on the mend. are we turning a corner.7 and britain's. speaking of which, it is the work from home capital of europe. what does that mean? are we really progressive and forward thinking or are we just burn idle and your council tax ? do you feel your council tax? do you feel like you're getting value for money? it is going up and up, isn't it? is it time now to freeze it? yes or no? and humza yousaf says that we've got a toxic masculine problem and that men need to step up and fix it.

what does that even mean? he reckons that we need to demonstrate what a positive male identity looks like to young boys and men . so what does it boys and men. so what does it look like? i don't know. you tell me. but i do find it a bit rich that politicians that can't even tell the difference between men and women seem to want a lecturers like this. what do you reckon? all to come reckon? we've got it all to come and more. but before we get into it, let's get ourselves up to speed tonight's latest speed with tonight's latest headunes speed with tonight's latest headlines middlehurst headlines with polly middlehurst . michelle thank you and good evening to you. >> when we start this bulletin with some breaking news that a member of staff has been dismissed out and the metropolitan police are investigating after a number of items british museum in items from the british museum in london found to be missing london were found to be missing , stolen damaged . they are , stolen or damaged. they are believed to have gone missing from storerooms. and those items include , we understand, include, we understand, gold jewellery , semi—precious stones jewellery, semi—precious stones and glass dating from the 15th to the 19th century. those are

the details we have at the moment. one staff member has been sacked at the british museum in london after items were found to be missing, stolen or damaged. more on that, of course, as we get it. in the meantime, economists say the uk still faces a very real risk of falling into recession, despite today's drop in inflation. the prime minister says the inflation figures, which don't include housing costs like mortgage payments, prove that the government's plan is working . but the ipp are think tank warns that rising interest rates could cause the economy to contract . latest figures from contract. latest figures from the office for national statistics found the consumer price index inflation or cpi, dropped to 6.8% in the year to july. the deputy labour leader, angela rayner says the government needs to do more . government needs to do more. >> inflation has been at record levels and people are paying significantly for their daily living costs. and whilst the inflation rate might have slowed down, it still means that the cost of living is going up but

at a slower rate and that at a time when people are paying record amounts for their mortgage, their rent, their food, their energy prices. that is no comfort to the people of this country . this country. >> and police have released new images of the suspect in the home of phobic attack outside a nightclub in southwest london. cctv footage shows a suspect on a bus in thornton heath at around half eight on sunday, just under two hours before the victims were hurt. two men, aged in their 20s and 30 were outside a club on clapham high street when they were stabbed in an unprovoked attack that's been treated as a hate crime . now, gb treated as a hate crime. now, gb news can reveal the number of migrants crossing the channel on small boats. this year has passed 17,000, almost 500 people on board. several small boats have already been taken to dover harbour today, having arrived in the early hours of this morning . uk border force has spent the day on red alert. it says during what's been an extremely busy time for migrant activity . time for migrant activity. that's another breaking news we

received this afternoon here at gb news junior doctors in scotland have all voted now to accept a pay offer from the scottish government . that means scottish government. that means they'll receive a pay rise of 12.4% and it's going to be backdated to april. scotland's health secretary michael matheson says he very pleased with the result . right now, as with the result. right now, as you've been hearing on gb news throughout today, a comedy show featuring the comedy writer graham linehan that was cancelled at the edinburgh fringe festival has now found a new venue. ticket holders will be informed of the location for tomorrow's show shortly before it's due to commence. well, speaking to gb news earlier today, graham linehan said he thought the days of comedians being silenced for their views were over . we re ove r. >> were over. >> well, obviously i'm not the lgbt+ movement's favourite person so i understand the pressure. they're under. however, they they they could have given me a chance to exit the gig and allow the other acts

to perform. they could have done it without defaming me on their instagram post as a bigot, which is the first thing these people always do . so, you know , always do. so, you know, unfortunately, we are we are beginning legal proceedings. i mean, we at least once an apology and some sort of payment to a group like, you know , lgb to a group like, you know, lgb alliance or someone like that, someone who's fighting all this stuff . stuff. >> graham linehan speaking there . now, nigel farage is urging the transport secretary to block the transport secretary to block the expansion of the ultra low emission zone or ulez, to the outskirts of london. he says mark harper could in fact use section 143 of the greater london authority act to block the expansion in london will be extended to the whole of . london extended to the whole of. london on august the 29th. now you may have heard england are now through to their first ever women's world cup final after

beating hosts australia 3—1 in sydney. ella toone put the lionesses in front in the first half before australia equalised through sam kerr. in the second goals from lauren hemp and alessia russo sealed the win for england to book their place in sunday's final against spain. congrats to them . now, if you're congrats to them. now, if you're heading abroad on friday, remember to pack an umbrella . a remember to pack an umbrella. a thunderstorm is set to hit parts of the uk. a yellow wind warning has been issued for the west parts of wales and storms are expected to hit us late on friday. they'll sweep in across the country into the early hours of saturday, but it isn't all bad. cloud are expected to clear in time for a sunny weekend . in time for a sunny weekend. this is gb news across the uk on your tv in your car, on your digital radio and now on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news.

channel >> thanks for that , polly. i'm >> thanks for that, polly. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me, the writer and broadcaster connor tomlinson and the co—founder of novara media , aaron bastani. novara media, aaron bastani. good , gents. i found good evening, gents. i found that story, aaron quite interesting that polly was just mentioning. it was not on my roster for tonight, but it is nonetheless about the doctors in scotland. so they've now stepped up and accepted that 12.4% pay offer. i think that puts the junior doctors in england who are still negotiating and pushing for what they want affects 5. i think it puts them in quite an interesting position. now, what do you reckon ? reckon? >> it does, but it also puts the government in an interesting position, doesn't because position, doesn't it, because you the template from you now have the template from north border, is north of the border, which is this the kind of figure this is the kind of figure you would to deescalate things would need to deescalate things here england. so junior here in england. so junior doctors might we want 20, doctors might say we want 20, 25% to get back to where we were in terms in 2010. in real terms in 2010. realistically, the government can well, if we give you can say, well, if we give you 12, that should be enough, 12, 13, that should be enough, because that's what they're

taking so it's an taking in scotland. so it's an interesting i agree with interesting one. i agree with you. it's movement and it changes the nature of the debate here colin any thoughts? >> yeah, i think we're going to be in a sort of pay arms, be stuck in a sort of pay arms, right, with the public sector until they get a handle not only on government on inflation, government continually mismanaging the economy, terms of economy, but just in terms of institutional we institutional efficiency. we know a lot trickle up know there's a lot of trickle up in of the nhs bureaucracy, in terms of the nhs bureaucracy, both their tech both in the fact that their tech is behind the times and so they're wasting a lot of money chasing missing. chasing papers that go missing. i bits in the i myself have had bits in the past just disappear and past that just disappear and i've had to do follow up appointments, but also the majority pay is not majority of the pay is not reaching frontline who reaching the frontline staff who are most to deserve are probably the most to deserve it. if they cut down on it. so if they cut down on institutional bloat and overhead management, institutional bloat and overhead managen money institutional bloat and overhead managenmoney might reach the the more money might reach the front lines. >> i have to say i'm going >> yeah, i have to say i'm going off with that story, but off piece with that story, but it did just catch my ears and i wonder what think to that at wonder what you think to that at home. debated it often, home. we debated it often, having junior doctors, having those junior doctors, they restoration 2008, they want restoration back 2008, about or thereabouts. about 35% there or thereabouts. and the government and currently the government here absolutely here are having absolutely none of a bit of of that. and we've got a bit of

a stalemate, haven't you a stalemate, haven't we? if you ask me, there now becoming a ask me, is there now becoming a little bit political? those negotiate sharing that negotiate the bma sharing that news they've accepted news that they've accepted that offer twitter thread. offer on their twitter thread. the tweet from them on the second tweet from them on their thread is a doctor their twitter thread is a doctor saying just two weeks being saying just two weeks into being a doctor, i've gone on strike and i vote strike and i vote it's a strike further. i found it further. well, i found it fascinating. you're only two fascinating. if you're only two weeks doctor training, weeks into your doctor training, then the pair then surely you knew the pair when you joined that profession. so why are you going on strike two joining? get two weeks after joining? to get paid what it was, paid back to what it was, however many years prior to even joining profession? don't joining that profession? i don't know. me what you make know. you tell me what you make to i've got a lot to all of that. i've got a lot coming up way. inflation. coming up your way. inflation. i want talk to you about want to talk to you about council tax working from home and toxic masculinity. what does that and is that even mean? and what is a good role model ? i don't good male role model? i don't know. you tell me. gb views gb news is how you get hold of me. or you can tweet me at gb news. let's kick off then , shall we, let's kick off then, shall we, with inflation, did you see the news today? inflation was down by 1.1. many people are talking about it. i have to say, it was

predicted to come down and now there's this whole conversation about whether or not governments are doing measures that are kind of having this impact. jeremy hunt, i think i can show you a tweet he put out today. tweet that he put out today. basically taking credit for it coming down. he's saying the decisive action we've taken to tackle inflation is working . the tackle inflation is working. the rate now stands at its lowest level level since last level level since february last yeah he level level since february last year. he says whilst price rises are slowing, we're not at the finish line yet. and just to recap, it came in july , 6.8. and recap, it came in july, 6.8. and that versus 7.9% in june . rishi that versus 7.9% in june. rishi sunak's, one of his five point plans, was to half inflation, bnng plans, was to half inflation, bring inflation rate down. we're still massively over the 2% target. what do you make of it all? >> i'm kind of sick of the discourse of it because, one, most people don't know what inflation actually means because the government has misled them into thinking. it means price rises when. no, it's actually the of based on the the rate of change based on the amount money that's in the amount of money that's in the system. and the reason that

inflation has gotten worse is because injected and because they injected lots and lots the system. and lots of money in the system. and at same doing the at the same time as doing the interest hikes. the bank of interest rate hikes. the bank of england is the only bank in the world that's also trying to sell off its bonds. so it's playing a really risky strategy considering on considering we're so reliant on the chinese the american and chinese economies the economies as well. and the second one most of the stats second one is most of the stats are just dishonest because in the cpi they've taken and the cpi they've taken food and fuel out basket of goods fuel out of the basket of goods that calculating the that they're calculating the main the people main necessities, the people have. have fallen have. house prices have fallen a minuscule fraction of a percentage. they're still compared 20, 30 years ago. compared to 20, 30 years ago. >> depends on which >> but it depends on which measure because measure you look at because you've you've got rpi, you've got cpi, you've got rpi, you've got cpi, you've got rpi, you've inflation. so you've got core inflation. so different include different measures include different measures include different put different things. some will put your in, some will take your housing in, some will take your housing in, some will take your food so there are all your food in. so there are all different depending different measures depending on what so to what basket of goods, so to speak. want to measure, speak. people want to measure, but they're representing it off of claiming victory of the cpi and claiming victory when with fuel when as well with the fuel prices, forget prices, let people not forget they're using their taxes they're still using their taxes to keep the energy price cap in place. >> so we're still paying for it by the back door. so they haven't really done except haven't really done much except slowly their mess slowly clean up their mess at a less fast rate . that is

less fast rate. that is plundering our pocketbooks than before. so i don't think we should really be impressed by this. it'sjust should really be impressed by this. it's just mismanagement all way down. what do you all the way down. what do you feel home? feel like a home? >> do you feel like your price pressures easing? you pressures are easing? do you feel a little feel like you've got a little bit extra cash? do feel bit of extra cash? do you feel any different all or you any different at all or do you still feel massive squeeze? still feel that massive squeeze? i still feel like a lot of people are taking the absolute michael, comes to how michael, when it comes to how much raising much they're raising their prices. am absolutely prices. i am absolutely convinced say this as a convinced and i do say this as a capitalist, i am a capitalist. i do believe profit and all the do believe in profit and all the rest of but i am convinced rest of it. but i am convinced that are hiking that people are just hiking profits they profits because they know they can get away with it. yeah. anyway, what do make of the anyway, what do you make of the whole inflation chart? >> pick up on point >> i'll pick up on that point you just there in a second. you just made there in a second. >> but firstly, for people out there, we've got 6.8% there, so we've got 6.8% inflation now. rishi sunak inflation right now. rishi sunak is saying it's going to be 5.3% by the end of the year. as you've said, the target you've already said, the target from bank of england is, of from the bank of england is, of course 2. and the unspoken rule is, or actually the very much spoken but perhaps it's spoken rule, but perhaps it's going be on the back

going to be put on the back burner. is that for long burner. now is that for as long as is above 2, the as inflation is above 2, the base of interest up base rate of interest goes up presently. this matters for presently. and this matters for anybody has anybody watching who has a mortgage even rents. and mortgage or even who rents. and your has a mortgage. your landlord has a mortgage. presently, the base rate of interest is 5.25. what really interest is 5.25. what it really means we should be means is that we should be seeing rate rises all seeing further rate rises all the way to next year. if the way through to next year. if the way through to next year. if the bank of england do what they're do. so we are they're meant to do. so we are maybe base rate of maybe looking at a base rate of interest seven, 7.5% in the interest of seven, 7.5% in the first several months of 2024. that's not good news for the average punter, but the way that jeremy talks about this, jeremy hunt talks about this, you he would you you think he would have you know, delivered the know, he's he's delivered the golden fleece and important to say what's happening now with regards to falling inflation is, as you said, price rise are slowing, but they are still rising. and the thing about profiteering, so true , what profiteering, so true, what we've seen really over the last 18 months is companies say to their employees, sorry , their employees, sorry, inflation is 10, we can't give you a pay rise in line with inflation. will you take a pay rise of 5? and they say to their customers, look, inflation is

10. we've got to put our prices up 10. we've got to put our prices ”p by 10. we've got to put our prices up by 12. so they're screwing the consumer, screwing the employee off earns the benefit of shareholders very, very, very bad . and it's very distasteful, bad. and it's very distasteful, i think, to see jeremy hunt crowing the way he is. >> why? because of ours? jeremy hunt because i actually don't think that they can take credit because don't think that because i don't think that it's anything that they're doing particularly bringing particularly which is bringing it i was jeremy it down. but if i was jeremy hunt, i'd be sitting there thinking , on hunt, i'd be sitting there thinking, on second. when thinking, hang on a second. when anything wrong. so when anything goes wrong. so when these are these inflation figures are going direction, going the wrong direction, everyone instantly point everyone instantly will point the fingers at sunak. so if the fingers at sunak. hunt so if i'm going to take it when it's going in the wrong direction, i'll be sure i'm going take i'll be sure i'm going to take it it's going in the right it when it's going in the right direction. that's what i'd be thinking. involves yeah. thinking. involves him. yeah. >> back to what >> look, it goes back to what i was saying regards to sunak was saying with regards to sunak sort speculating on it being sort of speculating on it being 5.3% at the of the year. 5.3% at the end of the year. we're in august, we're in we're in august, we're still in the it's a bit like the summer. it's a bit like saying, if manchester saying, look, if manchester united win all their games between december 24th, between now and december 24th, they'll of the premier they'll be top of the premier league christmas. maybe league by christmas. if maybe perhaps on the substantial

points, though, we still have far higher inflation than somewhere like the united states, because of states, and that is because of long government failure on long term government failure on things energy and food things like energy and food security so i know what you're security. so i know what you're saying. i think you're right. they're that's what they're politicians. that's what they could argue that's they do. one could argue that's what do, but it what they have to do, but it still leaves, i a bit of still leaves, i think, a bit of a sour taste in the mouth. i think jeremy hunt thinks he has to this as well, because to do this as well, because there's report recently that there's a report recently that came that alongside came out that said alongside rishi not going rishi sunak probably not going to october near to the un in october near conservative party conference, to the un in october near cormight ive party conference, to the un in october near cor might ive party conference , he might coincide conference with shake up. with the cabinet shake up. >> there were rumours that >> and there were rumours that hunfs >> and there were rumours that hunt's on the hunt's job might be on the chopping because he's done chopping block because he's done basically nothing. so he might be trying to come out and give himself good pr to not get kicked the chancellor kicked out of the chancellor position. maybe they're kicked out of the chancellor posi ally. maybe they're kicked out of the chancellor posi all trying maybe they're kicked out of the chancellor posi all trying because they're kicked out of the chancellor posi all trying because this re kicked out of the chancellor posi all trying because this is just all trying because this is the that the criticism as well that people for example, to people will give for example, to people will give for example, to people like sunak, that they're not these front footed, kind not these big front footed, kind of out there, you know, of ballsy out there, you know, like rambunctious. of ballsy out there, you know, like raijusttious. of ballsy out there, you know, like raijust kind of the >> they just kind of behind the scenes their heads down, scenes keeping their heads down, keeping along. keeping things ticking along. and what british and maybe that's what british politics bit. politics needs for a little bit. >> i think so. i think >> i don't think so. i think they're acting the middle

they're acting like the middle managers global managers of a global constituency, as everyone's kind managers of a global co goingency, as everyone's kind managers of a global co goingency, decline yone's kind managers of a global co goingency, decline and s kind managers of a global co goingency, decline and this1d of going into decline and this is is want to do then get is this is want to do then get their fingers out of the mismanagement of economy, mismanagement of the economy, stop bringing over stop just bringing people over so count per head so they can count per head increased rates and increased rates of gdp. and factoring because factoring in that because government spending is factored into gdp , keep raising taxes into the gdp, keep raising taxes so can look like so that they can look like they're their way of they're growing their way out of a because is all a problem because growth is all they about, they can't they care about, but they can't actually it's actually deliver growth. so it's just game of optics. i'd quite just a game of optics. i'd quite like to gaslighting like them to stop gaslighting the public and taxing me to death. >> do you feel gaslit? >> do you feel gaslit? >> i think that's something too. i there's something i think there's something to that and i also do think it's the for bold solutions. the time for bold solutions. michel said michel know you said rambunctious. need rambunctious. i think we need somebody bit more of your somebody with a bit more of your personality somebody personality type than somebody like careful what wish for >> oh, careful what you wish for punching charge of the punching me in charge of the country's purse. good. >> know. okay, maybe >> well, you know. okay, maybe not kwarteng, you not kwasi kwarteng, but, you know, i there's a happy know, i think there's a happy medium. think, look, medium. and i think, look, something like vat cuts. i've said the show, 5% said it before on the show, a 5% cuts of vat for 12 months would help so small businesses help so many small businesses out something out there. but that's something that's small, which wouldn't really earth, but it

really cost the earth, but it would so many small would really help. so many small and sized businesses and medium sized businesses out there the there is not even in the conversation now, might say, conversation now, you might say, we it. we shouldn't do we can't do it. we shouldn't do it. we can't afford it. it's not evenin it. we can't afford it. it's not even in the conversation because, said, because, as was already said, what guys are in the what these guys are in the business really that business of is really just that ministering. i decline the ministering. i think decline the question how quickly. you question is how quickly. you know, jeremy hunt thinks he could administer slower could administer slightly slower decline. i think this country can than that. can do better than that. >> i do think but >> you see, i do think but i blame media for a lot of the blame the media for a lot of the problems this country. and i problems in this country. and i know that's a bit odd because i do sit in the media, but i'd like to think i operate slightly differently within but differently within it. but i think that when people are bowled propose bowled and they do propose completely bowled and they do propose compl

think truss and kwasi, think of liz truss and kwasi, they bold solution. they did have bold solution. they points of they did have points of difference. and they did have what like radical what some would say like radical solutions. actually it solutions. i think actually it wouldn't bad wouldn't have been such a bad programme have done programme for them to have done some of their ideas also that quickly, look, i don't agree with the things they with lots of the things they were saying. >> will say is i don't >> what i will say is i don't think consequences think the consequences ultimately any ultimately would have been any worse we're presently worse than what we're presently seeing don't think seeing now. i don't think because we changed the chancellor and the pm, suddenly britain this britain has been set up in this fantastically different direction, much better situation we're i think we're facing in 2024. i think broadly downsides we're facing in 2024. i think broacas downsides we're facing in 2024. i think broacas bad downsides we're facing in 2024. i think broacas bad as downsides we're facing in 2024. i think broacas bad as what downsides we're facing in 2024. i think broacas bad as what we're1sides we're facing in 2024. i think broacas bad as what we're seeing were as bad as what we're seeing already. hey, you know what? already. and hey, you know what? maybe have maybe the upsides would have been so they're my been better. so they're not my cup tea, i don't think cup of tea, but i don't think you're necessarily wrong. >> view, says >> broadly, my view, says michel, was skint ten years michel, i was skint ten years ago skint today. ago and i'm still skint today. so. no, i don't any so. so, no, i don't feel any different at all. i'm going to be a nosey parker and ask you at home, you had a pay rise? home, have you had a pay rise? if what kind of% if certain, what kind of% because 8.2% is apparently the average that have been average pay rise that have been dished are one of those dished out. are you one of those people? did you get more? did you less? you get you get less? did you get anything at all? your thoughts?

i you about the i want to talk to you about the way we work in country. do way we work in this country. do you britain is the working you know britain is the working from europe? do from home capital of europe? do you celebrate this? do you think this is progress or do you think it's reflective of people being burnt, us consumers burnt, idle and us consumers having to accept

>> you're listening to news radio . radio. >> hello there, michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. writer and broadcaster connor tomlinson, alongside co—founder of novara media, aaron bastani keeps me company. bob on twitter, says hunt and sunak taking credit for inflation falling today is a slap in the face to british public. he says. they honestly must think we're stupid to believe that they're doing a good job when at the start they were saying there weren't responsible for inflation rising at all. but i'll throw it out there to you. if i was. you get there to you. if i was. you get the blame for everything anywhere done right. i'd be taking the credit. i'd play people at their own game, mark says government they says this government said they would by would half inflation by

december. are december. he says they are on track do so . john says i've track to do so. john says i've got twice as much disposable income i had a year ago. income than i had a year ago. i'm retired. no i'm retired. i've got no mortgage savings now on better mortgage savings now on a better rate interest my pension rate of interest and my pension has the biggest rise than has had the biggest rise than ever before feel better ever before and i feel better off i've been for several off than i've been for several years. there'll be a woman years. there'll be many a woman out there wondering if you're single. john with financial statistics can tell statistics like that, i can tell you, britain it is the you, right. britain it is the european working from home caphal european working from home capital. apparently which has got me wondering is this a good thing or not? i would basically like a bunch of massive progressives or a little bit burn idol . and what is the burn idol. and what is the ramification of all of this working i'll give you working from home? i'll give you an example. 95% of hmrc c staff now spend at least one day a week working from home and their customer service has dropped. i quote to unaware acceptable levels . i quote to unaware acceptable levels. i mean, i've got quote to unaware acceptable levels . i mean, i've got to say levels. i mean, i've got to say , right, aaron, i think something has changed in the british psyche since covid. and i think that we are now we've

come to almost accept, even begrudgingly. absolutely diabolical service . you ring diabolical service. you ring a company now, no matter who it is, and you almost no . two know is, and you almost no. two know what, i'm going to put my phone down there. i'll stick it on hold and i'll go off and do whatever, do the dishes, whatever, do the dishes, whatever i'm going do, whatever i'm going to do, because they're going to because i know they're going to take but it's not take ages, but it's not acceptable. so i i'm acceptable. so i guess i'm pondenng acceptable. so i guess i'm pondering things is pondering two things today is working from home, you know, all these people going is it these people going off, is it progressive? is something we progressive? is it something we should or is it should encourage or is it absolutely service? >> huge. absolutely >> it's huge. it is absolutely huge. happening with work huge. what's happening with work from home? it's a it's a revolution in we work in our revolution in how we work in our game, in journalism. i think you can absolutely work from home. let's say you do a five day week, you can work from home two days a week. for instance, if you're writing things. i actually like working from home because deep work, actually like working from home bectcan't deep work, actually like working from home bectcan't be deep work, actually like working from home bectcan't be interrupted.ep work, actually like working from home bectcan't be interrupted.ep vyyou you can't be interrupted. do you have well, one's on the have kids? well, one's on the way. well there you go. that's exactly. >> i want to talk to you in a year's time. >> exactly. no, no, that's absolutely that's absolutely true. the moment, my true. but at the moment, my presence i can

presence situation is i can definitely more intensely definitely work more intensely at in the at home than i can in the office. that's i think it's hugely important for people to be i think that's be in the office. i think that's a thing that you can do. all your work from home deeply your work from home is deeply damaging. i think damaging. you know, i think a good mix is three in the office, maybe at home or 1.5 at maybe two at home or 1.5 at home. there's a few deeper home. but there's a few deeper lying things here which are really you lying things here which are real|the you lying things here which are real|the is you lying things here which are real|the is the you lying things here which are real|the is the is you lying things here which are real|the is the is the you say, the uk is the is the leader, the us is second, which really surprises me. michel because of course the us has this no work till you this culture of no work till you drop then bottom? drop and then whose bottom? italy. this country. italy. so italy is this country. we of associate with quite we sort of associate with quite a be, you know, a let's be let's be, you know, quite polite, quite a lackadaisical culture and lackadaisical work culture and yet showing to the yet they're showing up to the office more than brits and americans. i think americans. so no i think something has something interesting has happened. we probably something interesting has happe quite we probably something interesting has happe quite on we probably something interesting has happe quite on top ve probably something interesting has happe quite on top ve itobably something interesting has happe quite on top ve it yet. ly aren't quite on top of it yet. i have a theory, though, which is that because we have such poor and expensive childcare in this country, people looking country, many people are looking at home as really at work from home as really a cheaply because works out cheaply because it works out better than sending your better than maybe sending your kid a week or kid to care five days a week or four a week. you do it four days a week. you just do it to and i understand to instead. and i understand that because it's so expensive in this country. we make

in this country. if we make childcare cheaper, then childcare much cheaper, then i think you have much stronger think you have a much stronger bafis think you have a much stronger basis to argue. look, basis on which to argue. look, you show you've got you have to show up. you've got no i so i don't put it no excuses. i so i don't put it down the childcare cost. down to the childcare cost. >> i don't think childcare should incentivised and we've should be incentivised and we've had debate michel had this debate before. michel i think actually one of the positive benefits of work from home going to steal this home and i'm going to steal this from friend from from my friend mary harrington. sees idea harrington. she sees the idea that women go back to work that women can go back to work from home and more part time, from home and do more part time, flexible, remote working hours along side their kids along side having their kids around rather than just around them rather than just be stuck an and distance stuck in an office and distance from is actually from their kids is actually a positive because positive development because lots during lockdown positive development because lots that during lockdown positive development because lots that theyiuring lockdown positive development because lots that theyiuring lospending found that they enjoyed spending more family. and more time with their family. and frankly, quite a few men as well, because it's only in the last of hundred years last couple of hundred years that we've working that we've been working predominantly outside the home, distance from our family. the problem have with problem i actually have with working is for people working from home is for people my age. if you just entering my age. if you are just entering the economy, particularly after lockdown the economy, particularly after lociyouri the economy, particularly after lociyour foot on the ladder and get your foot on the ladder and you haven't been in the office environment, to environment, i'm very happy to say around all my say that i'm around all my colleagues days a week colleagues five days a week despite the very long and

difficult commute because the trains you trains are rubbish. but you don't that camaraderie, don't build that camaraderie, you network and don't you don't network and you don't establish of establish yourself as part of a company that isn't as interchangeable itwere. company that isn't as interchangeable it were. if interchangeable as it were. if you just remote you were just a remote contractor who ultimately contractor who is ultimately fungible. has fungible. so i think it has benefits people that already benefits for people that already have families. have established families. but for people, the working for young people, the working from trend drive from home trend can drive further atomisation. >> think breeds laziness. >> i think it breeds laziness. i do. someone that was do. i know someone that was getting a washing machine delivered a couple of mornings ago, right at 834 in the morning. they're working from home and the guy's ringing the doorbell ringing the doorbell ringing, doorbell, delivery ringing, the doorbell, delivery quy- ringing, the doorbell, delivery guy. no answer. why because they're bed. think to they're in bed. and i think to myself, are you in bed when myself, why are you in bed when you're working from home at 830 for in the morning? you're working from home at 830 for in the morning ? because if for in the morning? because if you were getting up, you're getting you're getting getting showered, you're getting dressed, work dressed, you're going to work and all the rest of it, you're there, your in your there, you're on your in your work i just like work mode. and i just worry like the average answer of the call times, for example, at hmrc is now 22 minutes, 22 minutes, right. the average wait time at the same time department was

five minutes in 2020. apparently and i think what's happened and i've got on my soapbox now, i do apologise, but i think what's happened with a lot of companies throughout covid, they probably downsize some of their staff. that's and then they that's right. and then they thought, hang on a second, customers instead customers will accept. instead of the phone of us answering the phone in five minutes, to going five minutes, we're now to going answer phone in ten answer the phone. in ten minutes. we'll push to 15. minutes. we'll push it to 15. then push it to 20. and then we'll push it to 20. and you get these daft old messages where they'll say, you know, you've exceptionally where they'll say, you know, you've no exceptionally where they'll say, you know, you've no i exceptionally where they'll say, you know, you've no i haveeptionally where they'll say, you know, you've no i have not.1ally where they'll say, you know, you've no i have not. illy busy time. no i have not. i could call you at any time of the day and you would be playing that message. i would like to see find for bad see companies find for bad customer would like customer service. i would like customers more proactive customers to be more proactive in their business and in removing their business and taking it to other places and providers and voting with our kind pound shillings and kind of pound shillings and pence, speak . but i just pence, so to speak. but i just been a bit old fashioned and footie today. >> no, don't think you are >> no, i don't think you are actually. and there's actually. and i think there's something said also for something to be said also for the of employees. the wellbeing of employees. a lot of workers need to be around other people. being yourself other people. being by yourself all incredibly bad. all the time is incredibly bad. we an epidemic of

we have an epidemic of loneliness country loneliness in this country and in culture generally. in our culture more generally. without of doing without the insertion of doing everything zoom, and everything over zoom, slack and asana and various project management tools . so i agree management tools. so i agree with you, and think there is with you, and i think there is also a broader dynamic, is also a broader dynamic, which is lots have downsized lots of employers have downsized their they think their offices. they think actually can come their offices. they think ac' rather can come their offices. they think ac' rather than can come their offices. they think ac' rather than people come their offices. they think ac' rather than people a me their offices. they think ac' rather than people a pay in rather than give people a pay rise we know that rise because we know that employees at work employees basically look at work from home as akin to a round an 8% pay rise. rather than do that, you can do the work from home. what think looking home. what i think we're looking at michel, is that, at right now, michel, is that, like i said at the start, it's a revolution terms of how we revolution in terms of how we work. think lots of work. and i think lots of managers, of businesses, managers, lots of businesses, lots of organisations, it's going take couple of going to take them a couple of years some it's definitely years for some it's definitely a bonus. works. others, it bonus. it works. for others, it definitely doesn't. you know, i think have to also think think we have to also think about the fact plan about the fact the open plan office possibly the worst office is possibly the worst possible environment in which you can concentrate and do deep , meaningful that is , meaningful work, and that is just a scientific fact. there's a writer out there called a great writer out there called cal newport immense cal newport written an immense about immense amount about about an immense amount about it. so i think it's about a balance experimentation. but i

agree with you, this default that good. that it's always good. absolutely not the case. >> you want to come back on that? >> w i can $— w i can just jump in. >> yeah. if i can just jump in. i think part of the problem i think that part of the problem isn't hours worked as isn't just the hours worked as you said, it's the work ethic. like germany example, work like germany for example, work far hours, they're far far fewer hours, but they're far more industrious and than we are in country because they in this country because they work not longer. and so work harder, not longer. and so part issue, i think, and part of the issue, i think, and this speaks to hmrc point and thatis this speaks to hmrc point and that is that lots of jobs are superfluous in the knowledge economy. people are economy. lots of people are just paid push numbers around on paid to push numbers around on spreadsheets, paid to push numbers around on spreadshorts, with the graphics or deal with the increasingly complicating bureaucracy and law. and bureaucracy of tax and law. and so i think you shrank the so i think if you shrank the size the state and actually size of the state and actually you government that wasn't you had a government that wasn't just going growth just constantly going for growth and family and and focus on the family and allow to have single allow people to have single incomes, we'd lot more incomes, we'd have a lot more stability a lot more meaning stability and a lot more meaning rather than people just living alone single alone in their single bedroom apartment all day. apartment stock on zoom all day. >> of my viewers here says >> one of my viewers here says this basically a divided this is basically a divided society. people no society. so many people have no chance from home. chance at working from home. they there doing the they are out there doing the physical need to be physical stuff that need to be done. absolutely hear you. and

done. i absolutely hear you. and also, what about the ecosystems around office blocks? all of around the office blocks? all of you your little cafes and you like your little cafes and stuff that. those stuff like that. all those independent stuff like that. all those inde don'tznt stuff like that. all those indedon't have stuff like that. all those inde don't have those stuff like that. all those indedon't have those kind of you don't have those kind of commuters, those workers, what you don't have those kind of commuteto those workers, what you don't have those kind of commuteto those anders, what you don't have those kind of commuteto those and i'll what you don't have those kind of commuteto those and i'll sayat happens to them? and i'll say this a final word, i'm like this from a final word, i'm like a stock record. i always say this topic. i think be this on this topic. i think be careful what you wish for employees, because if you can prove boss, you know prove to your boss, you know what i say home and do my what i can say at home and do my job, not be long before job, it will not be long before your sits there and thinks, your boss sits there and thinks, hang a minute, why am i hang on a minute, why am i paying hang on a minute, why am i paying derek? know, 60 paying derek? i don't know, 60 grand a year when i could be paying grand a year when i could be paying whoever over in the philippines in india grand philippines or in india 20 grand a year. you really a year. because if you really can your job remotely, then can do your job remotely, then why do have to pay uk wages? why do i have to pay uk wages? thatis why do i have to pay uk wages? that is what employers will that is what some employers will be thinking. mark words be thinking. mark my words right. little look, right. let's have a little look, shall the weather. what's shall we? at the weather. what's going or not? going on? hot or not? >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your latest gp news. weather forecast provided

by the met office. after a relatively dry and fine day today that will be continuing into thursday as well. and even into thursday as well. and even into the overnight period. a good chunk of wales, central southern areas of england, even northern ireland holding on to some sunshine and clear some late sunshine and clear intervals overnight, might allow for mist and patches to for some mist and fog patches to form eastern areas of form across eastern areas of england, up towards scotland. we're hold the we're going to hold on to the cloud a more so turn a bit cloud a bit more so turn a bit murky across some higher ground routes, but temperatures generally around 13 generally holding up around 13 to in our towns cities. to 15 c in our towns and cities. a of a cooler, fresher start a bit of a cooler, fresher start in areas and in some rural areas and generally on grand scheme of generally on the grand scheme of things, lot that cloud will things, a lot of that cloud will begin burn way once begin to burn its way off once again and we'll start to see those intervals developing those sunny intervals developing and warm once and it will feel warm once again. we will, though, start to see much more a breeze see a much more of a breeze around tomorrow compared to today. going make today. so that's going to make it cooler, particularly it feel cooler, particularly along coastal along some eastern coastal areas, further areas, but further inland through midlands, through the midlands, down towards central areas towards central southern areas of rather of england, generally rather warm . high pressure, though, is warm. high pressure, though, is not going last into the end not going to last into the end of week this area of of the week because this area of low out in atlantic

low pressure out in the atlantic is start to drift its is going to start to drift its way in as head into friday. way in as we head into friday. so some heavy outbursts rain, so some heavy outbursts of rain, perhaps thunderstorms perhaps some thunderstorms pushing in first thing across wales, england northern wales, england, into northern ireland as that will tend ireland as well. that will tend to its way so to peter its way out. so scotland generally staying largely sunny largely dry with some sunny intervals, got further intervals, but we've got further rain on the as we head rain on the cards as we head towards end friday, towards the end of friday, turning windy some turning quite windy around some coastal well into the coastal areas as well into the weekend , though, bit of weekend, though, a bit of a northwest southeast split by by that warm feeling inside from boxed bowyer's proud sponsors of weather on gb news >> there you go . andy on twitter >> there you go. andy on twitter says michelle you talk about working from home. it's the cost of the commute that is the killer. he says, and doesn't help the trains often break down or people are on strike, etcetera. let me ask you this . etcetera. let me ask you this. if you commute via train to if you do commute via train to work and then you decided to work and then you decided to work from home, what would you do employer said to you, do if your employer said to you, right, you pay cut, right, i'll give you a pay cut, then, because you're not spending that money on spending all that money on commuting. would you accept that or know. you tell

or not? i don't know. you tell me. sayers and i quote are me. and sayers and i quote are shut up, michelle. i'm a higher rates taxpayer and i'm just logging off after ten hours working as speak, working from home as we speak, not she says , working not skiving, she says, working in . we're not in capital letters. we're not all needy. water cooler layabouts who pretend to work in the office. well, there you go. that told me right. let's talk council. i know. yeah. council tax. i just about to say we've just done that, but we haven't. let's talk council tax next, shall you you are shall we? do you think you are paying shall we? do you think you are paying too much to get value for money? is it time for council tax be frozen or not? and tax to be frozen or not? and toxic masculinity ? what does toxic masculinity? what does that even mean? you tell me

>> you're listening to news radio . hi that i'm michelle radio. hi that i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. >> alongside me, the writer and broadcaster connor tomlinson and the co—founder of novara media, aaron bastani. we've just been talking, working from home, williams on twitter says, i wish michelle would shut up and stop using weak and rather silly

media anecdotes to justify her arguments. there is no evidence anywhere that working from home affects service levels. customer interaction is often recorded up to management to set kpis and monitor well , what to management to set kpis and monitor well, what i to management to set kpis and monitor well , what i would say monitor well, what i would say about to you is that the uk customer satisfaction index apparently shows that we are dissatisfied when it comes to levels of customer service. it's slumped to its lowest levels, apparently since january 2015, and i don't think it's just me these days that calls places and just cannot get through. i told you the example about hmrc 22 minutes on average. to answer your phone call. you might think that's acceptable, but i absolutely not. and i don't absolutely do not. and i don't think that think it's a coincidence that they have quite high working from rates . what do you from home rates. what do you make to it get in touch, make to it all? get in touch, jacqui says. my team work for a local authority and we do not sit at home doing nothing. i would like to let you know when everyone busy during everyone was busy during lockdown examples for lockdown clapping examples for the says. my team of the nhs, she says. my team of six working hard every six were working hard every day to all of our

to offer services to all of our clients. we never day off clients. we never got a day off and we worked longer hours throughout . but and we worked longer hours throughout. but you lead me nicely though , when we talk nicely though, when we talk about local authorities to talk about local authorities to talk about council tax, because new data showing that council tax data is showing that council tax has get this as has reached as much get this as 10% of your salary in some places, the highest bill is in the north—east and the lowest is in scotland and london. the taxpayers alliance now basically is calling for council tax to be frozen. connor i wonder about council tax, whether or not it's good value for money, whether or not indeed it should be frozen, etcetera. >> your thoughts? i don't think it's good value for money at all. i mean, there are certain things that obviously could be picked subscription picked up by like a subscription service, your bins being service, like your bins being collected. as soon as they don't pick might pick them up, you might have some to call the some accountability to call the company and say, you company and say, okay, you haven't done once a week haven't done it once a week and things that. and then as it things like that. and then as it keeps again, me keeps going up again, point me to where things aren't to the area where things aren't in decline, where roads in decline, where the roads aren't poor state where aren't in a poor state where antisocial hasn't been antisocial behaviour hasn't been tackled, litter isn't tackled, where the litter isn't picked up, i don't see the value

of tax, it being frozen of council tax, it being frozen or raised at all. if my local area is not looked after, how do you your local area at you think your local area at home better? home is getting better? >> do you pay your >> do you think? do you pay your council with smile on your council tax with a smile on your face think, yeah, paying face and think, yeah, i'm paying this feel like i'm getting this and i feel like i'm getting something aaron, your something in return? aaron, your thoughts? mean, it's thoughts? yeah, i mean, it's important to say that anti—social behaviour and policing is not funded through council i accept council tax, although i accept your broader point. >> mean some of statistics >> i mean some of the statistics here, i thought here, michelle, but i thought some policing was funded some of the policing was funded through some of the policing was funded thr(|'m| some of the policing was funded thr(|'m sure some of the policing >> i'm sure some of the policing was some of the services. was some of the fire services. obviously services. obviously the council services. >> of policing and >> but in terms of policing and its decline, in terms of crime resolution and whatnot, over the last, 13 years, that's last, what, 13 years, that's because central government because of central government cutting funds to policing fundamentally. and what's really important, regards important, it says with regards to having increase to councils having to increase council a lot of that is council tax is a lot of that is again, because of cuts to central central government central from central government towards they have to towards them. so they have to make shortfall, make up the shortfall, increasing now so increasing council tax. now so some of the distinctions here in the differences between various areas astonishing . you areas are astonishing. so you said 10, the poor people of west devon paying 10% of their median

income . average incomes, 10% is income. average incomes, 10% is going council tax as low as going on council tax as low as 2% in wandsworth. now this was what really stood up for me , what really stood up for me, michel. the national burden of council tax in relation to median earnings has increased by 108% between 1993 and 2022, 108% increase. that's broadly the same as water very similar with energy, very similar to regards to rail . and then you think, of to rail. and then you think, of course, about the extraordinary rise with regards to the price of housing, higher education. everything is so much more expensive than it was 30 years ago. it's astonishing. where is it going? what's the money going on? so i do feel some councils now actually that have had to go into bankruptcy measures multiple times over and what they've been doing, some of them , they have been almost what i would call basically akin to gambling. >> they've been speculating with the council tax that they've received and doing it incredibly badly. now ended up in some badly. and now ended up in some cases with the police involved looking been

looking into what's been occurring there. and i think that absolutely disgraceful. that is absolutely disgraceful. >> the >> well, i mean, the paradigmatic there is paradigmatic example there is croydon, exactly . croydon, which was exactly. yeah. just a complete yeah. which was just a complete disaster . yeah. which was just a complete disaster. mean, yeah. which was just a complete disaster . mean, would disaster. i mean, they would say, well, had such little say, well, we had such little funding central government funding from central government as austerity. had as a result of austerity. we had to take risks. but i agree to take these risks. but i agree with you, should be with you, councils should be doing very well. and in doing less but very well. and in terms of where the money goes, a lot of spending goes with regards elderly so for regards to elderly care. so for instance, i live, huge instance, where i live, huge amounts of council taxpayers money goes to things like stroke, recovery services , you stroke, recovery services, you know, in—house care for older people , which as an ageing people, which as an ageing population is only going to sort of become more of an issue in the years ahead. i think we need to scrap council tax and i think we need to rethink how we do tax in this country from business rates to council tax to corporation tax. i think we need to tax more , work less. corporation tax. i think we need to t'in more , work less. corporation tax. i think we need to t'in terms more , work less. corporation tax. i think we need to t'in terms of ore , work less. corporation tax. i think we need to t'in terms of council rk less. corporation tax. i think we need to t'in terms of council tax ess. corporation tax. i think we need to t'in terms of council tax in;. but in terms of council tax in particular, i think this is the most egregious example of some of the sort of asymmetries we have in tax in this country. it needs to be rethought urgently .

needs to be rethought urgently. of course, nobody wants to do that. have been saying that. people have been saying this for 30 years because it's political, a political hot potato. i think this just potato. but i think this is just incredible. of salary incredible. 10% of one salary can't stand. >> mean , you guys are home >> i mean, you guys are home getting touch and telling me getting in touch and telling me just how much you guys are spending tax. it spending on council tax. and it is a couple of you is eye—watering a couple of you saying just scrap it, michelle. get rid. and council is get rid. and council tax is always been, it a thorn always been, hasn't it a thorn in side of many, people in the side of many, many people calling but what calling for reform. but what would reform like? would that reform look like? some that was poll some would say that it was poll tax, tax, whatever you tax, council tax, whatever you want to call it. that was one of the things actually helped the things that actually helped to thatcher down. to bring margaret thatcher down. so sentiment in the so i think the sentiment in the feeling that very feeling around that is very high. i'm going to leave that one because there's very one there because there's a very interesting topic i want interesting topic that i want to make for before end of make time for before the end of the the leader of the programme. the leader of the snp basically men have snp basically says that men have to more about toxic to do more about toxic masculinity. he's saying about men set and role models men being set and role models for boys and men. what does that all even mean? tell me and all even mean? you tell me and i'll you

hello there, michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 alongside me, the writer and broadcaster o'connor tomlinson and the co—founder of novara media, aaron bastani . we've just been aaron bastani. we've just been talking about council tax and juua talking about council tax and julia on twitter. she says, council tax makes my blood boil. it's so out of debt , she says, it's so out of debt, she says, why should i pay more just because i live in a bigger house? yet my neighbours who have smaller properties but more occupants, she says we occupants, pay less, she says we should all pay the same for the same services. and that, i have to say, is a sentiment that is echoed, echoed throughout my inbox and anthony, you've made me laugh on twitter as well. you say my niece is watching your show, she keeps show, michelle. she keeps pointing telly and pointing at the telly and shouting, look, it's barbie. it's barbie. i'm trying to explain. you're not explain. michelle, you're not barbie, she's only four, barbie, but she's only four, which guest to which has prompted my guest to say, which ones can then? say, well, which ones can then? there you you can ask your there you go. you can ask your niece. that's right. let's talk scotland, humza yousaf scotland, shall we? humza yousaf the course, of the the leader, of course, of the snp every man can snp has said that every man can piay snp has said that every man can play a role in tackling toxic

masculinity. he said that he wants all men to challenge problems , behaviour among our problems, behaviour among our friends and our colleagues and our members. and he's our family members. and he's talking about being good talking about men being good male men, role models to boys and other men. what all of and other men. what does all of this mean ? this mean? >> connor well, in his op ed, he was vaguely alluding to international against international violence against women obviously women and girls, which obviously have rates and have very different rates and levels of legal acceptability based on place and culture. but i don't feel any affinity with a bloke who thinks that marital rape is acceptable. for example . so i don't like being lumped rape is acceptable. for example . swithion't like being lumped rape is acceptable. for example . swith that like being lumped rape is acceptable. for example . swith that by; being lumped rape is acceptable. for example . swith that by implication.)ed in with that by implication. >> who thinks marital rapes in certain certain countries certain in certain countries around world it's still acceptable. >> seems to be what he >> and that seems to be what he was alluding when he said was alluding to when he said things afghanistan in the things like afghanistan in the in article. would say, don't. >> obviously, it's not to >> obviously, it's not easy to defend would defend himself, but he would say, don't me. say, don't support me. >> no, of course. no, he's saying he's saying that that is characteristic of toxic masculinity, but it also wider encompasses other behaviours. he's conflate things he's going to conflate things like things like that like metoo and things like that in such broad in it. i think it's such broad brush. it's utterly unhelpful and toxic. well no, no. and our men toxic. well no, no.

also masculinity describes a set of virtues. actually, the word virtue comes from virility. it's associated with masculinity. in the ancient greek conception. so masculinity meant to describe masculinity is meant to describe your to protect for your ability to protect for noble dependents and provide for them. go out, get resources , them. go out, get resources, bnng them. go out, get resources, bring them back and make sure they can have a healthy, safe and secure life. and i think there is actually a problem at there is actually a problem at the moment and it's funny you mentioned, because that's mentioned, bob, because that's almost discourse almost ignited the discourse with feeling dispossessed. with ken feeling dispossessed. there's a discussion at the moment having really moment about men having really high really high high suicide rates, really high loneliness out in loneliness rates being out in their they were their 20s by women. they were dropping out of university dunng dropping out of university during lockdown at seven rates higher than their female counterparts. of counterparts. there's lots of men dispossessed, men feeling dispossessed, purposeless, in the purposeless, particularly in the current economy and dating market that we're experiencing at moment. so there are real at the moment. so there are real issues to address. just don't issues to address. i just don't think yousaf provides any think humza yousaf provides any useful saying useful suggestion by saying be more like women. >> going to come back to >> i'm going to come back to some your points on that, but some of your points on that, but just in are on your just bring you in are on your thoughts. just bring you in are on your tho welly. just bring you in are on your tho well on mr youssef's in his >> well on mr youssef's in his defence says finger defence he says quote finger wagging answer. that's

wagging isn't the answer. that's reassuring . reassuring. >> just whacked my finger at >> i just whacked my finger at him i talking about him whilst i was talking about saying, i'm in toxic saying, well, i'm in toxic because the notion that because that is the notion that i a lot of men are i do feel a lot of men are having onto them. these having pushed onto them. these days something days that there's something wrong with man with men and being person and all being a masculine person and all the of it. i don't envy men the rest of it. i don't envy men at moment, but carry on. at the moment, but carry on. >> think look, the word >> yeah, i think look, the word is misogyny, right? somebody hates women. think that's hates women. i think that's the word we've used for so many years. why are we now using toxic masculinity? because like you so broad it you say, it's so broad brush. it can mean, know, marital rape can mean, you know, marital rape or mean somebody who's or it can mean somebody who's spreading a bit spreading their legs a bit too far the tube. these are far on the tube. and these are drastically different things and can in very can be corrected in very different there's line different ways. there's a line here about in here again about whether in politics office all work politics in the office all work site, school, we can all do more as men to challenge problematic behaviour friends, behaviour among our friends, colleagues and family members. that's that's that's true. i mean, that's true. if somebody says something which line, somebody which is out of line, somebody should to should be able to say to a friend or family member, especially i care about them. especially if i care about them. i not sure about that i am not quite sure about that deep concrete, that whole advertising campaign where you want advertising campaign where you warme? >> me? >> me? >> yeah. well, i think that's

perfectly fine. that's >> yeah. well, i think that's perfectinot fine. that's >> yeah. well, i think that's perfectinot the fine. that's >> yeah. well, i think that's perfectinot the solutionat's >> yeah. well, i think that's perfectinot the solution with clearly not the solution with regards to misogyny, i am regards to misogyny, but i am very, sympathetic the very, very sympathetic to the idea it is the idea that it is the responsibility of men to raise principled, upstanding principled, ethical, upstanding young . i think that's young boys. i think that's hugely think being hugely important. i think being a is the number one job a good dad is the number one job and responsibility of every man who privilege of having who has the privilege of having children. why it just the children. so why is it just the man's job? >> because i've got a little boy and see in fundamental and i see myself in fundamental being to the being fundamental to the development of your son and teaching him his values and how to behave. why is it just his to behave. so why is it just his dad's role? >> well, he's saying as a man, i'm speaking to other men with regards address regards to how we can address misogyny. and i think the fundamental way you can do that is when raise men is when you raise young men to do such a way do so properly in such a way that they respect women. they aren't aggressive, they're not little that think, little terrier acts that think, you know, think well, owes them something you know, think well, owes them somethinand i'm quite entitled. and i'm quite sympathetic to that. you know, look, easy to have a of look, it's easy to have a bit of knockabout with because knockabout with this because he's he's replacing he's the snp, he's replacing sturgeon. quite sturgeon. i think it's quite clear motives behind clear political motives behind what why he's what he's saying, why he's saying fundamentally saying it. but fundamentally i think there's something very

noble actually about a father trying raise a in such trying to raise a son in such a way that they're as respectful to women as possible. >> but has there been a shift towards obviously, i'm not towards men? obviously, i'm not a man. find it interesting, a man. i do find it interesting, by the way, that people really can't differentiate can't really differentiate between what between men and women and what is and all the rest of is a woman and all the rest of it a lecture like this it wants a lecture like this about notwithstanding about men. but notwithstanding that, a little bit that, i do feel a little bit sorry for men in this day and age because it used to be very, you know, men. there was a man. it was a woman was it was a man. a woman was a woman that was quite clear roles. there was things like chivalry, was very would chivalry, which was very i would say, you know, i saw a man say, you know, if i saw a man that was chivalrous opened that was chivalrous who opened the me, he gave up his the door for me, he gave up his seat. whatever it was, i personally would have found that a very attractive trait for a man i think these days, man to have. i think these days, if a man tries to be chivalrous, if a man tries to be chivalrous, if he tries to the door, he if he tries to open the door, he could almost get bit of could almost get a bit of a dog's abuse back from a woman who would say, well, what are you patronising me? can you doing patronising me? i can open own i can stand open my own door, i can stand up. i don't need your chair. and so i do. sometimes think that a man right for doing

wrong. >> yeah, there has been this ubiquitous programming >> yeah, there has been this ubiquitilast programming >> yeah, there has been this ubiquitilast decade programming >> yeah, there has been this ubiquitilast decade orygramming >> yeah, there has been this ubiquitilast decade orygrtwith ng for the last decade or so with things like the gillette advert where you're allowed to go where you're not allowed to go and a woman. there's and approach a woman. there's recent statistics 55% recent statistics that say 55% of have not approached of young men have not approached a year to ask a woman in the last year to ask them out on date. mainly them out on a date. mainly because they're too because they're probably too petrified of a force accusation or just doesn't come mind or it just doesn't come to mind anymore most of it's anymore because most of it's outsourced like dating outsourced to things like dating apps. it's just the apps. but it's not just the cultural this cultural programming. and this is something that is this is something that aaron raised michel. raised perfectly, michel. and that that a father that is that you need a father in home to provide a role in the home to provide a role model for and the majority model for men. and the majority of nowadays uk, of children nowadays in the uk, it's 50% live between two it's over 50% live between two households. so either their dad is not present he's not is not present or he's not present of the time. so present most of the time. and so the that there is a the issue is that there is a vacuum culturally and personally among men's lives. for among most men's lives. for a mentor figure that can instruct them be a man. there them on how to be a man. there are few vocations the are very few vocations for the men don't have children or men that don't have children or that trying that are growing up and trying to how to be a man and to learn how to be a man and there's very few situations where to be in close where they learn to be in close proximity, be a man. >> what does that mean? >> what does that mean? >> person of lost >> being the person of lost resort for people that need you?

and so you need to be able to be near while also near risk and danger while also holding your nerve. >> been a man means >> what has been a man means to you? before i you? very quickly, before i finish program, finish my program, duty, responsibility, commitment, say that an that i found that quite an interesting question. wonder interesting question. i wonder what at home what it means to you at home being man. it's ever being a man. it's not ever something i've really something that i've really stopped stephen something that i've really stop|michelle. stephen something that i've really stop|michelle. women stephen something that i've really stop|michelle. women ste bein says michelle. women can be toxic you know. yes, toxic as well. you know. yes, i think that that's also be think that that's also can be true. says purpose of true. leon says the purpose of highlighting masculinity highlighting toxic masculinity is the male is to emasculate the male population. if a man shows basically something, it's quite long. but anyway , he's saying long. but anyway, he's saying basically, leave men alone. colin says, i wanted to tell you that you looks beautiful tonight , michelle, but i daren't because in this day and age, giving compliments to women is that toxic that defined as toxic masculinity or not? i don't know. this world is getting more complicated by the moment, isn't it? anyway, look , that's all it? anyway, look, that's all i've got time for. aaron and connon i've got time for. aaron and connor. thank you. i think that's a really interesting question leave you ponder question to leave you to ponder . i think it overnight . i can think about it overnight in terms what it mean to in terms of what does it mean to be man ? still have these be a man? do we still have these kind roles that we used to kind of roles that we used to

once have is chivalry still once have and is chivalry still a thing? if ever see me a good thing? if you ever see me walking door, by the walking through the door, by the way, door. give way, please open the door. give up love all that. up your seat. i love all that. maybe am just a little bit old maybe i am just a little bit old fashioned. listen, fashioned. but anyway, listen, have great i've given have a great night. i've given you nigel farage you some homework. nigel farage is so don't go anywhere is up next, so don't go anywhere and see you tomorrow. and i'll see you tomorrow. >> the temperatures rising in boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your latest news. weather forecast provided by the met office. after a relatively dry and fine day today that will be continuing into thursday as well and even into thursday as well and even into the overnight period . a into the overnight period. a good chunk of wales central southern areas of england, even northern ireland holding on to some sunshine and clear some late sunshine and clear intervals , might allow some late sunshine and clear intesome , might allow some late sunshine and clear intesome mist , might allow some late sunshine and clear intesome mist and , might allow some late sunshine and clear intesome mist and fog ight allow some late sunshine and clear intesome mist and fog patchesyw some late sunshine and clear intesome mist and fog patches to for some mist and fog patches to form eastern areas of form across eastern areas of england up towards scotland. we're the we're going to hold on to the cloud a more. so turn a bit cloud a bit more. so turn a bit murky across some higher ground routes, but temperatures generally around 13 generally holding up around 13 to in our towns and cities. to 15 c in our towns and cities. a cooler, fresher start

a bit of a cooler, fresher start in rural areas. and in some rural areas. and generally the grand scheme of generally on the grand scheme of things, a lot that cloud will things, a lot of that cloud will begin its way once begin to burn its way off once again to see again and we'll start to see those intervals developing those sunny intervals developing and feel warm once again and it will feel warm once again . we though, to see . we will, though, start to see a much more a breeze around a much more of a breeze around tomorrow compared to today. so that's make feel that's going to make it feel cooler, particularly some cooler, particularly along some eastern areas, but eastern coastal areas, but further through the further inland through the midlands , down towards midlands, down towards central southern england , southern areas of england, generally warm . high generally rather warm. high pressure, though, is not to going last into the end of the week this area of low week because this area of low pressure out in the atlantic is going start to its way going to start to drift its way in head into friday. so in as we head into friday. so some outbursts rain, some heavy outbursts of rain, perhaps in first thing across pushing in first thing across wales england, northern wales, england, into northern ireland . that will tend ireland as well. that will tend to way out . so scotland to pita its way out. so scotland generally staying largely dry with intervals. with some sunny intervals. but we've rain on the we've got further rain on the cards we towards the end cards as we head towards the end of quite windy of friday, turning quite windy around as around some coastal areas as well into the weekend, though, a bit of northwest southeast bit of a northwest southeast split by the temperatures rising. >> boxt solar proud sponsors of

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