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houday holiday firms, including several holiday firms, including jet2 , tui and thomas cook, have jet2, tui and thomas cook, have cancelled all flights to the island until the end of the month . labour says its party month. labour says its party gathering this weekend has laid the groundwork for an election winning manifesto. a spokesperson says the final document produced by the national policy forum contains no unfunded spending commitments and will lead to building of a better britain . but the unite better britain. but the unite union says it cannot support the document due to what it described as the weakening of language. around zero hour contracts. this sadiq khan is pressing ahead with plans to expand london's ultra low emission zone. that's despite opposition from within his own party. the ulez policy was widely blamed for labour failing to win the seat of uxbridge and south ruislip at last week's by elections. it comes as conservative mp michael gove warns against treating the
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environment as a religious crusade and says that some net zero measures should be relaxed . ukraines president says he had hoped to start a counter—offensive against russia earlier but lacked the necessary weapons. vladimir zelenskyy told cnn that the delay allowed russia time to build several lines of defence, complicating his country's ability to fight back against the invasion. his comments come after russia pummelled the city of odesa in southern ukraine, killing at least one person and damaging scores of historical buildings as more shops could be converted into homes and extensions made easier as the government launches a review of building rules in proposals to be formally announced tomorrow . no formally announced tomorrow. no new freedoms to enlarge existing homes will also be outlined. the government says the idea is to make it easier to build upwards and outwards , as michael gove and outwards, as michael gove argues that britain must make
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better use of the buildings we already have . and finally, the already have. and finally, the british pop singer vince hill has died at the age of 89. >> hey , edelweiss. i say >> hey, edelweiss. i say edelweiss . edelweiss. >> his version of edelweiss first heard in the sound of music reached number two on the uk charts in 1967. in a career that included 25 studio albums , that included 25 studio albums, he worked with some of britain's best loved musical legends, including dame vera lynn and cilla black . he passed away cilla black. he passed away peacefully at his home in oxfordshire . tv online dab+ oxfordshire. tv online dab+ radio and on tunein . this is gb radio and on tunein. this is gb news. now it's time for free speech nation . where
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speech nation. where. a new poll reveals that almost half of millennials want misgender ing to be a criminal offence. >> watership down is rerated for more sensitive times and sadiq khan wants you to say mate to a mate . this is free speech nation mate. this is free speech nation . welcome to free speech nation. with me, andrew doyle. coming up tonight on the show , the tonight on the show, the practise of banking has hit the headunes practise of banking has hit the headlines this week, and we're going to discuss the growth in people having accounts people having their accounts closed their closed because of their political beliefs. shahrar ali claims his post with the claims he lost his post with the green party due to his gender critical beliefs and he's taken the party to court in an effort to prove his point. he's going to prove his point. he's going to be here to give us an update. london mayor sadiq khan has unveiled his new campaign in will men saying mate each will men saying mate to each other sexism and misogyny other end sexism and misogyny for good. and course , myself for good. and of course, myself and fantastic panel will be and my fantastic panel will be answering questions from our wonderful studio audience, my
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guests tonight are cressida wetton kogan , who . wetton and jonathan kogan, who. you looking very casual tonight , jonathan.7 well, shorts and a shirt. >> i felt like i had to balance out your suit, which you look lovely in. so you wear it very well. i do. but these aren't shorts. >> no, you're right. and every every great portrait needs an understated frame. exactly as they say. >> e assume that's >> no, that's. i assume that's a compliment. you. compliment. thank you. absolutely. how was your week, chris? i'm understated. >> it was good. >> that's good. it was good. yeah to me. yeah nothing to tell me. >> great. well, move on. >> great. well, let's move on. go straight to the audience. i hope you're a more garrulous hope you're a bit more garrulous later okay we've got later on. okay we've got a question where's question from peter. where's peter? hi there. >> could the proposed extension to the ulez zone actually cost keir starmer the next general election? >> this is a really interesting one, isn't it? because i presume we've at the we've all been looking at the by—election this by—election results this week, but like they on but it looks like they held on to uxbridge. well, the tories held on to uxbridge because of this because of the this ulez thing, because of the ultra, by something like this ulez thing, because of the ultra, 700 by something like this ulez thing, because of the ultra, 700 votes nething like this ulez thing, because of the ultra, 700 votes or:hing like this ulez thing, because of the ultra, 700 votes or something what, 700 votes or something like that. >> a lot. >> not a lot. >> not a lot. >> so what does this you >> so what does this mean? you know, a of analysts have
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know, a lot of analysts have have saying that, know, have been saying that, you know, tories who were disgruntled, tory who were tory voters who were disgruntled, just at disgruntled, they just stay at home. go and home. they don't go out and vote. uxbridge, it wasn't vote. but in uxbridge, it wasn't quite case. they were going quite the case. they were going out because were annoyed out because they were annoyed about they didn't to pay >> yes, they didn't want to pay it. don't blame them. it's it. and i don't blame them. it's very, very irritating, isn't it? why doesn't keir starmer just. very, very irritating, isn't it? why keep n't keir starmer just. very, very irritating, isn't it? why keep quiet ir starmer just. very, very irritating, isn't it? why keep quiet and armer just. very, very irritating, isn't it? why keep quiet and juster just. very, very irritating, isn't it? why keep quiet and just waitt. very, very irritating, isn't it? why keep quiet and just wait it just keep quiet and just wait it out? yeah, that's what he should. >> he's had one opinion. let him have it. all right. that's right. >> he doesn't generally no, but the is, think he might, the thing is, i think he might, you know, i think it's in the bag him. right. next he bag for him. right. next time he might do what theresa may did last which hide last time, which is just hide herself just it herself away and then just it didn't work out for her in the end. but know what i mean, end. but you know what i mean, like, just to play like, so he's just going to play it safe, not ruin his chances. >> then well, i mean, at >> and then well, i mean, at this doesn't look like this point, it doesn't look like there's could blow there's much he could do to blow it. yeah. there's much he could do to blow it. donh. there's much he could do to blow it. do you think? think it's a >> do you think? i think it's a i if i was a betting man, i mean, if i was a betting man, i mean, if i was a betting man, i would put my money on i would i would put my money on him. but, yeah, i'd like some excitement. like some kind of him. but, yeah, i'd like some ewould ant. like some kind of him. but, yeah, i'd like some ewould like like some kind of him. but, yeah, i'd like some ewould like an (e some kind of him. but, yeah, i'd like some ewould like an upset1e kind of him. but, yeah, i'd like some ewould like an upset to kind of him. but, yeah, i'd like some ewould like an upset to happen. i would like an upset to happen. would know. would you? yeah i don't know. the i mean, they the reclaim party. i mean, they won't, i mean,
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won't, but. yeah, i mean, who knows? they knows? you think you think they should so. are should win? yes, i think so. are they should win? yes, i think so. are the i should win? yes, i think so. are thei don't to be honest. >> i don't know, to be honest. >> i don't know, to be honest. >> know, stay tuned to >> you know, stay tuned to find out. but >> gm- e about this >> but what about this environmental mean, do environmental issue? i mean, do you think because sadiq khan wants sort ulez wants to expand the sort of ulez zone, idea. >> i don't think that >> i don't personally think that way a good idea. way of doing it is a good idea. i in of i am definitely in favour of trying work out how get trying to work out how to get cleaner but i cleaner air in cities, but i don't you know, don't think stopping, you know, the poorest strata of society, having cars and working and adding is adding huge expense to them is the do it. peter the right way to do it. peter what do you think? >> question, well, >> you ask the question, well, yes, it's good idea. >> i don't think think >> i don't think i don't think the be extended. >> and that because you >> and is that because you think it poor people it affects the poor people most of also because between the >> and also because between the nonh >> and also because between the north that north circular and the m25, that particular dense north circular and the m25, that part solar dense north circular and the m25, that part solar less dense north circular and the m25, that part solar less of dense north circular and the m25, that part solar less of a dense problem? >> yeah, this is a good point, but think will be a major but i think this will be a major issue the next issue when it comes to the next general anyway, issue when it comes to the next gene move anyway, issue when it comes to the next gene move on anyway, issue when it comes to the next gene move on to anyway, issue when it comes to the next gene move on to anotherway, let's move on to another question is from question now. this is from catherine. catherine, what's your ever your question on have you ever suffered blindness? your question on have you ever suf'yes. blindness? >> yes. >> yes. >> no blind? no >> no time blind? no but i've heard because of this heard about it because of this tiktok video. it's extraordinary i >> -- >> have you >> have you seen >> have you seen the video right i >> -- >> so maybe we can get it. can we get the video and then we can have a look? in meantime, have a look? in the meantime, chris, to explain have a look? in the meantime, chris,it to explain have a look? in the meantime, chris,it is? to explain have a look? in the meantime, chris,it is? well to explain have a look? in the meantime,
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chris,it is? well there'sxplain what it is? well there's a millennial crying . millennial crying. >> that's my first rule with a video. do that crying video. they do that crying on videos fashionable now, videos is so fashionable now, isn't it? yes and it's as though they have to do it there and then while they're in this then while they're still in this tearful think, calm tearful state and i think, calm down, your makeup and speak down, redo your makeup and speak when just say, i blame when you can just say, i blame sinead o'connor for that video. >> did. that's a great song >> she did. that's a great song to you. she's just crying. let's have video. have a look at this video. i believe so i just believe we've got it. so i just got at for asking got yelled at for asking a very reasonable question. >> applying go >> so i'm applying to go somewhere. and just to somewhere. and i just wanted to know, accommodations know, are there accommodations for with for people who struggle with time and being on time blindness and being on time? know ? and then the time? you know? and then the person with interrupted person i was with interrupted and acted like i was asking something else. and then when we were when actually were done, when they actually started at me and saying started yelling at me and saying that accommodations for time blindness and blindness doesn't exist, and if you to being on time, you struggle to being on time, you'll able to get a job. >> so let me get this straight. she's basically saying that if you're not if you're if you don't turn up things time, you're not if you're if you donlikern up things time, you're not if you're if you donlike a up things time, you're not if you're if you donlike a condition1gs time, you're not if you're if you donlike a condition .]s time, you're not if you're if you donlike a condition . so. time, it's like a condition. so. >> yeah, well, my girlfriend, it's not fault. it's not your fault. >> it's not because you're lazy and. >> e w my girlfriend
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>> yeah, well, my girlfriend sometimes really has a big me if i arrive early, so to i like arrive too early, so to speak. is that right? yeah. >> going read >> so i'm not going to read too much into that. >> it's like opposite >> well, it's like the opposite kind yeah yeah, yeah. kind of thing. yeah yeah, yeah. >> what do you think, cressida, about ? no, let's about him being early? no, let's not family show. not go into that family show. >> i think it's silly. i saw somebody comments somebody in the comments on tiktok well , that's fine tiktok saying, well, that's fine as don't your as long as you don't mind your employer paying employer having paying blindness. yeah blindness. that's a good. yeah that's fair, it? that's fair, isn't it? >> is weird one, though, >> this is a weird one, though, isn't why people reframe, >> this is a weird one, though, isn't wijust people reframe, >> this is a weird one, though, isn't wijust bad)ple reframe, >> this is a weird one, though, isn't wijust bad behaviour1e, >> this is a weird one, though, isn't wijust bad behaviour as you know, just bad behaviour as like a condition. >> i think there's, you know , >> i think there's, you know, there's almost social credibility to be gained by having a disability. and if you don't have a real one, why not make up a funny one? yeah guess. >> is that the idea? >> is that the idea? >> is that the idea? >> i think so, yeah. >> i think so, yeah. >> the adhd is real. i think people different brain people have different brain things, not this people have different brain ththough. not this people have different brain ththough. this not this people have different brain ththough. this is not this people have different brain ththough. this is timeline this is though. this is timeline according to tiktok. it's related, but that's the related, but that's not the answer. keep answer. isn't to just keep making things softer softer. making things softer and softer. that's overcome it. that's not how you overcome it. right. >> okay. let's move >> okay. well, let's move on to another one's another question. this one's from ryan. where's ryan? >> should >> good evening. hello. should gay trans gender students gay and trans gender students have accommodation ? have separate accommodation? >> yeah. was article >> yeah. there was an article
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this about and i've read this week about and i've read this, so this happened this, but. so this has happened before. where before. apparently where universities have created dorm spaces specifically for gay students. what do you think, ryan? do you think that's a good idea? >>i idea? >> i actually think it's quite regressive . it kind of regressive. it kind of segregation. and it's saying that, you know , you know, that, you know, you know, students can't just mix and get on with other students, which i had to do when i went to university. >> i think this would have really annoyed me at university. the be of the idea i have to be sort of like camp with like put in a camp with other gay feels feels a gay people. it feels it feels a bit then again, an bit like that. then again, an all be a of all gay dorm would be a hell of all gay dorm would be a hell of a party. >> well, it's not with my friends. >> no, no, they're not. they prefer scrabble. >> no, no, they're not. they pre'oh,'>crabble. >> no, no, they're not. they pre'oh, '>crabb you know, you guys >> oh, well, you know, you guys call if want have call it if you want to have sleepovers university. sleepovers at university. >> one of best friends was >> one of my best friends was a gay we to out gay man, and we used to go out and quhe gay man, and we used to go out and quite and come and get quite drunk and come home o'clock, and home at silly o'clock, and we'd stay other's places stay over at each other's places and we wouldn't able and we wouldn't be able to do that. >> em- ema— >> you would be you would be branded a heterosexual. >> of would be >> yeah, one of us would be kicked other or maybe kicked out of the other or maybe the gays are allowed in the straight straight straight bit. you're straight then. i'm straight. thank you for revelation . for revelation. >> so just because cressida
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lives on a boat that is quite . lives on a boat that is quite. >> it was a denim shirt. seven minutes. yeah. >> it's quite a sapphic thing to do, isn't it? living on a boat? no, not. >> i'm not going to make a actually, i don't know . actually, i don't know. >> but i do think this is weird. theidea >> but i do think this is weird. the idea like, is. it's the idea of like, this is. it's crazy. identity crazy. this is where identity politics leads you know, politics leads us. you know, we've school in we've also had that school in london, school london, the american school segregate kids by skin colour for activities . and for after school activities. and it feels it feels like it's it just feels it feels like it's going back a step right. it just feels it feels like it's going back a step right . what do going back a step right. what do you think? >> yeah. mean, you like >> yeah. i mean, would you like a dorm if it was if a jewish only dorm if it was if it was basketball or jewish only a jewish only dorm if it was if it wasmightetball or jewish only a jewish only dorm if it was if it wasmightetball 0|onlyish only a jewish only dorm if it was if it wasmightetball 0|only way nly team might be the only way i could but okay, makes team might be the only way i c(biti but okay, makes team might be the only way i c(bit more but okay, makes team might be the only way i c(bit more sense kay, makes team might be the only way i c(bit more sense .ay, makes a bit more sense. >> yeah. yeah, it does feel like it does like step it does feel like a step backwards. we'll go on backwards. anyway, we'll go on to another question now. this backwards. anyway, we'll go on to an(from question now. this backwards. anyway, we'll go on to an(from roger.»n now. this backwards. anyway, we'll go on to an(from roger. hello. this backwards. anyway, we'll go on to an(from roger. hello. hi,is rogen >> have you been able to find a copy of the sharron davies book yet? copy of the sharron davies book yet oh , well, it's i've seen so >> oh, well, it's i've seen so many tweets about this this week. so sharron davies , the week. so sharron davies, the athlete who, you know, has athlete who, as you know, has published women's published a book about women's rights the rights and sports and all the rest there's rest of it, and there's been loads accusations that loads of accusations that waterstones staff are hiding the books from their customers . books from their customers.
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doesn't that defeat the purpose? are you trying say and this are you trying to say and this isn't first time also are you trying to say and this isn'tpeoplest time also are you trying to say and this isn'tpeople say�*ne also are you trying to say and this isn'tpeople say about also are you trying to say and this isn'tpeople say about my;o are you trying to say and this isn'tpeople say about my books, had people say about my books, i get tweets from people saying i went your went into waterstones and your book asked went into waterstones and your booithey asked went into waterstones and your booithey find asked went into waterstones and your booithey find it.;ked went into waterstones and your booithey find it. they and they couldn't find it. they couldn't they're couldn't find it, but they're not going to make money this way. no, don't know way. well, no, but i don't know if waterstones if it's actually waterstones doing it. >> think somebody should check >> i think somebody should check the the staff. well, >> it'll be the staff. well, i don't know. >> it could be, couldn't it? or just person just some naughty person who doesn't have free doesn't want us to all have free rein what we buy could rein on what books we buy could be there. and, you be going in there. and, you know, a could hide be going in there. and, you kno sausages could hide be going in there. and, you kno sausages in could hide be going in there. and, you kno sausages in tesco,ild hide be going in there. and, you kno sausages in tesco, you ide be going in there. and, you kno sausages in tesco, you know? the sausages in tesco, you know? it's possible, isn't it? it is possible. >> there's weird thing >> but there's a weird thing that are i that why there are normally i dismiss stuff i see on twitter like don't believe like this. i don't believe everything i see. but there's been claims of this and been so many claims of this and it's been with other people's been so many claims of this and it's be like 'ith other people's been so many claims of this and it's be like julie:her people's been so many claims of this and it's be like julie:her pe0|books books like julie bindels books and joyce's book. and helen joyce's book. >> funny enough, today i saw an article that breivik's article that andreas breivik's manifesto is actually still on sale on the waterstones website, which is that's allowed . which is that's allowed. >> so you buy that. you >> so you can buy that. you could kampf, could probably buy mein kampf, but by but you can't buy books by feminists what is feminists. there you go. what is going feminists. there you go. what is goiiit's well, you feminists. there you go. what is goiiit's well , you know, it's >> it's well, you know, it's back fashion. what is old back in fashion. what is old adolf ? adolf? >> is he .
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>> is he. >> is he. >> is he. >> i don't know. >> i don't know. >> i don't know. >> i really hope not. that's corbyn. what do i know? >> yeah. okay let's move on now. >> yeah. okay let's move on now. >> do we have another question >> yeah. okay let's move on now. >>this we have another question >> yeah. okay let's move on now. >>this section? another question >> yeah. okay let's move on now. >>this section? yesther question >> yeah. okay let's move on now. >>this section? yes jackie restion >> yeah. okay let's move on now. >>this section? yes jackie .estion >> yeah. okay let's move on now. >>this section? yes jackie . hi,»n in this section? yes jackie. hi, jackie. hi >> is it time to make misgendering a crime ? misgendering a crime? >> i love this. i saw this newsweek poll. this. did you see this poll? so newsweek did a poll and now this is great news. so apparently people between the age of 25 and 34, 44% of those people say that you should be arrested if you misgender people. that's quite a lot of younger people supporting authoritarianism isn't it? that's that's what you're saying about adolf coming back in fashion. it's a bit like that, isn't it? >> yeah, it turns out you're right. have they thought this through? mean, like, through? no no. i mean, like, just the resources to police. what i changed my gender what if i changed my gender dunng what if i changed my gender during conversation ? during our conversation? >> as you often do, as i often do? >> n do? » n >> yeah. i mean, it's just. even. even if i believed in it, which i do not. how on earth would you ever police that? which i do not. how on earth wotbut'ou ever police that? which i do not. how on earth wotbut there's' police that? which i do not. how on earth wotbut there's also ce that? which i do not. how on earth wotbut there's also the hat? >> but there's also the principle free speech, right?
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principle of free speech, right? yes. think once the government principle of free speech, right? yes. arresting:e the government principle of free speech, right? yes. arresting people overnment starts arresting people for the words that words they choose to use, that is bad. like history tells us that's quite bad when that happens, doesn't it dodgy precedent? >> oh, 100. mean, i think >> oh, 100. i mean, i think sure, if you want to respect how somebody wants to identify and call them that, that should be your you your choice. absolutely. and you know, not? i mean, i suppose know, why not? i mean, i suppose there are reasons why but there are reasons why not. but do be do your thing. but to be arrested the wrong do your thing. but to be arrestis, the wrong do your thing. but to be arrestis, me the wrong do your thing. but to be arrestis, me completely|g word is, to me completely insane. you should. insane. like you should. you know, who is pro know, not everyone who is pro free has good intentions, free speech has good intentions, but you sure that but you can be sure that everyone who free everyone who is against free speech everyone who is against free speyeah, think right. >> yeah, i think that's right. and is and this idea of, you know, is it the idea that if you're offending people that that is sufficient people to be sufficient for people to be prosecuted people offend prosecuted because people offend me all the you it me all the time. you did it earlier. you the way you earlier. you know, the way you speak i should to speak to me, i should be able to worry about where about a tie. >> know, it's >> but yeah, you know, it's fine. think being fine. but like, i think being offended just part of life. offended is just part of life. and, know , you get offended. and, you know, you get offended. so well , yeah, i know. >> it just. i mean, i'm always saying because i do a lot of talks at universities and stuff and are and the younger people are always up for debate and always so up for debate and up for discussion . the people for discussion. the people i meet i don't get this.
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meet anyway, i don't get this. i don't believe in this that don't believe in this idea that the younger generation are all snowflakes say. you snowflakes as people say. you think of online think it's more of an online thing? don't know what it is. thing? i don't know what it is. but then these kind but then i see these kind of polls just but then i see these kind of polls the just but then i see these kind of polls the wrong just but then i see these kind of polls the wrong people? meeting the wrong people? >> that's why i think they haven't and haven't thought it through. and maybe without maybe in the moment without any you know, they think, oh, yeah, that kind that sounds like a nice kind thing. i wonder what the circumstances are when they're being circumstances are when they're beiimaybe. the question >> maybe. the question was skewed people . skewed to the people. >> aim enough to a poll. >> aim enough to do a poll. >> aim enough to do a poll. >> if authoritarians >> yeah. but if authoritarians ism back in fashion, ism is coming back in fashion, well that's well, yeah, you know, that's really stuff . but that's really scary stuff. but that's why i guess . why this show exists. i guess. so on free speech nation is so next on free speech nation is the practise of debunking the new practise of debunking people for their political views and assault on free speech or legitimate commercial behaviour. see you in a minute. legitimate commercial behaviour. see you in a minute . that warm see you in a minute. that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello and welcome to your latest weather update from the met office. i'm marco petagna. we hold on to unsettled weather
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conditions across uk during conditions across the uk during the week ahead. think we'll the week ahead. i think we'll see rain at and see further rain at times and feeling in the feeling quite chilly too in the brisk low pressure is brisk breeze. low pressure is dominating at the moment. a fairly deep of low pressure fairly deep area of low pressure gradually pulling away towards the over next the east of the uk over the next day this slow day or so. but notice this slow moving rain across a moving band of rain across a central the uk that central slice of the uk that continues to give some heavy bursts evening . in bursts through the evening. in fact, weather warning fact, we have a weather warning in midnight in force until midnight eight and pushes south and that band then pushes south into parts of england into southern parts of england and the hours. and wales into the early hours. the far south—east hold onto some and clearer some clear spells and clearer with few showers towards the with a few showers towards the north and northwest, turning north and northwest, but turning chilly clear spots chilly under those clear spots towards northwest. towards the northwest. two temperatures figures temperatures into single figures here as for monday, well, it's a case of fairly wet conditions across the south. during the morning, bursts of morning, some heavy bursts of rain at times giving to rain at times giving way to brighter north brighter skies from the north and but fresher air and northwest. but fresher air moving too. as we head moving in, too. so as we head into the afternoon, most spots are brighter. are becoming brighter. still a scattering of showers, particularly north scattering of showers, part northwest north scattering of showers, part northwest and north scattering of showers, part northwest and once north scattering of showers, part northwest and once again, and northwest and once again, fairly chilly for the time of yeah fairly chilly for the time of year. temperatures generally peaking teens towards peaking in the mid teens towards the down towards the north, higher down towards the north, higher down towards the south of 19 or 2020 and 68in
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fahrenheit. tuesday looks set to see another day of sunshine and showers . the showers quite well, showers. the showers quite well, scattered towards the south and east of uk. but quite a few east of the uk. but quite a few packing in towards the north and northwest in a fairly chilly northwest in a fairly chilly north breeze . north to northwesterly breeze. and temperatures north to northwesterly breeze. and the temperatures north to northwesterly breeze. and the high1peratures north to northwesterly breeze. and the high teens jres peaking in the high teens locally to around 20 degrees. further expected around further rain is expected around the middle the week, giving the middle of the week, giving way and showers way to sunshine and showers again thursday . again on thursday. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. proud sponsors of weather on .
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radio. >> welcome back to free speech nafion >> welcome back to free speech nation . the boss of natwest nation. the boss of natwest group, dame alison rose, has apologised to nigel farage after his account was closed by coutts bank, which is owned by natwest. farage, a former politician who
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is of course now a presenter on gb news, says his account was closed because the bank did not agree with his political views and dossier from and he obtained a dossier from coutts his suitability coutts regarding his suitability as a customer, which appeared to support his claims. has support his claims. rose has apologised for the comments in the dossier, but the row has raised some important questions regarding as regarding freedom of speech as well a practise well as highlighting a practise known . so here to known as banking. so here to discuss this, i'm pleased to welcome yasmin birtles , the welcome yasmin birtles, the financial journalist and founder of money magpie, and bryn harris , chief legal counsel at the free speech union in. so jasmine , i want to come to you first. so what do you make of this? because it's quite it's not just nigel this has happened nigel farage. this has happened to people have to a number of people who have effectively been banked. >> exactly. i mean, >> yeah, well, exactly. i mean, i've been shouting about this for year and i'm for over a year now, and i'm really pleased , actually, that really pleased, actually, that it's because it's happened to nigel because he's he's going to he's a big mouth. he's going to make big about and make a big fuss about it and he's on and on. and he's going to go on and on. and now the between his now he's got the bit between his teeth realises that teeth because he realises that there of thousands of there are tens of thousands of people and organisations whom people and organisations to whom this has happened. yes, mean,
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this has happened. yes, i mean, including charities, individual isles who have maybe political views tend to be on the right. surprise surprise, because the establishment , of course, is to establishment, of course, is to the left. but then at the same time, some of the one of the points that was identified in the dossier was that he retweeted joke ricky retweeted a joke by ricky gervais, is a gender gervais, which is a gender critical joke. >> yes. and most gender critical feminists on the left . are feminists are on the left. are they be targeted? they now going to be targeted? well yeah, they perfectly well could be. >> and what this means to me is that we're getting close to that we're getting very close to a style social credit a china style social credit system where they look at your tweets. you know, if you say something nasty the something nasty about the government, are government, suddenly you are debunked. can't spend any money. >> so what has this got to do with banks? what opinion is with banks? what your opinion is about got to about anything? what's it got to do well, not much would the >> well, not much would be the reasonable what reasonable answer, but what we're that banks are we're finding is that banks are having clauses in their having these clauses in their terms they say something terms whereby they say something about values. you know, you must comply with our values comply with our with our values . and i think what's happening, we the free speech union, we sometimes see behind the scenes
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in institutions as to how these slightly bizarre provisions arise . and i think it's very arise. and i think it's very likely that when these things are proposed that we should have are proposed that we should have a values clause . it's very hard a values clause. it's very hard internally to say, well , hang internally to say, well, hang on, let's think let's think about the ramifications of that. let's think of the other consideration options. >> you know, so if i'm looking for guidance, i'm not for moral guidance, i'm not going to a bank. i going to go to a bank. so, i mean, really, don't care what mean, really, i don't care what their i mean, their their values are. i mean, their values as money their values are. i mean, their valpossible. as money their values are. i mean, their valpossible. yeah, as money their values are. i mean, their valpossible. yeah, absolutely.|oney as possible. yeah, absolutely. >> , you know, think >> and, you know, i think there's something to be for there's something to be said for keeping commercial arrangements, just you know, their only just that you know, their only role is to look after your money and hopefully pay a bit of interest on it. >> but jasmine, let's have a look at what about the libertarian argument, which would a would say, you know, it's a private be private company. they should be able want able to do whatever they want and any private company should be service be able to refuse service to whoever whatever whoever they want for whatever reason do fundamentally >> yes. and i do fundamentally agree with that. you know, if it's a making company , as it's a cake making company, as we've in we've heard, you know, in the past , you know, you you past or, you know, you just you happen to do something lots
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happen to do something that lots of people do not a of other people do not a problem. but banking is more of a service and what we're also finding is that it's not just one bank. it's not just one organisation. and you can go somewhere else. i mean, with the free speech had a problem free speech union had a problem with it's difficult with paypal. it's very difficult to an alternative to paypal to find an alternative to paypal at the moment and you know, we desperately need one. >> that's interesting, it? >> that's interesting, isn't it? because union had because free speech union had its account nuked its paypal account nuked effectively . we did come back effectively. we did come back eventually, but only because toby young made a stink about it, right? >> yeah, absolutely. so we were sort of canary mine sort of the canary in the mine in and, you know, we were in this and, you know, we were able our account able to get our account reinstated. that's because reinstated. and that's because as a campaigning group, we know law makers, people government. >> ever say why? >> did they ever say why? >> did they ever say why? >> didn't. and you >> no, they didn't. and you know, they can't say we oppose free speech. >> why it. that >> that's why we did it. that wouldn't look. no, >> that's why we did it. that w> wouldn't. whatever the >> it wouldn't. whatever the truth they couldn't say truth of it, they couldn't say that. truth of it, they couldn't say that . now, one truth of it, they couldn't say that. now, one thing truth of it, they couldn't say that . now, one thing the that. now, one thing the government proposing , you government is proposing, you know, going to amend know, they're going to amend the payment regulations. payment services regulations. yes. there will be a duty to yes. and there will be a duty to give reasons. you need that
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give reasons. and you need that because appeal against because you can't appeal against the if you've got no the decision if you've got no idea why it. idea as to why they made it. >> i was going to ask, when are we to have of law we going to have a change of law to kind of to ensure that this kind of thing can't happen? >> up. >> well, it's coming up. so after happened to us, we after it happened to us, we talked andrew griffiths. he's talked to andrew griffiths. he's the minister. and, you the treasury minister. and, you know, he's he's a good guy to be looking after this. he's sharp, he's . and you know, the he's dynamic. and you know, the farage farrago is really sort of, you know, lit a fire underneath this. so something is happening. there's going to be a longer notice period is what we're there's going to be we're told. there's going to be a give reasons. and this a duty to give reasons. and this is still think the is all good. i still think the government can go further. and i mean, really , i think what we mean, really, i think what we needis mean, really, i think what we need is for there to be, you know, punitive response know, such a punitive response to this in terms of damages and fines no bank would ever fines that no bank would ever consider doing this again. that's what need. that's what we need. >> bnng that's what we need. >> bring you in >> jasmine, can i bring you in here? the things that's here? one of the things that's confused whole confused me about this whole situation number of situation is the number of prominent wing individuals prominent left wing individuals who are now suddenly cheerleaders for banks. it's really weird. i mean, i saw paul mason on tv doing exactly this. and you think you're not left
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wing anymore if you're doing this, you're about as hyper, right wing as you can be at this point. >> well, exactly. it's extraordinary. and got extraordinary. and i've got friends been saying the friends who've been saying the same. said so i had same. i've just said so i had a friend morning said, oh, friend this morning said, oh, yeah, bank nigel yeah, well, i'd bank nigel farage. and i said, well would you with , you know, somebody you with, you know, somebody else, somebody on the else, maybe somebody on the left. oh well i don't know. so you know, the principle , it's we you know, the principle, it's we need to understand principle, not personalities. it has a. is this a good principle? no no, it isn't. and this is why there are people who are unbanked for example, for national for national reasons. i've heard of people who've been unbanked because they're iranian. and that's through a solicitor who's been on their behalf. that's through a solicitor who's been you on their behalf. that's through a solicitor who's been you known their behalf. that's through a solicitor who's beenyou know , their behalf. that's through a solicitor who's been you know , there behalf. that's through a solicitor who's been you know , there are|alf. that's through a solicitor who's beenyou know , there are all and, you know, there are all these sort of situations and all sorts of places. there's a charity that anti—abortion. they've been debunked by one of their banks, all sorts of people and organisations who are paying taxes. they're entirely legal , taxes. they're entirely legal, they are being de banked,
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whereas all of the banks have murder heirs, rapists, fraudsters on their list , fraudsters on their list, perfectly happy to have them . perfectly happy to have them. but if you question, you know , but if you question, you know, anything on on the right, perhaps you know, if you're a bit on the right your question elements on the left that's it you can't have a bank. >> what's shocking about this is not a few rogue members not just a few rogue members of staff gone a bit mad. staff who have gone a bit mad. it's there was a full dossier which was signed off by. at the top level. right so this top level. yes. right so this is something built in to the something that's built in to the system here. >> think you know, this >> well, i think you know, this again, wider thing. >> well, i think you know, this aga it's wider thing. >> well, i think you know, this aga it's justier thing. >> well, i think you know, this agait's justier thin we're >> it's not just banks. we're seeing it at the moment with banks, it's across all kinds banks, but it's across all kinds of businesses . and the bigger of businesses. and the bigger the business, i mean, supermarkets , for example, the supermarkets, for example, the bigger business, the more bigger the business, the more they seem to hamstrung more they seem to be hamstrung more and by this sort of and more by by this sort of well, i would say the woke culture, you know, it's a word that's lot, companies that's used a lot, but companies , organisations that have got into these big companies and said you must not allow this, you must not say this, but you must have that flag, you must
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have those words up here and there. >> so is this britain just an extension culture? is extension of cancel culture? is that seeing here? and that what we're seeing here? and that's why the right that's why the left right distinction that's why the left right distinctio anymore here? anything anymore here? >> i think so. so we know >> yeah, i think so. so we know that this new policy at cuts came about roundabouts , the time came about roundabouts, the time of blm . and that would have been of blm. and that would have been a time , i think, where many a time, i think, where many employees cuts even if they disagreed , i would have thought disagreed, i would have thought i'm not going to push back against this. so i mean, you know, it could well be that there is an entire sort of organisational culture here, but i think more likely is that it only takes a few people to propose something this. and propose something like this. and all those who should be the cross the to cross check and the balance to say, are say, well, look, there are other considerations here. what we considerations here. what if we end them unfairly? considerations here. what if we end if them unfairly? considerations here. what if we end if end them unfairly? considerations here. what if we end if end thebreaching'? considerations here. what if we end if end thebreaching our what if we end up breaching our fca obligations? those voices are dampened because are being dampened because there's a great fear here about being the one to stand up against this sort of initiative i >>i >> i mean, i have been quite heartened, though, for all heartened, though, that for all those sort left wing people those sort of left wing people who the banks, those sort of left wing people who also the banks, those sort of left wing people who also been the banks, those sort of left wing people who also been th ofianks, there's also been a lot of people the who people on the left who fundamentally disagree with nigel farage's viewpoints, who
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have him have come out and defended him and we, know, we had and said, we, you know, we had josh headliners josh howie on headliners who is very of the left and very very much of the left and very much nigel on much disagrees with nigel on everything, this is everything, but saying this is absolutely mean, absolutely outrageous. i mean, so like that will so more voices like that will help, right? >> absolutely. it's that thing i was today, was thinking this today, you know, fundamentally know, that i fundamentally disagree with your views, but i will to the death for your will fight to the death for your right to hold yes right to hold them. yes and that's should saying. that's what we should be saying. we everybody that's what we should be saying. we a everybody that's what we should be saying. we a right everybody that's what we should be saying. we a right their everybody that's what we should be saying. we a right their ownerybody that's what we should be saying. we a right their own views.r has a right to their own views. we're going force you to we're not going to force you to have your views. i might not like them. i might not want to hear particularly it hear them particularly. but it is to them . is your right to have them. >> paul mason have >> yes. would paul mason have been thing it been saying the same thing if it had corbyn, instance? >> really, really? don't think so. 50. >> so. >> it seems unlikely. it feels like tribal ism has like political tribal ism has sort taken over. sort of taken over. >> yeah, so. again, and >> yeah, i think so. again, and i think jasmine is absolutely right that need get right to say that we need to get to of principle in to the heart of the principle in this. identif fi this. now, if you identif fi that which do you that principle, which is do you think should be able think that banks should be able to use power this way to use their power in this way such that they can make judgements about your politics? i think when you can sort of bnng i think when you can sort of bring it back to that, we can all agree, no matter what our politics power that
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all agree, no matter what our prbank power that all agree, no matter what our prbank due power that all agree, no matter what our prbank due to power that all agree, no matter what our pwer that all agree, no matter what our prbank due to its moneyit a bank has due to its money should not be abused so that they can play favourites between people with different politics. >> interesting. well, >> very, very interesting. well, jasmine birtles and brit harris, thanks joining me. thanks so much forjoining me. thank you . and next on free thank you. and next on free speech nation , former deputy speech nation, former deputy leader of the green party, sara ali, will update us on his legal dispute with the political party who he believes forced him out due to his gender critical beliefs . see you in due to his gender critical beliefs. see you in a moment.
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radio. >> welcome back to free speech nation. with me, andrew doyle. and later in the show, i'm going to be turning agony uncle with the help of my panel . dalton to be turning agony uncle with the help of my panel. dalton and jonathan , we're going to jonathan kogan, we're going to help your help you deal with your unfiltered so not unfiltered dilemmas. so why not email your problems? email us with your problems? just at gb views at gb just email us at gb views at gb news, .uk and we will do our best to answer your issues. in february last shahrar ali
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february last year, shahrar ali launched legal action against the green party, a political organisation he had campaigned on behalf for over 20 years. on behalf of for over 20 years. mr ali believes he was unjustly removed from his post as the party's spokesperson for policing and domestic safety because of his gender critical beliefs . liz reason, chair of beliefs. liz reason, chair of the party's executive at the time, said the green party executive has removed shahrar ali from his role as party spokesperson for breaches of the speaker's code of conduct trial dates have been set for august 21st, august 25th, at the central london county court at the royal courts of justice and surah ali joins me now. welcome to the show . so a lot of people to the show. so a lot of people are going to hear this and they're going to be a bit confused. what exactly happened? they're going to be a bit conflwere what exactly happened? they're going to be a bit conflwere what exewereiappened? they're going to be a bit conflwere what exewere 1app didd? why were you why were you did you your post? you lose your post? >> been a national >> well, i'd been a national spokesperson for the best part of ten years. even at that point in i'd been in 2021. and i'd been reappointed through a proper selection process and there was a backlash . the mob was set upon a backlash. the mob was set upon me on the day that we launched the spokespersons. some people
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took exception, some people then began what i would describe as a six month campaign to have me removed. and if you think of it like signing a contract for a job, it's reasonably analogous , job, it's reasonably analogous, like having an appointment. i felt like i had my contract redesigned and i was asked to sign a new one and then subjected to a what shall we say, a retrospective probation process with the loss of my line manager. in addition, that's how bad it was. >> but this is very strange. a lot of people are going to be thinking, been thinking, but you've been with the long, you've the party for so long, you've worked tirelessly, and worked for them tirelessly, and yet here they're getting rid of you they agree you because they don't agree with you on one particular point of green party of view. isn't the green party supposed to have an ethos of debate and discussion and disagreement? >> been. it's been >> it always has been. it's been a universal of ideas, and i think that's best for politics. but now we've reached a situation where on on the left of would say we are of politics, i would say we are the most extreme example of authoritarianism . and of course, authoritarianism. and of course, it was said at the last point that there was a objection on to
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my views on trans rights. >> what exactly had you said? well it's never been put to me. >> that's the other astonishing thing going into a court law. >> that's the other astonishing thinneverlg into a court law. >> that's the other astonishing thinnever been) a court law. >> that's the other astonishing thinnever been put:ourt law. >> that's the other astonishing thin never been put toirt law. >> that's the other astonishing thinnever been put to me law. >> that's the other astonishing thin never been put to me what it's never been put to me what it is that i've said that's objectionable and which part of the of conduct objectionable and which part of the breached of conduct objectionable and which part of the breached ? of conduct i've breached? >> it's just that i i've breached? >> it'sjust that i do i've breached? >> it's just that i do follow you twitter not you on twitter and you're not the out the sort who puts out objectionable , nasty comments. objectionable, nasty comments. you're measured , you're always very measured, always it seems always very kind. it seems weird. well, i'm careful and as spokesperson for policing and domestic safety, i had an explicit brief to talk about justice . justice. >> its spokespersons are supposed to be discussing topics of the day. so when we have a debate in the house of lords, for example, about prisons policy, it's an issue. it's not something that you can just brush under the carpet if you've got mail. sex offenders who have been let into the female prison estate knowingly and they commit offence and rape, that's a concern . that's something i as a concern. that's something i as a good green politician, need to be talking about, good green politician, need to be talking about , especially be talking about, especially somebody who speaks on justice
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affairs and why would that be considered objectionable? >> surely that's a view that we can all get behind. you know, it's that these things it's not good that these things because be because it's deemed to be transphobic . transphobic. >> dealing with not >> we are now dealing with not just one, two, but three court cases in the pipeline. this will be the first of its kind to demonstrate. we've had the forces two ruling in 2021 that the so—called gender critical belief, the common or garden belief, the common or garden belief that sex is immutable, which everybody believes is a protected belief worthy of respect in a democratic society . what i'm doing now, speaking truth to power, sadly having to do so within my own party, is that gender critical belief, the idea that sex is immutable is worthy of respect in a political party. and the reason is politics is about legislation. it's about making robust legislation. and if we can't speak freely within the party, we are going to make bad legislation. >> and it's not just the greens, is it? this, of course is torn.
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the snp apart. we've seen in the labour party the treatment of rosie from party rosie duffield from party members, from fellow party members. pretty members. there's been pretty appalling why is appalling on this issue. why is it that there a certain it that there is a certain content agent of politician in today's society we that cannot engage with this issue in an aduu engage with this issue in an adult way, but instead says any point of disagreement must be evidence hatred phobia or evidence of hatred phobia or whatever you want to call it. >> there element >> i think there is an element which particularly afflicted which is particularly afflicted by leaning politics of by left leaning politics of identitarian politics. the idea , for example, even when we marched against the iraq war, some have been saying some of us may have been saying not we didn't say not in our name. we didn't say over bodies. over our dead bodies. we threatened to bring the country to a standstill, we didn't. threatened to bring the country to fact. ndstill, we didn't. threatened to bring the country to fact. ndstill, trouble didn't. threatened to bring the country to fact. ndstill, trouble isdn't. threatened to bring the country to fact. ndstill, trouble is we're in fact. so the trouble is we're deaung in fact. so the trouble is we're dealing with a veneer of politics, the appearance, not the substance of politics, one in which we can say , i am not in which we can say, i am not going to put up with you offending me despite the fact that you have good cause to want to explore this debate where there is a conflict of rights of sorts or claims that needs to be
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negotiated . so it's identitarian negotiated. so it's identitarian politics. the idea that you're waving a flag and that this flag has supreme value . uh, yeah. has supreme value. uh, yeah. >> but if someone is raising the alarm about the threats to women's safety, you know, when it comes to women safeguarding, when it comes to single sex spaces and necessity for spaces and the necessity for them , and if that person who them, and if that person who raises alarm is dismissed raises the alarm is dismissed as hateful, transphobic , doesn't hateful, as transphobic, doesn't that look like that from the outside look like the greens don't care all that much women's rights? the greens don't care all that mu well, women's rights? the greens don't care all that muwell, wonextraordinary >> well, what's extraordinary is, is that we are a party that defends and fights for the rights of all discrimination against all. and i am not going to be silent on matters as great as the refusal and the intimidation even of women to be able to self organise, to discuss their concerns and their rights, and yet not even advocating what it is should be the position just to defend their right to self—organize. that's astonishing . that's astonishing. >> yes. we've also got a tweet out which we found online, which has gone pretty far. out which we found online, which has gone pretty far . this from a has gone pretty far. this from a green party member talking about
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how here it is getting rid of transphobes from the green party is my priority more than winning more mps, more than winning more councillors or keeping the ones we have more than literally anything else. the party needs to be a safe place for trans members. there's a lot to members. now there's a lot to unpack there, but the assumption being that people who are for women's essentially women's rights are essentially transphobes , which is false. so transphobes, which is false. so that's thing that that that's the first thing that that tweet , but also tweet is saying, but also suggesting that this must prioritise absolute, absolute. anything people out anything else driving people out for thing is more for wrong thing is more important than even environmental it's environmental issues when it's called the green party. >> that is an >> yeah, i mean, that is an appalling position to take and i think that as think i recognise that as a represent relative of the under 18 youth wing in green party 18 youth wing in the green party and lot of traction. and that got a lot of traction. so support so there was a lot of support for statement in our for that public statement in our party. and what you have to consider is this, is that we have we are supposed to be an objective party. we cannot have we are supposed to be an objectivcredible we cannot have we are supposed to be an objectiv credible while nnot have we are supposed to be an objectivcredible while asking remain credible while asking people to come on board in terms of the climate emergency and the potential existential threat to us. you may not agree with that.
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it's a matter of time. we can disagree about how long we've got. objectively got. but to argue objectively according to the science, to according to the science, to according the carbon output, and then to say at the same time there is no such thing as women's rights and sex based rights. well that does make sense . a little unknown, sense. a little unknown, unnoficed sense. a little unknown, unnoticed fact . it is that our unnoticed fact. it is that our policy is itself gender critical. we talk about in our health section, we talk about single sex wards for women in hospitals in order to protect their dignity. hospitals in order to protect their dignity . and we also talk their dignity. and we also talk about the fact that no child should leave school without understanding the basic medical realities of reproduction. so we are actually a gender critical party. yes, my mistake is that i have been promulgating as somebody who's written a couple of books in green politics, as somebody the circuit, somebody who's done the circuit, who's been a deputy leader and elected that i'm elected into that position. i'm somebody believe knows the somebody who i believe knows the party's inside out and party's policy inside out and unprepared to compromise. green
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values, policies and ethos for the sake of this bullying faction in the party which is frankly taking it over. >> and how does it feel on a personal level? because you know, you've put so much into this party and to have certain members of it turn you members of it turn against you in this way so that it has to go to court, it must take a personal toll. >> it is horrific, >> it is it is horrific, actually. it takes a deep personal toll. i have to say. i couldn't have survived it were it for brilliant people it not for the brilliant people all across all spectrums of politics in the public arena , politics in the public arena, not just on social media, but also in my own party, it's friends and not only friends who have stuck with you . i think one have stuck with you. i think one of the best lessons of all this is knowing who your true friends are. and that is a are. and i think that is a lesson worth knowing, but also friends didn't you friends who you didn't know you had there's had, who had your back. there's a which will come a lot which will come out in disclosure go to court, disclosure when we go to court, which won't indulge now, but i which i won't indulge now, but i think it's it has been very costly emotionally , mentally, costly emotionally, mentally, physically. and of course , physically. and of course, monetarily. but i think 1—1 can
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only do this if one believes in the cause and the fight, not just for the sake of democratic politics, because if you can't have. politics, because if you can't have . free speech, legislation have. free speech, legislation suffers . you all have you know, suffers. you all have you know, there is no way i could not speak out for the rights and the well—being of children going through a clinic with experimental drugs, facing several, several years down the line. regard freda payne, lifelong torment because they had not had proper medical due diligence . if that isn't a green diligence. if that isn't a green issue, i don't know what is. >> and finally, if you could just explain, you know, you've got a crowdfunder up to help with because is got a crowdfunder up to help with expensive. because is got a crowdfunder up to help with expensive. itecause is got a crowdfunder up to help with expensive. it is,jse is got a crowdfunder up to help with expensive. it is, yeah.is got a crowdfunder up to help with expensive. it is, yeah. how very expensive. it is, yeah. how can people support this? can people support you on this? >> can search qarali >> you can search qarali crowdjustice the title is worthy of respect in a political party because that's the aim of this case is to say not only must we
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defend the rights of people to be able to speak freely on sex in public, but especially in political parties, we must not tolerate actually representatives of political parties being subdued and harassed in in those political parties because then policy , parties because then policy, pubuc parties because then policy, public policy and rights of all will suffer. >> charlie , thanks so much for >> charlie, thanks so much for joining us today. really appreciate it. thank you. >> thank you. thank you. now the green party declined to comment this week. >> we did ask for a comment, but they have previously the they have said previously the green party strongly defends the right party members to right of party members to contest policies and contest our policies and embraces both free speech. however, our spokespeople have an additional layer of responsibility and have all signed a code of conduct which makes it clear those makes it clear that those representing this representing the party at this level which representing the party at this level been which representing the party at this level been voted which representing the party at this level been voted for which representing the party at this level been voted for by which representing the party at this level been voted for by members have been voted for by members and towards party unity . and work towards party unity. okay, well, i think that's enough of that. next on free speech nation , we're going to be speech nation, we're going to be assessing london mayor sadiq
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khan's latest campaign will men saying mate to each other end sexism? see you shortly .
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welcome back to free speech nation. with me, andrew doyle, the mayor of london, sadiq khan, has launched a new campaign designed to help men challenge their friends if they feel they are being sexist or misogynistic . backed by comedian romesh ranganathan, the campaign will encourage men to say, mate , encourage men to say, mate, speu encourage men to say, mate, spelt with three a's to their friends. if they cross the line. the campaign includes an interactive video. viewers can hit a mate button if they think the characters are acting in a sexist manner. let's take a look i >> reviewed. oh my days. is that a bird running the line? so what now? i've got women telling me
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i'm wrong about football as well i >> -- >> so true, bro. what do they know about a game man ? know about a game man? >> did you not watch the women's euros? >> it's pretty decent. it's pretty it's pretty good pretty decent. it's pretty good . yeah. >> laugh. that stuff's a >> for a laugh. that stuff's a joke you, them joke. mind you, some of them players are fit, though . players are pretty fit, though. >> joining me. players are pretty fit, though. >> joining me . sorry. can't keep >> joining me. sorry. can't keep a straight face. joining me to discuss this is the journalist and author ella whelan, who . and author ella whelan, who. okay. that's actually the first time i've seen that and you have to press the button when someone says something problematic . now, says something problematic. now, you know, as a woman , do you you know, as a woman, do you feel this will solve the problems casual misogyny in society? >> absolutely . i mean, this >> absolutely. i mean, this forget about any kind of law change or anything like we change or anything like this. we i bnng i can't even actually bring myself the word mate like myself to say the word mate like that. so cringe and cringe that. it is so cringe and cringe worthy, it ? and, you know, worthy, isn't it? and, you know, i mean, we to be serious i mean, if we want to be serious about you look at the about this, if you look at the website this website that accompanies this video , it goes through it's like video, it goes through it's like treating men like they are like they are like worse than less intelligent than children . it's intelligent than children. it's kind of in baby language saying,
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you know, misogynistic behaviour are things like people calling their ex girlfriends crazy and, you know, which isn't even true. that's not what misogyny means, but it is like it is. it's it's like interference from , um, the like interference from, um, the authorities for dummies. like interference from, um, the authorities for dummies . yes. authorities for dummies. yes. it's incredible. and you know what it will do for women in is nothing, number one. most importantly. but actually i think it might even have an effect of it trivialises where problems are. so if it is , if it problems are. so if it is, if it is the case that men are, which some still do, are saying misogynistic things to you on the street, having someone turn to a jovially to their friend and go, oh mate , it's not really and go, oh mate, it's not really and go, oh mate, it's not really a proportionate response . a proportionate response. >> this is an interesting thing, isn't it? because the kind of people who do engage in casual misogyny, not going to misogyny, they're not going to change behaviour on this change their behaviour on this kind of basis. and it's weird to think know, kind of basis. and it's weird to think this know, kind of basis. and it's weird to think this is know, kind of basis. and it's weird to think this is this know, kind of basis. and it's weird to think this is this is know, kind of basis. and it's weird to think this is this is the znow, kind of basis. and it's weird to think this is this is the thing. well, this is this is the thing. >> so sadiq khan and his team's theory and this is what they say
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on the website, is that worse these are the first step towards these are the first step towards the slippery slope kind of bad behaviour. criminal behaviour. and so they say, you saying like that clip depict noted that women are bad at football or that women are, you know are less than men in some way. it's a hop, skip and a jump to things that happen to for example sarah everard and that we have this spectrum of male behaviour which starts with banter and ends with rape and with rape culture. >> isn't that policing humour though ? to a degree, because though? to a degree, because sometimes people are just joking about things and, and about these things and, and there's going there's no way it's going to lead those of lead to those sort of atrocities? it just isn't true. >> it just it is not true that having i don't know, even i struggle to even call it outdated, just silly discussions about women or, you know, people joking around and or kind of whatever, whether you want to call it male banter is not a red flag for someone taking an act against a misogynistic act against a misogynistic act against women. that's a serious issue . we know that actually is issue. we know that actually is this ridiculous fallacy that
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that men who commit crimes or do terrible things to women are just falling into that behaviour because they're this slope. because they're on this slope. they what they don't really know what they're doing. that's actually a really dangerous way looking really dangerous way of looking at somebody rapes and at why somebody rapes them and why somebody abuses someone. but it's sort of, you it's also this sort of, you know, as london mayor know, sadiq khan as london mayor has ticked off a lot of londoners for his failures . londoners for his failures. okay. lots of people vote for him. i don't like him because of what he's done the ulez, him. i don't like him because of what he's done with the ulez, him. i don't like him because of what he's done with ,he ulez, him. i don't like him because of what he's done with , you lez, him. i don't like him because of what he's done with , you know, what he's done with, you know, getting around london, even on pubuc getting around london, even on public transport, is nightmare public transport, is a nightmare . in is problem. . crime in london is a problem. the goes what he likes the list goes on. what he likes to do is interfere into londoners private lives, because what campaign is actually what this campaign is actually saying is that the london mayor has business telling you how to interact with your friends, has business telling you to business telling you what to think that's think about women. that's ridiculous . think about women. that's ridiculous. that's and i don't think any self—respecting londoner would listen to him or would take advice would take any advice from someone won . they don't someone who won. they don't know. number two, clearly know. and number two, clearly hasn't much with hasn't spent very much time with young recently because young men recently because that caricature is not the kind of young man i know.
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>> it's interesting because young man i know. >> it's arteresting because young man i know. >> it's a videoing because young man i know. >> it's a videoing be> it's a videoing be
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an policeman breathing an actual policeman breathing down have an actual policeman breathing do say have an actual policeman breathing do say , have an actual policeman breathing do say , you have an actual policeman breathing do say , you know, have an actual policeman breathing do say , you know, the have an actual policeman breathing do say , you know, the to have an actual policeman breathing do say , you know, the to and ave an actual policeman breathing do say , you know, the to and fro to say, you know, the to and fro between men and women has never been so fraught . and the reality been so fraught. and the reality is particularly in the is that particularly in the realm of sort of sexual and romantic relationships, banter , romantic relationships, banter, which is a word you can't use anymore , performs certain kind anymore, performs a certain kind of function , is call it of function, which is we call it flirting . you take the out flirting. you take the mick out of other, everything's of each other, everything's informal, and shove and informal, you push and shove and a lot of the time it turns out, well, you know, end going well, you know, you end up going home in home with someone or in a relationship. and i think relationship. yep. and i think the people nervous the more we make people nervous about that interaction, particularly , i mean, particularly young men, i mean, who young these who would be a young man these days? worried about who's constantly worried about who's going to put what you said on twitter and you'll be destroyed forever . so, yes, giving twitter and you'll be destroyed forever. so, yes, giving more young men a complex about that kind thing going to do kind of thing isn't going to do anything just anything for sexism. it's just going of going to make them more sort of socially which socially constipated, which i think terrible thing. think is a terrible thing. >> there isn't >> it's not that there isn't a problem a minority of men problem with a minority of men committing violence committing acts of violence against that's a against women, but that's a separate problem to what sadiq khan trying encounter here. >> i think i think khan is trying a of brownie
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trying to win a sort of brownie point for saying i doing point for saying i am doing something , you know, with something, you know, with a capital s for women on no women. i would i wait to be proven wrong. i don't think there has been massive from been a massive campaign from female londoners for him to launch this kind of action. i certainly don't think any men want advice on how to want his advice on how to interact with peers. this interact with their peers. this is a classic kind of politician doing something to look like he's doing something and he's been going on about been constantly going on about misogyny london a very, misogyny in london for a very, very long time. clearly very long time. he clearly hasn't out on the streets hasn't been out on the streets of london recently. the sort of thing happened sarah thing that happened to sarah everard thing that happened to sarah everarcsmallman that is nicole smallman that is absolutely rare. if you want to talk about sexism and violence against women, let's talk about things where it happens like domestic violence . yes, let's domestic violence. yes, let's talk what you're just talk about what you're just talking with ali. you talking about with shah ali. you know women know how women are being silenced for online holding valid views . this silenced for online holding valid views. this kind valid political views. this kind of stuff is insulting to women, but importantly, but i think most importantly, it's insulting to men. it's really insulting to men. they're not idiots. they're not horrible. not with horrible. they are not with every breath, insulting women. it's just i think i think more men not need to say mate to
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city, but up. city, but shut up. >> whelan thanks very >> okay? ella whelan thanks very much . and do join us after the much. and do join us after the break for more on free speech nafion break for more on free speech nation . see you in a few nation. see you in a few minutes. the temperature is rising. >> boxt solar. proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello and welcome to your latest weather update from the met office. i'm marco petagna. we hold to on unsettled weather conditions during conditions across the uk during the week ahead. i think we'll see rain times and see further rain at times and feeling too in the feeling quite chilly too in the brisk pressures brisk breeze. low pressures dominating at the moment. a fairly of low pressure fairly deep area of low pressure gradually pulling away towards the uk over next the east of the uk over the next day slow day or so. but notice this slow moving rain across a moving band of rain across a central of the uk that central slice of the uk that continues to give some heavy bursts evening . in bursts through the evening. in fact, weather warning bursts through the evening. in fa
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gb news. >> there's plenty more still to come on free speech nation this week. we've got a wonderful studio audience here tonight and they to grill me and they are about to grill me and my their questions my panel with their questions once again. first, let's get once again. but first, let's get a news update from smith . a news update from rory smith. >> thank you very much, andre. the government has sent a rapid deployment team to rhodes to support british nationals as wildfires continue to spread across greece , evacuations are across greece, evacuations are being described as the biggest in the country's history, as thousands of people flee homes and hotels , easyjet will operate and hotels, easyjet will operate three flights from rhodes next week to bring british holidaymakers back to the uk. several holiday firms, including jet2 tui and thomas cook, have cancelled all flights to the
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island until the end of the month . labour says its party month. labour says its party gathering this weekend has led the groundwork for an election winning manifesto. a spokesperson says the final document produced by the national policy forum contains no unfunded spending commitments and will lead to the building of and will lead to the building of a better britain. but the unite union says it can't support the document due to what it describes as the weakening of language . around zero hour language. around zero hour contracts. s sadiq khan is pressing ahead with plans to expand london's ultra low emission zone . that's despite emission zone. that's despite opposition from within his own party, the ulez policy was widely blamed for labour failing to win the seat of uxbridge in south ruislip at last week's by elections. it comes as conservative mp michael gove warns against treating the environment as a religious crusade and says that some net zero measures should be relaxed
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. ukraines president says he had hoped to start a counter—offensive against russia earlier but lacked the necessary weapons. vladimir zelenskyy told cnn that the delay allowed russia time to build several lines of defence, complicating his country's ability to fight back against the invasion. his comments come after russia pummelled the city of odesa in southern ukraine, killing at least one person and damaging scores of historical buildings , scores of historical buildings, more shops could be converted into homes and extensions made easier as the government launches a review of building rules in proposal is to be formally announced tomorrow. new freedoms to enlarge existing homes will also be outlined . the homes will also be outlined. the government says the idea is to make it easier to build upwards and outwards. michael gove argues that britain must make better use of the buildings we already have and cinemas all over the world are pink with glee. following the release of
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barbie. among those joining in the fun is prime minister rishi sunak , who went to see the film sunak, who went to see the film with his family. sunak, who went to see the film with his family . the movie with his family. the movie scored the highest preview ticket sales of the year, even surpassing the most recent spider—man film. while analysts are predicting one of the most lucrative box office weekends of all time . online dab+ radio and all time. online dab+ radio and on tunein. this is gb news nato. back to . back to. andrew >> welcome back to free speech nafion >> welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. and we're going to crack straight on getting some questions beautiful questions from our beautiful audience. our first question is from john. where's john? hi, john. >> good evening. was it right out to reclassify watership down? >> oh yeah. now this was a bit mad, was it? so watership down , mad, was it? so watership down, which was always quite a scary film from 1978. it's full of
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rabbits being torn apart. it is a cartoon , however, and they've a cartoon, however, and they've just upgraded it now from a u to a pg . i mean, is just upgraded it now from a u to a pg. i mean, is this just upgraded it now from a u to a pg . i mean, is this why not an a pg. i mean, is this why not an 18? why not an 18 crescent? is this just a sign that we are becoming more sensitive as a culture, do you think? >> i think it's just an admin error. this should never have supped error. this should never have slipped through the net. >> think should slipped through the net. >> have think should slipped through the net. >> have tha k should slipped through the net. >> have tha you should slipped through the net. >> have tha you know, it's ever have been a you know, it's horrible is horrible. ever have been a you know, it's hortotally is horrible. ever have been a you know, it's hor totally bemused le. ever have been a you know, it's hor totally bemused that and >> totally bemused that and i felt this as a child as well saw a no, not for me. a bit like, no, not for me. i remember being shocked a kid. remember being shocked as a kid. >> . >> yeah. >> 5 mean the rabbits >> because i mean the rabbits are their are literally they have their they get scratched, they have their blood their fertile, drawn off blood everywhere. yeah there's lots learn. >> i'd say don't want to >> i'd say you don't want to sort of infantilize everyone, but literally children but this is literally children who be watching who are going to be watching it. so a so it makes sense to make it a little bit you know, little bit more, you know, harder to watch. like even like a you guys see a similar film. did you guys see space with sexy space jam with the really sexy rabbit that should that should not be a u. i mean , that is it not be a u. i mean, that is it is there a sexy rabbit in it that's so sexy ? yeah. lola that's so sexy? yeah. lola bunny. are yours. >> but i think watership down is
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objectively violent. yeah. and the cruelty me but maybe you have to you know, it's like when parents buy a pet for their kids to teach them about death and they make you kill it. >> yeah. yeah. make >> yeah. yeah. they make you kill well , yes, kill the dog. yeah, well, yes, that's true. >> about inoculation . i >> i'm all about inoculation. i just think that it's too. it's too an extreme degree. >> well, then i think the >> okay, well, then i think the consensus is that they were right fine. they didn't right. that's fine. they didn't go enough, the consensus right. that's fine. they didn't go so rough, the consensus right. that's fine. they didn't go so let'si, the consensus right. that's fine. they didn't go so let's get the consensus right. that's fine. they didn't go so let's get a e consensus right. that's fine. they didn't go so let's get a questionsus here. so let's get a question from mary. where's mary? >> our teachers >> hi, mary. our teachers in florida are trying to rewrite history . history. >> yeah, kamala harris has weighed in on this one. she claims that in florida, which is, of course, now a republican area, that extremists are. what did she how did she put it? replacing history with lies . replacing history with lies. >> is that to do with books being swapped out at school and syllabuses being changed and. yeah, exactly. >> know, she she wants >> and you know, she she wants to sure that the kids are to make sure that the kids are learning to make sure that the kids are lea she's upset because somebody >> she's upset because somebody has suggested that who has suggested that people who were enslaved benefit were enslaved partly benefit from that . from that. >> i mean that's quite a bold
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claim isn't saying that a very that's that's her opinion not mine. >> yeah that is an enormously bold claim. i'd like some definitions of what you mean by benefiting . benefiting. >> this of those stories >> this is one of those stories where see the where i need to see the materials some where i need to see the mat yeah. >> exactly. yeah. >> exactly. yeah. >> i even read article. >> exactly. yeah. >> i think read article. >> exactly. yeah. >> i think read bitarticle. >> exactly. yeah. >> i think read bit oficle. >> exactly. yeah. >> i think read bit of tits. >> exactly. yeah. >> i think read bit of tit for >> i think it's a bit of tit for tat because as a you she tat because as a you know, she probably books her probably feels that books on her side , well, no. side have been, well, no. >> so ron desantis has been taking books off the shelves of schools , he's doing it schools, but he's been doing it when promoting when they've been promoting either or when either gender ideology or when they've and i've seen some images from when they're images from it when they're quite sexually explicit. and that weird in that is weird. that is weird in a young children a school, really young children being sexually being shown very sexually explicit being shown very sexually epres . >> yes. >> yes. >> may as well show them a film with rabbit. yeah yeah, with a sexy rabbit. yeah yeah, yeah, would yeah, yeah. that would be bad. >> spring awakening >> that was my spring awakening that what is that day. but i figure what is the solution here? just have the free marketplace of libraries and the choose . and just let the kids choose. what what's the what's the what do we what's the what's the solution? know. solution? well, i don't know. yeah, figure it out. yeah, well, figure it out. >> let's move to on a >> no, let's move to on a question jim. where's jim ? question from jim. where's jim? hi, jim. hi. question from jim. where's jim? hi, yeah,ii. question from jim. where's jim? hi, yeah, the question is, are >> yeah, the question is, are people people dressed as? people are people dressed as? welcome in theatres ?
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welcome in theatres? >> i take it you all thought, yeah. >> cressida, that's been saying how delighted we are that that jonathan's finally going to cultural events. >> i'm learning there was okay so this was at shakespeare's globe and this image went i mean i sort of couldn't believe it. >> it was a man in a outfit. so black leather. oh, there you can see him. >> he's wearing wearing see him. >.spank wearing wearing see him. >.spank master. wearing a spank master. >> 3000 . >> 3000. >> 3000. >> and he's not in the show. he's just a punter. >> he wasn't in the show. he was hanging out at the show. he doesn't look like your typical shakespeare audience member, does you think does he? what do you think is going do you going on there? i mean, do you think ? well, apparently the going on there? i mean, do you thinkwerell, apparently the going on there? i mean, do you thinkwere quite parently the going on there? i mean, do you thinkwere quite shockedthe going on there? i mean, do you thinkwere quite shocked .1e staff were quite shocked. >> welcome to london. i mean , is >> welcome to london. i mean, is this somebody everything this somebody doing everything in london? >> wasn't even pride . >> it wasn't even pride. >> it wasn't even pride. >> it wasn't even pride. >> i it know i like to think he just the wrong end he just got the wrong end like he thought a like fancy thought it was like a like fancy dress party. >> wasn't just got completely >> it wasn't just got completely the up >> it wasn't just got completely the like, up >> it wasn't just got completely the like, no up >> it wasn't just got completely the like, no else up >> it wasn't just got completely the like, no else in up and like, no one else is in costume. and like, no one else is in cos maybe you think. >> maybe you think. >> maybe you think. >> wasn't it a bit hot >> but also, wasn't it a bit hot 7 >> but also, wasn't it a bit hot ? know, it's an outdoor ? you know, it's an outdoor event i mean, event. yeah. i mean, ijust think practical level, i think on a practical level, i would for his would be concerned for his health. might dead.
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would be concerned for his hea but, might dead. would be concerned for his hea but, younght dead. would be concerned for his hea but, you know, dead. would be concerned for his heabut, you know, at dead. would be concerned for his heabut, you know, at least. would be concerned for his heabut, you know, at least he >> but, you know, at least he died with dignity, i suppose. >> what's going on >> i don't know what's going on there. but then on the other hand, has hand, because the globe has become they've become so super woke and they've started calling queen elizabeth the non binary all started calling queen elizabeth the nonsenseiinary all started calling queen elizabeth the nonsense that! all started calling queen elizabeth the nonsense that actually if i this nonsense that actually if i saw that the i'd be saw that at the globe, i'd be like, a member of like, okay, that's a member of the teach the staff trying to teach us about inclusivity or something like that. >> feel sorry >> and i do feel sorry for the staff day who must have staff on the day who must have thought, does what thought, oh god, what does what does say about does the handbook say about this? surprised . this? yeah, i'm not surprised. they didn't know what to do about matter like about it. do lives matter like do have like particular rights? >> are they a marginalised group? >> i think that's what they would have been thinking at the time. what i about this? time. what do i do about this? >> well, that's right, because you've pride then you've got pride and then they've which they've got bear pride, which is when large hairy men. >> i've never been sure >> but i've never been sure about when large hairy men have ever prejudiced against or ever been prejudiced against or discriminated as tony once. >> oh , people here won't >> oh, people here won't understand what you're talking about because you're talking about because you're talking about a floor manager off off camera, , inside joke camera, inside joke, inside joke that those coming . that keep those coming. >> those are popular with the people anyway . okay,
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people at home anyway. okay, let's to the next question let's go on to the next question from christine. where's christine ? yeah, hi, christine. christine? yeah, hi, christine. >> . >> hi. >> hi. >> are barbie dolls a good influence on children? yes. >> well , no. steady influence on children? yes. >> well, no. steady on. >> so well, no. steady on. >> so well, no. steady on. >> so well, no. steady on. >> so we're starting this is about the new film. obviously. it's weird because there's been a lot of stories about this new barbie film about how barbie film and about how whether could increase the whether it could increase the risk eating disorders. is she risk of eating disorders. is she quite skinny, barbie in this film? >> yes, she's well , all >> yes, she's well, all actresses are skinny now , aren't actresses are skinny now, aren't they? that's the rules. that's true. but the toy is. yeah, she's very elongated, isn't she? we've always heard that if she were a real person, she wouldn't be to stand i think be able to stand up. i think even robbie even margot robbie is fat compared to barbie. compared to the barbie. >> actual barbie, >> really? the actual barbie, because she's. >> she's human. because she's. >> there human. because she's. >> there she human. because she's. >> there she isman. wings >> there she is with wings on because humans don't have wings ehhen >> well, is the thing . i >> well, this is the thing. i mean, i was more mean, as a child, i was more into animals, into sort of soft animals, you know, want to look know, and i didn't want to look like a dog. so >> but, well, speaking as a girl, a girl person mate, it made flatter. if you when you
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were given these toys as a child, did you have unrealistic expectations of what you would become? >> well, yes, probably . but >> well, yes, probably. but that's from everywhere, isn't it? i mean, i was given he—man toys and i didn't grow up as butchers him . butchers him. >> and i felt a bit inadequate because he was very muscly. well, is what's happening, because he was very muscly. well it? is what's happening, isn't it? >> the problem moving >> it's the problem is moving into yes yeah. >> did you have he—man for he—man? >> i had mighty max, which was like a mini kind of that kind of world. but my girlfriend actually grew up playing with barbie. made her barbie. and then that made her very body . very conscious about her body. and now she has a great figure. so it's really good . okay so so it's really good. okay so there's two sides to every argument , i there's two sides to every argument, i guess. >> enjoy it. let's move on. let's move on now to a question from malcolm. where's malcolm ? from malcolm. where's malcolm? hi, malcolm. >> is michael gove right that we should cut back on green measures ? yeah. measures? yeah. >> so michael gove , he's now >> so michael gove, he's now saying that we're treating net zero as a religious crusade . and zero as a religious crusade. and do you think that's right? christopher i do think it's a bit like that . bit like that. >> and you could ask the
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question differently, couldn't you? you say, should you? you could say, should politicians do what the electorate want them to do ? yeah. >> well, yeah, probably, yeah. >> well, yeah, probably, yeah. >> seems that >> and that seems it seems that people, like the people, although they like the idea they don't want idea of green, they don't want it ulez, they don't like the specific ideas. >> people have said >> a lot of people have said a lot of the know, how the lot of the you know, how the tory are sort of tory votes are sort of collapsing across the board and people vote tory, collapsing across the board and peopdon't vote tory, collapsing across the board and peopdon't think vote tory, they don't think this is a really conservative they don't think this is a reallyin conservative they don't think this is a reallyin governmentservative they don't think this is a reallyin government .zrvative they don't think this is a reallyin government . and ve they don't think this is a reallyin government . and one of party in government. and one of the cite net the reasons they cite is net zero. course the net zero zero. and of course the net zero policy. it's always the poor who end losing out , right? that's end up losing out, right? that's it's basically heating the cars. >> food like, you know all >> yeah. food like, you know all these different and then you end >> yeah. food like, you know all thewith fferent and then you end >> yeah. food like, you know all thewith aerent and then you end >> yeah. food like, you know all thewith a just and then you end >> yeah. food like, you know all thewith a just stop then you end up with a just stop oil activists all like activists who all sound like aristocrats . aristocrats. >> not an accident >> yes. it's not an accident that so posh. >> yes. it's not an accident that it's so posh. >> yes. it's not an accident that it's a so posh. >> yes. it's not an accident that it's a luxuryso posh. >> yes. it's not an accident that it's a luxury belief,i. >> oh, it's a luxury belief, isn't belief you isn't it? it's a belief that you can afford have if you are can afford to have if you are wealthy enough. >> yes. so what do you think about net zero? i mean, do you think it's well think look, it's all well intentioned, it? you know. think look, it's all well inteyes.ned, it? you know. think look, it's all well inteyes. but it? you know. think look, it's all well inteyes. but as it? you know. think look, it's all well inteyes. but as i it? you know. think look, it's all well inteyes. but as i say, you know. think look, it's all well inteyes. but as i say, the know. think look, it's all well inteyes. but as i say, the road. >> yes. but as i say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. you're wise, intentions. and you're so wise, jonathan i really yeah. jonathan. i really am. yeah. i was trying to think of an answer whilst talking. whilst cresta was talking. i don't about. know what
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don't know about. know what i think. like, i think it's. it's multifaceted . it's massively multifaceted. it's massively complex. and i don't think some policies immediately complex. and i don't think some poliquality immediately complex. and i don't think some poliquality of immediately complex. and i don't think some poliquality of livesediately complex. and i don't think some poliquality of lives of ately complex. and i don't think some poliquality of lives of they the quality of lives of the poorest against strata of society are necessarily the way to it . i don't have a better to do it. i don't have a better solution also that's not my solution but also that's not my area. sure . area. no sure. >> and it's not either. and >> and it's not mine either. and i've understand i've no, no understand of climate anything climate change or anything of this know, that's this kind. you know, that's a requisite for this channel. >> we must it >> that's what we must do. it >> that's what we must do. it >> the is, i do. i do >> but the thing is, i do. i do understand the idea of innovation, idea you innovation, the idea that, you know, possibility know, there's the possibility that innovate and create that we will innovate and create technology to develop technology that help the that will help the catastrophizing. idea that catastrophizing. the idea that we're armageddon . we're heading for armageddon. and not and i just think that's not helpful, is it? >> well, no, i don't think it is. everybody a bit is. and isn't everybody a bit frustrated that it was michael gove did he gove that wanted to stop? did he want net by 2050? and he wanted. >> now, some people have said this. he was one of the ones who was it and now he's was pushing for it and now he's changed but he's changed his mind. but he's making we making the point that we shouldn't making the point that we shouldrlike a religious treated like a religious crusade. that's a crusade. and i think that's a fair point make. fair point to make. >> that's a very very fair point to make. >> point. hat's a very very good point. >> look, next on >> okay. well, look, next on free the un human free speech nation, the un human rights council has adopted a resolution that appears to
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attack international free speech norms. we're going learn norms. we're going to learn about a couple of about that in just a couple of minutes .
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radio. >> welcome back to free speech nafion >> welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle, the un human rights council has backed a resolution that supports penalties for defaming religion following the public burning of a quran as a protest in sweden, the incident sparked outrage with further protests held outside swedish embassies around the world and the un human rights council has now adopted a resolution that underscores the need to hold individuals responsible , all for individuals responsible, all for blasphemy in particular by desecrating the quran to account. the resolution was opposed by the uk government, so i'm joined to discuss this issue by lois mcclatchy, who is a senior legal communications officer for adf uk. thanks very much for joining officer for adf uk. thanks very much forjoining me, lois. thank you very much. so talk us
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through one. what precisely through this one. what precisely happened here? >> this was all triggered >> well, this was all triggered actually sweden , of all actually in sweden, of all places, a protest took places, where a protest took places, where a protest took place with iraqi national place with an iraqi national living in sweden who burned a quran publicly as part of his protest against the religion . protest against the religion. now, this sparked international backlash . we had countries from backlash. we had countries from muslim majority countries send their condemnation of the of the action and the condemnation of the swedish government for letting it happen. and all this mounted resolution at mounted up to a resolution at the human rights council and the un human rights council and of course, now we have a resolution voted through which affirms criminalisation of affirms the criminalisation of that particular form of blasphemy . this is incredibly blasphemy. this is incredibly worrying for those of, for example, my colleagues at international who work on blasphemy cases around the world. we have we are supporting the legal defence of, for example , a musician nigeria , example, a musician in nigeria, yahaya, who recorded added lyrics in his phone. he's a sufi muslim and there was lyrics that were deemed to be blasphemous. he death penalty in he received a death penalty in nigeria because he was told that he committing blasphemy .
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he was committing blasphemy. we're helping him to we're helping support him to overturn that. but we can see the path that these blasphemy laws down is very laws lead us down is very illiberal dangerous . illiberal and dangerous. >> well, particularly in a country as sweden, which country such as sweden, which is surely and surely a secular country, and surely a secular country, and surely the idea must be that in order to protect religious freedoms of everyone, we have to have everyone have secular values. everyone can what want, but can believe what they want, but they criticise other they can also criticise other people's . yes, absolutely. people's faith. yes, absolutely. >> the price for living in a free and open democracy is that some get offended some of us get offended sometimes a value. it's sometimes and it's a value. it's a price worth paying. i can i can sympathise as a christian. i would also feel upset and offended if on offended if people on the streets burning bible. streets were burning the bible. and emotive and i understand it's an emotive issue here, but ultimately the price living in a democracy price for living in a democracy is we are offended is that we are all offended sometimes that we're all able sometimes is that we're all able to criticise and to criticise each other and have fruitful conversations. now i think what was helpful when the uk stood up against this at the un is what i found from their statement is that they differentiate attack differentiate between an attack on or an ideology, an on a religion or an ideology, an attack on a person . those things attack on a person. those things are different things we can are different things and we can be criticising a religion or an
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ideology a belief someone ideology or a belief of someone and never be and that should never be interpreted we hate that interpreted as a we hate that person we are attacking that person or we are attacking that person or we are attacking that person . think our culture person. i think in our culture we've been soft getting we've been too soft in getting these definitions muddled. these these definitions muddled. >> well, had a number of >> well, you've had a number of campaigns at adf about people being prosecuted in this country for expressing beliefs , haven't you? >> that's right. only in the last few years we've seen multiple people arrested for preaching their beliefs on the street, straight preaching their beliefs on the stree'the straight preaching their beliefs on the stree'the bible straight preaching their beliefs on the stree'the bible and straight preaching their beliefs on the stree'the bible and mostght preaching their beliefs on the stree'the bible and most recently from the bible and most recently and most with media attention, we've seen people arrested for praying and not only praying, but praying silently in their minds, committing what we would call a thought because call a thought crime because they praying on they were praying on a particular in street particular place in the street near abortion facility and as near an abortion facility and as a that held, a belief that they held, which might popular belief might not be the popular belief of country, they believe of our country, they believe that has right that everyone has the right to life conception. can life from conception. you can disagree but disagree with those beliefs, but no one should be arrested or criminalised for having a belief that goes against majority . that goes against the majority. >> i mean, this a to a >> i mean, is this a to a broader trend now where there are certain agents within politics want to narrow the politics who want to narrow the scope acceptable ? so scope of what is acceptable? so
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to the snp to give an example, the snp pushing their crime pushing through their hate crime legislation and they said when humza yousaf originated this, that this a way to get rid that this was a way to get rid of blasphemy laws . but it looked of blasphemy laws. but it looked very much to me that was just very much to me that he was just sort in a set sort of smuggling in a new set of blasphemy laws, saying that you certain you couldn't criticise certain groups most groups of people or most importantly, cause offence. >> that's correct. and 2021 scotland repealed their blasphemy but on the same scotland repealed their blastheyfy but on the same scotland repealed their blasthey introduced on the same scotland repealed their blasthey introduced the the same scotland repealed their blasthey introduced the hateame day they introduced the hate crime act, which made it very difficult for families even to discuss issues about gender or marriage or controversial topics around the dinner table with their kids. if their kids were to go and report to the police because he said you could be prosecuted even if you were saying of saying things in the privacy of your home. your own home, your own home. exactly. there no exactly. there was there was no protection spaces. protection for dwelling spaces. i as you say, these hate speech laws that are coming in across the uk and across europe, they're laws in they're really blasphemy laws in new they're saying that new coats. they're saying that you criticise the popular you cannot criticise the popular ideology of our day, you cannot criticise us what is basically now a religion. >> it's like a state religion. it's like a state religion. >> so this is just to
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>> so this is just back to square be looking square one. we should be looking to where to achieve a society where everybody can free to everybody can be free to exchange thoughts and exchange their thoughts and beliefs. that's ultimately what a democratic a free and democratic society is, should not be moving is, and we should not be moving away that. away from that. >> troubling you, though, >> is it troubling you, though, that this doesn't appear >> is it troubling you, though, th.be this doesn't appear >> is it troubling you, though, th.be a this doesn't appear >> is it troubling you, though, th.be a top this doesn't appear >> is it troubling you, though, th.be a top down oesn't appear >> is it troubling you, though, th.be a top down imposition�*ar >> is it troubling you, though, th.be a top down imposition of to be a top down imposition of this religion? mean, this new state religion? i mean, dunng this new state religion? i mean, during progress during pride month, the progress pride flag is absolutely everywhere, though it's everywhere, even though it's considered quite offensive to a lot of feminists gay rights lot of feminists and gay rights activists. but nevertheless, it's it's on every public it's there. it's on every public building, on every civic institution. it's over the institution. it's all over the place. and it feels. but there's also this problem of activists themselves putting pressure on themselves putting pressure on the government for instance, there was a poll on in newsweek this week saying between this week saying that between that 44% of people between the ages of 25 and 34 in america now believe that you should be prosecuted for misgendering . so prosecuted for misgendering. so is it just that this is now it's not just the government imposing this. it's everywhere. >> it is very concerning. but i think government can be think the government can be setting of the for setting the tone of the for culture they culture the people. i think they should this issue should be leading on this issue and speech and affirming free speech explicitly in the law. i think they should making it clear
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they should be making it clear that a country where that this is a country where everybody can exchange their views . troubling stories have views. troubling stories have come this week about a come out only this week about a councillor christian councillor who tweeted something, a criticism and was criticism of pride and was ejected or suspended from the from his party. things like that don't help set the tone of the culture. what we want to see is, although this is coming within the workplace, there is discrimination and within social institutions . and although we institutions. and although we see a grassroots form of this blasphemy law coming , we want blasphemy law coming, we want the government to be setting the tone of being above that and saying, no, actually everybody has to be has a human right to be expressing believe . no expressing what they believe. no one for what one should go to jail for what they're one should go to jail for what the i re one should go to jail for what thei suppose the problem is it's >> i suppose the problem is it's about interpretation. you see. humza that humza yousaf would say that if you being critical of islam, you are being critical of islam, then stirring up hatred then that is stirring up hatred against muslims and that's the phrase that he uses in his hate crime up hatred. crime bill, stirring up hatred. but then how draw the but then how do you draw the line we trust the line and do we trust the government line government to draw the line between harassment and stirring up might up hatred, whatever that might mean, criticism mean, and legitimate criticism of a belief system or ideology
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that the critic just does not share? >> right. well, this comes back again to you can criticise or you can attack a belief even aggressively . you can have an aggressively. you can have an aggressively. you can have an aggressive debate about belief aggressive debate about a belief and happens a and this often happens in a society where we different society where we have different religions views , ideas, religions point of views, ideas, but same as but that is not the same as attacking the person. and that has really made has to be really clearly made distinct . and i don't think our distinct. and i don't think our laws gone enough to laws have gone far enough to make words laws have gone far enough to makviolence words laws have gone far enough to makviolence and words laws have gone far enough to makviolence and aggression ords like violence and aggression have been muddied so that have have been muddied so that we're clear that it's about we're not clear that it's about physical about, you physical and it's about, you know, attacking the person themselves . and we need to make themselves. and we need to make sure that we're free to criticise, open criticise, is free to have open discussions about anything to do with religion other with ideology, religion or other beliefs. you know, the line beliefs. but you know, the line of incitement to violence is an obvious and clear one. >> think that there a >> do you think that there is a contradiction that contradiction in the way that they protecting they talk about protecting minority beliefs, including religious beliefs, but christians don't seem to be really within that framework . really within that framework. >> a rise in the >> we are seeing a rise in the number of christians who are being discriminated against in society because of what they believed, not only did we have
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that that case with the christian counsellor in the uk who was booted out or suspended from his party because of his tweet about pride, that's not a one off incident. we know in adf international we have a big case in finland right now where an mp who is a grandmother and a very respected politician also tweeted a criticism about pride. she actually criticised her church, who had been sponsoring the pride parade and said it's not your place to do so. and she's on criminal trial for this tweet and her trial is going to start in on august 22nd. so i'm sure we'll be returning to examine that when it comes. but we are seeing an increase in the amount of prosecution against people who are simply expressing christian vocally or christian beliefs vocally or even, as we said, inside their heads. praying silently on the street is very concerning. >> well, hopefully we will revisit that finland case when that comes to trial. i think that comes to trial. i think that would be fantastic. lois mcclatchey, thanks very much for joining thank you so much . joining me. thank you so much. thank you. and coming up on free speech nation, the government
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radio. >> welcome back to free speech nation. with me, andrew doyle. the government has been forced to delay the publication of its much anticipated transgender guidance for schools, reportedly because its own legal advisers considered some of the suggestions illegal. with a growing number of school pupils questioning their gender identity , prime minister rishi questioning their gender identit was rime minister rishi questioning their gender identit was expected ster rishi questioning their gender identit was expected to r rishi questioning their gender identit was expected to advise sunak was expected to advise that parents would need to be informed if their children wanted to change their gender and was potentially planning to ban children from socially transitioning while at school altogether appears altogether. however, it appears those may be in breach of those plans may be in breach of the equalities act the author those plans may be in breach of the academic act the author those plans may be in breach of the academic act tiwilliams has and academic joanna williams has written about this topic this week me now to tell us week and joins me now to tell us more. good joanna. more. good evening, joanna. >> hello. >> hello. >> can i ask you firstly about this guidance ? what we've learnt this guidance? what we've learnt so to be that the so far seems to be that the government is sending very mixed messages it's clear messages and it's not clear exactly what they're achieving
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here. fill on that? >> so this guidance has been expected for many , many months expected for many, many months now, and the government are dragging their their feet with it to teachers are crying out for some direction to be told what to do with all these children who are gender confused . some teachers seem to think that the best thing to do is to allow children to transition at school and not tell the parents that this is what's happening . that this is what's happening. and yet, rather than issuing clear and strong guidance to say, look, this is unacceptable , all parents must know if children are transitioning and really we don't want children transitioning at school at all. it's just not appropriate . it it's just not appropriate. it shouldn't be happening at schools. you know, this is not what teachers should be encouraging or involved with. the government's not doing that. they find excuse after excuse , they find excuse after excuse, it seems, or reasons are thrown in their path to prevent this guidance from being issued . guidance from being issued. >> acas report made clear that
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the very act of social transitioning is not a neutral act and that there can be real problems by affirming someone's claim to gender identity at a young age . do you think that's young age. do you think that's right ? right? >> i think it's absolutely true. yeah if you allow children to socially transition at school. so that would mean changing their name, wearing the uniform for the opposite sex, using toilets and changing rooms for the opposite sex, having new pronouns, you know, you're setting a child on a path and you're setting them on the path towards transitioning where they it becomes very difficult for them to then get off that they've become affirmed as as not just a new, a new gender, but they become affirmed as having a kind of special status within the school and a special status within their peer group. they've become a kind of victim. on the one hand, you know, they're somebody who is suffering , and they also become suffering, and they also become very special . they take on this
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very special. they take on this elevated status and they're kind of a rebel. and a victim and a political pawn, i would argue, of teachers and adults in their lives. and i think the worrying thing is that these can be children who perhaps have autism are perhaps confused about their sexuality . and it becomes very sexuality. and it becomes very difficult for them to then put their hand up and say , stop, you their hand up and say, stop, you know, i want to get off. i'm not thinking of going down this line anymore . i'm not special. anymore. i'm not special. i don't need to be affirmed in this way . this way. >> and are there issues with compelled speech as well? because a lot of teachers simply do not believe? well, they use pronouns in order to denote biological sex, which is how 99% of us use pronouns and if they are told they must use the pronouns to denote a kind of interior sense of who a child is , then isn't that a free speech issue? >> absolutely . i mean, one of >> absolutely. i mean, one of the reasons why kemi badenoch in particular has spoken out against children socially transitioning at school is
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because it does as soon as you've got children socially transitioning, it stops teachers from being able to say to a class of all female pupils , all class of all female pupils, all right, girls, you know , time to right, girls, you know, time to stop doing this , time to move on stop doing this, time to move on because no longer is it accurate to say, right, girls , if you've to say, right, girls, if you've got three in your class who identify as non binary and four who identify as boys and one who identifies as a cat, you know, you no longer can use that language that would be the everyday language that teachers would be expecting to use . and would be expecting to use. and you we have seen cases , sadly, you we have seen cases, sadly, of teachers getting into real trouble over this being put on disciplinary processes and potentially being threatened with losing their jobs. >> yeah, i mean, from my perspective as a former english teacher, i would have an issue with teaching pupils to use the word they or them to use a plural plural pronouns as singular because it's grammatically wrong. so i would be i would end up correcting them and probably getting into
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trouble for doing my job well, you would be. >> and it's not just english teachers, i think, who are running problems this running into problems over this , cunous running into problems over this , curious to , but i'd be very curious to know science teachers are know how science teachers are finding as well. mean, finding this as well. i mean, you children that, you can't teach children that, you can't teach children that, you know, they can change essentially . they're being told essentially. they're being told they can change their sex or, you know, that it's possible for a boy to become a girl and vice versa . and then presumably the versa. and then presumably the biology teachers are having to pick up the pieces here and say, no, when it comes to sexual reproduction, are males reproduction, there are males and females. and that's it. you know, there is no such thing as a non—binary sex. >> i know we haven't seen the guidance yet, but is it likely that the government is going to say to schools a boy cannot identify , buy his way into identify, buy his way into a girl's toilet facility? well i certainly hope so. >> and it does look like that might be the case from the draft guidance that's been widely circulated. but, i mean, that's the bare minimum, really. i mean , that and i guess in some ways
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what's sad is the very fact that this even needs saying nowadays and i do think schools have perhaps created a bit of a rod for their own back here. you know, as far as i'm concerned, it should be the for case an aduu it should be the for case an adult when , you know, adult to say when, you know, little timothy comes along and says, i want to be jemima. now the teacher should be perfectly capable of saying , that's the teacher should be perfectly capable of saying, that's nice. timothy but not today. go and sit back down. come back and tell me in three years time, if you still feel the same way. you know, the very fact that they're calling this guidance calling out for this guidance suggests that there a problem suggests that there is a problem with authority in the with adult authority in the classroom. being told that no classroom. so being told that no , you mustn't let boys in the girls changing rooms to me would be bare minimum. and i can be the bare minimum. and i can only that come only hope that that does come down from government. only hope that that does come down fr(the jovernment. only hope that that does come down fr(the problem�*nt. only hope that that does come down fr(the problem ,t. only hope that that does come down fr(the problem , of course, >> and the problem, of course, is schools, in the absence is that schools, in the absence of guidelines, schools are basically it up as they basically making it up as they go along. mean, to one go along. i mean, i spoke to one teacher one of pupils teacher who one of the pupils has transitioned , but has socially transitioned, but he's told not to tell the he's been told not to tell the parents to refer to the parents and to refer to the pupil by their previous name on
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reports home, in effect, misleading the parents. i mean, that's not a good situation , is that's not a good situation, is it ? it? >> i mean, this is absolutely shocking. and this is the thing that i think is really the worst of the situation that we find ourselves in right now. and this is why the government has got to act as an absolute bottom line , act as an absolute bottom line, say that parents must be informed that this is going on. but you know what's quite scary is that even this very minimal suggestion that , yes, children suggestion that, yes, children can socially transition, but parents must be informed, has been met by a real backlash. so we've had labour's lloyd russell—moyle, the mp for brighton, standing up in parliament, accusing government of and two his his tweet you know, dobbing children into their parent outs and this complete he calls into question that relationship between parent and child . the idea that parents and child. the idea that parents have their children's best interests at heart. you know not every parent is brilliant but but most parents do love their
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children and act. you know, maybe not according to textbooks, but out of the best interests as they see it for their children. but this infantile language that that teachers would be dobbing in vulnerable children . you know, vulnerable children. you know, this has been repeated by pinknews as well, this idea that that parent are abusive , that that parent are abusive, that children need safeguarding and protecting from their parents. to me, that's a very dangerous idea that really undermines parental authority, authority. it really undermines families. it really undermines families. it suggests that the state, in the form of teachers can do a better job of raising children and safeguarding children than parents can. >> joanna williams, thanks ever so much forjoining me today. so much for joining me today. well, i'm here in the studio still with my panel, cressida and jonathan , do you have any and jonathan, do you have any thoughts on that? well i hope that the government are going to give clear guidance says give clear guidance that says the parents should be informed. >> surely that's >> yes. i mean, surely that's going to happen now, isn't it? well, we don't know because we keep messages
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well, we don't know because we kee don't messages well, we don't know because we kee don't what's essages well, we don't know because we kee don't what's essageto happen. >> thoughts on this, >> right. any thoughts on this, jonathan? >> well, it's >> well, i think it's interesting because i guess this issue whatever and it issue for whatever reason and it eludes issue has become eludes me, this issue has become almost , the microcosm almost the centre, the microcosm for culture war. yes. for the wider culture war. yes. and the very fact that the government keep delaying their official , but it's almost official advice, but it's almost like they don't want to they don't play their hand. don't want to play their hand. they don't actually want to properly either properly take a stand either side and say, we align with this i >> -- >> well, it's difficult because some quite some of the activists are quite scary. you if you come scary. and if you if you come out wrong opinion, out with the wrong opinion, there can be quite brutal, you know. >> yeah. i'm obviously >> yeah. i mean i'm obviously politicians in the politicians are sort of in the firing whole so firing line the whole time so but it will be but yeah i mean it will be really interesting to see which way this. way they go on this. >> okay. well, we'll >> it will. okay. well, we'll obviously updated on obviously keep you updated on this those developments this show as those developments come the break on come in. but after the break on free nation, a just stop free speech nation, a just stop oil has a fishy tale. oil activist has a fishy tale. the dems celebrate and we the lib dems celebrate and we encounter a phenomenon called bobenheim . it's almost time for bobenheim. it's almost time for social sensations .
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on mark dolan tonight, in my big opinion, with inflation coming down, illegal immigration laws going through parliament and with in the throes a with labour in the throes of a civil rishi sunak go civil war, rishi sunak should go for early election. for an early election. >> it might take ten nigel >> it might take a ten nigel farage proved how all of us farage has proved how all of us can defeat woke madness , can defeat the woke madness, destroying fight destroying our country, fight back , common sense, the truth back, common sense, the truth and people power will always back, common sense, the truth and plus.e power will always back, common sense, the truth and plus ann wer will always back, common sense, the truth and plus ann widdecombe,'s back, common sense, the truth and plus ann widdecombe, the win. plus ann widdecombe, the punst win. plus ann widdecombe, the pundits and tomorrow's papers. we're live from . nine welcome we're live from. nine welcome back to free speech nation. >> with me, andrew doyle. it's time for social sensations , time for social sensations, where we take a look at what has been going viral online this week. first up in video, we week. first up in this video, we see one of the just stop oil protesters revealing her motivation . i went onto the road
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motivation. i went onto the road and was arrested straight away without any warning. >> constable wilson arrested me after about half a dozen steps on the road . i've done and i've on the road. i've done and i've got my grandson coming tonight. he's staying for the next two nights with grandma and granddad , and he told me when i saw him last week, the first thing he said to me was grandma, the fish in the pond are dying . said to me was grandma, the fish in the pond are dying. he's five. in the pond are dying. he's five.the in the pond are dying. he's five. the fish in the pond are dying because it's too hot for them and they can't breathe. and i'm doing this for him . and now i'm doing this for him. and now i've been arrested for illegally arrested and i don't know what i'm going to do because he's at home with nobody to look. well mouse wendelin, granddad will be there two on one. >> i can't feel sorry for her a little bit. i mean, she's obviously worried about the fish dying, but it's not nice when the fish are dying. >> forgot to mention the fish are dying. >> her forgot to mention the fish are dying. >> her yearot to mention the fish are dying. >> her year old) mention the fish are dying. >> her year old grandson was her five year old grandson
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put detergent put out a washing detergent in the. dying . yeah. yeah. >> well, quite . >> well, quite. >> well, quite. >> you been watching that a lot over the last few days. i've already it sent to me. oh, already had it sent to me. oh, really? yeah but you know what i mean. >> she seems like decent person. >> oh, she's lovely . i, feel >> oh, she's lovely. i, i feel terrible that this is terrible for her that this is all internet. but it is all over the internet. but it is her fault . and i think, like the her fault. and i think, like the silver lining is that her husband's got a couple of days off while she's in the slammer. >> i mean, crested a very mean of you. yes. what's the matter with you? >> come on, throw me a mate, mate . mate. >> come on. yeah. >>— >> come on. yeah. >> what's the female equivalent cresta mate test mates. is it mates ? mattress? mates? mattress? >> yeah, that'll do, matron. >> yeah, that'll do, matron. >> okay. matron okay, well, look, next up, the liberal democrats won the somerton and frome by—election, and leader ed davey was in a very celebratory mood . and it's time to get these mood. and it's time to get these clowns out of number 10. >> let's hope it lights .
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>> let's hope it lights. five for all three. >> three, 2—2, one. oh oh. >>— >> three, 2—2, one. oh oh. >> everything that man does is cnnge >> everything that man does is cringe worthy, doesn't it? like i imagine him as leader. as prime minister. oh in that imagine if he won something proper . proper. >> what he would like buy for that. like a nuclear with that. like a nuclear bomb with confetti it. confetti coming out of it. >> was >> everything about that was misjudged . and yeah, it was just misjudged. and yeah, it was just it didn't work even on its own terms, did it? >> like to think that >> i'd like to think that if they won, would they hadn't won, that would have just the just still been there in the storeroom the storeroom somewhere. the canon like that back there . like that back there. >> he's this essentially >> he's just this an essentially comic his the comic. what's his party? the liberal democrats . no, you liberal democrats. no, you haven't. not yet . not familiar. haven't. not yet. not familiar. i liked it when he was i really liked it when he was fasting for ramadan to so show solidarity . and then he posted solidarity. and then he posted when he broke his fast some bacon. brilliant oh, it's just like he's just he's just a genius. i think in many ways everyone headliners i'm sure
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we'll get him on anyway , we'll get him on anyway, finally, blockbuster movies, barbie and oppenheimer were both released this weekend. are you going to be watching one? maybe both. well, have a look at this i >> -- >> we're in a race against who ? >> we're in a race against who? barbie this doll ever bomb ? i barbie this doll ever bomb? i know what it means . know what it means. >> fear it . >> fear it. >> fear it. >> i suppose that's one of these mash ups. is it is that the idea? yeah. okay. i'm very technical. i understand what's going on. so what's this oppenheimer thing about then ? oppenheimer thing about then? >> oppenheimer? you know, it's that film, isn't it? it's that boy's film, isn't it? it's a boy's film. yeah, it's about, you know, the. the war effort . you know, the. the war effort. oh, right. >> okay. you have no idea, do you?ifs >> okay. you have no idea, do you? it's the bomb. >> i think it's the atomic. >> i think it's the atomic. >> doing >> so? so what they're doing in that mixing a boy's that mash up is mixing a boy's film girl's film. and film with a girl's film. and they're some of they're making some sort of comment masculinity. comment about masculinity. i think so.
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>> i mean, barbie definitely >> i mean, barbie was definitely making >> i mean, barbie was definitely myoug >> i mean, barbie was definitely myou read reviews, i've if you read the reviews, i've not but apparently men not seen it, but apparently men are so that's are terrible. so so that's pretty about that. pretty good about that. apparently . that it's apparently so. is that what it's about? mean , it's a girl about? yeah. i mean, it's a girl film. can say they film. they can say what they like. very old >> you're both very old fashioned girl films. boy films. what are you talking about? >> oppenheimer the >> well, oppenheimer is like the sort these sort of the archetypal these men dedicating their lives to building the building something for the war effort. the effort. but ultimately, the hubns effort. but ultimately, the hubris them. hubris gets the better of them. they create something that destroys planet . and destroys the entire planet. and then the other time, you know, barbie, denigrating men. barbie, like denigrating men. >> well, likes clothes i >> -- >> yeah. >> yeah. >> well, i'll 5 well, i'll >> okay, well, i'll watch both, and review next week. and we'll do a review next week. how fair how about right? okay fair enough. this is the enough. well, look, this is the part where we talk part of the show where we talk through unfiltered through your unfiltered dilemmas. so much for dilemmas. thank you so much for writing in with all your problems. our first dilemma comes . gerald comes in from gerald. and gerald says, order to keep my bank says, in order to keep my bank account, i am willing to subscribe to ideology subscribe to any ideology they demand , but i'm not sure demand of me, but i'm not sure which right one. am which is the right one. am i supposed to be gender critical or uncritical? yes. or gender uncritical? well, yes. well, in order to keep well, i think in order to keep the bank at coots the bank account at coots especially, to especially, i think you have to be gender uncritical. is that right? correct but it would probably bank to bank. probably vary from bank to bank.
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i'm sure what halifax are i'm not sure what halifax are these days. >> it the case that >> well, isn't it the case that seven them turned down? seven of them turned nigel down? is that right? >> different banks, >> seven different banks, apparently so are in apparently. oh, so they are in lockstep this? yes where do lockstep over this? yes where do they well they stand on marxism? well i imagine pro i think you imagine they're pro i think you probably want to go there and probably want to go in there and be gender on uncritical or be very gender on uncritical or just the campaign to sort just join the campaign to sort all this out with the banks. you know, shouldn't they just send out you apply list of the out when you apply a list of the opinions to have? opinions you meant to have? >> it change >> but doesn't it change every it the time. >> but doesn't it change every it is the time. >> but doesn't it change every it is the the time. >> but doesn't it change every it is the problem. yeah. >> this is the problem. yeah. >> this is the problem. yeah. >> can my >> look, the bank can have my account . it's liabilities. account. it's just liabilities. >> welcome. yeah >> they'd be welcome. yeah we're going start just going to have to start just keeping mattress going to have to start just keepin aren't mattress going to have to start just keepin aren't we? mattress going to have to start just keepin aren't we? okay, mattress going to have to start just keepin aren't we? okay, we've:tress going to have to start just kee a n aren't we? okay, we've:tress going to have to start just kee a dilemma.e? okay, we've:tress got a dilemma. >> i can afford a mattress. >> i can afford a mattress. >> time for the >> do you have time for the final is final dilemma? we do. this is from says i'm from sabrina. sabrina says i'm going on holiday with eight boys this well oh, goodness this weekend. well oh, goodness me. but worried they might me. but i'm worried they might take humour too far. take their boys humour too far. do you think should pay them? do you think i should pay them? sadiq mate campaign , or sadiq khan's mate campaign, or will that just fuel the fire? sabnna will that just fuel the fire? sabrina i don't like to judge, but going on holiday eight but going on holiday with eight boys, during boys, is that an issue during the on was the last holiday i went on was with three comedians. with three male comedians. >> oh , berlin. and yeah, was
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>> oh, berlin. and yeah, it was quite laddy but we didn't have the mate then. so i just quite laddy but we didn't have the to ite then. so i just quite laddy but we didn't have the to cope. then. so i just quite laddy but we didn't have the to cope. you then. so i just quite laddy but we didn't have the to cope. you had. so i just quite laddy but we didn't have the to cope. you had too i just had to cope. you had to deal with alive. okay >> what do you make of that? sabrina's problem? no >> boys are great. are >> boys are great. boys are great. but what does that mean? the boys are great. they can say whatever they really whatever they like. really at all yeah, for just the boys. but >> yeah, for just the boys. but i think main thing is i don't think the main thing is actually work. ultimately. >> don't think so. >> no, i don't think so. >> no, i don't think so. >> no, i don't think so. >> no, was talking to ella >> no, i was talking to ella whelan this, whelan earlier about this, and she very she was sort of saying it's very patronising completely. >> what it's kind of >> and what i love, it's kind of like these class lads like these working class lads all bantering and all sort of bantering and there's posh kind there's a really posh guy kind of like comes of looks a bit like me, comes in the middle, like, oh, what's going to going on here? you're going to have a nice joke. i was like, good. good. have a nice joke. i was like, goci'm good. have a nice joke. i was like, goci'm very>od. outside >> i'm very much outside the kind banter. kind of world of lads banter. would say that it is? would you say that it is? >> are looking me like? >> because you're like the archetypical lad, aren't you? yeah. >> i have been gym once. >> i have been to the gym once. >> i have been to the gym once. >> been to gym >> you have been to the gym once. this year. would you once. yeah. this year. would you say that stuff is say that it that that stuff is more than we know. is it more common than we know. is it is it a common way yeah. is it a common way? yeah. >> men say horrendous , >> men say the most horrendous, horrible other horrible things to each other pretty times. and horrible things to each other prethilarious. times. and horrible things to each other prethilarious. and times. and horrible things to each other prethilarious. and it's|es. and horrible things to each other prethilarious. and it's donend horrible things to each other prethilarious. and it's done in it's hilarious. and it's done in jest, you've got an jest, right? if you've got an actual somebody and
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actual problem with somebody and you're sort of intolerant you're being sort of intolerant , very bad , then yeah, that's a very bad thing. just joking thing. if you're just joking around right? around then, is that right? >> of >> from your experience of holidaying with male comedians , holidaying with male comedians, is normal? like kind is that normal? like that kind of banter? >> yeah . i think we've got >> well, yeah. i think we've got to leave blokes alone. you know, we hear about women's spaces , we hear about women's spaces, let's leave the men's spaces, let's leave the men's spaces, let get on with it. let them get on with it. >> what jonathan is true. >> what jonathan says is true. like the like some friends joke in the most because most horrific way because they're and they know they're friends and they know it's real. they're friends and they know it's yes, real. they're friends and they know it's yes, exactly. >> yes, exactly. and importantly, though you're importantly, even though you're not lad culture, not familiar with lad culture, you're also not familiar with violent rapist culture. and i would argue that not would argue that they're not necessarily linked as much as necessarily be linked as much as as much as sidique khan seems to think they know. >> ella was making >> well, ella was saying making that as well earlier. that point as well earlier. okay. well, we've got final dilemma now from lisa. lisa says, new says, i've started a new job last and hate my boss. do last week and i hate my boss. do i immediately start looking for a or is it too soon now, a new job or is it too soon now, i situation when i was i had this situation when i was a was i was at a a teacher. i was i was at a school and the head said basically i couldn't teach a book because one of the characters was gay and so i resigned. and that was within two starting the two weeks of starting at the school because i thought that
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was know, because school because i thought that was not know, because school because i thought that was not 187410w, because school because i thought that was not 1874 iovwhatever. it's not like 1874 or whatever. and i think you get out at that point , don't and i think you get out at that point, don't you, you've point, don't you, when you've got an issue? >> it depends what's >> i think it depends what's in your doesn't your bank account, doesn't it, jonathan? if you can afford to go it, can't , well go for it, if you can't, well i couldn't the time start couldn't at the time start sending oh well you , sending the cv. oh well you, you. it worked. it worked. >> that's my point. living >> that's my point. i'm a living embodiment of why you should resign in those situations . what resign in those situations. what do right now? do you think right now? >> your >> you should stick to your principles. just i've principles. also, just i've never really had a properjob, so ask me. i've been fired so don't ask me. i've been fired from fired everything from and fired from everything other also , other than here. well, also, yeah, time. yeah, and give that time. >> also what lisa said, the >> but also what lisa said, the problem with what lisa is saying is that this is more to do with personal animosity. right. she says boss. so it says she hates her boss. so it sounds conflict of sounds like a conflict of personalities and personalities get a rock and bludgeon personalities get a rock and blu and n personalities get a rock and blu and that's all you've got to >> and that's all you've got to do. >> wow. em- em— >> wow. i do not endorse any kind violence. and jonathan >> wow. i do not endorse any kindbeing»lence. and jonathan >> wow. i do not endorse any kindbeing speaking d jonathan >> wow. i do not endorse any kindbeing speaking in onathan >> wow. i do not endorse any kindbeing speaking in jest.1an >> wow. i do not endorse any kindbeing speaking in jest. oh, was being speaking in jest. oh, yes . yes. >> that's what. >> that's what. >> what's the matter with you today? >>i today? >> ihad today? >> i had pepsi in the break. okay >> have you ever had a situation where you absolutely hate your boss? oh, yes . and it was to do boss? oh, yes. and it was to do with that you stayed. is
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with money that you stayed. is thatis with money that you stayed. is that is that the situation? >> it was . >> yeah. well, it was it was. oh, god. what it to do with. oh, god. what was it to do with. it was after matt hancock's coronavirus festival was in full swing. and i was very lucky because i'd been furloughed. so i was trapped. it wasn't it wasn't a good environment. finding a new job. but when it finally came to an end , oh, he finally came to an end, oh, he fired me. and i had great fun saying, have found it very saying, i have found it very challenging work oh, challenging to work for you. oh, that's good . yes. because that's good. yes. because i'm quite , i don't i don't quite honestly, i don't i don't like to complain . and i told him like to complain. and i told him that and for me, that at the end. and for me, that's quite strong. >> yeah, but the >> yeah, but that's the best thing leaving you thing about leaving a job is you get to say exactly what you think to the boss. get to say exactly what you thiri'm» the boss. get to say exactly what you thiri'm leaving. s. get to say exactly what you thirand leaving. s. get to say exactly what you thirand leavirbludgeoned with get to say exactly what you tirock. i leavirbludgeoned with >> sorry. >> sorry. >> you bludgeon them with >> go on. you bludgeon them with a don't. >> go on. you bludgeon them with a stop don't. >> go on. you bludgeon them with a stop with don't. >> go on. you bludgeon them with a stop with the )n't. >> go on. you bludgeon them with a stop with the rocks. and >> stop with the rocks. you and your with >> stop with the rocks. you and your and with >> stop with the rocks. you and your and sexy with >> stop with the rocks. you and your and sexy hamsters. with >> stop with the rocks. you and your and sexy hamsters. was it rocks and sexy hamsters. was it rabbits? rabbits i mean, either type. either. either way, that's not good. so i think our consensus there, lisa, is that you should stay at job. you should stay at the job. no, quit . quit at the job. but get quit. quit at the job. but get looking for another one. really looking for another one. really looking for another one. really looking for another one really, really quickly. absolutely. looking for another one really, realabsolutely. absolutely. looking for another one really, realabsolutely. igoingtely. looking for another one really, realabsolutely. igoingteljl'm no, absolutely. i'm going to i'm
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going say just no, absolutely. i'm going to i'm going hang say just no, absolutely. i'm going to i'm going hang around say just no, absolutely. i'm going to i'm going hang around withay just no, absolutely. i'm going to i'm going hang around with someone don't hang around with someone you work for you don't like. don't work for someone who you find intolerable because end because you're just going to end up yourself, you? up hating yourself, aren't you? >> advice . >> i think that's good advice. >> i think that's good advice. >> exactly. so on that >> exactly. yeah. so on that note, much for note, thank you very much for joining free speech joining us for free speech nation. when nation. this was the week when waterstones were accused nation. this was the week when wihidingies were accused nation. this was the week when wihiding books. were accused nation. this was the week when wihiding books. wer
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