owi'i own rather than produce our own rather than importing it from other parts of the world. i'd rather think for once, perhaps the pm has got this right. but before all of that and my little announcement , let's get the news with polly middlehurst . middlehurst. >> nigel. thank you. good evening. the top story from the newsroom teachers are no longer on strike as all four teaching unions in england accept a 6.5% pay unions in england accept a 6.5% pay rise that means all industrial action is now being called off following walkout in state schools since february. in a dispute over pay the education secretary gillian keegan welcomed the decision, saying it brought an end to disruption in classrooms . as the prime classrooms. as the prime minister says, the planned expansion of oil and gas drilling in the north sea is entirely consistent with his government's net zero plan. former energy minister chris skidmore , however, criticised skidmore, however, criticised the plan, saying voters would vote with their feet as they

looked for policies which protected the environment. rishi sunak says the plan is better for energy security and better for energy security and better for jobs as members of the conservative party have issued a joint letter to the chancellor concerning the natwest de—banking scandal. concerning the natwest de—banking scandal . while the de—banking scandal. while the letter, which is signed by several mps, including sir iain duncan smith, warns that the financial conduct authority may have inadvertently encouraged a culture within banking that led to nigel farage losing his coutts account. they say the fca should be investigated . the should be investigated. the journalist and politician vladimir kara—murza has lost his appeal against a 25 year prison term in moscow . the dual russian term in moscow. the dual russian and british citizen was jailed in april for opposing russia's invasion of ukraine. the prime minister called for his immediate release, describing russia's actions as desperate and unfounded . and now a win for and unfounded. and now a win for the public. everyone has a right

, apparently, to wild camp in dartmoor national park. that's according to a new ruling by the court of appeal. it comes after a high court judge previously ruled against granting people the right to pitch tents overnight without first obtaining landowners permission . two farmers brought a successful legal challenge against the dartmoor national park authority, arguing that campers could destroy the environment. the park authority asked appeal judges to overturn the ruling early this month . and the ruling early this month. and in cricket , the ruling early this month. and in cricket, england the ruling early this month. and in cricket , england have beaten in cricket, england have beaten australia by 49 runs in the fifth ashes test to secure a 2—2 series draw. stuart broad as well . getting the dream finish well. getting the dream finish he wanted by taking the last two wickets as he headed into retirement with a 49 run win, it ensured ben stokes side levelled the series all out for 334. broad produced what's being described as a fairy tale finish to his career. after announcing his retirement from the game

just last week with gb news across the uk on tv in your car , on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play . smart speaker by saying play. gb news. >> good evening . well, i knew >> good evening. well, i knew when i blew the lid off the de—banking situation, i found myself in, i knew it was much bigger than anybody realised. little did i know that an foi received by the mail on sunday. now suggests up to 1000 bank accounts a day are being closed in this country and that is five times the number it was back in 2015. and i certainly know from my website, from my inbox , both my website, from my inbox, both to me and to gb news, the amount of fear, pain and anguish it's causing people and the number of businesses that are being destroyed, small businesses being destroyed because of it.

well, with the natwest saga, things moved very quickly last week. on friday morning, i wondered, could sir howard davis, the self—declared chair person of the natwest group, could he really survive, given that it was him who had backed dame alison rose staying in post.7 but no, he said he was going to stay. but it's okay because he's announced an independent review into why my accounts were closed. what the politics behind it was . oh, and politics behind it was. oh, and of course the leak to the bbc itself . and who's he appointed? itself. and who's he appointed? well he's appointed a city law firm called travers smith. they will do the inquiry. the emeritus chair and the senior consultant from that company has described brexiteers as being a chauvinistic xenophobe phobic, racist and nostalgia . sick. so racist and nostalgia. sick. so he'll be investigating the accounts file that used exactly the same words about me. it is a

complete and utter whitewash, a total farce and how this man, sir howard davis, is allowed to continue. i simply don't know what of my situation. well, the new ceo of coutts, mo, said somebody who's held very senior positions within that bank, he's now the boss and he has written to me to say i can keep both my personal and my business accounts and that's good. and i thank him for it. but enormous harm has been done to me over the course of the last few months. i have been lied about. i've had to put into the public domain defamatory material about me , things that were in that me, things that were in that report about links with russia, other various unpleasant things are being used constantly online against me. some of them were issues that i thought had gone away years and years ago, so it has taken up a huge amount of my time and it has cost me so far quite a lot of money in legal

fees. so i have today sent a legal litigation letter to coutts where i want some full apologies. i want some compensation for my costs, but more important than all of that, i want to to face face meeting with the bank's bosses. i want to find out how many other people in coutts or natwest have had accounts closed because of their political opinions and i want to make sure this never happens to anybody else, ever again. so the fight goes on. in again. so the fight goes on. in a moment i'll be talking to ian duncan smith. he has sent a letter signed with others to the fca , the regulatory body and fca, the regulatory body and he's saying to jeremy hunt, please investigate this because it could be that this whole culture, this whole politicisation is actually coming from the regulator. but pnor coming from the regulator. but prior to that, there's outrage in an essex town after one of the area's most exclusive brand new apartment complexes has been

turned over to a group of asylum seekers. yep, the migrants are now living in high end accommodation accommodation which could sell for £400,000 plus, while locals desperate for a decent place to live are being housed in substandard conditions with mould and damp . our home. with mould and damp. our home. and security editor mark white has this exclusive report. and a report, by the way, that's come to us because one of you a sharp eyed viewer, told us it was going on. so please farage at gbnews.com keep those stories coming in. here is mark white's package from chelmsford and it's billed as one of chelmsford's most sought after residential complexes , a multi—million pound complexes, a multi—million pound conversion of an old office block into luxury apartments . block into luxury apartments. >> the marketing photographs show just how comfortable these flats are, but for now , at flats are, but for now, at least, none of the 98 units here are for local use turned over. instead to the home office to

house asylum seekers . dozens of house asylum seekers. dozens of migrants have already moved in the refurbishment work on the remaining apartments is almost complete . complete. >> the mould was all up there, all around, down the floors, along all the pipework and across the ceiling and just running down the walls. it was absolutely disgusting. >> tasha burgess moved into this damp and mould infested property in chelmsford five years ago . in chelmsford five years ago. only last year was the family finally moved out while those problems were fixed east, but not before she and her children developed chronic respiratory ailments . ailments. >> it's very frustrating that that people can come illegally and get the accommodation when you've got people that are homeless. not by fault that need accommodation as well . and a lot accommodation as well. and a lot of families that are not in suitable accommodation size ehhen suitable accommodation size either, and it squashed in flats and stuff, waiting on lists for months and months or years even i >> -- >> the local council says it has

only limited grounds for a legal challenge against the home office and does not intend to take court action. local campaign groups say the housing of asylum seekers in luxury apartments sites is grossly unfair when more than 400 chelmsford families are in temporary accommodation . many of temporary accommodation. many of those properties in substandard condition . condition. >> they are illegally here and yet they're living in absolute luxury. and i think that's what's frustrating and annoying. so many people is that they're getting everything and people living in some of these places that we last year during the that we see last year during the damp and you wouldn't damp and mould, you wouldn't have dog in it because it have put a dog in it because it was disgusting. with the bibby stockholm barge stockholm accommodation barge receiving its first asylum seekers and more arriving at the former wethersfield airbase in essex, the government says it's committed to moving away from expensive hotels , but this expensive hotels, but this luxury apartment complex surely cannot be what the home

secretary meant by a move to more basic accommodation for asylum seekers . asylum seekers. >> as mark white, gb news, who's in chelmsford . in chelmsford. >> so how about that? you cross the english channel in an inflatable dinghy, you go into a luxury apartment. no electricity bills, no gas bills. i would think local residents are really pretty angry. mark white gb news home and security editor, joins me . mark this is the first case me. mark this is the first case like this we've seen. i think i think to this degree, of course , the government has house seized people asylum seekers in council housing stock. >> that's part of the process . >> that's part of the process. do you stay for a while in a hotel and then you moved on to council housing stock, but actually to take over a luxury apartment and it's brand new. yeah yeah. it's not it's not gone yet. on sale to the public. they've clearly come up with a deal that the home office has

offered the developer, whatever it is , for a year and a half or it is, for a year and a half or two years to allow these asylum seekers in the developer has gone for that and they're . the gone for that and they're. the 98 different units. there's one bedroom, two bedroom, three bedroom, two bedroom, three bedroom apartments that these asylum seekers will be in at a time where, as i said in the report, there, there are 400 plus families in the chelmsford area in temporary accommodation themselves desperately want a decent and safe home and many of them living in substandard accommodation. >> i mean, you know , was the >> i mean, you know, was the local council saying about this ? >> well, 7— >> well, it's 7 >> well, it's the ? >> well, it's the local 7 >> well, it's the local council say that they are quite limited in what they can do in terms of taking legal action against the home office. so the legal advice that they've taken from their lawyers has prompted them to take no action. so they won't be challenging this this decision by the home office because west lindsey, district council did take legal action over scampton,

didn't they ? yes. i mean, didn't they? yes. i mean, there's certainly legal avenues, but they've decided on taking the advice from their lawyers that it's not worth pursuing any kind of legal challenge to the home office at this stage. so as angry as those local constituents are , there are constituents are, there are councillors were not minded to 90, councillors were not minded to go, which i find that extraordinary. >> so it doesn't seem to matter, does it, whether it's hotels , does it, whether it's hotels, hundreds of hotels filling up all over the country, whether it's the busters home scampton , it's the busters home scampton, whether it's a barge going into portland harbour, whether it's luxury apartments in chelmsford , it doesn't seem there's any solution that local populations find acceptable . find acceptable. >> no, because what you're seeing with all of those barges and former air bases and the like are just ways of managing those who are coming across the engush those who are coming across the english channel. >> we have some breaking news as the home office has decided not to move migrants into the bibby

stockholm barge tomorrow after last minute meetings responding to fire safety concerns. still a possibility that migrants are moved later this week. individuals have already been given notices of transfers , so given notices of transfers, so they're not going to be moved in tomorrow. so, yeah, i mean, there was some talk this morning . whether it's right or not, i don't know that this could be a floating grenfell. >> yeah, i think, you know, slightly overegging it there but dorset fire and rescue carried out an inspection of the barge as they would for any structure that's going to house a number of people. >> and they came up with some concerns and deficiencies that they said had to be rectified. so clearly acting on that, the home office have decided that they're not putting any asylum seekers in this week at least. yeah, it's another blow because it just comes on the back of an admission by the home office that a move to put asylum seekers into scampton , which was seekers into scampton, which was due to take place later this month, is now not going to take

place until october because they've not been able to find people to carry out surveys for the 14 accommodation blocks that these people will be in. there are also struggling to find skilled people to carry out the work that they need to reconnect all the utilities as so as we said before, this breaking line, it's all about managing the numbers that keep coming over. yes. and at the end of the day, that's not what's being addressed . and they are almost addressed. and they are almost shy of 15,000 who've come across this year already, nigel. and we're not even into the real flat calm months where it will be very, very busy with a thousand a day at times coming across. >> i mean, given the weather, we've had three weekends in a row of strong winds in the channel row of strong winds in the channel, but it will end at some point. and yes, i mean, the biggest days last year were towards the end of august, but actually big numbers were carrying right carrying on right through september, . and september, october. and of course, sea temperature is course, the sea temperature is warmer that end of the year

warmer at that end of the year than and any than it is now. and any prospect, you know , the illegal prospect, you know, the illegal migration bill which spent all that time going back and forth from the house of lords, any indications of any fundamental changes coming down the track? well i mean, the illegal migration bill was meant to sort of complement the likes of the rwanda policy so that if you came across the channel you would be declared ineligible really to claim asylum. >> you would either be returned to your home nation. that's not going to happen in the vast majority of cases because they throw away their identification documents or they're from countries like syria, iraq, iran , and that we don't have returns agreements with. so you can never go to that. so they rely on a third party country, rwanda , as their go to country to send these asylum seekers to. but that's been declared unlawful by the court of appeal. so that's got to go to on the supreme court. i think it's unlikely that if anybody ever does head

for rwanda, that it'll be happening this year. i think you're probably right. >> mark, thank you. and yeah, the only way through this is going to be some really radical action by government upsets action by government that upsets the international but the international community. but if do it, i'm if australia could do it, i'm sure could a moment. it's sure we could in a moment. it's back de—banking scandal back to the de—banking scandal and it is a scandal. and ian duncan smith believes fca duncan smith believes the fca may be partly to blame. maybe the regulator is encouraging the wrong culture. all of that in just a

the financial conduct authority are supposed to be the guardians of our financial services system and industry. and let's face it, it's the biggest business in this country. it matters hugely for jobs. no, not just in the forjobs. no, not just in the city of london and canary wharf, but in every major town and city in this country. but there are some who fear it's the culture within the fca that might be

causing part of the problems leading to the de—banking of people like me. accordingly, sir ian duncan smith, conservative member of parliament for chingford and woodford green heads a list of distinguished names who've written to the chancellor of the exchequer, jeremy hunt, asking for an jeremy hunt, asking him for an inquiry. and i'm pleased to say that sir ian joins me down the line now. ian, good evening . line now. ian, good evening. welcome to the program . i welcome to the program. i understand from the letter what you're concerned about is something called esg , a culture something called esg, a culture that seems to be adopted by the fca, encouraged it onto the banks and others. could you just explain to the audience, please , what esg actually is . well the , what esg actually is. well the fca, the financial conduct authority , is the regulator for authority, is the regulator for the financial services system. >> it's meant really to protect consumers and to make sure that the banks don't it don't do things that are wrong and into that they've they've introduced

this terrible piece of regulation, which i think really originally flowed from the european union, which is the environmental and social governance requirement. it's very woolly, it's very loose, it's ill described. and for the most part, their guidance on it is also pretty hopeless. and that means essentially that they're in a way free. and that's how many of them have interpreted to actually make judgements about people way beyond the circumstances of the original idea. beyond the circumstances of the original idea . so, for example, original idea. so, for example, if you are politically exposed person, of course you are. i am too. according to them . and that too. according to them. and that means basically that they can then decide, well beyond the financial reasons why you might have been in that capacity. maybe your views, maybe your beliefs, maybe they just don't like the way that you get your suits made or not made, you know, anything at all, it appears, can be in that nonsense as had put with. as you've had to put up with. and so we're concerned and so what we're concerned about saying to the about is saying to the chancellor, just look into chancellor, don't just look into the individual banks because so much thanks to your

much of this thanks to your saga, that's been going on, we've discovered so many people have actually been caught up in this ridiculous nonsense . and this ridiculous nonsense. and the fca has done absolutely nothing to stop it and re correct it, which they should have done also, by the way, they then criticised the chancellor in unofficial briefing, saying that he essentially shouldn't have been interfering in the banking rules themselves and of course they had to backtrack on that pretty quickly. but that's pretty appalling really. >> yeah, there were media reports that some in fca reports that some in the fca were very upset dame alison were very upset that dame alison rose broken the most rose having broken the most bafic rose having broken the most basic of banking, namely basic rule of banking, namely confidentiality , that they were confidentiality, that they were upset that she'd gone. i mean, is this a case of perhaps what jeremy hunt needs to do is something quite radical with this regulator. >> i think it's absolutely vital . now we get right to the roots of this problem. sadly for you. but what you've managed to expose has made everybody rethink the nature of the

regulations of our banks and what's actually happened quite clearly is you've got a bunch of people now in highly paid jobs. i mean, get £5 million a year for heading that place up. that's what i call a highly paid job. and they are able now to bnng job. and they are able now to bring across what i think is their virtue signalling to all their virtue signalling to all the minority groups to decide that somehow they want be that somehow they want to be popular. you bankers have popular. you know, bankers have never popular the never really been popular in the past, but now they seem to be a craving to be popular with a few people probably don't people that probably don't really even them anyway. so really even like them anyway. so the is , is that they've the reality is, is that they've now working on getting now been working on getting people out under these regulations that they don't like. they like your like. they don't like your views, they don't like the way you present them. so they you present them. and so they say, something say, well, there's something wrong with these people. that's not to do. not what they were set up to do. that's the original that's not what the original regulations were. so we to regulations were. so we need to take serious look at this take a very serious look at this and change it so that banks in the future won't do if the future won't do this. if they do, then they can be sanctioned. >> yeah. and just a final thought, ian, on this. mean, thought, ian, on this. i mean, if right that up to a

if it's right that up to a thousand people day are having thousand people a day are having their accounts be they their accounts closed, be they either personal business, either personal or business, isn't with this isn't it astonishing with this going we have not had going on that we have not had a dicky bird out of the fca on this ? this? >> yes. and there's been a lot of people asking questions of them. but they've just dismissed it as sort of partial nonsense and something to do with the banks. reality is most banks. the reality is most politicians, i think, who are active have probably fallen foul of this, and certainly their families have, too. we heard from one cabinet minister, but also others myself included, excuse me, have have also fallen foul of this. their children have faced it as well as adults. so i think this is now we're beginning to get to the bottom of what is really a much bigger problem. it's a problem really, that the establishment in this country dislike country seems to dislike anybody. that may be a concern of it may actually be a brexiteer or whatever, and therefore wants to bring to bear their own views of where they should be. and that's quite wrong. we don't need to be judged by the bankers. it is

quite wrong, as found quite wrong, as i found out myself. >> thank you for >> sir ian, thank you for joining us here news. and joining us here on gb news. and do us know what do let us know what the chancellor with. chancellor comes back with. we're fascinated this we're fascinated by this subject. thank you. now this doesn't just affect you . we doesn't just affect you. we heard yesterday that cabinet ministers having terrible trouble because of pet status. i said the other day that what may happen here is we'll discourage people for going into public life. well, here's a very good example. james giles is a councillor in kingston and leader of kingston leader of the kingston independent residents group , independent residents group, which is james a registered political party. it is, yeah. you're registered with the electoral commission and you stand at elections on that ticket and you're engaged. you've got your own local manifesto and what you fight for, what you believe in. you've got a couple of elected councillors of which you're one, but you're having problems. >> well , yes, we are, but you're having problems. >> well, yes, we are, nigel. and i find it staggering. so hsbc wrote to us during the covid lockdown and said without any explanation, we're changing the

terms of your bank account. we're going to start levying fees on every transaction that you make and you're going to have a fee. just have the account and all these things which a community group, a small organisation like ours ordinarily we wouldn't have to put up with . you know, we're a put up with. you know, we're a small p political and i'm guessing imagine, i'm guessing very small political sums. oh, quite, absolutely. almost certainly less than £1,000 a yeah certainly less than £1,000 a year. oh gosh, the only time we broke i think a thousand was in an election year. you know, we really are talking £100 for a leaflet here. £100 there. and so we tried to reach out to other banks. to natwest , who banks. we went to natwest, who our treasurer has personally banked with for over 20 years. they our application and they took our application and came back and said , nope, we're came back and said, nope, we're not going to bank you. we went then to tsb. we thought , we'll then to tsb. we thought, we'll try one of the smaller banks if you so we put in an you like. so we put in an application with them and they said, no, we're not going to bank you. and thought, well, bank you. and we thought, well, i the time banked i personally at the time banked with and have with metro bank and they have a branch kingston and they're

branch in kingston and they're meant to be quite community minded went to metro minded. and so we went to metro bank there they say they do bank and there they say they do people so people people banking. so sat down, conversation down, had a lovely conversation with the bank manager who said, yeah, we've had of groups yeah, we've had loads of groups coming us recently. people coming to us recently. people like yourselves and even at the time the almost diminishing local branch of ukip apparently seeking to bank with the metro bank. yeah. wouldn't be a problem at all. leave it with us. we'll get that open for you two weeks later. we're not offering you a bank account. >> yeah. and gina miller had an account at monzo. and there's some argument the some argument about whether the account open correctly, but account was open correctly, but their account was closed. and it's level, isn't it's wrong at any level, isn't it? the thing that really gets me and why me about this, james, and why it's to on is that it's good to get you on is that local democracy matters. it really does matter hugely . and really does matter hugely. and liz truss wrote a piece in the sunday telegraph sort echoing sunday telegraph sort of echoing a been saying, a bit what i've been saying, that you make it impossible that if you make it impossible for people to be involved as pubuc for people to be involved as public figures in politics, you diminish democracy in this country . country. >> we know you absolutely do. and i sit on the lga independent

group, which represents independent councillors from across the country, and it's becoming more difficult for becoming ever more difficult for people who want go against people who want to go against the duopoly, go against the grain and, know, stand for grain and, you know, stand for what believe in to actually what they believe in to actually get involved, you know, and if we didn't have bank we didn't have a bank account, i mean, can you imagine if went mean, can you imagine if i went to a resident wanted to give to a resident who wanted to give us paltry sum and said, just us a paltry sum and said, just give us a little bit of cash, love. know, it just would be love. you know, it just would be completely and utterly inappropriate. and if you don't have banking, you have access to banking, you cannot your basic cannot fulfil your basic democratic duties that you're trying to undertake this problem operates whole load of levels. >> know, we've got the small >> you know, we've got the small businesses banks don't businesses and the banks don't want cash. got the want their cash. we've got the branches over the branches closing all over the country . we have you seen this country. we have you seen this de—banking problem locally amongst ? yes. yeah. >> i mean, we've got a large ethnic minority population in my area in particular, and a number of those having trouble accessing banking in part because all the bank branches are closing down. we used to have from three seven banks on our high street, we now just

have one and it's building society. yeah. and it's becoming a real challenge. but what really troubles me is the fact that if you're trying to apply for a bank account, be you, a small political group, even a community group, banks can just turn around and say, no, you're not having an account and give not having an account and give no justification whatsoever. and it seems to be systematic bank after after bank. so we've after bank after bank. so we've now submitted subject access requests actually good in the last few days following the account closed campaign to try and get to the bottom of just exactly what it was that the banks so vehemently disagreed with, whether it was that we didn't think a local cycle lane should be built or whether it's the that we didn't want to the fact that we didn't want to increase tax. but increase council tax. but something's them and something's offended them and the point about account closed.org completely non—political. >> we don't take sides . it's >> we don't take sides. it's about what's right and wrong and david davis made these comments in the sun on sunday yesterday, which i really wanted to hear everyone should have the right to a account and certainly to a bank account and certainly be a legal registered political

party ought to be able to operate . thank you for coming operate. thank you for coming in. and sharing your story and the scandal unfolds, the more this scandal unfolds, the more this scandal unfolds, the you realise that it the more you realise that it operates on whole number of operates on a whole number of levels. now, rishi sunak has come out and said that up to 100 new will be approved new licences will be approved for sea drilling for oil for north sea drilling for oil and gas. he's also talking about and gas. he's also talking about a massive or two massive carbon capture storage facilities . so capture storage facilities. so firstly, is he right to get back drilling in the north sea and secondly, what about this carbon capture? does it actually work? all of that in just a

energy security matters . it's energy security matters. it's important. my goodness me. we've certainly learnt that, haven't we, since the invasion of ukraine. plus, at the same time a government and nearly all of parliament. absolutely committed to net zero targets. so the

prime minister speaking about the north sea today in clearer terms than he ever has before . terms than he ever has before. >> it's really important for everyone to recognise that even in 2050 when we are at net zero, it is forecast that around a quarter of our energy needs will still come from oil and gas. that's why technologies like carbon capture and storage are important . carbon capture and storage are important. but what is important then is that we get that oil and gas in the best possible way, and that means getting it from here at home. better for our energy security, not reliant on foreign for foreign dictators, better for jobs, example, 100,000 jobs, for example, 100,000 support here in scotland, but also better for the climate , also better for the climate, because if we're going to need it far better to have it here at home rather than shipping it here halfway around the here from halfway around the world two, three, four world with two, three, four times amount carbon times the amount of carbon emissions versus oil and gas emissions versus the oil and gas we have at home. so it is we have here at home. so it is entirely consistent with our plans get to net zero. plans to get to net zero. >> well, i have to say, those arguments i've been making for a very, very long time. i'm joined by tom burke, former government

adviser climate change and adviser on climate change and chairman tank e3 chairman of the think tank e3 g by 2050, even if we meet our net zero targets, we will still be using an amount of oil and coal i >> -- >> well, you know, i'm surprised that that prime minister , with that that prime minister, with his experience of banking, should believe energy forecasts any more than he would believe economic forecasts . they're economic forecasts. they're likely to be. well wrong. >> well, they may well be wrong , but the reality is that oil and gas are here for a long time, aren't they? >> now, i don't think that is the reality. if we go on burning oil and gas at the rate we're burning it now, and indeed, if we stop burning oil and gas, unless stop it very unless we stop burning it very soon, up not going to soon, we'll end up not going to the mediterranean for our holidays anymore. i don't holidays anymore. so i don't think people need to get think people need to need to get their around always their idea around this is always going the case just going to be the case just because in the past. >> but the argument is and whatever transition we make in energy, say we go for energy, let's say we go for nuclear a very way , you nuclear and a very big way, you know, we will, maybe we

know, maybe we will, maybe we won't we've asking that won't. we've been asking that question last 25 years, question for the last 25 years, but say we do go, you but let's say we do go, you know, nuclear. that'll be 10 know, for nuclear. that'll be 10 to 15 years before that comes on stream. problems stream. we know the problems with intermittent wind energy can good on good days and not can be good on good days and not so good on others. and we understand all these things. the point okay, the point. point is, all okay, the point. all the while we to use gas all the while we have to use gas and oil is at rishi, right? that it makes more sense to produce it makes more sense to produce it ourselves than to import it from around the world. >> well, no, it doesn't. and again, expect somebody again, you'd expect somebody with of banking with his experience of banking to we sell oil and gas to know that we sell oil and gas at prices. we're not at global prices. we're not going to sell them to ourselves at lower price than they'll be at a lower price than they'll be sold on market. whether at a lower price than they'll be sol produce market. whether at a lower price than they'll be sol produce it|arket. whether at a lower price than they'll be sol produce it at > but that aside, the argument, the c02 >> but that aside, the argument, the co2 argument, why not produce this stuff here under good conditions rather than importing it with long transport

distances is from areas that operate to lower environmental standards? >> you know, i'd start somewhere else. nigel. you know, you feel somebody was being pretty stupid. if they were trying to fill a bath with like putting the plug in and trying to deal with our energy security and our energy bills without, first of all, dealing energy all, dealing with energy efficiency really bad idea efficiency is a really bad idea . so if you're really worried about things you're worried about the things you're worried about, about the things you're worried abo but again, these things will >> but again, these things will take years years to solve. take years and years to solve. do think we should keep do do you think we should keep do okay, tom, do you if he's wrong, is import oil or is it better to import oil or produce which is better? >> well, i'm not going to go in for false choice, nigel. we for a false choice, nigel. we don't need tom. >> next year, we will be needing to oil and gas. to use oil and gas. >> yes, should the oil >> yes, we should use the oil and really clear. i've got and be really clear. i've got nothing against using the oil and we're currently and gas we're currently producing. is an argument producing. this is an argument about whether we to develop about whether we need to develop new 100 we don't new fields or 100 new. we don't need to develop new fields. the climate change committee says that really clearly. however, the reports the the daily telegraph reports the climate committee. having climate change committee. having said actual change said the actual climate change committee we don't need to

committee said we don't need to do it well, the international energy authority we don't energy authority says we don't need it. the need to do it. the secretary—general of the united nafions secretary—general of the united nations need to do nations says we don't need to do it. of course should go on it. so of course we should go on using and gas to. using oil and gas to. >> so sure, sector of the >> so sure, the sector of the united nations is a bannau guy with perfectly pleasant though he individual. really he is as an individual. really interesting. so we disagree on that. really interesting carbon interesting. so we disagree on that. reand interesting carbon interesting. so we disagree on that. reand storage.�*|g carbon interesting. so we disagree on that. reand storage. a carbon interesting. so we disagree on that. reand storage. a couple of capture and storage. a couple of big off humber, big plans. one off the humber, one off scotland. the government got a front end load, this with £20 billion of taxpayers . that's £20 billion of taxpayers. that's a big amount of money. it's going into this and can it going to go into this and can it actually work and can it work? >> probably . if you actually work and can it work? >> probably. if you put enough effort into doing something, the technological capacity is there . do we really know whether it's safe in the north sea under the nonh safe in the north sea under the north sea forever? probably not. but would it be safe enough ? but would it be safe enough? yeah, i'm not worried about the safety of it. what i'm really worried about it is who's it for? it's going help us for? it's not going to help us with using oil and gas. the with our using oil and gas. the only thing we really need carbon capture is particularly in a capture for is particularly in a few years, and humberside is one

of them where we have concentrations of hard to abate industries like cement, like smelting , yeah, like smelting smelting, yeah, like smelting for steel or ceramics. there are a few industries like that where we probably will need to use some carbon capture and storage . but will we need to use 20 billion quid's worth of it? probably not. so won't use it probably not. so we won't use it for it won't help us for energy. it won't help us with energy. for energy. it won't help us witiso energy. for energy. it won't help us witiso it'snergy. for energy. it won't help us witiso it's argy. for energy. it won't help us witiso it's a way of getting rid >> so it's a way of getting rid of co2, it's a way of burying it. >> it's a way it. — >> it's a way of it. >> it's a way of getting rid of c02 >> it's a way of getting rid of co2 from industry. >> and in practical terms, in practical terms, i've been practical term s, i've been heanng practical terms, i've been hearing about this for 25 years. yeah. literally we know i first went parliament. went to the european parliament. i saying, oh, it's fine. i was saying, oh, it's fine. we've got all wonderful we've got all these wonderful ideas groups ideas and lobby groups everywhere. invest everywhere. would you invest your into carbon your own money into carbon capture storage? capture and storage? >> no, i wouldn't. and nor do the which is you've the markets, which is why you've been hearing it for 25 been hearing about it for 25 years. the only people are going been hearing about it for 25 years.that only people are going been hearing about it for 25 years.that arey people are going been hearing about it for 25 years.that are governments, oing to do that are governments, whether they're i don't think it's be anywhere near it's likely to be anywhere near 20 the way. i 20 billion, by the way. and i doubt much whether it's doubt very much whether it's actually pay actually promised to pay it. i think may just have got the think he may just have got the headune think he may just have got the headline on that. but do we need

to invest something and will that to be public money? that have to be public money? think a very think of the co2 as a very hazardous waste and no, no, no, no, no. >> co2 essential life on >> co2 is essential to life on earth. >> well, no, it's essential to life on earth. >> i mean, pump it into >> i mean, we pump it into greenhouses make tomatoes greenhouses to make our tomatoes grow but it's not essential >> yeah, but it's not essential to economy. and then our to run our economy. and then our economy. it'sjust to run our economy. and then our economy. it's just a waste, which we have to deal with safely. well the great thing about on the about tom burke coming on the show disagree at show is we disagree at a civilised way. >> thank you as ever coming >> thank you as ever for coming on and making a counterargument to the government. now what the farage always been farage moment i've always been worried about everything becoming . you know, the becoming digital. you know, the risks of cyber attack or whatever it may be. well, the dark ford crossing has been a complete catasta me this weekend as they changed the dark tag rules and people going on line to pay their £2.50. i've had to queue and wait for an hour or longer and the whole thing is a complete blooming i say complete blooming mess. as i say , there are those who think everything becoming digitised has its benefit . yes, but you has its benefit. yes, but you know what? actually i think being able to speak to human

beings and not relying too much on this stuff makes sense. now, more seriously, what the farage at least i think seriously. let's see whether you agree or disagree. cost of coffee are putting out this advert right at the moment and it shows somebody with a cup of costa coffee whose breasts have been surgically removed and stitched up and doc martin's seemed to think this is a very good idea as well. and doc martin's now producing a boot. doc martin's now producing a boot . and again, it's got boot. and again, it's got a figure on there whose breasts have been surgically removed. i find this really quite astonishing . it is all part, astonishing. it is all part, apparently, of the diversity and inclusion agenda. we asked costa coffee about this and a spokesman said at costa coffee, we celebrate the diversity of our customers , team members and our customers, team members and partners. we want everyone that interacts with us to experience the inclusive environment that we create, to encourage people to feel welcomed, free and unashamed , oddly proud to be

unashamed, oddly proud to be themselves. the mural in its entirety shows faces and celebrates inclusive city. well, ihave celebrates inclusive city. well, i have to say, i. i find the whole thing truly an utterly extraordinary . we know there are extraordinary. we know there are a very, very tiny, tiny percentage of the population that choose that form of gender reassignment of mutilation. we know that some live to regret it. quite why big brands and big chains think they have to advertise this. i don't know. but maybe that is part of the rottenness that is going through the corporate culture right throughout everything from doc martens boots to my bank. uh, in a moment, hs2 to that great white elephant has been declared as being unachievable all in its first two phases. why do we go on pouring good money after bad

i really can't think of a number

of times in the last two years that i've sat in this chair that i've railed against hs2. it just seems to be the most astonishing waste of money and a project we were first told would cost 35 billion. then were told it billion. then we were told it could 55 billion. now it's could cost 55 billion. now it's going to cost well 100 going to cost well over 100 billion. not even billion. and it may not even work all. well, i'm joined by work at all. well, i'm joined by joe ventre, digital campaigns manager of the taxpayers alliance . now, joe, this isn't alliance. now, joe, this isn't just me railing against the railway . there is now actually railway. there is now actually an official body saying that it's unachievable. >> yes, absolutely . and i think >> yes, absolutely. and i think what we're seeing in this report from the ipa is an acknowledgement of what a lot of us have been saying. ipa yes, the infrastructure and projects authority, a serious body that looks things and looks into these things and rather independently way rather independently minded way . concluded is . and what they've concluded is phase and phase two phase one of hs2 and phase two are both in the red. frankly, that's how they put it. they're in the red. they are at risk of not being achievable. and at this point, what they're saying is that being at that stage

farage, the whole itself farage, the whole project itself could reviewed. could need to be reviewed. >> not achievable means, >> not being achievable means, number one, the budgets just been number been gone completely. but number two, it going two, the time frame, is it going to be 2041 before it's completed ? >> absolutely. that's how it's looking. the time frame is escalating. the costs are escalating. the costs are escalating. and frankly, the case for this project has completely fallen apart. it was already on shaky legs , but now i already on shaky legs, but now i think even bodies like the ipa are recognising that this project is for the birds . project is for the birds. >> now the case for the project was there is under capacity on the london to birmingham and then on to manchester line under capacity and that it's too slow. i've never agreed with the too slow because you can go from euston into manchester piccadilly in two hours and ten minutes or a little bit less than that, actually. so that's never bothered me. you know, getting manchester 20 minutes getting to manchester 20 minutes quicker me. quicker has never bothered me. but capacity has been a real issue or before the issue here. or was before the pandemic. issue here. or was before the parand ic. issue here. or was before the parand i . issue here. or was before the parand i think pandemic >> and i think the pandemic actually changed a lot of actually has changed a lot of things. we're things. of course, we're seeing a out london, the cost a move out of london, the cost of living in london is particularly high. and of

course, there now this course, there is now this problem where the terminus may course, there is now this proieven where the terminus may course, there is now this proieven reach the terminus may course, there is now this proieven reach london ninus may course, there is now this proieven reach london euston nay not even reach london euston itself. in old oak itself. it could be in old oak common. can't even a common. you can't even get a straight on from straight answer on that from government ministers. i think government ministers. so i think it's when you see it's no wonder when you see these kind of kerfuffles that these kind of kerfuffles that the project is now the the whole project is now in the red. >> last time i looked, >> now, the last time i looked, we'd sunk about billion we'd sunk about 8 billion sterling into is that sterling into this. is that figure than now? sterling into this. is that figlle than now? sterling into this. is that figli believe than now? sterling into this. is that figli believe it's n now? sterling into this. is that figli believe it's somewhere i? sterling into this. is that figli believe it's somewhere in >> i believe it's somewhere in the region of 19 billion. 19, yes. >> okay. because we were we were in about six months in uxbridge about six months ago. a massive ago. and this was a massive local the disruption that local issue. the disruption that was caused in that was being caused in that constituency. so the big question, joe ventry the one question, joe ventry and the one that struggled to answer to that i struggled to answer to without spilling into conspiracy theories about who might have been awarded the big contracts and is making the big money is why? why why oh why oh why are this government so committed to hs2? >> well, this is the thing, nigel. it's really hard to answer that question. i think you'd struggle to have government ministers up here telling you why at this point, the case has completely fallen apart, particularly recent apart, particularly so in recent

years we've seen living years where we've seen living habhs years where we've seen living habits change, we've seen habits change, where we've seen the of capital now going the cost of capital now going through the roof and cost through the roof and the cost benefit analysis don't even make through the roof and the cost b> so why? >> why indeed ? i wish i could >> why indeed? i wish i could answer it for you. and i think all of us are scratching our heads. but of course, this is the the iceberg. if you the tip of the iceberg. if you look the report today from look at the report today from the from the independent, from the infrastructure and projects agency. yes. know, is agency. yes. you know, this is one of, i believe, 244 projects. the majority of are the vast majority of which are in which means in amber rating, which means there concerns. so there are serious concerns. so i think there wider think there are wider institutional problems here where can't seem to get these where we can't seem to get these big projects over the line without wasting huge sums of taxpayers money and without them running way over time. >> we're living now >> i mean, we're living now with a rising tax burden. we're going to some more announcements to get some more announcements tomorrow on alcohol duties , tomorrow on alcohol duties, which will go up again on everything apart from very low alcohol beers or wines. so we pay alcohol beers or wines. so we pay more and more of our money in the form of direct and indirect tax every year. and yet it seems , it seems frankly , that

it seems, it seems frankly, that a lot of our money is being badly misspent. >> well, that's it. we've got a cost of government crisis as much as we've got a cost of living crisis. and i think we all need see that addressed all need to see that addressed because, you know, you and i are the people today are the people watching today are hard taxpayers wonder, the people watching today are hard where taxpayers wonder, the people watching today are hard where on'axpayers wonder, the people watching today are hard where on earth ers wonder, the people watching today are hard where on earth is; wonder, the people watching today are hard where on earth is allynder, the people watching today are hard where on earth is all myr, well, where on earth is all my money going? and i think when they see like if they see reports like this, if hs2 spiralling of control, hs2 spiralling out of control, one projects, which is one of many projects, which is doing rightly doing so, they're quite rightly going well, what on going to ask, well, what on earth am i working hard and paying earth am i working hard and paying all this tax for? >> are the big winners >> so who are the big winners out who's going to make out of hs2? who's going to make all money of this? is it all the money out of this? is it the construction companies? are they british firm s, international were they british firms, intebig:ional were they british firms, inte big winners? were the big winners? >> there's a of >> well, there's a lot of capital spending going isn't capital spending going on, isn't there? and i think there's been a you a lot of, you know, miscalculation land miscalculation in terms of land valuation. think that's a valuation. and i think that's a lot the reason why the ipa is lot of the reason why the ipa is saying that the costs are mounting. can tell you one mounting. but i can tell you one winner, nigel, and that seems to be mark thurston to me, the outgoing chief executive of hs2 limited. is limited. this, of course, is a man who was on over £600,000 a year as recently been

congratulated harper, congratulated by mark harper, the secretary, for congratulated by mark harper, the a secretary, for congratulated by mark harper, the a so—calledztary, for congratulated by mark harper, the a so—called fantastic job. doing a so—called fantastic job. i you know, like i mean, you know, rather like the boss of natwest. >> yes. >> yes. >> well, you know, i understand in those circumstances, you have to and say, oh, you've to be polite and say, oh, you've done job. done a good job. >> but mean, i think that >> but i mean, i think that takes biscuit, doesn't it? takes the biscuit, doesn't it? i mean, there's huge amounts of taxpayers money just sloshing around here and i think, my goodness, doesn't give goodness, if this doesn't give us intervene now, what us reason to intervene now, what will and the labour party, what do to say on hs2? do they have to say on hs2? well, i'm really hearing well, i'm not really hearing much from the labour party ehhen much from the labour party either, you know, either, but i think, you know, whether conservatives, either, but i think, you know, whetheone, conservatives, either, but i think, you know, whetheone, some�*rvatives, either, but i think, you know, whetheone, some government has labour one, some government has to come along. now have to come along. now and have the courage isn't courage to say this isn't working fundamentally, this isn't working. if we can't cancel of cancel it because of commitments, then we need to seriously when seriously downscale it when we can work the can and make it work for the lowest money possible. lowest amount of money possible. >> thank you for >> joe ventry, thank you for coming in joining me here on coming in and joining me here on gb news. and have to say, you gb news. and i have to say, you know, as you go around this country, you find that mobile phone is worse now than country, you find that mobile phone 20 is worse now than country, you find that mobile phone 20 ago.)rse now than country, you find that mobile phone 20 ago. i'm now than country, you find that mobile phone 20 ago. i'm not/ than it was 20 years ago. i'm not joking. know, the phone cuts joking. you know, the phone cuts out middle of london and out in the middle of london and all over the place. terrible phone this phone connectivity in this country in many cases and country and in many cases and

many actually , internet many places actually, internet coverage, internet speeds so slow that, you know, transferring files and videos is a very, very difficult thing to do. now, you know, i know that elon musk has come up with something called starlink, which can solve many of those problems. but, you know, that's £75 a month per house. and it's not actually in everybody's budget and pocket to do it . so budget and pocket to do it. so i have to say, i think spending that money on genuine connectivity in a modern 21st century rather than getting to birmingham and manchester a few minutes quicker, would make a lot more sense to me. now now, i've had a busy couple of weeks. i've had a busy couple of weeks. i was in here yesterday morning with camilla tominey on her show and i was able then to pop in to the oval on the way back . and of the oval on the way back. and of course i managed to watch the morning's play little bit in morning's play a little bit in the afternoon and of course, it rained , but it was a big shock rained, but it was a big shock that morning to learn that 37 year old in incredibly fit and i mean in incredibly fit. stuart

broad had announced his retirement from cricket . he retirement from cricket. he wanted to go out at the top. i watched him yesterday morning when i was there his last ball in test cricket . he walked over in test cricket. he walked over the boundary for six and today he took the last two wickets for england to level series at england to level the series at two. all we would have won 3—2. but weather in manchester but the weather in manchester is what robbed us. and his last ball in test cricket was a wicket. and talk about going out at the top. jacob unbuilt achievable end to broad's career and what a wonderful summer of cricket apart from the weather. indeed. >> but wasn't it an exciting finale? i was actually listening to it in the car on test match special and it looked as if australia were going to win. they really well and they were doing really well and then i one of the wickets then i missed one of the wickets because i in blackwall because i was in the blackwall tunnel there was no tunnel and there was no reception i got out. reception and i got out. >> i just said connectivity we need all the country and need all around the country and we four wickets 19 balls, we got four wickets in 19 balls, 11 runs, and suddenly we were back in with chance . back in with a chance. >> wrapped it all up i >> -- >> yeah. what a glorious end to an amazing career. what a lovely end brilliant career. end for a brilliant career. >> the broad anderson

>> and the broad anderson partnership . over 1000 wickets partnership. over 1000 wickets between them. i think 1029 wickets between just extraordinary i assume, jacob, your whole show is about cricket. what else could i be talking about? i've got david frost on lord frost, who obviously negotiated the brexit agreement and is now talking so much sense about so many things . particularly he's been talking about the green issues and how we should them . and the we should tackle them. and the prime seems prime minister seems to be taking on a lot of what david frost is saying. >> jacob. coming up in a >> great, jacob. coming up in a moment. first, let's get the moment. but first, let's get the increasingly awful english summer british weather . the summer british weather. the temperatures rising, boxt solar, proud sponsors of weather on . gb proud sponsors of weather on. gb news evening. >> i'm alex deakin and this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news should be a drier day tomorrow and many places will see some bright or even sunny spells. still quite breezy, however, and not particularly warm. and behind me there's another area

of low pressure lurking for wednesday . this of low pressure lurking for wednesday. this one brought of low pressure lurking for wednesday . this one brought the wednesday. this one brought the wet weather for much of the country still fairly country today, still fairly soggy out there this evening. some showers in places some heavy showers in places staying across staying pretty damp across eastern and southern scotland through but further through the night. but further south, will see some south, many places will see some lengthy, clear spells . and of lengthy, clear spells. and of course, northern scotland, where it's been for most of the it's been dry for most of the day. course, the far north, day. of course, the far north, at it'll stay dry at least it'll stay dry overnight. temperatures dropping to or celsius on to to about 13 or 14 celsius on to tuesday . and as i said, a dry tuesday. and as i said, a dry day. it doesn't mean completely dry. showers , dry. still a few showers, certainly initially across the south—west quite a grey south—west and quite a grey morning northwest england morning over northwest england with rain and with some outbreaks of rain and they'll only slowly ease off through the day. so it will be quite damp parts of quite damp here. parts of southern seeing some southern scotland seeing some showers northern showers north of northern ireland. said, for ireland. but as i said, for many, it'll be a drier, brighter day. lot of cloud, but day. still a lot of cloud, but a bit blue sky. we'll see bit of blue sky. we'll see temperatures getting into the low 20s across south, high low 20s across the south, high teens north. but then teens further north. but then that during that next low comes in during tuesday into the tuesday evening into the southwest. look at this, southwest. and look at this, a spell heavy rain coming in, spell of heavy rain coming in,

blustery showers falling on behind, on seasonably windy again along the south coast of england. so a wet spell coming in through the middle part of the week with, again, temperatures below average for the time of year. bye for now. >> the temperatures rising . boxt >> the temperatures rising. boxt solar probe sponsors of weather on .

gb news. hello >> hello. good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation. tonight he was compared by boris johnson , the great by boris johnson, the great frost of 1709. but i think he's more of a russian frost, frost of 1709. but i think he's more of a russian frost , the more of a russian frost, the sort that would send napoleon into exile on the island of elba. of course, i'm referring to the man who freed the united kingdom from the regulatory shackles of the european union. lord frost himself . but who

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