answer some of the questions and answer some of the questions about actually about whether there's actually something about what's something crooked about what's happenedin something crooked about what's happened in dudley. we've happened in dudley. also, we've got another gb news broadcast exclusive. all of the exclusives this morning because we're going to showing you interview to be showing you an interview that's by the us that's been done by the us documentary maker daphne documentary film maker daphne barak , and she's spoken to barak, and she's spoken to democratic presidential hopeful robert kennedy jr, son of the former us attorney general, and senator bobby kennedy . of senator bobby kennedy. of course, she's also he's also the nephew of jfk. he'll be speaking to us in detail about where he was on the day that he found out that his uncle been that his uncle had been assassinated . immigration is assassinated. immigration is obviously to key obviously going to be a key theme this we've got theme this morning. we've got another case of drownings another tragic case of drownings in channel. and i'm going to in the channel. and i'm going to be speaking to the australian foreign minister, the former australian minister, australian foreign minister, alexander what's alexander downer, about what's been because he wrote been going on, because he wrote this live report on how to this form live report on how to control our borders. and clearly that's happening the home that's not happening at the home office. to be office. i'm also going to be speaking labour's speaking to labour's former northern ireland secretary, shaun about mass shaun woodward, about this mass data that's gone on with data breach that's gone on with the service of northern the police service of northern ireland. and i'm going to be

speaking former defence speaking with former defence minister and minister sir gerald howarth and gb portillo gb news own michael portillo about the threat from china, what's going on with ukraine and russia all of the of russia and all of the rest of it. so jam packed show. it. so it's a jam packed show. do move , let's go through do not move, let's go through the papers first of and the papers first of all, and take through headlines . take you through the headlines. as you can imagine, immigration is a key theme. so sunday is a key theme. so the sunday telegraph splashes ministers want for asylum want more barges for asylum seekers, would you believe after what's gone on with bibby stockholm .7 sunday times stockholm? sunday times goes with actually this is one exception and is because exception and this is because the a—level grades are coming out week . a tougher a—level out this week. a tougher a—level grading vital to halt university dropouts surge. the observer . dropouts surge. the observer. the channel boat deaths prompt fresh anger over asylum policy may mail on sunday, pointing the finger across the channel was french patrol boat to blame for migrant drownings . it asks migrant drownings. it asks sunday express. this probably sums up your emotions about it, really for pity's sake, stop the boats . these are this

really for pity's sake, stop the boats. these are this has really for pity's sake, stop the boats . these are this has gone boats. these are this has gone slightly off piste sun on sunday, holly's i slightly off piste sun on sunday, holly'si million itv sunday, holly's i million itv payday sunday, holly's i million itv payday. sunday, holly's i million itv payday . nice work if you can get payday. nice work if you can get it. holly willoughby and sunday mirror. how many more must die before tories get a grip? well, let's see if the tories can get a grip on this issue . i'm a grip on this issue. i'm absolutely delighted to introduce chris. hope to you all, and you'll be familiar with christopher hope, my former colleague at the telegraph now are incoming gb news political editor , also known as chopper , editor, also known as chopper, if i may call you that. that's okay. why not maintain that nickname while you're here? you're going to get started this week. it's your first week at gb news. yes. welcome um, thank you. to the madhouse here. >> hello, viewers. >> hello, viewers. >> lovely to see you. right, let's whip through some of these boat stories then, chris, because week it's been because what a week it's been for government. stop for the government. yes. stop the week. i mean , stop. the boats week. i mean, stop. the negative would be the negative headlines would be a launching this a better way of launching this campaign . it's been absolute campaign. it's been an absolute disaster, it? disaster, hasn't it? >> yes. they've tried to run before. they can walk. i think i mean, i think i mean, let's

start with the really sad news overnight of the drownings in the just horrific the channel. it's just horrific . sunday is saying . the mail on sunday is saying here they maybe a here that they maybe was was a french vessel watching this boat. are the french boat. and what are the french doing that. but there was doing and that. but there was a human tragedy at the heart of these stories. >> but there's always a human tragedy, heart >> but there's always a human trathisl, heart >> but there's always a human trathis whole heart >> but there's always a human trathis whole thing, heart >> but there's always a human trathis whole thing, know, of this whole thing, you know, smugglers are making an absolute fortune on the backs of people being sent across the channel in barely inflatable dinghies. got all this government rhetoric all of this government rhetoric and yet still, we're months in years into a tory government that hasn't been able to get a grip of this issue at all. >> i think what's interesting in the sunday telegraph front page there about these barges, the bibby stockholm, of course, the mistake there was mistake they made there was going early on it. they going to early on it. they should flushed the water should have flushed the water out, all clean should have flushed the water out,there's all clean should have flushed the water out,there's risk all clean should have flushed the water out,there's risk ofl clean and there's no risk of legionnaires acas. but i think this idea they want to get this idea that they want to get more the telegraph more barges, the telegraph reporting several could be in place in smaller ports around the country . that's really the country. that's really interesting, i think, because this is for me, going to the

next 12 to 18 months is all about what would labour do if they were in power ? if the they were in power? if the tories can establish maybe three or 4 or 5 barges around the country, they'll become a focus for the next election . what for the next election. what would labour do? would keir starmer remove those barges and put back in hotels but put them back in hotels but didn't see the attack line for the stephen kinnock, the >> stephen kinnock, who's the labour spokesman on these issues, week that he issues, said last week that he thought that they would the thought that they would keep the barges as were barges because as if they were in government need to in government they would need to keep the existing infrastructure. i mean, interesting , the of interesting, the lack of solution labour done . solution from labour is done. this the mirror, it's this op ed in the mirror, it's basically saying, yeah, we need to with the to cooperate more with the french we to stop the french and we need to stop the smuggling to smuggling gangs and we need to disincentivize people from coming well, coming here. i'm thinking, well, isn't government's isn't that what the government's proposing opposing it? well , they're so similar that >> well, they're so similar that the i think, the two parties, i think, differentiate is the theme of the next 12 at the the next 12 months. at the moment, we're putting up migrants here illegally migrants who come here illegally in does that look in in hotels. how does that look in france? britain, live in france? go to britain, live in a hotel . that's how it appears. hotel. that's how it appears. >> look like to the >> how does it look like to the electorate here? >> hate right. and >> they hate it, right. and we're paying for it. and you

can't we're paying for it. and you cant go we're paying for it. and you can't go on holiday can't even go on holiday in britain might can't even go on holiday in bri full might can't even go on holiday in bri full already. might can't even go on holiday in bri full already. that's might can't even go on holiday in bri full already. that's the night problem. >> talk about whether there's >> we talk about whether there's a maybe there's a difference. maybe there's only a difference. maybe there's only a and a paper between sunak and starmer there's starmer because there's some interesting in the mail interesting analysis in the mail on sunday. i quite like how they've done this polling because normally polling is quite what of quite boring and what kind of questions they the questions have they asked the people surveyed here? >> yeah, it says it's sunak. >> yeah, it says it's sunak. >> it's a long way behind. 17 points behind starmer. they say here that voters would rather spend a carjourney here that voters would rather spend a car journey or a spend a long car journey or a night out with starmer. not sunak i've in the car a sunak not. i've in the car a lot. can i just say slight a hobson's choice that. >> would you to have a car >> would you like to have a car journey indeed long journey or indeed a long night out either i mean, out with either of them? i mean, my me, 30% the my goodness me, 30% think the government had handled the economy badly. economy very badly. >> that's bad for sunak. they economy very badly. >> saying bad for sunak. they economy very badly. >> saying things sunak. they economy very badly. >> saying things hereak. they economy very badly. >> saying things hereak. tiwe are saying things here that we know they're saying that know. they're saying here that sunak be a boss of a sunak would be a good boss of a company . company. >> yeah, you'd be better >> yeah, but you'd be better with money. with your money. >> and think he's got to learn >> and i think he's got to learn politics >> and i think he's got to learn pol it's quite an interesting >> it's quite an interesting bofis >> it's quite an interesting boris asks boris question in there. it asks tory voters particular whether they'd more likely vote they'd be more likely to vote for was for the tories if boris was still in power and the people. i think it's 29% said they'd vote

for sunak and then it goes up to 31 yes. so the blonde 31 for boris. yes. so the blonde still looms in the background and he knows it doesn't he just. i know. >> and also on net zero, it's very popular for more than half like it. but three quarters won't install a heat which won't install a heat pump, which says it all about net zero. >> the problem right? >> this is the problem right? people support this. people are in support of this. i mean, least because the mean, not least because the british at british are very good at recycling the rest of recycling and all the rest of it. don't want to it. but they don't want to pay paying paying thousands of pounds for new that's new cars and heat pumps. that's right. now to steve right. let's go on now to steve barclay, the health secretary who's been in a number of the papers. interview. papers. he's done an interview. i just thought it was worth pointing out this really good i just thought it was worth pointiin out this really good i just thought it was worth pointi in out telegraph. good i just thought it was worth pointiin out telegraph. chris piece in the telegraph. chris says three months of surgery in five days. basically, this has been pioneered by guy's and thomas's . yeah, clearly they've thomas's. yeah, clearly they've got a massive breast cancer backlog and a consultant there . backlog and a consultant there. mr ahmed, i believe, is called imran ahmed has basically said that you should condemn all of these operations a few days and get them done. this is a positive story. why can't this be rolled out?

>> rethinking how you deal with waiting lists . waiting lists. >> there's a guy called professor briggs an professor tim briggs who has an idea right. idea called get it right. first time nhs . the point is, time in the nhs. the point is, all these hospitals are doing the thing the time. the same thing all the time. learn practise and do learn the best practise and do it. idea of using it. and the idea of using technology, clever ways of technology, using clever ways of working and just literally blitzing one part of the waiting list and moving to next part list and moving to the next part sounds intelligent. list and moving to the next part sounds they telligent. list and moving to the next part sounds theytelligconcurrent basically they had concurrent operating so that they operating theatres so that they didn't need wait people didn't need to wait for people to somebody having the >> somebody having the anaesthetic, being anaesthetic, somebody being operated switch, switch, operated on. switch, switch, switch . mean, clear a three operated on. switch, switch, switch backlog, clear a three operated on. switch, switch, switch backlog, five�*ar a three operated on. switch, switch, switch backlog, five days,hree operated on. switch, switch, switch backlog, five days, god month backlog in five days, god , the problem for me with the nhs politics is always involved. >> should >> it should be taken out ideally patients . most ideally for the patients. most important people should be removed politics and it removed from politics and it isn't. what we see here isn't. that's what we see here in the mail. see barclay talking about how to let out labour , about how to let out labour, laboun about how to let out labour, labour, nhs patients in wales use the english way and then he's having a go at labour running the nhs in wales and saying the waiting list for theresa may as prime minister. >> let's have a quick chat about

whether there are too many rats in chris in parliament. chris well apparently , although apparently there are, although i've apparently there are, although pve seen apparently there are, although i've seen any, not i've never seen any, not not any actual rodents. >> many mps who are. >> i've seen many mps who are. >> i've seen many mps who are. >> yes, of course, right. >> yes, of course, right. >> but there were lots mice. >> but there were lots of mice. but apparently, according the but apparently, to according the country here, can't . it's country here, they can't. it's an for an unsuitable environment for a moggie according the moggie. according to the battersea . battersea. >> i mean, haven't met my >> i mean, they haven't met my cat, lionel of blair, cat, baroness lionel of blair, who basically a serial who is basically a serial killer. yes. something has killed almost on a daily basis. i larry a couple of weeks i saw larry a couple of weeks ago. i happened to into ago. i happened to go into number is just number 10. yes. larry is just lying about on the rug doing not overfed cat , not lying about on the rug doing not overfed cat, not mousing anything . anything. >> if i was working late at the telegraph in room 12, room ten, if i didn't move, the mouse would appear. so i'd be i'd be making flappy noises. >> when you say room tone, you're where you're talking about where all the out in the the journalists hang out in the houses are houses of parliament. there are mice just flying around. yeah, but because but isn't it also because journalists bit filthy and journalists are a bit filthy and they sandwiches? do. >> we just dribble paperwork. >> we just dribble paperwork. >> now slightly >> yeah. horrible. now slightly slight segway just to another story that pricked my interest. there's this image of yes ,

there's this image of yes, meghan, the duchess of sussex . meghan, the duchess of sussex. yes. tell me about it, chris, because i'm intrigued by this image . can have you showing this image. can have you showing this thing on her wrist. that seems to be what? yes >> well, apparently it is a bio signal processing disc right on the veins on the inside of her left hand, which she was showing a camera was nearby. the camera caught it . caught it. >> what i find interesting about this image is i don't know if we can zoom in on it, but isn't it interesting how one of her sleeves is turned down to reveal this mtal health disc and this mesh mtal health disc and the other sleeve isn't? that's right. could she have known she was being photographed? no she may not have known it is. >> we think it's taken by someone called backgrid, which could be a paparazzi, very famous paparazzi agency. >> the £235 to nearly £3,000 a yean >> and it tells you your mood and helps you to de—stress. can't afford gym gym membership as you're starting at gb news. >> maybe you should invest in one of these discs. yes. just to

make sure you're fine as you make sure you're fine as you make this foray into broadcast . make this foray into broadcast. sting yes, chris, we wish you all the very best. looking forward you on air forward to seeing you on air this week. >> right. yes >> that's right. yes >> that's right. yes >> okay. good luck with everything. to here. everything. good to be here. christopher hope, our new political editor, and political editor, ladies and gentlemen. now, from one gentlemen. now now, from one political correspondent to another , let's join utley another, let's join olivia utley now who i believe in now who i believe is in leamington spa with the people's panel. leamington spa with the people's panel . olivia, what would they panel. olivia, what would they like to us ask our guests today? lovely to see you . lovely to see you. >> hello. lovely to see you, too , camilla. yes, i am here in rather rainy leamington spa today with our fantastic people's panel . i've been having people's panel. i've been having a great chat with them this morning. they've got some really, questions really, really good questions for panellists for your panellists this morning, forward morning, so i'm looking forward to you. but first, to introducing you. but first, we are very lucky to be hosted in the beautiful temperance cafe in the beautiful temperance cafe in spa , and i'm here in leamington spa, and i'm here with the owner, adrian and adrian. how's business going for you ? you? >> good morning. well we haven't had a great few years , obviously had a great few years, obviously with cost of living crisis and covid lockdown and everything,

but we're doing okay now. we're open at least. and that's a big improvement. >> i can imagine. and fantastic selection of teas you've got. very exciting . very exciting. >> i think we had 50 last time i counted 50 teas. >> really , really good. lovely >> really, really good. lovely to be here. and adrian, are there any challenges that your business is facing at the moment that perhaps the government could help with ? could help with? >> well, they could fix the economy that would the economy that would help the cost of living crisis obviously affects , you know, you know, the affects, you know, you know, the hospitality businesses around the country , many of whom are the country, many of whom are unfortunately having to close. so the energy prices is probably affecting us the most . affecting us the most. >> i can imagine. and i know that lots of small businesses across the country are struggling the struggling with the same problem. yeah, if you problem. so yeah, rishi, if you could just fix the economy for adrian, be lovely. adrian, that would be lovely. thank you much thank you. thank you so much for having really, really having us. we're really, really grateful you . and now grateful. thank you. and now over to our brilliant people's panel. today we've got catherine, we've got stephen, and we've got tony. catherine

i'm going to start with you . you i'm going to start with you. you had a really interesting question. i think , for one of question. i think, for one of our guests in particular. can you talk to me a little bit about that? yes, alexandre downer, i would like to ask him how he would manage the uk through the immigration system legally and illegally , how we legally and illegally, how we would deal with europe on the same system to run through the uk because it's not just the uk that has the problem . um, that has the problem. um, because obviously australia has done a fantastic job of stopping the migrant crisis there. so essentially you're sort of looking for tips and tricks that the uk and europe could, could take from . mr downer yes , i take from. mr downer yes, i don't believe we could use the same process as on turning the boats back, but the boats are one of the big issues. >> but not the main issue . >> but not the main issue. >> but not the main issue. >> well, thank you very much and i'm sure camilla will be talking to alexander downer about that

crisis in the channel. now and stephen, what about you? what questions do you have for our panel? i know you're a you're a business owner. so the state of the economy at the moment is really affecting you? >> yes, is. we to >> yes, it is. and we need to get investment back into get some investment back into youth particularly to youth training, particularly to do with solar energy and net zero. and i don't believe this country can actually afford the direction we're travelling at the moment in relation to net zero, i think it needs to be slowed a little bit. i think there needs to be more investment in youth training people to through to people to come through to support the businesses because there the people available there isn't the people available that are trained to deliver what we need to deliver . we need to deliver. >> thank very much. and >> thank you very much. and you're the only who you're not the only one who thinks that. certainly. and tony, what about we talking tony, what about you? we talking about earlier? do about net zero earlier? how do you zero is you think the net zero agenda is going? trust labour or going? do you trust labour or the conservatives fix our the conservatives to fix our energy woes? >> that's a difficult one. of course. i don't think anybody can. i would like to do can. but what i would like to do is i'd like to ask andy street why can't put solar panels on

why we can't put solar panels on top car parks . because if top of our car parks. because if we did that, we would reach solar panels, we would reach net zero quicker than others , but zero quicker than others, but more importantly, we would stop putting solar panels over our fields , which is affecting our fields, which is affecting our agriculture service. so we can do two things at once and we get the benefit of having lots and lots of energy that is not carbon , it's carbon neutral. carbon, it's carbon neutral. that to me is really important. so i'm really, really keen to find a way de to make certain we can reach net zero without damaging the country. >> thank you very much. and i think that concern is echoed all around the country. so many people who are very keen to , uh, people who are very keen to, uh, to, to get to net zero, to reduce our carbon emissions, but are worried that we're are worried that the way we're going at the moment, it's going to the poorest hardest. and to hit the poorest hardest. and not effective . not actually be that effective. so there's just a snapshot of what people in leamington spa are saying this morning. but back to you in the studio, camilla, for now , thank you very

camilla, for now, thank you very much indeed for that. camilla, for now, thank you very mu olivia aed for that. camilla, for now, thank you very mu olivia .3d for that. camilla, for now, thank you very mu olivia . greatthat. camilla, for now, thank you very mu olivia . great questions there >> olivia. great questions there that put my guests. that i'll put to my guests. don't way, if you don't forget, by the way, if you want for people's want to apply for the people's panel want to apply for the people's panel, gbnews.com forward panel, go to gbnews.com forward slash simple. slash panel. it's that simple. now i'm delighted to be joined by labour and tory by former labour and tory mp because defected to labour because he defected to labour from the tories and former northern ireland secretary shaun woodward. , lovely to woodward. now shaun, lovely to speak this morning. speak to you this morning. obviously question obviously the first question i've obviously the first question pve your i've got for you in your capacity as former northern ireland discuss ireland secretary is to discuss this hack gone this dreadful hack that's gone on with police service northern ireland, 10,000 officers details have been compromised. i mean, do we think that there's a question of police officers safety being danger safety now being in danger because of this? sean >> there could be. and the short answer , camilla, is we don't answer, camilla, is we don't really know . following a request really know. following a request for freedom of information, a terrible error was made in the police service of northern ireland. adding to the request what's called source data, which meant that actually the surnames initials and the departments in

which 10,000 police officers in northern ireland suddenly found online, their details had been posted. now, in northern ireland, a lot of policemen go to work every day, not not dressed in their uniforms. so men and women leave home in plain clothes. their neighbours don't know what they go to do. they've had to keep their work secret in order to protect themselves and their families . themselves and their families. the risk here is that some of those people's identities have been compromised and we don't know enough . it's a statement know enough. it's a statement that so far has come from the chief constable, which is that they're investigating it. the chief constable returned from holiday, had a meeting with the oversight body in northern ireland that looks at these issues and some people wanted the chief constable to resign. the chief constable said he didn't think it would be helpful to resign . do you think he to resign. do you think he should resign? the chief constable well, point about constable. well, the point about resignation is does it actually do anything? i mean, right now

we need somebody to find out what's going on, and i'm not sure it would actually help if because mistake, the chief because of a mistake, the chief constable his job, constable leaves his job, leaving nobody at the top of the tree to try and sort out what is actually happening and to protect the officers concerned. there's already probably that's the decision for now, but the right decision for now, but maybe the secretary of state might statement on this might make a statement on this because this is one of those areas where because of power sharing, not working properly in northern ireland, there under admittedly is a vacuum that needs to be filled and what we need, you need your viewers need to know is our police officers right now in danger and what is being done to protect them? yes we'll get on to power sharing in just a moment. >> the other question i was going to ask is there's already talk in today's newspapers about some police officers some of these police officers suing the police service in northern ireland. and i mean, you can't blame them, can you? this extraordinary this is an extraordinary breach of to, as you've of their data to, as you've said, compromises their said, it compromises their safety. do you the idea

safety. do you support the idea that there should be a class action? well what i support at the moment is actually knowing how much in danger these police officers are . officers are. >> let's be frank about this . if >> let's be frank about this. if it's no good getting money, see if somebody's subsequently loses their life because their identity has been compromised. and i think , however and i think, however understandable it is , and i'm understandable it is, and i'm sure there are lawyers out there, ambulance chasing as it's called right now, trying to put this class action together . what this class action together. what really needs to happen right now is the police service of northern ireland. those responsible in northern ireland. the secretary of state here needs to get a grip on actually what's happened and protecting people. and after we've protected them, let's worry about suing people for mistakes . but what we need to do right now is protect people who, in my experience , as i think labour's experience, as i think labour's longest serving secretary of state, found these men and women to be extraordinarily public

service people. and we owe a huge debt to them for protecting the people of northern ireland, whatever their denomination . whatever their denomination. >> and i think we understand that a roman catholic police officer has already moved his family out of northern ireland because of the data breach . as because of the data breach. as you say there, you're the longest serving northern ireland secretary. how do you characterise at the moment relations between republicans and loyalists in the district ? and loyalists in the district? >> well, i think people have still got to be congratulated on the achievement now of more than 25 years of the political process and the peace process working. and there have been a huge challenges in recent months and years, not least the fact that now for a year and a half, there has actually been no power sharing vehicle up and running in northern ireland. and the politicians not least the dup, really do need now to get back into government and start working together because wouldn't it be better now if the

executive was functioning in northern ireland and they were the people talking to you about what should be happening? and again, all i have to say here is the secretary of state has a responsible ability to get this all worked . and i think it's all worked. and i think it's a great shame that we've actually seen the absence of the secretary of state yet again in the last few days when i would like to have seen more of them. and i think it's been interesting that the taoiseach interesting that the taoiseach in the republic of ireland has been a very visible presence in the last few days trying to talk to the parties and get them working again. >> let's speak about leo varadkar because he said this week the stormont power week that if the stormont power sharing can't be sharing institutions can't be re—established the autumn, re—established in the autumn, well then i do think at that point we have start point we will have to start having about having conversations about alternatives, about plan b, what would plan b look like in your mind? sean well, would plan b look like in your mind? sean well , that's a very, mind? sean well, that's a very, very good question because as i was as you know, camilla, very pleased when rishi sunak became

prime minister of our country. >> i'm a labour politician , but >> i'm a labour politician, but he is our prime minister at the moment . i hope that changes. but moment. i hope that changes. but he is who we've got. and unlike bofis he is who we've got. and unlike boris johnson, he put a huge amount of effort into northern ireland at the start of his time as prime minister. now since that time, he's made promises that time, he's made promises that he would get the executive up and running again and i think he has been somewhat distracted by all the other problems he's got from actually making progress on that. so plan b requires the british prime minister to get in there with the irish t shirt and everybody else to find a way to get a resolution. now i presume what plan b means is finding a way for the irish government and the british government to be working together to way to together for to find a way to get the institutions is still in northern ireland up and running, and that might be bringing about elections. yes. but again , what elections. yes. but again, what i really feel here is what's missing is what we saw under tony blair and gordon brown and

less so increasingly with conservative prime ministers we need the engagement of the british prime minister. it doesn't matter whether they're tory or labour, the british pm needs to be in there making these people work together. and a combination of money legislation and time and that's the crucial thing. time time is what is missing from the british prime minister's agenda in northern ireland. >> you mentioned tony blair there. obviously, he worked under blair and brown. i'm intrigued by the story in the front the sunday times. sean, intrigued by the story in the f|wondered3 sunday times. sean, intrigued by the story in the f|wondered if'>unday times. sean, intrigued by the story in the f|wondered if'>undaycomment.an, i wondered if you'd comment. blair kept advising blair institute kept advising saudi government after khashoggi's murder. that's a misjudgement from tony blair, isn't it? >> well, you and i and i suspect every viewer watching this programme will have been sickened by the death of mr khashoggi and what we learn about the circumstances behind that. yeah, as i understand it, and i don't work for the tony

blair institute , but the blair institute, but the decision was made not to cancel a contract that was in play with the tony blair institute and the saudi government at mrjudged. though the saudi government is modernising, that doesn't for one second condone what happened in turkey with the murder of mr khashoggi . but what you and khashoggi. but what you and i know family , you have to ask know family, you have to ask yourself, is the rhetoric and a sudden action is easy. so, for example, if the chief constable of northern ireland had resigned , would that have made any difference to protecting police officers today? so if everybody had withdrawn from communications with the saudis , communications with the saudis, yeah, would that have helped? and an obvious example here, but was it wrong, sean , to carry on was it wrong, sean, to carry on with this funding cost of energy and petrol prices would for example, withdraw from every cooperation with saudi arabia after the death of khashoggi? okay. and let's say the saudis cutting oil production as a response would a further belt on

the cost of living crisis. okay, sean , do anything to help people sean, do anything to help people in britain . in britain. >> okay. thank you. sorry. we're going to have to leave there, going to have to leave it there, but to you this but lovely to speak to you this sunday. very much, sunday. thank you very much, indeed. more to in indeed. lots more to come. in just minute, going be just a minute, i'm going to be speaking to the mayor of west midlands, about midlands, andy street, about the shocking destruction of that famous in famous crooked house pub in staffordshire. that after famous crooked house pub in sta1weather�*. that after famous crooked house pub in sta1weather , that after famous crooked house pub in sta1weather , the that after famous crooked house pub in sta1weather , the temperatures the weather, the temperatures rising , boxt the weather, the temperatures rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> hello. good morning. i'm marco petagna. here's your latest weather update from the met office. we'll see a mixed bag weather across the uk met office. we'll see a mixed bag the eather across the uk met office. we'll see a mixed bag the nextzr across the uk met office. we'll see a mixed bag the next 24 cross the uk met office. we'll see a mixed bag the next 24 hoursthe uk met office. we'll see a mixed bag the next 24 hours or uk met office. we'll see a mixed bag the next 24 hours or so. over the next 24 hours or so. a mixture of sunshine and showers with persistent rain with more persistent rain arriving from arriving later from the southwest . back to the detail southwest. back to the detail for today, though . plenty of for today, though. plenty of showers around towards north showers around towards the north and today. some and west of the uk today. some of heavy potentially of them on the heavy potentially thundery particularly thundery side, particularly towards northeast towards the north and northeast of scotland more of of scotland. more in the way of sunshine towards the south sunshine down towards the south and those showers and east between those showers and east between those showers and allow temperatures and that will allow temperatures to the low celsius to climb into the low 20 celsius peaking in the south—east at

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welcome back to the camilla tominey show. now, in just a moment, joining me in the studio will be the mayor of west midlands, andy street, and then former australian foreign minister alexander will minister alexander downer will be boats be discussing the small boats crisis. tuned for of crisis. stay tuned for all of that after news with polly that after the news with polly middlehurst .

middlehurst. >> camilla, thank you. and good morning to you. the top story from the gp newsroom is that the government is under renewed pressure to tackle the migrant crisis after six people died crossing the english channel yesterday. campaigners have described the incident as an appalling and preventable tragedy, while mps from all parties are calling for action to stop criminal gangs profits from the dangerous journeys . 59 from the dangerous journeys. 59 people were rescued by british and french coast guards yesterday after an overload loaded vessel carrying migrants got into difficulty off the coast of france. the home secretary suella braverman, has described the incident as a tragic loss of life and confirmed she chaired a meeting with border force team officials i >> -- >> as not a lot of people do know what the options for safe legal routes are. but of course, we use humanitarian visas with the ukrainian situation . people the ukrainian situation. people were brought here safely and legally , never having to legally, never having to navigate the asylum system or get into a small boat. so it can

be done. we do have mechanisms available, but they're very , available, but they're very, very narrow and they don't catch everyone that is allowed to be here. so it's we know now that nothing is going to work, nothing is going to work, nothing is going to work, nothing is going to deter people . we need to start looking at how we here safely and how we get them here safely and process them quickly so that was comment there from kate marsh, who is a manager and support coordinator at a migrant charity called sam fire. >> now labour has pledged to recruit more than 6500 new teachers in a plan to tackle regional recruitment gaps , regional recruitment gaps, supply teacher spending has doubled in the last year and labour says that its recruitment plan to create more opportunities for young people would more than fill teacher vacancies and temporary filled roles, giving stability for children worst affected by teacher vacancies and shadow education secretary bridget phillipson says that ending tax breaks on private schools will put money into teacher recruitment , but have to

recruitment, but have to re—establish teaching as a really valued and respected profession in our country. >> and labour's plans would deliver more teachers into our classrooms . we would end the tax classrooms. we would end the tax breaks that private schools enjoy and put that money into recruiting teachers. but recruiting more teachers. but alongside that, all of the different incentive payments and bursaries are currently bursaries that are currently available , we want to simplify available, we want to simplify that make it more effective that to make it more effective in teachers in the in keeping teachers in the classroom . classroom. >> and the government is to bfing >> and the government is to bring forward changes to regulations around single sex toilets in public spaces, all new non domestic, public and private buildings will be required to provide separate single sex toilets for women and men , or a self contained private men, or a self contained private toilet as a minimum . women and toilet as a minimum. women and equalities minister kemi badenoch says gender neutral toilets has removed the right for privacy in public facilities and the new regulations will protect the dignity and safety of all. you're watching news across the uk on your tv, in your car, on your digital radio

and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news this is britain's news . britain's news. channel ten. >> welcome back to the camilla tominey show. now, don't go anywhere because i'm about to talk to the mayor of the west midlands, street. i'm then midlands, andy street. i'm then going in the studio going to be joined in the studio by australia's longest serving foreign alexander foreign minister. alexander downer government ever downer will this government ever be stop the boats? be able to stop the boats? i'll be able to stop the boats? i'll be asking a little be asking him that a little later. and in a gb news broadcast exclusive, we'll be showing an interview us showing an interview by us documentary film maker daphne barak kennedy jr, son barak of robert kennedy jr, son of us attorney general, of former us attorney general, and senator bobby kennedy and nephew, of course , of former us nephew, of course, of former us president john f kennedy . but president john f kennedy. but first, i'm absolutely delighted to say that the mayor of west midlands, me midlands, andy street, joins me in studio now. andy good in the studio now. andy good morning. you very much for morning. thank you very much for making south to come making the journey south to come and us look

and speak to us today. look we've got start with this we've got to start with this crooked house pub . it's on your crooked house pub. it's on your patch . i know you've been quite patch. i know you've been quite vocal about it . i appreciate vocal about it. i appreciate that. there is a police investigate being carried out, but been put to me by but it's been put to me by a correspondent this morning that there that seems there is something that seems a little cricket crooked little more cricket crooked about this than just the pub . about this than just the pub. >> so we do have to respect the police inquiry and of course, the authority also the local authority also investigating . is there the investigating. is there the planning authority? they're the ones with the powers to act over a you are a rebuild. and but you are right, to underlying right, there's to underlying points here. the local people are really outraged by this. they see this as an attack on their heritage , their history, their heritage, their history, and particularly people in the black country are very, very proud of that. but then the other underlying point is, is there sufficient legal protection for buildings like this? and i think it's for those two reasons that this is becoming a story of national significance is it even international significance ? international significance? because people feel there to underline important points, people who are watching the show were just showing some images of

this pub being burnt out that was it razed to the was before it was razed to the ground with a digger that apparently booked apparently had been booked before the pub even burnt down. >> and if you're listening on the radio, just seeing the radio, we're just seeing images burnt out shell images of the burnt out shell of this building. lo and this building. and then lo and behold, then razed to the behold, it's then razed to the ground, seemingly without anyone being it. i've read being able to stop it. i've read reports the pathway or the reports about the pathway or the road to the pub being blocked by huge soil . road to the pub being blocked by huge soil. something huge mounds of soil. something seems extremely fishy about the entire thing . i think from the entire thing. i think from the public's perspective , they're public's perspective, they're asking themselves two questions. first of all, how on earth is this able to happen ? how could this able to happen? how could those have got in and those diggers have got in and done this without seemingly anyone permission? point one, andy. and point two, what legal redress does anyone locally have? you've talked about this pub being rebuilt brick by brick. how can you enforce that? >> yeah. okay. so they are the points. you're right. so what is a statement of fact is that there was no permission to demolish this pub. clear demolish this pub. very clear permit has to be given by the

local authority for a demolition to occur . that permission was to occur. that permission was not given. so in a sense , that's not given. so in a sense, that's an established fact. we've got to then follow through the consequences of that. now when i say the pub must be rebuilt brick by brick, clearly that's the requirement. but there the local requirement. but there are also precedents for that in law. there's a wonderful story of a pub in maida vale in london, the carlton tavern, that was knocked down without permission rebuilt brick by permission was rebuilt brick by brick. of course, it's going to be rather more difficult with a very building like this, very quirky building like this, but that's the ambition, because it's a principle it's almost like a principle that cannot see heritage that we cannot see heritage erased in this way. >> i mean, when you talk about it being rebuilt, are you saying exactly in the form it was exactly in the form that it was before? obviously was before? because obviously it was crooked as result of crooked as a result of subsidies, have to be subsidies, it would have to be built in a very unique and perhaps peculiar way to recreate the magic. is that what your the magic. but is that what your vision for this? this vision is for this? well, this is to very hard, isn't it? >> and we're perhaps a little further the story here. >> and we're perhaps a little fur1just the story here. >> and we're perhaps a little fur1just ideally. the story here. >> and we're perhaps a little fur1just ideally. ideally,/ here. >> and we're perhaps a little fur1just ideally. ideally, people >> just ideally. ideally, people want indeed an ideally want it is indeed an ideally that should be so. >> but we've got to just face

reality. going to be rather reality. it's going to be rather challenging exactly challenging to get exactly the quirkiness. the mission that quirkiness. but the mission that we with and the local we set out with and the local authority the power to authority who have the power to demand are exactly the demand this are in exactly the same had discussions same place. i've had discussions with week and that is with them this week and that is what we're setting to do, what we're setting out to do, because matters as a because it matters as a precedent, a principle. because it matters as a preyand nt, a principle. because it matters as a preyand whatprinciple. because it matters as a preyand what about le. owners >> and what about the owners then? difficult, then? it's difficult, this, isn't by the isn't it? it's sold by the marston brewery to private individuals. don't quite know individuals. we don't quite know what their involvement is with any as you say, it's any of this. as you say, it's being investigated by the police. police also police. the police are also looking at a potential arson case. so it's complex case. so it's quite complex std, but can can they be forced to have to rebuild the pub on their own land, land that they own because it's a diktat from somebody in central government or some other body? is that can that actually happen? is it feasible? >> and we are, of course, just going through the detail of the law. >> and it's why it's so interesting what's the power in the law? but my understanding is that the local authority have the to enforce that. but the power to enforce that. but that's just been worked through and we must give time for the

local authority to actually do their investigation and determine that, because this is quite technical legal stuff. but thatis quite technical legal stuff. but that is my hope to be clear as well. on another point, marston sold that pub very legally fine . so there is an underlying point to the citizens watching thinking this is terrible support your local pubs as well. this is an obvious point. they sold it because wasn't sold it because it wasn't trading well. a hard thing trading well. it's a hard thing to but it's to acknowledge, but it's true. so let's support heritage buildings. >> the good people of dudley do help you ensure because you help you to ensure because you seem determined and that seem very determined and that this going to be rebuilt i >> -- >> yeah, -_ >> yeah, so i'm very determined because of what good people because of what the good people of have said. actually so of dudley have said. actually so i say anyone watching i would say to anyone watching from dudley or indeed the other local your has been local areas, your voice has been heard. something heard. you've done something really powerful this week. you've our history. you've said this is our history. we're going defend our we're going to defend our history. proud black history. we're proud black country know our country people. we know of our history. that. history. yes, they've done that. now to leave the local now they have to leave the local authority and the police force and fire service to do their and the fire service to do their investigations. i know investigations. and i know patience is a hard thing to ask for , but it is what's required

for, but it is what's required in this case. >> thank you very much on all of that, andy. move to the that, andy. let's move to the west then and tell me west midlands then and tell me how are things going? obviously we've government's we've got the government's levelling agenda the levelling up agenda. are the government levelling up places like west i know like the west midlands? i know you've bit critical of you've been a bit critical of this kind begging this kind of begging bowl culture some the culture around some of the funding. the funding. yeah what's the situation you? situation for you? >> on since that >> so it's moved on since that that was in march that was back in about march when was critical of the when i was critical of the begging bowl culture, as i called it. and the idea there, there a small pots of money there was a small pots of money allocated through allocated by government through the fund i the levelling up fund, and i didn't that the best didn't believe that was the best way of achieving investment into the west midlands or indeed anywhere else. but actually there's been big since there's been a big move since then and sounds a bit then and it sounds a bit technical, the government technical, but the government have pollution have now agreed a deal pollution deal ourselves and greater deal with ourselves and greater manchester, third deal. and in manchester, a third deal. and in that actually moved to that they actually moved to transferring amounts of transferring large amounts of cash power and decision cash and power and decision making. in principle, there's never enough, is there? but there's a large amount. but the principle that take the principle is that we take the decisions about how decisions locally about how we're going to spend that. they call a single so we take

call it a single pot. so we take those trade off decisions and make sure of our energies make sure all of our energies around transport, around skills, transport, housing, they can sort of be coordinate , edited locally and coordinate, edited locally and that's big breakthrough that's a big breakthrough because if we're deciding rather than asking for little bits from government, get government, hopefully we can get a plan together. >> do you think that the country is up? obviously is being levelled up? obviously in past we've lot in the past we've heard a lot about north—south divides , not about north—south divides, not just divides, maybe just north—south divides, maybe divides between prosperous cities , even in the north and cities, even in the north and left behind towns, particularly seaside towns . what do you think seaside towns. what do you think the picture is, andy? because i think there are people in the north, particularly following the boris johnson and the fall of boris johnson and people voted for brexit, who people who voted for brexit, who don't the government don't think that the government has those promises don't think that the government his those promises don't think that the government his the those promises don't think that the government his the so—called hose promises don't think that the government his the so—called redz promises don't think that the government his the so—called red wall.nises , is the so—called red wall. there are people in those constituencies feeling really, really disillusioned. they feel politically lost. >> because this isn't >> so our because this isn't just a north issue , this applies just a north issue, this applies to the midlands as well . and as to the midlands as well. and as you there are places in the you say, there are places in the south that would be described as by some as behind. so it's by some as left behind. so it's not a north our not just a north issue. our evidence is that evidence of this is that pre—pandemic we were doing very

well. closing that gap. well. we were closing that gap. but actually the pandemic has pushed our performance backwards. so it makes this agenda even more important. and actually what you see because you talk about boris, but what this government under rishi and jeremy hunt, have done, they are investing billions in areas outside of the south—east if i look at our experience, billion pounds for transport investments, huge money for developing skills , huge amounts developing skills, huge amounts of money, and recently half £1 billion more for building affordable homes. so the cash is being put on the table by the government. and what people on the ground want to see is actual delivery. >> now, you say that and maybe when you talk about big checks being written for infrastructure and projects for and other projects for regeneration projects, that's great. but let's be honest. and i ask you also with your former john lewis hat on, the high street is suffering . we've heard street is suffering. we've heard this that wilkinson's this week that wilkinson's wilkos wilko now is people would like to to. it is in like to refer to. it is in administration. it's closing down. we've also had nigel farages campaign about the banks

on this channel revealing that a thousand bank accounts a day are being closed, that we're moving towards this cashless society that closing out smaller that is closing out smaller businesses that in cash . i businesses that deal in cash. i mean, know as well as i do mean, you know as well as i do because must go shopping, because you must go shopping, boarded high streets in boarded out high streets in ability to park where you want ltns and ulez making life difficult for the motorist. it's not contributing to, i would say , an aspirational sort of british town centre, is it? no, it's very challenging at town centres, but but the government should be doing more to help people, shouldn't they? >> but they are already small businesses though. >> andy i think small businesses complain that they're not giving the need. i recall complain that they're not giving the you need. i recall complain that they're not giving the you actuallyneed. i recall complain that they're not giving the you actually madei recall that you actually made a complaint about small businesses, perhaps not being given much help their given as much help with their energy householders . energy bills as householders. >> that's true. so this issue still continues. so let's be fair to the government. first of all, the support for domestic energy users has been incredible , actually. but if you look at business support, i was vociferous earlier in the year

saying those who ended up with a high charge because of what happened at the end of last yean happened at the end of last year, they're sort of locked into that now. a lot of work has been done. i've spoken personally with all the personally with all of the energy actually energy companies about actually this this sort of extending the contracts able people contracts to able people to bfing contracts to able people to bring short term price down bring the short term price down and still and extend. but there are still some left with the high some who are left with the high costs from last year. and i would like to see yes straight answer. i would like to see more action on that because that continues to be particularly for hospitality businesses . that's hospitality businesses. that's very challenging. >> what kind of action, though? i mean, i suppose one way to look it would that the look at it would be that the corporation tax was corporation tax hike was a mistake. clobbered small mistake. it's clobbered small businesses it should be reversed. >> so would like to see the >> so i would like to see the fund that's been put on fund that's already been put on the table. £5 billion from the government for energy support for moment to for businesses at the moment to be more targeted. be much more targeted. not a little bit everybody, but little bit off everybody, but those a real hike those who've got a real hike left beached by year's left beached by last year's arrangements. focus on arrangements. much more focus on those who really, really need it. >> business rate relief and corporation tax. >> always believed that >> i've always believed that business rates are very, very

challenging would to challenging and i would like to see a complete reform of business rates because if you look happening, look at what's happening, the high paying high street is paying disproportionately business high street is paying dispr(and ionately business high street is paying dispr(and otherely business high street is paying dispr(and other new1siness high street is paying dispr(and other new forms; high street is paying dispr(and other new forms of rates and other new forms of business pay a lot less business probably pay a lot less . so there's really big long . so there's a really big long term issue there. corporation tax. would like to see it come tax. i would like to see it come down over time, but let's be honest, the government has got to finances as well. honest, the government has got to what finances as well. honest, the government has got to what would nances as well. honest, the government has got to what would you:es as well. honest, the government has got to what would you like s well. honest, the government has got to what would you like to /ell. honest, the government has got to what would you like to see if >> what would you like to see if corporation tax be? >> because we had somebody on the last saying john the show last week saying john redwood, fact, okay keith redwood, in fact, okay keith thatcherite. same thatcherite. but at the same time it should be 12.5% time he said it should be 12.5% to ireland. to match ireland. >> were at about 19. that >> so we were at about 19. that was very competitor live within the g7. was very competitor live within the 67. if was very competitor live within the g7. if we could get towards back to that that very competitive position. and the government really clear government has been really clear . want get back to that. . they want to get back to that. when finances allow when the public finances allow and can't deny that we're in and we can't deny that we're in and we can't deny that we're in a particularly difficult position sound finance position and good sound finance is a conservative principle . is a conservative principle. >> one final question . the >> one final question. the commonwealth games and the future commonwealth games is in jeopardy because victoria have pulled out. we now that pulled out. we now hear that alberta in canada can't host

2030, could birmingham step in and save day ? and save the day? >> so the interesting phrase, the word in question is the word in that question is could course we could. a could of course we could. a brilliant job was done across birmingham the midlands birmingham and the west midlands last year we've seen all the last year and we've seen all the figures around inward investment, the brand of birmingham the world investment, the brand of birmirenhanced the world investment, the brand of birmirenhanced by. the world being enhanced by. >> you'd like to host should >> so you'd like to host should we, you should i >> -- >> my hm >> my answer to that at the moment is no, because what the commonwealth games needs for its long success is for an long term success is for an australian state to step forward. state to forward. a canadian state to step it wouldn't step forward and it wouldn't be quite if it was just in quite the same if it was just in one location, as we in a one location, much as we in a sense would love to do it again. it's not yet the right answer. >> andy street, lovely to see you thank you. you this morning. thank you. love the midlands. when love to the west midlands. when you thank you much love to the west midlands. when y0lyour thank you much love to the west midlands. when y0lyour time.ank you much love to the west midlands. when y0lyour time. nowou much love to the west midlands. when y0lyour time. now we've much love to the west midlands. when y0lyour time. now we've got uch for your time. now we've got plenty more come on today's plenty more to come on today's show , i'm going be show shortly, i'm going to be speaking longest serving speaking to the longest serving foreign of australia , foreign minister of australia, alexander downer. don't forget, we've also got that exclusive interview robert kennedy interview with robert kennedy junior. he's going to be discussing his political ambitions. wants to take on ambitions. he wants to take on donald trump, also talks

donald trump, but he also talks to about what it like to to us about what it was like to find that his uncle had been find out that his uncle had been assassinated. and then, of course, later, to find course, years later, to find out that father, kennedy, that his father, bobby kennedy, had similar had been killed in similar circumstances . but first circumstances. but first and before that, let's discuss before all that, let's discuss whether the government actually can stop boats with can stop the boats with alexander downer. lovely to see you this morning. >> a great pleasure to be here. >> look, it's not a great weekend, we've seen more weekend, is it? we've seen more deaths the channel while deaths in the channel while we've this. i mean, i'd say we've had this. i mean, i'd say it's a fiasco with the bbc stockholm having to be removed of migrants because of legionnaires. was meant to be legionnaires. it was meant to be the stop the boats week. catherine, people's panel catherine, on our people's panel wanted me to ask you what can the government do to rescue to this? i would say shambolic approach to trying to stop the boats because it's not working. >> alexander well, at the heart of it going to be the third of it is going to be the third country processing of these asylum seekers. and so that is rwanda . yeah, i know. rwanda. yeah, i know. >> but then they've said, as labour have said, they've sent more home secretaries to rwanda than actual deportees. >> well they haven't sent any

deportees to rouen and i think to home secretaries have been to rwanda more than rwanda, so too is more than nought . however, they just have nought. however, they just have to overcome the legal problems they have one way or another. they have to do that. so it's now going to the supreme court. these court hearings and decisions. they just take forever. but they've got they've got to be deterred . and to got to be deterred. and to pursue this this whole rwanda, as we call it, the rwanda option, because as you have to break the business model of the organised crime gangs who are bringing these people across , bringing these people across, you have to break their business model . and it's as simple as model. and it's as simple as this . the people, the asylum this. the people, the asylum seekers pay three ,4,000 per person to come across if they know that they can't get to the uk or can't stay in the uk and will end up in rwanda or

anywhere else, they won't pay the 3 to ,4000 in the first place. when you try to break that business, when you tried it in australia and obviously you successfully put people off landing on australian shores by processing them in nauru, did you have all of these legal challenges? >> i mean, is the difference between us and you, the echr ? sr between us and you, the echr? sr and the fact that we probably have to leave it in order to further our own? so number one policy aims, we anticipate that there would be, you know, what i hear called lefty lawyers . hear called lefty lawyers. >> yeah, lodging, all sorts of cases. there would be a mass of litigation action. so we lined up the laws as best we could to avoid that, to make sure , avoid that, to make sure, because after all, the parliament makes the law, not the lawyers . so the laws were the lawyers. so the laws were substantially changed in australia. i won't go into how we changed them. and secondly , we changed them. and secondly, we changed them. and secondly, we it is a fair point where australia is not part of the european, not part of europe, it's not part of the european convention on human rights. the

uk is the strasbourg court has expanded its remit very substantially over the last few years and that is potentially , years and that is potentially, potentially not for certain, potentially not for certain, potentially a major legal obstacle, but we'll see when the supreme court finally rules on this case. but if the government wins in the supreme court, then more or less figuratively, the next day they can start sending people to rwanda. i'd say the other thing is it's got to be comprehend of everybody who comes across on a small boat like this needs to know they'll end up in rwanda. they all need to know that if we lose in the supreme court, do we then look at leaving the echr? >> well, it depends why the home office would lose in the supreme court. >> it would depend what the court said. it's possible that the could be changed. and the law could be changed. and it's possible that there could be some modification of the scheme in rwanda in extremists, isuppose scheme in rwanda in extremists, i suppose the uk could leave the

european convention and that would be pretty dramatic to leave a convention like that. hopefully the legal problems can be solved without that being necessary. >> know that you did this review into our border force and you gave it to former home secretary priti patel. i just wouldn't mind your analysis of the home office. i mean, back in the day when he was home secretary, i think it was 17 years ago, john reid wasn't fit for reid said it wasn't fit for purpose. the phrase i'm always told about the home office is that basket case. do you that it's a basket case. do you agree with that? it need agree with that? does it need total this time? total reform this time? >> the home office >> i know the home office reasonably well. it's 40,000 people. of them are people. some of them are geniuses and some of them aren't. it has a very, very aren't. so it has a very, very difficult job. some of the work they do , they do very well. they do, they do very well. let's just take this issue of illegal migrants picking them up, bringing them in and processing them , understanding processing them, understanding who has arrived and making sure people don't get here, unaccounted for. they do a

pretty good job. >> i mean, yes , historic high of >> i mean, yes, historic high of 100,000 coming in by the channel over several years, though, since 20 still much higher than it was pre pandemic. >> what they what they it seems like there's a complete lack of grip actually and a lack of distinguishing between people legitimately asylum in legitimately seeking asylum in this country and economic migrants . yes. come come to that migrants. yes. come come to that the so i think there's some of the so i think there's some of the some of the functional things the home office does is actually does quite well. it's easy to be critical, but actually think some of the things they do, they do quite well. is real issue that well. here is a real issue that i don't think is being addressed in the uk and that is why do so many people who apply for refugee status have it granted in the uk where i mean, i stand to be corrected, but i think something like 70, 75% of all applicants applications are approved by the home office, whereas in the eu, in a country

like france, only about 35. this is the question . is the question. >> is it because there are officials in the home office who are anti the government's own immigration policy? no. and a ticking boxes and letting people in when should not sure in when they should not sure it's the i'm not sure of the answer to this but it it's possibly not the officials it's possibly not the officials it's possibly , ali the law. possibly, ali the law. >> yes. and that the government hasn't sufficiently changed the law to define more strictly what a refugee is now, a refugee . he a refugee is now, a refugee. he is meant to be somebody who is fleeing from persecution and looking for, if you like , looking for, if you like, protection, to use the word of the refugee language of the refugee convention, looking for somewhere safe to go. that isn't the same thing as turning somebody into a migrant . no. and somebody into a migrant. no. and what the government is doing is making all people who apply for refugee status, who haven't granted , and we're not sure on granted, and we're not sure on what basis it is being granted,

on what basis they're just fleeing a country that nobody likes as distinct from them personally fleeing persecution. they're personally , personally they're personally, personally being persecuted , and then being persecuted, and then they're turned into migrants . they're turned into migrants. yes. whereas in australia, one of the things we did was with people who were found to be refugees. we gave them temporary protection visas . we said, okay, protection visas. we said, okay, we'll look after you for a year. and at the end of that year we'll review your situation again. and if back home, um, the persecution has come to an end, there's political change or whatever has happened and it's safe for you to go home. we'll send you back home. but our obugafion send you back home. but our obligation is to protect you , obligation is to protect you, not to convert you into a migrant. we have a separate program , um, for migrants and we program, um, for migrants and we decide who comes to australia as and that's what you'd recommend our government does. i would recommend they review a lot of these things that we've been talking about this morning . so talking about this morning. so i think they should introduce

temporary protection visas. i think the home secretary and other ministers, the immigration minister need to look at the definition of refugees . they definition of refugees. they need to look at the refugee convention, look at what the courts have been doing, and ask the question why are so many applications being accept made in the uk whereas they're being rejected in the eu ? all of these rejected in the eu? all of these questions i think , are really questions i think, are really important questions to follow through. >> i mean, these are questions that have been facing the tories for the last 13 years, but alexander downer, thank you very much indeed for your insight. lovely to speak to this lovely to speak to you this morning. very morning. some very good suggestions there. the suggestions there. if only the home secretary and the home office i'm sure office would listen. i'm sure robert indeed robert jenrick and indeed suella braverman be they're braverman will be saying they're doing but it doesn't doing all this, but it doesn't seem to be making much progress. let's olivia in let's go back to olivia in leamington and see what the leamington spa and see what the people's panel made of the people's panel have made of the interviews morning. olivia hello. >> yes , here in leamington spa, >> yes, here in leamington spa, we've been watching your

interviews with a hawkeye and i've seen a few laughs , a few i've seen a few laughs, a few smiles, a few shakes of the head from my people's panel. so let's find out what they've got to say . catherine, i'm going to start with you because you asked a really interesting question, which camilla put alexander which camilla put to alexander downer what you make of his downer. what did you make of his response? there response? did you think there were that could take were tips that we could take from australians handling were tips that we could take fronmigrantstralians handling were tips that we could take fronmigrant crisis?|s handling were tips that we could take fron migrant crisis? yes. handling were tips that we could take fron migrant crisis? yes. yes.dling the migrant crisis? yes. yes. many tips . and i do think that many tips. and i do think that we need to get some more information from him and go forward with many of his ideas. what do you think about britain leaving the convention for human rights, the european convention for human rights? do you think that might only way to that might be the only way to tackle crisis now, or do you tackle the crisis now, or do you think that would be as downer suggested, a very dramatic step and necessary ? uh, and maybe not necessary? uh, dramatic, . but maybe it dramatic, yes. but maybe it could be the only way that we break the cycle . yeah, i think break the cycle. yeah, i think there are plenty who agree with you, including quite a few cabinet ministers. by the sounds of it. and what about of it. and stephen, what about you? what did you make of those interviews that camilla had with

politicians there? >> it's interesting the >> it's interesting about the levelling up. it would be interesting see happens levelling up. it would be intthe;ting see happens levelling up. it would be intthe west see happens levelling up. it would be intthe west midlands. happens levelling up. it would be intthe west midlands. regard ns in the west midlands. regard funding, etcetera, for the youth to be able to bring trainees through. that's really important and to focus on that. so and we need to focus on that. so i'd interested to even have a i'd be interested to even have a further discussion with the mayor to see what we can do to bnng mayor to see what we can do to bring some further funding into the youth . the youth. >> he said that he felt that things moved that things had moved forward, that that was was was that rishi sunak was was was really investing now properly in regions around the uk. as a business owner , i'm not quite in business owner, i'm not quite in andy street's patch, but but very nearly. do you feel as though there's enough government investment in areas like leamington spa we've struggled over the last 18 months, 24 months to find investment for renewable schemes and it's very challenging. >> we've been in the cities, we've been local , you know, we've been local, you know, areas, committees , and we've areas, committees, and we've found it very difficult to draw money into very , very sensible money into very, very sensible schemes for zero, you know, going zero carbon. thank you

very much . very much. >> a really interesting message for andy street and other regional politician like him. and tony, what about you? what did you make of those interviews ? >> well, actually, i 7 >> well, actually, i was most interested in the last interview and about the problems we've got with the home office because i think he was right when he when john read, what, ten years, 15 years ago said that there was something wrong with the home office and we don't seem to have solved it. and i think the delay we're having in passing the refugees and deciding whether or not we can have them or not is just ridiculous. and that's got to be down to the home office, not down the ministers. i not to down the ministers. i don't it any don't think it makes any difference whether labour difference whether you're labour or conservative. at the end of the it's actually the day, it's actually the ministry people in the ministry and people in the ministry and people in the ministry who got to sort ministry who have got to sort themselves out. >> very much. yeah, >> thank you very much. yeah, i think many people are a bit worried a potentially very worried about a potentially very dysfunctional home office. some of geniuses, some of of them are geniuses, some of them is alexander them are not, is how alexander downer diplomatically downer did diplomatically put it. is what people of

it. well, that is what people of leamington spa on our people's panel are thinking. this morning. back to you, morning. but now back to you, camilla in the studio. thank you very much, olivia, catherine, stephen and tony, great people's panellists as ever. >> don't forget, if you want to apply >> don't forget, if you want to apply gbnews.com forward slash panel apply gbnews.com forward slash panel. now, don't go anywhere because be because we're to going be heanng because we're to going be hearing fascinating insight hearing a fascinating insight into america's most into one of america's most prominent political dynasties, a broadcast exclusive interview with robert kennedy jr. that's all after this . whether that all after this. whether that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there. and greg dewhurst . and welcome to your dewhurst. and welcome to your latest news weather looking ahead , it stays rather unsettled ahead, it stays rather unsettled and there'll be quite cloudy skies sunday showers, but it does start to turn warmer through the week. and looking at the bigger picture, low pressure still dominates at the moment, bringing wet and windy weather. but high but out towards wednesday, high pressure build in for pressure starts to build in for the rest of sunday. a fairly

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interviewed democratic presidential hopeful robert kennedy jr in a gb news broadcast exclusive. mr kennedy talks about the painful memories of the assassination of his father , former us attorney father, former us attorney general and senator bobby kennedy and uncle and former president j. f kennedy . kennedy and uncle and former president j. f kennedy. this interview forms part of an upcoming documentary for the 60th anniversary of the assassination of jfk. and we're going to be playing segments throughout today's gb news programming when you decided to run, i mean, of course, you're coming from a family that your uncle was assassinated. >> it was a big shock for the nation, for the whole world. then your father was suddenly did you have a conversation with your wife, cheryl, with your children on should i do it? should i shouldn't i do it? i mean, it's normal, right? i you know, i think all of it everybody in my family is aware of the risk . of the risk. >> but, you know, i think, you know, life is filled with risks. so and i think once cheryl was

convinced that that there was a path to victory and that i think she felt like, you know , because she felt like, you know, because ihave she felt like, you know, because i have a passion to do this, to solve some of these problems for our country. and i'm in a unique position to be able to do that. that she gave me the green light. >> now, do you remember you were very young. you were probably nine years old, right, when your uncle was assassinated . you uncle was assassinated. you remember how you found out about it? >> i was picked up from school early that day. i went to sidwell friends school in washington, dc. and my mother picked us up early and while we were leaving, we saw a man in front of the school, lowering the flag to half mast . and i the flag to half mast. and i asked my mother why he was doing that, and she said that a bad man had shot my uncle and shot uncle jack . and i, you know, uncle jack. and i, you know, then when i went home, my father

was actually walking in the yard with the director of the cia, john mccollum. and he had been the first one to my house because cia was only about maybe a half mile from our house. and henry hill and the director came over every day and swam in our pool over every day and swam in our pool. and my he had he had appeared at our house. my father actually that day, the first call that he made was to the cia, to a to the desk chief and asked and he asked him he was in asked and he asked him he was in a you know, in a state at the time. and he asked, did your people do this ? that was his people do this? that was his first thought. and he called ennque first thought. and he called enrique ruiz , who had been one enrique ruiz, who had been one of the commanders of the cuban brigade. and who was one of the bngade brigade. and who was one of the brigade leaders who had remained very, very close to my father .

very, very close to my father. and he we saw him he came to dinner often. he came on ski vacations with us. and he had fought alongside of castro and then turned on him. and he had been part of the bay of pigs brigade . and he was in brigade. and he was in washington, dc. at a hotel that day. and my father's next call was to him . and he said, did was to him. and he said, did your people do this? and then when mccone came over, he asked him the same question as he walked in the yard. when we came in the driveway, my father left mccain and came up and hugged us and then took us for a walk around the yard and there was a cedar tree at the bottom of our yard and we all sat on and stood under that together. and i, you know, and hugged my dad because we could see how upset he was that he was destroyed . and it that he was destroyed. and it took him it took him many, many months to recover. he walked around like a ghost or for several months after that. and

then we brought him back to new york. i mean, we brought him to the airport, which was extraordinarily because there was 100 he had a he had, you know , he hadn't used the police. know, he hadn't used the police. he hadn't trusted the lapd. and they were very racist at that time. and so he hadn't used them in his campaign and he wouldn't use the j. edgar hoover offered him the fbi . he didn't want the him the fbi. he didn't want the fbi protection because he knew j. edgar hoover would be spying on his campaign. and telling lyndon johnson everything because hoover hated my father and was very close to johnson. and so he used, you know, the dallas cowboys lineman and a few of his a few kind of former us marshals and former fbi people as security. and then when they were they had a convoy of hundreds of motorcycles from the motorcycle gangs around

california and had, you know , california and had, you know, who were following my father. and they all came out to the airport and when we were taking off, they all came out on the runway. and i remember looking out of the window of the plane and seeing the and seeing that the motorcyclists try to stay at pace with the wing of the plane and one of them getting blown off his bike by the power of the engine. and we came back to new york. we waked him at saint patrick's and i was one of the pallbearers. you know, we waked him up overnight. so we didn't an all night vigil. him up overnight. so we didn't an all night vigil . and then an all night vigil. and then i was one of the pallbearers. the next day. and it was an extraordinary, extraordinary moving ceremony this horrible day. >> is it your father is in a los angeles hotel and he's being shot at this point that you're 14, right . how shot at this point that you're 14, right. how did you learn about that ? about that? >> well, i. i was woken up. i

was at that time going to georgetown prep school in washington. i was woken up by a priest at around 5:00 in the morning . and i was told that morning. and i was told that there was a car waiting for me. and he didn't say why. and i went right to hickory hill, which was probably a 15 minute drive to our home. and people , drive to our home. and people, you know, were very upset . and i you know, were very upset. and i remember somebody saying that they were closing all the campaign offices at this point. my campaign offices at this point. my father was not dead . and when my father was not dead. and when they said they were closing the campaign offices , i, campaign offices, i, i understood for the first time that how badly he was injured. and then we went and got on air force two, which is hubert humphrey, the vice president aeroplane as opposed to us one, us, one, us two. and we went to los angeles. so and we went to

the hospital , the good samaritan the hospital, the good samaritan hosphal the hospital, the good samaritan hospital, where my father was. so i was with my father when he died. >> oh, my god. >> oh, my god. >> and, and then we brought him back to new york. i mean, we brought him to the airport, which was extraordinarily because there was 100 he had a he had, you know , he hadn't used he had, you know, he hadn't used the police. he hadn't trusted the police. he hadn't trusted the lapd. and they were very racist at that time. and so he hadnt racist at that time. and so he hadn't used them in his campaign and he wouldn't use the j. edgar hoover offered him the fbi . he hoover offered him the fbi. he didn't want the fbi protection because he knew j. edgar hoover would be spying on his campaign and telling lyndon johnson everything because hoover hated my father and was very close to johnson. and so he used , you johnson. and so he used, you know, the dallas cowboys lineman and a few of his a few kind of former us marshals and former fbi people as security. and then

when they were they had a convoy of hundreds of motorcycles from the motorcycle gangs around california and had , you know, california and had, you know, who were following my father. and they all came out to the airport. and when we were taking off, they all came out on the runway . and i remember looking runway. and i remember looking out of the window of the plane and seeing that the motorcyclists try to stay at pace with the wing of the plane. and one of them getting blown off his bike by the power of the engine . and we came back to new engine. and we came back to new york. we waked him at st bart's at saint patrick's . and i was at saint patrick's. and i was one of the pallbearers . you one of the pallbearers. you know, we waked him up overnight . so we did an all night vigil. and then i was one of the pallbearers, the next day. and it was an extra extraordinary moving ceremony and, you know, inspired hiring and, you know ,

inspired hiring and, you know, heartbreaking at the same time. and i remember while we were carrying struggling with his coffin down the steps of saint patrick's , a very, very large patrick's, a very, very large black woman collapsed on the steps. and then she was waving a handkerchief at him at the coffin and saying to him, look, you've done your best. you've done your best. and it was very it was a moment that just, you know, stabbed me in the chest that was documentary filmmaker daphne barak interviewing robert kennedy jr as part of an upcoming documentary for the 60th anniversary of the assassination of jfk. >> if you want to see the full interview with robert kennedy jr. go to gbnews.com now, don't go anywhere because we've still got two of margaret thatcher's favourite mps, sir gerald howarth and michael portillo to come back in a jiffy

news. the people's channel, britain's news . news. the people's channel, britain's news. channel >> welcome back to the camilla tominey show. now, ordinarily we have a general gap in this segment. i'm going to call this my panel of wisdom because i'm joined former defence joined by former defence minister gerald howarth and minister sir gerald howarth and former state for former secretary of state for defence, portillo. is defence, michael portillo. is that enough chaps? panel of that fair enough chaps? panel of wisdom. i think. let's into wisdom. i think. let's get into some serious topics. let's talk about threat from china about the threat from china because know what your because i don't know what your feeling is, gerard, but i think there's been this sense to which there's been this sense to which the have underestimated the the uk have underestimated the threat from china quite some threat from china for quite some time. know there's isc

time. i know there's an isc report saying exactly that and actually we look at russia, but china really the main threat that we're facing right now, particularly when it comes to cyber attacks spying. cyber attacks and spying. >> russia is the immediate threat. >> if we do not ensure that >> and if we do not ensure that putin and his henchmen are expelled from the territory that they have seized unlawfully in ukraine, that will send a very serious message to the rest of the world that the west is not resolved and to deal with this form of international terrorism . and china will be looking on with great care. she has made it perfectly clear that by 2050, he expects taiwan to be reincorporated in china, in the people's republic of china, by force or otherwise , as he has force or otherwise, as he has been for the past 10 or 15 years, turning uninhabited atolls in the south china sea into military bases , building up into military bases, building up his armaments and of course, buying up all our technology , buying up all our technology, buying up all our technology, buying up all our technology, buying up resources throughout the world. the biggest copper mines are to be found in

afghanistan . china has bought afghanistan. china has bought all those up and buying up a lot of africa as well, buying up a huge amount of africa. and it is a very, very serious threat. and if we now find ourselves buying a load of cars from china , a load of cars from china, people think that mg motor cars friend of mine has bought one says, oh it's built britain. says, oh, it's built in britain. it's it's built in china, it's not. it's built in china, thai, thailand india . and all thai, thailand or india. and all the electronic devices could be a threat to us. and the international, the committee on security and intelligence, probably the most authoritative committee in the in parliament found in 2013 that who are we was a potential threat. yes so it took it's taken us ten years really to recognise what the security so the government has been asleep at the wheel . been asleep at the wheel. >> i think they've been keen to try to develop good relations with china in the hope that china would come on board. >> but it's an authoritarian state. it, it is engaged in

cyber the likes of osborne and co cosied up to xi jinping being naive . i think that they were naive. i think that they were wishful thinking at the time . wishful thinking at the time. but the evidence now is crystal clear and we would be very foolish if we did not recognise the threat that we face from them. >> let's bring michael into the conversation. do you think it's a case of when not if. xi jinping invades taiwan? >> no, i don't think it's as clear cut as that at all, because i think china's aspiration is pretty much to take over the world without firing bullet, at all firing a bullet, if at all possible. and i think that is very important. how will it very important. so how will it take firing a take over without firing a bullet? the things bullet? all the things that shareholders mentioned? then shareholders mentioned? and then i that the i would add to that the infiltration of british universities, is universities, which i think is extremely serious, right. must extremely serious, right. i must absolutely be put on the agenda. but if we're right that they prefer not to fire a bullet over taiwan, then we to make taiwan, then we have to make sure it would be very sure that it would be very difficult to occupy difficult for them to occupy taiwan. and would say they're taiwan. and i would say they're very shore very important to shore up pubuc very important to shore up public opinion taiwan public opinion in taiwan because, course , efforts will because, of course, efforts will because, of course, efforts will be made to undermine the support for regime. taiwan needs to

for the regime. taiwan needs to receive the support and armaments that it needs and it is, after all, an island. and although china is an enormously powerful power to invade an island across open sea puts you open to many hazards and casualties and could lead to a prolonged war in the way that russia is involved in ukraine. i don't think china wants any of those things. so i think there are all sorts of ways in which we can deterrence the we can build deterrence into the situation , because i think china situation, because i think china really would prefer not to fight a bullet, not to be involved in a bullet, not to be involved in a prolonged campaign. >> back to as i've >> gerald, back to you. as i've described as a wise can described you as a wise owl, can you me perhaps three you give me perhaps three things? you think that this tory government in order to government should do in order to win the general election in 2024? >> i'll give you one thing. i think they should adopt conservative policies. yes. sound money, strong defence, law and order at home, and help for those who genuinely cannot help themselves. there's no doubt. you've been discussing with alexander downer, a former australian foreign minister,

about the migrant crisis that we face, and that is an absolute imperative that we get that right . right. >> do you think that rishi sunaks administration is not tory enough ? tory enough? >> well, my son in law is part of that administration. i know defence minister, so i and i do have the opportunity of talking to him about these matters . it to him about these matters. it is pretty tory, but i think it needs to be much more explicit. i think that increasing corporation tax to 25% was a big mistake . we're trying to attract mistake. we're trying to attract inward investment, not repel it, and we face a very serious threat from a labour party which is run led by a man who was an arch supporter , the most left arch supporter, the most left wing labour leader we've had since michael foot and jeremy corbyn. so he represents a very serious threat, a wealth tax might be on the cards, a tax on second homes, vat , inheritance second homes, vat, inheritance tax, the whole lot. this is a very, very red in tooth and claw labour party standing ready and waiting in the wings. so be

careful what you wish for when . careful what you wish for when. absolutely. i must go to michael quickly to find out who you've got on your show. >> at 11. we will be talking about the appalling leak of information in northern ireland, which putting police which is putting the police service danger. service in grave danger. >> have an ethical >> we'll have an ethical debate about levelling is it is it about levelling up. is it is it pointless? should be pointless? should we not be trying to up cities that trying to level up cities that are yesterday's and are yesterday's cities? and we've marvellous man we've got a marvellous man called eric kaufman, who's coming talk about the coming to on talk about the origins wokery and may origins of wokery and what may happen societies where we happen to societies where we presently a white majority. presently have a white majority. but won't wise but in the future we won't wise words from two wise owls. >> thank you very much indeed for this morning. forjoining me this morning. looking forward to your show in just moment, michael. now, just a moment, michael. now, i won't next week because won't be back next week because i'm taking a well holiday won't be back next week because i'tom king a well holiday won't be back next week because i'tom harwoodell holiday won't be back next week because i'tom harwoodell going holiday won't be back next week because i'tom harwoodell going ibeday . tom harwood is going to be filling for me. he'll be back filling in for me. he'll be back next week at 930. and of course, as i've mentioned, up next next week at 930. and of course, asmichael mentioned, up next next week at 930. and of course, asmichael portillo.1ed, up next next week at 930. and of course, asmichael portillo. first,p next is michael portillo. first, though, of weather . though, a bit of weather. >> it looks like things are heating up, boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news.

sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> hello there and greg dewhurst. and welcome to your latest gb news weather . looking latest gb news weather. looking ahead, it stays rather unsettled. there'll be quite cloudy skies sunday showers, but it does start to turn warmer through the week. and looking at the bigger picture, low pressure still dominates at the moment, bringing wet and windy weather. but towards wednesday, high pressure starts to build in for the rest of sunday. a fairly cloudy picture out there. winds lighter than yesterday. less showers around to some of the showers around to some of the showers could be heavy across parts of scotland, northern ireland, plenty of dry ireland, but plenty of dry weather, though. skies quite grey. there will be a few glimmers of sunshine and that will temperatures to around will lift temperatures to around 22 23 celsius towards the 22 or 23 celsius towards the south—east. generally the high teens 20s most into teens to low 20s for most into the evening time. this area of low pressure starts to move in. wet weather spreading in to the west country. of wales west country. parts of wales later on in the evening and then that slowly pushes north and eastwards. heavy eastwards. some really heavy rain across northern rain developing across northern

parts wales into northern parts of wales into northern england we into the england as we head into the early hours, staying dry across northern and scotland northern ireland and scotland and fairly warm night across and a fairly warm night across the board. so a wet start to monday morning across england and wales. heavy rain at times slowly pushing north and eastwards . the met office eastwards. the met office warning force much of the warning in force for much of the day. dry and brighter for scotland and northern ireland, with plenty spells but with plenty of sunny spells but scattered heavy showers here and temperatures under the cloud feeling quite cool , struggling feeling quite cool, struggling to reach much above 17 or 18 degrees. 21 or 22 towards the south—east looks like things are heating up . heating up. >> boxed boilers, proud sponsors of weather on .

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gb news. >> good morning and welcome to sunday with michael portillo. on this day of rest let us stroll together through fields of arts, culture, politics and ethical debate and our first stride. we will look ahead the relentless electoral clock ticks ever more loudly for rishi sunak. electoral clock ticks ever more

loudly for rishi sunak . with loudly for rishi sunak. with just over a year at most before he must face the voters, our political panellists will make predictions for the parliamentary year in westminster as northern ireland remembers the omagh bombing of 25 years ago today , the 25 years ago today, the province's police service is reeling from a data breach of grave significance. the name rank and operational base of every police officer in the province were accidentally released to the public in response to a freedom of information request . it's the information request. it's the kind of intelligence that republican terrorists might literally kill for, and they claim to have the material. i'll speak to former ulster unionist leader and policing board member mike nesbitt. leader and policing board member mike nesbitt . while the west's mike nesbitt. while the west's history is riven with battles over religion, nationality and class, a current political contest is over identity . contest is over identity. professor eric kaufmann, one of the great chroniclers of that new struggle, has written on everything from populism to political correctness. and he will help me to understand the world in which we live now. later in this first hour, stefan

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