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news headlines. >> nana. thank you very much and good afternoon. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. greek authorities say the evacuation operation is taking place in the country due to the wildfires is the largest ever conducted . noted thousands of conducted. noted thousands of people are fleeing homes and hotels on the greek island of rhodes. emergency crews are still battling to bring the fires under control. several houday fires under control. several holiday firms, including jet2 , holiday firms, including jet2, tuiand holiday firms, including jet2, tui and thomson cook, have cancelled all flights to rhodes until the end of the month. gb news spoke to a british tourist this morning who was evacuated overnight . overnight. >> we noticed that sort of the middle of the last week, lots of smoke coming over the mountains towards the sea where we were staying . the smoke sort of got staying. the smoke sort of got thicker and thicker through the week . week. >> the levelling up secretary is warning against treating the environment as a religious crusade, as he calls for a relaxation of some net zero

measures. in an interview with the telegraph, michael gove said that inflexible rules lead to an inevitable backlash. the proposed expansion of the ultra low emission zone was widely blamed for labour failing to win the seat of uxbridge and south ruislip chris skidmore, who chaired the tories net zero review, argues that climate policies consistently poll third among issues voters care about, andignonng among issues voters care about, and ignoring those concerns would be bad politics. conservative mp and gb news presenter jacob conservative mp and gb news presenterjacob rees—mogg says he thinks net zero is a waste of money. >> i would certainly get rid of the pledge to get rid of petrol cars in 2030 that that was done a few years ago in different circumstances i would get rid of the plan cars in the energy bill to put extra charges on people and have extra certificates for people selling their houses or owning property. and so on. i would get rid of things that are high direct costs. having a long term ambition for net zero is different from working towards it, but we need to think about

what other countries are doing, what other countries are doing, what proportionate and what what is proportionate and what is affordable . is affordable. >> the uk's banking sector is set to reveal another round of strong profits as lenders reap the rewards of expensive borrowing costs. major banks beat expectations in their first quarter, helped by a rise in interest rates, which currently stand at 5. but some analysts predict an increase in arrears as borrowers struggle to keep up with higher repayments. banks have also been criticised by mps for failing to raise interest rates on savings accounts in line with the bank of england's base rate . the liberal democrat base rate. the liberal democrat are calling on the government to launch a gp rescue plan as new data shows i in 6 appointments over the past year involved waits of two weeks or more. the figures show the south—west is the worst affected region, with i in 5 suffering lengthy wait times . the i in 5 suffering lengthy wait times. the party is calling on the health secretary steve barclay, to find a way to fix the issue, including a campaign to urge retired gp's back to the

workforce . more shops could be workforce. more shops could be converted into homes and extension is made easier as the government launches a review of building rules in proposals to be formally announced tomorrow. new freedoms to enlarge existing homes will also be outlined . the homes will also be outlined. the government says the idea is to make it easier to build upwards and outwards, with new extensions loft conversion extensions and loft conversion zones. new measures will see shops , takeaways and betting shops, takeaways and betting shops, takeaways and betting shops turned into living spaces with michael gove arguing that britain must make better use of the buildings we already have . the buildings we already have. planning lee rowley planning minister lee rowley says it's a positive move. >> the importance behind housebuilding is so that it gives people the ability to own their own homes, to get on the housing ladder, to make sure that people can build capital. kan. kan, kan, kan . start a kan. kan, kan, kan. start a family. and that's hugely important . so we've family. and that's hugely important. so we've made some progress, but there's more to do, is why my course is to do, which is why my course is to going announce tomorrow some further hopefully further changes which hopefully will more but also will build more homes, but also vitally build them in the right

places . places. >> now cinemas all over the world are pink with glee following the release of barbie. among those joining in the fun is prime minister who went is the prime minister who went to see the with his family to see the film with his family . starring margot . the satire starring margot robbie is the world's most recognisable doll , scored the recognisable doll, scored the highest ticket sales of highest preview ticket sales of the even surpassing the the year, even surpassing the most spider—man film most recent spider—man film analysts say the film is on track to earn $150 million at the us box office. and finally , the us box office. and finally, the us box office. and finally, the british pop singer vince hill has died at the age of 89. as fatal vice essayed to write his version of edelweiss. first heard in the sound of music , heard in the sound of music, reached number two on the uk charts in 1967. in a career that included 25 studio albums , hill included 25 studio albums, hill worked with some of britain's best love musical legends, including dame vera lynn and cilla black. he passed away peacefully at his home in

oxfordshire . he you're with gb oxfordshire. he you're with gb news. we'll bring you more as it happens. now it's back to nana . happens. now it's back to nana. >> good afternoon. thank you. tatiana it'sjust >> good afternoon. thank you. tatiana it's just coming >> good afternoon. thank you. tatiana it'sjust coming up >> good afternoon. thank you. tatiana it's just coming up to eight minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. now, before we get stuck into debates over the next hour, let me introduce you to my panel. joining today, former brexit joining me today, former brexit party and also party mep ben habib and also former advisor to jeremy corbyn, james schneider. smile. james come on. right let's show you what's coming up on in this next hour as we go head to head made . two parties have come to terms with the recent by—election results and becoming results and it's becoming clearer that labour clearer that unless labour disassociate themselves from things ulez , it could things like ulez, it could become a major electoral risk. nigel farage is rightly still demanding an apology from the bbc over their humiliate beating

reporting of his battle with coutts bank. sadly, nigel wouldn't be holding a wooden shouldn't be holding his breath, but it's been a long journey since the 2016 brexit rhetoric action referendum. but despite what the haters say with new trade deals is taking control of our borders, i'm asking can brexit still be a success as rising interest rates and tiresome economic conditions are leading many landlords to consider abandoning the market. so is the government treating landlords unfairly? and finally , i since covid and well before loneliness had become an epidemic in society, could i be the fix? are you worried , the fix? are you worried, though, that i could in fact replace human relationships that's on the way in the next houn that's on the way in the next hour, as ever, tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. email gb views gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb gbnews.com or tweet me at. gb news. all right. so we're going head to head in a clash of minds on our first topic, labour

leader sir keir starmer. he says that his party reflect and that his party must reflect and face electoral damage of face up to electoral damage of things like ulez in london. now this follows questions that the ulez low emission zones were responsible for the by—election losses in uxbridge and south ruislip . but the mayor of ruislip. but the mayor of london, sadiq khan , has defended london, sadiq khan, has defended the measure, calling it the right one, though he added he would listen to londoners concerns. shame he didn't do that before. now ulez will hit all london boroughs from next month , despite khan facing a month, despite khan facing a high court battle from bexley. bromley harrow, hillingdon and surrey counties county council . surrey counties county council. so what do you think? could ulez be the thing that damages the labour party? let's welcome them again. my head to head is ben habib, former and former adviser to jeremy corbyn. james schneider well, i'm going to start with you, ben habib ulez ulez ulez you lose ulez is fundamentally a regressive tax. >> it's a tax on the working class to fund whatever it is that sadiq khan wants to do with the cash. he claims it's a

desire to clean up the air in london. but actually if you look at the maps , air pollution maps, at the maps, air pollution maps, the tfl itself produces, so one of, you know, one of the departments for which he's responsive all it shows the outer boroughs where he wishes to impose ulez to actually have pretty air. there's no pretty clean air. there's no there's no environmental imperative for expanding ulez and indeed, even central london, by the way, has pretty clean air. so the whole ulez narrative, if you like , by his narrative, if you like, by his own assessment , by tfl's own own assessment, by tfl's own assessment, is false. but even if you grant him that, even if you say, well, okay, fine, you've got a kind of point there. let's talk about cleaning up ulez is not the way up the air. ulez is not the way to go about it. you don't penalise the working class and the classes used bring the middle classes used bring their cars in order to get drop their cars in order to get drop their children off to school and go to their legitimate places of work, deliver their goods in order to propagate his agenda and it seems to me sadiq khan , and it seems to me sadiq khan, even though he's a labour mayor,

has brought in so many policies which are anti working class. you know, he champions a lot of the woke issues as work is defining cities. james before we came on as the ostensible this is how i define it the ostensible championing of minority rights to the exclusion if necessary , and often the if necessary, and often the detriment of the majority. and sadiq khan as mayor of london, should be looking for what benefits the majority. but he's on every single minority right issue. he loves division. he loves income , creating division. loves income, creating division. he thrives on it. >> so, ben, do you think then that these sort of policies could be the thing that could lose labour, the election because a possible they're not guaranteed to win? >> yeah. i mean, i don't think ulez is going to register much at the general election. it's particularly london issue. i know angela rayner was on telly saying that it's going to be expanded the united kingdom. >> that's what they're though. >> imagine the labour >> but i imagine the labour party going reign party is going to reign back from certainly advance from that certainly in advance of they of the general election. they may then do it

afterwards. >> and i'm going to ask james, so you think that so james ulez, do you think that perhaps could as we head perhaps it could be as we head towards the net zero sort of elements things perhaps elements of things that perhaps labour need labour party, the labour need to back back down on that? >> i think everyone should take a deep breath . we're a bit of a deep breath. we're talking about a policy that affects 1 cars in one city. >> no, but they're planning to expand it. as ben pointed out, labour are not going. >> i mean i thoroughly doubt labour are going to expand it. they're having their policy conference, thing on conference, this thing going on right i thoroughly doubt right now and i thoroughly doubt that the document out that when the document comes out they're saying they're going to be saying they're going to be saying they're doing they're going to be doing anything we're anything like that. what we're seeing what labour is seeing here is what labour is best is self best at, which is self flagellation. know, the flagellation. you know, the tories had three really bad tories have had three really bad by—election results . they hung by—election results. they hung on a seat that they on to a seat that they practically always held by 400 votes or something in uxbridge . votes or something in uxbridge. it's not some great glorious success and they got hammered in the other two and it's the other two and yet it's labour who somehow labour who have somehow contrived to say that they've been doing something wrong and they need to think again and so on. i think labour should

on. so i think labour should take breath , but the one take a deep breath, but the one thing that does show is the thing that it does show is the problem with if your strategy is strategic, non definition , which strategic, non definition, which is basically what labour is going for, because the insight is most people vote against something and against someone and against the party rather than for one. so keir starmers strategy is try to not really be identifiable as anything and in comparison, after 1415 years of tory rule, people will vote for you.the tory rule, people will vote for you. the problem with that is if the tories find a narrative as they did in uxbridge , but they they did in uxbridge, but they couldn't in selby about an issue, then people don't have a positive reason to vote for you. but the tories are providing one. so while ulez itself isn't going to isn't going to do that, it does show that labour's big advance, which is they are. i mean these results are very good for labour. labour is well ahead of tories, but on of the tories, but it's on slightly ground. it's more slightly shaky ground. it's more from tories not being turned on. you know, people who voted tory before rather than

before not voting rather than some great enthusiasm for laboun >> so, so labour, you believe, may be at risk if i mean, do you think the tories have any hope in the general election then from what you've said, it sounds like tories can pick out like if the tories can pick out individual kind of issues that really people really affect people like richard about richard sunak is talking about the wars, i think it's the culture wars, i think it's going to be really, really difficult tories because difficult for the tories because they've power by the they've been in power by the election 15 years and most election 14, 15 years and most people be well off. people will be less well off. >> i think under those >> and i think under those conditions do conditions you have to do something really dramatic in order so i think it's i order to win. so i think it's i think it's unlikely , which is think it's unlikely, which is why labour's strategy of trying to not say anything, trying to not really do anything , not not really do anything, not putting forward that much of a positive agenda, could win an election . the problem is that's election. the problem is that's not for governing . not a strategy for governing. and a country have some and we as a country have some very issues that to be very big issues that need to be deau very big issues that need to be dealt with. you don't have very big issues that need to be dea|mandate you don't have very big issues that need to be dea|mandate for'ou don't have very big issues that need to be dea|mandate for that on't have very big issues that need to be dea|mandate for that if|'t have very big issues that need to be dea|mandate for that if youave very big issues that need to be dea|mandate for that if you just any mandate for that if you just win we're going to win by saying we're going to carry on almost things carry on almost all the things now, we'll do it slightly better. >> we'll be interesting to see what what happens with the labour party in that election and actually

and whether they start actually laying down some solid foundations but foundations and policies. but moving on gb news is very own nigel farage department demanding from the demanding an apology from the bbc over their reporting of the coots affair . now the former coots affair. now the former ukip leader wrote to the head ahead of the broadcast after endunng ahead of the broadcast after enduring humiliating publicity from inaccurate reporting that his account fell below the financial threshold, which is why they closed the account. but nigel's account was actually closed after a report by coots concluded that his views did not augn concluded that his views did not align with their values, for which the bank has apologised to nigel over a letter. he says the apology was a start . nigel over a letter. he says the apology was a start. but what do you think? should the bbc also apologise? joining me to discuss ben and james, i'm going to start with you, james, is should they apologise? do you feel they have apologise the bbc have apologise and the bbc hasn't apologised? >> it's changed some of its reporting to zoom reporting. i just want to zoom out bit from nigel out a little bit from nigel farage moment . we have a farage for a moment. we have a problem within our media that you can have misreporting or reporting that is based on one

set of sources that gets a lot of fanfare, and then when it's rowed back on, it doesn't get the equivalent reporting at all. and that can that's a big problem in politics. that's that can be a big problem for people's lives. so i think the general thing, rather than just going, well, something bad's happened farage, he should happened to farage, he should get an apology and then we move on. we should actually be looking get looking at how do you get accountability when on the front page of a newspaper it says something that's not true. it gets picked up by broadcasters and for a day or two. and it runs for a day or two. how how either how how does either an organisation or an individual get some kind of accountability and justice? and me, that and justice? and for me, that would be getting equivalent coverage to say what was wrong with the initial reporting . so with the initial reporting. so in this case, it seems like the bbc were given some briefing from the bank or from the banks. who owns the bank , which was who owns the bank, which was false. and not only should it say and this has had a negative impact on the person involved,

which is nigel farage, but also that shines a light for people that shines a light for people that would educate people. and how does the media actually operate ? what is who gets to put operate? what is who gets to put stories , what sources get to set stories, what sources get to set the news agenda? so i would i would focus on that, not ben yeah. >> so i mean, i agree with james that the apology is a moot point. it's kind of irrelevant what's important here is the mechanism by which the bbc got the information down. >> well, to nigel, that would be probably quite an important point. if it you, you'd want probably quite an important prwell,f it you, you'd want probably quite an important prwell, for you, you'd want probably quite an important prwell, for me you, you'd want probably quite an important prwell, for me itou, you'd want probably quite an important prwell, for me it wouldn't want probably quite an important prwell, for me it wouldn't be nt probably quite an important prwell, for me it wouldn't be to me. >> well, i mean, for nigel, what i the record. i would want is the record. i mean, maybe for nigel, but for me, what would be important is putting in putting the record straight in the james described. putting the record straight in the i'd james described. putting the record straight in the i'd want james described. putting the record straight in the i'd want a|mes described. putting the record straight in the i'd want a deeper scribed. but i'd want a deeper understanding of how it was that the bbc got the information and this isn't just information that a journalist gets from a reliable source. actually, in order to get this information, the provide order of it broke data protection laws, gdpr , gdpr data protection laws, gdpr, gdpr and so there is a legal issue

here, and the bbc needs to come clean. i think on what their who their source was . i know their source was. i know journalists protect their sources as a matter of routine, but they source and they would have known this , by the way, have known this, by the way, when they published the info, even though they may have believed the info to be accurate. they would have known they breaking law in they were breaking the law in order to get the information . order to get the information. and that itself, i think, and that in itself, i think, puts the bbc the crosshairs puts the bbc in the crosshairs of a bigger claim than simply a need to apologise. and of course , the real crosshairs for all of this are focus firmly on coots, which is where they should be, and natwest, their owner and dame alison, whose apology by the way, wasn't was entirely inadequate because if it was a genuine apology, if they genuinely felt that they had done. nigel a disservice and had maligned him and so on, what they should have done , at the they should have done, at the very least, was offer him his coots banking facilities back . coots banking facilities back. but they didn't. they said he could move , you know, move could move, you know, move across to natwest in some sort could move, you know, move acryouto natwest in some sort could move, you know, move acryou know, ivest in some sort could move, you know, move acryou know, veryin some sort could move, you know, move

acryou know, very patronisingt of, you know, very patronising and demeaning manner. so, i mean , and demeaning manner. so, i mean i , and demeaning manner. so, i mean , i think there's a lot more to run this. nigel know, has run on this. nigel i know, has made application to the made an application to the information commissioners officer understand officer in order to understand what took place . what breach of gdpr took place. so this going to run and run so this is going to run and run well mistake doing well, they made a mistake doing that nigel. that to nigel. >> unfortunately, if it had been any they probably any one of us, they probably would got away with it. but would have got away with it. but i'm looking watching this with well, i'm looking at my own banking and thinking perhaps i need to get an access request from them and see what they have on i would on me. and i think i would actually to know. but if actually like to know. but if you just tuned in, welcome on board. news on tv, board. this is gb news on tv, onune board. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana up, an nana akua. now coming up, an exodus housing market exodus in the housing market of landlords. a place landlords. there's not a place to if you are a landlord. are to be if you are a landlord. are they being unfairly by they being treated unfairly by they being treated unfairly by the government? former the current government? former brexit ben habib and brexit party mep ben habib and former corbyn. former adviser to jeremy corbyn. james snyder will go head to head on that one after the weather . weather. >> that feeling inside from >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. proud sponsors of weather on . gb news.

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radio. >> good afternoon. if you've just tuned in where have you been? it's fine. you've only missed 25 minutes of the show because it's just coming up to 26 after 3:00. 26 minutes after 3:00. we're live tv online and on digital live on tv online and on digital radio. now, lots you have radio. now, lots of you have already been getting in touch with thoughts ulez. with your thoughts on ulez. colin should be colin says sadiq khan should be concentrating and concentrating on crime and totally scrap ulez in london. you'd think , wouldn't you? i you'd think, wouldn't you? i mean, there's knife crime mean, there's enough knife crime in london for to have a lot in london for him to have a lot to go on. audrey this man, to go on. audrey says this man, khan, too much power khan, has far too much power over ulez over people's lives. this ulez scheme another money scheme is just another money maker. well, was always,

maker. well, it was always, always unpopular, don't always unpopular, so i don't know thought that it know why he even thought that it would a goer, keith says. would be a goer, keith says. i don't in london, but don't live in london, but i deliver as an hgv driver. deliver there as an hgv driver. i don't pollution , so to i don't see pollution, so to speak. scheme is speak. this ulez scheme is absolute nonsense. well there you have it. and the labour party were talking about expanding across the uk. so i expanding it across the uk. so i wonder if sir keir will flip flop on that on that one. but moving to brexit, most moving on to this brexit, most brits would vote apparently to rejoin the eu. now, that's according to a new yougov survey, although i question where they surveyed this because i think that's very relevant . i think that's very relevant. seven years after the referendum, 55% of brits say that they would now vote remain . i wonder if they asked whether whether people would vote leave while less than a third say they would vote leave. well, there they go. they did. i answer my own question, trader. i should always read trade experts always read ahead. trade experts say brexit say the government's new brexit trade pacific trade deal with pacific countries to countries will not lead to substantial gains. substantial economic gains. whilst business secretary kevin badenoch claims it provide badenoch claims it will provide a big boost to the economy, so do you think brexit can still be

a success? joining me to go head to head is ben habib and also james schneider. ben habib, i'm going with you. as going to start with you. as a business going to start with you. as a buswell, it's a fundamental >> well, it's a fundamental question. can brexit still be a success is irrelevant if you don't mind me saying so. brexit is a state of being. it is taking the united kingdom out of the european union to become an independent sovereign state. okay, well, now that in itself cannot be a failure , that if cannot be a failure, that if thatis cannot be a failure, that if that is achieved, that can't be a failure. that's just changing the status of the united kingdom to join. by the way, the other 167 countries in the world that are not members of the eu, only 27 members are what can be judged to be either working or not is whether we've achieved taking the united kingdom out of the eu. number one, and we haven't . and james got a bit of haven't. and james got a bit of this in the green room when i was before we came in. but we haven't we haven't left as one united kingdom. we've left northern ireland behind, subject to eu laws made by eu

legislature, enforced by an eu court. so to that extent, brexit has not been delivered and the country has not left the eu properly and by the way, the trade and cooperation agreement which we signed with the european union , hitches us at european union, hitches us at the hip and makes major, major government policy areas, including net zero. you know, i saw michael gove was talking about the need to break away from net zero. we can't do it because of the deal that michael gove and others championed. >> so which deal was that one? >> so which deal was that one? >> the trade cooperation >> not the trade and cooperation agreement. the trade and cooperation. agreement, cooperation. so the agreement, the agreement that we the trade agreement that we established as we established with the eu as we left single market. so in left the single market. so in many respects the tory government undermined brexit at birth because they didn't deliver an independent sovereign united kingdom . can we make it work? >> well, that's the question, isn't it? still be a success? >> course we can make it >> of course we can make it work. of course we can make it work. >> do you actually believe we can? the way we can? look at the way we need we need a government that believes in believes in the in itself, believes in the

british people and believes in an independent country and believes that policies, laws and regulations should be made for the benefit of the british people and not for the eu. >> and as soon as we get that government won't, they will ditch the northern ireland protocol or its new version of the windsor framework. they will tear up the trade and cooperation agreement. they will take our fishing waters, take back our fishing waters, they'll to they'll take back our ability to chart an independent path and they will start making policies for british national interests. when they do that, break megxit will be an un adult rated success. >> success. >> so the answer to my question from what you just said is going to be no, because because there is no party that is currently in the running that feels that way about the reform party will do it. well. there is, but they're not in the running like i use the word in the running. i see there's party in running there's no party in the running right that deliver right now that will deliver that. your to my that. so your answer to my question ultimately. question must ultimately. >> have to do is >> well, what we have to do is get a cohort. it's a battle. it's a battle that's going to go on on and on. and people

on and on and on. and people like me go on campaign like me will go on campaign saying standing for saying and standing for parliament and defeating the tories. if we have to in order to get get heard. and we'll go on doing it until we an on doing it until we get an independent, united independent, sovereign united kingdom let's. james, same >> well, let's. james, same question to you. after what you've you think you've heard, do you think brexit can be a success? >> it's not a question of >> so it's not a question of belief. it's whether britain has a geoeconomic strategy. >> listen you to stop changing my question. i've you a my question. i've given you a question. that one. question. i'll answer that one. i mean, i mean, my answer sort of along your lines will be no, but not because there's no way that britain could have a geoeconomic strategy outside the eu . eu. >> it's just no one's putting forward any policies that you would have one. so what we're doing is we're taking our existing geoeconomic strategy, which is tied into the eu, making that one worse in context , where the macro situation is worse than it was back in 2016 with supply chains , with the with supply chains, with the different policies of the us and china and how they're trying to

how they're trying to manage key minerals. so in theory it's possible. but if you look at the political reality, neither labour nor the tories are putting forward a strategy to have a successful new geo geo economic strategy and so it's not going to it's not going to work. what we're getting is worse than what we had beforehand because basically beforehand because we basically got to before , but a got the similar to before, but a worse version of it . worse version of it. >> we need to change the politicians fact. we need to put you in. ben habib well, i mean, you've got i mean, james is absolutely right. >> we've left the eu and we've gone on following their basic economic model and what need economic model and what we need to is that which is to do is ditch that which is inherently a socialist model, by the way. we to ditch that. the way. we need to ditch that. >> it is if only it's if it's top down, big spend, high taxation . well, i think taxation model. well, i think that the geo economic strategy that the geo economic strategy that britain would have would be a much more pro—social model. it'd be where we intervened it'd be one where we intervened in the economy strategically in key sectors to what the government would intervene in

the economy. >> in what way? give me an example of where would see example of where you would see our well, our industry. well, so for example, example , we're example, so for example, we're going to build we're going to have apparently wind farms , but have apparently wind farms, but we don't produce the wind turbines because we don't have the steel. >> strategic policy would look >> a strategic policy would look at go, well, we should at those and go, well, we should be should be building, we should be bringing supply bringing more of that supply chain here. shouldn't be chain here. we shouldn't be afraid intervene in the afraid to intervene in the economy to make brexit work, economy and to make brexit work, to have this independent policy that ben is talking about. you need to have a government which isn't intervene into isn't afraid to intervene into the economy in strategic ways to upgrade our services and upgrade our technology, and which we can't do at the moment because we're bound eu state aid laws. >> well, i mean , and why are we >> well, i mean, and why are we bound by them? because that's the deal we signed on. leaving doesn't any sense at all. doesn't make any sense at all. well, listen, stay coming well, listen, stay tuned. coming up, exodus in the up, amid an exodus in the housing asking housing market, we're asking if landlords treated landlords are being treated unfairly government . but unfairly by the government. but you'll the thoughts of my you'll hear the thoughts of my panel panel. former brexit party mep ben was a former adviser ben habib was a former adviser to jeremy corbyn. james schneider they're going head to head of minds. but

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supposed to do due diligence as a journalist. you know, that's how goes. marina says since how it goes. marina says since there is evidence that he was cancelled because they did not like his beliefs, the bbc like him or his beliefs, the bbc should apologise. think, should apologise. you'd think, wouldn't ? but sometimes wouldn't you? but sometimes people hold moral high people who hold the moral high ground should. ground don't feel they should. tony the had wrong tony says the bbc had that wrong article out for too long. they should apologise . absolutely. should apologise. absolutely. well, carry on with the well, let's carry on with the debate because we're going head to head again on this one. nearly 7000 landlords are on the watch list over mortgage arrears. is according to watch list over mortgage arre daily is according to watch list over mortgage arredaily mail. according to watch list over mortgage arredaily mail. now,ding to watch list over mortgage arre daily mail. now, figures the daily mail. now, figures show almost 1000 investors joined this list over the past three months, with average rents across britain reaching record highs. are landlords to blame or are rising interest rates forcing landlords to sell up and ditch the buy to let dream or charge their tenants more? well, let's see what my head to head to think of that. joining me, brexit party mep ben habib and former pr adviser to jeremy corbyn, james schneider. james let's start with you . have you let's start with you. have you ever been a landlord? no have

you ever needed a landlord ? you ever needed a landlord? >> i'm a tenant, so yes. >> you're a tenant. so so what do you think of has your landlord put the prices up recently or a little bit? >> yes . and i don't think >> yes. and i don't think landlords in general are being treated unfairly. but what i am worried about, you say 7000 by to let landlords risk of being repossessed. that's 7000 homes, 7000 families of people evicted with very short notice . so with very short notice. so i think there very clearly needs to be some kind of strategic intervention into the market. what what i would do is deposit from tenants is about £4 billion. and that money is basically just sitting there, not really doing very much. i would use that to capitalise a policy bank whose aim was to reduce the cost of housing. >> so you're going to gamble? can the money or it can they lose the money or is it just what would just sitting there? what would why sitting there? just sitting there? what would wthell, sitting there? just sitting there? what would wthell, it's sitting there? just sitting there? what would wthell, it's insured ng there? just sitting there? what would wthell, it's insured in there? >> well, it's insured in a tendency deposit scheme or something would take something similar. i would take that take that 4 billion. that is, isn't doing very much and

capitalise as a policy bank, which could then lend for particular purposes . for particular purposes. for example, if you were a buy to let landlord and you're a home is underwater so that policy bank could buy the home from you.the bank could buy the home from you. the tenants don't have to move out and you don't you aren't hit by the financial problem of being repossessed. it could also fund social housing. it could help tenants buy their homes. and in those ones, it could move from a private market rates to social rates because the rents are far too high. so that's you know, earlier we were talking about what kind of what's like strategic socialist intervention. i think that's one we use the what's sitting around. we find an entrepreneurial solution which would benefit for people to bnng would benefit for people to bring down the cost of housing. would that work? >> ben the proof of the pudding would be in the eating. >> it's a it's quite a complex scheme that james described. i'd have to go into the detail of it . i don't think, by the way,

that 7000 landlords being potentially on the arrears list is going to result in the tenancies necessarily being terminated if banks foreclose those and take these properties off them, then there likely to wish to keep the income going. i can't see many banks wanting to turf out. >> well, they might want to sell it. >> they'll sell. they might want to sell it. they don't want to be managers. no, they be property managers. no, they might it. but might want to sell it. but in the short term, the key for a bank be to keep income bank will be to keep income going, because what's going, you know, because what's causing what's causing the default it's absence of the default? it's an absence of the mortgagee to afford mortgagee being able to afford the payment . i do know of some the payment. i do know of some horror stories by the way, in london rents gone . london where rents have gone. yesterday was talking to yesterday i was talking to friend gone from friend of mine rents gone from £2,000 a month to an asking of 3500. wow and so that's you know what is that 75% increase in rent . and there's a negotiation rent. and there's a negotiation going on. but the minimum that's going on. but the minimum that's going to have to be paid in order to retain the tenancy is 2800. so order to retain the tenancy is 2800. so that's a huge increase in rent. that's taking place and

it's taking place because interest rates are up , because interest rates are up, because the cost of the cost of services are up because of inflation in the labour market, inflation in utilities, etcetera, etcetera . utilities, etcetera, etcetera. it's knocking on right through the right through the markets. >> also some of the changes in the rules with which landlords can capitalise. so for example, you charged, you're charged you are charged, you're charged on the amount of money you make from property than from the property rather than the interest the deduction of the interest that pay on that you pay on the on the repayment mortgage. yeah repayment of the mortgage. yeah >> know, there's a huge >> so, you know, there's a huge number of different issues that are coming together to make this are coming together to make this a perfect storm for the residential market, both for landlords and for tenants . and i landlords and for tenants. and i think real issue here is how think the real issue here is how tenants are going to afford to get as get through this, as well as landlords . and we don't want the landlords. and we don't want the landlords. and we don't want the landlord market broken. >> but do you think this has been orchestrated by a very badly planned and disassociated conservative government who did not implications of not consider the implications of the that they were the things that they were putting forward? >> i think the think the >> i think the i think the conservative on conservative government on housing all over the housing has been all over the

place. you know , place. they wanted, you know, what they call press market, what they call a press market, you know, rental market, right. but then they've put in policies which are at sixes and sevens to that. they've they added stamp duty. if you buy a second property, you pay an additional 3. they removed the ability to offset costs against your income before you, you know, you pay tax on the net amount . so tax on the net amount. so they've encouraged landlords to come into the market and then penalise them when they've come in and of course, you don't create what you want is a fluid supply of property. if you have a fluid supply , you have lower a fluid supply, you have lower property costs and therefore lower rental costs. everyone benefits the minute you start trying to yank. and this is the thing i'd have to look at with james's proposal . the minute you james's proposal. the minute you try to yank stuff one way or another, you have unintended consequences on on supply and that then typically leads to rents going up . rents going up. >> but there's always been this thing that the landlord or the

evil landlord, this, that and the other evil landlord and most landlords, the majority of people are people who are landlords are simply so simply accidental landlords. so like i a landlord because like i was a landlord because i had another property and you know what i i sold one and know what i mean? i sold one and i in one, moved to i lived in one, then moved to another it was totally another one and it was totally by i became by accident that i became landlord time. one of landlord at the time. one of them in negative them would have been in negative equity. so it wasn't worth, you know, are that know, and most people are that not landlords that are not the evil landlords that are the manipur hate not the evil landlords that are the and manipur hate not the evil landlords that are the and do iianipur hate not the evil landlords that are the and do you pur hate not the evil landlords that are the and do you think|te not the evil landlords that are the and do you think that things. and do you think that what the result what will actually be the result of this is that it'll actually bnng of this is that it'll actually bring down the prices of houses and more people will actually be able buy their own homes? and more people will actually be able well, their own homes? and more people will actually be able well, sadly, wn homes? and more people will actually be able well, sadly, not.iomes? james well, sadly, not. >> i mean, i don't think it's a moral point anyway. what are we talking about? the cost of housing for people is too high. both mortgages , and both rents and mortgages, and there are policy solutions that could be brought forward which would bring those down. mean, would bring those down. i mean, the rates don't need to the interest rates don't need to be up are now. be going up as they are now. politicians can't do anything about that. our elected government anything government can't do anything about they well they should. >> they should. they should be able and of course you could able to. and of course you could in you could. in theory you

could. you could those could. you could claim those powers. shouldn't powers. interest rates shouldn't be up. that is what's be going up. that is what's having knock on having all this this knock on effect. let's what are the ways that reduce housing that we could reduce housing costs? because ultimately, if people are spending less money on and mortgages, they've on rents and mortgages, they've got money savings , more got more money for savings, more money in the money for spending in the economy, better for everybody. >> i think the banks should just get act together, bring get their act together, bring down rates, because get their act together, bring down really rates, because get their act together, bring down really doingtes, because get their act together, bring down really doing anything. se it's not really doing anything. >> england over doing it. >> absolutely over killing it. i don't it's it as don't know why it's doing it as well, because it's a global issue. a we used to issue. it's not a we used to before when was like before when it was like a regional thing. when banks regional type thing. when banks when interest an when the interest rate had an impact. we're a global impact. but now we're a global economy, it doesn't make any economy, so it doesn't make any sense don't really have sense that we don't really have any control over the rest sense that we don't really have anthe control over the rest sense that we don't really have anthe world trol over the rest sense that we don't really have anthe world anyway. the rest sense that we don't really have anthe world anyway. but rest do of the world anyway. but what do you a partner who you think of this? a partner who listens, responds and appreciates you. how does that sound? an sound? a relationship, an intimacy on your terms . oh, intimacy on your terms. oh, imagine that. just just. just with a glorified robot . that's with a glorified robot. that's the only thing . well, that's the only thing. well, that's what ever i is the only thing. well, that's whatever i is offering. when you sign up to the app now, it prompts you to create the perfect partner. you can build a

funny, shy or strict partner with the option to even send explicit messages and photos as hollywood actors and writers strike over the fees of ai that it could steal them their jobs. this week, what do you think? could i a form a google exec said that artificial intelligence would create a very significant redesign of love and relationships. so do you think that i actually has a possibility of replacing human relationships ? ben, would you relationships? ben, would you like an ai ? like an ai? >> well, an ai can't massage you, can it? >> i don't know what you're going to say. then i you can. >> there's no physical interaction , is there? interaction, is there? >> you can have a machine. >> you can have a machine. >> it's kind of weird. no, i. well, maybe i'm the wrong age, but, you know, for me, i don't think i could even begin to replace a physical relationship . a proper, physical, interactive , conversational interactive, conversational relationship . relationship. >> but what if it talks to you exactly how you want to be talked to and. well, that's lovely. and you're with somebody who's a relationship.

>> relationship >> well, the relationship is between people. they aren't between 2—2 people. they aren't going to agree on everything they've got different personalities they've got. >> that's great drawback personalities they've got. >> relationship.t drawback the relationship. >> different >> they've got different things. i think that is i think that's i think that is the problem. >> problem, isn't it? >> but but that's what part of what makes it real and makes us human. and that you can human. and the idea that you can just of type in, well, just sort of type in, well, i want someone be nice to me in want someone to be nice to me in this particular way. and it comes it makes it not comes up i mean, it makes it not real. we already have our real. we already have in our society far few human society far too few human relationships, too much isolation posting isolation and people posting alone. solution to alone. this isn't a solution to that at all. this is making that worse. really. >> what about somebody who's lonely and something is talking to them and keeping them sort of their spirits up? that their spirits up? surely that can't necessarily be bad can't necessarily be a bad thing. would be you know, thing. that would be you know, that's i think that as a relationship, i as relationship, i think as a society, get to decide what society, we get to decide what kinds of technologies, what kinds of technologies, what kinds of technologies, what kinds of things are given support and which ones get get reined in, and also what types of social technologies , what of social technologies, what what things happen in communities , how people get to communities, how people get to know other and we're really

know each other and we're really going down the wrong route. >> if we're deciding we've i don't know, we've we've we aren't social enough . we don't aren't social enough. we don't hang out with each other enough. we don't spend enough time with our families. i know. let's let's a speech. let's get a it's just a speech. let's have a fictional relationship. >> it's just not really. >> it's just not really. >> no , no. because >> no, no, no. because when i was younger, used to was younger, i used to love a little panda. i it on little panda. panda. i put it on a and i used to drag it a string and i used to drag it around me. and i would around with me. and i would speak and then pandy speak to panda and then pandy would speak back, would do would speak back, but i would do the so it's the same the words. so it's the same thing, same thing. the words. so it's the same thira. same thing. the words. so it's the same thira perfect�*ne thing. the words. so it's the same thira perfect relationship. >> a perfect relationship. >> a perfect relationship. >> if it was perfect and it was cute, i could cuddle it . >> if it was perfect and it was cute, i could cuddle it. i'd say. andy, how do you feel about me? you're amazing. i know. you're you're the you're the worst. you're the worst . it was great. yeah worst. it was great. yeah >> you're winning me over. exactly >> that is, i. i love that. >> know. fantastic. i mean, i suppose, you know, on a serious note, i suppose a bit of concern here would be what happens with all the info that you've handed over to this relationship. >> it could be evil, couldn't it? there was there was it? because there was there was hardly good, it? hardly going to be good, is it? >> oh , you've given us all this

>> oh, you've given us all this information about yourself, which oh no, which we could use as oh no, we're not to use we're just not going to use that. not to going sell that. we're not to going sell you. i mean, how's that ever happened? ever. you know, mark zuckerberg, ten ago will zuckerberg, ten years ago will never use your data. it's your data on the platform , right . data on the platform, right. >> and then you're doing something. you think, oh, how did they know that? i want some cookies. it's cookies. cookies cookies. it's alexa. is listening. alexa. alexa is listening. >> coots might have said the same nigel, but. same to nigel, but. >> but seriously, though, i could be a positive thing, though in some respects. and it is in many ways. so why not have it as something would it as something that would help with it as something that would help witiwell, think i should be >> well, i think i should be used as a tool. and i mean , used as a tool. and i mean, well, there are two things. one, there's the little stuff that we have now, chatgpt and whatever, you that as a little you know, use that as a little as a little tool, as a basically like, you have your own little researcher there that does not very quality , but a little very good quality, but a little bit something. but there is bit of something. but there is something significant something more significant about it, there they're it, which is there they're talking at a point which talking about at a point which artificial intelligence becomes properly self—aware rather than

just language machine, rather just a language machine, rather than pretending it gives a than just pretending it gives a good pretence and that's where things become a little bit worrying. and i think there we should treat that like large should treat that like the large hadron collider amazing scientific advance loads of interesting things. but potentially very, very dangerous. so if it's multinational research centre that that does it and it isn't people chasing how they can get more data in order to sell you more data in order to sell you more ads. so i think that kind of high end research is very interesting, should happen, could yield us great advances, but shouldn't be held by but it shouldn't be held by companies that just want to sell us . and it's to us advertising. and it's got to be entrapment on a massive scale. >> that's where it would go in the end. that's where it would go. where it would go. that's where it would go. it'll of. it'll be taken advantage of. even they promised you even though they promised you that it will never be taken advantage will. advantage of, of course it will. and but and yeah, it's unfortunate, but l, and yeah, it's unfortunate, but i, i don't. i don't mind it. >> yeah. no, i can see. i can see the attraction every morning telling me how wonderful i am instead of, uh, get us a cup of tea. >> that's how the last one

vanished. that's how we went, you know, but. but of you been getting in touch with your thoughts? keep them coming. gb views or tweet me views out gbnews.com or tweet me at news. let's have a look at at gb news. let's have a look at what been saying on what you've been saying on brexit. brexit can brexit. pamela says brexit can be successif brexit. pamela says brexit can be success if the be a great success if the remoaners to make it remoaners determined to make it work instead of not delivering it. richard says brexit will be a success when we leave properly. yeah, that's the point that you made, ben absolutely right. we are to going because otherwise we'll be leaving northern ireland behind. uh, yvonne says, i love, yvonne says, i would love, i would yougov didn't would vote leave yougov didn't ask nana that's the thing ask me nana that's the thing with things yougov, with these things like yougov, i wonder their wonder where they get their information it an even information from. is it an even poll? where did they take the questioning did they questioning from? who did they ask? way it goes. ask? that's the way it goes. well, stay tuned. well, listen, stay tuned. displays more to on gb displays more here to come on gb news. got a monologue where news. i've got a monologue where i'm talking the hashtag be i'm talking about the hashtag be kind all of that on the kind crew, all of that on the way. still to come in the next hour for great british hour for the great british debate, be asking, do the debate, i'll be asking, do the culture matter you? culture wars matter to you? plus, mystery guest plus, i've got a mystery guest at tuned. that's at five. stay tuned. that's all on way your latest on the way after your latest news temperature's rising . >> the temperature's rising. boxt solar proud sponsors of

weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello and welcome to your latest weather update from the met office. i'm marco petagna. we on to unsettled weather we hold on to unsettled weather across the uk during the week ahead. there'll be rain at ahead. there'll be some rain at times areas and times in all areas and temperatures staying pretty disappointing time of disappointing for the time of year got a fairly year too. we've got a fairly deep low pressure deep area of low pressure in charge at the charge with weather just at the moment. gradually moment. it gradually starts to pull the east over pull away towards the east over the next 24 hours so. but the next 24 hours or so. but a slow moving band rain will slow moving band of rain will affect central slice the affect the central slice of the uk head through uk as we head through the evening the overnight evening and during the overnight penod evening and during the overnight period bursts of period. some heavy bursts of rain of england rain across the north of england for that's flipping rain across the north of england for way that's flipping rain across the north of england for way south that's flipping rain across the north of england for way south into il's flipping rain across the north of england for way south into the lipping rain across the north of england forway south into the midlands, its way south into the midlands, into parts of wales during the early of to the early hours of monday to the south and south of that clear spells and a few and clearer with a few showers and clearer with a few showers and clearer with a few showers and clearer with a few showers towards the north and northwest of uk well. and northwest of the uk as well. here we'll see the lowest temperatures into single temperatures dipping into single figures. but down towards the south it's pretty south and southeast, it's pretty warm. holding south and southeast, it's pretty wa|in. holding south and southeast, it's pretty wa|in the holding south and southeast, it's pretty wa|in the mid holding south and southeast, it's pretty wa|in the mid teens holding south and southeast, it's pretty wa|in the mid teens celsius lding south and southeast, it's pretty wa|in the mid teens celsius ding south and southeast, it's pretty wa|in the mid teens celsius . as; up in the mid teens celsius. as for with that band of for monday, with that band of rain continue to affect the rain will continue to affect the south of uk are going to be south of the uk are going to be a few bursts in places in

a few heavy bursts in places in the southeast. see the far southeast. could see some skies off some brighter skies setting off some heavy showers and towards the northwest, the north and northwest, brighter, clearer, fresher weather from the north weather moving in from the north and as we through and northwest as we go through the temperatures still the day. temperatures still struggling year struggling for the time of year , no better than the mid teens in few northern spots, perhaps in a few northern spots, perhaps peaking at 20 degrees peaking at 19 or 20 degrees towards the south southeast. towards the south and southeast. 20 68in fahrenheit. 20 is 68in fahrenheit. as for tuesday , it's a case of sunshine tuesday, it's a case of sunshine and showers across the uk. the southeast seeing of the southeast seeing most of the showers during the morning, but a showers packing in a rash of showers packing in towards northwest towards the north and northwest throughout towards the north and northwest throughcgive way to more showers give way to more widespread wednesday and widespread rain on wednesday and a to sunshine and showers a return to sunshine and showers on thursday . on thursday. >> the temperatures rising on boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> so this is a gb news. stay tuned. i've got my monologue on the way. more to come in the next hour. don't go anywhere .

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cook, have all cancelled flights to the island until the end of the month. gb news spoke to a british tourist who was evacuated overnight . evacuated overnight. >> we noticed sort of the middle of the last week , lots of smoke of the last week, lots of smoke coming over the mountains towards the sea where we were staying . the smoke sort of got staying. the smoke sort of got thicker and thicker through the week . the levelling up secretary week. the levelling up secretary is warning against treating the environment as a religious crusade, as he calls for a relaxation of some net zero measures in an interview with the telegraph, michael gove said that inflexible rules will lead to an inevitable backlash. >> the proposed expansion of the ultra low emission zone was widely blamed for labour failing to win the seat of uxbridge and south ruislip chris sked moore, who chaired the tories net zero review, argues that climate policies consistently poll third among issues voters care about

andignonng among issues voters care about and ignoring those concerns would be bad politics. conservative mp and gb news presenter jacob conservative mp and gb news presenterjacob rees—mogg conservative mp and gb news presenter jacob rees—mogg told us he thinks that net zero is a waste of money. >> i would certainly get rid of the pledge to get rid of petrol cars in 2030, that that was done a few years ago in different circumstance cases i would get rid of the plans in the energy bill to put extra charges on people and have extra certificates for people selling their houses, owning property and so on. i would get rid of things that apply direct costs, having a long term ambition for net zero is different, and working towards it, but we need to think about what other countries are doing, what is proportion fit and what is affordable . affordable. >> the uk's banking sector is set to reveal another round of strong profits as lenders reap the rewards of expensive borrowing costs . major banks borrowing costs. major banks beat expectations in their first

quarter, helped by a rise in interest rates, which currently stands at 5. but some analysts predict an increase in arrears as borrowers struggle to keep up with higher repayments. banks have also been criticised by mps for failing to raise interest rates on savings accounts in line with the bank of england's base rate at ukraine's president says he had hoped to start a counter—offensive against russia earlier but lacked the necessary weapons. vladimir zelenskyy told cnn that the delay allowed russia time to build several lines of defence, complicating his country's ability to fight back against the invasion . his back against the invasion. his comments come after russia pummelled the city of odesa in southern ukraine, killing at least one person and damaging scores of historical buildings as more shops could be converted into homes and extensions made easier as the government launches a review of building rules in proposals to be formally announced tomorrow . new

formally announced tomorrow. new freedoms to enlarge existing homes will also be outlined . the homes will also be outlined. the government says the idea is to make it easier to build upwards and outwards, with new extensions and loft conversions, new measures will see shops, takeaways and betting shops turned into living spaces , with turned into living spaces, with michael gove arguing that britain must make better use of the buildings we already have. planning minister lee riley says it's a positive move. >> the importance behind housebuilding is so that it gives people the ability to own their own homes, to get on the housing ladder , to make sure housing ladder, to make sure that people can build capital, can get can, can, can start a family. and that's hugely important. so we've made some progress , but there's more to progress, but there's more to do, which is why my course is going to announce tomorrow some further changes, which hopefully will more homes, but also will build more homes, but also vitally them in the right vitally build them in the right places . places. >> cinemas all over the world are pink with glee following the release of barbie. among those joining in the fun is prime

minister rishi sunak, who went to see the film with his family . the satire starring margot robbie as the world's most recognisable doll , scored the recognisable doll, scored the highest ticket sales of highest preview ticket sales of the year, even surpassing the most recent spider—man film . most recent spider—man film. well, analysts say it's leading what looks like to be one of the most lucrative box office weekends of all time . and weekends of all time. and finally , the british pop singer finally, the british pop singer vince hill has died at the age of 89. hey . little one, i, i say of 89. hey. little one, i, i say little, right? >> his version of edelweiss first heard in the sound of music reached number two on the uk charts in 1967. >> in a career that included 25 studio albums , he worked with studio albums, he worked with some of britain's best loved musical legends, including dame vera lynn and cilla black . he vera lynn and cilla black. he passed away peacefully at home in oxfordshire . this is gb news.

in oxfordshire. this is gb news. we will, of course , bring you we will, of course, bring you more as it happens. now, though , back to nana. >> thank you. rory, you're with me. i'm nana akua. that's better . you're with me. me. i'm nana akua. that's better .you're with me. i'm narinder kaur. .you're with me. i'm narinder kaur . this is gb news on tv kaur. this is gb news on tv onune kaur. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio is just coming up to seven minutes after 4:00. i'd like to call this one hashtag. be kind and use the hashtag be kind. gang strike again . so busy holding strike again. so busy holding the moral high ground that they feel whatever they do and however they behave is justified because in their eyes, they are full of goodness. but the hashtag be kind group risks being overrun by cancel culture. take the advertising industry . take the advertising industry. years ago, i worked in sponsorship and when a client sponsored something , they linked sponsored something, they linked their product with the brand values of the thing they were

sponsoring. but advertising, which was cheaper, was just about reaching an audience irrespective of their views . but irrespective of their views. but something has happened . and now something has happened. and now so—called hashtag or be kind groups are orchestrating boycotts and we all know about that here at gb news culture is advertising or can a group of which five of the biggest advertisers are part is staffed by activists who were involved in the stop funding hate group, who have done everything in their power to deter companies from advertising on some centre right and more right leaning media outlets and anything goes gb news the sun, the daily mail have all been at the receiving end of the boycotts aimed at removing their ability to fund themselves is now can supposedly we are helping brands improve their things like hate speech and misinformation and diversity . but you could argue that they are in fact the exact opposite of these. for example, how diverse are you if you cannot handle another point of view and

if you cancel something before it has even been aired on the bafis it has even been aired on the basis that it might be racist, like, example, in the case like, for example, in the case of gb news, i mean, how do you know what will be? who is know what it will be? who is the one spreading misinformation one spreading the misinformation on? take dear friend gary on? take our dear friend gary lineker when he's not criticising the language used by the government and comparing it to germany, germany , or to germany, germany, or displaying virtues by displaying his virtues by preaching in support of lgbtq+ rights whilst collecting an eye—watering pay packet for his commentary in qatar. hashtag be kind. gary lineker is taking part in things like this is a documentary in which failed entrepreneur marcus ball, who has a history of attempting to smear boris, alleged that the former prime minister lied about nearly dying from covid. marcus claimed that it was in fact a terrible lie that boris made, which was designed to manipulate the public. back in the trailer for this film or documentary, which was miraculously removed from youtube shortly after the mail on sunday, consulted gary

for his part in it, where gary was apparently saying that the pubuc was apparently saying that the public deserve to know the truth. he later complained he was unaware of the smear against boris. this is gary. he claimed he didn't. he wasn't aware. but why on earth would he or anyone think to question whether boris was lying about being at death's door ? well, i mean, it would be door? well, i mean, it would be some major orchestrated piece of work to get all the doctors and nurses to corroborate such a nonsense claim. but it seems the hashtag be kind troop are actually the most unkind people going. they want people cancelled the treatment of nigel farage, who didn't align with the political values of coots, which which are what exactly we question in that we can leave someone on as a non—person. but dare you suggest fighting for your own country sovereignty or retweet a joke which called actual women the old fashioned ones. then they're the first to call you racist or disingenuous, which they called him, and a disingenuous grifter, in fact, were their exact words . the were their exact words. the vitriol on social media from

supposedly hashtag bekind individuals towards nigel was on another level. and whilst there was an apology of sorts from coots getting them to row back on their behaviour is now an impossible take. the bbc. it's like pulling teeth. they simply believe that cannot be believe that they cannot be wrong . suella braverman branded wrong. suella braverman branded coots banks closure of nigel farage accounts as sinister and said that banks need a major rethink of their woke policies as she blamed diversity equality and inclusion. it seems that the hashtag be kind troop are only kind if you agree with their point of view . well, before we point of view. well, before we get into talking to the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate. this hour. i'm asking, do the culture wars matter to you? surprise you? was the surprise by—election victory for the tories this week with keir starmer dismissing the culture wars finally, wars and rishi sunak finally, finally paying them more attention? might it swing your vote coming up at 450

vote then coming up at 450 worldview, we'll head to the us where a trial date has now been set for donald trump's classified documents case and belarusian president lukashenko has met with vladimir putin in saint petersburg this morning. then stay tuned at five. it's this week's outside . now this my this week's outside. now this my mystery guest. he's an 80s comedy legend who performed alongside icons such as dame shirley bassey and sir tom jones . he's a constant presence on the screens throughout the 80s and 90s and an accomplished golfer. he's played in major celebrity golf tournaments across the uk and europe. any guesses? stay tuned. that's coming up in outside just after 5:00. that's on the way in the next hour. as ever, tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. email gbviews@gbnews.com me gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb news. gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at. gb news. right. let's gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb news. right. let's get at. gb news. right. let's get started. let's welcome again to my panel , journalist and my panel, journalist and commentator danny kelly. do you want to be a commentator or

broadcaster? >> i've never fancied being a commentator. i'm a journalist and a broadcaster. >> well, that's what i thought it don't know who's been it was. i don't know who's been messing with the messing around with the commentator a sudden, but commentator all of a sudden, but it's great here. it's great to be here. >> £3 than last week. >> £3 lighter than last week. >> £3 lighter than last week. >> thank you you >> hey, thank you about you joining and to joining us and coming to broadcast. joining us and coming to bro sorry.. joining us and coming to bro sorry. danny as >> sorry. danny kelly. as a former party adviser, former labour party adviser, matthew thank very matthew lazar, thank you very much matthew, much forjoining us. matthew, thank joining thank you for joining in. >> my pleasure. it's lovely >> it's my pleasure. it's lovely to here. >> it's my pleasure. it's lovely to it's ere. >> it's my pleasure. it's lovely to it's my first time with you. >> it's my first time with you. >> it's my first time with you. >> know. i'll be gentle. >> i know. i'll be gentle. oh, please. not please. i don't bite. not without good reason. without a good reason. >> don't give you one. >> i hope i don't give you one. so let's start you, danny, so let's start with you, danny, because how it works here. >> okay, so what do you think of this? this hashtag bekind? it's like me, they are like a honestly, to me, they are literally hate filled literally the most hate filled individuals in most cases when it things like this. individuals in most cases when it what things like this. individuals in most cases when it what do :hings like this. individuals in most cases when it what do youis like this. individuals in most cases when it what do you think?this. but what do you think? >> scouser an >> i'm a scouser and i'm an everton fan and i love gary lineker. i to lineker. and i used to love lineker. and i used to love lineker until went lineker until he went onto twitter . ex—bbc matthews twitter. i'm ex—bbc matthews ex—bbc needs to ex—bbc and gary lineker needs to undermine. so gary gary undermine. yeah so gary gary lineker to understand how lineker needs to understand how unpopular is amongst people unpopular he is amongst people at the bbc because with his twitter account, he more to twitter account, he does more to defund the bbc than any organisation like defund the

bbc. is the poster boy for bbc. he is the poster boy for defunding the bbc and it's a real shame that he can't put his arrogance to side just arrogance to one side and just stop tweeting politically. the suggestion that boris johnson actually feigned this illness was so persuasive with his acting that he managed to convince itu intensive care unit icu , forgive me, icu doctors icu, forgive me, icu doctors that he was on death's door. the guy deserves an oscar. it's just a complete farce and it's fanciful . and the fact is, is fanciful. and the fact is, is that if you are on this side of the culture wars, which i know we're going to discuss later, then can say whatever you then you can say whatever you want. you're almost behind an impenetrable shield of moral justice superior authority justice and superior authority that you can say what you want your defence, of course, is that you're to protect a you're trying to protect a minority so you can be as minority group so you can be as nasty as you want people nasty as you want to. people >> well, of course, barry, gary in his defence would say, i in his defence would say, and i know for me to do know it's tough for me to do this, i'm say it, this, but i'm going to say it, but he say that did not but he would say that he did not he aware that this he wasn't aware that this particular documentary was actually concerted to actually a concerted effort to do i just respond to that?

>> well, then i would suggest that? >> lpeoplean i would suggest that? >> \.people trollrvould suggest that? >> \.people troll through ggest that? >> \.people troll through gary: that people troll through gary lineker's twitter feed. even though twitter, i can though i'm not on twitter, i can still see what he writes. he is so boris so so anti boris johnson, so pro—immigration and so anti anything that actually opposes this woke side of this liberal woke side of things. and that's in writing. >> well, and he did immediately disassociate himself with it because they simply put the trailer out there and he was on to straight away, which is to them straight away, which is probably why the trailer disappeared. but the fact that he in the first he was even on it in the first place is questionable. but. matthew yeah , i mean, think matthew yeah, i mean, i think it's lineker it's very odd for gary lineker to a documentary like to be doing a documentary like that asking few that without asking a few questions. that without asking a few questi0|know, may well be the >> you know, it may well be the case misled case that the producer misled him absolutely clear. him or wasn't absolutely clear. but, you're gary but, you know, if you're gary lineker, you're high lineker, if you're that high profile, particularly if profile, and particularly if you've many issues to you've had so many issues to deal with over the few deal with over the last few over the months the last the last few months and the last couple i think couple of years, then i think i would ask some more questions first, because, look, there are many, example, many, many reasons, for example, to johnson. but many, many reasons, for example, to danny johnson. but many, many reasons, for example, to danny pretendinqut many, many reasons, for example, to danny pretending that as danny says, pretending that he is not of he wasn't dying is not one of them. is that it them. and my fear is that it takes away from legitimate criticism of people when, you know, kind of daft things like this are said and it just

becomes it just becomes a nonsense, really , and the debate nonsense, really, and the debate just becomes polarised. the people on one side, people thinking on one side, everything's the everything's right and on the other everything's right. everything's right and on the oth what everything's right. everything's right and on the oth what everytthinky right. everything's right and on the oth what everytthinky rigthe >> what do you think of the whole of because it does whole sort of because it does feel, example, stop funding, feel, for example, stop funding, hate are hate these campaigns that are stopping advertisers from putting onto putting their products onto channels like gb news. yet they're complaining. they're claiming they're stop claiming that they're stop funding but they're funding hate, but they're doing exactly they're exactly the thing that they're they're themselves i >> -- >> well, emma >> well, let's hope that if they're whoever was they're calling for whoever was advertising on the youtube trailer before it was swiftly removed be cancelled as well, removed to be cancelled as well, you , if you need to let you know, if you need to let a thousand flowers bloom, i'm very against things. i'm against cancelling things. i'm very against campaigns because anybody who's on the left knows that the left was traditionally the people who were on the blacklist, the people who people said talking said were no, you know, talking to you know, it wasn't to the bbc, you know, it wasn't that anybody that long ago that anybody who was communist from was a communist was sacked from the bbc, you know, or even had communist about that. >> was that true? >> was that true? >> it is absolutely a communist. they and 60s, they did in the 50s and 60s, people lots of kind people were there's lots of kind of even people who kind of of and even people who kind of had or parents. now

had had links or parents. now we're 30, 40, 40 years we're talking 30, 40, 40 years ago, you know, wasn't ago, but you know, it wasn't a goodidea ago, but you know, it wasn't a good idea to be cancelling people then on that side the people then on that side of the argument. good it's argument. it's not a good it's not good idea to be cancelling not a good idea to be cancelling people of the people on the other side of the argument. you should do is argument. what you should do is you not cancel them beat, you not cancel them but beat, you not cancel them but beat, you their arguments you know, beat their arguments down you disagree with down if you disagree with them and and and actually have a debate and you if you're you don't do that if you're saying don't advertise or you shouldn't be allowed on this platform it's interesting, as >> well, it's interesting, as well regard nigel farage well with regard to nigel farage as danny, the vitriol as well, danny, all the vitriol that out people that was coming out from people who on who if you look and click on some you know, you say, some of their you know, you say, oh, i'm a loving person or oh, i'm a a loving person or have loving mother wife oh, i'm a a loving person or have kids/ing mother wife oh, i'm a a loving person or have kids and,nother wife oh, i'm a a loving person or have kids and, yower wife oh, i'm a a loving person or have kids and, you know, wife oh, i'm a a loving person or have kids and, you know, and; have kids and, you know, and they will be saying, well, you know, him right. know, serves him right. >> you know, it's almost turned into tribal >> you know, it's almost turned into and tribal >> you know, it's almost turned into and impossible. nature and it's impossible. it was to great hear matthew actually concede actually almost concede that it's an mind it's good to have an open mind with other people's views and not to cancel, because i think you're well, you're you're very well, i think you're in minority of this in the minority of this culture wars. i really do. because these people i go back to my impenetrable shield of moral superiority. 80 and the slogans stop funding hate. it's incredibly powerful because if

you say , hang on, i want to you say, hang on, i want to advertise, but they say, well, we're from stop funding hate . we're from stop funding hate. then a sudden you are then all of a sudden you are thrown into that bunch of hate. >> it's like you used the >> but it's like you used the word fascist, isn't it? i mean, anybody disagrees with anybody who disagrees with you is fascist. and is now a fascist. and that's that's because that's dreadful because actually fascism and a fascism is a thing and it's a thing we all need to ward against. and i think we'd all agree if you use agree about that. and if you use it, boy who wolf, it, if the boy who cries wolf, you know, dilutes dilutes you know, dilutes it dilutes the definition, somebody you know, dilutes it dilutes the definitio called somebody you know, dilutes it dilutes the definitiocalled me somebody you know, dilutes it dilutes the definitio called me that. |ebody recently called me that. >> sent them the >> so i then sent them the definition and said, i think you need to learn what the word actually means. yeah but if you're us, welcome you're just joining us, welcome on this is gb news on tv, on board this is gb news on tv, onune on board this is gb news on tv, online digital radio. online and on digital radio. still my mystery still to come, my mystery outside to be outside guest is going to be with at 5:00 and 80s. comedy with me at 5:00 and 80s. comedy legend performed the legend performed some of the best with legend performed some of the bes'best with legend performed some of the bes'best in with legend performed some of the bes'best in the with legend performed some of the bes'best in the business. with legend performed some of the bes'best in the business. sorry.| the best in the business. sorry. you'll know him from you'll know him sort of camp persona him by his sort of camp persona and wonderful catchphrases. and his wonderful catchphrases. you'll who he is at you'll find out who he is at around about 5:00. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on gb news

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and all those other issues and beat labour following the by—election wins for the tories in uxbridge, senior conservative are calling on the government to drop the demanding aims to reach net zero in order to differentiate themselves from the labour party . but what the labour party. but what matters to you the most , but matters to you the most, but what matters to you the most? is it the culture wars or is it economic prosperity? so for the great british debate, this hour, economic prosperity? so for the gretaskingh debate, this hour, economic prosperity? so for the gretasking do debate, this hour, economic prosperity? so for the gretasking do the te, this hour, economic prosperity? so for the gretasking do the culture hour, economic prosperity? so for the gretasking do the culture wars i'm asking do the culture wars matter to you? well, i'm joined now habib, former member now by ben habib, former member of five mep reform uk. james of five mep and reform uk. james schneider, former adviser to jeremy corbyn. neil hamilton , jeremy corbyn. neil hamilton, leader of ukip, and also neil fox, legendary dj and broadcaster. fox, legendary dj and broadcaster . all fox, legendary dj and broadcaster. all right. i'm going to start actually with you actually, neil. neil, do the culture wars matter ? culture wars matter? >> well, they do, but it's not a zero sum game here. >> i don't think that the tories will win an election just by concentrating on culture wars. then they're not going to win the election anyway because the problem it's far problem with them is it's far too late for words . too late for words. >> the actions that they'll be

judged by those that they've judged by are those that they've taken already , which have taken already, which have wrecked economy, wrecked the economy, for example, because of the covid lockdowns or things that lockdowns or or things that they've not done like exerting any kind of control over migration and loads of things they could have done to defend they could have done to defend the interests of free speech, for example. >> or let's just take the nigel farage bank account scandal that the so—called politically exposed person legislation is eu legislation, and that could have been changed at any time since brexit seven years ago. they've done absolutely nothing to deliver on brexit either. so on so many levels the tories have failed or they've actually done things which will make anything absolutely worse . the tax burden absolutely worse. the tax burden is higher now than at any time since the immediate post—war period. >> yeah, but on that, neil, some might argue that the two parties are so similar, pretty much the only thing labour are promising is we are is to continue what we are currently doing. the only thing that differentiates them the that differentiates them are the culture fox look , in culture wars. neil fox look, in answer to your question , the answer to your question, the culture wars matter, of course

they do. >> but i think at this time it's a matter of priorities , isn't it a matter of priorities, isn't it really? because, you know, the last 18 months people have been really hit badly in their pocket, no doubt . you know, pocket, no doubt. you know, mortgage rates, mortgages going up, interest rates going up there are so many problems with with with what's happening in people's accounts and people's bank accounts and personal that i think personal lives that i think that's what people are focusing on at and quite understandably, because you get hit in because if you get hit in your pocket that does pocket and that really does affect your kids and affect you and your kids and everyone and think you everyone else, and i think you know, yes, i want to live in a society where where culture matters and the other things that people have been talking about matter. you know, about matter. but, you know, over few years, you over the last few years, you know, neil hamilton was right when mess that we when i look at the mess that we have with immigration, actually , we look at the mess that brexit has caused and not necessarily the problem with it is brexit has happened. and is that brexit has happened. and since brexit happened, nothing seems to have been done. and i think so even people that probably voted for brexit must be pretty disillusioned with what's happened in the last few

years and i would say me as someone who didn't vote for it, but was very much on the line, it's been real it's really just been a real mess. happening our mess. what's happening with our borders disaster borders is an absolute disaster after continue to after these boats continue to come across. why? i got to be honest , if come across. why? i got to be honest, if someone can come all the over syria and end the way over from syria and end up the coast france and go up on the coast of france and go and find some people to hand their over get on a their £5,000 over to get on a little rubber boat come over little rubber boat to come over here. can't our police, here. why can't our police, special everyone else special forces and everyone else and french go do the same and the french go do the same and the french go do the same and stop it happening, cut it off as a way of curing off at source as a way of curing it? because don't like the off at source as a way of curing it? blivinge don't like the off at source as a way of curing it? bliving in don't like the off at source as a way of curing it? bliving in the 't like the off at source as a way of curing it? bliving in the societyhe off at source as a way of curing it? bliving in the society that idea living in the society that i we're going to as soon i do that we're going to as soon as people arrive over here, the first thing we do is stick them on them over to on a plane and send them over to rwanda. doesn't seem rwanda. that just doesn't seem from rwanda. that just doesn't seem frorwhat's wrong with rwanda, >> what's wrong with rwanda, though? because lots of other. >> what's wrong with rwanda, thithere because lots of other. >> what's wrong with rwanda, thithere somethingyts of other. >> what's wrong with rwanda, thithere somethingyts of owith is there something wrong with rwanda? i think there's rwanda? i don't think there's anything with rwanda whatsoever. >> it's a progressive >> it's a very progressive african nation that's really done an awful lot to change its history over the last 30 years. right. so going a right. so i'm going to be a gorgeous country. these gorgeous country. but these people come and people have come across and they've come it just seems they've come here. it just seems

that literally taking them that we're literally taking them and just send them and then let's just send them somewhere . somewhere else. >> do, preparing society, >> if we do, preparing society, which always have been and which we always have been and which we always have been and which we always have been and which we should be, i know we can't afford all these people coming over here. you said it right there. >> the problem we need to find another solution. and maybe the solution not it solution is can we not cut it off at source? so all these people aren't coming the people aren't coming across the channel well, that's something else we've seen. tories won else we've seen. the tories won in oxbridge because it was really a financial thing. it was ulez people were to going be hit in their pocket if they have to pay day, in their pocket if they have to pay day, they pay another £12.50 a day, they don't it. don't want it. >> okay, let's bring it in. >> okay, well let's bring it in. let's bring in james schneider. the culture wars matter. >> no , not really. and i think >> no, not really. and i think the culture wars are basically letting political class off letting the political class off the . and reason the the hook. and the reason why the tories want to talk about culture wars, the government wants culture wars wants to talk about culture wars is really is because they don't really want about fact that want to talk about the fact that most people in the country are worse off than were when worse off than they were when they and they came into office and almost. and seems like almost. and it seems like basically works. and basically nothing works. and that's that that's the function that the culture wars plays. now, you might a view aspect

might have a view on one aspect or another aspect, that's or another aspect, and that's fine, the more fine, but ultimately, the more time for the government that we're spending talking about that kind of thing is there's less focussed on all these less time focussed on all these other issues where they have failed so badly and so, you know, fundamentally, do i want culture wars which benefits the political class to let themselves off the hook for the mess they've made or focus on economic prosperity for and me, it's absolutely dead clear. it's economic prosperity. >> but some would say that, like i earlier to that i said earlier to neil, that these are so similar. these parties are so similar. benhabib policies are benhabib the policies are literally so similar. they're going same direction going in the same direction anyway. not much anyway. well, there's not much between party between the conservative party and party, and the labour party, but funnily enough , whilst i agree funnily enough, whilst i agree with a what's been said, with a lot of what's been said, i think the culture wars i do think the culture wars are important the important and i think the culture wars are important to the least in the way the extent, at least in the way that they influence economic management and general legislative changes. >> so for example, you know, cuts thought it was acting with social justice on its side when it debunked nigel farage, it was

encouraged to do that through environmental social governance regulations and laws, which gave them a regulatory protective blanket , if you like, them a regulatory protective blanket, if you like, behind which they could decide that nigel farage is views were unacceptable , so they bank him unacceptable, so they bank him and the same applies to immigration. some how through the culture wars it's become established that people coming across through the channel illegally actually should have our sympathy. so lush. for example, a soap company, the other day was advertising saying all refugees welcome, no matter how they get here. apparently aiding and abetting the illegal activity of crossing the channel. and there are lots of examples like this. you know, when i say we should cut taxes. taxes are a historic high. people say, well, you're a right wing fascist and they're coming just because i want to cut taxes and they're coming at me through the cultural dimension and so it's very hard . you know, at one it's very hard. you know, at one level, you can roll your eyes. it's all irrelevant. but at

another level, they're actually using the culture wars to propagate policy decisions , propagate policy decisions, regulations, laws and economic management, which are disastrous for this country. so yes, they do matter . yeah. do matter. yeah. >> thank you, ben habib, a member of reform uk. james schneider, former adviser to jeremy corbyn. neil hamilton , jeremy corbyn. neil hamilton, leader of ukip, and neil fox, legendary dj and broadcaster. thank your thoughts. thank you for your thoughts. this a gb news on tv, online this is a gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. what are your thoughts on that? do they matter? matter to me. matter? they matter to me. i don't but don't know about you, but i second what says. think second what ben says. i think they sort of like funnel they are a sort of like a funnel into rest the world, into into the rest of the world, into the of policy. but the rest of the policy. but after continue after the break, we'll continue with the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, do this hour. and i'm asking, do the to the culture wars matter to you? you'll thoughts of my you'll hear the thoughts of my panel you'll hear the thoughts of my panel, and panel, broadcaster and journalist also journalist danny kelly and also former labour adviser matthew lazan former labour adviser matthew lazar. your lazar. but first, let's get your latest headlines . latest news headlines. >> thank you very much, nana. i'm rory smith in the gb news room. holiday firms are cancelling flights to the greek island of rhodes as wildfires

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forces? join me mark white on. gb news. >> good afternoon. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. it's 39 minutes after 4:00. i'm nana akua . it's time 4:00. i'm nana akua. it's time now for the great british debate this out and i'm asking, do the culture wars matter to you now, the prime minister rishi sunak, is from his party is facing calls from his party to drop the focus on the culture wars and prioritise dealing with illegal migration. the skyrocketing cost of net zero and reducing crime in a bid to avoid an electoral disaster because an electric disaster, i suppose it is the same thing . suppose it is the same thing. it's not the same thing in it. now this comes as backbenchers fear focusing too much on issues such as trans rights , risks or such as trans rights, risks or women's even risks women's rights, even risks dividing the public. when the conservatives could make real dividing the public. when the consein|tives could make real dividing the public. when the conse in their could make real dividing the public. when the conse in their politicalake real gains in their political arguments on crime, immigration and things like that, which they could labour with could beat labour with potentially. what matters to

potentially. but what matters to you most is it the culture wars? is it the economy or are they interlinked? the great interlinked? so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking wars asking do the culture wars matter well let's see matter to you? well let's see what panel make of that. i'm what my panel make of that. i'm joined by journalist and broadcaster danny kelly, also former party adviser former labour party adviser matthew so matthew matthew lazer. right. so matthew laterza, the culture wars are they relevant? are they important? well i think they've blown out of all proportion and i actually i i think that they actually i think sort ironic that think it's sort of ironic that some conservatives are saying let's leave the culture wars alone and focus on our great record because actually, think record because actually, i think that reality the that in reality, the conservative party and the australian electoral gurus who sit inside number ten being paid hundreds of thousands of pounds to up , could hundreds of thousands of pounds to up, could come up with to put up, could come up with the tories electoral strategy, literally playbook from literally copy a playbook from australia and they that australia and they think that culture might save culture wars is what might save the tories because their record in is so poor. the tories because their record in so is so poor. the tories because their record in so i is so poor. the tories because their record in so i think, is so poor. the tories because their record in so i think, youo poor. the tories because their record in so i think, you know, look, >> so i think, you know, look, obviously you, know , obviously when you, you know, break what culture wars break down what culture wars means, they were important issues and there are things that need and there are need to be debated and there are pubuc need to be debated and there are public policy issues that need

to sorted. but overall, to be sorted. but overall, economic prosperity in the future the country isn't just future of the country isn't just about bathroom . about who uses which bathroom. >> yeah, well, it might be it might boil down to might actually boil down to stuff like that since the parties little parties there's very little to decipher of them. >> i don't agree on that. you don't think no, i think don't agree? i think no, i think there is clear red water between the. >> okay. so that's a net zero. >> okay. so that's a net zero. >> well, i mean, i think on net zero, labour zero, i think labour will actually achieve it. and the tories won't. i think on you know, want them of know, we don't want them some of that some that. well that water, some of that. well i think all to achieve net think we all want to achieve net zero not, not when zero but, but not, not when they don't want it, we don't want to achieve at cost people achieve it at the cost of people not being able to heat their homes. >> i don't know the >> i don't know what the obsession zero is obsession with net zero is actually, because this everything anyway. everything is carpet anyway. so i bit. i find parts of it a bit. i think. i don't know whether the science is properly settled. i'd like more in—depth science is properly settled. i'd like aboutore in—depth science is properly settled. i'd like about the n—depth science is properly settled. i'd like about the science] discussion about the science itself we've itself that reaches how we've reached because feel reached that. and because i feel that there's a big money grab and there's of people and there's a lot of people making and that's making a lot of money and that's very detrimental to large parts of like other of the environment. like other countries mining of the environment. like other count|scarce mining of the environment. like other count|scarce resources mining of the environment. like other count|scarce resources and ng those scarce resources and our own going own country as well. i'm going to ask danny. own country as well. i'm going to ithe)anny. own country as well. i'm going to (the question is do the

>> the question is, is do the culture matter to me? yeah. culture wars matter to me? yeah. do they matter to you? okay, well, the culture we have do they matter to you? okay, wellside culture we have do they matter to you? okay, wellside of|lture we have do they matter to you? okay, wellside of thee we have do they matter to you? okay, wellside of the culture ve have do they matter to you? okay, wellside of the culture wars, ye one side of the culture wars, which on which is forced upon us on a daily basis. and to qualify that, got is that, all you've got to do is watch the television. you've got to radio. since to listen to the radio. since the of george floyd back the murder of george floyd back in 2020, whole media in 2020, the whole media landscape changed. so you landscape has changed. so you see disproportionately see a disproportionately high amount colour on amount of people of colour on the example , the the television. for example, the big of the country which big areas of the country which haven't mass haven't been touched by mass migration . and when they watched migration. and when they watched the advert breaks, they'll the itv advert breaks, they'll think they're watching. well, we're you up we're not going to pull you up on television. on that television. >> going to pull you >> no, no, i'm going to pull you up on that. no, no, no, no, because. because that's irrelevant. that. no, because. because that's irre no. nt. that. no, because. because that's irre no. nt. me that. no, because. because that's irre no. nt. me finish. at. no, because. because that's irre no. nt. me finish. letno, because. because that's irre no. nt. me finish. let me no, no. let me finish. let me finish. my. just finish. finish my. i'm just going pull up on it, going to pull you up on it, though, you finish that, though, before you finish that, because going to pull you up because i'm going to pull you up on the idea that on that because the idea that there many of there are too many people of colour on tv in certain parts of adverts stuff who adverts and stuff like that who cares people cares what colour the people are? people. no no, hang are? lots of people. no no, hang on, finish idea that on, let me finish the idea that that some reflection of that is some reflection of something that may well be negative. i i see negative. i don't i don't see that. what i see, that. what i see what i see, what i see is just people on tv. i don't necessarily look at the

colour i would it to be colour and i would like it to be that people don't so that people don't see that. so i'm you on it because i'm pulling you up on it because that's i'm pulling you up on it because tha because of people will disagree. >> yeah, they might disagree with you. they disagree. with you. they might disagree. >> that you're >> that doesn't mean that you're right. doesn't mean i'm right. it doesn't mean that i'm right. >> f- f— right. >> not about being right right. >>wrong. not about being right right. >>wrong. but: about being right right. >>wrong. but youyut being right right. >>wrong. but you were ing right right. >>wrong. but you were saying�*nt or wrong. but you were saying that they're in that they might think they're in nigeria pulling you up nigeria and i'm pulling you up on okay on that. okay >> you on that. okay » you >> well, you can pull me up on it. i about to finish my it. i was about to finish my sentence that there is an untapped mass amount people sentence that there is an unta ared mass amount people sentence that there is an untaare botherednount people sentence that there is an unta are bothered nount cultureyle who are bothered about culture wars and that is one daily aspect a cultural war. and aspect of a cultural war. and that so if the that was my point. so if the tories were to focus culture tories were to focus on culture wars that as a little wars and use that as a little aspect i'd use plenty of aspect of it, i'd use plenty of other wars. other aspects of culture wars. then tap into that then they would tap into that untapped reserve of people untapped mass reserve of people who being told who are fed up with being told to how feel about things, which takes me to to your takes me back to and to your original does it original question is, does it matter? i just highlighted original question is, does it mat'aspect i just highlighted original question is, does it mat'aspect of i just highlighted original question is, does it mat'aspect of cultureighlighted original question is, does it mat'aspect of culture warsihted one aspect of culture wars that you agree with, but you and i don't agree with, but there stuff that there are plenty of stuff that don't you per se. don't agree with you as per se. >> i just i'm stopping you >> but i just i'm stopping you when you're that they when you're saying that they might in nigeria might think they're in nigeria when i just felt that that that was that doesn't was one. no that that doesn't sit right you live in

sit right with you live in cumbria where it's people cumbria to where it's 99% people who then they who are white and then they turn on television 65, of on the television and 65, 70% of people, the actors are black. >> it's only fair for them >> then it's only fair for them to think this does not represent me. yeah but i'm putting me. yeah but i'm just putting you off racist. >> i don't think it's >> no, i don't think it's racist, but i just think that the you said you the fact that you said that you think might think think that they might think they're i think that they're in nigeria, i think that that's i think that that's a no, but i think that just just just just from hearing what said, that didn't sit what you said, that didn't sit well that came well with me the way that came out. i'll stop. i've out. so i'll stop. i've just explained yeah. hear explained it. yeah. no, i hear it. but i'm just telling you why i you sorry. go i stopped you on that. sorry. go on, i mean, i think on, matthew. no i mean, i think that in terms of what voters think, i cultural issues think, i think cultural issues have, know, have polarised think, i think cultural issues hav debate.now, have polarised think, i think cultural issues havand ate.now, have polarised think, i think cultural issues havand atthink', have polarised think, i think cultural issues havand atthink they e polarised think, i think cultural issues havand atthink they have arised think, i think cultural issues havand atthink they have theyi >> and i think they have they have have across. have they have cut across. and i think sometimes it's easy for people that all culture people to think that all culture or so—called or culture wars, so—called culture left right culture wars, are a left right divide. they're divide. and they're not they're not terms what the voters not in terms of what the voters think. they're know, think. and they're not you know, just labour just because you vote labour doesn't mean you think this way. on single or or on every single issue or vote or you think way. you know, you think this way. you know, and we're a nation of and you know, we're a nation of we class obsessed, we used to be class obsessed, but basically huge but we're basically a huge number different social number of different social tribes you

tribes and i think that, you know, difficulty for know, the difficulty for politicians kind politicians is how do you kind of put together, you know, a, you sort of coalition of you know, a sort of coalition of enough those, of those enough of those, enough of those tribes, different enough of those, enough of those tri people. different enough of those, enough of those tri people. you different enough of those, enough of those tri people. you know, nt enough of those, enough of those tri people. you know, when we of people. you know, when we read sunday are read the sunday papers are always worcester always full of it's worcester woman you know woman one day or you know working man working working mondeo man working woman you a you know, anything that's got a bit alliteration but bit of alliteration on it. but you more seriously what it you know, more seriously what it shows that you're trying shows is that you're trying to put voters put different groups of voters together. problem together. and one problem for the they're trying the tories is they're trying to put a sort of lower put together a sort of lower middle class ex—labour voters in the so—called red wall, but they're posh voters who in places like surrey , who do want, places like surrey, who do want, you know, who do have electric cars and do want how do you keep that together? that's the that together? and that's the same reverse. same for labour and reverse. >> think you've >> and what i think you've illustrated this bubble illustrated is this bubble of the one the south—east where only one particular matters. the particular view matters. the rest of england don't necessarily think have illustrated bubble. well, illustrated a bubble. well, i gave you an example of cumbria grasmere untouched by immigration. >> and no, no, no. it was just. no, no, look, i don't know no, no, no. look, i don't know with you no, no, no, with you because. no, no, no, it's not. no, no, no, no. that's not. not why it didn't sit well with exactly it with me. i know exactly why it didn't well with me, because

with me. i know exactly why it di didn't. well with me, because with me. i know exactly why it di didn't. itell with me, because with me. i know exactly why it di didn't. it just/ith me, because with me. i know exactly why it di didn't. it just didn't., because it didn't. it just didn't. didn't to the didn't sound right to me. the way you expressing it and way you were expressing it and saying they thought saying that if they thought they were part of nigeria and everything, like everything, i just didn't like the sound that's all. the sound of that. that's all. that's stopped not that's why i stopped you. not because necessarily because i don't necessarily disagree of what disagree with elements of what you're saying, but my main point, worry and concern point, my main worry and concern with wars are things point, my main worry and concern withthe wars are things point, my main worry and concern withthe fact wars are things point, my main worry and concern withthe fact that vars are things point, my main worry and concern withthe fact that politicians ngs like the fact that politicians can't say what a woman is. that's an important aspect because with women's because it deals with women's rights. and i think these culture exactly as ben culture wars are exactly as ben described, are almost like the opening rest of the opening into the rest of the conversation about the larger issues . think the issues. and i think if the politicians can't work out simple that be simple things like that or be brave say brave enough to say those things, i think that we're things, then i think that we're on shaky ground. but let's find out think because it out what you think because it shows and shows nothing without you and your welcome your views. let's welcome our great the great british voices onto the show. opportunities to show. there are opportunities to be on board and tell us what they about topics they think about the topics we're to we're discussing. let's go to keterman. to keterman. starr i'm going to start john reid. tony keterman. starr i'm going to start reid, |ohn reid. tony keterman. starr i'm going to start reid, john,teid. tony keterman. starr i'm going to start reid, john, do. tony keterman. starr i'm going to start reid, john, do the tony keterman. starr i'm going to start reid, john, do the culture john reid, john, do the culture wars matter or is there are they a complete distraction? >> the culture wars >> none of the culture wars don't iota. >> none of the culture wars dori'm iota. >> none of the culture wars dori'm absolutelyota. >> none of the culture wars dori'm absolutely with you and >> i'm absolutely with you and matthew on this. >> what matters to me, and i can only talk for myself really is

the cost of living. >> how much does it cost me to feed my family? >> how much does it cost me to feeyhow family? >> how much does it cost me to feeyhow muchy? >> how much does it cost me to feeyhow much does it cost me to >> how much does it cost me to run car? run my car? >> how much does it cost me to live nowadays at 75 years of age, working part time, i age, still working part time, i have eye the cost of have an eye to the cost of everything. i worry about everything. and do i worry about the somebody's skin? the colour of somebody's skin? of not. do i worry if of course not. do i worry if they're gay or straight? no. couldn't put it on as couldn't care less. put it on as long as they've got something to say, me. say, that's fine by me. >> no, i don't think the >> so no, i don't think the culture wars matter at all. >> well, there are some some elements like a woman is to elements like what a woman is to me, there will be me, that that's there will be different aspects it different aspects of it depending affects you, depending on how it affects you, where do where it might matter to you. do you fact that you think that the fact that keir struggled to say keir starmer struggled to say what is relevant or you what a woman is relevant or you think that's just i don't know whether keir starmer knows the difference with a woman and a man of course i don't. >> but you know, nana, i spend a lot of time in prison. >> i meet an awful lot of people that that are bi, that are trans, that are bi, that are trans, that are bi, that are trans, that are bi, that are that this, that are gay, that are this, they treat them all they are that i treat them all they are that i treat them all the same because they are all the same because they are all the same. >> they're just people. and no, it matter to me in the

slightest. >> all right . well, listen, >> all right. well, listen, john, it's always a pleasure. thank much. that's john thank you very much. that's john reid british reid is our great british voice there this there in kidderminster. this is gb on tv, online and on gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. forget, digital radio. don't forget, stay outside where i'm stay tuned outside where i'm going be speaking a going to be speaking to a celebrity had an celebrity guest who has had an incredibly career. incredibly interesting career. and look at life after and take a look at life after the job. today, he's an the job. and today, he's an 80s comedy performed comedy legend who's performed alongside icons such as james shirley bassey tom jones, shirley bassey, sir tom jones, a constant presence on our screens throughout the 90s. any throughout the 80s and 90s. any idea who that might be? weather's the way . the weather's on the way. the temperature's rising . temperature's rising. >> boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello and welcome to your latest weather update from the met office. i'm marco petagna. we hold on to unsettled weather across the during the week across the uk during the week ahead. there'll be some rain at times areas and times in all areas and temperatures pretty temperatures staying pretty disappointing for the time of year . we've got fairly deep year to. we've got a fairly deep area pressure charge year to. we've got a fairly deep area weather ressure charge year to. we've got a fairly deep area weather justjre charge year to. we've got a fairly deep area weather just at charge year to. we've got a fairly deep area weather just at the harge year to. we've got a fairly deep area weather just at the moment. with weather just at the moment. gradually away gradually starts to pull away towards over the next gradually starts to pull away tov hours over the next gradually starts to pull away tov hours or over the next gradually starts to pull away tov hours or so. over the next gradually starts to pull away tovhours or so. buter the next gradually starts to pull away tov hours or so. buterslow1ext 24 hours or so. but a slow moving band of rain will affect

the slice of as the central slice of the uk as we head through the evening and dunng we head through the evening and during period, during the overnight period, some of across some heavy bursts of rain across the england a time the north of england for a time and its way and that's flipping its way south midlands, into south into the midlands, into parts wales during early parts of wales during the early hours the south of hours of monday to the south of that clear spells few that clear spells and a few showers clearer a few showers and clearer with a few showers and clearer with a few showers north and showers towards the north and northwest uk as well. northwest of the uk as well. here we'll see lowest here we'll see the lowest temperatures into single temperatures dipping into single figures towards figures. but down towards the south southeast, pretty south and southeast, it's pretty warm. holding warm. temperatures here holding up teens celsius. as up in the mid teens celsius. as for monday with that, band of rain will continue to affect the south of the uk are going to be a few heavy bursts in places. south of the uk are going to be a fe'fareavy bursts in places. south of the uk are going to be a fe'far southeasts in places. south of the uk are going to be a fe'far southeast could aces. south of the uk are going to be a fe'far southeast could see .. south of the uk are going to be a fe'far southeast could see some the far southeast could see some brighter some brighter skies, setting off some heavy towards the heavy showers. and towards the north brighter, north and northwest, brighter, clearer, moving clearer, fresher weather moving in and northwest clearer, fresher weather moving in we and northwest clearer, fresher weather moving in we go and northwest clearer, fresher weather moving in we go through and northwest clearer, fresher weather moving in we go through the northwest clearer, fresher weather moving in we go through the day. hwest as we go through the day. temperatures still struggling for of year, no better for the time of year, no better than teens a few than the mid teens in a few northern spots, perhaps peaking at 20 degrees towards the at 19 or 20 degrees towards the south southeast. is 68in south and southeast. 20 is 68in fahrenheit. as for tuesday, it's a case of sunshine and showers across the uk. the southeast seeing most showers seeing most of the showers dunng seeing most of the showers during morning, a rash during the morning, but a rash of in towards of showers packing in towards the and northwest

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news. >> good afternoon . this is gb >> good afternoon. this is gb news. we are the people's channel and it's now time for worldview nana akua. if you've just tuned in, it's fast approaching six minutes to 5:00 and of course , worldview. well, and of course, worldview. well, we've got loads to talk about . we've got loads to talk about. we're going to be speaking to russian journalist alexei ver, who in red square in moscow who is in red square in moscow to tell me all about what's going on in russia. alexei thank you very much for joining me. okay. so let's start with a bit about putin. what's going on with people are that with him. people are saying that he lukashenko, met putin in he met lukashenko, met putin in moscow today . moscow today. >> hello , nana. yes, indeed. >> hello, nana. yes, indeed. belarussian president alexander lukashenko and russian president vladimir putin, they met for the first time after a failed coup attempt here in russia by mr prigozhin, the head of the wagner group. and well,

lukashenko. he played a crucial role in resolving that conflict between the kremlin and the russian private military company . so some of them , wagner . so some of them, wagner troops, they have left and now they are stationed in belarus . they are stationed in belarus. and in regards to this one, lukash , he has made a few lukash, he has made a few interesting statements . he's interesting statements. he's saying that now finally prigozhin's troops have become a matter of concern for belarussian authorities because those wagner forces , they are those wagner forces, they are thinking about going on a visit to poland . well, i think that's to poland. well, i think that's one way of the belarussian president is saying that basically the poles should down their rhetoric a little bit because basically lukashenko believes that the poles have been supplying from their territory. thanks and artillery to help ukrainians to fight the russians on the battle ground. and also, he said that some of the nato troops that were located in poland, 500km away from the belarussian border, now they have moved as close as 40km away from the border of the

union state of russia and belarus. so basically i think that his way of saying, well, now we are trying to keep those wagner troops in check, but if you guys like continue like this, they might just decide to go on a visit to warsaw to put oh my goodness , that feels a bit oh my goodness, that feels a bit like propaganda though. >> pretend really. but it is very worrying sign. what about putin? they're saying he's paranoid . paranoid. >> well, you know, nana as one former kgb spy told me in intelligence and politics, there are two types of people. the paranoid and the dead. so i'm not surprised that after this failed coup attempt , not surprised that after this failed coup attempt, vladimir putin has decided to reinforce his security and now they will be implementing this new division into the russian national guard. russian national guard. it has some 350,000 troops who are responsible for guarding the president himself and some of the main russian politicians. but and you see them everywhere here in moscow, they are on all metro stations.

they are on every corner, but most of them, i'm sure they have some capable units, but most of them, they just look like 18, 19 some capable units, but most of thenold ey just look like 18, 19 some capable units, but most of thenold ey jurwithyk like 18, 19 some capable units, but most of thenold ey jurwith noike 18, 19 some capable units, but most of thenold ey jurwith no combat9 year old boys with no combat experience. so i don't know how efficient are. and also, efficient they are. and also, before this failed attempt, before this failed coup attempt, all were just like all they had were just like buses main their main buses and their main their main purpose was just to disperse those unauthorised demonstrations against the government. so they would just like back up some other young boys into those buses and well , boys into those buses and well, drive them away. but now when we have such threats as mr prigozhin , with his tanks prigozhin, with his tanks approaching like as close as 200km away from moscow now they have finally thought of actually like introducing some more combat units to those russian national guard as well giving national guard as well as giving them artillery them tanks, some heavy artillery and maybe even wow and maybe even planes. wow >> very worrying. very worrying indeed.thank >> very worrying. very worrying indeed. thank you, aleksey. really talk to you. really good to talk to you. that's alexei. let's head over. thank much. have it thank you so much. let's have it over states now. let's over to the states now. let's have with host of the have a chat with the host of the politics podcast, paul politics people podcast, paul duddridge. start duddridge. right. so let's start on menu. up, president on the menu. first up, president donald . now he's revealed donald trump. now he's revealed that he's expecting be

that he's expecting to be arrested in relation the arrested in relation to the goings on from january the 6th. so happening ? so what's happening? >> yes , he's revealed that he's >> yes, he's revealed that he's been approached or his lawyers have been approached to expect an indictment, arrest any minute now. it's imminent. an indictment, arrest any minute now. it's imminent . so this was now. it's imminent. so this was about three, four days ago that he made this announcement. >> and, yes, we're just waiting. >> and, yes, we're just waiting. >> and, yes, we're just waiting. >> and the way things are, you have to remember, of have to remember, this, of course, isn't election interference just because he's the leader of the gop race and he's currently beating joe biden in the general election poll, this is not election interference just because it looks like joe biden's administration is going after their number one political opponent. please get it out of your head that this is election interference. so, yes, from the event the sixth, the event in january the sixth, the two hours disturbed , shall we two hours of disturbed, shall we say, at the capitol, we are now looking at arrest ing the president , donald trump. president, donald trump. >> what about the fbi document that's detailing the alleged $10 million that joe biden's bribery

scheme, that one, what's happening with that ? happening with that? >> well , i happening with that? >> well, i would be churlish if said absolutely nothing but don't hold your breath and think that's going to be prosecuted. >> that will be some kind of filing error. and but my prediction and i'm not here to make predictions generally is that you won't be hearing much about that except from us. yes, there's fbi documents, fbi whistleblowers who are coming out and saying, yes, hunter biden was prepared, if you like, was warned . was the it was he was warned. was the it was he was warned. was the it was he was told basically and prepped for what was about to happen to him, which is totally unprecedented , and that there is unprecedented, and that there is this $10 million that was supposed to be split between hunter and hunter and his dad . hunter and hunter and his dad. but don't expect it any. and he certainly won't be arrested imminently. honestly, donald trump , for having the temerity trump, for having the temerity to be in washington on january the 6th. well, it's really good to talk to you as ever, that

paul duddridge, host of the politics people podcast. >> thank you so much. that was worldview. is news live worldview. this is gb news live on digital on tv, online and on digital radio. more to come in the next hour. houn it's 5:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. and for the next houn nana akua. and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now on the way. my special mystery outside here live in outside guest. he's here live in the studio. plus, we'll have a great british debate. but first, let's get your latest news headunes. headlines. >> thank you very much, nana. i'm rory smith in the newsroom. evacuation is underway in greece. are being described as the biggest in the country's history. wild fires are ravaging the popular holiday island of rhodes, forcing thousands of people to flee homes and hotels as several holiday firms ,

as several holiday firms, including jet2, tui and thomas cook, have cancelled all flights to the island until the end of the month. gb news spoke to a british tourist who was evacuated , waited overnight . evacuated, waited overnight. >> we noticed sort of the middle of the last week , lots of smoke of the last week, lots of smoke coming over the mountains towards the sea where we were staying . the smoke sort of got staying. the smoke sort of got thicker and thicker through the week . week. >> siddique khan is pressing ahead with plans to expand london's ultra low emission zone, despite opposition from within his own party. the ulez policy was widely blamed for labour failing to win the seat of uxbridge and south ruislip at last week's by elections . it last week's by elections. it comes as conservative mp michael gove warns against treating the environment as a religious crusade and says that some net zero measures should be relaxed at conservative mp and gb news presenter jacob at conservative mp and gb news presenterjacob rees—mogg at conservative mp and gb news presenter jacob rees—mogg told us he thinks net zero is a waste

of money. >> i would certainly get rid of the pledge to get rid of petrol cars in 2030 that that was done a few years ago in different circumstances is i would get rid of the plans in the energy to bill put extra charges on people and have extra certificates for people selling their houses, owning property and so on. i would get rid of things that apply would get rid of things that apply direct costs, having a long term ambition for net zero is different than working towards it, but we need to think about what other countries are doing, what is proportionate and what is affordable . what is affordable. >> the uk's banking sector is set to reveal another round of strong profit s as lenders reap the rewards of expensive borrowing costs . major banks borrowing costs. major banks beat expectations in their first quarter, helped by a rise in interest rates, which currently stands at 5. but some analysts predict an increase in arrears as borrowers struggle to keep up

with higher repayments. banks have also been criticised by mps for failing to raise interest rates on savings accounts, in line with the bank of england's base rate at ukraine's president says he had hoped to start a counter—offensive against russia earlier but lacked the necessary weapons . vladimir zelenskyy told weapons. vladimir zelenskyy told cnn that the delay allowed russia time to build several lines of defence, complicating his country's ability to fight back against the invasion . his back against the invasion. his comments come after russia pummelled the city of odesa in southern ukraine, killing at least one person and damaging scores of historical buildings . scores of historical buildings. more more shops could be converted into homes and extensions made easier as the government launches a review of building rules in proposals to be formally announced tomorrow. new freedoms to enlarge existing homes will also be outlined. the government says the idea is to make it easier to build upwards

and outwards , with new and outwards, with new extensions and loft conversions. new measures which will see shops, takeaways and betting shops, takeaways and betting shops turned into living spaces with michael gove arguing that britain must make better use of the buildings we already have. planning minister lee rowley says it's a positive move. >> the importance behind housebuilding is so that it gives people the ability to own their own homes, to get on the housing ladder, to make sure that people can build capital, can get , can, can, can start can get, can, can, can start a family. and that's hugely important. so we've made some progress, but there's more to do, which is why michael's is going to announce tomorrow some further changes , which hopefully further changes, which hopefully will homes , but also will build more homes, but also vitally build them in the right places . places. >> cinemas all over the world are a bit like my tie pink swiftly following the release of barbie. among those joining in the fun is prime minister rishi sunak, who went to see the film with his family. the satire starring margot robbie as the world's most recognisable doll,

scored the highest preview ticket sales of the year, even surpassing the most recent spider—man film . analysts are spider—man film. analysts are predicting one of the most lucrative box office weekends of all time . and finally, the all time. and finally, the british pop singer vince hill has died at the age of 89. >> hey , little one. i say >> hey, little one. i say arrives his version of edelweiss, first heard in the sound of music , reached number sound of music, reached number two on the uk charts in 1967. >> in a career that included 25 studio albums, he worked with some of britain's best loved musical legends, including dame vera lynn and cilla black . he vera lynn and cilla black. he passed away peacefully at his home in oxfordshire . me . this is home in oxfordshire. me. this is gb news, we will of course, bnng gb news, we will of course, bring you more as it happens. now though, back to nana .

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. he's a constant presence on our screens throughout the 80s and 90s. as who do you think it is? if you guessed, stay tuned. you'll find out very shortly in a couple of moments time. he's also accomplished also an accomplished golfer. he's major celebrity golf he's played major celebrity golf tournaments uk and tournaments across the uk and europe. but in 2012, he suffered a debilitating stroke. i'll tell you more about him on the way. as ever, there's loads still to come. email gbviews@gbnews.com or me at . gb or tweet me at. gb news. so good. good afternoon. even if you're just tuned in, it's gb news and it's now time for this week's outside the every sunday at five. i'm joined by a celebrity, a former mp or somebody who's had an extremely interesting take a interesting career. we take a look at life after the job. so interesting career. we take a lookweek,3 after the job. so interesting career. we take a lookweek, my er the job. so interesting career. we take a lookweek, my mystery b. so interesting career. we take a lookweek, my mystery guest was this week, my mystery guest was born in leicestershire and has a knack for making people laugh. he his younger years he spent his younger years painting and decorating alongside his dad, but news that he had special talent he had a special talent elsewhere. up , my elsewhere. so growing up, my mystery guest entered his first

ever talent competition, winning first prize. he's also featured on our tv screens in the 80s and 90s, appearing on shows like celebrity squares, blankety blank . three, 2—1, 3—2, one. you blank. three, 2—1, 3—2, one. you remember that? could you do that? more? can you that? and loads more? can you guess this well i'll guess who this is? well i'll tell you more because following a stroke back 2012, was a stroke back in 2012, he was told never walk or talk told he may never walk or talk again. back and he's again. he fought back and he's now to join join us live. now here to join join us live. can you guess who this is? of course, comedian duncan course, it's comedian duncan norvelle duncan. hello nan. thank you very much for coming in. >> pleasure. well it's lovely to meet you, sir. >> duncan , first of all, though, >> duncan, first of all, though, very tragic news about vince hill. you said that you knew him very well . very well. >> i had a bit of a strange night last night because i. i went into london just to have a meal, and then i went to a club and i said to this, this fella i was dancing with . was dancing with. >> i said, i said, i think i've

got the wrong place . he says, got the wrong place. he says, no, you haven't. just keep dancing . then after ten minutes dancing. then after ten minutes i said, i'd better go. he says, you can't leave . i said, why? he you can't leave. i said, why? he says , you're in the final and says, you're in the final and wow . no, but says, you're in the final and wow. no, but joking apart , i wow. no, but joking apart, i heard the sad news about vince . heard the sad news about vince. and i've been a friend of vince for years. i did a cruise ship with him and i've known him for a while now, and i did my first summer season ever in blackpool , and i was on the south pier with vince and that was about 40 years ago . and we became good years ago. and we became good friends now i miss him so much. we used to ring each other every

week and, you know, we'd all go through the world and what it's like and everything . and he's like and everything. and he's a very interesting man because he does impressions as and i was doing sylvester stallone . and he doing sylvester stallone. and he was doing a, oh, humphrey bogart and he was doing that on the ship . and then he said, can we ship. and then he said, can we do it on stage ? i says, yeah. i do it on stage? i says, yeah. i says , i'll come on when you're says, i'll come on when you're on and i'll sit down and talk to you and we can both have an impression each and it worked out fabulous. impression each and it worked out fabulous . you know, such out fabulous. you know, such a lovely man. yes, very sad . andy lovely man. yes, very sad. andy andy's late wife, annie . he she andy's late wife, annie. he she died a few years ago. i think he never got over it. and um. but

they'll be there together, i hope. yeah but it was a lovely man. and he deserved to be a star. and edelweiss was a great hit for him, wasn't it? yeah. yeah. >> incredible. can you remember him now? yeah, i can remember him. yeah, yeah, yeah . all the him. yeah, yeah, yeah. all the greats, though , i mean, there. greats, though, i mean, there. but you know what is nice is that he had a long life, which was always nice to see when i. when i hear the sad news, you know, like tony bennett, people who passed away in their 90s and late 80s, you know, obviously we all want to live forever, but it's so many people gone during covid. exactly. >> and you know , it's it was bad >> and you know, it's it was bad . very bad. yeah >> but how did let's let's talk a little bit about you because you know, you are somebody who has done so many different things so many different things. if you think about back to when you were young, is this what you wanted to do, what you are doing, what you've done

throughout your life was that your dream ? your dream? >> yeah, i think i was born funny because i. i go back a long way now and i just i just think it was the only thing i was going to do to. to make people laugh and go into the business. i mean, at school, i was always mucking about. i remember all end times at and i used to think to myself , oh, remember all end times at and i used to think to myself, oh, i'm pretty good at doing impressions and i'll do you one. now you tell me you god, you tell me who it is. >> okay, i'm ready . >> okay, i'm ready. >> okay, i'm ready. >> hey , june. >> hey, june. >> hey, june. >> hey, june. >> hey, don't push me. don't push me . hey, don't. don't push push me. hey, don't. don't push me. it's not frank. >> frank. bruno. no, i'm joking . it's sylvester stallone. who? sylvester stallone . sylvester stallone. >> you don't say. >> you don't say. >> that was it? >> that was it?

>> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> don't push me. very good, then. >> very good. you're all good. yeah. >> i love your name as well. now it's so different because everybody now is naming the babies as different names from the past. like daisy , elsie and the past. like daisy, elsie and who else ? and obviously, nan, who else? and obviously, nan, you know, i mean, i've got a daughter. i had a daughter about five years, 15 years ago. she was born and that was all the thing that was in. then. call them a name . and i thought, i'll them a name. and i thought, i'll call her nan . you know, she was call her nan. you know, she was only that high. and i thought, well, she'll grow into it won't she? she will do. >> definitely. yeah. yeah yeah. very good. >> that's no . >> that's no. >> that's no. >> in ghana where my family are

from, that name is so common that all the boys, all the men are called that as well. so you say nana and literally 100 heads turn so it's . turn around. so it's. >> but have you got a nan? >> but have you got a nan? >> i do, yes . yeah. my mum >> i do, yes. yeah. my mum she's. she's still with us. yes she's, she's, she's watching now. she watches everything. >> is she okay. good. >> is she okay. good. >> how she is. good. she had had a knee replacement actually, and my dad's still alive. he had a stroke actually. and i know. and i that you suffered two i know that you suffered two strokes. it in 2012? yeah. strokes. was it in 2012? yeah. yeah yeah. >> vincent had a stroke. actually, he didn't die from it. i don't know how he died yet . i i don't know how he died yet. i think it might have been pneumonia . i'm not sure, but no, pneumonia. i'm not sure, but no, it's great if your family are all right. >> yeah, it is. and family are the most important thing as well. really? and if you have good people around you. yeah then usually you can get through most things. >> yeah. very interesting . >> yeah. very interesting. really. and so many jokes . you

really. and so many jokes. you can. i can go back to, you know, with my nan. she's still alive . with my nan. she's still alive. she's 111 . and when she was 111 she's 111. and when she was 111 i put in the card 111 and she looked at me and she says, does that say i'm ill ? i looked at me and she says, does that say i'm ill? i says, no, that's your birthday. 111. she says, i'm a really i says , yeah says, i'm a really i says, yeah . i said to her, i did say to her when i went to see her, i said , did you get my tablets ? do said, did you get my tablets? do you know where they are? i think i left them here. she says, little container. i said, yeah, why ? and i said, there was lsd why? and i said, there was lsd written on them . she says, yeah written on them. she says, yeah . she says, i took two. she says , but i went in the kitchen and it was, it was full of , it was

it was, it was full of, it was full of lions. it was, it was full of, it was full of lions . and i said, oh full of lions. and i said, oh dear. full of lions. and i said, oh dear . and dragons. she said they dear. and dragons. she said they were red dragons going everywhere . bless her. no no everywhere. bless her. no no i've i knew i was going to be a comedian and it's all an impressionist art. i used to be a good singer until i had the stroke. yeah it affected all my vocal chords. yeah. and what does not because. >> but duncan, it's really , >> but duncan, it's really, really great to talk to you . i really great to talk to you. i know you work with people. did you do you do something with stroke associations or anything like that to tell people about it? well we. >> ambassador association and the homeless worldwide , i'm a the homeless worldwide, i'm a patron of that. so i do a lot of charities and i enjoy them . and charities and i enjoy them. and i raise a few pounds for the stroke people because there's

not enough money goes into it. you think it's all it's all heart , heart and cancer. they're heart, heart and cancer. they're the biggest ones . and although the biggest ones. and although people should give to them. but i wish more would give to the stroke association. yeah very important. and you know, i do all my shows and i. i just do a collection at the end . yeah. and collection at the end. yeah. and so you give to them . yeah. so you give to them. yeah. >> well, listen, you're still going strong. it's really good to meet you. thank you so much for me. thank you so for talking to me. thank you so much for to me. duncan. much for talking to me. duncan. it's great to to you. it's been great to talk to you. okay. absolute great. >> great meeting you. and you, too. thank you very much for having me on. >> thank you very much for coming in. >> cool w.- g well. thanks >> you look cool as well. thanks >> you look cool as well. thanks >> thank you so much. thank you. of course, it's norvelle. of course, it's duncan norvelle. he's he's an he's a comedian. he's an absolute legend, fabulous man . absolute legend, fabulous man. well, stay tuned. this is gb news on tv, online and on

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figures. but down towards the south it's pretty south and southeast, it's pretty warm. here holding south and southeast, it's pretty wa|in. here holding south and southeast, it's pretty wa|in the here holding south and southeast, it's pretty wa|in the mid here holding south and southeast, it's pretty wa|in the mid teens here holding south and southeast, it's pretty wa|in the mid teens celsius lding south and southeast, it's pretty wa|in the mid teens celsius .jing south and southeast, it's pretty wa|in the mid teens celsius . as; up in the mid teens celsius. as for monday that band of for monday with that band of rain continue the rain will continue to affect the south uk are going be south of the uk are going to be a few bursts in places. a few heavy bursts in places. the southeast could see some the far southeast could see some brighter skies setting off some heavy and towards the heavy showers and towards the north and northwest, brighter, clearer, moving clearer, fresher weather moving in the north northwest in from the north and northwest as through the day. as we go through the day. temperatures struggling temperatures still struggling for year, better for the time of year, no better than teens in a few than the mid teens in a few northern spots, perhaps peaking at 19 or 20 degrees towards the south southeast. is 68in south and southeast. 20 is 68in fahrenheit. for tuesday , it's fahrenheit. as for tuesday, it's a case of sunshine and showers across the uk. the south—east seeing the showers seeing most of the showers dunng seeing most of the showers during morning, but a during the morning, but a rash of packing towards during the morning, but a rash of north packing towards during the morning, but a rash of north and :king towards during the morning, but a rash of north and northwestwards the north and northwest throughout the day. those showers way to more showers give way to more widespread wednesday and widespread rain on wednesday and a return to sunshine and showers on thursday . on thursday. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> we've got some sun coming up . it looks like everywhere you look in this country,

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news on tv, online and on digital radio. it's time now for the great british debate. this houn the great british debate. this hour. i'm asking is pursuing hour. and i'm asking is pursuing net zero an electoral deal breaker for now? the levelling up housing and communities secretary michael has secretary michael gove has warned against the net zero religious crusade , as he has religious crusade, as he has called it, on the relaxation of certain measures within net zero. now gove discussed how the inflexible application of the regulations designed to reduce pollution can lead to backlash, and currently landlords who rent their homes must adhere to a new minimum energy efficiency threshold by 2028, which could see landlords fork out up to £10,000 to meet this new standard . so many are looking at standard. so many are looking at this and seeing their homes as being, well, kind of diminishing in value . now, this regulation in value. now, this regulation is only just one of the many net zero targets that affect various sectors and industries across the uk as incoming bans on petrol and diesel cars, as well as sustainable farming incentives have all caused issue for farmers in this country. so for farmers in this country. so for the great british debate

this hour, i'm asking is pursuing net zero an electoral deal breaker? i'm joined now by lettuce bronski, political commentator and journalist peter barnes, political commentator , barnes, political commentator, commentator denis macshane, former labour minister for europe, and writer matthew stadlen, political commentator . stadlen, political commentator. right. well, i'm going to start with you, denis macshane . with you, denis macshane. >> you want me to ask the question ? question? >> well, yeah. what do you think? well, i did ask the question , i think, well, why are question, i think, well, why are you here if you're not going to answer is he answer the questions? why is he here? right >> i'm i would go a bit easy on assuming it is the deal breaker for the next election. it's very clear that sir keir starmer is going to try and quieten it down andifs going to try and quieten it down and it's interesting to see michael gove come out of the traps because who invented ulez ? >> ?i >> it 7- >> it was 7_ >> it was boris ? >> it was boris johnson 7 >> it was boris johnson who invented all these low traffic schemes that drive people bonkers . schemes that drive people bonkers. boris johnson, schemes that drive people bonkers . boris johnson, when he bonkers. boris johnson, when he was mayor of london. so it's a problem we hate. >> we probably all hate driving

at over under 70 miles an hour. we hate regulation, but we've got the highest respiratory illness in britain, including 4000 deaths a year other than turkey. >> is that really michael gove's ambition to turn britain into the sick, dirty man of europe? >> well, dying from this well no, but so far let's, let's be honest, i think there's a slight overreach there because so far, let's be honest. >> but boris johnson did come up with ulez. but the stretching of it everywhere . and for £12.50, it everywhere. and for £12.50, if you really wanted to do something, you do something, you could do something, you could do something london something about london underground. let's go to matthew stadlen. nana , good to stadlen. matthew nana, good to see the two different things here. >> one is the poison, that stuff which is affecting us in london. i live in london. i have a young baby. i do enjoy my car, but at the same time i recognise that cars are doing great damage, including the lungs and my including to the lungs and my little one. then there's the bigger question of the the bigger question of the in the environment and climate change. we is we know climate change is happening. we that we are happening. we know that we are having on that climate

having an impact on that climate change. know that that is change. we know that that is causing extreme weather conditions. it doesn't mean that every day is because of every hot day is because of climate change. it doesn't mean because wet because because every wet day is because of but of climate change. but generally, listen to the generally, if we listen to the scientists, real and it scientists, it is real and it would absolutely and would be absolutely madness and self if our leading self harming if our leading political parties ditch commitment to net zero for party narrow party political gain. if you want more refugee crises, if you want more refugee crises, if you want more refugee crises, if you want serious droughts, if you want serious droughts, if you want serious fires , if you you want serious fires, if you want food shortages, ultimately , if you want war when habitable parts of the world become scarcer , then abandon this stuff scarcer, then abandon this stuff now. but if you're a serious political entity, if you're the labour party , if you're the tory labour party, if you're the tory party and there has been cross—party consensus now for a while, do not panic. stick to your guns , because this is about your guns, because this is about our futures and the futures of our futures and the futures of our children. >> all right. let's go to lettuce. i think i would lettuce. yeah, i think i would fundamentally agree with that. it would be serious, poor leadership decision to start scrapping net zero policies. now particularly on the back of

what's one single by—election result , which realistically was result, which realistically was barely a win for the conservatives. >> at the end of the day, it was based off of ulez, which we agree probably that it was a poorly planned, poorly rolled out that did not bring out policy that did not bring along people with it. along the people with it. >> got to be realistic >> we've got to be realistic about the challenges that we face achieving net face right now. achieving net zero. think there is a zero. and i think there is a middle in this away from middle ground in this away from the extremes of just stop oil to the extremes of just stop oil to the other end of, you know, the conservative mp like jacob rees—mogg or sir ian duncan smith. there's a middle ground where we can keep these net zero policies and a sustainable policies and find a sustainable way them way to implement them and a pragmatic way. peter barnes i don't necessarily disagree with what we've just said. >> what we just heard then about actually having this conversation apragmatic actually having this conversation a pragmatic way. conversation in a pragmatic way. the most the fundamental problem is most people, come these people, when they come on these kind start kind of shows, they start talking start saying, talking about it, start saying, oh, future for oh, it's about the future for our you our children. it's about, you know, to war and know, it's going to be war and all rest of it. all the rest of it. >> it's the kind of catastrophe, housing the this housing of the kind of this debate actually find debate that i actually find quite irritating. >> a little bit >> it just gets a little bit kind like on the nose every

kind of like on the nose every now and then. i actually think that environmentalists have done more to the environmental more harm to the environmental cause you cause than anybody else. if you look oil and look like or just stop oil and extinction you know, extinction rebellion, you know, they're think they're not i don't really think they're not i don't really think they're you they're serious people. if you want serious debate, want to have a serious debate, i suggest get more serious suggest they get more serious about that they about the issues that they want to talk about. that's the reality. that's where we how. >> e- g-m >> yeah, but but peter, do you think with electorally, if think that with electorally, if the were prepared to the tories were prepared to abandon one of the parties, were prepared to at least abandon it, that be that it could potentially be a vote winner? >> think it's >> i don't think it's necessarily abandoning it. i think it's reassessing considering factors considering the other factors that are happening. know, we that are happening. you know, we are middle of a cost of are in the middle of a cost of living crisis. and then sadiq khan wants to expand ulez and living crisis. and then sadiq kharis/ants to expand ulez and living crisis. and then sadiq kharis goingo expand ulez and living crisis. and then sadiq kharis going to expand ulez and living crisis. and then sadiq kharis going to havej ulez and living crisis. and then sadiq kharis going to have ajlez and living crisis. and then sadiq kharis going to have a knocknd living crisis. and then sadiq kharis going to have a knock on that is going to have a knock on effect. you can't just deny effect. it's you can't just deny that. making that. and then you start making these arguments about clean these big arguments about clean air the rest it air and all the rest of it. it doesn't doesn't add up doesn't really it doesn't add up for street. for the people on the street. it's about convincing people . it's about convincing people. the problem i have most of the problem i have with most of this zero stuff is you're this net zero stuff is you're kind lectured into and kind of lectured into it and you're bullied into it. you're not convinced, you're led not convinced, you're not led rightly. that's rightly. and i think that's where of this stuff keeps where most of this stuff keeps going wrong. >> remember all those

arguments. >> about batting >> forgive me about batting smoking year after year, after yeah >> stop bullying people, persuade them, convince them. >> and then suddenly i think it was a tory government or a labour government. i don't care says so. it no more smoking in pubs , no more smoking in in tube pubs, no more smoking in in tube trains, no more smoking in the office. and people woke up saying, oh, i didn't know we could do that. and the quality of improved very of life improved very considerably . i of life improved very considerably. i do think . don't considerably. i do think. don't forget, it was boris johnson who said, we've got to get rid of all of these cars by 2030. in spain, where they're having an election today , the date for election today, the date for abolishing a fossil fuel driven cars is 2050. >> so why spanish socialists are more sensible and sensitive than a tory prime minister? i don't know. >> but it's incredible having put that in, having invented ulez, he then comes out of the trap and says, oh no, i didn't mean any of it. it's all terrible. it's all horrible. >> he said that boris is out there. >> he didn't say that. >> he didn't say that. >> no, no, no. but that's

siddique is talking about expanding it to the whole of london and then it's going to end the labour party said end up the labour party said they'll expand it in other parts of country. listen, i could of the country. listen, i could talk you for ages. talk to you guys for ages. matthew give talk to you guys for ages. mat 20s! give talk to you guys for ages. mat 20s more give talk to you guys for ages. mat 20s more . give talk to you guys for ages. mat 20s more . matthew give talk to you guys for ages. mat 20s more . matthew sadler you 20s more. matthew sadler and briefly back that. briefly come back on that. >> would say follow the >> i would just say follow the science, also policy has to science, but also policy has to be made sensibly and properly. and people on low incomes, people who are really struggling should not be hit disproportionately. has disproportionately. policy has found. but we cannot wish away the climate reality . the climate reality. >> brilliant. matthew stadlen, thank you very much, political commentator lettice ruminski commentator and lettice ruminski political commentator peter barnes, also denis macshane, barnes, and also denis macshane, former minister former labour minister for europe. you much europe. thank you so much for your thoughts. what do you your thoughts. well, what do you think? you been think? lots of you have been getting ulez. getting in touch about ulez. let's have look . jeff let's have a quick look. jeff says not jeff , that's says that's not jeff, that's matthew stadlen. is he not moving ? i'm painter and moving? i'm a painter and a decorator was a transit. i spent £50 on diesel getting to london, £12.50 on congestion charge plus ten hours of parking. now, sadiq khan wants to charge us something else. it doesn't make sense, says, thanks to sense, leanne says, thanks to ulez. have to sell up, quit my

ulez. i have to sell up, quit my job move out of london as job and move out of london as a single with a disabled single parent with a disabled son, afford car son, i cannot afford a new car as well a mortgage, and ulez as well as a mortgage, and ulez doesn't even concessions doesn't even have concessions for badge. tony says for a blue badge. tony says starmer will beg khan to ease off ulez until they get into power then will forced power. then it will be forced straight through mhm. straight through. mhm. mhm. exactly well, what do you think this is? gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . coming up, we'll continue akua. coming up, we'll continue with the great british debate this asking is net this hour. i'm asking is net zero in particular, policies zero and in particular, policies like ulez electoral like ulez an electoral dealbreaker for ulez. the thoughts of my panel. journalist and broadcaster danny kelly, also former labour adviser matthew let's matthew lawson. but first, let's get latest news headlines . get your latest news headlines. >> thank you very much. not i'm rory smith in the newsroom. hello firms are cancelling flights to the greek island of rhodes as wildfires sweep across the area . jet2 cancelled flights the area. jet2 cancelled flights until july 30th. while tui said it would cancel all flights until tuesday . thomas cook has

until tuesday. thomas cook has also announced cancellations. thousands of people are fleeing homes and hotels due to the fires . homes and hotels due to the fires. ukraine's president homes and hotels due to the fires . ukraine's president says fires. ukraine's president says he had hoped to start a counter—offensive against russia earlier but lacked the necessary weapons. vladimir zelenskyy told cnn the delay allowed russia time to build several lines of defence, complicating his country's ability to fight back against the invasion. his comments come after russia pummelled the city of odesa in southern ukraine, killing at least one person and damaging scores of historical buildings . scores of historical buildings. the levelling up secretary is warning against treating the environment as a religious crusade, as he calls for relaxation of some net zero measures. in an interview with the telegraph, michael gove said that inflexible rules will lead to a backlash . the proposed to a backlash. the proposed expansion of the ultra low emission zone was widely blamed for labour failing to win the seat of uxbridge and south

ruislip . chris skidmore, who ruislip. chris skidmore, who chaired the tories net zero review, argues that climate policies consistently polled third among the issues voters care about, and that ignoring those concerns would be bad politics. cinemas all over the world are pink with glee following the release of barbie. among those joining in the fun is prime minister rishi sunak, who went to see the film with his analysts are his family. analysts are predicting one of the most lucrative box office weekends ever. lucrative box office weekends ever . that's the up to date. but ever. that's the up to date. but you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website . that is gbnews.com now, though, back to nana . though, back to nana. so on the way, it seems like wherever you look, the country is in a bit of a mess. >> to put it mildly. but that hasn't stopped our politicians taking six weeks off in their

parliamentary recess. i mean, really, it time to scrap that really, is it time to scrap that recess ? but next, we'll continue recess? but next, we'll continue with our great british debate this hour. and i'm asking net this hour. and i'm asking is net zero deal breaker ? zero an electoral deal breaker? that's on the way

on gb news, the people's. channel for. >> good afternoon . it's just >> good afternoon. it's just coming up to 39 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. and it's time now for our great british debate this hour.

and i'm asking is pursuing net zero an electoral dealbreaker ? zero an electoral dealbreaker? now the levelling up housing and communities secretary michael gove against the net gove has warned against the net zero religious crusade as he has called it, and he's called for the relaxation of certain elements of it. now gove discussed how the inflexible application of the regulations designed to reduce pollution can lead to backlash . and currently lead to backlash. and currently landlords their homes landlords who rent their homes must a new minimum must adhere to a new minimum energy efficiency threshold by 2028, which could see landlords fork out up to £10,000 each for the new standard so that they can reach whatever goal has been set. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking is pursuing net zero an electoral dealbreaker ? well, let's see dealbreaker? well, let's see what my panel make of that. i'm joined and joined by journalist and broadcaster kelly and also broadcaster danny kelly and also former labour party adviser matthew lazor . all right, danny matthew lazor. all right, danny kelly, i'm going to start with you first. net zero, if they said they're going to scrap net zero a lot people, it's zero for a lot of people, it's a deal breaker. >> yeah, it be a deal

>> yeah, it could be a deal breaker. and why not? there are lots hard pressed families lots of hard pressed families trying bob for trying to scrape a few bob for the in rates the increase in mortgage rates and bill for some and the my water bill for some reason up. i don't know reason is shot up. i don't know whether i've got an internal leak in the house or some, but that's up less 100% that's gone up more or less 100% fold. so yeah , so, so people are fold. so yeah, so, so people are having to and find money having to try and find money where can. so if the where they can. so if the conservatives look, conservatives said, look, michael said, let's just michael gove said, let's just relax mean that relax this, it doesn't mean that we're to try and drive we're not going to try and drive down towards the net zero. i don't the world is going don't think the world is going to spinning the sky is to stop spinning and the sky is going to fall down. well, they might. >> think it will, though, >> you think it will, though, ain't like matthew ain't it like like matthew suggested, only suggested, because we're only a small . small contributor. >> on a massive planet >> we live on a massive planet and emissions. and we're 1% for the emissions. a contributory factor? >> well, that's slightly >> well, no, that's slightly disingenuous because what we're doing buying things disingenuous because what we're doingsomewherelying things disingenuous because what we're doingsomewhere like things disingenuous because what we're doingsomewhere like chinas disingenuous because what we're doingsomewhere like china and from somewhere like china and then the emissions are going there. we're offsetting it ultimately. >> okay. but to the average man and who come home and woman who come home after a 40 they're not that 40 hour shift, they're not that bothered. yeah. >> no, i'm not saying they wouldn't be that bothered about carbon all of carbon offsetting and all of this ships going to china. this with ships going to china. >> they want to their bills >> they want to see their bills

come probably don't come down. they probably don't want percentage want to pay a percentage of their towards their energy bills going towards future energy. they future green energy. they probably probably makes probably that probably makes them and repel from that. them recoil and repel from that. so do you think it is potential for some people it's a vote winner, but as ben have been pointed actually , it was pointed out, actually, it was something deal that we something that a deal that we struck the eu when left struck with the eu when we left the that we would the european union that we would pursue this particular net zero goal >> so it's part of an international that's international treaty. that's what saying. if what ben was saying. so even if we sort of slightly we wanted to sort of slightly relax it, we couldn't actually completely get out it. completely get out of it. >> think oddly >> matthew well, i think oddly it's breaker either if it's a deal breaker either if you do it or you don't do it, but different sets of but for different sets of people. that's right. and i think michael who think that michael gove, who represents an affluent constituency which represents an affluent constitl dems which represents an affluent constitldems will which represents an affluent constitldems will be which represents an affluent constitldems will be targeting the lib dems will be targeting at the next election, which will be full of electric cars and full be recycling full of they'll be recycling like and carbon offsetting full of they'll be recycling like theyand carbon offsetting full of they'll be recycling like they go carbon offsetting full of they'll be recycling like they go to rbon offsetting full of they'll be recycling like they go to theiroffsetting full of they'll be recycling like they go to their second1g when they go to their second homes. if you abandon net zero, then that will sort of put the tories beyond the pale for that set of voters. but as you say, for a different, rather harder pressed set voters, you pressed set of voters, if you stick with zero, it becomes stick with net zero, it becomes a issue. my thing is i think a big issue. my thing is i think

net zero is great goal, but net zero is a great goal, but how we going to get there? how are we going to get there? and the big danger is and i think the big danger is that you of that ultimately, you you sort of take away from the goal because the means are so unclear. if you say something's to going happen andifs say something's to going happen and it's going it and it's not going to happen, it just becomes radio is a just becomes a joke. radio is a classic we all love classic example. we all love digital radio. most have digital radio. most of us have a digital radio. most of us have a digital but for various digital radio, but for various reasons, also reasons, because we also have lots digital radios about lots of non digital radios about 15 years ago the policy was we will turn off analogue radio by x it's never happened. x day and it's never happened. why? people would go why? because people would go crazy turn, you know, crazy if you turn, you know, because it's not going to it's realistically not to realistically not going to happen. same with happen. and it's the same with if these arbitrary happen. and it's the same with if the |ese arbitrary happen. and it's the same with if the sort arbitrary happen. and it's the same with if the sort ofiitrary happen. and it's the same with if the sort of soviet targets, the sort of soviet style, know, tractor style, you know, tractor production targets, then it panics it's also panics people. it's also unrealistic because there are certain who to certain people who aren't to going meet it. et going be able to meet it. et cetera. bit of cetera. so i think a bit of common sense. yes let's get our emissions a emissions down, but let's have a bit sense about how bit of common sense about how we're do it and not get we're going to do it and not get people's backs up so they think it's not worth doing. >> reason may not >> well, the reason may has not taken for her taken responsibility for her part she's the part in this because she's the one sure that one that made sure that it was enshrined 2050. and enshrined in law for 2050. and everyone managed to get everyone she's managed to get away without

away very quietly without anybody people. anybody reminding people. >> actually, >> but just in case, actually, now remind, you now here, just to remind, you know, i think it's i think it's abhorrent. >> i think it's an arbitrary target. 35, 2050 to target. 20, 30, 20, 35, 2050 to make a complete life change for a lot of people and to pull up the environment , pull a lot of people and to pull up the environment, pull up all these pylons , you know, break these pylons, you know, break these pylons, you know, break the ulez as well. >> what's the pushback ? are >> what's the pushback? are people are the viewers may not be aware that are other be aware that there are other low emission around the low emission zones around the country as tight country which have not as tight criteria cars that can criteria with the cars that can drive . for example, come drive. for example, i've come down car. i'm a car dealer. down in a car. i'm a car dealer. i've come down in a car, never i've come down in a car, never i've got to pay that in every show . show. >> @ where can we get 50? >> £12, 50. where can we get 50? i'm a non—driver. >> these cars, these cars . okay. >> these cars, these cars. okay. >> these cars, these cars. okay. >> £12. 50 to drive in the ulez zone. i can take the same car to glasgow and not pay a penny. same bristol, pay same car to bristol, not pay a penny. car to bath, pay penny. same car to bath, not pay a clean air is a penny. now surely clean air is cleaner, it's in bath or cleaner, whether it's in bath or whether it's in london. >> i mean london got the >> i mean london has got the worst the country. but worst air in the country. but yeah, birmingham, birmingham. >> but expect it to have birmingham. >> worst expect it to have birmingham. >> worst air expect it to have birmingham. >> worst air in(pect it to have birmingham. >> worst air in thet it to have birmingham. >> worst air in the countryave the worst air in the country saying densely saying it's the most densely populated. to the

populated. but if you go to the tubes and the underground, the worst air is very bad day. worst the air is very bad day. you khan, if he's you think sadiq khan, if he's that that. that focussed, would fix that. >> yeah. think the >> yeah. i mean i think the i think also it's about if you're from my side the political from my side of the political argument that one is argument that one of the is about you you know and about how you sell you know and that's what i was a communications about communications guy. it's about how you sell things. so of course of the about course one of the things about net zero it's not just about net zero is it's not just about emissions, reducing emissions, you know, reducing gas, use, which gas, you know, gas use, which will have to will mean eventually we have to phase gas is phase out our gas boilers is because to don't want because we want to we don't want to be in in hock to putin or other people gas. so we other people for our gas. so we need find sources here, which need to find sources here, which is nuclear should be is why nuclear power should be developed. of course, developed. and then, of course, the say no to the hard greens say no to nuclear a you've nuclear power. so it's a you've got to realistic choices got to face realistic choices and need sell to and b, you need to sell it to people. not being about people. it's not being about some concept, but some abstract concept, but actually the fact actually being about the fact that ultimately could that net zero ultimately could be lights be about keeping the lights on. whereas turning. whereas it sets about turning. >> not on the >> the focus is not on the things the environment things and the environment around it. i mean, how it around it. i mean, how is it green to export your emissions elsewhere? for elsewhere? how is it green for a country to provide country like niger to provide all uranium and have uranium all the uranium and have uranium mines for nuclear reactors? how is it green to have cobalt mines

in places in africa and all over the world where children are being enslaved to get that out of ground? how is green of the ground? how is it green and environmentally friendly for us things we're doing us to do the things we're doing virtue we don't virtue signal here and we don't take enough virtue signalling? it's the it's all about all the emissions. as long as the air is good, doesn't what good, it doesn't matter what we do. all do. let's boulder through all the everybody's, know, the everybody's, you know, the concrete floors concrete through the floors and put get put these pylons up and get all these points get these charging points and get loads steel to make windmills loads of steel to make windmills or stupid air that or these stupid air things that are going trap the are going to trap all the animals and the ones animals in them and the ones in the sea. nobody seems to care about that, apart from as long as this is my as the air is good. this is my problem all this. problem with all of this. >> cares . different >> yeah, nobody cares. different ultra low emission zones and the different cars. it's all the consistent, awful, right? >> we don't ask enough questions about where things inside our phones about where things inside our pthell, need to know about >> well, i need to know about all it. but this shows all of it. but this shows nothing obvious. nothing without any obvious. we could forever. see could talk forever. let's see what think our great british what you think our great british voice to voice is there opportunity to tell they about tell us what they think about the discussing. tell us what they think about the of discussing. tell us what they think about the of here, scussing. tell us what they think about the of here, alaning. tell us what they think about the of here, alan mcneely three of you here, alan mcneely in go first. in grimsby, you'll go first. alan you think would it be alan would you think would it be a deal breaker if they scrapped net would you vote a

net zero? would you vote for a party who decided to scrap it ? party who decided to scrap it? >> well, the first day hobby post birthday nana . post birthday nana. >> but yes , it would be >> but for me, yes, it would be a complete deal breaker. i have no intention of voting for any of the two main political party that continue to pursue this net zero madness because none of it is thought out and the more you look at it, the more you realise that they have no idea what they're doing. i don't want another £183 green levy shoved onto me, which is coming down the line and told i'm going to have my gas cut off by 2030. >> yeah , it's just a complete >> yeah, it's just a complete shambles is the idea is reasonably good, but it takes the focus off other things that we could be doing things about nana, such as all the pollution in the seas and the rivers. >> well, exactly. >> well, exactly. >> that was my point. >> that was my point. >> some things we can do, we can do even even stopping the water companies from ruining the

rivers . rivers. >> we could do that instead of all this thing. let's go to gareth, wyn jones. gareth yeah . gareth, wyn jones. gareth yeah. >> you know what? >> you know what? >> i think it's a joke because we've got multinational corporations coming from abroad buying land in wales and, and planting trees in it so they can offset their carbon somewhere else. i think these people have got to have a reality check and where's their food going to come from? >> is it going to come from some magic supermarket tree? >> comes from farmers. so >> no, it comes from farmers. so you know, of these things you know, a lot of these things with the energy, with the food that we're eating, we have to really start to be practical about it. and i agree with danny. i don't agree with him a lot. but, you know, we're like 1% of the emissions worldwide side and they're pushing and pushing and pushing. and, you know, people on low incomes can't afford these ulez they can't afford these ulez they can't afford the food. they can't afford the food. they can't afford the food. they can't afford to pay their water bills, the gas bills . you know, bills, the gas bills. you know, let's let's make this a fair society. let's work together to

look for greener, you know, solutions , but don't sell solutions, but don't sell ourselves down the swanee. please don't do it, gareth. >> thank you for that. absolute and let's go to coral. she's there in cambridge. coral hi everyone. >> well, you've all made so many good points. i'm not sure what's left for me to say because i agree with so many things. i mean, first of all, you have to say what exactly are we trying to achieve exactly with net zero? is zero? do we zero? what is net zero? do we actually want to be going for it? we are being left, it? we are being taxed left, right centre and we can't right and centre and we can't even get the basics right. i mean, look at fly—tipping look at rubbish collection, look at gp surgeries. i mean the list of things as someone else said , the things as someone else said, the whole country is a shambles . i whole country is a shambles. i mean, we could go on, we what we actually need is a government with some good ideas that will stick to them when we vote them in. is it a deal breaker? i mean, would you believe anything that any party said to you? >> point. you make a very >> good point. you make a very good. yeah >> yeah, i could go on. no no. yeah, we.

>> well, no, we could . we could >> well, no, we could. we could all on because they've got no all go on because they've got no backbone. all go on because they've got no backbone . they keep changing backbone. they keep changing their minds. whatever they say, if somebody said me they're if somebody said to me they're going net zero, i would going to scrap net zero, i would vote for them. that's what i see. gareth, bryn jones, thank you also to coral you very much. also to coral fordham cambridge. fordham there in cambridge. and alan really fordham there in cambridge. and alan talk really fordham there in cambridge. and alan talk to really fordham there in cambridge. and alan talk to you really fordham there in cambridge. and alan talk to you guys. really fordham there in cambridge. and alan talk to you guys. iteally fordham there in cambridge. and alan talk to you guys. it has! good to talk to you guys. it has a great british voices. that's what think. what do you what they think. what do you think? asking? think? i've been asking? pursuing electoral pursuing net zero, an electoral deal lots you've deal breaker. lots of. you've been getting pamela been getting in touch, pamela says sadiq khan is being very foolish. shirley says, i wish gb news ulez news would start calling ulez the tax because that's what the ulez tax because that's what it is, jay says. i honestly think people of uxbridge think that people of uxbridge and south ruislip done more and south ruislip have done more for they are for the country than they are currently for. currently giving credit for. we all have been all know ulez will have been rolled to the rest of the uk rolled out to the rest of the uk in no time at all. absolutely. absolutely. hear. i'm sick absolutely. hear hear. i'm sick of net zero. i'd like them to scrap i don't believe in scrap it. i don't believe in most of it. i think we should most of it. i do think we should look our quality look after our air quality and our and but i don't our seas and rivers. but i don't think that an arbitrary target of 2050 and electrolyte icing or electrifying everything the electrifying everything is the way moving on to way to go. but moving on to another that caught my

another story that caught my eye today, commons today, the house of commons adjourned for its adjourned on thursday for its summer recess. yes mps will return in september. it's summer recess. yes mps will return in september . it's not return in september. it's not a school, is it? is it ? but with school, is it? is it? but with this week's, you might think so . my kids, isn't it? but with this week's inflation figures and the arrival of the migrant barge country barge is the country in the position have mps away position to have their mps away from westminster? so i'm asking for the country in such a mess. is it time to scrap parliamentary recess? well joining discuss, i've got joining me to discuss, i've got danny matthew laws. danny kelly and matthew laws. matthew lhasa. >> going to defend >> well, i'm going to defend them and them to a certain extent, and it's going to make me it's not going to make me popular, but i but look, the mps need a holiday just like everybody else and it is a bit like school or university. and obviously you have to be there. you take a holiday in the you can't take a holiday in the middle i know boris middle of term. so i know boris used pop off quite a lot used to pop off quite a lot after he stopped being prime minister, before stopped minister, but before he stopped being other being an mp. but on the other hand, more about hand, i think it's more about what when they're there what they do when they're there and if talk to mps, and actually if you talk to mps, ihave and actually if you talk to mps, i have to admit to having some friends really what friends who are mps really what they're is, that they're finding is, is that they're finding is, is that they're not doing very much

because tories aren't because the tories aren't putting so putting forward legislation. so they're going home early because there's to on. there's nothing to vote on. so that's mean, think it's more that's i mean, i think it's more about they're doing about what they're doing when they're and actually and they're there and actually and that's why we election that's why we need an election because more than because we need change more than just . danny kelly just dragging this. danny kelly briefly mp well, briefly a new lot of. mp well, aside being politically aside from it being politically quiet moment , aside from it being politically quiet moment, you know, quiet at the moment, you know, you where you can name other years where it's politically turbulent you can name other years where it's the politically turbulent you can name other years where it's the polthatly turbulent you can name other years where it's the polthat they're|lent you can name other years where it's the polthat they're going and the fact that they're going to for weeks, to go away for six weeks, it just remarkable. to go away for six weeks, it justthe remarkable. to go away for six weeks, it justthe birds�*markable. to go away for six weeks, it justthe birds thatzable. to go away for six weeks, it justthe birds that alle. these >> the birds that all of these 650 odd of the decision makers who, if necessary, need to be convened for storm. >> they can they can be called back, i mean, but they're back, i mean, but not if they're like the bahamas. like in the bahamas. >> sure can be called >> i'm sure they can be called back. but the actual there back. yeah, but the actual there are where they've are examples where they've been called back in wartime. i think they take off. they should take two weeks off. different they should take two weeks off. difiyeah, i think so as well. >> yeah, i think so as well. i disagree with it totally. i don't see the point. else don't see the point. nobody else gets that apart teachers gets that apart from teachers and really hard. but and they work really hard. but the right now, though, the mps right now, though, it's time for supplements sunday where to pick where i asked my panel to pick up stories that caught where i asked my panel to pick up eye.;tories that caught where i asked my panel to pick up eye. so ies that caught where i asked my panel to pick up eye. so let's1at caught where i asked my panel to pick up eye. so let's see aught where i asked my panel to pick up eye. so let's see who's their eye. so let's see who's going who fancies going to go first, who fancies going to go first, who fancies going start going first? i'll start with you, about the m15 you, danny. it's about the m15 foiling an isis's yeah

foiling an isis's plot. yeah i have an added. >> just because isis have been defeated in syria and in iraq, we mustn't forget that there are still lunatics on the streets of britain been britain who have been brainwashed inspired brainwashed that isis inspired mi5 brainwashed that isis inspired m15 have stopped 39 such attacks recently . 39. these are real recently. 39. these are real heroes , and they've stopped a 59 heroes, and they've stopped a 59 year old isis loony , basically year old isis loony, basically killing people at the isle of wight festival. 90,000 people go there year in, year out. so let's not let our guard down. there are still these loonies out there. >> matthew, you've got a story. absolutely >> well well, this is what i mean. so is an adopted mean. so danny is an adopted brummie by birth, brummie scouse by birth, but brummie scouse by birth, but brummie choice . and the brummie by by choice. and the commonwealth games are a big thing in in birmingham. is it your or the year your last year or the year before? and because before? anyway and now because the australian victoria the australian state of victoria has said it can't afford the next commonwealth games. so london is saying it could bring them back for 500 million. birmingham and andy street, the mayor west midlands, has mayor of the west midlands, has said we can do it again in birmingham , should spend birmingham, but should we spend the expanding ulez to pay >> he's expanding ulez to pay

half billion. half £1 billion. >> sadiq khan >> what do you think, sadiq khan well , in >> what do you think, sadiq khan well, in birmingham have been there's not really been much of a legacy. >> view alegacy. a legacy. >> view that maybe keep >> so my view is that maybe keep it australia , but what you think? >> well, yeah, i mean, look i to agree here i was one of those sceptics about the olympics actually, i'm sceptical that actually, and i'm sceptical that people say nice to people always say it's nice to have a party. it's i'm sure birmingham buzzing birmingham was buzzing during the games, the commonwealth games, but that's it was a it that's a big of it. it was a it was a big at the end and was a big check at the end and you have the legacy. so you don't have the legacy. so i'm think commonwealth i'm i think the commonwealth games allowed to die a games should be allowed to die a slow death. yeah, i think so. >> this about sue slow death. yeah, i think so. >> remember:his about sue slow death. yeah, i think so. >> remember her? bout sue slow death. yeah, i think so. >> remember her? according to gray. remember her? according to the mail sunday, the mail on sunday, the partygate she she's my leader's new. double dipped new. is it? she double dipped her million pension a her 1.8 million pension with a six salary role six figure salary from her role as starmer's new fixer. as sir keir starmer's new fixer. so a case of so—called double so in a case of so—called double dipping, civil dipping, the former civil servant will an annual servant will receive an annual pension between £85,000 and pension of between £85,000 and 90 grand when she quits. and she'll quit when she quits. whitehall should also take an estimated 140,000 salary. >> can i say i did not get that when i worked for the labour party. it'sjust when i worked for the labour party. it's just unbelievable. there's few of that.

there's a lot of few of that. >> a red blooded capitalist. >> i'm a red blooded capitalist. i mind earning i don't mind people earning money. gray i don't money. i don't. sue gray i don't i haven't. in politics i want to be objective. so whether they're left if they're left or right, if they're allowed it, then that's fine. >> well, listen, listen, on today's asking, today's show, i've been asking, do culture wars matter you? >> and according our twitter >> and according to our twitter poll, 56% you say, yes, i'm poll, 56% of you say, yes, i'm with that. 44% of you say with you on that. 44% of you say no. matter lot to me. no. they matter a lot to me. thank so much my panel, thank you so much to my panel, journalist danny journalist and broadcaster danny kelly. thank you very much to you former labour party you and also former labour party adviser you you and also former labour party advirmuch, you you and also former labour party advirmuch, matthew. you you and also former labour party advirmuch, matthew. and you you and also former labour party advirmuch, matthew. and thankou very much, matthew. and thank you your company. you to you for your company. i'll week, same you to you for your company. i'll same week, same you to you for your company. i'll same place.reek, same you to you for your company. i'll same place. bez, same you to you for your company. i'll same place. be there e you to you for your company. i'll same place. be there . time, same place. be there. >> the temperature's rising. boxt solar. proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello and welcome to your latest weather update from the met office. i'm marco petagna. we hold to on unsettled weather across the uk during the week ahead. some rain at ahead. there'll be some rain at times all and times in all areas and temperatures pretty temperatures staying pretty disappointing time disappointing for the time of year we've got a fairly year too. we've got a fairly deep of low pressure in deep area of low pressure in charge just at charge of the weather just at the gradually starts to the moment gradually starts to pull the east over

pull away towards the east over the next hours so. but the next 24 hours or so. but a slow moving band of will slow moving band of rain will affect the central slice the affect the central slice of the uk through uk as we head through the evening the overnight evening and during the overnight penod evening and during the overnight period bursts of period. some heavy bursts of rain of england rain across the north of england for and that's flipping for a time and that's flipping its into midlands, its way south into the midlands, into wales during the into parts of wales during the early monday the early hours of monday to the south clear and south of that clear spells and a few and clearer with a few showers and clearer with a few showers and clearer with a few showers and clearer with a few showers towards the north and northwest of uk well. few showers towards the north and rwe'll/est of uk well. few showers towards the north and rwe'll see of uk well. few showers towards the north and rwe'll see the uk well. few showers towards the north and rwe'll see the lowest well. here we'll see the lowest temperatures into single temperatures dipping into single figures. but down towards the south pretty south and southeast, it's pretty warm. holding warm. temperatures here holding up mid teens celsius. as up in the mid teens celsius. as for that, band for monday, with that, band of rain will continue to affect the south are going to be south of the uk are going to be a few heavy bursts in places . a few heavy bursts in places. the southeast could some the far southeast could see some brighter some the far southeast could see some bright

of towards of showers packing in towards the north and northwest throughout day. those throughout the day. those showers way to more showers give way to more widespread rain wednesday and showers give way to more wreturnead rain wednesday and showers give way to more w return ead sunshine ilednesday and showers give way to more wreturnead sunshine and esday and showers give way to more wreturnead sunshine and showers d a return to sunshine and showers on . on thursday. >> the temperatures rising . boxt >> the temperatures rising. boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . with it