why. and let's face it, we all know by now, don't we.7 we why. and let's face it, we all know by now, don't we? we are being ripped off by the banks. they are so quick to hike up the rates on your mortgage, but not so quick to do the same for your savings . they are so quick to do the same for your savings. they are making eye—watering a eye—watering profits as a result. i'm asking , is it result. so i'm asking, is it time follow some of the other time to follow some of the other countries tax the countries and windfall tax the banks? and today when the police should be busy fighting crime? guess what they're doing instead , they are hanging around outside shops such as jd sports. why? well, because idiots on social media have been organising a co—ordinated stealing session. i'm asking a simple question is social media a scourge on society? are we better or worse for having it ? better or worse for having it? and does believing in biological sex and that it matters make you akin to a racist or something like a white supremacist ?

like a white supremacist? definitely not if you ask me. but apparently, sir, according to a member of parliament, this well word has gone mad. we're to going have it all to come tonight. alex dean, aaron bastani keeping me company. but before we get into it all, let's get the headlines . get the latest headlines. >> good evening. i'm ray addison in the newsroom . our top story, in the newsroom. our top story, police in northern ireland say they're now investigating a second data breach. this time, the theft of documents relating to a stolen laptop. according to the force, a spreadsheet containing the names of more than 200 serving officers and staff was stolen from a private vehicle in the newtownabbey area on july 6th. the police issue laptop and radio were also taken earlier , the psni announced earlier, the psni announced a critical incident after admitting that data revealing the details of thousands of police was briefly published online. a british man is among

five people who've been shot deadin five people who've been shot dead in violent protests in south africa . for the fourth south africa. for the fourth year old reportedly a doctor who was a tourist in the country was killed in cape town last thursday . it's believed that thursday. it's believed that he'd taken a wrong turn when a group approached the vehicle and shot him. unrest began after minibus taxi drivers announced a week long strike over a surge in illegal people smuggling gangs is to be tackled by a new deal struck between the uk and turkey . under the agreement, the turkish national police will speed up the process of returning turkish nationals who come to britain via illegal channels . turkey is often used channels. turkey is often used as a major hub for people smuggling gangs due to its geographical location , and geographical location, and reports suggest that many vessels used to cross the channel originate there . strikes channel originate there. strikes by staff at gatwick airport will cause disruption during the bank houday cause disruption during the bank holiday weekend as workers announce fresh walkouts as part

of an ongoing dispute over pay . of an ongoing dispute over pay. the unite union saying that around 230 workers, including ground handlers and those who assist passengers, will walk out for eight days. the dates of those walkouts , 18th of august, those walkouts, 18th of august, and then again from the 25th. fewer homes are to be built by a major construction firm due to a sharp slowdown in the property market. bellway told shareholders it expects completions to decrease s due to weaker order numbers and low reservation rates. but there is some good news on the way for those with a mortgage. several of britain's biggest lenders have cut their interest rates today. let's take a look at them nationwide, cut up to 0.55% off of its fixed rate mortgages. tsb has slashed around 0.4% from selected five year fixed rate products and hsbc has cut rates on its residential mortgage range . by 0.2% well, of course,

range. by 0.2% well, of course, the bank of england's base rate is remaining at 5.25, 41 migrants have died in a shipwreck off the italian island of lampedusa. local media reports say that four people who survived the wreckage told rescuers they were on a boat that set off from tunisia and sank on its way to italy. it also said the boat that was carrying 45 people included three children. the prime minister of france has visited the site of a deadly fire that killed 11 people earlier on this morning . the blaze broke out at morning. the blaze broke out at a holiday home for disabled people and was quickly extinguished by firefighters . extinguished by firefighters. president emmanuel macron described it as a tragedy . 11 described it as a tragedy. 11 dispersal orders have been issued by police on london's oxford street after social media posts encouraged people to steal from stores . the tiktok posts from stores. the tiktok posts prompted a heavy police presence and two young men were seen being led away in handcuffs. some outlets shut their doors

while crowds gathered and traffic was temporarily brought to a halt. a spokesperson for the mayor of london told gb news anyone who's seen content encouraging them to commit crime should ignore it . online encouraging them to commit crime should ignore it. online medical company babylon health is at risk of collapsing unless it finds a buyer. babylon's gp at hand service is available 24 hours a day via your smartphone phone. it's funded by the nhs and became the first gp provider to build up more than 100,000 patients since the us listed company has struggled after a business merger fell through . it business merger fell through. it says the uk part of its business is still successful and sustainable , but will struggle sustainable, but will struggle to continue unless a solution is found . this is gb news across found. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now let's get back to . michelle

now let's get back to. michelle thanks for that ray and michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. >> alongside me, i've got two of your favourites . you tell me who your favourites. you tell me who your favourites. you tell me who you like and i'll listen. pr consultant alex dean is here alongside him, the founder of novara media, aaron bastani . novara media, aaron bastani. good evening. welcome, gents. you've got a suntan. where have you been? have you been on holiday? >> where my wife's from. >> malta, where my wife's from. very , too. lucky. lucky to very lucky, too. lucky. lucky to have there. but i'm also have been there. but i'm also very grateful to be back. but not weather, not for the weather, particularly on dewbs& co women, particularly on dewbs& co women, particularly the high particularly dewbs& co the high energy dewbs& co energy of dewbs& co >> is what we like >> that is what we like everybody, isn't what is on everybody, isn't it? what is on your tonight? i've got lots your mind tonight? i've got lots coming way. want to talk coming your way. i want to talk to about greedy banks to you about greedy banks ripping us with their ripping us off with their interest rates and whether or not windfall not it's time to add a windfall tax guys. social media. tax to those guys. social media. do you think it is enhanced society better or society for the better or not? i think it's a scourge on society. if you disagree with me, do tell me got it all to come. me why. i've got it all to come. and more. views gbnews.com is and more. gb views gbnews.com is the or can the email address. or you can tweet me at gb news. we need to stop saying that because it's not called twitter anymore. we

need like you can need to be saying like you can exors. but that doesn't sound right, it? right, does it? >> sounds a little wrong. >> sounds a little wrong. >> doesn't. it sounds like >> doesn't. yeah, it sounds like we've in a really bad we've been in a really bad relationship and people just want to with us or want nothing to do with us or something. sounds bit something. it all sounds a bit weird, whatever. if twitter weird, but whatever. if twitter is your thing, get in is still your thing, get in touch with there. but you touch with me on there. but you know, every single day pretty much poll asking if much there is a poll asking if there general election there is a general election tomorrow, vote tomorrow, who would you vote for? i've never been for? i maintain i've never been polled in all my life. that has not changed recently. but notwithstanding these notwithstanding that, these polls in thick and polls are coming in thick and fast, general fast, there is not a general election i always election tomorrow. so i always take these with a pinch of salt, but it's getting to the point now i cannot ignore the now where i cannot ignore the obvious dean, when obvious because alex dean, when you the spectrum you look across the spectrum at the different polls and who's conducting does seem conducting them there does seem to common message which is to be a common message which is a election . the tories a general election. the tories would take quite a kicking and it would be labour that would prosper i'm tonight prosper. so i'm asking tonight a simple question , anne. do you simple question, anne. do you think that labour party is think that the labour party is what need to britain what we need to make britain great what we need to make britain gre i: what we need to make britain gre i certainly don't and what we need to make britain grei certainly don't and i can >> i certainly don't and i can explain why, but let me just say

a word on polling first. when you look at the data the you look at the data in the polls and it's clear , as you polls and it's clear, as you say, that labour has a lead in poll of polls or across the data that you can see. but that lead isn't drawn from some enormous groundswell of new support for the labour party. it comes from a very large growth in the number of people who say they don't know how they're going to vote at the next election, who are then discarded, voted from final saying what final figures saying what the final figures saying what the final and final result should be, and people they don't know people who say they don't know how going to vote are how they're going to vote are wildly disproportionately taken from those who voted conservative 2019. to conservative in 2019. that is to say that challenge for the say that the challenge for the tory is to get out its tory party is to get out its vote and convince people that supported time supported it last time they should again. that's hard, should do so again. that's hard, but identifiable and it's doable. >> is there is it doable, do you think? so basically, what alex is saying and i'll paraphrase is correct me if i'm wrong, but basically this is a lot of it is to do anomalies in the to do with anomalies in the polls. and actually the tories perhaps battered perhaps wouldn't be as battered as saying that they perhaps wouldn't be as battered as be. saying that they would be. >> well, i think the poll indicating 90 conservative seats

is probably unlikely. is probably very unlikely. i think the think worst case for the conservatives, 150 seats, something is something like 1997, which is obviously still very bad. and it's important to say majority it's important to say a majority of would be of one for labour would be extraordinary given they extraordinary given where they ended in 2019. going back to ended up in 2019. going back to your question about would a labour government good for labour government be good for the a labour the uk, i think a labour government would less bad for government would be less bad for the uk than the conservatives. now that's not now i understand that's not a ringing endorsement, but that might people running to might not get people running to the in may 2024, the ballot box in may 2024, perhaps , and that's probably perhaps, and that's probably what the conservatives are banking there is not this banking on. there is not this enthusiasm and energy behind keir but i have to say keir starmer, but i have to say i feel sorry for conservative voters because it feels like they're permanently gaslit they're being permanently gaslit by their own party. boris johnson funds ltns now rishi sunak looking into them in 2019. they commit to net zero by 2050. now they say they hate net zero. they said they'd get immigration down to the tens of thousands in 2010. now net immigration, 600,000 over the last 12 months. so on issue after issue, they create bogeymen. they say we have to do something about this.

they're the ones responsible. >> but there's been a massive issue in between, which is called the global pandemic, which has altered the landscape up hugely various different places. >> well, i just think and look, it's partly a function of being in power for so long, but i just think people aren't going to take very seriously if they take them very seriously if they keep on keep on doing this. on immigration, on net zero, on ltns look, it was their idea to have this prohibition on new petrol being sold off petrol cars, not being sold off 2020 came them and now 2020 that came from them and now they're rallying against it. ulez initially proposed by ulez was initially proposed by bofis ulez was initially proposed by boris mayor. boris johnson as london mayor. now making it this huge now they're making it this huge totemic it's going totemic issue because it's going totemic issue because it's going to maybe it's called to give them maybe it's called listening to electorate. listening to the electorate. >> maybe that's we don't >> maybe that's one we don't realise. there's a lot of realise. yeah there's a lot of issues mentioned. i don't disappear down one >> i don't disappear down one particular hole, ltns >> i don't disappear down one pwhenlar hole, ltns >> i don't disappear down one pwhen they hole, ltns >> i don't disappear down one pwhen they were |ole, ltns >> i don't disappear down one pwhen they were first ltns >> i don't disappear down one pwhen they were first mooted, , when they were first mooted, were quite an were actually quite an empowering local empowering thing for local government, which is something i happen believe in. i think we happen to believe in. i think we should more authority at a should give more authority at a lower mean to lower level. i don't mean to sound hierarchical a local sound hierarchical at a local level people can more level where people can make more decisions lives decisions about how their lives are it seems in a are run. sadly, it seems in a lot of the examples i've just

moved which is moved into dulwich, which is crippled ltns and people are crippled by ltns and people are having to endure ltns, which aren't working. but your thing about ulez, the ultra low emission zones, which are now seeing number of different seeing in a number of different cities ulez originally cities, the ulez as originally conceived for london, was really kind of central. it was like monopoly board or less. it was really quite central it . really quite central around it. the quickly out the expansion so quickly out into the outer boroughs. i mean, i would think most people on the left, the real left wouldn't like the people it like it because the people it punishes most are working punishes the most are working people bought people who haven't bought a vehicle ultra vehicle in a while, ultra dependent on their vehicle for work, to airport work, like going to the airport or doing things out of hours. the tradesmen and so forth, and cannot to trade up. so cannot afford to trade up. so those those people used to be core labour voters . and the idea core labour voters. and the idea that you kind of laugh it that you should kind of laugh it off when those are the people who i wasn't saying who suffer no, i wasn't saying i'm wasn't you i'm sorry. i wasn't saying you were the the sidique khan were the idea. the sidique khan should oh, well then it's should say, oh, well then it's only 1 in 10 vehicles, so forget about 1 in 10 is about it when that 1 in 10 is really from who can really drawn from people who can least to lose shift least afford to lose shift workers that span different

days, for example, they'll hammering. >> you mentioned 2019. some would that actually of would say that actually one of the between then the key differences between then and forward would be the and going forward would be the fact is no fact that jeremy corbyn is no longer the leader and instead being replaced by keir starmer. do think that starmer would do you think that starmer would fare better? i mean, it's not i was going to say a fare better than corbyn did, but i don't really think that's going to be very hard. but do you think that they're going to be better placed with starmer as their leader? >> well, it'll be an interesting challenge if starmer can challenge if keir starmer can clear that 40, which what clear that 40, which is what labour 2017. i mean, if labour gets in 2017. i mean, if he that failure he doesn't, that is a failure because a lot of people like myself point finger and myself can point the finger and say, actually jeremy say, well, actually jeremy corbyn did better than you. i think present, on present think on present, on present trajectories. it's a trajectories. and again, it's a year least he probably year away. at least he probably will 40. think this is will clear 40. i think this is my suspicion. think get my suspicion. i think labour get a majority and i think a healthy majority and i think keir starmer won't do very much. he'll be very poor in the execution action and he'll become incredibly disliked very quickly, like francois quickly, a bit like francois hollande you hollande in france after, you know, the early 2010s. that's my read things. i think if

read on things. and i think if you're an ambitious conservative native, you're going you're an ambitious conservative nawork you're going you're an ambitious conservative nawork with you're going you're an ambitious conservative nawork with ratheryou're going you're an ambitious conservative nawork with rather than, going you're an ambitious conservative nawork with rather than, oh,ng to work with rather than, oh, well, we can we can win next year because actually, you know, we've got all the answers like i say, think been so bad say, i think they've been so bad to own electorate , their to their own electorate, their own base for so long. i just think too many people are switching off. >> so one the things to say >> so one of the things to say is to go your first point, is to go to your first point, michel, about polls . the next michel, about polls. the next election is a away and election is a year away and a lot can change in time. the lot can change in that time. the real that matters is when real poll that matters is when people to and of people go to vote. and of course, thatcher famously in the 19805 course, thatcher famously in the 1980s was always miles 1980s term was always miles behind the polls, like much behind in the polls, like much worse even than this on some occasions. but really far behind. and we'd say, how far are we away? not far enough. we've got to keep going and convince people we're doing things in office. i also things in in office. i also think what aaron was saying, things in in office. i also think what aaron was saying , the think what aaron was saying, the comparison with 2019 is interesting of interesting because of the global because the global pandemic, because of the invasion of ukraine, of invasion of ukraine, because of the financial events we've seen around the world, people sometimes lose sight of how transfer formative a period. this is politically,

domestically in the uk , the big domestically in the uk, the big defining features of the last election were boris brexit and jeremy corbyn. whatever you think of those and net net, they were all in favour of the conservative party. they encouraged people to vote tory and none those are really are and none of those are really are going to next you going to apply next time. you might let's really finish might argue let's really finish off might bit, off brexit might be there a bit, but the other two were obviously unambiguously gone, right? so it's unusual to it's very unusual to have a single parliament in which all the main the light motifs, all the main themes that dominate an election have changed completely by the time of the next one. >> and i do think actually that i think corbyn you'll i think the corbyn you'll probably disagree with i probably disagree with me, but i think the corbyn element did drive of people that drive a lot of people that perhaps were traditional perhaps were not traditional tories . as to the tories in tories. as to the tories in 2019, do you think that's fair ? 2019, do you think that's fair? >> no, i think corbynism in many ways was a failure. i saw a great article recently by a lady he used to work at the economist and mcelvoy and she said, corbyn is like farage. i said to myself, if only if only jeremy corbyn could do rebuttal and agenda like nigel

agenda setting like nigel farage, he'd be the prime minister. so i think there were lots of actually, with lots of strengths actually, with corbynism its policy agenda on on ownership, a narrative on public ownership, a narrative potentially on reconstructing , potentially on reconstructing, rebuilding a nation, a national community. it couldn't do that for a bunch of reasons, many self—inflicted . and so i think self—inflicted. and so i think the comparative advantages were never really jumped upon . but i never really jumped upon. but i think the core policies of rebuilding this country, making it a better place to live for everyone . and i still think everyone. and i still think that's a very powerful one. and i frankly don't think that starmer is going to build on that. starmer is very that. i think starmer is very much of big much in the pocket of big business. know, he's talking business. you know, he's talking about he's talking about his dad being a, you know, toolmaker being a, you know, a toolmaker and things. don't and all these things. i don't want hear your story, your want to hear your story, your hard luck story. i want to hear the you're saying about the story you're saying about the story you're saying about the and, it's the country and, you know, it's a i still think a shame, but i still think there's a there's an appetite for stuff. there's a there's an appetite for i stuff. there's a there's an appetite for i had tuff. there's a there's an appetite for i had no z. there's a there's an appetite for i had no idea his dad was >> i had no idea his dad was a toolmaker. someone should have mentioned some point. mentioned that at some point. look, the corbyn look, of course, the corbyn legacy that's split legacy is one that's split his party, least. whatever party, not least. and whatever you whether the you think, whether the anti—semitism allegations are

fair starmer has fair or unfair or starmer has had a deal of time had to spend a good deal of time putting house in order putting the house in order and plainly obvious jewish plainly it's obvious the jewish community felt that there was an element of anti—semitism, rightly the rightly or wrongly, in the labour under labour party as it was under under corbyn. starmer has under corbyn. and starmer has had do a good deal of repair had to do a good deal of repair to relationship because to that relationship because that's that that's one thing that unambiguously that's one thing that unarelection.ly that's one thing that unarelection. people the jewish last election. people the jewish community been community would once have been split way that it votes split in the way that it votes much more than it was in 2019 against labour party under against the labour party under corbyn. i just wanted to make a different though, because different point though, because i'm quite conscious haven't i'm quite conscious we haven't answered question as answered your exam question as to not the labour to whether or not the labour party better party would be better for britain, at i haven't. britain, or at least i haven't. i unambiguously think that it would bad the country. would be bad for the country. i am sure as wednesday follows am as sure as wednesday follows tuesday britain governed tuesday that a britain governed by starmer and co would be by keir starmer and co would be worse for britain. even on the criticisms that are makes even if i conceded all of those, not least because to my mind blair was a centrist by inclination. so starmer is currently a bit of a centrist because you can see he's sort of he's been told to be he needs to be in order to win the election. it's not in

his dna. it's not in his core instincts. he's actually, i think, are quite a bit more left wing than than his current persona wing than than his current per i yna wing than than his current peri mean, i'll be interested to >> i mean, i'll be interested to see the turnout the next see the turnout at the next general because general election, because i think people are i'm trying to kill there. kill a fly there. >> in case you're wondering what i doing with fruit i was just doing with fruit flies. i was to be flies. know i was trying to be really discreet then really discreet and then i realised my hand on the realised that my hand was on the screen. i don't have a screen. so i don't have a nervous twitch. there was just a fly landed and i was trying fly that landed and i was trying to get it and i failed. anyway, it'll be interesting to see the turnout the next general election. >> don't equals election. » don-t >> don't knows equals don't turn out vote. and the out and don't vote. and the turnout the biggest threat to turnout is the biggest threat to the party. the conservative party. >> think i say all >> i don't think i say this all the time. people get really the time. when people get really angry the dirt think angry with me, the dirt think i should be in a position where i'm this, but i'm not i'm saying this, but i'm not sure that if there was an if there was a general election tomorrow, out to vote. >> i completely disagree with that. >> e what en- >> no matter what people do, they'll getting in touch and they'll be getting in touch and telling me off, no matter which way should vote. telling me off, no matter which wayand should vote. telling me off, no matter which wayand you should vote. telling me off, no matter which wayand you really|ould vote. telling me off, no matter which wayand you really want,'ote. telling me off, no matter which wayand you really want, if e. >> and if you really want, if you really feel like you cannot vote the answers on

vote for any of the answers on the paper, least the ballot paper, at least register your discontent and spoil ballot, at spoil your ballot, you will at least have shown that you are there. >> they don't care. >> they don't care. >> don't there go, >> they don't sit there and go, i've had it. >> they don't care. >> they don't care. >> penises on side. >> penises drawn on their side. >> penises drawn on their side. >> they don't care if >> ten they don't care if there's 100. but if over time there's100. but if over time there's100. but if over time there's votes every there's 1000 votes in every constituency where people are spoiling their ballots, people will the will sense there's room in the political a political spectrum for a different i'll different appetite. that's i'll give opinion. i'm different appetite. that's i'll give a opinion. i'm different appetite. that's i'll give a good opinion. i'm different appetite. that's i'll give a good deal opinion. i'm quite a good deal more sympathetic australian sympathetic to the australian position compulsory position of compulsory voting than most people. but only if you none of the above. you can say none of the above. >> yeah, say have. you can say none of the above. >> we h, say have. you can say none of the above. >> we h, say on have. you can say none of the above. >> we h, say on have there you go. >> there you go. we managed to find a point agreement find a point of agreement between we got between these two before we got to i haven't got time between these two before we got to register i haven't got time between these two before we got to register myiaven't got time between these two before we got to register my frustration time between these two before we got to register my frustration with that. yeah, you'd that. i just. oh yeah, you'd have there by my have to drag me there by my fingertips. i think if you tried to voting. to enforce compulsory voting. do you reckon that is though, the answer? what a answer? and by the way, what a sorry of affairs is within sorry state of affairs is within politics. the only way that politics. if the only way that you can people engage you can get people to engage with politician is by with you as a politician is by forcing i think forcing them to do so. i think mps need to have a long, hard look in the mirror and ask themselves, many themselves, why would so many people turn out at people perhaps not turn out at the next election? now i want to talk to you about banks. we are being massively off when

being massively ripped off when it comes the interest rates it comes to the interest rates not being passed should it comes to the interest rates not bybe; passed should it comes to the interest rates not bybe a3assed should it comes to the interest rates not bybe a windfall should it comes to the interest rates not bybe a windfall tax 1ould it comes to the interest rates not bybe a windfall tax on ld it comes to the interest rates not bybe a windfall tax on the there be a windfall tax on the banks

>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> hello there, michelle dewberry along side me, alex, dean and aaron bastani remain you guys have been getting in contact about whether or not you think labour are the answer at the next election . graham says the next election. graham says the next election. graham says the most pressing issues in this country are the nanny state interference and enormous taxes. and you don't see that labour party would address that any time soon. dawn says. in wales there are many of us who cannot wait to see the back of labour, she says. our services here are falling apart and she urges people to be careful what they wish for. bannon says more labour voters dislike starmer even more than they did jeremy corbyn and one of you, bernard again, i think it's you saying, michelle, you're a hypocrite. you ran for office. so how can

you sit there now and say you would not vote? well if i ran for office because i believed that there should be someone better representing my hometown in parliament and i believed i was that person . that is very was that person. that is very different, though, to me. not running looking at running and actually looking at what's and engaging what's on offer and engaging with them. >> get better if >> but it won't get better if you take part. you don't take part. >> michelle well, but on >> michelle well, yes, but on the occasions that have the occasions that i have taken part, there and i look at part, i sit there and i look at it and i think, what is this shower? >> but what you did was go all the to and you don't the way to 100 and you don't have are options between have there are options between zero, not voting, not doing anything and 100. >> can just vote and that is >> you can just vote and that is your paying your little your that is paying your little widow's contributing to widow's mite is contributing to society am part of society and saying i am part of the main i think very the main. i think it's very important you that. the main. i think it's very imfwell,t you that. the main. i think it's very imfwell,t you it'sthat. the main. i think it's very imfwell,t you it'sthatthe job of >> well, then it's on the job of all the politicos convince all of the politicos to convince me. then >> no, it's not me. it's on. >> sorry. i know you want to move on, but on all of us move on, but it's on all of us to part. it's not on to play our part. it's not on there. not their there. it's not their responsibility to convince us. we feel democratic we should feel that democratic duty. place in duty. it's part of our place in society that. society to do that. >> that democratic >> i don't feel that democratic duty . sorry. know i should. duty. sorry. i know i should. and i know that lots of you at

home cheering alex on home will be cheering alex on saying, yeah, you tell her, alex. people her alex. people died for her right to and they did. to vote. and they did. >> they did. >> yes, they did. >> yes, they did. >> people for my right to >> people died for my right to vote. not to. not to make it compulsory, to force me to vote. and there is a difference . and there is a difference. >> but you make a farce of that. >> but you make a farce of that. >> if you then say, i'm not going to bother you. did all of that? do you know what? you've won and i'm not won me this, right? and i'm not going will not going to exercise it. will not just right to whether just having the right to whether or not exercise it and that or not to exercise it and that is society that a democracy. >> i maintain position. if >> i maintain my position. if the vote, the politicians want my vote, want turn out and people want me to turn out and people like me do better, do better when elected. actually when you get elected. actually deliver you will deliver what you say, you will deliver what you say, you will deliver positively impact it communities and societies. then guess what? i might turn out and give you my cross in the box. but you know what? i've discussed this before. they're on your side at home because we all watched by sensible, good, right thinking people . yeah, right thinking people. yeah, well, i'm a northerner with thick skin and handle it. thick skin and i can handle it. so. yes i hear you at home. and i you, alex. you've i hear you, alex. but you've not convinced let's move on.

convinced me. so let's move on. let's talk bank, shall we? we all that by now they're not all know that by now they're not behaving in main the behaving wrong in the main the way should be when it way that they should be when it comes to interest rates. if you've mortgage within you've got a mortgage within nanoseconds of rate, nanoseconds of the rate, changing base rate changing, changing the base rate changing, you'll a text saying your you'll get a text saying your rate affected. rate has been affected. if you've savings , you will not you've got savings, you will not get feedback as quick. the get that feedback as quick. the banks coining it in banks are coining it in eye—watering profits in some countries, i.e. italy. they were very quick recently, i think it was yesterday. today they imposed a windfall tax 40% on the banks. they saw the impact, the banks. they saw the impact, the potential impact , the share the potential impact, the share pnces the potential impact, the share prices of the banks dropping and they watered it down a little bit . but notwithstanding that, bit. but notwithstanding that, i think there is an interesting case to be made for a windfall tax on banks. do you agree? >> i don't i don't think they just a little bit. >> think italians >> i think the italians basically you basically reversed it. what you do your financial and do to your financial markets and your institutions in a country, if start imposing that if you start imposing that sort of the of thing, is you tell the international investor community, look elsewhere for and you will harm your foreign direct investment opportunities

quite start quite significantly if you start doing that. i actually think that our banks get a bad that our banks get quite a bad rap . it's very because at the rap. it's very because at the moment the kind of victims that your swoops on, once it your society swoops on, once it would been, know, would have been, i don't know, estate something, estate agents or something, and now, people can beat now, now the people you can beat up no no cost harm up on with no no cost or harm are banks. but our banks have returned change in interest returned the change in interest to their savers more quickly than banks in germany or france and so forth . the uk is well and so forth. the uk is well ahead of international curve ahead of the international curve in imposed a huge in that and we've imposed a huge number duties on our banks, number of duties on our banks, not just in the widely covered discussion about peps and so forth . and knowing your customer forth. and knowing your customer reviews , but in their liquidity reviews, but in their liquidity and stability requirements, they're obliged to keep good they're obliged to keep a good deal more their cash so that deal more of their cash so that they they can they can demonstrate they can pay they can demonstrate they can pay they need to, if the pay out if they need to, if the event so they can lend a event arises. so they can lend a lot less. and the other thing that's our banks that's happened with our banks is get fined now even is that they get fined now even if is that they get fined now even h done is that they get fined now even if done nothing if they've done nothing wrong. but can't demonstrate but if they can't demonstrate they've got enough systems in place to prevent somebody potentially something potentially doing something wrong, if add all of that up wrong, if you add all of that up , comes sector that is , it comes to a sector that is

very regulated . and very heavily regulated. and if you windfall you start imposing windfall taxes as well, you'll get to the point in the end where our banks aren't purpose , for aren't fit for purpose, for staying alive into the future. the about the most important thing about a banking there's banking sector is that there's a plurality providers and the plurality of providers and the institutions on. you institutions carry on. you shouldn't object to them making a a profit. sometimes a bit of a profit. sometimes because should robust a bit of a profit. sometimes becauseto should robust a bit of a profit. sometimes becauseto go should robust a bit of a profit. sometimes becauseto go through robust a bit of a profit. sometimes becauseto go through roitimes a bit of a profit. sometimes becéand 0 go through roitimes a bit of a profit. sometimes becéand ifgo through roitimes a bit of a profit. sometimes becéand if you 1rough roitimes a bit of a profit. sometimes becéand if you deny1 roitimes a bit of a profit. sometimes becéand if you deny1 roithees too. and if you deny them the income they won't make it income now, they won't make it later . income now, they won't make it latel'm capitalist, by the way, >> i'm a capitalist, by the way, so profit. so i don't deny anyone's profit. but do think there becomes but i do think there becomes a point in life when actually you're not making profit on your endeavours , you're profit endeavours, you're making profit on outside of your on circumstances outside of your control , and on circumstances outside of your control, and you're doing so by what i would call ripping off a lot of your customers on your savings rate. >> but the other thing about that, though, is that that might be fair accusation if people be a fair accusation if people still really high mortgage still had really high mortgage rates ultra low savings rates and ultra low savings rates, we've moved up more rates, we've moved it up more significantly than our international peers on the savings some our savings. but some of our financial have cut financial institutions have cut mortgage twice in a mortgage rate offers twice in a single week. our banking sector and our mortgage providers is really sector. i've

really responsive sector. i've got so much to say about this. >> you said about the bad times, alex. we bad times. we alex. we had the bad times. we bailed the taxpayer bailed them out. the taxpayer bailed them out. the taxpayer bailed out. make bailed them out. we'll make a profit no no, know, bailed them out. we'll make a profi no no, know, bailed them out. we'll make a profi appreciate o no, know, bailed them out. we'll make a profi appreciate that. know, bailed them out. we'll make a profi appreciate that. but|ow, but i appreciate that. but there's a give and take here, isn't there? so you can't say, well, need well, in the bad times they need profits to prop them because profits to prop them up because in the taxpayer in the bad times the taxpayer prop up and they're prop them up and now they're screwing if we screwing the taxpayer. so if we look numbers and you've look at the numbers and you've said changes, look at the numbers and you've said at changes, look at the numbers and you've said at this changes, look at the numbers and you've said at this specifically let's look at this specifically . i have savings product with . i have a savings product with lloyds just savings product. lloyds just one savings product. the is 1, the interest rate on that is 1, 1. lloyds pre—tax profits up 46. something very strange is happening, but that is but that's consumer choice, though, because there are savings rates that higher that are higher than 1. >> you should a better >> so you should be a better consumer. look at it. >> so you should be a better conthat's look at it. >> so you should be a better conthat's absolutely ok at it. >> so you should be a better conthat's absolutely true. it. >> so you should be a better conthat's absolutely true. so >> that's absolutely true. so let's look at this average mortgage right now, 6.47% mortgage rate right now, 6.47% average, access, average, easy saver access, which people not high which is most people not high interest whatever, 2.4, interest isa or whatever, 2.4, four, there's a huge four, 5. so there's a huge margin being made there . hsbc margin being made there. hsbc announced . £17 billion profits announced. £17 billion profits for the first six months of this yeah >> so that's in asia. >> so that's in asia. >> so that's in asia. >> so hold on. i didn't say a single word when you spoke, by the we're seeing

the way. so we're seeing massive, being massive, massive profits being made here, a windfall made by banks here, a windfall tax is not to collect money and that's a really important thing here. so this is not like with the north sea oil and gas. this is about making money for is not about making money for government. italian government. what the italian government. what the italian governit'sit government. what the italian governit's not really worked agree, it's not really worked out well, i the out very well, but i think the motive and the intention is very noble. to noble. they're trying to disincentivize by disincentivize profiteering by banks to cream off banks here, trying to cream off a games. a lot of games. >> but windfall tax is exactly >> but a windfall tax is exactly to money. to collect money. >> it's not to >> you're saying it's not to collect exactly collect money? that's exactly what wasn't. was it >> well, it wasn't. it was it was going to collect around ,2 billion, is a of billion, which is a lot of money. game money. but it's not a game changer for any for any treasury. was to treasury. the point was to get a better italians. and better deal for italians. and even foreign secretary over even the foreign secretary over there, said this well. tajani, said this very well. he said, attacking said, we aren't attacking banks. we're families . and i we're protecting families. and i think a beautiful way of think that's a beautiful way of putting mortgages putting it. why are mortgages a good 4% higher than savings rates? it's a really big question. and it's something that jeremy hunt said. jeremy hunt not hunt has said this is not acceptable. even tory acceptable. so even the tory government this is a government is saying this is a problem. how problem. the point is, how do we how address how do we address it? >> italian sector is >> the italian banking sector is one unstable in the one of the most unstable in the whole europe. monte dei

whole of europe. monte dei paschi di siena threatened to drag rest of their drag in the rest of their economy when it was a wobbly. theidea economy when it was a wobbly. the idea the italians can go around taking lumps off of their banks say oh well, it's banks and say it's oh well, it's only ,2 billion when people have proven already less interested in that market than in investing in that market than many as result of many others. as a result of government intervention , i think government intervention, i think is birds. is for the birds. >> well, there's 600 years old that think they know that bank. so i think they know a thing or two about banking. alex were long alex they were around a long time just so time before you and me just so we're think that's a we're clear, you think that's a good we're clear, you think that's a goal don't that's a good bank. >> said the italian. no, >> i said the italian. no, no, i said it's the oldest bank in europe. they have oldest said it's the oldest bank in euro most they have oldest said it's the oldest bank in euromost august have oldest said it's the oldest bank in euromost august banking oldest said it's the oldest bank in euromost august banking inldest said it's the oldest bank in euromost august banking in the it and most august banking in the world and most august banking in the worand it was a terrible bank. >> and it was a terrible bank. >> and it was a terrible bank. >> so was rbs. >> why are you so was rbs. >> why are you so was rbs. >> doesn't mean that all >> that doesn't mean that all british banks are terrible banks. no, of “ie-- >> no, but of course what happened what happened with rbs and what happened with rbs and what happened our happened with natwest, with our 38, think ownership now, which 38, i think ownership now, which i see going i think you can see we're going to make a profit that. to make a profit on that. >> are we? >> but hang on, are we? >> but hang on, are we? >> because thought when we >> because i thought when we last last last saw when we sold our last tranche natwest shares, tranche of natwest shares, i thought we sold offloaded thought we sold we offloaded those like those shares for something like half the value that we paid. >> to look the >> we've got to look at the whole transaction, one whole transaction, not just one penod whole transaction, not just one period time. whole transaction, not just one perwe're time. whole transaction, not just one perwe're doing mean, obviously whole transaction, not just one perwe're asing mean, obviously whole transaction, not just one perwe're as you mean, obviously whole transaction, not just one perwe're as you may|n, obviously whole transaction, not just one perwe're as you may knowyiously

whole transaction, not just one perwe're as you may know ,ously whole transaction, not just one perwe're as you may know , only natwest, as you may know, on gb news, hit a little bump news, natwest hit a little bump in the road of late. >> we have mentioned that, >> we might have mentioned that, but or twice. >> but not notwithstanding that they're just doing a big share buyback. they're their share price is held up remarkably well. in fact, they've had a bit of an uptick this week. the taxpayer will make money on intervention on rbs, natwest . intervention on rbs, natwest. >> can we record him saying that? and in a couple of years, when is it? i think their deadune when is it? i think their deadline exited , fully deadline to be exited, fully exhed deadline to be exited, fully exited is something exited from natwest is something like is 20? it's either 2026 like is it 20? it's either 2026 or 2027. i look forward to returning to gb news and eating my hat or gloating. >> yeah, i want to think you'll only invite me for eating the hat territory, aren't you? yeah. i that. i want to record that. >> downside there, is there? do you share his confidence? there? alex'sj share his confidence? there? alex's confidence, onfidence? there? alex's confidence, byidence? there? alex's confidence, by the ice? >> alex's confidence, by the way, that particular front, way, on that particular front, in of us as taxpayers, in terms of us as taxpayers, generating a healthy profit on our bailouts from the banks, i am not as optimistic is am not as optimistic as alex is . and also over in italy, we just mentioned that 40% tax that they now wobbled on, to put they have now wobbled on, to put it mildly, because the banks said it would have something

like a substantially negative impact on them. well surely they must have known that that was the have a negative the intention to have a negative impact on their profit, wasn't it? then why do politicians it? so then why do politicians change their position? why don't they stand they're they stand by what they're trying to achieve? have some kahunas about them? you get in touch thoughts touch and tell me your thoughts on that. it's getting hot on all of that. it's getting hot in here, isn't it? i was going to sing that, but i can't sing so instead, we'll so i won't. instead, we'll switch the switch and we'll look at the weather . weather. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there. i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. it is briefly warmer temperatures reaching mid to high 20s. plenty of sunny spells , but there will be some rain moving into the far west later on thursday . looking at the on thursday. looking at the bigger picture, a brief spell of warmer into the warmer weather, but into the weekend, this area of low pressure starts to move in, introduces something a little bit fresher, particularly across the and west. so the north and the west. so

looking at the of wednesday, looking at the end of wednesday, still some cloud across western areas, murky around some areas, a bit murky around some coast, plenty of clear coast, but plenty of clear spells taking us the early spells taking us into the early hours in most places, dry, quite a warm night to come, though. temperatures holding up temperatures for most holding up around 16 degrees, perhaps around 15, 16 degrees, perhaps 1 or 2 spots no lower than 17 or 18 celsius for most. thursday morning. a bright start, plenty of sunny spells. there'll be some low cloud that takes its time to lift and break and then the day ahead, looking fine and dry. many, the cloud dry. for many, though, the cloud does to increase across does start to increase across the far west . by the end of the the far west. by the end of the day, perhaps 1 or 2 showers developing over the higher ground wales temperatures ground of wales and temperatures lifting 27 to possibly even lifting 27 to 28, possibly even 29 celsius. we've not seen these numbers for quite some time. so quite a warm feeling day into friday, though. a weak weather front pushes its way east across the country. first thing, introducing then slightly fresher conditions into the afternoon. a mixture of sunny spells and scattered showers. some showers could be some of these showers could be heavy the north—west of heavy towards the north—west of the uk and temperatures still around 25 or 26 towards the

south—east but fresher into the weekend . weekend. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> i should have been listening to that weather because i do actually want to know whether or not is going get sunny, not it is going to get sunny, but instead still carrying but instead i was still carrying on conversation on the conversation with these two i was all two about the banks. i was all distracted i hope the distracted. so i do hope the weather getting better. distracted. so i do hope the weather getting better . and weather is getting better. and mark michelle, what the mark says, michelle, what is the point business they point in a business if they cannot a profit? yes, of cannot make a profit? yes, of course, but the question course, mark, but the question is in times of non endeavour by the bank, if you're creaming it in basically with nothing to do with what you're actually doing but circumstance is outside of your control, should there be a cap on it? stewart says . why cap on it? stewart says. why should this money be going back into the government? i think the plan would be. stewart if you do windfall you would give it windfall tax, you would give it , don't in some kind of , i don't know, in some kind of mortgage or something mortgage relief or something back home owners, joseph back to home owners, joseph says definitely yes. windfall tax to

all of the banks. ian, again , all of the banks. ian, again, you're saying what is the point in this? it'll just fall into the coffers of the inland revenue? the argument would the coffers of the inland reyitnue? the argument would the coffers of the inland reyit would the argument would the coffers of the inland reyit would go 1e argument would the coffers of the inland reyit would go back|ument would the coffers of the inland reyit would go back totent would the coffers of the inland reyit would go back to home ould be it would go back to home owners. mike says no, do not windfall tax. why don't you just encourage them to give excessive profits to the account holders and their savings? well, i think there's , societies there's buildings, societies already handing out already that are handing out some of their profits to their customers now. very important topic i want to address with you in a couple of minutes. social media, do you think it is a scourge on society? i definitely do . if you disagree with me, do. if you disagree with me, tell me why

radio. >> hello there, michelle dewberry till 7:00. pr consultant alex dean alongside me and the founder of novara media, aaron bastani . a few of media, aaron bastani. a few of you saying you are spot on. aaron a couple of people saying, i can't believe it. i'm finding myself agreeing with aaron. what is going on? lots of you

agreeing with alex in terms of compulsory voting. very unhappy with me saying i perhaps wouldn't vote, but i found one. i found a friend, steve, you say i'm with you. jubes not voting is a type of voting and it shows the politicians what a shambles they're making of it. me and you, steve, we can be best friends because one else friends because no one else agrees anyway, i need agrees with us anyway, i need to move next he was move on to my next topic. he was doing of breath ready doing an intake of breath ready ? ready to go. >> of >> be a kind of voting. yeah. it's not, steve. it's obviously not, steve. >> me and you. me and you. we know what we're doing, don't we, steve? talk social steve? right. let's talk social media, shall because media, shall we? because i basically cannot help it. but i actually feel that social media is a monumental scourge on society, right? and it wasn't helped . my view when i saw today helped. my view when i saw today scores of police having to line the streets outside of various retail shops, places such as jd sports, because absolute pillocks have gone online, places like tiktok and all the rest of it encouraging people to come together and take part in organised looting . i really feel

organised looting. i really feel alex, that social media has done more harm to society than good, and none of the social media channels you have mentioned made those people go and do that . those people go and do that. >> it was their own stupidity and desire to do it. that meant they did that . i mean, you can they did that. i mean, you can have a knife and fork, but i don't think you're going to stab me. it's not the knife or the fork that meant stab me if fork that meant you stab me if you stab me, was your own you did stab me, it was your own desire things are desire to. and these things are tools . and actually tools, tools. and actually these tools, i extremely useful. i think are extremely useful. i happen that social happen to think that social media has a remarkable democratising influence on society . i think it's really society. i think it's really good for to able to good for society to be able to express yourself and to be listened to heard. until listened to and heard. until recently, only it may seem recently, the only it may seem strange on a tv strange to say this on a tv channel, only way got channel, the only way people got to communicate to listen was sort broadcasts sort of top down was broadcasts from their masters, from their betters saying you should do this this what we think. this or this is what we think. and was no aside from and there was no real aside from a letter the editor or a letter to the editor or something opportunity to express yourself now society is yourself back. now society is much more peer driven community communication between others and you can find like

you can find people of like mind, including with the most obscure interests that would obscure interests that you would not and not otherwise have found. and were willing to go as deep as they as you like into corner they as you like into any corner of humanities activities. social media has enabled people who would once have sat lonely, not knowing others, as they knowing others, thought as they did, they did, felt as did, cared as they did, felt as they believed as they they did, believed as they did, and with them and and identified with them and find route to socialising. find a new route to socialising. i it's great. i think it's great. >> i think it's a cesspit. aaron, your thoughts? >> i agree with some of the things alex said and i think what's important to note here is that you're not a net native like me, so you can remember the penod like me, so you can remember the period before internet period before the internet and i think we've bit a think we've got a bit of a unique on this. unique perspective on this. i think known think for people who've known nothing grown up nothing else, who've grown up within think it's a bit within it, i think it's a bit different. if you look for at instance, rates depression, instance, rates of depression, anxiety , the cdc united anxiety, the cdc in the united states phenomenal data on states really phenomenal data on this. on this year, this. earlier on this year, 5,007% of teenage girls basically feel depressed, hopeless , listless, sad, up from hopeless, listless, sad, up from 36% ten years ago. that's not tick tock like we're talking here. that's instagram . and i do here. that's instagram. and i do think things like instagram,

what they're doing to the body image of young women in particular, terrifying . and particular, it's terrifying. and i think on smartphones , that's i think on smartphones, that's slightly diverging from plays a massive role in that. it does as well. but think instagram is well. but i think instagram is kind me maybe kind of for me and maybe that shows maybe tiktok's shows my age, maybe tiktok's filling for instagram, but filling in for instagram, but amongst i'm amongst the age cohorts i'm familiar with , it's terrifying. familiar with, it's terrifying. you i see younger kids you know, i see younger kids now, watch films or now, they don't watch films or even shows. they're literally scrolling youtube scrolling through youtube shorts. doing shorts. what that's doing to their attention span, their capacity learn . you know, capacity to learn. you know, we're an entire we're raising an entire generation now think generation now who think addiction is normal. addiction is good . and look, i'm not i'm is good. and look, i'm not i'm not immune from this. right. i also have a little bit of a twitter addiction, as anybody knows who follows so i think knows who follows me. so i think there are very good aspects to all this . but i there are very good aspects to all this. but i also think all of this. but i also think there downsides . there are some big downsides. and i we do need to work and i think we do need to work out norms, different out different norms, different conventions and even start legislating some things. >> most of these objections arose equal force when arose with equal force when television was invented. people are addicted to television, tv, violence is encouraging people

to do things they wouldn't otherwise do. look at these horror films and taking the name of our lord in vain. and satanism is on the rise because of tv and tv encourages, glorifies violence or objectifies people. are objectifies people. these are things mass media have things that all mass media have said , people have said about said, people have said about mass media rather, i suppose the difference is now people are their content creators, much their own content creators, much more, which think is also more, which i think is also quite empowering . and then also quite empowering. and then also their selectors much their content selectors much more. to have more. it's much better to have the we have with the plurality we have with media. is today than have media. it is today than have two, three, four channels dictating all the things that you or enjoy . i would you can absorb or enjoy. i would rather people had the freedom to scroll videos that only scroll through videos that only have sanctioned have 3 or 4 state sanctioned broadcasters , which was the broadcasters, which was the alternative growing alternative when i was growing up so interested about what >> so i'm interested about what you about home. do you think about this at home. do you think about this at home. do you has benefited you think it has benefited society? social media? if i never had to use twitter or anything like that ever again, i would not care one jot. i feel like i have to engage to some degree because of the job that i do and you mentioned that you're

addicted. i i, for example, on twitter or x or whatever it's called. i don't think anyone should be allowed to be anonymous. yes, think there anonymous. yes, i think there should accounts. should be no anonymous accounts. and therefore, can operate and therefore, you can operate the way want so you can the way you want so you can abuse whoever you want if that's your in trade. but your your stock in trade. but you've accountable . you've got to be accountable. you put your name, put your face, and then see how you behave on social media. so perhaps you rid of perhaps if you got rid of anonymity, might it anonymity, i might like it a little bit more. anonymity, i might like it a littiperhapsyre. anonymity, i might like it a littiperhaps people wanted to >> perhaps people who wanted to express outside express views that were outside their lviv their religions concerned lviv perspective or their parents views or the perspective of their employers. you wouldn't want them to have a voice in the media. >> well, there's two different ways you could do that. so, for example, could have an example, you could still have an authorised account. so you have to say who you are. you have to get and verified and get validated and verified and then you can present differently online. so, for example, i don't know, you could identify me as a female called sharon twitter would yes. so twitter, it would know. yes. so twitter, it would know. yes. so twitter, it would account. so would be a verified account. so if were doing anything if you were doing anything illegal, you were doing illegal, if you were doing harassment or whatever that harassment or whatever like that , aware that , they would be aware that i could you accountable and could hold you accountable and that would both boxes .

that would tick both boxes. >> sounds really nice. >> that sounds really nice. i bearin >> that sounds really nice. i bear in that electoral bear in mind that the electoral commission police commission and the police service have service of northern ireland have both lost. both been hacked and lost. consumer data and individuals data quite personal data are quite personal material. when twitter material. this week when twitter is hacked and it reveals the people who've been behind people who've been hiding behind the reassurance you give and their bigots who they their religious bigots who they were trying to avoid , or their were trying to avoid, or their parents who disapprove of their life suddenly learn who life choices, suddenly learn who they are. >> but i bet , i they are. >> but i bet, i bet they are. >> but i bet , i bet the they are. >> but i bet, i bet the amount of people i bet the amount of people social media that people on social media that do what say versus the amount what you say versus the amount of are it of people that are abusing it and it a tool to harass and using it as a tool to harass and using it as a tool to harass and and all the rest of it. >> i bet there's a clear margin. >> i bet there's a clear margin. >> give some >> the trouble is to give some people to some people protection, to give some people protection, you need all people protection, you need all people . people to have protection. >> of speech is >> their freedom of speech is your but can your freedom, but you can say that whatsapp, right? your freedom, but you can say that who tsapp, right? your freedom, but you can say that who are p, right? your freedom, but you can say that who are in right? your freedom, but you can say that who are in that? your freedom, but you can say that who are in that exact >> people who are in that exact category, i agree you. it's category, i agree with you. it's very important point. they're having communications very important point. they're havirpeople communications very important point. they're havirpeople com|thingstions with people saying things that aren't particularly flattering about their faith or their family or their friends or whoever family or their friends or wh like r family or their friends or wh like the idea that anybody, so like the idea that anybody, if it if you write something down, it can i don't think can get hacked. so i don't think that's quite true. i want to just say, as we just quickly say, as well, we use hacked loosely use the word hacked loosely because error.

because often it's user error. >> a sophisticated >> so it's not a sophisticated cyber plot. some idiot cyber plot. it's some idiot that's left this. anyway, i've been times my been told off three times in my ear that i have to go to a break, i'm enjoying break, but i'm enjoying the conversation, wasn't conversation, so i wasn't listening. to listening. but i do need to listen. no, it's listen. sorry, i. no, no, it's interesting want hear interesting. and i want to hear your at home social media, interesting. and i want to hear your if at home social media, interesting. and i want to hear your if you at home social media, interesting. and i want to hear your if you ask)me social media, interesting. and i want to hear your if you ask me, social media, interesting. and i want to hear your if you ask me, iscial media, interesting. and i want to hear your if you ask me, is onemedia, interesting. and i want to hear your if you ask me, is one of dia, that, if you ask me, is one of the reasons that so many people now that they are trans is now say that they are trans is and all of this ideology and all the of it, if you are the rest of it, if you are someone believes someone that believes in biological the realities biological sex and the realities of it and campaign to that of it and you campaign to that ends, are you akin to a racist or a white supremacist

michelle dewberry with you till seven alex dean and aaron bastani is still alongside me now . so adam says michel, i'm now. so adam says michel, i'm not on social media. am i missing out? no adam, you are not. and i bet you are a sight happier for not being on it. do not venture to the dark side. that my advice to you. now, that is my advice to you. now, the deputy westminster the snp deputy westminster leader mhairi black. she has claimed that gender critical

campaign banners are comparable to racist . i campaign banners are comparable to racist. i find this whole nofion to racist. i find this whole notion of gender critical. i don't even like that concept anyway , because to me it's just anyway, because to me it's just people that believe that biological sex is real. you've now daft applied now got this daft label applied to you. but anyway , what do you to you. but anyway, what do you make comments? make of some of her comments? >> alex it's absurd. >> alex it's absurd. >> suppose it's because ms >> and i suppose it's because ms black has said she no longer wishes to face the electorate and standing down as an mp and is standing down as an mp that like sort that she feels like she's sort of the she can say of off the hook and she can say whatever but turns whatever she likes. but it turns out i think whatever she likes is beyond for most is beyond the pale. for most voters and the people. the party she's now , or at least the party she's now, or at least the party for which she's been elected and is longer to be is now no longer going to be elected, thank her elected, will not thank her for this course, it was elected, will not thank her for thiscause course, it was elected, will not thank her for thiscause of course, it was elected, will not thank her for thiscause of tryinngse, it was elected, will not thank her for thiscause of trying to e, it was elected, will not thank her for thiscause of trying to send vas the cause of trying to send a male to a female prison male rapist to a female prison that at heart undid nicola that at its heart undid nicola sturgeon's stand. people said, i believe in scottish nationalism. i believe in supporting you for independence . but there are independence. but there are certain things beyond which i won't send won't go. and trying to send somebody got a penis somebody who's still got a penis to female prison is who's been to a female prison is who's been convicted is one of convicted of rape, is one of them. and suggesting that people

who think there are two genders, two sexes, is not are bigots of some kind or racist. it's not just wrong . it'll alienate just wrong. it'll alienate a good number of the right thinking sensible who good number of the right thinkirotherwise le who good number of the right thinkirotherwise have who good number of the right thinkirotherwise have been nho might otherwise have been willing cross in willing to put their cross in the box . the snp's box. >> think she didn't even >> ron i think she didn't even say they were bigots. she said they supremacists, they were white supremacists, right. say right. it's one thing to say somebody find it somebody is a bigot. i find it interesting strange interesting and strange that this just eliding this kind of just eliding all these and making them. these things and making them. >> i don't think use >> i don't think she did use the word supremacist. word white supremacist. you know , think she strongly , i think she very strongly hinted at that. right. >> well, seen words. hinted at that. right. >> i vell, seen words. hinted at that. right. >> i vell, i seen words. hinted at that. right. >>ivell,i founden words. hinted at that. right. >> i vell, i found that words. hinted at that. right. >>ivell,i found that quite )rds. so i just i found that quite outlandish. find outlandish. i mean, you can find something disagreeable without relating it something which relating it to something which is unrelated . she make is unrelated. she did make some things are things which are incontrovertibly true. money incontrovertibly true. big money coming over from the on this coming over from the us on this agenda. and also i think what she's trying get if i'm she's trying to get at, if i'm being charitable, is that there's amount of there's a certain amount of dehumanising in this debate from a by the way . a number of sides. by the way. but substantial point but on the substantial point being made, i don't agree with her. no. >> she goes on to say things like, if you're not educating yourself into things, then you can't complain. when people from a minority not a minority say you're not

treating right. on treating us right. she goes on to that's exactly what's to say, that's exactly what's happening with the trans community. this community. but i reject this nofion community. but i reject this notion just have notion that if you just have this say it's this view, i would say it's quite that quite a normal minded view that you biological sex. you believe in biological sex. this that you've this whole notion that you've just re—educate yourself just got to re—educate yourself and re—educate yourself and keep going, yourself until going, educating yourself until you point view, you reach that point of view, that's is for the birds, if you ask listen there's lot ask me. listen there's a lot of doom gloom this world. so ask me. listen there's a lot of ddon gloom this world. so ask me. listen there's a lot of ddo just gloom this world. so ask me. listen there's a lot of ddo just wantom this world. so ask me. listen there's a lot of ddo just want to this world. so ask me. listen there's a lot of ddo just want to very1is world. so ask me. listen there's a lot of ddo just want to very quickly, . so i do just want to very quickly, before the show, before the end of the show, i want to just highlight something that cockles that really warmed my cockles today this little boy today. so it did this little boy a little eight old boy that a little eight year old boy that many might be familiar many of us might be familiar with . he had have both of his with. he had to have both of his legs amputated when he was abused by his parents as a little baby. tony hudgell is a little baby. tony hudgell is a little boy that i referenced while he oh, i've got goosebumps on my arms. he's walked to the summit of a lake district mountain . he's raised more than mountain. he's raised more than £35,000 for charity . his target, £35,000 for charity. his target, bless him, is original target. it was only £500. and i just want to bring this story up because i think that we exist in

a society where everyone wants to be a victim and everyone feels badly done to and woe is me and this little boy, aaron, every time i see him, he just it makes me just swell with pride. i don't even know him. and i find it so inspirational. he's lost his legs and he's going up mountains and all the rest of it. it's so nice. >> it's wonderful. it's great. it's sort of allegory as it's a great sort of allegory as well, mean, anything's well, right? i mean, anything's possible. his life is a is a miracle. god bless him. >> yeah, indeed. and if you wanted support him, the qr wanted to support him, the qr code is available on the screen. >> . >> oh, yes. >> oh, yes. >> there you go. you should get a at gb because i got a job at gb news because i got so that i forgot to so into him that i forgot to tell that if you are tell you that if indeed you are like and you are inspired by like me and you are inspired by him, can donate to his him, you can donate to his thing. and i think every it feels like every week, every month these days we hear these awful about these awful stories about these absolute that absolute disgusting animals that abuse their own children and to see little tony there doing well, honestly, it does it warms my heart. lots of you divided on some of the topics that we've

been discussing tonight, which is exactly the way that i like it, because the world would be very, very boring , wouldn't it, very, very boring, wouldn't it, if we all agreed on absolutely everything. like the confusion everything. i like the confusion that people find themselves in when themselves when they find themselves agreeing you . aaron. i do. agreeing with you. aaron. i do. it makes me laugh. and adele, we were makers were talking about tool makers and not starmer, and whether or not keir starmer, his dad, was a tool maker, and adele says he definitely was a tool maker . after all, made tool maker. after all, he made the biggest tool that there is. i'll leave you to ponder what she means . i'll leave you to ponder what she means. but for now, i'll leave you to ponder what she means . but for now, look, she means. but for now, look, that's all i've got. time for. aaron. alex, thank you. thank you for your company. thank you very much for yours to very much at home for yours to do not go anywhere. if you're sitting there, you're thinking, shall now ? know what shall i go out now? know what you're doing. nigel farage is up next. want miss next. you don't want to miss that. night and that. so have a good night and i will tomorrow night . will see you tomorrow night. >> the temperature's rising . >> the temperature's rising. boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there. and greg dewhurst . and welcome to your dewhurst. and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast.

it is briefly warmer temperatures reaching mid to high 20s. plenty of sunny spells , but there will be some rain moving into the far west later on thursday. looking at the bigger picture, a brief spell of warmer into the warmer weather, but into the weekend, area of low weekend, this area of low pressure starts to move in, introduces something a little bit fresher, particularly across the north and the west. so looking end of wednesday, looking at the end of wednesday, still some cloud across western areas, murky around some areas, a bit murky around some coastal plenty clear coastal, but plenty of clear spells taking us into the early hours. and places dry. hours. and most places dry. quite a warm night to come, though. temperatures most though. temperatures for most holding 15, 16 holding up around 15, 16 degrees, perhaps 1 or 2 spots. no lower than 17 or 18 celsius for most. thursday mornings. a bright start, plenty of sunny spells. there will be some low cloud that takes its time to lift break and then the day lift and break and then the day ahead, fine dry . for ahead, looking fine and dry. for many, the cloud does many, though, the cloud does start increase across the far start to increase across the far west . by the end of the day, west. by the end of the day, perhaps 1 or 2 showers developing over the higher ground and temperatures ground of wales and temperatures lifting 28, possibly even 29 lifting 27, 28, possibly even 29 celsius. we've not seen these

numbers for quite some time. so quite a warm feeling day into friday, though. a weak weather front pushes its way east across the country. first thing introducing then slightly fresher conditions into the afternoon, a mixture of sunny spells and scattered showers. some these showers could be some of these showers could be heavy north—west of heavy towards the north—west of the uk and temperatures still around 25 or 26 towards the south—east, but fresher into the weekend . weekend. >> the temperatures rising , boxt >> the temperatures rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on gb news

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who you close down, but we'll debate tonight whether they're actually purpose . the actually fit for purpose. the labour party have got a five point migrant plan . they're point migrant plan. they're going to stop any migrants being in hotels. we'll try and find out whether that really is going to work. and a huge cyber attack on the electoral commission in pretty much the data of every single one of us has been hacked . we ask in an age where we're moving more and more towards digital database , what could digital database, what could this mean if we had digital money? but before all of that, let's get the news with ray addison . thanks, nigel. addison. thanks, nigel. >> good evening . here's the >> good evening. here's the latest on our top story. >> good evening. here's the latest on our top story . the latest on our top story. the chair of the police federation for northern ireland says urgent answers are required after details emerged of two significant data breaches . significant data breaches. police in northern ireland say the names of more than 200 serving officers and staff were stolen from a private vehicle on july 6th, along with a police