at his front door is home address . what do you make to address. what do you make to this? should it ever be okay to get yourself to someone's private property? and protest there? i say absolutely not. and a line has been crossed. but what say you and are you over 50? if so, see you get on your bike and maybe, i don't know, deliver pizzas . is that bike and maybe, i don't know, deliver pizzas. is that is a suggestion aimed at you guys tonight. what do you make to that common sense or a little bit ludicrous? and get this , it bit ludicrous? and get this, it has been claimed in public

opinion is flagrantly disregarded whenever it doesn't augn disregarded whenever it doesn't align with the views of the ruling class. and apparently an uprising may be coming. is that fair? reasonable realistic or not? and would you live next door to a traveller site? that is the question often posed on a leaflet by the welsh secretary that has being called racist. is it ? we'll have it all to come it? we'll have it all to come and more . but before we do that, and more. but before we do that, let's bring ourselves up to speed with tonight's latest headunes speed with tonight's latest headlines with polly middlehurst i >> -- >> michel, thank you and good evening to you. the top story today, the bank of england has raised its interest rate for the 14th time in a row. it's increasing it from 5 to 5.25. that's the highest base rate since 2008. the bank says it expects inflation to be halved by the end of the year, and that's one of the government's key priority as the increase

puts pressure on borrowers, mortgage holders and households struggling with budgets . but the struggling with budgets. but the chancellor, jeremy hunt, told gb news the government's plan is working well. >> the bank of england forecasts today say that we will avoid recession and in a year's time we'll get inflation to down about 3. 2.8, i think is the number. so although it's very tough when interest rates go up for families or for businesses that have got loans , what those that have got loans, what those forecasts are saying today is that if we stick to the plan, it is working and we will end up with a soft landing and we can avoid a recession . but the avoid a recession. but the shadow chancellor, rachel reeves, says the government does need to take action. >> well, the rate rise that we've seen today is just another hammer blow to families across the country who are seeing their mortgages increase . when it mortgages increase. when it comes to remortgaging , at the comes to remortgaging, at the moment, a family that's looking to remortgage their property is

going to be paying on average more than £200 extra every single month. and for some people, it's much more than that. now, of course, the bank of england have independence and that's as it should be. but the government to take government needs to take responsibility for the fact that inflation in the uk is much higher than it is in comparable countries . well, the bank of countries. well, the bank of england also says food prices are likely to remain high for the rest of the year, whilst it says there's wide agreement that food price inflation has now peaked and should fall by the end of the year, they say as well that it could take time for that reduction to hit the shelves. >> meanwhile , the high street >> meanwhile, the high street retailer wilko has warned it's on bnnk retailer wilko has warned it's on brink of collapse, on the brink of collapse, putting jobs at putting around 12,000 jobs at risk . the boss of the homeware risk. the boss of the homeware chain says it expects to go into insolvency after failing to secure a takeover to help the business with mounting cash pressures. will co, which has around 400 uk stores , has filed around 400 uk stores, has filed around 400 uk stores, has filed a notice of intention to appoint

administrators at the high court . residents of crawley in sussex were disappointed by the news. >> it's very bad , very bad. >> it's very bad, very bad. >> it's very bad, very bad. >> it's very bad, very bad. >> it's a shame . >> it's a shame. >> it's a shame. >> what do you think's gone wrong? >> goodness only knows . i went >> goodness only knows. i went to uni. i actually shopped here so it could be management management mistakes. i don't know . walking round . i wondered know. walking round. i wondered if that was the case. it's just so empty . so empty. >> oh, it's devastating because i. i do a lot of shopping here because they're very good. actually, you know, the thing i've found here, i couldn't find it in biancu for activists , it's it in biancu for activists, it's that scaled the prime minister's home in north yorkshire and got on the roof have been arrested on the roof have been arrested on suspicion of causing criminal damage and being a public nuisance. >> a fifth person has also been arrested on suspicion of causing arrested on suspicion of causing a public nuisance . they remain a public nuisance. they remain in police custody . the in police custody. the protesters draped rishi sunak home in black fabric in protest

against the 100 new north sea oil and gas licences which have been granted by him. he says he won't apologise for supporting that exploration. gb news asked the greenpeace ceo if turning up at the prime minister's private home is justified . home is justified. >> we checked before going. we made sure there was nobody there. it was planned with utmost care, with care for security . he wasn't there. we security. he wasn't there. we knocked on the door first. there was no answer. was [10 answer. >> was no answer. >> he knocks on the door. so he jumped on his roof. is that right? >> he knocked on the door to identify who we were and what we were doing. and first there were doing. and then first there was then the staff was no answer. then the staff came in. we nice chat with came in. we had a nice chat with them. and then. >> and then you jumped on his roof. >> we delivered the message that what he's doing is unacceptable in climate emergency. the in a climate emergency. he's the prime this prime minister and this decision. finish, which decision. let me finish, which is him . is on him. >> well, you can see more of that interview on dan wootton tonight from 9 pm. now, the deputy prime minister says asylum seekers will be on the

bibby stockholm barge in the coming weeks. bibby stockholm barge in the coming weeks . the first group of coming weeks. the first group of migrants was originally scheduled move into the scheduled to move into the controversial accommodation moored off dorset on tuesday . moored off dorset on tuesday. the delays being caused by issues surrounding health and safety for port workers and we're told not fire safety . we're told not fire safety. although oliver dowden says he's confident the problems can be addressed after firefighters warned the vessel is a potential death trap . the science death trap. the science secretary has accused a labour mp of misleading the public after he shared a fake image of the prime minister online. an mp for hull east, carl turner, posted a doctored picture showing rishi sunak at a beer festival with a badly pulled pint and a woman behind him, seemingly looking on disapprovingly. seemingly looking on disapprovingly . michelle donelan disapprovingly. michelle donelan described sharing the deep fake image as pretty desperate stuff by labour. mr turner later said he hadn't realised the image was fake . us gb news across the uk fake. us gb news across the uk on tv in your car on digital radio and on your smart speaker

at home by saying play gb news back now to . michelle back now to. michelle >> thanks for that, polly. i loved found it quite fascinating that story there about wilko. what do you make your wilko shopperis what do you make your wilko shopper is that sad news for the high street? is it a sign of the times? i've seen the tories getting the blame for it. they getting the blame for it. they get the blame for everything. quite frankly, don't they? and i'd to what i'd be fascinated to know what that brought from wilko that fella brought from wilko that fella brought from wilko that says couldn't get in that he says he couldn't get in bank wherever was, bank or wherever it was, whenever wilko, whenever i've been in wilko, i've say, i've always i've got to say, i've always found it pretty empty. and do we need shops like that now? you've got your on b and m, got your eyes on b and m, they're aren't they're flying, aren't they? home you've your home bargains. you've got your middle you. aldi middle aisle aren't you. aldi and lidl and all those kind of places. so it a sign of the places. so is it a sign of the times or something else? times or is it something else? you in touch and tell me you get in touch and tell me your thoughts alongside me by the till 7:00 tonight. the way, till 7:00 tonight. leader the heritage leader of the heritage party, david and david kirton, and the contributing editor novara contributing editor at novara media, walker. got media, michael walker. i've got

lots tonight, lots coming your way tonight, but about that but i want to ask you about that leaflet, the traveller site leaflet. did you see that it's been called it's been been called racist. it's been reported to the police. they're asking, live next asking, would you live next door to site? i'm talking to a traveller site? i'm talking to a traveller site? i'm talking to alfie best before the end of the programme. a well known traveller well. traveller as well. a very successful i have say , successful one, i have to say, and thoughts on it. and getting his thoughts on it. i to about whether or i want to talk about whether or not going to have not we're going to have a potential uprising this potential uprising in this country also over country as well. and also over 50 been told, get on your bike and go deliver things like pizza. what do you make to that sensible or not? get in touch with me let me know all your with me and let me know all your thoughts tonight. vaiews@gbnews.com. can vaiews@gbnews.com. or you can tweet me news. gerry you tweet me at gb news. gerry you were one of my first emails tonight telling me i look like i've come dressed as the queen from a playing card. i'll take that a compliment and richard that as a compliment and richard says, fantastic . says, you look fantastic. quickly debonair evening, quickly debonair this evening, and your and i love watching your new show. really nice, show. that's really nice, richard. but you called me debbie . that's not name. my debbie. that's not my name. my michelle. but i'll take the compliment anyway. why not? a right five greenpeace protests have been arrested for getting

on top of rishi sunaks house as the basically i don't know if you've seen it. they've draped all of this kind of black fabric material. if i can bring it up, i'll show it to you on the screen in case you haven't seen it yet. they've got all of this kind of fabric. they're putting it over his house. they're it all over his house. they're saying protest about saying it's in protest about these things, the new oil these things, like the new oil and licences. they reckon it and gas licences. they reckon it was all right to do it because he's holiday with his family he's on holiday with his family and of i think and all the rest of it. i think it's pretty disgraceful, quite frankly, and i do not know who these law actually think that frankly, and i do not know who theseare./ actually think that frankly, and i do not know who theseare. iactually think that frankly, and i do not know who theseare. i think ly think that frankly, and i do not know who theseare. i think they've that they are. i think they've crossed line when comes to crossed a line when it comes to what acceptable what what is acceptable and what is not in protest. david, where not in protest. but david, where do on it? do you stand on it? >> i mean, people like >> yeah, i mean, people like this doing these kinds of protests have crossed line protests have crossed one line after another protests have crossed one line afterthe another protests have crossed one line afterthe last another protests have crossed one line afterthe last couple|nother protests have crossed one line afterthe last couple ofther protests have crossed one line afterthe last couple of years. over the last couple of years. i mean, we had the two men who scaled the queen elizabeth bridge in dartford that was terribly, , destructive terribly, you know, destructive to traffic. i mean, it stopped traffic going for like 24, 36 hours. i mean, that was really bad . so this is another line bad. so this is another line that they've crossed going to

private property. i'm not sure how got in. i mean, it how they got in. i mean, it doesn't seem like there's any security is very security there, which is very surprising . but should not surprising. but you should not go to people's private homes and do this kind of in their do this kind of thing in their own property . own property. >> so what do you think, michael? i can see why it's controversial. >> i mean, i think it would be out order if there were two out of order if there were two conditions which were met. so one if there were people one is if there were people there. you don't there. so obviously you don't want scare someone's kids. want to scare someone's kids. however you disagree however much you disagree with their if that their policies. and two, if that house address it wasn't house the address of it wasn't already knowledge. already public knowledge. now everyone already knows what rishi house like rishi sunak's house looks like because there was the controversy his £250,000 controversy over his £250,000 swimming i think it's swimming pool and i think it's not coincidence that these not a coincidence that these protests skirt on the protests always skirt on the bounds of acceptability . the bounds of acceptability. the reason they do these actions whereby some people will disagree and some people will agree with the motives or the means sorry, the tactics is that that means on shows like this, we have a debate about it. and then on shows like this, we also get to talk about the outrage. >> but do you think that it's all right that they've gone to

his and done this? his house and done this? >> i think because they knew he was okay. and was away. it's okay. and because we rishi sunak's we already knew rishi sunak's address. say, i if address. as i say, i think if there were risks that there there were any risks that there would be kids in the house, it would be kids in the house, it would be kids in the house, it would be unacceptable. i think if that if there was any risk that that would doxing them. so would be doxing them. so revealing his address, that would unacceptable. but would be unacceptable. but neither those conditions. would be unacceptable. but nei'yeah, those conditions. would be unacceptable. but nei'yeah, but>se conditions. would be unacceptable. but nei'yeah, but hang nditions. would be unacceptable. but nei'yeah, but hang ontions. would be unacceptable. but nei'yeah, but hang ontiosecond, >> yeah, but hang on a second, because. it's public because. yeah it's public knowledge and his knowledge that rishi and his family california family are in california or wherever it is on their holiday. but these people, they don't know members. could but these people, they don't know said members. could but these people, they don't know said to members. could but these people, they don't know said to his �*nbers. could but these people, they don't know said to his ibers. could but these people, they don't know said to his i don't could but these people, they don't know said to his i don't know,ould have said to his i don't know, whoever is. guess what? the whoever it is. guess what? the house to be empty the house is going to be empty the next why don't guys go next week. why don't you guys go and there? chill out, enjoy and stay there? chill out, enjoy the grounds, the gardens. they don't not anyone the grounds, the gardens. they dcint not anyone the grounds, the gardens. they dcin that not anyone the grounds, the gardens. they dcin that property. not anyone the grounds, the gardens. they dcin that property. so not anyone the grounds, the gardens. they dcin that property. so that anyone is in that property. so that excuse doesn't wash with and excuse doesn't wash with me. and even was anybody in even if there was not anybody in that i just think on that house, i just think who on god's green do you think god's green earth do you think that you are? that you can go to somebody's home, private home just you agree, just because you agree, disagree? actually with their professional policies is that's his job. so in professional policies is that's hisjob. so in his job, he's his job. so in his job, he's done something that you disagree with. so taking that to his

housei with. so taking that to his house i think is disgraceful. and i'm struggling to understand why. you're kind of saying it's all right because you think no one was in. >> well, they also said so in the interview just showed, the interview you just showed, which beforehand . which i hadn't seen beforehand. >> of greenpeace >> the co—director of greenpeace had we knocked the had said, we knocked on the doom had said, we knocked on the door, we spoke to the staff. they knew that there was they clearly knew that there was people but they told people in. yeah, but they told the staff was going on. the staff what was going on. >> don't think so. then >> so i don't think so. then there people but there's there was people in, but there's no that anyone was no suggestion that anyone was scared that because also that scared by that because also that was their work. >> the staff, that's their workplace, i think workplace, right? and i think we'd accept that we'd probably all accept that it's take action. it's okay to take direct action. >> that you know that >> so now that you know that someone you said someone was in because you said a ago, if there was no a minute ago, if there was no one in that, it was all right. but now that you know that there was someone in because just was someone in because you just said you've it for the said you've seen it for the first time there. so you first time there. so now you know was someone in. know that there was someone in. does change your view? no, does that change your view? no, because they're at their workplace if workplace and. right. but if they're as long as they're in so as long as somewhat right so you think it's okay go to someone's as okay to go to someone's house as long nobody in but long as there's nobody in but there someone as long

there can be someone in as long as they're working there. yeah >> i think it's okay to go to someone's workplace they're someone's workplace when they're working we working there. that's why we often people banners often see people drop banners from houses of parliament from the houses of parliament here. do think more here. i do think it's more controversial at controversial to protest at someone's they're someone's house, but if they're not in and everyone already knows it's knows the address, i think it's relatively be acceptable. also, what is rishi sunak what i would say is rishi sunak is doing something very controversial, is opening controversial, which is opening up oil and now, the un up new oil and gas. now, the un general secretary, the international agency, international energy agency, they is they have all said this is extremism. incredibly extremism. this is incredibly radical, is incredibly radical, this is incredibly unhelpful to do, especially in this where this period of time where we're having summer on having the hottest summer on record. change record. climate change is happening do see happening right now. so i do see why are organising why campaigners are organising oceans such as greenpeace thinks it worth actions which it is worth taking actions which they controversial they know will be controversial because what they're protesting against is so extreme. it's also worth, i think, really emphasising that is not emphasising that this is not some marginal that these some marginal view that these people greenpeace what people at greenpeace have. what they bringing to they are doing is bringing to they are doing is bringing to the of the british the attention of the british pubuc the attention of the british public what the un general secretary is saying, what the international energy agency is saying. it is really saying. and i think it is really important that everyone in britain that britain is aware that the leaders these international leaders of these international organisations are completely outraged sunak decision outraged by rishi sunak decision to open a new oil and gas when

we're currently in, as i say, the hottest summer on their business though is it what rishi sunak decides to do is domestic energy policy that has got nothing to do ? nothing to do? >> well, it will affect everyone with climate change. >> affect everyone the >> does affect everyone but the heads un sit there heads of the un sit there turning around saying it's things don't global things like we don't have global warming, boiling i >> -- >> and i sit there and i look and i think you just sound bit and i think you just sound a bit ridiculous and bit hysterical. ridiculous and a bit hysterical. so i zone out a little bit. but anyway. david yeah, i mean that's it? anyway. david yeah, i mean tha and it? anyway. david yeah, i mean tha and these it? anyway. david yeah, i mean tha and these people it? anyway. david yeah, i mean tha and these people are >> and these people are perfectly entitled to have their view, there's a proper view, but there's a proper legitimate protest legitimate way to protest that and people they and to tell people what they think. not going to think. and it's not going to someone's if they want to someone's house if they want to protest about it. there's two things could do. could things they could do. they could go parliament, in go outside parliament, in parliament a parliament square, which is a place which well known that place which is well known that everyone protest in without everyone can protest in without causing much disruption to everyday, people, everyday, ordinary people, and also people's private also respecting people's private property. also go property. and they can also go put to ask put themselves forward to ask you this. >> w- you this. >> stewart has just >> a viewer, stewart has just beenin >> a viewer, stewart has just been in touch. says, go on. been in touch. he says, go on. greenpeace i fully support their actions, he says what's more troubling actions of troubling than the actions of greenpeace is outlets like

greenpeace is media outlets like you gb news now concerned , you on gb news now concerned, rightly criticising peaceful protests. he's asking if protests. so he's asking if they're not allowed to do this. he's stewart's asking. so he's asking stewart's asking. so how that anyone how do you suggest that anyone protest ? protest then? >> should put >> well, they should put themselves election, themselves forward for election, shouldn't want shouldn't they? if they want to do actually want do that, if they actually want to the law and they want to change the law and they want to change the law and they want to stop the oil and gas contracts and they've got going on think is a good on now, which i think is a good thing actually, i don't agree with the climate alarmism that they're they with the climate alarmism that they'ito they with the climate alarmism that they'ito do they with the climate alarmism that they'ito do that. they with the climate alarmism that they'ito do that. well, they with the climate alarmism that they'ito do that. well, whatiey with the climate alarmism that they'ito do that. well, what they want to do that. well, what they should put them forward to join the party something and the green party or something and stand election. you think stand for election. so you think no protest. stand for election. so you think no proteif. stand for election. so you think no proteif you want to make >> and if you want to make a point, stand for election. >> no, they can have a protest. but the protest should done but the protest should be done legitimately. should but the protest should be done legdonetely. should but the protest should be done legdone legitimately should but the protest should be done legdone legitimately inhould but the protest should be done legdone legitimately in some be done legitimately in some way, like parliament square, you know, where there's been a history protests. that's the history of protests. that's the place go protest. place you go and protest. >> answer stewart's >> so to answer stewart's question, because saying question, because he's saying how suggest your answer how do you suggest your answer to to parliament to that is to go to parliament square protest there. but square and protest there. but then that that then but then that means that every other day, every other houn every other day, every other hour, every is going be hour, every is going to be protesting stuff in parliament square. so one's going to pay square. so no one's going to pay

any attention then because it'll just old day, same old just be a same old day, same old cause won't get cause whatever. they won't get the attention. >> i mean, that's >> yeah, well, i mean, that's why done it. they've why they've done it. they've got, done this to get got, they've done this to get the attention. wrong the attention. but it's wrong because they shouldn't be impinging private property. >> so people might. >> and if so many people might. i'm pen, i'm going to i'm waving my pen, i'm going to put my pen down. my mum would tell me off. that's manners. tell me off. that's bad manners. if people are so if so many people are so concerned. saying like concerned. you're saying like loads are concerned loads of people are concerned about agenda. do for about this agenda. why do for example, party get example, the green party get pretty nowhere in things pretty much nowhere in things like elections if everyone is so passionate that like elections if everyone is so pas:refer:e that like elections if everyone is so passrefer to? that you refer to? >> well, i don't think anyone would this is would would claim that this is necessarily majority opinion necessarily a majority opinion yet in the public and why greenpeace taking greenpeace are taking actions such this is because they such as this is because they want make the public want to make more of the public aware extreme action aware of the extreme action which sunak taken and which rishi sunak is taken and i think this also comes with an analysis of the media. >> right. so you're saying if people to change policy, people want to change policy, they get elected. now we they can go get elected. now we do long history of civil do have a long history of civil disobedience this country as disobedience in this country as a your voice heard. a way to get your voice heard. we also have and i have a very strong critique of the fact that so much of our media this

so much of our media in this country owned by very rich, country is owned by very rich, wealthy people, which means that unless billionaire unless you have billionaire backers , of only ways to backers, one of the only ways to try shape the media agenda try and shape the media agenda is to take extreme controversial actions such as this. the only way get in headlines is way to get in the headlines is to do something controversial. it's much easier to set the agenda have billionaire agenda if you have billionaire mates who help you start mates who will help you start a channel million. it's channel for £20 million. it's much if you are an much harder if you are an environmental protester and the billionaire oil barons aren't so keen your agenda. well, some keen on your agenda. well, some of these groups like just stop oil. >> they have billionaire or millionaire mean, millionaire backers. i mean, they're not short of a bob or two, but, you know, would two, but, you know, i would still is not an extreme still say this is not an extreme opinion. this is a majority opinion. this is a majority opinion that people do not want climate alarmism. we don't want net zero policies. we don't the majority of the public want net zero. no no, i don't think so. i don't think the polling shows. no, don't think so. i think no, i don't think so. i think that's what we're getting through. some the mainstream through. some of the mainstream media the main. >> you think the pollsters have just up actually just made it all up and actually people against you can't tell. >> you can't tell some sometimes

the know, they do the polls, you know, they do surveys which get them the right results by asking the right questions. i know of questions. but i know a lot of people who to carry on people who want to carry on using petrol and diesel using their petrol and diesel cars. if you said to people, do you want in 2030, which is to be banned in 2030, which is what is what the conservative party is saying, of people saying, the majority of people will say, no, i don't want to have to give up my petrol and diesel you asked people diesel cars. if you asked people would to give your would you want to give up your gas have a heat gas boilers and have a heat pump, would say no. if you pump, they would say no. if you said, would you want more expensive electricity because we're get rid all we're going to get rid of all our coal, oil and gas and go to wind and solar. more people would because they don't would say no because they don't want more expensive electricity. so do. so it depends on what so you do. so it depends on what question what question you ask people, what result in a poll. result you get in a poll. so i think you hit on an important point there. >> the polls generally >> what the polls generally say is do net zero. they is people do back net zero. they are concerned about climate are very concerned about climate change. do want policies to change. they do want policies to try stop it or to limit it. try and stop it or to limit it. i think that's the only thing that's what that's possible right now. what they that they don't they do say is that they don't want have to pay loads of to want to have to pay loads of to money do that, and i think

that's very reasonable. i think that's very reasonable. i think that's have to this that's why we have to in this country put higher taxes on the super that super wealthy so that the government make sure that government can make sure that people have to spend extra people don't have to spend extra of income electric car, of their income on electric car, for example. can do with for example. we can do this with smart policy. for example. we can do this with smaralways. for example. we can do this with smaralways i roll i'm going to >> i always i roll i'm going to be i just i when be honest. ijust i roll when i hear this kind of, oh, we need to tax the super wealthy, we need to the it just need to tax the super. it just makes roll a little bit makes me roll a little bit because when you look at in terms income tax, the 1, terms of income tax, the top 1, i think pay something like i think they pay something like 28, 29% all income tax in 28, 29% of all the income tax in this country. when broaden this country. when you broaden that top 10, i think that out to the top 10, i think they pay something like is it they pay something like is it the 60% or something of all the top 60% or something of all income tax comes from the top 10. so it's like the wealthy. they a small fortune. >> well, so the big issue here is, is wealth, i think as much as income. >> so you've got lots of people who sitting a of who are sitting on a lot of property, a of wealth. and property, a lot of wealth. and have super rich? have you met the super rich? i mean, used to be a private mean, i used to be a private tutor and i've been in some of these people's houses and we could definitely a lot could definitely tax them a lot more currently do. so more than we currently do. so people a richer over the

people got a lot richer over the covid people have got covid pandemic. people have got or increased or inequality has increased since so there since the 1980s. so there are a lot of rich people a lot of lot of rich people with a lot of money, which we could tax. now, there of media there are a lot of media organisations that want to distract from often they distract from that often they are billionaires. are owned by billionaires. right? is it the case right? and why is it the case that billionaires want bunch that billionaires want a bunch of tell of media outlets that tell people to tax people it's impossible to tax the i find the rich? what i find interesting, i'm part the interesting, i'm not part of the elite wealthy all elite 1% super wealthy and all the it. the rest of it. >> and i've always said, in fact, my life i think i've fact, all my life i think i've always said, irrespective my always said, irrespective of my finances, i think finances, is that i think actually rich actually taxing the rich over taxing ridiculous. taxing the rich is ridiculous. it's you people are it's and when you say people are concerned zero, i'm concerned about net zero, i'm not surprised, frankly, not surprised, quite frankly, because weather because look at any weather forecast and age. because look at any weather fore

your bike. basically do a bit of delivering here and there and all of it help all the rest of it to help you with the of living crisis. with the cost of living crisis. patronising good old common patronising or good old common sense ? you me

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. gb news. >> hello there . i'm michelle >> hello there. i'm michelle dewberry till 7:00 alongside with leader of the heritage party, david kirton and the contributing editor at novara media, michael walker. i had a point to make to you and i remembered it now. i forgot it before the break. when we're talking about, oh, you know, media can only be media outlets that can only be created by these rich billionaires whatever is. billionaires or whatever it is. there story think there was a story today i think it front page of the it was front page of the telegraph. memory telegraph. if my memory from this right all this morning serves me right all about basically saying about ofcom. basically saying that people watching less that people are watching less and days. it's and less tv these days. it's more about online content. so actually anyone these days , if actually anyone these days, if you've got yourself a camera phone, which most people have set your media channel, set up your own media channel, then and i know you. that's exactly what you guys did. >> done we get >> we have done that. we get 6 million views month. so what million views a month. so what your we do your media about then but we do have mainstream have less impact on mainstream politics. so what i would say is i think we've been doing our communicating. we've doing communicating. we've been doing no, like no, i think well, i'd like to think a very think i'm a very good communicator, because we communicator, but because we don't in don't have a tv studio in central because don't central london, because we don't have to be a, you have a licence to be a, you know, a broadcast channel, we

don't politicians who feel don't have politicians who feel that have to on our that they have to come on our show. does, i think, show. and that does, i think, give less influence on the give us less influence on the mainstream political and mainstream political agenda and to get on shows like where to get on shows like this where you have a central london you do have a central london studio, very easy for you studio, it's very easy for you to get cabinet ministers and to get cabinet ministers in and shadow ministers in. shadow cabinet ministers in. >> choice, we'd >> well, given the choice, we'd have a studio in hull if any of the listening, the bosses are listening, i'd move an hour. move there in an hour. >> maybe, maybe lobby that. >> maybe, maybe lobby for that. but what i'm saying. but you can see what i'm saying. so it is possible for so i think it is possible for lots people gain lots of people to gain a viewership as we have viewership online, as we have done novara media, but also done at novara media, but also there harder to there is the influence harder to get right? get the influence right? >> registered it >> i've got it registered it right, sandy says. been right, sandy says. i've been a member since the member of greenpeace since the 70, always supported 70, says, i've always supported their i do not their activities, but i do not agree with this . marilyn says, agree with this. marilyn says, where were the police protecting rishi sunaks house? i think you raise a fascinating point there, marilyn, about how on earth is it possible to just randomly wander up to the prime minister's house and do whatever? because today, quite frankly, people shoving frankly, it was people shoving a bit fabric over the window. bit of fabric over the window. who knows could be who knows what it could be tomorrow. that is quite

tomorrow. so yeah, that is quite alarming, terms alarming, actually, in terms of the seeming seemingly lack of security at that property. and good luck by the way, if anyone does decide to try and defend their property in this day and age, because i don't think people should be able to protest at property. heaven at your property. but heaven help defend help you if you try and defend your of course, people your property. of course, people the feels like often it the law, it feels like often it is on the side of the people that doing that they that are doing stuff that they shouldn't to the shouldn't be as opposed to the people want to defend people that just want to defend their don't get their home. but don't even get me that topic. let's me started on that topic. let's talk 50s, shall we? it's talk over 50s, shall we? it's been over get been suggested that over 50 get on their bikes. this been suggested that over 50 get on their bikes . this is on their bikes. this is according mel stride, the according to mel stride, the works and secretary. works and pensions secretary. it's about the kind of cost it's all about the kind of cost of living crisis and how people can help alleviate that in their own lives. kevin says. what a nerve over 50 to get on their bike , he says, why aren't they bike, he says, why aren't they aiming it at the under 20s? he says, oh, i know, because they wouldn't be able to deliver stuff because they'd all still be laying bed . annie andy be laying in bed. annie andy says, i'm 57 and i took my pension early. best thing i ever

did. i've got a message for the government. you get on your bike and and stuffed, he says. and go and get stuffed, he says. michael your thoughts? >> well, i mean, i mel >> well, i mean, i know mel stride someone in stride has spoken to someone in his 50s, think, who has his 50s, i think, who has started for deliveroo started working for deliveroo and reasonably and found it reasonably enjoyable and productive for his life. >> i think that's probably not going to apply to many over 50. i don't think it's going to be a particularly attractive job. >> recorded 62% >> deliveroo recorded a 62% increase riders aged over 50 increase in riders aged over 50 since 2021. >> well, i suppose what was that from? and to also, i think we've got about, you know, got to talk about, you know, we've to talk about what we've got to talk about what choices you're people. choices you're giving people. i think to think it's also important to note there is a bit of note here that there is a bit of a lottery when it comes to who over feel they to over 50 will feel they need to work not, the reason work or not, because the reason so people went out of the so many people went out of the workforce during covid 19 is because that because lots of people from that generation home. gone generation own a home. it's gone up over the last two up in value over the last two decades they can basically up in value over the last two decadon they can basically up in value over the last two decadon the they can basically up in value over the last two decadon the basis:an basically up in value over the last two decadon the basis ofi basically up in value over the last two decadon the basis of that. :ally retire on the basis of that. now, parents in that now, my parents are in that category. you know, could category. you know, they could retire work retire early. they didn't work harder than else, but harder than anyone else, but what they did do was buy a house in london in the early 80s. it's gone up in price by about ten

times. that means that you times. and that means that you have cushion, of have that cushion, which lots of other so other people won't have. so i think somewhat unfair for think it is somewhat unfair for the conservatives basically to say people, you've worked say to people, if you've worked hard your life, but you're say to people, if you've worked harrlucky'our life, but you're say to people, if you've worked harrlucky enough but you're say to people, if you've worked harrlucky enough tort you're say to people, if you've worked harrlucky enough to own j're say to people, if you've worked harrlucky enough to own a'e say to people, if you've worked harrlucky enough to own a house not lucky enough to own a house in a big city, why don't you go work deliveroo? work for deliveroo? >> only suggestion, >> but it's only a suggestion, though saying. he's not though he's not saying. he's not actually saying to people, isn't it by the way, it right. you you by the way, i found this notion that over 50 is old. i find that really peculiar. pack to peculiar. but if i pack that to a taxi, i don't think 50 is the age where suddenly you're suddenly the suddenly old. but anyway, the pack he's not saying to pack that he's not saying to people. there . i hope people. right, you there. i hope you get on that bike what he's saying in today's saying is basically in today's society , maybe the job market society, maybe the job market has evolved . there are many has evolved. there are many opportunities that flexible. opportunities that are flexible. you or as little you can do as much or as little as want. of people as you want. a lot of people perhaps might be aware perhaps might not be aware of the gig economy perhaps might not be aware of the it gig economy perhaps might not be aware of the it could gig economy perhaps might not be aware of the it could work. economy perhaps might not be aware of the it could work. so nomy perhaps might not be aware of the it could work. so it my perhaps might not be aware of the it could work. so it was how it could work. so it was just a suggestion. >> yeah, i think it's mildly insensitive for him say insensitive to for him to say that, because think there's that, because i think there's a lot of over who would want lot of over 50s who would want to out and start working for to go out and start working for deliveroo cycling around deliveroo and cycling around delivering. not? what's delivering. why not? what's wrong that? it's wrong with that? no, it's nothing with at all.

nothing wrong with that at all. and people are doing and some people are doing it, like said, they've an like you said, they've had an increase number of people increase in the number of people who it, it's not who are doing it, but it's not something everybody. but something for everybody. but i think saying, what's think what he's saying, what's insensitive, you're not a snowflake, david. >> no. why think it's >> no. why do you think it's insensitive? i'm not. >> times are hard at the >> because times are hard at the moment. very, very moment. we've had a very, very hard time with the covid, the economy has been messed up because the government's because of the government's policies. i mean, i completely disagree with the lockdown that happened, has caused a happened, and that has caused a lot and medium sized lot of small and medium sized businesses to go bankrupt . so businesses to go bankrupt. so a lot of people's lives have been completely turned upside down because of what happened over the last three years. and we're in a situation now, now where the that some people the security that some people have before the covid period has gone, it's evaporated. so some people are in a situation now . people are in a situation now. now they find themselves in a situation where they don't have a job, where they don't have the security that they expected to have work have through a lifetime of work because of what happened over the so i think the last three years. so i think for those people in that for those people who are in that situation, a bit situation, it is a bit insensitive. i'm not insensitive. i mean, i'm not snowflake all, but i mean,

snowflake at all, but i mean, this advice is advice you this advice is some advice you could to someone of any could give to someone of any age. you know, if you don't have age. you know, if you don't have a job, go and get a job. and if you need to retrain , go and you need to retrain, go and retrain. look at other opportunities and that's fine. i know of people their know a lot of people in their 50s who who have 50s now who are who who have retrained as lorry drivers, for example . that's another option. retrained as lorry drivers, for exarthey're hat's another option. retrained as lorry drivers, for exarthey're doinginother option. retrained as lorry drivers, for exarthey're doing fine. er option. retrained as lorry drivers, for exarthey're doing fine. they're]. and they're doing fine. they're getting on fine . getting on fine. >> you see, i think one of the reasons that they're getting at here that 8.6 million people here is that 8.6 million people are classed as economically inactive and more than 3.4 million of them are over 50. but under the age of retirement now , andy, just message. he says he retired early. i don't want to work and good for you. but i think and i am not mel stride obviously . but i think what obviously. but i think what they're trying to do is kind of trying to galvanise and make more productive a workforce that perhaps might be sitting there and thinking , well, i don't know and thinking, well, i don't know what i do. what options what i could do. what options are available for me? am i are there available for me? am i past will anyone employ me? past it? will anyone employ me? am i whatever? and am too i old or whatever? and the government can't win because

when to things like, i when it comes to things like, i don't know, just their food bank usage, from the usage, if anyone from the government dare utter sentence government dare utter a sentence such asi government dare utter a sentence such as i don't know or you know , as opposed to doing this, what about trying to do that then they they absolutely they get they get absolutely lambasted out of touch lambasted for being out of touch and insensitive. if now they're saying people, look, saying to people, look, maybe you're the the you're not aware the life the workplace evolved. there's workplace has evolved. there's this working this whole new way of working available to people. they available to people. then they get insensitive . they get older, insensitive. they can't really win, can they? well i one level, i agree i mean, on one level, i agree with that we potentially with you that we potentially focus what this focus too much on what this politician politician politician or that politician has then we offended by >> and then we get offended by it. think the policy it. i think the policy matters more and think we can more here. and i think we can probably all agree that, you know, until 65 know, working until you're 65 doesn't bad thing. doesn't need to be a bad thing. right. of people, that right. for lots of people, that bnngs right. for lots of people, that brings their life value it, brings their life value to it, gives dignity. keeps gives them dignity. it keeps them of the house on a them going out of the house on a regular saying regular basis. so i'm not saying everyone able everyone should be able to retire obviously retire early. i'd obviously prefer to be more of a choice prefer it to be more of a choice than people feeling that they're forced to work. >> quickly you >> let me very quickly ask you this, and this, rob. he says, i'm 72 and i would welcome the idea of a part time job boost my state time job to boost my state pension. says. how about

pension. he says. how about letting tax free letting pensioners work tax free as incentive to us back as an incentive to get us back into workplace? what do you into the workplace? what do you make into the workplace? what do you ma i; that sounds like >> i think that sounds like a very idea. >> i think that sounds like a verthere idea. >> i think that sounds like a verthere you a. >> i think that sounds like a verthere you go, rob. likes >> there you go, rob. he likes it. get get your suggestion it. get your get your suggestion in sunak. you never in rishi sunak. you never know. he could potentially take up he could potentially take you up on you think it's on that. would you think it's fair a pensioner return fair for a pensioner to return to workplace and not have to to the workplace and not have to pay to the workplace and not have to pay tax at all? that's viewer rob's suggestion . i'll open it rob's suggestion. i'll open it to you, viewers at home. what do you that good idea or you make to that good idea or not? and me ask you this . do not? and let me ask you this. do you here in the uk it all you think here in the uk it all feels little bit under feels a little bit under undemocratic or there's been suggestions that actually here the needs and the wants and all the needs and the wants and all the rest of it are minority groups are now superseding that of the majority population . is of the majority population. is that accurate? some are saying a suggestion that perhaps an uprising in some form is on the way . what do you make your way. what do you make your thoughts that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> i'm alex deakin and this is

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>> hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co. with me michelle dewberry tl7, leader of the heritage party. david curtain alongside me and the contributing editor at novara media, michael walker. so many people disagreeing with you, michael walker. you said that

it's okay basically, as long as you think that the occupants are out of the house. it's to okay protest. i have to say, most of my viewers completely, entirely disagree with you . how in these disagree with you. how in these days everyone tells everyone, don't they, when they're going on holidays? all over social media? i remember back when i was younger and we used go on was younger and we used to go on houday was younger and we used to go on holiday as a family. you used to do everything possible try do everything possible to try and wasn't. you and pretend that you wasn't. you used timers your used to have timers on your lamps. your next lamps. you used to get your next door neighbour to move your milk bottles, there bottles, make sure that there was these was no post hanging out. these days, everyone post their holidays all over social media and why they and then wonders why they get burgled. anyway , talking burgled. madness anyway, talking about over 50 potential about over 50 doing potential deliveries . lots of alan, says deliveries. lots of alan, says michelle. many people over 50 have problems with their joints . it's unrealistic to expect them able to do more them to be able to do more physical jobs . terry as if to physical jobs. terry as if to prove your point, there , he prove your point, there, he says, to get on my says, i'd love to get on my bike, but been waiting for bike, but i've been waiting for ten see a surgeon for ten months to see a surgeon for a knee replacement. i'm not laughing you need a laughing at the fact you need a knee i'm just knee replacement. i'm just laughing at the fact that

actually spot good laughing at the fact that acturify spot good laughing at the fact that acturify are spot good laughing at the fact that acturify are spot tryingi laughing at the fact that acturify are spot trying to luck if you are indeed trying to get to in see a surgeon for anything these days. would anything these days. is would is there there that there anyone out there that would there and go and would sit there and go and deren would sit there and go and deliver, know, pizzas , deliver, i don't know, pizzas, whatever dennis says, i would be out there riding my bike. but quite , i'd be terrified quite frankly, i'd be terrified about getting mugged whilst i was it. so there you go. now, was on it. so there you go. now, let you this. do let me ask you this. do you think living in think we're living in a so—called dictatorship think we're living in a so—(isled dictatorship think we're living in a so—(is how dictatorship think we're living in a so—(is how one dictatorship think we're living in a so—(is how one journalist p think we're living in a so—(is how one journalist has that is how one journalist has summarised the uk. i have to that is how one journalist has summarised the uk . i have to say summarised the uk. i have to say this is an article that was in the telegraph. it's actually quite fascinating. it incorporates many different points. david qatar but he says things like he talks about the cartel of westminster. he says that the three main parties basically there's not a drop between them on the key issues. he talks about the fact that pubuc he talks about the fact that public opinion is just completely highly ignored. basically on on many things that if there were a referendum to be called on them, that actually those policies would be chucked out of the window if the outcome was be respected . and he goes was to be respected. and he goes on to say that he thinks that

perhaps be some form perhaps there would be some form of uprising on its way in this country. what scares you? >> yeah, there needs to be >> yeah, well, there needs to be some change. i don't there some change. i don't want there to violent uprising, but to be a violent uprising, but i want be change at the want there to be a change at the ballot which i ballot box, which is why i started party. of started the heritage party. of course, what think is course, because what i think is that there is a uni party they like you said, have like you said, they have coalesced of the policy coalesced in terms of the policy positions that they have and they are against what the majority people want . majority of the people want. they climate alarmists. they are climate alarmists. they, , we talked about they, you know, we talked about net they're net zero earlier. they're pushing they to get pushing that. they want to get rid cars and petrol rid of cars and petrol and diesel cars . they are pushing diesel cars. they are pushing the agenda. we have this the trans agenda. we have this relationships and sex education in school and many, many other things. we have mass immigration and whatever rishi sunak is saying about it and whatever bills he's putting through parliament, on. parliament, it goes on and on. and people don't want and on. and people don't want these and these kind of things. and on any of those issues , like you say, of those issues, like you say, if there was a referendum, people that. people would vote against that. we control our we would vote to control our borders. would vote to borders. we would vote to protect children from sexualization schools . we sexualization in schools. we would vote to keep our cars and things like this. we would vote

to cheap energy. would to have cheap energy. we would probably not to go to war probably vote not to go to war in ukraine and escalate that as well . that's another issue. so well. that's another issue. so i think that there's all of these things that all the parties have coalesced on and we need a change. i mean, i was at the forefront of the freedom movement, if you like, during the lockdown. i opposed lockdowns. i opposed the no jab, no job regulation that they brought in. and i think at that point was a bit of an point there was a bit of an uprising and pushback. uprising and a pushback. and then lockdowns were lifted then the lockdowns were lifted and no jab, no job and the no jab, no job regulations were lifted as well. there needs to be something else like take credit for >> you don't take credit for that i like to take that because i like to take credit for the no jab thing myself. out date the myself. we did an out date the mandate campaign on this program. it well, program. i remember it well, actually. anyway, what drew me to all this topic? >> no, mean, i'm in some >> no, i mean, i'm in some agreement article, agreement with this article, i think, different reasons, think, for different reasons, though are a lot though i think there are a lot of people who are ignored in society at the moment, and i think that's because our two think that's because of our two party so party system essentially. so because got two parties, because you've got two parties, you've past post, you've got first past the post, that parties are that means that both parties are appealing of appealing to the same group of

swing think will swing voters who they think will decide the next and decide the next election. and that else that means that everyone else gets one to gets ignored. now, one way to resolve have endless resolve that is to have endless referendums every topic under referendums on every topic under the sun. the other way is to have proportional representation . have a system . so you have a system whereby you can smaller parties who you can have smaller parties who can gain 10% of vote and can gain 10% of the vote and then of the mps . now then have 10% of the mps. now what that mean? that would then have 10% of the mps. now what that that mean? that would then have 10% of the mps. now what that people1ean? that would then have 10% of the mps. now what that people like? that would then have 10% of the mps. now what that people like? thwho ould mean that people like me who want environmental want stronger environmental policies, i vote for the policies, i could vote for the greens. in parliament greens. then in parliament they can with other can negotiate with the other parties to get that through. people you, you can vote people like you, you can vote for wing for probably a more right wing party own party. party or your own party. i suppose. can have some suppose. and you can have some people parliament who want suppose. and you can have some peo sort parliament who want suppose. and you can have some peo sort of’arliament who want suppose. and you can have some peo sort of socially nt who want the sort of socially conservative policies that you want they all want and then they can all negotiate out with negotiate it and come out with some compromise. think negotiate it and come out with sonreferendumimpromise. think negotiate it and come out with sonreferendum idea)mise. think negotiate it and come out with sonreferendum idea you e. think negotiate it and come out with sonreferendum idea you saythink negotiate it and come out with son referendum idea you say that the referendum idea you say that as you say, oh as though it's like you say, oh yeah, all negotiate it yeah, they'll all negotiate it and reach some kind of compromise though like compromise as though it's like a really at this really simple thing at this moment bearing mind moment in time, bearing in mind the have got an 80 seat the tories have got an 80 seat majority, it takes them a lot of time and effort to try and pass things. >> if you've got this kind of >> so if you've got this kind of hung with all of hung parliament with all of these groups these fragmented groups representing completely polar opposite trying to

opposite opinions, trying to quote you, negotiate , that is quote you, negotiate, that is going to be quite a complex long winded some would say. you know west situation and what we've got now well in a way there's actually lots of benefits to that. >> so one of the reasons that or one of the theories behind why sort germany and have sort of germany and france have stronger than stronger levels of growth than we do is because they have more policy continuity. we policy continuity. what we have in is you've got in this country is you've got one another one majority to another majority. as the tories majority. as soon as the tories get want get into power, they want to change everything. as change everything. as soon as labour get into power, they want to everything. to change everything. very difficult plan difficult for businesses to plan ahead. in somewhere difficult for businesses to plan ahergermany in somewhere difficult for businesses to plan ahergermany example,newhere like germany for example, is policy change slowly , policy does change more slowly, but changes. tends to but it changes. it tends to change in a more sort of rational and you end up rational way. and you end up with a more stable economy and it's productive. with a more stable economy and it's i roductive. with a more stable economy and it's i rodwfascinating as >> what i find fascinating as well is voting habits. i think often people just almost vote the same way that they've always done because their granddad did, their grandma did. the mum did. the did, did. it's the dad did, they did. and it's almost like a like a habit as opposed to perhaps sometimes a considered choice based on the detail of what people are

saying. i don't know, maybe i'm wrong. get in touch and tell me your thoughts would you your thoughts and would you support proportional representation? is that the answer woes of this answer to all the woes of this country, or would it make things worse right? i've got a worse and look right? i've got a really interesting topic i want to touch before we finish to touch on before we finish this simple this program. simple question. a leaflet gone out asking do leaflet has gone out asking do you want to or would you be comfortable door comfortable living next door to a or traveller site ? it a gypsy or traveller site? it has been called racist. that leaflet the police are involved. is racist to say that your is it racist to say that your thoughts

hello there. i'm michelle dewberry till 7:00. the leader of the heritage party, david kirton, and the contributing editor at novara media, michael walker, alongside me tonight. now the conservative mp david tc davies. he is being criticised for sending out a leaflet asking if his constituency constituents were basically aware that a 9yp5y were basically aware that a gypsy and traveller sites was coming to their area.

gypsy and traveller sites was coming to their area . the welsh coming to their area. the welsh secretary has now been defended by the deputy prime minister, oliver dowden, for his actions . oliver dowden, for his actions. there were a few things on this leaflet that but for example, what they're trying to basically hint at is they're saying that the labour party is going to be pushing for new sites to open up and then they're asking people, would you be happy to live next door to a traveller site? now it's all kicked off basically . it's all kicked off basically. we there's been reports to the police and all the rest of it. and it's been said that this is very racist to even ask that question. joining me now down question. so joining me now down the best. some the line is alfie best. some would say he's one of uk's best known travellers, certainly one of the richest out there. he's also the chairman of wild crest parks in essex. evening, parks in essex. good evening, alfie . obviously you'll be alfie. obviously you'll be familiar with this story now and the about it, so the criticism about it, so particularly around the question of would you, for example, want to live next to a traveller and 9yp5y to live next to a traveller and gypsy park? is that racist in your mind ? i think if the

your mind? i think if the question was put another way, would i want to live next to an african american or a black english? >> i think then you'd you'd have an uprising. so i think the question itself already gives you the answer . you the answer. >> so when you say because i think that you're quite right, by the way, you wouldn't take the word gypsy or traveller out and be able to insert it with anything else. so why do you think then it is perhaps deemed okay to be able to put that where traveller where gypsy or traveller in there you can get away there and think you can get away with it if i think it's the last accepted abuse you know and travellers even on believe it or not, the traveller sites that are based around the uk. >> it is actually a criminal offence for anybody that is a non gypsy to live on those sites and pay rent . and pay rent. >> is that true? and do you think actually there are enough kind of, you know, legitimate legal traveller sites in this country or do you think there needs to be more?

>> i think in in in every society they need to benefit from society itself. and there does need to be more gypsy and traveller sites and they need to be located in the right areas, just like any other society . just like any other society. they're they need to have access to schools, medical doctors, just like any other society. why should they be any different? and look , i fly around the and look, i fly around the country looking at different parks and most of the parks that i see with gypsy and traveller sites are actually placed next to sewage works or next to industrial sites . industrial sites. >> so let me ask you this , and >> so let me ask you this, and i'm going to be quite blunt and i'm going to be quite blunt and ihope i'm going to be quite blunt and i hope you don't mind, because i think i'm from a place called hull , and i think i'm from a place called hull, and i can visualise right now in my mind's eye a particular park that we've got . particular park that we've got. and in this park, there have been frequent occasions now where travellers have gone into this park. they've got all different ways, they've removed

bollards, they've taken down things and left that park in an absolute disgrace. awful position, litter absolutely everywhere . human excrement on everywhere. human excrement on the floor. these are public playing fields and quite frankly, i wouldn't want to live next door to that mess. >> well, that's not living next door to that mess. and what i would say to you in every society there is good, bad and indifferent know there's not one society that's bad and there's not one society that's good, you know. >> but alfie, there are laws in this land. there are laws in this land. there are laws in this land. there are laws in this land . so if it's not legal this land. so if it's not legal to set up a campsite on, for example, a public field, example, a public playing field, then shouldn't doing it. then you shouldn't be doing it. and that does and if indeed that does then happen then it in an happen, then to leave it in an absolute mess, that's not acceptable , is it? i would agree acceptable, is it? i would agree with you it's not acceptable. >> and it shouldn't happen. but i go back to what i said just a moment ago. there are good, bad and indifferent in every race. just because you get a minority few that act outside of the law

doesn't mean to say that every one of them is the same . one of them is the same. >> no, i agree with you . >> no, i agree with you. >> no, i agree with you. >> otherwise, that would be saying that even people like myself are the same. there are good people in every race. >> i'm just going to throw it open my panel before the end open to my panel before the end of david carson, of the programme. david carson, what make today? what do you make today? >> think it's racist to >> i don't think it's racist to ask the question want to ask the question do you want to live next traveller site? live to next a traveller site? because a matter of because this is a matter of local policy and if local council policy and if there's a politician there talking about what the local plan is going to be in this case in monmouthshire, he has every right to say where should we put the traveller site? do you want it do you want it there? it here or do you want it there? and the question, are and ask people the question, are you change in the you happy with a change in the planning ? yeah. planning? yeah. >> come on, hang on david, >> so come on, hang on david, because wasn't like because this wasn't like a planning that there planning we all know that there was something hinted in that question. wasn't about would question. it wasn't about would you prefer planning wise it to be or would be there ? be there or would you be there? it wasn't there was like a it wasn't that. there was like a hinted under lined meaning towards wasn't towards it, wasn't there? michael know, i think that's michael you know, i think that's very disingenuous. michael you know, i think that's very don't enuous. michael you know, i think that's very don't think|s. michael you know, i think that's very don't think he was >> i don't think he was expecting oh, be, expecting the answer to oh, be, let's in that field

let's put it in that field instead field. and do instead of this field. and i do think point your guest think that the point your guest makes if was makes there about if this was a different minority is very much the mean, the the case. i mean, the conservative famously and conservative is famously and notoriously, had notoriously, infamously, he had a in the 1960s which a had a flyer in the 1960s which said if you an n—word for said if you want an n—word for a neighbour, vote labour . now, neighbour, vote labour. now, that has rightly gone down in history as absolute disgrace. history as an absolute disgrace. and i think it might be the case that look back at flyers like that we look back at flyers like this in the same way. now, i do think there is a problem whereby the given the government hasn't given enough traveller sites the government hasn't given enorthat traveller sites the government hasn't given enorthat creates traveller sites the government hasn't given enorthat creates tensions. sites the government hasn't given enorthaiszreates tensions. sites the government hasn't given enorthais alfies tensions. sites the government hasn't given enorthais alfie still sions. sites the government hasn't given enorthais alfie still there sites the government hasn't given enorthais alfie still there ?ites >> but is alfie still there? is alfie or has he gone? alfie there or has he gone? alfie, quick question one of my viewers is asking, and i don't know the answer to this, or maybe asking, do on maybe you do. he's asking, do on traveller sites have to pay things like council tax? what's the to that question ? the answer to that question? >> of course they do . no >> of course they do. no different than any other residential park around the country or any other residential housing estate. >> so that's the case on an authorised traveller. so if someone just rocks up at a playing field, that's the case as well. no no, of course not.

>> look, you're always going to you're always going to have like i've said, you're itinerant, you know, that are that aren't that are not the norm. there are a lot of very good that are out there and travellers that make a good benefit to society. >> roger that . >> roger that. >> roger that. >> good note to end on, alfie. thank you for your time, david. michael thanks for yours. time flies when you're having fun. dirk away. anyway, nigel farage. up dirk away. anyway, nigel farage. up next, the temperature is rising. >> boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> i'm alex deakin and this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. some wet and windy weather heading in for friday night and saturday, but for many friday will be a dry and a bright day with perhaps more sunshine than perhaps a bit more sunshine than we've of late. the wet and we've had of late. the wet and windy for saturday windy weather for saturday coming area low coming from this area of low pressure it, though, pressure ahead of it, though, a ridge is trying ridge of high pressure is trying to move in. it's not completely across uk though, so still across the uk though, so still some heavy showers around this evening indeed overnight. evening and indeed overnight.

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