channel. where >> good evening. happy friday. it's 8:00 and i'm doing this one coming up on the show this evening we'll have you heard in the bulletins neonatal nurse lucy letby has been found guilty of the murder of seven babies. i want to ask what drives someone to this type of despicable crime ? i to this type of despicable crime .7 i mean, the details are horrendous. then at 11 am. on sunday, will you be watching? and where the lionesses kick off the fa final? so what does this mean to a world cup sports fans across the country ? and it makes across the country? and it makes sense. a biologic male shouldn't be a biological woman in sport, but in chess , it's the latest but in chess, it's the latest sport rocked by other gender rail . and speaking of gender,

rail. and speaking of gender, you can be offensive as you like, as long as you say the right offensive thing. it seems graham lynam has his edinburgh comedy fringe appearance cancelled . haven't we got past cancelled. haven't we got past this by now? comedy's comedy. surely if you don't like it, don't watch it, but don't cancel it. i'm debating this and so much more with my panel . and much more with my panel. and that's all coming up after the latest news headlines with tatiana sanchez . tatiana sanchez. >> dawn, thank you very much and good evening. this is the latest from the newsroom for the nurse. lucy letby has been found guilty of the murder of seven babies. she was also convicted of the attempted murder of six others between june 2015 and june 2016. at the countess of chester hospitals neonatal ward b 33 year old will be sentenced on monday. the government has ordered an independent inquiry into the case. crown prosecutor

pascal jones described letby attacks as a complete betrayal of the trust placed in her. >> it ordered those working alongside her know that there was a murderer in their midst. she did her utmost to conceal her crimes by varying the ways in which she repeatedly harmed babies in her care . she sought babies in her care. she sought to deceive her colleagues and pass off the harm she caused as nothing more than a worsening of each baby's existing vulnerability . vulnerability. >> police investigating the murder of a ten year old in woking say they're looking for her father, sara sharif's body was found at her home last thursday after police received a call from her dad. just before 3 am. detectives say she suffered a.m. detectives say she suffered extensive injuries over a sustained period of time . sustained period of time. they're now seeking irfan sharif , along with the child's stepmother and her uncle. it's believed they travelled to

pakistan the day before her death was discovered . police death was discovered. police have revealed they're investigating the loss of an officer's laptop and notebook which fell from a moving vehicle yesterday . meanwhile, the psni yesterday. meanwhile, the psni have arrested a man in connection with last week's data breach in which the details of 10,000 police officers and staff were published online by mistake . a 50 year old man has been detained under the terrorism act and is being questioned. another man was arrested yesterday on suspicion of collecting information likely to be useful to terrorists . gb news can to terrorists. gb news can reveal more than 25,000 migrants have crossed the english channel since rishi sunak became prime minister the figure was reached just after midday today after the border force vessel ranger arrived at dover harbour with 57 people on board and despite poor weather conditions in the channel today, a second migrant boat made it to uk waters. it means more than 110 migrants have arrived in kent today . to

have arrived in kent today. to train. drivers will strike on the 1st of september and overtime will be banned the day after in a long running dispute over pay. the strike will force train across england train companies across england to cancel services , while to cancel all services, while the ban on overtime will seriously disrupt the network. it will be the 12th one day strike by aslef members since the dispute started a year ago . the dispute started a year ago. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car , on digital radio tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by simply saying play. news now dawn it is back to you . dawn it is back to you. >> thank you. tatiana good evening. i'm dawn neesom and you are watching and listening to gb news coming up shortly , i'll be news coming up shortly, i'll be debating a trans players in chess. if comedy should be cancelled and if the president of the fia should be actually watching our fearless lionesses bnng watching our fearless lionesses bring us home. fingers crossed. the world cup. so tonight i am

asking you with growing hype for the game on sunday. are you as excited for the women's football as the men's are in football in general? but in sport, i mean, doesit general? but in sport, i mean, does it mean as much to you as if it was the men playing very cunous if it was the men playing very curious to what you think on this one. had this debate with the husband at home, didn't go well, but get in touch. vaiews@gbnews.com . now probably vaiews@gbnews.com. now probably one of the horrible stories we've had for a while. neonatal nurse has been found guilty of murdering seven babies and attempting to kill six more, making her the worst child serial killer in modern history. now, obviously , we are talking now, obviously, we are talking about the horrible case of lucy letby. joining me now to discuss the sort of psychological mentality i'm interested in what drives a woman to do this. you

have to harm those in your care. is psychologist honey lancaster james. hi, honey. thank you so much for joining james. hi, honey. thank you so much forjoining us this evening much for joining us this evening on a friday night. i really appreciate your time to discuss what is a dreadfully upsetting story . now, i know, honey, we story. now, i know, honey, we have discussed it. you can't talk about this case in particular, so i just want to talk in general about what drives this sort of behaviour , drives this sort of behaviour, particularly in women and why are we more shocked when it is a woman ? woman? >> well, i think there's two questions there. i mean , first questions there. i mean, first of all, this is obviously a dreadful, dreadful story and it's going to be so distressing for so many people to hear about this . there for so many people to hear about this. there are some for so many people to hear about this . there are some reports for so many people to hear about this. there are some reports on this. there are some reports on this story that the person in question was suffering from a condition called munch and by proxy . proxy. >> now, i don't know the facts of the case haven't examined in this case, but i can educate a little bit on what that is when

you're hearing about that. >> it's a psychological disorder that leads individuals to harm those who are in their care. >> now , sometimes this is >> now, sometimes this is associated with mothers and always mothers, but often mothers hurting children in their care. and they do so usually out of a motivation to get attention, to get contact with medical professionals. >> now, i don't know whether that was the case in this case, but i have read reports that thatis but i have read reports that that is being discussed as a possible factor here. >> one of the things i should say is this. this is an extremely rare disorder. it's not something that we should all be panicking about, particularly in our health care professionals, because although it can affect a health care profession , it is extremely rare profession, it is extremely rare . and there are lots of processes in place, you know, among health care teams to watch out for these things. of course , in this case, something very,

very tragic and untoward has happened. very tragic and untoward has happened . and we don't know happened. and we don't know quite how that has come to pass that so many children have been have been harmed and have been killed and my heart just goes out to all of the families affected. of course . affected. of course. >> yeah. no, absolutely . with >> yeah. no, absolutely. with the kind of psychological disorders that we are talking about that drives killers , about that drives killers, serial killers, because that's what we're talking about in this case.i what we're talking about in this case. i mean, we've mentioned munchausen as well, there munchausen as well, and there were other people mentioning today like the hero today think like the hero complex. i mean, what could you explain us a bit more about what thatis? >> well, that's quite a colloquial sort term. that's colloquial sort of term. that's something you know, is not something that, you know, is not a recognised psychological disorder like munchausen by proxy. i think what people proxy. but i think what people are talking about is where sometimes somebody can appear to be very caring, can appear to be in a caring role , can actually in a caring role, can actually can be quite deceptive about what their true motivations are

involved in their activities and actually they might be motivated by self gain or some sort of self gratification. and of course, in very extreme cases , course, in very extreme cases, as in this case, it seems that it's contributed to obviously the harm of others. i think in terms of sort of what to watch out for and why we perhaps don't see this coming. i think if you think about our society, we very much have this strong message that women are the nurturing caregivers among us in society, and therefore , we often think and therefore, we often think don't expect women to kill. we don't expect women to kill. we don't expect women to kill. we don't expect them to harm others because it's so much the antithesis of what our concept of womanhood entails. i think there are a number of problems with that. one is that obviously as a society we need to make room for the full breadth of experience of all genders because we can all display all sorts of behaviour, but i think the other side of that is that

we need to have appropriate checks and balances and ways of recognising when something might not be what it seems . and i not be what it seems. and i always think, you know, i'm always think, you know, i'm always happy to do these kinds of interviews to explain things because i think it raises awareness and the reality is there will be people out there in society suffering from these kind of psychological disorders or perhaps worried about other people in their own families or their own health care provisions . and i would always encourage people , particularly in the people, particularly in the health care professions , to come health care professions, to come forward and report any colleagues that they are concerned about , to speak to concerned about, to speak to someone that they trust and to keep speaking. if those concerns are not readily responded to. and of course, if anybody out there is worried about any children or vulnerable people in someone else's care, but has an uneasy feeling about whether they are actually being cared for, whether they are being looked after , and then do speak looked after, and then do speak to someone about that, that you

can trust or speak to, or even if you go to your gp and raise it, raise it with a health care professional who be professional who might be able to and advise you and look to help and advise you and look and out for things that and look out for things that might be concern . might be a concern. >> very good advice. annie, just one final question. one final quick question. the judge case described the judge in this case described the actions monstrous , which actions as monstrous, which obviously they are. these were incredibly newborn incredibly vulnerable newborn babies . if incredibly vulnerable newborn babies. if the killer incredibly vulnerable newborn babies . if the killer doesn't babies. if the killer doesn't have any of the conditions , have any of the conditions, you're so eloquently explained to us, is there such a thing as just pure evil ? just pure evil? >> you know , this is a debate >> you know, this is a debate and as a psychology and under trained psychotherapist, i have to say that in in my experience , the vast majority of offences take place. i think when people have various different disorders , mental health conditions that doesn't that's not me saying that everyone should be excused. of course they shouldn't. of

course, people need to be held accountable. of course, as a society we need to be on that and we need to incarcerate those who are a menace or a risk to society. but personally and professionally, my opinion is that if we like normal, healthy, individual cells don't go around hurting other human beings. individual cells don't go around hurting other human beings . and hurting other human beings. and i think what's really important is i think we should also say actually what's really important is that if there's anyone ever watching or listening to these kinds of interviews and thinking, actually, i'm doing something, or maybe i've done something, or maybe i've done something or i have urges to do something, please get help . something, please get help. please go and speak to a qualified professional because it doesn't have to end up that way. it doesn't have to work out that way. and i think one of the things we have in society is a problem sometimes where we brand things as being just pure evil, just, you know, and of course, the acts are evil . and what has the acts are evil. and what has happenedis the acts are evil. and what has happened is undoubtedly deadly,

horrendous and tragic. but i think what we need to do is also for state within our society a way for people to come forward. if they are at risk of harming other people, if they have thoughts of harming other people or infants, if they have thoughts of doing anything criminal . i thoughts of doing anything criminal. i would like those people to go forward and get help from professional and help from a professional and speak someone in confidence speak to someone in confidence if they're worried about it because let's face it, that's the way reduce this kind of the way to reduce this kind of thing happening society and thing happening in society and that reporting our concerns that and reporting our concerns when we have them of course, thatis when we have them of course, that is a great, very, very good advice. >> thank you so much for talking to us, sir. honey lancaster, james ira, psychologist, thank you much forjoining us on you so much forjoining us on a friday night. now, obviously, it's incredibly distressing it's an incredibly distressing case. you've just heard case. and as you've just heard from honey, if you do have any issues, please do get in touch with your mental health care professionals. and if you need to someone, any one to speak to someone, any one 24 hours a samaritans are hours a day, samaritans are there 24 over seven on 1161, two, three. now i'm dawn neesom

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radio. >> hello, happy friday evening. i'm dawn neesom here on news 11 am. this sunday. a small football match taking place. will you be watching the lionesses kick off against spain at 11:00 on sunday morning ? so at 11:00 on sunday morning? so what does it mean to us all? the prime minister has urged pubs to open early and councils to relax licencing laws to allow more people to come together and celebrate the win. please joining me now is sue white, former england women's international footballer, to discuss the outcome ending performance by our lionesses. there you are, sue, thank you so much for joining there you are, sue, thank you so much forjoining me this much for joining me this evening. pleasure to talk to you .thank evening. pleasure to talk to you . thank you so much for coming on. this is actually incredible for football , for women's for football, for women's football. i mean , are you football. i mean, are you excited? i mean , come on. talk excited? i mean, come on. talk

to me about how you're feeling right now . right now. >> i'm already feeling sick and nervous. >> i usually watch the matches from behind the city peeping out or even run into the garden if it looks like a penalty or anything like that. i get so nervous and i paced the room constantly. i'm kicking every ball, heading every ball . i'm ball, heading every ball. i'm trying to save every ball. so yeah , and i know all my 72 yeah, and i know all my 72 team—mates they all they feel pretty much the same because we're meeting up tomorrow to get ready to watch the match together on sunday. so which will be wonderful . oh, brilliant. >> so you were , you were >> so you were, you were a goalkeeper. i mean , you the goalkeeper. i mean, you the first international match back in 1972 when you were just 17 years old, you must have witnessed so many changes to women's footballer over that penod women's footballer over that period of time. i mean , how do period of time. i mean, how do you think the game is being treated now by by mostly men , treated now by by mostly men, but the population in general ? but the population in general?

>> i've had so many people say to me that those girls have made them enjoy a game that they never thought they would. people say, i've never been interested in football, but watching those girls play is so exciting . girls play is so exciting. they're so brilliant and they're such decent people . they really such decent people. they really are. and they're such a great team. they're so humble . they team. they're so humble. they clapped as the 72 team onto their pitch. we wondered who they were clapping for and they've come and said thank you to us. and they are just a brilliant set of girls . they brilliant set of girls. they really are. as i know, they're women. but towards the towards devils, they're they're girls . devils, they're they're girls. really. you know what? >> so the one thing i found watching them and i'm a big football fan of west ham season ticket holder, but the one thing i found watching the girls is that the joy they seem to be really loving every you see pictures of them training, they look like they're really enjoying it and the camaraderie and the good humour, it just

seems infectious. can compare to sometimes a slightly petty animals game . animals game. >> yeah , well, i think a lot of >> yeah, well, i think a lot of it is because there's no prima donna prima donnas with them. >> they all play for each other. it doesn't matter if you're the substitute, if you're in the back room, if you're cleaning boots, they all seem to get on together and know that they're going together to get that they're going to win that match as a team , not just the as a team, not just the footballers, but everybody else in the back room. and everybody appreciates each other and the jobs that they do to get them where they've got to proper teamwork. >> so i have to ask you, the big question of the day is prince william, who is head of fa, is not going out there and nor is our prime minister, rishi sunak . now, how do you feel about that. >> i do just wonder if it was the men, would they be out there? um, and yet the women

have. there? um, and yet the women have . well, they've just blasted have. well, they've just blasted the men out of the water basically, haven't they, since 1966, we've had nothing . we 1966, we've had nothing. we haven't even got to a semi—final. so why aren't they out there? why aren't they out there saying how good these these women have been? they've made the country proud , even if made the country proud, even if even if they lose, which i don't think they will, they have made the country proud. and they should be treated like like the true icons that they are and the great sportspeople there. no, absolutely . absolutely. >> and i mean sexist. starmer suggested maybe we should get a bank holiday if our lionesses do bnng bank holiday if our lionesses do bring that cup back. how do you feel about that one? >> well, i'm anything to get this game out there for all the girls. and if we get a bank holiday, great. i mean i know there's economy things behind that , but. there's economy things behind that, but. but yes, why there's economy things behind that , but. but yes, why not? why that, but. but yes, why not? why not celebrate this ? as i say, not celebrate this? as i say, we've waited long enough . we've we've waited long enough. we've

waited long enough for this in football, haven't we? >> so where will you be watching it? did you say we're watching from box park at wembley? >> there's a big group of us. so yeah , we're all together. the 72 yeah, we're all together. the 72 squad and hopefully we'll manage to send the lionesses a message of good, good luck. with any luck. >> oh, and one final question, sir, and you're very going to hate me for this. what's your prediction for the score? >> two one to england? no problem. >> no hesitation whatsoever . >> no hesitation whatsoever. sue, it's been an utter pleasure talking to you. that's sue white, former england international and international football and goalkeeper. indeed. sue, thank you so much. enjoy the game . oh, you so much. enjoy the game. oh, i'm so excited . you so much. enjoy the game. oh, i'm so excited. i'm you so much. enjoy the game. oh, i'm so excited . i'm sorry. right i'm so excited. i'm sorry. right on sunday morning, some of you may be going to church . not the may be going to church. not the pub, by the way. a proper church. some of you might be worshipping about the lionesses altar and some may be doing both. it is a pleasure now to be joined by father downes, who will be talking about what he's doing on sunday morning. it's a little bit different to your normal sunday morning. father

downes, so much for downes, thank you so much for joining this evening. so tell joining us this evening. so tell us your sunday mornings us what your sunday mornings going like . going to look like. >> it's going to look slightly different. i mean, ijust do want to start by saying that my thoughts prayers are very thoughts and prayers are very much with all those affected by this horrendous story today. how awful this seems to be awful does this seems to be doing there ? but in terms of doing there? but in terms of what we're doing here at sunbury on week, i'm going to have on tim's week, i'm going to have a short service . normally we a short service. normally we have a full mass and lots of hymns and singing and the sermon and things like that, but i think we'll be slightly shortened on sunday and then we will be moving to the parish hall will be livestreaming the final. we'll be having some fizz . we will be cheering the lionesses onto glory and sandwiches and we'll be thanking god for our wonderful lionesses and the great gift of women's football and how marvellous it is . for the football and how marvellous it is. for the first time since 1966, we've got our chance to get our hands on the world cup. it's going to be able to be

fantastic . fantastic. >> it's brilliant, isn't it? and are you haven't got very good line there, unfortunately. father down. did you say you'll be having fiz and bacon baps there congregation pins there for your congregation pins and mean it's not and bacon baps mean it's not quite bread and wine but it's pretty close. >> it's close but i think god will give us this sunday for alleviating slightly from the from the normal . from the normal. >> and what reaction have you had from your congregation about the huge encouragement, huge support. >> we've got a very big congregation here and lots of, you know, more mature members of our congregation, but lots of youngsters and families and professionals and we're all going to come together as the family of christ here at st mary's on thames. and the lionesses on and bring the world cup home. it's going to be absolutely fantastic. >> very exciting. i love your enthusiasm, father, while you're on, have to. have you had on, i just have to. have you had a quick word with, you know him upstairs about the result and can i have your prediction if that's the case? >> i've had a quick word with god, and god has whispered in my

ear know the referee has ear and i know the referee has had a word with god, but think 3—1 to england. no doubt at all. >> brilliant . thank you very >> brilliant. thank you very much. thanks, sarah. and father downes, who's a vicar. st mary's sudbury on thames. thank you so much for joining sudbury on thames. thank you so much forjoining us. enjoy your much for joining us. enjoy your sunday morning. and come on, the lionesses right. you're watching and listening to gb news with me. dawn neesom coming up. good enough for the boys, but not for the girls . the prince of wales the girls. the prince of wales and the prime minister aren't flying to support our flying out to support our potential world cup glory . it potential world cup glory. it could be the first time we have won since 1966. we may have mentioned it a few times, so why isn't prince william president of the fa going? shouldn't he be? you won't want to miss what's coming up

getting to grips with. >> welcome back to gb news with

me, dawn neesom .and >> welcome back to gb news with me, dawn neesom . and joining me me, dawn neesom. and joining me in the studio is former labour advisor scott maguire and a benjamin kochan research fellow at the bow group, even a conservative think tank. now there's a few stories to run through, but the biggest one of this week has to be just checking my notes. hey, yeah, a little football game going on now. the mighty lionesses take on spain on sunday at 11:00. women's football has been getting a lot of coverage in support in the last few years, but sadly not from the president of the fa one, prince william . of the fa one, prince william. he won't be attending this sunday's world cup final and neither will our prime minister so should we be showing just as much support for the women as we would if our chaps are out there playing in the world cup final? if we win on sunday, once again , we have had to send the woman out to do the job. the men can't quite finish , can they? right. quite finish, can they? right. so i'm going to come to you for

another girl. are you excited about sunday morning? yeah >> i mean, actually, i was surprised . i'm not a great surprised. i'm not a great football fan, but i was surprised how much i surprised about how much i minded single match. minded every single match. i mean, particularly as you kept thinking they're not going to win this one. they're not going to against the matildas. and to win against the matildas. and it's disappointment it's itself a disappointment by the . it's itself a disappointment by the i'm . it's itself a disappointment by the i'm sorry. >> i'm sorry. >> i'm sorry. >> absolutely. also , what's >> absolutely. and also, what's a about them is , is a wonderful about them is, is when men win a match because when the men win a match because they obviously never win a tournament, you know, you're taken through the wringer to do it. and it's a bit like andy murray sort of in one kind. >> i know. >> i know. >> and yet the women just they just do it. they just do it. and it's great and it's wonderful . it's great and it's wonderful. of course, prince william should be there. and of course, he would be there if it was the men. but i mean, the other great thing is, is think how many girls are to going say, i want it. i remember my daughter watching bend it like beckham and went off to the arsenal to try she's not a footballer but actually it was great it was

really inspirational . and i really inspirational. and i think and this what this says is girls can play sport , which is girls can play sport, which is most important for the girls . i most important for the girls. i don't mean, you know, we're telling the men, but actually so many teenage girls think , oh, many teenage girls think, oh, no, you know, i'd too be masculine. actually, those girls, the young women out there in the england, the lionesses they are fantastic. >> it's just inspiration. even if you're not into football. i just think it's incredible inspiration , benjamin. i mean, inspiration, benjamin. i mean, i'm sorry , but the prime i'm sorry, but the prime minister in prince william , you minister in prince william, you know, it was the men out know, if it was the men out there, there'd the, like, shot. >> well, i don't mind too much about rishi sunak going about rishi sunak not going because of the day, because at the end of the day, the state of the country, i don't mind being at home dealing with the problems. >> but prince william, he >> but prince william, only he was charge. >> but prince william, only he waswell, arge. >> but prince william, only he waswell, inje. >> but prince william, only he waswell, in fact, that's true. >> well, in fact, that's true. he probably but prince he probably won't. but prince william charge fa, you william in charge of the fa, you know, he, the president know, what is he, the president of fa and he's the future of the fa and he's the future king the country. he should king of the country. he should be any national team, be out for any national team, playing any final, in any playing in any final, in any sport show but also sport to show support, but also to lead the way for the entire

country. so i think prince william, that his job william, given that his job at the moment largely to do the moment is largely to do these things, that is what these things, that that is what he's for. but with he's there for. yeah, but with rishi, you know, if he can rishi, look, you know, if he can stay home and get a grip on stay at home and get a grip on the cost of living crisis, i'll forgive him. >> but it's not, you know, he's not to do that over the not going to do that over the next four is he? to next three, four days, is he? to be with you, possibly 3 be honest with you, possibly 3 or 4 years. but i mean, yeah, well, probably not. >> but you least at >> but you know, at least at least make it look he's least make it look like he's trying. >> w t his excuse or >> so scarlett, his excuse or prince excuse is that prince william's excuse is that it's not very environmental to fly out there. it's not very environmental to fly look,iere. it's not very environmental to fly look, mate, planes going. it's not very environmental to flyany»k, mate, planes going. it's not very environmental to flyany case,ite, planes going. it's not very environmental to flyany case, just planes going. it's not very environmental to flyany case, just be planes going. it's not very environmental to flyany case, just be honest.|oing. it's not very environmental to flyany case, just be honest. no g. in any case, just be honest. no no, no. >> i mean, of course he'd hire a private darling. i mean, private one, darling. i mean, i'm not sure, but. but, of course. i mean, look, as you said, it's an excuse. i mean, there no question that if you there is no question that if you know, men ever, ever , ever, know, the men ever, ever, ever, evenin know, the men ever, ever, ever, even in the final of a world cup, let alone win it, that he'd be there and actually it would be there and actually it would be really wonderful for the lionesses to win and for him to hand out their medals. i mean, it would be memorable and great,

great, great for the royal family, actually . i mean, that's family, actually. i mean, that's it's really silly . i mean, it's it's really silly. i mean, it's a media opportunity that is just. >> yes, yes, yes. that >> yeah. so wills, if you're listening, mate, get out there. so what do we think about the bank holiday suggestion though. i mean turkey has suggested a bank there is one bank holiday and there is one coming any case at the coming up. in any case at the end august. end of august. >> tonight, i think we're getting to the point we're having far too many bank holidays every possible holidays at every possible excuse. this excuse. i don't think this merits if the men the merits it. if the men won the world i'd the same. we world cup, i'd say the same. we don't need a bank holiday for that. and also, given that. you know, and also, given the the economy, we the state of the economy, we need productivity up. we need to get productivity up. we need to get productivity up. we need get people to work. need to get people back to work. people have a bank people basically have a bank houday people basically have a bank holiday week. now they're holiday every week. now they're all working weeks. so controversial. >> some us seven. >> some of us work seven. >> some of us work seven. >> not not yes, yes. >> well, not not yes, yes. >> well, not not yes, yes. >> some of us actually are in here over and over again. >> no, i think it's i wouldn't get behind that at get behind that idea at all. i think i think i think i think it would be to have a bank would be great to have a bank holiday. >> i mean, to have a bank houday >> i mean, to have a bank holiday lionesses and holiday for the lionesses and think much money would

think think how much money would be . well, the pubs would be spent. well, the pubs would the would love the pubs the pubs would love it. the pubs must want it. >> yes, absolutely . so do we >> yes, absolutely. so do we think i'm going to ask you this one, benjamin, because you are a boy now . there is. i'm not going boy now. there is. i'm not going to be rude enough to ask how old you are, but i'm finding there's a general asian thing going on here with men watching women's football . older men . good football. older men. good evening, darling. happy watching older men tend to sit there with a beer on the tummy. you know those kind i'm talking about going run rings around her in the park. i wouldn't. i'm going. no, you wouldn't. whereas younger men and you're slightly younger men and you're slightly younger appreciating women younger are appreciating women skill playing this game. so do you think there is a generational difference about how men are treating the women's football? >> it's not necessarily just generational. i personally haven't seen a single game, but then i'm not massively. but you're not a football fan? massively. >> no, not would you watch at >> no, not would you watch it at the moment? >> watch the men's world car >> i'd watch the men's world car for the men's euros, but why aren't you watching women?

for the men's euros, but why arenit's. u watching women? for the men's euros, but why arenit's. u wenever| women? for the men's euros, but why aren it's. u we never thoughtnen? for the men's euros, but why arenit's. u we never thought to n? just it's. i've never thought to really. it'sjust just it's. i've never thought to really. it's just not floated across radar, it were. across my radar, as it were. i've seen. i've never seen. >> but you'd watch the men's. >> but you'd watch the men's. >> but you'd watch the men's. >> but you're football >> but you're not a football because at the end of because it's. look at the end of day, everyone watches the world cup when the men are playing, it's you can't move it. you it's you can't move for it. you go pub and there rammed go to a pub and there rammed it's anyone talks about. it's all anyone talks about. it's not quite same. it's just not quite the same. maybe in years as it maybe in a few years as it develops, if we were win this develops, if we were to win this time round, maybe it would build up it takes up the culture. but it takes time and at the moment it doesn't of permeate the doesn't sort of permeate the area in the same way that the men's world cup. you think men's world cup. do you think that's problem that it should that's a problem that it should be? no, because it's not be? no, because look, it's not that sport is neglected. that women's sport is neglected. women always great in women have always had a great in tennis, example, you're tennis, for example, you're always been just on the same level as effectively, level as the men effectively, you people like you know, like people like serena are up there serena williams are up there with likes of novak djokovic with the likes of novak djokovic in their acclaim. in terms of their acclaim. i just that football's just think that football's always had quite a blokey culture it's always been always had quite a blokey cultu down it's always been always had quite a blokey cultu down the 's always been always had quite a blokey cultu down the pub,vays been always had quite a blokey cultudown the pub, having an always had quite a blokey cultudown the pub, having a always had quite a blokey cultu down the pub, having a beer, men down the pub, having a beer, watching the football, going, oh, you you're blind. oh, you know, you you're blind. you that sort whole you know, that sort of whole culture. think it's that culture. i don't think it's that women from sports. women are excluded from sports. it's women are excluded from sports. ifs has

it's just that football has always a very male always been a very male dominated sport. think. dominated sport. i think. >> you're out of date. >> i think you're out of date. actually. think it's really actually. i think it's really changed. i think lot of changed. and i think a lot of i'm talking the past. i'm talking about the past. >> i'm saying it's changing now. >> i'm saying it's changing now. >> yeah. but i mean, watching it so i watched. you're going to watch on sunday morning . so watch it on sunday morning. so i watched euro , the euro watched the euro, the euro finals that the women won, which we won the women won. the women woi'i. >> won. >> the men doing that one, they didn't quite win. >> they didn't quite win the euros, did they? so the women won. and i mean, i felt the same as as actually as the men's is. i mean, there is an awful look. there's a incredible row going on about what time the pubs can open on sunday. i mean, there is a massive, massive move to actually have everybody watching it. >> i think you know what, scarlett right. this is like, oh, we left it too late to apply for licences hold on a minute. you've known about this tournament for quite a while. coming up, if it been the coming up, if it had been the men's, have made sure

men's, you'd have made sure that. if the boys that. okay, well, if the boys bnng that. okay, well, if the boys bring cup we'll have bring the cup home, we'll have the licences sorted out. so all the licences sorted out. so all the pubs can stay open. >> but it's not just a gender thing. not just about thing. it's not just about female male sport. female sport versus male sport. we the same with we also have the same thing with rugby, a long time it rugby, where for a long time it was not seen on the same level as football. we same as football. we had the same thing with the rugby world cup where the pubs wouldn't open, people see if it people couldn't go and see if it was early on that over time was early on and that over time has it's become more has developed. it's become more popular, been promoted. i popular, it's been promoted. i think is think the same thing is happening with women's sport. >> watching on >> so you're watching it on sunday. on. >> so you're watching it on surwell, on. >> so you're watching it on surwell, i'll on. >> so you're watching it on surwell, i'll do n. >> so you're watching it on surwell, i'll do it for you. >> well, i'll do it for you. yeah. i'll say and i'll let yeah. and i'll say and i'll let you know if i enjoy it. i'll definitely watch. >> just send me message. >> just send me a message. i'm going to phone you and make sure you're actually watching it on the oh, yeah. window. >> yeah. oh, yeah. the window. >> yeah. oh, yeah. the window. >> are you going pub >> no, i mean, are you going pub with somebody sneaking open a bit early because coming bit early because i am coming in here straight afterwards. bit early because i am coming in herokay.ght afterwards. >> okay. >> okay. >> so some of us don't for >> so some of us don't work for day weeks. benjamin is a boy. >> obviously he does now. sorry that's being turned i that's being turned to night. i know. sorry. i apologise to know. i'm sorry. i apologise to all the watching and please all the men watching and please get behind girls right.

get behind the girls right. okay. on, i asked you okay. now, early on, i asked you out with the women's world out there with the women's world cup. about cup. we're talking about non—stop, less than non—stop, aren't we? less than two i was excited for two days away. i was excited for sport, women play now. sport, as when women play now. now of have been now some of you have been getting touch. thanks to some getting in touch. thanks to some of stephen said no, i'm of you. stephen said no, i'm excited sportsmen excited when good sportsmen excel, be men or women, excel, be they men or women, they'll they at they'll come on. they are at some of goals, some of some of these goals, some of these goals are amazing. meanwhile mark, meanwhile mark, not my mark, hopefully says go lionesses. yes, hopefully a ladies world cup football will give the men's team absolutely team and they're absolutely hopeless . woke manager hopeless. woke manager gareth southgate a kick up the backside. it's been 57 long years well served mark. meanwhile angel thank you angel said not only not excited, but not in the least bit interested. although to be honest, that goes for all football . well, that's for all football. well, that's a fair point, but i'm great for women. it's inspirational . women. it's inspirational. meanwhile, jan says out of love to play in the girls football team when i was younger. go on the girls. brilliant. i love that one. me too. i got hockey instead . not right. that one. me too. i got hockey instead. not right. coming up next, as many sports make moves to ban transgender participants

from female only categories, the latest move is to ban transgender players from chess and then continuing agenda. graham lynham has been cancelled from the edinburgh fringe for his view . but what about the his view. but what about the likes of ricky gervais and frankie boyle? they remain popular, offensive and cancelled. don't miss what's coming up next. loads to up

welcome back . dawn neesom here welcome back. dawn neesom here on gb news. still with me in the studio is former labour advisor scarlett mccgwire and benjamin loughnane. now research fellow for the bow group. conservative think tank now and i have apologised by the way. i apologised by the way. i apologise if i was being slightly sexist to benjamin earlier on. i love him really, honestly and i am going to make sure watches football on sure he watches the football on sunday. cycling and

sunday. right now, cycling and rowing have been the first sports to ban biological males from competing against women . we from competing against women. we all that. understandable, all get that. understandable, but the of chess has but now the world of chess has has waded in to this debate as well. now, i understand you don't want a strap in a huge man going up against you in a physical sport like boxing? probably not a good idea , but probably not a good idea, but chess now really , i mean, i chess now really, i mean, i can't play. i struggle with draughts. you wouldn't be surprised to hear that, would you? so, benjamin , you actually you? so, benjamin, you actually might not do women's football, but you play chess . but you play chess. >> not very well. okay, so what do you make of this story? >> so this is basically the story is a french transgender chess player has complained to the international chess federation who have banned transgender women from female chess tournament . and she is chess tournament. and she is saying that she should be allowed now , the issue is that allowed now, the issue is that she can still play in open tournaments . she can still play in open tournaments. i mean, most chess competitions are anyone can play. yeah. but they have set up

a female competition just so to encourage more women to play the game basically . so what's why game basically. so what's why why doesn't she just play the normal chess competition? >> well, it's obviously it doesn't have the same issues as something like boxing example, where it is or rugby where you could genuinely get injured when you've got this bloke coming running or punching you running at you or punching you in whatever else, but in a face or whatever else, but you know, chess, obviously there's a reason why it's separated. said they're separated. they said they're suspending it for two years while they study it and have a better understanding of what the differences are between the two because don't want put because they don't want to put loads people into the female loads of people into the female chess tournament . and if there chess tournament. and if there is any advantage or problems that come from this, they get a lot of complaints and it would be a huge problem. they get all sorts of legal issues and trouble as a result. so i think they haven't said they're banning transgenders from playing again. playing chess again. >> that's why i >> no, no, no. that's why i mean, you can go and play chess still. it's still problem. still. it's still a problem. >> still completely >> no, it's still completely fine. think it's just of fine. i think it's just one of these ridiculous stories we

these ridiculous stories that we always have to deal with where unfortunately, we all of unfortunately, we spend all of our talking the trans our time talking about the trans wars and it's a very small portion of the population. it's an even smaller portion of the population who play chess or compete sports or whatever compete in sports or whatever else. obviously, a huge else. obviously, it's a huge flagship culture issue . but flagship culture war issue. but look, got so many other look, we've got so many other more important things to talk about. why do always to about. why do we always have to go very small go on about this very small minority people ? minority of people? >> it is a bit of >> i mean, it is a bit of a weird one. this story as we all get the physicals. >> actually, it's weirder than you think because the english chess federation have no problem with transgender women playing in the ladies matches . in fact, in the ladies matches. in fact, they've they've they've got one playing for england. right. they say absolutely no problem that that we think we think we also they say they think women play chess. really well. there was a champion before the war, the world champion for 17 years was a woman and only stopped when she was killed by a bomb in

clapham. right. so i mean, really, really sad. but they they so what they said is, is no, of course , we're perfectly no, of course, we're perfectly happy with trans women are women are perfectly happy with trans women . the reason that we have women. the reason that we have we have women's competitions is because it is a massively male dominated sport and actually they just like a bit of space. what they say is that the international federation is dominated by the russians and it's about putin. putin doesn't like transgender and that's what it's all about. and that's why the english are absolutely sticking to their guns and saying anybody can play chess. and if you say you're a woman, then we'll put you in the women's competition. we're absolutely happy for it. oh, wow. >> wow. >> and scarlett being much cleverer than me, you did actually look up the difference between men and women's, right? can you explain? is there. >> no, there i mean, it's >> no, there isn't. i mean, it's about really about just about it's really about just male domination . about it's really about just male domination. i about it's really about just male domination . i mean, the male domination. i mean, the fact that that we had what's.

anyway, i've left her name out. so the fact that we had this woman march for 17 years, i mean, there are really, really good women players. i mean, actually two labour mps that wins. angela and angela eagle and her twin were chess champions in liverpool. i mean, there are there are women . it's there are there are women. it's just that it's a very, very male dominated game, not because of their brains, but but partly because, you know, they're they're brought up. i have to say that that i have tried chess and i am completely i know the rules . i am useless at it. i do rules. i am useless at it. i do not have a brain that works for chess. >> my mind doesn't either. my brain doesn't work for most things. on a friday night. hopefully you're doing better than me out there, right? meanwhile, have another meanwhile, we have another gender father ted, gender war story. father ted, creator lyneham, has creator of grand lyneham, has staged his show outside the scottish parliament after it was cancelled from two fringe venues in the edinburgh fringe. now if comedy is art and is therefore

subjective , why are we still subjective, why are we still cancelling people if there isn't an audience for it, then people simply won't go , that's fine, simply won't go, that's fine, that's your choice. but people are wanting to see this. this show, before it was cancelled, was sold out. and what is the difference between graham's views? it's that old transgender . he speaks out for women's rights . his father, creator. rights. his father, ted creator. remember or comedy compared to ricky gervais, who's made similar jokes ricky gervais, who's made similarjokes about ricky gervais, who's made similar jokes about transgender issues or frankie boyle, who's joked about rape , which joked about rape, which personally i find slightly more offensive benjamin , why? offensive? um, benjamin, why? why is someone making a joke about the transgender issue acceptable? because you've . but acceptable? because you've. but graham lynam isn't . graham lynam isn't. >> yeah, well, the funny thing about the history of the edinburgh fringe is that it was originally the edinburgh festival . yeah. and they had festival. yeah. and they had this thing where they were quite, you know, the old establishment. the establishment. remember the people to wear people who used to wear pinstripe and hats pinstripe suits and bowler hats and copy of the daily and carry a copy of the daily telegraph who longer the telegraph who are no longer the establishment said, we don't telegraph who are no longer the estabirreverent said, we don't telegraph who are no longer the estabirreverent acts. aid, we don't telegraph who are no longer the estabirreverent acts. we we don't telegraph who are no longer the estabirreverent acts. we don'ton't want irreverent acts. we don't want irreverent acts. we don't want that aren't, you want things that aren't, you know, keeping our polite

know, in keeping with our polite british humour. and so british sense of humour. and so a people went off and a few people went off and started the edinburgh fringe. so that could have free speech that you could have free speech and you could put on and comedy and you could put on any you could say, if any acts and you could say, if you to come along, you want to come along, let people with feet, as people vote with their feet, as it were. so it seems a bit weird. the fringe has now become the establishment. now the establishment. it's now become was created to become what it was created to oppose are now gatekeeping oppose and are now gatekeeping against seemingly in against what is seemingly in reverse. the people who think they're establishment they're anti establishment are actually the establishment actually now the establishment and they're doing exactly the same thing that they originally oppose. so i graham oppose. so i think graham linehan, you know, a titan linehan, you know, he's a titan of comedy . he created not only of comedy. he created not only father ted, which the father ted, which is the personal favourite mine. yeah personal favourite of mine. yeah brilliant made, but brilliant sitcoms ever made, but also the crowd, which is also also the it crowd, which is also another of greatest another one of the greatest sitcom british sitcoms made in the previous 20, 30 years. and he also, i believe, did black books, didn't he, or? yeah, i did. yeah. i mean, he looking just at his output, this is someone who shouldn't be cancelable in the comedy world. i mean, he's paved the way for so many things. and he also, by

casting young unknown irish actors say graham norton, for example. yes of course, introduced other people into the world who are now , you know, world who are now, you know, thansin world who are now, you know, titans in their own right. it seems ridiculous to me that someone like him for the horrible crime of saying maybe we should have a bit more safeguarding. and scarlett pittman and scarlett, he's been actually quite upset by he's given a very tearful interview saying mental saying it's affecting his mental health, affecting his family. >> we have to ask ourselves, >> so we have to ask ourselves, i mean, you know, should we sense a comedy? surely >> i think this is more slightly it. who is doing the censoring is what we have to ask. the reason that at the venues that he was and he was booked into two yes we know the name of one we don't know the name. the second was was it was purely commercial is they said if we have him we're going to lose other people. so do you i mean, you can say to the venues you're not allowed to make that decision. you're not allowed to say actually , we really mostly

say actually, we really mostly you do , you know, ngt stuff and you do, you know, ngt stuff and you do, you know, ngt stuff and you have to have him. but but i don't know who they is. i mean, the point is, is that these were these were commercial decisions . we might not agree with them , . we might not agree with them, but actually it was the venues that it was the venue . that it was the venue. >> i don't buy that. >> i don't buy that. >> well . well. so who cancelled >> well. well. so who cancelled him ? him? >> well, i think, you know, you don't negotiate with terrorists . if someone says we're not going if this guy is going to perform, if this guy is on stage, you say, okay, don't. >> no, no, but this this is >> no, no, but but this this is just you're bow group. just me. you're the bow group. this commercial. this is this is a commercial. this is a commercial . it was commercial commercial. it was a commercial decision. wasn't decision. right. this wasn't somebody on high runs the somebody on high who runs the fringe saying you're not allowed to have him. these were venues that said, no, we're not going to have him. the backlash is too much. >> so we're running out of time . right. just one quick answer is for joking . right. just one quick answer is forjoking about is anything up forjoking about scarlett, yes or no ? joke about scarlett, yes or no? joke about whatever you want and no one should be offended. i i think i think it's not the subject

matter. m atter. >> matter. >> it's how it's done. >> it's how it's done. >> it's how it's done. >> i think if it's more funny than it's offensive, then it's okay. if it's more offensive than funny, don't do it. perfect. >> right. okay. well, that's it from me today. thank you to my wonderful angus and up wonderful panel, angus and up next a wonderful patrick next is a wonderful patrick christys very funny and christys who is very funny and not input marked not cancel his input marked ellen. patrick, what's going on tonight? >> hey , fabulous show, though. >> hey, fabulous show, though. thank very for that. thank you very much for that. yes. i will be on your screens for the next two hours. we're going to be talking about whether should be whether or not william should be to going cup final. to going the world cup final. i'm talking about i'm going to be talking about jonathan going and jonathan van—tam going and working we're going working for moderna. we're going live to italy talk about the live to italy to talk about the migrant crisis there, because that's all coming our way. should a jihadi bride now be a tiktok influencer ? and of tiktok influencer? and of course, course, of course. course, of course, of course. we are be about are going to be talking about that desperately distressing case of lucy letby. i'll be analysing her psychologically and asking whether or not evil actually exists or actually can. mental health issues . excuse me. mental health issues. excuse me. all of that is coming your way. i've got a fabulous panel with nina mischka. i've got housewives favourite aidan magee

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