shockingly, the department and shockingly, the department of justice says that first time offenders, first time thieves, first time shoplifters should not be prosecuted , but should not be prosecuted, but should merely get a caution. i'll ask the question tonight does this open the door to mass offending on a scale we've never seen before .7 before all of that, before? before all of that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst . middlehurst. >> nigel, thank you. good evening. our top story from gb news tonight is that labour supporting unions have been accused of attempting to block the use of the bibby stockholm home to house asylum seekers . a home to house asylum seekers. a government source has described that as a betrayal of the country and of the british people. it's after the fire brigades union labelled the accommodation barge as a potential death trap and requested an urgent meeting with the home secretary about overcrowding and fire exit concerns. it could now be next

week before any migrants are moved to the vessel, which is currently moored off portland in dorset , a currently moored off portland in dorset, a man's been found guilty today of murdering his ten month old stepson, jacob crouch was found dead in his cot at his derbyshire home in 2020. he had suffered rib fractures and was bruised with internal injuries as well. craig crouch has been convicted of murder and three counts of child cruelty. the baby's mother, gemma barton, was also found guilty of child cruelty and causing allow or allowing his death. detective inspector paul bullock said he hopes the verdict will bring closure for jacob's wider family. it's clear from the evidence found on gemma barton and craig crouch's phones through text messages, videos and audio recordings that they were equally responsible for the culture of cruelty that was inflicted on baby jacob. >> as a father , i cannot >> as a father, i cannot comprehend what happened behind closed doors and my thoughts remain with jacob's wider family , who have been left devastated by his death .

by his death. >> labour is calling on the government to help evacuate british citizens from niger following a military coup in the country. other countries , like country. other countries, like france and italy have been flying their citizens out of the west african country after the army there overthrew the president last week . the foreign president last week. the foreign secretary, james cleverly , says secretary, james cleverly, says the government's top priority is to help british nationals out of the country . in the united the country. in the united states , the former president states, the former president donald trump, whose facing four new criminal charges will appear in court in washington , dc in court in washington, dc tomorrow. he's accused of conspiring to defraud the us by preventing congress from certifying joe biden's election victory in 2020. this is the third time in four months he's been charged as he campaigns to regain the presidency . here, a regain the presidency. here, a preliminary study has found. i may be able to help in the fight against breast cancer, researchers found computer aided detection could spot signs of the disease in mammograms at a similar rate to radiologists in

the study. ai supported screening detected more cancer cases than standard screening without generating a higher number of false positives. the nhs is now working on how it can get the technology into its breast screening programme . breast screening programme. you're watching gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker. by saying play gb news now though, it's . news now though, it's. farage >> good evening. well, once again, it's donald trump making global headlines. special counsel jack smith has laid four charges against the 45th president of the usa. it's around the events that took place on january the 6th. conspiracy to defraud the us , a conspiracy to defraud the us, a conspiracy to obstruct an official obstruction of proceedings. and the list goes

on. it's all about conspiracy . on. it's all about conspiracy. did donald trump, did he try and defraud the us ? did he try to defraud the us? did he try to conspire against the rights of citizens to stop officials? did he do all of those things or did he do all of those things or did he simply make a mistake? on january 6th? was it wrong ? was january 6th? was it wrong? was it stupid to hold a rally on that day, given the mood of the country and given his own criticisms of the electoral system ? um, and does this system? um, and does this improve , move or damage his improve, move or damage his chances of re—election ? it seems chances of re—election? it seems to me that as the indictment has mount up and as we hear that it joe biden as vice president, we're told, was on open calls, 23 times with his son hunter's business transactions as we get the tribal nature of american politics, those that hate trump will think this proves what a bad guy he is. those that love trump will think. this proves

that the whole system is rigged , but it's what does it do to those in the middle? what does it do to those are fair it do to those that are fair minded ? and i have to say, it minded? and i have to say, it seems with every indictment he gets stronger with his own base within the conservative and republican movement. and okay, i'll say it . you know, i'm a i'll say it. you know, i'm a friend of donald trump, but it does seem to me something here does seem to me something here does appear to be a conspiracy, not won by trump himself, but one against him. every attempt being made to stop him runs as president in november. 2024. i think all of this paints america in a very bad light, and i say that whether you like trump's personality or whether you don't. so tell me, what do you think? will this actually improve his chances of re—election ? give me your re—election? give me your thoughts, farage at gb news dot com. now, donald trump junior, the son of the 45th president

joins me down the line right now. don junior , let's be honest now. don junior, let's be honest about this is the scenes that took place this the storming of the capitol on january 6th, 2021. it was a pretty ugly event, wasn't it ? event, wasn't it? >> listen, i think it could be ugly. and yet you look at what happened for the 18 months prior to that, which got absolutely no attention, the ransacking of our cities, murder, rape , looting, cities, murder, rape, looting, arson during what the left dubbed the summer of love. what happenedin dubbed the summer of love. what happened in the united states. and i think what we're seeing right now, nigel, is just that a an unequal system of justice where people can ransack buildings , they can take over buildings, they can take over courthouses, they can take over entire sections of towns like they did in seattle. and portland to no consequence . and, portland to no consequence. and, you know, of course, someone who acts out of line and assaults a police officer. yes. they should

be in trouble. no one's questioning that. but when i see people put in jail for two years who are walking through the in between the velvet ropes, taking a themselves, not a selfie of themselves, not probably not even knowing they weren't supposed be there weren't supposed to be in there by that in time. that by that point in time. that doesn't paint a picture of the america that i know and love and if you look at what's going on as relates my father as it relates to my father right. indictment. right. another indictment. strangely, is strangely, the indictment is always fall a day after information about joe biden. his links to bribery scandals, credible evidence of money links where we're literally decisions could be being made because an enemy of our country or even an ally has information about the bidens. as with ukraine. right. credible information often comes out. the fbi, joe biden linked a $10 million bribery scheme for burisma . next day, trump burisma. next day, trump indictment number one. right hunter biden, information leak, sweetheart deal comes out, yadda, yadda, yadda. next day,

we're going to add on to what's going on with trump. i mean , going on with trump. i mean, yesterday, same thing . devin yesterday, same thing. devin archer, hunter biden's best friend, joe biden, took part in 20 plus phone calls . he knew 20 plus phone calls. he knew about it. he was the big guy. i got that. yada, yada, yada. >> the next day, another indictment. >> i mean, are we going to believe that this is all coincidence? >> i get that. >> i get that. i >> i get that. i get >> i get that. i get that. >> i get that. i get that. and i think there's a huge, huge shadow over joe biden's behaviour and in particular over hunter's. i agree with all of that. but if we think back to that. but if we think back to that of january 6th, there that day of january 6th, there was that took place. was a rally that took place. donald trump spoke rudy giuliani spoke in a pretty aggressive way . i mean, the accusation basically is that the 45th president incited people to storm the capitol . that's really storm the capitol. that's really what this is all about. >> what would you say to unless you listen to the words that came out of his mouth, nigel? >> i mean, peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard . i mean, it can't get any

heard. i mean, it can't get any more clear than that. but again, in the world in which we live today , it's okay if you're on today, it's okay if you're on the radical left, you can weaponize the entire federal government against your political enemies , whether it's political enemies, whether it's our department of justice , our department of justice, whether it's the fbi and those same forces will do whatever they possibly can in their power to protect their cronies and the alike. and that's why, you know, i don't believe any of this has anything to do with january 6th. if it did and if january 6th was everything that they said, why , everything that they said, why, why, why, nigel, did they wait two and half years to charge two and a half years to charge him? i mean, the people that were there that did those they were there that did those they were charged with that day, why did they wait two and a half years? >> i mean, is absolutely >> i mean, what is absolutely true, day after another true, the day after another breaking charge breaking news, they charge this. it's absolutely true, nigel. >> it was been underreported. i think, by much of american media is the point you made a moment ago. he did say go peacefully and that seems to be ignored by

many people. well, what's also, nigel, what's also under reported is, as we've seen from tucker carlson, the video and exculpatory evidence for so many people that were held in prison for two years, it turns out they did nothing wrong because a narrative was trying to be created right . created right. >> i've had darren beattie on my triggered podcast before. he's the guy from revolver news that broke the story about the bombs. you know, the bombs at the dnc and the rnc that day. how come we don't even hear about that? there's not even like an investigation . it's almost it's investigation. it's almost it's almost as though that was like the plan . if they weren't able the plan. if they weren't able to other things going on. to get other things going on. you have the, you know, hillary clinton stepping to in help or her attorneys stepping in to help ray epps, the guy on video seen storm the capitol, whatever it was that he was saying, or inciting that kind of violence , inciting that kind of violence, why on earth would hillary clinton's team, same clinton's legal team, the same d.c. lawyers that they

d.c. democrat lawyers that they would certainly never step in to defend trump or any other maga patriot would? they'd be helping this guy if it's a creation either way. it doesn't mean that there weren't a few people that did something wrong. but of course, if a million people show up and five people act terribly, that's not an indictment. >> let's be clear, nigel. >> let's be clear, nigel. >> let's be clear. nobody should have entered the capitol building, all right? i mean, that's clear. many of that's absolutely clear. many of them did so arguing that many of them did so arguing that many of them did so arguing that many of them did say peacefully. i get that. look, is that. now, look, it is indictment after indictment and we're it's going to be we're told it's going to be georgia next or georgia that comes next week or the after . and yet it seems the week after. and yet it seems with each indictment , when it with each indictment, when it comes to the runoff , as the comes to the runoff, as the primaries approach for who's going to be the candidate for the republican party, this seems to be making trump stronger, not weaker . weaker. >> yeah, i think people understand what's going on. nigel, there's been a lot of people sort of politically agnostic in our country. they don't want to have to choose

sides. unfortunately it's gotten to the point where we probably don't a choice because don't have a choice because i think that it's think they understand that it's only matter of time they only a matter of time till they go after them or their children. you the that the left you see the crap that the left is pushin you see the crap that the left is push in schools is trying to push in our schools and, men playing women and, you know, men playing women sports and all of the nonsense that has become, you know, the hills to die on for today's radical left. and they understand what's going on. they understand what's going on. they understand that there's not this much coincidence. those that believe that maybe there was something russia, something to russia, russia, russia, all this time, russia, after all this time, realised that and it was another creation. i think people understand in this country that they have to get involved right now. they can no longer be forced into silence and submission and total capitulation or they're going to wake up one day and they're not going to have a country left. and, you know, whether it's when either that's physically whether that's through banking, whether either that's physically whether that's tseeigh banking, whether either that's physically whether that's tsee the)anking, whether either that's physically whether that's tsee the attacks whether either that's physically whether that's tsee the attacks you'vear people see the attacks you've witnessed yourself. know witnessed it yourself. i know i have this is what's going on. the left will take nothing but complete , complete complete, complete submissiveness , complete

submissiveness, complete capitulation . and people are capitulation. and people are seeing it. they've had enough and they're finally now becoming unafraid. >> listen, i know all about the russia hoax that rather unkind report of me with a bank that cancelled me mentioned russia 144 times. so i get that. i understand that a final thought, don, if i can. your father is a man of extra ordinary resilience , you know, i mean, i watched him , you know, from the moment him, you know, from the moment he won the election, they did everything they could, everything they could, everything they could to discredit him. we had the russia hoax. et cetera. on a human level , on a hoax. et cetera. on a human level, on a human level, having these indictments piling up, how is he managing ? is he managing? >> honestly, he's he's doing great. and you speak to him a lot as well. but i called him yesterday after another one, and it was sort of like hum, like, why are you calling? and because it's become so commonplace , it's it's become so commonplace, it's like tuesday , nigel. you like taco tuesday, nigel. you know, it just happens every week. there's another indictment

. the second there's some sort of from , you know, the of news from, you know, the biden crime family , literally. biden crime family, literally. i mean, if you take 1% of the stuff that they're talking about on a daily basis, that would be the biggest political actual political scandal in american history. yet it's covered up history. and yet it's covered up as though it doesn't exist . you as though it doesn't exist. you know, understands what's know, he understands what's going understands what's going on. he understands what's at for him. but again , at stake for him. but again, he's why he's doing this. he's doing this because he's fighting for what's left of our country . for what's left of our country. he they're trying to make sure that no one like donald it's not just an attack on donald trump. it's that no one ever decides to take on the hegemony of that uni party, of that establishment. they want to make sure to disincentivize any individual who wasn't part of that bureaucracy from day one, who maybe did really well and was successful on their own from getting into government because these people for the most part, are absolutely worthless other than they're good bureaucrats. they're very good at parlaying that power. they're not particularly good at anything. they've never really signed a

paycheque, they out paycheque, but they figured out what good at and they're paycheque, but they figured out whégoing good at and they're paycheque, but they figured out whégoing to good at and they're paycheque, but they figured out whégoing to allowat and they're paycheque, but they figured out whégoing to allow a and they're paycheque, but they figured out whégoing to allow a threat|ey're paycheque, but they figured out whégoing to allow a threat to're not going to allow a threat to that because with that that power because with that power money everything power comes money and everything else that they've created that they deserve. they don't deserve. >> and my audience, if you >> and to my audience, if you want get of donald want to get more of donald trump, junior to triggered trump, junior go to triggered his rumble podcast where you will full unedited will get the full unedited version of donald trump junior. don, thanks joining me this don, thanks for joining me this evening. thank very much evening. thank you very much indeed. evening. thank you very much indeed . in a moment in a moment indeed. in a moment in a moment now, we're going to go to somebody who was a bit more of a trump sceptic. well dr. frank luntz, american communication analyst, pollster and academic, and somebody who spends a fair bit of time on this side of the pond to frank, i think it's fair to say you've not been a great donald trump fan over the course of the last few years. but the point i was making to don junior there, it seems that with every indictment , there, it seems that with every indictment, he gets ever stronger with the republican base , you're correct. base, you're correct. >> and in fact, they see him not

just as a victim. they see him as persecuted . and that's one of as persecuted. and that's one of the reasons why to the republicans , they can't republicans, they can't understand why why hunter biden gets no treatment, why joe biden gets no treatment, why joe biden gets a pass and donald trump gets a pass and donald trump gets victimised . and every time gets victimised. and every time washington tries to do this to him, his numbers go up another two, three, 4. and right now , two, three, 4. and right now, quite frankly, i don't know any candidate that has the skills, the talents, the entire zest, the talents, the entire zest, the intensity, the passion to win the nomination and to take it away from donald trump. he is stronger today than he was six months ago. and i think he's going to be stronger next week than he is this week. >> yeah, i mean, it is quite extraordinary that this is happening. actually, the way extraordinary that this is hapjput ng. actually, the way extraordinary that this is hapjput it|. actually, the way extraordinary that this is hapjput it yourself,jally, the way extraordinary that this is hapjput it yourself, whenthe way extraordinary that this is hapjput it yourself, when you nay you put it yourself, when you compare the way the bidens have been given a pass the way been given a pass to the way trump being treated, i can trump is being treated, i can see feel see why republicans would feel that way . but the real question,

that way. but the real question, frank, the real question, of course, is that elections are won lost with that 5 or 10% won and lost with that 5 or 10% in the middle. that could go either way. does is a series of indictments , say, to those who indictments, say, to those who are not particularly committed to either party in america , is to either party in america, is it possible that with that group of people this could be a negative ? negative? >> it's not just possible , it's >> it's not just possible, it's probable and in fact, there's a percentage of america that doesn't want to look back that doesn't want to look back that doesn't want to relitigate 2020. they see inflation. they have trouble making ends meet. they see crime in the various streets . they see a border out of control. they see the american political system unable to enter their questions to solve their problems or to get the results that they vote for. and they don't want to go backward. they want to look ahead . right now, want to look ahead. right now, we have we're an evenly matched country , 40% republican, 40%

country, 40% republican, 40% democrat, 20% independent. and among the actual swing votes, it's really only 5 or 6. they don't like joe biden. they think he's too old. they don't like donald trump. they think that he just brings chaos. they want somebody new and different . it's somebody new and different. it's interesting to me, nigel, that the one person that donald trump can beat on the democratic side is joe biden, the one person joe biden can defeat on the republican side is donald trump . and yet the two of them lead their respective parties by so much. and 70% of americans would rather have neither of them running back in 16, when trump chose mike pence as his vp running mate, it's my contention in that when those billy bush tapes came out with trump making boasts full, he called it locker room talk . room talk. >> some viewed it more dimly, but his views and what he said about women and i felt that pence being vp was a very important moment in keeping that

evangelical southern baptist vote with the trump campaign. could it be could it be that if trump makes a wise vice presidential pick , that that presidential pick, that that person could appeal to that middle ground ? middle ground? >> absolutely. there's governor kristi noem of south dakota is a name that comes to mind. there are a number of very effective, successful female governors that that could run with trump. and they have a record of accomplishment, a record of success. and i do want to correct one thing. i'm not anti trump. my job as a pollster is to say like it is and to try to be as accurate as i can. i acknowledge, by the way, that back in 2016, the exit polling , back in 2016, the exit polling, we didn't do it. i just reported on it. we didn't do it. i just reported onit.the we didn't do it. i just reported on it. the exit polling was a mess . it got it wrong just as it mess. it got it wrong just as it got brexit wrong in your country . yeah, that it's unable to measure this segment of the population. who's mad as hell

not going to take it anymore. wants something different. but does not want to talk to pollsters, does not want to talk to journalists. go they to journalists. they go in, they vote go home. they work vote and they go home. they work hard. they pay their taxes , they hard. they pay their taxes, they raise their children. they do the community. the things in the community. they're respected , acted, they're to be respected, acted, not, punished . and their not, not punished. and their voice has not been heard. and thatis voice has not been heard. and that is the reason why donald trump is still doing so well among republicans is they feel that he speaks for them . they that he speaks for them. they feel that he fights for them. and whether you like what he's done or not, as a pollster, i'm impressed with his numbers and that people are willing to stick with him through all of this . with him through all of this. >> frank, i will stand corrected on that comment and i will. thank you for your analysis. and please come back and see us as this campaign develops over the course of the next few months into year. in a moment, into next year. in a moment, we're going to talk de—banking we're going what is the we're to going talk what is the role the regulator, the fca? role of the regulator, the fca? could be that they are part could it be that they are part of problem of spreading woke

of the problem of spreading woke corporatism that leads to people like me being debunked because they don't align align with the values of the bank? god forbid

well, i asked at the top of the show, could this indictment yet another indictment? actually improve trump's chances of re—election? and frank luntz, who, as he pointed out to me , is who, as he pointed out to me, is a neutral pollster, certainly thinks among conservative thinkers in america that it actually does improve his chances because it makes it look that he's being victimised against the bidens, who have been given a free pass. your thoughts on this are interesting. one viewer says, yes, of course does . they're yes, of course it does. they're all to get him. and brian all out to get him. and brian says it worries me. this may be the one thing that brings him down, the sort of straw that breaks the camel's back, i guess, is what brian saying. another they are just another says they are just utterly stop him

utterly desperate to stop him winning the presidency again. well, is absolutely for well, that is absolutely for certain. now i've talked a lot about natwest bank, about coutts bank, about other banks, about this very political culture that seems to have overtaken them. but we haven't talked enough about the fca , we haven't talked about the fca, we haven't talked enough about the regulator. well, joining me is professor daniel hodson, former deputy ceo and financial director of nationwide . and back to the nationwide. and back to the glory days of the city, of course , you were boss of the course, you were boss of the london international financial futures exchange, the life market. i was indeed with its coloured jacket and all that. >> and you were one two at the lme. >> absolutely. they were very interesting days. they were, goodness me, we've moved a long way from that. now. i've been looking at this an and looking daniel at this an and sheldon very senior sheldon mills is a very senior figure within the financial conduct authority and we learn that for many, many years as he was a director of stonewall , that for many, many years as he was a director of stonewall, in fact, the longest serving director of stonewall stonewall, an organisation in that just

frankly , bully employers into frankly, bully employers into making sure they are lgbt compliant, making sure that their private health cover, you know, includes things like transition therapy , and then transition therapy, and then they rate employers , you know, they rate employers, you know, 1 to 100. and if an employer is not doing well, the twitter mob are on their backs. we've got people like this deep within the financial conduct authority. and what's been suggested to me is that in many ways is they've actually been encouraged by the banks and other financial institutions to become politicised . politicised. >> i think that's true. i mean, i think the bottom line is that regulate was should stick to regulation . regulation. >> what a good idea. >> what a good idea. >> and politics, important as they are , shouldn't be allowed they are, shouldn't be allowed to touch in the main what they do and your example is a very good one. it is very unfortunate actually this sheldon mills is chairman of stonewall and it's a great shame because certainly in

my experience in terms of good governance, you would expect someone like that if they had a conflict of interest to declare it any meeting inside the fca it at any meeting inside the fca and so on and so forth. and so the most important thing, though , is in the context of your particular experience recently , particular experience recently, how the fca and people within the fca, senior people have been expressing concern about the way that alison rose had to depart and that sort of thing. and that is not really appropriate, as i say, regulated us should regulate. they should stick to looking at things like market risk, like like keeping markets safe, like competitive markets, rather than going into the political arena. albie sit by by virtue of the things that they're saying in the context of that sort of situation. >> so who regulates the regulator? >> that's a very good question. and it's certainly true that there should be a more, i think, a more formal regulation of the regulator of course, they do appear before select committees

and so on in the house of commons, and that's important. and they exposed that and they are exposed in that way. there are there are way. but there are there are some here. think it's some deficits here. i think it's a and certainly in a great shame and certainly in my and i had a lot of my experience and i had a lot of experience. did, course, experience. you did, of course, dunng experience. you did, of course, during the great market days . during the great market days. regulation is a hugely important part of good markets as we look. i think , in terms of making sure i think, in terms of making sure the city of london, which is, after all, our main our main economic driver in this country, it's the largest industry we have. >> it's becoming hard to believe, but it's true. >> it is. it is. believe, but it's true. >> it is. it is . and the fca >> it is. it is. and the fca should be working extremely hard to make sure the regulator , the to make sure the regulator, the regulatory environment of the city is better than it is and using the opportunities which have been given us since we've left the eu. and of course that is beginning to happen, but it's happening far too slowly and getting them involved and having them involved in this kind of situation quayside situation in quayside politically is not an appropriate use of their time . appropriate use of their time. >> one thing that i sort of came out weeks ago as being

out three weeks ago as being banked and lots of others have followed, oh gosh, it's happened to us as well. and we learn if you believe the foi that was received by the mail on sunday at the weekend, that up to 1000 bank accounts a day are being closed in this country. and it's predominantly to do with anti—money laundering rules that are excessive, that are being overinterpreted by compliance departments of banks. in my opinion , by a big national opinion, by a big national debate about people being de—banking has taken place over the last few weeks. pages and pages of it in the newspapers. i haven't heard a word from the fca. >> it is extraordinary, isn't it 7 >> it is extraordinary, isn't it ? i think it is extraordinary . i ? i think it is extraordinary. i think it's a great shame. i have to say this, nigel. i think that certainly i've worked with the predecessor of the fca, the sib and the fsa, and there are some extremely good people in there. there's question that there there's no question that there are good people are many, many good people who work fca. the shame is work in the fca. the shame is that they , from time time get that they, from time to time get themselves involved in these

issues a far greater extent issues to a far greater extent than they should, and that damages reputation. damages their reputation. i think in this particular case that they need to pull back and they need to start looking at as it were, the sort of things which really concern us at the moment, as i said before, which is improve the quality of is to improve the quality of regulation, rid of, for regulation, to get rid of, for instance , overprescriptive instance, the overprescriptive regulation , which we have had to regulation, which we have had to put up with since we've been in the eu. the disproportion personality of the regulator and so on. and there are movements now to do that. but it's taken a hell of a time, far too long. >> i'm talking of the fca, the previous boss of the fca, of course, a chap called andrew bailey. yep. andrew out to lunch. as was known lunch. bailey, as he was known in and went on to in the city and went on to become the of the bank become the governor of the bank of the bank of england, of england, the bank of england, which had regulated our banking system gordon brown system since 1694. gordon brown , rather, gave that authority away . but isn't it away. but again, isn't it extraordinary that we're having a national debate not about banking, about people's access to banking, about bank closures ? again, not a single utterance

from the governor of the bank of england. >> i think that's a great shame, too. i think it's difficult. i mean, certainly my experience of deaung mean, certainly my experience of dealing with the bank of england when was running was that when i was running life was that i met with them regularly and they knew exactly what was going on in market. there are on in the market. there are those believe, and those who believe, and i actually too, that one actually believe, too, that one of mistakes that gordon of the big mistakes that gordon brown was to separate brown made was to separate regulation of the banks away from the bank of england and put it in effect in the fsa. i agree. and that, of course , did agree. and that, of course, did create a situation where the role of the governor of the bank of england having also lost as it were, not control, but being given independence of the monetary policy committee, but had achieved that, but had lost the regulatory situation. it's a great shame that happened that that should have been rectified. it's a mess. >> and of course the bank be the bank will be back the news bank will be back in the news tomorrow interest rates tomorrow because interest rates will go up again, i think for the 14th consecutive time. in short, final thought, daniel hodson said yourself, hodson, as you said yourself, it's britain's biggest industry. it's our biggest earner of

invisibles financial services is not just about canary wharf and the city of london. it's about birmingham and cardiff and eastbourne and newcastle . it is eastbourne and newcastle. it is jobs everywhere . yeah, it could jobs everywhere. yeah, it could be lot better run than it is, be a lot better run than it is, couldn't it ? couldn't it? >> are you saying the industry industry? i don't think that's entirely true. i think it's extraordinary that our industry has managed to finance industry has managed to finance industry has managed to go as hard as it has managed to go as hard as it has . i was deputy chief has. i was deputy chief executive of nationwide building society. i think that's an extraordinary fine institution and continues to be. it's a cooperative institution. very unusual role. but i do think that a better regulatory environment, which we now have the opportunity to, to achieve , the opportunity to, to achieve, would create a much stronger industry. and we do depend on it. it employs, you say, over a million people. it generates massive invisible earnings, which are very important to maintain the economy . and it's maintain the economy. and it's about time that we did something. and the wheels are moving, but they are not moving

fast enough. >> well, perhaps i'm just a little bit wounded by the industry right at this moment. understandably daniel hodgson, thank , quite thank you. in a moment, quite extraordinary. go commit extraordinary. you go and commit a burglary. you're a shoplifter , you're not going to get prosecuted . you're just going to prosecuted. you're just going to get a little slap on the wrist and a warning. debate that and a warning. we'll debate that in moment. is that opening the

go out, commit a theft, do a bit of shoplifting, be found possessing class a drugs doesn't matter any more. you won't be taken to court. no you'll just get a caution . that apparently get a caution. that apparently is what the ministry of justice are now advising . i find it are now advising. i find it completely and utterly extraordinary. or are my views out of date ? have i not? with out of date? have i not? with the current zeitgeist? well, jeremy dean casey, a barrister who specialises in criminal defence, joins me. jeremy i

mean, if i commit a crime , mean, if i commit a crime, surely if i'm just told we'll go away and have a caution, doesn't that mean a lot more people will commit that crime because there's no sanction? the thing is , nigel, the proposal let me is, nigel, the proposal let me make it clear, this is just a proposal at the moment at this stage, subject to consultation. >> but i think it's likely to go through. it isn't really a case of go away. i mean, it's a two tier proposal . one is that the tier proposal. one is that the offender gets cautioned and has to do some sort of community work. the other is that the offender cautioned and if offender gets cautioned and if there is a breach on a more serious level, that person will be prosecuted. so it isn't a case of just, you know, clear off and don't worry about it, but it's designed and to minimise the increasing clogging up of the criminal justice system. >> oh, i see. so the courts are busy, so we just don't worry about crime. >> well , i about crime. >> well, i mean, i think good

enough. >> is it ? >> is it? >> is it? >> it depends which way you look at it. i mean, prisons, we have the biggest prison population in the biggest prison population in the free world. my experience, both as a defence lawyer and as a judge for the last 20 years, is, is that at least 70% of the people in prison shouldn't be there. we. prison is a human dustbin in this country. so i support proposals , models which support proposals, models which potentially give rise to alternative methods of justice being implemented. all right. >> well, let's take one particular example. shoplifting. you know , we've had recently the you know, we've had recently the boss of john lewis saying this is now completely out of control . well, yeah, reports and not just from the big cities, from from towns of gangs going into stores, just helping themselves and walking out . but surely, and walking out. but surely, jeremy , unless there is a jeremy, unless there is a sanction for doing that, unless there is a punishment, unless there is a punishment, unless there is a little bit of fear , there is a little bit of fear, if you take that away , yeah,

if you take that away, yeah, you're legitimising it. >> well, firstly, i don't know what kind of offender will be subject to caution. i mean, if someone is a is a more sophisticated offender, a member of a gang certainly has previous convictions. they won't be eligible. wouldn't eligible. i wouldn't have thought i think these proposals are designed first are designed to target first time very low level offenders. >> is shoplifting a low level offence? >> that's a very good question, ian. mean, well, on the scale ian. i mean, well, on the scale of offending. yes, it is. i mean, if you steal a bottle of perfume from home, i won't name any particular, you know, you know, compare it to, know, when you compare it to, you know , domestic burglary or you know, domestic burglary or going up , you know, domestic burglary or going up, robbery, weapon related crime . yes, it is. the related crime. yes, it is. the thing is the thing is, nigel, you know, one can brush it aside. our system is on its knees. we cannot cope with a number of offenders in the system. and clearly these proposals are designed to minimise those numbers. >> as you said at the start of this, that one of the reasons we're doing this and perhaps the main reason we're doing this or

the, you know, the minister is proposing this is the court system is completely clogged up. is this because of covid? >> it's not just because of covid. nigel no, that's a fallacy which this government have perpetrated . the criminal have perpetrated. the criminal justice system has been grossly underfunded. you know, even at the behest of the last labour. i mean, i'm 41 years call, it's been underfunded, at least for the last 30 years. and then of course, this government are using covid as an excuse for the backlog. that's not the reason. it's part of the reason, but it's not whole reason. you it's not the whole reason. you know, legal aid being know, legal aid is being destroyed. coming destroyed. people are not coming to there are not to the bar. there are not prosecutors are prosecutors available. there are not available. the not defenders available. the prison can't cope. the prison system can't cope. the system is on the brink of collapse. subjective question to finish are we becoming a more lawless country? >> yes , we're becoming a more >> yes, we're becoming a more lawless country and we're definitely becoming a more violent definitely becoming a more violknife crime and violent crime >> knife crime and violent crime in london is complete out of control. and i speak as a defender, so know just how bad defender, so i know just how bad it is . it is. >> thanks for joining it is. >> thanks forjoining us. even

if there is a depressing note to finish on. but it's okay because the what the farage moment is we're going to be much safer because librarians are now hiding yes. books hiding books. yes. any books that have very , very gender that have very, very gender specific sentences or characters that could be deemed historical books to be transphobic are being put to the back of libraries to protect us. so that should sort everything out, shouldn't it? why don't we just get all the books out? no one likes and have a mass burning in one of the squares in london. that's where we're going. and monzo monzo bank, who monzo bank? yes, monzo bank, who turned down jeremy hunt, if you remember , they turned him down remember, they turned him down for a bank account and a whistleblower has said that the culture within monzo bank is so anti tory that they cheer when they lose local elections and they lose local elections and they say the world will be a better place without jacob rees—mogg in politics. well, they may have a point. i'll discuss that with jacob in just a moment. now, monzo bank, of course, themselves respond by

saying that actually these are just a people and that we just a few people and that we are a politically neutral organisation. just wonder organisation. but i just wonder , i just wonder what the culture is that going through some of is that is going through some of our institutions. in our financial institutions. in a moment after the break, we're going to talk about net zero. interesting philip hammond has made , very critical made some very, very critical comments what the comments of what the government's doing to achieve net so knows ? he may net zero. so who knows? he may be debunked before very long. and we'll be joined quentin and we'll be joined by quentin wilson talk about the wilson to talk about the practicality of electric cars being the only ones we produce

there is at last a debate not about global warming, but about our net zero goals in this country , whether they're country, whether they're achievable and whether they're actually affordable. and i was very surprised. philip hammond, lord hammond, the former chancellor of the exchequer , he chancellor of the exchequer, he was really being very, very frank about it. he said, we're being systematic , hinckley

being systematic, hinckley dishonest. there is a cross party disease. and what he means is just not been telling is we've just not been telling the people about how much it's actually going to cost and whether it can really work. and one of those areas is , of one of those areas is, of course, electric cars . now, of course, electric cars. now, of course, electric cars. now, of course, they are high performance. they're wonderful. just they don't drive very far. there are very few charging points and they cost a fortune . points and they cost a fortune. they're great for the rich . they're great for the rich. they're great for the rich. they're great for the rich. they're great for the people who've been super successful. but for ordinary folk, they're almost beyond measure in terms of expense. and if we go down this route, but after 2030, there'll no new cars built there'll be no new cars built with internal combustion engines . aren't we just giving the market over to the chinese? well, one man who is an absolute mega enthusiast for the electric car is quentin wilson, former top gear host. car is quentin wilson, former top gear host . and yes, i mean, top gear host. and yes, i mean, you love electric cars, quentin, but just deal with that point first. just you know, china is ready to produce electric cars

on a huge scale . there'll be a on a huge scale. there'll be a lot cheaper than anything else we can produce. they'll be produced in environmental conditions that will be far less stringent than we would. aren't we just giving the world over to china ? china? >> no . what we're trying to do >> no. what we're trying to do is to make our motor industry to compete with with china, knowing that i was coming on the show tonight, i spoke to grant shapps who told me that the 2030 deaduneis who told me that the 2030 deadline is fixed. the zev mandate is fixed by a few tweaks. i spoke to jlr who said that they are completely behind the 2030 deadline and the mandate and we heard the smmt yesterday on radio four saying they too are completely behind this. so where this story has come from, that the motor industry is under threat, is wrong . we cannot allow a huge wrong. we cannot allow a huge tirade of cars coming in from china. we must make them ourselves and we must be world leading in what we do. and

that's why it's so important to have these targets to make sure our motor industry is competitive. look at the battery factory . we are investing factory. we are investing 4 billion. look at the 6 billion being spent by the uk charging industry and grant shapps wanted me to tell you that that battery factory would have gone to spain had we not had those targets. so this is this is just a false narrative. we can be massively competitive on the global scale if we've got this certainty. and investors know know that we're going to make our motor industry world leading . and 80% nigel of world leading. and 80% nigel of the car make in this country go to europe a third of the cars off the production line so far in 2023 have been electrified . in 2023 have been electrified. if you want to wipe that all away and surrender the market to the chinese , that's what will the chinese, that's what will happen so well, i worry about pricing. >> i worry about pricing. but practical question this summer , practical question this summer, the first time in years we had

to fire up coal fired power stations. we had to do it because we have a massive reliance over reliance on wind . reliance over reliance on wind. where is the electricity going to come from by 2030 for all of these cars ? these cars? >> well, look, we've got , what, >> well, look, we've got, what, 46% coming into the grid, which is renewables. and again, it's world record stuff. and that's gone from a tiny when the wind blows . yeah, look, it's blows. yeah, look, it's intermittent. we know this. and you will always need biofuels to, to, to, to power parts of the grid. but national grid. tell me and i've spoken to them at all that they will have enough power to do this because they've got offshore wind. another 4—4 gigawatts coming in. so we will have a mix of all these different power sources, nuclear, the solar wind by 2030. >> well , how do you know that? >> well, how do you know that? >> well, how do you know that? >> are you a fortune teller? >> are you a fortune teller? >> we will not have fresh nuclear power by 2030. you know that. i know that. but quentin, you still just sort of in conclusion, you still believe

that 20, 30 is an achievable target? >> yeah, i do. and look, i'm here in france . i've driven here here in france. i've driven here in an electric car. i charged three times. i'm not on fire. i'm not by the hard shoulder. and your listeners need to understand or your viewers need to understand that the narratives they're hearing on in the mainstream media about electric cars are broadly wrong . and there's 1.2 electric cars are broadly wrong . and there's1.2 million people . and there's 1.2 million people out there who happily drive them every day, and it's their voices we should listen to. well well, we should listen to. well well, we listen to all voices here on gb news, including your enthusiasm for electric cars. >> and thank you for joining enthusiasm for electric cars. >> and thank you forjoining me. >> and thank you for joining me. well, many of the blue chips are having a rethink on this, including bp and others. and barry norris is founder of argonaut capital partners , a argonaut capital partners, a specialist equity fund management company. barry, we've had all these years of enthusiasm for green investment, for esg. is there a bit of a rethink going on out there? well

i think, nigel, the rethink on wind power is down to the fact that it's no longer profitable for wind companies to build new wind projects in the uk on the same economic terms as were agreed in the last two cfd wind auctions in 2022 and 2019. >> so those auctions were agreed . at £45 per megawatt and the government is trying to get another to auction away. the fifth auction away this summer. now the problem with that is , is now the problem with that is, is that the project that were agreed to be built in 2022 still haven't been built because the companies are complaining that the economics are not generous enough and therefore they're asking for the taxpayer to put their hand in the pocket to subsidise them even more to get the projects built and the reason why the projects are more

expensive to build is the cost of wind turbines has gone up by about 50% in the last two years. but more importantly, interest rates have risen from zero. so given that these projects are typically funded with 4/5 debt, the cost of the wind turbine has gone up 50. but the cost of financing has gone up probably oven financing has gone up probably over. let's say, a 25 year life of the project by another 100. so when you've had 150% increase in the cost of the project, there's a certain degree of buyer's remorse here where the winners of the cfd auctions are coming back to the government asking for the taxpayers to put their hand in the pocket. >> oh, and to meet the targets the government's got. it does mean taxpayer money, mean more taxpayer money, doesn't ? doesn't it? >> indeed . i mean, there is no >> indeed. i mean, there is no no wind operator in the uk that is willing to operate in the free market, so they're only willing to operate when the government guarantees them a

price for the product they produce. and the problem with wind is they all produce it at the same time. and the more wind we have in this country, the bigger market share, the bigger the problem gets. because essentially all ready in the uk when the wind blows, we have zero cost power here. and when the wind doesn't blow , which the wind doesn't blow, which sadly is most of the time, we are very expensive and volatile power prices. >> barry come back onto the programme soon. somebody who's a realist about wind energy in the cost. thank you forjoining us. cost. thank you for joining us. we will speak to you again on this subject. really interesting and thank you very much indeed. thank goodness . i thought i was thank goodness. i thought i was the only one out there for a little bit. and now jacob's away. today we have patrick christys coming up. patrick what's the big theme tonight? christys coming up. patrick whaloadse big theme tonight? christys coming up. patrick whaloads pickingeme tonight? christys coming up. patrick whaloads picking up tonight? christys coming up. patrick whaloads picking up on night? christys coming up. patrick whaloads picking up on what’ christys coming up. patrick whaloads picking up on what you yes loads picking up on what you left off. >> actually, this climate hysteria, was actually on hysteria, i was actually on houday hysteria, i was actually on holiday whilst these holiday in greece whilst these wildfires taking all wildfires were taking place. all the media, arson. the the greek media, it's arson. the british the end of british media. it's the end of the i've got some funny

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for all of us this evening. as i mentioned, low pulling mentioned, today's low pulling away . so starting to away. so the rain starting to become lighter , fewer become lighter, fewer and further but overnight further between. but overnight it generally quite cloudy it stays generally quite cloudy . further showers moving in across northern scotland into northern ireland and temperatures generally staying in across the in double figures across the board due to that northerly wind and a lot of cloud around. so fairly cloudy start to thursday morning. some morning. there will be some sunny particularly sunny spells, particularly through part of the through the central part of the uk and through the day. this northerly will to northerly flow will start to feed in and at the same feed showers in and at the same time we'll see showers. time we'll see some showers. bubble up. as we move into the afternoon, there will be some bright spells and some bright or sunny spells and some places, the places, particularly in the east, stay dry right east, will stay dry right through the and as through the day. and as a result, will just result, it will just feel a little warmer. temperatures up to towards the to around 23 degrees towards the southeast. bit cooler southeast. a little bit cooler around north facing coasts around some north facing coasts into friday itself. generally, again, a cloudy start, though, showers, perhaps more focussed through the day across eastern areas. a ridge of high pressure building in for a short time will drier weather the will mean drier weather to the west. some sunny spells west. and here some sunny spells developing. again developing. temperatures again lifting the low 20s before

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gb news us gb news. >> our top story tonight, the fire brigades union has labelled the bibby stockholm migrant barge a potential death trap and requested an urgent meeting with the home secretary about overcrowding , adding and fire overcrowding, adding and fire exit concerns . the fbu assistant exit concerns. the fbu assistant general secretary said today it's a cruel and reckless approach to the welfare of asylum seekers. a government source told gb news that labour and the unions are trying to block the use of the vessel to house asylum seekers, calling their attempts a betrayal of the country and the british people.

so it could be next week now before any migrants are moved to the vessel in portland, in dorset , in the the vessel in portland, in dorset, in the united the vessel in portland, in dorset , in the united states, dorset, in the united states, former president donald trump, who is facing four new criminal charges , his is due to appear in charges, his is due to appear in court tomorrow in washington, dc. he's accused of conspiring to defraud the us by preventing congress from certifying joe biden's election victory in 2020. this is the third time in four months donald trump has been charged as he campaigns to regain his presidency. ms trump's son, donald jr spoke to nigel farage on gb news earlier and he questioned the timing of this indictment . this indictment. >> i don't believe any of this has anything to do with january 6th. if it did and if january 6th. if it did and if january 6th was everything that they said, why , why, why? nigel? did said, why, why, why? nigel? did they wait two and a half years to charge him? i mean, the people that were there that did those, they were charged that day. they now james cleverly says a group of british

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