it is not escape my notice that actually all of this talk is about what do we do with people once they are here? has our government given up on the actual task of stopping people trying to reach this country in the first place? and i also want to talk to you a deep and meaningful religion. fewer of us than ever before now follow a religion , particularly when it religion, particularly when it comes things like christian comes to things like christian unity. i can't help but notice, as country does as well that this country does seem be in of a mess. seem to be in a bit of a mess. is there a link the two? is there a link between the two? if you don't have that central religious focus ? does it lead to religious focus? does it lead to potential carnage elsewhere? and richard branson, a man i massively admire. he says

politicians are lacking the courage to admit that their drug policy has failed. he says it is now time for massive, monumental reform when it comes to the law around drugs. is he right or wrong? and i've just had a lovely weekend away with my family, but in a place that i could not spend a single penny of cash . we've also now got of cash. we've also now got banks basically saying they are going to limit how much cash you can put into your banks, never mind withdraw. can put into your banks, never mind withdraw . what is going on? mind withdraw. what is going on? i want to talk again about our do not kill cash campaign. we've got it all coming up. housewives favourite as well, ben habib keeping me company but before we get into it all, let's bring ourselves up to speed with tonight's latest headlines . tonight's latest headlines. >> michelle, thank you. well, the top story tonight today is that eight buses have been arriving at the bibby stockholm to deliver migrants to their new

accommodation today . it's not accommodation today. it's not known how many asylum seekers are arriving today, but we do know that the refugee charity calais says several migrants who were given notice to relocate to the barge did not board after their lawyers had their transfer was cancelled. well health and safety concerns have also caused further delays with the firefighters union. the fbu warning the barge is a potential death trap. safeguarding minister sarah dines told gb news, though, that the move is justified and despite the concerns , anything like this, concerns, anything like this, where a large groups of migrants are congregated , is never are congregated, is never popular, which is why we have to stop the crisis in the channel. >> but we can't do that by having the pull factors of having the pull factors of having wonderful hotels, being used for illegal migrants who've travelled through several safe countries to get here. let's not forget that . we

forget that. we >> well, that was sarah dines. we can also tell you the shadow international secretary, nick thomas—symonds, told gb news labour would find a way to stop the small boat arriving. >> so what we will be doing is driving down that asylum backlog. we'll do that firstly by using using the £140 million the government's currently spent on rwanda plan, which has sent more home secretaries through a&e than people to actually have a cross border policing unit to try and bust the model of the people smuggling gangs so that fewer people end up in the engush fewer people end up in the english channel on that dangerous crossing in the first place. well local campaigner kate robson from the group no to the barge says the vessel she thinks is a safety risk . thinks is a safety risk. >> if you look at the gangway going up the side of that vessel, it is very narrow and it is high. you have 500 men. if there's an incident in the middle of the night, they all speak different languages . it speak different languages. it could be chaos trying to get off

there. and i'm very concerned. and also for our fire fighters as well. but our issue is not with the asylum seekers at all. >> well, a senior source has told gb news that any plans to send asylum seekers to ascension island in the south atlantic for processing is pie in the sky and unachieved goal. the source told us the plans were already considered and dismissed by both bofis considered and dismissed by both boris johnson and the former home secretary priti patel , as home secretary priti patel, as completely unworkable . the completely unworkable. the island is a british overseas territory located over 4000 miles away and businesses and landlords who knowingly support illegal migrants will face increased fines from next year under new government plans. bosses who employ asylum seekers could see penalties of up to £60,000 per breach, which that's triple the current amount. the prime minister also says he's increased police raids by 50% to help clamp down on illegal workers. the home office saying

illegal working and renting are significant pull factors for those making the dangerous journey across the english channel. well, that comes as the leader of a criminal gang which recruited illegal migrants to work as cleaners at sainsbury's supermarkets, has been jailed for six years. mamadou cuni was found guilty of six counts of assisting unlawful immigration action and three counts of concealing criminal property. four others were also sentenced. the organised crime group profited from around £600,000 by facilitating the work placement and housing of around 40 illegal workers in wiltshire and in oxfordshire . now the bodies of oxfordshire. now the bodies of three people have been found in glencoe. police scotland say the hillwalkers were reported missing after failing to return from a trip on saturday. the alarm was raised shortly after 9:00 that evening. the force says there are no suspicious circumstance cases . nhs

circumstance cases. nhs consultants in england will strike in september if they don't reach an agreement with the government , they say. the the government, they say. the bma is saying staff will be walking out on the 19th and 20th of september if the health secretary doesn't return to the table to discuss pay and reform to the pay review process itself . scientist have started developing new vaccines as an insurance against future pandemics . the work is being pandemics. the work is being carried out at the government's high security porton down laboratory in wiltshire . the laboratory in wiltshire. the doctors have drawn up a list of animal viruses which are capable of infecting humans and could potentially spread around the world. sport and the lionesses have secured a place in the quarterfinals of the women's world cup after a dramatic penalty shootout win over nigeria. england has scored four goals, while nigeria netted only two following the 123 minute match. chloe kelly scored the winning goal following other

successful shots from beth england , rachel daley and alex england, rachel daley and alex greenwood . and lauren james was greenwood. and lauren james was sent off during the match, though, for stamping on one of the nigerian players . the prince the nigerian players. the prince and princess of have. and princess of wales have. congrats elated lionesses congrats elated the lionesses and now face jamaica or and they now face jamaica or colombia in the quarterfinals on saturday. fans describe the game as an emotional roller coaster for a really tough game . for a really tough game. >> obviously, keira walsh came back, but her in after being injured , going down to ten injured, going down to ten players. but we were always going to win the game, always are amazing. honestly, i can't believe it. >> it was hard. >> it was hard. >> it's a tough game, but we got there in the end. >> you know, i'm really happy that we managed to get through, but i'm like, i think they could have played better though. >> you're watching and listening to across the uk on your to gb news across the uk on your tv, your car, on your digital tv, in your car, on your digital radio, your smart radio, and on your smart speaken radio, and on your smart speaker. now, by play gb speaker. now, by saying, play gb news this is britain's news.

channel thanks for that, polly . channel thanks for that, polly. >> hi, i'm michelle jubin. i'm with you till 7:00 tonight alongside the ceo of first property group and the former brexit party mep, ben habib , and brexit party mep, ben habib, and the former adviser to jeremy corbyn, james schneider. good evening, gents . have you been evening, gents. have you been watching lionesses ben? watching the lionesses ben? >> haven't, i'm afraid haven't. >> james have you been watching the highlights? >> the time zone makes it quite difficult to watch them live, but yeah, i've been watching them. >> have you been watching them at home? it your kind of at home? is it your kind of thing? get and let me thing? get in touch and let me know. are you into all of that or not? get in touch the usual ways and you can tell me what else is on your mind tonight. vaiews@gbnews.com how vaiews@gbnews.com is how you reach whatever reach me or twitter or whatever it's called these days at gb news. can there . now, news. you can get me there. now, our top story tonight after goodness knows how long of will they, won't they? well, anyway, yesterday they have kind of i'm talking baby talking about the baby stockholm. are on stockholm. now people are on board for the first time today. our homeland security editor, mark white, is live in portland,

dorset . mark, good evening to dorset. mark, good evening to you to talk us through for anyone that's just switching on their tv and radio today does not know what's been occurring . not know what's been occurring. an update, if you . will an update, if you. will >> well, yes, we had the first buses arriving sort of mid—morning and a few buses have arrived now , but not many people arrived now, but not many people on board as far as we can understand , probably less than understand, probably less than 20 were awaiting on a definiti word, really from the home office as to how many people were on board. those buses. we had care for kayleigh saying that they have been involved in some last minute intervention actions. i think it was always predictable that human rights groups, the charities and lawyers representing some of these channel migrants would try to intervene to stop some of them going on board the barge

that appears to an extent, at least to have been successful. but i think once we get confirmation from the home office of how many have gone on board, we'll have a better idea. we were . expecting 50 to go on we were. expecting 50 to go on board as the first cohort today . okay. so let's just see what they say in the coming hours. but about 500 odd is the total that we're expecting in the weeks and months ahead. will we get to 500? i'm not sure there are these concerns lingering about the fire safety on board that barge where it's been said that barge where it's been said that it was only ever designed for a maximum of 200, 250 people. and to put double that amount on then raises some serious issues about whether those people could evacuate quickly enough if there was a fire on board mark. >> quite fascinating stuff. thank you for that update . one

thank you for that update. one of my viewers, he's just got in touch, howard. he says , i am touch, howard. he says, i am sick of hearing about the migrant crisis. he puts it in capitals. i know you mean business. howard he says the reason why he's sick of hearing about it, in his words, not mine. he says the battle is lost. basically. no one's going to do anything. he says he doesn't feel like anything is going to happen. so this all this conversation pretty much this conversation is pretty much pointless . and it got me pointless. and it got me thinking. ben habib, there is a lot of stuff going on at the moment about what we do when people we send them people get here. do we send them on barge? send them on this barge? do we send them to island? what do you do? to this island? what do you do? the conversation about how actually to stop people and defend in defend our waters. et cetera. in the to have the first place seems to have almost died. a death now. >> completely. i mean, we've never had the political will or courage actually the courage to actually stop. the boats have we? we've tried any measure, and all measures , measure, any and all measures, with the exception of actually stopping the boats. and when rishi sunak says his top pledge was his top of his five pledges is to stop the boats or was it the bottom one? i can't

remember. was. remember. it was. >> in a minute. in >> he's got in a minute. in fact, actually, you've just teed it up nicely because he had a five plan. right. but five point plan. right. but today unveiled a today he's unveiled like a subplot, like a subplot, man. like it's like a five plan within the five five point plan within the five point just have point plan. let's just have a little listen to this. this one specifically the boats. specifically about the boats. >> five things i'm >> here are five things i'm doing stop the boats. first, doing to stop the boats. first, i'm bringing in new laws that will mean if you come the uk will mean if you come to the uk illegally, you can't stay, no matter how hard you try. second, i've secured a deal with france that will help stop the boats at source before they cross the channel. i've also negotiated a deal with albania, which has already helped us bring down crossings from there by 90. third, i've increased raids by 50% to clamp down on illegal workers. fourth, i'm ending the farce of illegal migrants being put up in hotels by the taxpayer . the fifth, i'm ensuring that the only way to come to the uk for asylum will be through safe and legal routes. i know stopping the boats is a priority

for the british people and i'm leaving no stone unturned to get it done . it done. >> well, the conspicuous absence , yes, there was actually stopping the boats. you know, we have a border force. we have a navy, that word. >> oh, well, i sat and watched that. i mean, i saw it earlier on. i watched that back again. then and i find myself kind of thinking it's almost like a it's like a it's not real. it's almost like some kind of weird odd sitcom. it's just weird and odd. >> well, i mean, when i was heanng >> well, i mean, when i was hearing the news about the barge today, i was thinking, this is almost like carry on migration. do you remember the carry on films? no, i'm only 21. >> ben obe. too young now. >> ben obe. we're too young now. >> ben obe. we're too young now. >> jones but i mean, it is becoming a farce if you're a smuggler of people and you want to the channel with with a to cross the channel with with a whole load illegal migrants, to cross the channel with with a who|you ad illegal migrants, to cross the channel with with a who|you look illegal migrants, to cross the channel with with a who|you look illwhat's igrants, yes. you look at what's happening the you look at happening in the uk, you look at the in rwanda, you look the failure in rwanda, you look at the failure the national at the failure of the national nationality borders bill. nationality and borders bill. you the failure the you look at the failure of the illegal migration which illegal migration bill, which is yet it onto statute

yet to make it onto the statute books and contrary to what rishi sunak just said, there will be a massive out for the massive carve out for the european court of human rights in very act. you look at european court of human rights in of very act. you look at european court of human rights in of thisy act. you look at european court of human rights in of this andt. you look at european court of human rights in of this and you u look at european court of human rights in of this and you just)k at european court of human rights in of this and you just end up all of this and you just end up laughing, including our inability move illegal inability to move on illegal mining agents from hotels onto a barge, a barge which has a gym, a snooker table full 24 over seven medical care taxis in and out of portland , a shuttle bus out of portland, a shuttle bus to take you to the point of collection. i mean, we couldn't be treating these people, you know, in a more civil, generous , fair, hospitable manner. >> i mean, this whole thing is a cruel theatre . that's actually cruel theatre. that's actually what it is, though . okay. if you what it is, though. okay. if you actually wanted to reduce the number of people who are risking their lives crossing the channel their lives crossing the channel, you would actually have safe routes. there are no safe routes for people to claim asylum to come into this country unless you're coming from ukraine or hong kong or afghanistan, which is basically closed. the home affairs select committee report said it's basically closed . so there's

basically closed. so there's effectively no legal route from afghanistan, which is why in the crossings last year, the largest country people were coming from was afghanistan . so if we want was afghanistan. so if we want to help people that are fleeing war and persecution , there is no war and persecution, there is no way there is no safe route. and this this barge and all the latest i will send a few people here, a few people there . there here, a few people there. there is a backlog of 170,000 cases to be processed . and year on year be processed. and year on year the government is reducing the ability to process those cases. just this weekend , the 60 just this weekend, the 60 lawyers, not 60 lawyers, 60 legal firms that do the legal work for migrants have written to the justice secretary saying they're not going to do it anymore because because the fees have been capped since 2005, the amount that's spent on translators has reduced . we translators has reduced. we don't have enough caseworkers. if you want to process the cases, it's not about moving 500, let's say 500, even though that's double what the safe limit, though, isn't it?

>> five costs putting a limit on costs. i would say is pretty sensible. >> well, not if you're not processing the 170, which they which they aren't. the 170,000 backlog cases that need to be processed to work out what are people's needs, what are people's needs, what are people's rights , how can they be people's rights, how can they be helped? that's not being done. so all of this, all of this stuff is they threw the rule book out of the window the other day. >> james, i don't know if you saw that saying that actually you don't have to present yourself. you don't to yourself. you don't have to answer any questions. fill this form we'll speed your form in and we'll speed up your asylum do you remember asylum process. do you remember that 12,000 people? asylum process. do you remember tha for 12,000 people? asylum process. do you remember tha for 12,000 peoples? asylum process. do you remember tha for 12,000 people from >> for 12,000 people from afghanistan 12,000 afghanistan and for 12,000 people the people who were i think, the oldest on waiting . so oldest on the waiting. so and they also from countries they were also from countries where they're 98 or 99% acceptance thing. so in an ideal world, would you do that? no in an ideal world, everyone would have a face to face interview and would do all of that and you would do all of that question. but when you're when the backlog is the question, when saying, you've when you're saying, oh, you've got acceptance got this really high acceptance rate, do you think that's because are genuinely because people are genuinely

meeting the criteria or do you think that's because are think that's because people are now smart fiddling the now become so smart fiddling the system actually there's system that actually there's massive system? massive flaws in the system? >> say it's the latter. >> i think if you're coming from afghanistan, if you're coming from france, though, aren't you, let's be you might have originated wherever, you're originated wherever, but you're coming and coming from france, right? and people when they people stop moving when they feel safe. people from afghanistan might have afghanistan san might have completely legitimate connection to britain given that we occupied their country for 20 years. they might have worked with with other british with the bbc, with other british institutions. might speak institutions. they might speak english. they are perfectly understandable reasons. if you were if you were an afghan person who was, for example, a news, you had this job in afghanistan, for example , you afghanistan, for example, you might want to leave the country, but we have conditions in which we have granted asylum to a lot of question . i was the question of question. i was the question i was being asked, is do i was being asked, though, is do i was being asked, though, is do i they're fiddling i think they're fiddling the system? the equivalent system? i think the equivalent of afghanistan, of michel in afghanistan, if they here. no, of they claim asylum here. no, of course fiddling course they're not fiddling the system. >> but but we have we have had very cast evidence. very cast iron evidence. >> there is a whole

>> now of there is a whole racket set up from whether it's lawyers helping people to cheat the system, whether it's medical people, helping people cheat the system by giving them kind of falsified information , if you falsified information, if you like, when it comes to people's medical records. and we hear now today that apparently some people have been stopped getting on these these barges or on these boats, these barges or whatever they've so whatever, because they've got so much being surrounded by much trauma being surrounded by water barge going water that this barge is going to their thing. well, if to trigger their thing. well, if you've trauma you've got so much trauma that gets triggered surrounded by gets triggered by surrounded by water, why have you just got on a dinghy? was your a dinghy? then where was your trauma you don't wash me. >> yeah, i find. >> yeah, i find. >> okay . firstly, in any system, >> okay. firstly, in any system, is there going to be a little bit of action around the edges in every single system? there is. but what we're talking about here is in the main, people fleeing war and persecution in their countries trying to start a new life here, trying to contribute to our societies. these people are not these people are not a threat to us. >> they're not a threat. james

james, of course there could be a threat to us. we don't know who these people are. they dispense with their paperwork before get here. we've got before they get here. we've got no clue. whole point about no clue. the whole point about a border control i'm not talking, you know, whole point you know, border the whole point about is to about border control is to be able control coming able to control who's coming into country in part into the country in part including who they are, including knowing who they are, which why you need to have a which is why you need to have a proper process to be able to assess cases. assess the cases. >> ten ago before a lot of >> ten years ago before a lot of these cuts, 98% or something of cases were assessed in six months. now it's almost zero. that's where we have a problem. and barges and rwanda and any of those things isn't going to solve it at all. it just carries on this cruel theatre. solve it at all. it just carries on last:ruel theatre. solve it at all. it just carries on last week:heatre. solve it at all. it just carries on last week ieatre. solve it at all. it just carries on last week i wase. solve it at all. it just carries on last week i was talking about >> last week i was talking about i think it was mel stride's idea about over 50 getting on their bikes delivering pizza says, bikes and delivering pizza says, do you remember that? >> sure it was only a few >> i'm sure it was only a few days maybe thursday or days ago, maybe thursday or friday whatever. and i was friday or whatever. and i was thinking why isn't thinking this weekend, why isn't there then? if you've there a policy then? if you've got these 50 that are got all these over 50 that are economically inactive you're economically inactive and you're desperate the desperate to get them into the world again, why don't world of work again, why don't you a crack team of, you create like a crack team of,

you create like a crack team of, you experts now get you know, like experts now get people back in from industry, train and get them train them up and get them processing the asylum backlog? why that focus ? why why isn't that the focus? why instead telling people instead are we telling people to deliver might be deliver pizzas? that might be a fast of getting it done. fast way of getting it done. would back into the would you go back into the workplace tackle this workplace to help tackle this asylum backlog? good or asylum backlog? good idea or not? is it a theatre? according to james? do you agree with that? give me your thoughts. gb views. gbnews.com. now i've got a very interesting question that i to pose you next. of i want to pose to you next. of course, now when it comes to religion, fewer of us are following any religious path. and wondering, do you think and i'm wondering, do you think there's a link between that and and i'm wondering, do you think there' of link between that and and i'm wondering, do you think there' of the< between that and and i'm wondering, do you think there' of the weird,aen that and and i'm wondering, do you think there' of the weird, crazy|at and and i'm wondering, do you think there' of the weird, crazy sociali some of the weird, crazy social dysfunction that is happening in this country right now ? yes or this country right now? yes or no

hello there . i am michelle hello there. i am michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. we've just been debating whether or not we've given up, quite frankly , when it given up, quite frankly, when it comes to even trying to stop

people getting in those dinghies and coming to this country in the first ken says , why the first place. ken says, why cut of these small cut the supply of these small boats and stopped? boats be traced and stopped? surely he says, it's tapping into the supply of that which will fix the problem. i think there's conversations now about trying that in trying to do that in collaboration . i think with the collaboration. i think with the germans, perhaps , john says germans, perhaps, john says nobody fleeing persecution nobody is fleeing persecution from that undermines from france and that undermines everything that the pro—immigration lobby to pro—immigration lobby want to ignore , ron says. how do you ignore, ron says. how do you process these people fairly and accurately when all you've got to go on is the information that they tell you? how does that not open the system up to abuse? there you go. your thoughts? keep them coming in. but alongside till seven tonight, alongside me till seven tonight, the property the ceo of first property group and brexit party mep, and the former brexit party mep, ben the former ben habib, and the former advisor to jeremy corbyn, jim schneider keeps me company now . schneider keeps me company now. are you a religious person and if so, are you practising in your religion and your faith? i started thinking today about an article triggered i accept by an

article triggered i accept by an article by a journalist called tim stanley, where it's looking at things like, for example, the trans ideology in society and connecting that perhaps in some way to the decline of religion. he's pondering whether or not it has led to a form of kind of social dysfunction , if you like, social dysfunction, if you like, and the prevalence of dangerous ideologies . what do you think to ideologies. what do you think to that ? that? >> ben habib well, before i answer that, i just want to say one thing. you may all people are equal, whether they're trans is bame , black, south asian , is bame, black, south asian, whatever they are, whatever religion they believe in, all people are equal and i think. >> what do you feel the need to say that because intriguing. >> yeah because i think what the debate has been to the point where the debate has been in favour of minorities. whatever minority it happens to be, ethnic, religious, sexual orient , asian gender identity and we promote those minorities above the majority . and i think that's

the majority. and i think that's where in the pursuit of political correctness and creating a level playing field, whatever the original perhaps honourable motive was, we've gone wrong and we've promoted these people, these minorities above. and i think to the detriment of the majority . so detriment of the majority. so i felt obliged to say everyone is equal before we have this discussion . discussion. >> we've got it on tape now. so roger that. >> one of the core principles of any religion of which i'm aware , with the exception of perhaps hinduism , which has a caste hinduism, which has a caste system, is that all people are equal. system, is that all people are equal . islam says all people are equal. islam says all people are equal equal. islam says all people are equal. judah all the judaic christian religions basically say all people are equal and thatis say all people are equal and that is a fundamental non—believers . yeah, all people non—believers. yeah, all people are in the eyes of god. all people are equal and i think that's a fundamental belief that comes through religion, which we've lost sight of . and when we've lost sight of. and when religion occupied our lives, we

did have cultural guidance because it brings cultural guidance with it. it obviously bnngs guidance with it. it obviously brings moral guidance with it and then you have the whole set of beliefs. now i'm a lapsed i'm not really into religion in any big way whatsoever, but i would say i'm culturally a christian, tolerant, open minded, and i believe in all things and all people being equal. believe in all things and all people being equal . and a lot of people being equal. and a lot of the moral guidance that you get from i observe and from christianity, i observe and i believe in and without a shadow of a doubt, when you start promoting an ideology over and above to the detriment of the majority, you have lost sight of your moral compass. the majority, you have lost sight of your moral compass . and sight of your moral compass. and i think this is what's gone wrong. we've allowed the promotion of these minority groups interests to subjugate the majority , and that is the majority, and that is fundamentally wrong . fundamentally wrong. >> do you agree with any of that, james? >> i agree that there's a lot of social dysfunction in our society, but i'd probably place it a rather different place. it in a rather different place. i think it's pretty dysfunctional if you've got privatised companies

privatised water companies pumping into people's pumping excrement into people's rivers and water. i think if you're in a society that's got billionaires and also children living in poverty, that that is dysfunctional. and i think if you look at, you know, as ben was saying, the core principles of most religions is something along the lines of do unto others, as you would have done unto you. and i think i'm not arguing that we should be more religious as a as a society. i'm i'm, you know, non secularjew . i'm, you know, non secularjew. i'm, you know, non secularjew. i'm not forcing i wouldn't push religion on anyone, although i have great respect for different people's religions. and i have studied them . but i think if studied them. but i think if we're actually true to those bafic we're actually true to those basic principles that come out of religion, we'd have a rather different society because you know it just looking back at the debate we were having about refugees these a minute ago, i think a lot of the things that we were hearing are not consistent with what jesus's teachings were , for example.

teachings were, for example. >> well, i would argue actually , james, what's a refugee ? yeah, , james, what's a refugee? yeah, but i would argue that what's happened with the whole refugee debate is we have elevated refugees or illegal migrants, as i as i call them , elevated them i as i call them, elevated them above our own people. then we have it . yes, we have. we are have it. yes, we have. we are putting them up in five star, four star hotels. they're refusing to go into barges or into tents that we've constructed for them. >> we should be putting people in tents, but we have a whole underclass of british citizens who are homeless, veterans who made them and who made the veterans homeless was it but the charity has to start at home. the veteran who was in afghanistan who has come back with ptsd with no job support, he is a very no, we with no housing deserves support and is not getting support. and is getting support. who is not stopping them getting their support? the refugee from afghanistan who has come from their country being occupied . their country being occupied. that person has not made the

veteran not get the mental health support, the veteran not get the job, the veteran not get the housing. this idea that we that the real antagonism in society is between one minority group and another group that thatis group and another group that that is challenged is absolutely false. no. but people who have benefited, the people who've benefited, the people who've benefited in in in our in our society from unemployment , from society from unemployment, from poverty. wages are not migrants and they are not the working class majority of this country. >> we promote to the point we put them on a pedestal. all these people who've come across from watch the news coverage on this channel. >> there is no putting them on a pedestal at all. >> if you look at the treatment, if punching down or kicking it, we have last year we spent 3.7 billion. we're going back to migrants again. it's a never ending discussion. last year we spent £3.7 billion on housing, feeding and taking care of the health issues of these people who have illegally entered our

country. we have put them on a pedestal to the detriment of british citizens, and that cannot be right. i mean, we haven't put them on a pedestal. >> it's not to the detriment of british citizens. the danger to most people who are going about their their day , who are worried their their day, who are worried about how they're going to pay their bills, they're worried about their job security. it's about theirjob security. it's not people come over and not some people come over and dinghies. that's not what's causing the long standing economic crisis that we have in this. it is a significant contributing factor . okay. contributing factor. okay. >> 3.7 billion would almost reduce working, would reduce the lowest tax bracket from 20% to 19. that would be a big infusion of cash into people's back pockets in a cost of living crisis pay in this country. >> is that the level it was in 2005? people fleeing wars several of which we were involved in too. but they're not fleeing wars to flee france, to seek a place of safety. yeah. did not cause the wage

stagnation that we have. did not cause the financial crisis , did cause the financial crisis, did not cause the i tell you, soaring handout that was given by quantitative easing in the covid crisis, which massively inflated the wealth of people that already have money. none of these things were caused by migrants, none of these things unbridled cause were caused by the minority being put on a pedestal above the majority. >> unbridled immigration undoubtedly has kept a lid on wages. undoubtedly, his obviated the need for companies to innovate and to upskill to automate, to increase productivity . 80. it is the big productivity. 80. it is the big companies that have benefited from it. we've created i agree we've created a dependency culture where people can make just as much on benefits almost as they would in the lowest paid jobs in the united kingdom, so they don't do so we fallen they don't do them. so we fallen back onto unbridled immigration to solve our problems. it's almost racist response, but almost a racist response, but we've way off the topic and we've gone way off the topic and the topic is that there's an absence of values in society at

the moment as a result of trans ideology . ideology. >> well, definitely an absence of something in society at the moment. and i would say that thatis moment. and i would say that that is the sunshine it's supposed to be summertime. what's is going on? the weather , that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on . gb news evening. weather on. gb news evening. >> i'm alex deakin and this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news a bit of a north south split with the weather tomorrow. mostly fine across whereas the across the north, whereas in the south grey tuesday with south quite a grey tuesday with rain and drizzle from this little weather feature. >> look much, it? >> doesn't look much, does it? but it is introduced more cloud rain drizzle go rain and drizzle as we go through and it'll through the evening and it'll continue the south continue across the south overnight. have overnight. we do have some showers course, showers around. of course, northern scotland at moment. northern scotland at the moment. some heavy ones and there some heavy ones here and there as they'll steady lee fade as well. they'll steady lee fade through the night and then a good part of scotland, northern ireland, eastern ireland, northern and eastern england clear england will be dry and clear through the night and will through the night and that will allow a little

allow it to turn a little chilly. temperatures down into single mild night in single figures, a mild night in the because cloud the south—west because the cloud is it's going to make is moving in. it's going to make for a miserly, drizzly start across south and west wales and south—west england . and some of south—west england. and some of that light rain and drizzle will trickle towards the midlands and eventually the eventually towards the south—east. a bright south—east. so after a bright start here and for east anglia it cloud much of it will cloud over much of northern though northern northern england though northern ireland, central southern scotland day with scotland having a fine day with some spells , just a few some sunny spells, just a few showers far north where showers in the far north where it'll be breezy and still it'll still be breezy and still on cool side. temperatures on the cool side. temperatures struggling 20 degrees struggling to reach 20 degrees for us. there are for most of us. but there are signs warmer weather on the signs of warmer weather on the way. a fine day for many on wednesday will be again quite cloudy west. some patchy cloudy in the west. some patchy rain for northern ireland certainly morning . misty certainly in the morning. misty and around the coasts in and murky around the coasts in the south—west. but for a good chunk of the country wednesday looking with hazy looking dry with some hazy sunshine and starting to turn a little warmer with temperatures more widely into the 20s that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of

weather on gb news news. >> well , like where weather on gb news news. >> well, like where is weather on gb news news. >> well , like where is that? >> well, like where is that? >> well, like where is that? >> somehow i was hoping that that was going to tell me it's on its way. but i don't think so. do you? anyway we're just talking, diane, on twitter says we've just been a we've just been having a conversation about whether or not migrants, not people like migrants, refugees, whatever want to refugees, whatever we want to call are placed above call them, are placed above people country. the people in this country. the argument been having argument we've been having is, no, not. well, diane says, no, we're not. well, diane says, what about all british what about all those british workers, just workers, then, that have just been from their jobs in been sacked from their jobs in all of hotels? certainly all of the hotels? certainly they would feel lower in the pecking for sure. they would feel lower in the pechould for sure. they would feel lower in the pechould just for sure. they would feel lower in the pechould just been for sure. they would feel lower in the pechould just been querying. they would feel lower in the pechould just been querying the lee would just been querying the decline religion . lee says decline of religion. lee says work the new religion and work is the new religion and thatis work is the new religion and that is why he says, we are going as a society to hell in a handcart. i might carry on that conversation. actually, in a couple of minutes. don't go

hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till seven alongside me, ben habib and

james schneider are still here. graham says, i thought you were supposed to be talking about religion then, michel, why did you topic? we did go off you go off topic? we did go off topic a little bit, but it was indeed connected. peter says, michel, me laugh. a michel, don't make me laugh. a lack of religion sign of lack of religion is a sign of intellectual common sense, he says. are says. religious beliefs are responsible the responsible for the vast majority of wars globally . pete majority of wars globally. pete says, i've got a strong opinion on this religious topic. i'm in full agreement with richard dawkins. he says religion is the root of all evil. sean says people have replaced traditional religion with new ones things like sex and gender and race and politics, he says. but the trouble is, they're all zealots, extremists, fundamentalist . and extremists, fundamentalist. and we now going through the we are now going through the inquisition of work cancel culture. torture the culture. the torture and the pubuc culture. the torture and the public execution those that public execution of those that blaspheme . why are you laughing? blaspheme. why are you laughing? i think well, i put it very well. >> but i mean, you know, exemplified the whole issue very well, i think absolutely . well, i think absolutely. >> but do we i mean, does it matter for that? fewer people are following like a religious kind of framework because i am

not overly religious , i must not overly religious, i must confess. but i do think that religion gives a framework. it does.i religion gives a framework. it does. i think it's very important, particularly for our family units. sometimes not always, i confess. but in terms of family life, i think religion can really help provide a framework there for people. and i think what's happening is those kind of the value sets , those kind of the value sets, that commonality that shared connection, that shared belief in something that does seem to be kind of dissipating now and then into that void becomes this kind of, i think a man can become a woman. and if you disagree with me, then off with your head, quite frankly , kind your head, quite frankly, kind of thing. and i do think it might be problematic for that reason. >> well, i mean, completely >> well, i mean, i completely agree. there are agree. i think there are cultural guidances . there are cultural guidances. there are cultural guidances. there are cultural benefits get from cultural benefits you get from religion. moral religion. there are moral guidances . and also are, i guidances. and you also are, i think people who religious think people who are religious have a kind of inner peace and self confidence acas which you lose if you completely give. you

know, i'm not saying i'm sorry. i just rephrase that. you don't necessarily lose it, but you're at risk of losing that self—confidence if don't self—confidence if you don't have you if you have faith. you know, if you have faith. you know, if you have faith, have have faith, you have self—confidence because you believe instantly believe in god. you instantly have that reassurance that faith gives you. and there is no shadow of a doubt in my mind that the state has interfered so much in our lives that it is now beginning even to occupy the space that used to be occupied by religion. and it comes back , by religion. and it comes back, you know, sorry to bring it back to this subject, but it comes back to the environmental, social and corporate governance guidelines that i was talking about, in about, which is pervasive in business and it's the corporate equivalent of what the government is trying to get us to in our private lives. and to do in our private lives. and woke is right. part of that the promotion of minorities to the detriment of the majority is part of that. and it's the whole system. and religion has moved out of the way and allowed it to do it. in fact , the church of do it. in fact, the church of england is complicit bit in

what's going on. we have well, we have we have an archbishop. i used to be shy of saying this, but i feel i need to say it. we have an archbishop of canterbury who doesn't believe in the united kingdom , who holds our united kingdom, who holds our history in contempt at who thinks that we're we should somehow pay reparations for the slave trade, even though it was this country that abolished slavery , that it was this slavery, that it was this country that spent more money in the 19th century policing the world, trying to eliminate slavery. then it then it earned from slavery. that's a well—documented fact. and i'd you know, if we had we had the dean of trinity college chapel the other day claiming that jesus was probably transgender there, and he had his congregation in tears. we've got an archbishop of canterbury who would promote these illegal crossings of the channel to the detriment, i would argue, james, of the british people. and so the church is part of the

problem. >> he agrees with you. >> he agrees with you. >> the church has become part of the problem, religion as it's been practised through. you know, the archbishop of canterbury, i'm afraid, has vacated the field. i mean, it's i'm certainly not a spokesperson for the church of england, but part of the teachings, as i understand it, of the church, is to do with charity tolerance and doing unto others, as you'd have done unto yourself all those things you mentioned seem to be in that basic framework , so you in that basic framework, so you can disagree with it. >> but the idea that that this is somehow the downfall of society, it's linked to the collapse of religion, what we do have is , is a lack of community have is, is a lack of community and a lack of personal spiritual development in our. why is that lack of community come from? >> what's causing that? well i'll i think we've had the breakdown of lots of collective civic institutions in the last kind of 40, 45 years as the economy has changed. >> i think in large parts of the

country where you would have had 1 or 2 major employers in in a place, you would have had lots you would have lots people working together. that creates community. you would have pubs and institutions that people involved in as our society has become more atomised , we have become more atomised, we have less , you know, less community less, you know, less community and we're sitting at home posting angrily on our own rather than being part of something larger together. but there's also no space for individual spiritual development and mysticism and so on. but all of these things should be based in a common, an idea of a common humanity and a common kindness, and that there are some teachers, most people are kind. >> james, whether it's religion, religious people or not, most people at their hearts are fundamentally i agree with you. >> i'm not. and that's why i'm saying that firstly, of course, i totally reject this idea that the minority is being put ahead of the majority or whatever it is, it is come on.

is, but it is come on. >> i've just given you one example. >> i mean, unless you're talking about people about the people that own everything, interests set everything, whose interests set the agenda for society, then of course, we we can talk course, then we then we can talk about the many in the few. but i mean the few that run things are not point 2% of the not the nought point 2% of the population that are trans or whatever may be. whatever that may be. >> well there you go. do >> right. well there you go. do you that is? you know what that is? a conversation. think what i'm conversation. i think what i'm to one of these days, to going do one of these days, everybody is i'm going to do shows maybe once a month or so on the questions, because on the big questions, because some issues, they some of these issues, they really kind of broad really are kind of broad questions deep questions really are kind of broad querthey; deep questions really are kind of broad querthey couldieep questions really are kind of broad querthey could spend jestions really are kind of broad querthey could spend a stions really are kind of broad querthey could spend a whole like they could spend a whole hour a couple of these hour on just a couple of these questions. that sure. questions. that is for sure. when back after the when i come back after the break, want touch on drugs break, i want to touch on drugs and on the fact that and also on the fact that actually you can pretty much hardly ever spend your pennies, your these days your readies these days anywhere. what is going when your readies these days arcomese. what is going when your readies these days arcomese.vpeoplegoing when your readies these days arcomese. vpeople taking when your readies these days arcomese. vpeople taking awayzn it comes to people taking away our to spend our

hello there, michelle dewberry

with you till seven alongside me, ben habib and jim schneider continue the conversation. we've just been talking about religion . ian on twitter, someone says christianity formed the backbone of the west moral compass. he says, i'm not religious, but i do respect christianity do respect what christianity provides and did to build our society. what do you make to that? do you agree with it? david says. michelle charity begins at home. whether you are religious or you are not. wealth and riches is the new religion, says another one of my viewers. what do you think to that? is that something you agree with? let's talk drugs, shall we? because we've just been talking about the our society about the state of our society and what is to blame in some ways for the kind of decline that we see in a lot of different a man that i different areas? a man that i admire lot, richard admire a lot, sir richard branson, he's been talking out about he reckons we've about drugs. he reckons we've lost so—called drugs. lost the so—called war on drugs. we reform now and we need radical reform now and possible decriminalisation. what do you make to his view on that? do you share it or not? >> broadly speaking, yeah. the

war on drugs hasn't worked. if you look at it, it war on drugs hasn't worked. if you look at it , it doesn't stop you look at it, it doesn't stop problem use, it doesn't stop deaths. it doesn't stop hiv infections . and then you look at infections. and then you look at cases where countries where they have decriminalised drugs. so if you take portugal where they've now got about 25 years since they changed their policy , we they changed their policy, we can at it and treatment for can look at it and treatment for addiction is up . can look at it and treatment for addiction is up. hiv can look at it and treatment for addiction is up . hiv cases are addiction is up. hiv cases are down, usage is broadly the same and deaths are way down. so i think on that basis, that should happen. and then also from a kind of all drugs, though, do you mean so like you would regard, i don't know, say, heroin in the same way that you would regard, say, cannabis as well. i would probably view well. so i would probably view heroin and people who have heroin and people who have heroin addiction as a medical issue rather social issue rather than a social issue. so how can you. yeah, so how can you how can you treat that as a health issue to try to get person off that, to try get the person off that, to try to help them in, in their lives? and i think we've tried for a really long time using the

criminal justice system the criminal justice system as the main deal with it. and we main way to deal with it. and we can it hasn't really can see that it hasn't really worked. i think should worked. so i think we should look at ways to other ways look at other ways to other ways to with and that's what to deal with it. and that's what they've that's what they've done in portugal. they're looking at doing something in doing a trial of something in scotland. think are scotland. i think these are things should be looking at. >> ben well, i mean, just because the criminal justice system isn't , in system hasn't worked isn't, in my an argument to legalise it. >> the criminal justice system is on many, is failing us on many, many different at moment . different fronts at the moment. so—called low level crime doesn't this rate legalising. >> people burgling your house as long you're in absolutely in. >> and actually, you know, michel, we've kind done that michel, we've kind of done that because police say they're because the police say they're not going investigate not really going to investigate it been stolen, it if your car has been stolen, they're not going investigate they're not going to investigate it. you've if you've had your it. if you've if you've had your shop burgled and so on. well, what they call looks. yeah. but it is part of the same problem. and instead of instead of having the battle and maintaining the battle lines and preventing a recession from good moral behaviour, what we do each time is cede ground and just retreat

and richard branson, for all his great business nous, is advocating that we just simply recede away from the battle and without wishing to misappropriate phrases , you know misappropriate phrases, you know minor drug use is entry level drug if you like to bigger issues to going into crime to stealing and everything else. so you've got to draw your battle lines . and we mustn't legally lines. and we mustn't legally size it. we've got to go on fighting the battle. the reason drugs are illegal. let's just remind ourselves , is that they remind ourselves, is that they are inherently bad for us. that's why they're illegal. >> but so is alcohol in vast quantities. >> in vast quantities. smoking in vast. in vast quantities. >> should we have a harm based policy so relative harm to relative relative drugs, should we have is that what you're suggesting, kind of science led, harms based policy? >> well, i'm very reluctant to put my hands put my destiny in the hands of scientists , you the hands of scientists, you know, unbridled sort of

authority given to foe knowledge. but look , are you knowledge. but look, are you arguing that marijuana should be legalised? is that where you're going with your question, then? >> well, i mean, yes, but also in general terms, i think we should we should have a scientific approach and we should have humane approach. should have a humane approach. there's approach is there's a scientific approach is what harms to what are the harms to individuals society. the individuals and society. and the humane if you had humane one is like if you had a family member who had a drug problem, you want them to problem, would you want them to get support you get medical support or would you take police and take them to the police and i think every single one of us would try to get the medical support. and on that support. and it's on that principle should have principle that we should have that for society. >> it's such a difficult conversation, it? >> because when you unfortunately get onto the path of drug use, you don't just destroy your own lives. quite frankly , what you do, the harm frankly, what you do, the harm that do , especially your that you do, especially to your loved family and all loved ones, your family and all the rest of it, it just it just it really breaks my heart. um fortunately. that the fortunately. and is that the answer then? do we treat these people as victims and these drug

addicts? that addicts? are they victims that need cuddle and a of need a big cuddle and a bit of medical help and support as opposed to a police or prison cell ? your thoughts on that? i cell? your thoughts on that? i can't end show, by the way, can't end my show, by the way, without just mentioning again, before head off the don't kill before i head off the don't kill cash campaign here at gb news, we passion it about telling we are passion it about telling people all to allow us to keep cash as a way of buying in this country . if you support us, country. if you support us, there is the link to do so. i've just come back from a weekend away at centre parcs at mind saying it couldn't spend a penny literally anywhere, not even on the kiddies little amusement games. i had to do it all on my card is absolutely wrong. if you ask me. and if you agree with us, there is the link for you to get touch on one. look, get in touch on that one. look, time when we are having time flies when we are having a good debate. james, thank you very your company. ben very much for your company. ben habib thank very much for habib thank you very much for yours. i'm particularly interested on your thoughts on that drug issue and the religious one topics, which i will revisit again on another day. but for now, thank you for

your company. do not go anywhere. nigel farage is up next. i will see you tomorrow . next. i will see you tomorrow. >> the temperature's rising . a >> the temperature's rising. a boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> evening. i'm alex deakin and this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news a bit of a north south split with the weather tomorrow . mostly fine across the north, whereas quite whereas in the south quite a grey tuesday with rain and drizzle this little weather drizzle from this little weather feature. doesn't look much, does it? is introducing more it? but it is introducing more cloud rain and drizzle as we go through and will through the evening and it will continue across south continue across the south overnight. do have some overnight. so we do have some showers around across northern scotland some scotland at the moment. some heavy there as heavy ones here and there as well. steadily fade well. they'll steadily fade through and a through the night and then a good of scotland, northern good part of scotland, northern ireland, northern and eastern england will be dry and clear through the night and that will allow to turn a little allow it to turn a little chilly. temperatures down into single night in single figures, a mild night in the because cloud single figures, a mild night in th moving because cloud single figures, a mild night in th moving in. because cloud single figures, a mild night in th moving in. it'syecause cloud single figures, a mild night in th moving in. it's going; cloud single figures, a mild night in th moving in. it's going to cloud single figures, a mild night in th moving in. it's going to make jd is moving in. it's going to make for miserly, drizzly start for a miserly, drizzly start across south and west wales and

south—west england and some of that light rain and drizzle will trickle towards the midlands and eventually the eventually towards the south—east. a bright south—east. so after a bright start here and for east anglia it cloud over. for much of it will cloud over. for much of northern england though northern ireland, southern ireland, central, southern scotland fine day with scotland having a fine day with some sunny spells, just a few showers where showers in the far north where it'll be breezy and still it'll still be breezy and still on the cool side. temperatures struggling to reach degrees struggling to reach 20 degrees for there are for most of us. but there are signs weather on the signs of warmer weather on the way . a fine day for many on way. a fine day for many on wednesday will again quite wednesday will be again quite cloudy west. some patchy cloudy in the west. some patchy rain northern rain for northern ireland certainly morning. misty certainly in the morning. misty and around coasts in and murky around the coasts in the for a good the south—west. but for a good chunk country wednesday chunk of the country wednesday looking dry with some hazy sunshine and starts to turn a little warmer with temperatures more widely into 20s , the more widely into the 20s, the temperatures rising on boxt solar >> proud sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> good evening. well yes, it is the day in portland where the first migrants go to on the barge in portland harbour. first migrants go to on the barge in portland harbour . and barge in portland harbour. and we'll be joined live from there by gb news mark white. not many are on, but we're told by the end of the week it could be full of 500 people. good or bad? plus a plan to now send people across the channel to the ascension islands. is that really a possibility ? natwest bank say possibility? natwest bank say that from the 11th of september. they're going to put swingeing limits on the amount of cash you can take out and put in the cashless society is very, very close . it's join gb news close. it's time to join gb news don't kill cash campaign . and don't kill cash campaign. and we're joined from america by a man born into poverty who is now one of the richest men in the world. he did it through oil and gas. i'm going to ask him, what have we got wrong , harold hamm, have we got wrong, harold hamm, in this