to see far less of the toxicity that has been encouraged by rishi sunak in the form of suella braverman, who he gets to his dirty work gets to do his dirty work

talking invasion zones, talking about invasion zones, this obsession culture wars this obsession with culture wars . people vote generally on financial grounds , on on the financial grounds, on on the economics. people want to have poundsin economics. people want to have pounds in their pounds in their in their pockets. and just very quickly, if you read the times today, their main story was rishi sunak. he seems desperate because of these by elections. they only just clung on in in uxbridge. he what he wants to do now to rule. now is to rule. >> he to divide and rule. >> he wants to divide and rule. he expected lose. he was expected to lose. >> divide and rule. >> he wants to divide and rule. and that's not what people want. >> the culture wars, the culture wars do affect what's in people's because people's pockets because if you can't a account, if can't have a bank account, if you're have you're not allowed to have a job, then the culture war is fact. >> but not just that i think. >> but not just that i think. >> i but i think the >> i think but i think the labour party are just as bad, if not the look rosie not worse than the look at rosie duffy like how was she treated by own party? just because by her own party? just because she stood for she essentially stood up for women's it's women's rights? so i think it's just disingenuous throw just disingenuous to just throw the toxicity of culture the whole toxicity of culture wars and just blame it on conservatives we can conservatives when we can evidently see that labour are horrendous when it comes to these sorts of.

>> rishi. >> rishi. >> rishi. >> rishi sunak has introduced lee anderson, a gb news lee anderson, who's a gb news presenter or panellist. esteemed colleague and the reason he brought him in is because in the same way that he reinstated suella braverman a week after she'd had to leave her role as home secretary, which absurd home secretary, which was absurd . week is because he . less than a week is because he wants anderson his wants lee anderson to do his dirty he wants to sow dirty work. he wants to sow division. thinks his only division. he thinks his only hope when 11 million of us are struggling pay our bills. and struggling to pay our bills. and that's why people vote that's largely why people vote pounds in their pocket. >> ability because which >> the ability because of which labour were behind lockdown would worse if would have been even worse if labour had been in power. >> his only hope. his >> he feels his only hope. his only to divide and rule. only hope is to divide and rule. and that's what want i >> -- >> so -_ >> so matt, 5mm >> so matt, if you vote for labour give me three labour, can you give me three policies? you'd vote for policies? why you'd vote for labour? because you even said they really they lack policy. i don't really understand keir stands for. understand what keir stands for. one day he's saying about, you know, fees and he's know, student fees and he's rescinding he rescinding on that. then he changes on other policies. same with the two child policy which you would think that people could turn to labour for. so why would three policies that you'd vote for labour? >> it is i think it is

>> i think it is i think it is very normal. doesn't mean very normal. that doesn't mean to the right way to say it's the right way forward, although politically i think i understand it . think it's i can understand it. it's the leader it's very normal for the leader of opposition to hold fire it's very normal for the leader of theirpposition to hold fire it's very normal for the leader of their bigsition to hold fire it's very normal for the leader of their big gun] to hold fire it's very normal for the leader of their big gun policiesi fire it's very normal for the leader of their big gun policies until on their big gun policies until closer to the election. why because otherwise they might be stolen by the by the party or because he doesn't have any. i mean, it's possible. it's possible that keir starmer doesn't feel that strongly on enough issues. what i want from him, though, after 13 years of tory rule, is sensible. moderate leadership and serious grown up management of the economy. >> well, that's the real analysis. >> i feel like i don't really know what keir starmer is about. i just. i just think he he flip flops on things. he commits to policies, then goes back, goes back and says the back on them and says the conservatives awful, but conservatives are awful, but doesn't really seem to have any solutions problems. solutions to problems. >> reason to >> and there's a great reason to vote tories because it vote for the tories because it annoys it's annoys left wing people. it's glorious. facebook, all the glorious. on facebook, all the jeremy corbyn supporters will know how did this happen? >> don't even him. >> they don't even like him. they don't him. on on they don't even like him. on on the starmer issue. >> that he does need to

>> i think that he does need to come out with more things that are relatable, that people can very say this is very easily say this is something i agree with. this is where he's putting his flag. >> matt , thank you very much for >> matt, thank you very much for that argument. i'm not i that argument. i'm not sure i agree you, but thank agree with you, but thank you very our guests tonight. very much to our guests tonight. and you very much, and thank you very much, everyone who's been watching this next up, it's the this evening. next up, it's the brilliant mark dolan . we'll see brilliant mark dolan. we'll see you week . you again next week. >> the temperature's rising . >> the temperature's rising. boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> good evening, my name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast brought to you by the met office . so it's been quite a dull and gloomy start to the weekend. things do look a little bit brighter for some on sunday day, but this unsettled weather but all this unsettled weather is due to this area of low pressure moving eastwards across the throughout this weekend . the uk throughout this weekend. now, looking at the detail for tonight's weather and across much of scotland, it will be dry

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