i >> -- >> and 5mm >> and what about you, michael? >> and what about you, michael? >> well, i think it's a ridiculous proposition. >> i think there's more religious and freedom of conscience i mean , i conscience than ever. i mean, i remember when there was remember a time when there was significant between significant bigotry between catholics and protestants in northern ireland and in scotland, there was scotland, and there was significant anti—semitism . significant anti—semitism. >> but before all of that, it's the news with rory smith . thank the news with rory smith. thank you very much, emma. >> the met office is warning of a possible danger to life as storm anthony batters parts of the uk. a yellow warning for unseasonably windy weather is in place for southern parts of the uk. that runs until 8:00 tonight. a yellow thunder storm warning is in place until 10:00 for the south—east of england and east anglia will. meanwhile, and east anglia will. meanwhile, a number of people have been evacuated from their homes in nonh evacuated from their homes in north yorkshire . that's due to north yorkshire. that's due to flooding where the journalist nathan wroe explains the conditions. >> wind speeds of this storm,

storm anthony are expected to be around 75 mile per hour gusts on the coasts and 55mph inland. it's not the strongest storm that we've seen, but because of the time of year, the leaves, the time of year, the leaves, the trees are all in full leaf andifs the trees are all in full leaf and it's holiday season. the schools are off. and where it's going to be hitting the impact of this storm hitting today is likely to be greater than had the same sort of thing happened later the year . later in the year. >> two french police officers have been injured in clashes with migrants near calais. around 60 people threw rocks and other missiles as officers tried to stop people smugglers launching a small boat. gb news can reveal that 15,100 migrants have crossed the english channel in small boats. that's since the start of the year and down more than 2500 on the same period last year. pakistan's former prime minister imran khan's party is calling for peaceful

protests after a court sentenced him to three years in prison for illegally selling state gifts. but several of his supporters were arrested by police this evening. khan was convicted of misusing his 2018 to 2022 premiership to buy and sell items that were in state possession . he has always denied possession. he has always denied any wrongdoing . prosecutors in any wrongdoing. prosecutors in the us have asked a judge to limit what donald trump can say publicly about a criminal case against him. the warn that mr trump may be seeking to use evidence to target witnesses after he posted a message to social media that said, if you go after me, i'm coming after you . the former us president you. the former us president says he's being targeted for political reasons. thousands of trees are to be planted to mark the king's coronation. earlier this year. the £2.5 million initiative funded by the government that celebrates king charles's passion for nature, will the government says it will

help to meet its targets to treble tree planting rates by the next election. but campaign group friends of the earth says it's only a fraction of what ministers need to do to meet those targets . this is gb news those targets. this is gb news across the uk and tv in your car , on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now though, back to emma . news. now though, back to emma. >> it can be hard being a christian in modern britain. week after week on this show, we see cases of christians compelled to speak against their consciences , consciences or consciences, consciences or censored for expressing their faith . we've seen a vicar faith. we've seen a vicar debunked and christians prosecuted for the thought crime of praying not out loud, but in their own heads because of new censorship, censorship zones around abortion facilities that criminalise silent prayer . criminalise silent prayer. private prayer. christians across the globe face often

violent persecution, but are met with deathly silence. here in the west. that said , christ did the west. that said, christ did tell his followers in matthew ten, you will be hated by all. for my name's sake . in matthew for my name's sake. in matthew five that men shall revile you and persecute you and shall say all manner of evil things against you falsely or in luke that men shall hate you and shall separate you from their company. the church of england's leadership seems to be running arms open wide to embrace any and all fashionable ideas and ideologies with no consideration for preserving their own inheritance . the truth or inheritance. the truth or protecting traditional believers. in fact, under their leadership , it's seeming less leadership, it's seeming less and less like a church at all. as reverend daniel french pointed out yesterday on twitter, the church advocates sized themselves like a quasi undertow shakers, talking about last goodbyes instead of the life eternal and the resurrection of the dead . french

resurrection of the dead. french calls it theological nonsense, but that seems to be the modus operandi of whoever is doing their pr. a brief segway. let's take a look at news from winchester this week from that great ancient cathedral city. the old minster there was erected in 648 ad alfred the great named it the capital of the ancient kingdom of wessex . the ancient kingdom of wessex. and in many ways, it could be said to be the birthplace of england , born of alfred's england, born of alfred's imagination and resolve. but it's 2023, and this week it was reported that the lib dem run winchester city council has imposed a 710% hike on sunday parking charges is all part of reaching net zero fees for sunday. now for four hours we have risen from £2 to £17. air quality doesn't care which day of the week it is, they said. some are concerned that the

elderly won't be a won't be able to afford to pray. one gentleman compared it to the soviet politburo saying they implement any scheme they wish and appear accountable to nobody. winchester cathedral so far hasn't commented, but i think it's fair to say that winchester city council will find plenty of allies among the bishops . not allies among the bishops. not too long ago, synod discuss the potential of human composting as disgusting as that sounds , as disgusting as that sounds, as a low carbon alternative to burial and cremation extinction rebellion. who we've seen parading through bristol cathedral seem to be more welcome than traditionally minded christian towns like coutts bank, who recently de—banking nigel farage the church of england are signed up to the un's principles for responsible investment and the church, like the and the church commissioners like coots who handle the churches investment portfolio are , to quote their

portfolio are, to quote their website, committed to incorporating environmental, social and governance issues into our approach to investment thatis into our approach to investment that is esg. now now, we'll come back to this a little bit later in the show, but for now, that e seems to be widely understood as anything to do with reaching net zero. while the s has everything to do with implementing equality, diversity and inclusion policies understood through the filter of critical race theory , or as some as it race theory, or as some as it has come to be known outside of academia. wokeness as in matthew six, christ says no one can serve two masters. either you will hate one and love the other, or or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other . i am beginning to wonder whether the church of england is struggling with its allegiance, ehhen struggling with its allegiance, either. it can choose the dominant political philosophy of the day and all that entails , or the day and all that entails, or it can have the gospel and defend the faith. but it can't have both . that leads me on to

have both. that leads me on to tonight's duel. joining me is political commentator conor tomlinson and journalist and author michael crick is freedom of religion and conscience under threat in the uk? conor first let's go to you. can you explain to us a little bit more about what esg actually is? >> yeah, environmental, social and governance scores are a corporate social credit system cooked up within the nexus of both the united nations to hit their 17 sustainable development goals by 2030. the world economic forum as a sort of policy nexus for big capital and world leaders and the leading hedge funds around the world are bankrolling it. they're subsidising this activism. blackrock state street and vanguard to break it down for your for your viewers, it's an insurance mechanism against the get woke go broke principle that would allow us to boycott every company signed up to company that is signed up to this so what this otherwise. and so what happens hedge funds happens is these hedge funds subsidise any that subsidise any company that decides to de—banking people like farage or divest

like nigel farage or divest profitable investment in fossil fuels and energy security into renewables that aren't quite there yet, or spend loads of money on diversity inclusion money on diversity and inclusion training signed up training schemes and signed up to have people in their advertising like dylan mulvaney, even puts off consumers as even if it puts off consumers as we've seen with bud light. and so it's large capital ideological monopolising the market against what regular people, regular thinking people and christians like you and me would that they didn't do. >> and michael, it not >> and michael, is it not a problem that the church of england signed to that? england is signed up to that? does put it in conflict does that not put it in conflict where it's focusing more on things reaching net zero things like reaching net zero than the traditional goals of than on the traditional goals of a promoting the a church and promoting the gospel and defending the faith? well i think if jesus christ were alive he'd believe were alive today, he'd believe in zero. in net zero. >> no, wouldn't . yes, he >> no, he wouldn't. yes, he would. christ lived would. he jesus christ lived a simple life where he spent very little money. he had very few needs. he didn't live in a he didn't lead a life of greed and really , it's the greed of modern really, it's the greed of modern civilisation which the christian church has utterly failed in its

duty to argue against. it's the greed that has led to climate change and global warming and is heading us towards catastrophe on this planet and jesus christ . if he was alive today, he would believe in achieving net zero and he would believe in many of these social measures as adopted by the church of england and which conor so decries on you and atheist. >> you am an atheist. you've just made a profession of faith on live television. no what you've is said, i've said, you've done is said, i've said, i've said that i'm not i've said that jesus, i'm not just i'm an atheist, just because i'm an atheist, that i don't believe he that means i don't believe he was the of god. was the son of god. >> i don't believe in god, but i believe he had a lot of sensible things say. things to say. >> do you why do you >> why do you why do you disagree jesus christ disagree that jesus christ wouldn't of wouldn't have been in favour of net zero? >> okay, so first of all, i kind of raise an eyebrow at any atheist that tries to use my own values to subvert own values to subvert my own politics. second of net politics. second of all, net zero revelation it zero is the new revelation on it is apocalyptic narrative is the new apocalyptic narrative which displaced the idea which has displaced the idea of an eventual rapture that human beings around beings will sit around and wait for and be in constant moral

preparation because you preparation for. because you never hour of never know the hour of judgement. you've got to be judgement. so you've got to be a good person until you judged good person until you are judged instead, promethean instead, it has the promethean ambition that says we are our own we master the own gods. we can master the world. master ourselves. world. we can master ourselves. and we do is and so all we have to do is augment human behaviour then augment human behaviour and then we utopia than we can reach utopia rather than utopia. arriving at a time that we cannot bring and so it we cannot bring about. and so it puts i say i mean the puts us and i say us, i mean the managerial class who like managerial class who would like to would live in to direct how we would live in the driver's seat and said, it's all right, just trust us, give up all of your power and all of your wealth will bring your wealth and we will bring your wealth and we will bring you sorry, quite you to heaven. sorry, quite sceptical about that, michael. >> to >> you ain't going to go to heaven you carry on like heaven if you carry on like this. because. because you don't believe heaven, no, believe in heaven, though. no, i know, i'm just. if i'm know, but i'm just. if i'm confronted a gentleman who confronted by a gentleman who argues that basis, have argues on that basis, i have to respond. on basis of his respond. and on the basis of his principles, won't to principles, you won't go to heaven. you able to heaven. you won't be able to hang around for the utopia. you believe in. and don't believe believe in. and i don't believe because long, the world believe in. and i don't believe be going long, the world believe in. and i don't believe be going to long, the world believe in. and i don't believe be going to destroyg, the world believe in. and i don't believe be going to destroy itself world believe in. and i don't believe be going to destroy itself at)rld is going to destroy itself at this rate. >> why is an atheist? do you feel side to take feel qualified side to take to take a position disagreement take a position in disagreement with a matter of

with connor on a matter of theology that? theology like that? >> because you invited >> well, because you invited protestant atheist . no, i mean , protestant atheist. no, i mean, there are certain basics here. i mean, a lot of my moral principles are based upon christian religion. i just don't believe in god. and i do believe there are aspects of religion which have done enormous damage over the last 2000 years and appalling bigotry and burning people at the stake and all of that. no, thank you very much. and i'm not persuaded that god exists . all right. but at the exists. all right. but at the same time, i'm you know, if people are have influential positions in public life, as connor does, as a commentator based upon their christian principles, of course , i'm going principles, of course, i'm going to argue about it and explore his christian principles and say, well, look, you know, do you really are you really going along with what christ says? or have you have distorted , have you have you distorted, sorted corrupted what christ sorted and corrupted what christ said, which i think most of christianity has? frankly, if you think of the appalling things that christianity has been for over the been responsible for over the last 2000, i don't i don't like

the accusation that i have been distorting something that i believe in and that don't. believe in and that you don't. >> of the verses that you >> one of the verses that you cited there, emma, of the cited there, emma, one of the things that christ actually says is god and is that you cannot serve god and mammon in the bible, mammon mammon. now in the bible, mammon is commonly mistranslated to money, actually decided money, but it's actually decided to kind of entity that to be a kind of entity that controls material possessions . controls material possessions. it's the idea that you as a human being be tempted to human being can be tempted to overthrow hierarchy, overthrow the hierarchy, which keeps in proximate to keeps you humble in proximate to the that you've inherited the things that you've inherited the things that you've inherited the your body, your the world, your body, your relationships and master literally your literally everything for your own enrichment. and what net zero is. it's the idea that if human beings without can human beings without god can perfect world, if you perfect the world, if you believe, don't sign god believe, don't sign up to god created you are created the world and you are out destroy it. out to destroy it. >> is that is my argument. >> that is that is my argument. you you are actually going you are you are actually going against god's work. >> i can briefly prevent us >> if i can briefly prevent us from derailed from the from being derailed from the original . and if we can original question. and if we can just get quickly get your just get a quickly get your thoughts it's thoughts on, you know, it's demonstrable. we've seen so many christian sons being silenced because they're holding true traditional views being de—banking. i don't losing their

jobs. >> is it not the guy in the guy in windermere who was had his bank account closed by the i think it was the yorkshire bank. it was because he had expressed his views on trans issues. i don't think it was because he was a vicar. lots of people have had have had have had their bank accounts closed. well, yeah, but it wasn't because he was a christian. i mean, if yorkshire bank are having a policy of closing people's bank accounts because of their views on trans issue, which i think is a bonkers policy, if they're having a policy, but then making an exclusion for vicars, well, that would be bonkers as well. so i think that example isn't a good one. yeah, there are. i mean, christians don't have it all great in this country. for instance , they are the subject instance, they are the subject of mockery. a lot more than other religions. and there are certain other religions which we don't dare to satirise and mock. and i think around the world, there are christians are maybe i don't know whether it's increasingly, but certainly

there is a lot of persecution of christians in the middle east in in india and a lot of the world. and we should perhaps in the west take a lot more notice of that and be a lot more concerned about it. and i would join those concerns. but i don't i think you are exaggerating . i mean, if you are exaggerating. i mean, if i if i look back to my childhood and how difficult it was to grow up in an atheist and humanist family in in the villages we lived in, which were predominantly christian, i felt very uncomfortable in those circumstances. the world isn't like that now. circumstances. the world isn't likeithat now. circumstances. the world isn't likei wantiow. circumstances. the world isn't likei want to. circumstances. the world isn't likei want to give connor the >> i want to give connor the final why is final thought. why is christianity game ? is christianity fair game? and is this exaggeration? christianity fair game? and is thisit's exaggeration? christianity fair game? and is thisit's because ation? christianity fair game? and is thisit's because christianity is >> it's because christianity is the only bulwark against the ideology progressivism which ideology of progressivism which says are own masters and des we are our own masters and we des we are our own masters and we can says we are our own masters and we can perfect ourselves. well, there's the arrogance. >> see, it's not arrogance. >> you see, it's not arrogance. >> you see, it's not arrogance. >> had you saying you've >> you see, it's not arrogance. >> your had you saying you've >> you see, it's not arrogance. >> your turni you saying you've >> you see, it's not arrogance. >> your turn bulwark'ing you've >> you see, it's not arrogance. >> your turn bulwark hang)u've >> you see, it's not arrogance. >> your turn bulwark hang on.a had your turn bulwark hang on. >> it gets a fine. >> it gets a fine. >> hold on a second. and this is endorsed by we come back to the un they voted on a un recently they voted on a resolution the protests in resolution after the protests in sweden that says that government should laws should institute blasphemy laws to offending

to prevent them offending muslims. the uk actually voted against seen, against it. but as we've seen, as you referenced with the abortion buffer zones, we do have laws in have de facto blasphemy laws in this only cut this country and they only cut towards christianity. >> guys. that was >> thank you, guys. that was connor and michael connor tomlinson and michael crick. hear more from crick. we will hear more from them later in the show. them a little later in the show. plenty come this evening plenty more to come this evening on sense crusade. on my common sense crusade. we'll discussing whether we'll be discussing whether critical theories should be critical race theories should be discussed in primary school classrooms. you

in two. welcome back to calvin's commonsense crusade . with me, commonsense crusade. with me, emma webb, on your tv online and on your wireless thousand . on your wireless thousand. thousands of primary schools in britain are teaching controversial theories about race to children. primary school students are being taught using american style lessons and resources on white privilege grounded in controversial critical race theory, british children as young as five are reported being taught using resources that state that white

privilege, that white children are strongly biased, in favour of, quote, whiteness compared to their latinx that is latino classmates alongside outside advice to decode denies their schools. teachers are also being warned that pupils might get defensive if they are poor, gay or female. but that but that this doesn't array. this is a quote that this doesn't erase their white identity . meanwhile, their white identity. meanwhile, this week the government refused to say whether teachers can refer to pupils by their legal and biological gender. baroness baron, parliamentary under—secretary of state for education, said that gender was a complex issue and that the department would issue guidance at some point. she was responding to a question, a written question by lord pearson following the decision earlier this year by the teaching regulation authority, who banned a teacher for misgendering a pupil pupil to discuss this further, i am joined and

delighted to welcome paul huxley. the communications manager at christian concern. thank you so much for joining manager at christian concern. thank you so much forjoining me . so firstly, is it appropriate to import and impose american oriented resources as here in the uk in our classrooms ? the uk in our classrooms? >> well , i'd the uk in our classrooms? >> well, i'd say no for sure. and one of the things about critical race theory, along with lots of other ideologies , is lots of other ideologies, is that they're better at explaining a problem, a real problem that may exist than they are with coming up with answers. so there has been obviously the very poor treatment of some people because of their skin colour over history and people who advocate for critical race theory and latch on to that and then they provide their solutions . but their solutions solutions. but their solutions tend to make the situation worse, as far as i'm concerned . worse, as far as i'm concerned. and they also refer to problems that are particularly strong in america and aren't quite

relevant in the same way in the united kingdom. so to import that stuff into into england, wales , scotland, northern wales, scotland, northern ireland, it just seems inappropriate to me . inappropriate to me. >> cool race theory , >> cool race theory, objectionable, objectionable from a christian perspective or is it not? >> well , the bible is really >> well, the bible is really clear that everyone is made in god's image, and so we're all equally valuable in god's eyes. >> we're made in god's image, male and female . that's the one male and female. that's the one distinction that it does make in the bible between people who but that everyone of any skin colour, any ethnicity is equally valuable. so we do have to first of all recognise that. and so christianity is has historically been one of the strongest forces in eliminating racism as , as in eliminating racism as, as those who attended the slade trade in particular were christians and motivated by that belief is critical race theory ever appropriate in schools?

christian schools? well, no, because it's actually quite complicated to get to the bottom of critical race theory anyway . of critical race theory anyway. if you speak to most adults , if you speak to most adults, many of the people listening to your show probably won't know know detail what critical know in detail what critical race theory, even means in terms of in terms of detail, in terms of in terms of detail, in terms of what these people mean by whiteness and these sorts of things . it's whiteness and these sorts of things. it's really quite complicated . and to teach that complicated. and to teach that to five year olds, the teach that to 11 year olds and or 15 year olds, people aren't aren't ready to even get into that level of complexity as far as i'm concerned even to really discuss those issues because because there's a limit limit to how you can tell the difference between someone's skin colour and what their culture is. whiteness as more than skin colour, but also a culture. it's really difficult to get your head around and i really don't think that young children should be taught it. >> and just very briefly, we'd also like to get your thoughts on question that's been on this question that's been asked dfe. why is it

asked to the dfe. why is it important that teachers should be by the when be backed up by the state when it to referring to pupils it comes to referring to pupils by biological gender by their biological gender rather preferred pronouns, rather than preferred pronouns, particularly in christian schools? >> w— e goes back to the >> well, that goes back to the case of joshua sutcliff, a christian maths teacher who was supported by christian concern and the christian centre. and the christian legal centre. he somewhat he he sort of somewhat accidentally referred to a biological female in his class as well done girls and this girl actually wanted to be to be known as a boy and he ended up being banned by the teaching regulation agency . and and it regulation agency. and and it was one of the first cases where you really saw christians at loggerheads with with the trans issue. it was back in 2017. and you first really saw christians coming under pressure because of these things. and fundamentally truthful pronouns. what people really are, what their biological reality is, what their legal reality is when they're a child, they can't transition in the eyes of the law . truly and these things are law. truly and these things are

these things are reality. and for teachers to talk truthfully to these students and about these students requires them to use accurate pronouns . so why use accurate pronouns. so why should the government back that up? well, because it's truth. that's what what reality is . and that's what what reality is. and that's what young people really need to hear . they need to that's what young people really need to hear. they need to hear that their bodies aren't the problem if they're if they're really struggling with their gender identity, they need to hear that their body isn't a problem. it's what god's given them. and to reconcile with that, rather than to try and reshape it, rechange it and forge a new identity . forge a new identity. >> thank you very much, paul. that was paul huxley there from the from christian concern. thank you so much for your time today. let's get a reaction from my panel. i'm joined by political commentator conor tomlinson and journalist and author michael crick. so, michael, i'd like to come to you first. that you don't first. i presume that you don't agree with that. do you think that this is i agree with some of what he says. >> so which which parts do you agree with and parts don't

agree with and which parts don't you well, i mean, ijust you agree? well, i mean, ijust think i think we need more tolerance all around. and i think for the state to start or for local education authorities think for the state to start or forindeedzducation authorities think for the state to start or forindeed headmastersiorities or indeed headmasters and headmistresses of schools to start know, discipline start, you know, discipline teachers or sacking them on the bafis teachers or sacking them on the basis of the of, you know , for basis of the of, you know, for instance, the whole of trans rights is an utter minefield . rights is an utter minefield. and it's just so easy to say something that's going to offend people . and there needs to be people. and there needs to be more tolerance here. there needs to be an acknowledgement that we are struggling as a civilisation to get to grips with this whole new world where there are people who who feel uncomfortable in their bodies and want to move to a new gender. so i just think that the state in in on occasion is being far too heavy handed. so i would agree with paul huxley in that regard. there were plenty of other things. but let's get on to connor and i'll

think of what they were when we get back briefly. >> so do you think this really is in our education is a crisis in our education system? if it i'm sure system? and if it is, i'm sure there'll be many parents who are watching thinking, watching at home thinking, i don't what to should don't know what to do. should i pull child of school? pull my child out of school? should start homeschooling should i start homeschooling them? know what? you were them? you know what? if you were a parent, what would you do a parent, what what would you do under these circumstances as they're it they're trying to make it increasingly difficult to homeschool? >> mean, the zahawi tried >> i mean, the zahawi tried to make impossible make it practically impossible because tax because you had to do tax registration because registration recently because they standardise they want to standardise education system. and my frustration both with frustration is both both with paul you said is paul and what you just said is that critical theory that critical race theory actually to actually isn't hard to understand. just go understand. if you just go and read text by kimberle read the text by kimberle crenshaw and derrick bell and bell hooks the like. they bell hooks and the like. they say explicitly, the civil rights movement it movement failed because it didn't about communism. so didn't bring about communism. so what bring about is what we want to bring about is race based communism. and actually deliberately actually it's deliberately trying to make people more racist they think we're racist because they think we're going up in a war going to end up in a race war and going to win. now, i and it's going to win. now, i don't want a war because don't want a race war because funnily enough, i'm and funnily enough, i'm moderate and i hate black friends, i don't hate my black friends, but so i don't think but they do. so i don't think it's appropriate to teach this

in i also don't it's appropriate to teach this in it's i also don't it's appropriate to teach this in it's appropriate» don't it's appropriate to teach this in it's appropriate to on't it's appropriate to teach this in it's appropriate to teach think it's appropriate to teach kids that you can change your gender as we've seen gender because as we've seen from the things the cass from the things like the cass report and various other pieces of literature, if you of scientific literature, if you do wait method, most do a watch and wait method, most kids at rate from 76 to kids desist at a rate from 76 to 92. the surgeries and that 92. and the surgeries and that that these that are conducted on these children often with children leave them often with long health complications long term health complications cancen cancer, suicidality and sterility. people on sterility. so putting people on this particularly young this path, particularly young and children hate and vulnerable children to hate people to people of another race or to hate own bodies evil hate their own bodies is evil and government should step and the government should step in. >> well, that's all nice and depressing. thank you very much. that connor tomlinson and that was connor tomlinson and michael more michael crick. we'll hear more from later in from them both a little later in the coming up, we will be the show. coming up, we will be discussing birth discussing the declining birth rates. took to twitter rates. and so i took to twitter to ask, with birth rates at a record and climate alarmism record low and climate alarmism at time are you at an all time high, are you worried about the baby drought? lots of already been lots of you have already been sending in your thoughts. someone with the account british weather it's not weather service says it's not climate alarmism. the impacts are and true. rewrite are happening and true. rewrite the question . john elliott says the question. john elliott says not even remotely. no lower birth rates are a natural

consequence of advanced birth control techniques , allowing control techniques, allowing people to be more responsible about when they have children and how many they have. this is normal, all violet says. i wouldn't have kids now. this country is unrecognisable and not for the better. why on earth would anyone want to bring a child into it? would anyone want to bring a child into it ? interesting. would anyone want to bring a child into it? interesting. and doward says is completely in disagreement with everyone else. we need a baby boom . i agree we need a baby boom. i agree with you, david. so thank you all for sending in your views. we will be we will bring you the results of that poll a little later in the show. more is still to come. but first, it's the weather . weather. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news good evening. on. gb news good evening. >> my name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast brought to you by the met office. so it's been quite a wet, windy and unsettled day across the uk and that's been due to storm. anthony

that's going to move away to the southeast though, as we go through this evening to allow for some lighter winds to move in from the west. but we could still see a bit more in the way of rain and some of cloud rain and some thunderstorms into the thunderstorms clinging into the southeast for a while. also, some conditions here. some blustery conditions here. elsewhere, things drying up that we could still see some showers for western coasts and there will be some clear spells around. so in rural areas, temperatures might just drop into figures . this into the single figures. this will mean it will be a generally bright, drier and calmer start to the second half of the weekend. those still some blustery conditions cloud and rain across east anglia at first cloud and showers soon bubbling up elsewhere and they could be heavy across scotland, northern england and a chance of a thunderstorm for northern ireland, but generally feeling much more pleasant with those temperatures just creeping into the 20s in south after the low 20s in the south after another chilly night, though, on sunday, it will be a bright start to the new week with

plenty of sunshine around some showers soon starting to bubble up. but these will be less frequent and lighter in nature than what we're expecting for sunday. but as we look towards midweek, it does look like things settle and things will settle down and become a bit drier with those temperatures on the rise to a brighter outlook with boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> plenty more to come this evening. with birth rates at a record low and climate alarmism at an all time high, are you worried about the baby drought? that's

next we welcome back to kelvin's common sense crusade with me, emma webb, on your tv online and on your wireless . according to on your wireless. according to a recent survey , more than a third recent survey, more than a third of young people are put off having children because of pressures on their finances as

worries about the state of the world, not least climate change 38% of 18 to 34 year olds have, quote, fears about the state of the world and 35% are concerned about the impact of the environment on the environment and the birth rate is below replacement . and yet research replacement. and yet research shows that women on average are having less children than they want to. meanwhile, another survey showed that 1 in 5 women have said that they have been coerced to have an abortion , coerced to have an abortion, that they didn't want to . what that they didn't want to. what on earth is going on and should we be worried about the baby drought? to discuss this, i am joined in the studio by writer and cultural commentator lois mcclatchy . so, lois, tell us, mcclatchy. so, lois, tell us, why should people be worried about birth rates being so low and what are the implications of this on society? >> well, you're absolutely right that they're very low. the replacement level for the population is for everybody to have two children. and right now we're averaging 1.5. so the

trajectory of that is that the size of our population is going to fall quite dramatically . and to fall quite dramatically. and this has implications on three areas. firstly economic implications. now we can look over japan who are a little bit overjapan who are a little bit further down the trajectory than us. they've they're trajectory is to lose million in the is to lose 30 million in the next 30 years. their economy is very because of that. very stagnant because of that. so look those so we can look at those implications well, implications and ask why. well, that leads on to the second reason why this such reason why this has such a severe implication. it's on the welfare and we're very welfare state and we're very proud of our welfare in this country. but ultimately it's a ponzi scheme. means it's a ponzi scheme. that means it's a pyramid . so we have to have a pyramid. so we have to have a healthy number of working adults to able to support those who to be able to support those who are the end of the are at the ageing end of the pyramid. if we have that pyramid. and if we have that upturned, going have upturned, that's going to have very implications for very severe implications for those who are squeezed at the pressure trying provide pressure of trying to provide and to going have and also is to going have terrible implications for those of rather not spend our of us who'd rather not spend our elderly cared by chatgpt elderly years cared by chatgpt in henry hoover. want to in a henry hoover. if we want to have you know, solid ability to look forward to our, you know, the welfare scheme working for

us, to be providing the us, we have to be providing the number of people that need to have and finally, it has have it. and finally, it has implications for us as individuals. know individuals. we know for generations that what gives people fulfilment their generations that what gives peopliwhatilment their generations that what gives peopliwhat givest their generations that what gives peopliwhat gives people r generations that what gives peopliwhat gives people meaning lives, what gives people meaning , is not usually from careers or even having a meaningful cause that they're excited about. and ultimately it often comes from relationships and i am concerned about the number of people saying that they are so crippled with fear the climate that with fear about the climate that they not having children they are not having children because means not only because that means that not only are introducing further are we introducing further anxiety our population , but anxiety into our population, but we're then saying that they can't even have families, which we of the number one we know is one of the number one ways to reduce anxiety and to bnng ways to reduce anxiety and to bring stability lives . bring stability into our lives. so it is a very concerning trend. and we've seen recently. >> the barbie film has >> so the barbie film has been this phenomenon. and this huge phenomenon. and there's there's and there's a there's a clip and i think we have the clip from that with children sort of with with these children sort of smashing up their baby dolls and turning to the girlboss barbie instead. so i was i've been quite surprised, actually. we'll come to the poll results later in the show. but it seems that

actually people are not really in with and i on in agreement with you and i on this baby drought subject. and do you so do you think that we have anti—natalist culture have an anti—natalist culture that people just don't want to have can't force have children? you can't force them glad you brought up barbie. >> actually, i just wrote about this today in the european conservative think barbie, this today in the european con movie ve think barbie, this today in the european con movie ve people hink barbie, this today in the european con movie ve people have3arbie, this today in the european con movie ve people have seene, the movie if people have seen it, it's a really good reflection on where we at with championing of having reflection on where we at with cha girlboss, of having reflection on where we at with cha girlboss, having. of having reflection on where we at with cha girlboss, having. is)f having reflection on where we at with cha girlboss, having. is it having reflection on where we at with cha girlboss, having. is it that1g the girlboss, having. is it that we want women to grow up and say, know i don't need say, you know what, i don't need a at all. don't need a man at all. i don't need children? that is my fulfilment is entirely from my career? or have a little astray have we gone a little bit astray 7 have we gone a little bit astray ? you what with the if ? and you know what with the if we look across the nation , we've we look across the nation, we've never a lonelier population never been a lonelier population than we've never been a more anxious population. i think 1 in 3 households right now are single adult households. and we know looking around that we're a society crippled depression society crippled with depression . can't help but think by . and i can't help but think by having this outlook, which has degraded and family degraded and devalued family relationships we've done ourselves and our neighbours, no favours whatsoever. i think favours whatsoever. and i think it's that the current

it's something that the current government have not particularly it's something that the current goverenoughiave not particularly it's something that the current goverenough to e not particularly it's something that the current goverenough to , not particularly it's something that the current goverenough to , tot particularly it's something that the current goverenough to , to empowerarly it's something that the current goverenough to , to empower women done enough to, to empower women and men to embrace parenthood and men to embrace parenthood and to feel encouraged , and to feel encouraged, supported and empowered to do that. >> so in that, i'm going to bnng >> so in that, i'm going to bring michael, bring my panel in. michael, you're think i think are you're i think i think you are the only person who has children on this panel. the only person who has children on this panel . so the only person who has children on this panel. so could you tell us a little bit more, you know, do you feel that how it happened? not about how you had children, but no. do you do you do you feel that, you know, we we're overblowing this baby drought thing because i know obviously of people obviously lots of people are concerned about change. concerned about climate change. they're concerned about overpopulation. they're concerned about overpcunderpopulation. about underpopulation. >> well, first all, i do >> well, first of all, i do wonder this is all an wonder whether this is all an attack know, the people attack on, you know, the people like believe that global like me who believe that global warming dreadful problem. warming is a dreadful problem. and just global warming warming is a dreadful problem. and people just global warming warming is a dreadful problem. and people justworried warming warming is a dreadful problem. and people justworried about.|g that people are worried about. they're about nuclear they're worried about nuclear proliferation, the possibility of between of nuclear war between superpowers and all of that. and which is astonishingly hasn't happenedin which is astonishingly hasn't happened in 80 years since hiroshima and nagasaki .and, happened in 80 years since hiroshima and nagasaki . and, of hiroshima and nagasaki. and, of course, the problems of mass migration. but i mean, when i

was born, i think the population of the world was 2.5 billion. in 1958, it's now about 8 billion. and despite what you're saying, it's going to go up a fair bit more to about 11 billion, isn't it? before it starts coming down again. now the if the world again. now if the if the world if population had stayed at if the population had stayed at 2.5 million, then the problems of climate change would be a lot, lot less . you know, a lot lot, lot less. you know, a lot of what's going on. the climate change is going on is because there are so many people in the world consuming energy and so on and emitting carbon and therefore i, i would welcome the population coming down, but it will probably be too late . it, will probably be too late. it, it'll be too late to save it. >> which exactly ones do you want to get rid of. right. so that's, firstly i really that's, that's firstly i really exactly what one's which which people world are people in the world are polluting for you. polluting too much for you. that's pretty. that's a pretty. >> we all are including myself. >> not true. right. second of all, you saving is in my all, who you saving is in my case. second of all, hang on, hold on. of all, who are hold on. second of all, who are we saving the world what is

we saving the world for? what is the of conserving a world the point of conserving a world if human beings in if there are no human beings in it? thirdly well, nobody's advocating you've your advocating no, you've had your speak lastly, speak right. and then lastly, i'd come to the data of i'd like to come to the data of a demographics called a demographics analyst called stephen j. shaw. he's projected by there's to be by by 2050, there's going to be 800 suffering 800 million people suffering from called unplanned from something called unplanned childlessness. from something called unplanned chilchave|ess. scared out of that have been scared out of having children. but 80% of those not having those that end up not having kids so this is kids wanted them. so this is a major demographic personal major demographic and personal meaning crisis that we're suffering can speak suffering from. and i can speak from personal experience here generations before, if conditions were different, i probably would have had kids by now well. the pressures now as well. but the pressures that you just just by that are put on you just just by economics, politics, books, social media and the relationship market at the moment nightmare moment is a nightmare for younger people. so younger and younger people. so we need something to we really do need something to fix . fix this. >> final, final word to lois. very i think that there very quickly. i think that there are women who really are many women who really are quite unplanned quite terrified of unplanned childlessness and the family situation in this country is really quite, you know, the atomisation is quite frightening and detrimental to a lot of people. what do you think? yeah, we can be really scared of this

conversation in britain because it the word abortion. it touches the word abortion. >> talked about is >> and that we talked about is the 1 in 5 women are having a coerced abortion. one that they don't want. but think the don't even want. but i think the solution, is to solution, therefore, is to empower sure that women empower and make sure that women feel comfortable and feel comfortable supporting and helped to bring children into the they won't be left the world and they won't be left alone or abandoned. having alone or abandoned. and having societal solutions, including support do so. support from men to do so. >> was lois mcclatchey >> that was lois mcclatchey miller, thanks much for your miller, thanks so much for your time today. and thank you also to connor tomlinson and michael crick have you back crick. i hope to have you back on the show again very soon. coming up in the final part of my common sense crusade this week, we'll be reflecting on the legacy of great philosopher legacy of the great philosopher sir scruton. see you sir roger scruton. see you shortly

welcome back to kelvin's common sense crusade with me, emma webb on tv online, and on your wireless. now to the result of our twitter poll with birth rates at a record low and climate alarmism at an all time high. are you worried about the baby drought now ? i'm surprised baby drought now? i'm surprised by these results 34% say yes and 66% say no. so actually , the 66% say no. so actually, the audience and i are not fully in agreement on this one because i am very concerned about it. so lots of you have been sending in your thoughts on the topics that we've been discussing today. george jesus is alive today george says jesus is alive today and jesus is alive today. george says jesus is alive today and jesus is alive today . and he and jesus is alive today. and he would say again, my kingdom is not of this world. he was concerned about not concerned about souls, not climate. christine says, i'm worried about the terrible number of abortions this is part of the cause, not this. is this . this sorry, this is part of the cause , not genuine birth the cause, not genuine birth control. henry says if children don't know the answer to seven times eight, how would they

understand race and gender theories ? we thank you all so theories? we thank you all so much for sending in your views. now sir roger scruton sits alongside the likes of descartes, kant and edmund burke as one of the one of history's great philosophers offers. he is regarded as the most important conservative thinker of his generation. he published more than 40 books of unparalleled breadth and depth in religion , breadth and depth in religion, philosophy, aesthetics, politics, ice, music, hunting and even wine . in his work is and even wine. in his work is his work in keeping the flame of civilisation burning behind the iron curtain during the cold war has left such an indelible impression on on the country of hungary that it even has a cafe chain named in his honour. scruton passed away in january 2020, just weeks before the world was brought to a standstill by the pandemic. and i'm sure that i am not alone in wondering what he would have made of the cultural revolution that followed his work. continue

through the roger scruton legacy foundation , nye bevan the foundation, nye bevan the founder and executive director director that foundation, director of that foundation, joins me now from the united states. fisher dardarian, thank you much for joining states. fisher dardarian, thank you much forjoining us you so much forjoining us today. let's begin by telling today. so let's begin by telling our audience, you may not know very about roger, very much about roger, just a potted history of his biography. where come from? he was where did he come from? he was a working guy and he ended working class guy and he ended up being one of the greatest minds of his generation. >> yeah, well, first, i just want you so much want to say thank you so much for having me. it's pleasure for having me. it's a pleasure to have you join you the to have you join you in the studio get talk about the studio and get to talk about the wonderful work of the roger scruton foundation. so, scruton legacy foundation. so, sir as you said, sir roger was born, as you said, in a working class family. i believe, in 1944. and grew up in high wycombe. very much high wycombe. so he very much so, in that in so, grew up in that place in that and as he started that era. and as he started going through school, realised he had some skills in his academic studies and ended up getting to go to grammar school and won a scholarship to go to cambridge at jesus college where he studied and actually started out in natural sciences. and i think within the first day

decided he liked the moral sciences quite better. so switched his his major or what he was reading and just had a fascinating life from from which he then goes. and as he's going through his studies , he spends through his studies, he spends some time in paris and this is one of the points in stories he always loves to tell about his conservative turn. before he had some questions, he agreed with his was very much so his father, who was very much so a working class and proud of a working class man and proud of his background. a working class man and proud of his backg wasd. a working class man and proud of his backg was the revolutionary >> but it was the revolutionary activity of the 1960s that really got going. really got him going. >> so he in may 1968, is in >> so he was in may 1968, is in paris looking down from attic paris looking down from an attic apartment borrowing apartment that he was borrowing from and he always from a friend. and he always describes this in of his describes this in a lot of his interviews, looks down on interviews, but looks down on the sees the the street and sees the revolutionaries and those that were for the were fighting for the proletariat, in their proletariat, at least in their words, they presented. words, and what they presented. but was was the but what it really was was the bourgeoisie attacking the proletariat. only real proletariat. the only real proletariat. the only real proletariat on the street, as he would say, were timely. the policemen, know, trying to policemen, you know, trying to defend then defend the place. and then otherwise, these otherwise, all these young middle students were middle class students were pulling out the pulling cobblestones out of the street, throwing them through windows, overturned cars, of all

the people that they were supposedly his his line supposedly for. and his his line is always he looks down and he says , well, whatever they're says, well, whatever they're for, against. and he spent for, i'm against. and he spent the rest his life trying to the rest of his life trying to figure what that figure out what exactly that was. so one of one of the one of the other things he was against was the union. was the soviet union. >> and very involved in >> and he was very involved in going behind the curtain going behind the iron curtain into like what is now into countries like what is now hungary, poland and hungary, czechia and poland and teach ing lectures to make sure that the flame of civilisation kept burning there. >> right. so in 1979, i believe he gets invited out to give his first lecture and isn't sure what they're going to want to talk about. so he prepare something on wittgenstein and the private language argument and realises they're the private language argument and so realises they're the private language argument and so reeto es they're the private language argument and so reeto haveay're the private language argument and so reeto have people just so excited to have people from the west come over and it's this kind of tense meeting this very kind of tense meeting . really very much a . it's really very much so a secret activity that any secret activity that at any moment can break in. and moment police can break in. and so the course of the next so over the course of the next ten he begins to create ten years, he begins to create institutions and organisations. one in czechoslovakia, one in poland . he supports another that

poland. he supports another that p0ps up poland. he supports another that pops up in romania. poland. he supports another that pops up in romania . and through pops up in romania. and through his larger network that he's supporting . and they create this supporting. and they create this underground university in which they're smuggling and resources . they're bringing in samizdat publication as they're smuggling books, smuggling out essays and articles and different things, and he even goes so far as to set up a unit award a degree awarding program through the divinity, the faculty of divinity at the university of cambridge. and i think they actually awarded a 3 or 4 degrees through this program and quite difficult to as they had to have formal lectures, figure out how they could grade papers and forth and take and so on and so forth and take them back and forth. what them back and forth. but what was is in 1985, was most fascinating is in 1985, he's lecture he he's giving a lecture and he says he or less knew this says he more or less knew this was his last trip, but he's giving a lecture in one of these secret meetings at and the police come in and seize him, throw him down the stairs, rough him a bit, and him up a good bit, and essentially take him to the border. and barbara day, in her book, philosopher book, the velvet philosopher describes this scene quite, quite beautifully or interestingly but they interestingly at least. but they take him to the border and they

just point into austria and just point out into austria and say and never say and say, leave and never return. and the description is, well, there's this kind of frumpy englishman just wandering off his leather bag on his off with his leather bag on his shoulder and not returning until 1989, when the wall fell. >> so you're through the foundation. you're continuing that so you tell us that legacy. so can you tell us a more about the work a bit more about what the work of the foundation is? i know recently came to see recently i came to see a performance of roger's opera. anna, you've been doing a series of seminars at oxford . tell us a of seminars at oxford. tell us a little bit more about how you're continuing his legacy. >> right? so the idea, of course , as you might guess by the name, roger scruton legacy name, the roger scruton legacy foundation, is to continue his legacy and to really establish it conservation care it through the conservation care and of humane and continuation of humane wisdom and culture and this wisdom and culture and what this looks like is hosting lectures, hosting performances, hosting seminars and conferences. like you said , we just hosted the you said, we just hosted the concert premiere for the opera that he had written the libretto to. that was set to music by david matthews, and just did david matthews, and we just did this week in oxford seminar this last week in oxford seminar where 21 undergraduate where he had 21 undergraduate students the west students from around the west come five days and

come together for five days and go lectures and go through lectures and experiences. out to experiences. get to go out to sir roger's farm and really have that wonderful experience as we're conference we're doing conference in september pursuit of september. on the pursuit of beauty young academics and beauty for young academics and really create this really trying to create this international network of people who know roger, who love roger, who know roger, who love roger, who really engage with his work and allow this network to build. so that people who care about architecture , who care about architecture, who care about culture, who about music culture, who care about music and philosophy, politics really the truth and what makes life worth meaning. it can come together around sir roger's work and around and do and around his name and do something worthwhile and meaningful. >> well, god bless you for everything you're doing, and good luck of it. you good luck with all of it. you know, am your cheerleader from know, i am your cheerleader from from sidelines. so that was from the sidelines. so that was fisher thank you so fisher dardarian. thank you so much for joining fisher dardarian. thank you so much forjoining us from the much for joining us from the roger legacy foundation roger scruton legacy foundation . thanks for your time today. each week on this show, we like to end with our closing prayer. this we hear from this week, we will hear from jack, attends ascot school . jack, who attends ascot school. >> grant to us. lord, we beseech

thee the spirit to think and always do such things as be rightful that we who cannot do anything that is good without thee, may we, by thee be able to live according to thy will, through jesus christ our lord. amen thank you, jack. >> you have been watching calvin's commonsense crusade with me, emma webb. i'll be back next saturday at 7 pm. asphalt >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> good evening . my name is >> good evening. my name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest news weather forecast brought to you by the met office. so it's been quite a wet, windy and unsettled day across uk and that's been across the uk and that's been due to storm. anthony that's going to move away to the south—east though, as we go through this evening to allow for some lighter winds to move in from the west. but we could still see a bit more in the way

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