of the natwest group , dame of the natwest group, dame alison rose. she is now confessed. she was indeed the source that leaked this information to the bbc. get this. so everybody, the board there apparently have, i quote , there apparently have, i quote, a full confidence in her in her role. well, i say this, quite frankly, she should resign. and if the board do indeed have full confidence, then they should follow her out the door. to what do you make to what has been going on.7 and of course, fires everywhere . and so it seems what everywhere. and so it seems what is going on. some saying the climate is on fire, other people saying it's arsenal at play of the media being over sensationalist in their reporting . over in the house of reporting. over in the house of lords. we've got a life peer

aged 33 that's now just drawing its laughable. who gets a lifetime job, not least age, 30 years of age. we've got men dressed as women trying to get access to female locker rooms. it's all kicking off in sheffield and get this, we've got massive sky high excess deaths in this country. why is nobody talking about it.7 and in news that, let's face it, we all knew anyway. it's now been proven that lawyers are helping so—called asylum people, migrants, whatever you want to call them, to make fake claims and say that they have been abused. who knew? our system being played like that? let's face it , all of us, really. face it, all of us, really. anyway, we've got so much coming your way tonight. that and more . but before get into . but before we get into it, let's ourselves up to let's bring ourselves up to speed tonight's latest speed with tonight's latest headunes speed with tonight's latest headlines middlehurst headlines with polly middlehurst i >> lama >> michelle, thank you. good evening to you. well as we've just been hearing, the ceo of natwest group, dame alison rose, has within the last few minutes

confessed she was the source of the incorrect story on nigel farage. she says, and i quote, i recognise that in my conversations with simon jacques of the bbc, i made a serious error of judgement in discussing mr farage's relationship with the bank. the other news of course, that you were hearing just then from michelle dewberry , however, is that the natwest group chairman has indicated the board retains full confidence in the natwest ceo, dame alison rose. howard davies, who's chair of natwest, suggests rose. however may lose her bonus . of natwest, suggests rose. however may lose her bonus. he says, and i quote, as she recognises she should not have spoken in the way that she did. this was a regrettable error of judgement on her part . the judgement on her part. the events will be taken into account in decisions on remuneration at the appropriate time, suggesting perhaps that she may lose her bonus at the bank. he goes on, however, to say after careful reflection, the board has concluded that it

does retain full confidence in ms rose as ceo of the bank, the board is clear that the overall handung board is clear that the overall handling of the circumstances surrounding mr farage accounts has been unsatisfactory , with has been unsatisfactory, with serious consequences for the bank. so just to reiterate, within the last few minutes we've heard that natwest ceo dame alison rose has admitted she was the source of the information that was given to the bbc's business editor, simon jacks , about nigel farage's jacks, about nigel farage's personal data. well, this comes , of course, just five days after nigel farage received a personal apology from the natwest group chief dame alison rose, for comments she made about him and the subsidiary bank. coutts the exclusive person's bank after his account was suspended . that's his was suspended. that's his personal and business accounts . personal and business accounts. natwest chief executive ruled out, though reinstating nigel farage's accounts with the private bank, saying that she would reiterate the offer that

he could offer an account or open an account rather with natwest . she did say, i am natwest. she did say, i am writing to apologise to nigel farage for the deeply inappropriate comments about yourself. made in the now published papers for prepared the wealth committee. i'd like to make it clear they do not reflect the views of the bank. that news just into us within the last few minutes. full reaction on nigel farage's programme at 7:00. let's turn our attentions to greece now, where two pilots on board an aircraft that crashed while fighting fires in greece this afternoon have both died. that news coming to us from the greek air force. the plane was fighting wildfires on the island of evia. if you're watching on television, you can see that plane dropping water across a fire before , sadly, it crashed fire before, sadly, it crashed behind a hillside. those fires that you can see on tv if you're watching on tv, have consumed parts of greece for the last seven days consecutively . seven days consecutively. residents are now, it seems, retreating to shelters along the

coast . and greece's prime coast. and greece's prime minister, kyriakos mitsotakis, says there's no magic defence against climate change opponents i >> -- >> the next few days, especially today, tomorrow, thursday will be difficult. days after that, i hope that the conditions will help us more and that is why we obviously remain on high alert. we know that things will probably get worse, not better, with warmer temperatures, more droughts, stronger winds, the morphology of our terrain makes putting out fires extremely difficult in many cases. so we have another difficult summer ahead of us. >> well , south of greece, in >> well, south of greece, in nonh >> well, south of greece, in north africa , algeria, to be north africa, algeria, to be precise, the number of deaths because of wildfires has risen there to 34 today. that includes, we understand , ten includes, we understand, ten soldiers, 8000 firefighters are working to bring blazes under control. and in italy , wildfires control. and in italy, wildfires forced the temporary closure of sicily's palermo airport with only a limited number of flights

given permission to take off. we understand the airport is now open once again and heading back to north africa . in tunisia, to north africa. in tunisia, families have been ordered to flee their villages as wildfires burn across mountain regions there. the authorities are trying to get out about 2500 people from those affected areas as well . in news here at home, as well. in news here at home, hsbc will cut its interest rates from tonight, making it the first high street bank to act following last week's better than expected inflation figures. the bank told gb news the new rates will come into effect from midnight tonight. rates will come into effect from midnight tonight . that comes midnight tonight. that comes after figures last week showed inflation was at a 16 month low inflation was at a 16 month low in the year to june . meanwhile, in the year to june. meanwhile, staying with business news, the imf has upgraded the uk's economic forecast and says it expects it to grow faster than germany . the new report by the germany. the new report by the organisation expects the uk's economic output to grow by 0.4% slower than any other country in the g7. however it's the latest in a series of imf forecasts

which expected the uk to lag behind many international peers this year . behind many international peers this year. now the prime minister says he's appalled by russian airstrike on ukraine's port city of odesa amid efforts to restore the black sea grain deal. to restore the black sea grain deal . russia backed out of the deal. russia backed out of the deal. russia backed out of the deal brokered by turkey and the un earlier this month in a move which has sparked fresh concerns about global food security as the war in ukraine drags on. well in a phone call this morning, rishi sunak told volodymyr zelenskyy the uk is working with turkey to restore the deal . 9.1 working with turkey to restore the deal. 9.1 million people in england will be living with major illnesses by 2040. that's according to a new study from the health foundation, which says an additional 2.5 million people in england will have a serious health condition by then. that's an increase of 37% compared with 2019. an nhs doctor, frankie jackson spence, says that progress in the field of medicine means people are just living longer. i'll getting

better at detecting diseases . better at detecting diseases. >> we've got advancements in medical technology . does that medical technology. does that mean we're picking things like cancers up earlier so more people living with them? but people are living with them? but also, said , we can't deny also, as you said, we can't deny our lifestyle changes . is as also, as you said, we can't deny our lifestyle changes. is as a population . you know, there's population. you know, there's lots of things about our lifestyle that are predisposing us these diseases. so we are us to these diseases. so we are much more sedentary than we should you know, obese city should be, you know, obese city rates doubled in the last rates have doubled in the last 30 in adults . we're not 30 years in adults. we're not sleeping enough. we're more stressed . stressed. >> you're up to date on tv onune >> you're up to date on tv online dab+ radio and the tunein app. this is gb news, britain's news . news. channel thanks for that, polly. >> well, i'm michelle dewberry with you right through till 7:00 tonight alongside my political commentators, conor tomlinson, tonight alongside my political com contribute conor tomlinson, tonight alongside my political com contribute editor tomlinson, tonight alongside my political com contribute editor fornlinson, tonight alongside my political com contribute editor for novara. and contribute editor for novara media. michael walker. good evening, gents, to both of you.

you the drill, don't you , you know the drill, don't you, on show how i've missed you on this show how i've missed you while it's all while i've been away. it's all been off, hasn't it? gb been kicking off, hasn't it? gb views gbnews.com is how you reach me. or you can tweet me at gb news tonight when i say it's been kicking off. of course, one of the main things i refer to is the natwest group. it's all been going it, with farage going on, hasn't it, with farage and of the bbc and all the rest of it. the bbc who said what? who was right to do what and all the rest of it. well, broke. and you've well, it just broke. and you've been in news been hearing this in the news bulletin there that the natwest group ceo has confessed now that she was the to the bbc she was the source to the bbc about this. now, i've about some of this. now, i've got to be honest, the bit that i find even more interest thing that, of course, is fascinating, but the say but the fact that the board say that they retain full that they still retain full confidence in this and get this , this is a very interesting part of the board statement. this was said by howard davies. he's the chairman of the natwest group. he says the board basically she's proved over the last four years to be an outstanding leader of the institution, as demonstrated by our the board therefore

our results. the board therefore believes clearly in the believes it is clearly in the interests of all the bank's shareholders and customers that she continues in post. what i find fascinating is the use of the word all it is in the interests of all the banks , interests of all the banks, shareholders and customers don't forget, of course, this is the same bank. there's about 3,940% owned by the states. and i am one of natwest customers and it's not in my best interest. thank you very much that somebody sits at the top of that organisation presiding over conversations about people's political beliefs , what they political beliefs, what they think about whether or not all of ideology is right of this work ideology is right or . so in my mind they're or wrong. so in my mind they're absolutely wrong to say that they're representing of they're representing all of their backing their their customers by backing their ceo in this way. their customers by backing their ceo in this way . and quite ceo in this way. and quite frankly, if the board haven't got full confidence in this lady, then they know better than she is, because when it comes to banking, all of us, it doesn't matter. by the way, if you love nigel farage so much that you want to have his babies, or if you think he's so bad, it's basically the devil incarnate.

it doesn't matter what your opinion is. what matters opinion of him is. what matters is each and every single is that each and every single one of should have the right one of us should have the right in this country have in this country to have confidentiality city when it comes like comes to basic things like banking, how dare you sit as the boss of a bank and even vaguely discuss personal details when it comes to banking? i think it's absolutely appalling and if the bank and the board do have, quote, full confidence in this lady, then they quite frankly, should look in the mirror and ask themselves whether or not they are fit for purpose. because if you ask me as a customer, i would say that all of quite frankly, should of them, quite frankly, should go out of the exit go and walk out of the exit doon go and walk out of the exit door. what do you make to this? connor? >> i find it hilarious that within her non—apology he's already got an apology from both the reporters that screwed the bbc reporters that screwed up misreported this. in up and misreported this. but in her non—apology, says, what her non—apology, she says, what i reflect the i did does not reflect the values that is values of the bank. that is a lie. go and read their 2021 earnings report not to beat a dead horse, i often do on dead horse, as i often do on your michel, but this bank your show, michel, but this bank and much every bank and pretty much every bank everyone has signed up to is signed up environmental,

signed up to environmental, social governance it social and governance scores. it is woke social credit system is a woke social credit system for they have, for big capital. and they have, they in their our investment they say in their our investment partner, blackrock, who is funding companies funding these companies to the tune trillions push an tune of trillions to push an apocalyptic version of the climate to climate narrative or to subsidise employees transitioning at work and having time off for their for their genital lobotomies whatever genital lobotomies or whatever the to call it. the hell you want to call it. pretty much every bank has signed up to this scheme. so she is being deceptive she is being deceptive when she says, when we says, oh, our error, when we wrote 40 page memorandum wrote a 40 page memorandum mentioning brexit times, mentioning brexit 80 times, saying we debunked farage saying that we debunked farage for particular value for this particular value because a to because he's a risk to our shareholders, is not an shareholders, that is not an error. and it does reflect exactly what bank wants to exactly what the bank wants to do. not sorry, they're do. they're not sorry, they're just they got caught. what just sorry they got caught. what do all this? just sorry they got caught. what do well all this? just sorry they got caught. what do well, all this? just sorry they got caught. what do well, i all this? just sorry they got caught. what do well, i mean,lthis? just sorry they got caught. what do well, i mean, ithis? just sorry they got caught. what do well, i mean, i wouldn't >> well, i mean, i wouldn't i didn't think this was going to be too controversial a topic because i we're all going be too controversial a topic be agree i we're all going be too controversial a topic be agree that we're all going be too controversial a topic be agree that sorte're all going be too controversial a topic be agree that sort of; all going be too controversial a topic be agree that sort of the. going to agree that sort of the treatment of farage, however much like him or dislike much you like him or dislike him, probably an him, was probably an appropriate. a lot bunk was appropriate. a lot of bunk was spoken there, that's not spoken there, though. that's not true. the idea that true. i think the idea that there at the moment there is a problem at the moment with banks treating their employees which

employees with respect, which is essentially what you're talking about comes to about when it comes to diversity, and then also when it comes don't why comes to i don't know why climate change brought comes to i don't know why climthere|ange brought comes to i don't know why climthere|ang

things. they are private. you go and or, you know, good your things. they are private. you go and or, you know, good luck'our bank or, you know, good luck getting in to see your doctor or whatever. but if you manage to, then have conversations safe then you have conversations safe in the knowledge it's in the knowledge that it's a private do not private conversation, you do not expect of these expect the bosses of these people private people to even hint at private information to the media. i'm appalled by it. and there is this notion, i believe , and i this notion, i believe, and i think to your point, that you're just referencing, connor, that there this ideology that has there is this ideology that has captured so many organisations and that it comes from if you ask me, organisations like stonewall and people like that, which is all into this kind of trans ideology and the sentiment seems to be you must agree with this trans ideology or you are an awful human being. and if you are an awful human being, then we reserve the right not to do business with you, not to talk to you, not to advertise with you, not to place form of you, not to place any form of business with and actually, business with you and actually, quite treat you like quite frankly, treat you like something in. something that we've trodden in. do not true? do you think that's not true? well, i suppose i think the danger here is that i know you like blame trans for like to blame trans people for lots for lots of lots of people, for lots of things on this channel, but i

don't think you can bring trans people when it comes to nigel people in when it comes to nigel farage his account farage getting his account cancelled? to sex cancelled? no, no. to sex because i'm not having that. i didn't people. didn't blame it on trans people. i a trans person i think if a trans person genuinely has has a condition where they believe whatever it is they believe, is that they believe, nonetheless, then it must be awful. bad for those awful. and i feel bad for those people i want to be people and i want them to be supported. i'm not blaming those individuals, i'm blaming the organisations capitalise on organisations that capitalise on creating a cycle of division because suits them because it suits them financially. for this issue to be broader than it is and to divide people for their financial gain. that's who i'm blaming this on. the companies the stonewall's et cetera of the world. >> are you aware also that they cited anti—trans the cited as anti—trans views in the 40 well, they 40 page document? well, they cited cited a lot of things cited they cited a lot of things in that page. in that 40 page. >> yeah. so so, so i don't think we can blame every single minority group that they might have they're have mentioned in that they're not we're citing direct have mentioned in that they're notwe're citing direct reason >> we're citing a direct reason the bank chose to bank him. so address well address the point, please. well i addressing the point. i am addressing the point. >> point is that they listed >> the point is that they listed a lot of different minority groups they've groups that they've already offended to debunk offended as a reason to debunk

bank. those bank. now, none of those minority asked for him to minority groups asked for him to be so think the idea be debunked. so i think the idea that can take broad that we can take some broad point woke culture has point about, oh woke culture has gone and this happened. i gone mad. and this happened. i mean, i think what's happened is someone has made someone in a bank has made a mistake, a very stupid decision, frankly, me, and it probably won't because won't happen again because this is them in such an is backfired for them in such an intense think to intense way. and i think to bnngin intense way. and i think to bring in sort of schemes, i mean, you're talking about mean, what you're talking about with stonewall, that's essentially staff essentially a scheme for staff members how you can members of the bank, how you can have inclusive working have an inclusive working environment. it's not about who you organisation, you as a organisation, inclusive, inclusive. doesn't inclusive, inclusive. it doesn't it's not about who your customers it's customers are. well, it's inclusive, don't have inclusive, but they don't have anything about people's customers. >> they actually. in 2013, >> they do actually. in 2013, there a document about there was a document about the esg that each member esg that said that each member of each of the customers are of the each of the customers are going a corporate going to get a corporate identity, which will become an asset. factored esg asset. that is factored into esg scores. so that means that your customers, their social views, put become put on social media become a liability than their. liability rather than their. >> believe any bank is >> i don't believe any bank is doing think there doing that. you you think there are banks that have a log of all of customers they of their customers and what they say social priority say on social media priority ones. >> for example nigel farage who

has platform? has a massive national platform? yes, i do. >> well, i think if they're doing that, that is a problem. i think the idea that this is being on them by being pushed on them by stonewall probably little stonewall is probably a little bit card system. bit far fetched card system. >> mainly un. >> it's mainly the un. >> it's mainly the un. >> it's mainly un. >> it's mainly the un. >> it's mainly the un. >> nations. >> yes. the united nations. >> yes. the united nations. >> we're blaming the un now >> so we're blaming the un now for nigel farage being debunked. i is danger here i mean, there is a danger here that we're overthinking this. there is bank that's made a there is a bank that's made a mistake. it's quite mistake. i think it's quite right government have right that the government have said to be debunked said if you are to be debunked then you should have a right to appeal. you should right appeal. you should have a right to of why that to an explanation of why that has i think idea has happened. i think the idea that throw out sort of a that we throw out sort of a bunch of different sort of i suppose you could say, elements bunch of different sort of i su progressu could say, elements bunch of different sort of i su progress whichd say, elements bunch of different sort of i su progress which have elements bunch of different sort of i su progress which have happened of progress which have happened within the corporate world would be mistake. be a bit of a mistake. >> me because while you >> let me just because while you was talking, i was thinking to myself, something myself, i'm sure something is stirring of my mind stirring in the back of my mind and i've just checked myself now. so i remember halifax bank and checked and i've just checked fact checked while checked my little self while you're talking. i remember halifax pulled up a tweet and it said, with said, pronouns matter with a badge. jemma, she her hers. and then back then somebody had written back and basically

and said, you know, basically they agree with and they didn't agree with this and all rest of halifax all the rest of it. halifax tweeted back said, we strive tweeted back and said, we strive for inclusion, equality and quite in doing what's quite simply, in doing what's right. disagree with right. and if you disagree with our you're to our values, you're welcome to close your account. why is a bank halifax in that situation ? bank halifax in that situation? firstly, making declarations about pronouns. what's it got to do with you? why don't you focus on passing your interest rates increases onto savers. if you want something keep yourself want something to keep yourself busy. secondly , why are you busy. and secondly, why are you sitting saying you sitting there saying if you don't these pronoun badges, don't like these pronoun badges, go else ? i think it's go somewhere else? i think it's ridiculous. you ridiculous. well, i think you see that with with lots of different i mean, in a way, i'm wary this conversation wary of this conversation because don't want here because i don't want to be here defending corporations defending these corporations when to i think when it comes to i think probably potentially woke washing. >> i don't think they're necessarily doing because necessarily doing this because they i think it's they care too much. i think it's about profit. my is when about profit. my worry is when people think this is a real people think that this is a real threat to society and civilisation got civilisation and that you've got certain banks are tweeting certain banks who are tweeting about inclusion policies. certain banks who are tweeting aboit inclusion policies. certain banks who are tweeting aboi agree inclusion policies. certain banks who are tweeting aboi agree inc about policies. certain banks who are tweeting aboi agree inc about profit. s. >> i agree it's about profit. they're subsidised they're getting subsidised from it. don't want pretty it. i don't i don't want pretty much who they're getting subsidised by. blackrock, state street subsidised by. blackrock, state stree mean i subsidised by. blackrock, state

streemean i think reason >> i mean i think the reason they're this because they're doing this is because they're doing this is because they want to attract new graduates. young people tend to be socially liberal. be very socially liberal. now the problem for guys is that the problem for you guys is that you people all you look at young people all being socially and you being socially liberal and you think this must be the result of some the think this must be the result of somthat the think this must be the result of somthat actually the think this must be the result of somthat actually people the think this must be the result of somthat actually people who e fact that actually people who are basically under 40 are tend to liberal when are basically under 40 are tend to comes liberal when are basically under 40 are tend tocomes to liberal when are basically under 40 are tend to comes to socialil when are basically under 40 are tend tocomes to social issues. when are basically under 40 are tend to comes to social issues. and n it comes to social issues. and so if you are trying to i don't think you're particularly representative of age representative of your age group. the polls show representative of your age groufi the polls show representative of your age groufi don't the polls show representative of your age groufi don't mean polls show representative of your age groufi don't mean thats show representative of your age groufi don't mean thats sa»w that. i don't mean that in a disparaging way. actually. there's nothing wrong with being an your generation. an exception in your generation. but the reason the banks but i think the reason the banks are is because they are doing this is because they want to new employees. want to appeal to new employees. now, you've problem want to appeal to new employees. now,that,u've problem want to appeal to new employees. now,that, yeah, problem want to appeal to new employees. now,that, yeah, you problem want to appeal to new employees. now,that, yeah, you can)lem want to appeal to new employees. now,that, yeah, you can say| want to appeal to new employees. now,that, yeah, you can say you with that, yeah, you can say you need protect consumer rights. need to protect consumer rights. but think right to say but i think it's right to say that you cancel someone's that if you cancel someone's bank have bank account, you should have a right to appeal. if you care so much about the tweets, i'd say for part, get over it. for the one part, get over it. and two, if you think that young people are too socially liberal, maybe you're making your maybe you're not making your argument maybe you're not making your arg what: you make to that? we >> what do you make to that? we almost ended on a point of agreement. which is that agreement. there which is that actually situation actually a lot of this situation that's on, it's not really

that's going on, it's not really because corporations that because corporations care that much, they much, but actually because they want score points for want to score points for whatever reason. it is. and yeah, can about young yeah, we can talk about young people socially liberal yeah, we can talk about young peiyou socially liberal yeah, we can talk about young peiyou want, socially liberal yeah, we can talk about young peiyou want, butsocially liberal yeah, we can talk about young peiyou want, but actually iberal yeah, we can talk about young peiyou want, but actually when as you want, but actually when you at a lot of the people you look at a lot of the people that don't know, the that have got, i don't know, the savings and all the savings accounts and all the rest of it with these banks, i would hazard a guess and i do confess this is not i've not done lots of research into this, but i argue but instinctively i would argue that the older that perhaps it's the older people have accumulated people that have accumulated wealth working wealth over their working lives that money in the that have got this money in the bank. why the banks would bank. so why the banks would want alienate them in order want to alienate them in order to box with young people to tick a box with young people is beyond not have is beyond me. why not have everyone as everyone welcome everyone as your instead of your consumer base instead of practising? i said, you practising? and like i said, you do make me laugh because if all these cared so much about these banks cared so much about these banks cared so much about the people the the young people and all the rest it, might have rest of it, there might have been making it easier to help them get on to, for example, the mortgage there mortgage ladder. there might have when have been even more earlier when it came to considering things like against mortgages like rents as against mortgages being more being a little bit more pioneering and entrepreneurial in they in areas like that. if they really about the young really cared about the young people. but then again, what do i because days i am

i know? because these days i am an you tell me your an oldie, you tell me your thoughts we've got so thoughts on it all. we've got so much coming your way, least much coming your way, not least what is going on in europe when it fires the it comes to the fires is the climate about to climate right about to spontaneously combust, bust, or are some out there are there some people out there with do when the with not enough to do when the devil work idle hands devil makes work for idle hands in the form

radio. >> hello there. welcome back. like i said, when i've been away, it's all been going on, hasn't it? the farage stuff we just touched on. if you've just joined us, you've missed it. you'll have to watch it back on catch other story that catch up. the other story that has of course, the has been roaring, of course, the fires over in europe. our reporter hawkins live in reporter paul hawkins is live in rhodes. good evening to you, paul rhodes. good evening to you, paul. all . hello, paul . how paul. all. hello, paul. how >> hello. hi. hello sorry, just talking to our guest we're going to come to in a minute. but yeah, look, we've got two roads today. we've been made up. we've

made our way down the coast from the airport. international the airport. the international airport north, which is airport in the north, which is largely unaffected. people largely unaffected. some people have but have been evacuated there. but we've to south where we've come to the south where 10% of the island is a small part of the island that's affected. nevertheless, it's affected. but nevertheless, it's having tourism here having an impact on tourism here and also on the people who live here. course, we can speak here. of course, we can speak now donna who donna now to donna downing, who donna , just just talk us through what what last five days have what the last five days have been like for you. you arrived on right? we on saturday, right? yeah, we arrived saturday. >> flight left london at >> our flight left london at 8 am. and we arrived fine. we couldn't actually get here on the road to start with because the road to start with because the police have blocked the roads due to fires, which we knew nothing about before we left and then we got left home. and then when we got here, see the fires were here, um, we see the fires were burning and we went out, we unpacked , went out for dinner unpacked, went out for dinner and came back and then went to sleep and we basically got a government warning to evacuate . government warning to evacuate. and so we were evacuated to a school in the north of the

island, which had no running water, no air con and where we slept the night. but there was no sign of any tui reps or any other holiday reps. i think there were various holiday companies as people in there and yeah, we were sort of just left to our own devices, not really knowing what was going on. so it was quite scary. we didn't know if we was going to be there for one night, two nights, three nights or whatever . a tui rep nights or whatever. a tui rep arrived the sunday morning, arrived on the sunday morning, but she didn't really have any information on. so we made a decision because we actually had a car as well. we didn't to a car as well. we didn't have to rely on coaches to come back rely on the coaches to come back to the hotel, though the hotel weren't keen because was weren't too keen because it was sort against government sort of against government advice. um, but we decided it was the best option because we would actually have a bed and a pole rather than be in the school with nothing. um, so we came back and the fires, we haven't really had any electricity or water. it's on and off all the time. mainly the water's been off, so that's been quite difficult . but just

quite difficult. but we just feel here we've feel safer here that we've actually bed and the hotel actually got a bed and the hotel staff absolutely staff have been absolutely amazing. yeah >> and to be fair to tui, they would say that, you know, their safety was their number one priority. that's why they've increased reps who increased the number of reps who you've today and who you've you've seen today and who you've spoken company has spoken to. and the company has given including given you options, including taking one of repatriation taking one of those repatriation flights. assume . flights. i assume. >> today this is the >> yeah. so today this is the first time we've actually seen reps properly that have had some kind answer today kind of answer for us. so today we've been given the option of flying home and gaining another hotel, but it would be north of the island and or staying put and just dealing with the no water and electricity as it comes and goes because they can't guarantee when that comes back on. the problem with that is that they're not telling us where might when. so where we might go or when. so >> so it sounds like you're just going to stay put for now. >> we're just going to stay put for now. yeah so it's just it's just the uncertainty, really. yeah >> okay. but generally >> okay. but but generally you're feeling better about the

way with it. way tui have dealt with it. >> today, definitely . they >> yeah. today, definitely. they actually resolution actually had some resolution today. where was, where was leading to that? just leading up to that? we've just sort of a bit left in the sort of been a bit left in the dark really. >> okay. and we've seen the >> okay. and we've just seen the fire the distance fire burning in the distance there. that's that's the there. that's that's that's the fire that was covering you in ash yesterday. still ash yesterday. it's still going ten yeah. ten days later. yeah yeah, yeah. >> it. >> that's it. >> that's it. >> there you go. so that's it. thank donna. appreciate thank you, donna. appreciate your time there. donna downing, who's from essex. that's the who's from essex. so that's the situation here at the moment. and say, would stress and as i say, tui would stress that their priority is their customer safety. that's why they evacuated everyone from the area in first they have in the first place. they have put reps out on the island put more reps out on the island and been encouraging and they've been encouraging anyone touch with anyone to get in touch with their , to consult app their reps, to consult the app to their social media to go on their social media channels and to take one of those options that they are giving customers here on the island. >> yeah, paul, i've got a almost need to give my glasses away. i can't that the can't see that frame in the background, your background, but i'll take your word it. let me just ask you word for it. let me just ask you this very quickly. what is the situation in terms situation there in terms of arson ? you know, i'm hearing arson? you know, i'm hearing lots of people saying that

there's this situation has been caused by an arsonist or perhaps plural. have there been any arrests or any updates on that respect in greece ? no, not not respect in greece? no, not not that we've heard of. >> we've heard reports, reports as well. and people suggesting they are arsonists . but we they are arsonists. but we cannot say categorically that the authorities have said that's how the fire has started, not as far as i've heard . certainly we far as i've heard. certainly we can say that the ongoing hot weather, the heat waves have contributed to it. so quite possibly the fires were started by somebody. but then , of by somebody. but then, of course, the conditions you have here with the length, the frequency and the intensity of the heat waves. and there's another one on the way. it's going be 37 here tomorrow going to be 37 here tomorrow means doesn't take much means that it doesn't take much to get those fires started once they are talking chap at they are talking to one chap at they are talking to one chap at the of the hill who works in the top of the hill who works in the top of the hill who works in the tourist industry, he the greek tourist industry, he says, yeah, we're used to these fires. yeah, get them every fires. yeah, we get them every yeah fires. yeah, we get them every year. this on this year. nothing like this on this scale. is something that scale. so it is something that they're cope they're having to cope with. it's affecting 10% of the island. disrupting island. it is disrupting the

local local tourist local economy. the local tourist economy. but as i say, when you go to the north of the island, you wouldn't that you wouldn't even know that there fires. there are any fires. >> right. interesting stuff. >> all right. interesting stuff. thank paul. yeah, mean, thank you, paul. yeah, i mean, i am watching i'm watching paul on the screens. perhaps the tiniest of screens. perhaps there was big fire in the there was a big fire in the background. so if anyone's sitting is sitting at home going, is michelle am looking at michelle blind? i am looking at on a tiny monitor. but what what do fact what do you make to this? i was about to go in but i'll just what do you think? >> i think and i'd be very interested to see subsequent analysis of greek government forestry this could forestry policy that this could well not just a combination well be not just a combination of the mixed reports of saying there be two arsonist in there might be two arsonist in different there the different places as there is the recent report of an arsonist possibly starting the fires in canada was in canada as there was in california in 2021. but with californian and australian wildfires in 2021, what exacerbated them was really bad climate policy . so if you want climate policy. so if you want to say that climate change has created the conditions where it's a big tinderbox, sure could well be. but it's also that a lot of the time in response to climate change, they is

climate change, what they do is they say, we need to we need they say, oh, we need to we need to areas and we need to rewild areas and we need to make make room for nature. and they do back burning. they don't do die back burning. they don't get rid of loads of the wood on the floor and the dead wood on the floor and they loads of trees, they plant loads of trees, import loads of flammable trees like eucalyptus from australia to as happened, like eucalyptus from australia to whole as happened, like eucalyptus from australia to whole as goes happened, like eucalyptus from australia to whole as goes hafandzd, the whole thing goes up. and so largely it's probably been exacerbated mismanagement. >> think, michael, >> but do you think, michael, i mean, potentially there's some truth to that. mean, potentially there's some truti to that. mean, potentially there's some truti mean,t. mean, potentially there's some truti mean, i think you're >> i mean, i think if you're seeing increased wildfires everywhere, we're everywhere, which is what we're seeing, something seeing, it's probably something which so which applies to everywhere. so i that's why climate i think that's why climate change persuasive change is the most persuasive cause it would cause here, because it would have case that every have to be the case that every country, every continent had been practises been doing these bad practises when wildfire when it comes to wildfire management. but when management. yeah, but when you're trend you're seeing a trend everywhere, i think you probably want cause. want to look for a global cause. and a global cause ready and we have a global cause ready made for us, which is climate change. we have seen this month, one weeks of this one of the early weeks of this month, day on month, the hottest day on record, that it was broken the following so monday the following day. so monday was the hottest record. tuesday hottest day on record. tuesday was than monday, was hotter than the monday, and thursday than thursday was hotter than tuesday. so we're seeing incredibly temperatures.

incredibly hot temperatures. and i scientists i think basically all scientists agree we're seeing agree that's what we're seeing with wildfires. agree that's what we're seeing witi important.dfires. agree that's what we're seeing witiimportant question because >> important question because i keep hearing this the keep hearing this stat all the time. we're seeing the hottest day and records day on record. and since records began, you're going to die basically in your sleep because you're going sweat it and all you're going to sweat it and all the rest of it. let me just ask you this. when we say what we you this. when we say what we you you the you when you say it's the hottest since records began hottest day since records began , have there been any changes since in the way that that temperature has been measured since records began? >> i am not an expert on sort of weather stations , so i'd be weather stations, so i'd be unable to say. but what i would say is that i'll tell you why i'm asking because i thought i thought and anyone out there thatis thought and anyone out there that is an expert, you feel free to correct me. >> sure you will. i thought >> i'm sure you will. i thought that previously the temperature was recorded. i think was was recorded. i think it was about sea level about two metres above sea level or like that. so or something like that. so you was getting of an air was getting a gauge of an air temperature then thought temperature then i thought and i could be wrong and i stand corrected if i am. i thought that there'd a change in that there'd been a change in the temperature had the way that temperature had been now more been measured, which is now more surface to which surface temperature to which therefore make sense that

therefore would make sense that actually, began , actually, since records began, you're seeing these massive temperature rises . any truth temperature rises. any truth in that? >> say e- e saw @ say , i don't know that? >> say , i don't know how >> as i say, i don't know how these weather measurements systems what i would say systems work. what i would say is an agreement is there's an agreement basically between all the major institutions as when it comes basically between all the major insmeasuring; when it comes basically between all the major insmeasuring the when it comes basically between all the major insmeasuring the weather. omes basically between all the major insmeasuring the weather. ands to measuring the weather. and also about also you're talking about measuring the measuring sort of the temperature with technologies that we might have. now, we're also seeing many other things which correspond with higher temperatures, the temperatures, right? so the antarctic is currently temperatures, right? so the anta below is currently temperatures, right? so the anta below it's is currently temperatures, right? so the anta below it's evercurrently temperatures, right? so the anta below it's ever been|tly temperatures, right? so the anta below it's ever been before. 10% below it's ever been before. now, there isn't many ways that you can measure antarctic you can measure the antarctic sea and say, oh, we changed sea ice and say, oh, we changed the measurement because sea ice and say, oh, we changed the can surement because sea ice and say, oh, we changed the can surem�*from because sea ice and say, oh, we changed the can surem�*from satellite.|se you can see it from satellite. so i don't know. >> by the way, i'm genuinely because when i hear this statement time, it's the statement all the time, it's the hottest since records began. hottest day since records began. well, expert , but i well, i am no expert, but i would assume that measuring techniques of techniques and all the rest of it have since whatever it have evolved since whatever records so that's just my records began. so that's just my question. it? question. have we changed it? maybe maybe we haven't. question. have we changed it? i\don't maybe we haven't. question. have we changed it? i\don't know. maybe we haven't. question. have we changed it? i\don't know. it's’viaybe we haven't. question. have we changed it? i\don't know. it's justie we haven't. question. have we changed it? i\don't know. it's just mye haven't. i don't know. it's just my question that i have. if any of you do the answer to that, you do know the answer to that, get and me know. get in touch and let me know. have we used the same measure, the temperature measure, ever

since? say, this since? i've got to say, this whole i was spain whole heat wave, i was in spain very briefly last week and yeah, it was quite warm. you it was quite warm. but, you know, i don't mean to be funny, but that's what go to europe but that's what you go to europe for. want it to be quite for. you want it to be quite hot, you? or maybe i am hot, don't you? or maybe i am missing something, guys. i'm missing something, you guys. i'm sure and tell sure we'll get in touch and tell me your thoughts on the weather situation. is it climate entirely? change entirely? is climate change perhaps of it or perhaps just a part of it or not? in your mind? your thoughts, if you will? vaiews@gbnews.com after the break. very important break. i've got very important topic i want to you topic that i want to talk to you guys quite frankly, most guys about. quite frankly, most people, reason, guys about. quite frankly, most peoplseem reason, guys about. quite frankly, most peoplseem to reason, guys about. quite frankly, most peoplseem to be reason, guys about. quite frankly, most peoplseem to be focussed n, guys about. quite frankly, most peoplseem to be focussed on don't seem to be focussed on barely all. i talk , of barely at all. i talk, of course, of excess deaths in this country. is going on there? country. what is going on there? and to that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers is proud sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello there. >> hello there. >> welcome to your gb news weather forecast. well, the next few days is set to remain unsettled across the uk . further unsettled across the uk. further spells of rain, but in between we will see some sunshine . we will see some sunshine.

reason for the unsettled conditions is these two areas of low pressure really not going to go far over the next go very far over the next few days. with northerly wind, days. and with a northerly wind, it's feel pretty chilly it's going to feel pretty chilly at night at times, especially by night under clearer skies. but under some clearer skies. but for parts of northern ireland, southern scotland, northern england tonight, we england actually tonight, we will remain fairly cloudy here england actually tonight, we will some] fairly cloudy here england actually tonight, we will some outbreaks udy here england actually tonight, we will some outbreaks of/ here england actually tonight, we will some outbreaks of rain; england actually tonight, we will some outbreaks of rain. but with some outbreaks of rain. but elsewhere, relatively and elsewhere, relatively dry and clear . and as elsewhere, relatively dry and clear. and as mentioned, under clear. and as i mentioned, under the skies, feeling the clear skies, feeling pretty chilly point in the chilly for this point in the yeah chilly for this point in the year. tons of city staying in double figures, but out towards the countryside , we see the countryside, we could see lows falling around 5 to lows falling down to around 5 to 6 degrees. but compensation will be for most of us. we'll start the day with some sunshine on wednesday. still, this area of cloud and showers parts cloud and showers across parts of southern scotland and northern that will northern england and that will continue here much continue to linger here for much of day. elsewhere, as i of the day. but elsewhere, as i mentioned, sunshine. but of the day. but elsewhere, as i me northern sunshine. but of the day. but elsewhere, as i me northern ireland,1shine. but of the day. but elsewhere, as i me northern ireland, cloud. but of the day. but elsewhere, as i me northern ireland, cloud will for northern ireland, cloud will thicken as the morning goes on with arriving with some rain arriving here by lunchtime. and lunchtime. and the cloud and rain also spreading into parts of wales southwest england rain also spreading into parts of the es southwest england rain also spreading into parts of the afternoon|thwest england rain also spreading into parts of the afternoon goesst england rain also spreading into parts of the afternoon goes on.1gland rain also spreading into parts of the afternoon goes on. soand as the afternoon goes on. so here we've combined with a strengthening wind feeling pretty chilly the afternoon pretty chilly as the afternoon moves elsewhere in the

moves in. but elsewhere in the sunshine, feeling too bad sunshine, not feeling too bad for time of with for the time of year with temperatures around average . and temperatures around average. and then as we go into the thursday, this band of rain will sweep its way across the uk, bringing further spells of showers behind it and temperatures all the time near average . that warm feeling near average. that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers >> proud sponsors of weather on

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michelle. you should make an example by saying that you are going to close your natwest account . but i've got to be account. but i've got to be honest, martin, i am the laziest consumer in the land i've been with natwest since i was about 16 years of age, which given i'm 21, is only couple of years 21, is only a couple of years ago. you know what mean. ago. but, you know what i mean. but even i despite the fact that i'm lazy it comes to i'm quite lazy when it comes to switching around, even i now switching around, even i am now actually sitting and actually sitting there and considering the considering where is the best place me financially place for me to financially bank because think it is because i don't think it is appropriate at all for you as an organisation to judge people just have views just because they have views a different think it's different to you. i think it's pretty appalling. watch this pretty appalling. so watch this space anyway, really important topic, important my topic, more important than my bank ,i topic, more important than my bank , i tell you is bank account, i can tell you is this nearly 100,000 more people with cardiovascular disease than expected have died since the start of the pandemic. in england. that's according to the british heart foundation. now, this topic of excess deaths is something that's been on my radar for quite some time. to me, these figures are very high, much higher than they should be, but they are barely talked

about. why? well, a man that i really do like to tend to matters such of these is the statistician , jeremy jenkins. statistician, jeremy jenkins. jeremy good evening to you . if jeremy good evening to you. if you will, please. can you just bnng you will, please. can you just bring us up to speed with what is going on when it comes to excess deaths in this country, particularly ? jeremy, i am particularly? jeremy, i am interested in the younger demographic in this country , demographic in this country, what's happening ? what's happening? >> yeah, well, if we look at 2023, so far, we've got about 27, 28 weeks worth of data just take the whole of england and wales. we'd expect to see probably around 317,000 deaths. when you account for the fact we've got more older people in the population. so i'll get on to the younger ones in a second. but we've got about 800,000 more people 2023 than what we had people in 2023 than what we had in the of 2015 to 2019. in the average of 2015 to 2019. lots of baby boomers born after the second world coming in. the second world war coming in. so expect to see about so we'd expect to see about 317,000 we've seen 317,000 deaths. we've seen 320,000. so looks, on the face of it, not a huge number of excess deaths because we've got

lots more older people. but i think the point you just alluded to is younger people. so what we can look at all of the can do is look at all of the deaths. now, thankfully, younger people tend to die a lot less than older people. so if we than the older people. so if we focus those people under the focus on those people under the age they account for age of 55, they account for about one in every 14 deaths, every single week. so what we've seen so far this year is around 22,500 deaths. now, if the chance of them dying in that age group was the same as pre—pandemic, you'd expect to see about 20,500. so we've got 2000 more deaths in that age group than what you would expect based on the kind of the death rate before the pandemic, which is 10% above average. now, that's much higher than the older age groups . when you're older age groups. when you're looking at the percentage above average age and it's even more acutely bigger you're looking acutely bigger if you're looking at 44 year olds. so yeah, at 35 to 44 year olds. so yeah, the phenomenon of excess deaths, which we saw across all age groups is groups through the pandemic, is still existing in these younger people, is obviously quite people, which is obviously quite alarming something needs to

alarming and something needs to be done. >> yeah. now people are divided as to what is responsible for this , and i know when i have this, and i know when i have this, and i know when i have this conversation there'll be some people that come out and say, oh, it's the vaccine, it's the vaccine. but that isn't quite what seems, is it? quite what it seems, is it? >> you've got to look at >> well, you've got to look at other countries as well. >> of the things do >> so one of the things we do know always talked know is sweden's always talked about, when we talk about, isn't it, when we talk about, isn't it, when we talk about covid and policies and lockdowns, sweden's actually got one vaccination one of the highest vaccination rates higher than rates in the world, higher than the and then if you look at the uk. and then if you look at the uk. and then if you look at the age groups say 25 to 44 year olds, their deaths are the other way around. their are way around. their deaths are below you would expect when below what you would expect when you all age you do all of the age adjustments so that raises, you know, bit a inconsistency know, a bit of a inconsistency if you're to going explain everything through the vaccination . but i've been vaccination. but i've been looking at some research and some that other people some stuff that other people have at this, have been looking at on this, michel. there does seem to michel. and there does seem to be emerging links between when you look a stringency index you look at a stringency index that's the countries that's ranking all the countries in world and how the most in the world and how the most stringent measures in terms of lockdowns, the ones who seem to

stringent measures in terms of lockd more the ones who seem to stringent measures in terms of lockd more stringent who seem to stringent measures in terms of lockd more stringent measures| to stringent measures in terms of lockd more stringent measures ,to have more stringent measures, tend to you know, there's a growing trend that those that had the more stringent measures dunng had the more stringent measures during pandemic seem to have during the pandemic seem to have the deaths . and the higher excess deaths. and that's surprising, suppose that's not surprising, i suppose , close your health , when you close your health systems down and people are advised stay away from them, advised to stay away from them, you lot of misdiagnosed you get a lot of misdiagnosed ipsis then the consequences ipsis and then the consequences of that continued excess of that is continued excess deaths beyond. >> interesting, fascinating stuff. jamie jenkins, thank you very much for your time and for your insights. very much for your time and for your insights . very briefly and your insights. very briefly and i mean briefly, connor , a word i mean briefly, connor, a word on yeah, about 83% of on that. yeah, about 83% of england live in a zone where the target arrival of an ambulance is missed. >> so of course, lots of people are just dying at home. and then there was a recent study in the national library of medicine that found that the cardiovascular looked cardiovascular issues looked 192,000 people 500,000 192,000 people with a 500,000 people , and they people control sample, and they found link between covid 19 found no link between covid 19 infection cardio vascular infection and cardio vascular issues. if cardiovascular is issues. so if cardiovascular is going by going up, it's caused by something covid something other than covid infection , then i suppose infection, then yeah, i suppose all to that, i thought all i'd add to that, i thought that point about sweden was very interesting.

>> yes, they had slightly >> yes, they had a slightly different policy it came to different policy when it came to lockdowns. they also have a better so better funded health system. so i we had better i think if we had a better funded health system a bit funded health system with a bit more capacity, we might not have seen people in december waiting 90 having 90 minutes if they were having a heart you can heart attack. you know, you can have the best funded health system in the entire universe, but to turn it but if you decide to turn it into pretty much a covid only service, then you're never going to end well. >> a hospital appointment >> i had a hospital appointment just morning. just this morning. you know, that have that was supposed to have happened a and a half ago. happened a year and a half ago. there was a year and a half late getting round to the appointment that it is scandal, if that we had. it is a scandal, if you ask and by the way, all you ask me. and by the way, all schools now stay at schools. they have a heart defib, defibrillator in their facilities. is just defibrillator in their faci new. is just defibrillator in their faci new normal. is just defibrillator in their faci new normal. greatjust defibrillator in their faci new normal. great machines the new normal. great machines there. absolutely will save lives. now is this focus lives. but why now is this focus on issues of the young? on heart issues of the young? where coming from? your where is that coming from? your thoughts on that? look, thoughts on that? but look, i've got i need thoughts on that? but look, i've gotalk i need thoughts on that? but look, i've gotalk to i need thoughts on that? but look, i've gotalk to you i need thoughts on that? but look, i've gotalk to you about i need thoughts on that? but look, i've gotalk to you about in i need thoughts on that? but look, i've gotalk to you about in a need thoughts on that? but look, i've gotalk to you about in a couple to talk to you about in a couple of minutes, something that we all knew happening anyway, all knew was happening anyway, the our asylum system. the abuse of our asylum system. don't anywhere .

hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till seven alongside my political commentator conor tomlinson, and contributing editor for novara media, michael walker . carroll media, michael walker. carroll on twitter says, dear god , on twitter says, dear god, michelle, your ignorance about climate change is staggering. your infuriate , your arrogance is infuriate, hating and your comments beggar belief . could any more belief. could you be any more right wing and bigoted? i doubt it, she says. that's carroll . i it, she says. that's carroll. i think what you mean, in short, carroll, is that you just disagree with me and that is absolutely fine. but get this, everyone. i've been dying to show all day long. show you this all day long. listen to this. >> i'm clear on everything. the problem in punjab. i will i will make something . problem in punjab. i will i will make something. i'll make something up and bring it to me and give it to you. and you will do the rest. yes. this is our job. yeah. you have good success rate. so i explained to him. yeah we have good success rate. you have good name in the home

office. everything perfectly all right. generally, you get the right. so generally, you get the cases we have good reviews. good hit rate. yes. good good. >> well, well , well. what do we >> well, well, well. what do we have there? well something that perhaps we'd all suspected for quite some time. that was the daily mail. they're doing a little bit of undercover journalist and looking at how immigration lawyers are basically up fake stories basically making up fake stories to help get their clients to seem like genuine asylum, sisters and system and thus play our system . conor, what do you our system. conor, what do you make to it? >> we have far too permissive an asylum application system, clearly. i mean, we've had this before where you have claims before where you can have claims as as, i've as spurious as, oh, i've suddenly to suddenly converted to christianity upon arriving in england. what the england. this is what the liverpool taxi cab bomber did . liverpool taxi cab bomber did. we have about 90,000 applications a year a very high acceptance rate. we have if you launch an appeal, you can stay in the country. it's now costing us 7 million a there us about 7 million a day. there were 600 people crossing in small monday. it's small boats last monday. it's out of control and it's very dangerous people like

dangerous to let people like this slip through the net, because, as i've already alluded to, the liverpool taxi cab bomber, arena bomber, the manchester arena bomber, the manchester arena bomber, stabber, bomber, the redding stabber, there who there are multiple people who game and then do game the system and then do british game the system and then do britistell you what, everyone, >> i tell you what, everyone, there's somebody. than there's somebody. well more than somebody. whole somebody. there's a whole network of people making an absolute from exploiting absolute fortune from exploiting this the this situation, whether it's the people the charging people getting the charging people getting the charging people dinghies, people to get into the dinghies, the you've just the fellows that you've just seen, charging £10,000 the fellows that you've just seen, is charging £10,000 the fellows that you've just seen, is alluding rging £10,000 the fellows that you've just seen, is alluding rgi the 510,000 the fellows that you've just seen, is alluding rgi the fact 00 plus, is alluding to the fact he's these doctors that can he's got these doctors that can help the backstory. on and help with the backstory. on and on we ever really on it goes. can we ever really stop this abuse, though, michael ? >> well, 7- >> well, i ? >> well, i suppose 7 >> well, i suppose there's a risk here in saying that immigration lawyers are doing this. >> i mean, we've got evidence of one lawyer doing this. i'm sure there are more, but i do imagine this is a minority. obviously, i think person been think this person has been struck now i do think struck off. now i do think probably. you think? probably. what do you think? it's a minority. makes it's a minority. what makes me think it's a minority? well, i know people gone know people who have gone through it is it through this system and it is it doesn't seem to me to be easy right. so i think what we can probably all agree is that the system somewhat broken. system is somewhat broken. there's i think there's a huge backlog. i think that's because of that's in large part because of cuts to the home office.

>> is difficult it, >> what is difficult about it, it looks pretty easy to me, but it looks pretty easy to it,e, but it looks pretty easy to me, but it looks pretty easy to it, so ut what is difficult about it, so i'll an example. i'll give you an example. >> i knew who was >> so i knew someone who was slightly older than me, but we've difficulty. he's we've learning difficulty. he's come mosul after isis come over from mosul after isis took their sexuality. took it over their sexuality. they weren't heterosexual, but they ten they ended up having like a ten year basically, they year claim basically, they ultimately got asylum, but it was a ten year struggle was after a ten year struggle and was someone who was and that was someone who was suffering mental health suffering severe mental health difficulties. suffering severe mental health difficultiwas, your life is thought was, man, your life is already and you know already hard. and you know what's harder? the what's making it harder? the home i think to say home office. so i think to say that this is to easy get asylum in would a in this country would be a mistake. it's also mistake. i think it's also important remember in important to remember in situations such as these that britain take britain doesn't take a disproportionate of disproportionate number of asylum other asylum seekers compared to other countries. we're not being overwhelmed. doesn't overwhelmed. no, it doesn't compare to most european countries. it's countries. i mean, it's population, it just simply population, but it just simply doesn't. right? so germany has about 200,000 asylum seekers a year. about 200,000 asylum seekers a year . we have about 75,000. now. year. we have about 75,000. now. germany is ever so slightly bigger landmass and population density. >> what? well in terms of population, yeah, but i don't know. >> i'm not the population of migrants. the amount people migrants. the amount of people living in the country, have

living in the country, they have to alongside. living in the country, they have to 6s0|gside. living in the country, they have to {so the ie. living in the country, they have to {so the population of >> yes. so the population of germany isn't more than double that of uk, is it? so if that of the uk, is it? so if germany are taking 200,000 and we're then per we're taking 70,000 then per capha we're taking 70,000 then per capita country is taking far capita the country is taking far too well. too many as well. >> yes. >> yes. >> okay. but germany is more >> okay. but but germany is more representative we representative of europe than we are. you're saying is we are. so what you're saying is we take a we take more asylum seekers than other countries. we don't. the idea that don't. so for me, the idea that we completely transform we have to completely transform our because our asylum system because we have like this have some fraudsters like this would be put ourselves out of would to be put ourselves out of step all of our neighbours. step with all of our neighbours. and i it makes us look and i think it makes us look pretty not just dis compassionate, also pretty compassionate, but also pretty weak we weak as a country because we can't that. we say we can't handle that. we say we can't handle that. we say we can't a decent can't manage to have a decent asylum therefore asylum system, so therefore we're to going deport we're just to going deport people at their people without looking at their claims. doesn't seem like claims. it doesn't seem like a good honest. good to be honest. >> most people are decent people, to be fair, and most people, to be fair, and most people, if indeed is people, if indeed there is somebody i mean, lot people somebody i mean, a lot of people would charity and all would say that charity and all the of it begins at home. the rest of it begins at home. but advance that out, but when you advance that out, if genuinely being if anyone genuinely is being persecuted the rest of persecuted and all the rest of it, course, most decent it, then of course, most decent people want to help people would say, i want to help you, what people don't like

you, but what people don't like and they cannot stand actually is that are gaming is people that are gaming the system, people that actually they're that they they're so persecuted that they get all of their get rid of all of their identification documents on the way they said desperately way in. they said desperately persecuted and all persecuted and tortured and all the rest it. but what? the rest of it. but guess what? they bring mom, they don't bring their mom, their sister, their their dad, their sister, their wife, rest of it. they wife, all the rest of it. they just bring themselves well, don't know about you. i don't know you if know about you at home. if anyone was persecuting me, torturing me and all the of torturing me and all the rest of it, guarantee you now, it, i can guarantee you now, my family coming safety family would be coming to safety with me anyway. look, this conversation, on conversation, it goes on and on and doesn't no one ever and on, doesn't it? no one ever seems have an answer, though, seems to have an answer, though, as we do do about that as to what we do do about that situation in the channel. we will return, i am sure that will return, i am sure to that one another but for now, one another day. but for now, guys, has been nice to have guys, it has been nice to have your company. i've enjoyed the debates much debates as always. i very much enjoyed at home as enjoyed your company at home as well. had squeeze so well. i've had to squeeze so much in. i've not got round to many of your comments tonight, so sort that out. i'll so i will sort that out. i'll sort that out little bit later sort that out a little bit later on will bring more on this week. i will bring more of into the debate because i of you into the debate because i do like doing that. but for now, thank you for company. we thank you for your company. we very appreciate don't

very much appreciate it. don't go anywhere nigel farage go anywhere because nigel farage is response to is up next with his response to the goings on at natwest. and i'll see have night. i'll see you. have a good night. >> rising, boxt >> the temperature rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> hello there. welcome to your gb news weather forecast. well, the next few days, it's set to remain unsettled across the uk. further spells of rain, but in between we will see some sunshine . reason for the sunshine. reason for the unsettled conditions is these two areas of low pressure really not going to go very far over the next few days. and with a northerly wind it's going to feel chilly at times, feel pretty chilly at times, especially night under some especially by night under some clearer but for parts of clearer skies. but for parts of northern southern northern ireland, southern scotland, northern england, actually will remain actually tonight we will remain fairly cloudy here with some outbreaks of rain. but elsewhere, relative dry and clear. i mentioned , under clear. and as i mentioned, under the feeling pretty the clear skies, feeling pretty chilly in the chilly for this point in the year. chilly for this point in the year . tons of city staying in year. tons of city staying in double figures , but out towards double figures, but out towards the countryside, could see double figures, but out towards the cfalling ide, could see double figures, but out towards the cfalling down could see double figures, but out towards the cfalling down to ould see double figures, but out towards the cfalling down to arounde double figures, but out towards the cfalling down to around 5 to lows falling down to around 5 to 6 degrees. but compensation will be for most of us. we'll start the day with some sunshine on

wednesday . still, this area of wednesday. still, this area of cloud showers across parts cloud and showers across parts of southern scotland and northern england and that will continue linger here for much continue to linger here for much of the day. but elsewhere, as i mentioned, some sunshine. but for northern ireland, cloud will thicken as the morning goes on with here by with some rain arriving here by lunchtime. cloud and lunchtime. and the cloud and rain spreading parts rain also spreading into parts of southwest england of wales and southwest england as the afternoon goes so as the afternoon goes on. so here we've combined with a strengthening feeling strengthening wind feeling pretty chilly as the afternoon moves in. but elsewhere in the sunshine, not feeling too bad for time of year with for the time of year with temperatures average temperatures around average farage. as we go into farage. and then as we go into thursday, this band of rain will sweep its way across the uk, bringing further spells of showers behind it and temperatures all the time near average . average. >> the temperatures rising , boxt >> the temperatures rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on .

gb news. >> good evening. within the last hour or so, statements have come from the chairperson of the natwest banking group and indeed its ceo . they admit serious its ceo. they admit serious errors of judgement. we now know that dame alison rose was the source , yet her defence did source, yet her defence did directly contradicts what we got from the bbc yesterday. somebody is lying. in a moment i'll tell you who i think it is. but for now, let's get the news with polly middlehurst . polly middlehurst. >> nigel thank you . good evening >> nigel thank you. good evening to you. well, the breaking news this hour is that the ceo of natwest has admitted to a serious error of judgement in discussing nigel farage's coutts bank account with a bbc journalist yesterday. the bbc was forced to personally apologise ties to mr farage for its inaccurate reporting on the

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