good because we've got two is good because we've got two massive morning. massive interviews this morning. do anywhere. got do not go anywhere. i've got nigel he's going to nigel farage in. he's going to be next in be talking about what's next in his battle against the woke banks following the resignations , the natwest , of course, of the natwest group. dame alison rose and group. ceo dame alison rose and coutts bank head peter flavel i've also got an exclusive interview . we have been waiting interview. we have been waiting weeks for this, folks with former home secretary, home secretary dame priti patel , and secretary dame priti patel, and i'm going to be asking her about why isn't why the government isn't stopping boats, what she stopping the boats, what she thinks net zero, thinks about net zero, the future conservatism itself, future of conservatism itself, and all of those reflections on, well, holding down one of the most important jobs in government. i'm also going to be speaking energy minister lord speaking to energy minister lord martin mp martin callanan and labour mp barry gardiner, and i'll be speaking with andrew read, who has written the inside of has written the inside story of the brexit so stay where the brexit party. so stay where you are. stay tuned and you're going to really enjoy the next 90 minutes. let's go through the papers. first of all, a little bit of a mixed bag, it must be said. so front page of the said. so the front page of the sunday telegraph i am on motorists side says pm as he

orders a review of anti—car schemes . the sunday times. i can schemes. the sunday times. i can see a picture of jeremy clarkson, but the main headline is sunak to pour millions into nonh is sunak to pour millions into north sea oil. it's a story that suggests he's at odds with keir starmer over that particular policy . the observer revealed policy. the observer revealed how hidden delays blight care for cancer patients . for cancer patients. post—pandemic story that many of you will be familiar with there. the mail on sunday goes with houday the mail on sunday goes with holiday chaos , fear over eu big holiday chaos, fear over eu big brother visas . this is about us brother visas. this is about us now in this post—brexit future having to apply to the equivalent of esters as we would when we went to the us or other countries. the sunday express. not again . winter energy bills not again. winter energy bills to soar . not again. winter energy bills to soar. great not again. winter energy bills to soar . great news for anyone's to soar. great news for anyone's been looking at the profits being made by some of these energy companies. sun on sunday, shona quits enders . okay. it's shona quits enders. okay. it's not something we cover on this show, but it's good if you're a soap fan. sunday mirror sunak copped to cop out. this is about the pm's air miles and the mirror taking a position on

that. well to have a look at everything that's in the newspaper today, i'm joined by martin townsend, former editor of express, former of the sunday express, former editor of ok! magazine, my former 15 years. martin former boss for 15 years. martin lovely to see you this morning. lovely to see you this morning. lovely see you, well lovely to see you, too. well let's with what sunak let's kick off with what sunak says in the sunday telegraph. he's out on the side he's now coming out on the side of motorist. i can't of the motorist. yes. i can't think why . of the motorist. yes. i can't think why. no, no, no. of the motorist. yes. i can't think why . no, no, no. after think why. no, no, no. after uxbndge think why. no, no, no. after uxbridge was retained by the tories on the back of ulez, we think. but tell me this interview. >> well, i think it's good news in the that for me it's in the sense that for me it's the tories actually kind of admitting to something here because he's talking about the fins because he's talking about the ltns slow traffic neighbourhoods as well as ulez and actually the ltns is something that the tories have got to be partly responsible for because they poured loads of money into creating these low traffic neighbourhoods during as during covid or using covid as a bit of a cover for it and said it would, it would carry on during covid and then they'd review it. well they haven't reviewed it.

and in a lot of areas, including where live west london, where i live in west london, it's now just being used as a cash cow by the council. we've got a couple of streets in west london where i live, two streets where there been 100,000 where there have been 100,000 penalty yeah, penalty notices issued to yeah, to drivers going up the wrong. yep, £100,013 million made in a yeah yep, £100,013 million made in a year. from to streets in west london. that is extraordinary. it's extraordinary. and so what's happening here is from being something which i think we can all agree with, we want to kind get emissions down. and kind of get emissions down. and the then it's not the other thing is then it's not getting emissions down because what is it's moving what it's doing is it's moving all a few roads all the traffic onto a few roads instead of sharing it out amongst everybody, which what amongst everybody, which is what standard be. standard democracy should be. now. it's certain streets now. now it's certain streets and main roads. well of course a along those main roads are still along those main roads are still a lot of people living along those main roads are plagued by congestion . congestion. >> there's lots of people that often say that back in the day, if there were electricians or plumbers, they'd jobs plumbers, they'd do ten jobs a day in london. now they're doing plumbers, they'd do ten jobs a day because n. now they're doing plumbers, they'd do ten jobs a day because it's ow they're doing plumbers, they'd do ten jobs a day because it's takenay're doing plumbers, they'd do ten jobs a day because it's taken themioing plumbers, they'd do ten jobs a day because it's taken them sorg five because it's taken them so long from a to b. also long to get from a to b. also presumably as they're in

traffic, belching out traffic, they're belching out fumes. don't get any of fumes. i just don't get any of this. >> well, absolutely. it's counterintuitive. back counterintuitive. it goes back to the 1970s. i grew up a to the 1970s. i grew up in a i come harrow recently come from harrow recently originally, my was in originally, and my school was in a huge traffic gridlock . it was a huge traffic gridlock. it was surrounded gridlocked traffic surrounded by gridlocked traffic all long. and you could all day long. and you could literally get the smoke literally get the black smoke off of the leaves around the around the school. and they changed it. in the end. they brought in this kind of one way system in harrow. but that kind of concentrated pollution is desperately bad. >> not helping. >> so it's not helping. >> so it's not helping. >> it's helping at all. >> so it's not helping at all. and think a review of those and i think a review of those uns and i think a review of those ltns and kicking quite ltns and kicking out quite a few of them would be a good of them i think would be a good thing. and rishi sunak is indicating something along those lines and interesting that he's being interview. >> i think when his boldest his best, to be perfectly honest. well, he needs to be. >> doesn't he.7 >> doesn't he.7 >> there's >> doesn't he? >> there's also quick note on >> there's also a quick note on the sunday times front page about sunak pour millions into nonh about sunak pour millions into north sea oil. obviously north sea oil. this obviously puts starmer, puts him at odds with starmer, who doesn't want any who says he doesn't want any more drilling again. quick more new drilling again. quick word that. that's good word on that. that's good politics, martin? politics, isn't it, martin? >> is. and you know, we

>> well, it is. and you know, we know labour might as know that what labour might as well blackouts into well just put blackouts into their their manifesto their into their manifesto because that's what always happens after job because that's what always happens afterjob losses happens after job losses according job losses and according to the job losses and blackouts. according to the job losses and blarblackouts. we cannot just get blackouts. we cannot just axe all of that north sea. we can't. we can't not grant those licences . it cost thousands licences. it will cost thousands ofjobs. licences. it will cost thousands of jobs . and it's just crazy for of jobs. and it's just crazy for the for the country's energy needs. let's look at other needs. let's look at the other theme of the day, which i'm calling the banking farrago or farrago. >> very good . i was taught by >> very good. i was taught by the best. my job is words. now we've got a number of different stories we've got nigel is coming on the show just a coming on the show in just a moment, in the sunday moment, but he's in the sunday telegraph talking about new telegraph talking about this new website. up to help website. he's set up to help other who have been other people who have been debunked. got debunked. we've also got this extraordinary sun extraordinary story in the sun on sunday, shapps reveals on sunday, grant shapps reveals he his entire family have he and his entire family have been hit the de—banking been hit by the de—banking scandal. then we've got scandal. and then we've got a story on the front of the sunday times bad boys brexit claim times bad boys of brexit claim they debunked like farage. they were debunked like farage. this arron this is talking about arron banks andy wigmore. people banks and andy wigmore. people didn't then didn't speak about it back then because worried they didn't speak about it back then beca|to�* worried they didn't speak about it back then beca|to going worried they didn't speak about it back then beca|to going be worried they didn't speak about it back then beca|to going be debunkedthey were to going be debunked by other their credit other banks and their credit rating fail. i mean,

rating would fail. i mean, farage played a blinder on farage has played a blinder on this campaign from newspaper this campaign from a newspaper perspective, hasn't he? >> oh, been extraordinary. perspective, hasn't he? >mean, been extraordinary. perspective, hasn't he? >mean, ibeen extraordinary. perspective, hasn't he? >mean, ibeen he'sordinary. perspective, hasn't he? >mean, ibeen he's being y. i mean, he's been he's being called the most influential political since margaret political figure since margaret thatcher. he thatcher. and in many ways he is. a lot of ordinary is. and for a lot of ordinary people, saying farage people, they'll be saying farage is champion. there nobody is our champion. there is nobody else in government. like, are you worried this? you worried about this? >> been the editor of >> having been the editor of quite right wing newspaper >> having been the editor of quiteyou ight wing newspaper >> having been the editor of quiteyou ight wing targeting? oh, totally. >> and i'm sure have been. i'm >> and i'm sure i have been. i'm absolutely certain that i have been, because you know, my problem this it's coming problem with this is it's coming from a position the banks are coming from a position where, you the country's you know, the country's institutionally , which i institutionally racist, which i don't believe where don't personally believe where there is no no diversity, where there's no and they're all signing up to these and signing up to these schemes and signing up to these schemes and signing into these these kind of woke schemes. basically and then putting into action. and putting them into action. and it's basically undemocratic. it's policy of if you don't it's this policy of if you don't agree with me, then you're cancelled. >> mean, happened to >> i mean, what happened to agreeable disagreement, which is what personally think what we well, i personally think cancel ation should a hate crime. >> i personally think that well, talking cancellation the talking about cancellation the mail i mean is

mail on sunday i mean it is slightly season ish but slightly silly season ish but it's read. it's a good read. >> come up with a woke >> have come up with a woke list. 2023 who's in it? and more importantly, isn't? list. 2023 who's in it? and more imfmartiny, isn't? list. 2023 who's in it? and more imfmartin well isn't? list. 2023 who's in it? and more imfmartin well, isn't? list. 2023 who's in it? and more imfmartin well , there's dame >> martin well, there's dame alison rose finds a way in there, which you wouldn't be surprised at. number one, we have the archbishop of canterbury. oh, yes, the archbishop woke the archbishop of woke the archbishop woke, as we archbishop of woke, who, as we know , put aside 100. £100 know, put aside 100. £100 million of church money at the beginning of the year to it reminds me i should ask priti patel about what she thinks. >> yes. >> yes. >> to investigate. investigate the church's links to slavery. i mean, that £100 million. i'm sure all of the parishioners all over the all over the country where are closing, where churches are closing, hundreds churches are hundreds of churches are closing. having to share, closing. there having to share, because i'm they're really because i'm sure they're really pleased £100 being pleased that £100 million being put for the pews are put aside for the pews are emptying and they're going on about how diversity and inclusion going on, about ancient not in there. >> i noticed carol vorderman isn't list. >> i noticed carol vorderman isn'no. list. >> i noticed carol vorderman isn'no. which list. >> i noticed carol vorderman isn'no. which i'mlist. >> i noticed carol vorderman isn'no. which i'm very, very >> no. which i'm very, very surprised about. >> some interesting interactions with on twitter over the with her on twitter over the weekend . maybe do weekend. so maybe they'll do a woke list. mark two, and we can

look to that. now, final look forward to that. now, final story. was choice. story. this was your choice. this is the observer. home this is in the observer. home office secretly backs face recognition shoplift ing recognition to kerb shoplift ing you really strongly about you feel really strongly about this. i there's this sense this. i mean, there's this sense to the police are saying, to which the police are saying, well, we're not really going to deal with shoplifting because it's but for it's not a major crime. but for the is affected. this the shopkeeper is affected. this is huge. >> well, a start, i think we >> well, for a start, i think we should get rid of and the police should get rid of and the police should using phrase low should stop using the phrase low level because low level level crime because low level there such thing as low there is no such thing as low level they they can't level crime. they they can't shoplifting, know, car shoplifting, you know, car thefts, low level crime. they're not they have a huge impact on communities all over the country . if your local shop has the window kicked in like ours did, our local co—op had its window kicked in and was and was robbed 2 or 3 weeks ago. yeah and if that happens , what it affects is that happens, what it affects is it affects the security of the whole community. everybody feels ill at ease, particularly the elderly, particularly the vulnerable. oh, this stuff is happening. >> facial recognition, though. it's a big measure. face

it's quite a big measure. face recognition, big brotherish. i'm not sure about observer. not sure about an observer. >> obviously saying that >> obviously sort of saying that as but you know, can as well. but you know, shops can help themselves little bit. help themselves a little bit. you the till at the you know, have the till at the front of store. don't put it front of the store. don't put it at back the store. they at the back of the store. they need to basically shell to need to basically shell out to employ somebody keep an eye employ somebody to keep an eye on shop. they should on the shop. they they should have security. some of the local shops have but it's shops do have that, but it's always serial offenders. >> observed in saint >> i observed this in saint albans high street the other day, somebody going into poundland, just poundland, of all places, just filling . yes, i said filling a rucksack. yes, i said to there's this lad to the staff, there's this lad doing but that's way doing this, but that's the way it works. >> and it's basically >> yeah. and it's basically unfair, people unfair, you know, for people that are really hard up at the moment that are struggling to make see people make ends meet, to see people walking and out shops, walking in and out of shops, stealing stuff, stealing this stuff, talking about conclude sunak and about to conclude sunak and starmer, just had starmer, if they both just had pushed an agenda of fairness. >> of the >> yes, regardless of the ideology, probably win ideology, they'd probably win quite a lot of votes. >> well, if starmer pushed >> yes. well, if starmer pushed an anything, i'd be an agenda on anything, i'd be quite impressed. quite would be impressed. but there we are. >> martin townsend, thank you very joining me this morning. >> lovely to see you. lovely to see you, too. >> now we're in bexley with

olivia utley for the people's panel to panel this week. delighted to know what the panel have got lined what questions would lined up. what questions would they me ask my they like me to ask my glittering array of guests today? hello. today? olivia hello. >> are sunny >> yes, we are in sunny bexleyheath this morning. bexleyheath this morning. bexleyheath is of those bexleyheath is one of those areas the outer rim of london areas on the outer rim of london that's going be heavily areas on the outer rim of london that's gc by] be heavily areas on the outer rim of london that's gc by] be khan's( areas on the outer rim of london that's gcby] bekhan's plan to affected by sadiq khan's plan to expand the ulez zone. that's the ultra low emissions zone whereby anyone with an older and more polluting car will have to pay £12.50 a day for the pleasure of driving . there are pretty strong driving. there are pretty strong opinions from our panellists today and they're very interested to see your interested to see what your politicians make it all. politicians make of it all. without further ado, into chin chin's cafe. marianne, thank you so much for having us in this lovely chin chin cafe here on bexleyheath high street. it's a real we're very real pleasure and we're very grateful. tell us a grateful. can you tell us a little about how business is little bit about how business is going for you? >> yeah, it's always going good, i think, really? for i think, really? except for lockdown obviously. lockdown, obviously. but we've been running since 2016, so we've got loyal customers over the years as well. but we are always finding new people that

have come in and they've just found us when they've been walking about doing their shopping. >> so great. and are you finding there any any problems with business? is there anything that politicians to make politicians could do to make your life a bit easier? >> i well, there's always the issue suppliers. we find issue with suppliers. we find that always up and that they're always going up and we then have raise our prices we then have to raise our prices alongside those to try and still make some profit with what we're doing each day . doing each day. >> yeah, thank you very much. i think inflation is a problem which is affecting lots of small businesses at the moment, so i'm sure that sentiment is echoed around the country. again, thank you so much. it's a real pleasure to be here. and this is our panel our brilliant people's panel today. we've today. we've got fraser, we've got alan and we've got liam. thank you so much getting up thank you so much for getting up so on a sunday morning to so early on a sunday morning to be with us this morning. and alan, with alan, i'm going to start with you. a bit as though you. it feels a bit as though there are some sort of chasms opening on green policy in the main two parties at the moment, both and the both labour and the conservatives to be having conservatives seem to be having quite lot internal divides quite a lot of internal divides . what you make of net

. and what do you make of net zero policy? well i think when you look at what's going in you look at what's going on in the world, especially europe, and record and you see in those record temperatures, hard to sort temperatures, it's hard to sort of deny a problem. of deny there is a problem. >> we do need to do something >> so we do need to do something urgently. longer we leave urgently. the longer we leave it, worse going to be. it, the worse it's going to be. but same time, we can see but at the same time, we can see the cost of living crisis. everyone's and everyone's been affected and that it out. that cost money to sort it out. so compromises have got to be made. but i think we need to take action. i think need to take action. i think we need to do as soon as possible. do it as soon as possible. >> thank you very much. yeah, pretty message there. and pretty stark message there. and i'm that's echoed by i'm sure that that's echoed by a lot people around the lot of people around the country, fraser, what about country, too. fraser, what about you? in you? you live here in bexleyheath and obviously you will will be will know people who will be heavily by the heavily affected by the expansion the zone. what expansion of the ulez zone. what do that policy in do you make of that policy in particular, had to describe particular, if i had to describe ulez one word, it would be cruel. >> we all want a cleaner, greener economy. i think we can agree that. but ulez is hits agree on that. but ulez is hits the poorest, hardest. those who can to upgrade their cars can afford to upgrade their cars have already done it's those have already done so. it's those who can't afford it . i think of who can't afford it. i think of nurses and carers. it's £12.50 a day if you're on the night

shift, it's going to cost them £25 a day. some of the stories you hear are heartbreaking about people having to potentially give up their jobs. i think our give up theirjobs. i think our you know, it's a leafy suburb . you know, it's a leafy suburb. it's a clean, green area. anyway it's a clean, green area. anyway i think he's got ulterior motives to do this. it's not our environment. thank you very much. >> that point about nurses having to pay it twice on a night shift, that that that's going to resonate. i think a lot. i hadn't thought of that before. liam , what about before. and liam, what about you? what make of you? what what do you make of it? only got a seconds it? we've only got a few seconds left, but come back to you later. >> yeah, i mean, ulez i think it's going to hit working class people the worst. you know, traders are going to be massively by they massively affected by this. they can't vans into can't get their vans into central london. they about central london. they talk about this scheme. there's this scrappage scheme. there's 110 million going be 110 million that's going to be pumped into helping people. but if your car is worth eight grand, they're only going to give grand for it. give you two grand for it. that's a six grand loss. and in a living crisis, it's a cost of living crisis, it's not good enough. >> who can face a six grand in a cost of living crisis? absolutely. much. absolutely. thank you so much. that's all for our people's

panellists. for we're going that's all for our people's palisten s. for we're going that's all for our people's palisten withr we're going that's all for our people's palisten with very we're going that's all for our people's palisten with very sharp; going that's all for our people's palisten with very sharp ears, g to listen with very sharp ears, i think, interviews with i think, to your interviews with politicians, i think, to your interviews with po|backns, i think, to your interviews with po|back later in show. be back later in the show. thanks very much. >> great job, olivia in bexley thank you very much, panellists. well keep ear well yes, please keep your ear to the ground because have to the ground because i have with now the studio, gb with me now in the studio, gb news and former leader news presenter and former leader of brexit party, nigel of the brexit party, nigel farage. crumbs quite farage. crumbs you've had quite the you? the week, haven't you? >> a very busy week. >> it's been a very busy week. yes, i've. stumbled upon yes, i've. i've stumbled upon something. to. i didn't something. you have to. i didn't pick this fight. >> i know. >> no, i know. >> no, i know. >> fight picked me. it was >> this fight picked me. it was when i saw i was annoyed that the accounts were being closed. i'd the banking group i'd been with the banking group for done wrong for 43 years, done nothing wrong whatsoever. wasn't until for 43 years, done nothing wrong vigotsoever. wasn't until for 43 years, done nothing wrong vigol my er. wasn't until for 43 years, done nothing wrong vigol my subject wasn't until for 43 years, done nothing wrong vigol my subject access�*t until for 43 years, done nothing wrong vigol my subject access requests i got my subject access requests back. and now i'd never heard of a subject access request until two ago. when i was two months ago. but when i was told go the bank to told i could go to the bank to find out personal they find out what personal data they had when it became clear had on me, when it became clear i was being banked purely for political views, was when i political views, that was when i decided, you know what, i'm not going to take this. no. if they want a fight, have one. want a fight, they can have one. so got into this fight and so i've got into this fight and what learnt is that we see what i've learnt is that we see grant today in the sun on

sunday. >> surprise, you know, not at all saying that he so many people and his children, his family have been very badly affected by his political status. affected by his political statyou see arron banks in the >> you see arron banks in the mail on sunday a business with half a million customers just literally told we're closing the accounts. >> he knew about that at the time, but he didn't come forward. >> why? well, no one did. you see, this is the point. nobody with profile who's been debunked has come forward. two reasons. one, sense of shame, one, a sense of shame, humiliation and embarrassment. but would damage but secondly, it would damage their prospects of getting other bank accounts. i've bank accounts. but what i've learned is this. it isn't just high profile people with strong opinions that are being closed down by banks that have become completely politicised in the most extraordinary way. what i've learned in the three weeks since i came out, as it were , since i came out, as it were, i've just been inundated by small businesses, by folk all around the country. people in absolute fear , terror lives absolute fear, terror lives being ruined , thousands of being ruined, thousands of businesses being closed . and

businesses being closed. and these are people who've done nothing wrong whatsoever, given you've got two problems here. the first is the cultural problem. we've touched on that. it's the politicisation in of so much of corporate britain, the banks perhaps being the worst example. the second is this we have a whole raft of anti money laundering directives . much of laundering directives. much of it came through the european union . but whatever. it came through the european union . but whatever . as soon as union. but whatever. as soon as it gets to the fca, the regulator or compliance departments, they can pound things and make things worse. yes there's an international drugs trade that launders tens of of every of billions of dollars every week. that. however the week. we know that. however the legislation in place is like a sledgehammer to miss the nut because we're not stopping the crooks and we're closing down small businesses. and we've seen in these banks that we bailed out our taxes, went up to bail out our taxes, went up to bail out the banks in 2008 and nine, and in return , they've closed and in return, they've closed 5000 branches around the country . and they're saying to businesses , you know, some are businesses, you know, some are running a fish stall. yes sorry,

we don't want cash. well, i haven't got a credit card machine. we don't want your business. are trying to business. they are trying to drive out the economy drive cash out of the economy any payment that comes into your account, that's unusual and can lead to suspension. so you've sold a motorbike? yes. to a french motorbike collector and a payment from a french payment comes in from a french account. alarm go and account. alarm bells go off and we're frankly treating the local window cleaner if could be window cleaner as if he could be a for a colombian drug a front for a colombian drug gang. preposterous. me tell gang. preposterous. let me tell you it's not working. is you why it's not working. why is a sledgehammer to miss the nut for £1 of laundered money for every £1 of laundered money recovered in the system, it costs £100 to process it. so i want to see a cultural change. but government and parliament needs to go through the legislation . this simply isn't legislation. this simply isn't working. it's not just ruining lives in britain. it's damaging business in britain. >> are we at the point where we actually need an inquiry into this, a formal inquiry? well, not a parliamentary one, because that that would kick it into the long grass, getting the royal commission on it. >> i would be happy to have a royal commission into it,

provided happened quickly. provided it happened quickly. the got out the information we've got out today now 1000 bank today is that now 1000 bank accounts a day are being closed accounts a day are being closed a every single day, a day every single day, a thousand people, whether it's their personal or business accounts , are being closed down. accounts, are being closed down. and my concern is that rachel reeves , the shadow chancellor, reeves, the shadow chancellor, this week, showed , showed no this week, showed, showed no comprehension of the issue whatsoever. now, there are many things this conservative government have done over 13 years that i profoundly disagree with. i have to say they as soon as i came out on this subject, i thought the response from andrew griffith, the city minister, and indeed from the prime minister, rishi sunak, has been very, very good. need to move incredibly good. we need to move incredibly quickly. reeves quickly. i mean, rachel reeves is about the fact that is talking about the fact that the is apparently bullied. the press is apparently bullied. >> alison rose . rose sorry, >> dame alison rose. rose sorry, confusing her with howard davies, who i'll ask you in in a minute. you know, the press has been bullying her. well, no. she unfortunately leaked your personal to somebody personal information to somebody at bbc. at the bbc. >> this is identity politics. this is because she's a woman. it's not right. she's lost her job. couldn't care less. i

job. i couldn't care less. i couldn't care less what sex she is, what gender she is. i couldn't less colour couldn't care less what colour she is. not interested. she is. i'm not interested. i believe in a meritocracy where you ability and you're you rise on ability and you're judged what do. and are judged on what you do. and are you to sue natwest and you tempted to sue natwest and coutts because they've given away information? coutts because they've given away they've information? coutts because they've given away they've away nation? coutts because they've given away they've away my on? well, they've given away my personal they've personal information. they've a breach they they breach of privacy. they they breach of privacy. they they breach regulations. breach gdpr regulations. >> also remember, we could take them to the cleaners to prove my innocence. >> i had to publish a lot of material about me that was wrong and you know, that and defamatory. you know, that i was linked russia. oh was somehow linked to russia. oh i anti—semite because i was an anti—semite because i criticised shapps who i'm criticised grant shapps who i'm pleased to say puts that to bed . course on sunday. but . but of course on sunday. but also i and there were some big sins here. i mean. i mean i mean i like ricky gervais. it's quite serious. this i don't serious. some of this i don't know what going to do at know what i'm going to do at some point. >> i'm considering legal action against natwest. >> every is on the table. >> every option is on the table. every the table. every option is on the table. but important thing is this but the important thing is this there are tens of thousands of people there. maybe more, there are tens of thousands of peophave there. maybe more, there are tens of thousands of peophave been'e. maybe more, there are tens of thousands of peophave been wronged more, there are tens of thousands of peophave been wronged byore, there are tens of thousands of peophave been wronged by the who have been wronged by the banks, whose lives been banks, whose lives have been ruined. no to ruined. they have had no one to speak they've been

speak for them. they've been suffering in silence. and that's why i've launched website why i've launched this website today about that account closed dot org. if you've been closed down, if you've been suspended, come and tell me who you are. help me to help you. i want to build together powerful build together a very powerful lobby group that mps, ministers and government simply can't ignore, so we can get the changes that we need. >> we've talked about some individuals, we've talked about dame alison rose. we've also talked i think obviously he's resigned. now head of resigned. now the head of coutts, flavel what about coutts, peter flavel what about sir davies? he's the sir howard davies? he's the natwest chairman. he's once described brexit as a tragedy , i described brexit as a tragedy, i think, yes. and he doesn't he doesn't want to go early . he's doesn't want to go early. he's he's retiring next year. shouldn't he go now? >> so ordinary chap fails everything he does. but every failure leads to promotion to an even bigger and higher paid role. look joking aside, sir howard davies chairs the natwest board. board last tuesday board. that board last tuesday endorsed alison rose, staying in position despite the fact she'd breached the most fundamental rule of banking, breached the most fundamental rule of banking , that being

rule of banking, that being client confidentiality. also so also, davis was the head of the regulator, the fsa , as it was regulator, the fsa, as it was known at the time, just looking at the rulebook, she breached the most important principles. so mistake number one, wanted so mistake number one, he wanted to keep her in place. he was then forced into an embarrassing u—turn a few hours later. mistake number two, he called her leader, which means her a great leader, which means she get a £2.43 million pay she will get a £2.43 million pay off. >> should he get should she get that? >> i just think it's almost like a club, isn't it? they're all together the same club. together in the same club. i think that was wrong. >> but would you dock that payment to her? oh, think 2.43 payment to her? oh, i think 2.43 million would be completely excessive mind, you excessive and bear in mind, you know, this know, 38.6% of this is effectively from us. effectively coming from us. >> of course, because the >> yeah, of course, because the taxpayer but taxpayer are shareholders. but worst now he's now worst of all, he's now he's now said there'll an inquiry into said there'll be an inquiry into the and the closure of the leak and the closure of farage accounts. this is sorry, this is the person who described brexit as a tragedy. >> the person who's leading this. it's far than >> oh, no, it's far worse than that. >> e- e of travis smith, >> chris hale of travis smith, although howard davies himself is a pro—remain. >> hale travis smith is >> chris hale of travis smith is the chair. and you know

the emeritus chair. and you know their top man when it comes to research . said that brexit research. he said that brexit was xenophobic , racist and was xenophobic, racist and nostalgic , almost exactly the nostalgic, almost exactly the same words written about me in the coutts report . how on earth the coutts report. how on earth can this person conduct anything like anything like an independent inquiry ? and i think independent inquiry? and i think for all of those reasons, howard davies has proved himself to be unfit for office. the government should step in before markets open and appoint open tomorrow and appoint somebody new. >> tell when do you lose >> now tell me when do you lose this banking? because i think there's kind of a countdown timer actually happens? timer and what actually happens? do your do they hand you all of your assets in a cheque? well, i did write. off you go. i did write to peter flavel, the boss of the ceo of coutts , back in and ceo of coutts, back in may and said, if can't find said, if i can't find alternative solutions, i'll come with a securicor van and collect the balance of my account in cash. >> and he to ignore me. >> and he chose to ignore me. right. we've got a timeline of a couple of weeks . i need have couple of weeks. i need to have a conversation i haven't a conversation this i haven't had time last i had time last week i have a conversation with the bank, a conversation with the bank, a conversation with the bank, a conversation with my lawyers, work i'm going do to

work out what i'm going to do to next be honest, been absorbed. >> has anyone else by this banking in the background? >> not from a bank, no. and if coutts were to say we've made a terrible mistake, we'll you terrible mistake, we'll let you stay on a customer. stay on as a customer. >> would you say? i mean >> what would you say? i mean i know got the personal know you've got the personal banking. natwest. banking. what would buy natwest. yeah that doesn't solve my yeah well that doesn't solve my problems. >> look, you i'll have >> look, you know i'll have a conversation with coutts, you know good them know it's all well and good them saying can stay with but, saying you can stay with us but, but not want what but you know, i do not want what has happened to me to happen to anybody else. and it's clear from today's newspapers it has been awful been happening to an awful lot of i this to be a of people. i want this to be a turning point in this whole appalling from banks, appalling behaviour from banks, whether it's high profile figures or people running a fish stall . what has happened within stall. what has happened within this industry is wrong. it's become it's become frankly self—serving in its own interests. it's damaging britain and i want real change. >> so let's see, remind me of the website again. nigel account closed .org and i want anyone can go on there if they've had a

anyone with their banking in terms of being told you're accounts are being closed down go there you and your go on there and you and your people can help and let's find out the scale of the problem. all thank all right. brilliant. thank you very much for coming on the show this morning, nigel good this morning, nigel and good luck well luck with this campaign. well we've more to on we've got plenty more to come on today's show. in just a minute, i'm be speaking to i'm going to be speaking to former home secretary dame priti patel news exclusive and patel in a gb news exclusive and as the conservatives the as the conservatives enter the summer from summer still reeling from two massive byelection, defeats, i'm going speaking to dame going to be speaking to dame pretty about time in office, pretty about her time in office, the facing the the problems facing the government and of course, the future of conservatism. we'll get thoughts on that get all of her thoughts on that just weather. just after the weather. >> the temperature's rising. boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there. good morning . >> hello there. good morning. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. low pressure doesn't really know how to at the moment. whilst to quit at the moment. whilst yesterday's clearing yesterday's low is clearing away, we've got another one arriving monday. being arriving for monday. it's being powered jet stream which powered by the jet stream which is to the south of is still stuck to the south of the uk it will be pushing

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gb news. >> welcome back to the camilla tominey show in just a moment, i'll be speaking to priti patel, the former home secretary. should the government ditch net zero the ban petrol and zero and the ban on petrol and diesel vehicles, will this government ever stop the boats? i'll that i'll be putting all that and more her after the news more to herjust after the news with addison . thanks, with ray addison. thanks, camilla. >> it's 10:01. camilla. >> it's10:01. here's the top stories from the newsroom. the prime minister is ordering a review into the rollout of low traffic neighbourhoods. the scheme, which has been used by councils to stop drivers cutting through residential areas, has been seen by some as an attack on motorists . in an interview on motorists. in an interview with the sunday telegraph , rishi with the sunday telegraph, rishi sunak said he supports people's

right to use their cars to do all the things that matter to them. shadow international trade secretary nick thomas—symonds told us the prime minister should leave the decision to local areas . local areas. >> our position is that it is for communities to make these decisions, whether it is in terms of low traffic neighbourhoods where by the way, there are communities up and down the country who want to reduce traffic going through their neighbourhoods , whether it their neighbourhoods, whether it is in terms of, you know , clean is in terms of, you know, clean air zones. we've talked obviously specifically about ulez . yes, we certainly believe ulez. yes, we certainly believe a well—planned low traffic neighbourhood is a good thing. >> the government's energy security plans will be unveiled this week, aiming to power up britain from britain. the prime minister and energy security secretary, grant shapps are due to meet bosses from the uk's oil and gas renewable and nuclear industries. they're expected to reveal a raft of new investment plans driven in part by the need

for greater energy independence since russia's invasion of ukraine as well. meanwhile, grant shapps says he and his family have struggled to open accounts at major banks in the wake of the nigel farage row . wake of the nigel farage row. speaking to the sun, the energy security secretary says the problem stems from being a politically exposed person, and he accused banks of going too far. it comes as mr farage launched a new website to help people who like him, have had their bank accounts forcibly closed. speaking to camilla tominey earlier, the gb news presenter said 1000 accounts are being closed every day. >> what i've learned in the three weeks since i came out, as it were , i've just been it were, i've just been inundated by small businesses, by folk all around the country. people in absolute fear , terror people in absolute fear, terror lives being ruined and thousands of businesses being closed and the hs2 programme has been given a red rating by the infrastructure watchdog. >> it believes the timetable for

construction of the first two phases of the rail line from london to birmingham and then on to crewe are unachievable. the ipas annual report, which follows the resignation of chief executive mark thurston, cites major issues with the schedule and the budget for hs2 was initially slated to open in 2026, but this has now been delayed by up to seven years on tv, online on dab+ radio and on tune in to this is gb news. back now to . now to. camilla >> welcome back. do not move a muscle because i'm about to talk to priti patel, the former home secretary in the studio . i've secretary in the studio. i've also got energy minister lord martin callanan coming on. and i'm going to be speaking to labour mp barry gardiner and i've reid, author i've got andrew reid, the author of telling the inside of a new book telling the inside story of the brexit party,

coming on little later in the coming on a little later in the show. but first of all, let me introduce former home secretary. she introduction, she needs no introduction, really. priti really. an mp for witham, priti patel, you so much patel, pretty. thank you so much for good morning today. forjoining. good morning today. it's quite busy day so it's quite a busy news day so it's great have let's it's great to have you on. let's just with your reaction to just start with your reaction to what was saying what nigel farage was saying earlier, because i know you were listening. what do you make of this de—banking scandal? listening. what do you make of thiswell,)anking scandal? listening. what do you make of thiswell,)ankingthink, al? listening. what do you make of thiswell,)ankingthink, first >> well, look, i think, first of all, owe nigel a big all, we actually owe nigel a big thank you for the way in which he's taken the lid off this whole it's going whole issue. it's been going on for years. he's spoken about that. i know colleagues are that. i now know colleagues are speaking personal speaking about from personal experience being pipped at experience about being pipped at and the difficulties they're having politically exposed persons. , i've seen persons. but actually, i've seen this for years with my own constituents as a member of for parliament witham in essex, we are famous, we the county of entrepreneurs and we're full of smes. i've had now for at least the last seven years many small businesses me saying businesses coming to me saying that they can't bank their own cash without literally being asked endless questions as to the authenticity of the money.

the source of funds. and these are businesses that, quite frankly, they do their business in cash and they can't access their own bank accounts. they can't put money into their own accounts without literally being, you know, given endless questions. and this has to stop . so i think there are wider issues here. nigel has touched on many of them, and i know he's got the campaign and the website. i think actually thousands of people , quite thousands of people, quite frankly, will come out and speak about this as well. do we about this now as well. do we need a wider inquiry? >> talked to nigel earlier. he >> i talked to nigel earlier. he said, want said, i don't want a parliamentary i want a parliamentary inquiry, i want a pubuc parliamentary inquiry, i want a public , maybe an public inquiry, maybe even an inquiry headed , you know, a inquiry headed, you know, a royal commission inquiry where you can have subpoenaed you can have people subpoenaed to evidence and that it's to give evidence and that it's completely the completely independent of the political you political system. would you support do. i don't think this >> so i do. i don't think this can be left to politicians or to parliament anymore. i genuinely feel that way. >> all the banks themselves, seemingly so. >> know, are banks >> you know, these are banks that too big to fail just that were too big to fail just over ten years ago and they've literally got to the state where they are now, where they've been

living money, taxpayers living off our money, taxpayers money. is money. you know, natwest is still 38% of it by the still owned 38% of it by the state. so there are so many questions here. i don't think the regulators can be trusted anymore. i think there are wider inquiries that are needed about the regulatory environment that we've quite we've had because to be quite frank and know, i'm an mp, frank and you know, i'm an mp, i'm politician, this just i'm a politician, this has just been stamped through been rubber stamped through parliament after year parliament and year after year in and pieces of in finance and pieces of legislation, the governor of the bank of england have been more vocal on this. >> not a from >> we've not heard a thing from him except a story today in the sunday times suggesting that he knew barclays blocking knew about barclays blocking arron and arron bank from banking and didn't anything didn't do anything about it. >> think this raises >> well, i think this raises endless questions. so coming back conversation back to your conversation in interview nigel, this is interview with nigel, this is actually a question as you know, can the political establishment actually be trusted to ask the right questions, be independent, be probing or even the establishment itself, i.e. the regulators and the bank of england ? so we have to look at england? so we have to look at this in a very, very different light. i think the wider problem that we have right now,

actually, and i know we'll talk about net zero too, but these are the types of issues that are affecting ordinary people, their day lives. this is day to day lives. and this is because of the government, the state regulator and the size of the state. and the way in which, quite frankly, institutions have been given a licence to operate in this way. and there's no scrutiny and there's no public accountability. let's talk about net zero, because you've raised it. >> we've got i mean, the government and indeed the labour party and party slightly at sixes and sevens. had the result in sevens. we had the result in uxbridge. do put that down uxbridge. do you put that down to backlash against ulez? to a backlash against ulez? >> no, i think look, i mean, >> so no, i think look, i mean, i've been involved in many political campaigns. know , political campaigns. you know, way last decade, and way over the last decade, and i was involved the previous was involved in the previous london elections as well london mayoral elections as well . like uxbridge . so places like uxbridge classic constituency , places classic constituency, places like bexley, as well. you ought to live here in bexley this morning, outer london boroughs that, quite frankly, are having things done to them, policies imposed upon them with a complete disregard to residents , local people without

accountability. >> local councils kind of operating in an arbitrary manner because i suppose the criticism will come back to you is, well, you were once a member of the government. sure the government's been one to government's been one pushing to fold i is it too fold these. i mean, is it too much this target, i know much now, this target, i know it's loosened from 2030 to it's been loosened from 2030 to achieve net zero to 2050. sure. but there's a lot of prevarication now among prevarication right now among tories should we be tories to say, should we be doing at all? doing this at all? >> we pretty so well, >> should we pretty so well, first of all, my views on this are that actually we need to pause all this activity. 2030 is not that in a, you not that far away in a, you know, click of fingers, 2050 will be upon us. the public are not for this . and not ready for this. and importantly, cannot just have importantly, we cannot just have this state, the government , this state, the government, central government, just sort of saying across again, institutions , local councils, institutions, local councils, county councils , this these are county councils, this these are the targets that you have to meet. and when we don't have the technology, we're not ready. now, if we want a sensible conversation climate and conversation about climate and the impact of climate change, recognising are problems , recognising there are problems, this is one thing, absolutely, but making sure that we have the

tools and the ability that doesn't impose costs and taxes on ordinary people. this is a space that we have to be in. are you worried? and we're not we're not in that space at all. >> are these policies impoverishing poorer people in your across the board? >> yes, i'm out of london, >> so, yes, i'm out of london, i'm in essex, but it's mission creep. all this is about creep. all of this is about mission creep, how these policies are just being rolled out, boundaries are being pushed more and more. my county council is talking about net zero. all local authorities cities are now they can talk about it, but stop spending our money. quite frankly, when funds need frankly, when public funds need to targeted and spent on on to be targeted and spent on on on issues , on public service on issues, on public service delivery, first and foremost, statutory and statutory services. and we cannot having these cannot keep having these policies just blindly imposed upon taxpayers upon my constituents and the public without full thought and consideration given in terms of the practicalities and what this means when you say a pause, do you agree with a pause then on the ban on future sales of

petrol and diesel cars? >> yeah, 100. >> yeah, 100. >> i do completely. >> i do completely. >> this is these are all i mean, you were a big supporter of bofis you were a big supporter of boris johnson. sure. >> i was in his government. >> i was in his government. >> of course, he was pushing a lot of this, you say, about supporting mayoral candidacy supporting his mayoral candidacy back you les was back in the day. you les was originally idea. so, originally his idea. right so, i mean, made a mistake? mean, has he made a mistake? >> the point is right, that >> so the point is right, that governments and politicians are making decisions and have made decisions. of decisions. so now it's a case of whether or not they're practical, whether or not they're achievable and whether or deliverable. or not they're deliverable. the default frankly, default position, quite frankly, of i mean of all governments and i mean this governments over the this of all governments over the last years, that, you last 20 years, is that, you know, we can just public know, we can just spend public money targets. we have money to chase targets. we have to that . that is a to stop that. that is a corrosive culture. and actually, it's no different, to camilla, banking, corporate life, corporate governance that is going on our country right going on in our country right now. too busy now. everyone's too busy subscribing to targets and ticking boxes as rather than thinking about the practical implications, i saw also, i mean, you know, there's a lot of news out there right now, but i saw lord hammond give an interview as well. philip hammond, a former chancellor

raised in similar concerns that why is it that decisions are made in a vacuum ? um, and i made in a vacuum? um, and i think we have to go back and peel the layer of the onion of political thinking and decision making decisions making as well. these decisions are isolation of the are made in isolation of the overall impact on the british people. and if nothing else, politicians are there to govern. for the british public, the british people not just make decisions but serve them as well. look after their interests and net zero is running away. you know , this is a train that you know, this is a train that is moving at such pace where the technology isn't in place, where the public are being left behind and where the public are now being taxed. and being forced to pay being taxed. and being forced to pay for these decisions that actually they're having no say off and they're the ones feeling the implications. i wonder if we might rare moment where might find a rare moment where you tony blair, who you agree with tony blair, who was speaking in the and was speaking in the week and saying, look, you know, saying, well, look, you know, the doing the british are actually doing their there's their best, but there's very little can in the face little they can do in the face of what's going on in china. i do agree with that. i completely agree with that. so i think it

was year or actually was last year or actually i think it was the year before when we had the cop meeting when we had the big cop meeting in for example, now in glasgow, for example, now convening the world. actually, we're convening, we're quite good at convening, but to, you know, but we have to, you know, actually get others to step up to their commitments as well . to their commitments as well. we're island country we're an island island country and we always have been. we are leaders and good leaders across the world and the globe in many areas. but right now , our areas. but right now, our priority and i think this even more so now britain post—brexit , we have to look after our nation, our country. we have to do what's right for our people. we have to make sure , yes, even we have to make sure, yes, even on technology, i we've got on technology, i think we've got a lot going on in technology. for example, you know, green for example, you know, on green initiatives and in zero, initiatives and in net zero, i mean , it's a belgian grand prix mean, it's a belgian grand prix today. if you look at the technology in formula one cars, much of that emanates out of the united kingdom. we have a massive industry in the technology. we're well in technology. we're doing well in technology, has to be technology, but it has to be affordable applicable to the affordable and applicable to the british public. and it's not just we can just just things that we can just talk internationally and talk about internationally and nationally countries . nationally and other countries. we can't compete with china .

we can't compete with china. >> for example, i'll ask you about immigration, ian, because, you obviously this quest you know, obviously this quest to stop the boats hasn't necessarily happened. the rwanda plan so far hasn't resulted in anyone being actually sent to rwanda. why has this gone wrong? people might point the finger of , know, your previous , you know, in your previous job, of course, why wasn't this nettle grasped? what's your successor doing wrong and why is this failing so i think first of all, look , every government and all, look, every government and i've been there , you know, i've i've been there, you know, i've been there, got the t shirt on this. >> we had a plan and that plan was called the new plan for immigration. that was very much about being firm and having deterrence in place. know, deterrence in place. you know, if we're to this isn't if we're going to this isn't just stopping the boats is one aspect, it's illegal aspect, but it's illegal migration i differentiated migration an i differentiated between and between legal migration and illegal migration, illegal migration is something that we all want to stop and that means all want to stop and that means all fair minded people want to stop the evil people trafficker and terrible things that and the terrible things that they're and exploitation. they're doing and exploitation. it's working the it's not working right. so the lawyers things , so

lawyers, so, so many things, so many things. lefty lawyers are one aspect of this. you know, so government needs to clamp down. that's the attorney general. that's the attorney general. that's the attorney general. that's the chancellor on that's the lord chancellor on the way these legal firms behave . that's been going on for years. and, you know, all governments not done governments have not done enough on but i just step on that. but if i just step backwards to go forwards on this, plan for this, the new plan for immigration, as we had outlined and basically said we need to have detention centres, accommodation centres for people that can come, that come here, that can come, that come here, that in its own right acts as a deterrent. you process their claims there and then when their claims there and then when their claims fail, you send them back to their country of origin. >> has it been so torn up the government has moved forward now with a different plan. >> they've got their own immigration legislation. what do you think of the so the legislation only gone legislation has only gone through parliament just now. so they have to implement this they now have to implement this and camilla, you know this you write about the is write about this. the clock is ticking and the public are not seeing change. and the problem the government now has is that the government now has is that the is all about

the story is all about accommodation . they've all accommodation. they've made all the buying tents, the stories about buying tents, about wethersfield, about wethersfield wethersfield, which is in braintree district in my district. you know, we've got a judicial review against the government because we feel that that plan is the wrong plan . it's now . and actually it's now affecting local community. affecting our local community. we've public health we've got a public health outbreak, we've got a public health out iteak, we've got a public health out it sounds like you think that >> it sounds like you think that the home office, since you left, have this have been mishandling this issue. so they've taken a different approach . different approach. >> they have taken a different approach. think. i think i am approach. i think. i think i am no, it's hard and i'm no, because it's hard and i'm not going criticise my not going to criticise my colleagues because these are tough . well, it's tough decisions. well, it's hard. no single hard. there's no one single solution this . but we need a solution to this. but we need a deterrent factor for a start. and removals and returns. my rwanda plan was central to that. the returns agreements that i have in place and others are have put in place and others are now putting in place. we have to get planes leaving the country and show that if you come here illegally you just get illegally, you can't just get a free pass being firm is actually the stance that we should take, and that removing people and that means removing people and that means removing people and to other and returning people to other third countries or country of

origin , but also at the same origin, but also at the same time , we have to go after the time, we have to go after the people traffickers. so the laws that i put in place mean that we can now give life sentences to people traffickers. you know, you have to literally get all these elements to work together i >> -- >>a -- >> a quick word on legal migration, because we found out that was 600,000 in the last yeah that was 600,000 in the last year. you like to see year. would you like to see a cap on those numbers ? well, and cap on those numbers? well, and if would, what would it be? if you would, what would it be? >> i'm not going do the >> so i'm not going to do the numbers game because don't numbers game because i don't think so the think that's appropriate. so the numbers we have we numbers are high and we have we have remember they're have to remember why they're high. ukraine afghanistan, i was involved in both of those. and hong kong , i was the one that hong kong, i was the one that set up the bannau down then i think they will come down. but camilla, just final on on camilla, just a final word on on migration issues and legal migration issues and legal migration points based migration as well. points based immigration is immigration system is effectively said effectively what we said we would for british would deliver for the british pubuc would deliver for the british public of our manifesto public as part of our manifesto commitments. britain post—brexit , that means the brightest and the into our country the best come into our country where we have demands. now what do to continue to do? do we have to continue to do? and don't think we're doing

and i don't think we're doing enough on this. this is a challenge for all governments. we our own we still have to grow our own domestic and make domestic skills base and make sure market is match, sure our labour market is match, fit for purpose. meet fit and fit for purpose. meet the productivity challenges that we these issues . we face. all these big issues. we've long way to there we've got a long way to go there and fix those domestic and until we fix those domestic issues , net migration issues, net migration will continue to be high. we'll still be taking people from elsewhere around the world social care, tech colleges, the banking sector famously relies on a lot of people with technology skills to run a lot of the systems over here. >> let's have a little word before you have to go. time always runs away when we have these sorts of chats. but on toryism itself, obviously the by—election overall saw the support the conservatives support for the conservatives drop by it's not looking drop by 21. it's not looking great for the next general election for the conservatives. i think there's also been some concern about some of the candidacy whether candidacy selection and whether they're enough. they're right wing enough. you're future you're worried about the future of conservatives this country. >> i'm a grass roots conservative, first and foremost. care about my party foremost. i care about my party and i care about the country and i care about right i care about centre right politics. really do. i want to

politics. i really do. i want to see the next generation of centre right conservatives come forward . you know, we'll have forward. you know, we'll have a general election. >> have we had selecting too many liberal democrats view is that we've had too much centralisation . centralisation. >> as you know, i'm actively involved in the conservative democratic organisation . i democratic organisation. i believe in more democracy in our party. i believe in our grass roots a say, a proper say roots having a say, a proper say , a fair right and proper say in terms of the selection of their candidates and the people that become mps. and they want to hear people that are authentic, that care about public service, that care about public service, that will stand up for their country and not people that want to politics or being an mp to use politics or being an mp as a stepping stone another career. >> i think that's happened too much in past, so i can tell much in the past, so i can tell you now. >> i was approached last year by many conservative mps that basically know, if i basically said, you know, if i lose seat, help me lose my seat, can you help me get a job? you know, you've had a outside of politics, a career outside of politics, and that's wrong. i've and i think that's wrong. i've told this, the way. told them this, by the way. i believe that politics is about pubuc believe that politics is about public putting public service and putting people putting your people first. and putting your

country well. and country first as well. and i want to see more conservatives who about that who are passionate about that come who are passionate about that conand what you think the >> and what do you think the chances are, finally, the chances are, finally, of the tories winning 2024? tories winning in 2024? >> look , i'm an optimist >> so, look, i'm an optimist about this because quite frankly , i look and i'm not no one can do crystal gazing if we come together this is really important. we've got to come together to be united and actually stand up for core conservative values and beliefs and put the public at the heart of all of that. then we can we need to be on their side. and the challenge that we have coming is that we have been in office for 13 years and the pubuc office for 13 years and the public are going to start to feel slightly well, you know, you've your chance. why you've had your chance. why didn't this? didn't you do this? >> them reason to fall >> give them a reason to fall back love with tories. back in love with tories. >> and we have to. and that's being their standing up being on their side, standing up for showed it in for them. we showed it in uxbridge, which obviously was about so. but about ulez very much so. but giving them voice, giving them heart confidence that heart and confidence that we believe them absolutely believe in them is absolutely what pretty patel, what we must do. pretty patel, thank so much joining me thank you so much forjoining me in the studio this morning.

>> lovely to speak to you. now i'm joined from i'm delighted to be joined from one tory to another by parliamentary under—secretary of state efficiency and state for energy efficiency and green finance , martin callanan . green finance, martin callanan. martin, lovely to see you this morning . now, i know the morning. now, i know the government's making an announcement about energy security. little security. just tell me a little bit that . well we're bit about that. well we're throughout this week , the prime throughout this week, the prime minister, energy security secretary. >> we will be having a load of meetings with the oil and gas industry , with the renewables industry, with the renewables industry. we'll be announcing new investment in carbon capture and storage in renewable energy . and we'll be seeking to make sure that we exploit our oil and gas reserves to the full no minister that you know priti patel very well . patel very well. >> she is suggesting in the studio with me in an interview that infrastructure together that infrastructure together that actually there should be a pause in that zero and that some of these plans are just making all voters poorer. what's your reaction that ? reaction to that? >> well, we've got to make sure

that we do it in a way that's fair and proportionate, but we now have a legal obligation to net zero by 2050. that's you know, 27 years away. so there's still plenty of time to meet the goal still plenty of time to meet the goal. and the reality is, you know, we have to transition away from oil and gas for two reasons. firstly, our own suppuesin reasons. firstly, our own supplies in the north sea are running out where they won't last for forever . and secondly, last for forever. and secondly, it actually is cheaper now to have more renewables, more wind, more solar on the grid. and so if we want to have our energy security , if we want to make security, if we want to make sure that people's bills are lower in the longer term, then it actually makes sense to roll out more renewables. >> but the way that the newspapers have written this story minister, is the story up today, minister, is the fact actually the fact that actually the government want see more government does want to see more licences in the licences for drilling in the nonh licences for drilling in the north the labour north sea, unlike the labour party. where there is party. that's where there is clear water, pardon clear blue water, pardon the pun, and keir pun, between you and keir starmer. isn't there ? starmer. isn't there? >> indeed we do . and you know, >> indeed we do. and you know, this is a long term transition, as i said, away from oil and

gas. the north sea is a declining field, even if we do issue more licences, then there will still be a fall in production year after year. we only get 40% of our supplies now from the north sea. the rest has to be imported. so rather than importing things like liquid natural gas in my carbon environment, it actually makes much more sense to use our own workers in our own oil and gas fields generating tax for the uk exchequer. labour's position on this is absolutely crazy . they this is absolutely crazy. they want to put british people out of work and move away to more imports. that makes no sense whatsoever . whatsoever. >> peter, you've talked about the net zero target of 2050. obviously being 27 years in advance . this 2030 target to ban advance. this 2030 target to ban the sale of new petrol and diesels is fast approaching. i've had priti patel here telling me that she doesn't think that the country is prepared for it. there aren't enough charging points, there isn't the infrastructure in

place. surely you have to put a stop that policy because the stop to that policy because the country ready . country just isn't ready. >> are committed to that. >> no, we are committed to that. and you can already see that most of the big manufacturers are gearing up to deliver that. they've already stopped research and development on internal combustion engines last week, tata announced a £4 billion invest for jaguar land rover in battery production facilities and the reality is this is the way the world is moving and we want to be at the forefront of that technology. clearly we need to do more in terms of rolling out the infrastructure. there's a lot of investment waiting in new charging points to come on stream . we have to make sure we stream. we have to make sure we remove barriers, planning remove the barriers, planning barriers, regulatory barriers to stop happening. minister stop that happening. minister a final answer, please. >> if you could be brief just on this issue has been raised this issue that has been raised by federation by the federation of small businesses today , 100,000 small businesses today, 100,000 small businesses risk from rising businesses at risk from rising energy costs. you've done things for people in the home. are you doing enough for businesses because that an

because that seems an extraordinary number people extraordinary number of people that might go under because they can't bills . can't pay their bills. >> well, clearly that's one of the reasons why we need to transition away from oil and gas. you know, the putin's invasion of ukraine saw a massive pricing spike in energy prices. the government stepped in over the winter. we paid about half of people's energy bills. we paid a considerable portion of business energy bills as well . clearly, we'll keep as well. clearly, we'll keep these matters under review, but we want energy prices to come down in the longer term, which is why we have a policy which is devoted towards increasing energy security , towards rolling devoted towards increasing ene morecurity , towards rolling devoted towards increasing ene more renewablesards rolling devoted towards increasing ene more renewables because 1g out more renewables because they're the cheapest form of energy, because that's best energy, because that's the best way sustainable way to produce a sustainable economy future. lord economy for the future. lord callanan, thank you very much for joining me this morning. forjoining me this morning. >> now back to olivia >> now let's go back to olivia utley, in bexley. i want utley, who's in bexley. i want to out what the panellists to find out what the panellists have this morning's have made of this morning's interviews. olivia hello . interviews. olivia hello. >> yes, we have been listening and watching these interviews with eagle eyes and i've seen quite a lot of nods and a few

shakes of the head too. so i'm going to start off with alan again. alan you work in the finance sector. what did you make of what nigel farage had to say there and how he's been treated more generally? >> i think think makes some >> i think i think he makes some interesting points. i'm not sure i with everything he says. i agree with everything he says. i agree with everything he says. i if you're business and i think if you're a business and you're large amounts of you're moving large amounts of cash, there probably are legitimate questions be legitimate questions to be asked. both asked. we can't have it both ways, right? can't we asked. we can't have it both ways,to ght? can't we asked. we can't have it both ways,to crack can't we asked. we can't have it both ways,to crack down 't we asked. we can't have it both ways,to crack down on we asked. we can't have it both ways,to crack down on tax/e want to crack down on tax avoidance and anti money laundering asking laundering without asking questions. about questions. so not sure about that. questions. so not sure about that . i think questions. so not sure about that. i think it seems he has been treated poorly. i think it was right that alison rose resigned for the confidentiality breach. terms of anyone else resigning , i breach. terms of anyone else resigning, i think can't see resigning, i think i can't see it myself because i don't think it myself because i don't think it falls on them. so i think i think it's a bit of a storm in a teacup, but i'll defer to nigel on the extent of the problem, to be honest. >> thank you very much. storm in a teacup, but you'll defer to nigel. it's nice to hear a nuanced view on that. that's really interesting. thanks. and fraser, was interesting fraser, that was an interesting interview patel and

interview with priti patel and she tony on she agrees with tony blair on something. make of something. what did you make of that? i agree with priti that? well, i agree with priti patel. that? well, i agree with priti pat and i that? well, i agree with priti patand i surprised to that? well, i agree with priti pat and i surprised to see >> and yes, i surprised to see myself agreeing with tony myself also agreeing with tony blair. i think it's fantastic the rate that we've seen britain decarbonise years and decarbonise over the years and we are at the forefront really of building this greener, cleaner economy. however we can't bankrupt people to do it and i think we are naive if we think that britain can somehow now change the global picture. when you look at the outputs in russia, china, india , indonesia, russia, china, india, indonesia, ourinputis russia, china, india, indonesia, our input is so small in comparison that the rate of growth in china eclipses our carbon output each year. so even if we were to stop and go to net zero tomorrow, the global emissions would still continue to surge in the head. >> thank you very much. i think there are quite a few conservative backbenchers who would who would agree with you conservative backbenchers who wo thatvho would agree with you conservative backbenchers who wo that and nould agree with you conservative backbenchers who wo that and liam, agree with you conservative backbenchers who wo that and liam, what with you conservative backbenchers who wo that and liam, what about'ou on that and liam, what about you? how did you how did you feel about about priti patel's reaction to the ulez policy and

to what nigel farage had to say? >> yeah, i just see it really as a labour tax bill, you know, i think sadiq khan's put the tfl in a massive amount of debt and you know, you've even got the leader of the labour party in keir starmer doesn't even really want be associated with it at want to be associated with it at all. you've got that front all. so you've got that front and with banks as and i think with the banks as well. what's happening with farage? should farage? i don't think you should really unelected really be having unelected officials the of these officials at the top of these banks dictating who has a bank account doesn't just account and who doesn't just because political because of their political views. so yeah, views. you know, so yeah, i think that's. >> you think there'll be >> do you think there'll be people change minds people who change their minds about vote in the about the way to vote in the next general election based on based on ulez? next general election based on basyeah, ulez? next general election based on basyeah, iilez? next general election based on basyeah, i think ulez >> yeah, i think ulez essentially will dictate on how people vote . i think, you know, people vote. i think, you know, i've spoken to friends and family members. it doesn't even have to be conservative. if the lib dems went against ulez you know, and you could see that in, like i with like wes like i said, with like wes streeting in with keir starmer, like i said, with like wes stree'ofg in with keir starmer, like i said, with like wes stree'of them ith keir starmer, like i said, with like wes stree'of them wanteir starmer, like i said, with like wes stree'of them wanteir fbermer, none of them want to be associated with the general associated with with the general election next so election coming up next year. so thatis election coming up next year. so that is quite interesting. so we'll and see what we'll have to wait and see what happens.

we'll have to wait and see what hapthank you very much. pretty >> thank you very much. pretty stark for khan stark message for sadiq khan there. so that's what our people's in people's panel think here in bexley. back to camilla bexley. for now, back to camilla in the studio. >> great job, olivia, and thank you the panellists you to all of the panellists there so about there speaking so clearly about their it's to their opinions. it's great to heat their opinions. it's great to hear. you want to join hear. now, if you want to join the panel next week, go to gb news dot com forward slash panel news dot com forward slash panel. there's lots more still to show. don't to come on today's show. don't go anywhere because going to come on today's show. don't go be ywhere because going to come on today's show. don't go be ywhere lfrom se going to come on today's show. don't go be ywhere lfrom labour going to come on today's show. don't go be ywhere lfrom labour mping to be hearing from labour mp barry and also barry gardiner and i'm also going speaking andrew going to be speaking to andrew reid, who's written the inside story brexit party. story of the brexit party. we'll be back. you know it, be back. before you know it, that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your latest gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. we have two areas of low pressure with us at the moment. the first tracking its northern areas of its way across northern areas of scotland, this occluded scotland, bringing this occluded front with showers at front with some showers at times. second one pushing times. the second one pushing its into the south—west. its way into the south—west. we've already started to see some south—west some rain move into south—west england, turning heavier for parts of into northern

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your company this morning. now let's get labour's view on everything we've been everything that we've been discussing . barry discussing so far. barry gardiner, the mp for brent north since me now. sorry, since 1997, joins me now. sorry, does that make you make me very old? my goodness me? well, it's a tribute to your wisdom and experience on such matters. let's kick off with the banking farrago, calling it, with farrago, as i'm calling it, with nigel i'm a confused nigel farage. i'm a bit confused by labour's because by labour's position because you've on one you've had rachel reeves on one hand press are hand saying, oh, the press are bullying dame alison rose out of her natwest ceo . i think herjob as natwest ceo. i think starmer to be supportive starmer seems to be supportive of farage's quest to try and find out what's going on. he's come on the show this morning and says that he thinks a thousand accounts a day are thousand bank accounts a day are being closed down. i mean, i'd imagine a long standing imagine as a long standing labour pretty labour mp that makes you pretty uncomfortable and look make the most of this, camilla, because one time, one time only you will hear me being supportive of nigel farage. >> okay, great to hear arch—remainer barry gardiner make make note not not on brexit, right ? but make make note not not on brexit, right? but but make make note not not on brexit, right ? but but no, brexit, right? but but no, i look, banking is something that

is vital to everybody's life in the uk . yeah. and if it can be the uk. yeah. and if it can be arbitrary , freely taken away arbitrary, freely taken away from you, that is not right. and i think what happened to nigel farage was wrong . and i think farage was wrong. and i think what's going on underneath that in terms of the way in which banks treat their customers really does need investigated . really does need investigated. and i want to put a proviso to that, and that is that we in london can have unfortunate become a centre for money laundering and we know that it's come from russia, it's come from a lot of places and you only have to look at the number of very plush apartments, you know, in kensington , south kensington in kensington, south kensington area that there are no lights on in the evening. to know that it's money laundering that is funding those as an investment for the future. right we need to deal with money laundering . but deal with money laundering. but the way in which the banks are doing this is actually victimising ordinary people and

so i think we do need an investigation. >> it does need to be sorted. alison rose was being victimised . she made a mistake. >> it's for you to ask rachel about her own view. >> rachel reeves on this show, sheisnt >> rachel reeves on this show, she isn't as open to doing gb news as you are. barry well, i've always believed that, you know, the people that you need to talk to or the people who are less likely vote for you less likely to vote for you because way i persuade because that way i can persuade your audience to come and vote for me. amen to that . now let's for me. amen to that. now let's talk about voters and what they think of ulez. particularly think of ulez. i'm particularly interested in view because interested in your view because i know your constituency of brent north is kind of on the border of the extension. so people are to be driving people are going to be driving out their homes in brent out of their homes in brent nonh out of their homes in brent north straight into a 1250 charge. a supporter or. charge. are you a supporter or. >> they already do because they cross they cross the north cross they they cross the north circular . but look, cross they they cross the north circular. but look, i'm a huge supporter of ulez. and yes, absolutely . supporter of ulez. and yes, absolutely. i'm a huge supporter of the ulez for a very good reason. this is a public health

issue . and you know, whether issue. and you know, whether it's ulez, whether it's climate change, the question you've got to ask yourself is how much are you prepared to steal from your own children? because that's what's going on. if you have a child that grows up within 100m of a main polluting road , that's of a main polluting road, that's 10,000 vehicle movements a day , 10,000 vehicle movements a day, that child grows up with a lung capacity impaired by up to one third. now, if you're prepared to do that to your children , to do that to your children, fine. back the back . the fine. back the back. the campaign against the ulez anyway , we've got a ban on new petrol and diesels and we're all persuaded that's 20, 30 camilla tominey and it's new and it's seven years. no, no, but it's new petrol and diesel vehicles. >> what about your constituents 7 >> what about your constituents ? aren't they worried about being taxed ? you know, being multiply taxed? you know, you've motorists you've got the motorists being taxed when they buy their petrol, they they're petrol, when they they're actually obviously they actually taxed. obviously they pay actually taxed. obviously they pay tax disc. pay money for their tax disc. their being taxed perhaps secondarily because they might have to get a residence parking

permit, they then drive through an and they fined, they an ltn and they get fined, they get they go to the centre get taxed, they go to the centre of london, they have to pay a congestion charge. they get taxed. to be taxed. now it's going to be extended that you're extended so that you're basically an extra basically paying an extra tax just get around greater just to get around greater london. mean, is very london. i mean, there is a very strong suggest strong argument to suggest that this the poor poorer. this is making the poor poorer. and a labour mp, i didn't and as a labour mp, i didn't think you'd be happy with that. >> camilla, who caused the >> camilla, who has caused the cost of living crisis , is liz cost of living crisis, is liz truss , liz truss and kwasi truss, liz truss and kwasi kwarteng, £40 billion off our economy . who promised who economy. who promised who promised to cut with ulez though. >> because. no, no, no, no, no . >> because. no, no, no, no, no. >>— >> because. no, no, no, no, no. >> sorry. sadiq khan came up with it. you yourself said earlier on the programme, yeah, you yourself. well let's talk about that , because it was boris about that, because it was boris that initiated the ulez, as you well know, and actually , yes, well know, and actually, yes, i do. i support that . but hang on. do. i support that. but hang on. >> but no , no, no. >> but no, no, no. >>— >> but no, no, no. >> let's let's go back to grant shapps because you know very well that in the negotiation

sessions at the time of covid, the negotiations with tfl, it was grant shapps who insisted that it was an obligation on tfl to expand the ulez . now the to expand the ulez. now the government believes , the government believes, the government believes, the government believes, the government believes that this is the right thing to do . they the right thing to do. they believe that it's right to support scrappage schemes because they're giving £230 million to birmingham , to million to birmingham, to bristol, to oxford for their scrappage schemes. what they're not doing is giving a penny piece to londoners. now so i've got a question for the government . and that's why why government. and that's why why are you not giving up to nine and a half grand for vans ? and a half grand for vans? >> i looked it up last week. yeah. so so are you saying that it should be more money for the scrappage scheme? >> what i'm saying there should be more people who are eligible for in the way be more people who are eligible for you're in the way be more people who are eligible for you're suggestingway be more people who are eligible for you're suggesting precisely that you're suggesting precisely what you're saying is affordable, she it's affordable, she said it's not affordable, she said it's not affordable londoners and affordable for londoners and i think was echoed wes think that was echoed by wes streeting. i'm sorry. let's streeting. well i'm sorry. let's be absolutely clear. the

government could give the money to london that they have given elsewhere. the reason that they have not done so is they wanted to use the ulez as a political stick to beat the mayor with the london mayor, with particularly that kind of worked, hasn't it? >> because would you agree that uxbndge >> because would you agree that uxbridge was retained by the tories on the back of the backlash against the ulez? >> well, see, i would have >> well, you see, i would have liked have much liked us to have been much firmer in support of ulez in firmer in our support of ulez in uxbridge. you're not saying that khanis uxbridge. you're not saying that khan is doing this against his will. >> he wants to expand it. it's the thing to do. the right thing to do. >> absolutely believe that >> i absolutely believe that this public health. this is about public health. don't. don't take the politicians for it. listen politicians word for it. listen to the british heart and to what the british heart and lung foundation saying . lung foundation are saying. listen to all the doctors listen to what all the doctors are what the are saying. listen to what the medical saying . they medical experts are saying. they say it's for and a half thousand deaths a year that are caused premature purely by air pollution . and it can be solved pollution. and it can be solved by ulez. now, that's important

because it's our children's future that we're talking about. >> but you've said this week that you repeating actually those words, just that you've said here about the playing of party political games, and you've said that we should mobilise on war footing, mobilise on a war footing, footing to combat rising global temperatures . and so do you temperatures. and so do you think that starmer should be more stridently in support of the ulez because he's prevaricated on it since uxbndge? prevaricated on it since uxbridge? he doesn't seem to think it's a good idea for khan to be pursuing because he to be pursuing it because he thinks going to him thinks it's going to lose him votes the capital and i don't votes in the capital and i don't think that's quite what keir said. >> i he's asked sadiq to >> i think he's asked sadiq to reflect and to listen right now . i'm not going to get into a spat with with a party leader , spat with with a party leader, my party leader, who actually fully supports the ulez wants it to be introduced in a way that people can manage. we all want that because we want to take the pubuc that because we want to take the public with us and it's really, really important. well maybe what needs to happen is the government needs to put the

money into london that it's put into the rest of the country for ulez to make sure that it can come down there . are you and i come down there. are you and i might have a point of agreement i >> -- >> do you know what you've already agreed with? nigel farage. if we have a you ruin my reputation . what is happening to reputation. what is happening to you? this is the gb news effect, you see? thank you very much, as even you see? thank you very much, as ever, for coming on in such good humour. i think you've humour. but also i think you've given of that given a robust defence of that policy and as you say, when you're talking about children's lives, does give the other lives, it does give the other perspective. though perspective. even though politically this seems a politically this seems to be a bit a hot potato. thank you bit of a hot potato. thank you very much for joining bit of a hot potato. thank you very much forjoining me bit of a hot potato. thank you very much for joining me this morning. barry gardner as say, very much for joining me this mormp]. barry gardner as say, very much for joining me this mormp for arry gardner as say, very much for joining me this mormp for brent ardner as say, very much for joining me this mormp for brent north. as say, very much for joining me this mormp for brent north. sinceay, the mp for brent north. since 1997. but we don't say that at all to make him feel old. now, don't go anywhere, because i'm going to andrew going to be speaking to andrew reid, has written the inside going to be speaking to andrew reid, of has written the inside going to be speaking to andrew reid, of the as written the inside

well come back to the camilla tominey show now. sometimes we do plug books which we think are of interest to you, the viewers and the listeners it's this and the listeners and it's this one andrew reid, who's the one by andrew reid, who's the author the story of author of the inside story of the party. it's called the brexit party. it's called the art of the impossible how to start a political party. the mind frankly. andrew start a political party. the min tell frankly. andrew start a political party. the mintell me frankly. andrew start a political party. the mintell me about1kly. andrew start a political party. the mintell me about how andrew start a political party. the mintell me about how you�*ew start a political party. the mintell me about how you got but tell me about how you got involved in the brexit party. what intrigues that what intrigues me about that whole movement is that the brexit party did so well and it was very representational of society at large and it didn't quite get the criticism that was

attracted to ukip back in the day. why was that ? day. why was that? >> well, that was because when we planned to set it up, it was going to cross all political spectrums. so in simpler words , spectrums. so in simpler words, it was not going to be there as representing one party. but actually representing the views of actually the 17.4 million people who voted for brexit might be lefties , might be might be lefties, might be righties, might be somewhere in between . i mean, you know, we between. i mean, you know, we had mrs. fox as she was known then, claire fox for fox . so we then, claire fox for fox. so we had people of every he every political colour . it didn't had people of every he every political colour. it didn't make any difference. but if they believed in brexit, then they were very welcome to join or participate in bringing about the success that the brexit party brought about, only to be let down. sadly yes. >> well, let's get on to that in a minute. but when you say about the art of the impossible in setting the party up just how difficult was it? i mean, we just heard from nigel the

just heard from nigel about the kind of de—banking scandal, this culture permeated kind of de—banking scandal, this clyouz permeated kind of de—banking scandal, this clyou don't permeated kind of de—banking scandal, this clyou don't agreearmeated kind of de—banking scandal, this clyou don't agree withated kind of de—banking scandal, this clyou don't agree with me, then if you don't agree with me, then you're . how difficult if you don't agree with me, then you'it . how difficult if you don't agree with me, then you' it to . how difficult if you don't agree with me, then you'it to get . how difficult if you don't agree with me, then you' it to get this how difficult if you don't agree with me, then you' it to get this offw difficult if you don't agree with me, then you' it to get this off the fficult ground? >> well, if you look, i'm to going say page 29in the book. there we are. what? how many years ago now? 4 or 5 years ago. we're we couldn't get a bank account . right. exactly. that account. right. exactly. that because we were effectively a thorne. yes. no bank wanted to have. and eventually when the we reform or brexit reform got a bank account, it had it cancelled. i think about about a year later . cancelled. i think about about a year later. so and at the time, presumably the suspicion was because it was this kind of politically exposed argument that or did you think it was the establishment trying to shut down people who had pro—brexit sympathies? >> well, i think it was the latter, yeah. >> i mean, the reality is, you know, ukip was impregnated by mi5 . we know, ukip was impregnated by m15 . we were effectively a form

m15. we were effectively a form of the brexit party were the last thing they wanted to appear on the horizon . but it was too on the horizon. but it was too short a period for anyone to be able to get inside. it but yes, there were a lot of problems in setting up a party. i mean, you've got so many you've got the physical organisation, then the physical organisation, then the organisation then of people. yes. and then the harder thing is dealing with the electoral commission who were totally against us again because they had the pro—remain establishment viewpoint precisely . and we'll viewpoint precisely. and we'll move later on in, in our conversation onto the gordon brown scenario, which is a very interesting one, where again , we interesting one, where again, we get the russian nonsense . get the russian nonsense. >> yes, russian funding, russian backing and all that. and that's all just a smear, complete smear. >> smear. >> but what is the electoral commission do the day before the election, they put it out the night before that they're going to visiting offices to to be visiting the offices to have at illegal

have a look at illegal donations. that's what they found. absolutely nothing. yes and you know, it was this approach that was throughout any official organisation towards it's amazing you got it off the ground at all. >> can we talk about nigel's role in it all? i mean, how pivotal was he and does he need to get more involved in reform as the brexit party is now known ? >> 7- >> that's a ? >> that's a decision 7 >> that's a decision that he will make. i know, but me , i am will make. i know, but me, i am rocket fuel. yeah he is. he is rocket fuel. yeah he is. he is rocket fuel. yeah he is. he is rocket fuel. look nigel has a following of about 5 million people like it or like it. not all the conservatives and for that matter any other party have to accept that because he is a conviction politician . we have conviction politician. we have so few of them who actually believe in what they are saying and believe in talking to people. nigel can talk to someone who has a completely opposite view to his own and listen, whereas as most politicians now are only a set

put in set position and are not able to cope with any form of argument against what they've been told to say. >> but how much of a threat do you think reform now are on the right? you know, there's increasing concerns. i discussed earlier with priti patel about conservatives no longer being conservatives no longer being conservative enough . i mean, is conservative enough. i mean, is there that space for the party on right and is there space on the right and is there space for party on the right to for a party on the right to succeed without nigel farage at the well i think there's the helm? well i think there's a lot of who are homeless. lot of people who are homeless. >> yes. in this country. i mean, i would say i'm one of them. and a probably a new a new form of party needs to come in. >> well, in addition to reform, well, it may well be a new well , talking about new conservatives, i mean , sometimes conservatives, i mean, sometimes people i meet in the street say, why doesn't the likes of nigel pretty jacob, rob, other righties in the party who are disgruntled with the direction of governmental travel, why

don't they all form their own party? could that work? >> andrew well, i actually tried to get a message through to liz truss yeah, to talk to him to realise that there is a view to talk to. >> farage yeah, yeah . what, to >> farage yeah, yeah. what, to kind of get those two together and see it never happened, but i did try to send that message through because i mean she was basically ousted in a bloodless coup. >> yeah, i mean, that's really what happened . quite what happened. quite interesting. but no one's ever analysed it in those terms because we are now, in terms of the interest rates and all the other horror stories, exactly where we where they said it was going to happen if she was there, but at least she had an idea to bring something new to encourage growth rather than just to stay stymie it. >> what's your analysis of rishi sunak? >> briefly, my analysis is that he's a good man who hasn't quite worked out where he needs to be. >> where do you think he needs to be? >> i think he needs to get back

to some proper conservative values. i mean, in the last i think the conservatives have achieved in the last 12 years, more more than any labour government would have achieved in high spending and high taxes. exactly all that. and when exactly all of that. and when you now have a situation where, what, 52% of the working population work for the state, this is getting very frightening. yes we're heading into russian tractor factories , into russian tractor factories, sort of type type situation . sort of type type situation. >> you know, and we read we're going to have to leave it there just for time reasons. but just to give your book a little, it's the inside story of the brexit party, the art of the impossible. although as we've seen here through our own fellow gb news presenter, anything is possible. and in fact, what he's done on banking, i think i don't know. feeling know. i just get the feeling this is the turning of a tide, not just on the banking issue, this is the turning of a tide, not just cancellation ng issue, this is the turning of a tide, not just cancellation in issue, but just cancellation in general. this idea that if you've got an opposing view, general. this idea that if you'vyou'rean opposing view, general. this idea that if you'vyou'rean ojusting view, general. this idea that if you'vyou'rean ojust ag view, general. this idea that if you'vyou'rean ojust a racistl, then you're not just a racist and a bigot, but you aren't able to it and you can be to air it and you can be debunked. so just watch debunked. so let's just watch

this very closely, this story very, very closely, because think more because i think there's more to come week. now, i'm going come this week. now, i'm going to next week at 930. to be back next week at 930. still the only political show on on a sunday morning. up on a sunday morning. but up next, foster. she's next, it's arlene foster. she's going just after this going to come just after this weather looks things are weather looks like things are heating boxt boilers, proud heating up, boxt boilers, proud sponsors . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> hello there. i'm jonathan autry here with your latest gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. we have two areas of low pressure with us at the moment. the first tracking its way across northern areas of scotland, bringing this occluded its way across northern areas of scotl with bringing this occluded its way across northern areas of scotl with some 1g this occluded its way across northern areas of scotl with some showersccluded its way across northern areas of scotl with some showers atuded front with some showers at times. the second one pushing its into the southwest. its way into the southwest. we've already started to see some into southwest some rain move into southwest england, turning heavier for parts of wales into northern england, turning heavier for parts of later; into northern england, turning heavier for parts of later; in as northern england, turning heavier for parts of later; in as north

rain and cloud pushing its way through as well, through breezy as well, particularly gusty around some coastal rain coastal areas. outbreaks of rain continuing continue for many progressing way up into progressing its way up into scotland. it's the far north scotland. but it's the far north of scotland that will likely stay with some stay dry with some clearer spells. and those clearer spells. and under those clearer skies, turn a bit chillier skies, we'll turn a bit chillier down around six five degrees down to around six five degrees celsius and some sheltered villages much warmer more villages much warmer and more humid to everywhere else humid start to everywhere else on morning . the rain on monday morning. the rain tracking the channel tracking across the channel islands lingering along some coasts england. but coasts of southern england. but a spells trying to a few brighter spells trying to develop that develop in places that still with the of showers at with the risk of showers at times looking like it times the rain looking like it will push into northern areas of scotland , but generally central scotland, but generally central southern as well, southern scotland as well, seeing persistent southern scotland as well, seeing rain persistent southern scotland as well, seeing rain generally.istent southern scotland as well, seeing rain generally feeling areas of rain generally feeling rather cool for most of us with all of rain and clouds all of that rain and clouds around and further unsettled spells, on spells, particularly to come on wednesday by by looks like things are heating up. >> boxed boilers are proud sponsors of weather on gb news .

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with two hours of political and topical debate. well, we've got a packed show coming up and right off the bat we're looking at the race for number 10 as prime minister. rishi sunak declares he's on the side of the motorist and also takes a swipe at sir starmer for lacking at sir keir starmer for lacking principles . then at sir keir starmer for lacking principles. then i'll be joined by ed vaizey , former by lord ed vaizey, former minister culture, will minister for culture, who will have say on the scandal that have his say on the scandal that has rocked both the city of westminster city of westminster and the city of london. just how did natwest manage mishandle the issue of manage to mishandle the issue of nigel account so nigel farage's bank account so spectacularly and how can we get back to a time when access to bafic back to a time when access to basic necessities like a bank account didn't depend on your values? and we're also got another load coming up because i have got my former party colleague, lord nigel dodds , on colleague, lord nigel dodds, on the programme. he'll be telling us the new windsor us why the new windsor framework, about to be framework, which is about to be imposed northern ireland imposed on northern ireland actually view, actually from his point of view, makes the situation worse for business and business owners. there and speaking owners, speaking of business owners, graham and leanne carlin have turned themselves into multi—millionaires patiently multi—millionaires by patiently building up their property empire. but as more