is talking tough on braverman is talking tough on crooked lawyers, allowing illegal people to come into the country . but will a life country. but will a life sentence stop this from happening or is it all just nonsense? we're also joined by a former boss of border force in calais who was recently lost his bank account just how political is all this getting ? and an is all this getting? and an essex entrepreneur joins to us tell us why he's finding it increasingly difficult to take cash and being forced to use credit cards and therefore making his customers do it. why on earth do they want to kill cash, especially when gb news now has a quarter of a million signatures for its petition? but before all of that, let's get the polly middlehurst . the news for polly middlehurst. >> nigel, thank you and good evening to you. the top story from the newsroom, the home secretary says lawyers who game the british asylum system by lying are a stain on the legal profession . suella bravermans profession. suella bravermans comments come as she chaired a meeting of the government's new

task force and regulators aimed at cracking down on rogue immigration lawyers . a new task immigration lawyers. a new task force announced by the government will bring together regulatory bodies , law regulatory bodies, law enforcement and other government departments to root out so—called dodgy law firms . departments to root out so—called dodgy law firms. in other news, the elections watchdog was targeted by a cyber attack related resulting in what it calls hostile actors gaining access to the public's information. the cyber attackers were able to access copies of the electoral register with the names and addresses of anyone registered to vote between 2014 and 2022. the attackers first accessed the commission systems in august 2021. chief executive sean mcnally apologised to the pubuc sean mcnally apologised to the public and said significant steps have since been taken to improve their it systems . a improve their it systems. a haulage firm that's part of one of the uk's largest transport group says it may be forced to shut down its site in northern

ireland as a direct result of brexit. gb news has seen a letter sent out by morgan mclernon to staff which blames post—brexit consequent losses for possible redundancies . the for possible redundancies. the company delivers goods to every major uk supermarket . the major uk supermarket. the business community in northern ireland is still waiting for details about the windsor framework, which was signed back in february . the jury in the in february. the jury in the murder trial of nurse lucy letby has been instructed to deliver majority verdicts for the seven women, and four men were told by mr justice goss that he'd accept mrjustice goss that he'd accept verdicts on which at least ten of them were agreed . letby is of them were agreed. letby is accused of murdering seven babies and attempting to murder ten others at the countess of chester hospital's neonatal unit. a man who was stabbed in the arm near the british museum in london this morning had just been waiting in the queue to get in. police have arrested a male on suspicion of causing grievous bodily harm . the building was

bodily harm. the building was evacuated and the area was cordoned off while police attended the scene. it's not being treated as terror related . and finally , the mayor of the . and finally, the mayor of the west midlands has asked the local council to ensure a historic pub destroyed in a fire. is rebuilt brick by brick . mayor andy street has written to south staffordshire council over the crooked house pub, which was destroyed by fire on saturday evening. the mayor says the 18th century building in himley in staffordshire holds real cultural and historical significance and that the local authority should consider barring any change of use application for the site. there has been much local opposition to the move. the fire is being investigated by police . ulez gb investigated by police. ulez gb news across the uk on your tv in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker. by saying play gb news now though,

time for . saying play gb news now though, time for. farage >> it's the second week of august. traditionally a very quiet time for stories. indeed this and next week. normally are dominated by stories about great white sharks that are seen off the beach of bournemouth this yeah the beach of bournemouth this year. the tabloids are doing their to best talk about sunloungers and the battle between the germans and the brits, but actually the government have decided, no, they are going to flood the news agenda all week. this is their small boats week and it began with the utterly ludicrous choice and completely impossible idea that those that crossed the engush idea that those that crossed the english channel will be sent to ascension island . and it simply ascension island. and it simply isn't going to happen. as i said to you very clearly, and indeed, that idea has now gone. but the new one follows a very good piece of journalism by the daily mail where they went undercover

and found some criminal solicitors who were prepared for up to £10,000 to falsify documents and to get people illegally into the united kingdom. this has led to suella braverman and the home secretary fighting back tough. we are going to do such things. these people will finish up with life sentences and it's the classic tactic of this conservative government . as public anger government. as public anger grows , with 50,000 people now grows, with 50,000 people now living in hotels and so much focus on the barge down in portland harbour, they make criminal offences even more criminal offences even more criminal with longer and tougher sentences. the numbers coming across the channel don't change one iota, but they're trying to show people that they're on their side . show people that they're on their side. but show people that they're on their side . but does it actually their side. but does it actually work? is anything really going to happen? because you know what? they've actually done is said we're going to establish a task force to look into this. well, joining me is gerry hayes , criminal barrister and some

time ago a conservative member for a long time before you were born. >> well, almost gerry, almost member of parliament. >> now, look, let's face it, the mail did a very good piece of work. they did? yeah and there are people out there who are registered as solicitors , others registered as solicitors, others who are prepared to aid and abet law breaking . law breaking. >> yes, they make defence is up. they were offering tablets to people a.d. presents to say, oh you can do this, you can say this when they knew these people were guilty of the offences and it gives us all a bad name. the overwhelming majority of barristers and solicitors really work hard for their clients, but these people have trashed their clients , they've trashed their clients, they've trashed their own profession , they've trust, own profession, they've trust, they've trashed the trust in the legal system, which is the cornerstone of our democracy. so it matters. >> it matters, of course it matters. trust in a system. of course it is trust in solicitors and barristers matters. so the question and i had an

immigration lawyer in last week. yeah and his argument was and we'll get to the sentences whether they work. yeah, well , whether they work. yeah, well, all right. we'll get to that. yeah. okay but his argument was that one of the problems that the profession faces, it's the legal profession faces, it's very at policing its own bad members. >> well, it's not actually. really. we've got the bsb , the really. we've got the bsb, the people who sort of regulate us and, you know, they overregulate it unless there are 1 or 2 people who are bad eggs and sometimes they don't do an awful lot about it. >> do these people get struck off? gerry people do get struck off, but you've got, according to the daily mail, 40 firms are under supervision . under supervision. >> these are people who are making up defences. they're not bending the rules. they're not actually saying , oh, well, the actually saying, oh, well, the government's got it wrong and this is a loophole. that's fair enough. what do. enough. that's what lawyers do. it's government to get sorted it's government to get it sorted out. they don't, of course, because people like suella braverman promises and braverman who over promises and under—deliver. hang on. >> suella braverman, the home

secretary, is a qualified barrister. >> yeah, but she wasn't very good. >> no, good. > no, no , good. >> no, no, but she is. she's part of your profession. yes and she's calling for tough action. well look, the fact is typically she hasn't researched it. >> well , what she hasn't researched it. >> well, what i she hasn't researched it. >> well , what i do, she hasn't researched it. >> well, what i do, i say she hasn't researched it. >> well , what i do, i say to my >> well, what i do, i say to my pupils is tit. now, this is not what it sounds like. no. good. think it through. she hasn't thought it through. the only person she sent successfully to rwanda was boris johnson . and he rwanda was boris johnson. and he came back . ascension island is came back. ascension island is insane. it was another boris johnson . johnson. >> i mean, that idea was nuts and that was never going to happen. >> but then she put it before the newspapers. this week. >> but what she knows i know that was ridiculous. it was ridiculous. and i've made the point yes. second week point already. yes. second week of august. yes. they want to dominate they dominate the headlines. they want to show a public who are very angry what's very angry about what's happening, doing happening, that they're doing something. this something. but but this situation, anyone that situation, you know, anyone that saw those videos, those undercover and the mail undercover videos and the mail full marks to them. yeah, yeah.

good journalism. yeah. you know, they sentences, they want tough sentences, but we hearing i mean, is a we keep hearing i mean, is a life sentence for fiddling documents the right crime? >> well, just a moment. documents the right crime? >> well, just a moment . penalty? >> well, just a moment. penalty? no. whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. the penalty exists . common law penalty exists. common law offence of perversion of the course of public justice is common law. it has a life sentence already. so of course it does. of course, braverman hasn't bothered to look at it . hasn't bothered to look at it. you're not going to get a life sentence for that. but the guidelines are about seven years at the moment. >> but what she's also playing into, gerry and this is important is this government had an 80 seat majority. yep it did it on the back of a brexit vote. yeah. which was about as much as anything mean sovereignty, obviously control, but controlling borders, reducing numbers, coming in. that was legal numbers . but the illegal legal numbers. but the illegal some call it invasion, others say that language is too harsh . say that language is too harsh. but either way, this is a big hot topic around the country. it is. it began in 2018. the

numbers have doubled and quadrupled with every year that's gone by. so she is playing a very, very much to the public's upset and anger. and here's the thing from boris onwards, it's the lefty lawyers, it's the judges. no, it's onwards, it's the lefty lawyers, it's the judges . no, it's not it's the judges. no, it's not stopping the government from doing that is just so , so wrong. doing that is just so, so wrong. >> can you see that perception? no i don't see that perception because i'm in world. there because i'm in this world. there are no lefty lawyers who are breaking the rules. there are dishonest lawyers who are breaking the rules and they are the people we must crack down on. they're the people who must go to prison. they're the people who must be named and shamed . who must be named and shamed. >> profession. will the cra one of your big bodies of your profession? strike profession? will they strike these people off? will they get sentences? well, maybe not. >> a whoa, whoa. it's >> it's not a whoa, whoa. it's not of striking them not a question of striking them off. not for the regulatory off. it's not for the regulatory bodies. it's for the criminal courts. these people have committed crimes offences and they will go to prison. how long

for is a matter for? did the judges. but they must go to prison because they're tarring us all with the same brush. you go into a cab and people are saying, oh joe, yeah, i know you. oh yeah? how can you defend someone? you who is guilty? you. oh yeah? how can you defend s said, ne? you who is guilty? you. oh yeah? how can you defend s said, if? you who is guilty? you. oh yeah? how can you defend ssaid, if he ou who is guilty? you. oh yeah? how can you defend ssaid, if he tells who is guilty? you. oh yeah? how can you defend ssaid, if he tells mewho is guilty? you. oh yeah? how can you defend ssaid, if he tells me he'sis guilty? i said, if he tells me he's guilty, i can't because i've misleading the court. they misleading the court. sure, they think we make up defences. these joke . no, they're not jokers. joke. no, they're not jokers. there are disgrace to the profession. they really are. and they're undermining the profession and they're undermining democracy . see, they undermining democracy. see, they must be dealt with . must be dealt with. >> final thought on the bigger picture of all no picture of all of this. no question that the cross—channel migrant criminal trade is a major electoral issue. yeah, labour don't appear to have any answers to this whatsoever. in fact, they're divided and all over the place on it. yeah so potentially for the conservatives , even though they conservatives, even though they failed completely , they can send failed completely, they can send the right mood music to the electorate. it may do them , you electorate. it may do them, you know, some real good in the red wall and places like that and no , it won't. going to split , it won't. we're going to split lee in a moment. yeah,

lee anderson in a moment. yeah, but the while we have the but all the while we have the echr. all the while we have the european court of human rights able a plane . that was. able to stop a plane. that was. hang there was a plane on hang on. there was a plane on the tarmac waiting to go to rwanda. that was stopped by a judge at 10 pm. strasbourg time . yes. isn't that a real obstacle to the government? yes. >> and we've been fighting against that. and will against that. and we will succeed will we? yes, succeed in that. will we? yes, we there's about we will. there's no doubt about that. really, really, that. echr is really, really, really important. you know, i'm not cross—examine you, not going to cross—examine you, but you name me, you do for a living . no, i do. i know, but. living. no, i do. i know, but. yeah, but not for this money. you know, you know as well as i know that these guys do quite a good job with one. most of the cases is i think it is totally mythical. i mean, you had someone like dominic raab get rid of it. all our problems would be solved. not at all. we can actually stop all this. i think it's article 35. i can't quite. >> why do we want a higher court in strasbourg? filled up with people, many of whom have not even been legally trained with the i'm not the ability to

>> i'm not sure the ability to because jurists, because they're jurists, not judges to judges with the ability to overrule british law. they're not overruling british law. they can no, no, no. but they don't. that's the whole thing . there that's the whole thing. there was there was a sort of about this. we could go into all sorts of boring detail. the end of of boring detail. at the end of the day, they were saying, the day, they were just saying, well, let appeal process go well, let the appeal process go through in britain first. all right. what's most important right. what's the most important thing? so britain thing? all right. so britain first, you agree with that? we've taken back control. >> nigel farage jerry hayes. jerry hayes hasn't convinced me totally, but he's made the argument . but at least we do argument. but at least we do agree on one thing, which is the rotters in the profession in shown perfectly beautifully shown up perfectly beautifully by the daily mail need to lose their licences and be booted out. echr echr will probably debate for years to come. now a slightly different angle. lee anderson is a conservative member of parliament for ashfield. he is deputy chairman of the conservative party . he's of the conservative party. he's also a gb news presenter on friday evenings and lee joins me

down the line from his constituency. lee not for the first time you have caused total and utter outrage. i listen to the today programme on the bbc. they were barely able to control themselves because you've told illegal immigrants to f off back to france if they don't like going on the barges. the bibby stockholm in portland harbour , stockholm in portland harbour, lee, you know all of us at times in life go a bit too far. and we need to admit perhaps we've made a bit of mistake. you a bit of a mistake. are you apology ing the words you've apology ing for the words you've uttered? . do you not think uttered? no. do you not think the use of the f word in this context was perhaps bad taste ? context was perhaps bad taste? >> no. i'll tell you what it was, nigel. it's borne out of frustration . it's borne out of frustration. it's borne out of me being absolute furious and not just me that's being furious. my constituents and millions of people up and down the country. and i guess including yourself in this as

well. they are furious . the fact well. they are furious. the fact that these and i hate the word asylum seekers because they're not they're illegal economic migrants that are coming over in their thousands. they're and they're being enabled by these charities . and the nerve of it. charities. and the nerve of it. nigel i've been to calais. i've seen these migrants living in one man tents, living in absolute squalor . then they get absolute squalor. then they get here and we do our best. we bend over backwards to put them in decent accommodation and all of a sudden they get a choice. let's not forget, nigel, this barge, we've got workmen in the oil industry, grafters living on these barges, doing a good job for this great country of ours, and they never complain once. it makes sick the pit of my makes me sick to the pit of my stomach . when these stomach. when these lefty lawyers, the charities, the human rights campaigners say it's good enough. and like i it's not good enough. and like i say, not good enough, say, if it's not good enough, then should back to then you should go back to france in stronger words, in stronger words? >> no, absolutely. now care stronger words? >> calais. absolutely. now care stronger words? >> calais. say ;olutely. now care stronger words? >> calais. say thataly. now care stronger words? >> calais. say that many>w care stronger words? >> calais. say that many of care for calais. say that many of these people have been through trauma sick journeys the trauma sick journeys across the mediterranean and perhaps across

the english to channel and therefore they can't go on the barge because they have a fear of water. do you not have some sympathy for the care for calais argument ? argument? >> not at all. noise i've >> no, not at all. noise i've met i've met these people that work for care for kelly. look, if got fear of water, if they've got a fear of water, what the hell are they doing? getting on rubber dinghy? getting on a rubber dinghy? 50 to you know, 50 to a rubber to a, you know, 50 to a rubber dinghy and crossing the channel the dangerous shipping lane the most dangerous shipping lane in if anybody in the world. if anybody believes argument that believes that argument that they're of water and they're scared of water and quite frankly, they need carting off . off somewhere. >> got you as a party >> lee, we've got you as a party deputy chairman . we've got the deputy chairman. we've got the home secretary suella braverman. we've got lots of tough talk. and yet, let's be frank , let's and yet, let's be frank, let's be honest. it's your government, which you've been you know, you've been there in the commons since 2019. you have overseen this total failure and you may use the f word and suella may talk about life sentences for dodgy solicitors , but isn't the dodgy solicitors, but isn't the truth of it your party is

completely and utterly failed everyone . everyone. >> listen, nigel, i'm not going to sit here and make excuses to anyone on this is out of control. we're you know, we're in power at the moment. i'm, as you say, the deputy chair of the conservative party. we're in government and we have failed on this. there's doubt about it. this. there's no doubt about it. you said we're going you know, we said we're going to fix a failure. look we fix it. it is a failure. look we have got policies in place, and i know it's a bit hard for the british at the moment british public at the moment to actually understand what we're trying the rwanda trying to do with the rwanda flights and the changing legislation, the illegal migration bill. and it seems very slow. it's come with some. we're up against it. nigel, let's be honest. we've got the lefty lawyers. we've got the human campaigners, we've lefty lawyers. we've got the hunthe campaigners, we've lefty lawyers. we've got the hunthe charities.npaigners, we've lefty lawyers. we've got the hunthe charities. everything'sz've got the charities. everything's against i'm not against us. but no, i'm not making . it's slowing us making excuses. it's slowing us down. if the whole down. you know, if the whole of parliament was behind us in parliament and was behind us in this, i'm sure this would have got by now. but look, got through by now. but look, i'm not going to sit here, nigel, and make excuses. it makes sick time i see makes me sick every time i see a boat come across the channel, it makes me furious when i see them

putting barges. putting hotels and on barges. and contacted tonight and i've been contacted tonight by soldier by a soldier, an old soldier that in ireland in that served in. in ireland in the 70s. and he told me that he was 19 years old in northern ireland. and cramped ireland. and they were cramped in barracks. they couldn't in these barracks. they couldn't leave hours day. and leave for 20 hours a day. and they whether or not they weren't sure whether or not they weren't sure whether or not they going home they was going to come home alive. now, we can treat our alive. now, if we can treat our own soldiers like that, then these migrants need to look up and this a great country. >> i get the point. the napier barracks in folkestone in kent were enough for national were good enough for national service but good enough service men, but not good enough for cross the for those that cross the channel. get your channel. lee, we get your frustration, and we thank frustration, ian and we thank you all the you for not using all the language you used about this a couple of days ago. thank you. well i'll will lee anderson be able to keep his bank account for talking so frankly , because for talking so frankly, because at moment i'm going be at the moment i'm going to be joined by kevin saunders, a man who a really top job in the who held a really top job in the border force. and guess what? he's been debunked. we'll he's just been debunked. we'll find out why in just

a sharp eyed viewer a couple of days ago showed me a labour councillor, imran ali, from newcastle, who was saying on tiktok, hey , if you're here tiktok, hey, if you're here illegally, come to me. i will make sure that we get you legalised and you can stay. and i put this out on what i call it twitter. i think some call it x these days. and it went absolutely mad and led to keir starmer being asked questions and doing his best to ignore them. ben leo works here them. well, ben leo works here for dan wootton as a reporter and he's very intrepid and today he was up in newcastle and he tracked down the sitting labour councillor. have a look at this i >> ibrahim ali hello. sorry to bother you, ben, from gb news not interested . not interested. >> if i was, i would have returned your call. >> how much money have you made from. from fixing home office applications illegal applications for illegal migrants? can you tell us? you said have no fear. erum ali is here. i'll help anyone who is

illegal without a valid visa or anyone overstayed their anyone who's overstayed their visa using human rights loopholes . as you charge £1,500 loopholes. as you charge £1,500 for business sponsored licences is that what's paid for your nice mercedes with a private number plate is this labour policy to do what you're doing? have you got anything to say ? do have you got anything to say? do you want the boats to stop ? you want the boats to stop? >> well ben, leo doing a very, very good job there. you can see the full clip tonight with analysis on dan wootton here on gb news from 9 pm. this evening. and funny keemstar seems to have gone very, very quiet now. i was de—banking , but quiet now. i was de—banking, but yes, some say it's not a very good word, but i'm trying to introduce it into the english language . i was debunked because language. i was debunked because of . of my political opinions. apparently my views did not augn apparently my views did not align with those of the bank . align with those of the bank. well, kevin saunders , who has well, kevin saunders, who has been a regular guest on gb news ever since our launch, his former chief immigration officer former chief immigration officer for the border force in calais,

he's retired now. he is fully retired. and i mean, let's be honest, kevin. you know , you're honest, kevin. you know, you're sort of 70 odd these days, aren't you? >> i am indeed. yes >> i am indeed. yes >> it's nothing to be ashamed of. there now, what i found extraordinary was that for some reason , on the bank have used it reason, on the bank have used it seems, the same definition from natwest that to close your accounts as they use for me, namely a mortgage had come to an end . kevin how long how long end. kevin how long how long have you been with natwest ? have you been with natwest? >> i've been with that particular group for a long, a long time . a very long time. particular group for a long, a long time . a very long time . and long time. a very long time. and they are quite correct. my mortgage has come to an end, but it came to an end over ten years ago . ago. >> right? >> right? >> so . so the argument, the >> so. so the argument, the argument that they've closed your account because the mortgage is it ended ten years ago. yes >> yeah. yeah. i mean i do

wonder if perhaps they were to the home office at one stage because they've got big problems if they've got the delays that are going on ten years is now you've you know, you've held a professional siege near civil service role in border force . service role in border force. >> have you ever had any problems with going over your overdraft limit, with not being able to pay back the bank? have you ever experienced problems with the bank? no. no i haven't. >> no. no i had no problems at all. and i wonder if that is the problem. they're not making money out of me because my account is in credit and they pay account is in credit and they pay me a small amount of interest every month because the accounts in credit . accounts in credit. >> so what happened? kevin >> so what happened? kevin >> i just got a letter totally out of the blue last thursday saying basically we're closing your account. you've got six months to find another account . months to find another account. okay, thank you very much and

goodbye. okay, thank you very much and goodbye . and have you put in as goodbye. and have you put in as i did with coutts stroke natwest have you put in a subject access request to try and find a reason 7 request to try and find a reason ? no. i was absolutely gobsmacked when this came through last thursday. it was the day before a long weekend houday. the day before a long weekend holiday . yeah, i remembered that holiday. yeah, i remembered that since it was a natwest group bank account and i remembered you and i thought, well, hang on. the, the only difference is that the now i do appear every now and again on gb news. yeah. i wonder if it's the same thing. i wonder if it's the same thing. i wonder if the bank don't like me very much. >> do you think so. you suspect any other reason you suspect that that you've been cancelled or you may have been cancelled for political reasons for daring to speak out about the cross—channel illegal migrant trade ? trade? >> well, that is the only

assumption that i can make, because the story about the mortgage being repaid just doesn't hold water, in my opinion . yeah. so it's got to be opinion. yeah. so it's got to be something else . something else. >> okay. kevin, are you to going put in a subject access request? >> i am now , yes. >> i am now, yes. >> good. and join me, please. on account closed .org where we're all getting together to try and form a strong collective to stop this thing from happening. put in your subject access request to natwest. they legally are supposed to answer you within 30 days as although my recent one to natwest. but they've told the answer will be delayed until october. i think we've caught them out. i think they're in some trouble with this. so please pursue and on a personal level, how does it feel to get that letter ? that letter? >> i was i was shocked . but that letter? >> i was i was shocked. but i'm not i'm not a huge media star like like yourself. you know, i don't bank at kooks. i haven't

got lots of money stuck in the bank. why pick on me? i'm the small man . small man. >> well, kevin, i said you what? thatis >> well, kevin, i said you what? that is a question that is being asked by so many people we don't know the truth. there is an foi from the mail on sunday suggesting up to a million accounts may have been closed in the last four years. whether that's true or not, i don't know. there are loads of people in your position . have you been in your position. have you been out yet to try and seek a new account? >> we're looking at the >> no, we're looking at the options, but clearly we're options, but but clearly we're not going get anything in the not going to get anything in the natwest we've got to natwest group. so we've got to look other other banks to see look at other other banks to see what what they can offer us. but it's a lot of hassle. yeah. changing your bank account, as you well know . yeah. oh i'm you well know. yeah. oh i'm going to lose. >> i do. well no. and i've been rejected by a number of other banks. hopefully kevin , your banks. hopefully kevin, your profile is not so high that you won't have that problem. but thank you for sharing your story with us. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> what are the reason ? what

>> what are the reason? what other reason can there possibly be for kevin saunders account being closed now, of course we did contact natwest who said we're contacting some customers to inform them of our decision to inform them of our decision to withdraw legacy product to withdraw a legacy product that they hold with us. however, we offer a full range of current account products that we are continually investing in to enhance the customer experience. we're getting in touch directly with customers to with impacted customers to explain the they need to explain the steps they need to take. what a complete and utter load of baloney . baloney. here's load of baloney. baloney. here's mortgage expired ten years ago. that's the reason they gave now. ulez oh, it's happening. the 29th of august. ulez is coming to the outskirts of london. and if it goes through and is successful, it will come . i bet successful, it will come. i bet you to every city in the country as a precursor to road charging. after all, if we all go electric, they're going to need to raise money somehow. but can

has come up with the most extreme traordinary defence. he said that ulez extensions are going to be good for white van man. it'll improve their health. he must be getting desperate. in a moment i'm going to get somebody to speak on behalf of white van, man and woman, see you in

the ulez extension. it's all because of clean air. that, of course, is what we're being told by sadiq khan. it could save up to 4000 lives a year. he's also told us. but actually, you go right out to the edges of greater london and you find there is no air quality problem. what so ever . there is no air quality problem. what so ever. and of course opposition's been mounting. hey, who could believe that the conservatives held on to the uxbndge conservatives held on to the uxbridge seat again? right on the boundary? who could believe the boundary? who could believe the tories held on to that? and i think ulez was seen to have played the absolutely crucial

part. i live on the north part. where i live on the north downs of kent, right on the boundaries. i have never seen local anger over an issue as great as this , but it's okay, great as this, but it's okay, khan tells us. only one car in ten will have to pay the £12.50 daily charge . well, yes. if we daily charge. well, yes. if we go to kensington and chelsea and islington and hampstead, well, everyone there drives a brand new car that would be compliant because they've got lots and lots of money go out to the edges. it could be as many as 3 or 4 in ten out of cars. oh and by the way, all the old horse boxes will also simply not qualify. and there are the arguments of logic. but fighting back yesterday, khan said that white van drivers should be pleased because the improved air quality will mean it's better for their health and they'll take fewer days work. it is take fewer days off work. it is some of the most condescending rubbish i think ever heard rubbish i think i've ever heard in my life. well, clive dixon is chief executive officer of the national access and scaffolding

confederation . so clive , with confederation. so clive, with building sites , with employees , building sites, with employees, with contractors and, you know, whether it's hertfordshire or surrey or people are crossing this border, the whole time, aren't they? they are, nigel. >> mean, consider every >> i mean, if you consider every journey that people take, you see white vans, you see tradespeople , people getting to tradespeople, people getting to and from places of work. so absolutely it's going to have an impact not only for the contracting businesses, but also for their employees, because a lot of the vans that drive around , you know, they're around, you know, they're getting on a bit in time aren't they, in years? absolutely. and beanng they, in years? absolutely. and bearing in mind this was announced only three years ago, this extension is three years in a life cycle of vehicles . isn't a life cycle of vehicles. isn't that much in a cost of living crisis. that is creating a challenge. both inflation for the businesses that have got to actually then go out and buy new vehicles that meet the regulations bringing their life forward or of course, those poor employees, those craft employees, those those craft

craft people that are actually working their tradespeople that are getting sites are actually getting onto sites . but what are they going to do? they've got to actually buy a vehicle well. vehicle as well. >> but it's going to improve their the mayor has their health. so the mayor has told what are you told us. and what are you moaning about, clive? you should be happy. be you should be happy. >> health is important. absolutely not decrying that. we should air should be focussed on clean air and environmental improvements, but equally, three years is not sufficient and we're actually saying, look, an extension should be considered . should be considered. >> okay, so you think this should be delayed. now he has talked about a scrappage scheme. yes which he's ramped up over the course. but is that i mean, if you get a couple of grand to scrap a car a van and a new scrap a car or a van and a new ones, 8 grand, you're not ones, 8 or 9 grand, you're not that much better off, really, are you? >> it comes down to the economics trader, economics for a sole trader, smaller business. are smaller business. there are situations has worked situations where it has worked out, but of course that's about a potentially has a business that potentially has allowed got allowed for this, has got a vehicle was coming to end vehicle that was coming to end of and it works actually. of life. and it works actually. if you've got a vehicle that isn't or perhaps just post covid, business isn't quite

covid, the business isn't quite where want that's where you want it, that's a challenge. people, they challenge. even people, they are again by this. again being affected by this. and we've got to look at and again, we've got to look at an short extension to get this an a short extension to get this so the actual businesses so that the actual businesses and the individuals can actually get an adaption. >> you know, we were up in luton, quite a long from luton, so quite a long way from central couple of central london a couple of months ago. farage at large with an audience. i was amazed in an audience. and i was amazed in luton how the ulez extension had become a real issue because the number of people drive down number of people that drive down the m1 absolutely self employed people, whatever people, contractors, whatever they be. should they may be. how long should this delay be, in your opinion? >> certainly think a year >> we certainly think a year again , when we start looking at again, when we start looking at the way the businesses are adapting, some have adapted very well and are making those and have that capability, but some equally have to make financial arrangements . that's arrangements. that's inflationary. that's taking money away from other parts of the business that they may want to expand. these are challenges that affect businesses in different ways and extension will little more of will allow a little bit more of a buffer. and certainly a year would be a pragmatic and sensible.

>> but okay, you know, an extension. i mean, whether it's going happen, you know, the going to happen, you know, the court case, the councils court case, the five councils took, didn't succeed . took, you know, didn't succeed. clearly, starmer was clearly, keir starmer was getting nervous because there were a dozen seats were half a dozen labour seats right on the edge and other seats they might like to win. we'll see. another point, if i may, clive , you i've been may, clive, you know, i've been talking banking quite talking about banking quite a bit over the course of the last month, and we don't kill cash campaign. i presume in your industry there's still a fair bit knocking around. bit of cash knocking around. >> always a client that >> there's always a client that will look for a better will always look for a better deal and want to pay via cash. we take a pragmatic nasks members are audited independently . we look for independently. we look for quality businesses that are providing quality service to the customer, and that means running businesses professionally and correctly . cash okay to form of correctly. cash okay to form of payment. but as long as all of the systems are actually being adhered to properly and correctly, and that business is investing in their personnel, making sure they're healthy, we're about ulez earlier we're talking about ulez earlier about the health measures on

your side. >> oh, well. >> oh, well. >> is about making sure >> but it is about making sure that the people are running that the people that are running these businesses, their staff, their in a very their teams are in a very healthy position. cash okay. their teams are in a very heaa1y position. cash okay. their teams are in a very heaa form ;ition. cash okay. their teams are in a very heaa form ofon. cash okay. their teams are in a very hea a form of payment, kay. their teams are in a very heaa form of payment, but it it's a form of payment, but it should be profit able. it should be within the confines of working ethically and correctly. >> find with your >> do you find with your businesses in your confederate nafion businesses in your confederate nation that banks are nation that the banks are generally or not? generally helpful or not? >> there's a range of different stories. hear and customer stories. we hear and customer service challenges are always there is closing , branches there is closing, branches closing. we also see certainly the bureau rac now some members are saying, look, this is getting ridiculous. we've got to prove and jump through. so many hoops just to open know your customer rules absolutely will become ever more intrusive . become ever more intrusive. >> yeah, the biggest year. clive, thank you . no problem. my clive, thank you. no problem. my pleasure. in and, you pleasure. coming in and, you know, perhaps we don't think often enough, actually about the fact that ulez it isn't just about individuals who can't afford new cars. it is actually going to affect business in quite a big way. now, by what the moment today when

the farage moment today when it's yes, i'm on the banks it's hsbc. yes, i'm on the banks still. i can't help it, sir. sharon cowper—coles, one of the great and the good of this country. oh, goodness gracious me. yes. he was a former british ambassador and hsbc who, of course, make most of their money in hong kong who have been wholly uncritical of the fact that that ever since the chinese government , the chinese government, the chinese communist government, have broken all the agreements that were made over hong kong in terms of autonomy. hsbc have gone along with the chinese communist party line at every opportunity . and cowper—coles opportunity. and cowper—coles has spoken out against the british government and against the american government to say, we're too critical of china . you we're too critical of china. you see, if you bank with hsbc, your banking, with an organisation who put their own profit way above human rights, and that i'm sorry to say, is the absolute truth of it. in a moment, i'm

going to be joined by an essex entrepreneur, everything from ice cream emporium to pleasure parks, and he'll tell you why he's finding it harder and harder and more and more expensive to process cash. i'm not letting this one go. i'm really not back with you

now, a few months ago, we were in southend with farage at large, and one of the characters that i came across was james sinclair. he's the founder and ceo of the party man group of companies. now, we went to the ice parlour when were ice cream parlour when we were there . it's not been a very good there. it's not been a very good day for ice creams, really, has it? day for ice creams, really, has h? good day for ice creams, really, has it? good month for ice it? or very good month for ice creams. but you've got a variety of yeah. you're of businesses. yeah. and you're aimed you know, the leisure aimed at, you know, the leisure industry, hospitality and leisure. people. leisure. yeah and people. and southend to southend is a place people go to and visit. you've built up a and visit. and you've built up a great business empire showing the weather's not been better this summer, i guess. well some of them we've got a lot of

indoor leisure attractions and they've like gangbusters. >> you win some, you lose >> but you win some, you lose the need the sun have the ones that need the sun have had time the last had a troublesome time the last ten days. >> now, i'm buying an ice >> now, if i'm buying an ice cream, if popping out cream, yeah, if i'm popping out of on the front. yeah, of ross's on the front. yeah, that's southend an ice that's southend to buy an ice cream. yeah. i may well be an 8 or 9 year old kid on holiday. i'm going to pay in cash. are you can you know. and these are relatively priced items that relatively low priced items that you're selling. this you're selling. and in this case, lots of them. case, lots and lots of them. i've really been shocked to discover that for businesses , if discover that for businesses, if you take your cash to put it into your into your business account. yeah. that natwest are now charging you . well they all now charging you. well they all charge you they all charge £2.50 for every £100 you put in in cash.i for every £100 you put in in cash. i mean cash is legal tenden cash. i mean cash is legal tender. they shouldn't be charging for cash at all as much as £2.50 for every 100. >> it's around £7 for every thousand pounds. but this is the challenge you've got to find challenge is you've got to find a bank. well, i've closed them

well left, right and centre so you can't actually put the cash in the bank and then there's if you opfion in the bank and then there's if you option is to use you then the option is to use the post office you can the post office so you can trundle up to the post office. then you've got to put a member of to in that queue for of staff to be in that queue for ages. so you're paying that member pay the cash member of staff to pay the cash in then there's a lag of in and then there's a lag of getting that cash into your bank account. could be account. so there could be a two, day lag while the two, three day lag while the post office finding which post office are finding which bank account you're at. and that's a real challenge as well. if business, if you're a small business, you need flow to keep need that cash flow to keep coming in. >> charges for putting in >> well, charges for putting in cash vary. i see a figure of cash vary. i did see a figure of 250, but mean, you know, let's 250, but i mean, you know, let's not fight about but the not fight about that. but the bafic not fight about that. but the basic principle is then that really closure of the really with the closure of the banks, crediting banks, the slowness of crediting you money that you've you with the money that you've put yeah. with the put in. yeah. and with the charges, they're of driving charges, they're kind of driving you from cash, aren't? you away from cash, aren't? >> there's another one i think that's hold that's even more so if you hold more £5,000 your more than £5,000 in your business, it's in the safe. and if you're a pub, if you're a restaurant or that's not a lot of money for a business's turnover, we're not talking about profitable turnover here.

yeah. then you are penalised for insurance. there's insurance. and then there's another you are another challenge. if you are a business that is seen in the marketplace to take cash. now, rossps marketplace to take cash. now, rossi's broken into rossi's has been broken into three times in 12 months, three times in 12 months. and we don't actually on site, but actually keep cash on site, but they their luck . so they are trying their luck. so if you are seen as a business now that takes cash, i think you are a target of crime. >> that's more of a symptom of increasing lawlessness our increasing lawlessness in our country, think. but country, i think. but but obviously it's interrelated. >> i've actually it's >> but i've actually seen it's not of, oh , that's not just a point of, oh, that's my three times in 12 my view. three times in 12 months is too much, isn't it? >> yeah . and many >> nigel yeah. and how many times previous few years? times in the previous few years? >> constantly. got >> oh, constantly. we've got a big chain indoor play centres big chain of indoor play centres and we would be broken into 1 or 2 times a year on average when we taking lots of cash. when we was taking lots of cash. when i started in two thousand and seven, take about 70% seven, we would take about 70% cash, card. every year cash, 30% card. now every year 0809, it would get more and more in the favour of card. and that's another big problem you're taking all that time to sort the cash out and then cards would be much easier to you

know, just reconcile. >> but i mean you've got a range of businesses here. yeah you've got a very big turnover. yeah. cash turnover, profitability is a separate issue. you've got a big cash turnover. yeah. but you know, if i'm running a local fish stall , for argument's sake fish stall, for argument's sake and the average transaction is six, seven, £8, whatever it is. yeah. if i go from cash to cards , yeah, i'm going to be charged 1.75. >> we'd be cheaper than that. >> we'd be cheaper than that. >> well, it depends on the size you are. i mean. i mean i mean historic hinckley people were worried that cards were very expensive, but they've come down. >> they're a lot cheaper . i >> they're a lot cheaper. i think banking, cash and the time to bank cash costs us more in the time element than banking . the time element than banking. right. well, that's a useful counterargument. >> yeah. my worry is a bigger worry that if we have a cashless society , yeah, they can control society, yeah, they can control our lives. >> i get some criticism because some of our businesses have gone cashless. our two zoos are cashless. our two zoos are cashless don't how cashless. we don't take how awful . i know, but i do that

cashless. we don't take how awful. i know, but i do that i'd walk out some people , i'd walk out some people, i'd protest, i'd walk out. some people do attack us on social media for that. but we used to marsh farm, which is one of our zoos. it takes us four hours to catch up at the end of a busy day. now we cash up in five minutes and it's the target of crime. if that wasn't there because we wasn't being broken. >> but if they weren't breaking into you for cash, they could be breaking for anything breaking into you for anything else, they? they're else, couldn't they? they're breaking for cash breaking into you for cash because they the cctv shows because they they the cctv shows them to the safe. them trying to get to the safe. >> you could opening up. but >> but you could opening up. but you could go and, you know, bank your cash day or. yeah. your cash every day or. yeah. that's realistic is if that's not realistic is it. if you trade a saturday you you trade on a saturday you go and it a sunday. can you. >> that's one example. but monday, tuesday, wednesday. >> what about bank holiday mondays the biggest mondays which are the biggest things and things for hospitality and leisure. keeping leisure. so you're keeping friday, sunday, friday, saturday, sunday, monday, with this monday, you're going with this cashless no. cashless society? no, no. i don't we should a don't think we should be a cashless just cashless society. i'm just telling you the challenge when i started and started in two thousand and seven, banks on the seven, loads of banks on the high very to easy high street, very to easy bank cash. you would get your money

into bank straight away. the into the bank straight away. the branch closures, and branch closures, the branch and paying branch closures, the branch and paying into the post is paying into the post office is a real challenge. know, real challenge. you know, reduced their reduced opening hours. their closing some of closing post offices in some of the and getting change the key towns and getting change change becoming more and more change is becoming more and more difficult to access and you have to it like ten days in to book it like ten days in advance to make you really you can't into the bank, can't just walk into the bank, 90, can't just walk into the bank, go, i have £500 worth of go, can i have £500 worth of pound talk to you pound coins? they talk to you like you're, you know, like possessed. you haven't booked this have told us this in. you should have told us why in advance if you wanted why you in advance if you wanted to collect this much change, why you in advance if you wanted to coreallyhis much change, why you in advance if you wanted to co really put�*nuch change, why you in advance if you wanted to co really put you1 change, why you in advance if you wanted to co really put you to hange, why you in advance if you wanted to co really put you to town. they really put you to town. i think told you another. think i told you another. another word. >> banks are forcing you into this. maybe. this. well maybe. >> you too much >> but also, if you pay too much cash in, i mean, it's like going on who wants to be a millionaire? like, why are you doing it come doing this? where does it come from? you know, you have to prove you want to withdraw cash. >> even. and even you as >> oh, even. and even you as a well local businessman in well known local businessman in south they'll you what south end, they'll ask you what it's for. yeah. and if say it's for. yeah. and if you say what got to do with what the has it got to do with you? yeah. you'll probably be accused abusive to accused of being abusive to staff. finishing up staff. correct and finishing up and finish up having the account closed. you see bigger

and finish up having the account close(about.)u see bigger worry about. >> i do, because. because i have customers say to us, but customers say this to us, but that's i never it that's why i would never do it at our on the high street at our shops on the high street because we've got ice cream because we've got 11 ice cream shops various high street. shops and various high street. >> i've got a great business. >> i've got a great business. >> yeah, would never do that. >> yeah, we would never do that. we would never go cashless there. our visitor there. but on our visitor attractions, we these attractions, where we have these massive lows, whereas massive highs and lows, whereas shops income, shops are more steady income, but huge peak and but we have huge peak days and massive visitor massive low days of visitor attractions because a school holidays and stuff, it has become cashless. holidays and stuff, it has becc i 1e cashless. holidays and stuff, it has bech hate cashless. holidays and stuff, it has bech hate i cashless. holidays and stuff, it has bech hate i don't cashless. holidays and stuff, it has bech hate i don't want cashless. holidays and stuff, it has bech hate i don't want toishless. holidays and stuff, it has bech hate i don't want to do ess. and i hate i don't want to do it, but i've been sort of feel like being forced to do it. >> so the end, kids will all >> so in the end, kids will all have to have credit cards and debit cards. will they not? >> our ice cream shops? >> well, you can get an ice cream from james, but not much else . else. >> thank you for coming on and putting the counter. well, i'm just i'm you know, it is a problem. >> people want to pay cash, but it is becoming more and more difficult for businesses to bank cash games. >> know, was keen to get >> you know, i was keen to get keen to get the practicalities of this and you're on the sharp end this. and i'm you know,

end of this. and i'm you know, i'm very thank you for joining me. i'm very worried about a cashless society and very worried how the banks, big worried about how the banks, big banks and big government can abuse power to control our abuse that power to control our spending. and they're already doing know, with certain doing it, you know, with certain banks country. you banks in this country. if you want invest money through want to invest money through coin fca registered coin base, an fca registered business, crypto exchange, business, a crypto exchange, the banks well close your banks may well close your account. it's that level of control. the potential for cancellation that really, really scares me . now, a piece of news scares me. now, a piece of news out recently , which i think out recently, which i think polly will give you more of at 8:00, but everything these days is digital. it leads on really from the cash argument. everything's digital. everything's digital. everything's on giant databases and we see failure after failure . and what's emerged tonight is there has been an absolutely catastrophic , epic blunder with catastrophic, epic blunder with the police service of northern ireland where 10,000 individuals who've worked for the police service of northern ireland, their details have been leaked.

and the last couple of hours online. just think what that could mean in terms of terrorism and personal threats. and i the more we have digital databases , more we have digital databases, his my feeling is actually the less safe the less secure we become. i'm not a luddite. we can't turn back the clock. but i have deep worries about this. oh, and by the way, if you want to ring up the gas company, the electricity provider, you can't speak to human beings anymore. it's enough to make you want to tear your hair out. now, joining me live down the line from somerset is jacob rees—mogg, who is broker. i mean, jacob couldn't you have simply had a week's holiday ? week's holiday? >> well, it's much more fun to be broadcasting on gb news than to have a week's holiday. and it's so important. and a theme of our channel that we're not entirely london centric. and i think this just really makes the point that there is a world beyond london that we can get out and about, too. and can talk

to people from now. >> jacob i get that as well. and, you know, i've done, i think, 38 farage at large is all around the country. and i'm going go on doing but going to go on doing it. but i mean, don't your kids say, daddy, you know, couldn't you just off work ? just have a day off work? >> no, they're loving it. peter, read the mail mogs yesterday. i think thomas is doing it today. mary, unfortunately, is on houday. mary, unfortunately, is on holiday . otherwise i think she'd holiday. otherwise i think she'd be absolutely at the cutting edge of reading mail. mog sport for children . for children. >> and what's the big story tonight, jacob we're going to be talking about boilers because in rural areas 1.7 million households have oil boilers and they're facing having to get rid of them in 2025. >> and george eustice has come out and said this is a ulez for rural communities. and that's going to be our opening discussion. going to be our opening dis> the temperatures rising, boxt

solar, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> good evening and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. i'm craig snow. we're looking ahead to tomorrow. for most of us, it should be largely dry. best of the sunshine will be the east and for be out towards the east and for most of it should be feeling most of us it should be feeling warmer than it done. so warmer than it has done. so here's a situation the here's a situation at the moment, high pressure moment, we've got high pressure beginning to build in today's rain all responsible rain and cloud all responsible from this area of low pressure will gradually move as we will gradually move away as we go night time period. go into the night time period. so of us, we should so for a lot of us, we should start wednesday a fairly start wednesday off on a fairly clear note. quite windy clear note. still quite windy across the very far north of shetland and out towards the west. we're starting to just see the next spell of and rain the next spell of cloud and rain move but for most, it should move in. but for most, it should be a fairly mild start to wednesday with most of us staying double so staying in double figures. so plenty of sunshine initially across uk, but this cloud across the uk, but this cloud and outbreaks of rain will spread its way a little bit further eastwards we go further eastwards as we go through course of the day. further eastwards as we go thrijgh course of the day. further eastwards as we go thri think course of the day. further eastwards as we go thri think come'se of the day. further eastwards as we go thri think come the if the day. further eastwards as we go thri think come the afternoon so i think come the afternoon rather grey skies for northern

ireland, parts of western scotland into wales, scotland down into wales, southwest and eventually southwest england and eventually into the best into midlands too. so the best of sunshine really will be out towards the east east in scotland, england, scotland, south—east england, probably seeing the lion's share and in southeast feeling and in the southeast feeling much highs reaching 24 much warmer highs reaching 24 degrees and then into thursday, after a bit of a slow grey start, this will quickly start, this cloud will quickly burn away and first burn away and actually first there's going be the there's probably going to be the best the week most of best day of the week for most of us. of sunshine come the us. plenty of sunshine come the afternoon and in the sunshine feeling much warmer. highs reaching degrees feeling much warmer. highs retthe1g degrees feeling much warmer. highs retthe south. degrees feeling much warmer. highs retthe south. but degrees feeling much warmer. highs retthe south. but this degrees feeling much warmer. highs retthe south. but this is degrees feeling much warmer. highs retthe south. but this is onerees in the south. but this is one day, one day as we go into friday, turning cooler and more showery. that goes into the showery. and that goes into the weekend, too. >> temperatures rising on >> the temperatures rising on boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on

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jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation. tonight as william of orange led his forces against the deposed james ii in 1690. in the deposed james ii in 1690. in the battle of the boyne today , the battle of the boyne today, former environment secretary george eustice leads tory rebels into the battle of the boilers. a fourth coming ban on all new oil boilers has been dubbed a ulez for rural communities by the member for camborne and redruth. but as a new poll reveals, decline in support for green policies , could the tide green policies, could the tide be turning on the net zero agenda and speaking of the disconnect between the tofu eating wokerati and the electorate , the synthetic meat electorate, the synthetic meat giant beyond meat has reported its sales are down by a third owing to the cost of living crisis, as in fact it's taken such a hit that its share price fell by 12% last night. what surprised that people prefer real meat to mushed up mung bean protein, whatever that is presented in gelatinous bacon shaped streaks . the illegal shaped streaks. the illegal migration saga continues as the home secretary launches a

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