nice way. joining me for the a nice way. joining me for the next hour, it's former brexit party mep ben habib and former editor of the labourlist peter edwards, who'll be going head to head from four till six. christine hamilton and danny kelly coming up as well. >> they'll be joining me later in the show. >> before we get started, >> but before we get started, let's the latest news let's get the latest news headunes let's get the latest news headlines rte edison . headlines from rte edison. >> thanks, dawn . good afternoon. >> thanks, dawn. good afternoon. it's 3:00 on edison in the newsroom . our top story, former newsroom. our top story, former home secretary dame priti patel has told gb news the government needs to clamp down on, quote, lefty lawyers to stop illegal migration. she says the attorney general and the lord chancellor need to take action over how law firms behave . that says the firms behave. that says the number of channel crossings continues to climb. more than 41,700 people intercepted in small boats. so far this year. dame pretty warns the clock is ticking for the government to implement its new illegal

migration bill we need a deterrent factor, for a start and removals and returns my rwanda plan was central to that. >> the returns agreements that i have put in place and others are now putting in place. we have to get planes leaving the country and show that if you come here illegally, you can't just get a free pass being firm is actually the stance that we should take, and that means removing people and that means removing people and people to other and returning people to other third or country of origin. >> dame pretty also spoke to camilla tominey about the net zero target, saying the government needs to press pause on the 2050 climate goal. >> public are not ready for this and importantly, we cannot just have this state, the government central government just sort of saying across again, institutions, local councils , institutions, local councils, county councils, this these are the targets that you have to meet. when we don't have the technology, we're not ready. now, if we want a sensible conversation about climate and the impact of climate change,

recognise that there are problems is one thing. absolute but making sure that we have the tools and the ability that doesn't impose costs and taxes on ordinary people , the energy on ordinary people, the energy and security secretary says he and security secretary says he and his family have struggled to open accounts at major banks in the wake of the nigel farage row grant shapps told the sun the problem stems from being a politically exposed person. >> he accused banks of going too far. it comes as mr farage launched a new website to help people who, like him have had their bank accounts forcibly closed. the gb news presenter says 1000 accounts are being shut every day. >> what i've learned in the three weeks since i came out, as it were, i've just been inundated by small businesses, by folk all around the country. people in absolute fear , terror people in absolute fear, terror lives being ruined , thousands of lives being ruined, thousands of businesses being closed as well. >> the prime minister is ordering a review into the

rollout out of low traffic neighbourhoods . the scheme, neighbourhoods. the scheme, which has been used by councils to stop drivers cutting through residential areas, has been seen by some as an attack on motorists. in an interview with the sunday telegraph, rishi sunak said he supports people's right to use their cars to do all the things that matter to them. shadow international trade secretary nic thomas—symonds says the pm should leave the decisions to local areas . decisions to local areas. >> our position is that it is for communities to make these decisions, whether it is in terms of low traffic neighbourhoods where by the way, there are communities up and down the country. we want to reduce traffic going through their neighbourhoods , whether it their neighbourhoods, whether it is in terms of, you know , clean is in terms of, you know, clean air zones. we've talked obviously specifically about ulez . yes, we certainly believe ulez. yes, we certainly believe a well—planned low traffic neighbourhood is a good thing. >> and finally, hs2 programme has been given a red rating by

the infrastructure watchdog. it believes the timetable for construction of the first two phases of the rail line from london to birmingham and then on to crewe are unachievable . the to crewe are unachievable. the ipa's annual report , which ipa's annual report, which followed the resignation of chief executive mark thurston, cites major issues with the schedule and the budget at hs2 was initially slated to open in 2026. this has now been delayed by ”p 2026. this has now been delayed by up to seven years. this is gb news. we'll bring you more as it happens. now let's get straight back to dawn . back to dawn. >> thank you very much, ray. >> thank you very much, ray. >> now , before we get stuck into >> now, before we get stuck into our debates over the next hour, let me introduce you to my wonderful panel today. >> joining me is former brexit party mep and reform advisor ben habib. >> hello , ben. thank you very >> hello, ben. thank you very much for joining >> hello, ben. thank you very much forjoining me. and also

former editor of the labourlist peter edwards. lovely to see you, peter. thank you for joining me. right. so here's what's coming up. 1000 bank accounts are being closed every day. so says our very own nigel farage, who has today launched a new website vowing to take the banks head on and is the eu punishing us over brexit.7 what do you think? new punishing us over brexit? what do you think? new travel rules, visas, more secure and delay is the eu finally getting their brexit revenge against british travellers and the latest bright idea from the home office migrant marquees ? why not? migrant marquees? why not? refugee activists have hit out at the marquees as cruel and unfair, but with thousands of arrivals across the channel, is it the right solution? and with winter energy bills set to soar again over shortages , can we again over shortages, can we really afford to keep net zero? and focusing on our continued sustainability ? forget the rich sustainability? forget the rich list the mail on sunday. i love this story. the mail on sunday today have published a woke list for 2023. the hits and the

misses. you won't believe some of the people that are on this list. it's fantastic. that's all coming up in the next hour. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing by emailing gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb news. now, there's only at. gb news. now, there's only one subject in town, isn't there? we're all talking about it because it affects us all and we all should be worried about this. we're kicking off with. yes, nigel farage and that banking row we've after the revelations nigel's bank revelations about nigel's bank account first came to light. the issue is nowhere to issue is going nowhere to a major resignations this week. natwest ceo dame alison rose and coutts ceo peter flavel while natwest chairman howard davies is for now staying on or perhaps just clinging on. and now, as it's revealed that thousands of britons have also faced bank account closures, ordinary people like me and you, by the way, nigel has put his consumer champion cap on, launching a new

campaign this morning on camilla tominey program . tominey program. >> from the information we've got out today is that now 1000 bank accounts a day are being closed a day every single day, a thousand people, whether it's their personal or business accounts , are being closed down. accounts, are being closed down. and my concern is that rachel reeves, the shadow chancellor, this week, showed , showed no this week, showed, showed no comprehension of the issue whatsoever . whatsoever. >> how anyone can not see the issues involved in this is beyond me. yeah good afternoon. emily maitlis in particular. right. so yeah, you heard that right. nearly 1000 accounts are being closed every single day as more and more businesses move away from cash free and open access to our bank accounts has never been more important. now let's turn to our panel on this. i get really angry about this one. i'm sorry. ijust i get really angry about this one. i'm sorry. i just cannot one. i'm sorry. ijust cannot see how no one is really concerned about it. so welcome again. former brexit party mep ben habib and former editor of labourlist peter edwards . right. labourlist peter edwards. right. okay. first i want to talk about

this incredible story, gentlemen. i still i'm still worried . basically, i'm not worried. basically, i'm not famous , i'm not rich, but i've famous, i'm not rich, but i've got a bank account and i need one. so let's come to you first. ben. what do you i mean, nigel spoken at length about this and on camilla's show this morning, launching his new new website account, closed .org to register people that are suffering in the same way. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and i mean you're absolutely right. in the way that you framed the problem. >> dawn, this affects all of us, and we need a bank account in life in order to be able to operate and in the pursuit of profit in an more regulated profit in an ever more regulated world in order to make ends meet . a lot of bank accounts are being closed because banks don't see those bank accounts as profitable. yeah but they turn to the public purse to your and our pockets. but when they go bust and we bailed them out and in fact, natwest is 38% owned by by the state by us in effect.

and £45 billion of taxpayers money we gave them a huge amount of money and there's still 38% owned by the by the taxpayer. so i mean, what's happened there are a number of things at play here, dawn, and i think it's important to unpick them. so nigel's problem with them was twofold. they took a dislike to nigel because of the regulatory framework which obliges banks to have a view on social justice. their own internal social justice program and the vast majority of regulated businesses, including banks and by the way, this is not this is not restricted only to banks, but the vast majority of regulated businesses discharge their obligation to social justice through diversity and inclusion. and through the promotion of net zero policies. and nigel wants a debate on net zero. he sees all lives as being equal zero. he sees all lives as being equal. he doesn't see black lives as mattering more than white lives. and so they decided nigel is a bad man and that was the basis on which he was debunked. but but what did for

alison rose and the chief executive of coutts far enough was not their de—banking of nigel. i think they could have more or less got away with it. it was the breach of data protection. exactly that you know, talking about a private banker talking about private banker talking about private bank to the bbc, to the bbc, and then they all denied it and then finally admitted it after nigel thankfully took up the fight. yeah. and so and then the third issue here is what grant shapps and gina miller have just suffered with, which is politically exposed persons regulations , which comes from regulations, which comes from the eu through the financial action task force, which we've adopted in this country. action task force, which we've adopted in this country . and adopted in this country. and that basically makes it really expensive for banks to take on board politically exposed people, people who've held high office or not even high office, any office or have held it recently . and nigel wasn't in recently. and nigel wasn't in that camp . grant shapps was gina that camp. grant shapps was gina miller was absolutely. and then of course, there's the vast swathe of the bank accounts that

are closed purely on non profitable grounds. >> yeah, absolutely. and so we have to champion all those groups of people. >> we need a viable democratic system. you can only do that if politically exposed people can get bank accounts. we need we need and we need a system that's blind to ideology that promotes profit. >> this is the problem i have with this particular story , with this particular story, peter, is the fact that it's i don't want any bank telling me what i can and can't think politically. and this seems to be the issue that coots and owners natwest had with nigel farage. it's 1994. it's george orwell, it's . you're thinking orwell, it's. you're thinking the wrong thoughts. you have to think like us. so what's the labour take on this one? she says slightly , nervously. well, says slightly, nervously. well, it's often said nigel farage has had more comebacks, and frank sinatra. >> and on this he's had another . and he's got a point. as the website launch shows today, the banks have been caught. so i think that's why it was right

that alison rose had to go. realistically, getting rid of the chairman when we've got a 39% investment it, it's 39% investment in it, it's probably not very good for taxpayers money. keir taxpayers money. but keir starmer labour party . starmer leads the labour party. essentially natwest were essentially said natwest were wrong and indicated that the ceo had to go and she has. >> yeah, absolutely. and it's not i mean, we've talked about the political sort of like arron banks, wigmore, his banks, andy wigmore, his sidekick, tice, but sidekick, and richard tice, but i kemi badenoch was i mean, also kemi badenoch was saying professor saying today that professor lesley who was lesley sawers obe, who was a human rights and sort of like transgender and feminist rights, she's had her account cancelled as well. well, that's the thing about politically exposed persons or peps as they're known in doesn't just in the trade, it doesn't just cover 10 or 12 people around the top of the cabinet table. >> it can cover hundreds of people or been an people who've served or been an adviser to government or been senior in opposition or their family members. >> so we're not we're not just talking about ten people that might have a slightly different treatment. >> i don't know the number, but it reaches across society, top

of politics, top of business as well, possibly even the of well, possibly even the top of the don't know. the media. i don't know. >> frightening. and it can >> it's frightening. and it can affect all of by the way, affect all of us. by the way, this about nigel farage this isn't about nigel farage and you think his and what you think of his policies anyone's politics. policies or anyone's politics. by policies or anyone's politics. by there are ordinary by the way, there are ordinary business, ordinary people having their accounts cancelled business, ordinary people having their now. accounts cancelled business, ordinary people having their now. rightints cancelled business, ordinary people having their now. right talking:elled business, ordinary people having their now. right talking of.ed right now. right talking of actually giving ordinary people actually giving ordinary people a should we move a good kick in. should we move to brexit bullying and the to on brexit bullying and the new eu visas? right. okay. so explain what. ben, i'm gonna come you first again this come to you first again on this one. what is exactly one. explain what is exactly going on here. >> so the eu, this is not new, by the way. the eu has wanted to do a while, which is do this for a while, which is basically fingerprinting basically the fingerprinting recording detailed data of recording of detailed data of people coming in out of the people coming in and out of the european union. and course european union. and of course with the united kingdom leaving the would subject to the eu, we would be subject to the eu, we would be subject to the rules that they wish to the same rules that they wish to impose on everyone else. what's interesting about this interesting to me about this story, than its story, more than its implications brexit, it implications for brexit, is it emphasises to those of us who were pro brexit that the eu is effectively a cartel. it's a closed shop, it's not an open, it's not that world embracing open and globetrotting

institution which it wishes to claim to be. it's really an introvert, introverted , closed, introvert, introverted, closed, small minded club. and now that we're out of it, they want us to abide by all these extra regulations right? >> so this is basically we will now, as of when's it meant to be coming in, i mean, it's been meant to be coming in for a while, but it's a bit vague about that. aren't they? 20, 24 proper? possibly, but it's basically an basically a bit like getting an american esta from what i can work you know, you sort of work out, you know, you sort of like scan and you have to like facial scan and you have to fill like a visa application fill in like a visa application form where to give form where you have to give where you're staying, how long you're be there you're going to be there and sort of fill in health details as well. now, this as well. now, peter, is this revenge or is it revenge for brexit or is it simply border controls ? and we simply border controls? and we talk about it a lot in this country. we all want stronger border controls. so maybe we're getting knickers a twist getting a knickers in a twist about nothing, really. >> well, wouldn't say >> well, i wouldn't say it's nothing, wouldn't describe nothing, but i wouldn't describe it you know, nothing, but i wouldn't describe itthink you know, nothing, but i wouldn't describe itthink we've you know, nothing, but i wouldn't describe itthink we've had you know, nothing, but i wouldn't describe itthink we've had the 'ou know, nothing, but i wouldn't describe itthink we've had the brexityw, i think we've had the brexit negotiations. britain's left. we didn't good deal. and didn't get a very good deal. and i think the look at us now as

i think the eu look at us now as well. you made your bed, you lie in it and they have relatively. >> sound a bit like >> that does sound a bit like revenge, though. no, i think revenge, though. no, no, i think it's passive that. >> i think it's indifferent. they think britain made bad >> i think it's indifferent. they tiand britain made bad >> i think it's indifferent. they tiand iritain made bad >> i think it's indifferent. they tiand i think made bad >> i think it's indifferent. they tiand i think britain bad >> i think it's indifferent. they tiand i think britain can! choice and i think britain can sink or swim on its own. i think you hit the nail on the head you you hit the nail on the head when you alluded to the american system, which for people who haven't there haven't travelled there recently, esta esta, recently, is called esta esta, which complex. i think which is very complex. i think any or group of nations any nation or group of nations is entitled to the rules by is entitled to set the rules by which there. which people enter there. but the me a bit the thing that alarms me a bit about this, and it's not really anything to do with the brexit, is thing about facial is the thing about facial recognition, because an recognition, because that's an emerging technology see emerging technology and we see it media. it it on social media. we see it with whenever there's with al that whenever there's a new technology, it often takes us a lot longer to understand it and operate it safely we and operate it safely than we think we do. >> but what extraordinary and >> but what is extraordinary and i'll out point this i'll just point out point this out, is that we've got out, if i may, is that we've got unbridled illegal migration. >> this exactly point >> this is exactly the point i was to make into europe. was going to make into europe. >> control their >> yes, they can't control their borders. schengen zone makes borders. the schengen zone makes it to what's it impossible to control what's going on within europe. once you're greece you're

you're into greece, you're effectively , you know, effectively at calais, you know, waiting to board a dinghy to come to a much more generous unhed come to a much more generous united kingdom. and at the same time, they're bringing this incredibly system to incredibly draconian system to monitor people who are entering europe legally. >> this is the point i was going to make. this is what i couldn't get my head around this morning when i first read this story. it was on a minute. was like, hold on a minute. you've eight thousands of you've got eight thousands of people flooding across at least hundreds thousands people. hundreds of thousands of people. yeah flooding across at least three, potentially four eu countries to get to that channel border to get in those boats to come here. yeah why are you not sort of looking controlling them rather someone that wants rather than someone that wants to go to benidorm for two weeks? >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> yeah. i mean, i think there are two different issues. i think we've to be clear. think we've got to be clear. >> there's migration of >> there's no migration of people. same thing, people. this is the same thing, surely? sure. >> also think the eu in >> but i also think the eu in particular, regardless of ideology and obviously has one, but particular does but the eu in particular does like massively bureaucratic but the eu in particular does like basedyely bureaucratic but the eu in particular does like based scheme�*aucratic but the eu in particular does like based scheme ofcratic but the eu in particular does like based scheme of paperwork. paper based scheme of paperwork. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and you see that with

everything that's going on in northern people northern ireland and people running small businesses, i think brexit or not, there'll always be another paper based, complex bureaucratic like eu administration because that's just how it operates . it's kind just how it operates. it's kind of quasi managerial, except it is completely fundamentally flawed when they're letting in hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants and not enforcing their borders at the point of entry. >> it becomes a bit of a nonsense. the whole thing. well, we want to know what you think on this one. >> i think it's a good talking point, aren't you? i'm dawn neesom. i'm filling in for the lovely nana akua on gb news, on tv, digital radio. and in tv, on digital radio. and in just moment there been just a moment there have been a branded cruel unfair by branded cruel and unfair by refugee activists. it's we'll be looking at the home office's latest solution. we're latest solution. i think we're up four now. can't up to number four now. can't keep to our crisis keep up to our migrant crisis tent and marquees. don't go tent and marquees. don't dare go anywhere. your anywhere. that's after your weather . weather. >> warm feeling inside from >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news.

weather on. gb news. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your latest gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. you might be hoping for a change of type in our weather over the next few days, it is unfortunately days, but it is unfortunately looking to remain relatively unsettled. this area of low pressure throughout rest of pressure throughout the rest of sunday be pushing in sunday is going to be pushing in from these from the atlantic with these weather fronts already providing rain england, rain into south—west england, some wales, some heavier bursts for wales, northern on into northern ireland later on into northern southeast northern england. southeast england damp england also turning fairly damp and grey well. the breeze and grey as well. the breeze will be building particularly and grey as well. the breeze will balongding particularly and grey as well. the breeze will balong some articularly and grey as well. the breeze will balong some coastal'ly and grey as well. the breeze will balong some coastal areas. gusty along some coastal areas. the rain gradually pushing its way into scotland overnight, but the north of scotland should the far north of scotland should stay with some clear stay largely dry with some clear intervals turning intervals and actually turning relatively underneath intervals and actually turning relati\clear underneath intervals and actually turning relati\clear skiesinderneath intervals and actually turning relati\clear skies down eath intervals and actually turning relati\clear skies down to h intervals and actually turning relati\clear skies down to as low those clear skies down to as low as five degrees celsius in some rural villages . but elsewhere it rural villages. but elsewhere it will much milder and humid rural villages. but elsewhere it will to much milder and humid rural villages. but elsewhere it will to mondaymilder and humid rural villages. but elsewhere it will to monday morning|d humid rural villages. but elsewhere it will to monday morning .i humid start to monday morning. outbreaks of rain still continuing across the channel islands, southern coast of england and a few brighter spells to develop into spells trying to develop into the it might the afternoon. so it might actually touch actually make it feel a touch warmer on compared to warmer on monday compared to sunday parts of wales, sunday for parts of wales, southwest but still southwest england, but still with at times as

with showers around at times as the rain that will progress its way scotland, though it way into scotland, though it will make feel will probably make it feel rather compared to sunday rather cooler compared to sunday here. temperatures ranging between and 22 c. some of between 17 and 22 c. some of those showers and outbreaks of rain will still be lingering. first thing on tuesday morning. potentially quite heavy for parts wales, southern england potentially quite heavy for pfirst wales, southern england potentially quite heavy for pfirst thing,es, southern england potentially quite heavy for pfirst thing, butsouthern england potentially quite heavy for pfirst thing, but authern england potentially quite heavy for pfirst thing, but a few rn england , first thing, but a few brighter, sunnier spells once again develop in again trying to develop in there. bit sunshine there. so a bit more sunshine compared in general, compared to monday in general, but wet and windy but further wet and windy weather on cards, weather is on the cards, particularly as we towards particularly as we head towards wednesday. the rest wednesday. enjoy the rest of your bye . your day. bye bye. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. good weather on. gb news. good afternoon . afternoon. >> soon you're with dawn neesom on gb news on your tv and on digital radio. now with front page warnings today of energy pnces page warnings today of energy prices set to soar again this winter, and the net zero push in full swing can we really afford to be so sustainable all? we'll be debating that next with ben

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welcome back. i'm dawn neesom filling in for nana akua on gb news on tv and on digital radio. now, according to reports , it's now, according to reports, it's plans to move 2000 migrants into riff scampton in lincolnshire have been delayed until october. this comes after the government acknowledged that it has brought

enough marquees to house 2000 migrants on disused military bases. migrants on disused military bases . but refugee charities bases. but refugee charities have called the plan cruel, and labour's shadow home secretary, yvette cooper, says it shows the home office is what's her word, flailing around. i think she actually might have a point on that one. it's a tough topic and i know evokes really passionate debate. so i'm going to have some here right now. joining me again is ben habib and peter edwards, who . peter, we're going edwards, who. peter, we're going to come to you first on this one. migrant marquees. what do you think of this policy ? we've you think of this policy? we've had boats. we've had rwanda . it had boats. we've had rwanda. it had boats. we've had rwanda. it had to come to tents eventually i >> -- >> well, as you might say, we've not had rwanda because we've had announcement announcements. >> had announcements. the >> we've had announcements. the number sent to rwanda number of people sent to rwanda last was zero. last year was zero. >> the number of people sent to rwanda. criticising the rwanda. no, i'm criticising the government, know, that's fine. >> that's fine. just picky. the number people sent rwanda number of people sent to rwanda this was zero. in fact, this year was zero. in fact, we've more home secretaries we've had more home secretaries than had sent to than we've had people sent to rwanda. my point. i love that. >> so will the marquees happen?

ihope >> so will the marquees happen? i hope not. i don't think it's a good policy at all. you know, manston processing site, there were several outbreaks of disease . so for reasons of that disease. so for reasons of that and the british weather and just treating people with humanity, i don't want to see migrants housed in tents, but will it even happen? >> well, i mean, we've brought them evidently brought them evidently they've brought them evidently they've brought them ireland does them already. now, ireland does house tents the house migrants in tents at the moment. can't we paying moment. and we can't we paying £6 million a day to point £2 billion a year to house migrants in hotels. i'm not having a go at them. it's not their fault. but we surely tents for a temporary measure has to have some merit to it. >> doesn't it feel a bit dehumanising ? and isn't it also dehumanising? and isn't it also just a sign of the kind of crumbling ideas and infrastructure of the british state we're resorting infrastructure of the british stithis? we're resorting to this? >> ben well, i mean, i think tents is a better option than five hotels in belgravia . five star hotels in belgravia. >> you know, the affront to the british people of putting up those who enter our country illegally , crossing the channel, illegally, crossing the channel, breaking the law , being treated breaking the law, being treated with, you say, greater warmth

with, as you say, greater warmth and generosity than our own vets and generosity than our own vets and our own destitute and people who have been left behind in which the social welfare safety net hasn't caught. just to say homelessness in the uk is at a 25 year high. >> yeah, well, there you go. >> yeah, well, there you go. >> you know, so to be putting these people up in hotels in pimlico is an affront to the british people. and i do think the tents will happen because we've no option. the barges we've got no option. the barges is option solution as well is a no option solution as well . taking over raf wethersfield and scampton, no option , what and scampton, no option, what are you going to do? you've got to put these people somewhere and they're coming in faster than we can house them. the barge 500 people off the court off the coast of portsmouth. i mean, only only, only is one day's intake of illegal crossings. >> border force predict the next three months will be the busiest for channel crossings. 45,755 arrived last year. 51% of them in august , arrived last year. 51% of them in august, september and october. so we're expecting, provided the weather stays

relatively calm, a huge influx. so what do we do with them, peter? well the government don't know. >> and although i don't want to see people putting barges or central under or in tents pick up on the point ben made that even if the tent scheme gets off the ground, then it will house one day's worth of migrants so that that's barely even as horrible as an idea. it is. it's also not even an effective sticking plaster . sticking plaster. >> i mean, what the government has do and what i've said a has to do and what i've said a few times on this programme before is use the international law that we already at our law that we already have at our disposal , which every nation disposal, which every nation state possesses , which is the state possesses, which is the right to enforce its borders under the un convention of law of the sea, we have the right to stop these boats in the channel and require them to turn round and require them to turn round and go back to france, refuse them physically if necessary , them physically if necessary, free entry into british waters . free entry into british waters. it's very simple. you have to do that once or twice and they will stop coming and there's no echr no european convention of human rights, no european court of human that can get in the

human rights that can get in the way. no lefty lawyers in the uk that appeal that. is us that can appeal that. that is us just enforcing borders. just enforcing our borders. that's has to start. that's where it has to start. the enforcement border the enforcement of border control has to mean what border control has to mean what border control says . control says. >> you make of that? >> what do you make of that? turn back. turn them back. >> i don't think having confrontations at sea with migrants is a good idea. i don't think it's safe at all. labour's got a five point plan. i might not be able to remember it all, but essentially they say labour can't either. they said i can't either. they said they i think cooper will because think yvette cooper will because she's that portfolio for she's been in that portfolio for several an expert. several years and is an expert. labour said they'd spend the rwanda which got rwanda money, which hasn't got off ground intervening in off the ground to intervening in the countries , some are the countries, some of which are war torn which the migrants the countries, some of which are war tarrived. which the migrants the countries, some of which are war tarrived. and ch the migrants the countries, some of which are war tarrived. and theye migrants the countries, some of which are war tarrived. and they alsogrants the countries, some of which are war tarrived. and they also want. have arrived. and they also want to new kind of migration to have a new kind of migration task force to cut through the backlog . so labour want to get backlog. so labour want to get rid the hotel as well. rid of the hotel usage as well. they also want to have how are they going to do that again? >> well, through these different measures. >> so i hate this phrase, but cutting at source, i.e. cutting off at source, i.e. fewer getting on a boat fewer people getting on a boat in by in the first place by intervening in other parts of the provide support

the to world provide support through spending. through development spending. also closer cooperation with france, something france, which is something labour since about labour said probably since about 2016 and then pretty soon belatedly , how many millions belatedly, how many millions have we paid? >> we paid france three years ago. we france 50 million. ago. we paid france 50 million. two ago, 55 million last two years ago, 55 million last yean two years ago, 55 million last year, 63 million. now we've committed billion over committed to half a billion over the three years. we the next three years. we couldn't get any more friendlier to france. the fact is we're rewarding behaviour . the rewarding bad behaviour. the more give the more money we give them, the worse problem because worse the problem gets because they bigger the they know the bigger the problem, more pay problem, the more we'll pay them. a self—reinforcing them. it's a self—reinforcing doom what we've got to do doom loop. what we've got to do is to france. got is stand up to france. we've got to develop political will to develop the political will required international to develop the political will reqland international to develop the political will reqland stop international to develop the political will reqland stop people 1ational to develop the political will reqland stop people in ional to develop the political will reqland stop people in theil law and stop people in the channel. this nonsense of a five point which can't even point plan, which you can't even remember. peter actually, evidence . the evidence is fundamental. the foundational issues here. no one can cope with what is happening once they've landed on british shores. we've got to stop the problem before it becomes a problem. >> quick response. is >> so quick response. ben is going to explode. offered us. going to explode. he offered us. >> he often personalises it. i don't think having a confrontation . confrontation. >> nothing do with personal >> nothing to do with personal personality. interrupting. >> nothing to do with personal personalinterruptingerrupting.

>> nothing to do with personal personalinterrupting .rupting. >> nothing to do with personal personalinterrupting . i pting. >> nothing to do with personal personalinterrupting . i don't >> stop interrupting. i don't think having a confrontation at sea with migrants. let alone in the middle of the night when freezing water is to going help anyone, you turn them back to france. >> it's international law and it's our right and indeed it's our government's obligation. as far i'm concerned . far as i'm concerned. >> okay. unfortunately, >> okay. well, unfortunately, i have you both back on have to turn you both back on this i've run out this one, because i've run out of blimey, that was of time. blimey, that was feisty, it? but let us feisty, wasn't it? but let us know you think about what know what you think about what you write you think. remember, write you're neesom on you're with me. dawn neesom on gb news on tv and digital ray radio. after the break, we'll continue head continue our head to head getting don't getting brief, feisty. you don't want one. and want to miss this one. and you'll hear the thoughts of my panel again, possibly quite loudly. that's ben habib and peter still to come peter edwards. and still to come today show, two days today in the show, two days outside tell who outside guest can't tell you who we'll carry on waiting. we'll have to carry on waiting. she's familiar face on all our she's a familiar face on all our tvs with a long and varied career in the entertainment world and some great secrets to tell us. stay tuned. all that will be revealed. but first, it's the latest headlines with the lovely sanchez .

the lovely tatiana sanchez. >> dawn, thank you very much and good afternoon. this is the latest from the newsroom. former home secretary dame priti patel has told gb news the government needs to clamp down on lefty lawyers to stop illegal migration. she says the attorney general and lord chancellor need to take action over how law firms behave. that says the number of channel crossings continue to climb , with more continue to climb, with more than 14,700 people intercepted in small boats so far this year. dame priti warns the clock is ticking for the government to implement its new illegal migration bill. the energy and security secretary says he and his family have struggled to open accounts at major banks in the wake of the nigel farage row . grant shapps told the sun the problem stems from being a politically exposed person, and he accused banks of going too far. it comes as mr farage launched a new website to help people who, like him have had their bank accounts forcibly closed . the prime minister is

closed. the prime minister is ordering a review into the rollout of low traffic neighbourhoods . the scheme, neighbourhoods. the scheme, which has been used by councils to stop drivers cutting through residential areas, has been seen by some as an attack on motorists in an interview with the sunday telegraph , rishi the sunday telegraph, rishi sunak said he supports people's right to use their cars to do all the things that matter to them. you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website at gbnews.com. now it's back to dawn . back to dawn. >> thank you , tatiana. still to >> thank you, tatiana. still to come, despite our best intentions in wanting more sustainable world energy , bills sustainable world energy, bills are set to soar. and the reality of net zero becoming clearer. can we actually afford to be sustainable ? all .

welcome back. you're with dawn neesom filling in for nana akua on gb news and on digital radio. now lots of you have been getting in touch. hardly surprising after that. very feisty debate and you need to catch up on that one if you missed it. very feisty, right? so read of out, so let's read some of these out, shall we? hello, dawn. ben is so right. turn them around. that's the the channel, by

the migrants on the channel, by the migrants on the channel, by the and send them back the way. and i'd send them back to france. peter not live to france. peter does not live in real world. we need to in the real world. we need to look after own first. look after our own first. charity begins at home, basically. meanwhile, william says can't we have ben says dawn, why can't we have ben in charge? the right in charge? he's got the right solution to the problem. high praise meanwhile, praise indeed, ben. meanwhile, ross , oh, peter, you should ross says, oh, peter, you should be in charge instead . peter is be in charge instead. peter is right. can't leave human right. we can't leave human beings in the middle beings stranded in the middle of the ocean. well, it's technically the channel, i technically the channel, but i mean, i get the point. and actually, one wants actually, yeah, no one wants to see suffer. the see anyone suffer. it's the people smugglers. we need to be getting angry with, isn't it? to be honest with you, right now, we it's a new kind of we move on. it's a new kind of bipartisan party in ship sweeping across our politics, uniting some of the most unlikely political alliances . unlikely political alliances. net zero. and with more warnings today of energy bills potentially soaring come winter, you knew it's going to happen, didn't you? the intervention in this debate couldn't be more important. you remember it began earlier this week when former prime minister tony blair warned over net zero that the public

must be spared the huge burden in the policy's costs. and now today , in an article for the today, in an article for the sunday telegraph, former chancellor under theresa may, lord hammond, see what i mean? different, different political voices. but the same opinion has added his $0.02. lord hammond told the telegraph. successive conservative prime ministers have been system tactically dishonest with the public, and lord hammond says it will cost about £1 trillion achieving net zero. and we are not actually being told the truth by any political party. he described the affliction as a cross party disease of politicians, not being straight with the voters who'd have thought? a. so what does all this mean? clean air sustainability and caring for the environment are all noble causes. the environment are all noble causes . we all want that. we all causes. we all want that. we all want the planet survive. we all want the planet survive. we all want clean air to breathe. but the bottom line is, can we actually afford them? so let's turn to our panel again now . turn to our panel again now. they are remarkably still here, haven't other haven't killed each other ehhen haven't killed each other either. former brexit party mep ben habib and former editor of

the labourlist, peter edwards . the labourlist, peter edwards. peter, i'm going to come to you . down to this , . it all boils down to this, doesn't it? i mean, you've got you know, you've got grandees on the party and on the the labour party and on the conservative saying net conservative party saying net zero is we basically can't afford it. tony blair saying stop punishing the british taxpayers. we need to work with china to sort this problem out. and the conservatives saying, well, we're being lied to about it. >> well, tony blair and lord hammond different things. hammond said different things. i mean, hammond, fellow mean, lord hammond, my fellow essex , has got a blimmin essex man, has got a blimmin cheek saying the tory government got he was in the got it wrong when he was in the tory government. got it wrong when he was in the ton he)vernment. got it wrong when he was in the ton he was|ment. got it wrong when he was in the ton he was|merfor nine years. >> he was top for nine years. >> he was top for nine years. >> so he's got that one >> i think so he's got that one wrong, but he's essentially saying it's cost too much. tony blair made a slightly different point, which i've got some sympathy for, which was, however much britain does, however good or however expensive or or bad and however expensive or otherwise is, its relatively little compared to china. and i think the last i had was it's building of one building the equivalent of one coal power station every coal fired power station every day. that's an average. it may not be actually building literally as in a year,

literally as we speak in a year, but when i'm at home scrubbing out tins of tuna sticking out tins of tuna and sticking my newspapers at 10 pm. newspapers in the bin at 10 pm. and then china's up and then china's putting up power tony blair is power stations, tony blair is right say that britain's right to say that britain's doing a bit less in relative terms to the colossal negative impact that carried out by china. >> yeah, absolutely . i must >> yeah, absolutely. i must admit i actually found myself completely in agreement with tony one, which tony blair on this one, which i think possibly is a first in some areas. i'd be very careful about falling for what tony blair about falling for what tony blayou we coming into >> you know, we are coming into a general election, of course. >> absolutely. >> no, absolutely. >> no, absolutely. >> was tony blair brought >> it was tony blair who brought in the climate act 2008, which started process to be started this whole process to be fair philip hammond, i fairto philip hammond, i completely the way, completely agree. by the way, it's remarkable rare occasion. it's a remarkable rare occasion. i agree with the i completely agree with the points made by peter, including philip hammond being at the top of tory for a long of the tory party for a long time. to be fair to philip time. but to be fair to philip hammond, when theresa may brought that policy, when she made that we would get made the law, that we would get to 2050, he was to net zero by 2050, he was vocal against it and he predicted at the time that it would cost over £1 trillion. it was her parting malicious bit of

legislation that she did as she left. >> this was 2019, 2019. >> this was 2019, 2019. >> she'd already been told she was, you know, she had to leave and she'd already resigned. and the cost and what we've got really wrong , dawn, with our net really wrong, dawn, with our net zero, our drive to net zero, what we've got really wrong is we've turned our back on fossil fuels. we entered into an agreement for transitioning away from the north sea before we developed the renewables that could allow us to make that journey cost effectively and if you look at the way the us has done it, they have become for the first time after many, many decades, they've become the biggest producer of oil and gas in the world. they're now a net exporter , not a net importer, exporter, not a net importer, completely energy independent. having made sure that their energy needs are secure, they've now launched the biggest funding for fighting what they call the climate crisis. i don't want to get into a debate about whether

or not we're in a climate crisis . the fact is they've funded the biggest programme for fighting the climate crisis $370 billion. but they've done it from a position of strength where emasculating our economy in the pursuit of net zero, they got their economies sorted out and then they are now going to pursue net zero. and it's a very different approach , which i different approach, which i think as the recent by—election proved with the ulez, it was almost a referendum on ulez, wasn't it, that basically did sort of like give you a small picture of what people feel about the green issues. >> i mean, while we all want them, can we afford them now? rishi sunak tomorrow is announcing the acorn project in aberdeen shire, which is a multi—million pound funding for carbon capture projects in scotland. so basically we carry on drilling for oil and gas in the north sea, but we capture the north sea, but we capture the carbon that produces and either reuse it or store it so it becomes a green energy. now labour support carbon capture,

but won't stop oil licences in the north sea and the snp are against it. so it's probably potentially a way of catching votes. now every time we talk about this subject, peter, we keep coming the fact keep coming back to the fact that are in the run up to an that we are in the run up to an election in so talking of hot air, do we take everything we're reading, whether it's from tony blair or rishi blair or lord hammond or rishi sunak tomorrow carbon sunak tomorrow about carbon capture simply hot air, about capture as simply hot air, about getting our votes? >> well, i'm trying to produce as much hot air as i can, constantly for years. so. so i'm doing bit . i constantly for years. so. so i'm doing bit. i think i was very doing my bit. i think i was very interested in the rishi sunak announcement on carbon capture and storage because that's important, but that's quite an academic thing. academic technical thing. you don't see that splashing don't often see that splashing a sunday newspaper. no, it's for the you the reason exactly. you described are a described that there are a lot of votes wrapped in this. of of votes wrapped up in this. of course, it's important environmentally and economically. parts economically. but in some parts of we get into the of scotland, as we get into the running general we running general election, we could three way fight could be in a three way fight between snp who look between the snp who look knackered. rishi sunak has this quote narrow path to quote unquote narrow path to victory aides often victory that his aides often brief and then labour's had brief out. and then labour's had

a commitments on a lot of commitments on renewables. some of which have evolved. we might say politely. i think there's a u—turn, isn't it? >> basically, i think it's a partial u—turn. yeah. 2026 billion. >> very briefly, they've done two things. they're going to stick with the £28 billion on green spending, but ramp up to that. but then they've got a separate policy about kerbing the oil fields, the number of oil fields, and that's north scotland issue that's a north of scotland issue and that's exactly the north of scotland rishi sunak thing scotland that rishi sunak thing on capture storage is on carbon capture and storage is happening well. there happening as well. so there are votes grabs. votes up for grabs. >> so do we. do we think carbon capture idea? capture is a good idea? >> well, can't be a bad idea, >> well, it can't be a bad idea, but you that's going to but you know, that's going to cost millions. >> and pays for it? >> and who pays for it? >> and who pays for it? >> yeah, but you've to look >> yeah, but you've got to look at panoply of the policies at the panoply of the policies that brought forward that are being brought forward and individual ones. and not look at individual ones. and i think fundamentally, we've got whole approach got our whole approach wrong. as i know, need i mentioned, you know, we need to make ourselves energy secure, and happen either by and that can happen either by using our using natural resources at our disposal building nuclear disposal or by building nuclear power time we power stations. last time we built power station built a nuclear power station in this country was 1995, you know, and the have and one thing the french have got right by going for

got really right is by going for nuclear power. and one thing germany's wrong and you germany's got very wrong and you can blame at angela can put the blame at angela merkel's door turning her merkel's door was turning her back on and we're at sixes back on it. and we're at sixes and sevens on policy. so we're not gas from the not extracting gas from the north we're north sea at the moment. we're importing at vast cost, vast importing it at vast cost, vast increased emissions increased carbon emissions because the footprint because of the footprint of export from the us. we're taking in, you know , lng from the us in, you know, lng from the us and we're going to have an issue this winter. of we're this winter. of course we're going an this going to have an issue this winter and we need to get ahead of this problem. we need a joined up energy policy urgently, one that delivers for the voter, for the the british voter, for the working class you know, first the british voter, for the woriforemost, you know, first the british voter, for the woriforemost, well,| know, first the british voter, for the woriforemost, well, thisyw, first the british voter, for the woriforemost, well, this is first the british voter, for the woriforemost, well, this is thet and foremost, well, this is the thing, isn't it, peter? >> it does seem to be the working class in inverted commas, because no one's quite sure what the working class actually is. that suffering actually is. that are suffering is that are already is the people that are already dodi, know, counting their dodi, you know, counting their pennies energy pennies to pay their energy bills, worried about sort of like, you know, ulez, you like, you know, the ulez, you know, emission zones know, ultra low emission zones in , not london we're in cities, not just london we're talking is it? talking about here. is it? >> a tax on the working >> that's a tax on the working class that is a straight tax on the working class. >> that's why was just going

>> that's why i was just going to say, peter, mean, know, to say, peter, i mean, you know, you from the left and you are from the left and laboun you are from the left and labour. you think that it is labour. do you think that it is the class is labour's the working class is labour's traditional are traditional voters that are going suffer more this? going to suffer more with this? >> i think inflation hits >> well, i think inflation hits everyone. over everyone. we've seen that over the last year or two. some of the last year or two. some of the green levies, i think any new charge, whether it's the inflation on food or a tax, is going to hit a poorer household more because they'll have less disposable income. so it's a worry and keir starmer, i think, has been very clear they're not going to do any more green levy announcements for exactly that. the cost of living is probably going number one issue going to be the number one issue going to be the number one issue going general election, going to the general election, but a quick question. but may oppose a quick question. i got topics, i know we've got other topics, but which what are we going but which is what are we going to do? fossil fuels running out solar power. it's sunny solar power. it's not sunny enough. don't enough. wind power, you don't know is going to know when the wind is going to stop blowing fracking. well, we don't live in arizona trying. fracking in suffolk a fracking in suffolk is a bit different. to different. what are we going to do? well, this is the question that no one seems. >> well, there's more gas >> well, there's a lot more gas and in the north sea. and

and oil in the north sea. and yes, frack and yes, we yes, we can frack and yes, we should building nuclear power should be building nuclear power stations. not not monster nuclear stations, which stations. not not monster nuc151r stations, which stations. not not monster nuc151r in stations, which stations. not not monster nuc151r in genesis which stations. not not monster nuc151r in genesis ,nhich stations. not not monster nuc151r in genesis , buth are 15 years in genesis, but those modular ones which can be built in a couple of years . and built in a couple of years. and we need we need a proper energy policy which goes beyond the overton window, which goes beyond the 24 hour news cycle, which actually has joined up thinking, which goes from 1—1 government to the next. so the labour party, if they become the next government that can inherit, inherit something positive, what actually positive, what we've actually got is a reaction to this, this ideological . commitment to net ideological. commitment to net zero ahead of having the technology ready to do it in an economically sensible way. and there is, by the way, just last point, there is nothing more inflationary than the drive towards net net zero. the regulations around net zero, the additional cost imposed on the british working classes is vast by comparison to any other individual policy that the government has come up with . government has come up with. >> so i mean, oh god , this is it

>> so i mean, oh god, this is it is a mess , isn't it? it is is a mess, isn't it? it is a complete mess. but i think the one thing, peter, we've got to be careful is that as ben pointed out, we don't rely on other countries. a, it's not green. and you could be in a situation like germany where you're dependent on russia . you're dependent on russia. >> is a problem >> well, this is a problem across british across several areas of british society. look at food, society. when you look at food, where comes from, even where grain comes from, even when at owns public when you look at who owns public transport and this probably predates me, but britain doesn't make as much as of own stuff make as much as of its own stuff as used to, whether that's as it used to, whether that's transport or food or energy, we become rely on other countries. >> the main one, and >> china being the main one, and then sometimes the other countries like russia, do wicked then sometimes the other countrilike ke russia, do wicked then sometimes the other countrilike mrrussia, do wicked then sometimes the other countrilike mr putin. do wicked things like mr putin. >> we have no grudge with the russian people, but a wicked government. but then also the pnces government. but then also the prices go and you cede prices go up. and once you cede control your kind control all over your kind of means production, which sorry means of production, which sorry for bit left wing, for sounding a bit left wing, you become that's what you have. you insecure, don't you? you become insecure, don't you? yeah. the prices up yeah. and then the prices go up and please don't put and you say, please don't put the up to country, the prices up to other country, but left pleading. aren't but you're left pleading. aren't you impotent? >> to be interesting >> it's going to be interesting to who comes up with

to see who comes up with a solution for this and who your vote is going go for right vote is going to go for right now. finally, on. it's now. finally, we move on. it's a little bit of fun, but it's sort of quite serious as well. the mail on sunday, it looks like 2023 to be the year of 2023 is set to be the year of woke. starting to hate woke. and i'm starting to hate that too. sorry. forget the that word too. sorry. forget the rich list. best or worst dressed? no now it's all about who's woke and who's not. so let's a look who's this let's have a look who's on this list, shall well archbishop list, shall we? well archbishop justin is always itching justin welby is always itching to revoke his woke credentials in so he's in there? in there, so he's in there? definitely. i mean, forget his actual day job, making sure the church of england runs well, mind you. oh yeah. let me see. oh, lineker. he's already oh, gary lineker. he's already in there well, sounding off in there as well, sounding off over brexit to over everything from brexit to climate might talk climate change and might talk about football occasionally. and what about michael sheen? emily maitlis and even emma watson ? maitlis and even emma watson? they're all on that list and proving they're not missing a beat. natwest boss alison rose is a late entry. the central figure in the nigel farage banking fiasco. yep, she's in there and probably should be as

well. plenty more who've made the mouths actually amusingly so peter ben, what do you make of this? it's a bit of fun, isn't it? ben? what do you make it? >> it's a bit of fun. but as you say, there's an underlying seriousness to it and it's two steps, not not even two steps. i'd say it's one step away from the banking scandal that nigel has and has revealed. and there's a regulatory and an regulatory commitment and an ideological of profusion of ideological sort of profusion of diversity and inclusion. and the drive to net zero throughout our society. and if you don't believe in that, then you're somehow you're somehow a bad person . and you take justin. person. and you take justin. justin welby is a great example. oh, yes. he's a terrific example . so this is a man who has committed the church to £100 million worth of reparations for the slave trade . now, who is he the slave trade. now, who is he going to pay these reparations? none of the people who suffered under the slave trade are alive. this is nothing more than the church enveloping itself in this blanket of moral rectitude and

the saint paul's cathedral the other day had to take off its website at the fact that it had it had that it had turned winston churchill. yeah a white supremacist. this is the man who fought for the freedoms which allow us to sit in this studio and debate things openly. and yet we somehow allowed the church to vilify him. the dean of trinity college, cambridge , of trinity college, cambridge, came out the other day and said that jesus looked transgender to him. he had a tearful congregation. this is how far our church is sunk. and you know, when it's infected, the church , it's a real, you know , church, it's a real, you know, we're meant to be a christian country, aren't we? i can i completely miss the transgender jesus. >> i must admit. yeah, right. so this is so peter, this is broken into the church culture, sport, showbiz media law, politics, civil service, trade unions, police . but there is there is no police. but there is there is no industry or area in in life that doesn't appear to be infected by wokeism. yeah, i wouldn't use

the word infected. >> we're not talking about disease. i would say a couple of things. so first of all, the list, the list could also be called all the people that the mail on sunday disagrees with. and just putting the word woke on it. >> that's a fair point , too. >> that's a fair point, too. >> that's a fair point, too. >> i would also defend role >> i would also defend the role of and the church of the church. and the church makes like we all do. makes mistakes like we all do. but it's absolutely the role of the church causes that the church to defend causes that are that are unfashionable, people that are unfashionable, people that are groups that are oppressed and groups that have discrimination . an have suffered discrimination. an and church is the and obviously the church is the first to admit the church has tolerated racism in the past . i tolerated racism in the past. i hope that is on a rapidly downward scale. but the church has been about admitting has been open about admitting its mistakes, a its own mistakes, which is a good say one other good thing. let me say one other point about, and it's not about woke, is about the bbc woke, but it is about the bbc and gary lineker. i think gary lineker i'm probably the same lineker i'm probably on the same page as him, a lot of his views. but point is pay is too but the point is the pay is too high. that's my biggest beef with gary lineker. the pay is far, too high for presenting football. >> yeah, it does do a good job of presenting football . a big of presenting football. a big fan style, so fan of his sporting style, so okay. my favourite one on

okay. okay. my favourite one on here assistant here is the assistant commissioner metropolitan commissioner of the metropolitan police during menopause police who during menopause awareness month . this quite awareness month. this is quite important age. he important to ladies my age. he actually a menopause vest actually wore a menopause vest with heated pads on, so he could understand what women were going through. mate, just may. that's to borrow sadiq khan's faith, mate. just. just just nick some criminals, possibly . criminals, possibly. >> yeah, exactly. >> yeah, exactly. >> better idea . we're just very >> better idea. we're just very finally. quickly i mean, is there someone you would see added to this? i know you don't agree with it, but someone you personally would add to this list ? list? >> no, % i mean, not >> no, but i mean, i'm not bothered about being woke if i'm called woke, i don't i don't really care. it's a compliment to not criticism. to me. it's not a criticism. >> yeah, well, i mean, i think woke serious issue in woke is a very serious issue in our society. i know easy to our society. i know it's easy to roll your eyes at it, but if you can't define what a woman is, if you can't, if you can't understand that actually british history is something to be proud of, ashamed of. if you of, not to be ashamed of. if you can't understand that paying reparations of reparations to a generation of people that died a couple of hundred ago pointless. hundred years ago is pointless. if get your head

if you can't get your head around these basic facts. essentially happening is essentially what's happening is society by riddick. society is being by riddick. riddick in the riddick theories in in the pursuit of moral rectitude and it's got to stop. so who would i add to the list? i'd add keir starmer. he said 99% of or he's already on to this probably. i think he's on there on the list. okay. you're going to you're going say the p—word, aren't you? >> i've never used the p word more in entire life than more in my entire life than i have over the last few months. and if you don't know what p word i'm talking to, you're probably living under a stone. in case, with dawn in any case, you're with dawn neesom news on and neesom on gb news on tv and digital lots still digital radio. lots more still to first, a huge thank to come. but first, a huge thank you to peter edwards, former editor of the labourlist. thank you much joining you very much for joining me. and ben habib, former brexit party i hope you're going party mep. i hope you're going to bit of a group to go and have a bit of a group hug now. hug outside now. >> have group hug. yeah, >> we'll have a group hug. yeah, please do. >> right. still to come, we will be discussing the police forces pledging investigate pledging to investigate every low have low level offence. what have they doing now they been doing till now with former yard detective they been doing till now with formebleksley? yard detective they been doing till now with formebleksley? first, detective they been doing till now with formebleksley? first, it'sective they been doing till now with formebleksley? first, it's thee peter bleksley? first, it's the weather. doing out weather. what's it doing out there right now? >> looks like things are heating

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gb news. >> hello and welcome to sunday afternoon gb news on tv and on your digital radio. i'm dawn neesom . i'm standing in for nana neesom. i'm standing in for nana akua and for the next two hours, me and my wonderful panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion, though. mind. there's and yours, more importantly, yours. that's the most important one. we'll be debating discussing at debating and discussing and at times disagreeing in a nice way.

joining me today is author and broadcaster christine hamilton and broadcaster and columnist danny kelly. but before we get started, let's get the latest news headlines with tatiana sanchez. >> dawn, thank you and good afternoon . it's 4:01. this is afternoon. it's 4:01. this is the latest former home secretary, dame priti patel has told gb news the government needs to clamp down on leftie lawyers to stop illegal migration. she says the attorney general and lord chancellor need to take action over how law firms behave . that's as the firms behave. that's as the number of channel crossings continues to climb with more than 14,700 people intercepted in small boats so far this year. dame priti warns the clock is ticking for the government to implement its new illegal migration bill >> we need a deterrent factor for a start and removals and returns. my rwanda plan was central to that. the returns agreements that i have put in

place and others are now putting in place. we have to get planes leaving the country and show that if you come here illegally , you can't just get a free pass . being firm is actually the stance that we should take, and that means removing people and returning to other third returning people to other third countries or country of origin , countries or country of origin, says dame. >> pretty . also spoke to camilla >> pretty. also spoke to camilla tominey about the net zero target, saying the government needs to press pause on the 2050 climate goal . climate goal. >> public are not ready for this. and importantly , we cannot this. and importantly, we cannot just have this state, the government at central government just sort of saying across again, institutions, local councils, county councils, this these are the targets that you have to meet when we don't have the technology , we're not ready. the technology, we're not ready. now, if we want a sensible conversation about climate and the impact of climate change, recognising there are problems is one thing, absolutely. but making sure that we have the tools and the ability that doesn't impose costs and taxes on ordinary people, the energy and security secretary says he

and security secretary says he and his family have struggled to open accounts at major banks in the wake of the nigel farage rao grant shapps told the sun the problem stems from being a politically exposed person , and politically exposed person, and he accused banks of too going far. >> it comes as mr farage launched a new website to help people who, like him, have had their bank accounts forcibly closed . the gb news presenter closed. the gb news presenter says a thousand accounts are being shut every day. >> i've learned in the >> what i've learned in the three weeks since i came out, as it were , i've just been it were, i've just been inundated by small businesses , inundated by small businesses, by folk all around the country , by folk all around the country, people in absolute fear. terror lies is being ruined. thousands of businesses are being closed. >> the prime minister is ordering a review into the rollout of low traffic neighbourhoods. the scheme, which has been used by councils to stop drivers cutting through residential areas , has been seen residential areas, has been seen by some as an attack on motorists. in an interview with the sunday telegraph, rishi sunak said he supports people's

right to use their cars to do all the things that matter to them. shadow international trade secretary nick thomas—symonds says the prime minister should leave the decision to local areas . areas. >> our position is that it is for communities to make these decisions, whether it is in terms of low traffic neighbourhoods where by the way, there are communities up and down the country who want to reduce traffic going through their neighbourhoods , whether it their neighbourhoods, whether it is in terms of, you know , clean is in terms of, you know, clean air zones. we've talked obviously specifically about ulez . yes, we certainly believe ulez. yes, we certainly believe a well—planned low traffic neighbourhood is a good thing. >> the hs2 programme has been given a red rating by the infrastructure watchdog . it infrastructure watchdog. it believes the timetable for construction of the first two phases of the rail line, from london to birmingham and then on to crewe are unachievable . the to crewe are unachievable. the ipa's annual report, which follows the resignation of chief executive mark thurston cites, says major issues with the

schedule and budget. hs2 was initially slated to open in 2026, but this has now been delayed up to seven years. you're with gb news. we'll bring you more as it happens. now it's back to dawn . back to dawn. >> thank you , tatiana. now, >> thank you, tatiana. now, before we get stuck into everything, here's what else is coming up on today's brilliant show in just a moment, i'll be joined by former scotland yard detective peter bleksley to discuss the astonishing i'm sorry, i'm still in shock over this revelation that the police will now investigate crime. here to thought. meanwhile, dog owners beware. it's a disturbing new trend highlighted this week after the dognapping of that really cute little dog. twiglet remember, we've all seen that, haven't we? caught on camera as it was from its owner's it was stolen from its owner's homes. luckily, they were reunited, we'll be

reunited, but we'll be discussing how to protect your pets in just moment. and for pets in just a moment. and for the great british this the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour, asking , have our hour, i am asking, have our politicians declared war on motorists? and then at 450, its worldview. we're ahead to america to get the latest on the charges awaiting donald trump in the mar a lago docs scandal. and it's not just trump . with the it's not just trump. with the pressure ramping up on hunter biden , too. and then a five, biden, too. and then a five, it's this week's outsider actress , singer and entertainer actress, singer and entertainer and british legend . carry on and and british legend. carry on and keep guessing. can't tell you who, but stay tuned to be a great one. she's been forming since it was the age of three and a love of figure skater ing. any more clues coming up there has helped her career. stay tuned and all will be revealed very . soon tuned and all will be revealed very. soon right. tuned and all will be revealed very . soon right . stay with me very. soon right. stay with me because it's going to be great. she's a great guest as well right now. coming up in the next houn right now. coming up in the next hour, tell me what you think on

everything we're discussing by emailing or emailing gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet news. now now, tweet me at gb news. now now, police forces have pledged to investigate every low level offence in a bid to tackle the scourge of crime across the country. it's a pretty astonishing revelation . ian, astonishing revelation. ian, what were they? what were they? i mean, sorry, you're your coppers, nick crooks. i mean, what what were they not doing before ? chief constables have before? chief constables have promised to look into cases, including shoplifting as well as car and bike theft. they've essentially become decriminalised in certain communities. now joining me to discuss this, i'm really pleased is in the studio, actually, because he's excellent on this subject is former scotland yard detective peter bleksley. now peter, thank you so much for joining this afternoon. i'm joining me this afternoon. i'm really glad you're here because you so much sense on this you talk so much sense on this subject . the times yesterday had subject. the times yesterday had this . if you subject. the times yesterday had this. if you if you missed it yesterday, this is it. it's astonishing. it's one of those headunes astonishing. it's one of those headlines that really goes what it act on every crime , say it will act on every crime, say the police instant reaction is

what the hell have you been doing ? peter, what did you make doing? peter, what did you make of this? it must have really, as a former detective, this must have angered you. >> me , we could be here >> goodness me, we could be here a very time discussing this. >> first and foremost, how are they going to do it? because there are so many crimes which affect the moderate majority of britain that the police manifestly have ignored for years . and they're finally years. and they're finally waking up because i think they're listening to contributors like me and yourself on channels like this who have been saying for ages, where are the police ? what are where are the police? what are they doing? why aren't they investing, dating, burglary and other similar crimes? well, hooray , they're going to do this hooray, they're going to do this , apparently, as i say, quite how in terms of numbers , it's how in terms of numbers, it's going to be a challenge. but the commissioner of the met said that as of september, they will not attend mental health calls where unless there's a threat to life, for example. so that might

free up thousands , if not free up thousands, if not millions of police officer hours. >> this is this is the problem , >> this is this is the problem, isn't it? the police stop being a force that nick criminals basically and started being care in the community because the social care system has collapsed as well . so as you say now, this as well. so as you say now, this is this this recent announcement , this headline is based on is based on scheme greater manchester, where steve watson, the chief constable, all took the chief constable, all took the force out of special measures quickly . quickly. yeah. measures quickly. quickly. yeah. by measures quickly. quickly. yeah. by actually getting back to the bafics >> indeed . >> indeed. >> indeed. >> so that's worked and sort of like 38% increase in charges for burglary. so it seems to work . burglary. so it seems to work. >> and who would have thought it? sherlock i know that there would be a huge uptake in the amount of burglaries solved once you started actually investigating them. the police have an awful lot to answer for. they get a lot of bad press. much of it entirely justified , much of it entirely justified, not the rank and file who are out there on the front line, isn't it? yeah, the men and women , you know, yet again,

women, you know, yet again, there's more videos of heroic police work being carried out today they towards danger today. they run towards danger so that we can in our beds so that we can sleep in our beds at night . so that we can sleep in our beds at night. it's so that we can sleep in our beds at night . it's the so that we can sleep in our beds at night. it's the rank and at night. it's not the rank and file , generally speaking . it's file, generally speaking. it's those buffoons as who all trotted to off university and have got their degrees because they like letters after their names as well as in front of their names and they came back to police him with their heads full of pseudo intellect , full of pseudo intellect, claptrap, which has no real place in policing . and place in policing. and consequently they they had a disconnect not only between their frontline troops who they've used as fodder , but the they've used as fodder, but the moderate majority of britain who used to routinely fully support the police. and why ? because if the police. and why? because if they got burgled , it would be they got burgled, it would be investigated , perhaps not investigated, perhaps not solved, but at least they'd try. same with having your car stolen. same when it comes down to the local retail outlets that

we use and rely upon, like the co—op. look at all the noises coming out of the co—op. this week, slamming the police for a lack of action in thousands and thousands of cases and maybe perhaps just maybe, the police, too, thinking if we want to regain trust from the public, we've got to start investigating the crimes that affect the majority of the public instead of pandering like they've done to every minority community unity, every group, because of genden unity, every group, because of gender, faith, orientation and colour of skin, they've spent years pandering to all these people , whereas if they engage people, whereas if they engage with two community, his the first community being victims of crime and the second community city being perpetrators of crime because everyone's affected by crime of all faiths and religions, skin colour and all of that . if they did that of that. if they did that properly, all those people would say, do you know what the police

came round and dealt with my crime. they were excellent. then they get the trust back. >> i mean, there was a i heard on the radio this morning that example of the pub in essex where they sent six police officers to remove toys. they were golly dolls weren't they, to remove toys. and yet meanwhile, there was someone in the village who'd been burgled who officer who couldn't get an officer around so is this around to see them. so is this this weird sort of like, you know, the thought police rather than police? now than the actual police? now obviously, numbers fell obviously, police numbers fell from 144,000in 2010 to 117,000 in 2018. but police numbers are going back up now, from what i understand. and so we're almost level to where we were. how much of this is to do also with red tape and the amount of time the ordinary men and women on the beat have to fill in paperwork and you know, fight their way through red tape rather than doing the job many love. doing the job many of them love. >> have to say, record >> i just have to say, record numbers of police officers are leaving the job this year was the over 9000 in the highest ever, over 9000 in a single year. and many of them,

many of them just voluntary resignations because they've had enough, because the management have dumped on them from a very great height, because the workload has been overbearing because of the abuse they've received, because of the bad press, they get a lot of it brought upon themselves. mind you, of factors. you, and a number of factors. and of course, pay and pension conditions being butchered in recent years. so a policeman's lot is not a very happy one at the moment. but on the point you asked. yes there needs to be efficiencies . frontline police efficiencies. frontline police officers will tell you that some officers will tell you that some of the it systems are absolutely appalling and not fit for purpose. duplicate an a disproportionate amount of time taken to input information . and taken to input information. and quite frankly, a lot of the time it just doesn't work. the cps is forever sending memos wanting more statements and more work. and so it goes on. these things could, could and should have been addressed many, many years

ago . but when the sharp suited ago. but when the sharp suited i.t. people come in and start selling their wares to the police services, they quite metaphorically have their trousers taken down and that quite frankly, has not been good enough. i don't know why they don't get practically minded people to road test, road test, road test and get this stuff right. it is not that difficult i >> -- >> do we need >> d0 we need more >> do we need more cops >> d0 we need more cops 011 >> do we need more cops on the beat? more police stations being opened again? >> oh, numbers matter. the numbers do matter. over 600 police stations closed in recent years. and again, that affects pubuc years. and again, that affects public confidence because what do you want? you want to know who your local police officer is . you want to know his or her name . you want to know how you name. you want to know how you can in touch with them and can get in touch with them and you know where and you know where you can go and have a natter with them that just does not exist. just simply does not exist. >> but it's not a lost cause, as manchester proved. so indeed, manchester proved. so so indeed, we hope we can move on. we hope we can move on. >> we hope we can move on. >> and if this happens, then great. but please , just just as great. but please, just just as a safety note , don't hold your

a safety note, don't hold your breath. thank you. >> that's peter bleksley, former met police detective there. thank you so much for joining met police detective there. thank you so much forjoining me this afternoon. peter and hopefully all will not be lost. but don't hold your breath. oh, we to . on well, it's still we move to. on well, it's still a crime story, actually . a puppy a crime story, actually. a puppy sparked nationwide hunt after sparked a nationwide hunt after cctv footage showed the dachshund stolen by a thief posing as a delivery driver for 16 month old twiglet , one of the 16 month old twiglet, one of the cutest dogs ever. possibly was taken from jamie wendy's home in essex on wednesday day. fortunately, the family received a tip off from someone who had then paid a £700 to buy the little pet, which led it to being returned to its owners . being returned to its owners. now joining me to talk about this is co—founder of pet theft reform, debbie matthews . debbie reform, debbie matthews. debbie thank you so much for joining reform, debbie matthews. debbie thank you so much forjoining me this afternoon. lovely to see you. now debbie, this is a horrible story, but thankfully with a happy ending. we've all seen that that that video of poor little twiglet running around his owner's kitchen while

the thief grabs him and literally drags him out the house. now is this increase common dognapping? i mean, we've heard stories, but is it on the increase ? increase? >> well, we saw a huge increase dunng >> well, we saw a huge increase during the pandemic. sick pet theft seemed to be the biggest crime that was going on at the time. and we've been working for a long time to get the law changed, to make dog theft , pet changed, to make dog theft, pet theft, a specific crime, because at the moment, pets are property . so if you do get caught, you just get a very small fine. it's a low risk, high reward crime. so like this, this thief who's got £700, if he goes to court, he may only get a £250 fine, which means he's in profit. he doesn't know . what does it doesn't know. what does it matter to him ? he'll have made matter to him? he'll have made money on the deal, which is shocking. and we need to have more protection for our dogs. >> so. so. so what can we do? what protection can we get ? and what protection can we get? and what should owners be doing ? what should owners be doing? >> well, you can be careful. >> well, you can be careful. >> never leave your dog in

vulnerable places, outside shops , in cars, on walks. keep an eye on your dog and everything. but in this case, it was actually a home break in. you can actually hear the alarm going off. they actually cctv in their actually had cctv in their kitchen, which was really useful because essex police hats off to them . they got the video out and them. they got the video out and it obviously around it just obviously went around social media. everybody saw it. but i mean, with the pet theft reform campaign , it was the pet reform campaign, it was the pet abduction law was dropped in the kept animal mill bill last month . so we're trying to keep pressure on the government to keep that in place. we need it to be made law. so there is more protection for us. so if you go to our website, pet theft reform .com, we've got another petition. it's our fifth petition. it's our fifth petition and we've had to debates in parliament. we've had the pet theft task force all the work's been done. so we're just being hung out to dry at the moment. so we really need everybody to support this. >> brilliant. debbie can you just remind us again of the website where can get website where people can get information what they can

information about what they can do and how can support your do and how they can support your campaign? do and how they can support your campaign’iyes, there's an action >> again, yes, there's an action page >> again, yes, there's an action page it's on pet theft reform.com. >> brilliant. thank you very much. that is debbie matthews , much. that is debbie matthews, the co—founder of pet theft reform there, talking about twiglet, who is now reunited with his owners. but there are other dogs out there, so please actually take care and go to debbie's website and have look debbie's website and have a look about all do. now, about what we can all do. now, you're dawn standing you're with dawn neesom standing in on gb news on in for nana akua on gb news on your tv and on digital radio. still to come, it's our great british debate hour, we're british debate this hour, we're asking our politics is asking how our politics is declared war on motorists . all declared war on motorists. all that this. weather that that after this. weather that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. >> proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here of your latest gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. you might be hoping for a change of type in our weather over the next few days, but is unfortunately days, but it is unfortunately looking to remain relatively unsettled. this area of low pressure the rest of pressure throughout the rest of sunday going pushing

sunday is going to be pushing in from with these from the atlantic with these weather already providing weather fronts already providing rain england, weather fronts already providing rain heavier england, weather fronts already providing rain heavier burstsengland, weather fronts already providing rain heavier bursts forland, weather fronts already providing rain heavier bursts for wales, some heavier bursts for wales, northern on into northern ireland later on into northern . southeast northern england. southeast england turning damp england also turning fairly damp and well. the breeze and grey as well. the breeze will be building particularly gusty coastal areas. gusty along some coastal areas. the rain gradually pushing its way scotland overnight, but way into scotland overnight, but the north scotland should the far north of scotland should stay with some clear stay largely dry with some clear intervals turning intervals and actually turning relatively chilly underneath those down as those clear skies, down to as low as degrees celsius in low as five degrees celsius in some villages. but some rural villages. but elsewhere it will be much elsewhere it will be a much milder start to monday milder and humid start to monday morning. outbreaks of rain still continuing across the channel islands southern coast of england. brighter spells england. a few brighter spells trying to develop into the afternoon actually make afternoon so might actually make it touch warmer on monday it feel a touch warmer on monday compared sunday parts of compared to sunday for parts of wales, england, but wales, southwest england, but still showers at still with showers around at times, rain that will times, the rain that will progress its way into scotland , progress its way into scotland, though probably make it though it will probably make it feel rather cooler compared to sunday temperatures sunday here. temperatures ranging between 17 and 22 c in some of those showers and outbreaks of rain will still be lingering first thing on tuesday morning. potentially quite heavy

lingering first thing on tuesday mo parts potentially quite heavy lingering first thing on tuesday mo parts of ytentially quite heavy lingering first thing on tuesday mo parts of wales. ly quite heavy lingering first thing on tuesday mo parts of wales. southern eavy for parts of wales. southern england, first thing, but few england, first thing, but a few bright, sunny spells again bright, sunny spells once again trying a trying to develop in there. so a bit more compared to bit more sunshine compared to monday but further monday in general, but further wet and windy weather is on the cards, particularly head cards, particularly as we head towards the towards wednesday. enjoy the rest of your day. bye bye. >> feeling inside from >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> welcome back . you're with >> welcome back. you're with dawn neesom standing for nana akua on gb news on your tv and on digital radio. coming up, worldview will be travelling around the world getting the latest updates on what's happening, especially with donald in america. putin donald trump in america. putin in russia and the wildfires in greece . yeah, a lot greece. yeah, there's a lot going isn't there? that's up going on, isn't there? that's up next. don't go too far

hello, you're with dawn neesom on gb news on tv and on digital radio. now i'm on the side of drivers, says the prime minister, as he orders a review of low traffic neighbourhood plans designed to limit traffic in town and city centres. the department of transport will review the policies which include preventing drivers from using residential roads as through routes to encourage them to use other modes of transport. gb news reporter lisa hartle has been following this story and joins us now from hackney. lisa good afternoon. right. okay. what's going on then ? what's going on then?

>> well , so what's going on then? >> well, so we're in what's going on then? >> well , so we're in hackney, >> well, so we're in hackney, which has got the largest proportion of ltns in london, around 70% of the borough is covered. and residents here feel very strongly about this. throughout the day we've had people coming up to us telling us that they're either in favour for it or against it. so those in favour say that it's definitely before this was introduced, just behind definitely before this was introd|one, just behind definitely before this was introd|one of just behind definitely before this was introd|one of those just behind definitely before this was introd|one of those thatt behind definitely before this was introd|one of those that ifyehind definitely before this was introd|one of those that if yomd me is one of those that if you get if you drive down there and you don't live here, you don't have a permit, £60 fine. have a permit, it's a £60 fine. so say since this has been so they say since this has been brought in, the roads are much quieter, more parents taking quieter, more parents are taking their to on bikes their kids to school on bikes and kind of thing. a and that kind of thing. it's a much place to live. but much nicer place to live. but even just we on air, even just before we came on air, there a motorist who stopped there was a motorist who stopped just to say they live around the corner. since corner. and they said that since this has introduced, the this has been introduced, the congestion the outer parts congestion on the outer parts of hackney well areas hackney around well around areas where this isn't introduced, congestion so much worse. congestion is so much worse. there's been people that have been that been to talking us saying that they uber home in they can't get an uber home in they can't get an uber home in the early hours of the morning if the early hours of the morning h been the early hours of the morning if been out on a night if they've been out on a night out. say that makes it

out. so they say that makes it less safe them to go down less safe for them to go down these streets. so it really is a controversial issue. so with rishi this rishi sunak ordering this review, be interesting to review, it'll be interesting to see much difference is see how much difference it is making. is there cleaner making. is the is there cleaner throughout or is is this throughout or is there is this actually pushing the traffic from onto other from these areas onto other roads some people have roads where some people have said cars for there said that cars stay for there for longer, so therefore the pollution is even higher in those areas. however, what isn't clear moment is whether clear at the moment is whether if report is carried out by if this report is carried out by the department transport, the department of transport, whether the government whether in fact the government will able to ask the council will be able to ask the council to scrap these zones anyway . so to scrap these zones anyway. so we'll have to see what happens . we'll have to see what happens. >> thank you very much, lisa. that's our reporter lisa hartle there in hackney, which has the highest proportion of traffic controls, think in london controls, i think in london right now. it's time for the great british debate. and i'm asking have our politicians declared war on motorists to discuss this, i'm joined by former brexit party mep ben habib, former editor of labourlist peter edwards, and senior meteorologist at british

weather services, jim dale, an and a director of car 26, louis parry. thank you very much for joining me all this afternoon. now okay, so the war on motorists . okay, ben, i'm now okay, so the war on motorists. okay, ben, i'm going to come to you first. ben is there a war on motors? rishi sunak said it's not a war on motorists. he's going to support motorists. he's going to support motorists. what do you make of this? >> well, he's playing to the overton window, isn't he? of course a on course there's a war on motorists. we experience it. motorists. we all experience it. the minute fill your car up, the minute you fill your car up, the what you pay at the the 48% of what you pay at the pump straight to the pump goes straight to the exchequer. want to drive exchequer. if you want to drive into central london, it's £15. congestion charge up from £11 just couple of ago. just a couple of years ago. massive 40% increase. you massive 40% increase. if you want to drive a car that's anything older than 2015, you pay anything older than 2015, you pay £12.50, you can't get into certain parts of london because of the ltns. you can't drive more than 20 miles an hour. most roads , even park lane, which roads, even park lane, which used to flow really well. park lane used to work really well as a road. you can't get down now because multiple bike lanes , because multiple bike lanes, many of which aren't used.

there's complete on the there's a complete war on the motorist . and what i think the motorist. and what i think the politicians don't understand band actually motoring band is that actually motoring to work, motoring to places that you deliver goods and so on is a key component of economic progress and if you can't use your car and van and so on in the way that you need to, to, to, to discharge your daily legitimate business, you are constraining the economy. and i don't agree for a second. rishi sunak sps about rolling it back . he's completely committed to getting rid of petrol internal combustion engines by 2030. okay. >> right . okay. we'll come to >> right. okay. we'll come to you next. peter is there a war on the motorist or are we making a fuss about nothing here? >> i wouldn't say war, but i think rishi sunak probably main driver is. is panic over a potential loss of swing seats in the general election? we're in a position where the phasing out of and diesel cars by of petrol and diesel cars by 2030 is a conservative party of policy brought in by the conservative government and ulez so controversial in recent weeks and influence in the and had some influence in the oxford by—election ulez was a

policy brought in a london policy brought in by a london mayor called boris johnson. so rishi sunak, he's got rishi sunak, although he's got this kind blue background, this kind of blue background, he's into the space on he's looking into the space on the front cover of the telegraph as if he's rethinking everything. but he's in a position against position of campaigning against conservative policy. and conservative party policy. and the for that is purely the reason for that is purely electoral mathematics . electoral mathematics. >> louis perry this is all just election earring. >> yeah. lois yeah, sorry. no, no problem at all. this we must remember this isn't really a war on motorists . this is a war on on motorists. this is a war on humans. this is a war on all of us. this is a war on everyone thatis us. this is a war on everyone that is an extremely wealthy . that is an extremely wealthy. because what this will lead to is a complete annihilation of the. of the working, working class and of the middle class because the internal combustion engine , the ability to move and engine, the ability to move and get around and be independent and make money is a key component of our liberty and everything that we take for granted in this country about what being british means. this isn't about the motorist. this isn't about the motorist. this is about you , me, your nan, your

is about you, me, your nan, your aunt , your is about you, me, your nan, your aunt, your cousin, your brother, everything that you've ever seen is normal life and ulez you lose, you know? so rishi is. yeah he is electioneering, but yeah, totally . this this is very yeah, totally. this this is very scary stuff, everybody. it really is . really is. >> jim. joel, this is scary stuff. it's a it's a tax on the working class, a tax on the motorist. we need to actually we need rishi sunak to actually be on the motorist side . what do on the motorist side. what do you think, don ? you think, don? >> what i would say is you brazier you bring a ray of sunshine to a drab day in in in britain with that lovely jacket. >> so that's the first thing i'm going to say . >> so that's the first thing i'm going to say. um, the second thing i want to say, there's absolutely no war on motorists as there's war, as such. look if there's a war, it's , acted by it's being conducted, acted by ben lois in terms of a war ben and lois in terms of a war against health, a war against health. and i say prosperity because prosperity is a green prosperity. the environment , prosperity. the environment, safety and health come very at the very typified by ulez and

other actions taken by councils up and down the country. and if sunak thinks he can just somersault on on one, how can you put this about uxbridge? because this is what this is about. this the knee jerk about. this is the knee jerk that on uxbridge . uxbridge that went on uxbridge. uxbridge was lost by the reform party and they pushed the anti ulez thing. they lost the deposit. we didn't don't need to say anymore. >> they didn't. they didn't we didn't stand in uxbridge. >> okay. reclaim friends is >> okay. reclaim your friends is the same thing that you shook hands with the party instead of . yeah, it's a different party. but think you stand for the same. >> the people are waking up to your do you feel about that? >> i think we've got to let him finish his no scam. >> look, this mate is absolutely clear. there no climate scam. clear. there is no climate scam. 987% of science is proper scientists. not your lot . not scientists. not your lot. not the 3% on the fringe. >> the ones that you pay. >> the ones that you pay. >> i'm suggesting that this. this is something that we that not just this country, but the world is going forward. you guys are just going backwards. and that's where you're going. and

you know what i would question lewis? i ben and lewis. i lewis? i owe ben and lewis. i would question your motive. what is motive? who is feeding is your motive? who is feeding you liberty and freedom? and talk about answer no. talk about please answer no. >> one. absolutely no one is motivating me other than my conscience and my brain. hey, here. >> right. unfortunately, people , all we have, we've run out of time . we could actually talk time. we could actually talk about that for the lots of hot air. obviously for the next few hours. couldn't we? but that's. thank you very much . jim giles, thank you very much. jim giles, senior meteorologist at british weather, ben habib again, and lois perry and peter edwards. thank you all so much for joining me this afternoon on another heated debate. no pun intended. right. you're with dawn neesom standing in for nana akua on gb news on tv and digital radio. after the break, we'll continue with the great british debate. i'm asking have. no, i'm not. no, i'm not. we're going to the news right now and it is a lovely tatiana sanchez .

it is a lovely tatiana sanchez. >> don't thank you. this is the latest from the gb newsroom, a former home secretary, dame pretty patel has told gb news the government needs to clamp down on lefty lawyers to stop illegal migration. she says the attorney general and lord chancellor need to take action over how law firms behave . i've over how law firms behave. i've that's as the number of channel crossings continues to climb with more than 14,700 people intercept rooted in small boats so far this year. dame pretty warns the clock is ticking for the government to implement its new illegal migration bill. the energy and security secretary says he and his family have struggled to open accounts at major banks in the wake of the nigel farage row. major banks in the wake of the nigel farage row . grant major banks in the wake of the nigel farage row. grant shapps told the sun the problem stems from being a politically exposed person, and he accused banks of going too far. it comes as mr farage launched a new website to help people who like him, have had their bank accounts forcibly

closed . the prime minister is closed. the prime minister is ordering a review into the rollout of low traffic neighbourhoods. the scheme , neighbourhoods. the scheme, which has been used by councils to stop drivers cutting through residential areas, has been seen by some as an attack on motorists in an interview with the sunday telegraph, rishi sunak said he supports people's right to use their cars to do all the things that matter to them . you can get more on all of them. you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website at gbnews.com. now dawn, it's back to you . it's back to you. >> thank you very much. tatiana. i'm dawn neesom standing in for nana akua on gb news on tv and digital radio. still to come in this week's outside rider, i will be joined by an entertainer and legend. she's currently working on a new single to raise awareness for alzheimer's . don't awareness for alzheimer's. don't go anywhere, though. she's a

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and welcome back. you're with dawn neesom standing in for nana akua on gb news and on digital radio. now it's time for the great british bake kind of part two. i'm asking, have our politicians declared war on motorists? london mayor sadiq khan is to press ahead with the capital's ultra low emission zone after

five conservative led councils failed in the high court. legal bid to stop them from expanding the scheme . now khan has the scheme. now khan has described the judgement as a landmark decision and pledged to do everything possible to address any concerns londoners may have. quite a few, by the way, about the scheme's expansion at the end of august. now, august starts like tomorrow, next day , very soon. tomorrow, next day, very soon. so for the great british debate, now, i am asking, have our politicians declared war on motorists? now let's see what my lovely shiny new panel make of this one. i'm joined by author and broadcaster christine hamilton and broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. who knows what he's talking about on this one. and he's got very strong opinions now . so let's go strong opinions now. so let's go straight to this debate, shall we? dan i'm coming to you on this right the front page of the telegraph today. i'm on motorists side says pm rishi sunak. you can see it there. there it is in black and white and a bit of yellow highlights.

it goes on the jacket. he's backing the motorist. danny, do you believe word of this? you believe a word of this? >> , the motorist of >> well, the motorist all of a sudden an election winner is sudden is an election winner is a vote winner. >> i've driven down 96 miles to get here from the west midlands. now, you something. now, let me tell you something. i don't understand why londoners now, let me tell you something. i don voting rstand why londoners now, let me tell you something. i donvoting khani why londoners now, let me tell you something. i donvoting khan inrhy londoners now, let me tell you something. i donvoting khan in becauseyners now, let me tell you something. i donvoting khan in because he �*s keep voting khan in because he hates motorists and keep voting khan in because he hategoing motorists and keep voting khan in because he hategoing to motorists and keep voting khan in because he hategoing to qualifytorists and keep voting khan in because he hategoing to qualify thists and keep voting khan in because he hategoing to qualify this if and i'm going to qualify this if i go into birmingham. they an go into birmingham. they have an identical emission identical ultra low emission zone. £8. i drive to zone. i pay £8. if i drive to bristol, i pay £9. if i pay, if i drive down to london, i pay £12.50 in birmingham and bristol, get seven days pay bristol, i get seven days to pay it. in london, i get four days to it. so if i'm absent to pay it. so if i'm absent minded and i only remember on day if on friday i day five, so if on friday i think, oh, haven't paid me think, oh, i haven't paid me ulez i think, oh, i haven't paid me ulez | get think, oh, i haven't paid me ulez i get hit a £180 fine. ulez i get hit with a £180 fine. birmingham and bristol 120. why the disparity? it's like a sort of racket that the new york mob would run. it really is. as soon as i get off the motorway, it is saturated with average speed cameras. i am forced to do 20 or 30 miles an hour when there are very few cars on the road on a sunday. what it's like at 3:00

in the morning. if i was coming back from, i don't know, a night out and coming back to a hotel at midnight, but if i stay in a hotel at midnight, one minute past midnight, if i drive back home, i've got to pay the next day's it a racket. day's ulez it is a racket. >> you think we should >> so do you think we should scrap it? >> well, look, there are various towns the towns and cities around the country which for example, country which have, for example, low zones. low emission zones. >> bradford i wouldn't have to pay l >> bradford i wouldn't have to pay i do greater pay bristol. i do greater manchester. don't portsmouth, pay bristol. i do greater manchesheffield,1't portsmouth, pay bristol. i do greater manchesheffield,1'tdon't. �*nouth, i don't sheffield, i don't. newcastle. clean air is newcastle. i don't. clean air is surely why clean surely clean air. why is clean air london different? to air in london different? to clean air in newcastle and it sort of spreads out, doesn't it? >> just doesn't stay in the >> it just doesn't stay in the compartment lies itself within the boundaries of ulez. >> my guess that >> no, but my guess is that those cities that you've named at list, it will at the end that list, it will come is going to come to there. this is going to creep all over the place. i mean, what i find extraordinary is that the car has never been more efficient, more fuel efficient. cetera. more efficient, more fuel efficyet . cetera. more efficient, more fuel efficyet the cetera. more efficient, more fuel efficyet the penalty cetera. more efficient, more fuel efficyet the penalty is cetera. more efficient, more fuel efficyet the penalty is and ra. more efficient, more fuel efficyet the penalty is and the and yet the penalty is and the restrictions placed on it have neven restrictions placed on it have never, ever been so draconian, except we had man with a except when we had a man with a red walking front of the red flag walking in front of the very cars. it is very early motor cars. it is utterly ludicrous. you're

utterly ludicrous. and you're absolutely it is just political. they've of the they've woken up because of the it's say, it's racket. may i just say, away from broadcasting, i'm a car dealer. >> i am getting so calls >> i am getting so many calls from distinctly know from people. i distinctly know why they're calling me because they're with a south they're calling with a south eastern they're they're calling with a south eastern because they're they're calling with a south eastern because of they're they're calling with a south eastern because of thisy're they're calling with a south eastern because of this greater calling because of this greater london having london ulez and they are having to exchange their cars to part exchange their cars perfectly serviceable. 2013 14 focus and buy something focus diesels and buy something like a 2005 petrol focus and they're just swapping that for they're just swapping that for the same price as that nearly 18 years old. it's mental. >> and do you think i mean , the >> and do you think i mean, the scrappage not fit for scrappage scheme is not fit for purpose, is it basically i mean, basically, you know, if you if you do have a car that isn't ulez efficient, then there is a scrappage scheme where the government will support you to upgrade car. what you upgrade your car. what do you make of the £2,000 bounty, make of with the £2,000 bounty, if you like, £2,000 people, their are worth more than their cars are worth more than £2,000 and they are having to scrap them and get two grand for them. >> absolute scandal, honestly, and punitive. and it is punitive. >> i understand about low >> i understand about the low emission and air that we emission and the air that we breathe. remind you what breathe. but i remind you what is about clean in is different about clean air in london than clean air in

newcastle or manchester? >> nothing, but come >> utter nothing, but it'll come in newcastle. there. in newcastle. but it's there. >> but it's a it's a different criteria . that's my point. criteria. that's my point. >> see. >> a different. i see. >> a different. i see. >> so already have these >> so they already have these clean zones but they're clean air zones but they're criteria different criteria is completely different and flexible . and more flexible. >> the other way that the motorist is punished time and with the tax system , i mean in with the tax system, i mean in this country we pay more tax on our petrol or diesel than almost any other country. in the usa. it's the price. know, it's half the price. you know, it's fuel duty, it's vat and fuel duty, etcetera. other thing which etcetera. the other thing which really annoys about this ulez really annoys me about this ulez scheme , isn't about the scheme, it isn't just about the motorist , is it? it's about motorist, is it? it's about getting big brother type cameras. all over the capital and they are succeeding and any minute now we'll have total facial recognition vehicle number, plate recognition, and they will know exactly who is doing what, where and when and with whom. do you really think it's coming to that i do. well i mean, those of us who are really old remember when george orwell's 1984 came out old remember when george orwell's1984 came out and it was just impossible in 1984 was way over the hill. it was never going to happen. and big brother

, etcetera. brother is , etcetera. big brother is watching of course watching you. yes, of course it's i mean, they it's happening. i mean, they know you're doing the it's happening. i mean, they know and you're doing the it's happening. i mean, they know and thesee doing the it's happening. i mean, they know and these 20 oing the it's happening. i mean, they know and these 20 mile the it's happening. i mean, they know and these 20 mile anthe it's happening. i mean, they know and these 20 mile an hour, time. and these 20 mile an hour, there's camera when it's 20 there's a camera when it's 20 miles in london, there's miles an hour in london, there's a every five yards, just a camera every five yards, just about. a camera every five yards, just aboit. with you there. i'm >> i differ with you there. i'm not bothered about brother. not bothered about big brother. i don't think i am. i don't think there studying your reg number out yet. number and working out not yet. not well, we disagree, but not yet. well, we disagree, but my central point is that my main central point is that other big cities the uk other big cities around the uk have air zones and won't have clean air zones and i won't have clean air zones and i won't have pay drive them, but i have to pay to drive them, but i drive through them. but i will hit london. london? a hit london. london? it's a scandal. do we. scandal. so do we. >> the particulars. sorry, john. the particular scandal the the particular scandal is the way it out to the way he's pushing it out to the outer london completely outer london areas, completely destroying outer london areas, completely des argument would be, well, his argument would be, well, it's johnson policy. it's a boris johnson policy. >> was grant shapps, >> and it was grant shapps, another tory, who suggested the extension he have to extension in he doesn't have to implement to do it. that was the point. yeah, absolutely. so do we minister we believe the prime minister rishi is on our side? rishi sunak, is on our side? he's the car driver's side, he's on the car driver's side, by the way. i don't drive. i'm a cyclist. >> don't make me laugh. >> don't make me laugh. >> i think also you just hit on something really interesting.

the of who the majority of people who live in have a car. so in london don't have a car. so that's why he has overwhelming support. why support. and that's probably why the voted in every the clown gets voted in every four out of london. four years out of london. >> people do. >> people do. >> of london, people do. >> out of london, people do. maybe or maybe at the next mayoral elections, he'll he'll he'll face some resistance. >> thing mean, this is >> the one thing i mean, this is where whole debate has where the whole debate has become toxic, become so incredibly toxic, hasn't lib dem hasn't it? this is lib dem councillor tarling councillor michael tarling actually would happily actually said he would happily guess anti ulez campaigners if they in room together. they were in a room together. he'd carbon he'd fill it with carbon monoxide them. he'd fill it with carbon mo heide them. he'd fill it with carbon mo he has them. he'd fill it with carbon mo he has now. them. he'd fill it with carbon mo he has now. he:hem. he'd fill it with carbon mo he has now. he has|. he'd fill it with carbon mo he has now. he has now been >> he has now. he has now been sent on a diversion and awareness course. course not. diversion but an awareness course. he's been sent on an awareness by lib dems awareness course by the lib dems . so that's right then. . so that's all right then. that's crazy . that's just crazy. >> i mean, this is where we are. >> i mean, this is where we are. >> we're talking about it. >> we're talking about it. >> rhetoric is just it's so polarised. >> exactly. it's toxic. exactly. danny kelly, christine hamilton, thank much now. we thank you very much for now. we are on. this is are now moving on. this show is nothing and your nothing without you and your views. so let's welcome one of our great british voices as this is your opportunity to be on the show and tell us what you think about the we're about the topics we're discussing we're

discussing this hour. we're heading kebumen minster to heading up to kebumen minster to speak with regular voice . john speak with regular voice. john reid afternoon , john. thank reid good afternoon, john. thank you for joining reid good afternoon, john. thank you forjoining us reid good afternoon, john. thank you for joining us this afternoon . john. we're just afternoon. john. we're just talking the war on talking about the war on motorists. sunak on our motorists. rishi sunak on our side, evidently. what do you make of all this ? make of all this? >> dawn good afternoon. >> dawn good afternoon. >> thanks having me on >> thanks for having me on again. this is almost a again. um, this is almost a first dawn, really, because i'm in absolute agreement with both of your people on the panel there . there. >> i think they're making a lot of sense. i would question the word war. i'm not i'm not convinced the government is at war with the people. after all, it's us that vote them in. um do i believe, rishi? no, i don't believe a word he says. do i think that the ulez should come in? well, live the midlands in? well, i live in the midlands in? well, i live in the midlands in kidderminster, and it's not going to affect me. but dan wootton 100% right. the figures should be the every should be the same for every city why would city in the country. why would they different? i don't they be different? i don't really that at all. really understand that at all. what? is the government what? what is the government doing the motorists what? what is the government doing are the motorists what? what is the government doing are they motorists what? what is the government doing are they building s what? what is the government doing are they building us though? are they building us lots roads and lots of nice new roads and keeping ones we've already keeping the ones we've already got in good condition? are they

doing something the price doing something about the price of are they doing of petrol? are they doing something the of something about the price of parking no, no , no, no. >> no, no, no, no, no. >> so i don't think there's a war going on. but yeah, there's something happening here that's big me. and, you big brother to me. and, you know, i don't like it particularly, but there i'm in agreement. this is a first dawn. they don't seem to. >> yeah, there's actually rishi sunak on our side, but not actually giving details as actually giving any details as to going to be on the to how it's going to be on the side, it's going to do. side, what it's going to do. john reid, thank you very much for joining us this afternoon. right. dawn neesom for joining us this afternoon. right. in dawn neesom for joining us this afternoon. right. in for dawn neesom for joining us this afternoon. right. in for nana wn neesom for joining us this afternoon. right. in for nana akuaaesom for joining us this afternoon. right. in for nana akua on 3m for joining us this afternoon. right. in for nana akua on gb standing in for nana akua on gb news tv and on digital news on your tv and on digital radio. still to come, i'll be joined the studio by one of joined in the studio by one of the all time greats. you'll have seen on silver screen seen it on the silver screen in the films. first, the carry on films. but first, what's that weather doing out there? let's find out, shall we? >> temperatures rising, boxt >> the temperatures rising, boxt solar, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your latest gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. you might be

hoping for a change of type in our weather over the next few days, but it is unfortunately looking relatively looking to remain relatively unsettled low unsettled. this area of low pressure throughout the rest of sunday is going to be pushing in from atlantic with these from the atlantic with these weather fronts already providing rain england. rain into south—west england. some bursts wales, some heavier bursts for wales, northern later on into northern ireland later on into northern southeast northern england. southeast england damp england also turning fairly damp and well. the breeze and grey as well. the breeze will building particularly will be building particularly gusty coastal areas. gusty along some coastal areas. the gradually pushing its the rain gradually pushing its way scotland overnight. but way into scotland overnight. but the far north of scotland should stay dry with some clear stay largely dry with some clear intervals and actually turning relatively chilly underneath those down to as those clear skies, down to as low degrees celsius in low as five degrees celsius in some villages . but some rural villages. but elsewhere, will be a elsewhere, it will be a much milder to monday milder and humid start to monday morning . outbreaks of rain still morning. outbreaks of rain still continuing across the channel islands, southern of islands, southern coast of england. brighter spells england. a few brighter spells trying to develop into the afternoon. so it might actually make touch warmer on make it feel a touch warmer on monday sunday for monday compared to sunday for parts of wales, southwest england, showers england, but still with showers around at times, the rain that will progress its way into scotland , though will scotland, though that will probably feel rather probably make it feel rather cooler compared to sunday here.

temperatures ranging between 17 and 22 c. some of those showers and 22 c. some of those showers and outbreaks of rain will still be lingering first thing on tuesday morning. potentially quite heavy for parts of wales, southern first thing, quite heavy for parts of wales, sou a ern first thing, quite heavy for parts of wales, sou a few first thing, quite heavy for parts of wales, sou a few brighter, first thing, quite heavy for parts of wales, sou a few brighter, sunnier1g, but a few brighter, sunnier spells to spells once again trying to develop in there. a bit more develop in there. so a bit more sunshine to in sunshine compared to monday in general, further wet and general, but further wet and windy weather is the cards, windy weather is on the cards, particularly we head towards particularly as we head towards wednesday. rest wednesday. enjoy the rest of your day. bye . the your day. bye bye. the temperatures are rising. >> boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> you're with dawn neesom standing in for nana akua on gb news on tv and digital radio. coming up next, the latest from around the world as we head to the us to get the donald trump update facing charges, more charges, plus more drone strikes hit moscow as ukraine prepares to ramp up their counter—offensive

you're with dawn neesom standing in for nana akua on gb news on tv and on digital radio. now it's tv and on digital radio. now wsfime tv and on digital radio. now it's time for worldview two, where we travel around the world finding out what the hell is going on now. coming up, first we are speaking to international journalist alexi avera to talk all about the latest happenings in, well, ukraine and russia basically . now, alexi, thank you basically. now, alexi, thank you very much for joining basically. now, alexi, thank you very much forjoining us, especially seeing as you look like you're on holiday somewhere rather moment . oh

rather lovely at the moment. oh yes, i am. >> i'm in greece right now. yeah >> i'm in greece right now. yeah >> excellent. it looks much better weather than here. so, alexi, bring us up to speed on what on. and we had what is going on. and we had news of drone strikes over the last couple of days. what's happening the happening in ukraine at the moment happening in ukraine at the mo well, morning, 7 am, >> well, this morning, 7 am, actually, two drones broke moscow city, its business centre in russia, in moscow , it's the in russia, in moscow, it's the symbol of new russia. it's a great looking place with a lot of consulting agencies . and it of consulting agencies. and it has two ministries, the ministry of economic development and the ministry , the digital ministry. ministry, the digital ministry. so yeah, this morning at 7 am, one of the buildings there, one of the skyscrapers was hit . the of the skyscrapers was hit. the mayor of moscow, sergei sobyanin , he said that the damage is minimal and no one has been hurt. there are no deaths, but still it's very concerning because it's almost like every week moscow is hit with new drone attacks and actually here

in greece, there are a lot of ukrainian refugees. and i spoke to some of them today. we discussed the situation. they said they do not approve such actions because obviously moscow has put their responsibility on kyiv. and they said that the ukrainian government is responsible for those drone attacks. well, neither the presidential office of mr zelenskyy nor the government, they have not claimed responsibility yet. but it's pretty obvious as as much as other attacks like earlier attacks, drone attacks and some terrorist attacks by killing russian journalists and the recent assassination attempt on two other russian journalists are greatest dumas nana and sabina nessa. check his resume is pretty responsible for is pretty much responsible for them. and what surprised me the most that even those most is that even those ukrainians who had to flee the country because of the military action, they do not support such actions in russia, even though their own houses have been destroyed. see how the destroyed. we'll see how the situation develops. but well, i have that people in have to say that people in moscow pretty concerned with moscow are pretty concerned with everything is going on. >> that's alexis fear. are

russian journalist coming to us live from greece. thank you very much for that update there, alexis. now we are travelling over to the usa and we're going to speak the of the to speak to the host of the politics people podcast , paul politics people podcast, paul duddndge. politics people podcast, paul duddridge . good afternoon, paul duddridge. good afternoon, paul .thank duddridge. good afternoon, paul . thank you forjoining us. . thank you for joining us. right okay, paul, bring us up to date on what's happening with mr trump . trump. >> well, it's a packed week. listen, this is kind of not in the public sphere yet, but my impeccable sources at the republican party tell me that there actually trying within the republican party to change the rules so that any candidate who is under a federal indictment won't be allowed to be the eventual candidate to fight the election in 2024 or any future elections. this isn't official yet, but i'm hearing that this is a campaign that's taking place within the republican party . it's place within the republican party. it's more place within the republican party . it's more evidence that party. it's more evidence that there aren't two parties in the us or perhaps anywhere in the

world. we have this kind of uni party that is determined to stop him at all costs. party that is determined to stop him at all costs . this is not him at all costs. this is not coming from the democrats. this is coming from his own party. the republicans. they're trying to him even the to prevent him even being the candidate they're according candidate and they're according to constitution and trump to the constitution and trump has week that under has said this week that under the , even if he's the constitution, even if he's in jail, going to carry in jail, he's going to carry on campaigning. going to run campaigning. he's going to run for president from jail if they jail him. he said this week in an interview. but his own party is apparent , an interview. but his own party is apparent, only making moves. these are all allegations at the moment. and i'm on this every day investigating, but i'm sort of hearing from my impeccable sources within in the republican party that there is an attempt to stop donald trump being there candidate at all. wow >> that's going to make trump even more angry than he usually is . is. >> i don't find him angry. >> i don't find him angry. >> i don't find him angry. >> i find him. this is the thing he i think he's funny and patriotic and aware of. >> exactly how broken the system is . he does >> exactly how broken the system

is. he does get >> exactly how broken the system is . he does get portrayed as is. he does get portrayed as angry. i've never seen him angry. i've never seen him angry. i've never seen him angry. i've seen him ridiculing people, but i've never seen him actually angry. he's he's very , actually angry. he's he's very, very aware of the terrible broken system. and he's trying to do something about it. but it's certainly going to invigorate his base if this is attempted. and the real problem is it , even his attempted. and the real problem is it, even his entire is with it, even if his entire base with him to a third base went with him to a third party or he ran as an party or if he ran as an independent, would split the independent, it would split the vote, have a definite vote, you'd have a definite democrat possibly biden. democrat, possibly joe biden. again in the white house for four more years. so that's the that's the serious side of any kind strategy this being kind of strategy like this being done the established moment. done by the established moment. >> when i angry paul, >> yeah. when i said angry paul, i didn't mean angry as in exploding head. i mean angry at the does rage against the system. he does rage against the system. he does rage against the and, know, you the system. and, you know, you can't blame him can't actually blame him for that. biden there. that. you mentioned biden there. what's happening with hunter biden going on the moment? biden going on at the moment? >> well, hunter biden was on a couple of months ago and hunter biden had negotiated a plea deal for his tax evasion charges and weapons possession, illegal

weapons possession, illegal weapons possession. >> he negotiated a plea deal that should have just been rubber stamped this week by a judge, but the judge threw it out. it's extraordinary potential good news that a judge has actually seen that perhaps this sweetheart deal, this unfair legal abuse has actually hopefully we excuse the pun, on the gun charges, but it's backfired on hunter biden. so basically, a judge has thrown out the plea deal that would have just resulted in a slap on the wrist for hunter biden this week. it's been thrown out. i don't get my hopes up. i think it's all going to still be negotiated backstage and they're going to be still giving him a slap on the wrist, maybe not quite gentle was going quite as gentle as it was going to buti quite as gentle as it was going to but i still think in to be, but i still think in a few weeks time that'll that'll leave stage. but the biden leave the stage. but the biden camp is very, very upset about it. if that's if that's anything to go by. >> fascinating that's >> fascinating stuff. that's paul there, of paul duddridge there, host of the podcast. the politics people podcast. thank forjoining thank you so much forjoining us this now you're this afternoon. now you're watching gb news. more to come

in next hour . in the next hour. you're with dawn neesom standing in for the lovely nana akua on gb news on tv and on digital radio. for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headunes of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. but first, let's catch up on the latest news headlines with tatiana sanchez. >> dawn, thank you very much and good afternoon. this is the latest from the newsroom. former home secretary dame priti patel has told gb news the government needs to clamp down on lefty lawyers to stop illegal migration. she says the attorney general and lord chancellor need to take action over how law firms behave . that says the firms behave. that says the number of channel crossings continues to climb with more than 14,700 people intercepted in small boats so far this year

, dame pretty warns the clock is ticking for the government to implement its new illegal migration bill >> need a deterrent factor for a start and removals and returns . start and removals and returns. my start and removals and returns. my rwanda plan was central to that. the returns agreements that. the returns agreements that i have put in place and others are now putting in place. we have to get planes leaving the country and show that if you come here illegally, you can't just get a free pass . being firm just get a free pass. being firm is actually the stance that we should take. and that means removing people and returning people to other third countries or country of origin . or country of origin. >> dame pretty also spoke to camilla tominey about the net zero target, saying the government needs to press pause on the 2050 climate goal. public are not ready for this and importantly, we cannot just have this state, the government central government, just sort of saying across again, institutions, local councils , institutions, local councils, county councils, this these are the targets that you have to meet when we don't have the technology, we're not ready. >> now, if we want a sensible conversation about climate and

the impact of climate change, recognising there are problems is one thing, absolutely. but making sure that we have the tools and the ability that doesn't impose costs and taxes on ordinary people all the energy and security secretary says he and his family have struggled to open accounts at major banks in the wake of the nigel farage rel grant shapps told the sun the problem stems from being a politically exposed person and he accused banks of going too far. >> it comes as mr farage launched a new website to help people who like him , have had people who like him, have had their bank accounts forcibly closed. the gb news presenter says 1000 accounts are being shut every day. what i've learned in the three weeks since i came out, as it were, i've just been inundated by small businesses, by folk all around the country, people in absolute fear, terror , their lives being fear, terror, their lives being ruined , thousands of businesses ruined, thousands of businesses being closed , and the prime being closed, and the prime minister is ordering a review

into the rollout of low traffic neighbourhoods. the scheme, which has been used by councils to stop drivers cutting through residential areas, has been seen by some as an attack on motorists in an interview with the sunday telegraph , rishi the sunday telegraph, rishi sunak said he supports people's right to use their cars to do all the things that matter to them. shadow international trade secretary nick thomas—symonds says prime minister should says the prime minister should leave the decision to local areas . areas. >> our position is that it is for communities to make these decisions, whether it is in terms of low traffic neighbourhoods where by the way , there are communities up and down the country want to reduce traffic going through their neighbourhoods. whether it is in terms of, you know, clean air zones. we've talked obviously specifically about ulez. yes, we certainly believe a well—planned , low traffic neighbourhood is a good thing . good thing. >> at least 40 people have been killed following an explosion at a political rally in pakistan. a

suicide bomber detonated a device at a convention of the conservative jewish party , which conservative jewish party, which has links to hardline political islam. around 130 people were also injured in the blast, which occurred in the north—west of the country. a state of emergency has been declared by local hospitals . and finally hs2 local hospitals. and finally hs2 programme has been given a red rating by the infrastructure watchdog. it believes the timetable for construction of the first two phases of the rail line from london to birmingham and then on to crewe are unachievable. the ipa's annual report, which follows the resignation of chief executive mark thurston , cites major mark thurston, cites major issues with the schedule and budget. hs2 was initially slated to open in 2026, but this has now been delayed by up to seven years as this is gb news, we'll bnng years as this is gb news, we'll bring you more as it happens. now it's back to dawn .

now it's back to dawn. >> thank you, tatiana. this is gb news. i'm dawn neesom. and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headunes the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion, mine, theirs, but more importantly, yours. you're the that yours. you're the ones that count. debating, count. we've been debating, discussing and possibly disagreeing, but a nice way. disagreeing, but in a nice way. joining me today, it's author and broadcaster christine hamilton and broadcaster and columnist danny kelly. and neither of those two hold back. still to come, each sunday at 5:00, i'm joined by a celebrity, a former mp, or someone who has an extremely interesting career to take a look back on. now we'll talk the highs, the lows, the lessons learned and what comes next on the outside . now, comes next on the outside. now, today, i'm absolutely joined by an inspirational figure . she is an inspirational figure. she is currently raising awareness for alzheimer's uk, a proper showbiz

legend . plus, we'll be getting legend. plus, we'll be getting a showbiz update on simon cowell. harry and meghan. yes, them and the latest with the beckhams. always plenty of drama going on, isn't there? and our great british debate this hour is , is british debate this hour is, is home ownership a god given right? email gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet us at gb news. us. now i'm thrilled to say it's time for this week's outside. and i am joined by a very special guest indeed . now, anita harris guest indeed. now, anita harris is an extremely talented singer and actress, best known for her single, just loving you and appearances , the classic carry appearances, the classic carry on films . in appearances, the classic carry on films. in recent years, she's made appearances on midsomer murders, celebrity master , chef murders, celebrity master, chef and casualty. earlier this year, sadly, anita's husband, mark margolis, tragically passed away after battling with alzheimer's for eight years. now anita is

working on a song called never lose hope, in the hope of raising awareness of the disease. now joining me now is the legend herself . anita the legend herself. anita harris. thank you so much for joining us. really lovely to see you.thank joining us. really lovely to see you. thank you very much. and doesn't she look amazing? i'm sorry, but she does now. just chatting to anita before you came back to us here, anita, on the way here, my husband was dropping me off. was raving about the whole way. he's about anita the whole way. he's been a big fan, loves everything you've done. and so how do you've ever done. and so how do you've ever done. and so how do you look? i'm just. i'm sorry. this is such a good question, but it's inspired by my husband. how amazing? how do you look so amazing? >> is your husband's name? >> what is your husband's name? >> mark. >> mark. >> hello, mark. >> mark? hello, mark. >> mark? hello, mark. >> no, don't encourage him. don't please. but don't encourage him, please. but you stunning. so you look absolutely stunning. so i now you are here. i mean, now you are here. obviously to talk about some very important subjects . so just very important subjects. so just tell briefly what up tell us briefly what you're up to right now. >> well, i'm at this very moment a legend . legends of variety, an a legend. legends of variety, an idea that it's a variety show, that freddie davis has put

together very parrot face. davies with with bernie clifton and tommy cannon , bless him, and tommy cannon, bless him, with obviously with dear bobby. but remembering him with lots of love. the forgotten , the love. the forgotten, the grumbleweeds sorry, sorry. >> grumbleweeds and it's what it is . is. >> it's joyous. it's is. >> it'sjoyous. it's we're >> it's joyous. it's we're touring. so if you look up legends of variety .com so you can find this online. absolutely all the details yeah and we're to going beautiful theatres all over the country and you know something working with friends that you've known most of your career. yeah. and joining in the fun but also knowing that each one of us is going to connect with that audience that is there . most of them are matinees and we do blackpool a few a couple of weeks ago and it was just wonderful to have the connection with the audience to hear the laughter sing the love songs,

have a general feeling of old fashioned variety, but in fact we're getting a lovely lot of younger people who are interested in that. absolutely. >> i mean, because it's everything is now online and digital and it's like , this digital and it's like, this sounds like good old fashion fun. >> instead of doing that, we're doing that. >> well, exactly how long is the tour going for? on >> anita? well, until panto when i'm in windsor. so we're around and about. we're around and about where do you get your energy from ? probably my mum and energy from? probably my mum and dad and my two big brothers who also are amazingly beautiful, wonderful and have been such a support , you know, since support, you know, since everything happened. yeah i was going to say because you you do have a record out at the moment, raising awareness. we're making it next week. >> right. okay. okay >> right. okay. okay >> so i've written it. it's because my darling mike worked

so hard to stay here. yeah, i never actually lost him, so i'm so grateful for that. but watching the steps that alzheimer's, dementia year bnngs alzheimer's, dementia year brings to the human spirit is i don't want to get upset . no, no, no. >> i completely understand. but i just think it's. >> it's the frustration and it's the beginning. it's mike used to say what's happening to me, you know, such a brilliant brain and such a creative man, a an artist , a creative songwriter for everything. that and so much love for me. and vice versa. so so i would like, if possible , so i would like, if possible, that i'm working with alzheimer's research uk and the hope and the dreams of something good happening really soon with all of these new we keep seeing

don't we that oh this is new drug and this everyone is staying very level headed because we don't want people to say oh good good, good because it isn't instant you. no, but it's something positive can come out from all the years of love. we made our golden ticket . we made our golden ticket. >> congratulations. >> congratulations. >> three days before. so so. >> three days before. so so. >> oh, bless . bless you. it's >> oh, bless. bless you. it's i think it's so important to raise awareness of things like alzheimer's because it's such a scary thing to happen to people. >> it is. >> it is. >> it is. and >> it is. and as >> it is. and as you >> it is. and as you said, anita, just now that the frustration of the person suffering and the people that love them, yes. it's very hard to cope. >> i just want everybody never to feel alone . the first lyrics to feel alone. the first lyrics of the song are never lose hope or be blinded by the light. no ever lose love. it helps the

world and unite it. and that's what i want. oh god. possible. >> get me going in a minute. oh, my gosh. >> we're recording. i'm doing it with annie skates, who is capital voices and a lovely husband, kennedy. they're helping me recording . so. >> and you've written it all yourself . and. yourself. and. >> yes, because it just came. it just flowed and so everybody said, god, you've got to you got to it. to record it. >> you're recording it >> yeah. you're recording it this coming, you? yeah. this week coming, are you? yeah. so when, when, when will it be released. know. released. do you know. >> while doesn't it. >> it takes a while doesn't it. yeah it's come out through, through everything. also through everything. but and also being of dear tony being a friend of dear tony christie. bless you , tony. christie. god bless you, tony. and sue. i think it's like when you working, as you well know, if you work with people that embrace you and bring you forward and you're together towards the same goal, whatever walk of life, if you are together with it, then something magical can happen. and so with this and well, i just want a

whole lot of love going out there. >> bless know that's such, such a lovely, lovely sentiment and, and obviously it's has it been all most helpful for you to cope with what you know by, by writing and by getting it out there? because i think so many people, as you said, anita, quite rightly feel they're alone, not just with alzheimer's, but when they're going through things like cancer and like that, people and things like that, people feel they're alone. by feel they're alone. and by reaching like reaching out and by people like yourself very bravely and incredibly , i can incredibly emotionally, i can tell you it's like tears almost here as well, talking about these things is how we get together and we come through these things are people that are alone find it very difficult to even step out of the front door i >> -- >> yeah. and it's by i feel so low loved that the work i'd love to sing i to love work with people so that is an incentive

to get up and get out . but it to get up and get out. but it does for everybody. it does take an effort. it does. >> and loneliness is on the increase in this country. yes it's certainly amongst older people . you know, when you do people. you know, when you do lose a loved one that you've been with for many, many years, it's incredibly lonely. it sounds like you had a wonderful relationship. >> oh, he gifted so >> oh, he gifted me with so much. obviously it helped going >> and obviously it helped going out to again. yes. and all out to work again. yes. and all my friends, there we are, legend. that's amazing . legend. so that's amazing. >> i'm sorry. >> i'm sorry. >> to the camera so people can see it and you can go on to the what's the website again? >> legends of variety.com. legends >> legends of variety.com. legbernie clifton , freddie >> bernie clifton, freddie davies, grumbleweeds believers . davies, grumbleweeds believers. some great names on there, actually going to go and see that. now talking about some great names from past. you great names from the past. you have had the most career have had the most amazing career carry films . have had the most amazing career carry films. i loved, carry carry on films. i loved, carry on films when i was younger. i really did, though there were funny. they were cheeky. i wasn't offended as a woman in any way, shape or form. how do you feel now about the reaction

that they were wrong? they should be cancelled . they should should be cancelled. they should come with trigger warning songs. what do you make of that, anita i think when laughter is deleted from our lives, there's nothing left. >> i really believe they were cheeky. they were fun. we've got to keep the fun in our lives, haven't we? absolutely. and look at the gift of those artists. the first one i did was with phil silvers. follow that camel and to be with him first day sitting in the sahara desert camber sands in march was just insane. >> yeah. they didn't actually go on exotic locations really, did they? >> round the tops there . >> round the tops there. >> round the tops there. >> see she said knicker tops. you can say that on this show. >> oh. oh, good. we mustn't be frightened of all that we are though. we're censoring ourselves in the eater . and then ourselves in the eater. and then of course , with carry on, of course, with carry on, doctor, with all the that wonderful team of kenneth

williams, kenneth connor , sid williams, kenneth connor, sid james, dear barbara windsor. oh, i love hattie jakes and jim dale gave me my first screen kiss and what they are . to answer your what they are. to answer your question, i think they it's british comedy . it's how we were british comedy. it's how we were able to enjoy life as kids and watch things and i would just think, look , let it let it think, look, let it let it happen. do you think just enjoy it. >> do you think one final quick question. we run out of time, unfortunately. one final quick question. do you think it is unfair to judge the 60s, the 70s on the morals and values of today and look back and sneer at them and say we should cancel them? >> um , being a 60s girl and over >> um, being a 60s girl and over 21, i think let's embrace the 60s and 70s for what they were value each other. but respect what has happened in those years

. let's be honest. if we respect each other and like each other and are careful . to each other and like each other and are careful. to just each other and like each other and are careful . to just not be and are careful. to just not be cruel basically , and not not be cruel basically, and not not be too abrasive . exactly. we've got too abrasive. exactly. we've got a got a march on with that, haven't we? >> absolutely. we have . anita, >> absolutely. we have. anita, thank you so much. i can't thank you enough for coming in today. huge amounts of good luck with your your record. it's very nice actually . yeah. and if you want actually. yeah. and if you want to see anita is legends of variety, have a look at that onune variety, have a look at that online and make sure you go and see anita because she's wonderful. has to be said. thank you so much you good with you so much you good luck with that thank you for that record and thank you for raising awareness the way raising the awareness in the way you're thank you so much. you're doing. thank you so much. right now, we move on. coming up, the great british up, it's the great british debate this hour. i'm asking is home given right home ownership a god given right ? first, let's find out what that weather's doing there ? first, let's find out what thayou ather's doing there ? first, let's find out what thayou .ther's doing there for you. >> that warm feeling inside made from boxt boilers proud sponsors

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>> welcome back . you're with >> welcome back. you're with dawn neesom standing for in nana akua on gb news on tv and on digital radio. it's time for our great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, great british debate this hour. and i'm asking , is home and i'm asking, is home ownership a god given right? the shadow housing secretary, lisa nandy, has called for labour to reform the right to buy scheme, attributing emotional and financial security to owning a house. but is home ownership a thing of the past? is being able to rent and freely move from place to place without being anchored to a house? a better way to contribute to the economy

7 way to contribute to the economy ? huge debate. so for this a subject very, very, very a feisty one. i'm asking, subject very, very, very a feisty one. i'm asking , is home feisty one. i'm asking, is home ownership a god given right? i'm joined by property expert julie ford , chief economic adviser , ford, chief economic adviser, centre for economic business research , and vicky pryce, research, and vicky pryce, a former adviser to the bank of england. dr. rogerjewel and political commentator reem ibrahim. know we've just we've just lost reem, evidently. oh, my god. sorry about that one. okay, so housing, is it a god given right? this is lisa nandy . it's unacceptable to tell. working class they can't own a home. vicky, let's come to you first on this one. vicky, what do you make of what lisa said ? do you make of what lisa said? >> well, it's not a god given right by any means. >> and you see what happens in lots of countries where people spend their entire life renting . if you look at germany, for example , their home ownership example, their home ownership rate is considerably lower than is the case in the uk. >> it just under 50, whereas we are at 64% and think that's

terrible . on the other hand, terrible. on the other hand, think it's the conditions for renting that really matter. >> we have to talk about houses that are giving one the comfort that are giving one the comfort that one needs, the ability for their children to learn in environments which help their education more generally. >> and their well—being. >> and their well—being. >> i think that's quite important . and also not paying important. and also not paying a huge amounts of money. >> so happens in other >> so what happens in other countries that there rent countries is that there are rent controls laws various places controls laws in various places , so at least you're guaranteed that the costs are not going to become disproportionate . become disproportionate. >> really great as in relation to your income . here in the uk, to your income. here in the uk, of course, we hardly have that. we have had periods of that , but we have had periods of that, but actually all that is now disappeared you find is disappeared and what you find is that are now beginning to that rents are now beginning to take a disproportionate amount of household income and of one's household income and that's the real problem in the uk. >> roger, what do you what do you make of this subject? lisa nandy it's unacceptable a nandy it's unacceptable to a working class . they can't own working class. they can't own a

. home. >> i think when you ask a question, dawn, whether or not it's a god given right, you could have a whole debate around that. >> it depends on people's belief in god. and so on and so forth. >> but to answer your point, yes, it is a god given right. >> if you pay any attention to the bible where as early as the prophet micah says that every person has the right to live under a vine and next to a fig in other words, the right to shelter and the right to eat, which cannot be interfered with by anybody else. >> moving on. >> moving on. >> the biggest subject in the bible over and over again is land, land, land. it all belongs to god. >> you build homes on land, moving further into today's world will mean the bible still part of today's world, but mean moving into today's world. >> everything is really about where do i build my home? ukraine middle east, yemen, africa , china, taiwan and africa, china, taiwan and everywhere you want to go. it's about where people live. >> so i believe that after food

, food and water and safety, the right to possess a home in whatever form is the fourth fundamental, it'll but should you should you should you own that home or should you rent it. >> julie , what do you make of >> julie, what do you make of this ? this? >> yeah, i've got to disagree with lisa completely. >> i don't think it's a god given right that everybody should be a home owner. >> i do think it's a human right that everybody should have a safe roof their head, safe roof over their head, however, echo really what however, and echo really what roger said. roger has said. >> at the end of the >> i think at the end of the day, when we look at history as well, which is really important at turn of the century, in at the turn of the century, in the 1900s, only 10% of the early 1900s, only 10% of people were owner occupiers . people were owner occupiers. >> when you look at >> and now when you look at today's society, looking today's society, we're looking in more 60 to 70% of owner in the more 60 to 70% of owner occupiers. so that shows that there are a good percentage of people to owner people being able to owner occupy . however, society today occupy. however, society today is much more transient. people can live and work in different countries . i personally, myself

countries. i personally, myself am a tenant and i do that out of choice because i like to be able to just hand my notice in to my landlord and move on quickly when i want to. and i think a lot of people have that mindset as so owner occupation as well. so owner occupation needs to choice as much as needs to be a choice as much as it is necessarily right . it is necessarily a right. >> to you, vicky . >> coming back to you, vicky. so, i mean, do you think that the younger generation obviously , you know, working class background that i was brought up and we never expected and you know my mum dad that know my mum and dad that generation expected to generation never expected to own their homes. everybody their own homes. everybody rented. but things have changed. and, know, my generation rented. but things have changed. and, very (now, my generation rented. but things have changed. and, very lucky my generation rented. but things have changed. and, very lucky enougheration rented. but things have changed. and, very lucky enough to tion rented. but things have changed. and, very lucky enough to be| were very lucky enough to be able to get 100% mortgages, for example. so do you think it is unfair for now to tell younger generation ones that, look, you know , you can't afford know, you can't afford a mortgage, be happy with renting ? >> 7. >>i ? >> i think 7 >> i think that's ? >> i think that's the real problem . there is an problem. there is an intergenerational issue here that we need to tackle. without any doubt, those fortunate enough to have parents who can fund their move to a house, they do that. >> and of course, that leaves

huge inequality because those who cannot do so are stuck with renting homes, which which perhaps, as i said at the beginning, may be the beginning, may not be of the quality you'd like them to quality that you'd like them to to be bring up a family and really prosper in in the community. >> so that's the real issue. and of you look at the of course, if you look at the pnces of course, if you look at the prices homes right now, prices of homes right now, what we is it costs nine we have is that it costs nine times on average of your average salary to acquire a home. you mentioned 100% mortgages. they have at been mortgages have at times been mortgages which went up to 95% with very small deposits , with also the small deposits, with also the government assisting at various stages . and when interest rates stages. and when interest rates were low, those were affordable. the that we're the real problem is that we're now situation where not now in a situation where not only house prices quite only are house prices quite high, also interest rates high, but also interest rates are so great. so this affordability issue changed affordability issue has changed against anyone who is just about to remortgage, if you like, but also those who are thinking of starting now up the housing ladden >> is where we are, >> so that is where we are, which i think will then create the that we don't the society that we don't necessarily want of the haves at home the have nots. home and the have nots. >> thank you very much.

>> yeah. thank you very much. unfortunately, we out of unfortunately, we run out of time. fascinating debate time. another fascinating debate there. ford, there. and that's julie ford, vicky and roger wall, vicky pryce and roger wall, thank you so much for joining vicky pryce and roger wall, thank you so much forjoining me today, this afternoon to debate that now, are with that topic. now, you are with dawn neesom . i'm standing in for dawn neesom. i'm standing in for nana akua on gb news on tv and digital radio. coming up, we'll continue our great british great british debate. i'm asking , is british debate. i'm asking, is home ownership a god given right? you're hear the thoughts of hamilton of my panel, christine hamilton and danny kelly. but first, the latest news headlines with tatiana sanchez . dolan, thank tatiana sanchez. dolan, thank you very much and good afternoon. >> this is the latest former home secretary, dame priti patel has told gb news the government needs to clamp down on lefty lawyers to stop illegal migration. she says the attorney general and lord chancellor need to take action over how law firms behave . that says the firms behave. that says the number of channel crossings continues to climb with more than 14,700 people being intercept outed in small boats

so far this year. dame pretty warns the clock is ticking for the government to implement its new illegal migration bill the energy and security secretary says he and his family have struggled to open accounts at major banks in the wake of the nigel farage row grant shapps told the sun the problem stems from being a politically exposed person, and he accused banks of going too far. it comes as mr farage launched a new website to help people who, like him, have had their bank accounts forcibly closed . and the prime minister closed. and the prime minister is ordering a review into the rollout of low traffic neighbourhoods. the scheme, which has been used by councils to stop drivers cutting through residential areas , has been seen residential areas, has been seen by some as an attack on motorists in an interview with the sunday telegraph, rishi sunak said he supports people's right to use their cars to do all the things that matter to them. you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website, gbnews.com now it's

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i'm dawn neesom standing in for nana akua and this is gb news on your tv and on your digital radio. i'm smiling because we're debating stuff already. it's time for our great british debate this hour. i'm asking , is debate this hour. i'm asking, is home ownership a god given right now? the shadow housing secretary, lisa nandy has called for labour to reform the right to buy scheme, attributing emotional and financial security to owning a house, not renting, owning a house, but is home ownership a thing of the past? it is being able to rent and freely move from place to place without being anchored to a house. a better way to contribute to the economy or to your own happiness as so your own happiness as well. so for the british debate for the great british debate this i'm asking is home this hour, i'm asking is home ownership a god given right now? the panel have already been quite vocal on this one. so let's see what they make. i'm joined by author broadcaster joined by author and broadcaster

christine and christine hamilton and broadcaster journalist danny broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. now, this is lisa nandy . kelly. now, this is lisa nandy. it's unacceptable to work in class . they can't own a home. class. they can't own a home. everyone should be allowed to own home. christine what own their home. christine what do reckon? do you reckon? >> anybody who wants to >> well, anybody who wants to own home, it would be own a home, it would be wonderful they could own wonderful if they could own a home. the home. yes. nobody's saying the working a home. working class can't own a home. that's ridiculous. >> an lot of people >> but an awful lot of people know your place. working class. >> well, no funnily >> well, yeah. no funnily enough, lisa nandy an enough, i mean, lisa nandy an awful these labour shadow awful lot of these labour shadow people out with what people are coming out with what are basically tory but are basically tory policies, but it's about your own home it's about owning your own home is a goal that used to be and it's the brits are obsessed with it's the brits are obsessed with it in other countries people rent. i mean, in france, nobody thinks about owning their own home. over here and it home. it's only over here and it gives immense security. gives you an immense security. if want to your house, if you want to own your house, you able to do it. but you should be able to do it. but what we cannot do is start lending to people who lending money to people who cannot afford and this is cannot afford it. and this is what fear is where labour is what i fear is where labour is going down, because if you remember way back in, whatever it was 2008 or something, we had that awful fannie and

that awful fannie mae and freddie mac scandal over in america when they started lending money to people who hadnt lending money to people who hadn't got the money they lent 100% for them to buy places and then they got in a mess. and who bailed them out? the taxpayer. so that, i think, is what labour would be stacked up if they loosen much. but a lot of loosen it too much. but a lot of people might much to people might much prefer to rent. it's flexible , especially rent. it's flexible, especially when young . it's not when they're young. it's not a god given right, but it's a it's an aspiration which a lot of people have and everybody who has that aspiration should be warmly encouraged and helped to achieve it, but not at financial risk to the taxpayer . risk to the taxpayer. >> i think there's a sense of entitlement here. it's like previous generations owned their homes. why can't we? >> maggie thatcher came up with the idea 30 or 40 years ago, didn't she? what a vote. >> that was. selling off >> winner that was. selling off council yeah council houses. yeah >> and of course, there are now generations who own generations of people who own their from council their own homes from council areas they got heavily areas where they got heavily discounted houses. they're basically paying a rent and then got a massive discount. and now they these that have

they own these houses that have flourished in price. god flourished in price. the god given , don't much given right, i don't think much in is god given or a right in life is god given or a right to have or to own. i agree with christine. it was my aspiration to buy a house and pay my mortgage off. and that's something that i've done. and i made up with that. and i would urge everyone, if they can, they can afford it. that is to try and get themselves on the property ladder. the only thing is how expensive is at the moment how expensive houses and thing houses are. and the crazy thing is hear or we're anticipating is we hear or we're anticipating this bubble to burst. i can't see price this this see this price or this this housing bubble bursting housing market bubble bursting because tennis that will because the tennis that will dictate supply and demand dictate it is supply and demand and at the moment there aren't enough so you can well, enough houses. so you can well, we've uncontrolled we've got an uncontrolled immigration going we've got an uncontrolled iere've on going we've got an uncontrolled iere've got oing we've got an uncontrolled iere've got 7 ng we've got an uncontrolled iere've got 7 million people. >> we've got 7 million people. >> we've got 7 million people. >> intense. >> they're intense. >> they're intense. >> about it. oh >> don't worry about it. oh they're well they're they're in. well they're intense. but also the government are penalise are proposing to penalise the rental sector so that rental sector again so that private landlords at the moment, if you want you give somebody a proper contract. but if you want your flat or your house back at the of that contract, you the end of that contract, you can it. they going to

can have it. they are going to change all that so that you can only have it back if you want to live in yourself or if you live in it yourself or if you want to sell it. other wise, you'll to go to court. so you'll have to go to court. so people are just going to take you'll have to go to court. so peop properties going to take you'll have to go to court. so peop properties offng to take you'll have to go to court. so peop properties offng tymarket. their properties off the market. so private sector is so the private rented sector is going to shrink. there's a war on private landlords at the moment. >> going to disagree because >> i'm going to disagree because although i haven't got a socialist bone in my body and i'm capitalist, but one thing i'm a capitalist, but one thing that uncomfortable with are that i'm uncomfortable with are landlords with massive portfolios the portfolios of houses denying the opportunity people to opportunity of young people to get housing ladder and get on the housing ladder and i'll that. there's guy i'll qualify that. there's a guy in he's sold up in essex, i think he's sold up a really controversial guy, and i think he had about 2000 properties and i think that's too many. i think if you want 2 or 3, that's fine. i know people with 20, 25, 30 and they're at the first, they're at the front of the queue and they will pay more and they will take youngsters out of the market. and that's that's something i find slightly uncomfortable. >> but the vast majority of landlords country landlords in this country only have property. i mean, you have one property. i mean, you do get the fat cat inverted commas, vast majority commas, but the vast majority only have one, right? >> yes. yeah. it is.

>>— >> yes. yeah. it is. >> okay, well it's, if it's >> okay, well if it's, if it's a property that they're using as a retirement then that's fine. >> it's when mum have emm- >> it's when people have got ten, 15, 20, that's that, that is not the majority. >> and wants go back >> and nobody wants to go back to days of we had people to the days of we had people like were penalising like rackman who were penalising tenants they were living in tenants and they were living in terrible accommodation, etcetera, . but most etcetera, etcetera. but most landlords are , they've got 1 or landlords are, they've got 1 or 2 properties and yes, they have to be controlled. they can't just be allowed to let rip. but the way the government is proposing now combined with proposing it now combined with not enough houses, not building enough houses, there's going a there is a there's going to be a there is a massive housing shortage. >> well, the problem, >> well, this is the problem, isn't it? i mean, it's huge isn't it? i mean, it's a huge bitter again that labour's bitter row again that labour's and government expected and tories government expected to target building to miss its target of building 300,000 homes every year by the mid 2020s. the problem is we're not building enough houses for anyone, we? anyone, are we? >> well, the end the >> well, at the end of the second world war they built all these they were up these prefabs. they were put up very, very quickly. they weren't brilliant and they were actually they for very long they lasted for a very long time. can remember prefabs time. i can remember prefabs when growing up, they when i was growing up, but they are at least an immediate

solution to housing people. >> you raise >> it's interesting you raise that point because somebody >> it's interesting you raise that point iitcause somebody >> it's interesting you raise that point iit on se somebody >> it's interesting you raise that point iit on se soronyody >> it's interesting you raise that point iit on se soron social mentioned it on there on social media couple of days ago now media a couple of days ago now about prefabs for the migrants that are coming over here. what do feel about that? do we feel about that? >> well, they're just they're boxed houses. everything >> well, they're just they're bcthere.yuses. everything >> well, they're just they're bcthere. they're everything >> well, they're just they're bcthere. they're just everything >> well, they're just they're bcthere. they're just sorterything >> well, they're just they're bcthere. they're just sort ofthing is there. they're just sort of slot place. they're cheap. slot into place. they're cheap. they're easy to, easy to construct, etcetera . and they construct, etcetera. and they will give people a roof over their heads. >> danny, you remember the prefabs? >> no, he's not old enough. >> no, he's not old enough. >> may the youngest on the >> i may be the youngest on the panel >> i may be the youngest on the panel, so i'm going to i'm going to danny. i'm going to. to ask danny. i'm going to. >> you're cancelled. >> you're cancelled. >> this last show. >> this is your last show. >> this is your last show. >> i drive past them every now >> this is your last show. >> iagain. past them every now >> this is your last show. >> iagain. p.don't. m every now >> this is your last show. >> iagain. p.don't. butvery now >> this is your last show. >> iagain. p.don't. but iery now >> this is your last show. >> iagain. p.don't. but i tellow and again. i don't. but i tell you, when people have new housing developments, i think that by law , you're supposed that by law, you're supposed to have 25, 35% affordable have 25, 30, 35% affordable housing, affordable . yeah. so housing, affordable. yeah. so younger of younger people can sort of i don't know what the term is, but it's not by it's not right to buy, but it's some sort of 50/50 split with a house get . split with a house you get. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> with affordable housing. >> with affordable housing. >> yeah. affordable housing. yes, correct. >> yeah. affordable housing. yes, we'rerrect. >> yeah. affordable housing. yes, we're on t. >> yeah. affordable housing. yes, we're on a hamster wheel. >> but we're on a hamster wheel. aren't round and round aren't we going round and round and and we're never

and round and we're never catching because the catching up because the population is exploding so quickly. not building quickly. we're just not building enough to react to your for years. to react to your question about the migrants, you know, i think if i was a migrant, i'd be with anything. >> and i find that you are genuinely spoken for by a bunch of privileged, wealthy of really privileged, wealthy people who potentially are people who who potentially are turning other civil minded people against the situation. you know, if there's a roof over my head and there's a bed for me to sleep in and if i'm warm in the winter, i don't care. >> right. the other thing, we're going to run out talking is hotels. there aren't going to be any hotels in this house in this country any longer because they'll occupied. they'll all be occupied. well, that's danny that's what our panel, danny kelly hamilton think. >> but what do you think? this show nothing without you and show is nothing without you and your so let's welcome your views. so let's welcome some our british voices some of our great british voices this is your opportunity to be on tell us you on the show and tell us what you really the topics really think about the topics we're today. i'm we're discussing today. i'm joined by two of my voices. let's start with brian duggan from solihull. brian do from solihull. brian what do you make acceptable make about this is acceptable to. unacceptable to tell the working they can't own

home? >> well , i home? >> well, i don't think that home ownership is a as a god given right. but what i do think that the opportunity to own one's own home is a bedrock of financial emotional stability and security. >> and indeed helps families and society overall . um, so i do society overall. um, so i do think that in terms of family environment and well—being and i think that we should be trying in as much as is possible to do everything in our collective powers to ensure that more people have the opportunity, have the chance if they aspire to own their own home to do so. which is not to say that that is what everybody wants is as christine and danny have quite rightly pointed out , sometimes rightly pointed out, sometimes it's actually more convenient to be to be renting . but but i be to be renting. but but i think that scheme is such as the

mortgage guarantee scheme, the right to buy scheme. i think that anything that helps the overall situation should one aspire to do so , i think cannot aspire to do so, i think cannot be viewed by anybody as as to our overall detriment . our overall detriment. >> okay. and jacqui sampson joins us from saint albans. good afternoon, jackie. jacqui what would you like to subject my absolutely don't think it's a god given right for anybody to own their own home. >> it's always been for ordinary people . uh, a bit of a struggle. people. uh, a bit of a struggle. >> it's been a goal. it's been something people have walked to work hard towards. the prices have gone through the roof. so it's than ever. think it's harder than ever. i think the right to buy benefited the first two or couple of generations. but it took so many homes off the market and made the unrealistic property prices go through the roof . but like go through the roof. but like christine said , so many cultures christine said, so many cultures don't even have a big thing about owning home ownership in the states, in canada, in europe

. and i think we have an obsession in the uk about home ownership , which is great to ownership, which is great to have for the emotional security , as the last guy said, for investors . but it is , as the last guy said, for investors. but it is a , as the last guy said, for investors . but it is a goal, an investors. but it is a goal, an and it is attainable . but it's and it is attainable. but it's been hard work for most ordinary people, for most of the time. and i don't think there should be any particular right to own your own home other than hard work or if you're lucky enough to have the help up the ladder, which some people do have. >> that's great. thank you very much. that's jacqui sampson and bnan much. that's jacqui sampson and brian to gb views with brian duggan to gb views with their voices actually on the show, because it's your opinion and. absolutely. thank you so much for joining and. absolutely. thank you so much forjoining us. enjoy the much for joining us. enjoy the rest of your weekend. now joining us now to go through the biggest showbiz stories of the day, some good ones. coming up is entertainment and tv journalist robertson . journalist sarah robertson. sarah, good afternoon. thank you very forjoining us. right. very much forjoining us. right. okay what are the big stories? simon cowell there was a story today in the sunday papers about

simon cowell disappearing from our . our screens. >> that's right, dude. >> that's right, dude. >> can we believe it? >> can we believe it? >> simon cowell, who was the man really? >> who reinvented itv when he blasted onto the screens in pop idol over 20 years ago and was seen as reinventing itv's fortunes with all of his saturday night shows? he is reported to be retiring from showbiz and hanging up his showbiz shoes and those famous uniform he used to wear with the white t shirt and the high waisted trousers or high waisted jeans and going to retire in oxfordshire . now, this story is oxfordshire. now, this story is quite interesting because it's come on the back of simon selling up his £45 million mansion in holland park, london. and that was because he suffered, unfortunately , a very suffered, unfortunately, a very terrible burglary earlier this yean terrible burglary earlier this year, which really, really left him very, very shaken up and frightened, obviously, for his security , for the security of

security, for the security of and welfare of his family, his nine year old son, eric, and his fiancee, lauren silverman . fiancee, lauren silverman. >> so he was very scared by this and very shaken by it and has now moved away into the countryside in oxfordshire . countryside in oxfordshire. >> but it's said to be seeking a more quiet rest, essential >> but it's said to be seeking a more quiet rest , essential life more quiet rest, essential life away from the limelight. >> and it's really quite hard to imagine, uh , showbiz really imagine, uh, showbiz really without simon on on the showbiz circuit. he's been such a part of the showbiz press for two decades now with obviously his shows, the x factor , as i've as shows, the x factor, as i've as i've mentioned, pop american idol and the uk pop idol. >> and then we've obviously got britain's got talent and america's got talent. >> and we saw him on britain's got talent this year, and he will going over to america will be going over to america for america's talent as for america's got talent as well. >> but supposedly going to >> but supposedly he's going to be back and he's be taking a step back and he's handing over more the reins handing over more of the reins to lauren, his his fiancee, who's going to running the who's going to be running the business side of things. but i think, know, 63. he's

think, you know, he's 63. he's about to turn 64. >> is this not normal, dawn, that you've made? >> he's made 385, i will believe it when i see it. >> i've known simon campbell way too to long a believe much of what he says and certainly that he's going to disappear from our screen and from our lives. talking of disappear owing to other people said they were other people that said they were to going do that and then actually never did. and this is obviously meghan, obviously harry and meghan, and they of they seem to have some sort of feud going on with the beckhams at moment. what's going there? >> yes. now, this interesting >> yes. now, this is interesting because this precipitates because this this precipitates back the victorian davidson back to the victorian davidson brooklyn's wedding when he married nicole peltz last year. >> and they apparently weren't ianed >> and they apparently weren't invited to brooklyn's wedding, which everyone thought at the time was quite strange because they said that victoria and david had been invited to harry and meghan's wedding back in 2018. now this has moved on and apparently there's been this row between the beckhams and the markles, which is whereby apparently a phone call came and

the new york post is reporting between david and harry where the beckhams were accused of leaking stories and spreading stories about the sussexes. now we've seen prince harry's had form for this before. >> he's been suspicious of people in the past. >> i have society friends who have who have received these accusations before. even meghan was on the scene of when he was going out with cressida bonas, for example, that society friends of leaking friends were accused of leaking stories to press about him stories to the press about him and girlfriend. so can and his girlfriend. so. so i can actually believe that side of things. there a slight things. but there is a slight inaccuracy here, which i just want point that is want to point out and that is which might not realise which people might not realise the relationship. dawn between victoria and david beckham and the royal family was never with prince harry and meghan markle. the friendship has always been between david and victoria and kate and william, the prince and princess of wales. >> that has always been the fundamental royal friendship. >> obviously the beckhams were very friendly with harry and

meghan in the sense of it was it was william's brother. he's prince harry of course, you know. and they were very flattered to be invited to the wedding, but they've never really a close friendship. really had a close friendship. and i pointed this out at the time when they weren't invited to brooklyn , brooklyn beckham's to brooklyn, brooklyn beckham's wedding, relationship , the wedding, the relationship, the friendship always between friendship was always between kate and william and david. >> so because of the there's history here. >> thank you so much. that's our sarah—louise robertson for bringing up on the show biz week. thank you for joining bringing up on the show biz week. thank you forjoining us week. thank you for joining us this afternoon, sarah. okay. i'm glad i'm not a proper celebrity. aren't you? oh the cope aren't you? oh blimey. the cope with that that world is just with all that that world is just so sort of plastic and fake and absurd. darling you're absurd. yes, darling, you're wonderful. you're wonderful. i love they're coming to love you. they're not coming to the make sure they're the wedding. make sure they're cancelled. right okay. now, actually, we have to because actually, we have to get because we do at the end of this show, something called the sunday supplement, where supplement, which is where i let them basically take over. it gets dangerous , especially when gets dangerous, especially when you've got someone like danny. well, on the show, danny kelly,

your sunday supplement is going to be heavily censored. i'm sorry . well, look, it's far sorry. well, look, it's far away. the summer is always silly season for the press and the tabloids. >> so the daily express have got the uk's rudest place names , and the uk's rudest place names, and there's top ten of which i'm there's a top ten of which i'm only allowed to read out five. so you need to use your imagination if you think these are bad. so these are actual town and village names have a fancied a visit to in in dorset and a recurring problem is that they're always apparently people are stealing the signs. i just need to adjust my seat. sandy balls . no. now that's not a balls. no. now that's not a physical condition of mine. that's actually a little town . that's actually a little town. that's actually a little town. that's actually a little town. that's actually a little town somewhere in hampshire. pitshill in oxfordshire . and again, these in oxfordshire. and again, these are the ones i'm allowed to read out. >> so these are these are proper. we're not making this up. no, we're not. we're not been drinking. it's a proper name. >> we're not being pure. this is a serious journalistic

investigation town investigation into unusual town names it to the top names alley made it to the top ten and final one. i'm ten and the final one. i'm allowed to read out is up in aberdeen, in north of the border. broken wind. now, i know, christine, sandy balls is something wanted something you wanted to speak about right? >> but unfortunately , >> well, but unfortunately, we're running out of time. oh, we're running out of time. oh, we must been sandy balls. >> i know sandy balls. i used to live near sandy balls, and they're just very, very quickly. in the 1960s, there was nudist in the 1960s, there was a nudist colony balls enough in the 1960s, there was a nudist colcnearest balls enough in the 1960s, there was a nudist colcnearest pub balls enough in the 1960s, there was a nudist colcnearest pub was s enough in the 1960s, there was a nudist colcnearest pub was called gh in the 1960s, there was a nudist colcnearest pub was called the the nearest pub was called the inn.theinn the nearest pub was called the inn. the inn at sandy balls. now. okay, now that's enough of christine sandy balls. >> thank you much for joining >> thank you so much forjoining us afternoon . it's been us this afternoon. it's been huge of fun . it's been a huge amounts of fun. it's been a delight and what a what a hi to end on christine hamilton's sand balls danny sandy ball danny sandy balls leave my sandy balls out of it. thank you so much for joining us. it's been wonderful to have you watching us this afternoon. thank you. our afternoon. thank you. to our christine hamilton and danny kelly, thank you so much for joining us. have a lovely rest of your sunday and we'll see you tomorrow. thank you.

>> the temperature's rising . >> the temperature's rising. boxt solar power sponsors of weather on . gb news. hello there. >> i'm jonathan vautrey here with your latest gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. you might be hoping for a change of type in our weather over the next few days, but it is unfortunately looking to remain relatively unsettled. this pressure this area of low pressure throughout sunday is throughout the rest of sunday is going pushing in from the going to be pushing in from the atlantic with these weather fronts providing fronts already providing rain into some into south—west england. some heavier wales, heavier bursts for wales, northern on into northern ireland later on into northern southeast northern ireland later on into northern also southeast northern ireland later on into northern also turninthheast northern ireland later on into northern also turning fairly .t northern ireland later on into northern also turning fairly damp england also turning fairly damp and grey the breeze and grey as well. the breeze will be building, particularly gusty coastal areas gusty along some coastal areas as the rain gradually pushing its into scotland overnight. its way into scotland overnight. but far of scotland but the far north of scotland should stay largely dry with but the far north of scotland shoulyclear largely dry with but the far north of scotland shoulyclear intervalst with but the far north of scotland shoulyclear intervals and ith some clear intervals and actually relatively actually turning relatively chilly those clear chilly underneath those clear skies, down to low as five skies, down to as low as five degrees celsius in some rural villages elsewhere, will villages. but elsewhere, it will be milder start be a much milder and humid start to morning , with to monday morning, with outbreaks of rain still continuing across the channel islands, of islands, southern coast of england. a brighter spells

england. a few brighter spells trying to into the trying to develop into the afternoon so might actually afternoon so it might actually make it feel a touch warmer on monday sunday for make it feel a touch warmer on mond of sunday for make it feel a touch warmer on mond of wales. sunday for make it feel a touch warmer on mond of wales. south sunday for make it feel a touch warmer on mond of wales. south westay for parts of wales. south west england, but still with showers around times, rain that around at times, the rain that will its way into will progress its way into scotland, though that will probably feel rather probably make it feel rather cooler compared to sunday here. temperatures ranging between 17 and 22 c, some of those showers and 22 c, some of those showers and outbreaks of rain will still be lingering first thing on tuesday potentially be lingering first thing on tuesd heavy potentially be lingering first thing on tuesdheavy for potentially be lingering first thing on tuesd heavy for partstentially be lingering first thing on tuesd heavy for parts of tially be lingering first thing on tuesd heavy for parts of wales. quite heavy for parts of wales. southern thing, southern england, first thing, but few brighter, sunnier but a few brighter, sunnier spells once again, trying to develop there. so a bit more develop in there. so a bit more sunshine monday in sunshine compared to monday in general but further wet and general, but further wet and windy weather the cards, windy weather is on the cards, particularly head towards particularly as we head towards wednesday. the rest wednesday. enjoy the rest of your by by the temperatures your day by by the temperatures rising boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on .

stop illegal migration, she says the attorney general and lord chancellor need to take action over how law firms behave . that over how law firms behave. that says the number of channel crossings continues to climb

with more than 14,700 people intercepted in small boats so far this year. dame pretty warns the clock is ticking for the government to implement its new illegal migration bill >> you need a deterrent factor for a start. and removals and returns. my rwanda plan was central to that. the returns agreements that i have put in place and others are now putting in place. we have to get planes leaving the country and show that if you come here illegally, you can't just get a free pass being firm is actually the stance that we should take, and that means removing people and returning to other third returning people to other third countries or country of origin , countries or country of origin, says dame. >> pretty . also spoke to camilla >> pretty. also spoke to camilla tominey about the net zero target, saying the government needs to press pause on the 2020 2050 climate goal . 2050 climate goal. >> public are not ready for this and importantly, we cannot just have this state, the government , central government, just sort of saying , oh, across again, of saying, oh, across again, institutions, local councils, county councils , these are the county councils, these are the

targets that you have to meet when