and world. he did it through oil and gas. i'm going to ask him, what have we got wrong , harold hamm, have we got wrong, harold hamm, in this country with our energy policy? and isn't net zero even achievable ? but before of achievable? but before all of that , let's get the news with that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst . polly middlehurst. >> nigel, thank you and good evening to you. well, a grand total of 15 migrants boarded the bibby stockholm barge today. a vessel capable of holding 500 people. it's being reported that 20 others refused through their lawyers to get on board who cancelled their transfer papers . campaigners say the vessel is a safety risk. but cheryl avery , who's the director of asylum accommodation , says all the accommodation, says all the safety issues have been addressed with regards to security and safety . security and safety. >> it's of absolute paramount importance to us as the home office. anybody in our care needs to be looked after. well so we've gone through and made sure that we're working really closely with the fire and

closely with the dorset fire and safety and fire and rescue apologies . and we have worked apologies. and we have worked with the local authorities as well to make sure that the safety of all individuals on site is of paramount importance i >> meanwhile, a senior source has told gb news today that any plans to send asylum seekers to ascension an island in the south atlantic for processing is pie in the sky and unachievable, the source told gb news the plans had been already considered and dismissed by both boris johnson and the former home secretary priti patel, as completely unworkable . the island is a unworkable. the island is a british overseas territory located about 4000 miles away and businesses and landlords who knowingly support illegal migrants will face increased fines from next year under new government plans. bosses who employ asylum seekers could see penalties of up to £60,000 per breach. that's triple the current amount the prime minister also says he's increased police raids by 50% to

help clamp down on illegal workers . strike news and workers. strike news and consultants in england will go on strike in september if they don't reach an agreement with the government on pay. the bma says staff will walk out on the 19th and 20th of september if the health secretary doesn't return to the table and discuss pay return to the table and discuss pay and reform to the pay review process . finally, sport . the process. finally, sport. the lionesses have secured a place in the quarterfinal of the women's world cup after a dramatic penalty shootout win over nigeria today, england scored four goals. nigel area netted only two following the 123 minute match. chloe kelly scored the winning goal following other successful shots from beth england. rachel daly and alex greenwood. lauren james had to be sent off during the match for stamping on one of the nigerian players. they're going to face either jamaica or colombia now in the quarterfinals on saturday. you're with gb news across the

uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying, play gb news. this is britain's news . by saying, play gb news. this is britain's news. channel >> well, we start tonight with some extraordinary footage taken in the english channel about nine days ago and have a look at this. that's one of these new dinghies , people clinging over dinghies, people clinging over the side . and there are now some the side. and there are now some boats coming across that are even bigger than that. some of the new boats can take 70 or 80 people. and you'll notice looking at those there, i can't see any female ones. i can't see any children . maybe there are any children. maybe there are some hidden down below. but as we know, 90% plus of those that come are young men . the question come are young men. the question is what on earth are we going to do with them now , the bibby do with them now, the bibby stockholm, the barge has been talked about for a very, very long time. and today the first migrants boarded. i understand about 15, only 15 people so far

have gone on to this barge. but it could be up to 500 by the end of the week. and it's a massive news story . the labour party news story. the labour party appear to be all over the place. i honestly can't work out whether they support the use of the barge or whether they don't. i suspect on balance they don't, but who knows? it's difficult to tell. they're so busy contradict each other. but quite why the bibby stockholm is such a big story when already already there are over 50,000 in hotel bills? i don't know. i guess it's the visual image and the government are talking tough . they're are talking tough. they're saying that if you employ somebody who is here illegally , somebody who is here illegally, if you let a property to somebody who is here illegally, you're going to be subject to absolutely massive fines . but absolutely massive fines. but given the number of convictions for these offences has gone down by two thirds since 2016, how can anybody really take it seriously ? but into this mix

seriously? but into this mix today, the big new idea we're going to send people across the channel as rwanda has been ruled unlawful , channel as rwanda has been ruled unlawful, all we're going to send them to the ascension islands down in the south atlantic. i ask you , is this atlantic. i ask you, is this really the answer? well well, it is. i guess it is. i guess a british territory or dependent territory . so there wouldn't be territory. so there wouldn't be a problem in sending them there. but what on earth would you do with them once they're there? and what about those who, let's say, pass the refugee test? well, they'd need to be flown back. and what on earth do you do with those that don't pass? i think the whole thing is completely and utterly impractical . but you tell me, is impractical. but you tell me, is this the answer to farage at gbnews.com? now, we've all heard of the ascension islands. i've never been , and i'll bet hardly never been, and i'll bet hardly anybody watching or listening to this has ever been . so what's it this has ever been. so what's it like? can it cope it's 4500

miles away from its population is somewhere . between 8 and 900. is somewhere. between 8 and 900. and from the photographs i've seen, well, it looks pretty inhospitable, but somebody who knows it rather better than the rest of us is simon fearnley, a former corporal in the raf on ascension island. and simon joins me down the line now. now, simon, we've got raf bases there. we've got american on military bases there. what else is there on ascension island ? is there on ascension island? >> not much. the bbc are there when i was there many years ago, ariane , the space programme for ariane, the space programme for the french space program was there . other than that, yeah, there. other than that, yeah, not much. just a few people. there's a school. there's a hospital . there are families hospital. there are families living there, but not many . just living there, but not many. just to support the, you know , mainly to support the, you know, mainly the bbc. now, i think there's much else going. >> obviously it played a role 40

years ago with the falkland islands, with the famously the vulcan bomber flying from there. but simon, looking at the pictures, it looks pretty bleak. it doesn't look like there's an awful lot to do there . awful lot to do there. >> oh, there's nothing to do . we >> oh, there's nothing to do. we just drank. we just had parties and enjoyed ourselves . sat on and enjoyed ourselves. sat on the beach, watched the turtles come in, very little. there was no radio as such because it's the relay site for the world service. the radio waves interfered with any reasonable connection with the outside world. so you were isolated , world. so you were isolated, basically got the newspaper twice a week. that was about it . yeah. >> i guess. beautiful place, though. >> it's beautiful. it's like the surface of the moon, you know, british, british servicemen and women having parties and enjoying themselves. >> it's not unusual. i'm quite pleased to hear that you did that. hadn't realised for the that. i hadn't realised for the bbc how important it was to the world service. but i mean, the population is 900 max. the idea that we're going to fly

thousands of people to the ascension it's not ascension islands, it's not really practical, is it ? really practical, is it? >> i wouldn't have thought so. there's no infrastructure there for them. there's no water. we don't don't have a don't have they don't have a natural water supply. it's all desalinisation plants, gas and electric . it's all diesel electric. it's all diesel generators or wind power now a little bit. but there's just not the infrastructure there to support. no food is grown as such. a few tomatoes um it's very inhospitable place nothing grows naturally there. so it all has to be flown in. it all has to be imported. and the americans used to import a lot of it. i'm not even sure how many are there now because of the challenger. you know, the space shuttles, things finished . so unless they're going to spark that up and you spent time there as a serviceman, let me ask you, simon, would you go back there on holiday tomorrow? >> you would absolutely right. okay. well, there's one endorsement, at least everybody

who has been there and stayed there, it was one of the best places to be because it's so small . small. >> everybody knows each other. it's like living in a little village. um, but i can't see, you know, a few thousand refugees enjoying it at all. it's very hot, very inhospitable. >> well, thank you for your first hand account of living on ascension and thanks for joining us on gb news, folks. i think the idea is completely and utterly crackers . that's my utterly crackers. that's my view. i don't think it'll ever happen, but virtually nothing they ever say does happen. let's go to portland and be joined by gb news home and security editor mark white. mark, as i understand it, a rather slow start. and through legal processes, several who were due to go to the barge didn't make it . it. >> i think we could have written this script beforehand . nigel it this script beforehand. nigel it was always a given that the

channel cities, the human rights groups , the lawyers representing groups, the lawyers representing these channel migrants would be putting in these last minute interventions to try to stop their clients being put on board. the bibby stockholm and it seems from the numbers that we're being told about that they've been successful in the vast majority of cases because it was being briefed out widely that we were expecting 50 asylum seekers going on board. the bbc stockholm today in the end, just 15 have gone on board. so that tells its own story. i think it seems every every single path that the government tries to take in, either putting these asylum seekers into military bases or to the bibby stockholm or wherever it might be, rwanda . of course, there are countless legal challenges that just bog the whole thing down.

>> yeah , i mean, i think >> yeah, i mean, i think listening to care for calais, i don't think the ritz would be good enough, frankly, for these people. but mark, what we know, despite the challenges , is in despite the challenges, is in the end, the former raf bases get used. in the end, the hotels get used. in the end, the hotels get used. in the end, the hotels get used in the end, private residences, including the luxury accommodation we saw from chelmsford last week, gets used. so there is little doubt in my mind that this barge is going to be full within a couple of weeks, and especially as we've got calm weather coming back by the middle of the week . the middle of the week. >> yes. and we know , of course, >> yes. and we know, of course, nigel, every time there is any flat calm conditions out there in the channel, they come across in the channel, they come across in their high hundreds because that's the only thing that's been stopping them. let's be honest . you know, rishi sunak honest. you know, rishi sunak has stood up at the podium and told us that they stop the boats, plan is working. and today, again , when he's put out today, again, when he's put out a five point plan to stop the

boats. so that's a five point plan within the government's five point pledge of stopping the boats . but actually, from the boats. but actually, from what we've seen , it's the what we've seen, it's the weather that's reducing these numbers for those crossing the channel and also in terms of, you know, either the bibby stockholm or the bases or the hotels , all they are and all the hotels, all they are and all the arguments about them are just a symptom of the fact that this government really has not been able, despite what they say, to control the number of boats coming across to stop the boats as the pledge is now. >> and a long way from where you are in portland. but relevant to today's news, mark, what do you make of the plans to send people to the ascension island? is it a serious proposal ? serious proposal? >> well , this is an interesting >> well, this is an interesting one, isn't it, nigel, because this story appeared not in one, but two newspapers. so it's very obvious that that story was being briefed out. but yet when the prime minister's spokesman

was asked at lobby, when the home office was asked about it, it was the no, no, we're fully committed to rwanda and this , committed to rwanda and this, you know, is not really under consideration at the moment. i spoke to a senior source that has intimate knowledge of all of the thought processes and the calculations that went into the ascension islands back about three years ago under boris johnson and priti patel . they johnson and priti patel. they looked at it. they found that it was just not viable at all, that it was in terms of cost , very it was in terms of cost, very prohibitive . the infrastructure prohibitive. the infrastructure would have to be built from scratch . the military didn't scratch. the military didn't want anything to do with it. the very thought of flying hundreds of angry young men who do not want to go 4000 miles from the uk and at the very least would probably be quite uncomfortable . giant they didn't want any part of that and then there's the lawyers. they were realistic

knowing that the lawyers and the courts and the human rights groups would fight this tooth and nail and it would be very difficult to make it work . so difficult to make it work. so that was quickly abandoned. so i'm not quite sure why it's recent surfacing again now, nor am i mark, am i. am i mark, nor am i. >> thank you forjoining me live from portland now. but is these wretched lawyers, these wretched, wretched lawyers getting in the way of all of it? oh i've got one. joining me now, paul turner is head of chambers and immigration barrister at imperium. all your imperium. chambers, is all your fault, paul, isn't it? i mean, the government, they've got an 80 they can't do 80 seat majority. they can't do a bloomin thing because of your lot. that's hardly the i suppose that's what a lot of the right wing press would say. well, that's what government ministers say. that's what boris johnson said was prime minister, said when he was prime minister, that lefty lawyers that it's lefty lawyers frustrating government. that it's lefty lawyers fru:wasng government. that it's lefty lawyers fru:wasngthe government. that it's lefty lawyers fru:wasngthe same'nment. that it's lefty lawyers fru:wasngthe same lefty|t. that it's lefty lawyers fru:wasngthe same lefty lawyers >> was it the same lefty lawyers that have been that found him to have been dishonest, wonder? or that dishonest, i wonder? or was that his problems? dishonest, i wonder? or was that his well,)roblems? dishonest, i wonder? or was that his well, that'sns? dishonest, i wonder? or was that his well, that's at? dishonest, i wonder? or was that his well, that's a slightly >> well, that's a slightly separate issue, but the but but the point is, what exactly have

we done this time, nigel? >> just that >> well, just the fact that there was supposed to be 50 odd going on to the bibby stockholm today, have lot today, but there have been a lot of cases arguing that of legal cases arguing that people on to the water people can't go on to the water because they've had traumatic experiences as the experiences as crossing the engush experiences as crossing the english channel, whether it's rwanda under the government, don't seem to be able to do anything. >> that's the point i'm making. >> that's the point i'm making. >> perhaps because they don't act within the law or they don't resource their own departments properly, tempting to make properly, it's tempting to make jokes about the bibby stockholm being rather a large boat and people not wanting to go on it. having been on a small boat. but this is all a gimmick. it's a sideshow that what the government don't want to focus on and they can do something about choose not is that about but choose not to, is that there's 173,000 people in the asylum backlog , a record and asylum backlog, a record and 606,000 people who migrated to the united kingdom lawfully, legally, legally. so we have in total, including the asylum seekers that claimed asylum, we have a backlog of 100 , nearly have a backlog of 100, nearly

800,000 people. so rather than fund ed the immigration to actually get on and deal with it, there's this concentration on putting people onto the bibby stockholm personally, and i may not win myself any friends with this putting young healthy men on a boat for a week or ten days or 14 days to process their asylum claim as long as there's adequate health care and it's not going to burn down. isn't conceptually a problem putting people on there for 18 months as a recipe for disaster? >> no, no, i agree with that. i agree with that. cooped up together, there'll be fights and goodness knows no. goodness knows what. no, no. i can see that completely. i can see that completely. but but and i get the point. you know , the i get the point. you know, the law law and government law is the law and government has to act within it. and i understand that. however for what in the last what we have seen in the last week or two, are several people, solicitors based hinckley for financial gain in aiding and abetting illegal immigration. the daily mail did a huge piece

of work on this and good journalism question is does the legal profession police itself? because from what i can find out, almost nobody gets disbarred or kicked out as a solicitor in these cases where it is clear that they're acting illegally, you know, they're in effect working for the criminal gangs on the other side. and bad people on the other side of the channel. do you think the profession can sort itself out? >> i think of work needs >> i think a lot of work needs to be done. this is a very serious and lawyers ought serious issue and lawyers ought to be held to a higher standard because they're the people that that represent that seek to represent and enforce the law argue on the enforce the law or argue on the people's and these people's behalf. and in these times immigration for times when immigration for example, is such a contentious issue , it's important that the issue, it's important that the lawyers are trusted . now, in lawyers are trusted. now, in respect of the three individuals that were found or the three solicitor was the sra intervened and immediately stopped them from practising and shut their firms down. but there is , i firms down. but there is, i would say, a wider problem. i've

worked in immigration for the best part of a quarter of a century, both for the government and for the majority for migrants . what i have seen migrants. what i have seen through my time is that there is that whilst the majority of lawyers are hardworking and not well paid , there are a well paid, there are a significant number of rogues i've been instructed in cases where the paperwork has been written by somebody who can barely understand english. i have spent years of my life sorting out people's cases who have gone to these rogues. they have gone to these rogues. they have been robbed in some cases and some cases have gone to the police and people have been convicted and the service that they've got is appalling. it is in some cases, it is criminal and in some cases it is just woefully negligent. one example, which is not particularly funny but illustrates the point is i was sitting in court and the client had to interrupt to represent themselves because the lawyer's english was that bad . lawyer's english was that bad. now the bigger picture is all

the regulatory bodies acting quickly enough. now now, i would say that there's a lot more to be done and stop banning people from coming back into the profession. i know of one firm that was intervened, stopped twice, then they reinvented twice, and then they reinvented themselves and had another long run before they were finally intervened. and had to pick intervened. and i've had to pick up a load of their cases where they have actually really blatantly they've robbed the clients. and because of the hostile environment, clients hostile environment, the clients don't feel that they can go to the police or it because the police or report it because they'll in trouble. but they'll be in trouble. but i would say there is would say that there is a massive problem. >> there's work to be done. a huge amount of work. nigel paul turner, you. well, from turner, thank you. well, from one profession that gets criticised moment criticised in a moment to another, bankers natwest another, the bankers as natwest decide from the 11th of september, they may not accept your at all. what is going your cash at all. what is going on and what can we do

well, i did ask earlier whether

ascension island was the answer to our problems and a whole mix of reactions. just one i'll pick out. chris says , what's wrong out. chris says, what's wrong with jersey , guernsey and the with jersey, guernsey and the channel islands? it's a lot closer to calais. chris i tell you what, don't go on holiday to jersey or guernsey and suggest that now gb news has been running the don't kill cash petition for some time. i mentioned it at the top of the show and over the course of the last few minutes we have now gone through a quarter of a million signatures, which is great. it's the first really big, serious campaign that gb news has done as a channel and this is very much backed up by eight out of ten people in the red wall seats when they were asked about cash, say, absolutely, we should still be able to use cash story on the front page of the daily telegraph today and something that i learned over the weekend from the 11th of september, not west bank will be putting limits , weekly limits, daily limits , , weekly limits, daily limits, annual limits on the amount of

cash you can take out of your account, at the amount of cash you can put into your account. back that up with what we heard on friday. the end . australia on friday. the end. australia all the banks together have decided that the maximum withdrawals and deposits will be 500 odd aussie dollars. that's £250. i've said before in the last few weeks, the cashless society is coming in. i think this is something where the chancellor of the exchequer needs to intervene to say that legal tender needs to stay as legal tender needs to stay as legal tender needs to stay as legal tender and i'm really worried about this and the amount of control they can exercise over us if we have fully digital accounts and money. joe streeter is editor of payment expert, a news website focussed on finance . joe, this focussed on finance. joe, this these restrictions in australia natwhen and a couple of weeks i'm in the cashless society is not a conspiracy theory, is it? >> not at all far from it. and i

think you raise an interesting point when you talk about regulations because we saw the start of the year where there were regulations brought in about cash availability and access to cash . that's all well access to cash. that's all well and good, but it's fairly futile without regulation about cash acceptance. yeah >> yeah. and that's the big problem, isn't it? i mean, i know , you know, in that red wall know, you know, in that red wall poll, one, 20% of people said that they often find it very difficult to use cash in london when there's a lot of places in london that just don't take cash anymore. and that applies, of course , to parking, which we're course, to parking, which we're going about a bit later going to talk about a bit later in the programme . i mean, you in the programme. i mean, you know , cash, we've always been know, cash, we've always been told it is legal tender and yet it seems to me that the banks are taking it upon themselves arbitrarily to decide that we're not to use cash. they've closed 5000 branches around the country since 2015. cash atm machines

are now in many parts of the country, as rare as hen's teeth . yeah, when they used to proliferate, right? i mean, what can we do to stop this? it's really hard to say, but it does feel like there's a resistance. >> now, during the pandemic, when we were told and, you know, we give them reasons of stopping the of the virus, which the spread of the virus, which felt fairly legitimate at the time for the lack of use of cash for and embracing contactless payments , that resistance wasn't payments, that resistance wasn't quite there. but it does feel like there is a resistance now , like there is a resistance now, obviously indicative of the gb news campaign is, yeah, we've done well, got a million signatures. >> it's a really, really good campaign. yes, definitely. >> that's not niche, is it? that's niche for sure. and that's not niche for sure. and i do think the move to cashless is something wider, though . something far wider, though. it's a move to digital it's also a move to digital payments into digital finance and central bank digital currencies potentially, potentially . but it's worrying potentially. but it's worrying for the more vulnerable. you mentioned branch closures. that's what really worries me because fraud also continues to

evolve and for the older generation, that's incredibly scary and not being able to go to a bank and to speak to someone, we're sort of as a culture forcing them to embrace digital finance. that's that's incredibly scary. and we're forcing them into a vulnerable situation . situation. >> ian well, joe, i like to think that my de—banking story has raised the level of debate on all of these things, and we learn over the weekend million learn over the weekend 1 million bank closed in the last bank accounts closed in the last four years and even if the new government protections come in, none of that applies to small businesses and charity. there's a lot more work to do, isn't there? >> most certainly there is a lot more work to do. yeah. the parking story as well. it seems like elements of society like more elements of society and that we thought and culture that we thought would would we would never would that we thought would never be cashless, would be cash are would always be cash are shifting to a cashless, cashless culture. and that's quite scary. >> it is . thank you, joe. >> it is. thank you, joe. caroline abraham is charity director of age uk and parking .

director of age uk and parking. we've mentioned a couple of times already in this conversation an so sutton council run by the liberal democrats . if you have the democrats. if you have the ringgo app on your phone and you know how to use it, it's £2 an houn know how to use it, it's £2 an hour. if you don't, it's £3 an houn hour. if you don't, it's £3 an hour. and that probably is just for starters . caroline i would for starters. caroline i would imagine that parking for many of our aged is now becoming a bit of a nightmare. >> yeah, i think you're right. good evening. yeah because you've got to have a smartphone increasingly to be able to actually, you know, even assuming you found a parking space and that could be difficult enough, can't it? but then if you can't physically pay for it, it's really, really difficult for people . and this difficult for people. and this is disproportionately likely to hit older of course, hit older people, of course, because we know that vast numbers of older people who depend on their cars actually aren't smartphone users . yes. aren't smartphone users. yes. >> no, i mean , that's pretty >> no, i mean, that's pretty obvious. and what about the broader question about cash ? you broader question about cash? you know, from what i can understand, the arguments that

are being made that that the older generation feel comfortable with a few notes in their wallet. they feel a sense of security with a few notes in their wallet and increasingly see the ability to spend . cash see the ability to spend. cash is being taken away, isn't it? >> yeah, and i agree . and i >> yeah, and i agree. and i think that's the significance of the story you're pointing to just now with natwest deciding to put cash limits on because what that will particularly hit is small businesses and it will hit high street stores who will feel that if they can't deposit their money anymore, then there's point in them taking there's no point in them taking it in the first and it in the first place. and it'll lead of those that lead to more of those signs that we've seen in shops saying we've all seen in shops saying cash, , cash card, only, cash, cash, no cash card, only, or, you know. so that's the problem. and then it becomes a self—fulfilling prophecy that we will move towards a cashless society. so we regret this. certainly and it is a move we do seem to be going, you know, head first really quickly towards cashless by default. and for large numbers of people in our society , not only older people society, not only older people

that could be a real problem. and the public is very clear in polls that it wants to retain cash. so i would just like to say thank you very much to you and to for gb news the campaign that you're running, which we thoroughly uk. thoroughly support at uk. >> you . and i mean, >> well, thank you. and i mean, look, when we think of look, you know, when we think of people over retirement age, i mean, what is now, 12, 13 mean, what is it now, 12, 13 million people, something like that that category. so you that in that category. so you are and a lot of them vote , of are and a lot of them vote, of course. so you are potentially me. you are potentially a very important lobby. my thought on this, my thought on this , having this, my thought on this, having seen this headlong rush from the banks towards us getting cashless, my thought on this is that legal tender needs to be legal tender and that actually the government could do something about this. so i want to ask you , please, can you get to ask you, please, can you get your folk to lobby their mps to lobby the treasury, to lobby the chancellor ? and let's keep let's chancellor? and let's keep let's keep cash operating within the system. and i think you can do a lot to help us with this .

lot to help us with this. >> yeah, i think there are a number of issues here. firstly, on the wider issues around the move to digital by default, we certainly think at age uk that the time has come to take a bit of a step back as a society and to really think about what the impact of that is on large numbers who just can't do it. we'll never do it. and it's just not that if you hard not true that if you push hard enough, then older person enough, then every older person will that never will go online. that is never going happen. i think going to happen. so i think we're interested in whether it's time new law that would time for a new law that would actually protect the interests of people who are online so of people who are not online so that for example, that everyone, for example, should the right able should have the right to be able to public service to access a public service offline well as online and offline as well as online and not at not at sort of enormous cost to themselves. so i think that's one set of issues on cash . yes, absolutely. as your other guest was saying, yes , there are guest was saying, yes, there are new regulations in place as to as to bank branches. i think our sense is the era of the i remember certainly where on a high street you'd have all those different high street banks with their own branches. that's

probably gone. but that's okay if it's replaced by shared banking hubs and the banks . all banking hubs and the banks. all the major banks came together and have agreed to do that in places which are badly underserved by bank branches. but they're being incredibly slow at getting that initiative. yeah yeah , but okay, if we're yeah yeah, but okay, if we're not going to have any more individual bank branches , we can individual bank branches, we can live with that. i think a lot of older people would as well. but we do need to see that banking hub initiative really? absolutely getting absolutely. hub initiative really? abscaroline|etting absolutely. hub initiative really? abscaroline itting absolutely. hub initiative really? abscaroline i heard|bsolutely. hub initiative really? abscaroline i heard about ely. >> caroline i heard about the hub terrific. hub idea. it sounded terrific. very little seems to have happened.thank very little seems to have happened. thank you forjoining happened. thank you for joining us on gb news. my next us tonight on gb news. my next guest was the 13th child of a sharecropper in the usa , born sharecropper in the usa, born harold hamm, born into real poverty. he's now worth about $50 billion. one of the richest men in the world. and he's done it by helping to make america energy independent and an energy exporter . does he have some exporter. does he have some lessons for the uk ? plus, we go lessons for the uk? plus, we go to oxburgh ridge, where

unbelievably , a former british unbelievably, a former british army officer has just launched a hunger strike. again against the ulez extension . all of that in ulez extension. all of that in just a couple of

well i'm joined by harold hamm, founder and chairman of continental resources, a top ten oil producer in the usa, and author of a recent book, game changer. welcome to the show . changer. welcome to the show. thank you for joining changer. welcome to the show. thank you forjoining us. down thank you for joining us. down the line live. tell us how did the line live. tell us how did the game . change the game. change >> well, it changed with one thing, and that's horizontal drilling. and that changed it all. and i'm glad to say that you're exactly right. we reached energy independence in america and, you know, we went from their scarcity to air of

abundance with it. and that 1—1 thing did it all. >> we're in a very funny position here, harold , in that position here, harold, in that we have got some pretty vast onshore for natural gas resources, particularly up in the north—west of england . you the north—west of england. you know, estimates of vast amounts of gas. i mean, to some it's viewed as treasure beneath our feet. to others, it's viewed as being an environmental disaster . the lobbying and the campaign against fracking in this country. some of which we now know was funded by russia, has been huge . should we be fearful been huge. should we be fearful of fracking? i mean, this is what, of course, has led to the gas boom in america. what are the downsides ? what are the the downsides? what are the upsides of fracking ? upsides of fracking? >> well, see, right there, you put your finger on it. nigel when you said fracking , you took when you said fracking, you took the bait from russia . you know,

the bait from russia. you know, they tried to scare the bejesus out of everybody. they scared the bejesus out of great britain . and for what? because they want to get you hooked on their pipeline . and then they they pipeline. and then they they did. and they could control you as a result of that. and you guys took the bait, you know , we guys took the bait, you know, we didn't take the bait here in america . they tried the same america. they tried the same thing here. they spent $500 million in us, you know, trying to put out all this propaganda fracking . they put the f—word fracking. they put the f—word with it . okay? like it's a bad with it. okay? like it's a bad thing what we do. we used to be known as drillers, not frackers . and but anyway, that that that was the propaganda they put out. and why did they do it? to put you in a situation like you're in today , you know, with the, in today, you know, with the, you know, weaponizing their natural gas supplies so one thing did it and one thing only and that was horizontal drilling

that created this great thing that created this great thing that we call , that created this great thing that we call, you that created this great thing that we call , you know, energy that we call, you know, energy independence , this energy independence, this energy renaissance in america. and if it hadn't been for that, you know, we couldn't have shipped y'all all the lng that we did this past year. >> well, i think that's right. and had it not been for america on gas supplies, i think that over the course of the last winter, the whole of the european continent plus our island, would have been in very, very real trouble. but, harold, none that gets acknowledged very real trouble. but, harold, n0|a that gets acknowledged very real trouble. but, harold, n0|a vast, at gets acknowledged very real trouble. but, harold, n0|a vast, huge :s acknowledged very real trouble. but, harold, n0|a vast, huge new

can we can we can power ourselves through renewable energies of solar and wind , that energies of solar and wind, that somehow this is the bright new future and there can be a green revolution. what would you say to those people ? to those people? >> well, it's easy. it's easy when you just give you the facts, just like what happened here in the us , the switch off here in the us, the switch off of dirty coal, the clean burning natural gas put us back to the 19705 natural gas put us back to the 1970s level of pollution , roll 1970s level of pollution, roll the clock back . so we have the the clock back. so we have the cleanest air in the world here in america. you guys could do the same thing . you know, you the same thing. you know, you just got hooked on the bait that russia wanted you on. and so there you are. but it you need a game changer there in perception. and people have to change the narrative. and get back to what's real and what's real is that it you know we're

not going to kill the climate use in clean burning natural gas . i mean, that's the best thing that we could do to help society. so anyway, you need a game changer in and mentality change. change. >> well, we need we need something that's for certain. harold thank you for joining something that's for certain. harold thank you forjoining us, harold thank you for joining us, sharing some of your story, some of america's story. and congratulations on what you've done.thank congratulations on what you've done. thank you . now pradeep done. thank you. now pradeep singh is on hunger strike. he's a former officer in the royal army dental corps. he's outside uxbndge army dental corps. he's outside uxbridge underground station and he's launched a week's hunger strike. pradeep, welcome to the program. what has prompted this? tell me . thank you very much, tell me. thank you very much, nigel. >> first of for all, having me and the reason i'm on hunger strike is just an indication to

the people of britain that this is how are we to going be like if we don't fight back while we are fighting against the poverty cost of living crisis? there is another burden on the people, you know, called ulez . so this you know, called ulez. so this ulez is out of nowhere. so we have to we don't need it . the have to we don't need it. the peoples will. they don't want it. so it's just been a sort of being imposed on us. so that's what that's why i'm here for and that's what i'm fighting against. >> well, of course we had the uxbndge >> well, of course we had the uxbridge by—election the other day and there was great surprise that the conservatives held on to the seat and it was felt that opposition to the ulez extension plan was the main reason that the conservatives held on and people didn't vote for labour. tell me how much i mean, since you've set up your pitch there, how much support are you getting from members of the public? >> well , from members of the public? >> well, unbelievably, a lot of

peoples, you know, dropping in a lot of support come in from the local people around here and whosoever are coming in, bringing me a bottle of water. that's what i'm surviving on for the next seven days. so it's a lot of support from the local people. and as you said, you know, the result of by—election here has has given the clear indication to the mayor that this is not this is something not we don't something not we want around here in the greater london. >> well, i have to tell you , >> well, i have to tell you, pradeep, you know, we're the first media broadcast channel to get to you. i suspect over the next few days they're going to be camped outside your camp. i think you're going to get a huge amount of publicity for what you're doing. and i wish you well. thank you. look after yourself. well that's quite a story, isn't it? that's quite a story. in a moment. well, we've noficed story. in a moment. well, we've noticed how woke corporatism has gone through the banking

industry. in a moment, we talk advertising an industry who've made it really hard for gb news since before they even put out one minute of broadcast material

this channel's been going for over two years. it's doing pretty well. we even won a few awards, haven't we? at various ceremonies . and yet with the ceremonies. and yet with the advertising industry, we still have a problem. an outfit called the conscious advertising network plus other lobby groups like stop funding hate, say they want to stop harm ful content and therefore they go for the advertisers. well richard hillgrove is chairman and founder of six hillgrove pr and a former adviser to the advertising guru charles saatchi . you know, i've been talking about the politicisation of banks, richard , but it seems the banks, richard, but it seems the advertising industry , it's advertising industry, it's extraordinary . i advertising industry, it's extraordinary. i mean, advertising industry, it's extraordinary . i mean, how advertising industry, it's extraordinary. i mean, how is anything but gb news puts out

hateful? well it's all about money, isn't it? >> and obviously trying to crush society. and obviously the tipping point was what they did with you, with your bank. and now i think the spotlight is on what's happening with advertising as well. and i think there's conscious advertising going network lee anderson is rooting out the culprits and said to the culture secretary , said to the culture secretary, what are they doing advising government and what are they doing? i mean, it's on this side, you know, the legislators, but the other side, but also we have the other side, the advertising owners. that's the advertising owners. that's the they're the problem. they're under pressure because esg pressure because of this esg business. if they don't start forming their advertising around certain messaging , then, you certain messaging, then, you know, they won't be allowed loans. they'll have their bank accounts removed as well. >> mean , there are 4 or 5 big >> i mean, there are 4 or 5 big advertising agencies, but they seem to go along with this agenda as it's almost as seem to go along with this agit'sia as it's almost as seem to go along with this agit's a as it's almost as seem to go along with this agit's a sort it's almost as seem to go along with this agit's a sort of it's almost as seem to go along with this agit's a sort of little almost as seem to go along with this agit's a sort of little londonas if it's a sort of little london based clique that decide what's acceptable and what's not. >> well, it seems to be a kind of global thing, and seems to of global thing, and it seems to be all at once, be happening all at once, everywhere. so this is all part

of this whole sort of let's all be it together. let's all be in it together. let's all follow sort of globalist follow this sort of globalist agenda and i think london is just following orders to a certain but think certain degree. but i think i think i have to say it again, what you is woken what happened to you is woken people on both of the people up on both sides of the political spectrum. i mean, people the left are people even on the left are saying what is going on? and up until then, everyone's in bit saying what is going on? and up una. then, everyone's in bit saying what is going on? and up una stupor. everyone's in bit saying what is going on? and up una stupor. everyone; in bit saying what is going on? and up una stupor. everyone sort bit saying what is going on? and up una stupor. everyone sort ofit of a stupor. everyone sort of numb to what's going on. and now, now, now people are starting and they're starting to realise and they're starting to look at, okay, advertising example. advertising is one example. there's examples there's a multitude of examples because instrument of because every instrument of society been getting got at. society has been getting got at. now you know, we're talking about 15 minutes cities, the whole works , everything is whole works, everything is moving. but they say, you know, they always say life imitates art. and if advertising is art and all we see is this ludicrous nonsense on the screens, people start to sort of start to believe that this is the way our society functions is advertising. you know, they are kind of in a straitjacket because their paymasters are forcing them to behave in a certain way . certain way. >> yeah, and the problem is the

mob, isn't it? because, you know, if i'm, i don't know, sunshine, holidays , let's say, sunshine, holidays, let's say, and i put an advert on this station or another station that the mob don't approve of and i'm the mob don't approve of and i'm the and i'm the marketing director . and the next day the director. and the next day the mob send me 150,000 emails. i think, oh my goodness, no one's ever going to use our i mean, these are bullying tactics that are being used. that's totally bullying. >> it's ironic that the left >> and it's ironic that the left wing faction, that claims to wing faction, one that claims to be pro speech, the most be pro free speech, are the most militant at shutting down free speech. that's the irony of the whole thing. i mean, in my time, ihave whole thing. i mean, in my time, i have worked on both sides of the political spectrum. i've worked with vivienne westwood when , you know, when she was alive, you know, and all of that messaging. and you could talk about where the where the came from. you where the money came from. you mentioned earlier for some of mentioned it earlier for some of that campaigning. and i've moved away i'm away from that now. and i'm guilty. but this mob behaviour is quite anti—democratic . and is quite anti—democratic. and what i started doing at one point was when i did some pr for

juuan point was when i did some pr for julian assange for a couple of years, contracted and it was routed through money from from the westwood side of things . and the westwood side of things. and suddenly i was being asked to shut down the ministry of justice and i was thinking, this isn't doing pr you're asking me to follow a mob . and that's when to follow a mob. and that's when i walked away . i said, this is i walked away. i said, this is too much . what is going on here? too much. what is going on here? >> can we turn the tide? >> can we turn the tide? >> i think we can, but only because of people like yourself and gb news and what's being said. you know, i have to be careful. a lot of my clients are from the other side. it's such a shame. there's those that want to restrict and those that want to restrict and those that want to be free. >> i know, i know. richard, thank us. and thank you for joining us. and talking free speech, elon talking of free speech, elon musk, is most musk, he is the most extraordinary bloke, hasn't he? yesterday he put out now i'm still calling them tweets, even though now calls. he now though he now calls. he now calls but he put out a calls it x, but he put out a message yesterday saying if you're in trouble at work or you lose your job at work because of something you've said on this

site or because you've reposted something on this site and you're in trouble with your employer, we will cover your legal costs . there is no limit, legal costs. there is no limit, and that is. musk absolutely putting himself on the line to defend free speech. and i have to say, i really want him to succeed. i really do genuinely want him to succeed. i think he's becoming something of a modern day hero and he will be fighting. yes, he will be fighting. yes, he will be fighting against mark zuckerberg from the opposition at meta. and it will be streamed live on the website. all of that to come in the next couple of months. now, joining us live from his beloved county of somerset and from home is jacob rees—mogg. jacob what have you got coming up this evening? well i've got stanley johnson with me and we're going to be discussing china and net zero, but we're starting with the big story of the day, which is obviously immigration.

>> rwanda and the government policies around all of that, because stanley is one of the people who's actually been to ascension island. >> jacob, i mean, this ascension island idea, it was around a long time ago. it was ruled to be completely impracticable in every single way. and it gets reheated and brought back. i mean, come on, let's be honest. it isn't going to happen. is it ? >> 7. >>i ?- >> i agree 7 >> i agree with that. i mean, i attended meetings on it when i was in government. it was going to be about £1 million per person , as you pointed out, 8 to person, as you pointed out, 8 to 900 people live on the ascension island. have to build island. you'd have to build buildings for the builders before you could buildings before you could build buildings for the people you were going to move not move there. and it's not a clever it it won't run. it clever idea. it it won't run. it won't run. no it won't run. >> jacob. thank you. well i'm sure everybody will enjoy seeing jacob live from home with stanley johnson course stanley johnson over the course of next hour or so. and i of the next hour or so. and i have to say , the government's have to say, the government's policy the whole migrant policy on the whole migrant crisis, none of it's comprehensive , bill. none of comprehensive, bill. none of it's believable. and labour's has literally got no idea what

it is now, after yet another miserable weekend, can we please have some joy for the coming week with the weather forecast ? week with the weather forecast? >> the temperatures rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news evening. on. gb news evening. >> i'm alex deakin and this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. a bit of a north south split with the weather tomorrow mostly fine across north, whereas in the across the north, whereas in the south grey tuesday with south quite a grey tuesday with rain and drizzle from this little weather feature. doesn't look but it is look much, does it? but it is introducing cloud and introducing more cloud rain and drizzle as we go through the evening will continue evening and it will continue across overnight. we across the south overnight. we do have showers around do have some showers around across northern scotland at the moment. and moment. some heavy ones here and there they'll stay there as well. they'll stay dili, through the night and dili, fade through the night and then of scotland, then a good part of scotland, northern ireland, northern and eastern england will be and eastern england will be dry and clear the and that clear through the night and that will to turn a little will allow it to turn a little chilly. temperatures into chilly. temperatures down into single mild night in single figures. a mild night in the south—west because the cloud is going to make

is moving in. it's going to make for miserly , drizzly start for a miserly, drizzly start across south and west wales and south—west england and some of that light rain and drizzle will trickle towards the midlands and eventually towards the south—east. so after bright south—east. so after a bright start here east anglia start here and for east anglia it cloud much of it will cloud over much of northern england though northern ireland, central southern scotland with scotland having a fine day with some spells , just a few some sunny spells, just a few showers in the north where showers in the far north where it'll still be breezy still it'll still be breezy and still on cool temperatures on the cool side. temperatures struggling reach degrees struggling to reach 20 degrees for us. but there are for most of us. but there are signs of warmer weather on the way . a fine for many on way. a fine day for many on wednesday will again quite wednesday will be again quite cloudy west. some patchy cloudy in the west. some patchy rain northern ireland rain for northern ireland certainly morning, certainly in the morning, but misty around the misty and murky around the coasts south—west. but coasts in the south—west. but for chunk of country for a good chunk of the country wednesday looking dry with some hazy and starting to hazy sunshine and starting to turn a little warmer with temperatures more widely into the , the temperatures rising the 20s, the temperatures rising , boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on .

gb news. >> hello. good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation. tonight we're in god's own county. the place where the sun never stops shining , where sun never stops shining, where the hills endlessly roll off towards the orange sunset hues where the sheep have a particularly tranquil glint to their gazing eyes and where the water is crisper, the air is fresher, and where we walk in the footsteps of the giants of engush the footsteps of the giants of english history. as ever, we'll be bringing you stories that be bringing you the stories that matter most today. the home office confirmed it had begun placing migrants the much placing migrants on the much delayed bibby barge. delayed bibby stockholm barge. all of this came amidst the backdrop of speculation surrounding back up migration

plans, including the use of ascension island for offshore processing. but surely all the story reveals is that we are clouded in distraction from the long term solution. rwanda speaking of the home office, new figures have shown that almost half of all crimes solved by the police do not result in charges . the question of law and order repeatedly crops up in the news. but who better to have with me live in my house than the avon and somerset police and crime commissioner shelford ? the commissioner mark shelford? the ever looming threat of china and its brutal communist regime remains at the forefront of the uk's security concerns as it emerged over the weekend. ministers have warned that the ccp could use chinese electric cars to spy on you on british citizens. plus are we headed towards a cashless society? well, just when you thought natwest couldn't have emerged damaged its reputation anymore, it has decided to introduce new limitations on cash withdrawals. could it be time natwest hired a new public relations department

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