high street store wilkos . this high street store wilkos. this time goes into administration . time goes into administration. can we find any reasons to be optimistic? meanwhile banks have been told to clean up their language, including ditching the words male and female to describe it . connectors or describe it. connectors or plugs? what and the queues might be slow , but the speed with be slow, but the speed with which the nhs is racing towards privatisation just got a bit faster. is that now inevitable? plus is the bbc's was forced to

apologise for calling auntie ulez protesters far right. how important is this issue going to be in any upcoming elections? all of that to come tonight on dewbs& co. with me bev turner turner. but first, the very latest news headlines with erin armstrong . armstrong. >> very good evening to you. i'm erin armstrong in the gb newsroom. a mother and stepfather have been jailed over the death of a baby boy in derbyshire. craig couch has been sentenced to life with a minimum term of 28 years for the murder of the ten month old jacob. he'd suffered 39 rib fractures and several internal injuries and was found dead in his cot in december 2020. his mother, gemma barton, who was convicted of child cruelty, will serve ten years. mrjustice kerr, in sentencing, said crouch, caused jacob acute physical and mental suffering . suffering. >> he was a small baby who had not yet learned to walk or talk.

saddle he never did so to state the obvious, he could not defend himself . second, for that reason himself. second, for that reason , your attacks on him were an abuse of trust of the grossest kind . and you knew he was kind. and you knew he was dependent on the adults caring for him to protect him from harm instead of protecting him . you instead of protecting him. you killed him . killed him. >> a tiktok influencer and her mother have been found guilty of murdering two men in a high speed car chase near leicester. mahek bukhari and her mother and sareen ambushed saqib hussain and mohammad hashim aijazuddin and mohammad hashim aijazuddin and rammed their car off the road after mr hussain threatened to use sexually explicit material to expose an affair he was having with ms bukhari's mother. two further defendants were also found guilty of murder, while three others were found guilty of manslaughter. the government is turning to the private sector in an effort to clear record nhs waiting lists. eight of 13 new community

diagnostic centres to be opened across england will be operated by independent companies. services, though, will be free to patients as the centres will carry out almost 750,000 additional scans , checks and additional scans, checks and tests every year. the latest figures show waiting lists are almost 7.5 million by the end of may, the highest since records began. may, the highest since records began . a man has been jailed for began. a man has been jailed for life with a minimum of 28 years for murdering the cousin of boxing champion tyson fury . the boxing champion tyson fury. the 22 year old liam o'prey stabbed rico burton during a brawl in greater manchester in august last year. he'd already a conviction for carrying a knife in public before the murder. russian opposition leader alexei navalny has been sentenced to a further 19 years in jail. vladimir putin's most vocal political critic has been found guilty of creating and funding an extremist organisation . he's an extremist organisation. he's already serving a sentence totalling up to 11 years for fraud and contempt of court,

which he denies. his supporters say all charges are politically motivated. in an effort to silence a man whose exposed corruption within the kremlin . corruption within the kremlin. meanwhile a russian warship has been seriously damaged in an attack by ukrainian naval drones . kyiv claims this footage taken from the drone captures the moment of impact in the black sea port of novorossiysk. a video circulating on social media then appears to show the same ship listing while being towed . moscow claims it towed. moscow claims it destroyed the two drones used in an attack and made no mention of damage or casualties . the damage or casualties. the controversial influencer , andrew controversial influencer, andrew tate, says he will be exonerated after being released from house arrest in romania. he and his brother have been held in bucharest , brother have been held in bucharest, charged brother have been held in bucharest , charged with brother have been held in bucharest, charged with human trafficking , rape and forming an trafficking, rape and forming an organised criminal group. they deny the charges against them . deny the charges against them. tate, who has british american citizenship, welcomed his release , saying the indictment release, saying the indictment is based on nothing and the

truth is beginning to prevail. all this weekend's planned strike by british airways staff has been called off after a significant pay deal was reached . the unite union says the agreement means around 24,000 employees will receive more than 13% increase over 18 months in their pay packets , plus a 1001 their pay packets, plus a 1001 off payment . industrial action off payment. industrial action was due to start at gatwick airport today and it would have lasted until tuesday . the mayor lasted until tuesday. the mayor of london has refused to water down the capital's ulez expansion , but has announced expansion, but has announced plans to expand its scrappage scheme. all londoners with a non—compliant car will now be able to apply for a grant of up to £2,000 to replace their vehicle . critics say the changes vehicle. critics say the changes are too little, too late. they come after the labour leader, sir keir starmer, urged sadiq khan to reflect on the ulez expansion following the party's by—election defeat in uxbridge and south ruislip last month . and south ruislip last month. this is gb news across the uk on

tv , on your digital radio and tv, on your digital radio and also on your smart speaker. now it is back over to . it is back over to. bev >> welcome to dewbs& co with me , bev turner. now joining me until seven this evening. my panel writer and political commentator conor tomlinson and author, broadcaster and firefighter paul embery. i didn't know that about you, paul >> you didn't know that? >> you didn't know that? >> i didn't know you were firefighter. >> well, i'm shocked. >> well, i'm shocked. >> is that you? proper job, everybody. >> that's my real that's a real job. this is not my real job. trust me. so that's my. that's my day job. my real job. far more useful. yeah. i will say, you came out swinging. this is my hobby. well, no, but a lot of firefighters jobs. firefighters have two jobs. >> the kind of >> that's always the kind of stereotype in it. are you not? not many fires to put out. not that many fires to put out. so have second form of. so you have a second form of. >> that's true. the >> yeah, that's true. but the reason they do it is not because they're all greedy. the reason they're all greedy. the reason they is because they're

they do it is because they're not paid very well their main not paid very well in their main job, despite what sometimes people by people are told by the government often government and others and often they're out and they're forced to go out and work hours in order to work extra hours in order to bump up income. bump up their income. >> well, we're glad to have >> well, we're very glad to have you. have you got a second job, conor? >> well, other than other than just this. oh, i'm writer and host eaters.com. host at lotus eaters.com. >> got it. okay you get >> got it. okay right. you get in touch with us this evening, won't is won't you? vaiews@gbnews.com is the twitter the email address or on twitter at right. first story. at gb news. right. first story. i know you, but i don't know about you, but sometimes feels like jeremy sometimes it feels like jeremy hunt to be his hunt seems to be trying his hardest to alienate working people drive all ornery hardest to alienate working peopl�*day. drive all ornery hardest to alienate working peopl�*day. people all ornery hardest to alienate working peopl�*day. people who 'nery hardest to alienate working peopl�*day. people who get! hardest to alienate working peopl�*day. people who get out of every day. people who get out of job and go to work in the morning to try and pay the bills into ground, he the into the ground, he said the interest rates should be kept sufficiently for sufficiently restrictive for sufficiently restrictive for sufficiently does sufficiently long. what does that isn't it that even mean? isn't it working? who working? people who are currently feeling the brunt of these measures whilst the banks are raking in, not passing are raking it in, not passing higher to higher interest rates on to savers, have they run out of ideas? well, this is what jeremy hunt said this week to our very own liam halligan, the of own liam halligan, the bank of england for last today say that we will avoid recession and in a

year's time we'll get inflation down to about 3, 2.8, i think is the number. >> so although it's very tough when interest rates go up for families or for businesses that have got loans , what those have got loans, what those forecasts are saying today is that if we stick to the plan, it is working and we will end up with a soft landing and we can avoid a recession. but what you're talking about is a very fine judgement, which is what we pay fine judgement, which is what we pay the monetary policy committee to do, completely independent of politicians, because we want to make sure they get it right . they get it right. >> why do i struggle to trust him ? connor tomlinson i mean, him? connor tomlinson i mean, i know, i know that the economy can be a subject which makes people out. we just think people zone out. we just think some of it is quite complicated. i just want the government to let money at the let us have more money at the end the month my bank end of the month in my bank account. when i hearjeremy account. but when i hearjeremy hunt talk like that, i'm still not what his long term not sure what his long term ambition is. are you? >> am sceptical as to whether >> i am sceptical as to whether or he actually wants the uk or not he actually wants the uk economy succeed because we economy to succeed because we

have many have been manipulated so many times government and times by both the government and the bank of england's messaging on economy. reason lots on the economy. the reason lots of is because of people zone out is because lots of people don't actually understand what inflation as understand what inflation is as well. think a yougov well. well, i think a yougov poll polled and poll recently polled them and they thought it was they said they thought it was lowering prices. no, inflation they said they thought it was lowerate prices. no, inflation they said they thought it was low rate pr change, inflation they said they thought it was low rate pr change, inflati> well, that's what i was. but he's saying, well, we're he's now saying, well, we're hoping not going hoping we don't we're not going to recession. to need a recession. >> well, he's hoping to >> well, because he's hoping to cling to his job because cling on to his job because there's rumours there's obviously rumours recently that recently in the daily mail that he slung out for being he might be slung out for being terrible. and why should we trust anything he says when his

record the pandemic, for record of the pandemic, for example, days he example, in the early days he was china's zero covid was endorsing china's zero covid policy. he came gb news policy. then he came on gb news and an exclusive when and gave an exclusive when trying conservative trying to run for conservative party saying, party leadership, saying, oh, under avoided under me, i would have avoided lockdowns. a snake. he'll lockdowns. he's a snake. he'll say to keep his job. say anything to keep his job. >> to be >> now you're supposed to be here. little bit more here. who's a little bit more right leaning? and that's how you conservatives, very you the conservatives, are very left why i say jeremy >> that's why i say jeremy hunt speaks can't ever speaks highly of you can't ever go on. >> paul. you go on. >> paul. him? go on. maul. >> paul. do you trust him? and i think there's a lot of talks, a lot of sense there. we feel like we're having sand kicks our we're having sand kicks in our eyes to the eyes when it comes to the economy and i just eyes when it comes to the econcsteal. and i just eyes when it comes to the econcsteal. this and i just eyes when it comes to the econcsteal. this is and i just eyes when it comes to the econcsteal. this is the .nd i just eyes when it comes to the econc steal. this is the thingust can't steal. this is the thing as well. inflation is normally generated are generated because people are spending we spending so much. so when we have the have times of boom and the government have government feel they have to bnng government feel they have to bring temperature in bring the temperature down in the economy, not the the economy, that's not the inflation no, it's inflation that we have. no, it's not there seems to not yet. there seems to want to solve it with increasing interest less interest rates, giving us less money to spend. >> and this is the mistake, the inflation that we're getting at >> and this is the mistake, the infl momentt we're getting at >> and this is the mistake, the infl moment is/e're getting at >> and this is the mistake, the infl moment is largelytting at >> and this is the mistake, the infl moment is largely as|g at the moment is largely as a result the in ukraine and result of the war in ukraine and the up of economy the opening up of the economy after pandemic. there's after the pandemic. but there's another it, which after the pandemic. but there's anothe|rarely it, which after the pandemic. but there's anothe|rarely about,:h after the pandemic. but there's anothe|rarely about, and we people rarely talk about, and we need focus on it's being need to focus on it. it's being dnven need to focus on it. it's being driven by profiteering of driven by the profiteering of

some companies. some of our big companies. they're making bucks and in they're making huge bucks and in doing so, it's that self—perpetuate effect in terms of driving prices up even more and actually unite the trade union have done some some detailed studies on this and they found recently that 60% of they found recently that 60% of the inflation we're experiencing in the system at the moment is as a result of some of these excess profits, this profiteering that we're seeing on the part of big companies. and isn't it funny that ordinary workers who are not actually responsible for driving this inflation at the moment, but they're told you have to you have to restrain your wage demands, you have to tighten your belt because of inflation. but when it comes to companies, the government never uses that same reason. they never say to companies, hold on a second, you guys should take a hit. you guys should keep your prices down. no, it comes to companies, no, when it comes to companies, the government kind of thinks, well, natural. well, that's perfectly natural. that's thing that's a perfectly normal thing for companies seek to make for companies to seek to make more increase their more money or to increase their pnces more money or to increase their prices as a result, to cover the

increase in costs in their overheads and so on. and yet when a worker says , well, do you when a worker says, well, do you know inflation at eight, know what inflation is at eight, nine, 10% the moment, i need know what inflation is at eight, nipayio% the moment, i need know what inflation is at eight, nipay increase|e moment, i need know what inflation is at eight, nipay increase of�*noment, i need know what inflation is at eight, nipay increase of thatent, i need know what inflation is at eight, nipay increase of that ratei need know what inflation is at eight, nipay increase of that rate in eed a pay increase of that rate in order counter that, they say, order to counter that, they say, no, you've to take the no, no, you've got to take the hit, to take hit hit, you've got to take the hit in terms real wages that in terms of your real wages that for me has always been a contradiction that the tory party have always have always peddled. that's that's >> but you see, that's that's what so baffling the what i find so baffling at the moment. that and what moment. conor is that and what paul says is right about the fact seems like the big fact that it seems like the big corporations are profiting enormously moment . and enormously at the moment. and i'm all i'm in favour of a free market. i don't want the government going into businesses and meddling, but but what's happening the moment, just happening at the moment, just inevitably because of their policy, is the smaller businesses are, you know, the decorator , the taxi driver, the decorator, the taxi driver, the garage owner. these people are going to struggle to make ends meet by the end of the year. and the conservatives were always the conservatives were always the party of small business. and this is why think it's a it's this is why i think it's a it's a controlled demolition, frankly. if you look jeremy hunts >> if you look at jeremy hunts economic advisers, as soon as he became chancellor, one of the

leading george leading guys was george osborne's protege, who then left to blackrock , the world's to go to blackrock, the world's largest fund , in bed with largest hedge fund, in bed with pretty every one of the pretty much every one of the leading shareholders of pretty much every company you could you could with the could list off in bed with the un in bed with the world economic forum and sort of economic forum and that sort of types. and like jeremy types. and much like jeremy hunt, the bank hunt, much like the bank of england well, england rishi sunak as well, they're spearheading central bank digital currencies. they're spearheading central bank digital currencies . they bank digital currencies. they would it so that frankly , would like it so that frankly, if the pound were to crash, there's convenient there's a very convenient replacement that can replacement currency that can come in. and so i do have to correct one thing, paul. it's not because of ukraine and not just because of ukraine and opening up. it's because of the quantitative easing that was conducted for the conducted to pay for the furlough now furlough scheme. and now the bank the only bank bank of england is the only bank centrally the world centrally throughout the world thatis centrally throughout the world that is conducting quantitative tightening the tightening by selling off the bonds try bonds to try and try and manipulate the economy. so manipulate the economy. we're so reliant american and reliant on the american and chinese that they're chinese economy that they're taking our taking a big gamble with our money. those money. but if both those economies we're economies fail as well, we're doing it possibly be that long term strategy. >> i don't accept that quantitative had quantitative easing has had the impact terms of the recent impact in terms of the recent bout inflation that that kind

bout of inflation that that kind of to think massively of seems to think it massively increasing hasn't increasing supply hasn't increased the interest rate rises we're seeing at the rises that we're seeing at the moment are going to be crippling in businesses, in terms in terms of businesses, in terms of terms people of families, in terms of people who into the end of who are coming into the end of their rate mortgages on their fixed rate mortgages or on track or whatever. track or mortgages or whatever. it's going to devastating for it's going to be devastating for those it also, i think, those people. it also, i think, takes us potentially into a recession. on the brink of recession. we're on the brink of a at moment. the a recession at the moment. the bank of itself has said bank of england itself has said that increase in the that the increase in the interest rates are like the ones that coming to are likely to that are coming to are likely to put 350,000 more people on the dole . that, of course, increases dole. that, of course, increases the chances of a recession. and what these interest rate rises do. they swell the coffers of the banks. we've seen in the first half of this year, the top four banks in this country, your hsbc, natwest, lloyds and barclays, amassed . nearly barclays, have amassed. nearly £30 billion in profits . now, £30 billion in profits. now, this this is 80% more than the same time last year. they have made a killing out of interest rate rises . and the people who rate rises. and the people who are paying for those interest

rate rises are ordinary families and businesses. there is a compelling case in my view, for a windfall tax on the excess profits of the banks and in a civilised society and economy. we would be doing that immediately. >> would to see the >> would you like to see the bank england be controlled by bank of england be controlled by the government ? the government? >> absolutely. i think independence far as it is independence as far as it is independent, don't independent, i don't really think think it acts in think it is. i think it acts in the interests bankers. the interests of bankers. i mean, bank, main mean, it's a bank, its main clients banks. i think it clients are banks. i think it sees things through the prism of a bank. the unaccountable officials make these officials who make these decisions through the decisions see things through the prism of the banks . and i just prism of the banks. and i just think the idea i mean, it's almost given now. people almost a given now. people think, it's absolutely think, no, it's absolutely fine independence. that was sensible. you all of the pundits you know, all of the pundits think was the right thing. think it was the right thing. all of politicians think all of the politicians think it was but we was the right thing. but what we did over a major did is we handed over a major plank of economic policy in terms of control of the money supply from democratically elected politicians who are accountable for their were accountable for their were accountable for their were accountable for those decisions in interest rates and in terms of interest rates and the we've given it the effects. and we've given it to faceless officials who have got no mandate. and so when they

make decisions, which will make these decisions, which will have a devastating impact on ordinary , what are the ordinary families, what are the politicians do? they say, not me , my , gov, it's not my responsibility anymore . the new responsibility anymore. the new labour 1997 labour government in 1997 gave it the england . go it to the bank of england. go and blame them. it's an absolute attack democracy. whole attack on democracy. the whole principle terms of the bank principle in terms of the bank of and whether are of england and whether they are truly don't think truly impartial, i don't think they're impartial all they're truly impartial at all because government and they're truly impartial at all bec bank government and they're truly impartial at all bec bank england/ernment and they're truly impartial at all bec bank england haveient and they're truly impartial at all bec bank england have got and they're truly impartial at all bec bank england have got the the bank of england have got the same agenda. the bank of england have got the sanle agenda. the bank of england have got the sani wouldn't agenda. the bank of england have got the sani wouldn't mind genda. the bank of england have got the sani wouldn't mind seeing >> i wouldn't mind seeing them brought but not this government control, but not this government control. happy control. i would only be happy once managerial types like once the managerial types like rishi sunak, like jeremy hunt were out in favour of were cleared out in favour of someone like danny kruger as the treasurer and then treasurer instead. and then we might responsible might get some responsible fiscal well, i'm a big fiscal policy. well, i'm a big fan of danny kruger. >> i like him very much indeed. but the polls suggest, but if as the polls suggest, labour gets in in the next election, whether that is end of 24 looking like it might 24 or even looking like it might even go into 25, think we even go into 25, i think we heard this week would it be in safe hands with keir starmer ? safe hands with keir starmer? >> close. i mean, >> no, not even close. i mean, the said he prefers davos to the guy said he prefers davos to westminster, of the guy said he prefers davos to wtechnocrat of the guy said he prefers davos to wtechnocrat as of the guy said he prefers davos to wtechnocrat as the of the guy said he prefers davos to wtechnocrat as the guys of the guy said he prefers davos to wtechnocrat as the guys that of a technocrat as the guys that are currently in. >> do you what, though? >> do you know what, though?

when preferred davos when he said, i preferred davos to westminster, i then watched when he said, i preferred davos to \aoftminster, i then watched when he said, i preferred davos to \a0f the|ster, i then watched when he said, i preferred davos to \a0f the westminstervatched when he said, i preferred davos to \a0f the westminster committee one of the westminster committee meetings what meetings that week. i know what it boris johnson and it was. it was boris johnson and partygate about partygate and it was all about the and combing through the minutiae and combing through in sort of in that ridiculous sort of satiric about satiric swiftian way about whether johnson had whether boris johnson had a piece or not. piece of cake or not. and i thought at that point i thought, yeah, means. yeah, i can see what he means. keir starmer at least, keir starmer because at least, at least in davos, they're coming up with ideas. at least they're with they're trying to come up with big issues. image, vision big issues. image, big vision stuff. agree with it. stuff. we may not agree with it. can at even can you look at him even remotely sympathetically through that remotely sympathetically through tha no, because ply him >> no, because they they ply him with to get him with cocktails to get him on board that's board with the agenda. that's it. well, let me come to >> well, right. let me come to you then, terms of you then, paul, in terms of this, the timescale we're looking here, interest rates looking at here, interest rates as we said, another quarter as we said, up another quarter of a% this week. the of of a% this week. the bank of england saying unemployment is going when do you think going to rise when do you think this is going to burst? this bubble is going to burst? and we are heading for and if we are heading for a crash, connor says, when crash, as connor says, when because think think lot of because i think i think a lot of people a really people going have a really rubbish this year. rubbish christmas this year. >> think the >> well, i think if the trajectory interest rates trajectory of interest rates continues the way it's going, there's indication they there's every indication they will. as i said, we're going to see hundreds thousands of see hundreds of thousands of

people out we're people thrown out of work. we're going see reduced demand in going to see reduced demand in the know what the economy. we know what happensin the economy. we know what happens in terms you know, happens in terms of, you know, dipping into a recession. we get into downward spiral where into that downward spiral where people get laid off. people then get laid off. there's less purchasing power in the economy as a result of that , companies lay more people off their profits are less. and it's very difficult to turn that whole thing around. the only whole thing around. and the only agency the power to turn agency with the power to turn that around government. you that around is government. you know, has to know, government has to lean against market logic in those circumstances. when everybody else tightening their belt. else is tightening their belt. but look, i mean, just coming back to the to the point about laboun back to the to the point about labour, i think labour would would would run a fairer economy. they generally do. i would say that because i'm on the think labour the left, but i think labour would want to run a fairer economy. >> so you can barely get further left this current left than this current conservative government in my opinion. well, i'd probably disagree >> well, i'd probably disagree with bev, but, but with you on that, bev, but, but i they'd run a think i think they'd run a i think they'd a fairer how, how interest. >> how, how, are this >> how how, how, how are this conservative government? do you see right? we've conservative government? do you see the right? we've conservative government? do you see the biggest right? we've conservative government? do you see the biggest taxright? we've conservative government? do you see the biggest tax burdenle've conservative government? do you see the biggest tax burden in/e conservative government? do you see the biggest tax burden in 70 got the biggest tax burden in 70 years. the years. well i think the government has done nothing to

challenge the increasing gap between and poor in this country. >> i think particularly if you look consequences the look at the consequences of the pandemic we've in pandemic, what we've seen in this and we're seeing this country and we're seeing it now interest rises now with the interest rate rises is a transfer in wealth from poor to rich, the biggest ever in history. we're seeing wealth and income concentrated in fewer and income concentrated in fewer and fewer hands at the top. i think we've got grotesque wealth and income inequality in this country, i don't think and country, and i don't think and by the way, i don't think labour really has got the answers to it fundamentally in terms how to fundamentally in terms of how to rebalance economy . don't rebalance the economy. i don't think has come up with think labour has come up with any ideas. how do we any serious ideas. how do we reindustrialise? do we make reindustrialise? how do we make ourselves competitive ourselves more competitive and productive ? what's the productive? what's the industrial strategy ? how do we, industrial strategy? how do we, you know , repatriate some some you know, repatriate some some of our industries and blue collar jobs that we've lost overseas? how do we make our currency more competitive? how do we manage demand, know what labour and the tories do these daysis labour and the tories do these days is say, do you know what? we'll step back and the people who best placed make who are best placed to make those bankers at those decisions are bankers at the and the bank of england and top

bosses, the market. bosses, and the market. >> it seems to me that wherever you look, you've a populist you look, you've got a populist opfion you look, you've got a populist option seems to be looking you look, you've got a populist opthe seems to be looking you look, you've got a populist opthe state seems to be looking you look, you've got a populist opthe state toems to be looking you look, you've got a populist opthe state to solve be looking to the state to solve everything. but great everything. but anyway, great start, much. start, guys. thank you so much. now, coming up in just a moment, is the term black market racist 7 is the term black market racist ? well, one authority ? well, one banking authority thinks that it is. and we'll give you another list of words that we're no longer allowed to use financial world. you

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tomlinson broadcaster tomlinson and author broadcaster and firefighter embry , one and firefighter paul embry, one of our viewers has messaged in to say, have you been living under a stone? for goodness under a stone? bev, for goodness sake, everybody knows that paul is fireman and a double for is a fireman and a double for the ginger winger. >> prince harry yeah, i get that too. >> is that what you get as well? well, i'm sorry that i didn't know that. >> i thought paul felder from the ufc actually, i. >> oh, yes, yes, yes. >> i think you're not a winger at and you look much at all, paul. and you look much more harry more handsome than prince harry as tell you, steve as well. let me tell you, steve says on the economy, we are well and martin and truly stuffed, martin said. unless on unless people, especially on lower wages, are given, decent pay lower wages, are given, decent pay as so many people pay rises, as so many people will discretion will stop any discretion spending, will stop any discretion spendingeconomy , that occurred services economy, that occurred to me, martin, especially at christmas where people christmas, where i work, people are part time so are going to go part time so they universal credit to they can get universal credit to get free dental rent help. and so many extra benefits. that's what feeling so many extra benefits. that's wha the feeling so many extra benefits. that's wha the state feeling so many extra benefits. that's wha the state will feeling so many extra benefits. that's wha the state will step feeling so many extra benefits. that's wha the state will step in eeling so many extra benefits. that's wha the state will step in at ing like the state will step in at the moment and the government doesn't control the banks. the banks control. the government says mark. look at they go says mark. look at how they go along with the markets. brought down the truss government.

right. those messages right. keep those messages coming, won't you? vaiews@gbnews.com. so british bank leaders have called for phrases such as black market to be banned for fears that they are discriminatory and racist. uk finance , a trade body for the uk finance, a trade body for the financial services, has issued guide on a guide on inclusive language , which also vetoes the language, which also vetoes the phrase man in the middle because of gender bias. so is the term black market racist ? if these black market racist? if these bosses just got too much time on their hands? connor, let me come to you. let me give you another couple of examples. you can no longer say i'd like to sanity check this . so like, if you're check this. so like, if you're in an office and you're coming up an idea, i often it up with an idea, i often do it in work here. if there's something i to about something i want to talk about on usual morning i'll on my usual morning show, i'll say, check say, can i just sanity check this you? apparently, this with you? apparently, i can't use that because it might suggest disability suggest a level of disability and be discriminatory about me. >> i want a sanity check. this entire situation, frankly, i mean. well the idea what they're trying to do here is they're

trying to do here is they're trying to do here is they're trying to associate the word black disparities or black with racial disparities or racial disparities . don't know. racial disparities. don't know. look through all mythological archetypes right to down in star wars, black and white, light and dark are just stand ins for something predatory and unknown versus something empowering and hopeful that has not got an explicit racial connotation in that that wasn't even the case in the 1500s when shakespeare did some wordplay in othello by using othello skin colour to then contrast these , he had to then contrast these, he had to make bridge . it wasn't make that bridge. it wasn't ginned because of because of ginned up because of because of racial discrimination and so what this is, is this is the manipulation language, manipulation of language, because fundamentally, they believe if you change the language, the world. language, you change the world. and eradicate any and if you if you eradicate any language anyone, language that offends anyone, you'll free you'll get to an offence free utopia . well, you're going utopia. well, you're just going to a mole to be playing whack a mole forever because people are always going invent new terms always going to invent new terms and get and you're never going to get rid from some people. so. >> so what is it? mean, so. >> so what is it? i mean, let me just you who just tell you who this organisation finance. organisation are. uk finance. i went to website just to went on to their website just to say us and we work on on say about us and we work on on behalf members to promote behalf of our members to promote

a and a safe, transparent and innovative finance innovative banking and finance industry. research, industry. we offer research, policy expertise, thought leadership and advocacy in support sort word support of it's sort of word salad, paul, that i lose the will live. i understand . will to live. and i understand. and value of language, and the value of language, i think is important and think language is important and i think have to use it i do think we have to use it carefully. should always use carefully. we should always use language carefully. we should always use langu'are ambiguous. i don't which are ambiguous. i don't like. i like everyone to understand the meaning words understand the meaning of words when them. but is this when we use them. but is this sort of thing, it's gone kind of too far . too far. >> it's insane. and it went too far. you can't and say, far. you can't say and say, well, might. we gb well, that might. we can on gb news can on gb news. but and news we can on gb news. but and you know, it went too far years ago. and of course, you know, we're we're long down. i say we i mean some of our major public institutions organisations institutions and organisations are long down the rabbit hole . i are long down the rabbit hole. i mean the logic of this is that you could say expressions like white lie or white elephant or something like that. there is literally this stuff. literally no end to this stuff. the minute you embark on that path, no end to it. and path, there is no end to it. and what i think and what i fear is that it has created some sort of ratchet effect. so you have

these institutions and corporations, big companies and organisations who have all kind of embraced this hyper progressive agenda , even though, progressive agenda, even though, you know, the vast majority of the mainstream out there in the country up and down the streets and towns of britain have got very little sympathy with it. but nonetheless, this is the world that they live they world that they live in. they live in this sort of little bubble. some of these big corporations. mean by corporations. and what i mean by the ratchet effect they're the ratchet effect is they're constantly each constantly looking to outdo each other. they're constantly looking next thing . so, looking for the next thing. so, you know, we've challenged racism . we've done, know , racism. we've done, you know, lgbt rights . we've done the lgbt rights. we've done the gender pay gap and stuff like that. what can we do next? and many of these organisations are we then have we because we can. i no, i think what i mean i think no, i think what i mean is i think what i mean is less than i think they accept it. i think they accept that they've made huge progress some of made huge progress on some of that their constant that stuff. so their constant shortly looking for the shortly then looking for the next thing and that is when you then get to, you know, name

pronouns on, badges and stuff pronouns on, on badges and stuff like and it's when you get like that. and it's when you get to documents like this telling you use the you that you can't use the phrase market, this is phrase black market, this is exactly the ratchet effect exactly what the ratchet effect is. constantly looking exactly what the ratchet effect is. outdo constantly looking exactly what the ratchet effect is. outdo eachistantly looking exactly what the ratchet effect is. outdo each othery looking exactly what the ratchet effect is. outdo each other and)king exactly what the ratchet effect is. outdo each other and d0|g exactly what the ratchet effect is. outdo each other and do the to outdo each other and do the same thing. to outdo each other and do the sanwhoing. to outdo each other and do the sanwho was it? kind of you might >> who was it? kind of you might know? who was it who said as soon to police your soon as you start to police your language, living language, you're already living in oh i'm not sure in a tyranny? oh i'm not sure exactly was. in a tyranny? oh i'm not sure eanell, was. in a tyranny? oh i'm not sure eanell, somebody was. in a tyranny? oh i'm not sure eanell, somebody much;. in a tyranny? oh i'm not sure eanell, somebody much clever >> well, somebody much clever than i did said that recently. >> constantly >> if we're constantly policing what say, we're what we can and can't say, we're already living in under some sort tyranny, gdp , this is sort of tyranny, gdp, this is one want. so gross domestic one you want. so gross domestic product inherently product is now inherently sexist. is according to sexist. this is according to oxfam. yes. yes. do agree ? oxfam. yes. yes. do you agree? >> yeah, shockingly, yes. and right. so this article was published in the daily mail and people got their knickers in a twist about it because i think at this point we've heard the word sexist so many times, it's boy who cried wolf. but what oxfam saying and oxfam are actually saying and i was they came out with was shocked they came out with this, they said, you measure this, they said, if you measure everything just economic everything just by its economic output, doing everything just by its economic 0lyou're doing everything just by its economic 0lyou're undervaluing doing is you're undervaluing motherhood at home motherhood and stay at home dependent care. course, dependent care. and of course, that's because that's that's sexist because that's

saying, this is a this is saying, okay, this is a this is a male marker of success. a very male marker of success. enrolment in political power and ability to generate wealth , ability to generate wealth, historically speaking. so all women must conform to the male standard. and this was only possible sexual possible in in the sexual revolution in second wave feminism, of technology feminism, because of technology like control the like the birth control and the passing of legal abortion, which means are discouraged means that women are discouraged from taking means that women are discouraged from out taking means that women are discouraged from out of taking means that women are discouraged from out of work taking means that women are discouraged from out of work or taking means that women are discouraged from out of work or even, taking means that women are discouraged from out of work or even, as.ing time out of work or even, as jeremy hunt has recently done, palming their babies as palming off their babies as young as nine months old, to someone who else is paid to take care of them? the entire attitude around everything must register graph is register on the gdp graph is sexist because says, well, sexist because it says, well, women mothers women shouldn't be mothers and they continually they should just continually spin corporations spin the wheel for corporations or it could say men have to help with parenting , sure, but men with parenting, sure, but men can't do that as much. in the early years of a child's development. and the child benefits because the child benefits because the child benefits from skin on skin and voice contact with the mother hours . hours. >> you're talking hours for skin on skin. >> well, yeah, but if you're making the mum go back to work as possible and then as soon as possible and then

giving a child carer, giving them to a child carer, the child does not rationally know difference. actually know the difference. actually because the mum they've been gestated much more gestated in, they feel much more comfortable, they have many more benefits formula is also not milk with formula is also not nearly as good for a child's development. dad can't nearly as good for a child's developevery dad can't nearly as good for a child's developevery role. dad can't nearly as good for a child's developevery role. we're|n't replace every role. we're not interchangeable so it's interchangeable and so it's true. trying hold women to true. trying to hold women to men's standards participate men's standards of participate in the workforce is sexist. well, i yes and no . well, i yes and no. >> i am slightly with you on that.in >> i am slightly with you on that. in terms of the fact that the women's work is undervalued food, going to give you food, if i'm going to give you the doubt, the benefit of the doubt, i think you just said, connor think what you just said, connor tomlinson, work tomlinson, is that women's work is that is undervalued. the fact that women home, you're women should be at home, you're being by breastfeeding being generous by breastfeeding until are years until their babies are two years old, the world old, which is what the world health organisation wants us to do. paul health organisation wants us to do. paul. respond to that. >> i think i some sympathy that. >> ithe|k i some sympathy that. >> i the first some sympathy that. >> i the first partsome sympathy that. >> i the first part and; sympathy that. >> i the first part and; slittle thy with the first part and a little bit sympathy the second bit of sympathy with the second part what connor says. i part of what connor says. i think gdp has its place in terms of measuring activity the of measuring activity in the economy. the generally economy. that is the generally accepted it's you accepted metric and it's how you measure against and you judge yourself against competitors abroad and so on. but i do think there's an argument to say that

actually we should have a metric, isn't just metric, too, that isn't just about pound shillings and pence. that doesn't just focus on what's bought sold in what's been bought and sold in the economy, but actually looks at things like work life balance, looks at things like general and sense of general happiness and sense of well—being. and i would recommend people the best political speech heard political speech i ever heard wasn't alive at the time, but i've since robert f i've heard it since was robert f kennedy. original robert f kennedy. the original robert f kennedy. the original robert f kennedy senior at the university of kansas in 1968, he made of kansas in 1968, where he made this very point about he was talking about gross national product gnp, and he said that gnp we obsess about it, and it can tell us about nuclear warheads and it can tell us about napalm , but it can't tell about napalm, but it can't tell us about happiness of our us about the happiness of our children. tell about children. it can't tell us about the our poetry. the beauty of our poetry. i would really urge people to watch video. watch this video. >> robert kennedy junior >> what robert kennedy junior has been saying very, very similar things recently, actually, about actually, particularly about health. like him by the way? >> i've i've got some strong reservations but reservations about him. but equally, i think he said some important stuff. and he challenges the consensus in some areas, not a bad thing i

>> -- >> okay. you and i need to talk about gender issues again, one day. conor tomlinson i think we could quite a good toe to could have quite a good toe to toe that one. right. let me toe on that one. right. let me know views. toe on that one. right. let me kno be views. toe on that one. right. let me kno be referee. views. toe on that one. right. let me kno be referee. gbnews.com i'll be the referee. gbnews.com let's a quick look the let's have a quick look at the weather now. don't go anywhere . weather now. don't go anywhere. >> feeling inside from >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hi there. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office. with the gb news forecast another low this weekend. this one's been named storm anthony by the met office because of risk of office because of the risk of disruptive some heavy disruptive gales for some heavy rain for many others. storm anthony is arriving through friday night. it's this area of low pressure that has been named andifs low pressure that has been named and it's basically because it's arriving at such a busy time of year for holiday makers. people who are taking part in outdoor activities, camping, caravanning and so on. initially, it's the rain that is of concern overnight, especially across parts of northern ireland where the ground is saturated . that the ground is saturated. that rain heading into western parts of the uk by the end of the

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weather on. gb news. welcome back to dewbs& co with me bev turner this evening . turner this evening. >> now, are the tories trying to privatise the nhs? is it the right path or is the nhs simply beyond saving

conor tomlinson and i are still arguing about who should be looking after kids here. we're going to have that conversation of john has got in of the day. john has got in touch and said, even if women's work than not affects work more often than not affects more affects more often, not affects the economy , their and economy directly, their work and looking babies inevitably looking after babies inevitably helps men generate more helps the men to generate more wealth so it is wealth to the economy. so it is counted for gdp. done , counted for in gdp. well done, john. it's short minded not to see that and david said we were talking about language and whether black market is racist. he said , yes, it's racist, like he said, yes, it's racist, like blackpool black forest gateau, blackpool black forest gateau, black tooth whitening, black chocolate tooth whitening, etcetera. are we heading towards a non—white pool? i guess he means yeah . blackpool being

means yeah. blackpool being called non—white pool, right . called non—white pool, right. keep your views coming in with me this evening. gb views at gb news .uk. conor tomlinson and paul embery are still here. now the prime minister plans to tackle endless nhs waiting lists by private sector by increasing private sector involvement. independent companies could play a huge part in conducting scans and tests at community diagnostic centres, with plans for 400,000 scans. tests and checks a year. this comes as figures show that only one out of 122 nhs trusts are fulfilling cancer diagnosis and treatment targets. so are the tories quickly on their way to privatising the nhs and should they? we're going to talk now to stella smith, who has a business which provides a private gp service. stella, if you if you don't mind, just explain to us what it is that you do and why you have a dog in this fight, as it were . it were. >> yeah, of course. good evening. and essentially what perks does is it aggregates

together individuals. so workers in smaller companies or self—employed workers to deliver the kind of benefits you get if you worked in large you worked in a large organisation. that includes organisation. and that includes 24/7 access to a private doctor , unlimited appointments for the individual and everyone in their household 24/7 counselling and digital , virtual gym digital physio, virtual gym classes, gyms , money classes, discounted gyms, money off shopping and. and. and. off free shopping and. and. and. and is just and the price point is just £4.50 a month and people can cancel time. it's cancel at any time. it's incredibly affordable way. >> don't want to turn this >> i don't want to turn this into a commercial for your business, but just be clear, business, but just to be clear, so offering so you're offering a subscription a low price subscription on a low price subscription on a low price subscription model. it sounds in order access an nhs as and order to access an nhs as and when you need it and to access a private doctor rather than an nhs doctor. >> but all of the doctors are nhs registered . nhs registered. >> and then is there then is there an extra charge for the private doctor to see that doctor? >> you know, so and it's for unlimited issues. so i have a five year old, i've used it 13 times as a bit of a mother that has a child that has lots of temperatures. so you can have as many you want for £4.50

many as you want for £4.50 a month . month. >> okay. just sort of seems too good to be true. like it seems too good. >> it sounds that way . too good. >> it sounds that way. no, too good. >> it sounds that way . no, no, >> it sounds that way. no, no, no. absolutely but the whole point is technology plays a part. so what we do is we aggregate people together. so imagine if the four of us or the two on the panel and yourself, we opened a gym. if we opened a gym and we had running gym and we had ten running machines we 3000 members machines and we had 3000 members and tomorrow and they all turned up tomorrow at a problem at 10 am, we'd have a problem because not many people would come gym longer. in come to our gym any longer. in the have a lot of the same way we have a lot of data people use the data about when people use the doctors many. for doctors and how many. so for our 15,000 customers, need 15,000 customers, we don't need 15,000 customers, we don't need 15,000 doctors. it's that data that's by covid that that's been tested by covid that allows our point allows it. so i guess our point in this rather than a commercial, is , is that actually commercial, is, is that actually the use of technology dodi in helping those services when you've got you know, 17 odd or 7.4, 7 million patients waiting and you've got some real crisis points that we've had for many moons in many guises, many successes, governments . is there successes, governments. is there a role to play for people like

us who are really good at building technology trying to building technology in trying to help address some total solve? so but your your technology , so but your your technology, which is helping you in this situation is the fact that you can do zoom appointments. >> you do >> presumably, but you can't do zoom scans is you can't do zoom mri scans is you can't do zoom even have a look at my verruca in your nhs doctor . verruca in your nhs doctor. >> correct. and look , there's a >> correct. and look, there's a lot of it that's to do with resilience building and certain services where you can alleviate that pressure . not all of them that pressure. not all of them necessarily. so in your bigger question, to open , you know question, to open, you know think i don't know the answer of that and who's opinion is mine. but certainly i do know that we can use technology and private companies like my own to try and help support it. i think 7% of the budget already of the nhs is spent annually in the private sector and that's been there for many moons, you know, for since 2012. and before. but it's how can we use that right now to make a change? and i think we don't see successive governments

sitting in position where they they so they then see it through. and so we continue to have the same problem. and i just think being a technology person, i know that there's part technology there's a part that technology can play how can you get can play and how can you get that so you can get that relationship so you can get the best it to try the best out of it to try and make a difference. know, the make a difference. you know, the nhs you know, my mum nhs is human. you know, my mum had cancer, she treated by had cancer, she was treated by the unfortunately, best the nhs. unfortunately, my best friend yesterday the nhs. unfortunately, my best friershe yesterday the nhs. unfortunately, my best friershe in yesterday the nhs. unfortunately, my best friershe in clinic. sterday the nhs. unfortunately, my best friershe in clinic. youiay and she was in a clinic. you know, the afternoon. it's an know, in the afternoon. it's an amazing but there amazing institution, but there are problems and i think everybody on both sides of government , everybody is government, everybody is accepting of that and therefore, what can we do to change that now? >> okay, thank you, stella. stella smith, the ceo of perks, who are providing a private service . paul and when you hear service. paul and when you hear it like that, you think, well, that sort of sounds too good to be true. have we all just been brainwashed nhs? the fact brainwashed by the nhs? the fact that the only way in that the nhs is the only way in this country and why? why do we feel fearful when we talk feel so fearful when we talk about privatising it about privatising the nhs? it was you couldn't say was a phrase you couldn't say until very recently without being absolutely leapt upon that it it sacrosanct .

it would. it was sacrosanct. >> and no, i agree that no >> and no, and i agree that no pubuc >> and no, and i agree that no public institution should be sort of venerated or valorised in the way that sometimes the nhs is. and frankly , i'm a big nhs is. and frankly, i'm a big supporter of the nhs, but i'm slightly uncomfortable at the fact that it's almost now beyond criticism in certain circles , criticism in certain circles, and that should never be the case, particularly when you've got waiting lists as they are . got waiting lists as they are. >> yeah, 1 in 8 people currently on a waiting list. >> 7.5 people >> yeah. 7.5 million people waiting up since waiting for treatment up since 4.5 since before the 4.5 million since before the pandemic know, the pandemic. you know, it's the effects that's effects of lockdown, but that's a different but what i a different debate. but what i think nhs does it speaks think the nhs does is it speaks to many people's understanding of what it is to be a compassionate society. now, it doesn't mean you can't criticise the nhs , but in terms of the the nhs, but in terms of the concept where you say, look, whether you're rich or poor, whether you're rich or poor, whether you're rich or poor, whether you're a landowner or you know, or someone who sweeps the streets, if you drop down in the streets, if you drop down in the streets, if you drop down in the street from a heart attack, you will be picked up, you will be collected by an ambulance. it may sometimes these days take quite a long time, and you will

get treatment that you need quite a long time, and you will get willatment that you need quite a long time, and you will get will be|ent that you need quite a long time, and you will get will be|ent at|t you need quite a long time, and you will get will be|ent at the u need quite a long time, and you will get will be|ent at the pointd and it will be free at the point of delivery. and no one is going to check whether insured. to check whether you're insured. no to turn you out. no one is going to turn you out. you because that's you will get that because that's what society is what a compassionate society is about. paying for the about. it's about paying for the service taxation about. it's about paying for the servit's taxation about. it's about paying for the servit's there taxation about. it's about paying for the servit's there for taxation about. it's about paying for the servit's there for everybody |tion and it's there for everybody when you can't when they need it. and you can't get more critical than get anything more critical than health care. so i that is health care. so i think that is a key principle. not a key principle. i'm not ideologically you ideologically opposed to, you know, the private sector having involvement in the national health service where it's got the ability to get waiting lists down. for example, i don't necessarily think that's a bad thing. the core service has thing. but the core service has to be public hands. for me. to be in public hands. for me. >> even get word from >> i can't even get a word from you on this. >> i'm sorry. we've got to >> i'm so sorry. we've got to move on. we've got no time. but yeah, know what you think yeah, let me know what you think at now a tesla at home, won't you? now a tesla can set you back 40 grand. so is the by sadiq khan the £2,000 offered by sadiq khan in his scrappage scheme. even to going touch sides? don't go

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this evening. i was just reading this evening. i was just reading this out to conor from al. great to have conor on the panel. he has an agile brain and an intriguing, articulate manner. he should be in government not as women's minister, though. and oh, david said that i'm the thinking man. susanna reid, thank you very much. right now i like to think that when sadiq khan wakes up at 3 am. and turns over worries in his head, the issue of ultra low emission zones and traffic zones and low traffic neighbourhoods takes a starring role uxbridge. by role in the recent uxbridge. by election, tories election, the tories surprisingly seat. surprisingly held the seat. thanks. seems their thanks. it seems to their slightly pro car messaging slightly more pro car messaging of late . not really surprising of late. not really surprising when sadiq khan says things like this is what i find unacceptable though, is some of those who've got legitimate objections join in hands with some of those outside who are part of a far right group who are amazing. and this week the bbc had to say sorry after one of their news reporters described ulez protesters in this way, the ultra low emission zone held a

protest in central london today. >> local protesters and mainstream politicians were joined by conspiracy theorists and far right groups . and far right groups. >> connor tomlinson. how is that possible? the people who are at these protests, people like those who work with the together group? alan miller and co are fighting for small businesses for the right van man, for people who or woman for people who want to do their jobs and go around their life without being forced to buy a car that they don't to go. don't want to go. >> well, all all he's trying to do well because he do is poison the well because he knows untenable. all knows this is untenable. all this behavioural nudge this is a behavioural nudge policy. if he's policy. he knows that if he's seen the accurate graphs, the air quality in london has been improving year on year because funnily , as economic funnily enough, as economic growth improves, as environmental technologies improve , we use resources more , improve, we use resources more, more astutely, we use diesel just less over time because as other cars have become more efficient, he knows all that's true, but he wants to run motorists off the road anyway. so everyone in so he has to lump everyone in

with mid—century germans. with the mid—century germans. and funny thing about the and the funny thing about the end didn't get end of that clip that didn't get played some of them played was he said some of them are, are. some of are, some of them are. some of them are far right and some of them are far right and some of them are far right and some of them are tories. and i was very offended the offended because i think the tories wing, you tories are so left wing, you can't put them in same can't even put them in the same box. can't even put them in the same boxwhat make of it, >> what did you make of it, paul? where do you sit on this on this debate, the ulez issue paul? where do you sit on this on this but during the cost of living crisis, when people are struggling to make ends meet, i think the that should think the idea that you should penalise in penalise them further simply in many they're going many cases because they're going to sustainable. to work is not sustainable. now, i'd we discussed i'd have more and we discussed this channel recently, this on the channel recently, i would more sympathy with would have more sympathy with a ulez type scheme if we knew that pubuc ulez type scheme if we knew that public transport was of the quality that it should be. so if pubuc quality that it should be. so if public transport in london, for example, all was cheap , was example, all was cheap, was reliable, it wasn't overcrowded, there would be an incentive for people to use it . and where people to use it. and where people to use it. and where people still chose to use their cars, there might be an argument

to say, well, actually, you know, you are polluting the environment we're to going environment and we're to going we're going to levy a small charge on until get charge on you, but until you get to think it's to that point, i think it's unreasonable to people unreasonable to say to people that should be charged that they should be charged first step, renationalise the railways path to . railways on the path to. >> but you see the railway and i pubuc >> but you see the railway and i public transport system banging this drum long as i have this drum for as long as i have to railway is not to going to the railway is not to going help me as a mum trying to get three kids to swimming club or netball on a winter's night or pick up free bags of shopping from outside the local asda on a snowy day. >> no, i think that's true. there will always be domestic things people have things that people have to do where not going be where it's just not going to be practical to public practical to take public transport. but quite certain transport. but i'm quite certain that a lot of people that there are a lot of people in well. in london. i know london well. there must be thousands of people london drive to people in london who drive to work who could, if public transport cheap and reliable transport was cheap and reliable , would prepared, think, to , would be prepared, i think, to take transport. you take public transport. so you need right before need to get that right before you penalising. you start penalising. >> have ? >> why should they have? >> why should they have? >> read my mind? i was >> did you read my mind? i was just say that . why just going to say that. why should have car a should they have to the car is a

radical symbol of freedom and autonomy and of privacy. and for women often safety. yes. is that what that doesn't seem to factor into this debate ever. when i hear sadiq khan, he's clearly never run his kids to swimming club. >> no. and one of the one of the major things as well, the government recently commissioned a about a report, i think it's about 2 or years ago now. they said or 3 years ago now. they said what if we met our what would happen if we met our electric target electric car target and we replace of current replace loads of the current british electric. even british cars with electric. even if minerals to do it, if we had the minerals to do it, even if we had the charging points it, which they points to do it, which they don't and they know they don't and said going to and they said it's going to increase traffic. great. so increase traffic. oh great. so you've yourselves increase traffic. oh great. so you've reason yourselves increase traffic. oh great. so you've reason to yourselves increase traffic. oh great. so you've reason to discourage car another reason to discourage car usage mask off moment usage and the mask off moment really it's really about this is that it's not lowering emissions . not about lowering emissions. it's people from it's about stopping people from having private having independent, private transport can put them transport so you can put them on the the government can the one that the government can control because as soon as control is because as soon as they the electric cars, they bring in the electric cars, they're bring road they're going to bring in road pricing, they're going pricing, which they're going to control. little cameras pricing, which they're going to co there? little cameras pricing, which they're going to co there? all:le cameras pricing, which they're going to co there? all about1eras in there? so it's all about making expensive making it so expensive and inconvenient drive inconvenient for you to drive that you have to get there. that you just have to get there. >> would khan want >> but why would sadiq khan want to do that? >> but he's a member of the weaf, he openly posts the

weaf, like he openly posts the graphics on that. >> but in other words, that means that he's bought into a very big global vision of a world of 15 minute cities of a lack of personal freedom and a kind of top down lack of democracy, really , i would say democracy, really, i would say the power in the hands of the few. could it be that it does sound like it's stretching the realms of our imagination? >> i think there's a big disconnect between the governors and this and the governed in this country. if you're a country. and if you're a governor, if you're the mayor of london, if you're the prime minister, if you're minister minister, if you're a minister of state you will often you will always your own drivers. always have your own drivers. you you'll from a to you know, you'll get from a to b very easily. you do not have to suffer the stresses and strains that ordinary people to that ordinary people have to suffer . and that that ordinary people have to suffer. and that leads suffer. and i think that leads you make decisions you you to make decisions that you see the prism of your see through the prism of your kind of privileged place within society without understanding the ordinary people. the effects of ordinary people. i any i don't think any environmentalism thing. environmentalism is a bad thing. by environmentalism is a bad thing. by . but i we need by the way. but i think we need moderate environmental ism. we've much militant, we've got too much militant, hysterical environmentalism at

the . the moment. >> gentlemen, we've come to the end our show. it's always end of our show. it's always a little too quick. i will just wish all cheers . they said wish you all a cheers. they said it was fizzy friday. i like it was fizzy friday. i do like a fizzy friday. thank you, conor and paul. up next laurence and paul. up next is laurence fox i'll you monday morning i >> -- >> the temperature's rising. boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hi there. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office. with the gb news forecast another low this weekend , this one's been this weekend, this one's been named storm anthony by the met office because of the risk of disruptive gales heavy disruptive gales for some heavy rain for many others. storm anthony is arriving through friday night. so it's this area of low pressure that has been named and it's basically because it's arriving at such a busy time of year for holiday makers, people who are taking part in outdoor activities, camping , outdoor activities, camping, caravanning and so on. initially it's the rain that is of concern overnight , but especially across overnight, but especially across parts of northern ireland where the saturated . that the ground is saturated. that rain heading into western parts

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