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>> thank you very much, nana. >> thank you very much, nana. >> i'm rory smith in the gb newsroom . newsroom. >> the met office is warning of possible danger to life as storm anthony batters parts of the uk. >> an amber warning is in place for southwestern parts of england and wales until 7:00 this evening. strong winds could cause flying debris , power cuts cause flying debris, power cuts and travel disruption . and travel disruption. meanwhile, a yellow weather warning for rain is in place for northern ireland with flooding possible . weather journalist possible. weather journalist nathan rao explains . and the nathan rao explains. and the conditions wind speeds of this storm. >> storm anthony , are expected >> storm anthony, are expected to be around 75 mile per hour gusts on the coasts and 55mph inland. it's not the strongest storm that we've seen , but storm that we've seen, but because of the time of year , the because of the time of year, the leaves, the trees are all in full leaf and it's holiday season . the schools are off. and season. the schools are off. and where it's going to be hitting and of this storm and the impact of this storm hitting today is likely to be greater than the sort greater than had the same sort of happened later in the of thing happened later in the year. yeah >> two french police officers have been injured in clashes with migrants near calais,

around 60 people threw rocks and other missiles as officers tried to stop people smugglers launching a small boat. the officers were treated in hospital for non—life threatening injuries. gb news can reveal that 15,100 migrants have crossed the english channel in small boats since the start of the year. that's down more than 2500 on the same period last year. donald trump has described claims that he plotted to overturn the 2020 us election as an act of desperation by president biden last night, prosecutors warned a judge that mr trump may be seeking to use evidence to target witnesses after he posted a message to social media that said, if you go after me, i'm coming after you. well, speaking at a republican event in alabama, the former us president described the allegations as fake and said he was being targeted for political reasons. they filed an

indictment. >> we go way up in the polls. we need one more indictment to close out this election , one close out this election, one more indictment, and this election is closed out. nobody has even a chance , not a has even a chance, not a ukrainian intelligence source has claimed responsibility after a russian tanker was damaged in a russian tanker was damaged in a us. drone attack . a us. drone attack. >> russian media reports that the vessel was targeted by as it approached by the kerch strait near the strategic bridge that links russia with occupied crimea. the attack comes after ukrainian ports were pummelled by russian drone strikes for which kyiv had threatened to retaliate . it amazon is retaliate. it amazon is experiencing a second day of strikes as workers walked out at its fulfilment centre in staffordshire over pay. meanwhile, another two day walkout has taken place at the company's warehouse in coventry . the gmb union says this represents the biggest day of industrial disruption in the

tech firm's history. the union says more than 1000 are taking part further . sarah goodman is part further. sarah goodman is gm's regional organiser. she told us what they want . told us what they want. >> they've all had enough. they can't carry on living in the staining on the wages that they are at the moment. they want better pay. it's as simple as that. they're not asking for the millions they're millions. they're asking for a sustainable living wage . sustainable living wage. >> england's children's commissioner says a shortage of foster carers will get worse without more investment. dame rachel de souza says nearly three quarters of people who complete a foster form do not go on to look after children. she warns bureaucracy may be a problem and it's urging the government to make it easier to become a foster carer. well last year a review called for £26 billion of new spending on children's social care over four years. the government insists funding is not falling short wind, rain and train

cancellations haven't been enough to dampen spirits at brighton pride, the annual lgbt eventis brighton pride, the annual lgbt event is celebrating 50 years since the first gay liberation protest marched through the city steps . protest marched through the city steps. melanie c and the black eyed peas are among those performing this year. the event is expected to boost the local economy by more than £20 million, with up to 85,000 extra train journeys usually expected between london and brighton. however, industrial action means that all of today's services have been cancelled and the prime minister has taken time to shakeit prime minister has taken time to shake it off during a family houdayin shake it off during a family holiday in california. that's according to a post on tiktok rishi sunak took part in a taylor swift themed soulecle class in los angeles in a video, hannah harmelen said the security at the class initially made her think that swift herself was about to perform. that was until she spotted the uk's prime minister this is gb

news across the uk on tv. in your car and digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news choose now though, let's return to nana . let's return to nana. >> oh crikey, i expected my little sting there. what happened to it .7 well, it's time happened to it.7 well, it's time to mock the week . good to mock the week. good afternoon. if you've just joined me, this gb afternoon. if you've just joined me, on this gb afternoon. if you've just joined me, on tv this gb afternoon. if you've just joined me, on tv , this gb afternoon. if you've just joined me, on tv , online this gb afternoon. if you've just joined me, on tv , online and gb afternoon. if you've just joined me, on tv , online and on gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. it's fast approaching. seven minutes after 3:00. and of course , it's been a 3:00. and of course, it's been a mucky old week. i mean, at the start we learned that we'd all be considerably poorer. was with the freeze on inheritance tax. the threshold, of course, remaining in the same place. and then was a 0.25 rise in then there was a 0.25 rise in interest as well. but this interest rates as well. but this week was also a hallelujah moment for rishi sunak when he took heed of the scientists who questioned the rush to poverty inducing net zero by acknowledging that oil and gas have a role to play in their future as well. well done rishi. this week, rishi sunak allowed

new oil and gas licences to go ahead labour's plan. of course , ahead labour's plan. of course, is to ban them. well here is rishi sunak having a go at a reporter who tries to catch him out by asking about how he travelled to the meetings . travelled to the meetings. >> let me just ask you finally before you go, how are you getting here make getting up here to make this green today? green announcement today? private jet. >> i'll be flying as i as i normally would. >> and that is the most efficient time. but efficient use of my time. but again, i think actually that question a great question brings to life a great debate here. if you or others think that the answer to climate change is getting people to ban everything that doing everything that they're doing to stop flying , to stop stop people flying, to stop people people people going to stop people going holiday. people going to stop people goingmean, liday. people going to stop people goingmean, iday. people going to stop people goingmean, i think that's >> i mean, i think that's absolutely the wrong approach . absolutely the wrong approach. >> dope. yes we need oil and gas to make the fertiliser when we are all forced to eat tofu and vegetables . we need it to make vegetables. we need it to make concrete for our roads which we will be forced to drive on using electric cars, which themselves cannot be made without the use of oil and gas alongside the giant wind turbines. our

clothes, the queens we use on our skin and our machines in our hospitals . newsflash we cannot hospitals. newsflash we cannot live without oil and gas and many more of us would be dead without it. and later this week, greenpeace did. the prime minister of favour in response? no, not by visiting his house unannounced and probably by travelling in petrol filled cars . but no, but by exposing just how exposed he actually is . they how exposed he actually is. they scaled his family home and covered it with banners. they could have been anyone doing anything, apparently it took anything, and apparently it took two hours for the police to arrive when the was arrive when the house was uninhabited, the prime uninhabited, as the prime minister was on his hold, minister had was on his hold, which we all about. mean, which we all knew about. i mean, it was seemingly unguarded as well with what would appear it was seemingly unguarded as well \n0| what would appear it was seemingly unguarded as well \no realit would appear it was seemingly unguarded as well \no real securityld appear it was seemingly unguarded as well \no real security cameras' to be no real security cameras in whatsoever for. i mean, in place whatsoever for. i mean, what an embarrassment. what a joke. mind you , you should have joke. mind you, you should have we shouldn't have been that surprised as this week, the ministry justice handed ministry of justice handed out a list level crimes that list of low level crimes that shouldn't be prosecuted, including drug possession and burglary. can we be seen as burglary. how can we be seen as serious players the world serious players on the world stage? was like stage? i mean, it was like something trumpton .

something out of trumpton. >> pew, pew, barney, mcgrew , cuthbert. >> dibble grub . >> dibble grub. >> dibble grub. >> listening on radio. it was that age old scene of trumpton when they come down the fire pole and well, think about it in your heads. but otherwise, download the gb news app you download the gb news app and you can bit. but speaking can watch that bit. but speaking of trump, will they ever leave this i he this man alone? i mean, he declared a very sad day for america as he's pleaded not guilty to orchestrating a criminal plot to overturn the results of the 2020 election. he denied four charges, including conspiracy to defraud the united states. i mean , i wonder why it states. i mean, i wonder why it took them so long to try and bnng took them so long to try and bring these charges . the mind

bring these charges. the mind boggles. could it be that they don't want him to become president, which is looking more and day ? and and more likely by the day? and finally, prince harry has been snubbed by his dad, the king. and yesterday on meghan's 42nd birthday, apparently not a pubuc birthday, apparently not a public word to wish her well from the royal family for the first time since the pair have been together , apparently been together, apparently because they are no longer working royals. but that doesn't quite make sense because last year when the queen was alive, both charles and camilla and william kate sent william and kate all sent messages via social media. i mean, bode well for mean, it doesn't bode well for the perhaps they will go the pair. perhaps they will go the pair. perhaps they will go the way of trudeau . oh, it's the way of trudeau. oh, it's been a mucky old week . so that's been a mucky old week. so that's coming up in the next hour. been a mucky old week. so that's coming up in the next hour . on coming up in the next hour. on the way. comedian dan spencer will be making light of this week's top stories in mock the week at 320. it's climate controlled oil. and as rishi sunak finally faces up to the reality of net zero, i'm asking , was rishi sunak right to allow

new oil and gas licences to go ahead and then at 335, why ahead? and then at 335, why aren't mainstream media aren't the mainstream media giving this story more attention 7 giving this story more attention ? an extraordinary medical development as a cancer killing pill that appears to annihilate solid tumours is beginning a trial. stay tuned. then at the end of this hour's political spotlight, donald trump has remained as defiant as always this week as he faces his third indictment. but i'll be speaking to the chairman of republicans overseas, greg swensen's, very shortly. that's on the way, as eveh shortly. that's on the way, as ever. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. email gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet at . gb news. right. tweet me at. gb news. right. let's do it. let's mock the week . joining me live, comedian diane spencer . . joining me live, comedian diane spencer. diane, . joining me live, comedian diane spencer . diane, welcome. diane spencer. diane, welcome. >> so much . >> thank you so much. >> thank you so much. >> gorgeous. >> gorgeous. >> nice to see darling. >> nice to see you, darling. okay of all, interest okay so first of all, interest rates , they've gone up 0.25. do rates, they've gone up 0.25. do you care ? you care? >> care, actually, because >> i do care, actually, because i'm a saver. so i'm waiting for that moment where suddenly all my savings just blossom into

this bouquet of chocolate and jewellery, which is what i'm clearly to going spend it all on. >> oh, no, they're not going to passit >> oh, no, they're not going to pass it on. >> you didn't you didn't think the morality , the the arbiters of morality, the banks are actually going pass the arbiters of morality, the ba|a s are actually going pass the arbiters of morality, the ba|a saving:tually going pass the arbiters of morality, the ba|a saving .ually going pass on a saving. >> but thought would want >> but i thought they would want to help me because i'm a saver. >> surely that's what they will do. >> they labelled nigel >> nana no, they labelled nigel a grifter and a disingenuous grifter and wouldn't a bank wouldn't give him a bank account. going to account. they're not going to help give you any more help you and give you any more savings. scummy old minute? >> they're not going to help me buy me chocolate and me jewellery . jewellery. >> that's rubbish. >> well, that's just rubbish. >> well, that's just rubbish. >> greenpeace. what do you >> we're greenpeace. what do you think they think of them? i mean, they scaled i think that rishi >> well, i think that rishi needs a bit of a bit needs to play a bit of a bit cunning with this. i mean , you cunning with this. i mean, you look at how quickly they got up there they put down all. all there. they put down all. all that , all they it that material, all they did it in lightning if rishi is in lightning speed. if rishi is like, it would be really like, oh no, it would be really bad greenpeace redid my bad if greenpeace redid my bathroom , that would me bathroom, that would show me that just bust in that maybe they'll just bust in and part his house. and redo part of his house. >> it's embarrassing. i mean, it took they had plenty took them like they had plenty of least to of time at least two hours to get because police get there because the police weren't going to be. >> they was they

>> but what they did was they did it very smartly because they got dressed up. >> how do got dressed up. >> how m >> i mean, how often do you stop somebody vest and somebody in a high vis vest and say, don't think can do say, don't think you can do that? no, high vis vest that? no, the high vis vest tells everything, doesn't it? >> bet people looking >> so i bet people looking from a oh, vis vest. >> i'm sure it's absolutely fine i >> -- >> you can't read greenpeace's logo on the back of that from a distance. barely it distance. i can barely see it from distance. i can barely see it frorbut such a good job, >> but they did such a good job, they covered house. >> but they did such a good job, the it covered house. >> but they did such a good job, the it was covered house. >> but they did such a good job, the it was quite vered house. >> but they did such a good job, the it was quite neat house. >> but they did such a good job, the it was quite neat and house. >> but they did such a good job, the it was quite neat and tidy. e. >> it was quite neat and tidy. >> it was quite neat and tidy. >> it was quite neat and tidy. >> it looks very neat. >> it looks very neat. >> our reporters, >> we sent one of our reporters, ben to greenpeace hq ben leo, off to greenpeace hq and they to be honest, seem and they to be honest, they seem quite that we'd come quite happy that we'd come there. and, you know, was there. and, you know, it was like, i think this is appalling. >> i genuinely, because it >> i do genuinely, because it sets a precedent, when sets a precedent, because when you at school and you had you were at school and you had a teacher that didn't like, teacher that you didn't like, you at school. you have to keep it at school. >> you keep that professional level . you don't then wander >> you keep that professional levelto you don't then wander >> you keep that professional levelto the don't then wander >> you keep that professional levelto the teacher's] wander >> you keep that professional levelto the teacher's house er >> you keep that professional levelto the teacher's house and over to the teacher's house and start . i actually do know some start. i actually do know some people who did that, pelting them eggs and that's what them with eggs and that's what they've done to rishi and i think the line because think crossing the line because they you know, they could have they, you know, they could have interrupted many interrupted him in a in so many different public engagements. >> think this is too much. >> i think this is too much. >> i think this is too much.

>> but they've done him a favour in we realise in a way, because now we realise how security is around him. >> and actually they need to do something but as we something about that. but as we talk about what a week it's been. donald trump yeah , he's been. donald trump yeah, he's been. donald trump yeah, he's beeni been. donald trump yeah, he's been i mean, what what didn't leave the man alone for god's sake. >> well, no, because this is all part of his, you know , his. part of his, you know, his. >> oh, my god. >> oh, my god. >> wait a minute. he was president, and then they cut me down, they're taking me down, and now they're taking me to jail. but i. donald trump will rise . will rise. >> it's his. it's his superhero origin story. >> nana like this. he is a master manipulator here. and america loves a good guy. that's a bad guy, if that makes sense. like you look at a very recent popular tv series, the boys like the main evil villain, is homelander . the main evil villain, is homelander. he's basically superman with all his powers, but totally evil . trump kind of but totally evil. trump kind of is like that. he's he's got all the he is. they're totally loving trump. and the more they try and squash him down, the more he'll manipulate it to his advantage, i think. >> but i think, you know, i

think he might be right. he's been many things. been right on so many things. so do the do you remember he said the election listen, election was stolen? listen, i think jury is out because it think the jury is out because it was the whole was very odd the way the whole thing just looking on thing happened. just looking on in i was thinking, well, in the uk, i was thinking, well, how changing how come they've the changing the and the time of the thing and how come so does to me, come? so it does seem odd to me, frankly , apparently i can't frankly, apparently i can't understand biden that it understand joe biden say that it wasn't i don't wasn't stolen, but i don't understand joe biden won it understand how joe biden won it and be for another and that he'll be in for another term . term. >> i mean, i'll be fine. we'll get him falling upstairs. >> what can he fall over next? >> what can he fall over next? >> least it wasn't >> well, at least it wasn't falling barack and falling down. barack and finally, prince harry. >> oh, well, i mean, do you know what i have you ever had a family member where you feel like you're walking on eggshells all time ? i feel that's all the time? i feel like that's what have got with what the royals have got with harry. would really harry. like, would you really want to send a birthday card because scared to because you might be scared to 90, because you might be scared to go, i can't believe you go, oh, god, i can't believe you wrote meghan on her wrote that to meghan on her birthday. yeah, you'd be like, well happy well, we just wrote happy birthday. okay. what birthday. hope you're okay. what do you mean, hope? what do you think is happened to her? like? they're touchy people. they're very touchy people. they're very touchy people. they're melodramatic they're very melodramatic people. i wouldn't want to get

involved anyway, because when jeremy clarkson actually emailed, think he emailed emailed, i think he emailed harry to apologise for what he said meghan. said about meghan. >> complained that they >> they complained that they hadnt >> they complained that they hadn't meghan because hadn't emailed meghan because that was the wrong way round. yet instead of acknowledging that he had actually apologised. >> you can't do >> yeah. yeah you can't do anything . and when you've anything right. and when you've got you've a family got when you've got a family member and you can't do anything right, it's so difficult to know what take. i what path to take. but what i think is funny have lost think is funny is they have lost out of celebrity out on a couple of celebrity friends accused . friends because they accused. i'm glad you sat down. they accused the beckhams leaking accused the beckhams of leaking to the press. >> if the beckhams would care. i mean, come on. yeah, but like the as far as i'm aware, the beckhams don't leak. >> thought it would >> like i thought it would be a whole thing whole wagatha christie thing again. apparent harry rang again. but apparent harry rang up again. but apparent harry rang up david and went, oh , you've up david and went, oh, you've been my been telling stories about my wife . wife. >> david's like, are you joking? >> it's mad . >> like, it's mad. >> like, it's mad. >> well, this is the diana spenceh >> well, this is the diana spencer. when you're back on, when you're back on. >> oh, i think i'm going to be doing speech nation at some doing free speech nation at some point. evening. lovely. >> oh, lovely. >> oh, lovely. >> diana spencer, thank you very much. you. lovely to you. >> that is, of course, diana

spenceh spencer. she does free speech nafion spencer. she does free speech nation other nation and a whole load of other headliners this gb headliners as well. this is gb news. mucky news. it's been a mucky old week. were live news. it's been a mucky old we tv were live news. it's been a mucky old we tv online were live news. it's been a mucky old we tv online and were live news. it's been a mucky old we tv online and on were live news. it's been a mucky old we tv online and on digitallive on tv online and on digital radio way . could there be radio on the way. could there be a revolutionary new pill that kills cancer ? oh my goodness. i kills cancer? oh my goodness. i can't wait talk about can't wait to talk to you about that. the that. so why isn't the mainstream media giving it more attention? i have idea . we attention? i have no idea. we will stay will give it attention. stay with . first, get with me. but first, let's get some weather looks like things are heating up. >> bob boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. of weather on. gb news. >> good afternoon . my name is >> good afternoon. my name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast brought to you by the met office . while storm anthony is still crossing the uk through this afternoon and this is going to bnng afternoon and this is going to bring further heavy rain and strong winds, strongest strong winds, those strongest winds will still be across southern parts of wales and southwest where there southwest england where there are weather warnings in are still weather warnings in force. but go through this force. but as we go through this evening, those winds will slowly start to ease. still seeing some heavy showers and thunderstorms

across the south—east as storm anthony pulls away to the east, bringing some breezy conditions and outbreaks of rain and further outbreaks of rain into the early hours of sunday here. for elsewhere, though, winds becoming light and generally too. so generally drier, too. so temperatures dropping little temperatures dropping a little bit tonight than bit more readily tonight than what last night . so what we saw last night. so a brighter start to the second half of the weekend for many. still some outbreaks of rain in the east as storm anthony makes a slow clearance to the east. elsewhere, though, a mixture of sunshine and showers throughout sunday. these could be heavy across northern ireland, scotland and northern england, too, where we could just see the odd isolated thunderstorm. but otherwise it's a much more pleasant, brighter and drier day on sunday with those temperatures faring a little better, too . looking ahead to better, too. looking ahead to the week, though , after the new week, though, after another night on sunday another chilly night on sunday night, a brighter start to monday , though, still the monday, though, still with the odd around. and we odd shower around. and if we look at the rest of the week, temperatures to climb, temperatures starting to climb, though, get towards though, as we get towards wednesday drier and wednesday with some drier and more conditions come

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good afternoon. it's fast approaching . 23 minutes after approaching. 23 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news on tv onune 3:00. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. we are the people's channel. now, before the break, we were mocking the week. let's have a look at what you've been saying. steve says sunak was so utterly to leave his house utterly dumb to leave his house completely by completely unprotected by adequate security or inadequate security for just £300. adequate security or inadequate security forjust £300. i was security for just £300. i was able to install four cameras around my house, which alert me by phone if any intruder tries to approach it. sunak is a multi—millionaire and could not be bothered to do this. good point . klaus says the democrats point. klaus says the democrats should stop trying to put teflon trump into trouble , and he just trump into trouble, and he just keeps bouncing back and securing more votes . carol says the king more votes. carol says the king was right not to extend an invitation to the devious duo harry and meghan. i think they should never be acknowledged again by the royal family. well, that'll be interesting. i've got a actually coming a monologue actually coming up at stay at the top of the hour, so stay tuned. now it's for tuned. but now it's time for climate minister climate control. prime minister rishi has defended the rishi sunak has defended the government's policies on environment and on wednesday,

government's policies on envir is rishi sunak right? >> is rishi sunak right? >> no, he's he's not right. he's he's sitting on the fence gathering splinters and he just fell off and he fell off in the wrong direction. given the climate events that are going on around the world at this moment climate events that are going on ar(timethe world at this moment climate events that are going on ar(time and world at this moment climate events that are going on ar(time and have at this moment climate events that are going on ar(time and have at thiforroment climate events that are going on ar(time and have at thifor the ant in time and have been for the last month or two, which events specifically, jim? >> which one are you saying the climate ? climate events? >> you what. >> well, i'll tell you what. give me one list of 100 nana just give you one. i'll give you

one. okay. world sea one. okay. so world sea temperatures reached a peak yesterday. time, all time. yesterday. all time, all time. modern at 21 degrees on modern peak at 21 degrees on average right across across the globe. that's one. okay. so that's all modern history. they are some parts of this world are i won't say they're boiling, but they're halfway halfway up there. >> and we've been measuring sea temperatures from when sorry . temperatures from when sorry. >> so for roughly from about well, we've been doing it for about 300 years in of about 300 years in terms of dropping stuff into the oceans. but 150 years is about where we are. but look, it's the last. >> and the planet has been >> and jim, the planet has been around for how long? >> and jim, the planet has been arorthator how long? >> and jim, the planet has been arorthator how lreally parts >> that are the really big parts of . of this. >> okay. p" >> okay. okay. so you think he was brian cat ? was right, brian cat? >> well, just quickly on the on the figures, um , that's not right. >> we've only had accurate sea coverage since 1979 when we had satellite constellations before that it was engine intakes, buckets over the side of boats and massive interpolate across the whole ocean. >> now we have satellites going around . around. >> sorry, let me finish . okay.

>> sorry, let me finish. okay. so. so you're saying that jim is wrong with his calculation? there that what about the sea temperatures, though? because jim has pointed out that we had the temperatures is the hottest sea temperatures is the hottest sea temperatures is the global temperature now is a fraction of a degree under what it was in 2016 and 1998 at the el nino times. >> and it really is totally irrelevant to use that as as a measure because, of course, we know it was two degrees warmer in egyptian times and we're only a degree above what it was at the coldest in 8000 years in 1850. >> so we're not in any way near to boiling the danger we have actually, as a planet is freezing when the seas freeze and reflect the sun and then we're really in trouble. >> that's a tipping point going up a degree or two. >> jim sticking his head. jim, you're shaking your head. >> i don't what to >> i just don't know what to say, honest with you. you say, to be honest with you. you know, on this, this, know, we can go on this, this, this this. just we can this, this, this. i just we can go this path of go along this this path of misinformation and lies which

you're putting out. let's make it absolutely clear. data is it absolutely clear. the data is out there from, by the way, 1979 for registering sea temperatures was actually in the royal navy doing exactly that before 1979. so, you know , i know how it was so, you know, i know how it was done and it was done accurately and long before i did it, it was being done in in the 19 century in a very similar way accurately as well. you're ignoring nasa, noaa, wmo , you're ignoring all noaa, wmo, you're ignoring all of these eminent scientists and you've got your own you're sitting there in a little cave just putting out these little figures. know, the figures. you know, while the world burns or floods. world either burns or floods. and that's what seeing . and that's what we're seeing. nana asked for i could give nana asked for one. i could give you to frank with you . you 101, to be frank with you. >> brian. brian cat. sorry. i'll give brian cat a chance to respond because you said quite a bit there. brian, if you would respond what he said. respond to what he said. >> doing is reading >> all i'm doing is reading you the from same the satellite data from same satellites, different people . satellites, different people. university of huntsville, alabama , know john, christi. i alabama, know john, christi. i talked to him on the phone. i'm afraid jim's just making it up.

>> so let's make it up. >> so let's make it up. >> you . >> you. >> you. >> i'm making it up. you are making it up. no, i'm making it up.the making it up. no, i'm making it up. the wmo making it up for those who don't know these organisations, these are the world leaders, if you like. these are the people who send people to the moon and back and all of all the rest of it. >> people all the rest of it. » people >> they send people to the moon. no, yeah no, no, no. okay. yeah >> jim who do you think the satellite data comes from ? satellite data comes from? >> jim who do you think it comes from? >> i've got no idea where yours comes from, brian. i really ignore 90% of what you put out. to all from. to be frank. all come from. answer brian. oh wait, wait. >> brian . brian, what did you >> brian. brian, what did you say? >> i've got one for you. so, antarctic in the last six, seven months it's lost four times the size of the state of texas in its sea ice . okay. so you know, its sea ice. okay. so you know, is this can you not see can you not see that glaciers are retreating like there's no tomorrow ? can you not see that tomorrow? can you not see that china and other places getting their temperatures their record temperatures virtually week after week and spain this week will go in the same kind of direction . can you

same kind of direction. can you not join these dots and say something's going off here and it isn't just an underground volcano , brian. volcano, brian. >> he's saying, can you not join the if you go and read the dots if you go and read working group one, ipcc ar6, you'll find that there are no exceptional events happening across the world. >> picking cherry picking odd things here and there are just wrong . if you look at the wrong. if you look at the satellite data and antarctica, by the way, is an almost static continent. yes, it's lost the seaice continent. yes, it's lost the sea ice this year. that's absolutely right. but what matters is what the temperature is over the whole of the globe, measured from the satellite . yes. >> and you know that film, it's do you know that film? don't look up . that was if you've ever look up. that was if you've ever seen it that was made for you. don't do movies, jim. >> i do facts . >> i do facts. >> i do facts. >> i do facts. >> i don't think he's got time to see it. look can i just say movies are usually make believe a of them. listen. so brian a lot of them. listen. so brian so was rishi sunak, right then to give these new oil and gas licences because . he was and why

licences because. he was and why was he right? why was he right, in your view? well why? >> because we rely 80% for 80% of our energy. we from fossil fuels in the uk and a third of the energy is from oil . the energy is from oil. >> now, we're not going to be able to get rid of any of that well , most of able to get rid of any of that well, most of that because able to get rid of any of that well , most of that because we've well, most of that because we've already done almost the maximum we in terms of renewables. we can in terms of renewables. so we'll have to go to nuclear and that's going to take bit and that's going to take a bit of to so . yes, we should of time to do so. yes, we should and should have sovereign oil and we should have sovereign oil reserves. ludicrous reserves. absolutely ludicrous to suggest that we should get our oil from far away where somebody else controls it when we can get it from our own resources. >> no, no. this is environmentally friendly. >> yeah, we've got this is a lost. >> yeah. none of this is a lost opportunity. in 1760. >> very briefly. very briefly. hold on, jim. jim, just say very briefly, you've got 10s. jim, in 1761. >> in 1760, britain led the industrial revolution for 250 years. this is the time now to lead the green revolution, the environmentally friendly

revolution and rishi sunak is letting it slip through his fingers, even even if we all die of starvation and hunger because there's fuel. no, we there's no fossil fuel. no, we won't . we won't. won't do that. we won't. we won't do that. we won't. we won't that. scare tactic. >> well, that's a scare >> well, that's not a scare tactic. that's what been tactic. that's what you've been saying, though. that's what you're . don't get you're saying. if we don't get rid gas, that's what rid of oil and gas, that's what you're saying. you're saying no, look an evolution. look, there's an evolution. >> retain part of that. of >> we retain part of that. of course we do. existing licences stay until that changeover occurs , but we just need to occurs, but we just need to press the green button and the green pedal that little bit quicker and we'll get i'm going to 10s respond. to give brian 10s to respond. >> please >> brian, you've got 10s. please >> brian, you've got 10s. please >> well, i'd rather we didn't export dependence, our export our dependence, our fossil fuel to somebody else and it's worth remembering that president z has just said, i'm not interested in the 2030 stop. and they're the people who are actually making everything and emitting all the co2, if that even mattered. >> so you just in the wind. sorry. listen this is a conversation that will run these are two different opinions. i i know where i am with this one, but where are you, brian cat

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pill that appears to annihilate solid tumours is beginning a trial . trial. >> stay tuned. find out

hello. good afternoon. it's just coming up to 39 minutes after 3:00. if you've just joined me, welcome on board. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. now, lots of you have been getting in touch with your thoughts and views on the we've been the topics that we've been discussing today. rob says i

think the should think that the king should cut off contact with harry and off all contact with harry and meghan, make him pay back all the paid the the money paid to him by the british taxpayer and on the climate discussion, climate change is a natural and this is from janice. she says climate change is a natural phenomenon. it every few thousand it happens every few thousand years. exactly and most of us weren't around for that, were we? so those of us who are taking measurements from the sea, years, i just i sea, over 150 years, i just i just think people need to start questioning and giving more information. is an information. but this is an incredible breakthrough. and i really wanted to this to really wanted to bring this to your it's potential your attention. it's a potential health breakthrough that's been hitting the headlines now earlier, has shown that earlier, research has shown that a pill has a cancer killing pill has appeared to be able to wipe out solid tumours. now the new drug has been worked on by one of america's largest cancer research organisations and the first phase of the clinical trial in humans is now underway for donating stuff. i'm now joined by doctor david lloyd. he's an nhs gp. david, this sounds fascinating. it sounds

almost too good to be true. can you tell me more about this ? yes you tell me more about this? yes so ? so? >> so, yes, so? >> so, yes, i so? >> so, yes, i think you're right. it's a very exciting drug. it's aimed at one of the main pathways that cancer cells spread , and it's found to be spread, and it's found to be effective in 70 different cancers . but effective in 70 different cancers. but this is just in the test tube and with mice. so as you say , we're going into phase you say, we're going into phase one trials now, which is the first phase of finding out whether it's safe and the right dose to give to two human beings. so i'm afraid it is many years away from coming to the marketplace . and if i could just marketplace. and if i could just temper that slightly by saying that the average new cancer drug that the average new cancer drug that we're getting coming onto the coming into the nhs and into the coming into the nhs and into the world at the moment is only prolonging people's lives by on average of two months and most of these drugs are very toxic and require days in hospital . so and require days in hospital. so you may be actually spending more days in hospital than the two months that it actually

prolongs your life . so we are prolongs your life. so we are still a very early stage. and still at a very early stage. and also the other point, very important point if you don't important point is if you don't die from cancer, what else are you going and the you going to die from? and the data that even if we were data shows that even if we were to cure all cancer , we would to cure all cancer, we would only the life expectancy only extend the life expectancy of the whole world by two years, whereas if we were to get rid of heart disease and lung disease and make sure that we prevent illness as much as we can, we could extend life by up to 12 years. so cancer is an interesting story. if you don't die from cancer, you're going to die from cancer, you're going to die from cancer, you're going to die from some horrible disease like dementia . and then you die like dementia. and then you die in a much more difficult way . in a much more difficult way. >> well, let's face it. i mean, nobody's leaving here alive, so we're still to have a good we're still going to have a good time whilst we're here. and two years, two months. it's all something, though ? something, isn't it, though? let's pill let's be honest. and this pill hasn't just arrived as in they've been developing it for over 20 years. so have we learnt anything with regard to covid? because like you said, you said it would take a few years to come out, but actually with

covid we were able to get things through faster. do you think that to that if it does prove to be effective trials, will effective in the trials, will we be knock it out quite quickly? >> well, it would be lovely if we methodology we could. the methodology that we could. the methodology that we to bring the covid we use to bring the covid vaccines to the to the nhs did amalgamate some of those phases. so the phase twos and the phase three seconds were bang together so that we could rush it through. did have an through. but we did have an awful of people that we awful lot of people that we could so we could sort of could in. so we could sort of experiment to use the experiment on, i hate to use the word because i know i'll get everybody but meant everybody upset, but it meant that. we had that. but we meant that we had lots of people could lots of people that we could trial vaccines trial the vaccines on. unfortunately, cancers , unfortunately, with cancers, you've people with you've got far fewer people with that right. sort cancer at that right. sort of cancer at the time to it. the right time to test it. so it's more difficult to accelerate phases. so i'm accelerate the phases. so i'm afraid it will be a few years now reading about the now i'm reading here about the description that it says it description that it says and it says cancer pill is says the cancer killing pill is like a snowstorm. >> quote that >> that's their quote that closes a key airline hub, shutting down all flights in and out, only in planes carrying cancer cells. so by what i'm working out with this is that this pill is actually quite clever, it only attacks the

clever, that it only attacks the cancer cells or shuts down cancer cells or it shuts down something the cancer cell something within the cancer cell , but leaves healthy alive , but leaves healthy cells alive . or is that right ? . or is that right? >> yes, absolutely. so that's the aim of these modern, modern treatments that they target very specific specific parts of the journey of the cancer cell . you journey of the cancer cell. you may know there are lots of different drugs that end in the word mab . well, that's a whole word mab. well, that's a whole class of drugs called monoclonal antibody drugs, which again , are antibody drugs, which again, are targeting very specific molecules and they've been fantastic , successful in a wide fantastic, successful in a wide variety of conditions. so that's the way that modern research is going. but also but we just don't know how poisonous this drug is. we don't know what it does to human beings yet. do you remember episode ten years remember that episode ten years ago at northwick park when we were given that? remember that? and went all green that. and they went all green that. one trial of a drug that seemed to be very promising with animals , but yet was completely animals, but yet was completely deadly for human beings. so we're at that phase now. i'm

afraid. so do watch out. >> well, we'll keep our eyes peeled on that. but just say that this is how long would the trial be then? how long trial roughly be then? how long would you expect this process to take before there may be any inkung take before there may be any inkling that just say of inkling that just say all of these passes phases, that these it passes all phases, that it be on the market? these it passes all phases, that it much be on the market? these it passes all phases, that it much time; on the market? these it passes all phases, that it much time roughly market? these it passes all phases, that it much time roughly 5—5ket? these it passes all phases, that it much time roughly 5—5 years, how much time roughly 5—5 years, ten years? >> five years? >> five years? >> let's hope they can speed that up. let's hope it works. david, thank you much david, thank you very much for joining that's dr. david joining us. that's dr. david lloyd. he's an nhs gp with his take on this new cancer pill that could potentially, if it's successful and it's proved to be successful and it's proved to be successful in mice , could successful in mice, could potentially be on the market within the five years right within the next five years right now, though, it's time for this week's political spotlight. it's just gone 44 minutes after 4:00. this is be news 3:00, in fact, andifs this is be news 3:00, in fact, and it's time for political spotlight this week , i'm shining spotlight this week, i'm shining a on the united states as a light on the united states as former president donald trump was indicted again for the third time. it's an unprecedented moment in us politics. and like everything trump does, has caused a media circus. now he's facing four criminal charges,

including one count of conspiracy to defraud the united states. but not to be deterred. donald trump . he's lashed out at donald trump. he's lashed out at the indictments as a politically motivated witch hunt and still maintains a healthy lead in the republican primary for the presidential nomination. so just how serious are the charges facing him and what implications might that mean for trump? so joining me now in the studio is the chair of the republicans oversee greg svenson. greg, welcome . now, greg. republican welcome. now, greg. republican donald trump. talk to me about this. what on earth is going on? >> it was a big week. >> it was a big week. >> and as you mentioned , unprecedented. >> and i think what we're seeing is a real weaponization of the justice system. we've seen this now for months. but the timing is just it can't be coincidental that every time there's a release of damaging news for the biden family corruption business is there the next day there's an indictment and as we've said a lot this week, you know, or many

times this week, the merrick garland, the attorney general that was appointed by biden , he that was appointed by biden, he sat on this for two years and they did nothing . and then when they did nothing. and then when trump announced he was going to run again, they assigned a special counsel. so these are not coincidences. they are they are going after their primary political opponent. and that's really dangerous. there's a great speech in 1940 by by the attorney general at the time, merrick garland's predecessor for 1940. his name was robert jackson. and he he said the most dangerous risk, the most dangerous risk, the most dangerous potential for a prosecutor is to go after the prosecute the man, you know , prosecute the man, you know, focus on the man, and then find the crime rather than find a crime and find out who did it. well, that's and that's exactly what they're doing. yeah, it seems to be that and the way they're going about it, i mean, seems to be that and the way theycan'tying about it, i mean, seems to be that and the way theycan't say about it, i mean, seems to be that and the way theycan't say about ittoldiean, you can't say that he told everyone to storm the white house. >> he didn't. in fact, the thing that they played and the that they they played and the thing that was him telling people to not do that, i mean,

it peacefully protest . it was very peacefully protest. yeah. and do you not think yeah. so and do you not think that the american public has now thinking, well, if maybe he's right whole rigging of right about the whole rigging of the election, people are now thinking why they? thinking, well, why are they? because quite because to me, it's quite obvious, right? >> because they're >> because. because they're looking the evidence of the looking at the evidence of the last years. and he talked last six years. and he talked about the swamp was about the swamp when he was campaigning and he's been proven right because . and why would you right because. and why would you why would you doubt that there was a risk of election interference? however you define it, after four years of being harassed by the left and had having lies made up, you know, the russia collusion hoax turned out to be a campaign strategy. create by the clinton campaign. the hillary clinton campaign. so, you know, after that, which started right away, you know, that's talk about election interference , you know, and interference, you know, and saying that trump was illegitimate and they just they just went after him. you know, the get trump theme has been the core democrat strategy since 2016. and that's really

unfortunate. but all this news now, all these indictments, obviously , it's bumping them in obviously, it's bumping them in the polls. it bumps up his fundraising and people are seeing this and then they see the biden family , you know, the biden family, you know, corruption cartel at the same time. so they're seeing that the swamp is worse than they thought in 2016. >> but can't they see how it looks, the optics are bad. i can't. the democrats see how this looks because they they keep finding something else. it's like columbo. and another thing , it's like, hold on thing, it's like, hold on a minute. just. just leave this man to get on with it. let the people they want man to get on with it. let the pe0jor they want man to get on with it. let the pe0jor not. they want man to get on with it. let the pe0jor not. joe they want man to get on with it. let the pe0jor not. joe biden they want man to get on with it. let the pe0jor not. joe biden is1ey want man to get on with it. let the pe0jor not. joe biden is notwant him or not. joe biden is not i don't going to make him or not. joe biden is not i doht going to make him or not. joe biden is not i don mean, going to make him or not. joe biden is not i don mean, i'm going to make him or not. joe biden is not i don mean, i'm noting to make him or not. joe biden is not i don mean, i'm not being make him or not. joe biden is not i don mean, i'm not being rude it. i mean, i'm not being rude or anything, but he know, or anything, but he you know, he's mean i mean he's falling over. i mean i mean , if he's alive, i don't i don't think he'll be the cabinet. >> but the candidate, because this news about the influence peddung this news about the influence peddling scheme that he was involved in, that's going to ruin his presidency or at the very least, some people may not know what that is. yeah. so as it turns out, you hear it turns out, you don't hear about it here because every time there's news in the us about it,

by time gets here the there's news in the us about it, by morning gets here the there's news in the us about it, by morning there'sere the there's news in the us about it, by morning there's an the next morning there's an indictment and then trump, of course, is on the front page . course, is on the front page. and so the this goes back to burisma in ukraine, cefc and china, the oligarch and romania as well as the oligarchs in russia. all were paying the biden family. russia. all were paying the biden family . they were paying biden family. they were paying it through a series of llcs that hunter biden set up in order llcs. >> what are they? >> what are they? >> a limited liability company ? >> a limited liability company? in other words, setting up little shells to launder the money. so the money was never paid from the oligarch in romania to hunter biden or any other biden. it was paid to companies. and then they paid other companies and then those companies paid the biden family, not just hunter. and this is all being proven. this is our children. oh, it's totally out there. >> and they're using these indictments of hide indictments to sort of hide these under the carpet that these under the carpet so that people . people won't. >> like right >> and this isn't like right wing conspiracy . these bank wing conspiracy. these are bank records america . records from bank of america. yeah. and there were 170, what they're they're called

they're called. they're called suspicious reports or suspicious activity reports or sars. there were 170, a suspicious activity . reports suspicious activity. reports from jpmorgan wells and bank of america and two other banks about the money laundering. and so not only was he laundering the money and not paying taxes on it, and that was the sweetheart deal. he had a few a few weeks ago that was actually rescinded by the judge because it was too lenient. but he did cop to misdemeanour tax evasion and which should be felonies . and which should be felonies. but so not only was he selling the influence of vice president biden and which is corrupt, but he was also not paying the tax on the money he was receiving from ukraine, russia, romania and china. these two of whom are adversaries of the united states. >> this is joe biden. >> this is joe biden. >> this is the biden family. the family . family. >> so joe was not involved . >> so joe was not involved. >> so joe was not involved. >> and there's been countless testimony about president biden's or vice president biden's or vice president biden's involvement with it. >> so this is this was the time when obama was the president and

he vice president. he was vice president. >> and so and vice president biden in charge of the biden was was in charge of the ukraine policy and the ukraine relationship . so he's over in relationship. so he's over in ukraine with a hunter on air force two. did the same thing in china and romania. and so this is it's scandalous and this is not. what about ism? this is the this is the probably what's going to take either take down president, vice president biden, or at the very least give the democrats an excuse to kick him out and quietly say, okay, we'll we'll look after you like we always have. but it and again, much like these indictments on trump, it's proving to the voters that the swamp is really against certain people and really protecting other people. and biden hunter biden has been looked after by both the fbi, the irs , and clearly the media, the irs, and clearly the media, because it can be argued that similar things that they're accusing donald trump of are things that they are doing , but things that they are doing, but yet they're not being punished at the same time . that's what's

at the same time. that's what's really outrageous about it. and the this in the people can see this in america . yes, they but america. yes, they they do. but it never makes the headlines here because all they see is the headune here because all they see is the headline trump derangement headline about trump derangement syndrome bad. and syndrome or orange man bad. and it's a shame . and it's it's really a shame. and it's also a way , it's election also in a way, it's election interference again, because they're either to going keep him from winning by indicting him or imprisoning him or trying. i don't think he'll go to jail. but at the same time , they're but at the same time, they're taking all the attention away from ron desantis and the other candidates who can't run a credible campaign because they can't get any attention . and i can't get any attention. and i think this the intention of think this is the intention of the . they trump the democrats. they want trump to candidate because they to be the candidate because they think the general . think he can't win the general. and this in 2022 and in and they did this in 2022 and in the midterms. and they did this in 2022 and in the midterms . and it worked in the midterms. and it worked in illinois, for example, they gave the democrats gave $22 million contribution to the republican candidate for governor. that trump had endorsed. really. and so that was for the primary. he won the primary lost in the general because he was not

really the best candidate, as it turns out. so they're playing a really long game here. but of course, the democrats would argue that they are simply be they're not interfering at all. >> they're simply pointing out what what has happened. and this is the process they're following due process in law. yes, that's what they would argue . they what they would argue. they would say that and that's how they would say that and that's how the and no one's above law . >> and no one's above the law. but at the same time , the timing but at the same time, the timing is the biden influence is obvious. the biden influence peddung is obvious. the biden influence peddling family cartel, is obvious. the biden influence peddling family cartel , they're peddling family cartel, they're not above the law either. and so it's just it's really hypocritical . it's really a hypocritical. it's really a double standard. and the biggest victim here to me is ron desantis, who i think would be a better president and also is more electable than president trump in the general. but he's 30 points down because every time there's an indictment, well, picks up ten points well, trump picks up ten points and $5 million in fundraising . and $5 million in fundraising. >> what is really good to talk to ever , greg sansone to you as ever, greg sansone there about trump there talking about the trump that have a quick look that is. let's have a quick look at it at what you've been saying. it seems weird dances it seems

seems a weird dances it seems a weird coincidence that in the run up to the national elections , are targeted , politicians are targeted by the state or political adversaries criminal adversaries for criminal offences. david i don't offences. david says, i don't understand the support for trump. it's twisting the facts a bit to claim it's witch hunt. bit to claim it's a witch hunt. he asked people to find votes so he could win. and michael says, i personally stand trump i personally can't stand trump or . the fact these or biden. the fact that these are the best america has to or biden. the fact that these are tiis best america has to or biden. the fact that these are tiis crazyamerica has to or biden. the fact that these are tiis crazy .nerica has to or biden. the fact that these are tiis crazy . and:a has to or biden. the fact that these are tiis crazy . and it has to or biden. the fact that these are tiis crazy . and it shows how offer is crazy. and it shows how mad americans are . well, listen, mad americans are. well, listen, frankly, we can talk what have we this is gb news on we got here? this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio on the way. this week's difficult conversation with plenty stories from plenty of trans stories from costa to children as young as seven to get trans treatment, i'll be joined in studio with trans teacher and journalist debbie hayton . and then for the debbie hayton. and then for the great british this i'm great british debate this i'm asking do you believe bbc is asking do you believe the bbc is anti some anti british? now let's get some weather . the is anti british? now let's get some weather. the is rising, but first, solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news good afternoon.

>> my name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast brought to you by the met office while storm anthony still crossing the uk anthony is still crossing the uk through this afternoon. and this is going to bring further heavy rain strong winds as those rain and strong winds as those strongest winds will still be across southern parts of wales and southwest england where there still weather warnings there are still weather warnings in but as we go through in force. but as we go through this evening, those winds will slowly start to ease , still slowly start to ease, still seeing some showers and seeing some heavy showers and thunderstorms across the south—east as storm anthony pulls to the east, bringing pulls away to the east, bringing some breezy conditions and further outbreaks of rain into the early hours of sunday here. elsewhere, though, winds becoming and generally becoming light and generally dneh becoming light and generally drier, too. so temperatures dropping a little bit more readily tonight than what we saw last so brighter start to last night. so brighter start to the second half of the weekend for many still some outbreaks of rain in the east as storm anthony makes a slow clearance to the east. elsewhere there, though, a mixture of sunshine and showers throughout sunday. these could be heavy across northern ireland, scotland and

northern england, too , where we northern england, too, where we could just see the odd isolated thunderstorm. but otherwise it's a pleasant, brighter a much more pleasant, brighter and day on sunday with and drier day on sunday with those temperatures faring a little better, too. looking ahead to the new week, though, after another chilly night on sunday , a brighter start sunday night, a brighter start to though , still with to monday, though, still with the odd shower around . and if we the odd shower around. and if we look at the rest of week , look at the rest of the week, temperatures starting to climb, though, as we get towards wednesday with some drier and more to come more settled conditions to come i >> -- >> the temperatures rising , boxt

news >> hello. good afternoon and welcome to gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next two hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine , it's theirs. and of it's mine, it's theirs. and of course, yours. we'll be course, it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing, and at times disagree, but no times we will disagree, but no one cancelled . so one will be cancelled. so joining me today is broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy and also broadcaster and journalist benjamin butterworth. before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines . latest news headlines. >> thank you very much. now and i'm rory smith in the gb newsroom . the met office is newsroom. the met office is warning of possible danger to life as storm anthony batters

parts of the uk. an amber warning is in place for southwestern parts of england and wales. that's until 7:00 this evening. strong winds could cause flying debris, power cuts and even travel disruption. meanwhile while a yellow weather warning for rain is in place for northern ireland, with flooding, possible weather journalist nathan rao explained the conditions. wind speeds of this storm. >> storm anthony , are expected >> storm anthony, are expected to be around 75 mile per hour gusts on the coasts and 55 mile per hour inland. it's not the strongest storm that we've seen, but because of the time of year, the leaves , the trees are all in the leaves, the trees are all in full leaf and it's holiday season. the schools are off and where going be hitting where it's going to be hitting the impact this storm hitting the impact of this storm hitting today is likely be greater today is likely to be greater than same sort of thing than had the same sort of thing happened later in the year. so to french police officers have been injured in clashes with migrants near calais, around 60 people threw rocks and other

missiles as officers tried to stop people smugglers launching a small boat. >> the officers were treated in hospital for non—life threatening injuries. gb news can reveal that 15,100 migrants have crossed the english channel in small boats since the start of the year. that's down more than 2500 on the same period last year . prosecutors in the us last year. prosecutors in the us have asked a judge to limit what donald trump can say publicly about a criminal case against him. they warned that mr trump may be seeking to use evidence to target witnesses after he posted a message to social media that said, if you can go after me, i'm coming after you . while me, i'm coming after you. while speaking at a republican event in alabama, the former us president described the allegations as fake and said he was being targeted for political reasons . reasons. >> they file an indictment. >> they file an indictment. >> we go way up in the polls. we need one more indictment to close out this election . one close out this election. one more indictment, and this

election is closed out. nobody has even a chance . has even a chance. >> a ukrainian intelligence source has claimed responsibility after a russian tanker was damaged in a us. drone attack. russia in media reports that the vessel was targeted as it approached the kerch strait. that's near the strategic bridge that links russia with occupied crimea . the russia with occupied crimea. the attack comes after ukrainian ports were pummelled by russian drone strikes for which kyiv had threatened to retaliate . threatened to retaliate. pakistan's former prime minister, imran khan's party is calling for peaceful protests after a court sentenced him to three years in prison for illegally selling state gifts. khan was convicted of misusing his 2018 to 2022 premiership to buy and sell items in state possession worth more than 140 million pakistani rupees . the million pakistani rupees. the city of lahore is preparing for unrest following that verdict .

unrest following that verdict. his lawyers are filing a petition against the decision in the high court. mr khan has always denied any wrongdoing . always denied any wrongdoing. amazon is experiencing a second day of strikes as workers walked out at its fulfilment centre in staffordshire over pay . staffordshire over pay. meanwhile, another two day walkout has taken place at the company's warehouse in coventry . the gmb union says this represents the biggest day of industrial disruption action in the tech firm's history . the the tech firm's history. the union says more than 1000 people are taking part on friday. sara uddin is gmb's regional organiser. she told us what they want . want. >> they've all had enough. they can't carry on living in the staining on the wages that they are at the moment. they want better pay. it's as simple as that. they're not asking the that. they're not asking for the millions. asking for millions. they're asking for a sustainable living wage . sustainable living wage. >> england's children's commissioner says a shortage of foster carers will get worse without more investment. dame rachel de sousa says nearly

three quarters of people who complete a fostering form do not go on to look after children . go on to look after children. she warns bureaucracy may be a problem and is encouraging the government to make it easier to become a foster carer. well last year a review called for £26 billion of new spending on children's social care over four years. the government says funding is not falling short and the prime minister has taken time to shake it off during a family holiday in california . family holiday in california. according to a post on tiktok , according to a post on tiktok, rishi sunak took part in a taylor swift themed soulecle class in los angeles in a video , hannah harmelin said the security at the class initially made her think that swift herself was about to perform. that was until she spotted the uk's prime minister this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now though, it's back to nana.

>> good afternoon . if you just >> good afternoon. if you just joined us, where have you been ? joined us, where have you been? i'm nana akua. this is gb views. we're live on tv online and on digital radio, and it's fast approaching. seven minutes after 4:00. oh, my god. these two have made a mess of things. yeah you guessed it. harry and meghan , guessed it. harry and meghan, they have just a knack of making things worse for themselves . and things worse for themselves. and this week saw the most staged stunt yet. harry and meghan , stunt yet. harry and meghan, so—called surprising american recipients of the first responsible technology youth power fund grant with phone calls to congratulate them . calls to congratulate them. >> congratulations . this is >> congratulations. this is great and we're so happy to have you as part of this team. >> really, you all the >> really, thank you for all the work you're doing. it's huge. >> really, thank you for all the wor making doing. it's huge. >> really, thank you for all the wor making dyenormous uge. >> really, thank you for all the

wor making dyenormous impact. it's making a enormous impact. >> doing >> thank you for doing everything that do. everything that you do. >> especially are >> our kids, especially are incredibly . incredibly grateful. >> they don't know it yet. >> they don't know it yet. >> they don't yet. >> they don't know it yet. >> they don't know it yet. >> will. >> but they will. >> but they will. >> talk to you . >> so good to talk to you. >> so good to talk to you. >> bye. thanks. >> bye bye. thanks. >> bye bye. thanks. >> have good bye bye i >> -- >> uh, so hum >> uh, so much for a surprise. i mean, who's holding the camera? hang on a minute. they must have known that they were going to get this call, which means that the surprise sized the so called surprise sized youths actually acting youths are actually acting young. and frankly, they're about as convincing as megan. i mean, how fake is that ? how mean, how fake is that? how stupid do they we are ? on stupid do they think we are? on friday week? meghan friday this week? meghan celebrated her 42nd birthday. i say , but me, myself say celebrated, but me, myself and i attended . as it would and i attended. as it would appear, and i attended. as it would appear , no wants be appear, no one wants to be associated with the pair. for the time since the the first time since the montecito bonus have been together. was no public together. there was no public message members of the message from members of the royal to acknowledge royal family to acknowledge meghan's big day. mean, the meghan's big day. i mean, the previous , when the queen meghan's big day. i mean, the prev alive, , when the queen meghan's big day. i mean, the prev alive, happy hen the queen meghan's big day. i mean, the prevalive, happy birthday. iueen was alive, happy birthday. messages were posted just after 9 am. both charles and 9 am. by both charles and camilla via clarence house. their official household at the time, and william and kate via

kensington palace. but this yeah kensington palace. but this year, nothing a deadly silence. instead the first post on the prince and princess of wales twitter account. now account was a congratulatory message to the makers of a film called rhino man . i mean, that says it all. man. i mean, that says it all. neither lilibet nor archie received birthday wishes this yeah received birthday wishes this year, either. archie's fourth birthday falling on the king's coronation which meghan rightly didn't attend , and in which didn't attend, and in which harry was strategically obscured by a random red feather, warned by a random red feather, warned by princess anne and seated away from the senior members of the family . i from the senior members of the family. i mean, it's from the senior members of the family . i mean, it's been from the senior members of the family. i mean, it's been a disastrous year for the pair losing spotify deal. losing their spotify deal. netflix scaling back on their projects and prince harry's court antics. they're so—called friends disappearing in their droves. the beckhams of apparently distanced themselves , not happy with the accusation that they leaked information as if they'd be bothered. i mean , if they'd be bothered. i mean, despite what you think of david and victoria , who are, in my and victoria, who are, in my

view, national treasures , they view, national treasures, they at least have earned their money using their talents . oh, sorry, using their talents. oh, sorry, that's not fair. on h&m , they've that's not fair. on h&m, they've perfected monetise the art of whinging. meghan's new bff serena williams didn't bother returning the invite to her recent new baby shower . i mean, recent new baby shower. i mean, if you remember, she attended meghan's 250 k event. i mean , meghan's 250 k event. i mean, you couldn't get more of a sick fist interview when she was interviewed by meghan in that archetypal failure of a podcast. i think you're funny and i love that you were one of the you are someone who always laughs at my jokes, either either we're the only two people in the world who find each other or find each other funny or were genuinely . genuinely funny. >> but i mean, most of our time chatting is just laugh laughing i >> remember the women in vision awards ? the duke and duchess of awards? the duke and duchess of hazard were embroiled in what they described as a near catastrophic car chase up and down the same street in gridlocked new york. i mean, this comedy gold moment led to

the pair keeping what appeared a low profile. they seem to be pursuing very separate goals, which sparked rumours that their marriage was heading the same way as their good friends. the trudeaus . in response, we got a trudeaus. in response, we got a gushy , loved up pr stunt . gushy, loved up pr stunt. apparently the birthday snub wasn't a snub, but was because they're not working royals. but then how come they weren't ignored the year before or the year before that? and this week after being further snubbed by his dad, the king, prince harry, has resurfaced, doing exactly the same as he did when he was a royal stuff for charity. but on his own terms, which, let's be honest , his own terms, which, let's be honest, don't seem that good. which begs the question why they didn't just stick with the job as a royal instead of carving a niche as grifters . right. before niche as grifters. right. before we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, do you believe the bbc is

anti—british calling the dambusters infamous, gary lineker's tirades and consistent anti—british , surely enough, is anti—british, surely enough, is enough.then anti—british, surely enough, is enough. then at 450 is royal roundup time and angela levin, royal biographer, will be live in the studio to give all the latest from behind the palace walls on the menu as the royals prepare for their first summer break balmoral without the break in balmoral without the queen harry and meghan try to divert attention again with a bizarre video and then at five, it's this week's difficult conversation on transgender teacher journalist debbie teacher and journalist debbie hayton in the studio hayton will be in the studio live to discuss from costa coffee encouraging mutilation . coffee encouraging mutilation. and news today that children as young as seven to get nhs trans treatment. that is all coming up . as ever. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. email gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb news. all gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at. gb news. all right. gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb news. all right. let's at. gb news. all right. let's welcome again to my panel, broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy and also broadcast writer

and broadcaster benjamin butterworth . welcome, benjamin . butterworth. welcome, benjamin. nice to have you on board. pleasure. thank you. well, i'm going to start with lizzie because she knows coup here, right? >> knows knows lizzie. >> there are again going on >> there they are again going on and about nonsense, all these and on about nonsense, all these weird things. they're doing this awful pr stunts . supposedly awful sick pr stunts. supposedly awful sick pr stunts. supposedly a surprise. mean, what do you think? well. >> well, i mean , think you think? well. >> iwere i mean , think you think? well. >> iwere fantastic think you think? well. >> iwere fantastic whatk you think? well. >> iwere fantastic what youu just were fantastic what you said. i mean, it is just getting so , i mean, video so sick, li. i mean, that video i just couldn't believe what i was watching. it was so set up, so i mean, i wrote so fake. i mean, i wrote a piece. we actually went everywhere from the york everywhere from the new york post about these post to australia about these two, just saying i think everyone is sick to the back teeth of them. can teeth of them. and can you imagine ringing up? becks? imagine harry ringing up? becks? hello. it's harry here. becks. yeah, well , victoria, stop yeah, well, victoria, stop selling stories . i yeah, well, victoria, stop selling stories. i mean, as if victoria is selling stories or meghan . i know a fashion label meghan. i know a fashion label isn't doing that well, but i don't think she's had to reach the point where she's got to do stories on make a markle. i just think needs to becoming

think needs to are becoming a laughing stock and only their friends are yeah but not friends are are yeah but not just here but over the pond and they're they they want to be with the right people seeing with the right people seeing with the right people seeing with the right people and all of them from the clooneys, you know, you've mentioned, know, everyone you've mentioned, the beckhams are tiptoeing away from benjamin, mean , look, >> but benjamin, i mean, look, there is clearly a problem and you hit it, dare i say quite you hit on it, dare i say quite rightly in your monologue, which is harry is what is the purpose of harry and meghan? >> think that's >> and i think that's why they're becoming unstuck, because some people often say, what's purpose in the royals? >> what do they really do? and they >> what do they really do? and the they do charity work . >> they do charity work. >> they do charity work. >> up day in ways >> they get up every day in ways that of us really wouldn't that most of us really wouldn't want work. those hours. want to work. those hours. and i think meghan have think that harry and meghan have tried they've been more tried to they've been more bothered tried to they've been more botiactual content . now, i think the actual content. now, i think what they for , stand the kind of what they for, stand the kind of issues they talk about , you issues they talk about, you know, privilege , know, racism, privilege, prejudice, all those sorts of things , i think they're great. things, i think they're great. and think the royal family and i think the royal family actually needs to be actually needs them to be more on than they are. the on side than they are. but the problem having is that problem they're having is that they much pr and spin, they have so much pr and spin, but don't seem to be doing but they don't seem to be doing

much the basis it. but they don't seem to be doing much the basis it . and you much at the basis of it. and you look at this, know, this look at this, you know, this phone was slightly phone call that was slightly staged, , suspect. staged, slightly, i suspect. >> that though it was >> i suspect that though it was totally staged , how would the totally staged, how would the girl know she's been filmed with perfect sound and there with the cameras for a surprise phone call. >> but, you know, you just see that and you think you kind of think that's all see them think that's all we see of them in are they actually in ages. what are they actually doing in the name doing all day in the name of pubuc doing all day in the name of public of public service in the name of these i think they'd these charities? i think they'd be to do a bit more hard be better to do a bit more hard graft and a bit less grift. but i don't think that means that they are, you know, the anti—christ people to anti—christ people try to make out destroying out like they're destroying britain, to britain, they're trying to damage thought damage us. and i thought they were on. >> come on. »- >> come on. >> no, what about in >> no, hang on. what about in their they called their document when they called that afua called empire that a afua hirsch called empire to point zero and stuff like that. and they literally slammed all supposed colonialism that was not that was pretty anti—british. that was pretty anti—monarchy. >> but you know what? a >> but you know what? there's a generation of people, my generation of people, my generation and a bit younger because i'm whom those because i'm 30, for whom those issues mean a lot. >> those questions about about race and sexuality and all the

rest of it, what some people like to call woke. they the like to call woke. they are the prevailing thought of a generation . and while you can generation. and while you can try and cast meghan in particular to one side and say she's this terrible person that doesn't have british values or whatever, those things whatever, actually those things she talks about mean a lot. and whatever, actually those things srthellks about mean a lot. and whatever, actually those things srthe royalyout mean a lot. and whatever, actually those things srthe royal familyean a lot. and whatever, actually those things srthe royal family doesn't:. and whatever, actually those things srthe royal family doesn't takej if the royal family doesn't take them then they're them on board, then they're going the support of going to lose the support of people 40. going to lose the support of peobenjamin 40. going to lose the support of peo benjamin what they did going to lose the support of peobenjamin what they did , going to lose the support of peo benjamin what they did , they >> benjamin what they did, they underestimated how how loved the royal family are. they totally underestimated that . and that is underestimated that. and that is why the friends who they need these, you know , high, high these, you know, high, high places, friends, they obama's aren't wanting to be associated with them anymore because actually not just here, but globally . people love the royal globally. people love the royal family and they've totally trashed them. and they trade on them. and why don't they find, as you said, their own identity and do something, you know, important or, you know, more charity stuff rather than just, you whinging , charity stuff rather than just, you whinging, moaning and you know, whinging, moaning and trashing our royal family because that's all they ever do. and that's all they you know, anyone's interested the anyone's interested is about the royal they've left

royal family. and they've left them now what are them and they're now what are they ? i mean, they going to do? i mean, really, for them ? really, what's left for them? well, daughter, she's 14 and well, my daughter, she's 14 and she laughs about meghan. >> she says, but they love william kate . so she's william and kate. so she's the generation that you're sort of young people are saying, and they really much of they don't really think much of harry meghan but harry and meghan. yeah, but she's and they're her group of friends that they're well friends think that they're well but what her bedtime stories, your gb news monologues. >> she oh she's embarrassed about me. >> she's embarrassed about me. but oh, friend but then she goes, oh, my friend saw they think saw you on tiktok. they think you're then i'm you're really cool. but then i'm still embarrassed . i'm still embarrassed. i'm embarrassment. you not. do not >> but do you not. do you not i mean, obviously you're black. so among among other blacks, i have noidea. no idea. >> this is the first i've heard of it. >> but. >> but. >> but. >> but do you find that, among other black people, do they feel an affinity with do they other black people, do they feel an alike ty with do they other black people, do they feel an alike they're do they other black people, do they feel an alike they're glad do they other black people, do they feel an alike they're glad she'so they feel like they're glad she's talking these things and talking about these things and she's into the she's dragging them into the 21st she's dragging them into the zisfl she's dragging them into the 21st| don't mean, >> i don't think i mean, my friends, i think of friends, i don't think any of them see her as somebody them would see her as somebody who's but who's black, to be honest. but i don't that's don't really think that's relevant at all. i think that people her a winger people just see her as a winger and clinging on to

and a moaner and clinging on to something that never something that she never affiliated before . affiliated herself with before. so to honest, black side so to be honest, the black side of her was never something that she ever appeared to address until she came to the uk and we all addressed it and thought it was wonderful. think she was wonderful. but i think she sort weird feeling sort of got a weird feeling about that and then suddenly suddenly it. and suddenly acknowledged it. and i don't think she was comfortable with really with that. so i don't really i don't really see her as black . i don't really see her as black. i don't really see her as black. i don't see her as white. i just see her as a winger who just she's and she's rich and privileged , and she should privileged, and she should appreciate living in a huge appreciate that living in a huge mansion with nine toilets and all the rest of it. >> but i just think she should have so great. she could have been so great. she could have been so great. she could have made such difference. and have made such a difference. and it's it's ended have made such a difference. and it's this. it's ended have made such a difference. and it's this. well it's ended have made such a difference. and it's this. well i it's ended have made such a difference. and it's this. well i mean,ended have made such a difference. and it's this. well i mean, never mind. >> that's the way goes with mind. >> th people. way goes with mind. >> th people. she'll goes with mind. >> thpeople. she'll goes to th some people. she'll have to learn way . but listen, learn the hard way. but listen, if just join me, on if you just join me, welcome on board. tv board. this is gb news on tv online, and on digital radio on the difficult the way. this week's difficult conversation. stories conversation. plenty of stories , trans stories from costa to children's younger seven getting nhs trans treatment . we'll be nhs trans treatment. we'll be discussing that with teacher and journalist debbie hayton . that's

journalist debbie hayton. that's on the way. all that that warm feeling inside from the boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> good afternoon . my name is >> good afternoon. my name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast brought to you by the met office. while storm anthony is still crossing the uk through this afternoon and this is going to bring further heavy rain and strong those strongest strong winds, those strongest winds will still be across southern parts of wales and southwest england where there are still weather warnings in force. we go through this force. but as we go through this evening, those winds will slowly start to ease. seeing some start to ease. still seeing some heavy showers and thunderstorms across the east as storm anthony pulls away to the east, bringing some breezy conditions and further outbreaks of rain into the early hours of sunday here. elsewhere, winds elsewhere, though, winds becoming light and generally dner, becoming light and generally drier , too. so temperatures drier, too. so temperatures dropping bit more dropping a little bit more readily than what saw readily tonight than what we saw last so brighter start to last night. so brighter start to the second half of the weekend for many. still some outbreaks

of rain in the east as storm anthony makes a slow clearance to the east. elsewhere though, a mixture of sunshine and showers throughout sunday. these could be heavy across northern ireland, scotland and northern england, too, where we could just see the odd isolated thunderstorm . but otherwise it's thunderstorm. but otherwise it's a much more pleasant, bright and dner a much more pleasant, bright and drier day on sunday with those temperatures faring a little better too . so looking ahead to better too. so looking ahead to the week , though, after the new week, though, after another night on sunday another chilly night on sunday night, start to night, a brighter start to monday , though, still with the monday, though, still with the odd around. and if we odd shower around. and if we look at the rest of the week, temperatures starting to climb, though, as we get towards wednesday drier and wednesday with some drier and more to come i >> -- >> that 5mm >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> good afternoon . this is gb >> good afternoon. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana o'quinn. coming up, it's time for our royal roundup with angela levin . but

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4:00. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we are live on tv online and on digital radio. and it's time now for the great british debate. this hour , i'm asking, debate. this hour, i'm asking, do believe that the bbc is do you believe that the bbc is anti british? now? this week the bbc apologised after one of their presenters called the dambusters raid, which took place during the second world war. infamous on its 80th anniversary in may. let's have a listen . listen. >> still to come here on breakfast, 80 years after 19 lancaster bombers took part in the infamous dambuster raids , the infamous dambuster raids, tonight, a special anniversary fly—past will take place . fly—past will take place. >> now, you may think we're making too much of it, but the word infamous is used to describe things which are, well known because something bad known because of something bad in its apology. our public service broadcaster said errors do slip through, do occasionally slip through, but outrage has already been triggered with the comments on the heroic dambusters. bbc employee gary lineker caused controversy with his tweet comparing the government's asylum seeker policy to that of 1930 germany and also this year

the bbc came under fire for platform ing anti—british sentiment as it chose. mae muller, as a eurovision entry. now the singer has previously publicly declared that she hates this country . publicly declared that she hates this country. so for publicly declared that she hates this country . so for the great this country. so for the great british debate, this hour, i'm asking do you believe that the bbc is anti—british? i'm joined now by denis macshane, former labour mp michael cole, former bbc royal correspondent martin campbell, former chief adviser to ofcom, and ahmed, former head of religion and ethics at the bbc. well, akhil, i'll start with you . akhil oh, we've just with you. akhil oh, we've just lost akhil . we'll try and get lost akhil. we'll try and get him back. let's go with martin, then. martin you're a former chief adviser to ofcom. are we do that the has got do you feel that the bbc has got a bit they've turned a little bit anti british? >> yeah, i do think it's anti—british, but i don't think it's quite as straightforward as that. i mean, i tend to veer towards up rather than conspiracy because i don't think the bbc are capable of

organising a conspiracy. i think what they've let themselves do is to sort of sink into the swamp of , of wokery. swamp of, of wokery. >> i mean, it probably whoever wrote on the autocue, the word infamous probably didn't know the meaning of it because, you know, i think the training is so bad now at the moment at the bbc. >> i think it's terrible . >> i think it's terrible. >> i think it's terrible. >> interesting. i was trained by the bbc. i think a lot of us here were michael said these days, these days, it's true. it's been a few years since i've been there. michael cole this lack of patriotism was seen at its most naked . its most naked. >> 41 years ago during the falkland war, when the bbc and the in the shape of newsnight refused to describe the royal marines, the royal navy , the marines, the royal navy, the royal air force and the army fighting to regain these islands who were invaded by by a fascist regime in buenos irish who refused to call them our forces.

so you had peter snow with his santa on newsnight talking about the british forces doing this and that as if it was a foreign country . well, that went down country. well, that went down extremely badly at the time. and i was working there . i served 20 i was working there. i served 20 years and three months before the broadcast mast. and the problem is nana, if you really want to look at it, that the people within the bbc have a liberal metropolitan ivory tower view of the world, which is inculcate within it. and anybody who stands up and says something other than that will not be preferred and will not get promotion. now when i joined the bbc in 1968, there were 28,000 people. i think it was i was one of five people who would have admitted to voting conservative, even if people were right wing. they didn't say so. now there's 22,000 people. the difference is , in 1968, the bbc made nearly all of its programmes. today it makes none of them because

they're all farmed out to other companies . so what are the companies. so what are the 22,000 people within the building do? they write memos they have meetings. they have discussions. and these are circular discussions where they all reinforce the view that they take an already. so you have groupthink and what they've come up with is something which is diametrically opposed to what most of the people in this country think and feel. >> well , let's go to country think and feel. >> well, let's go to denis macshane. denis macshane i'm also like you now, like you are also like you now, like you are a bbc guy. >> i remember when i got a graduate traineeship at the end of oxford is the proudest day of my life. i was deeply, deeply honoured and i love the bbc. i would actually ask not so much as bbc anti—british, but as britain anti—british because britain anti —british because does britain anti—british because does britain really exist anymore with a very narrow southern right? >> it was quite important. >> it was quite important.

>> it's quite important. >> it's quite important. >> this if we don't know what we stand for as a country and we haven't now for most of this century , we be difficult to ask. century, we be difficult to ask. >> the bbc to do it for us. i agree with michael to some extent. i carried out a poll of everybody on newsnight after the 1974 election. 23 out of 24 of the edges voted . producers, the edges voted. producers, researchers voted liberal, which in those days was like voting tory. they weren't labour. >> it certainly isn't a left wing organisation. >> the daily telegraph, the daily mail, the spectator are the most read journals in the bbc. it's where all the today gets all of its ideas from. >> it doesn't debate the big issues. >> it's killed world service, which when michael and i were there was its proudest proudest work promoting britain of the world. so and above all, it imposes this regressive tax that means the poorest people pay a lot more than the better off people for . lot more than the better off people for. it's very lot more than the better off people for . it's very expensive people for. it's very expensive be paid . be paid. >> i mean, michael would dream to have the salary that

presenters have today . presenters have today. >> yeah, well, let's begin. akhil akhil well , i don't think akhil akhil well, i don't think the bbc is anti—british at all. >> i think it's you know, you can you can you can disagree with the bbc or you can disagree with the bbc or you can disagree with certain programmes, you can disagree with, you know, the, the way it's been run, etcetera. but to say it's anti—british, i think i don't know. and it just seems a bit silly to me. i mean, on this particular story, the whole bouncing bomb thing, i think mistake and think it was just a mistake and it silly mistake. and it was a silly mistake. and actually somebody who actually one for somebody who grew comics like grew up reading comics like victor . et cetera. victor and commando. et cetera. >> it kind of like it shows you more don't more about how people don't relate that past. and i think relate to that past. and i think that's one of the issues here, is are any organisation is actually are any organisation and organisation or and any media organisation or one up full of one that's made up full of people who may be monocultural in thinking are from in thinking are coming from a certain socio economic group, a cultural group , do they cultural group, do they understand everybody's particular point of view and different perspectives and treat them equally? >> i think that's something i

think we could have a real serious conversation about. but no anti—british , but they no one's anti—british, but they may be fully aware of what may not be fully aware of what some of the great things are about country, also what about the country, but also what how everybody thinks very differently. you don't all have to think in the same way. >> and i think that's the key to this story for me. >> martin quickly, because you're shaking your head you're you're shaking your head and i think i mean, that is right . right. >> but the problem is, i believe that people effectively are becoming institutionalised at the bbc when they join because there's no firm hand on the tiller . you there's no firm hand on the tiller. you can see what's happening with gary lineker and carol vorderman. there's no aduu carol vorderman. there's no adult in the room. and i think that's that's what's happening within the bbc. >> well, listen, anybody else? you've got a few seconds. michael, do you have something to say? you've got 10s. michael, you problem. you have the problem. >> nana that >> the problem is nana that the bbc set up. it is bbc has a unique set up. it is set up to spend money rather than make money. so therefore nobody ever gets sacked unless they don't pay their licence fee. nobody will ever criticise

anybody . they are within a anybody. they are within a circle. it's a circular conversation. they reinforce their mistakes and if the woman said infamous and she didn't know what it meant, well then it's agnew ignorance rather than than than aggressiveness , isn't it? >> well, listen, thank you so much, dennis. no time to bring you back in. thank goodness. no, i'm you. dennis thank i'm teasing you. dennis thank you much. for denis you very much. for denis macshane, former labour mp michael bbc royal michael cole, former bbc royal correspondent. martin campbell, former chief adviser to ofcom, and akeel ahmed, former head of religion at the bbc. religion and ethics at the bbc. right well, what do you think? get in touch. you know who you're i'm nana akua. you're with? me? i'm nana akua. this gb news tv online and this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. after the break, we'll continue with our great british debate hour great british debate this hour and asking, believe and i'm asking, do you believe the bbc is anti—british? you'll hear the thoughts of my panel, broadcaster columnist lizzie broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy, journalist and cundy, also a journalist and broadcaster, benjamin butterworth. but first, let's broadcaster, benjamin but'your rth. but first, let's broadcaster, benjamin but'your latest it first, let's broadcaster, benjamin but'your latest news:, let's broadcaster, benjamin but'your latest news headlines .

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british good afternoon. it's 39 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. don't forget, you can download the gb news app where you can check out all the programmes here on the channel. i'm nana akua it's time now for our akua and it's time now for our great british debate this hour and you believe and i'm asking, do you believe that bbc is anti—british now that the bbc is anti—british now the bbc triggered outrage when one of their presenters called the dambusters raid infamous. now this week our public service broadcast apologised , saying broadcast apologised, saying errors do occasionally slip through. i mean, it was a live show , so fair other show, so fair enough. other incident , though, have also put incident, though, have also put the bbc in hot water with the pubuc the bbc in hot water with the public employee gary public such as employee gary lineker . public such as employee gary lineker. he's tweeting comparing the government's asylum seeker policy to that of 1930 germany and the decision to choose mae muller as the uk's eurovision entry. although i don't know whether they're the ones that choose it, i don't think they choose it, i don't think they choose but the thing it had choose it. but the thing it had previously she previously declared that she

hates this country, although i don't know whether i'd bag that in with it, but. so what do you think? the british think? for the great british debate asking, debate this hour? i'm asking, do you the is you believe that the bbc is ultimately british? well, ultimately anti british? well, let's panel make of ultimately anti british? well, let's i'm panel make of ultimately anti british? well, let's i'm joined panel make of ultimately anti british? well, let's i'm joined nowrnel make of ultimately anti british? well, let's i'm joined now byl make of that. i'm joined now by broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy and also broadcaster and journalist benjamin butterworth. benjamin i'm going to start with you. is it anti—british , the bbc? >> no, not at all. >> no, not at all. >> and i think it's farcical to say that the problem that the bbc is that we live in bbc has is that we live in a time where it's very contentious culturally. >> there are lots of questions about identity and the bbc is an impartial state broadcaster . impartial state broadcaster. state funded broadcaster is finding itself struggling to square that circle. and i think that's where this question comes from. but if you look about the great, the great occasions of state, whether it is big sporting events like wimbledon or football, which it covers with remarkable talent , or football, which it covers with remarkable talent, or we think back to last year and the queen's funeral, which it covered without a single mistake, although although we had to fight them for the feed,

i think they were charging prepared to charge an extortionate amount for broadcasters like us and talktv to actually take the feed in the they backed down, which i thought was petty because i think they gave it to free for overseas . overseas. >> that's right. >> well that's right. >> well that's right. >> yeah >> that's right. yeah >> that's right. yeah >> that's anti—british >> so that's quite anti—british isn't . the people isn't it. the british people would want watch that any would want to watch that on any platform. bbc insisted platform. but the bbc insisted that actually will give it to foreign countries have it foreign countries to have it free, but to people like us, the people st giles' gb news and other channels who like us, they were prepared to charge us. that's pretty. i think that's. >> but i think more petty >> but i think that's more petty than you than considerable because, you know, of it, though, know, that's part of it, though, isn't way isn't it? but the way they covered way covered that event and the way they things like royal covered that event and the way they is things like royal covered that event and the way they is unrivalled le royal covered that event and the way they is unrivalled . royal covered that event and the way they is unrivalled . and royal covered that event and the way they is unrivalled . and theyl family is unrivalled. and they also help britain lead in the world because so many of the dramas that the bbc produces become the biggest shows in the world. top gear, when it had the famous trio on it with clarkson, well, they got rid of him, the most watched the whole most watched show in the whole world. and you see that constantly from the bbc. and i think is a hugely effective

think it is a hugely effective tool for britain. tool of soft power for britain. and i think it reflects most british people. i mean, it's still the case that 80 odd% of british people consume the bbc every single week. and i think sometimes we get too torn up in the little mistakes that happen in any broadcaster. individuals or channels make mistakes. but the truth is that, you know, i listen to radio two quite a lot and it clearly reflects a huge number of british people and the kind of music they play, the kind of music they play, the kind of music they play, the kind of topics they do. >> they of >> well, they got rid of ken bruce a million listeners. >> well, that's they're >> well, that's it. they're losing losing losing 72. they are losing viewers, benjamin. i mean, it's over a million, think in the over a million, i think in the last month . and that's for one last month. and that's for one of the reasons they're getting rid presenters . rid of their older presenters. and hosts are very popular and using young cool woke presenters that no one's interested in. and it has strong english stations. >> it's an old one. >> the bbc has strong inclinations to always be spreading left wing views and wokeness. and i'm afraid it's they're our downfall and they're

supposed to be impartial . we've supposed to be impartial. we've got mouth of the day. i call him gary sprouting . gary lineker, sprouting. sprouting. oh he's nonsense and misinformation . an and he misinformation. an and he shouldn't be doing that . he's shouldn't be doing that. he's supposed to be impartial. now we've got mouthy. carol vorderman doing it, who's now doing a show on radio bbc wales and she she suddenly won't stop, will she ? all her left wing will she? all her left wing views the bbc under undressed mate the public. and that's what's happening. they're turning off because that's what they're doing and brexit as well they're doing and brexit as well they were definitely anti—brexit and the british people. >> evidence that >> what's your evidence that they well , they were? anti—brexit well, well, to be honest, a lot of people actually switched people have actually switched off as result that because people have actually switched off awere�*sult that because people have actually switched off awere sick that because people have actually switched off awere sick and|at because people have actually switched off awere sick and tiredecause people have actually switched off awere sick and tiredecalthe they were sick and tired of the left wing bias that would suggest supported suggest that the bbc supported remain . remain. >> e seem w— e seem that way. >> and it did seem that way. >> and it did seem that way. >> the >> so, i mean, look, the political during political editor during that penod political editor during that period kuenssberg, period, laura kuenssberg, was constantly accused of being a tory or being a lefty , depending tory or being a lefty, depending on were listening to. on who you were listening to. and for me, that says they're doing job in pretty doing a good job in pretty impossible doing a good job in pretty imfgoodle doing a good job in pretty imfgood job. i worked at the bbc

>> good job. i worked at the bbc at time. at the time. >> at the time. » m at the time. >> be careful. you >> you had to be careful. you couldn't ever say anything about leave. to act as though leave. you had to act as though you remainer. it felt you were a remainer. it felt like that was the energy there, i i the problem >> i think the problem the bbc has that it reflects the has is that it reflects the status quo, whatever that may be, and so in the same way that i think it succumbs requests be, and so in the same way that itthe it succumbs requests be, and so in the same way that i tthe conservative requests be, and so in the same way that i tthe conservative government of the conservative government to it's it's too soft to often it's too it's too soft on them. >> i think it is an establishment organisation that reflects the status quo of the day. it doesn't want to be radical i think that's where radical and i think that's where it that it struggles. but the idea that it struggles. but the idea that it hates britain i think is just utterly preposterous and if you've forgotten something, do you've forgotten something, do you remember the newsreader i'm just getting a name. >> maxine kazal, who was laughing gleefully at boris demise. i mean, that was so wrong. how can you not say that? because it's so not right . and because it's so not right. and the stars of the bbc who enjoy the stars of the bbc who enjoy the bounty of the licence fee and yet they don't relate to the normal person because they got their presenters and hosts on milk . and you know, i mean, gary milk. and you know, i mean, gary lineker , we pay him a fortune lineker, we pay him a fortune

out of our purse. >> but you said earlier, you said gary lineker is meant to be impartial . said gary lineker is meant to be impartial. no, he's not. >> no, he is . impartial. no, he's not. >> no, he is. he impartial. no, he's not. >> no, he is . he is impartial. no, he's not. >> no, he is. he is supposed to be impartial. >> he's not he's not in news and current affairs and irrelevant. and it's not and this new. well, it's not irrelevant is because the bbc. >> that's what. >> no, that's not what. >> no, that's not what. >> but not tim >> no, but that's not what tim davies said. he said that he'd come tonne of bricks come down like a tonne of bricks on anyone, irrespective what on anyone, irrespective of what yourwere on anyone, irrespective of what yomwere not impartial. he you were not impartial. he even there's quote there's a big speech and a quote that he said would be his that he said that would be his remit. bbc, as a remit. and at the bbc, i as a i wasn't necessarily a news i was on radio. so i would have been i would have been same would have been on the same rules lineker. got rules as gary lineker. and i got in trouble for speaking or saying something that they didn't another channel. didn't like. on another channel. yet can say yet gary lineker can say whatever like. say one whatever he like. could say one rule one rule for rule for gary, one rule for everyone rule for gary, one rule for eve it's1e fair. i think. >> it's not fair. i think. >> it's not fair. i think. >> it's not fair. i think. >> i think all those people that work entertainment for the work in entertainment for the bbc be allowed to express bbc should be allowed to express their opinion, not their political opinion, not because them. because we pay them. >> paying >> we're paying for them. benjamin it's not benjamin that's why it's not right bbc are right. that's why the bbc are struggling to keep their viewers. >> i sort of communist china idea turns up idea that anybody who turns up on homes under the to on homes under the hammer to cover present the show somehow

on homes under the hammer to cover pthent the show somehow on homes under the hammer to cover pthen never;how somehow on homes under the hammer to cover pthen never ben somehow on homes under the hammer to cover pthen never ben sontorow on homes under the hammer to cover pthen never ben sonto say should then never be able to say what they think about the council what they think about the couwell, wouldn't give you >> well, they wouldn't give you a something a job if you'd said something on twitter that was right wing. i mean, be honest, mean, let's be honest, ridiculous because entertainers should those should not have to face those boundanes should not have to face those boundaries don't. should not have to face those b0land'ies don't. should not have to face those b0land they don't. should not have to face those b0land they didn't. don't. should not have to face those b0land they didn't. well, . should not have to face those b0land portilloin't. well, . should not have to face those b0land portillo did well, . should not have to face those b0land portillo did train,. michael portillo did train documentaries and presented on gb news, but he was he was employed political figure. employed as a political figure. >> a political >> they knew as a political figure. no, no, figure. listen. so bbc no, no, because gary lineker isn't he's not employee of the not a full time employee of the bbc or he's not a gary lineker or he's not associated with the bbc. have an bbc. so if you have an association them for a long association with them for a long time, he's been match of time, like he's been on match of the years, the day for, however many years, he paid presenter he is the highest paid presenter on is no that on the bbc. there is no way that you or you can deny his association or affiliation with the channel. therefore, he is a face of the bbc and as such he must represent impartiality that represent the impartiality that we expect we don't pay. >> gary lineker listen >> gary lineker to listen to his political . it's not right. political views. it's not right. and he doesn't. he doesn't say that's losing. it's, that's why they're losing. it's, you sense and you know, the sense and presentation britishness presentation of the britishness has sacrificed on the altar has been sacrificed on the altar of identity politics at the bbc. >> well, let's see what the others think, because this shows nothing board. welcome our them on board. let's welcome our great the great british voice onto the

show , their opportunity tell show, their opportunity to tell us the us what they think about the topics discussing. topics we're discussing. let's head hear head over to bristol. let's hear what harris has to he's what lee harris has to say. he's always interesting. lee, always very interesting. lee, the bbc, is it a bit anti—british ? anti—british? >> oh, oh, only a little tiny. little bit. >> no, no, of course. >> it's massively anti—british. >> it's massively anti—british. >> 100. yes the bbc isn't affectionately known as the british broadcasting corporation. >> sorry, the british bashing corporation for nothing. nana you know, i never used to think this. i loved the bbc back in 2015, but they've earned that name because of the undisputed evidence. the infamous examples you've already mentioned of their disdain for britain hasn't happenedin their disdain for britain hasn't happened in isolation. this has been going on for years. it's become a running joke and frankly, it's not very funny because we're all forced to pay for it through their and for it through their archaic and unfair licence fee. you know, i really like benn. i think he's a good bloke, but he's way, way off this for some time now. off on this for some time now. the bbc is being taken over by

anti—brexit woke left wing groupthink , which i completely groupthink, which i completely agree with because i've seen it with my own eyes. maybe it's just because benn agrees with it. he doesn't really see it, but anyone who follows me on twitter will know that i've been clipping blatant example of their bias reporting since 2016. most of which has gone viral. you know, this is why i'm so happy nana genuinely that gb news is here and it's been so successful and it's growing so quickly . you know, people are quickly. you know, people are crying out for something different. i have been crying out for something different . you out for something different. you know, i would argue as well that by not representing all points of view and clearly not upholding their obligation to impartiality , that is impartiality, that is fundamentally un—british on its own . but but it goes much deeper own. but but it goes much deeper than that, as you've just discussed. you know, we've seen their presenters sneering at all things british. they've laughed at our national flag on national television . they literally mock television. they literally mock and talk britain down, which evenly , amazingly, seeps into

evenly, amazingly, seeps into supposed oddly benign programs like countryfile and children's programme, like horrible histories . programme, like horrible histories. i'm programme, like horrible histories . i'm sure you remember histories. i'm sure you remember that one. you know, these leading middle class woke sneering attitudes to all things british is an attempt to make us despise our own country. and this is why trust is being declining . declining. >> well, we've got to go. this is too good. this is. this is not good. leave him on a row. he's lee harris he's going go for it. lee harris , thank you very much. >> now to shut up. >> now you have to shut me up. >> now you have to shut me up. >> so much , lee. >> thank you so much, lee. lovely to talk to you as usual. lee succinct ever. lee harris, succinct as ever. this gb news tv, online this is gb news on tv, online and digital radio. coming and on digital radio. coming up, this difficult this week's difficult conversation with plenty of trans costa trans stories. the cost costa thing whole thing. thing and all the whole thing. about having about seven year olds having trans treatment. i'll be joining the to discuss with the studio to discuss with debbie hayton the temperatures rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news sponsors of weather on. gb news good afternoon. >> my name is rachel ayers and

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odd isolated thunderstorm . but odd isolated thunderstorm. but otherwise it's a much more pleasant , brighter otherwise it's a much more pleasant, brighter and drier day on sunday with those temperatures faring a little better, too . looking ahead better, too. looking ahead to the though , after the new week, though, after another on sunday another chilly night on sunday night, a brighter start to monday , though, still with the monday, though, still with the odd around. and we odd shower around. and if we look at the rest of the week, temperatures starting to climb, though, we towards though, as we get towards wednesday with some drier and more conditions to come i >> -- >> the temperatures rising , boxt >> the temperatures rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> well, coming up next, it's my weekly royal roundup time with royal biographer. can't say it, angela levin . don't go anywhere

good afternoon. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. now there's always something going on in the royal household and this week has been no different . but who better to different. but who better to break down the stories than royal biographer angela levin ? royal biographer angela levin? so angela, you're here to give me a rundown. so talk to me what's been going on in the royal household ? royal household? >> do that , >> well, before i just do that, i want say that absolutely i want to say that absolutely extraordinary . extraordinary. >> need to feel sorry >> we don't need to feel sorry for them all for them at all because a magazine called investing.com and it does how much the royals are worth say that harry is

worth $40 million and meghan is worth $40 million and meghan is worth $60 million. so that they've got no money. i don't believe that at all. so there they are still being , you know, they are still being, you know, poor me sort of thing in every possible way. >> so that's that. >> so that's that. >> so that's that. >> so i think the tide has turned on them actually. i think a lot of celebrities don't really want to build any relationship with them because they've got catherine and william coming over to new york and actually they're the ones who are going to win the race. >> however hard meghan tries to smash catherine down, they're going to win because of their position and of course, their manner . manner. >> and it just shows you that actually being quiet and dignified will win in the end . dignified will win in the end. >> and what's interesting to me is that the royal family as well are now taking action on. it was one thing when the queen elizabeth's was there and the then prince charles didn't want

to upset her. and, you know, her grandson and all that. but now she's not and he's in charge. they didn't say, please come to balmoral and help us with this. one year thing . talking about one year thing. talking about queen elizabeth. it's one year that since she's died on september the 7th, i think at and so that makes it sort of that they're not part of the family anymore . there's not a family anymore. there's not a big meeting or a celebration or anything in church or anything like that. it's just he's going to be quiet in balmoral and the family are going to visit him . family are going to visit him. he doesn't want them to visit him and upset them because they think just about them. they'd come they'd have come in, they'd have a huge argument what they haven't argument about what they haven't had and the money they haven't had and the money they haven't had and the attention they haven't they don't need haven't had. so they don't need that. as for meghan's that. and as for meghan's birthday yesterday , they and birthday yesterday, they and they didn't get any say anything that was part into the normal

current of the day from the royal family to wish them a happy birthday. the answer was that they don't do that to non—working royals. but they did it last year and they did it year before, before that. but they didn't actually talk about wish camilla a happy birthday. so that's all gone. and they're distancing and distancing and they're going to have less and less material to use as to complain about or to be up to date about. my own feeling was that i was very irritated that meghan is going to germany with invictus games and she's going to handle it all. but harry is to handle it all. but harry is to going make a short speech at the end and i thought you know, this is harry's job. this is harry's most successful thing that he's done . that he's done. >> it's the only successful thing he's done. i can't think of anything else. no. >> well, i was trying be >> well, i was trying to be a bit kind that he could go . and bit kind that he could go. and he should be the centre of attention . but she'll take it attention. but she'll take it over. attention. but she'll take it over . and you think, well, when

over. and you think, well, when their relationship is so odd, as we saw on that phone call, which was extraordinary, the extreme , was extraordinary, the extreme, and they both didn't look at each other well, he glanced at her twice. she didn't look at him what does that mean ? him once. what does that mean? it's just unfair that she's got to be there. why won't she let him do it? it's like a little boy. you won't let him go out on his case gets run his own in case he gets run oveh his own in case he gets run over. but he should be there to do it. and that's a very big shame as well. and i think the whole thing is really unhappy and miserable . well, are they on and miserable. well, are they on their own? are they not? for her birthday, she went out with girlfriends to see bobby. harry was left at home. the day before they went out with the husband of a friend of hers. >> i suppose he probably didn't watch. >> want to watch bar because it was sort of he was probably ken in it, isn't it? >> but want to build >> no, but if you want to build the relationship birthday >> no, but if you want to build the you ionship birthday >> no, but if you want to build the you care1ip birthday >> no, but if you want to build the you care about birthdays, and you care about birthdays, you can always go any day of the week with a girlfriend , can't week with a girlfriend, can't you? they're trying to

you? and if they're trying to make amends up their make amends and build up their relationship up, it would be nice went their own, nice if they went on their own, but i think it's but they didn't. so i think it's a disaster. we're on the downward slide now. very much so . and i just hope that when meghan and he do break up, which they will do fairly shortly , they will do fairly shortly, that she doesn't get nasty . that she doesn't get nasty. >> well, that'd be interesting. women get. no, we never get nasty on a break—up. women get. no, we never get nasty on a break—up . well, nasty on a break—up. well, breaking up with the prince. who? meghan? i don't know . breaking up with the prince. who? meghan? i don't know. but we'll see. keep your eyes peeled on that one. angela levin, thank you our royal you very much. she's our royal biographer. you're watching and listening tv listening to gb news on tv onune listening to gb news on tv online and on digital radio. loads more come in the next loads more to come in the next hour. houh so if you just joined me, welcome on board. i'm nana. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. now for the next hour, me panel will taking me and my panel will be taking on big topics on some of the big topics hitting right now hitting the headlines right now . now on the way, trans journalist and teacher debbie hayton for difficult

hayton joins me for difficult conversations and a great british debate this hour . conversations and a great british debate this hour. is it time for the nhs to go private ? time for the nhs to go private? but first, let's get your latest news . news headlines. >> thank you very much, nana. i'm rory smith in the gb newsroom . the met office is newsroom. the met office is warning of possible danger to life as storm anthony batters parts of the uk. an amber warning is in place for southwestern parts of england and wales. that's until 7:00 this evening. strong winds could cause flying debris. power cuts and even travel disruption . and even travel disruption. meanwhile, a yellow weather warning for rain is in place for northern ireland with flooding possible . weather journalist possible. weather journalist nathan rao explained the conditions . conditions. >> wind speeds of this storm, storm anthony, are expected to be around 75 mile per hour gusts on the coasts and 55 mile per hour inland. it's not the strongest storm that we've seen , but because of the time of year , the leaves, the trees are

year, the leaves, the trees are all in full leaf and it's houday all in full leaf and it's holiday season. schools are holiday season. the schools are off. and where going to be off. and where it's going to be hitting the impact storm hitting the impact of this storm hitting the impact of this storm hitting today is likely to be greater than the sort greater than had the same sort of thing happened later in the year to french police officers have been injured in clashes with migrants near calais, around 60 people threw rocks and other missiles as officers tried to stop people smugglers launching a small boat. >> the officers were treated in hospital for non—life threatening injuries. gb news can reveal that 15,100 migrants have crossed the english channel in small boats since the start of this year. that's down more than 2500 on the same period last year . prosecutors in the us last year. prosecutors in the us have asked a judge to limit what donald trump can say publicly about a criminal case against him. they warned that mr trump may be seeking to use evidence to target witnesses after he posted a message to social media that said if you go after me, i'm coming after you. while

speaking at a republican event in alabama , the former us in alabama, the former us president described the allegations as fake and said he was being targeted for political reasons. >> i'm they filed an indictment. we go way up in the polls. we need one more indicted agent to close out this election . one close out this election. one more indictment . and this more indictment. and this election is closed out. nobody has even a chance . has even a chance. >> pakistan's former prime minister, imran khan's party is calling for peaceful protests after a court sentenced him to three years in prison for illegally selling state gifts. khan was convicted of misusing his 2018 to 2022 premiership to buy and sell items in state possession worth more than 140 million pakistani rupees. the city of lahore is preparing for unrest following the verdict, his lawyers are filing a petition against the decision in high court. mr khan has always denied any wrongdoing . england's

denied any wrongdoing. england's children's commissioner says a shortage of foster carers will get worse without more investment. dame rachel de souza says nearly three quarters of people who complete a fostering form do not go on to look after children . she warns bureaucracy children. she warns bureaucracy may be a problem and is urging the government to make it easier to become a foster carer. well, last year a review called for £26 billion of new spending in £2.6 billion of new spending in children's social care over four years. the government says funding is not falling short at ukraine. an intelligence source has claimed responsibility after a russian tanker was damaged in a russian tanker was damaged in a sea drone attack. russian media reports that the vessel was targeted as it approached the kerch strait . that's quite the kerch strait. that's quite near the strategic bridge that links russia with occupied crimea . well, the attack comes crimea. well, the attack comes after russian ports were pummelled by russian drone strikes for which kyiv had threatened to retaliate . amazon

threatened to retaliate. amazon is experiencing a second day of strikes as workers walk out of its fulfilment centre in staffordshire over pay . staffordshire over pay. meanwhile, another two day walkout is taking place at the company's warehouse in coventry . the gmb union says this represents the biggest day of industrial disruption in the tech firm's history. the union says more than 1000 people are taking part. well, sarah is gm's regional organiser here. she told us what they want out. >> they've all had enough . they >> they've all had enough. they can't carry on living in the staining on the wages that they are at the moment. they want better pay. it's as simple as that. they're asking the that. they're not asking for the millions. asking for a millions. they're asking for a sustainable living wage . sustainable living wage. >> members of influential rock band the kinks are paying tribute to their former keyboardist john gosling, who has died at the age of 75. the you're really coming out, you got me. >> so i can't see my dad brothers .

brothers. >> sir ray and dave davies formed the band in the 1960s before gosling joined in the 1970s. the kinks scored three number one singles in the uk , number one singles in the uk, including the iconic track you really got me this . including the iconic track you really got me this. this is including the iconic track you really got me this . this is gb really got me this. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car , on digital radio and on car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news nato back to nana . play gb news nato back to nana. >> hello, good afternoon. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. for the next houh digital radio. for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine , it's theirs. and of it's mine, it's theirs. and of course, yours . we'll be course, it's yours. we'll be debating, and at debating, discussing and at times disagree. but no times we will disagree. but no one be cancelled . so one will be cancelled. so joining me today is broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy and

also broadcast from journalist benjamin butterworth. now, still to come today, my difficult conversation is with transgender teacher and journalist debbie hayton with plenty of stories dominating the agenda this week with regards to the trans issue. costa coffee with that awful, awful little thing that they did with that, i don't even want to talk about it. we will discuss that. and children as young as seven nhs treatment seven and getting nhs treatment trans too trans ideology. has it gone too far then for the british far then for the great british debate hour? asking is debate this hour? i'm asking is it the nhs to go it time for the nhs to go private with waiting out it time for the nhs to go pricontrolth waiting out it time for the nhs to go pricontrol doctors1g out it time for the nhs to go pricontrol doctors and out it time for the nhs to go pricontrol doctors and nurses of control doctors and nurses seemingly always on strike are. surely now it's time to shake up the nhs as ever. email me gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb news. so it's fast at. gb news. so it's fast approaching. eight minutes after 5:00 and it's now time for this week's difficult conversation. now, if you haven't seen it already, cafe chain costa coffee is facing a boycott calling for the use of the way they use the

trans mural on a company van. now the advert portrays a cartoon surfer drinking from a cup with two visible scars, indicating that they have had a double mastectomy . now, costa double mastectomy. now, costa says that the image celebrates inclusivity, but some activists think that the mural, which was created for pride last year , created for pride last year, promotes the surgery, which involves removal of breast tissue to generate a masculine chest contour . so what do you chest contour. so what do you think? i'm joined now by in the studio by transgender teacher and spectator columnist debbie hayton. thank you very hayton. debbie thank you very much joining me. hayton. debbie thank you very much joining me . okay. so much forjoining me. okay. so let's talk about this whole let's just talk about this whole thing that's going on, because now we have people like costa coffee actually showing images of and it was sort of like a cartoon character type thing. supposedly a young person with mastectomy scars almost promoting or celebrating this as part of pride. i mean, i want to get your thoughts on it. you're transgender. you've been through the whole process . where do you the whole process. where do you stand with that? well, yes ,

stand with that? well, yes, you're right. >> but i'm also teacher and >> but i'm also a teacher and i see a cartoon here of a young person depicted as a cartoon. and that is going to appeal to young people. and the message to young people. and the message to young to have healthy young people is to have healthy breasts removed something young people is to have healthy brecelebrateded something young people is to have healthy brecelebrated.d something be celebrated. >> and why do you think that these outlets, people like costa coffee and of course, in some respect, but light decided that they'd use somebody who's trans and did the same thing with and nike did the same thing with their though dylan their bras, even though dylan mulvaney, used as a man mulvaney, who they used as a man and have a chest. why do and didn't have a chest. why do you brands are doing you think these brands are doing this as well? >> beggars belief, doesn't it >> it beggars belief, doesn't it , you , really? because when you see what is, we saw the what the outcome is, we saw the bud fiasco where bud light fiasco where budweiser's sales have dropped significantly . this is not significantly. this is not something that's promoting the brand . it's damaging the brand. brand. it's damaging the brand. you think that they would realise that having seen what's happened to them and not do this , give me your take on this sort of creep into the mainstream of the whole trans ideology. well i think people want to be seen to be kind and a message has got a message has been created and a

pictures got painted, painted of trans people as being the most oppressed group in society . it's oppressed group in society. it's not true. but this this is what this is what's been created. and people want to be kind to this marginalised and victimised group . but we shouldn't be we group. but we shouldn't be we shouldn't be doing this to trans people . we should be saying, we people. we should be saying, we should be to people like people. we should be saying, we sho is! be to people like people. we should be saying, we sho is! be just to people like people. we should be saying, we sho is! be just let people like people. we should be saying, we sho is! be just let you ple like people. we should be saying, we sho is! be just let you get like people. we should be saying, we sho is! be just let you get one me is we'll just let you get on with your in the same way with your life in the same way that else get that everybody else can get on with lives. that's we with their lives. that's what we should with their lives. that's what we sho but what about the >> but what about all the teaching that teaching in schools now? so that children as young as seven now could potentially be taught about this trans ideology and the process of transitioning? so the process of transitioning? so the whole procedure is not necessarily necessarily the medical side of it, but it'll be taught to children as young as seven. but begs the question, why? >> why do children need to know this? why has this become such an important topic which dominates the news agenda? it dominates the news agenda? it dominates discussions in education, dominant schools at times, and it's just bizarre . times, and it's just bizarre. >> why are they doing it,

though? why is it i mean, if you were to put your finger on where is coming where this is it coming from? where is this coming , it's coming from, i >> well, it's coming from, i think, a desire to be kind by naive people who don't realise the damage of what they're doing. >> because i have been looking at i don't know whether you've read about this, transgender , read about this, a transgender, a girl called chloe cole . she's a girl called chloe cole. she's an american. she at the age of 16, i think it was , she had the 16, i think it was, she had the double mastectomy. so the thing that costa coffee promoting or celebrates in their literature or on their mural and they cut off healthy breasts and then she went on some hormone treatment as well . and this is because she as well. and this is because she was going through puberty by the age of sort of 18, 19. she sort of realised that she didn't want to do this , but by this time to do this, but by this time she had cut off, she had had the breast cut off, she had the they'd moved the scars. they'd actually moved the scars. they'd actually moved the nipples higher that the nipples higher so that they'd like position they'd be in like a position where would be. where a man's nipples would be. and obviously they're no longer functioning breasts as they would woman . she's would be as a woman. she's realised was just realised that that was just simply early puberty and she's

upset that the adults facility dated this because that's what it is. surely >> well it is. >> well it is. >> it's facilitating, facilitating an abuse. >> and chloe cole is not the only one in this country. she watson spoke out this week about her experience of having breasts removed at such a young age before she really knew what it meant to be an adult. before she really knew what it meant to be an adult . and meant to be an adult. and children make mistakes about all sorts of things. as adults , sorts of things. and as adults, we've got duty to not not to we've got a duty to not not to promote permanent, irreversible , damaging surgery. to them, it's to me it's so clear and so obvious that this is not the right way forward because i know how impressionable young people are. >> so say my, my, my six year old. if i was to start talking about him and confusing him about him and confusing him about gender, ideologies and stuff , i about gender, ideologies and stuff, i can about gender, ideologies and stuff , i can see that i about gender, ideologies and stuff, i can see that i could easily sort of his brain is very malleable . well, he's very open malleable. well, he's very open to suggestion . and if the wrong to suggestion. and if the wrong person got hold of that conversation with him, even if their agenda was supposed to be a kind one, i can see that he

would very easily be manipulated . id and if you manipulate someone for a long time, it's very to bring very difficult to bring them back. >> yeah, and at that age, children are learning the children are learning about the difference between the sexes and they the difference they do learn the difference about what girls tend to like and like, but and what boys tend to like, but that that isn't binary. that that that isn't a binary. that is something that overlaps. we can everything . but i can all enjoy everything. but i worry children who are worry that children who are perhaps gender non—conforming , perhaps gender non—conforming, to use that word, perhaps a bit unusual , cruel, perhaps unusual, cruel, perhaps different the men are being different from the men are being told that the reason for them being different is that they're the opposite sex. so a boy who doesn't like rough and tumble will. perhaps you're a girl or a girl who likes climbing trees or you're a boy. this this you're really a boy. this this is dreadful. the message is dreadful. and the message that this is the message that children getting in some places. and it's odd , really, because >> and it's odd, really, because we've surgery we've always said that surgery would never be the answer to things. >> so somebody says, feel >> so somebody says, oh, i feel too be like, the last too fat. you'd be like, the last thing you want do is surgery. thing you want to do is surgery. but trans, but for somebody who is trans, why the answer surgery? why is the answer surgery? i mean, you in your mean, for you in your experience, the answer

experience, was that the answer for you? >> well, not really. >> well, not really. >> but it it didn't it didn't solve my problems. didn't surgery . my solve my problems. didn't surgery. my problems solve my problems. didn't surgery . my problems were solved surgery. my problems were solved when i finally, finally accepted who i was and understood who i was, it wasn't surgery that did that. was, it wasn't surgery that did that . but i do was, it wasn't surgery that did that. but i do remember in the time running up to the surgery, the compulsion to have that surgery was just huge and overwhelming. it was almost as if the availability of the treatment drove my demand for it. and then i look at children , i look at young people and this is almost sold as a magic cure for all ills. it's an elixir . and cure for all ills. it's an elixir. and to say, cure for all ills. it's an elixir . and to say, well, cure for all ills. it's an elixir. and to say, well, this surgery will solve all your problems , i can understand how problems, i can understand how it drives that compulsion in children to have this surgery. and then when the surgery isn't available, as it isn't at the moment, where does that leave children? probably in a mental health catastrophe, because once you've got to the destination, i'm a i'm somebody like that. >> once i want this, i want this. i get there, i'm this. when i get there, i'm like, , then want like, oh, and then i want something see ? and i something else. yeah, see? and i don't that's don't know whether that's because grown

because i haven't grown up or whatever, i'm whatever, but that's why i'm single then whatever, but that's why i'm singlyit. then whatever, but that's why i'm singlyit. i'm then whatever, but that's why i'm singlyit. i'm like, then whatever, but that's why i'm singlyit. i'm like, wow then whatever, but that's why i'm singlyit. i'm like, wow , then whatever, but that's why i'm singlyit. i'm like, wow , quite hen i get it. i'm like, wow, quite like that. so do you not think that that's a bit of it as well? like there's a goal, there's a destination, and you get to the destination, and you get to the dest still on destination, and you get to the deststill me. i'm still the same. >> nothing's happened. well it is the whole, the whole process is the whole, the whole process is first all, you change the is first of all, you change the way then you change, way you dress, then you change, you grow your hair out. >> there's hormones and >> then there's hormones and then it's then the surgery. and it's a it's a process of all those individual goals. i'll take this off. i'll take this off, i'll take this off. and when i get to the we'll be i'll be the end, we'll be i'll be complete. and i wasn't. is it slightly addictive? >> the process, the chasing, the thing that say that you're thing that they say that you're going in your thing that they say that you're goingyou in your thing that they say that you're goingyou were in your thing that they say that you're goingyou were like, in your thing that they say that you're goingyou were like, i'veyour thing that they say that you're goingyou were like, i've got' thing that they say that you're goingyou were like, i've got to head you were like, i've got to do was that oh do that. i've got was that oh yeah, yeah. >> it as say, i've >> it was. as i say, i've described compulsion. described it as a compulsion. it's that that it's an addiction that just that grows you . grows on you. >> you've done it. >> and then now you've done it. are are happy did it are you are you happy you did it or do you have any regret in terms of. >> regrets. the >> i have regrets. the especially the impact it had on my was huge. also my family was huge. and also it's left it's left as as a family in a in an odd position .

family in a in an odd position. and for my children , for and for my children, for example, you know, all parents can be embarrassed in but some are more embarrassing than others , you know, we can others, you know, and we can laugh about that. but it's put them a in in difficult them in a in a in a difficult position . do i regret it ? it's position. do i regret it? it's hard to say. i i explained to people that if i knew in 2011 what i know now, i wouldn't have transitioned. but possibly i only know now what i do know because i transitioned . i had to because i transitioned. i had to learn the hard way as my grandmother would have said. >> so what would you say to those are saying that those who are saying that children as seven children as young as seven should be taught all the stuff about gender and that this about trans gender and that this is a fair enough age that they'll allow them to receive treatment. according to reports . so that is psychological help. i don't think there's any actual medical realisation of it in a sense, but psychological one clinical well, at least clinical help, well, at least they are putting in an edge. >> good , adds the tavistock >> good, adds the tavistock clinic didn't have an didn't have an edge under a lower age limit all. and i read some

limit at all. and i read some reports say that in 2011, reports to say that in 2011, 2012, 15, three and four year olds were referred well, these are kids. they can't tie their own shoelaces. is so. so where's that coming from? so at least there's a young a young, a young age . but on the other age limit. but on the other hand, why , why, why are these hand, why, why, why are these seven, eight, nine year olds being referred ? if it's simply being referred? if it's simply psychotherapy, then that can be provided through camhs. if camhs is properly funded, that is my worry. my concern is not so much for seven and eight. well, it is for seven and eight. well, it is for the seven eight year olds, but children of all ages, they're getting continued to get referred to this gender clinic. and then it's what comes next. what does this gender clinic mean? >> well , i mean? >> well, i could talk to you for ages on this. it's a subject that will continue to roll because there seems some because there seems to be some obsession and i don't obsession with it. and i don't know why these adults are pushing the children. pushing it on the children. that's it. debbie that's the way i see it. debbie hayton, much. hayton, thank you very much. it's talk to you. hayton, thank you very much. it's debbie talk to you. hayton, thank you very much. it's debbie hayton.to you. hayton, thank you very much. it's debbie hayton. she's. that's debbie hayton. she's a transgender also transgender teacher and also a spectator columnist. well, coming time for the coming up, it's time for the great british debate. this hour.

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last night. so a brighter start to the second half of the weekend for many. to the second half of the weekend for many . still to the second half of the weekend for many. still some outbreaks rain in the east as outbreaks of rain in the east as storm anthony makes a slow clearance to the east. elsewhere, though, a mixture of sunshine and showers throughout sunday. these could be heavy across northern ireland, scotland and northern england, too, where we could just see the odd isolated thunderstorm. but otherwise it's a much more pleasant, brighter and drier day on with those on sunday with those temperatures faring a little better, too . looking ahead to better, too. looking ahead to the new week, though, after another chilly on sunday another chilly night on sunday night brighter to night, a brighter start to monday , though, still with the monday, though, still with the odd shower around. and if we monday, though, still with the odd �*atywer around. and if we monday, though, still with the odd �*at the around. and if we monday, though, still with the odd �*at the restrnd. and if we monday, though, still with the odd �*at the rest of. and if we monday, though, still with the odd �*at the rest of the d if we monday, though, still with the odd �*at the rest of the week,3 look at the rest of the week, temperatures starting to climb, though, as towards though, as we get towards wednesday some drier wednesday with some drier and more conditions to come i >> -- >> that 5mm >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers as proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. of weather on. gb news. >> well, coming up, greenpeace's protest at the prime minister's home this week has led to an embarrassing backfire as the group becomes blacklisted by the

government. but up next, our great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, great british debate this hour. and i'm asking , is it time for and i'm asking, is it time for the to private

good afternoon. it's just coming up to 24 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua andifs people's channel. i'm nana akua and it's time now for a great british debate this hour. and i'm asking , is it time for the

i'm asking, is it time for the nhs to go private ? this week the nhs to go private? this week the government announced that it would be using private sector capacity to help reduce record high nhs waiting lists and with an astonishing 7.47 million people currently waiting for nhs treatment , people currently waiting for nhs treatment, health people currently waiting for nhs treatment , health secretary treatment, health secretary steve barclay announced that 13 new community diagnostic centres will be opened across england to carry out an additional 742,000 scans and checks a year, eight of which will be run by the private sector. although services will be to free patients. now this new partnership between the public and the private sector moves britain more line with health britain more in line with health care systems in countries such as australia, where private facilities are used to help the pubuc facilities are used to help the public cope with the health care system. and it's just the latest strategy being employed by rishi sunak to fulfil one of his five pledges of bringing down nhs waiting lists. however, the labour party has criticised the government for not making enough use of private sector capacity, saying that patients had have paid the price for this decision

not being made sooner. so for the great british debate this houh the great british debate this hour, asking is it time hour, i'm asking is it time for the just simply go the nhs to just simply go private? so to debate , i'm private? so to debate, i'm joined by julia taylor. psychiatric nurse matthew stadlen, political commentator , stadlen, political commentator, reem ibrahim, political commentator and michael sibbons. he's editor for the he's the data editor for the spectator. right i'm going to start with you. matthew stadlen is is it time? do we need to is it is it time? do we need to go now? is it is it time? do we need to go i now? is it is it time? do we need to go i think now? is it is it time? do we need to go i think we i? is it is it time? do we need to go i think we shouldn't be >> i think we shouldn't be ideological as far as ideological on this as far as supply is concerned. i mean, you try tell telling one of those 7.5 million people, which is nearly 1 in 8 of us, that for ideological reasons, they can't get their treatment or they're going to be pretty cross , aren't going to be pretty cross, aren't they? we should absolutely keep they? we should absolutely keep the nhs free at the point of delivery. that is a principle i think we should stick to as a country that precious. i country that is precious. what i think is interesting about this is that conservatives have is that the conservatives have been slow off the block been so slow off the block because have been calling because labour have been calling for more private resources for using more private resources is for quite some time. that's what wes streeting, the shadow health secretary, has been

saying. i think , are saying. so labour, i think, are ahead of game on this. the ahead of the game on this. the conservatives as we know, have been in form or been in power in one form or another years. the nhs is another for 13 years. the nhs is on its knees for a variety of reasons , but think the next reasons, but i think at the next election voters will hold them accountable. go to accountable. well, let's go to juua accountable. well, let's go to julia taylor. >> a psychiatric nurse. >> she's a psychiatric nurse. she works within the julia she works within the nhs. julia do think perhaps we do you think that perhaps we need kind of look at more of need to kind of look at more of a system of health care a private system of health care rather have before rather than what we have before i answer your question directly, i answer your question directly, i just need to say three things. >> then you'll understand my answer. in 1989, britain's biggest enterprise was brought out, and that was a report written by oliver letwin and john redwood , and that was john redwood, and that was basically explaining how to get the private by stealth. and the nhs private by stealth. and we seem to have followed that. then the community care act came out in 1990 and that introduced an internal market into the supply of health care. now you've 33 years later, the community care that we have in this country is in dire straits . you've got carers working on minimum wage , so they're not

minimum wage, so they're not attracted to the job. a lot of them have left. now there's a lot of beds closing in care homes because of this. then you've got 10,000 people in hospital and blocking hospital blocking and blocking the that could be out, but the beds that could be out, but they're not out because the internal market is not providing the care. then i would you the care. then i would ask you to look at the private water companies and the transport, look the investment, which is look at the investment, which is zero. literally, they're all greedy. so how we're going to get a good supply of water, how are we going to get good transport, look at the price of train tickets and the last thing i want to see is 10% of our taxes goes to the nhs. so if it did go private and we got 10% less tax to pay, then okay, then i'd pay for it. my own private health care. so the answer to your question for all that is no. >> no. you don't think it should. let's go to abraham. you're shaking your head in the middle of that . middle of that. >> yeah, i think those previous comments particularly comments were particularly interesting, that interesting, this idea that privatise already privatise we've already privatised the nhs, or there's

somehow privatisation by stealth of the nhs. these claims are totally ludicrous. it's not happened. we've had internal markets. the story that we're talking about today is effectively the outsourcing by government and the nhs is still owned by the government , it's owned by the government, it's still owned by the state. we also spend just below £200 billion a year on the nhs. also spend just below £200 billion a year on the nhs . now i billion a year on the nhs. now i think it's really important that we honest conversations think it's really important that we h(thet conversations think it's really important that we h(the nhsversations think it's really important that we h(the nhs isrsations think it's really important that we h(the nhs is not ons about why the nhs is not working. we don't have market mechanisms, we don't have choice as patients . we also don't have as patients. we also don't have competition. you don't get competition. so you don't get that kind of choice go to that kind of choice to go to other say other doctors. i would say actually this is something my colleague, christian spoke colleague, dr. christian spoke aboutin colleague, dr. christian spoke about in universal health care, without the nhs as a paper written in 2016, he said that actually if we look at countries like singapore , like germany, like singapore, like germany, sweden, denmark , those countries sweden, denmark, those countries that do have public and private partnerships that do cost the taxpayer less and actually allow for that health care to be more efficient . efficient. >> well, it does because >> well, it does seem because i think my national insurance is way any private way more than any private medical would ever

medical cover that i would ever likely michael likely to pay. michael >> , i think we need to >> well well, i think we need to completely reframe the debate, because the problem with , you because the problem with, you know, our of british know, our sort of british religious worship of the nhs is that we just divide into two camps. and if anyone says privatisation, you assume we're going to end up like america . going to end up like america. and but equally on the other side , there's people that think, side, there's people that think, oh, nhs as it is terrible. oh, the nhs as it is terrible. but actually in between the british sort of extreme and the american we've got all american extreme, we've got all different funding mechanism . as different funding mechanism. as you mentioned, some examples from australia . there's examples from australia. there's examples across where you know, across europe where you know, it's a compulsory sort of insurance system, but it's not necessarily for profit. so we need to take this debate wider because clearly the nhs need reforms. you know, it just objectively performs terribly and it need reform , but it's not and it need reform, but it's not necessarily black and white. is it privatised? is it the nhs ? it privatised? is it the nhs? >> well, matthew, what do you think ? think? >> t- think? >> quick points. i know >> just two quick points. i know we're time. we we're short of time. we desperately need more people working is working in our nhs is chronically under staffed and

that you could argue , is because that you could argue, is because of brexit. you could argue it's because of different reasons. what we need from the home secretary suella braverman is we desperately need more people working in our health care system. that's the first point. the second point the second point sorry. point is very sorry. >> brexit is not the >> matthew. brexit is not the reason the has reason why the nhs has been well, course of it well, of course it's part of it because people home. well, of course it's part of it beclots people home. well, of course it's part of it beclots peeuropean home. went >> lots of european people went home. fill those home. we need to fill those spaces home. we need to fill those spalas home. we need to fill those spai would that . can i just >> i would say that. can i just make second which make the second point, which is i would just say the problem with that is that we haven't been teaching our with that is that we haven't beerpeople teaching our with that is that we haven't beerpeople country1g our own people in this country because relying on because we've been relying on actual may say that's actual you may may say that's the that's the problem . the that's the problem. >> but if had educated people >> but if we had educated people quickly enough, we might be in a different place. but we weren't expecting brexit just the expecting to. brexit just the second really second point is really important. should important. people should remember thinks that important. people should re shouldn't thinks that important. people should re shouldn't be thinks that important. people should re shouldn't be free thinks that important. people should re shouldn't be free trthe; that it shouldn't be free at the point delivery, point of delivery, just how expensive your care expensive give your health care could be. i interviewed chris bryant, sir chris bryant, the labour mp, the other for my labour mp, the other day for my podcast. he was podcast. he got melanoma. he was given 40% chance of surviving given a 40% chance of surviving the year and then a new drug came in on the nhs. his own treatment for that. and it would

have for me anyone have been for me or anyone else, not mp. not just because he's an mp. £110,000. didn't have to pay £110,000. he didn't have to pay a penny. it was on the nhs . i a penny. it was on the nhs. i believe in the nhs. otherwise you're going to get a big bill. >> lucky >> he's lucky. he's lucky he got an who can we go to an appointment. who can we go to next? who wants say next? who wants to say something? julie, do you want to quickly? something? julie, do you want to quou y? this up some of if you can wrap this up some of if you can wrap this up some of i don't agree that anything to do with brexit, we need to train the people in our own country because instead of paying cheap labouh because instead of paying cheap labour, that's part of the reason why the carers, most of the carers are from somewhere else in the care homes and it's just it's so sad to think that we've got to that when there's so many people in this country. >> why do we always say people room ? room? >> i don't i don't think that the problem is that we're importing cheap labour. the problem is that system is problem is that the system is broken . it's an institutional broken. it's an institutional problem. need to be hiring problem. we do need to be hiring better and doctors better doctors and more doctors and nurses. and way that we and nurses. and the way that we do we reform the system do that is we reform the system and them paid and allow them to be paid more. there why british there are reasons why british doctors are going in their

droves to australia. it's a better system . people paid droves to australia. it's a bette|andtem . people paid droves to australia. it's a bette|and they'reaople paid droves to australia. it's a bette|and they're actually paid droves to australia. it's a bette|and they're actually valued more and they're actually valued for their work. >> well, they're paid >> yeah, well, they're paid better because they're not spending diversity spending a fortune on diversity and very and inclusion. thank you very much. psychiatric and inclusion. thank you very much.matthew psychiatric and inclusion. thank you very much. matthew stadlen,hiatric and inclusion. thank you very much.matthew stadlen, political nurse matthew stadlen, political commentator. michael commentator. ibrahim michael simmons, as well as data editor at spectator . thank you very simmons, as well as data editor at forectator . thank you very simmons, as well as data editor at for your or . thank you very simmons, as well as data editor at for your thoughts( you very simmons, as well as data editor at for your thoughts .you very simmons, as well as data editor at for your thoughts . well,ary much for your thoughts. well, what yours? get in touch. gb much for your thoughts. well, what out'ours? get in touch. gb much for your thoughts. well, what out cbnnews.com,yuch. gb much for your thoughts. well, what out cbnnews.com, you're b views out cbnnews.com, you're with . i'm nana akua. this is with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. we'll continue with the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, is it time nhs private? time for the nhs to go private? you'll hear the thoughts my you'll hear the thoughts of my panel you'll hear the thoughts of my panel. lizzie cundy and also benjamin butterworth. but first, let's latest news let's get your latest news headunes. headlines. >> thank you very much. nana. morley—smith in the gp newsroom. the met office is warning of possible danger to life as storm anthony batters parts of the uk . they've issued an amber warning for south western parts of england and wales. that runs until 7:00 this evening. strong

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>> good afternoon. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. we are live on tv, online and on digital radio. it's just coming up to 39 minutes after 5:00. now, let's get back to our great british debate this hour. and i'm asking is it time for the nhs go private ? the nhs to go private? the government announced it government has announced that it will private sector will be using private sector capacity reduce nhs capacity to help reduce nhs waiting lists. but with the 7.47

million list and people still waiting and obviously that's been increasing because of the strikes , health secretary steve strikes, health secretary steve barclay announced that 13 new community diagnostic centres will be opened across england , will be opened across england, eight of which will be run by the private sector. now this partnership between public and private moves britain more in line with health care systems in countries such as australia, where often comparing where people are often comparing us with and saying how much better there than better they get paid there than here were. private facilities are used to help public health care systems cope better, and as rishi sunak has pushed forward with this latest attempt to fulfil his pledge of bringing down nhs waiting lists, but the labour party , as ever, has said labour party, as ever, has said that patients have paid the price for the government not making better use of private health care facilities. but to be fair , tony blair started all be fair, tony blair started all this nonsense . so for the great this nonsense. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking nhs to asking is it time for the nhs to go let's see what my go private? let's see what my panel make of that. joined go private? let's see what my pa|broadcaster that. joined go private? let's see what my pa|broadcaster and. joined go private? let's see what my pa|broadcaster and columnistd by broadcaster and columnist lizzie , also broadcast lizzie cundy, also broadcast journalist butterworth.

journalist benjamin butterworth. right. lizzie cundy , i'm going right. lizzie cundy, i'm going to start with you. is time to start with you. is it time that have proper rethink? that we have a proper rethink? i'm of hearing i'm sick and tired of hearing people , oh, australia pays people say, oh, australia pays so better and this and so much better and this and that. yet because it's mostly private. yeah i think it is. >> well, look, it's the nhs needs to be reformed. it's a critical requirement. it is in a shambolic mess. and the thing is we've got to be, you know, people are mps are so scared about talking or criticising the nhs, it's like they use it as a political football. and the fact is it's not a shrine, it's a service. and we've literally we need a total reboot . it's the need a total reboot. it's the backlogs disorganise mismanaged 1 million going on. on diversity managers and rainbow cakes and all the rest of it. i mean, 180 billion a year. this year was put into the nhs and you know, we've got to take a look at our european neighbours, you know , european neighbours, you know, if we have cancer here and we've got less chance of surviving ,

got less chance of surviving, whereas in france you've got, you know, you'd rather have canceh you know, you'd rather have cancer. in france we need to look at doing things very differently and look at the differently and look at how the french their french do it. they have their they, they their insurance they, they have their insurance and they pay up and then and they pay up front and then you can have it kind of taken back money depending on what your earnings are. but people pay your earnings are. but people pay the bbc and everything else like that. >> so i don't see why they shouldn't pay something for the health exactly. health care. yeah exactly. >> people lot for >> i mean, people pay a lot for their right? >> i mean, people pay a lot for the through right? >> i mean, people pay a lot for the through the right? >> i mean, people pay a lot for the through the national >> through the national insurance, national insurance, through the national insurance, through the national insurance taxation . insurance and wider taxation. >> and you i don't want us >> and you know, i don't want us to down privatised model . to go down a privatised model. why? because we pay about 12% of gdp on health care costs. the us spends about 18. so that would be a massive increase. and for a lot of people it wouldn't be a cheaper option. >> now i think there's a lot more people in america than there are in this. >> it's a percentage, >> i mean, it's a percentage, right? have right? but actually, you have a situation sorry talk over situation sorry to talk over you, have a situation in you, but you have a situation in america where you still have lots people get woefully lots of people who get woefully inadequate health care . inadequate health care. >> they don't health care >> they don't access health care for various and i think

for various reasons. and i think you would rue the where you would rue the day where people in this country either because they're financially insecure or because they fear that they would be a burden, because there's an individual cost to each appointment, for cost to each gp appointment, for example . i think that would be example. i think that would be counterproductive . example. i think that would be couwell,'oductive . example. i think that would be couwell, chances . be a fine >> well, chance would be a fine thing appointment, >> well, chance would be a fine thi honest. appointment, >> well, chance would be a fine thi honest. mean, pointment, >> well, chance would be a fine thi honest. mean, look,nent, be honest. i mean, look, i'd rather where when rather a system where when you're actually rather a system where when you'ryou actually rather a system where when you'ryou . actually rather a system where when you'ryou . i'm actually rather a system where when you'ryou . i'm sickctually rather a system where when you'ryou . i'm sick and.ly rather a system where when you'ryou . i'm sick and tired of treat you. i'm sick and tired of paying treat you. i'm sick and tired of paying massive national insurance at insurance contributions when at the end the day i can't the end of the day i can't actually appointment. and actually get an appointment. and then private medical then i also pay private medical coveh i then i also pay private medical cover. i think that what cover. so i think that what i would should would say is perhaps we should reduce insurance to reduce national insurance to literally third what is literally a third of what it is and when you're up to 18, it's free. and then after that, you you to be paying into an you have to be paying into an insurance system . insurance system. >> but for actual person in >> but for the actual person in the would the middle of it, they would probably more money. probably be paying more money. it a more expensive be it would be a more expensive be a greater taxation for about £3,000 per head per person for the at the moment in the way the nhs at the moment in the way we are currently paying it, which average it out, which is if you average it out, that's it costs each that's how much it costs each individual. >> some figures >> well, that was some figures a couple i don't couple of years ago. i don't know. that may changed, know. that may have changed, but it's that cheaper it's roughly that that's cheaper

than cover ever paid. >> i mean, 180 billion this year going nhs you want going into the nhs and you want an effective service. we're not getting that at all. and you know, there was a today being said there's 2000 excess deaths are week that you know if you i just think it's just a shambolic mess people can't get appointments it's easier to get an appointment with the pope than it is to get appointment than it is to get an appointment with at the minute. with your doctor at the minute. and it really is shambolic. so you could, you know, people should, you know, if they need to go pay for it. >> you know, the other week i went to friend's birthday and went to a friend's birthday and he's said, i can't he's a gp and i said, i can't believe doctor believe i've seen a doctor in real is. this is such real life this is. this is such a surprise. yeah but look, you know, a know, there is actually a massive elephant in the room that in these that isn't talked about in these conversations. that that isn't talked about in these convemoney;. that that isn't talked about in these convemoney is that that isn't talked about in these convemoney is going thathe nhs more money is going into the nhs , getting much worse , but we're getting a much worse system significant system. we have a significant change in the demographics of this country . we have never had this country. we have never had such a large percentage of the population be of an age where they have far more ailments, pensioners and because people

are living for longer now , are living for longer now, people get multiple serious problems . by people get multiple serious problems. by the time people get multiple serious problems . by the time they pass, problems. by the time they pass, it may be whereas generation it may be 85, whereas generation one, two generations ago they'd get one thing i, i know i'm not buying that because listen. get one thing i, i know i'm not bunellhat because listen. get one thing i, i know i'm not bunell you3ecause listen. get one thing i, i know i'm not bunell you can't.e listen. get one thing i, i know i'm not bunell you can't.e lis no . get one thing i, i know i'm not bunell you can't.e lisno , i'm >> well you can't. no, no, i'm not no, i'm not buying. >> don't think that pensioner buying. >:areion't think that pensioner buying. >:are holding1k that pensioner buying. >:are holding up:hat pensioner buying. >:are holding up:hat nhs.oner is are holding up the nhs. >> i'm >> no, no, listen, i think i'm not that. the reason not buying that. and the reason why is because that same hospital across the hospital in a wing across the corner, like corner, which will be like a private could you private wing, could treat you tomorrow but you to tomorrow. but if you want to wait the you'll be wait in the queue, you'll be waiting forever. so basically you say , we you go there. they say, no, we can't you go there. they say, no, we cant then you go there. they say, no, we can't then say, can't treat you. then you say, well, pay well, how about but if you pay this, done this, you can get it done tomorrow. i think that's the problem here. might you problem here. there might be you might bottom might say that, but the bottom line capacity. line is they have the capacity. they're it. the they're not using it. the private in the nhs private wards in the nhs hospitals empty because they hospitals are empty because they want you to pay for it and they didn't use it through covid. >> the on >> and look at the knock on effect from covid. i mean, i've sadly lost friend. sarah sadly lost a friend. sarah harding, the singer from cancer, because she she didn't get looked at at all and didn't get her treatment as well as james. >> well, as you let's find out what think, because what the viewers think, because this them. this shows nothing without them. let's welcome them on great british they're

british voices. they're on opportunity they british voices. they're on opporabout they british voices. they're on opporabout the they british voices. they're on opporabout the topics they british voices. they're on opporabout the topics that they think about the topics that we're got four we're discussing. i've got four of them. i'm going to start with jonathan he's jonathan jones in cornwall. he's bound of tea. bound to have a cup of tea. jonathan jones , you're in. he's jonathan jones, you're in. he's in the darkness. we can see. yeah, that's jonathan what yeah, that's it. jonathan what do you think? is it time that it's it needs to be it's sort of it needs to be private? what are your thoughts ? >> & needs es-ma & needs be more choice >> there needs to be more choice now, and agree now, doesn't it? and i agree with needs be more with lizzie needs to be more value for money and i think with lizzie needs to be more valof for money and i think with lizzie needs to be more valof people my and i think with lizzie needs to be more valof people need|d i think with lizzie needs to be more valof people need toi think with lizzie needs to be more valof people need to make lot of people need to make better choices. speak to better choices. if you speak to doctors , the whole system is doctors, the whole system is creaking groaning because creaking and groaning because too go there when too many people go there when they shouldn't. stay they shouldn't. they should stay at drink more tea, be at home, drink more tea, be healthy after healthy and look after themselves a bit more. >> and i reckon if they're invested themselves as well, invested in themselves as well, like you pay for something, like if you pay for something, you take more seriously. if you take it more seriously. if you take it more seriously. if you just think, you don't, then you just think, ah, do it another ah, well i'll just do it another time. in ah, well i'll just do it another time. albans, in ah, well i'll just do it another time. albans, your in ah, well i'll just do it another time. albans, your thoughts in ah, well i'll just do it another time. albans, your thoughts ?n saint albans, your thoughts? >> very sorry to see >> i would be very sorry to see it go all private, but think if you're a working age and you're working nine times out of ten, you're paying £10 for your prescription . if you like the prescription. if you like the doctor said, if you want to get something rather than wait, if you can it , you

something rather than wait, if you can it, you end up you can afford it, you end up paying you can afford it, you end up paying i'm paying for so paying out. i'm paying for so many things myself . i feel what many things myself. i feel what would to people who would happen to the people who can't insurance when can't afford insurance when think don't know much about the australian system, but the american seems dire. american system seems dire. >> you really , you know, go >> you really, you know, go without. i mean, certainly i lost my husband to cancer three years ago and i don't know what i would have done without the nhs and the treatment he received. even in covid times, he got his treatments, although he got his treatments, although he never got results and he never got the results and lost him. >> but um, yeah. lost him. >> but um, yeah . thank you. >> but um, yeah. thank you. >> but um, yeah. thank you. >> i would hate to see it go, but i don't know what would replace it. >> and unfortunately, we the other room, other elephant in the room, there's it there's a lot of people, it seems to be the people who do not pay much in are getting not pay so much in are getting the out as the people who the same out as the people who pay the same out as the people who pay lots in. >> so yeah, getting the same and possibly more. let's go to david barman in where are you david you're not in kent you're in watford and you were doing in kent. >> no, not in kent. i'm in watford. yeah. i always have been. >> yeah. go on, david. what do

you think you got about 30s ? you think you got about 30s? >> you alluded to it . >> you alluded to it. >> you alluded to it. >> blair brown bought in the private public partnership . keir private public partnership. keir starmer and labour have been decrying that she'd never be private, public and now they want private public. >> we should all, as we start working , we should be working, we should be contributing to an insurance policy that covers our our costs so that when you're older and not working, that is then free for you to use . for you to use. >> it's called oh, yes, it's called a stamp duty stamp. >> it's called the national insurance anyway. >> yeah , but it's called the >> yeah, but it's called the national insurance. >> but but david. but david, it's so badly managed that even though paid a load in, though you've paid a load in, you lucky to get you just be lucky to get anything because be anything out because you'd be lucky anybody. lucky to see anybody. and i've got i've got to move on because i've got to alan mcnealy in to get alan in. alan mcnealy in grimsby. hello nana. >> i don't mind whether it's private or it's the nhs, i think what's important is that the two work more closely together . at work more closely together. at the end of the day, what people needis the end of the day, what people need is good health care, free at the point of delivery. what

system that comes under. i don't really have a come down one way or the other. the problem with the nhs, as you know is the nhs, as you know now, is it's incredibly badly managed. >> blames the >> everyone blames the government for the nhs, but who runs the nhs ? runs the nhs? >> it's all these managers who don't know who run. >> you can't get it. >> you can't get it. >> you can't get it. >> you can't get an answer for anybody in there. it's just so many ccgs and csis anybody in there. it's just so manwhatever. ccgs and csis anybody in there. it's just so manwhatever. listen and csis anybody in there. it's just so manwhatever. listen thank sis anybody in there. it's just so manwhatever. listen thank you and whatever. listen thank you very much for your thoughts. sorry, i couldn't give sorry, david, i couldn't give you more david in you more there. david in watford. cornwall. you more there. david in watfor in cornwall. you more there. david in watforin albansornwall. you more there. david in watforin albans and all. you more there. david in watforin albans and alan you more there. david in wigrimsby. albans and alan you more there. david in wigrimsby. alb.to; and alan you more there. david in wigrimsby. alb.to seei alan you more there. david in wigrimsby. alb.to see younn in grimsby. lovely to see you. thank you, right, well, thank you, guys. right, well, that's great voices. that's our great british voices. that's keep that's their thoughts. keep yours coming. but this is something caught my eye and something that caught my eye and it people's eye. it caught most people's eye. actually environmental group greenpeace, the greenpeace, who made the headunes greenpeace, who made the headlines this by scaling headlines this week by scaling rishi sunak constituency home in richmond , north yorkshire. then richmond, north yorkshire. then they black cloth they draped it with black cloth in protest the decision to in protest at the decision to grant over 100 new oil and gas licences . although you ask licences. although you ask yourself even travelled yourself how they even travelled to what what they to the house and what what they think their clothes made out think their clothes are made out of plastics and the of and the plastics and the actual they draped on actual cloth that they draped on the whether there's the building. whether there's any fossil fuels involved in

that, is . that, they'll find there is. greenpeace has defended its actions neither the actions by saying neither the prime the family prime minister nor the family were house at the time. were in the house at the time. but they go too far? let's but did they go too far? let's discuss with panel. discuss that with my panel. benjamin butterworth, did they go ? go too far? >> i actually don't think they did thing to >> i actually don't think they did prime thing to >> i actually don't think they did prime minister's to >> i actually don't think they did prime minister's house to the prime minister's house because , you know, i saw ben leo because, you know, i saw ben leo from wootton show, went because, you know, i saw ben leo fro greenpeace'sootton show, went because, you know, i saw ben leo fro greenpeace's offices. how, went because, you know, i saw ben leo fro greenpeace's offices. you went to greenpeace's offices. you know, if someone goes and turns up at their private homes, i've got feeling they'll got a feeling that they'll be different. reason different. but the reason i don't they are don't is because they are absolutely about absolutely right about what they're saying trying get they're saying and trying to get this agenda. but this on the news agenda. but i fear that when you see these new drilling licences being put forward by the government, that the government is using some of these people all using unpopular techniques to get the country against being environmental and to use it as an excuse to hold them thing. >> but nobody told them to do that. >> a greenpeace get my words out. greenpeace. i think, should only be blacklist, but they should be prosecuted . what they should be prosecuted. what they did was wrong . it's disgraceful did was wrong. it's disgraceful andifs did was wrong. it's disgraceful and it's illegal. >> and i mean so is killing the

planet. lizzie i think i'm more bothered. >> more bothered about >> i'm more bothered about endangenng >> i'm more bothered about endangering the security of the planet than sunak country. >> listen, benjamin , they drove >> listen, benjamin, they drove greenpeace so . greenpeace so. >> us to have >> so greenpeace want us to have no and everyone have heat no cars and everyone have heat pumps. i mean, we're going pumps. yeah i mean, we're going towards net zero. benjamin so . towards net zero. benjamin so. so how much more do they want? and doing these just mad protests like just stop oil they've suddenly become trying to be like them. and it just has the wrong everyone loses sympathy everybody. it really is wrong. and i've lost rishi. >> i've lost. »- >> i've lost. >> the only good thing that this is aware is that rishi's is made aware is that rishi's security is absolute horrendous. >> it's terrible. >> it's terrible. >> rishi sunak. crikey right. let's do it. the quick fire quiz. of the let's do it. the quick fire quiz. where of the let's do it. the quick fire quiz. where i of the let's do it. the quick fire quiz. where i test of the let's do it. the quick fire quiz. where i test myyf the let's do it. the quick fire quiz. where i test my panel on show where i test my panel on some of the other stories hitting headlines hitting the headlines right now, joined lizzie, joined by lizzie cundy. lizzie, your and your buzzer, please. and benjamin , your benjamin butterworth, your buzzer, please. and of course, please play along home. please play along at home. we'd love thoughts . right. love your thoughts. right. question love your thoughts. right. que duchess of york, has been the duchess of york, has been recovering breast cancer recovering from breast cancer and an operation in early june. she told the telegraph this week that she had named her

reconstructed breast. what was it, jack, derrick or winston ? i it, jack, derrick or winston? i think that was the second i'm going for be derek. be derek, she said, what do you think? you're going to have guess. she said, what do you think? youwinston. to have guess. >> winston. >> winston. winston >> winston. winston it's actually derek she was right . actually derek b she was right. well done, you go. it's well done, lizzie. you go. it's a or question toy a true or false question to toy company . mattel is hiring company. mattel is hiring a chief uno player for nearly £3,500 a week for four weeks. true or false ? lizzie cundy true true or false? lizzie cundy true , you say it's true. benjamin butterworth true . benjamin butterworth true. benjamin thinks it's true as well. let's have a look and see what the answer is. it's true. unfortunately, benjamin, are unfortunately, benjamin, you are too in too late. you've got to get in there know. too late. you've got to get in the quicker, quicker. question >> quicker, quicker. question three which retail store is said to be on brink of collapse to be on the brink of collapse this it wilko? this week? is it a wilko? no, but know, can we have a wide but you know, can we have a wide shot ? we have a wide shot. we shot? we have a wide shot. we get wide shot explain . can we get wide shot to explain. can we get wide shot to explain. can we get a wide shot, please, so i can explain to benjamin, because i so don't the i like to. so don't press the buzzer the buzzer until i finish the question then. i'm sorry, nana. yeah the answer is wilko. well done. yeah the answer is wilko. well done . nothing for you, benjamin. done. nothing for you, benjamin. right question four a danish man

has finally returned home after going on a journey to visit every country in the world without taking a single flight . without taking a single flight. but how many years did his journey take closest answer wins. press your buzzer to answer . wins. press your buzzer to answer. benjamin ten and lizzie cundy, 15. >> in 15. the answer is ten. >> benjamin spot on. >> benjamin spot on. >> well done. i read the news finally. >> oh , what's mckesson? >> oh, what's mckesson? >> oh, what's mckesson? >> you knew the answer. i knew the answer. >> very good. >> very good. >> done. >> well done. >> well done. >> final question? >> and your final question? question five. did you get that right very good. the right at home? very good. the secretary for work and pensions has that over 50s come has suggested that over 50s come out retirement and work at out of retirement and work at what what a actors b ice what as what a actors b ice cream salespeople or c, delivery drivers . drivers. >> oh, that wasn't after she'd finished . that wasn't. it was on finished. that wasn't. it was on the button. >> no, it wasn't. i'm sorry. lizzie. >> benjamin it's c benjamin. delivery drivers . delivery drivers. >> i gave it to him. >> i gave it to him. >> benjamin because he couldn't win delivery. >> he couldn't win anyway. you've points. you've got three points. >> there's. mum saying, >> there's. my mum is 88 saying, can i do delivery? >> it . >> i could do it. >> delivery. >> delivery. >> would you do delivery ?

>> would you do delivery? >> would you do delivery? >> well, of course i would. yeah i'm pretty fast, but i'm not over 50. >> oh, yeah, sorry . >> oh, yeah, sorry. >> oh, yeah, sorry. >> sorry. why are you. why are you laughing ? you laughing? >> benjamin? >> benjamin? >> there you. and you're not quite there yet. we're double your age. >> no, but think they have an >> no, but i think they have an exhausting job. know. really exhausting job. i know. i really do they're all day and do think they're all day and they see at your door for they see you at your door for 30s collect bit 30s as you collect your bit of food. think . you know, i food. i think. you know, i really sorry for of really feel sorry for a lot of them. think they're them. i don't think they're treated well. them. i don't think they're treeled well. them. i don't think they're treel mean, well. them. i don't think they're treel mean, inell. them. i don't think they're treel mean, ijust them. i don't think they're treel mean, i just think is >> i mean, i just think this is a disaster. why say a disaster. i mean, why say that? we've got the that? i mean, god, we've got the great american dream. this is like disaster, like the big british disaster, isn't nightmare. like the big british disaster, isn'firstlyiightmare. like the big british disaster, isn'firstly recommending >> firstly recommending that, though, my exes, though though, one of my exes, though he deliveroo now, he just though, one of my exes, though he oh, )eliveroo now, he just though, one of my exes, though he oh, well, �*oo now, he just though, one of my exes, though he oh, well, io now, he just though, one of my exes, though he oh, well, i might he just though, one of my exes, though he oh, well, i might as just though, one of my exes, though he oh, well, i might as well says, oh, well, i might as well just that. he's very he says, oh, well, i might as well justa that. he's very he says, oh, well, i might as well justa lot1at. he's very he says, oh, well, i might as well justa lot of. he's very he says, oh, well, i might as well justa lot of cycling.ery he did a lot of cycling. >> yeah, i did have friend >> yeah, i did have a friend who did during the did a lot of cycling during the dunng did a lot of cycling during the during did shifts. is it >> they did some shifts. is it because wanted to get >> they did some shifts. is it bec and wanted to get >> they did some shifts. is it bec and get wanted to get >> they did some shifts. is it bec and get some wanted to get >> they did some shifts. is it bec and get some exercise?» get out and get some exercise? >> to go to a lot of >> i used to go to a lot of cycling races together. >> expensive >> he had the most expensive bike and everyone go, whoa, whoa! come whoa! but then he'd always come second . i'm only second from last. i'm only joking . oh, god, he might be joking. oh, god, he might be listening . right? well, on listening. right? well, on today's show, we've been asking

you, do you believe the bbc is anti british? according to our twitter poll, 51% of you say yes. 9% of you say no. thank you so much to my panel, broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy. lizzie cundy, thank you very much. you. also, much. thank you. also, broadcaster and journalist benjamin be broadcaster and journalist benjiforn be broadcaster and journalist benjifor the be broadcaster and journalist benjifor the saturday be broadcaster and journalist benjifor the saturday five be broadcaster and journalist benjifor the saturday five and)e back for the saturday five and a huge thank you to you at home for company. i be back for your company. i will be back tomorrow sure tomorrow at three. make sure you join leave join me. but first, i'll leave you with the weather. have a fabulous weekend . i look forward fabulous weekend. i look forward to tomorrow. not to seeing you tomorrow. do not miss show. we've got miss tomorrow's show. we've got some clever mystery guest . some very clever mystery guest. the temperatures rising, boxt solar, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> good afternoon . my name is >> good afternoon. my name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast brought to you by the met office. while storm anthony is still crossing the uk through this afternoon and this is going to bring further heavy rain and strong winds, those strongest winds will still be across southern parts of wales and southwest england where there

are warnings in are still weather warnings in force. but as go through this force. but as we go through this evening, those winds will slowly start to ease, still seeing some heavy showers and thunderstorms across south—east as storm across the south—east as storm anthony pulls away to the east, bringing some breezy conditions and further outbreaks of rain into early hours of sunday into the early hours of sunday here. elsewhere, though, winds becoming light and generally dneh becoming light and generally drier, so temperatures drier, too. so temperatures dropping a bit more dropping a little bit more readily tonight than what we saw last so a brighter start last night. so a brighter start to the second half of the weekend for many. still some outbreaks of rain in the east as storm anthony makes a slow clearance to the east. elsewhere, though, a mixture of sunshine and showers throughout sunday. these could be heavy across northern ireland, scotland and northern england, too, where we could just see the odd isolated thunderstorm . but odd isolated thunderstorm. but otherwise it's a much more pleasant , brighter otherwise it's a much more pleasant, brighter and day pleasant, brighter and drier day on sunday with those temperatures faring a little better, too. looking ahead to temperatures faring a little bettnew3o. looking ahead to temperatures faring a little bettnew week, king ahead to temperatures faring a little bettnew week, though ead to temperatures faring a little bettnew week, though ,ad to temperatures faring a little bettnew week, though , after the new week, though, after another on sunday another chilly night on sunday night, a brighter start to monday , though, still with the monday, though, still with the odd shower around. if we

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