this increasing numbers on the barge to the capacity of around 500 is still the plan . thus, 500 is still the plan. thus, despite concerns from the fire brigades union over the vessel initially designed to house around 200 people, a well meanwhile, shadow immigration minister stephen kinnock says a labour government would still have to house migrants in barges for short periods while tackling the backlog of asylum cases . a the backlog of asylum cases. a labour government would also continue to place asylum seekers in former military bases for up to six months. those who have been wrongfully convicted of crimes will no longer have their living costs docked from their

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under russian control. local authorities blamed the shelling on ukrainian forces that they claim are now using cluster bombs , though that hasn't been bombs, though that hasn't been independently verified. the us sent cluster munitions to ukraine last month and they've vowed to use them only to dislodge concentrations of enemy soldiers . an iconic 18th century soldiers. an iconic 18th century pub in birmingham has been gutted by fire just days after it was sold to a private buyer. firefighters were called to the crooked house pub just before 1045 last night. the blaze was extinguished. no one was injured. it's affectionately known to many as the wonky pub due to its unusual angle . police due to its unusual angle. police are appealing for anyone with information about the to fire contact them . there renowned contact them. there renowned composer karl davis has died at the age of 86 . he first came to

the age of 86. he first came to prominence in the 1970s. that's after his newly created musical scores for neglected silent films give new life to the old art form. his work on the 1927 epic napoleon was given a cinematic release in 2016. well, among davis's many other credits was the bafta award winning musical score for the bbc's 1995 musical score for the bbc's1995 adaptation of pride and prejudice, which starred colin firth . this is gb news. across firth. this is gb news. across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by simply saying play gb news now though, it's time for the camilla tominey show .

where in just a moment i'm going to be speaking to immigration minister robert jenrick about the small boats crisis . boats crisis. >> and then former chancellor kwasi kwarteng will be joining me in the studio. did his mini—budget a part the mini—budget play a part in the uk's highest interest rate in 15 years? stay tuned for that. and i'm going to be having stephen timms down the line with me to talk about what blair would do about and whether about the economy and whether labour's are any good . labour's ideas are any good. former chief secretary to the treasury under tony blair. sir stephen timms joins me. lovely to see you this morning, stephen. let's get straight into some of the debates in today's paper about immigration suella braverman the home secretary basically accused keir starmer of conspiring with those trying to stop the government from stopping illegal immigration by making a reference to that

flight that he campaigned to not take off that jamaica flight . take off that jamaica flight. one of the people on the flight went to on commit a crime against somebody in the uk. is keir starmer facilitating the retention of rapists and murderers in this country ? murderers in this country? >> no , i mean, suella braverman >> no, i mean, suella braverman is right that her plans aren't working, but that's because they were very bad plans. they've been badly thought through. they conflict with the law in various respects, and therefore they're not working. i mean, it's understandable that she's trying to find someone else to blame. but the responsibility is, in fact, entirely hers . fact, entirely hers. >> but the labour party on >> but isn't the labour party on the those lawyers, as the side of those lawyers, as braverman suggests ? we've a braverman suggests? we've got a labour who labour councillor who is somebody that campaigns try somebody that campaigns to try and in the country and keep people in the country who don't right who perhaps don't have the right to claim asylum here. so is labour the of those labour on the side of those so—called lefty lawyers that are trying the trying to thwart the government's ? is. government's plans? is. >> this is entirely the home >> no, this is entirely the home secretary trying to find someone else to blame for her own failures. she needs to take

responsibility . she's right. failures. she needs to take responsibility. she's right. her policies are not working. she needs to fix the policies, not just blame somebody else. >> and what's labour's solution then? because presumably, if you think that it's wrong that suella braverman's plans are being thwarted by anyone , that being thwarted by anyone, that by consequence means that you're quite happy to have quite robust policies to the boats, to policies to stop the boats, to stop people claiming asylum here that deserve to claim that don't deserve to claim asylum . asylum. >> yeah, we do need to stop the boats. that's absolutely right. and the government needs to come up with plan that will up with a plan that will succeed, unlike the plans they've put in place so far, which are which are not working. >> but how would you deter people? stephen, people? sir stephen, if now accepting we need to do that by having a better relationship with france in particular, and negotiate proper restrictions and controls at the french end. >> we also do need to make sure that it >> we also do need to make sure thatitis >> we also do need to make sure that it is legally possible for people who are entitled to claim asylum in the uk to come here

other than coming by a boat across the channel at the moment there's no legal means for them to do it. so for example , if to do it. so for example, if there's a child perhaps from from africa who's in france, who is legally entitled to come and join their sibling, their brother or their sister, who's got asylum status in the uk, there's no way for them to do that. they need to be some routes the government has said they will introduce some legal routes. they haven't done that yet. until there are people are going to carry on desperately trying to get across the channel in these terrible small boats. that needs to be fixed and there may be an argument that we've paid millions to the french and indeed that there are already legal routes in play. >> but let's move on to net zero now, because that's also a theme of today's newspapers. one of my panellists the people's panel panellists on the people's panel there you about there wanted me to ask you about just oil. we've seen just stop oil. we've seen greenpeace scaling the prime minister's home in richmond in the we've got just stop the north. we've got just stop oil now threatening to

completely disrupt all of the football fixtures just about starting in the premier league this weekend . and surely this this weekend. and surely now time for labour to now it's time for labour to break ties with just stop oil to not take da vinci's money because people are because these people are wreaking and bringing wreaking havoc and bringing misery thousands of sports misery to thousands of sports fans. >> well, i think it is pretty extra ordinary that greenpeace was able to walk into the prime minister's home and scale the roof that was a very serious security lapse that should not have happened. but greenpeace does have a point in the arguments that it's making . i do arguments that it's making. i do not support the tactics of just stop oil but they also have a point in the case that they are arguing and the prime minister's announcement that we're just going to have an extra 100 licences for more oil and gas prospect in the north sea is the wrong decision. we do need with the rest of the world to tackle the rest of the world to tackle the climate crisis and what he's

doneis the climate crisis and what he's done is going absolutely in the wrong direction and giving up what has until now been quite an impressive uk lead on this area. from the cop conference in glasgow and so on. rishi sunak i think in a sort of measure of panic seems to have thrown all that away , say in the hope that that away, say in the hope that he can get a few votes by going in the opposite direction . in the opposite direction. >> but you were the chief secretary to the treasury under tony blair. i'm wondering whether you think it is a good idea for shadow chancellor rachel reeves to announce £28 billion in spending on a green prosperity pledge? when we found out this week that household debtis out this week that household debt is at 2 trillion, it's £71,000 per household . so surely £71,000 per household. so surely a next labour government, if that's going to happen, is to going be spending money cashing checks that it simply can't afford . afford. >> well , that's what we saw with >> well, that's what we saw with the kwasi kwarteng budget, which i'm sure you're going to ask kwasi about in a minute. when he announced indeed, huge tax cuts and no means to pay for them.

but actually, rachel but i think actually, rachel reeves been absolutely right reeves has been absolutely right throughout all of this debate . throughout all of this debate. and in particular, she's right to insist that everything a labour government will do has to be built on the rock of fiscal responsibility. well, 28 billion spending a year isn't fiscally responsible, is it ? it responsible, is it? it definitely is . is it is highly definitely is. is it is highly fiscally responsible. of course, the government will continue to invest and that's always happens and needs to happen. and at the moment, we do have to rebuild the economy after this terrible stagnant lack of growth that we're in at the moment. so we've got to invest, we've got to rebuild the british economy, but it's got to be on the basis of fiscal responsible . and that is fiscal responsible. and that is the watchword of everything that rachel reeves has been saying over the last couple of years. and i very much agree with that. >> why did she have to water down plans then? she looked down the plans then? she looked at and then she at the plans and then she realised that she couldn't afford not

afford them. so that's not fiscally that's fiscally responsible. that's fiscally responsible. that's fiscally isn't it? fiscally illiterate, isn't it? >> , that is fiscally >> no, that is fiscally responsible. why she said responsible. that's why she said it's got to be phased in in a fiscally responsible way . and fiscally responsible way. and she's absolutely right to do that. >> mr timms, if you don't mind me asking, just because it might still be on the public's conscience, that obviously you had terrible happen conscience, that obviously you hayou terrible happen conscience, that obviously you hayou interrible happen conscience, that obviously you hayou in 2010.e happen conscience, that obviously you hayou in 2010 where happen conscience, that obviously you hayou in 2010 where you jpen conscience, that obviously you hayou in 2010 where you were to you in 2010 where you were stabbed by one of your constituents iran constituents as russia and iran . chaudhry she's in prison now , . chaudhry she's in prison now, and i just was researching this interview and i thought it was really interesting from your perspective that perspective as a christian that you out to her you wanted to reach out to her and she obviously nearly killed you , but you said that you you, but you said that you wanted to meet her prison and wanted to meet her in prison and perhaps the case. did perhaps discuss the case. did you ever make contact with her personally ? personally? >> well , i personally? >> well, i have been in a restorative justice process. unfortunately, it seems to have stalled . i don't know why it's stalled. i don't know why it's got stuck in in red tape somewhere. and it didn't seem to be moving forward at the moment. but i'm still hoping that somebody in the ministry of

justice might finally, you know, get things moving and it might be possible, but it hasn't been yet. >> so explain that to me, mr timms. you've wanted to reach out to this prisoner and try and have a conversation with to have a conversation with her to try some closure, but try and get some closure, but the moj have stood in the way. would be willing to and would you be willing to go and see in prison then, on your the. >> we've been talking about that and i understood that things were moving in that direction, but it stalled for reasons that i don't understand. she actually wrote to me. she she sent me three letters. so that was sort of how this began. and i'm very happy to go into a process which i thought was going to lead to the possibility of a meeting . the possibility of a meeting. but but it hasn't. and i'm not sure what's happening now. >> have you been able to forgive her? >> well, i think if i met her, that may well be possible. but without some sort of communication, i don't think that would really mean anything. >> okay. so stephen timms, thank you very much indeed for joining me this morning.

you very much indeed for joining me this morning . lots more to me this morning. lots more to come on today's show in just a minute, i'll be speaking to the immigration minister, robert jenrick. when the jenrick. when will the government control government take back control of our borders? you'll want our borders? i know you'll want to hear his plans stop the to hear his plans to stop the boats manage the asylum boats and manage the asylum seeker crisis. we'll have all that and more to come after the weather . weather. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> good evening . my name is >> good evening. my name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast brought to you by the met office . so we have seen quite a few showers across the uk. for many today, though, has been dry today, though, it has been dry for some. and as we look towards the new week, this of high the new week, this area of high pressure will just come across the very briefly, bringing the uk. very briefly, bringing some settled weather across the south. but back to tonight's weather and showers will slowly ease becoming more confined to

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gb news robert, lovely to speak to you. >> thank you for coming on. we've heard the home secretary speaking in very bullish terms about the immigration policy and the he thinks she the fact that he thinks she thinks labour been thinks that labour have been letting that letting down the country, that keir siding with the keir starmer is siding with the lefty are stopping lefty lawyers who are stopping deportations of rapists and murderers. talk deportations of rapists and murnoters. talk deportations of rapists and murnot on talk deportations of rapists and murnot on action. talk deportations of rapists and

murnot on action. roberttalk but not on action. robert because as labour pointed out, you've sent home you've sent more home secretaries to rwanda than actual deportees. secretaries to rwanda than act|well, portees. secretaries to rwanda than act|well, porte> well, good morning, camilla. well, to send more well, we want to send more people we to get people to rwanda. we want to get that up and running. it that scheme up and running. it is unfortunately in is unfortunately being stuck in the courts at the moment, but that's totality of our that's not the totality of our plan. working on many plan. we're working on many other fronts at the same time. we've signed a brilliant deal with reduced with albania that's reduced the number from number of people crossing from albania last albania from 30. this time last year we're working year to 4% today. we're working with with italy, with with france, with italy, with other make sure other countries to make sure that defences that we have stronger defences on coast and on the northern french coast and here the we're it here in the uk we're making it much more difficult for people to get housing to work illegally to get housing illegally and to make a life here as well of course, here as well as of course, making when illegal making sure that when illegal migrants do come here, they are accommodated in appropriate but simple accommodation , not the simple accommodation, not the luxurious hotels that members of the public are rightly angry about and want to see us get out of as quickly as possible. >> i know the bibby stockholm is going start taking migrants going to start taking migrants from rishi sunak . nac from tomorrow rishi sunak. nac mentioned two cruise ships that were used . what's were going to be used. what's happened to apparently no happened to them? apparently no port wants take the migrants. port wants to take the migrants. they're well , you're right to

they're well, you're right to say that the first barge will be on operational within the coming days and that's an important step forward. >> i hope that will be seen as a successful way of housing people, as i say , in decent. people, as i say, in decent. >> about the cruise ships, though? >> accommodation and we're in conversation. well, we're in conversation. well, we're in conversation with a number of other ports and hoping that we can secure those very soon. it's true that a couple of ports did back out , mostly because local back out, mostly because local labour councils like in birkenhead and in leith in edinburgh refused to support us. okay, hypocritically, actually, if you look at the leith example, that's a labour council that had housed the ukrainian refugees on the same barge, the same same boat, but refused to house asylum seekers all the time, saying that they are a city of sanctuary and it's more asylum seekers. >> is it labour's fault that your immigration policy isn't

working? then no , no. working? then no, no. >> but i think it's worth pointing out that labour would be much, much worse. labour's plan would actually see large numbers of people crossing the channel even larger than there are today because they just think you can grant your way out of this problem. they think that you can make 2000 migrant crossing the channel in june . crossing the channel in june. well, we want to see those numbers come down. i mean, as of today , the numbers are today, the numbers are significantly lower than they were this time last year , about were this time last year, about 15% lower. but of course , that's 15% lower. but of course, that's that's just the beginning. we want to see a substantial reduction . we want to stop the reduction. we want to stop the boats and that's why we're taking the measures that we are. that's why we passed the illegal migration act. yes. just a few weeks ago, which is probably the most piece of legislation most okay piece of legislation on immigration in my lifetime. >> and suella braverman has talked about these leftie lawyers. there was an expose in

the daily mail where they went undercover. they filmed immigration lawyers basically telling to game the telling clients to game the system. what should happen then ? because you're talking the talk lawyers, but talk on these lawyers, but should issued with even should they be issued with even bigger fines , talking about 5% bigger fines, talking about 5% of their earnings? surely you need to find them more than that. and close them down. >> well, you should be struck off as a lawyer if you flagrantly abuse the law and thatis flagrantly abuse the law and that is what i hope will happen to those solicitors and legal representatives who've been caught by the expose, by the daily mail, the solicitors regulatory authority is taking action against them and their firms. we're saying that we want that to continue . we want to that to continue. we want to find individual firms appropriately . as a former appropriately. as a former solicitor , i have been shocked solicitor, i have been shocked by the level of abuse that i've seen in this area of the law . seen in this area of the law. i'm afraid that what you seen so far is just the tip of. >> but are you saying that

fellow lawyer, keir starmer is conspiring with those lawyers? is keir starmer and the labour party conspiring with those lawyers? because that's what that's what rishi sunak seems to be suggesting in the tweet he sent out last week. and that's what suella braverman seems to sent out last week. and that's wh suggesting'averman seems to sent out last week. and that's wh suggesting .verman seems to sent out last week. and that's wh suggesting . are nan seems to sent out last week. and that's wh suggesting . are nan also s to be suggesting. are you also suggesting that , well, there is suggesting that, well, there is evidence of that. >> yes. i mean, this just this week we've seen an allegation that a labour councillor in newcastle who is also a legal representative, was on tiktok, apparently soliciting illegal migrants to come to her and she would help them to stay in the uk . now i would help them to stay in the uk. now i think would help them to stay in the uk . now i think that would be uk. now i think that would be news to her residents in newcastle who probably want, like i do, secure borders and control migration . but it is an control migration. but it is an example of what the labour party really thinks and as far as i can tell, absolute lutely nothing has been said or done with respect to that lady. one

of our people, and that shows what labour, you know, behind the mask really thinks. okay, this issue , one of our people's this issue, one of our people's panellists has made the point about the pull factors to the uk. >> there's a reason why people come from wherever they're coming from. they come across the whole of europe and they still want to the channel still want to cross the channel to the uk because we're to come to the uk because we're a soft touch, because we offer them much, because give them too much, because we give them too much, because we give them housing and accommodation quite comfortable and quite comfortable housing and accommodation that they can come here have a life that they here and have a life that they can't live elsewhere. so some of the factors are to blame. the pull factors are to blame. why don't you pull some of the pull why don't you pull some of the pulwell, we are camilla. that's >> well, we are camilla. that's exactly the work that i've been doing over the last months doing over the last six months with suella braverman. we have changed the accommodation. the people are staying in, you know, the labour party say they don't like us using disused military sites and barges. they want hotels and my postbag from labour mps is complaining that the accommodation isn't luxurious enough. they want us to spend more and offer more to

illegal migrants. i don't think that's right . illegal migrants. i don't think that's right. i think we have to make sure that the uk isn't perceived to be a soft touch. as you say quite correctly, the overwhelming majority of those people coming on small boats are coming from france , from a safe coming from france, from a safe country with a well functioning asylum system , and they're asylum system, and they're choosing to come to the uk and that must be in part because of a perception that the uk is a softer touch. that's why we're changing accommodation . that's changing accommodation. that's why we're making it harder to live and to work illegally in the uk. but are these 50% rise in the number of raids this year by immigration enforcement to try and close down bogus employers? >> have you got control over some of these sites ? have you some of these sites? have you got control over some of these sites? because we've got local reports of tb and scabies reports of a tb and scabies outbreak at the site in wethersfield. you've got constituents angry about migrant s being housed in their doorstep . you've also got your own mps really cross with you personally? i've heard a lot of criticism of you personally. mr

jenrick , for the quote is jenrick, for the quote is dumping migrants in their seats and costing them their hopes of electoral success come 2024 . electoral success come 2024. >> well, the reason we're pursuing large sites and barges is so that we can exit the hotels. we don't want people staying in these hotels. they're very expensive and they're not appropriate . of course, we appropriate. of course, we understand that in the small number of places where these larger sites and barges are going to be located , that will going to be located, that will pose problems and legitimate concerns for the community. and we're working very closely with council owls and community groups in each of those places to try to mitigate that, providing extra money for the police and the health service , police and the health service, for example. but it must be right in the national interest that we house people as other european countries do, and certainly in large sites and on barges and vessels rather than in hotels, which is just simply creating another pull factor. okay kingdom robert jenrick, thank you very much indeed for

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if 2000 people are still arriving last arriving at the channel last month, got a deterrent month, it's not got a deterrent factor the people can see >> no, but the people can see what's uk . they what's happening in the uk. they can the supreme court can see that the supreme court and lawyers actively and other lawyers are actively working to frustrate what is very well known government policy and that's what the government is running up against. frustration, against. so the frustration, isn't voted isn't it, because people voted for that we for brexit thinking that we could our could take control of our borders and by the way, our laws? >> sure. so why can't we be in charge of who comes in and who doesn't ? why can't the doesn't? why can't the government this government get a grip on this issue? 13 in power? issue? after 13 years in power? >> has tried to do that issue? after 13 years in power? >> it has tried to do that issue? after 13 years in power? >> it has has tried to do that issue? after 13 years in power? >> it has passed ed to do that issue? after 13 years in power? >> it has passed legislation at issue? after 13 years in power? >> it has passed legislation .t and it has passed legislation. but you've the but then you've got the independent courts saying you can't . and that's a big can't do that. and that's a big problem. something problem. and that's something which sure sunak and which i'm sure rishi sunak and robert will be addressing. which i'm sure rishi sunak and rotlet's ill be addressing. which i'm sure rishi sunak and rotlet's move addressing. which i'm sure rishi sunak and rotlet's move oniressing. which i'm sure rishi sunak and rotlet's move on tossing. which i'm sure rishi sunak and rotlet's move on to the}. which i'm sure rishi sunak and rotlet's move on to the economy, >> let's move on to the economy, because we had interest rate because we had an interest rate rise thursday, 5.25. that's rise on thursday, 5.25. that's the highest rate in 15 years, 15 years. is that your fault? >> no , i don't think it is. >> no, i don't think it is. i think you look at what's been think if you look at what's been happening , the inflation has happening, the inflation has been much higher for a lot longer than the bank of england and others predicted . and the

and others predicted. and the bank of england have recognised themselves that they've got an issue here because they've hired ben bernanke , who is an american ben bernanke, who is an american economist , to look at their economist, to look at their inflation because they inflation models because they realise they look at their own inflation. >> if andrew inflation. >>for if andrew not inflation. >>for purpose irew not inflation. >>for purpose ,'ew not inflation. >>for purpose , well not inflation. >>for purpose , well look, not inflation. >>for purpose , well look, this fit for purpose, well look, this man of man understand the effects of inflation, you know, so, so what they're get a they're doing is trying to get a very third party to very respected third party to look at how their inflation and the bank england governor. the bank of england governor. >> well, it's a serious. yeah, you're serious you're right. it's a serious confident england governor. >> can't just say that >> why can't you just say that it's you're right that it's a serious it's a serious matter for them to bring into confidence in bailey. look, i think i work very in think i work very well in my brief tenure with andrew. >> think he's. >> i think he's. >> i think he's. >> but he didn't this >> but he didn't see this calamity coming down track. >> but he didn't see this cal didn'tcoming down track. >> but he didn't see this cal didn't seeing down track. >> but he didn't see this cal didn't see the down track. >> but he didn't see this cal didn't see the inflation track. he didn't see the inflation would be this high. if you're getting major failing getting it's a major failing if you're getting an american economist at yeah who don't economist at yeah who i don't know what what he about know what what he knows about the if you're bringing the uk but if you're bringing him at your inflation him in to look at your inflation models something's wrong. him in to look at your inflation mo yeah;omething's wrong. him in to look at your inflation mo yeah i mething's wrong. him in to look at your inflation mo yeah i mean1g's wrong. him in to look at your inflation mo yeah i mean we wrong. him in to look at your inflation mo yeah i mean we brought'ong. >> yeah i mean we brought a canadian economist in. well, he was governor bank. was the governor of the bank. he was the governor of the bank. he was of the bank. was the governor of the bank. >> the presided >> he was the one who presided over rates. over ultra low interest rates. >> now over ultra low interest rates. >> and now over ultra low interest rates.

>> and quantitative now over ultra low interest rates. >> and quantitative easingy over ultra low interest rates. >> and quantitative easing on come and quantitative easing on a mass scale, which have now cost us all the pocket. cost us all in the pocket. >> may be true, but i >> well, that may be true, but i think terms the inflation think in terms of the inflation and think and interest rates, i think there there was big fail there was there was a big fail in terms of working out where inflation might end up and what's happened since since certainly since i've left office is that the bank is trying to play is that the bank is trying to play catch up . play catch up. >> so having had very, very low rates, one forgets how low they were, 0.1% and then they are now 5.25. so which is 52.5 times more. >> complain that than paying £1,500 last year. and now interest rates have risen to such an extent that their mortgages are now £2,500. do you have any sympathy with them? of course i do. i mean, they're saying that want of saying that they want kind of furlough, outs for mortgages. >> of course do. mean, you >> of course i do. i mean, you know, revealing too know, probably revealing too much. i'm on tracker as well . much. i'm on a tracker as well. so i'm affected by how far they've gone considerably . they've gone up considerably. >> so are you saying that you have been screwed by own mini—budget? >> no, not at all. because? because camilla, you were mixing two the bank is in charge. >> option. that the

>> option. is that the mini—budget? yeah, it is. contributed interest rates mini—budget? yeah, it is. contri pushed interest rates mini—budget? yeah, it is. contri pushed in'aszst rates mini—budget? yeah, it is. contri pushed in'as hightesthey being pushed up as high as they are. reaction to the are. so my reaction to the inflation going up as far as what trying say to you is what i'm trying to say to you is that are two different things. >> w things. >> of england was >> the bank of england was in charge and of charge of inflation and a lot of my tracker rate and other people's rates will be people's tracker rates will be unked bank people's tracker rates will be linked bank rate. yes linked to the bank rate. yes and, you know, whatever margin that you have to pay and the reason why interest rates have gone very high is because gone up very high is because we've missed the goal we've completely missed the goal on inflation. yeah, we've totally misjudged inflation. and the point i was making about ben bernanke is that they brought someone in from america to look at their models because the models were clearly wrong. >> that's your mortgage bill gone up by per month. >> a lot. i mean, i'm going >> a lot. i mean, i'm not going to a great deal since we to reveal a great deal since we bought the house in 2021. oh, okay. so it's gone up quite , okay. so it's gone up quite, quite a bit since then. and i'm as exposed to interest rates as anyone else with regard to growth. >> obviously you've talked a lot about stimulating growth. what would you like to see in the

autumn statement from chancellor ? >> 7- >> there 7_ >> there has to ? >> there has to be a 7 >> there has to be a growth plan, so it's all very well to people, wrongly people, rightly or wrongly criticise the mini—budget. and it it was too much it was i think it was too much too have you. there too fast or what have you. there are different perceptions about it but actual problem it, but the actual problem it was to solve, which is was trying to solve, which is trying to stimulate growth, was 100% the right problem to deal with. and i want to see from a government an attempt to try and deal with that now. so far they've said they've stabilise things and i think jeremy hunt does deserve credit and rishi sunak, so he should be shuffled out stabilised . he should be out or stabilised. he should be shuffled. i was the last chancellor to be sacked and it didn't end very well the didn't end very well for the prime i would prime minister. so i would suggest on that front. i suggest caution on that front. i don't think prime minister sacking chancellors is , is sacking chancellors is, is a good a good omen , even though to good a good omen, even though to be fair to rishi, he didn't appoint jeremy hunt. it was liz truss who appointed him. so i think that i think they've done the first bit they've shown a measure of restraint. they've shown balance and now as we go

into the election , then we have into the election, then we have to give something. we have to say. so this is the this is the forward plan. this is how we're actually going. >> because when the chancellor says, can't tax says, well, we can't afford tax cuts, response to cuts, what's your response to that? legitimate that? because it's a legitimate concern, isn't it? and got concern, isn't it? and we've got household debt now exceeding 2 trillion for the first trillion for the very first time. equivalent to time. um, that's equivalent to 71,000 per household and is it just the case that successive governments have been far too profligate with taxpayers cash? >> think i think the big >> so i think i think the big issue, which no one wants to address is public spending. pubuc is address is public spending. public is very, public spending is very, very high. doesn't take a high. and it doesn't take a mathematician work out if mathematician to work out if your public spending is growing at your economy is at 3% a year and your economy is growing a % a year , how growing at half a% a year, how are you going pay for the are you going to pay for the pubuc are you going to pay for the public spending? answer public spending? and the answer so has been more so far has been through more tax. got tax. that's why we've got a very, very burden . our very, very high tax burden. our attempt to reduce that was which spooked the markets, frankly , he spooked the markets, frankly, he was perhaps too much too quickly. it was too much to digest. jeremy hunt need do digest. jeremy hunt need to do some so i think there some of that. so i think there has to balance which has to be a balance which aspects you i think aspects would you like? i think well, i mean, he at a well, i mean, he can look at a whole range of things and it's

not about reducing public not just about reducing public spending. it's reducing not just about reducing public spe rate}. it's reducing not just about reducing public spe rate at t's reducing not just about reducing public spe rate at which reducing not just about reducing public spe rate at which the educing not just about reducing public spe rate at which the public] the rate at which the public spending increases . i know it's spending increases. i know it's a difficult concept, a slightly difficult concept, but you know, you have to try and have some restraint . and in and have some restraint. and in order to kind of reduce the spending need, because otherwise call , you'll be call for restraint, you'll be accused too. accused of austerity, too. >> of those things, of that. >> mean, that's the political >> i mean, that's the political but dilemma that if but the dilemma is that if you're spending more than you're getting in, you to up getting in, you have to put up taxes. and that's the doom loop. getting in, you have to put up tax but if you're spending more than. but than. yeah, exactly. but then you need the spending more than they're in, then the they're bringing in, then the argument cuts is argument for tax cuts is erroneous, isn't it? because people will then say, well, no, you to do that ehhen >> t- e“— t-l t“ >> no. so what you have to do is and this and he actually mentioned this in his autumn statement, which was what i was going to do, what we budget was we did in the mini budget was that we had tax measures and that we had the tax measures and then to announce then we were going to announce then we were going to announce the we the spending measures, but we didn't but what he didn't get that far. but what he has is to is to try and has to do is to is to try and present a case for spending restraint . restraint, yes. and restraint. restraint, yes. and also trying to put more money

into the economy by cutting if he reducing tax any tax, which one should he cut first? >> well, there are lots that there of there are a whole range of taxes. about taxes. you're talking about income. talking about corporation? >> own favoured view was to >> my own favoured view was to start off, which is what liz campaigned on in terms of the corporation tax . yes. and then i corporation tax. yes. and then i think we tried to do too much in the i think if the mini—budget. i think if we just . just focussed. >> start business taxes. >> yes , i think >> yes, i think it has to be sequenced. >> yes, i think it has to be sequeryou feel that businesses >> do you feel that businesses in being in this country are being hammered by conservative hammered by a conservative government that's how government because that's how they i think. they seem to feel? i think. >> from 19% to 25% >> i think going from 19% to 25% in corporation tax is very challenging . yes. and also, we challenging. yes. and also, we want to make your economy attractive . i mean, in ireland, attractive. i mean, in ireland, they have, what, 12% corporation tax? >> well, we were meant to be competitive right competitive after brexit, right 7 competitive after brexit, right ? we weren't meant to a ? we weren't meant to be on a par germany. no. par with france and germany. no. >> and in ireland, top rate >> and in ireland, the top rate of in our of tax is 40, whereas in our country it's the corporation tax is and the top rate of tax is 25. and the top rate of tax is 25. and the top rate of tax is 45. if you're a successful businessman, you can see why they might want to go to ireland and instead of the uk , we talked and instead of the uk, we talked

about government debt. >> we talked about household debt. about your debt. you've told me about your own mortgage. are you worried that there is a generation or caucus of people that are just so mortgaged to the eyeballs that it's a massive problem coming down the track ? i mean, coming down the track? i mean, we've already seen house prices fall . well, yeah. are facing fall. well, yeah. are we facing another housing crisis? >> think we i think it's >> no, i think we i think it's too to easy say that we're going too to easy say that we're going to go down the road of sort of housing armageddon. i don't think i think think that's the case. i think there's of there's still a huge amount of demand properties . there's demand for properties. there's still not still a sense that we're not building people have still a sense that we're not builextraordinary people have still a sense that we're not builextraordinary amountse have still a sense that we're not builextraordinary amounts of1ave got extraordinary amounts of mortgage debt, haven't they? >> . and what happens further mortgage debt, haven't they? >> the and what happens further mortgage debt, haven't they? >> the line what happens further mortgage debt, haven't they? >> the line are happens further mortgage debt, haven't they? >> the line are these ans further mortgage debt, haven't they? >> the line are these people her down the line are these people saving their pensions? is saving for their pensions? is the their pension? saving for their pensions? is the so their pension? saving for their pensions? is the so would pension? saving for their pensions? is the so would pensabout saving for their pensions? is the so would pen: about that >> so all i would say about that is is bad. i is that the situation is bad. i mean not even mean, older viewers, not even that old viewers, but the early 90s, we had, what, 15% interest rates and was punitive. rates and that was punitive. i don't think there's any risk of that, actually. but i think what we've got to and do is we've we've got to try and do is we've got build more housing where we've got to try and do is we've gotcan)uild more housing where we've got to try and do is we've gotcan do d more housing where we've got to try and do is we've gotcan do thatyre housing where we've got to try and do is we've gotcan do that and ousing where we've got to try and do is we've gotcan do that and increasehere we've got to try and do is we've gotcan do that and increase the supply. >> but what's your feeling on where interest rates will go ? i where interest rates will go? i note that a tracker.

note that you're on a tracker. does that that does that mean that you're thinking they might stay at thinking that they might stay at five come down? thinking that they might stay at fivei come down? thinking that they might stay at fivei thinkyme down? thinking that they might stay at fivei thinkynthinkvn? thinking that they might stay at fivei thinkynthink ii? thinking that they might stay at fivei thinkynthink i think they >> i think i think i think they will put this way. think will put it this way. i think they've gone than they've gone up more than they're up in the they're going to go up in the future. right. where future. right. but where the point where optimal point where the optimal point is whether rather the highest point point where the optimal point is whis1er rather the highest point point where the optimal point is whis a r rather the highest point point where the optimal point is whis a matter the highest point point where the optimal point is whis a matter ofe highest point point where the optimal point is whis a matter of speculationyint point where the optimal point is whis a matter of speculation .1t is, is a matter of speculation. i mean, i'm sure you've got roger bootle coming in. >> he'll have his i'll ask him the question. this the same question. i think this perception perhaps that interest rates forever remain at rates now will forever remain at 4 or 5% and never go back to that zero or close to zero. i think it's very unlikely they'll go back 0.1. go back to 0.1. >> even at the time we >> i mean, even at the time we realised was realised that that was exceptional and but i think they can go back down to 2 or 3. they have done in the past and they might do again in the future. >> and final question , kwasi do >> and final question, kwasi do you minister you think the prime minister will inflation target will hit this inflation target to the end of the year? >> i think it's quite tricky. year? >> i taugust; quite tricky. year? >> i taugust now. e tricky. year? >> i taugust now. e tricisee we're august now. we'll see what the is . i think the july figure is. i think it'll be it'll be nip and tuck. as i say , touch and go. whether as i say, touch and go. whether he hits that. but i think it's coming down. but obviously not

as quickly as many of us would like to see. >> kwasi kwarteng , thank you >> kwasi kwarteng, thank you very much for joining >> kwasi kwarteng, thank you very much forjoining me >> kwasi kwarteng, thank you very much for joining me this morning. lovely to morning. thank you. lovely to speak you .

welcome back to the camilla tominey show. thank you for joining me. i've got the perfect guest us guest in the studio to help us get heads around what's get our heads around what's going the british going on with the british economy. rates now a economy. interest rates now at a 15 high. roger bootle , the 15 year high. roger bootle, the senior independent advisor to capital economics, joins now, capital economics, joins me now, a economist, an expert a leading economist, an expert on these matters. roger, on all these matters. roger, first of all, you might have seen my interview earlier with kwasi what's your kwasi kwarteng. what's your reaction to what he's saying there? talking about there? he's talking about bringing spending bringing government spending down corporation tax cut. still emulating growth in a different way. do you agree with that analysis? yes i do, actually. >> it's a shame that he's come to that realisation now , as it

to that realisation now, as it were, and we had that botched experiment before. but i think he's . he's largely right. >> and what should jeremy hunt do in the autumn do do in the autumn statement, do you ? you think? >> well, i he's boxed in >> well, i think he's boxed in really what he's done before really by what he's done before and before . and by what he's said before. he's not going to cut corporation , is he? and corporation tax, is he? and i don't suppose he's to going cut government should. >> mean he's not >> i mean, he's not going to because politically because it looks politically weak. as businesses weak. but as far as businesses are concerned, i mean, what are you hearing businesses? you hearing from businesses? because a journalistic because in a journalistic capacity , i'm hearing capacity, we i'm hearing businesses tearing their hair out it's more difficult out thinking it's more difficult than ever start a business, than ever to start a business, let alone keep it afloat. let alone to keep it afloat. there's been lots of handouts for individuals when it comes to help with energy bills. we got the federation of small businesses , i think, last month businesses, i think, last month saying that 100,000 businesses face going under this winter because of their own energy bills. has the tory government, the so—called government of business, found wanting business, been found wanting when helping businesses? >> yes , as i think the answer, >> yes, as i think the answer, yes. but you know, the big issue is the macro economy . and you is the macro economy. and you don't solve problems by don't solve those problems by frankly dishing out handouts ,

frankly dishing out handouts, although we have been doing that over few years in over the last few years in various i suspect he's various ways. i suspect he's going to have to do very little actually , in autumn actually, in this autumn statement. is a case of just statement. it is a case of just trying to keep the ship afloat, keeping it steady and hoping that things pan out. okay. now i'm actually reasonably pessimistic, unfortunately , pessimistic, unfortunately, about the outlook for interest rates and inflation. right. i think it takes a lot longer for that to come. right. but they've got going that to come. right. but they've go come going that to come. right. but they've gocome right going that to come. right. but they've go come right where going that to come. right. but they've gocome right where i going that to come. right. but they've gocome right where i go much to come right where i very much agree kwasi was on public agree with kwasi was on public spending. you know, you can't square this circle unless you get to grips with public spending and the obvious one to do something about is scrap do something about is to scrap it. yes >> even though we've already spent billions on it, there's a well known rule economics . well known rule in economics. >> you let bygones >> you must let bygones be bygones. >> you must let bygones be bygones . rational decision bygones. all rational decision ins are forward looking. forget what you've spent. look at what the position is now going forward , what are the forward, what are the advantages? and i think they're pretty slender and the costs are still rising . still rising. >> so that's the first loss is your loss theory when it

your best loss theory when it comes government spending in comes to government spending in general, though, and also in terms of household debt. i was intrigued read a piece that intrigued to read a piece that you recently for the you wrote recently for the telegraph . we headlined telegraph. we headlined it forget high debt the real forget sky high debt the real economic is a lack of economic danger is a lack of growth. that's not to say growth. but that's not to say that not worried about that you're not worried about sky are you, sky high debt, are you, roger? you're absolutely right, because as you all know, being as you you all know, being a columnist yourself, one of the problems got no problems is you've got no control over the headline. well, we tend to put we do tend to put quite sensational headlines on things that click the story . that people click on the story. but to me, though . but explain that to me, though. the sky high debt a problem , the sky high debt is a problem, but it's not as big a problem as the of growth the lack of growth in this country. the premise? country. is that the premise? >> there are a couple >> yes. well, there are a couple of strands to this. the first is that talking about of strands to this. the first is thatnational talking about of strands to this. the first is thatnational debt.alking about of strands to this. the first is thatnational debt. it's1g about of strands to this. the first is thatnational debt. it's notbout the national debt. it's not really national debt at all. really the national debt at all. it's debt. it's the it's the public debt. it's the debt of the government. the state to everyone else. most of those everyone else are in fact , other british people or or pension funds, insurance companies or whatever. so that's the first people think the first thing people think this is, you know, vast debt owed by country . it's not. owed by the country. it's not. and the second thing is we've

been here before for after the napoleonic wars, which i don't myself remember , the debt was myself remember, the debt was something like 260% of gdp as opposed to around about 100 we're at now. and also after the second world war, it was around about that. so we've been there before . we've worked it down, before. we've worked it down, work . paying it down means work. paying it down means maintaining confidence . it's maintaining confidence. it's keeping down government spending, keeping the deficit down so the debt doesn't keep building up . down so the debt doesn't keep building up. but the most important having the important thing is having the economy and the economy growing. and as the economy growing. and as the economy , that you economy grows, that enables you to up with what is too high to put up with what is too high a level of debt. >> but then i remember ronald reagan famously quoted as saying the deficit is big enough to look after itself. yet at look after itself. and yet at the time, reaganomics is the same time, reaganomics is associated a period of high associated with a period of high growth in the us . so how do you growth in the us. so how do you square circle ? because he square that circle? because he wasn't worried the deficit ? >> well, 7— >> well, no. 7 >> well, no. and in the end, of course, didn't actually course, america didn't actually get financial get out of its financial problems. i mean, that worked for policy . and for a time. that policy. and truss was following truss of course, was following exactly that. yes. rubric. i think are big limits to think there are big limits to

this. and particularly for an economy like the uk , which is economy like the uk, which is much more vulnerable than the us , you can't just hell , you can't just say to hell with the deficit, we're going to cut anyway . i think the cut taxes anyway. i think the objective cutting taxes is objective of cutting taxes is absolutely but to do that absolutely right. but to do that in a sustainable way, in this economy, you've to tackle economy, you've got to tackle government . that government spending. and that was think was the big mistake. i think under truss. >> em— >> and what about productivity? because i think a key concern from people watching and listening that we listening to this is that we just productive as we just aren't as productive as we used to be. also, this move towards work from home, perhaps has adversely affected productivity . i has adversely affected productivity. i don't has adversely affected productivity . i don't know what productivity. i don't know what your take that. roger your take is on that. roger >> think it probably has >> yes, i think it probably has , is this is a problem, of course, for long course, we've had for a long time. for time. it's got worse for a variety of reasons . regulation variety of reasons. regulation is one, we're over regulated, over regulated and regulated in the wrong way. the public sector, as i think are by and large , a baleful influence large, a baleful influence across the whole economy and its own productivity is pretty poor i >> -- >> the public sector is too large . large. >> it is too large, absolutely interferes too much and is my

own experience . science confirms own experience. science confirms is deeply in deficient. yes, but on working from home is of course been a great benefit for a number of people. but i don't think it's been great for productivity gnome. think it's been great for productiwhen nome. talked about >> and when kwasi talked about you think he's more optimistic than you're going to be about this debt mountain, particularly people's mortgage debt catching up with them. are you worried about a time bomb waiting to explode because you also wrote a piece for us where you said , piece for us where you said, again, it might your again, it might not be your headline, was the headline, but this was the thrust article. britain's thrust of the article. britain's property wealth an property wealth boom is an illusion . and the national illusion. and the national fixation housing ladder fixation with the housing ladder ignores fundamental flaws in the market. what did you mean by that? >> well, what i meant was this that? >:anell, what i meant was this that? >:a reallyvhat i meant was this that? >:a really aat i meant was this that? >:a really a dichotomy was this that? >:a really a dichotomy between is a really a dichotomy between wealth appears to individuals and their families. and as it were, wealth for the country as a whole . if you don't do a whole. if you don't do anything your property , you anything to your property, you just there live in it just sit there and live in it and the price up 3 or 4 and the price goes up 3 or 4 times, what the times, which is what is the experience of millions of ordinary people in this country . you feel richer indeed . you feel richer and indeed in some you are richer in some senses you are richer in some senses you are richer in

some when you at the end some senses when you at the end of life, you move down or of your life, you move down or whatever sell the house or whatever or sell the house or leave to your children. then leave it to your children. then that wealth can use. that wealth that you can use. but if you ask yourself the question, what has that done to the real wealth of the country, the real wealth of the country, the your wealth has the fact that your wealth has gone up 3 or 4 the paper gone up 3 or 4 times the paper wealth worth of the house and the it's done nothing the answer is it's done nothing at all. 39 acacia avenue, croydon is still doing exactly what it did before as it sits there and it provides housing services . so there's there and it provides housing services. so there's an illusion and people think that constantly rising house prices are in some sense or other, making the country better off. they're . not country better off. they're. not at all right. >> what do you think is going to happen to interest rates over the to happen to interest rates over themonths? to happen to interest rates over themonths? i to happen to interest rates over themonths? i orto 18 months? well, i level or come down the answer is i down the honest answer is i don't know. >> my fear is they're going >> but my fear is they're going to have to go up some i'm to have to go up some more. i'm on record as saying i think the peak something like peak will be something like about i don't know. it about 6. right? i don't know. it depends, of course, on what happens inflation. but i happens to inflation. but i think be think inflation is going to be quite . right. and quite obstinate. right. and the bank think, get tougher. >> do you the tougher. >> do you think the bank of england bailey,

>> do you think the bank of engibeen bailey, >> do you think the bank of engibeen doing bailey, >> do you think the bank of engibeen doing a bailey, >> do you think the bank of engibeen doing a good bailey, >> do you think the bank of engibeen doing a good job? ailey, has been doing a good job? what's analysis of what's your analysis of his performance in office so far? >> it's very tough >> well, look, it's a very tough job. very job. job. it's a very tough job. >> caveating your answering. >> no, a very tough job. he >> no, it's a very tough job. he hasn't excelled. but it's not just him. it's the other members of he excelled. it's the other members of the committee. right. that it's not just don't that it's not just him. don't forget . he's just one voice on forget. he's just one voice on the has vote the committee. he has one vote and, point to the and, you know, point to the others on committee who've others on the committee who've been with committee? >> they're leaning . >> they're too left leaning. they're of prone to they're too kind of prone to treasury orthodoxy that they are managing decline rather than stimulating growth. just characterise what's wrong with this committee ? this committee? >> well, their big mistake was not to spot inflation rising on the horizon when some other people outside could . and people outside could. and that's, i think, nothing whatever with left wing whatever to do with left wing politics. to do with their politics. it's to do with their take on economics, if you like, and the way they observe the economy and the bank of england model was next useless . so model was next to useless. so i think there's been something wrong with the quality and behaviour and nature of the people committee and in people on the committee and in

particular it was too particular it was it was too much one in vein of one intellectual approach . we need intellectual approach. we need some mavericks on that committee i >> -- >> good point upon which to end .thank >> good point upon which to end . thank you very much for your time this morning. roger bootle . the temperatures rising boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> good evening, my name is rachel ayers and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast brought to you by the met office. so we have seen quite a few showers across the uk. for many though , it has been many today though, it has been dry some. and as we look dry for some. and as we look towards the new week this area of high pressure will just come across uk. very briefly , across the uk. very briefly, bringing some settled weather across the but back to a across the south. but back to a tonight's weather and showers will slowly ease, becoming more confined to northern and western areas with clear spells elsewhere combined with light winds will make for quite a cool

night tonight. so temperatures in rural areas dropping into mid or even low single figures. it will make for a fresh but bright start to the new week with plenty of sunshine around , plenty of sunshine around, though, we will start to see that cloud bubbling up, allowing showers to develop through the morning. showers will be mostly across northern areas. they might into east might just creep into east anglia for time with that high anglia for a time with that high pressure keeping things mostly dry across the south. so feeling pretty pleasant in the sunshine with highs of 22 or locally, 23 in the south—east now, as we go into tuesday, an area of low pressure moves in from the west. nothing as developed as what we saw on saturday, but will bring quite a bit of cloud rain and drizzle , especially to western drizzle, especially to western areas. drier and brighter day areas. a drier and brighter day across the north. and as we look towards midweek with that drier and more settled weather, looking to around looking to stay around with those temperatures on the rise . those temperatures on the rise. the temperatures rising , boxt

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