channel >> hello, good afternoon and welcome to gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next few hours me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs, and of course, it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing, and at times will disagree. but no times we will disagree. but no one will be cancelled. so joining next hour are joining me in the next hour are broadcaster and journalist danny kelly, also broadcaster and author christine hamilton. in a few moments time, we'll be going head to head in a clash of minds with former brexit party mep ben habib and also former editor of the labourlist peter edwards . the labourlist peter edwards. but before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines . get your latest news headlines. thank you very much. >> now i'm rory smith in the gb newsroom. those who have been

wrongfully convicted of crimes will no longer have their living costs docked from their compensation payments . new compensation payments. new guidance issued by justice secretary alex chow comes into immediate effect today . it immediate effect today. it follows the controversy sparked by the jailing of andrew malkinson, who spent 17 years behind bars for a crime he did not commit . behind bars for a crime he did not commit. he voiced his concerns that expense may be deducted from his compensation in prompting downing street to make urgent amendments. in prompting downing street to make urgent amendments . the make urgent amendments. the national crime agency is teaming up with social media firms to crack down on posts by people smugglers who are encouraging asylum seekers to cross the channel will. the prime minister says the new partnership between law enforcement and tech giants will tackle attempts to lure migrants into paying to make the journey. group discounts free spaces for children and offers a false documents are amongst the posts that rishi sunak wants removed to help achieve his promise to stop the boats. minister for immigration robert jenrick told us here gb news

that deterrence is key part of the government's plan to tackle the government's plan to tackle the small boats crisis . the small boats crisis. >> the overwhelming majority of those people coming on small boats are coming from france, from a safe country with a well—functioning asylum system. they're choosing to come to the uk and that must be in part because of a perception that the uk is a softer touch . that's why uk is a softer touch. that's why we're changing accommodation . we're changing accommodation. that's why we're making it harder to live and to work illegally in the uk there's been a 50% rise in the number of raids this year by immigration enforcement to try and close down bogus employers who are breaking the law by employing illegal migrants. >> meanwhile , mrjenrick says >> meanwhile, mrjenrick says the first asylum seekers are to be housed on the bibby stockholm barge in the coming days. the immigration minister says around 50 people will enter the vessel in portland port in dorset this week. mrjenrick in portland port in dorset this week. mr jenrick says in portland port in dorset this week. mrjenrick says increasing week. mr jenrick says increasing the numbers on the barge to the capacity of around 500 is still

the plan . that's despite the plan. that's despite concerns from the fire brigades union over the vessel. initially designed to house around 200 people. well it comes as shadow immigration minister stephen kinnock says a labour government would still have to house migrants in barges for short penods migrants in barges for short periods while tackling the backlog of asylum cases. a labour government would also continue to place asylum seekers and former military bases for up to six months. kinnock blamed the conservative government for the conservative government for the current asylum situation but could not say how long it would take. a labour government to reduce the asylum backlog of 172,000 cases. uk greens president vladimir zelenskyy is accusing russia of bombing a blood transfusion centre in the north—west of the country . mr north—west of the country. mr zelenskyy claims a number of people are dead and others are injured. but the president did not disclose how many fatalities there are. he described the strike in the eastern hockey region as a war crime there. so

far been no comment from russia . well, meanwhile, a university building was in flames in the donetsk in eastern ukraine, a region now under under russian control. local authorities blame the shelling on ukrainian forces that they claim are now using cluster bombs. the us and cluster bombs. the us and cluster munitions to ukraine. last month. but kyiv has promised to use them only on russian forces , not civilian russian forces, not civilian targets . it's an iconic 18th targets. it's an iconic 18th century pub in birmingham has been gutted by a fire just days after it was sold to a private buyer fire fighters were called to the crooked house pub just before 1045 last night. the blaze was extinguished but no one was injured. it's affectionately known to many as the wonky pub that's due to its unusual angle, where visitors would enjoy the illusion of coins and other objects seemingly rolling uphill along the bar. police are appealing for anyone with information

about the fire to contact them . about the fire to contact them. the renowned composer carl davis has died at the age of 86 . has died at the age of 86. he first came to prominence in the 19705 first came to prominence in the 1970s after his newly created musical scores for neglected silent films give new life to the old art form. his work in the old art form. his work in the 1927 epic napoleon was given a cinematic release in 2016. among davis's many other credits was the bafta winning musical score for the bbc's 1995 adaptation of pride and prejudice , starring colin firth prejudice, starring colin firth . this was gb news across the uk on tv, in your car on digital radio, and on your smart speaker by saying, play gb news now though, it's back to nana .

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promoting gender surgery are available in their children's library and is sir keir starmer a nimby ? now he's being accused a nimby? now he's being accused of hypocrisy after backflipping again on his stance over the hs2 rail project and then of course, just stop oil as they pledged to disrupt the premier league season . a new police chief has season. a new police chief has vowed to finally , finally crack vowed to finally, finally crack down on the eco activists. well, that's coming up in this hour, as ever. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. you can email gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb news. so or tweet me at. gb news. so let's do it. let's go head to head now this afternoon, this story caught my eye. the mail on sunday has revealed that the top bosses of businesses fuelled our current cost of living crisis banks as banks, energy firms and supermarkets. well they've raked in more than £100 million in pay perks between them . the bosses perks between them. the bosses of bp and shell are both being paid around about 10 million

each, whilst the heads of sainsbury's are on nearly £4 million. and the boss of tesco on 4.4 million. but as customer are faced with the cost of living , double whammy interest living, double whammy interest rates of 5.25% and land at 7.9, inflation option. is it fair that these bosses are raking in such enormous salaries whilst the average briton is forced to pay the average briton is forced to pay more? well, let's welcome again to my panel brexit party mep ben habib is a former won and former editor of the labourlist. peter edwards. i'm going to start with you, ben. is it fair? >> well, i think the word fair is a very difficult word to address. give and i'll give it a go . you know, you've got to look go. you know, you've got to look at the nature of the company and the nature of the activity being performed by the individual. i think when you want to reach judgement on whether they're being remunerated being appropriately remunerated or not, i've got absolute nothing against entrepreneurs starting their business, running their businesses as ceos making a packet . and i hope that and

a packet. and i hope that and i wish them all the best. but but then there's another category of ceos who go from one large company to a to another, not adding much value , taking up the adding much value, taking up the post, what i would call sort of serial public company listed, you know, listed company directors. and they get paid seven figures routinely without really adding what i would see as value add . and then of as value add. and then of course, there's a much more shocking load of directors of particularly listed businesses , particularly listed businesses, those which have been which have used government money to survive, most recently through the pandemic, took loans from the pandemic, took loans from the government . it took furlough the government. it took furlough scheme money from the government banks, of course, which were rescued by the government. the royal bank of scotland, which we now call natwest, is still 40% owned by the government . and i owned by the government. and i think all those entities which either have a direct it, have had direct handouts from the government bailouts and have had protective blankets, put around

them. for example, centrica , them. for example, centrica, which had their costs underwritten by the government when, when, when the cap on on on utility prices was brought in. all those companies have a much greater obligation to ensure that their execut tives are not overpaid because they are not overpaid because they are relying on us, the taxpayer , for their remuneration . and so , for their remuneration. and so there are different categories as some categories deserve everything they get. others need much closer scrutiny . much closer scrutiny. >> peter the pay is too high and i think the companies have got to show restraint. ben set out the different groups in which they're in because there's been direct public sector sorry, taxpayer investment, i.e. me , taxpayer investment, i.e. me, you and the viewers in rbs now called natwest and in lloyds . called natwest and in lloyds. and then obviously lots of pubuc and then obviously lots of public support for the energy market. but the question is what's going to be done about it, right? so they're acting lawfully. if a bank that's 100% privately pays £10 privately owned pays £10 million. personally , i'm million. well, personally, i'm horrified at that. but the government are not going to pass a law to change that. so i think

it shareholders. it comes down to shareholders. i'm talking about what i'm not talking about what retail investors , people that retail investors, people that own £1,000 because much as we respect them, they're not big enough to influence. it's about asset managers, other banks , asset managers, other banks, pension funds, the big investors own hundreds of millions and billions of pounds of shares to make their voice heard. and i thought that was thing we thought that was one thing we should learnt from the 2008 should have learnt from the 2008 crisis a big crisis is if you're a big shareholder, don't be passive. make is heard. make sure your voice is heard. stand for your investment, stand up for your investment, but up for customers i >> -- >> yes, but what about the if we look at the tax system there, is there some way that we could penalise of these bosses penalise some of these bosses from earning much money or do from earning so much money or do you think that might become something that deter those something that might deter those companies find companies or they'll find loopholes well it depends. >> if you're looking at business taxation or individual taxation. but to be honest, there's certain parts of politics and certain parts of politics and certain parts of the media that howl uncontrollably when any government considers raising personal taxes . so it is personal taxes. so it is inconceivable that that any main party are going to go into

election proposing an income tax rise. other than maybe the top tier . tier. >> but but i don't think i don't think raising the personal tax rates will make any difference because actually what you might find is they get paid, they get paid even more to compensate for the higher tax. but, you know, the higher tax. but, you know, the way the government has recouped some value back from the banking sector, for example, is it since 2008, there have been paying a surcharge of 8% corporation tax . the utility corporation tax. the utility companies, the producers of oil and gas have been paying i mean, and gas have been paying i mean, a staggering 75% corporation tax rate, which personally i think is wrong. by the way , stepping is wrong. by the way, stepping aside from from ceo pay a lot of money they make they're making money. they lost a lot of money when we locked down. you know, oil prices went into negative territory a while . territory for a while. >> that's alive. i mean, you can lose when you get to lose some of it when you get to a point where making a point where you're making extortionate then extortionate profits and then charging prices, charging extortionate prices, then be. then there has to be. >> reason i say that >> but the reason i say that they're being overtaxed we do they're being overtaxed is we do need companies to invest.

need these companies to invest. you rishi sunak announced you know, rishi sunak announced with great fanfare these 100 new licences the licences for exploration in the nonh licences for exploration in the north at the moment, north sea. well at the moment, the way the system is set up, i don't think many of these oil companies are going to take advantage of the licences because taxed if because they're taxed to hell if they extract anything and it's very for now with you very hard for them. now with you and have discussed and i have discussed environmental social environmental, social and corporate , esg before corporate governance, esg before with esg , it's very hard for with esg, it's very hard for them to get money from banks because banks don't want to lend to fossil fuel companies. it's very for them get very hard for them to get insurance their insurance for their rigs offshore for because there's a national there's a net zero insurance alliance. again ensuring that kind of activity . ensuring that kind of activity. so, you know, we've got to really look carefully and tread carefully before we have knee jerk reactions to, you know, super large profits or or super large pay packets. do you think do you not think that there's something more that we could be doing, though? >> because obviously, i believe in capitalism . i do. i think in capitalism. i do. i think that you should be paid a certain amount of money. but if

you are in a position, for example, some of those like oil and gas and water companies and other example people other example of people being paid exorbitant of paid exorbitant amounts of money, not money, these things are not really competitive. >> companies are >> i mean, water companies are completely they've completely i mean, they've got a mini they're running mini monopoly. they're running a lousy well, that's right. lousy show. well, that's right. billions of gallons of water are leaking everywhere every year. they're operating off victorian systems , as you know, because systems, as you know, because they haven't invested, because they haven't invested, because they haven't invested, and they've out billions in they've paid out billions in dividends their shareholders. they've paid out billions in divi(there's their shareholders. they've paid out billions in divi(there's obviouslyireholders. they've paid out billions in divi(there's obviously something and there's obviously something gone there. and the gone wrong there. and the regulator, ofwat, is not doing its well. its job well. >> may pick up on that point >> may i pick up on that point briefly ? ben something's briefly? ben says something's gone ben and gone wrong. now, i know ben and i very different starting i have very different starting points but the points for this debate. but the thing that's gone wrong in some cases, not all of them, is nationalisation. now that's inapplicable like inapplicable to someone like sainsbury, some sainsbury, but there are some former owned companies former publicly owned companies in suspect in in this list are suspect in future years we might perhaps see royal as well. this see the royal mail as well. this shows privatisation and you shows that privatisation and you give up the profit, but you also give up the profit, but you also give up the profit, but you also give up control and then the state can't afford to buy it

back. >> well, i kind of agree with you. i mean, there's some things that shouldn't be privatised and the mini monopolies they're the mini monopolies that they're created they should the mini monopolies that they're create have they should the mini monopolies that they're create have privatised. uld never have been privatised. >> monopolies should >> mini monopolies should never be actual fact, be privatised in actual fact, i think there must be a way of reversing it, particularly if they like water are they like water companies are almost bust. they like water companies are aanhy bust. they like water companies are aanhy don't bust. they like water companies are aanhy don't lfind them to infinity? >> and then i've got to think about the political space. people have. like corbyn pledged renationalisation absolutely renationalisation got absolutely hammered the hammered for that because the one cost of a one off cost of a renationalisation is so enormous it can run into tens of billions. that is very difficult to win an election. that basis, labour have got a slightly more moderate package which is set up their company , their own energy company, essentially run by the state, 100% taxpayer owned, renationalising overnight billions and billions of pounds. we can't afford it. >> i think in the long run it's cheapen >> i think in the long run it's cheaper. i think that if you look at it in the short term. >> but yeah, that's the labour argument, absolutely. in the argument, absolutely. but in the long on long run, win an election on that basis. long run, win an election on tha well,;. long run, win an election on tha well, i think lot of the >> well, i think a lot of the pubuc >> well, i think a lot of the public probably agree with public would probably agree with that actually. >> think you had really good

>> i think you had a really good you really good you had a really good suggestion. find them, reduce their and then buy them their profits and then buy them cheaply. their profits and then buy them che exactly. find that's what i >> exactly. find that's what i would that's exactly said. >> find them the polish government did that with their banks. should banks. that's what you should do with what do with >> that's what i would do with the government. don't know why the government. i don't know why the government. i don't know why the listened. rishi, the government listened. rishi, if listening, find them. if you're listening, find them. right. aid, right. listen, foreign aid, this is a topic. according to is a big topic. according to internal internal assessment internal and internal assessment from week, from civil servants this week, ministers that ministers have been warned that women and women in africa, yemen and afghanistan a afghanistan could suffer as a result cuts to result of recent cuts to uk's foreign was foreign aid. of course, it was reduced from point 7 to reduced from nought point 7 to 0.5. comes the 0.5. now it comes after the government november government announced in november 2020 would 2020 that the aid spending would fall so it would be nought point five from 0.7 of national income , a temporary in , a temporary measure in response covid impact on response to covid 19 impact on the economy and aid spending has fallen peak of over £15 fallen from a peak of over £15 billion in 2019 to just 12.8 billion in 2019 to just 12.8 billion inches 2022. but as we just discussed, facing a cost of living crisis at home with hundreds and thousands of british families struggling to get by, surely we should be looking after those own looking after those in our own backyard? let's see what backyard? first, let's see what peter think of that.

peter and ben think of that. >> peter well, i think we can do both. britain should be big both. and britain should be big enough mature enough and enough and mature enough and affluent enough to be able to help people at home and help people abroad . and sure some people abroad. and i'm sure some of critics will point out of the critics will point out rightly, some individual line items in the aid spending that we'd struggle in we'd struggle to justify in these tough times like, well, these tough times, like, well, i think the one that's always quoted where a very small quoted is where a very small proportion of aid goes china, proportion of aid goes to china, which baffles me completely. but on aid spending. aid on the whole, aid spending. aid spending is a moral good and it's good for the countries in the long term. it's good for us. and i believe that lives particularly children's lives, are being sacrificed on the altar of libertarian ideology . altar of libertarian ideology. >> but well, first of all, let's just get one thing clear. it's not the withdrawal of british aid that is causing women and children to suffer. it is the setup in those countries that without our aid would naturally result in suffering. so the problem is an endemic problem in these countries and we mustn't

take it upon ourselves to, you know, protect and promote their welfare when they're not looking after themselves. you know , after themselves. you know, when, when, when, when the systems in their own country are inadequate. so i'm slightly tongue tied, but when the systems in their own country are inadequate for the purpose and i don't think putting sticking plasters on this problem resolves it. what we've got to do is have joined up thinking on a long term basis on a mutually beneficial basis to help these countries to create the infrastructure, to create their own form of welfare states so this doesn't happen again . this doesn't happen again. instead of us just pumping money into the ngos and other programs where we can't really account for where the money's gone. and i can tell you a lot of money that goes into pakistan, for example, never finds its example, never, never finds its way, never finds its to the way, never finds its way to the intended purpose . so i think intended purpose. so i think enlightened trade aid is a much better route than short term

aid. and the other thing to mention while we're at it is, you know, some of the biggest recipients, i mean, china is a very good example. it got 50 million year. india got million last year. india got around 50 million year. but around 50 million last year. but one of the biggest second largest recipient was nigeria. now is a famously rich, now nigeria is a famously rich, resource rich country which is nobbled, entirely by its corruption. now, why are we facilitating embedding a you know, a culture of corruption by looking after the people of nigeria and taking the burden off its off its off its officials, off its own government and of course, a large portion of the foreign aid now is going to pay for the £6 million a day that is used to house people who've crossed the channel illegally. >> so is again and then >> so this is again and then we're , oh, well, should we're saying, oh, well, should we're saying, oh, well, should we should giving well, we should be giving more? well, actually, could out actually, if we could sort out the that own the things that our own backyard, could backyard, then we could distribute of distribute the same amount of money. distribute the same amount of mo well, i suspect we're >> well, i suspect we're concerned about the redirecting

>> well, i suspect we're co the ned about the redirecting >> well, i suspect we're co the aid about the redirecting >> well, i suspect we're co the aid spendinge redirecting >> well, i suspect we're co the aid spending domestically of the aid spending domestically , different reasons. so , but for different reasons. so some viewers will be concerned about the total. but there's also folk like me who are concerned that that was aid financial aid earmarked for other parts of the world that's been rerouted to britain as a result of a policy failure by the uk government in respect of its own arrivals. >> so you're blaming the for >> so you're blaming the uk for people the channel from people crossing the channel from the safety of and we're the safety of france? and we're spending them? that's spending money on them? that's what i wouldn't what i'm hearing. i wouldn't put it like it you wouldn't put it like that, quite like that. >> think i've always >> so i think i've always said and agree with the and i don't agree with the labour party everything, but labour party on everything, but i on this that i do agree with on this that tackling small boats requires international and international cooperation and not nationalistic not a silly nationalistic statements suella braverman. >> that's not that's a >> but that's not that's a little bit unfair because she's actually trying the actually trying to do the international cause. it's a little isn't little bit slow, though, isn't it? seen the it? well, you've seen the hindrance home office hindrance that the home office have don't have given her. i mean, i don't think lot of them are sort think and a lot of them are sort of left wing. >> but, you know, a really >> but, you know, it's a really powerful point make. nana powerful point you make. nana a third of our budget for international goes on international aid goes on housing people in pimlico , four housing people in pimlico, four star hotels and so on that have

crossed the channel into this country illegally. and if that money was deployed in the enlightened way, building infrastructure in these countries can stand up countries so they can stand up on their own two feet, it would go a lot, lot further. the purchasing power parity for some of these developing countries compared to uk is there's a compared to the uk is there's a massive gap. so you can make a pound go so much further if you spend in a developing country spend it in a developing country than it on than if you're spending it on hotel fees. well, exactly. in in pimlico . pimlico. >> well, we'll be discussing that as well. in the that later on as well. in the next hour. i've got a monologue on all of talk about that. on all sorts of talk about that. but with us. is gb but stay with us. this is gb news tv, online and on news on tv, online and on digital as digital radio. still to come, as just stop pledge to bring just stop oil pledge to bring chaos premier league. chaos to the premier league. finally, police finally, finally, the police promised but promised to get tougher. but first, some weather . first, let's get some weather. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on . news weather on. news >> good afternoon. my name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast brought to you by the met

office. so today has been a much better weather wise for many compared to saturday. and this is because storm anthony's finally clearing away to the east. looking out to the west, there is an area of high pressure that might just bring something a little bit more settled for south on monday. settled for the south on monday. but we look the but as we look through to the rest of evening, showers rest of this evening, showers generally easing and becoming more and to northern more confined and to northern areas, plenty of clear spells elsewhere. and this combined with light winds, could bring the odd patch of mist and fog for some southern eastern for some southern and eastern areas . but it for some southern and eastern areas. but it will also mean that temperatures will drop readily widely readily tonight, more widely than what saw on saturday than what we saw on saturday night . rural areas seeing night. so rural areas seeing those temperatures into those temperatures drop into single will make single figures. this will make for a fresh but bright start to monday with plenty of sunshine around a few showers. once again across particularly northern areas , heaviest and most areas, heaviest and most frequent across northeastern parts of scotland . but after a parts of scotland. but after a bright start in the south—west, things starting to cloud over as this next area of cloud and rain moves in from the west, but

still feeling pleasant in that sunshine throughout monday. now looking to tuesday , plenty of looking to tuesday, plenty of cloud and rain once again moving erratically eastwards. quite a lot of low cloud mist and drizzle for western coasts, but dner drizzle for western coasts, but drier and brighter further north. and as we look towards midweek, it does look like things will be warming up with those temperatures getting around to the to maybe even around to the mid to maybe even high 20s that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on gb news as well . as well. >> if you just join me, welcome aboard. what have you been doing? we've got loads. still to come, minutes after 3:00. come, 23 minutes after 3:00. this gb news. coming up to this is gb news. coming up to keir changes his tune keir starmer changes his tune again, this time it's over again, but this time it's over hs2. i mean, as he just another run of the mill mill nimby can't even say that. but next the tate britain museum in london has been slammed for allowing books promoting gender swapping in children's libraries. i mean, can't we just let kids be kids?

next 27 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana. now, before the break, we were discussing lots of things. let's see what you've been saying with regard to keep coming. to it. just keep them coming. vaiews@gbnews.com tweet me vaiews@gbnews.com or tweet me at gb news. but has the world gone you know , this morning gone mad? you know, this morning when read the story the when i read the story in the mail sunday books promoting mail on sunday books promoting gender reassignment surgery,

puberty blockers and other trans ideology are freely available to read in a children's library at london's in a british art london's tate in a british art gallery. now the books include one story about someone called rick, aimed at 8 to 12 year olds, 8 to 12 year olds, about a teenager who discovers that they are asexual or seriously asexual . i didn't even know what it was all about until i was about 11. another book, kisses for jet, is about a 16 year old girl questioning her sexuality and genden questioning her sexuality and gender. throughout the book, gender. and throughout the book, there's references to adolescent sex, drinking, smoking, and in the end, jet receives her first hormone blocker . come on. the the end, jet receives her first hormone blocker. come on. the is just 16. seriously can't we just let kids be kids? i mean keeping them as far away as possible from this woke trans ideology? well, let's welcome back my panel well, let's welcome back my panel. former party mep well, let's welcome back my panehabib,1er party mep well, let's welcome back my panehabib, also party mep well, let's welcome back my panehabib, also a party mep well, let's welcome back my panehabib, also a former( mep well, let's welcome back my panehabib, also a former editor ben habib, also a former editor of the labourlist, peter edwards. oh god, why? >> , i mean, i think i think >> well, i mean, i think i think it's very, very wrong. it's very , very wrong to be trying to embed ideas in vulnerable,

unformed minds that deserve to be protected as they grow up. and it's got to be stamped on somehow . and it's got to be stamped on somehow. this promotion of minority interest, which is, you know, in itself dubious because often the promotion takes place at the detriment of the majority. but in this case, you know, there are 0.4% of the population is trans and yet it's being promoted and forced into our faces on a daily basis to and be doing it to children at school, i mean, it happens at school. i know we're talking about the tate gallery, but it happens at school and to be almost naturalised in it, it's not something to aspire to be to be trans. you know, one would hope that everyone is comfortable in their own body. one should, you know , that's the one should, you know, that's the settled status . if you're trans, settled status. if you're trans, then it's not a celebration. it's something that you are and you deserve every right to be trans. but it's not something

that we should be putting forward and promoting and putting on a pedestal is something terrific . something terrific. >> it isn't like people like costa with their mural where they've got the mutilation , they've got the mutilation, somebody's mutilated or it's like a cartoon character with a whole rainbow effect on there . whole rainbow effect on there. so it's something be so it's something to be celebrated someone's just celebrated that someone's just mutilated themselves. peter yeah, i don't agree with the language ben used because it reminds me of the reminds me of some of the language used about the gay community in what way? community in, in, in what way? >> so i think, i don't think comparing trans to the gay comparing the trans to the gay community, sure. i think i wouldn't word words like wouldn't use a word words like promoting it and people not being to celebrate being allowed to celebrate it. i think allowed think anyone should be allowed to identity. my to celebrate their identity. my concern tate story is concern about the tate story is i'm not talking about individual celebrating their identity. >> talking society at >> i'm talking about society at large celebrating trans gender transition is when ultimately it's a people call it gender dysphoria, which could answer your question. >> i think it's really important. so my concern is about the age, because actually i think being a teenager is tough. being a trans tough. i think being a trans teenager or a teenager questioning your identity is

even i don't think even tougher. but i don't think eight years old is the right time to have that discussion really. i think it's a bit too young and ideally you'd want that discussion to take place at home or in the school or perhaps in the gp surgery. so to me, the concern is age because eight years old, as you indicated earlier, when you're eight years old, you're thinking about all sorts of other things, aren't you? >> well, at eight years old, i didn't know what remember >> well, at eight years old, i dmet know what remember >> well, at eight years old, i dme when know what remember >> well, at eight years old, i dme when somebodyt remember >> well, at eight years old, i dme when somebody told�*member >> well, at eight years old, i dme when somebody told menber . me when somebody told me i think i was 11 at the time when somebody me all the somebody told me what all the bits i was like, bits were for, i was like, i knew they meant for knew they were meant for something. no idea was something. i had no idea i was about and when did you about 11 or 12. and when did you learn about the sort of. well, i mean, i you know, i was told about the and bees do about what the birds and bees do in context of what in the context of what my parents up to. parents were up to. >> and actually, the guy who told punch in the face told me got a punch in the face because you know, thought it because you know, i thought it was ing. but and, was quite disgust ing. but and, you think was about 12 you know, i think i was about 12 at that i that at the time that i had that conversation you conversation with him. so, you know, these children eight, know, these children are eight, but to go back to but i just want to go back to a point made nought point 4% point peter made nought point 4% of country are gender,

of the country are trans gender, a smaller number have a much smaller number have actually had the surgery in order to transition in a physical sense. and i think there is just far , far too much there is just far, far too much of trans promotion around . of trans promotion around. >> shouldn't we protect minority groups ? groups? >> absolutely they should be protected. but they shouldn't. the promotion of the of transgendering , it's everywhere. transgendering, it's everywhere. it's as if that is the mainstream and it's not. well, i'm a parent. >> that's not my experience at all. that there's trans ideas promoted everywhere. >> it's in the tate gallery , >> it's in the tate gallery, it's in children's syllabuses at school . why is it in any school. why is it in any children's syllabus? it just shouldn't be there . shouldn't be there. >> well, so you'd ban discussion of it at school at all? i would. >> i would absolutely ban it at school. even if you're 17 or 18 years old. absolutely. it's got it's to do the it's got nothing to do with the curriculum . curriculum. >> well, listen, what are >> well, well, listen, what are you touch. you saying? get in touch. vaiews@gbnews.com. you saying? get in touch. vai

enough? next, sir keir enough? but up next, sir keir starmer's hs2 starmer's hypocrisy over the hs2 project has exposed him as a massive nimby, not in my back yard. but first, let's get your latest news headlines . thank you latest news headlines. thank you very much, nana. >> i'm rory smith in the gb newsroom. the immigration minister says the first asylum seekers are to be housed on the bibby stockholm barge in the coming days. robert jenrick says around 50 people will enter the vessel in portland, portland, dorset this week . he insists dorset this week. he insists that increasing the numbers on the barge to the capacity of around 500 is still the plan. thus despite concerns from the fire brigades union over the vessel initially designed to house around 200 people, those who have been wrongfully convicted of crimes will no longer have their living costs docked from their compensation payments. new guidance issued by justice secretary alex chalk comes into immediate effect today. it follows the

controversy sparked by the jailing of andrew malkinson , who jailing of andrew malkinson, who spent 17 years behind bars for a crime he did not commit. he voiced his concerns that expenses may be deducted from his compensation , prompting his compensation, prompting downing street to make urgent amendments . a universe city amendments. a universe city building in ukraine was in flames in donetsk in the eastern part of the country, a region now under russian control . local now under russian control. local authorities blame the shelling on ukrainian forces that they claim are now using cluster bombs . the us claim are now using cluster bombs. the us sent claim are now using cluster bombs . the us sent cluster bombs. the us sent cluster munitions to ukraine last month, but kyiv has promised to use them only on russian forces, not civilian targets . an iconic 18th civilian targets. an iconic 18th century pub in birmingham has been gutted by fire just days after it was sold to a private buyen after it was sold to a private buyer. firefighters were called to the crooked house pub just before 1045 last night. the blaze was extinguished and no one was injured. it's affectionately known to many as the wonky pub that's due to its

unusual angle, where visitors would enjoy the illusion of coins and other objects seemingly rolling uphill along the bar. police are appealing for anyone with information about the fire to contact them . about the fire to contact them. that's the up to date. but you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website. thatis stories by visiting our website. that is gbnews.com. now, though, back to nana . back to nana. >> thank you, rory. in just a moment, sir keir starmer's accused of hypocrisy over backflipping on hs2. plus what are the police finally getting getting tough on? just stop oil. stay tuned .

39 minutes after 3:00. welcome on board. if you've just tuned in, where on earth have you been? we've got loads still to come here on gb news. i'm nana akua course, time akua. and of course, it's time for head . lots of you for head to head. lots of you have been getting in touch with your on the topics that your thoughts on the topics that we've . we talked your thoughts on the topics that we've foreign . we talked your thoughts on the topics that we've foreign aid. . we talked your thoughts on the topics that we've foreign aid. john. we talked your thoughts on the topics that we've foreign aid. john saystalked your thoughts on the topics that we've foreign aid. john says alled about foreign aid. john says all foreign redirected foreign aid should be redirected into the apart from in into the uk apart from in emergencies. no way should it be given to china and india. emergencies. no way should it be given to china and india . here, given to china and india. here, here, ronald says. is it not the responsibility of the british taxpayer to pay the social care bill for failed corrupt states

to give the people the referendum on foreign aid? and we will put an end to this ridiculous direction of travel overnight. laura says. i'd like to ask when it became the role of the civil service to proclaim that cuts in foreign aid will have a negative impact, should they not be a political. doesn't this lead to a bigger question regarding the role of the civil service? we discussed trans service? and we discussed trans and on that discussion , keith and on that discussion, keith says, should anyone feel the says, why should anyone feel the need to celebrate themselves? it's indicative of the narcissistic sickness that's taken hold of the west since the rise media. we'll keep rise of social media. we'll keep those thoughts coming . gb views those thoughts coming. gb views our gbnews.com or tweet me at gb news. but of course it's a big talking point in the high speed rail project that is of course, hs2. rail project that is of course, hsz. it's rail project that is of course, hs2. it's been causing all sorts of headaches the country, of headaches around the country, beset by delays, expected to cost more than £100 billion and causing divide among politicians. but the subject is also exposed, something else, massive hypocrisy . in the years massive hypocrisy. in the years before he was labour leader, sir

keir starmer ripped , heatedly, keir starmer ripped, heatedly, opposed hs2 , he said. but now? opposed hs2, he said. but now? well he's criticising the government for delay and not getting on with it. so keir, which side is he on or is he just a massive nimby like the rest of his labour friends? welcome again to my panel. former brexit party mep ben habib was a former editor of the labourlist peter edwards. they're going head to head peter as a as a labour man, i'm going to start you. to start with you. >> as i understand it, >> well, as i understand it, keir starmer called for a different route he different route when he was a backbench for camden, backbench mp for camden, which i think station in think includes euston station in his he didn't call his constituency. he didn't call for of it, but for the scrapping of it, but wouldn't it have circumnavigated for the scrapping of it, but wothouse,: have circumnavigated for the scrapping of it, but wothouse,: have circ|would gated for the scrapping of it, but wothouse,: have circ|would havei his house, though it would have gone because he's around gone past because he's around that area, isn't he? he's around the area. don't where the area. i don't know where he lives, was sort to lives, but he was sort of to avoid being too close to him. >> it feels like think all >> it feels like i think for all the accuse him of, the things to accuse him of, it's not every town house you're suggesting policy suggesting his changes policy and that because unlike america , don't , where cabinet ministers don't have link to a constituency or have a link to a constituency or a state, we do. >> and there's often a bit of tension between those two things. there's a precedent. i

looked michael gove , who's a looked up michael gove, who's a surrey objected to a 50 home surrey mp, objected to a 50 home development in surrey, and that caused controversy as well. but he was acting as a constituency mp, and i think it's right. we keep that link, so the tension is always going to arise. but did keir starmer and stop did keir starmer try and stop scrap hs2 ? no, he asked for it scrap hs2? no, he asked for it to a different route. to have a different route. >> what do you think? ben habib well, funnily enough i would have sympathy with have had more sympathy with keir if for outright if he'd gone for an outright might scrapped i >> -- >> buta >> but a different route is a nuanced acceptance of hs2 . and nuanced acceptance of hs2. and you know, look, keir starmer flip flops all over the place, doesn't he, all the time. and so it doesn't surprise me that he's flip flopped on hs2. had he called for its scrapping, i would have entirely supported him. he couldn't. but but. but >> well, he might still do it if he he might still popular. >> i mean actually i would scrap it even spent it now even though we spent a lot on it. we don't lot of money on it. we don't need we need a high need it. we do not need a high street line, a high speed line between and manchester between london and manchester and birmingham. we just don't need northern elements of

>> the northern elements of it. i would. and i would. i would. i would. and but good bits have been but the good bits have been scrapped. but the good bits have been sci�*ii'ped. doesn't make any >> i know it doesn't make any sense all, but do you think sense at all, but do you think then we look at it then overall, if we look at it as general thing, the as a as a general thing, the labour do you think that labour party do you think that do you think the conservative party now of making party are now sort of making inroads in the things that inroads in all the things that the this are the people of this country are are about the are concerned about and the labour showing labour party is showing themselves little themselves to be a little bit weak a bit u—turning weak and a bit u—turning and flip you know, flip flopping. i mean, you know, the conservative party is virtually the labour virtually as bad as the labour party got to bear in party and we've got to bear in mind there is general election mind there is a general election coming up next year and you know, this talk about know, all this talk about taking, you know, taking the foot pedal with net zero foot off the pedal with net zero is a reaction to what they're heanng is a reaction to what they're hearing the electorate. hearing from the electorate. it's genuine. it's not genuine. >> they supposed to >> do aren't they supposed to react to what they are? >> they they won't do >> but they won't. they won't do it. will double down it. rishi sunak will double down on, war on motorists. on, on, on the war on motorists. he'll double on zero. he'll double down on net zero. he'll double down on net zero. he be he won't be he won't be able to he won't be able to pivot away from it because we're bound by international treaty to deliver it. so be part of it. so he will be part of something that theresa may negotiated. well, put on negotiated. well, she put it on our then our statute books, but then bofis our statute books, but then boris johnson and david frost put into international treaty

put it into international treaty with the european union . so with the european union. so under the trade and cooperation agreement, we can't get off the net zero bandwagon. >> peter, i'm just coming to you with a similar question in terms of the labour party. do you think they are beginning think that they are beginning to. think they're to. do you think they're guaranteed of for guaranteed a kind of win for this next election, do you think? do you think it's think? or do you think it's definitely guaranteed a win? definitely not guaranteed a win? >> that's strong message >> and that's my strong message to think the to labour and i think the leader's office go through this all as well, when all the time as well, that when the shows 10 to 20 point the media shows 10 to 20 point poll maybe activists like poll lead, maybe activists like me excited. but me can get excited. but the leaders office say it's still up for grabs. the economy may rebound a bit. inflation is due to come down. and the thing is, a undecided voters in the a lot of undecided voters in the polls and we know that in 2015, lots of people made their mind up quite late. and that's helped do for ed miliband's hopes . so do for ed miliband's hopes. so i think to pick up your other think to pick up on your other point, i think the government does knackered. and think does look knackered. and i think people said people on the right have said that as the left, that as well as the left, whether things growing whether it's things like growing the i would the economy, that i would support or flights to rwanda, which i don't out they're struggling them. zero struggling on both of them. zero flights gone rwanda, for

flights gone to rwanda, for example. tories have example. and the tories have become their become really focussed on their own survival . you know, some own survival. you know, some would call it navel gazing , but would call it navel gazing, but surely job. surely that's your job. >> survive by surely that's your job. >> what survive by surely that's your job. >> what the survive by surely that's your job. >> what the people 'e by surely that's your job. >> what the people want, you doing what the people want, you know, sort of that's the job of being in power. you've got to survive and stay in. >> we a news >> every time we have a news bulletin this show, you see, bulletin in this show, you see, the tories aren't even able to deliver things they deliver the things that they want , even if don't want them. want, even if i don't want them. like stockholm like bibby stockholm them housing , housing migrants on a barge, even though disagree with even though i disagree with that. just a statement of that. it's just a statement of fact that they made promise fact that they made a promise and delivered on it. >> but gam- gam— it. >> but found out that what >> but we found out that what things about these things we found out about these dodgy not dodgy immigration lawyers, not all a lot them, all of them, but a lot of them, there to some sort of there seems to be some sort of incipient sort of creep of corruption the whole corruption within the whole situation. home office situation. also, the home office have got a lot to answer for as well. there's a civil servants who are supposedly cross—party, so was more i mean, we so they're was more i mean, we discussed earlier, didn't we, nana that £3.7 billion a year being spent on illegal migrants ? >> think 7 >> think about ? >> think about the 7 >> think about the vested interests that are going to be created by that government spending. everyone wants their mitts on it, whether you whether

you own a hotel or whether you provide services to the immigrants in some other way, food , security, health food services, security, health services, dentistry, all these people are going to have their fingers in the till of that £3.7 billion industry. >> it's an industry fingers in its heels. all right. there was a there was a newspaper expose, i think , of a couple of law i think, of a couple of law firms that appeared to be breaking i really breaking the rules. but i really don't like this phrase fingers in the till. >> w- w“ >> they found about 40 firms in total being total that were being investigated moment. investigated at the moment. >> these are interests , >> these are vested interests, ben said. >> fingers until criminality . >> fingers until i criminality. there are thousands. >> fingers until i criminality. thetheyz thousands. >> fingers until i criminality. thethey werersands. >> fingers until i criminality. thethey were proven to be i mean >> they were proven to be i mean there of them have been there are some of them have been arrested so on. arrested and so on. >> ben was talking an >> so ben was talking about an industry. give you industry. let me give you another of another example. thousands of people, probably including your viewers, are involved in volunteering , and volunteering at foodbanks, and so none of us have our so am i. none of us have our fingers in the till. i didn't. he's talking about the he's not talking about the general public. >> think talking about >> i think he's talking about the immigration. the industry of immigration. >> made up of >> the industry is made up of the public. i think the general public. i think fingers till. can fingers in the till. you can criticise on or criticise people on policy or ideology, but to say people have their their till. their fingers in their till. peter did, we were

peter if you did, we were talking about peter. >> talking about how >> we're talking about how illegal migration ian has had £3.7 billion a year spent on it and how that will incentivise people to take activities to create vested interest, to allow those vested interests to be bedded into the system and then do things to ensure to try and ensure that the illegal migration trade doesn't end because that's where their vested interest is . and i called vested interest is. and i called and i fraud in covid i and i call that fingers in the till . call that fingers in the till. >> well, what's your solution? >> well, what's your solution? >> my solution? it's very simple. use the internet law thatis simple. use the internet law that is already at our disposal . all un convention of law of the sea , which gives us full the sea, which gives us full rights as a nation to stop people from entering our territorial waters. if they're doing so for illegal immigration purposes. it's spelt out black in black and white in article 33 of john cleese all we need is the political will and courage to do it. and our government doesn't have the guts to do it.

that's what we need to do. and i know you're going to say, well, you can't stop boats in the channel well, actually can, channel well, actually you can, peter. refuse peter. you can physically refuse to them passage, require to allow them passage, require them go back france. them to go back to france. >> do want to have >> so do you want to have a waterborne confrontation with a boat for women and children? no, no neven i'io, never. >> never no, never. >> never any children in >> there's never any children in there hardly there or women. there's hardly ever women in ever any children or women in there. let's be there. it's mostly men. let's be straight that. they're straight with that. and they're usually children, usually if they are children, they're 19, 20, 21 they're usually like 19, 20, 21 year old kids. >> confrontation on confrontation , and you get them. confrontation, and you get them. >> listen, i think we should sunak me talking it. sunak heard me talking about it. you luxury you get some nice, nice luxury cruise that's what cruise ships, which that's what they keep them. keep they all are. keep them. keep them the channel everybody they all are. keep them. keep thengetthe channel everybody they all are. keep them. keep thenget on channel everybody they all are. keep them. keep thenget on theinnel everybody they all are. keep them. keep thenget on the cruise verybody they all are. keep them. keep thenget on the cruise ship,ody they all are. keep them. keep thenget on the cruise ship, you they get on the cruise ship, you protest the ship and then protest within the ship and then you people wherever the you take people to wherever the on so will you take people to wherever the on taken so will you take people to wherever the on taken from so will you take people to wherever the on taken from that so will you take people to wherever the on taken from that ship will you take people to wherever the on taken from that ship to will be taken from that ship to wherever, they're wherever, whether they're we're not for putting them not responsible for putting them in those little boats . in those little boats. >> into those little >> they got into those little boats volition boats of their own volition in france decided to make that france and decided to make that journey their own volition. journey of their own volition. we not responsible for their we are not responsible for their exercising, their free will by having a wrestling. absolutely >> but nobody's talking >> no, but nobody's talking about if someone's about if someone if someone's trying into your first

trying to break into your first floor night or do you floor window at night or do you say you open window and say do you open the window and say, in because bit say, come in because it's a bit safe if i deter you from coming into my house? safe if i deter you from coming intcthat house? safe if i deter you from coming intcthat ho not’ safe if i deter you from coming intcthat ho not analogous in any >> that is not analogous in any way, which is why no one laughing. >> absolutely analogous. >> it is absolutely analogous. these into these people are breaking into our suella braverman our country. suella braverman you don't like language? you don't like her language? she's absolutely right to say this invasion and we need this is an invasion and we need to repel this invasion . an and to repel this invasion. an and we have international law on our side to do it. we just don't use the law well, we've managed to swerve into this territory, but now we're in it. >> you final word to you. you've got about 30s on it. >> does the brexit party or reform anyone ukip believe reform or anyone in ukip believe illegal will reduce reform or anyone in ukip believe ill�*zero? will reduce reform or anyone in ukip believe ill�*zero? it's will reduce reform or anyone in ukip believe ill�*zero? it's a will reduce reform or anyone in ukip believe ill�*zero? it's a la will reduce reform or anyone in ukip believe ill�*zero? it's a la la.will reduce to zero? it's a la la. >> nobody's saying that it should be. >> land to think that >> la la land to think that nobody wants it be zero. nobody wants it to be zero. >> but just need a humane >> but we just need a humane system then to with it. system then to deal with it. >> it absolutely we should absolutely nil absolutely be targeting zero nil illegal immigration. absolutely be targeting zero nil illeyeah,1migration. absolutely be targeting zero nil illeyeah, but|ration. absolutely be targeting zero nil illeyeah, but can)n. achieve it >> yeah, but can we achieve it or do you want to have a wrestling match in the ocean with talking about >> nobody's talking about a wrestling the i wrestling match in the ocean. i don't understand why it turns out a wrestling match in

out to be a wrestling match in the you that the ocean. when you say that you're knocking, people you're actually knocking, people can board cruise ships can get on board cruise ships or something and you can something like that and you can process them why does it process them at sea. why does it why that? i don't understand why is that? i don't understand why i believe people why is that? i don't understand why and i believe people why is that? i don't understand why and will.ieve people why is that? i don't understand why and will lead people why is that? i don't understand why and will lead to ople refuse and it will lead to a confrontation sea. confrontation at sea. >> that's well, that's >> well, that's well, that's what believe. >> well, that's well, that's whtl believe. >> well, that's well, that's whtl don'tielieve. >> well, that's well, that's whtl don't believe border enforcement. >> i don't if there's >> i don't mind if there's a confrontation at sea. that's border why is border enforcement. but why is it called border force? >> it deter people? >> why won't it deter people? well at well we don't want to fight at sea. actually, be fair. let's sea. actually, to be fair. let's be fair. what we'd rather people didn't risky, dangerous be fair. what we'd rather people didn't risk risky, dangerous be fair. what we'd rather people didn't risk rislivesangerous be fair. what we'd rather people didn't risk rislives androus journey, risk their lives and support industry support a smuggling industry that the expense that is actually at the expense and people. but and misery of people. but listen, on. not just listen, let's move on. not just stop ben and peter. let's just stop because they're on the stop oil because they're on the menu. premier menu. next, as the premier league season gets into swing, just activists have just stop. oil activists have vowed weekend of just stop. oil activists have vowseason weekend of just stop. oil activists have vowseason glueing weekend of just stop. oil activists have vow season glueing themselves of just stop. oil activists have vow season glueing themselves to the season glueing themselves to turnstiles posts and even the pitch as well. although don't know how you do that slow marching front of traffic marching in front of fan traffic to disrupt game. honestly to disrupt the game. honestly finally, though, donna young, the new chairwoman of the association of police and crime commissioners, pledged to commissioners, has pledged to take on just stop oil activists . young believes that activists who block roads and target these

kinds events should be kinds of events should be remanded custody until they remanded in custody until they go trial. ithink remanded in custody until they go trial. i think she's on to go to trial. i think she's on to something. ben is she onto something? >> i'm peter. >> i'm peter. >> oh, actually, they're not you. sorry, i've gone the wrong way. they wouldn't have known. you should have quiet. you should have kept quiet. >> like a fantastic >> she sounds like a fantastic breath fresh not breath of fresh air. not only does to ensure that does she want to ensure that just protesters are just stop oil protesters are prevented from going in disturb other events once they've been arrested . she also wants more arrested. she also wants more charges being brought against people who been accused of people who have been accused of rape. she wants to rape. and she wants to breathalyse people on the spot. and if they found to be over the limit, driving banned instantly until they get a court hearing. and that kind of approach to policing needs to be expanded right across the board. and we would have a sea change in the way that this country operates on. you know, from an oil all sounds like a good idea because it seems to be the same people, especially the one with the pink hair purple one who hair or purple hair, the one who had jacob rees—mogg. had a go at jacob rees—mogg. >> went hysterical. the one >> she went hysterical. the one from stop seems to be

from just stop oil seems to be the people doing the same the same people doing the same thing. were kept in thing. if they were kept in custody trial, then custody until their trial, then they out do it again. >> i suspect there's a lot of people with in just people with pink hair in just stop oil. >> it's one specific. no, stop oil. >> no. it's one specific. no, stop oil. >> no. it's 0|you3ecific. no, stop oil. >> no. it's 0|you mentioned it, no, no. well, you mentioned it, but very, very but she's actually very, very specific one. >> and this lady who went >> and this this lady who went on show be on jacob rees—mogg show may be entirely be fair. >> no, i keep seeing her. i keep seeing her all these just seeing her on all these just stop the same stop oil protests. it's the same one. yeah. >> mean she's >> it doesn't mean she's breaking law, though, think. >> well, no. a lot of the things they are doing breaking the they are doing are breaking the law. is that if law. all i'm saying is that if they arrested, which i've they are arrested, which i've seen her go into the van, handcuffed whatever, instead seen her go into the van, ha allowing whatever, instead seen her go into the van, ha allowing everyone ever, instead of allowing everyone to come back perhaps keeping of allowing everyone to come back in perhaps keeping of allowing everyone to come back in until perhaps keeping of allowing everyone to come back in until perhapiskeeping of allowing everyone to come back in until perhapis theiing them in until the trial is the right well an arrest right idea. well an arrest is not as you would recognise. but anyway, oil. >> but anyway, just stop oil. i think all getting a bit think we're all getting a bit sick them because they have sick of them because they have broken one that broken the law. and the one that concerns lying on the concerns me is lying down on the street. don't street. but then you don't know whether business whether it's a small business owner or ambulance or owner or an ambulance or a police whose pathway police car or whose pathway you're think it will you're blocking. i think it will actually massive actually just be a massive pr own they and disrupt own goal if they try and disrupt football matches well, football matches as well, because many because i love football, many don't, and don't, but lots and lots and lots football lots of people watch football and of money

and there's lots of money involved in it and it's already very football very expensive. so if football matches get cancelled and a family, know, a parent child family, you know, a parent child has a couple of hundred has spent a couple of hundred quid going there, this will be a pr goal for an organisation, pr own goal for an organisation, perhaps for whom we're all losing sympathy. >> if you've seen some >> i mean, if you've seen some of in other countries >> i mean, if you've seen some of they in other countries >> i mean, if you've seen some of they takether countries >> i mean, if you've seen some of they take peopleintries >> i mean, if you've seen some of they take people off es where they take people off the road, literally lift road, they just literally lift them the then you them off the road and then you see going, and see these people oh, going, and one concrete stuck one of them had a concrete stuck one of them had a concrete stuck on that she had to on her hand that she had to carry along because the police had simply around had just simply bolted around it and go and she could just take, take go off mean , it is a off with that. i mean, it is a bit different america. bit different in america. >> i mean, policing. >> i mean, we have policing. >> i mean, we have policing. >> this was in >> i think this one was in italy, were in in italy, we were in italy in france it the same france as well. it was the same other countries got it. >> i think it's absolutely right. glue right. i mean, if they glue themselves the road or themselves to the to the road or whatever would whatever it is, i would absolutely pick them absolutely just pick them up and, you know, make sure that glue unstuck deposit glue came unstuck and deposit them. run them over. i >> you say just run them over. i know hardline. know you're quite hardline. >> no. wouldn't run >> oh, no, no. you wouldn't run somebody over, not without a good joking. you good reason. no, i'm joking. you just wouldn't do that. no, but that's isn't that's the problem, isn't it? you people that's the problem, isn't it? you very people that's the problem, isn't it? you very frustrated,aople that's the problem, isn't it? you very frustrated, and; getting very frustrated, and they be a death they may be in a life or death situation with a partner or take the wife was pregnant the guy whose wife was pregnant in you might in the car and then you might find that abiding find that that law abiding person and person does something bad and

they don't want to be. well, listen, i've got listen, ben and peter, i've got to you very much. it's to say thank you very much. it's a pleasure as ever. but stay with we've got still a pleasure as ever. but stay wi'come. we've got still a pleasure as ever. but stay wi'come. i don'tgot still a pleasure as ever. but stay wi'come. i don't know still a pleasure as ever. but stay wi'come. i don't know whether to come. i don't know whether you or you guys are going to stay or not, we've got loads still you guys are going to stay or nocome we've got loads still you guys are going to stay or nocome on've got loads still you guys are going to stay or nocome on the jot loads still you guys are going to stay or nocome on the wayoads still you guys are going to stay or no come on the way home, ill to come on the way home, secretary braverman to come on the way home, sec atary braverman to come on the way home, sec at labour, braverman to come on the way home, sec at labour, siriraverman to come on the way home, sec at labour, sir keir rman to come on the way home, sec at labour, sir keir starmer, out at labour, sir keir starmer, accusing sabotaging tory out at labour, sir keir starmer, accusito sabotaging tory out at labour, sir keir starmer, accusito the sabotaging tory out at labour, sir keir starmer, accusito the sabot.boat tory plans to end the small boat crisis and great crisis. and for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, labour to asking, do you trust labour to protect our borders? tuned protect our borders? stay tuned . that's on the way. but first, let's get some weather . let's get some weather. >> looks like things are heating up with boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on gb news as . as. >> good afternoon. my name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast brought to you by the met office. so today has been a much better weather wise for many compared to saturday. and this is because storm anthony's finally clearing away to the east. looking out to the west, there is an area of high pressure that might just bring something more something a little bit more settled for south on monday. something a little bit more sett as for south on monday. something a little bit more sett as we south on monday. something a little bit more sett as we looksouth on monday. something a little bit more sett as we look through monday. something a little bit more sett as we look through to onday. something a little bit more sett as we look through to the ay. but as we look through to the rest of this evening, showers generally generally and

generally generally easing and becoming confined to becoming more confined to northern plenty of clear northern areas. plenty of clear spells elsewhere. and this combined with light winds, could bnng combined with light winds, could bring the odd patch of mist and fog for some southern and eastern areas . but it will also eastern areas. but it will also mean that temperatures will drop readily tonight widely than readily tonight more widely than what saturday night . what we saw on saturday night. so seeing those so rural areas seeing those temperatures drop into single figures. will make for figures. this will make for a fresh but bright start to monday with plenty of sunshine around a few showers. once again across particularly northern areas , particularly northern areas, heaviest and most frequent across northeastern parts of scotland . but after a bright scotland. but after a bright start in the south—west, things starting to cloud over as this next area of cloud and rain moves in from the west, but still feeling pleasant in that sunshine throughout monday. now looking to tuesday , plenty of looking to tuesday, plenty of cloud and rain once again moving erratically eastwards. quite a lot of low cloud mist and drizzle for western coasts, but dner drizzle for western coasts, but drier and brighter further north. and as we look towards midweek, it does look like things will be warming up with those temperatures getting around mid to maybe even

around to the mid to maybe even high . looks like things are high 20s. looks like things are heating up . heating up. >> boxed boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. here's of weather on. gb news. here's what i've heard this is gb news by live on tv , online and on by live on tv, online and on radio nana where i've got my monologue on the way. >> we'll be discussing some of the trans issues. there's loads more to come in the next hour

good afternoon. it's 4:00. welcome to gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next two hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine , it's theirs. of it's mine, it's theirs. and of course, yours . we'll be course, it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing, and at times disagree. but no times we will disagree. but no one be cancelled . so one will be cancelled. so joining me today is author and broadcaster christine hamilton and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. but before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines . your latest news headlines. >> thank you very much , nana. >> thank you very much, nana. i'm rory smith in the newsroom . i'm rory smith in the newsroom. for those who have been wrongfully convicted of crimes will no longer have their living costs docked from their compensation payments , new compensation payments, new

guidance issued by justice secretary alex shaw comes into immediate effect today. it follows a controversy sparked by the jailing of andrew malkinson, who spent 17 years behind bars for a crime he did not commit. he voiced his concerns that expenses may be deducted from his compensation , prompting his compensation, prompting downing street to make urgent amendments . the national crime amendments. the national crime agency is teaming up with social media firms to crack down on posts by people smugglers who are encouraging asylum seekers to cross the channel. the prime minister says the new partnership between law enforcement and tech giants will tackle attempts to lure migrants into paying to make the journey . group discounts free spaces for children and offers a false documents . case are amongst the documents. case are amongst the posts that rishi rishi sunak wants removed to help achieve his promise to stop the boats . his promise to stop the boats. minister for immigration robert jenrick told gb news that deterrence is a key part of the government's plan to tackle the small boats crisis as the

overwhelming majority of those people coming on small boats are coming from france from a safe country with a well—functioning asylum system. >> there choosing to come to the uk and that must be in part because of a perception that the uk is a softer touch. that's why we're changing accommodation. that's why we're making it harder to live and to work illegally. in the uk, there's been a 50% rise in the number of raids this year by immigration enforcer meant to try and close down bogus employers who are breaking the law by employing illegal migrants. >> meanwhile , mrjenrick says >> meanwhile, mrjenrick says the first asylum seekers are to be housed in the bibby stockholm barge in the coming days. the immigration minister says around 50 people will enter the vessel in portland, port and dorset. this week. mrjenrick in portland, port and dorset. this week. mr jenrick says increasing the numbers on the barge to the capacity of around 500 is still the plan. that's despite concerns from the fire brigades union over the vessel initially designed to house

around 200 people. well it comes as shadow immigration minister stephen kinnock says a labour government would still have to house migrants in barges for short periods while tackling the backlog of asylum cases. labour government would also continue to place asylum seekers in former military bases for up to six months. kinnock blamed the conservative government for the current asylum situation, but could not say how long it would take. a labour government to reduce the asylum backlog of 172,000 cases. is ukraine's president, vladimir zelenskyy is accusing russia of bombing a blood transfusion centre in the north—west of the country. mr zelenskyy claims a number of people are dead and others are injured . but the president did injured. but the president did not disclose how many fatalities there are. he described the wave of overnight airstrikes in the eastern kharkiv region as a war crime there. so far been no comment from russia on the escalation of attacks from both

countries . meanwhile, countries. meanwhile, a university building was in flames in the donetsk in eastern ukraine. that's a region now under russian control . and local under russian control. and local authorities blame the shelling on ukrainian forces that they claim are now using cluster bombs. the us sent cluster munitions to ukraine last month, but kyiv has promised to only use them on russian forces, not civilian targets . an iconic 18th civilian targets. an iconic 18th century pub in birmingham has been gutted by fire just days after it was sold to a private buyen after it was sold to a private buyer. firefighters were called to the crooked house pub just before 1045 last night. the blaze was extinguished. no one was injured. it's affectionately known to many as the wonky pub , known to many as the wonky pub, as due to its unusual angle, where visitors would enjoy the illusion of coins and other objects seemingly rolling uphill all along the bar, police are appealing for anyone with information about the fire to contact them . there were nine

contact them. there were nine composer carl davis has died at the age of 86 . he first came the age of 86. he first came to prominence in the 1970s after his newly created musical scores for neglected, silent films give new life to the old art form. his work in the 1927 epic napoleon was given a cinematic release in 2016 amongst davis's many other credits was the bafta winning musical score for the bbc's 1995 adaptation of pride bbc's1995 adaptation of pride and prejudice, starring colin firth . this is gb news across firth. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying, play gb news. now though, back to nana . now though, back to nana. >> well, good afternoon. this is gb news on tv online and on

digital radio. i'm nana akua look , a man can never be a woman look, a man can never be a woman and a woman can never be a man. jk rowling has recently been cancelled again , this time by cancelled again, this time by the museum of pop culture in seattle. in washington ? why? seattle. in washington? why? because they're accused of holding super hateful and divisive opinions. but what is she actually said ? she said she actually said? she said stood up in support of maya forstater, who was forced out of a job for believing that biological sex is real. she took umbrage to the term people who menstruate , which i take umbrage menstruate, which i take umbrage to as well , she menstruate, which i take umbrage to as well, she said. people menstruate, which i take umbrage to as well , she said. people who to as well, she said. people who menstruate. i'm sure there used to be a word for these people . to be a word for these people. somebody help me out. one ben wimp and woomud. somebody help me out. one ben wimp and woomud . she's right. wimp and woomud. she's right. only women menstruate, for goodness sake. i mean , what's goodness sake. i mean, what's wrong with using the word woman 7 wrong with using the word woman ? how is this transphobic ? she's ? how is this transphobic? she's telling the truth . and she's had

telling the truth. and she's had to deal with ungrateful, averagely talented young actors who she made stars turning against her, like rupert grint, who played ron weasley. weasel by name. weasel by nature. he insists trans women are women and trans men are men . insists trans women are women and trans men are men. emma watson, who played hermione granger , she donated to the granger, she donated to the trans lobby charity mermaids and encouraged followers do encouraged followers to do exactly same. and daniel exactly the same. and daniel radcliffe, who played harry potter, claiming that young people had been hurt by j.k. rowling's comments . people had been hurt by j.k. rowling's comments. daniel, how do you think that jk feels or don't know, feelings matter and don't know, feelings matter and don't you think that young people will feel a whole lot more going through with more hurt going through with this experimental gender reassignment surgery and all the drugs involved? maybe detransition chloe cole could help you out after my breasts were taken away from me, the tissue was incinerated before i was able to legally drive. >> i had part. i had a huge part of my future womanhood taken from me. i will never be able to

breastfeed. i struggle to look at myself in the mirror at times. i still i still struggle to this day with sexual dysfunction and i have massive scars across my chest. and the skin grafts that they use, that they took of my nipples are weeping fluid today and they were grafted into a more masculine positioning. they said . you see, that's chloe cole. >> she's talking to the senate committee. look her up online. daniel a man can never be a woman and a woman can never be a man. i'll be honest. sometimes i get bored having to continuously point this out. and i know that you are too. but if i don't bang on and attention , on about it and draw attention, then gradual creep of trans then this gradual creep of trans ideology , which seems ideology, which always seems to result women losing will result in women losing out, will continue . but there now seems to continue. but there now seems to be a push on young girls to transition as brands like costa coffee are jumping on board this ideology with their ridiculous cartoon rainbow teenager mural proudly showing mastectomy scars in my view, glamorising the

nofion in my view, glamorising the notion that it's fine for a young girl to mutilate her body and remove perfectly healthy breast tissue to pursue an impossible goal and dr. martens have gone the same way with their limited edition boot, again portraying a similar image. yet anybody who dares point out this reality is castigated. i mean , what does jk castigated. i mean, what does jk rowling actually said that is transphobic ? the answer is transphobic? the answer is nothing . instead of twisting the nothing. instead of twisting the minds of the young during puberty or even younger, age seven, i read yesterday and inserting the suggestion that they can actually change sex, which we all know, even if deep down that this can never happen , then we should be teaching young people body acceptance . young people body acceptance. women are the only ones of the human species that can give birth . phasing out the reality birth. phasing out the reality of a woman is not a good plan, for goodness sake, for humanity sake, for goodness sake. and frankly , for the sake of women frankly, for the sake of women of which i am one, i will continue to draw attention to

this nonsense . the difference is this nonsense. the difference is really quite simple, and i am by no means the first one to say this, but. but if you leave 100 women with ten biological men on a deserted island , and after 100 a deserted island, and after 100 years, you'll probably have a thriving population. but if you leave 100 trans women on a deserted island with ten men in 100 years, you'll find the bones of 110 men. now i hear the argument that what if all the 100 women are infertile? well then in 100 years you'll find then in 100 years you'll find the bones of 100 women and ten men. you see, it's a fact. a man can never be a woman. and a woman can never be a man that's not transphobic . it's the truth not transphobic. it's the truth . so before we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate. this hour, i'm asking , do british debate. this hour, i'm asking, do you british debate. this hour, i'm asking , do you trust labour to asking, do you trust labour to protect your borders? home protect your borders? the home secretary, suella braverman, has accused and accused sir keir starmer and labour of sabotaging tories labour of sabotaging the tories plans to end the smalbroke

crisis . then at 450, its crisis. then at 450, its worldview , we'll cross to los worldview, we'll cross to los angeles with paul duddridge to get the latest on donald trump's legal plus russia legal issues. plus russia escalates the war in ukraine with the bombardment of missiles overnight . we'll get the latest overnight. we'll get the latest from russian journalist alexei v. tuned at 5:00. you v. then stay tuned at 5:00. you won't want to miss this week's outside. be joined by a outside. now i'll be joined by a british business legion and who built an extremely successful chain of jewellery stores the sultan of bling. he is known for a rather infamous gaffe . and a rather infamous gaffe. and that's coming up in the next houn that's coming up in the next hour. aslef, tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. email gb views. our gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb gbnews.com or tweet me at. gb news. right. let's get started. let's welcome again to my panel broadcaster and author christine hamilton and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. well, it's nice to see you, christine. i haven't seen you for a while. >> only a week . >> only a week. >> only a week. >> only a week. >> only last week. i didn't see you. oh, of course. you were my

million apologies. it's been about three weeks. yes, because then i was away with my knee, and goodness knows what you're quite. >> t know, you're quite. >> know, you're quite >> do you know, you're quite right. seems right right. it just seems so right to be sitting you with be sitting here next to you with clashing that clashing colours that i. >> aren't we? >> we are, aren't we? >> we are, aren't we? >> perfect , darling. >> we are perfect, darling. >> it's fabulous. >> it's fabulous. >> danny's got what >> even danny's got what he regards a colour on, regards as a bit of colour on, which would a very pale blue. which would be a very pale blue. >> i'm not one for colours when you're foot, four you're a six foot, four overweight, guy trying not overweight, fat guy trying not to too much . to stand out too much. >> you want to try and work danny. >> although never >> although that would never happen. never not stand out. >> you'd never not stand out. >> you'd never not stand out. >> need tell viewer >> i do need to tell the viewer the listeners, car the radio listeners, car benefit. a benefit. i've lost nearly a stone , which really pleased. stone, which i'm really pleased. >> looking very well. stone, which i'm really pleased. >> anothering very well. stone, which i'm really pleased. >> another stone ry well. stone, which i'm really pleased. >> another stone and ell. stone, which i'm really pleased. >> another stone and elibit go >> another stone and a bit to go . maybe. done . . two stone, maybe. well done. thank you. you'll do it very much indeed . much indeed. >> i'm going to >> you'll do so. i'm going to start christine. start with you, christine. i haven't a while. haven't seen you for a while. what you make of all of this? what do you make of all of this? honestly, sick. honestly, i'm sick. >> say, i >> well, may i say, i mean, most of monologues, your of your monologues, all your monologues of your monologues, all your mo that|ues of your monologues, all your mo that was brilliant. >> that was brilliant. >> that was brilliant. >> right . >> absolutely right. >> absolutely right. >> of course, she's just telling the been accused the truth. she's been accused of. it they said? of. what was it they said? she. she the problem . super she is the problem. super hateful views . i hateful and divisive views. i mean, what saying that it's only women who can menstruate. she's

also accused of using also been accused of using stereotypes and dated stereotypes. she wrote her first harry potter book nearly 30 years ago. we have changed since then. of course, there might be then. of course, there might be the odd date and the her the odd date and the way her stars .i the odd date and the way her stars. i mean, the odd date and the way her stars . i mean, who would know stars. i mean, who would know who? daniel radcliffe was or possibly emma watson if it possibly even emma watson if it hadnt possibly even emma watson if it hadn't harry potter? hadn't been for harry potter? she made them. way they she made them. and the way they have on i think i have turned on her, i think i actually think that is deeply hateful. it is awful. they have turned because hateful. it is awful. they have turnehave because hateful. it is awful. they have turnehave enormous because hateful. it is awful. they have turnehave enormous followings. they have enormous followings. they have turned so people they have turned so many people against her. she gets all these death it's death threats. i think it's absolutely . and of absolutely appalling. and of course, she's right. women cannot be. women women cannot be. women cannot, women cannot be. women cannot, women cannot be. women cannot, women cannot be men, and men cannot be women. and other thing women. and the other thing and i will annoys me hugely is will finish annoys me hugely is that women like you and me have to call ourselves supposedly cis women biological biological women or biological biological women. we're not. we are just women. we're not. we are just women. that's what a woman is. it's what a woman is. it's you andifs it's what a woman is. it's you and it's me. >> i thought you were generous by calling them average actors. daniel without daniel radcliffe, without a doubt. was the worst child doubt. is or was the worst child actor ever in the history of

cinema. >> did i say average? i apologise . apologise. >> no, no, none. you did. i called him average because i'm being being. called him average because i'm beiihe being. called him average because i'm beiihe bylng. as wooden as >> he was it was as wooden as one brooms. he flies one of those brooms. he flies around reason he around and the only reason he got was because the lad got the gig was because the lad looked potter looked like harry potter depicted books. i think depicted in the books. i think either those three are lying or they are the equivalent of modern flat earthers because modern day flat earthers because every scientist on the planet will you that trans will tell you that trans women cannot men . sorry, trans cannot be real men. sorry, trans women cannot be real women and trans men cannot be real men. now they're scientists who are saying, look, you're wrong. yet they continue to propagate this nonsense . yes, they are flat nonsense. yes, they are flat earthers. so i'd love to put them on a lie detector and just see if they're being sincere , see if they're being sincere, what they're saying. i don't think believe it. think they do believe it. i think they do believe it. i think just reeling out think they're just reeling out these because they these platitudes because they don't get cancelled. don't want to get cancelled. that's earnest belief. that's my earnest belief. >> wokeism is current >> wokeism is the current equivalent earth , isn't equivalent of flat earth, isn't it? subject of daniel it? on the subject of daniel radcliffe hopeless, radcliffe being a hopeless, i went equus . went to see him in equus. >> i saw him on the stage and i mean, really, equus is a wonderful play. >> naked, didn't he? >> he got naked, didn't he? well, he did. yes but that

wasn't much cop wasn't it wasn't much cop enhen wasn't it wasn't much cop either. i'm talking even either. but i'm talking even from that distance. >> it was tiny. >> it was tiny. >> i'm talking about his. >> it was tiny. >> i'm talking about his . are we >> i'm talking about his. are we talking about his tiny acting ability , his broomstick? ability, his broomstick? >> talking about daniel. >> we're talking about daniel. >> we're talking about daniel. >> kwasi. he's not as >> daniel kwasi. he's not as tall as you , is. tall as you, is. >> he is tiny, isn't he ? >> he is tiny, isn't he? >> he is tiny, isn't he? >> he's not. not a big guy. not like you, danny. >> not nothing against him. >> not nothing against him. >> what you're describing here. no. just to get back to the point, though. look, it's so frustrating . i just want bang frustrating. i just want to bang my head against a brick wall because 99% of modern day thinking lucid individuals know it's a load of baloney. they do. but we are suppressed and pushed back. and this lunatic in seattle who's decided to airbrush j.k. rowling and he's a he and sometimes he's a they all of this sort of ideology , of this sort of ideology, they're pushing us back because they're pushing us back because they hide behind this impenetrable shield of they're protecting minorities and they can be as nasty as they want, but of course, they are the minority. >> but of course. right. okay. so we have to obviously understand that some do

understand that some people do suffer gender so suffer with gender dysphoria. so we sympathy for that we have sympathy for that because have to have sympathy because we have to have sympathy for that because we acknowledge that somebody who's not comfortable with who they are, it's not great it's it's not a great feeling. it's not great feeling. nobody's not a great feeling. nobody's nice, is the almost nice, are we? is the almost glorification of it. and then the deception order to try and deceive all of us, to have to go along with the deception which we isn't i would you we know isn't true. i would you know, the other day know, i decided the other day that do that i'm not going to do the pronouns and don't pronouns anymore. and i don't mean rude, but i can't. if mean to be rude, but i can't. if a call him a man tells me to call him rachel, him rachel. but rachel, i call him rachel. but if that should call if he says that i should call him a she. i can't lie to my eyes anymore. >> know , if a man, if a if >> you know, if a man, if a if a man has fully transitioned to a woman, well, then, yeah, it looks like a woman and has done the business, then the whole business, then i'm very that i >>i -- >> i don't have a problem with that. what i do have a problem with is being made to say that that that a that a man is a is a is a trans woman, not a woman. thatis is a trans woman, not a woman. that is what i. but you're right. is a minority view. right. it is a minority view. and all of us and the majority of people i would hazard a guess who share our view. we are

frightened into submission because they see what's happened to j.k. and they don't to j.k. rowling and they don't want to to so want that to happen to them. so people don't want to put their head above the parapet about thislast. >> last. >> e sentence . i >> okay, last sentence. i disagree. think it's the disagree. i don't think it's the glorification of of glorification of any of these operations. it's the operations. i think it's the trivial, the cost coffee. trivial, the cost of coffee. >> you think? trivial, the cost of coffee. >> yeah,1ink? trivial, the cost of coffee. >> yeah, ink? trivial, the cost of coffee. >> yeah, i think that's trivialising. i don't think it's glorifying. it's glorifying. i think it's trivialising this life changing mutilation and making it almost acceptable , which and making acceptable, which and making a mockery of its experimental. >> they don't know what effects it will as you saw it will have. and as you saw with the people like chloe cole, it not great thing. and it was not a great thing. and she's very young. she's still very, very young. i think 21 it think she's, what, 21 now? it makes regret now makes her regret that even now women who've mastectomies women who've had mastectomies for other reasons too for cancer and other reasons too well listen, you joined well, listen, if you just joined us, board. this is gb us, welcome on board. this is gb news online and on news on tv, online and on digital still to come, digital radio. still to come, this outside my guest, this week's outside my guest, he's legend who built he's a business legend who built an extremely successful chain of jewellery stores, the sultan of bung jewellery stores, the sultan of bling . was described as bling. he was once described as he once described his goods with a four letter word that brought down his empire. he'll be live

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leader sir keir starmer of sabotaging the government's efforts to stop small boat efforts to stop the small boat crossings. now comes after crossings. now this comes after it was revealed a senior lawyer, leader , the charge against leader, the charge against blocking rwanda policy also blocking the rwanda policy also served as a race advisor to labour. served as a race advisor to labour . so served as a race advisor to labour. so can we really rely on labour. so can we really rely on labour to tackle the current crisis ? yes. or should could sir crisis? yes. or should could sir keir starmer's potential sabotaging weaken the labour party? so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking do you trust labour to protect our borders ? well, to discuss, i'm borders? well, to discuss, i'm joined by ben habib, former brexit party peter spencer , brexit party mep peter spencer, political commentator. dr. raqeeb hassan, senior adviser, exchange policy exchange, and peter edwards , former editor of peter edwards, former editor of the labour list. i'm going to start raqeeb ahsan. what start with raqeeb ahsan. what are your thoughts? can we trust them ? them? >> well, i think that nana in recent times i've seen far too many people in the labour party criticise us. >> the and many of the times these criticisms have been legitimate in terms of the government's immigration policy , but they failed to provide

alternate motives in terms of how do we have a well—ordered immigration system, how do we have a streamlined asylum system which prioritises integration? >> and i think a problem for me nanais >> and i think a problem for me nana is that there's far too many activists in the party who ultimately see britain or rather they see britain's role being some kind of open borders, international outpost, which is designed to maximise global welfare . welfare. >> but they don't realise that if you have this level of untrammelled immigration , an untrammelled immigration, an uncontrolled immigration , then uncontrolled immigration, then what that does, that has a potential to undermine social cohesion in modern day britain and it can also lead to a reduction in living standards for particular communities. >> so do you think we can trust the labour party then? are you because it sounds like you're saying from saying you're losing trust from them because the elements of their to just be their party seem to just be saying opposite saying the opposite to the government the time? government all the time? >> think truthfully, none. >> i think truthfully, none. i'd say have much faith say that i don't have much faith in wider british political in the wider british political establishment when it comes to having a responsible immigration

system for modern day britain . system for modern day britain. >> okay, peter spencer well, i mean, it's all very well for suella braverman to accuse the labour party of being somehow in cahoots with people smugglers. >> i mean, rishi sunak said something not so dissimilar a couple of weeks ago, which did not suit him one little bit because he's a gentleman politician. suits suella braverman very well because frankly, she's a yobbo politician when it comes yobbo you can't really call her that. >> she's not here to defend herself, although she'd do a good job of defending herself, i'll tell you that. carry i'll tell you that. now carry on. made the point. on. but you made the point. >> the point exactly. >> you make the point exactly. >> you make the point exactly. >> when comes to >> however, when it comes to what labour would do better , i what labour would do better, i mean, of course they've already admitted , in the short admitted, look, in the short term there's better they term there's nothing better they can because the whole can do because because the whole situation shambles situation is a complete shambles in the longer term. >> one likes to hope that they would foster far better international relations, notably with the french, to prevent boats from leaving the french

shores in the first place and longer term, they would hopefully really address this monumental disgust, disgraceful situation of the home office, simply not processing asylum claims on an industrial scale. they haven't got the staff. they haven't got the training. and for suella braverman to point the finger at labour, i mean , i the finger at labour, i mean, i mean comes to me as the mean it comes to me as the archetypal definition of chutzpah, if you like the kid that murders his parents and then stands up in court, demands clemency because he's an orphan. >> so. so does that mean that you trust the labour party or you don't? >> well, i think that they couldn't look , they couldn't couldn't look, they couldn't make worse job quite make a worse job of it quite frankly. i mean, the home office was ever the ministry for things frankly. i mean, the home office wasgoingthe ministry for things frankly. i mean, the home office wasgoingthe ministnitor things frankly. i mean, the home office wasgoingthe ministnitor tigone for going wrong, but it has gone . mean, you look, you look at . i mean, you look, you look at the this huge the situation of this huge backlog and of course, it's a monumental cost to the british taxpayer. also really taxpayer. it's also really upsets the people wherever these people are going to be. but and it danger when you it puts them in danger when you think floating barge, think of the floating barge, which out be which might turn out to be a floating grenfell and so you put

those things together there and you just think, well, why haven't they sorted the backlog? because it's the numbers that we're talking about here and they monumentally high and they are monumentally high and there's sign them getting they are monumentally high and the so, sign them getting they are monumentally high and the so, so sign them getting they are monumentally high and the so, so signidea1em getting they are monumentally high and the so, so signidea1erthattting so, so, so your idea is that actually couldn't possibly actually they couldn't possibly do a worse job? >> ben habib i mean, i agree with raqib . with raqib. >> i think there's no chance of the labour getting a grip the labour party getting a grip of problem. got to of this problem. we've got to remember it was tony who remember it was tony blair who opened up our borders in the first place. the labour party actually welcomes immigration , actually welcomes immigration, which is kind of bizarre because the labour party really ought to represent first and foremost the british worker . and represent first and foremost the british worker. and you represent first and foremost the british worker . and you know , british worker. and you know, migration at the rate at which labour practised it, effectively pulled the rug out from underneath british workers ability to earn a decent wage for, you know, a day's work. and that's part of the problem we're facing in a broader economy at the moment, that it simply doesn't pay to work. and we've become a dependency culture and it's lamentable that we rely on

open immigration for all the skills that we refuse to develop in the united kingdom. it's lamentable that we think immigrants should do jobs that british people are beyond and above doing . it's almost racist, above doing. it's almost racist, the kind of immigration we're practising is almost racist. and but it is nevertheless the labour party that champions it. and i suspect a lot of it has to do with the fact that they're embedding in, in, in the population a natural vote for laboun >> thank you. think that's what they're doing? peter edwards well i think there's a bit of paranoia in this debate, so let's start with the fact, according to ipsos mori, the pubuc according to ipsos mori, the public labour more than public trust labour more than the conservatives on migration. >> we also got be realistic. >> now we also got be realistic. labour's general elections labour's lost general elections because concerns over because of concerns over leadership and social security and migration. but labour is currently ahead. secondly, tories announced policies often in an anguished state at 4 pm. on a saturday to sunday. newspapers like the express, they announce policies like rwanda they can't deliver. so rwanda they can't deliver. so rwanda is wrong on the

substance, but they also can't do it anyway. and whatever ends up page of the up on the front page of the sunday express is no guide to future immigration policy because government are because the government are making go along. making it up as they go along. >> all right. so it's or >> all right. so it's a yes or no for of you, please no for more of you, please just yes no then. be yes or no then. can labour be trusted to deal the trusted to deal with the borders, think you borders, do you think? do you trust habib no . trust labour? ben habib no. peter spencer yes . raqib no. peter spencer yes. raqib no. >> and i'd also include the conservative party in that as well. if truth be told and peter redwood's labour can work hard and earn the trust. >> so what is that? yes or no? >> so what is that? yes or no? >> yes, but it takes time . >> yes, but it takes time. >> yes, but it takes time. >> no? just one, he said >> yes or no? just one, he said . yes. brilliant. thank very . yes. brilliant. thank you very much. edwards to much. peter edwards. great to have you on board. the sun. also peter and habib , peter spencer and ben habib, thank for your thank you so much for your thoughts. what do you think thoughts. well what do you think then? think can trust then? do you think you can trust labour? can they do you think they could manage our borders? they so keir they keep flip flopping. so keir starmer, this is gb news on onune starmer, this is gb news on online radio. i'm online and on digital radio. i'm nana after break, nana akua after the break, we will continue with this great british debate. this year and i'm do you trust labour

i'm asking do you trust labour to our you'll to protect our borders? you'll hear the thoughts of my panel, author broadcaster christine author and broadcaster christine hamilton, and hamilton, also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. but first, your latest first, let's get your latest news headlines . news headlines. >> thank you very much, nana . >> thank you very much, nana. i'm rory smith in the gb newsroom . the immigration newsroom. the immigration minister says the first asylum seekers are to be housed on the bibby stockholm barge in the coming days . bibby stockholm barge in the coming days. robert jenrick bibby stockholm barge in the coming days . robert jenrick says coming days. robert jenrick says around 50 people will enter the vessel in portland port in dorset this week . he insists dorset this week. he insists that increasing the numbers on the barge to the capacity of around 500 is still the plan . around 500 is still the plan. that's despite concerns from the fire brigades union over the vessel. initially designed to house around 200 people. those who have been wrongfully convicted of crimes will no longer have their living costs docked from their compensation payments . this new guidance payments. this new guidance issued by justice secretary alex chalk comes into immediate effect today . it follows the

effect today. it follows the controversy sparked by the jailing of andrew malkinson , who jailing of andrew malkinson, who spent 17 years behind bars for a crime he did not commit. he voiced his concerns that expenses may be deducted from his compensation, prompting downing street to make urgent amendments . a university amendments. a university building has come under attack in the donetsk in eastern ukraine, a region now under russian control. local authorities blame the shelling on ukrainian forces that they claim are now using cluster bombs. the us sent cluster munitions to ukraine last month, but kyiv has promised to only use them on russian forces, not on civilian targets . an iconic on civilian targets. an iconic 18th century pub in birmingham has been gutted by fire just days after it was sold to a private buyer . firefighters were private buyer. firefighters were called to the crooked house pub just before 1045 last night. the blaze was extinguished. no one was injured. it's affectionately known to many as the wonky pub. that's due to its unusual angle

, where visitors would enjoy the illusion of coins and other objects seemingly rolling uphill along . police are along the bar. police are appealing for anyone with information about the to fire get in touch . that's the up to get in touch. that's the up to date. but you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website. that is gbnews.com. now go back to nana . now go back to nana. >> you're with me. i'm nana akua . this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. still to come, it's this week's outside. my come, it's this week's outside. my guest , he come, it's this week's outside. my guest, he was he's a british business legend who built an extremely successful chain of jewellery stores, the sultan of bling he was once described as and also he described as goods with a four letter word, which brought down the empire . who do brought down the empire. who do you think he could be? not the empire, british empire. empire, not the british empire. his empire you'll out very his empire. you'll find out very

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welcome back. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. if you've just joined us, it's just coming up to 39 minutes after 4:00. i'm nana akua. we are the people's channel and it is now time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, you trust labour i'm asking, do you trust labour to borders ? home to protect our borders? home secretary suella braverman has accused labour leader sir keir starmer of sabotaging the government's efforts to stop

small boat crossings. now this comes it was revealed comes after it was revealed a senior lawyer leading the charge against blocking the rwanda policy also served as a race advisor to labour . so policy also served as a race advisor to labour. so can we rely on labour to tackle our current migrant crisis or should secure starmer's potential sabotaging weaken the labour party? i mean, if that's how you see it. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking do you trust labour to protect our borders going start with borders? i'm going to start with you, danny do trust you, danny. do you trust them? >> know? was great >> do you know? it was great this morning gb news. i saw this morning on gb news. i saw neil and stephen neil kinnock and stephen kinnock, was i think a kinnock, who was i think he's a labour frontbencher , actually labour frontbencher, actually accepting and conceding the fact that they're going to put people on top of not on top on board these the bibby, what's it called ? stockholm. a called? bibby stockholm. it's a floating portland. the floating hotel portland. the mental about it is if the mental thing about it is if the hotel was just 50 yards to the right on cement, no one would be kicking but they'd be kicking off. no, but they'd be kicking off. >> wouldn't kicking >> but they wouldn't be kicking it. it would be it would be it. it would just be it would be a hotel. a seaside hotel. >> well, is literally a sea >> well, this is literally a sea hotel. to see >> well, this is literally a sea hoteconceding to see >> well, this is literally a sea hoteconceding the to see >> well, this is literally a sea hoteconceding the point see >> well, this is literally a sea hoteconceding the point that him conceding the point that these things are quite easily

liveable in their nice clean. they'll be warm in the in the winter. so was good concession. >> apparently, though there a fire hazard there. but wouldn't you the water? fire hazard there. but wouldn't you exactly. the water? fire hazard there. but wouldn't you exactly. so the water? fire hazard there. but wouldn't you exactly. so youe water? fire hazard there. but wouldn't you exactly. so youe wejump well, exactly. so you can jump into the water like the short access to water. >> you're in water if it's a forest and then you've got water around you. yeah that's right. you yourself into into the you dive yourself into into the water. and what i can't wait for nanais water. and what i can't wait for nana is that if labour are successful and people are saying that going be that they're going to be successful starmer successful is when keir starmer the box. how can he the despatch box. how can he defend all of those questions ? defend all of those questions? when questioned prime when he questioned tory prime ministers able ministers about not being able to dinghies and of to control the dinghies and of course he's not going to be able to dinghies. to control the dinghies. he's not. no, no, he said not. no one can. no, no, he said he's going to negotiate with the french. how many tens of french. well how many tens of millions we millions of pounds are we throwing he says throwing at the french? he says he's go after the he's going to go after the gangmasters. well, how many times up the times have we been up to the gangmasters? all of these platitudes roles will be platitudes are the roles will be reversed. going be reversed. it's going to be hilarious. don't trust hilarious. so no, i don't trust them, going to be them, but it's not going to be hilarious because we're the ones that going to have with that going to have to live with it. christine >> christine well, no, i absolutely don't trust them.

>> tony blair who >> i mean, it was tony blair who started the floodgates because he that he knew perfectly well that immigrants were more likely to vote they to vote labour than they were to vote labour than they were to vote when vote conservative. that's when labour vote conservative. that's when laqur vote conservative. that's when labi don't whether they >> i don't know whether they are, though. >> may not be so true, >> well, it may not be so true, but you where all the but if you look where all the big labour big concentrations of labour voters there voters are, they're where there are big concentrations of immigrants. labour's immigrants. it's not in labour's interest i don't interest and i don't believe them. course they may them. yes, of course they may allow stockholm, but allow the bibby stockholm, but i mean 500 people, they pack it mean 500 people, if they pack it to the rafters, is a drop in the ocean.i to the rafters, is a drop in the ocean. i mean, no, christine, about what you we've now about what you said, we've now got net, we've got 600,000 people coming in in every year. thatis people coming in in every year. that is doubled over the last 20 years. i mean, when is this going to stop? i don't actually have any faith in the tory government doing anything about it. stockholm and it. this the bibby stockholm and even rwanda policy, it's even the rwanda policy, it's sort tokenism there. even the rwanda policy, it's son buttokenism there. even the rwanda policy, it's son but christine there. even the rwanda policy, it's son but christine ,�*|ere. even the rwanda policy, it's sonbut christine , i'm. even the rwanda policy, it's sonbut christine , i'm not sure >> but christine, i'm not sure i'm going to because a lot of people have said that the immigrants are likely to immigrants are more likely to vote don't know. vote labour. i don't know. i think lost their way think labour have lost their way with core with their core vote, their core vote working vote would have been working class people. that has class people. that ship has sailed. and now, as for the immigrant population, i don't know whether their policies

actually reflect or support those populations well those populations either. well but i don't think the tory party represents the working class any more. >> so certainly not. well, i'm not do because they not sure they do because they have conservative small c have core conservative small c beliefs and philosophies and the tory party have abandoned all that. no, no taxation. i would agree with with christine about mass immigration voting. >> labour and i would qualify that because from the west midlands i've driven 96 miles to get here. but the city of birmingham you have labour councillors, not a single blue seat the inner city seat in any of the inner city areas. so i would concur and these would be pakistani, bangladeshi, indian areas. bangladeshi, west indian areas. so would concur . now whether so i would concur. now whether that's just because they're used to that's just to it or whether that's just basically ignorance because basically an ignorance because they haven't opened their eyes as to conservativism can do as to what conservativism can do for communities in for local communities in liverpool, for example, you are indoctrinated into into voting laboun indoctrinated into into voting labour, you are brainwashed to vote labour. >> the same the red wall. >> the same for the red wall. >> the same for the red wall. >> well , but >> the same for the red wall. >> well, but i'm to >> well, but what i'm trying to get that i suggest get to is that i would suggest it's inner it's the same for inner city working diverse areas. working class diverse areas. >> that be >> well, that would be interesting to see. mean, if interesting to see. i mean, if

that the case. but i'd rather that is the case. but i'd rather not frankly, don't not see it, frankly, i don't think that the labour party are capable running this country capable of running this country . time done it, . every time they've done it, they've run into they've drawn it run it into the ground a lot of the ground and a lot of the policies, for example , the policies, for example, the austerity, the conservative party have been trying to catch up and austerity that was up and the austerity that was left to them by a labour government. find government. so i find it a little unfair people little bit unfair when people constantly say, oh, the tory party, trying party, well, they're only trying to was left for to fix a mess that was left for them and tony blair was behind a lot of that. >> the only we're going to >> the only way we're going to get this mess get out of this mess is by coming out of the echr. i got that right. yes. human echr that's right. and the un convention on on refugees says, but while we're still curtailed by those two and we've got foreign people who can tell us what we can and we can't do and we've all these immigration we've got all these immigration lawyers £10,000 a time lawyers charging £10,000 a time to get people to subvert the system just that you've system or just say that you've been tortured . say this, say been tortured. say this, say that. coach, the coach. that. say the coach, the coach. >> him that you're >> tell him that you're a homosexual. >> i suppose they would argue homosexual. >> i susome they would argue homosexual. >> i susome they goodi argue homosexual. >> i susome they good onese there's some some good ones amongst well, amongst them, but. well, of course there more course there are. there are more good them are under

>> plenty of them are under investigation. 40, of these fans. >> well, it's easy for money them, it? >> well, it's easy for money the but it? >> well, it's easy for money the but ibut please, let's >> but but, but please, let's not into knowing not be naive into knowing that these young, mostly men, young men into what to say. >> well, a lot of them are. and obviously, know, suella obviously, you know, suella braverman up this. braverman has come up with this. he's the social he's talking to all the social media well get media platforms as well to get them to stop all this sort of advertising of sort of advertising of these sort of services online. advertising of these sort of services i ynline. advertising of these sort of servicesi mean , while we're on >> and i mean, while we're on the subject of suella braverman, she has stood out so bravely about all this. i'm not saying she's been successful or is going to be terribly successful. and look at the flak and the hatred that she gets, largely, i'm because she's woman. i'm sure, because she's a woman. it absolutely unbelievable it is absolutely unbelievable the stuff that i don't think it's because she's a woman. >> don't think it's because >> i don't think it's because people she's i think people and she's tough. i think it's lot of it's because there's a lot of left who left leaning individuals who like hashtag kind like to play the hashtag be kind card, that are like to play the hashtag be kind card, kind that are like to play the hashtag be kind card, kind by that are like to play the hashtag be kind card, kind by calling are like to play the hashtag be kind card, kind by calling you are being kind by calling you fascist. and this and that. and yet they're doing what they're claiming you are. and supposedly helping out a situation that is actually by smugglers and actually run by smugglers and there's a big drug cartel , there's a big drug cartel, people trafficking cartel , all people trafficking cartel, all of that.

>> and i do think it's worse because she's a woman, these lefty millionaires very wealthy. >> they mostly live in white enclaves, by mass immigration. >> well, and a lot of the people who out about it, there >> well, and a lot of the people who a out about it, there >> well, and a lot of the people who a slightly about it, there >> well, and a lot of the people who a slightly encouragingere >> well, and a lot of the people who a slightly encouraging thing was a slightly encouraging thing in the day that was a slightly encouraging thing in french the day that was a slightly encouraging thing in french authorities,day that the french authorities, the border authorities , the coastal border authorities, the coastal authorities had had an altercation with the people smugglers. >> thought, hooray, they >> i thought, hooray, last they are with them. i are interacting with them. i don't know what came of it, but at possibly, possibly at least they possibly, possibly were trying to do something with them. >> weren't assisting them. >> they weren't assisting them. maybe a danny maybe they needed to get a danny boy. you cynical about 20 of boy. you are cynical about 20 of danny's on the side and every time somebody about get time somebody is about to get in, dinghy, sinks in, the dinghy, dinghy sinks danny johnson and the dinghy sink danny johnson and the dinghy sinibut in water that's >> but it's in water that's high. one's going to drown high. no one's going to drown unless you're can't unless you're a. it can't be impossible these impossible to stop these dinghies getting the coast. dinghies getting to the coast. >> surely it can't be. >> surely it can't be. >> but where there's a will, there's there there's a way. but is there a will? and that's the question. but this is nothing without you and views. welcome but this is nothing without you an

reid . john, nice to see you. do reid. john, nice to see you. do you trust the labour party then to secure our borders, to keep us safe ? us safe? >> i don't trust any politician on their own to keep the borders safe. but the answer to the problem surely is staring us all in the face. if we had an immigration policy where anybody arriving at the border was quickly and i'd say quickly worked out whether they were going to be any use to the country or not. so for example, if they had work to go to or they had a home to go to, they weren't going to be a drain on our community at all. we would let in. and if that wasn't let them in. and if that wasn't the we'd put them on the the case, we'd put them on the first and get them to first plane and get them back to where tell where they started. i can tell you , as you know, nana are going you, as you know, nana are going to a bit. and i've spent to prisons a bit. and i've spent recently an amount of time with an albanian illegal immigrant. now he's not a good example of the albanian immigrants because he's in prison. he's done wrong. however when you talk to him

about the journey he made to get here in the back of a lorry, it's incredible. and i don't think many people realise what this journey consists of. so i would have a working, viable process. they'd come into the country , they would be quickly country, they would be quickly worked out whether they were going to be any use to us or not. >> but won't that put off people from well, is it. but how is that fair for the people are that fair for the people who are doing actual proper visa doing the actual proper visa process a visa? you process and doing a visa? you know, if if i thought i could know, if i if i thought i could just jump on a dinghy, i could circumnavigate all the visa situation and just then they'll see if i'm useful. i'm in. why would that make anyone want to apply would that make anyone want to apply officially? why >> well, those that arrived, the way they are at the moment form most of the problem, don't they? we collect them mid english channelin we collect them mid english channel in a lifeboat and some we fetched them in and then we put them in a hotel or in the bibby boat or or god knows where else. we put them else. you know, we put them somewhere. them somewhere. we find them somewhere. we find them somewhere and we then somewhere to live and we then spend months and months and months deciding whether we want

to them or well, i'm to keep them or not. well, i'm suggesting is that we do it rather more quickly. >> we'd all like to do it >> well, we'd all like to do it a little bit quickly, john. >> well, we'd all like to do it a litt|tellt quickly, john. >> well, we'd all like to do it a litt|tell you quickly, john. >> well, we'd all like to do it a litt|tell you thatrickly, john. >> well, we'd all like to do it a litt|tell you that forly, john. >> well, we'd all like to do it a litt|tell you that for nothing. i can tell you that for nothing. john you much, john reid, thank you very much, as great voice. great. >> we've a backlog of >> we've got a backlog of 160,000 cases asylum cases 160,000 cases and asylum cases waiting to be heard. we can't possibly just suddenly process the ones. wouldn't be fair the new ones. i wouldn't be fair on those who'd be waiting. >> do with the new >> what you do with the new ones is he's on is rishi sunak. i think he's on to something he's taken is rishi sunak. i think he's on to sidea.hing he's taken is rishi sunak. i think he's on to sidea. cruise he's taken is rishi sunak. i think he's on to sidea. cruise ships he's taken is rishi sunak. i think he's on to sidea. cruise ships around ken is rishi sunak. i think he's on to sidea. cruise ships around the my idea. cruise ships around the uk . then they the cruise uk. then they get in the cruise ship. for new ship. this is for the new ones whilst the whilst we're processing the other ones. and then these ones don't board come to don't come on board and come to the uk until they've worked out whether they're official. >> about to whether they're official. >. remote about to whether they're official. >.remote scottish about to whether they're official. >.remote scottish island? to whether they're official. >.remote scottish island? no to whether they're official. >.remote scottish island? no no,» a remote scottish island? no no, don't do that. that's cruise ships. luxurious remote ships. a luxurious remote scottish ships. a luxurious remote sco right . you're with me. ships. a luxurious remote scoright . you're with me. i'm >> right. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. keep them channel tv, them in the channel on tv, onune them in the channel on tv, online and on digital radio. still week's out still to come, this week's out side joined by side guest, i'm joined by british business legend. he built an extremely successful chain of jewellery stores. he was termed the sultan of bling. and once described his own goods with a four letter word that

brought down his empire and at the height of his accessory, empire, he had over 250, 200, 2500 stores. any guesses? all will be revealed very shortly , will be revealed very shortly, just after 5:00. >> looks like things are heating up . boxed boilers proud sponsors up. boxed boilers proud sponsors of weather on . gb news get afternoon. >> my name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast brought to you by the met office. so today has been a much better weather wise for many compared to saturday. and this is because storm anthony's finally clearing away to the east, looking out to the west , there is an area of high west, there is an area of high pressure that might just bring something more something a little bit more settled south monday. settled for the south on monday. but we look through to the but as we look through to the rest this evening, showers rest of this evening, showers are and are generally easing and becoming confined to becoming more confined to northern . plenty of clear northern areas. plenty of clear spells elsewhere . and this spells elsewhere. and this combined with light winds , could combined with light winds, could bnng combined with light winds, could bring the odd patch of mist and fog southern and fog for some southern and eastern areas. but it will also

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it's time for worldview. russia has launched a multi wave overnight attack on ukraine with 70 assault weapons, including iranian made drones. joining me to talk about this is russia international journalist alexi veer. he's there live in russia. now so, alexi, talk to me about russia doubling its military spending in 2023. is this right ? is this what we're getting ? ? is this what we're getting? >> hello, nana. yes according to reuters, in 2023, russia has doubled its military spending and now it reached some 10 trillion rubles, which is roughly an equivalent of £83 billion, which seems like a lot. but well, let's put it into perspective of as you remember last year, russia launched what it called special military operation in ukraine. >> so russia is conducting that that military well, that military action that is obviously taking a lot of money. but let's put it into perspective. russia still remains the fourth country in the ranking of all countries, according to its military

spending. for example, the united states spent some 200, $778 billion on its defence and even the united kingdom spends roughly more on its defence that russia so of course this special military operation is taking a lot of russia's resources, which we should probably evaluate, according to russia's gdp, which is russia's military is well, russia's military spending is only 3.9. but i think this number is going to grow in the future. >> so, alexi, talk to me about this summit then in saudi arabia on end the war in ukraine on how to end the war in ukraine and what russia's reaction was to it . to it. >> well , this weekend in jeddah >> well, this weekend in jeddah in saudi arabia , some 40 in saudi arabia, some 40 countries have assembled for a summit to find some possible solutions to the military conflict in ukraine. one reason why this summit was probably not going to succeed from the very beginning is that russia is not among those 40 countries, those 40 countries are mostly developing nations that have been affected by the been harshly affected by the food crisis because. well, i remind you that ukraine is a major grain exporter and earlier

this month, russia withdrew from the grain deal. so those countries are hardly affected . countries are hardly affected. what we should probably draw attention to is that china participated in this summit. and while i remind you that china has remained neutral and has refused condemn russia's refused to condemn russia's military action in ukraine, according to beijing , zelenskyy according to beijing, zelenskyy peace formula, which includes security guarantees for ukraine and guarantees of ukraine's territorial integrity . this territorial integrity. this peace formula has not been discussed. what has been discussed. what has been discussed is moscow's red lines and saudi arabia's own plan because saudi arabia has come up with its own peace solution, which would include a unbrokered negotiations between ukraine and russia as well as immediate ceasefire when it comes to the kremlin's reaction, dmitry peskov, president's spokesperson , he said that russia is closely monitoring all peace initiatives at the same time. the time is not ripe for negotiations with ukraine. according to the kremlin, russia , russia's former president. >> we're running out of time, so i'm going to have to travel to

the states now. but always good to catch up with you. thank you very we talk you. very much. we will talk to you. we'll catch you next very much. we will talk to you. we'll that's you next very much. we will talk to you. we'll that's lexi. you next very much. we will talk to you. we'll that's lexi. let's next very much. we will talk to you. we'll that's lexi. let's travel week. that's lexi. let's travel over we're to over to america. we're going to have with host have a quick chat with the host of the politics people podcast, paul find out all paul duddridge, and find out all about indictment, about the trump indictment, because that's because this is something that's running oh, running and running. paul oh, okay. so where are we with the trump indictment? >> , it's just witchhunt >> well, it's just witchhunt week . week. >> um, 720. >> um, 720. >> i think there's actually it's actually quite a fast moving story. >> i don't know if anybody's picked up on this a few days ago. >> everybody is crowing about the fact that fantastic trump is going be able be in open going to be able to be in open court and is going to be able to depose witnesses so depose and subpoena witnesses so that he finally get his day that he can finally get his day in and out how how in court and point out how how he believes the 2020 election was stolen . but just in the last was stolen. but just in the last 48 hours, what's happened is trump made a comment on truth social saying if you come for me, i'll come for you . and now i me, i'll come for you. and now i think the prosecutor in jack smith, the prosecutor in this case, has figured out that they

have kind of slightly left a loophole where trump could prosecute this in the public arena and actually have the evidence looked at that the election was stolen on. and so they're trying to close that down. so the prosecutor is trying to get a special order from the judge because of this. um truth social tweet , for want um truth social tweet, for want of a better word. he has asked for a special order, which is going to start controlling the discovery stage of this election. so they are trying to close every avenue down for trump to have a true day in court. this is he is being this is beyond a witch hunt. this is now just barbaric. they're practically the dunking stool. >> yeah, terrible . and very >> yeah, terrible. and very briefly, 10s on desantis as well i >> desantis has come out today and said that trump is completely wrong about the election being stolen. and also desantis is desantis's funders . desantis is desantis's funders. donors are starting to pull out because of his extreme views on abortion , which is what we've abortion, which is what we've talked about over and over

again. his extreme views on again. it's his extreme views on abortion lose abortion that will lose this election. abortion that will lose this eleywell, listen , thank you very abortion that will lose this eleywe paulten , thank you very abortion that will lose this eleywe paul duddridge. you very abortion that will lose this eleywe paul duddridge. he'syery abortion that will lose this eleywe paul duddridge. he's the much, paul duddridge. he's the host of the politics people podcast. stay podcast. that is worldview. stay tuned. more to come in the next hour. houn good afternoon. it's 5:00. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. for the next houn digital radio. for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. coming up , my hitting the headlines right now. coming up, my outside guest, i'm joined businessman. joined by a british businessman. he's a legend. he up an he's a legend. he built up an extremely successful chain of jewellery stores, the sultan of bung jewellery stores, the sultan of bling . can you work out who he bling. can you work out who he is? and then the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, do you believe electric cars are a risk to national security? but first, let's your latest first, let's get your latest news headlines . news headlines. >> thank you very much, nana. i'm rory smith in the gb newsroom. the first asylum seekers are to be housed on the

bibby stockholm barge in the coming days . bibby stockholm barge in the coming days. the minister for immigration , robert jenrick says immigration, robert jenrick says around 50 people will enter the vessel in portland port in dorset. this week. he insists increasing the numbers on the barge to the capacity of around 500 is still the plan. thus, despite concerns from the fire brigades union over the vessel initially designed to house around 200 people, mrjenrick told us here gb news that deterrence is a key part of the government's plan to tackle the small boats crisis . small boats crisis. >> the overwhelming majority of those people coming on small boats coming from france, boats are coming from france, from a safe country with a well—functioning asylum system. they're choosing to come to the uk and that must be in part because of a perception that the uk is a softer touch. that's why we're changing accommodation. that's why we're making it harder to live to and work illegally in the uk , there's illegally in the uk, there's been a 50% rise in the number of

raids this year by immigration enforcement to try and close down bogus employers who are breaking the law by employing illegal migrants. >> meanwhile, shadow immigration minister stephen kinnock says a labour government would still have to house migrants in barges for short periods while tackling the backlog of asylum cases. a labour government would also continue to place asylum seekers in former military bases for up to six months. cannock blamed the conservative government for the conservative government for the current asylum situation, but could not say how long it would take a labour government to reduce the asylum backlog of 172,000 cases. those who have been wrongfully convicted of crimes will no longer have their living costs docked from their compensation payments. new guidance issued by justice secretary alex chalk comes into immediate effect today. it follows the controversy sparked by the jailing of andrew

malkinson, who spent 17 years behind bars for a crime he did not commit . behind bars for a crime he did not commit. he voiced his concerns that expenses may be deducted from his compensation , deducted from his compensation, prompting downing street to make urgent amendments. prompting downing street to make urgent amendments . one of donald urgent amendments. one of donald trump's lawyers says that any actions the former president may have taken after he lost the 2020 us election were aspirational. asks john le roux, defended mr trump's attempt to overturn the election result by saying he was simply exercising his right to free speech. joe biden won the 2020 us election with more than 51% of the vote. donald trump pleaded not guilty in court last week. he faces four federal charges in that election case. ukraine's president, vladimir zelenskyy is accusing russia of bombing a blood transfusion centre in the north—west of the country . mr north—west of the country. mr zelenskyy claims a number of

people are dead and others are injured. but the president did not disclose how many fatalities there are. he described the wave of overnight airstrikes in the eastern kharkiv region as a war crime. there so far been no comment from russia on the escalation of attacks from both countries . meanwhile, countries. meanwhile, a university building was in flames in the donetsk in eastern ukraine, a region now under russian control . local russian control. local authorities blamed the shelling on ukrainian forces that they claim are now using cluster bombs . the us claim are now using cluster bombs. the us sent claim are now using cluster bombs . the us sent cluster bombs. the us sent cluster munitions to ukraine last month, but kyiv has promised to only use them on russian forces, not on civilian targets . an iconic on civilian targets. an iconic 18th century pub in birmingham has been gutted by fire just days after it was sold to a private buyer . firefighters were private buyer. firefighters were called to the crooked house pub just before 1045 last night. the blaze was extinguished. no one was injured. it's affectionately

known to many as the wonky pub , known to many as the wonky pub, as due to its unusual angle, where visitors would enjoy the illusion of coins and other objects seemingly rolling uphill along the bar. police are appealing for anyone with information the fire to information about the fire to get in touch . the renowned get in touch. the renowned composer carl davis has died at the age . of 86 . he first came the age. of 86. he first came to prominence in the 1970s after his newly created musical scores for neglected, silent films gave new life to the old art form. his work in the 1927 epic napoleon was given a cinematic release in 2016 amongst davis's many other credits was the bafta winning musical score for the bbc's 1995 adaptation of pride bbc's1995 adaptation of pride and prejudice, which starred colin firth . and finally, if colin firth. and finally, if you're tired of our rainy weather , well, spare a thought

weather, well, spare a thought for the buffaloes in thailand. farmers there are celebrating the beginning of thailand's rice cultivation in the monsoon season with their annual buffalo race. more than 60 buffaloes took part in the race along a waterlogged track , with waterlogged track, with participants splashing the animals with water to keep the heat at bay . this is gb news heat at bay. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car. on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now though, back to nana . news. now though, back to nana. >> good afternoon. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio nana akua and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right this show is all right now. this show is all about opinion . it's mine, it's about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and course, it's theirs. and of course, it's yours we'll debating, yours. we'll be debating, discussing times we will discussing and at times we will disagree. but will be

disagree. but no one will be cancelled . so joining me today cancelled. so joining me today is journalist and author christine hamilton and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. still to come , each kelly. still to come, each sunday at five, i'm joined by a celebrity, a former mp or someone who's had an extremely interesting career . take a look interesting career. take a look at life after the job. we talk highs, lows and lessons learned and what comes on the and what comes next on the outside . and today, well, i'm outside. and today, well, i'm joined by a british business legend who built an extremely successful chain of jewellery stores, the sultan of bling . he stores, the sultan of bling. he was once described as and he once called his own goods a four letter word that basically brought down his empire at the height of his accessory empire , height of his accessory empire, height of his accessory empire, he had over 200, 2500 stores. he now works as a mentor for up and coming businesses. now works as a mentor for up and coming businesses . all will be coming businesses. all will be revealed. but who do you think he is? then, for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking the scary reality of the chinese about the electric cars flooding the market. the tech threat on the roads, electric

vehicles. what do you think are are they a risk to national security? as always, you can email me gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at . gb news. but before tweet me at. gb news. but before before we do my little outside guests, i want to tease and tantalise you just a little bit more. i thought i'd just discuss something that really my something that really caught my eye. convicted something that really caught my eye. who convicted something that really caught my eye. who clongerd something that really caught my eye. who clonger have has prisoner who no longer have has to pay for his bed and board dunng to pay for his bed and board during his time in prison. but he was told that he would have to, even he was in prison to, even though he was in prison wrongly now, comes wrongly. now, this comes after andrew malkinson , who was andrew malkinson, who was wrongly of rape for 17 wrongly convicted of rape for 17 years, told that he would years, was told that he would need pay for the costs need to pay for the costs incurred during his prison stay. so let's see what my panel maker that joining christine and that joining me christine and danny, start with danny, i'm going to start with you mean, 70 years you, christine. i mean, 70 years in prison . in prison. >> i know. and you're asked to pay >> i know. and you're asked to pay for the privilege, which i think certainly came as think it certainly came as a surprise to that somebody in surprise to me that somebody in his would to

his position would be asked to pay his position would be asked to pay board lodging. pay for their board and lodging. i didn't realise that. but apparently to apparently it dates back to a house lords ruling in two house of lords ruling in two thousand and seven where there was a 4 to 1 majority in favour of making released prisoners because they didn't think it was fair that those who were released on a technicality, in other words, they were implying that they were still guilty, but they technicality. they got away on a technicality. should free and should have had free board and lodging . i should have had free board and lodging. i can should have had free board and lodging . i can see their point, lodging. i can see their point, but i still think if somebody is thought to have been wrongly imprisoned reason, imprisoned for whatever reason, they not have to the they should not have to pay the board this board and lodging. and for this guy malkinson to be charged 25, he was going to be charged 25% of compensation for the of his compensation for the privilege of having prison , food privilege of having prison, food and prison conditions for 17 years. i mean, it offends us british justice. >> but apparently they're not even guaranteed that they will get compensation as well. so there's another hurdle that he'll have to climb to get through that as well. >> thought it had been agreed. >> his compensation. there's another that to another hurdle that he has to get danny, it's get through as well. danny, it's called i think the term is saved living it's actually >> and i think it's actually

more than just more broad than just accommodation and food. think accommodation and food. i think it account the fact it takes into account the fact that lad hasn't had pay, that the lad hasn't had to pay, for council or for example, council tax or energy . it's a it's in my energy bills. it's a it's in my view, it's a complete scandal. the poor lad has spent his prime 17 years behind bars. and also don't forget the hard time his prison time would have been a hard time because of and rapists don't get an easy time behind bars. so not only is it 17 years taken away from a man in the prime of his life, it's 17 hard years being labelled a a perv, a rapist . and after all of these rapist. and after all of these years , he gets what the years, he gets what the equivalent is 50 8ka year, which is a million pounds divided by 17. n0 is a million pounds divided by 17. no way is one year of his life over the last 17 years. it's worth a hell of a lot more. >> well, i think he also served an extra. i think it was seven years something after years or something because after ten realised ten or whatever, they realised that wasn't him or whatever, that it wasn't him or whatever, but had serve but then he had to serve extra for whatever well he for whatever reason. well he refused it. he refused refused to accept it. he refused to accept, he had to plead to accept, but he had to plead guilty he wasn't prepared to guilty and he wasn't prepared to do that. but they'd accepted that. do that. but they'd accepted tha if said guilty,

>> if he'd said he was guilty, he have free. but he he could have gone free. but he wasn't. just why wasn't. i just say, why should he that? why he be prepared to do that? why would do it? would anybody do it? >> backward? is it that >> why are backward? is it that if you said that you're not guilty, you then spend guilty, you would then spend more time in prison? >> the >> that's like ducking the witches times. witches in mediaeval times. >> the in the >> that's a flaw in the in the legal because almost legal system because it's almost like that evidence like they want that as evidence that right. and how that they got it right. and how many men have actually said go on, i want to be released. on, then i want to be released. yes that woman. yes, yes i raped that woman. yes, i murdered that lad they murdered that lad when they didn't. that's what the how didn't. and that's what the how many thousands of people are in prison now they're innocent ? >> well, 7 >> well, listen, ? >> well, listen, we'll 7 >> well, listen, we'll discuss that. but now let's it's time for the great british debate this hour. asking, do this hour. and i'm asking, do you believe electric cars are a risk to security? risk to national security? ministers have warned that the chinese state use electric chinese state could use electric cars from china to spy chinese state could use electric carbrits from china to spy chinese state could use electric carbrits from from china to spy chinese state could use electric carbrits from 2030. china to spy chinese state could use electric carbrits from 2030. itina to spy chinese state could use electric carbrits from 2030. it willo spy chinese state could use electric carbrits from 2030. it will not y on brits from 2030. it will not be possible to buy brand new petrol and diesel cars in the uk as part of the drive to achieve net zero by 2050. and china is widely expected to dominate the electric car market in this country. how ever government sources have expressed fears that technology could be

embedded in the vehicles to harvest considerable amounts of information, including video footage , audio recordings and footage, audio recordings and location data. and these fears are not ill. founded in january this year , an intelligence this year, an intelligence officer claimed that a china is tracking device had been discovered hidden in a uk government car. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking do you believe electric cars are a risk to national security ? well, let's see what security? well, let's see what my where are my panellists ? are my where are my panellists? are they. there you go. we'll do that in just a moment. i think we've got some weather. first, though, we're doing weather . i though, we're doing weather. i think so. no it's very warm outside . is it very warm? no outside. is it very warm? no one's going to speak to me, so i'll just carry on talking. >> the weather is cancelled. the weather's cancel. >> there we go. there they >> oh, there we go. there they are. right. so have got there. have got. i've got . oh are. right. so have got there. have got. i've got . on brian have i got. i've got. on brian cat. wonderful edwina currie, neil hamilton and also stephen pound. neil hamilton and also stephen pound . all right. well i'm going pound. all right. well i'm going to start with brian cat because he's our engineer and physicist

and he knows his about and he knows his stuff about electric is it true, electric cars. is it true, brian, is there a reality that they could be infiltrated by the chinese ? chinese? >> well, i'm just trying to think this one through. i've got fairly short notice . but the fairly short notice. but the answer your question is if you have a problem it's have a problem about it, it's a bit routers and bit like cisco routers and things like that. >> you use the who are the ones that they replaced them with . that they replaced them with. >> matter as long as >> it doesn't matter as long as the people who are driving the cars security risk. so cars are not a security risk. so you could say, okay, just for the government. no, no chinese cars because that's a daft idea. and in fact, i'm sure most ministries would say the same, trying to get a ministry to put their stuff off the server in their stuff off the server in their basement and out onto an amazon one is pretty hard . amazon one is pretty hard. they're not going to do that. so it's a daft thing to do for everybody else. cares how everybody else. who cares how the going to track the chinese are going to track 50, million people driving 50, 20 million people driving around would around in cars and why would they to ? they want to? >> why would they want to? >> yeah, why would they want to? well, i think i'm a pretty interesting person. they might want where i'm going. want to know where i'm going. edwina oh, don't mind at all.

>> i don't mind california >> i don't mind if california wants know what i'm up in wants to know what i'm up to in my tesla. i give them permission to use the data and i'm happy that do because that they should do so because that they should do so because that helps to improve safety . that helps to improve safety. and i don't mind if the and i really don't mind if the chinese to i mean, if chinese want to know. i mean, if they ask me, they will they want to ask me, they will probably have to a contract probably have to have a contract with i think with me of some kind. i think this a hoo ha. the chinese this is a hoo ha. the chinese are busy chasing security issues through every kind of gadget and far more important ones than than electric cars . than electric cars. >> well, is there not a risk, though, that the chinese could that these cars could be sort of controlled externally by an external power so you'd be driving your car and suddenly you'll be you're you're control will be taken away from you ? is will be taken away from you? is there is that a possibility? i'm to going ask my physicist, brian, is that a possibility ? brian, is that a possibility? >> i suppose suppose it is, >> i suppose i suppose it is, yes. kill them. it's i'm i can see alexander armstrong putting his finger on the button and saying , kill them. his finger on the button and saying, kill them. um his finger on the button and saying , kill them. um but his finger on the button and saying, kill them. um but in reality, is that going to happen? probably not. i mean,

the best idea, of course, is not to have evs in the first place because they're more polluting. >> that ? who? >> whose phone is that? who? somebody's got a phone going on it. brian. brian, sort out it. it's brian. brian, sort out your phone, goodness sake. your phone, for goodness sake. i'm going to neil i'm going to go over to neil hamilton . switch off your phone. hamilton. switch off your phone. brian. to i'm china is an >> i'm trying to i'm china is an aggressive authoritarian state that's bent on world domination on their belt and road initiative is used to sort of buy up african countries and other countries in the third world. >> and they're determined to take back taiwan, which controls the production of 90% of the world's computer chips. we ignore china or poo poo their ambitions at our peril. i think we should be disengaged buying from china on everything which could be of strategic importance to us should we not learn the lesson of putin's invasion of ukraine and the energy dependence which europe had on putin as a result of idiotic decisions by angela merkel and

the eu in the early years of this century? you know, china is a country which must be regarded ultimately as our enemy . and ultimately as our enemy. and whilst we can still trade with china on things that don't matter for things where we have high technology concerns, we should certainly not be handing them control or potential control. so i'm all for scrapping our links with china on things like electric cars. >> stephen pound well, i think there's a there's a fair bit of hysteria here. >> the idea that your toaster is secretly spying on you or you're hacking m40 one day and hacking down the m40 one day and suddenly the chinese make you drive think drive off a cliff, i think that's that's bonkers. but that's that's a bit bonkers. but the real scandal here, the absolute we have absolute real threat we have here, this country, here, is that this country, which one of the first which is one of the first countries the to countries in the world to develop technology develop a motoring technology with germany, the first country in the world that had so many things. longer have things. we no longer have our own we longer things. we no longer have our own shipbuilding, we longer things. we no longer have our own shipbuilding, we�* longer things. we no longer have our own shipbuilding, we no longer things. we no longer have our own shipbuilding, we no have er have shipbuilding, we no have control our electricity,

control of our electricity, power, gas, water, cars, because we've everybody else take we've let everybody else take over the market. >> the real scandal that >> the real scandal is that these not british cars made these are not british cars made in britain for british people. >> then we would know goes >> then we would know what goes in the backs of in the trackers on the backs of cars your cars that you mentioned in your lead different lead in. there are different thing altogether. anything you can of on your can have one of them on your bicycle care. but bicycle for all you care. but the more the reality is the more dependent external dependent we are on external manufacturers and external suppliers every single thing suppliers for every single thing from water that we try to from the water that we try to wash in to the cars that we drive, steel that we use, wash in to the cars that we driv more steel that we use, wash in to the cars that we driv more vulnerableiat we use, wash in to the cars that we driv more vulnerable we we use, wash in to the cars that we driv more vulnerable we are. se, the more vulnerable we are. >> if ever there was a case >> and if ever there was a case for actually building better for actually building it better in that in britain, the place that invented most of these things, this proves it as far as i'm concerned. >> thank you. >> well, listen, thank you. >> well, listen, thank you. >> because i'll go on. >> on. >> is that we flipping well should we. >> we can't do it, stephen, because of our wacko policies on net zero which have made us have sky high energy prices which have destroyed our steel industry, our glass industry, our cement industry, anything which is a high energy user and electric vehicles are an absurdity anyway because the mass that you have to move in an

electric vehicle is vastly greater than with the internal combustion engine . so you need combustion engine. so you need more in the first more electricity in the first place to move them. and then you've got the battery technology, we can't technology, which we can't control as lithium, control because as lithium, cobalt rare metals , cobalt and other rare metals, you're all neanderthals. >> catch up. come on. in this century, not in the previous one. and the electric cars are absolutely wonderful . i would absolutely wonderful. i would very much like to see them manufactured in this country. well, they're also really helpful. >> stop, stop . electric light. >> stop, stop. electric light. are we gonna finish? edwina, you've got 10s and i've got to move on. but edwina. sorry. you have word. have the last word. >> neanderthals to >> oh, tell the neanderthals to catch up. we're in the 21st century, not the 18th or the 19th. >> well, thank you. that's edwina currie, neil hamilton , edwina currie, neil hamilton, bnan edwina currie, neil hamilton, brian cat, and also stephen brown. thank you so much for your thoughts. up next, i'm joined by british business legend extremely legend who built an extremely successful jewellery successful chain of jewellery stores, he stores, the sultan of bling. he was once described his own goods with letter word with a four letter word that brought at brought down the empire. and at the accessory the height of his accessory empire, he had 2500 stores. but who is he ? who do you think he

who is he? who do you think he is? all revealed . but is? all will be revealed. but first, let's get some weather looks like things are heating up i >> -- >> boxed boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. of weather on. gb news. >> good afternoon. my name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast brought to you by the met office. so today has been a much better weather wise for many compared to saturday. and this is because storm anthony's finally clearing away to the east. looking out to the west, there is an area of high pressure that might just bring something a little bit more settled south monday. settled for the south on monday. but through to the but as we look through to the rest this evening, showers rest of this evening, showers generally becoming rest of this evening, showers generconfined becoming rest of this evening, showers generconfined to becoming rest of this evening, showers generconfined to northernming rest of this evening, showers generconfined to northern areas. more confined to northern areas. plenty of clear spells elsewhere. and this combined with light winds, could bring the odd patch of mist and fog for some southern and eastern areas . but it for some southern and eastern areas. but it will also mean that temperatures will drop readily tonight, more widely than what we saw on saturday night. rural areas seeing night. so rural areas seeing those temperatures drop into

single will make single figures. this will make for a fresh but bright start to monday with plenty of sunshine around a few showers. once again across particularly northern areas , heaviest and most areas, heaviest and most frequent across northeastern parts of scotland . but after a parts of scotland. but after a bright start in the southwest , bright start in the southwest, things starting to cloud over as this next area of cloud and rain moves in from the west, but still feeling pleasant in that sunshine throughout monday. now looking to tuesday, plenty of cloud and rain once again moving erratically eastwards . quite a erratically eastwards. quite a lot of low cloud mist, murk and drizzle for western coasts , but drizzle for western coasts, but dner drizzle for western coasts, but drier and brighter. further north. and as we look towards midweek, it does look like things be warming with things will be warming up with those getting those temperatures getting around to maybe even around to the mid to maybe even high . looks like things are high 20s. looks like things are heating up . heating up. >> boxed boilers, proud sponsors of weather on .

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from 2030? it will not be possible to buy brand new petrol and diesel cars in the uk as part of the drive to achieve net zero by 2050. second part of the nofion zero by 2050. second part of the notion of net zero, i've just had enough of it and china is widely expected to dominate the electric car market in this country . however, government country. however, government sources have expressed fears that technology could be embedded in the vehicles to harvest considerable amounts of information. a bit like the technology that's in your phone , your ipad, your laptop and all the other stuff that we actually pay the other stuff that we actually pay for . and your smart speaker pay for. and your smart speaker too . now, these fears are not too. now, these fears are not ill founded , though, because ill founded, though, because in january year, an january this year, an intelligence officer claimed that tracking device that a chinese tracking device had been discovered hidden in a uk government car. so for the great british debate, this hour, i'm asking do you believe electric cars are a risk to national security ? well, let's national security? well, let's see what my panel make of that . see what my panel make of that. joining and joining me live, author and broadcaster christine hamilton. joining me live, author and broadc.course|ristine hamilton. joining me live, author and broadc.course ,istine hamilton. joining me live, author and broadc.course , broadcasterton. joining me live, author and broadc.course , broadcaster and and of course, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. and car salesman, car dealer , owner. salesman, car dealer, owner. i just did that on purpose. danny

>> i think it's preposterous. preposterous is what is it potentially a risk to national security ? is it. no. and you security? is it. no. and you don't think so? well, i don't. and for us to hang the peg on the fact that some sort of tracking device is being found on car is a hell of on a government car is a hell of a stretch into asking the question, is it a national security risk? and also, there were four panellists there, some of would using iphones. of whom would be using iphones. iphones made in i iphones are made in china. i think that if i was to drive a car that had be made in china, they wouldn't be interested in me stephen i me and stephen pound, who i really don't think they'd be >> you don't think they'd be interested in you, danny don't. >> pound losing the plot, getting nostalgic about buying british. is he unaware that rolls royce are owned by bmw, bentley by volkswagen and land rover by an indian company called tata or tata, depending on your pronunciation. and here's the real kicker. mg owned by shanghai motor company of china . all of these these china. all of these these british, these once great british, these once great british car manufacturers are actually owned by foreigners.

one of whom is owned by the chinese . chinese. >> okay. so what about the nofion >> okay. so what about the notion that someone could actually take your car so actually take over your car so your is your electric vehicle, it is prone. electric it's a prone. it's an electric it's a program. a computer program program. it's a computer program . there'll central point . there'll be a central point that something could be programmed into vehicle to programmed into the vehicle to then control. okay. well, then take control. okay. well, let's to national let's take that to national security. that threat. yes, let's take that to national seis.'ity. that threat. yes, it is. >> it is a threat to personal safety. >> well, a nation, are >> well, as a nation, we are behind. no, but as a nation, we are cars from china and are buying cars from china and that of the national that is part of the national security. as this is part of security. so as this is part of the conversation . so no, the whole conversation. so no, no, no, no, no, i'll i'll tell you the boundaries of the conversation. and conversation. not you. and you'll right ? you'll work within them right? so the boundary. so that is the boundary. national include national security would include food, security somebody food, the security of somebody being able take control of being able to take control of your vehicle and all vehicles and whatever. is that not a risk? well i disagree that that's national security . that's national security. >> i think it's personal safety. >> i think it's personal safety. >> but >> well, no, but what? >> well, no, but what? >> your theory? >> working on your theory? >> working on your theory? >> my safety is >> no, because my safety is national security. so national security. okay. so for me , it's with regard to a piece me, it's with regard to a piece that read in the daily tele, that we read in the daily tele, i in daily telegraph i read in the daily telegraph today, which also incorporated that an element of it. so as an

element of national security and personal the personal security and the security country as security of this country as a whole, that's a concern. whole, surely that's a concern. >> i would agree that if the chinese hijack my tesla, chinese could hijack my tesla, not that i have one, and actually they're built actually they're not built china and me to ram into and was to get me to ram into the hard shoulder at 90 miles an houn the hard shoulder at 90 miles an hour. be a tragedy. hour. that would be a tragedy. but a personal level, no, wouldn't. >> what if so what if >> what if what if so what if they commandeered for just they commandeered a car for just safety's into a safety's sake to go into a building to or to building or to do this or to damage something? was damage something? there was a government this damage something? there was a g0'no,ment this damage something? there was a g0'no,men no this damage something? there was a g0'no,menno . this damage something? there was a g0'no,menno . but this damage something? there was a g0'no,menno . but no, this damage something? there was a g0'no,menno . but no, but this is. no, no, no. but no, but that's. that's commandeering a vehicle. it could be anybody's vehicle. it could be anybody's vehicle. could be prime vehicle. it could be the prime minister's somebody minister's it could be somebody else's something bad. else's to do something bad. that's saying. that that's what we're saying. that is security risk. is a national security risk. >> minister's vehicle >> the prime minister's vehicle won't be built in china. well, well , how do you know that? well, how do you know that? >> don't they ? >> don't they? >> don't they? >> well, because they the government have said. >> but if. okay. and that's an example, though, that's an example, though, that's an example of a rover, tata, example of a land rover, tata, not china . not china. >> they're built in the west midlands. a lot of the midlands. yeah. but a lot of the components from china anyway. >> you w.- w.— >> okay. you may regard it as fantasy land and james bond, etcetera , it obviously etcetera, but it obviously it could happen. what i find so

deeply depressing is that we are exporting because of net zero. we are exporting all our car industry to china. we are going for net zero. so that our emissions are tiny , our carbon emissions are tiny, our carbon emissions are tiny, our carbon emissions are tiny, our carbon emissions are tiny. china's carbon emissions are going up all the time. exactly. they don't give a their energy needs are vast. they're is growing by 5% a year while our economy is complete stagnating. that is what we should be worried about. they, of course , they could have they, of course, they could have the capacity to they could bring every in the country to a every car in the country to a halt if we're all in these electric cars. but but what is so ridiculous is the is the so ridiculous is the fly is the philosophy. well, that that's the chinese mistake. >> my nostrils for a cave. that's a chinese powered fly. >> what is so wrong is that that by charging for net zero, we are thinking that we're being absolutely wonderful and all our guilt is being exported to china. they're making the vehicle , feel good about vehicle, so we feel good about it. is absurd. we are it. but that is absurd. we are suffering . the chinese economy suffering. the chinese economy is ahead. suffering. the chinese economy is ahead . i mean, talk is racing ahead. i mean, talk about nero fiddling while rome

burns. that's what's going on. well, this net zero nonsense, i think people have said, think people might have said, don't be silly. >> could never fly >> the plane could never fly into trade and into the world trade centre and all didn't all that stuff. people didn't think think that think that. but i think that people think slightly people need to think slightly outside and understand outside the box and understand that foreign or someone that if a foreign or someone like is owning something like china is owning something so important as all the components within the car and manufacturing that an manufacturing, that that is an open opportunity for manipulation. anyway, i've manipulation. and anyway, i've got to move on because as for being neanderthal by being called neanderthal by edwina, , right. well, edwina, dear god, right. well, listen, stay tuned . i'm very listen, stay tuned. i'm very excited up next, i'm excited because up next, i'm joined british business joined by british business legend who built an extremely successful of jewellery successful chain of jewellery stores. sultan bling. stores. the sultan of bling. he once his goods with a once described his goods with a four letter word brought four letter word that brought down empire at height of down his empire at the height of his he had 2500 his business. he had 2500 stores, and a keen cyclist stores, and he's a keen cyclist . he works now with mentoring . . he works now with mentoring. all of who do you think he is? it'll be revealed very shortly . it'll be revealed very shortly. stay tuned. but first, let's get your headlines. your latest news headlines. >> thank you very much, nana.

i'm rory smith in the gp newsroom. the first asylum seekers are to be housed on the bibby stockholm barge in the coming days. the minister for immigration, robert jenrick says around 50 people will enter the vessel in portland port in dorset, this week . he insists dorset, this week. he insists increasing the numbers in the barge to the capacity of around 500 is still the plan . thus, 500 is still the plan. thus, despite concerns from the fire brigades union over the vessel initially designed to house around 200 people. meanwhile shadow immigration minister stephen kinnock says a labour government would still have to house migrants in barges for short periods while tackling the backlog of asylum cases. a labour government would also continue to place asylum seekers in former military bases for up to six months. kinnock blamed the conservative government for the conservative government for the current asylum situation but could not say how long it would take. a labour government to produce the asylum backlog of 172,000 cases. those who have been wrongfully convicted of

crimes will no longer have their living costs docked from their compensation payments . new compensation payments. new guidance issued by justice secretary alex chalk comes into immediate effect today. it follows the controversy sparked by the jailing of andrew malkinson, who spent 17 years behind bars for a crime he did not commit . an iconic 18th not commit. an iconic 18th century pub in birmingham has been gutted by fire just days after it was sold to a private buyer fire fighters were called to the crooked house pub just before 1045 last night as the blaze was extinguished and no one was injured. police are appealing for anyone with information about the fire to contact them . that's the up to contact them. that's the up to date. but you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website. that is gbnews.com. now, though, back to nana .

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good afternoon. it says fast approaching 38 minutes after 5:00. i'm nana akua. welcome on board. if you've just tuned in, this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. we are the people's channel and it is now time for this week's out side. and today i'm joined by a very special guest. he's a british business legend. he's built up an extreme successful chain of jewellery stores . his chain of jewellery stores. his actions earned himself the title

sultan of bling. he once described his own goods with a four letter word that brought down his empire at the height of his accessory business, he had 2500 stores, and he has taken up cycling as a hobby , and he now cycling as a hobby, and he now works as a mentor for up and coming businesses. remember this clip? he also do this nice show , three to cancer. >> it's cut glass and it comes complete with six glasses on a silver plated tray that your butler could bring you in. >> he serve you drinks on and it's really . only cost £4.95. it's really. only cost £4.95. people say to me, how can you sell this for such a low price ? sell this for such a low price? i say, because it's total crap . i say, because it's total crap. >> well, that was gerald, a big moment there. but i'm joined now by today businessman and motivational speaker, gerald ratner and his business partner, natalie bailey. ratner and his business partner, natalie bailey . gerald, oh, have natalie bailey. gerald, oh, have you not upset with me showing you not upset with me showing you that clip? >> i would be disappointed if you don't think i've

you didn't. i don't think i've ever interview with ever done an interview with somebody shown it. somebody who hasn't shown it. >> so talk to me then about your business, because by all accounts , it started it was a accounts, it started it was a family business, wasn't it? >> it a family business. it >> it was a family business. it was losing money. i changed it somewhat at and we then it was a very successful new formula to where we the demographics were such at the time when young people had the money. unlike today , when it's the older today, when it's the older people, it's the 16 to 24. and we weren't really attract ing those people. so we changed the formula instead of selling expensive diamond rings, we were doing earrings and chains and £0.99 earrings and stuff like that. £0.99 earrings and stuff like that . and it was hugely that. and it was hugely successful, which allowed us to actually expand. and then acquire a lot of the jewellers in the uk , including watch the in the uk, including watch the switzerland. h samuel, ernest jones, leslie davis. in fact, we, we got it up to 50% of the market and we were one of the few retail to succeed over the other side of the atlantic with 1000 shops there. but then of course, i made the speech that

you saw . you just saw. >> i know, but i actually watched it first round. so watched it first time round. so i seeing first i remember seeing it the first time i, i kind of thought, time and i, i kind of thought, oh, no, why has he said that? but let's go back a bit and let's talk about your family life and your family and where you grew up and more about you, because see that they because people see that they don't get find out don't really get to find out more about so what about more about you. so what about you? where where were born? more about you. so what about you? vdide where were born? more about you. so what about you? vdid yomere were born? more about you. so what about you? vdid you growrere born? more about you. so what about you? vdid you grow up? born? more about you. so what about you? vdid you grow up? what)rn? more about you. so what about you? vdid you grow up? what was where did you grow up? what was your schooling like? what was your life like? >> schooling wasn't very >> my schooling wasn't very good, i have to say. was good, i have to say. i was expelled. to expelled. yes, i went to i passed my 11 plus. but then i went to a grammar school with 33 people class , which people in the class, which didn't really agree with me and i didn't agree with them. and i came last, unfortunately. and in those days they could actually fire you through saying that you just, you know, stupid . and just, you know, stupid. and nowadays they put a label on you. they say you're dyslexic or something like that. but in those days they just got rid of me . so i worked in the family me. so i worked in the family business, which was fairly small at the time , and i left school. at the time, and i left school. >> was it a jewellery business?

>> was it a jewellery business? >> was a jewellery business, >> it was a jewellery business, yeah. loss making yeah. but it was a loss making business, so that was very posh. all the jewellers those days business, so that was very posh. all tiverynellers those days business, so that was very posh. all tivery posh's those days business, so that was very posh. all tivery posh and those days business, so that was very posh. all tivery posh and theye days business, so that was very posh. all tivery posh and they weren't were very posh and they weren't really. threshold really. there was a threshold barrier . young didn't barrier. young people didn't want them, whereas want to go into them, whereas that was, that was it in london. >> outside? >> was that outside? >> was that outside? >> well, i was born in richmond , where the , okay. and that was where the first shop was . and my father first shop was. and my father and mother worked in the shop and mother worked in the shop and my mother reminded me that she worked there when she was pregnant with me. so you could say was in my the say it was in my blood, the jewellery business and retail. >> brothers and sisters? >> yeah, i have. i got two sisters. >> and what are they doing? what do they do? they >> well, they're getting quite old now and they're not doing a lot, i don't think. i think i still keep see them quite a lot, but one of them did very well . but one of them did very well. she was doing what natalie was doing sort of property stuff. and the other one has emigrated to israel and retired. >> so let's talk about that moment then , when you made that moment then, when you made that comment. talk to me about that moment. what what happened in

the aftermath? i mean, what was the aftermath? i mean, what was the sort thing that the first sort of thing that happened ? happened? >> firstly , i, you know, >> well, firstly, i, you know, l, >> well, firstly, i, you know, i, i was very honoured to be ianed i, i was very honoured to be invited to the albert hall with 6000 people. and i was advised to put a couple of jokes . and to put a couple of jokes. and i'm not blaming the person who advised me, but it didn't have those initially . so those jokes in initially. so i put those jokes in and that's exactly what they jokes and exactly what they were jokes and everybody at the albert hall on that there that day felt that there was nothing untoward . i meet people nothing untoward. i meet people there 1991, but of there were there in 1991, but of course, i shouldn't have said it. and then it was misreported or disengaged , annually or disengaged, annually reported, if you like, by the press said press saying that i said it about all jewellery when in about all my jewellery when in fact was just that one item, about all my jewellery when in fa sherryas just that one item, about all my jewellery when in fa sherry decantthat one item, about all my jewellery when in fa sherry decantthat one other a sherry decant and the other part of the speech, which you can see on youtube actually said we high quality products we sell high quality products sold staff, but sold by high quality staff, but we do have this one product at sarah had a non—jewelry item. but of course to this day and on twitter, it's always referred to that i said that everything, all my products are crap and that

unfortunately we went down, you know, into everybody's psyche. and of course from being hugely successful, we'd announced profits of £125 million the day before we were going for 200 million. nobody came in our shops. it was just absolutely it was before social media, but it was before social media, but it was an absolute disaster. >> there was a taste of things to wasn't really what to come, wasn't it really what social can to people? social media can do to people? >> yeah, well , it was over the >> yeah, well, it was over the garden days and garden fence in those days and in but it had the same effect. >> so from there, how did you pick up? because pick yourself up? because you're. did okay. you're. you did okay. >> well, the thing was that it took me quite a while. i basically gave up and i didn't want to play anymore. and i was sort of just sitting at home doing nothing. but my wife said to me that you have to get out there, otherwise she was threatening me with goodness knows. well, i don't blame her. so i was just to get out the house. i was doing cycling and that was making me feel much better about myself, which i still do to day. i cycled

still do to this day. i cycled 25 a day. and 25 miles a day. wow. and i really enjoyed it. and i could see the benefits of health and fitness. i know everybody talks about it now, but this was 1997. so i felt i wanted to get into that business. i could i could see the benefits that it dealt with in terms of the stress that i had. and the i had real reasons to be stressful because i'd lost everything . and so i'd lost everything. and so i opened up a health club , cut a opened up a health club, cut a long short , it was very long story short, it was very successful and i had no money. i sort blagged way into sort of blagged my way into selling memberships before i actually on the lease. selling memberships before i actuthen on the lease. selling memberships before i actuthen i on the lease. selling memberships before i actuthen i got on the lease. selling memberships before i actuthen i got people lease. selling memberships before i actuthen i got people to ase. selling memberships before i actuthen i got people to sign up but then i got people to sign up and i sold it for £4 million. two years later , which was a two years later, which was a wonderful feeling after what i'd been through . yeah. so then i been through. yeah. so then i went back into the jewellery business online, built up a £25 million business, and then started doing talks , which i started doing talks, which i never thought i would make a living doing speeches after the disastrous speech that i made . disastrous speech that i made. but i do to this day and i can

do sort of 40, 50 all over the world a year, which i really enjoy. and during the pandemic, when i wasn't doing any speeches, i started doing the mentoring , speeches, i started doing the mentoring, which has led to working with natalie now. >> well, let's bring natalie in. natalie, hello. thank you very much for joining this is much forjoining us. this is natalie she works with natalie bailey. she works with gerald. so natalie , talk to me gerald. so natalie, talk to me about you met gerald and about how you met gerald and what your what your sort of what are you laughing? it's an interesting story, actually. >> we met in dubai on a mastermind retreat that my mum and i were on, and to better our business, our property business. and gerald was a guest mentor. so me being me, i've gone and made friends. so me being me, i've gone and made friends . so i just went and made friends. so i just went and plonked myself next to him. i was like, hello ? and then. then was like, hello? and then. then thereafter we went to the one next year and gerald was the mentor there. >> that was the cayman islands. >> that was the cayman islands. >> the cayman islands, yes. >> the cayman islands, yes. >> very nice. these are these are nice places to go. >> cayman islands was >> the cayman islands was actually fantastic. >> wasn't it? >> it was amazing, wasn't it? and brunch at the brits and we had brunch at the brits and got to know each other

and got got to know each other better. then gerald became better. and then gerald became a guest mentor at my retreats. so we that's how we met. >> so what are your retreats, then? what do they do ? then? what do they do? >> yeah, so we do health, wealth and happiness. so as gerald was saying about how health is so important, my background is personal training. so we have an affinity together there. we affinity together there. so we look at physical, mental, spiritual health, doing different kinds of activities and things, but also and excursions things, but also looking your business plan looking at your business plan for the next 12 months and beyond. and also what makes you happy life's too short happy because life's too short to be miserable. so we look at, you know, why? why are doing you know, why? why are you doing what you're doing? does it. does it does it make it bring you joy? does it make you and love it you happy? and people love it because they really start because they they really start to enjoy life . to see and enjoy life. >> well, what would you say, gerald, to people who sort of look someone you, they look at someone like you, they see successful . i see that you're successful. i mean, had your see that you're successful. i mean, downs had your see that you're successful. i mean, downs , had your see that you're successful. i mean, downs , but had your see that you're successful. i mean, downs , but you've your see that you're successful. i mean, downs , but you've pulled ups and downs, but you've pulled yourself must yourself back up. so there must be some sort of formula in it because like, you because it's almost like, you know, bankrupt, know, you go bankrupt, but then you formula and there's you find a formula and there's a formula. what would you say is

that want to that formula? because i want to know that's actually know it. yeah that's actually another myth that i went bankrupt . bankrupt. >> but anyway, the thing is that yeah, the thing is yeah, yeah, no, but the thing is that people do say to me , what that people do say to me, what is the secret of , of building a is the secret of, of building a successful business? because i've built 3 or 4 and i say to them, this is totally ridiculous. there is no formula for building a successful business, but the people that have been successful in business have been successful in business have learnt from their mistakes like i have. that is certainly one thing, but there's no the gerald at friends , which we have gerald at friends, which we have together now, and we've got a lot of people that belong to our club that we do mentoring. we say to them that it's not a quick get rich quick scheme . quick get rich quick scheme. it's just like if you wanted a beard doctor or if you wanted to beard doctor or if you wanted to be a lawyer. it's a good seven years apprentice and you then learn , learn from the bottom learn, learn from the bottom upwards and then you reap the rewards . rewards. >> so you say you didn't go bankrupt. so let's correct that. you didn't go bankrupt, though,

because lot of people say because a lot of people say that. you of hit that. okay but you kind of hit rock for you. rock bottom for you. >> i definitely lost all my >> oh, i definitely lost all my money and was pretty well depressed. but no, i didn't go bankrupt . and although it does bankrupt. and although it does say that on twitter all the time, which is a big problem to me because when i went back in the jewellery business, you cannot diamonds. cannot deal with diamonds. and if bankrupt. so but if you've been bankrupt. so but i could list out 20. i'm not sitting here moaning about it because it's my fault, but because it's my own fault, but i could list out 20 things that are not factual that they said continually on twitter. but i think that's sort of par for the course. yeah, that's twitter for you, isn't it? yeah. i thought the tabloids were bad at the time . the sun the mirror are time. the sun and the mirror are being disingenuous, it's being disingenuous, but it's nothing social media. you don't think that's an >> you don't think that's an utterly as you talk to me a little bit a little bit about your business is there something that people can get on board and your business is there something that part le can get on board and your business is there something that part in? an get on board and your business is there something that part in? is get on board and your business is there something that part in? is that on board and your business is there something that part in? is that what.1rd and your business is there something that part in? is that what. oh,|nd definitely. >> so. gerald ratner and friends, gerald ratner.com. friends, it's gerald ratner.com. if anybody wants to go and have a we do online mentoring a look we do online mentoring once a week every thursday and

we do different topics we cover different parts of business, parts of life and masterminding around their business what struggles are they having so that they can move forward. and it's really nice network of it's a really nice network of people. it's really important to spend with people that are spend time with people that are lifting and inspiring you and wanting you to achieve more and being able to help yourself and help others and so it's a really great group of people. if you want to better your life and business. >> and finally , if you ever a >> and finally, if you ever a pearl of wisdom to pass on to someone, it be? someone, what would it be? >> don't give up. i would think because as you know, will because as you know, you will get knocked down and that's always going happen in life. always going to happen in life. but you do meet somebody that hasn't had a setback and there's some lack of empathy, lack of sympathy in them. i think to be part of the human race, you have to have suffered somewhat . to have suffered somewhat. >> gerald ratner, such a pleasure to talk to you. and natalie paley, you. thank natalie paley, thank you. thank you talking to us. you very much for talking to us. >> for having us. >> thank you for having us. >> thank you for having us. >> that, course, gerald >> that, of course, is gerald ratner, gerald ratner, the legendary gerald and, natalie and, of course, natalie bailey.

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everything, can you the everything, can you open the door? the door? steve says, of course the car be able to change car maker will be able to change the characteristics of car the characteristics of the car whilst for whilst you drive or park for example, its cars example, tesla updated its cars dunng example, tesla updated its cars during the flooding florida during the flooding in florida a few ago . so there we go. few years ago. so there we go. that's one for danny, who's just joined us now it's time joined us now because it's time for supplement sunday. and my for supplement sunday. me and my panel some the news panel discuss some of the news stories that caught our eye. let's danny's let's start with danny, danny's supplement. the taliban. >> just just when you thought the had away, the taliban had got away, they're in london. the taliban have provoked fury after it was revealed uk officials are revealed that uk officials are using diplomatic convention to avoid paying road fines in the capital totalling £125,000. diplomats immunity. taliban. >> the taliban . >> the taliban. >> the taliban. >> i didn't even know. >> i didn't even know. >> i didn't know they were represented in london. >> i didn't know they were local . somewhere in this hell hole of a city. and sadiq khan must be screwed in over this because he's you know how much he hates the motorist. the taliban , of the motorist. the taliban, of all people. 125,000 people. and they just say, can't touch me.

gov diplomatic immunity. i'm the taliban . taliban. >> well, i thought because all a lot of the embassies used to do that. one of the i think i think it might have been ghana was one of the worst offenders 20 or 30 years ago and i thought they'd stopped diplomatic immunity for car there we are. well, christine, let's hear >> well, christine, let's hear your my supplement, your story. well my supplement, i yet again, is i mean, yet again, this is britbox, are jointly run by britbox, who are jointly run by the and itv . the bbc and itv. >> they infantilizing us all >> they are infantilizing us all by putting out these trigger warnings . by putting out these trigger warnings. mean, you warnings. i mean, could you believe it? they actually warn that wolf hall, which that a thing of wolf hall, which contains anne boleyn , who was contains anne boleyn, who was beheaded. we all know that contains scenes violence , and contains scenes of violence, and they say agatha christie's stories, mild shots of crime scenes. well, i mean, what on earth do you expect if you tune in to an agatha christie? it's utterly really is. utterly ludicrous. it really is. and on it goes. i mean , they and on it goes. i mean, they what do they expect, anne, of green gables something? what do they expect, anne, of grejustables something? what do they expect, anne, of grejust walk something? what do they expect, anne, of grejust walk down mething? what do they expect, anne, of grejust walk down any1ing? what do they expect, anne, of grejust walk down any london >> just walk down any london street. what was that? shots of crime scenes. street. what was that? shots of crir it's,:enes. street. what was that? shots of crir it's,:ene�*know, street. what was that? shots of cririt's,:ene�*know, it's >> it's, you know, it's pathetic. jack ripper, pathetic. and jack the ripper, the drama about jack the ripper starring wonderful michael starring the wonderful michael caine. a 1988 1988

starring the wonderful michael caine. a 19881988 drama. caine. it's a 19881988 drama. would you believe it contains scenes of violence ? oh, god. scenes of violence? oh, god. >> well, honestly , what can you >> well, honestly, what can you expect? i mean, a mass murderer . yeah, what a shock that is . . yeah, what a shock that is. that be. well, listen, that it'll be. well, listen, i found here, and one found one here, and this one is about and meghan. about harry and meghan. because you remember. remember that you remember. you remember that the was the duke of sussex was given a job as a chief impact officer on a seven figure or six figure sum. well, it turns out that a seven figure or six figure sum. are ll, it turns out that a seven figure or six figure sum. are blasting s out that a seven figure or six figure sum. are blasting harrythat a seven figure or six figure sum. are blasting harry because staff are blasting harry because in that same company ,100 of the in that same company, 100 of the employees have lost their jobs. no was he still pay his salary? >> i have no idea. >> i have no idea. >> but it's a life coach company and an impact. >> impact officer is to help people deal with uncertainty in life . i'm a people deal with uncertainty in life. i'm a bit of people deal with uncertainty in life . i'm a bit of that. you life. i'm a bit of that. you lost your job, pal. boss. lost yourjob, pal. boss. >> he's still on a big salary. wow. >> thing is just a mickey mouse, isn't it? >> feels like it is. well, >> it feels like it is. well, listen, very listen, thank you very much, guys. show , i've guys. nana on today's show, i've been asking you, do you trust labour to protect borders labour to protect our borders and according to our twitter poll, just 11.1% of you say yes and a whopping 88.9% of you say no. it's no surprise , is there?

no. it's no surprise, is there? i've got to say, thank you so much to my panel, author and broadcaster christine hamilton. christine thank you very much. and journalist author , and also journalist and author, no broadcaster. let's give him an thing. danny kelly, an extra thing. danny kelly, good . good night. >> not good night. >> not good night. >> bye bye . that's a huge thank >> bye bye. that's a huge thank you to you for your company. i look seeing look forward to seeing you. listen, for couple of listen, i'm off for a couple of weeks. going to have weeks. i'm just going to have a houdayin weeks. i'm just going to have a holiday in my house. well, listen, stay tuned. more listen, stay tuned. loads more still gb news. still to come here on gb news. thank your company. thank you for your company. enjoy >> looks like things are heating up . boxed boilers, proud up. boxed boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> good afternoon. my name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast brought to you by the met office . so today has been a much better weather wise for many compared to saturday. and this is because storm anthony is finally clearing away to the east, looking out to the west, there is an area of high pressure that might just bring something more something a little bit more settled south monday. settled for the south on monday. but we look through to the

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