talking about over. we're now talking about something very, very serious, which divisive corrosive something very, very serious, whi society. lisive corrosive something very, very serious, whisociety. ande corrosive something very, very serious, whisociety. and i corrosive something very, very serious, whisociety. and i think»rrosive something very, very serious, whisociety. and i think we ;ive something very, very serious, whisociety. and i think we need for society. and i think we need to put a marker down to actually put a marker down here and now. >> but before all of that, it's the latest news headlines as . the latest news headlines as. very good evening to you. >> it is 7:00. i'm aaron armstrong in the newsroom. the six people who died after their boat got into difficulties in the channel this morning were all men. that is all afghan men. that is according to french prosecutors who've said the majority of the migrants on board, including some children, were from afghanistan , along with several afghanistan, along with several from sudan . a criminal inquiry from sudan. a criminal inquiry has been opened in france as the rnli and the french coastguard rescued more than 50 people from the vessel , rescued more than 50 people from the vessel, some of whom were taken to dover . the vessel, some of whom were taken to dover. around 200 police officers and staff in northern ireland were not informed . claimed that a laptop informed. claimed that a laptop and documents containing their names had been stolen for almost a month. the theft from a car in early july emerged last week

after the names of 10,000 police employees were published online in a separate data breach on tuesday , a group set up to tuesday, a group set up to assess the risk to officers caused by the breach has had more than 600 referrals. chief constable simon byrne says he is deeply sorry and the service is working hard to stop third parties from attempting to cause harm to serving officers. the king says he's utterly horrified to hear at least 80 people have died as a result of wildfires in hawaii. king charles sent a message of condolence to the president of the united states, saying he's sending his deepest sympathies to the families of those who've tragically lost their lives . authorities say their lives. authorities say that number of 80 is set to rise dramatically with hundreds of people still unaccounted for. fresh evacuations are underway as far as continued to burn on the northwest coast of maui. and questions are being asked about whether residents were warned quickly enough. hawaii's attorney general has opened a

comprehensive review into how authorities responded to the fires . the authorities responded to the fires. the duke of authorities responded to the fires . the duke of sussex has fires. the duke of sussex has played a polo match, raising money for hiv sufferers in honour of his late mother. it was also in aid of his charity , was also in aid of his charity, sentebale, which he co—founded to help african children affected by inequality. poverty and hiv aids. prince harry played against singapore polo club, captained by the charity's ambassador and his friend nacho figueras . princess diana figueras. princess diana pioneered efforts to challenge the stigma around the disease . the stigma around the disease. back in the 1980s, england have beaten colombia 2—1 to reach the semi—finals of the women's world cup. goals from lauren hemp and alessia russo helped the lionesses come from behind after colombia took the lead. they'll now face the co—hosts australia . on the 16th of august and fragments of meteors that could be as small as a grain of sand travelling at 130,000mph will light up the sky tonight. the annual summer meteor shower has

been active since july and will continue until the 24th of this month. but it's thought to reach its peak tonight . the royal its peak tonight. the royal observatory of greenwich is recommending watching between midnight and 5:30 am. when light pollution is at its lowest . this is gb news on tv, on digital radio, and on your smart. speaker two now that's it for me . now it's over to you. for me. now it's over to you. the next program . the next program. the next program. the inns of court have historical and national significance that cannot really be overstated , but is often be overstated, but is often overlooked . overlooked. >> they've taught the common law to generation upon generation of engush to generation upon generation of english barristers for hundreds

of years. link inns in has been doing so since the 1400s. in fact, john fortescue, arguably one of the greatest political thinkers of the 15th century, was governor of lincoln's inn. not once but three times. these institutions , inns have a duty institutions, inns have a duty to justice, of course, but they also have another duty too , as also have another duty too, as the privileged custodians of an historical inheritance that they hold in trust on behalf of the rest of us. unfortunately, many of those in positions of authority throughout our institution inns, they seem to think that they own the place . think that they own the place. thatis think that they own the place. that is why the decisions taken by institutions inns like lincoln's inn are our business. this week it has been reported that lincoln's inn have decided to abandon the explicitly christian wording of grace before meals to make it more, quote, inclusive . the right quote, inclusive. the right honourable sir geoffrey vos, master of the rolls and treasurer of the inn, said it's

a priority to continue to enhance the relevance of the inn to all our members and build an increasingly inclusive environment. this will involve taking the time to correct outdated stereotypes, hate is a strong word, i know, but what i hate that tyrannic people controlling little word relevance as if hundreds of years of tradition that shaped and formed your institution with its own hands is should be bossed about by something as whimsical and transient as one little cabal's idea of relevance . grace is outdated . so now . grace is outdated. so now they're going to give thanks . they're going to give thanks. instead. this is the original lord god heavenly father, bless us. and these thy gifts which we receive from thy bountiful goodness through jesus christ our lord. amen now they will say in this moment of silence, let us give thanks for all that we are about to receive. and for the company of this honourable society, this is asinine,

ungrateful rubbish . there will ungrateful rubbish. there will be some people who think that i'm overreacting of course, but the reality is that this is a christian country that has a distinct early christian history . every fibre of its being of our being, whether you're christian or not, has been shaped by its theology. culture values, ethics and worldview too, including the common law itself. erasing christian elements from our institutions in the name of relevance and inclusivity is illiterate. they are wrong to think that upholding the traditions of our institutions are incompatible with being welcoming. it shows how little they understand the culture and traditions that they're attacking . the culture they're attacking. the culture and traditions that gave birth to the free societies and liberties that we enjoy today. i know i sound like a broken record, but those in positions of authority in our institution , ins, are taking an axe to whatever they like. but these things are not theirs to destroy

all men. look took too lightly and all that they loved. too late . those are the immortal late. those are the immortal words of g.k. late. those are the immortal words of gk. chesterton. these things belong to england, not just to her history, but to her future here as well. they belong to you, to us, to you at home, wherever you come from. g.k. wherever you come from. gk. chesterton put it best when he said , tradition means giving said, tradition means giving a vote to the most obscure of all classes. our ancestors . it is classes. our ancestors. it is the democracy of the dead. tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who who merely happen to be walking about all democrats object to men being disqualified by the accident of their birth . tradition objects their birth. tradition objects to their being disqualified by the accident of their death . the accident of their death. democracy tells us to not neglect a good man's opinion, even if he is our groom.

tradition often asks us not to neglect a good man's opinion, even if he is our father. i think that by rejecting their traditions lincoln, lincoln's inn are inflicting an injustice . but what do you think. in the news this week , curators in the news this week, curators of the world's most extensive collection of tudor objects, the mary rose museum , have been mary rose museum, have been heavily criticised . they've been heavily criticised. they've been ascribing questionable lgbt origins or questionable lgbt origins or questionable lgbt origins to objects found on henry vii's famous ship, or, as they put it, using queerness as an interpretive tool . for an interpretive tool. for example, the museum website argues that a mirror found on the ship can relate to queer people as they may experience gender dysphoria or euphoria when looking into it, and a collection of combs is linked to gender identity because of the

norm that women have long hair and men have short hair, these interpretations are , to put it interpretations are, to put it charitably, hugely speculative, forcing the present onto the past and distorting it into a fiction that led me to wonder is it unethical for museum curators to rewrite the past .7 and that is to rewrite the past.7 and that is the subject of tonight's dual . the subject of tonight's dual. joining me tonight is the broadcaster ralph rafe heydel—mankoo and the former mp stephen pound. two of my favourite people . how lucky am favourite people. how lucky am i? ralph and stephen, thank you so much forjoining us here today. how lucky are we actually ? so stephen, kick us off. do you think that this is not just wrong but unethical? yeah, well , i think this is profoundly wrong. >> and i think we've actually reached stage now where we reached a stage now where we simply say this far and simply have to say this far and no further. i think we are actually is asinine. is actually this is asinine. it is pure also inchoate. it pure art. it's also inchoate. it makes whatsoever. look,

makes no sense whatsoever. look, let's of things let's get a couple of things straight. actually found straight. they've actually found a well, have to say, a mirror. well, i have to say, that doesn't necessarily that doesn't mean necessarily that doesn't mean necessarily that the place is full of gay men the mirror. men preening in the mirror. there's of women on board. there's a lot of women on board. henrikki and warships. you know the you the expression, show a leg. you know that comes from? i know where that comes from? i don't. well because women would be hammock with a sailor be in the hammock with a sailor overnight the morning overnight and in the morning when hands when you piped all hands on deck, they say, show a deck, they used to say, show a leg to see if was a man or a leg to see if it was a man or a woman in the hammock or sometimes see, that would have been an interesting bit of history include. been an interesting bit of histwell, include. been an interesting bit of histwell, would 1clude. been an interesting bit of histwell, would belde. >> well, that would be interesting. but the other thing is men having hair. is about men having long hair. >> sailors, right up >> henrik and sailors, right up until male nelsonian times until the male nelsonian times had the reason had very long hair. the reason that that collar, that that we were that collar, that nelson collar was to keep the tar, tallow off our tar, the tallow off our uniforms. this patty. i uniforms. and this patty. i mean, not in day. actually, mean, not in my day. actually, i have say. know, have to say. but, you know, ancestors used to do that. so. but look, what's ridiculous about this is this is about about this is this this is about trying identify and find trying to identify and find queerness. put queerness. and i think you put it earlier on when it beautifully earlier on when you about people in you talked about people in detached if detached from reality. if you can afford live up in the top

can afford to live up in the top of the hill, it doesn't mean you occupy the moral ground. occupy the moral high ground. and are actually and these people are actually twisting tying twisting themselves and tying themselves to themselves into knots to desperately try to justify their own and their own prejudices and their own failings, their own academic incompetence. them incompetence. i don't mind them doing they do that in doing that. they can do that in any dinner party in dartmouth park care. but park for all they care. but i object what they're doing to object to what they're doing to our our people, to our country, to our people, to our country, to our people, to our and to our our culture, and to our standards, and actually making us look as we are somehow us look as though we are somehow guilty not identifying gay guilty for not identifying gay sailors rose. well sailors on the mary rose. well i'll to grave defending i'll go to my grave defending the men to be gay the right of gay men to be gay men. women be gay women. men. gay women to be gay women. but not going to say if but i'm not going to say if there's a mirror there that equals, you know, thirds of equals, you know, two thirds of the crew were of that persuasion. >> rafe, they are reading into this, aren't there is this, aren't they? so there is surely they could surely a history that they could have actually highlighted, but this something that they are this is something that they are they are reading into it that they are reading into it that they imposing on the past. they are imposing on the past. but say that the but they would say that the reason they're doing this is reason why they're doing this is for inclusivity so that people can themselves the can see themselves in the collection. do you think that collection. in do you think that people to see people should need to see themselves collection? no themselves in the collection? no >> it's clear that >> i mean, it's quite clear that i be very open and happy

i would be very open and happy to see exhibition about the to see an exhibition about the history of homosexuality, whether james, whether it be, you know, james, the favourites or the first or all favourites or the first or all favourites or the houses of the the molly houses of the 17th century in london. and you know, the of polari, because the history of polari, because that's history what we're that's real history what we're talking fantasy talking about here is fantasy history. the very history. you know, the very nofion history. you know, the very notion queerness a 20th notion of queerness is a 20th century creation in a queerness is a very political term . it's is a very political term. it's loaded, advancement of an loaded, is the advancement of an ideology and of an activism, which is different to just which is very different to just being gay so one of the being gay. so that's one of the key i have here. on key issues i have here. but on its own, is a very silly its own, this is a very silly story, i would say. but taken more broadly, this is very sinister. this is the attempt to subvert to advance subvert reality, to advance a political agenda and i think we have to actually call a spade a spade here. britain is a post revolutionary society now, we may not have red flags flying from the tops of our grand buildings, but the people who inhabh buildings, but the people who inhabit buildings run inhabit those buildings and run them are cuckoos in the nest who bear no resemblance the bear no resemblance to the generations built them and generations who built them and ran . and museums are ran them. and our museums are actually at the core centre actually at the core and centre of this. the biggest cuckoos actually at the core and centre of tactually the biggest cuckoos actually at the core and centre of tactually museumzst cuckoos actually at the core and centre of tactually museum curators os actually at the core and centre

of tactually museum curators and are actually museum curators and librarians. when we were growing up, librarians and museum curators were shy, introverted, meek people . they're now the meek people. they're now the stormtroopers of woke ideology and the problem here, of course, is that children today get so little history at school, all they know about the tudors , they they know about the tudors, they know about the and windrush beyond that, they don't get anything. so it's museums that provide main educational provide the main educational service . it's not just for the service. it's not just for the young, also for the adults. young, but also for the adults. and british adults ignorant and british adults are ignorant of instead of of history too. but instead of providing the accurate and balanced they be balanced history, they should be giving are reinforcing giving and they are reinforcing the indoctrination lesson that children getting school . children are getting at school. >> do think that's the >> do you think that's the problem, that problem, stephen, that that we don't have resilience don't even have the resilience in the population in terms of historical literacy to be able to recognise lies when we see them. so it's the same with lincoln's in that there's a kind of illiteracy there. no of illiteracy there. there's no understanding of why these things are important and why from a christian perspective, i know you're also a christian. why honesty matters is i think that one thing christianity

teaches you is self—examination and one thing is because we live our lives in imitation of christ, hopefully. >> but we also need to examine our own motivations and our own urges and our own motivations . urges and our own motivations. and i think that lincoln's inn and not forget, talked and let's not forget, you talked about i think only about fortescue and i think only on can have on gb news can we have a discussion sirjohn discussion about sir john fortescue. i'd also mention fortescue. but i'd also mention saint thomas more who was also at lincoln's who actually at lincoln's inn who actually died faith to died for his faith and died to preserve the independence of the judiciary. we don't judiciary. i think that we don't have that strength anymore have that that strength anymore and we've allowed those with the loudest voices to dominate too much. and because , you know, you much. and because, you know, you can shout louder, it doesn't mean that you can actually express yourself better. wish express yourself better. i wish we had more confidence. as we had more confidence. but as for the shy librarian, i can think the think of probably one of the greatest of the last greatest poets of the last century a shy librarian in century was a shy librarian in hull, most larkin. it hull, who spent most larkin. it was certainly not a quiet librarian . librarian. >> brief final thoughts? ray no , i agree. >> but i think we have to wake up to the fact that what's happening here is systemic across all of our institutions, and we need to have muscular

and we need to have a muscular defence western civilisation defence of western civilisation an defend us from the enemies an to defend us from the enemies within, but also from without. of because we very of course, because we have very strong aggressors and strong aggressors in china and russia elsewhere. and its russia and elsewhere. and its only strength that defeats strength. >> thank you both for a very intelligent disagreement . intelligent disagreement. >> i'm sorry, or we're not really and really disagreement and intelligent will intelligent disagreement. i will try to find something to argue about with you. >> so very much. both >> thank you so very much. both of you. >> for moderator emma . >> for moderator emma. >> for moderator emma. >> now, earlier this week . >> now, earlier this week. police force diffet ended creating a meme on social media, telling the public that a criminal had been sent to prison. lancashire police posted a how it started versus how it's going. meme using two photographs of a criminal who had recently been convicted alongside 14 other men. so i'm asking x formally known as twitter should the police make social media memes? answer. no, they should stick to their job or yes, it's only a bit of fun. there's still about ten minutes to go when you can vote and then

we'll take a look at the results later in the show. plenty more to come on my common sense crusade. next, we'll be joined by journalist and author tim stanley to discuss whether christianity could be the remedy to toxic gender ideology

something you're listening to gb news radio . news radio. >> welcome back to the common science crusade with me, emma webb. you might have seen an article this week by tim stanley under the headline new atheists allowed the trans cult to begin christianity can now end it. prominent heroes of the new atheist movement are now finding themselves standing shoulder to shoulder with those that they once criticised in defence of biological gender. but did they contribute to the problem by toppling christianity ? tim says, toppling christianity? tim says, and this is a quote, it's the consequence of tearing up the old maps by which we once lived,

inviting us to plot our own chaotic routes to nowhere. well i am delighted to say that we are joined now down the line by tim stanley . thank you, are joined now down the line by tim stanley. thank you, tim, so much for joining tim stanley. thank you, tim, so much forjoining us tonight. so much for joining us tonight. so first off, can you tell us a bit more about your view on why we should pin the blame on the new atheist movement for this ? atheist movement for this? >> i'm not blaming the new atheist movement exclusively , atheist movement exclusively, but new atheism was a movement that emerged about 15 years ago that emerged about 15 years ago that took atheism to a new evangelical level. it was hyper rationalist and it sold the idea to many people that there was really nothing sane about religion, that if you just accept some of the most basic premises of religion, then you're immediately sucked into a world of madness and fundamentalism . and world of madness and fundamentalism .and i world of madness and fundamentalism . and i think this fundamentalism. and i think this had a big impact upon a generation of young people. my generation of young people. my generation , i know lot of generation, i know a lot of people who agreed with new atheism drawn into it . and atheism were drawn into it. and what that that what happened was that that meant that it tore up many of

the traditional teachings that they might been raised in they might have been raised in made sceptical of made them very sceptical of them, are attitudes them, among which are attitudes towards gender like it's all dnven towards gender like it's all driven by biology. the idea of god creating man and woman that their design bequeaths them a purpose and things like that . so purpose and things like that. so you have a generation who tore up those old maps, as i said, and we're now invited to plot a new one, which sounds very exciting. and was liberating. exciting. and it was liberating. but with atheism is but the problem with atheism is that only ever takes that atheism only ever takes something away. it doesn't replace . it doesn't replace the replace. it doesn't replace the belief that came before with a new belief structure . and if you new belief structure. and if you look at the new atheist movement, significant number, movement, a significant number, possibly a majority , went on to possibly a majority, went on to become very left wing and very woke. and that actually makes perfect sense because if there's no god up there, you tend to become rather more introspective . you focus upon yourself instead. and i think that a generation who had shrugged off those old ideas about how life is governed by biology or by god or by old books tended to become a little more introspective. and

i think that made them prey to new questions about gender, which i think have had a huge impact upon our culture. >> do you think that this is sort of fundamentally a rationalist problem? so even though richard dawkins is now arguing in favour of biology , as arguing in favour of biology, as i said, shoulder to shoulder with the people that he wants criticised, he was recently filmed in an interview talking about trans ideology in terms of transubstantiation. so do you think that christianity is really the missing element here that the thing that can make sense of both the problem that we face but also can offer the solution is fundamentally christianity ? dodi yeah , i don't christianity? dodi yeah, i don't want to go down this cul de sac, but his compatriot of trans and transubstantiation really exposes a basic problem with the new atheists, which is they never bothered to understand religion and they didn't look in particular at its relationship with science. >> they had idea in their >> they had this idea in their head that you have choice of head that you have a choice of faith science . the reality is

faith or science. the reality is very different over 2000 years, just take the western case, just to take the western case, christianity has yes , sometimes christianity has yes, sometimes pushed against science . pushed back against science. it's also engaged with science andifs it's also engaged with science and it's been changed by science. most mainstream science. so in most mainstream christian denominations today, for accept some form of for example, accept some form of evolution a proven fact. so evolution as a proven fact. so they misunderstood the nature of science. and by doing that , they science. and by doing that, they conjured a tension between religion and science, which not only wasn't there, but denied only wasn't there, but it denied them ally , a useful ally, them an ally, a useful ally, because one thing that richard dawkins is now finding is that what he has in common with christian us is we take biology seriously . we christians would seriously. we christians would say that biology was say obviously that biology was shaped either way shaped by god, but either way they say being a man or they would say being a man or a woman is a physical reality, see? and it shapes the person . see? and it shapes the person. and that's what science says as well about genetics, that when it comes to being male or female, your sex is encoded in your genes. they would say it's the product of thousands of years evolution. christians years of evolution. christians might do might say it's something to do with of god. whatever with the breath of god. whatever the is, they take it

the point is, they take it seriously. where the seriously. where as the postmodernists, the very left wing ultra liberal, wing people, the ultra liberal, the woke, they believe in a kind of dualism, tension between of dualism, a tension between mind body, says mind and body, which says that ultimately mind , how i feel ultimately my mind, how i feel is more important than the material physical reality around me. in fact, i can change that reality with surgery. that's a reality with surgery. that's a real philosophical difference between wokeism on one hand and actually richard dawkins style. atheists and christians on the other hand, we take biology very seriously . seriously. >> now, very briefly, tim, before we go to my panel, some people would say that kristin can't offer a solution because christianity is particularly in this country, is facing a general decline in. do you think that christianity still has something to offer to us as a society in terms of a solution to this? despite that general decline ? decline? >> i don't know if it's got something to offer to us as a society because i think we're unwilling to engage with it on a cultural level . although a lot cultural level. although a lot of politicians are religious ,

of politicians are religious, i'd say that proportionally parliament is more religious than the rest of the country. i think they're very frightened of approaching religion. they think it off and i think it puts people off and i think britain has sadly turned a cultural corner whereby it's very difficult to imagine it having some kind of grand religious reawakening. but i would say on an individual by individual basis, i believe christianity to be true. but i also think it's useful. i think it's useful because it's true. these this thing is circular, but nonetheless , i think it has. but nonetheless, i think it has. i don't want to say pat answers because that gives the impression that you sign up to something. you read a book and suddenly you're transformed. it's not like that, go it's not like that, but to go back language use at back to the language you use at the of this segment the beginning of this segment about maps, it offers you a map through it says, here's through life. it says, here's what are created here's what you are created for. here's the here's the the purpose, here's the relationship you're trying to build with other build with god and with other people. here's a whole people. and here's a whole ethical that with it. ethical code that goes with it. and 2000 years of magnificent culture you to play around culture for you to play around in. so in a society which has shrugged so much off and which has got big void at the centre

has got a big void at the centre of christianity help of it, christianity can help fill void. fill that void. >> thank you so much, tim. i'm afraid going to to cut afraid i'm going to have to cut you there and bring in my you off there and bring in my panel ralph, what do you panel now. ralph, what do you think this? think that think of this? do you think that christianity, despite the general offer solution? >> well, we have to define which version of christianity we're talking about. >> it anglicanism? is it >> is it anglicanism? is it catholicism? if it's anglicanism, the anglicanism, is it the anglicanism, is it the anglicanism welby or anglicanism of justin welby or of african bishops? of the african bishops? is justin you is justin welby has you know, is the grand of woke his the grand poobah of woke his quote, christianity. the grand poobah of woke his qucis, christianity. the grand poobah of woke his qucis, cthetianity. the grand poobah of woke his qucis, (the catholic? >> is it the catholic? >> is it the catholic? >> yeah. is it catholicism >> yeah. is it the catholicism of francis or of pope of pope francis or of pope benedict? mean, we to benedict? i mean, we need to define what talking about define what we're talking about there. think it's too there. i think it's a bit too much to say that the new atheists to blame a lot atheists are to blame for a lot of this. the void existed long before the new atheists arose. the new atheists used that void before the new atheists arose. th echov atheists used that void before the new atheists arose. th echo theireists used that void before the new atheists arose. th echo theireists ivoices. at void to echo their own voices. i think if you are going to bring down woke, it needs to be a multi pronged attack from secularists, from religious, secularists, from all religious, from left and from the traditional left and the high tory right. everyone needs down, just needs to bring it down, just like great democracies and like the great democracies and communists second communists allied in the second world what do you think? world war. what do you think? >> think it was on dover

>> well, i think it was on dover beach was written, what, about 150 years ago. and it talked about the slow, melancholic, withdrawing and withdrawing roar. and it's obviously analogy as a christianity moving from europe. but think what annoys me about but i think what annoys me about richard dawkins, suppose , to richard dawkins, i suppose, to be at a conference with him once, couldn't see him, once, but as i couldn't see him, i believe he was there. i didn't believe he was there. but is that there's but the problem is that there's a of humility amongst a lack of humility amongst atheists there's inherent atheists and there's an inherent arrogance idea that arrogance because the idea that we supreme we are supreme beings individually, think individually, i think is profoundly wrong, theologically nonsensical, and biologically ridiculous. you have to have the humility to recognise that there is and a higher force. is a greater and a higher force. and that's what makes us and i think that's what makes us christians perhaps christians or believers. perhaps we even use that expression we can even use that expression because i understand the because i can understand the fissiparous the fissiparous nature of the various groups. but various religious groups. but i think the issue of ideology is one that we probably don't have the 6.5 hours to even scratch the 6.5 hours to even scratch the surface of. but what we can at least agree is that there is an urgent every single society since the dawn of time to actually look towards a higher force, towards greater power, force, towards a greater power, whether we call it religion or theology philosophy theology or philosophy or whatever, there

whatever, it's always been there . it's inherent within us. and that anywhere. that ain't going anywhere. >> ain't anywhere. >> that ain't going anywhere. that's final thought that's that's the final thought there stephen pound. thank there from stephen pound. thank you much, tim stanley, for you so much, tim stanley, for joining us. also thank you joining us. and also thank you very to for your very much to my panel for your comments. plenty to come on comments. plenty more to come on my common crusade. next, my common sense crusade. next, we'll former we'll be joined by the former cop turned campaigner, harry miller after disastrous miller. after another disastrous week for the police's pr firm . week for the police's pr firm. first, though, it's the weather i >> -- >>a >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> hello , i'm marco petagna. >> hello, i'm marco petagna. here's your latest weather update from the met office. we'll see a mixed bag of weather across the uk over the next few days. there'll be some sunshine, but some rain too. but things will turning warmer will be turning warmer certainly towards of the towards the middle part of the coming low pressure is coming week. low pressure is anchored towards the north—west of uk the moment. that's of the uk at the moment. that's feeding fair few showers in on feeding a fair few showers in on the breeze. and the south westerly breeze. and we to keep on this we need to keep an eye on this little feature running in from we need to keep an eye on this littlsouthwestunning in from we need to keep an eye on this littlsouthwest that'll in from we need to keep an eye on this littlsouthwest that'll bring m we need to keep an eye on this littlsouthwest that'll bring some the southwest that'll bring some more night into more rain on sunday night into monday. to tonight, though.

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radio. >> welcome back to the common sense crusade with me, emma webb. i am sure that you have seen the video of an autistic teenager being dragged screaming from her house after commenting that a female officer looked like her lesbian nana in case you missed it, here is a clip of that distressing video this is it. >> gone right over there. >> gone right over there. >> she's autistic. >> she's autistic. >> she's autistic. >> she don't like people touching her. she will have meltdown. >> the police officers who arrested the girl have been accused of a callous overreaction. the girl's mother has explained that her daughter was having panic attacks from being touched by them and that they continued to manhandle her. she has also denied that the

comment was homophobic, but they're not the only force kicking up a scandal. this week, the lancashire police department has received criticism for a meme that they created on on a social media post. lancashire police's account tweeted two pictures. the first holding of the of the criminal holding a large amount of cash and the second of his mugshot . the second of his mugshot. the caption read how it started , how caption read how it started, how it's going, which is a popular meme format usually illustrating a fall from grace with a seemingly endless string of controversies and a record record high of 95% of crimes going unsolved . i actually going unsolved. i actually couldn't believe that when i saw the statistic autistic. is it time to ask, are the police out of control? let's put that question to former officer turned campaigner from the organisation. we are fair cop harry miller. thank you so much for joining us, harry. so forjoining us, harry. so firstly, harry, i want i want to

firstly, harry, i want i want to first ask you, harry, about that. me when i first saw that, i couldn't really believe that they'd done it. i thought it was so inappropriate. what do you think was going through their minds? >> i, i don't think anything is going their minds. the going through their minds. the social accounts of police social media accounts of police forces run seven forces are being run by seven year olds. quite obvious year olds. it's quite obvious they the law wrong. they use they get the law wrong. they use childish they don't childish memes. they don't respond if you challenge them , respond if you challenge them, they either answer back sharply or they have a strop and run away and won't talk to you. the entire social media output of most of britain's police forces need shutting down and starting again. what the police need to do if they're going to use social media and of course, they should use social media, is engage properly as adults with the public. they shouldn't be resorting to this lowest common denominator later. resorting to this lowest common denominator later . absolute denominator later. absolute trash that we're seeing on a daily basis . this would get rid daily basis. this would get rid of the children and get the adults back in the room. >> now, i know that you also have some very strong views on

the arrest of this young autistic teenager. the arrest of this young autistic teenager . you mentioned autistic teenager. you mentioned before in previous interviews and online, you said that it's not possible to commit a public order offence in your own home. and now, of course, the police have released her without charge . what do you think the problem is here? is this a problem of police training that they don't understand law, that they understand the law, that they don't how behave don't know to how behave professionally ? professionally? >> those things . but in >> all of those things. but in britain , ignorance of the law is britain, ignorance of the law is no excuse , as you can call this. no excuse, as you can call this. what we watched yesterday as as police overreach. i don't think it is overreach at all. i think what we witnessed was a criminal act. i think what we witnessed was a kidnapping. act. i think what we witnessed was a kidnapping . and i will was a kidnapping. and i will tell you why. emma, there are four points to a kidnapping . four points to a kidnapping. first of all, it's the it's the taking of one person by another . secondly, it involves force . . secondly, it involves force. thirdly, it has to be against the person's will. and fourthly, it has to be done without lawful excuse . now, the simple fact is excuse. now, the simple fact is what the police did this week

fits that criteria and it's no good.the fits that criteria and it's no good. the west yorkshire police saying lessons have been learned . et cetera. no, the general general, members of the public can't get away with that excuse. if you fulfil the criteria for a kidnap, you should be arrested and charged with kidnap. and that's what needs to happen with these officers . they need to be these officers. they need to be charged for a criminal offence. >> so i've got a statement here from the police force. and so this isn't the latest statement and the latest statement. they say that they've decided to take no further action against the girl, but that they do appreciate the, as they say, understandable, sensitive activities around incidents involved young people and neurodiversity . now, in a neurodiversity. now, in a previous statement, they did say, we are aware of a video circulating on social media, which, as is often the case, only provides a limited snapshot of the circumstances of this incident. we have received a complaint in relation to the incident which is currently being assessed by west yorkshire professional standards directorate . now i think, harry,

directorate. now i think, harry, that in order to clear up any confusion in around the context of this , that the police force of this, that the police force should release their body cam footage. what do you think ? footage. what do you think? >> i don't think we need to we the their statement said that the their statement said that the alleged homophobic comments was made within a domestic dwelling . there is no such dwelling. there is no such offence . there is no such public offence. there is no such public order offence. section four. section five. within a domestic dwelling, it's as simple as that. we don't need to see any further context at all. and the proof of the pudding is in the eating because of course they've dropped all charges, they've dropped all charges, they've dropped interest in the poor dropped all interest in the poor girl because there was no basis whatsoever for the arrest. it was an entirely unlawful arrest. but i would contend that it was a criminal activity, a criminal activity . this was not activity. this was not professional failure . this was professional failure. this was criminal activity. and the reason for that is because our police constables, our police forces have been infiltrated by the likes of stonewall, the likes of mermaids, the likes of

pied pride. they've aligned themselves with a political movement and their point is that providing they're on the right side of history, they don't give a if they're on the wrong side of the law. and it's time that they were held to account and it's no good simply putting them through professional standards. people need to get in front of a judge. these coppers in front of a and they need stripping a judge, and they need stripping of their constabulary of their of their constabulary ship need sacking and ship and they need sacking and they need putting in jail. it's as that. as simple as that. >> thank you much . that was >> thank you very much. that was harry miller. now, i'm going to go to my panel now. but first, i'm that police i'm going to reread that police statement. said, are statement. they said, we are aware circulating on aware of a video circulating on social media, which, as is often the case, only provides a very limited of the limited snapshot of the circumstance sources of this incident. and now, as i say, in the more recent statement, they've said that they have released girl without released the girl without charge. they said that they charge. so they said that they that that they this has led them to a decision to take no further action. so do you think, steven,

that the police are out of control ? control? >> absolutely not. i don't. and i think that we actually need to look at this in the round. firstly, the seven police officers didn't turn up at her house. the young woman in was actually originally detained under a public order offence in the public in the city. the public area in the city. she'd a night out she'd been on for a night out and we also don't know whether the the police officer the woman, the police officer with short blonde who with the short blonde hair who was accused of looking like the lesbian, we don't know what her feelings maybe she was feelings were. maybe she was offended but i think offended by that, but i think what recognise is we what we have to recognise is we must see the whole the must see the whole thing in the round agree it. i round and i agree with it. i don't always agree with the lancashire i certainly lancashire police. i certainly don't always agree with the metropolitan citizen metropolitan police as a citizen of metropolis. believe of the metropolis. but believe you is thing taken you me, this is one thing taken out context. what are the out of context. what are the police officers doing in the house? history? house? what is the back history? how woman come how did the young woman come from on the street outside from being on the street outside a the house? what a nightclub into the house? what is full story this? is the full story about this? then we talk about it. then we can talk about it. but the trouble think it the trouble is, i think it actually detracts from some of the real terrifying problems we do the police. like you do have in the police. like you touched those memes and

touched on with those memes and those earlier on. those emojis earlier on. >> raf, this this >> very quickly, raf, this this pubuc >> very quickly, raf, this this public offence public order offence that that she arrested for , this she was arrested for, this happenedin she was arrested for, this happened in a private dwelling. anyway that anyway but regardless of that fact, it be illegal to fact, should it be illegal to say that someone looks like your lesbian nana well, it depends on context. >> i mean, why is that an offence? ours is rather homophobic. to suggest that looking lesbian bad looking like a lesbian is a bad thing . i mean, you have to think thing. i mean, you have to think about it in that context too . about it in that context too. and you know, back in old and you know, back in the old days, dixon green would days, dixon of dock green would just you a clip around the just given you a clip around the ear you said something ear hole if you said something offensive that person. but offensive to that person. but what an infuriating we're what an infuriating state we're in our police force in in now with our police force in this situation. i think it's absolutely got, absolutely appalling. we've got, you being you know, harry miller being arrested. this poor arrested. we've got this poor girl police after her. girl having police after her. meanwhile, we've mass meanwhile, we've got the mass rape girls also rape of young girls also in yorkshire unchecked by yorkshire going unchecked by pakistani muslim rape gangs. if someone you someone burgles your house, you won't policeman love someone burgles your house, you wormoney, policeman love someone burgles your house, you wormoney, buticeman love someone burgles your house, you wor money, but call an love someone burgles your house, you wor money, but call someone e someone burgles your house, you wormoney, but call someone a nor money, but call someone a lesbian police will be lesbian and the police will be around than can say. around faster than you can say. martina navratilova, thank you so miller again. so much to harry miller again. >> you to my >> and thank you also to my duellist joining me duellist for joining me throughout whole show. your throughout the whole show. your contribution this evening.

contribution is this evening. have been wonderful and intelligent so thank intelligent as always. so thank you you both. let's you very much to you both. let's take a final break and then we will look at what you have to say about today's topics . oh, say about today's topics. oh, sorry. we're going to we're going to look at what you've said about today's topics already. harry police already. harry says the police are disgrace. our streets are are a disgrace. our streets are lawless are posting lawless and they are posting jokes on their social media accounts and intimidating, scared autistic children . jen scared autistic children. jen says without god, there is no purpose. this this is why britain's children are so lost, beth says, i feel like the museum story has been blown out of proportion . it was just a of proportion. it was just a blog post. it really is a great museum with a great display. now, i don't doubt that that's the case, but i think it's very important the sorts of stuff that they're teaching people about their collections. so coming up on the final part of my sense crusade this my common sense crusade this week, we'll be by week, we'll be joined by professor to professor eric kaufmann to discuss corporate, environmental, social and governance, or esg. and something called b—corp. and

i'll be asking whether this poses a threat to freedom of speech and religion. stay tuned

after seeing lancashire police reporting crimes via a meme format, i took to twitter and asked, should police make social media memes? 92.6% of you agree with us. the police should not make social media memes to report crimes while . only 7.4% report crimes while. only 7.4% of you think that they should and that it's just a bit of fun. well, that's very interesting. i think that's quite a sound response from you all. thank you very much for your votes. you'll be aware that out by now that the bank coutts was recently under closing the under fire for closing the account of gb news presenter nigel farage because they didn't agree with political views agree with his political views and as it turned out, this was by no means an isolated incident

. coutts like many businesses , . coutts like many businesses, are signed up to be regulated , are signed up to be regulated, powered by environmental, social and governance principles . esg, and governance principles. esg, as it's known, is a set of standards that accompanies ranked on requiring companies to set net zero targets and promote social justice. now you may not have heard of something called b—corp , but over 1400 uk b—corp, but over 1400 uk companies are signed up to it, including coutts b—corp accredits companies who meet their environmental and social justice criteria. you might have heard of equality, diversity and inclusion policies, but b—corp takes it a step further by adding a j for social justice at the beginning. jedi principles. this week it's been reported that they are campaigning for something called the better business act. this legislation would require companies to serve, not their shareholders interests , but a purpose climate interests, but a purpose climate and social justice. the

potential threat to our individual freedom has been compared to china's social credit system. as we move to an increasing cashless society, does this pose a threat to freedom of speech and religion? i'm joined now by politics professor eric kaufmann . thank professor eric kaufmann. thank you so much forjoining us. eric, can we begin with an explanation from you ? what explanation from you? what exactly is esg and b—corp? because people might not have heard of it, right? >> well, what this essentially is, is a corporate kite marking organisation similar to, if you've heard of stonewall or mermaids . and they get companies mermaids. and they get companies to sign up to a set of pledges which are essentially a veiled form of cultural politics. once companies sign up to these pledges , they are then kind of pledges, they are then kind of bound by these pledges. and so, for example, you could see because. coutts bank was signed up to these pledges, they actually used in their rationale for de—banking farage the b—corp membership. so what you can see is this sort of ratcheting effect where these kite marking

organisations manage to twist the arms of major organisations to carry out their political agenda. and that's really what we're facing with this esg . i we're facing with this esg. i should say, by the way, that this is part of a broader pattern that we've seen in the us. we've seen here of a kind of stealth campaign by the cultural left to sort of essentially infiltrate many organisations . infiltrate many organisations. so it starts with very innocuous phase. it could be inclusion , it phase. it could be inclusion, it could be affirmative action, which sounds good on the surface , but then what happens is once companies and organisations sign up to this, it leads to a process that winds up in radicalisation and critical race theory and radical gender theory being pushed in diversity training and people being taught to hate britain as some kind of a racist country. all of this follows, but you don't see it on the tin, on the tin. it just says something nice like people in the planet. once you get into the practicalities of it's compelled speech , oh, you don't compelled speech, oh, you don't have a view that aligns with our

values. you're to going values. sorry you're to going have be fired or we're going have to be fired or we're going to you. so yeah, it's to silence you. so yeah, it's definitely a threat to speech. well, they to, part well, they want to, as part of these recommend nations buy b—corp. >> what they want to do is firstly to introduce some legislation on this , but they legislation on this, but they also part of that is affirmative action. so hiring people according to certain, quote , according to certain, quote, identity quotas is that not incompatible with equalities legislation in. >> well, i mean, it's an interpretation, a radical interpretation, a radical interpretation of equalities legislation. but it may not be incompatible . i mean, it is incompatible. i mean, it is a violation of nondescript nation. but, i mean, this is really what i'm talking about is you start i mean, affirmative action in america, for example , initially america, for example, initially meant just taking action against discrimination against black americans. it eventually came to mean quotas. so that if you didn't have enough black people, that mirrored the population you were in, somehow pursuing indirect discrimination . so you indirect discrimination. so you start with something innocuous ,

start with something innocuous, tackling discrimination, and then move to indirect then you move to indirect discrimination , which requires discrimination, which requires you to discriminate against white people or men or whatever it is. and that's what i mean. is there is this sort of stealth element that once you sign up to something that doesn't sound so bad, give to bad, you then give power to administrative activists, which then will push the envelope or push the envelope. so, for example, harass know we can all agree that overt harassment in the workplace isn't a good thing , because this sort of , but because this is sort of vaguely , it then comes to vaguely worded, it then comes to be the to the point where if you criticise the iranian supreme leader that can be perceived as islamophobe. and you islamophobe. and once you institute companies institute a duty companies incentives are to avoid lawsuits as much as possible, which means that even if it means silencing somebody's speech in criticising the supreme leader, that's better than being sued and having to pay money. so all of these incentives push the woke agenda more and more in a creeping manner, and that's why they must be resisted . so full they must be resisted. so full props really to the fsu who are

doing a great job in calling this out . and hopefully the this out. and hopefully the government is really going to take line because we take a tough line because we haven't enough from haven't seen enough action from the conservatives just the conservatives in just monitor these stealth monitor ordering these stealth campaigns. the free speech campaigns. well the free speech union, release this union, they just release this briefing on the subject of b—corp and esg , and they said b—corp and esg, and they said that 1 in 20 of their cases relates to edi policies. >> so the equality, diversity and inclusion policies, how much of a threat does this actually pose to freedom of speech and particularly for those who might be innocent be making, say, innocent religious comments or because of their religion , they take a their religion, they take a particular position on on the gender debate . how much of a gender debate. how much of a threat is that to going pose to people's individual rights? how concerned should people be about this? >> they should be they should be very concerned . i've done a very concerned. i've done a number studies , large scale number of studies, large scale surveys, in britain, one in surveys, one in britain, one in the us. found that the us. we found that particularly who are particularly people who are politically conservative, who go through diversity training are significantly more afraid of losing their job, losing out at

work , and they are reticent work, and they are reticent about criticising a black co—worker, for example. so what this does is it actually makes race relations more tense and self conscious. it makes people more fearful of stepping out of line and it gets people walking on eggshells. i mean, that's a terrible way to run an organisation . it's just lowering organisation. it's just lowering the human flourishing of our society. so yeah , a big it's society. so yeah, a big it's a major threat to free speech. not only that , some of the concepts only that, some of the concepts that they're totally pseudoscientific, they involve attacks on britain , on white attacks on britain, on white people, which are actually violations of the equality act. but of course that until you get a court, someone going to court on a reverse discrimination case. thank you very much, professor eric kaufmann , and professor eric kaufmann, and thank you very much for your time this evening. >> each week on this show, we like to end with closing like to end with our closing prayer. this week we are hearing the collect for the 10th sunday after tom from after trinity read by tom from the ascot school .

the ascot school. >> let my merciful is oh lord, be open to the prayers of thy humble servants and that they may obtain their petitions, make them to ask such things as shall please thee through jesus christ our lord. amen you've been watching the common sense crusade with me, emma webb. >> next up, it's the saturday five. but before that, here is your weather forecast . your weather forecast. >> that warm feeling inside from the boxt boilers. proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. of weather on. gb news. >> hello, i'm marco petagna. here's your latest weather update from the met office. we'll see a mixed bag of weather across the uk over the next few days. there'll be some sunshine, but some rain too. but things will warmer certainly will be turning warmer certainly towards the middle parts of the coming is coming week. low pressure is anchored north—west anchored towards the north—west of the at moment. that's of the uk at the moment. that's feeding showers on of the uk at the moment. that's fee(south showers on of the uk at the moment. that's fee(south westerlyshowers on of the uk at the moment. that's fee(south westerly breeze. on of the uk at the moment. that's fee(south westerly breeze andyn of the uk at the moment. that's fee(south westerly breeze and we the south westerly breeze and we need to keep an eye on this little feature running in from the southwest. that'll bring

some sunday night the southwest. that'll bring som monday. sunday night the southwest. that'll bring som monday. back sunday night the southwest. that'll bring som monday. back t0|nday night the southwest. that'll bring som monday. back to tonight,|ht into monday. back to tonight, though, of clear though, it's a case of clear spells and showers. the most frequent showers the frequent showers towards the north uk, some north and west of the uk, some of them fairly heavy towards the north—west the north—west of scotland. in the best of the clear spells down towards the south—east, temperatures holding up fairly towards the south—east, temfactually holding up fairly towards the south—east, temfactually at lding up fairly towards the south—east, temfactually at 15 ng up fairly towards the south—east, temfactually at 15 or up fairly towards the south—east, temfactually at 15 or 16» fairly well actually at 15 or 16 degrees falling lower degrees and falling no lower than 14 towards the north. than 13 or 14 towards the north. and northwest. for sunday, and northwest. as for sunday, well, day of sunshine and well, it's a day of sunshine and showers. most showers. the showers most frequent widespread on frequent and most widespread on sunday and sunday towards the north and northeast uk. few northeast of the uk. a few heavy, perhaps even thundery ones towards ones around here with towards the east. it's a the south and east. it's a brighter plenty of brighter picture. plenty of sunny around and with sunny spells around and with lighter winds on saturday it lighter winds and on saturday it should a bit out and should feel a bit warmer out and about. peaking about. temperatures peaking at 23 fahrenheit 23 celsius, 73 in fahrenheit monday, though, looks like being a pretty unsettled day across england and wales. outbreaks of quite potentially thundery quite heavy potentially thundery rain working the rain working in from the southwest we go through southwest as we go through the day towards and day with towards the north and northwest, day of northwest, it's a day of sunshine showers once again northwest, it's a day of sunstemperatures/vers once again northwest, it's a day of sunstemperatures peakinga again northwest, it's a day of sunstemperatures peaking in gain northwest, it's a day of sunstemperatures peaking in the| and temperatures peaking in the high low 20s 23 down high teens to low 20s 23 down towards the south—east in 73 and fahrenheit warming up, though, as we head towards the middle of

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