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newsroom. >> at 3:01, england have missed out on world cup glory , losing out on world cup glory, losing the final to spain . one nil the the final to spain. one nil the lionesses came agonisingly close to becoming the first england senior side to win the trophy since the men's team in 1966. the king praised their skill, determined and team spirit and the prime minister, rishi sunak, said while it wasn't to be, they've already secured their legacy as game changers. well, we spoke to some disappointed fansin we spoke to some disappointed fans in bristol. >> i still think we're better than the man, basically. yeah. and they've made us they've made the nation proud. yeah. and they give you could see it right up until the last minute. give until the last minute. they give everything so well everything they got so well done, england. i'm feeling a little bit sad because they lost , but they did do really good and tried really well to go into the final put. >> they deserve more. they could have given more, but at the end

of the day, with so many to the final and what's to do in it is the story of the british life. win or lose , get on the booze. win or lose, get on the booze. we're going to go get on the booze. >> well, they weren't the only ones watching. england supporters gathered at fan zones across the country at box park in wembley, a huge crowd was cheering the team on, watching the game on big screens. and despite the loss alert, a member of the original lionesses team of the original lionesses team of 1972 still has hope for the future. >> i think that whole whole of england is very emotional at the moment. it could have come home. spain was just that little bit better. if i have to be honest, we should have just done the take the chances. what we had. it wasn't to be. it will come home eventually . home eventually. >> to other news now. the british medical association is calling for hospital managers to be regulated in a similar way to medical staff. the call comes in the wake of lucy levy's conviction. the bma says it's

deeply worrying that consultants who repeatedly raise concerns about the former nurse won't listen to letby , who was found listen to letby, who was found guilty of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of six others, has indicated she won't attend her sentencing tomorrow. former justice secretary robert buckland says she should be forced to listen. >> my suggestion have been to make sure that there was a live link beamed into the cell, either sound or sound and pictures to ensure that letby had nowhere to hide and that she, in effect, has to listen to what the judge is saying about the case and most importantly, the case and most importantly, the victim personal statements. those impact statements that will really bring home, i think, to the wider world the appalling, devastating impact of the loss of these innocent children, these innocent babies have had upon dozens of families i >> -- >>a50 >> a 50 year old man will appear in court tomorrow following the major police data breach in northern ireland. he's been charged with possessing

documents likely to be useful to terrorists . it's after the terrorists. it's after the details of 10,000 officers and staff were published online by mistake . police believe the mistake. police believe the information is now in the hands of dissident republican owens . a of dissident republican owens. a new brit school is set to open in bradford in west yorkshire. the government has confirmed it'll be based on the award winning performing arts brit school in south london. it helped launch the careers of some of britain's best known artists and actors, including adele, amy winehouse and tom holland. sky schools minister nick gibb says it's an exciting project . project. >> we wanted young people to have the same opportunities in the north of england as they have in the brit school in south london without having to travel all the way south. this is a all the way south. so this is a school for 516 to 19 year olds, specially drama dance , the specially in drama dance, the technical side of and singing and the technical side of theatre production as well. so it's very exciting project. it should be open in 3 or 4 years time . time. >> russia's lunar 25 spacecraft

has crashed on the moon. a rocket carrying the craft launched on the 11th of august. the country in a space race against india, whose chandrayaan three is due to land on the satellite south pole this week. this was moscow's first mission to the moon in 47 years. the failed attempt is a blow to the country, which was hoping to return with the first samples of frozen . water this is gb news frozen. water this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now, though, it's back to easter . easter. >> thanks, thompson and before we get stuck into our debates over the next hour, let me introduce you to my panel. joining me today is political commentator and former conservative special adviser claire pursell and former adviser to jeremy corbyn, james schneider, who will be going

head to head . and here's what head to head. and here's what else is coming up today. it's not coming home despite a brilliant effort from the lionesses. spain have been crowned world champions in sydney. we'll be digging into all the latest in just in that in just about a moment. and away from the world cup baby killer nurse lucy letby , well, she is nurse lucy letby, well, she is set to be sentenced tomorrow at manchester crown court. it comes as calls grow to investigate claims of corporate manslaughter as spies bosses are accused of gross negligence . and could the gross negligence. and could the prodigal son return? king charles has organised a summer balmoral summit with the prince and princess of wales, but news today that prince harry might attend has everyone wondering whether you might return to the royal fold and brexit revenge . royal fold and brexit revenge. are the eu to blame for our border troubles? an ex border force boss certainly think so. as he accuses the eu of fuelling

the migrant crisis as punishment for brexit and the family of victorian era prime minister william gladstone are set to apologise for links to the slave trade. we'll be looking at whose responsibility it is to apologise for slave links that is coming up in the next hour. tell me what you think of everything we're discussing by emailing gb views at gb news or tweet me at . gb news. well, it tweet me at. gb news. well, it wasn't to be spain have clinched the women's world cup title for the women's world cup title for the first time ever, defeating england 1—0 at the final in sydney. sadly it's not coming home and i have to say i'm absolutely lutely gutted about that. absolutely lutely gutted about that . i watched it. it takes that. i watched it. it takes a lot to push me to tears , but i lot to push me to tears, but i think i really was at the end.

joining me now is sports broadcaster aidan magee. amen. amen and aiden, it wasn't to be. i'm genuinely gutted. >> yes, same here. i mean, like it was coming home, didn't it? but unfortunately, it seemed to lose the front door keys because on it just wasn't good on the day it just wasn't good enough, quite frankly. i mean, it was a listless performance in the first half. that's why the changes were made half changes were made at half time. two important substitutions coming up. two important substitutions coni ng up. two important substitutions coni think. two important substitutions coni think it was that bad. >> i think it was that bad. >> i think it was that bad. >> listen to the commentary. >> i listen to the commentary. they said they had a momentary lapse of constant elation which allowed get goal. allowed spain to get that goal. did think it was that bad did you think it was that bad or. >> i'm not sure . i'm not sure it >> i'm not sure. i'm not sure it was concentration. lucy bronze was concentration. lucy bronze was trying to do something from from right or from from the right side or right position or right right back position or right wing tries drift wing back. she tries to drift into middle the field to into the middle of the field to try try and the try and try and impose the initiative on spain because things hadn't been going well for up to then. that for england up to then. and that was minute. she lost was the 29th minute. she lost possession. what is possession. now what happened is the filtered to the the ball filtered over to the right this is what right hand side. this is what the top sides do. esther spain switched the play very cleverly from they

from right to left, where they knew there space where lucy knew there was space where lucy bronze vacated. that created bronze had vacated. that created the cardona went the overload. and cardona went down scored the goal down and scored the goal that was worthy winning the was well worthy of winning the world so it was a world cup final. so it was a mistake. i wouldn't it was mistake. i wouldn't say it was because a lack of concentration, you the british team, the you know, the british team, the engush you know, the british team, the english team, english went english team, english team went out on the attack 15 minutes. >> they nearly got a goal, didn't hit crossbar? it didn't they hit the crossbar? it was and then, yes , you was close. and then, yes, you know, 1—0. but when mary saved that penalty, i thought this could be a game changer here. this could be what gives. >> yeah, well, it should have beenin >> yeah, well, it should have been in the confidence to win. >> it just. >> yes, it just. >> yes, it just. >> well, it just. it just wasn't there. the it took there. and also when the it took so it's such so long, it's such a deliberation for the referee to decide that it was a penalty. i felt that they have felt that they should have probably should stuck with probably should have stuck with the decision because the on field decision because it took so long to decide whether it a penalty or not. that's it was a penalty or not. that's a though. a whole game, though. >> game. yes. nobody was calling. >> i know. know. but then when >> i know. i know. but then when you the so you see the you see the flag, so you see the sign up to say 13 minutes, that should have given england the impetus plenty impetus because there's plenty of of united win

impetus because there's plenty of treble of united win impetus because there's plenty of treble in of united win impetus because there's plenty of treble in 1999 of united win impetus because there's plenty of treble in 1999 didn't|ited win impetus because there's plenty of treble in 1999 didn't playwin the treble in 1999 didn't play well in that final at all against bayern munich. but when the for at the the board went up for at the time people said that one time of us people said that one i saw approaching you time of us people said that one i coming approaching you time of us people said that one i coming theiroaching you time of us people said that one i coming the pitch. ng you know coming on the pitch. >> look nervous. you >> they look nervous. you thought they were tired? >> thought it looked bit >> i thought it looked a bit tired. mean, that's not tired. yeah i mean, that's not conditioning they conditioning issue. look, they played over three played seven matches over three weeks hadn't played weeks and they hadn't played for two months either. two months before that either. so. why they two months before that either. so. just why they two months before that either. so. just england why they two months before that either. so. just england players|ey two months before that either. so. just england players to not just the england players to play not just the england players to play europe well, play around europe as well, but it took while get going. it took a while to get going. they as the they got stronger as the tournament to they got stronger as the touraament to they got stronger as the toura word: to they got stronger as the toura word about to they got stronger as the toura word about spain to they got stronger as the toura word about spain here, 0 say a word about spain here, though. their players last though. 15 of their players last december decided they don't want to had to play because they had a problem with the coach and the professionalism coach. professionalism of the coach. not many of those players. they were came not many of those players. they were they've came not many of those players. they were they've done came not many of those players. they were they've done it came not many of those players. they were they've done it without back. they've done it without some their players. some of their key players. i think enormous some of their key players. i think for enormous some of their key players. i think for performingiormous some of their key players. i think for performing well)us some of their key players. i think for performing well on credit for performing well on the day. >> p- p— e you know, we're the day. >> bad you know, we're the day. >> bad and know, we're the day. >> bad and how, we're the day. >> bad and i thinkre're the day. >> bad and i think the not bad losers. and i think the girls, women, they're showed not bad losers. and i think the girls,weren't,nen, they're showed not bad losers. and i think the girls,weren't, were :hey're showed not bad losers. and i think the girls,weren't, were :hey're they/ed they weren't, were they? they were positive. you know, they took crowd took the applause from the crowd and the spanish. >> i just i just felt in >> just so i just i just felt in that first half, they were overrun in midfield, not england, not not by bodies, but by spaniards england, not not by bodies, but by harry spaniards england, not not by bodies, but by harry redknapp spaniards england, not not by bodies, but by harry redknapp yesterday.1iards to harry redknapp yesterday. >> and he said day before to harry redknapp yesterday. >> and we said day before to harry redknapp yesterday. >> and we were day before to harry redknapp yesterday. >> and we were saying,3efore to harry redknapp yesterday. >> and we were saying, oh, re to harry redknapp yesterday. >> and we were saying, oh, what because we were saying, oh, what

will girls be will he be doing the girls be doing before? was doing the day before? and he was very they've to very much, look, they've got to just, take it easy, just, you know, take it easy, not excited, not not get too excited, not get worn relax the day before. worn out, relax the day before. do they managed do do you think they managed to do that? you think this is where that? do you think this is where they edge? they lost their edge? >> know. i think the >> no, i don't know. i think the relaxation any coach >> no, i don't know. i think the rela1tell n any coach >> no, i don't know. i think the rela1tell you any coach >> no, i don't know. i think the rela1tell you harry)ach >> no, i don't know. i think the rela1tell you harry wasn't will tell you that harry wasn't really turn really speaking out of turn there. that's what normally happens i don't know happens beforehand. i don't know whether can truly switch off whether you can truly switch off before cup final . i before a world cup final. i mean, there been stories of mean, there have been stories of world in the past world cup finals in the past in both and female games both the male and female games where have said it's where players have said it's impossible. they didn't get any sleep. always some sleep. they always want some players world cups and players have won world cups and major titles without getting any sleep. the sleep. don't admit that at the time, and time, but it does happen. and it's effect it has on your it's the effect it has on your body. >> the manchester arena. >> and the manchester arena. serena, what do think ? serena, what do we think? >> i think well, look, she's done brilliantly well. mean, done brilliantly well. i mean, she she wasn't she no one can say she wasn't bold her substitutions at bold with her substitutions at half was half time. i don't think it was any solution any i don't think the solution to the problems was lying to any of the problems was lying on the bench. now, the players who on affected the who came on really affected the game. the day, game. and now just on the day, i'm that england i'm not saying that england are advancing spain advancing them to beat spain in most did beat most situations. they did beat them last year, but them in the euros last year, but on esther england

on the day esther england were not quite good enough. and that's do in that's what you have to do in top level. >> so they've got to pick themselves got pick themselves up. i've got to pick myself the next game. myself up for the next game. they're the next they're going to win the next one uke they're going to win the next one like matches one or something like 31 matches without lost on without losing. they lost on that the one, that one. so the next one, they're going to back they're going to be back scotland fighting they're going to be back scotlagain fighting they're going to be back scotlagain . fighting they're going to be back scotlagain . come fighting they're going to be back scotlagain . come on, fighting they're going to be back scotlagain . come on, come ng they're going to be back scotlagain . come on, come on, form again. come on, come on, you lions . aiden, thank you very you lions. aiden, thank you very much indeed . now, moving away much indeed. now, moving away from the world cup, it's a story that has truly shocked the nation. nurse lucy letby , who nation. nurse lucy letby, who has become modern britain's most prolific serial killer of children . it's chilling. but as children. it's chilling. but as we come to terms with the reality of the verdict, attention is now turning to the hospital bosses who failed to act on concerns raised over letby the british medical association, which represents doctors, has today led the calls for senior health service administrator to be held accountable and in an interview with the observer, dr. jo evans, whose evidence was central in the case against letby, has accused hospital executives of being grossly negligent . it

being grossly negligent. it comes as letby will be sentenced tomorrow at manchester crown court. formerjustice tomorrow at manchester crown court. former justice secretary robert buckland has told gb news the focus of the inquiry has to be on why whistle blowers were ignored . ignored. >> i think from what we're seeing, the emerging reports about this case do reveal that a number of professionals had deep concern and there were clearly complaints , procedures and complaints, procedures and a number of processes that were undertaken within the nhs prior to the arrest of letby and that clearly has to be the focus now of the inquiry to understand precisely what went wrong, why it is that people who are blowing the whistle don't seem to have been properly listened to have been properly listened to . to. >> joining me now to discuss all of this is my panel today, claire pearsall political commentator and former conservative special adviser and james schneider, former adviser to jeremy corbyn. now, james and

claire, what do you think of those accusations of corporate manslaughter against these doctors and administrators, starting with you, claire? >> i think it's definitely worth looking at. i think yesterday we were all consumed by the awfulness of the crime . the awfulness of the crime. the trial itself . but then when that trial itself. but then when that settles down and you look to who was at fault and you read the stories and the testimonies of those doctors, those experienced consultants who were concerned and raised those red flags with hospital management to be told ultimately they needed to apologise to the nurse involved because they were bullying her. so i think you do need to have a look at what sort of responsibility those hospital managers are going have, managers are going to have, because at the moment seems because at the moment it seems that are allowed to get that they are allowed to get away free. away scot free. >> james i've been reading this. i absorb in it about what went on and i was going back to the beginning with doctor stephen brewery there, who when he saw those four relatively healthy

babies collapse, all of a sudden three died. one was saved and this was in a couple of weeks those number of kids dying, their babies dying. there that would have happened in a year. so he started to look into what had happened and brought this to the attention of the managers, but seemed not interested. but they seemed not interested. >> i mean, it's worse than not interested. basically interested. they basically blamed the doctors. so it seems so from the evidence that's come out in court, the interviews that the doctors have given, the emails that sent by emails that were sent by management. just that management. it's not just that they didn't listen them. they they didn't listen to them. they said that what were doing said that what they were doing were . there's one email, i were wrong. there's one email, i think, from the chief executive which says, now we're going to draw line under this, saying draw a line under this, saying that really the medical professionals who saw this was a problem worked out . problem worked out. >> what was most likely to be happening in that she was on on duty in all of these cases and tried to do something about it. they did exactly what anybody who's taking the hippocratic oath, anybody who's trying to be

a medical professional is doing. and think i mean, so, yes, and i think i mean, so, yes, this this there should be a proper investigation. and if there is corporate manslaughter , then that that should be that should brought but i should be brought forward. but i think that in the think it does show that in the nhs, as in many other things, but in the nhs management and the executive have gained more and more power over recent decades to the detriment of the frontline staff who in this case did everything completely right. so concerns raised in like the july 2015 form investigation not looked into until july 2016. >> can you believe it? lucy letby brought a grievance case against the hospital. then the management and the management then took her side saying, well, maybe move to alder. hey, we'll maybe move to alder. hey, we'll maybe put her on a masters course , but the chief executive course, but the chief executive was like saying to lucy's parents, we'll sort the doctors out and the medical director was

saying, we've got to protect lucy from these allegations. clare, what was going on? >> i think it's really worrying that we now turn the focus onto the poor nurse, wasn't she treated badly when in actual fact the concerns that were raised were really quite serious? the common denominator in all of these really, really sad deaths was whether she was on duty . those doctors knew full on duty. those doctors knew full well that those collapses in those babies weren't normal and i think there was a stat of how many babies had died when lucy letby was there. and in the seven years after she has left there, there had been one. so you can have a look at the stark reality . reality. >> i think just a quick answer to both of you. why you think to both of you. why do you think they reluctant to bring they were so reluctant to bring case? about the case? was it about the reputation? they want reputation? they didn't want disruption what they not disruption. what were they not bringing some form of formal investigation the in full? >> i think it's all of that. i think it's a reputation management for themselves. they don't to have a don't want to be seen to have a hospital has a problem hospital which has a problem with they certainly hospital which has a problem withwanted they certainly hospital which has a problem withwanted to they certainly hospital which has a problem withwanted to drawiey certainly hospital which has a problem withwanted to draw a! certainly hospital which has a problem withwanted to draw a line tainly hospital which has a problem withwanted to draw a line on..y

james. >> what do you think? >> what do you think? >> mean, this is why we need >> i mean, this is why we need an investigation properly to know exactly why. but on on the face of it, for the information we have, it looks like it's executive buck passing exactly as claire was saying. they don't want to be a problem. want it to be a problem. so rather looking the rather than looking at the problem that's staring them in the face, there's after the face, there's tragedy after tragedy. they they just sort of swept under the carpet. >> thanks, james. well, you're watching gb news watching esther mcvey on gb news on your tv and on digital radio. coming up, could prince harry be set to return to the royal fold 7 set to return to the royal fold ? and is king charles just keeping the throne warm for prince william? that's all after the weather . the weather. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello. i am dan stroud and this is your latest gb news forecast from the met office. so we currently have high pressure to the south of the country and further to the north we have

this big area of low pressure and that is helping to keep it generally unsettled . the further generally unsettled. the further north and west you are . we north and west you are. we currently have thicker cloud with outbreaks of rain pushing in across parts of northern ireland and northwest scotland for further to the south and east across much of england and wales, largely dry . and with wales, largely dry. and with those clear skies overnight temperatures dipping low enough for some mist and fog patches to actually form by dawn. but these figures, these temperatures largely staying in double figures overnight. it largely staying in double figures overnight . it sets a figures overnight. it sets a bright start to monday morning with any mist and fog across the extreme south and east, quick to actually lift further to the north. we do have that thicker cloud and rain starting to actually push in during the course of the day across parts of scotland and northern ireland. and the winds will also be freshening up through the irish sea. and with those slightly breezier conditions, despite the fact that these temperatures are higher than the values sunday, it will values we saw on sunday, it will feel slightly there

feel slightly chillier out there . so on tuesday , that band of . so on tuesday, that band of cloud and rain will continue to push southwards in to england and wales . and that changeable and wales. and that changeable theme continues for the rest of theme continues for the rest of the week with temperatures peaking on wednesday. bye for now . how. >> now. >> that warm feeling inside from boxed bowyer's proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> you're with esther mcvey on gb news. the people's channel. coming up, are the eu enacting her brexit revenge ? that's her brexit revenge? that's according to an ex border force agent who has accused the eu of fuelling the migrant crisis . but fuelling the migrant crisis. but up next is king charles just keeping the seat warm for prince william

>> the people's channel. >> the people's channel. >> britain's news . >> the people's channel. >> britain's news. channel >> britain's news. channel >> hello, welcome back. the times 324. you with esther mcvey on gb news on tv and on digital radio. so let's get back into it. king charles has apparently organised the summit to be held at balmoral castle this summer with the prince and princess of wales to discuss future plans for the monarchy going forward. but could a surprise visit from prince harry throw a spanner in the works? is this the return of the works? is this the return of the prodigal son, the duke of sussex will be travelling back from the invictus games in germany via london, but meghan

won't be in attendance if a meeting is held , it will be held meeting is held, it will be held for the first time with harry and ed, and it's the first time we've spoken face to face with the royal family since the publication of that bombshell memoir spare. so let's get the thoughts of the panel . memoir spare. so let's get the thoughts of the panel. i'll start with you, claire. >> well, it's the grand soap opera that keeps on giving. i think it's a story in two parts. if you're going to look at king charles and the prince and princess of wales coming together to look where together to look at where the monarchy goes in the future and how it works, i think this is fantastic and it shows that king charles really does value william. and also shows that actually is put in a bigger strain on him than he thought. >> so excited to get the job. the man is now 74, 75in october and he's saying, the man is now 74, 75in october and he's saying , actually, do and he's saying, actually, do you what? i could a you know what? i could be a better caretaker. and look at what william's going to do, because is quite because it really is quite exhausting, if that's right. >> setting scene >> and he's setting the scene really william. i think this really for william. i think this is . it is stability.

is continuity. it is stability. it's not going to make anybody see anything particularly different, but it allows william , when he does become to king, move on and do what he wants to do, he will be a lot younger. he'll have lot energy. he'll have a lot more energy. and this exactly the and i think this is exactly the right way. and i'm so pleased that happening way. right way. and i'm so pleased thajamesappening way. right way. and i'm so pleased thajames itpening way. right way. and i'm so pleased thajames it was 1g way. >> james it was quite interesting that bombshell interesting in that bombshell interview diana , as well as interview with diana, as well as saying there was three in this marriage. she also really questioned charles's fitness, as in, you know, he wanted things done very quickly . he might not done very quickly. he might not have had the patience to do this . it could be too demanding a job on him. is that maybe what charles has come into terms with now as he wants? will to maybe take over and for him to be the big reforming king and not himself ? himself? >> i mean, i don't really know and i don't this is a soap opera. i don't particularly follow. so i, i don't really like my husband, but i mean, if william is being groomed to take over sooner than he's dropped a

bit of a clanger, i think because he should be in sydney right now if we're going to have a ceremonial monarchy. >> a good point. >> that is a good point. actually if he's going to be william big reforming king, william this big reforming king, if going to have, you know if he's going to have, you know , good contact and a great touch and feel for the people . i think and feel for the people. i think he did miss out. and i agree with you. he should have been in australia for world cup final. >> i mean, he's also the head or he's got some ceremony the he's got some ceremony for the president of the of the football association. so really should association. so he really should have there. but have been here, been there. but i mean, actually there was quite a lot across government have not preparing for the fact that we had a good chance of doing really well. mean, they really well. i mean, they should have of have passed some kind of statutory so statutory instruments so the pubs be open earlier if we pubs could be open earlier if we got into the you know, got into the final. you know, things that would things like that, that you would have bit of have thought, well, a bit of forward planning . forward planning. >> didn't want to >> no, maybe they didn't want to tempt them. tempt fate. i will give them. but you're saying but i get what you're saying because odds are they were because the odds are they were going to do very well. i think james has got a good point there. sort of faux pas, a there. a big sort of faux pas, a bit an own goal, if we can bit of an own goal, if we can use that by william. i also

wondered if harry would have snuck out there to be at the final or the women's. him and meghan never want to miss an opportunity and actually could have put himself back into the heart of the people in the uk . heart of the people in the uk. if he is going to have that meeting with charles to possibly come back and re—enter the royal fold. >> well, that's right . and he >> well, that's right. and he could have made some real strides at doing that. now, we don't know for sure that this meeting is to take place . meeting is going to take place. there are a couple of days that the family looking at the royal family are looking at diaries if everybody diaries and see if everybody can get i hope that get together. but i hope that they can have some kind of conversation. i don't know if it's going to solve any problems. quite interestingly, prince harry is going off on his own. he's not taking his wife with him over to the invictus games. could an games. so it could be an opportunity for him to see his father to mend some broken bridges. where is the queen was like the of the nation . like the grandma of the nation. >> you charles is now >> do you think charles is now fitting into that grandfather figure as he is letting his hair

grow a little bit longer? you know , is he trying to be that know, is he trying to be that sort familial person, maybe sort of familial person, maybe he is. >> or maybe it's just convenience. i think at some point we all get to that. let's just sit and let this happen . just sit and let this happen. >> and quickly, do you think the british public would accept harry if he came back ? harry back if he came back? >> convinced they would >> i'm not convinced they would really not. i think all really, really not. i think all of bombshell interviews, really, really not. i think all of particularshell interviews, really, really not. i think all of particular bookinterviews, really, really not. i think all of particular book and views, really, really not. i think all of particular book and allvs, really, really not. i think all of particular book and all of that particular book and all of the drama suddenly said it was meghan. >> are you know, there could be the marriage. it could be on the rocks. that's what people are saying. say, i've made saying. he say, i've made a mistake. you know, love is blind. i want to come back home. >> you all. blind. i want to come back home. >> i you all. blind. i want to come back home. >> i thinklou all. blind. i want to come back home. >> i think it's all. blind. i want to come back home. >> i think it's gone too for >> i think it's gone too far for that, james. >> two too do think if >> two too far. do you think if he if he said, look, he said that, if he said, look, i back, might i want to come back, i might have mistake. i had to have made a mistake. i had to get this off my chest . get this off my chest. >> i don't know. oh, come on. >>— >> i don't know. oh, come on. >> look, if it were your brother or what have you. >> so we're having this they're having this weird psychodrama . having this weird psychodrama. >> harry, would you take your brother back ? brother back? >> in circumstance. >> yes. in every circumstance. well, always there. well, they're always there. >> go in every your brother

>> you go in every your brother . take back? would . would you take him back? would you no you want him back? no >> then i'm an only >> oh, but then i'm an only child >> oh, but then i'm an only chiii >> oh, but then i'm an only chi|i am an child. >> i am an child. >> i am an child. >> i'm an only child. but, you know, maybe had a younger brother about you. but let's let's have a quick look at what you've saying everything let's have a quick look at what you'vebeen saying everything let's have a quick look at what you'vebeen discussing everything let's have a quick look at what you'vebeen discussing soerything let's have a quick look at what you'vebeen discussing so far.�*|ing we've been discussing so far. well, got well done to the well, we've got well done to the engush well, we've got well done to the english while you're english team. while you're disappointed, please remember it was better to take part and lose than never to have taken part at all. and nothing will change unless the managers are prosecuted. that's from audrey. and that could act as a deterrent . and that let me see deterrent. and that let me see here. it's also if we look what paul said , if a person takes paul said, if a person takes a high powered job, they should realise what they are doing . realise what they are doing. they are captain of the ship and they should go down with the ship. if there is a scandal. harsh words there, but that's what we're thinking because we're talking about that. lucy letby there. and what happened

in the nhs with the managers . in the nhs with the managers. why were they so slow to act? that's your view is coming in there. you're watching esther mcvey on gb news on tv and digital radio. still to come , digital radio. still to come, are the eu in acting their brexit revenge ? an ex border brexit revenge? an ex border force chief has accused the eu of fuelling the migrant crisis. you'll hear the thoughts of my panel. you'll hear the thoughts of my panel . that's claire pearsall panel. that's claire pearsall political commentator and former conservative special adviser , conservative special adviser, and james schneider, former adviser to jeremy corbyn. first, so it's the latest headline with . tamsin >> esther thank you. here are the headlines at 331. england have missed out on world cup glory, have missed out on world cup glory , losing the final to glory, losing the final to spain. one nil the lionesses came agonisingly close to becoming the first england senior side to win the trophy since the men's team in 1966.

the prince of wales has tweeted, saying they've done themselves in this nation proud . and the in this nation proud. and the prime minister, rishi sunak , prime minister, rishi sunak, said while it wasn't to be, they've already secured their legacy as game changers. the british medical association is calling for hospital managers to be regulated in a similar way to medical staff. the call comes in the wake of lucy letby conviction. the bma says it's deeply worrying that consultants who repeatedly raised concerns about the former nurse won't listen . to a 50 year old man listen. to a 50 year old man will appear in court tomorrow following the major police data breach in northern ireland. he's been charged with possessing documents likely to be useful to terrorists . it's after the terrorists. it's after the details of 10,000 officers and staff were published online by mistake . and u. brit school is mistake. and u. brit school is set to open in bradford in west yorkshire . the government has yorkshire. the government has confirmed it'll be based on the award winning performing arts brit school in south london. it

helped launch the careers of some of britain's best known artists and actors , including artists and actors, including adele, amy winehouse and tom holland . well you can get more holland. well you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website at gb news.com. now back to esther . news.com. now back to esther. >> thanks. thompson still to come on the programme, the family of a victorian era prime minister are set to apologise over historic slavery. but should they ? whose should they? whose responsibility is it to apologise for links to slavery? that's coming

the people's channel. britain's news . channel news. channel >> welcome back . you're with >> welcome back. you're with esther mcvey on gb news and on digital radio. now now a former border force boss has accused the european union of deliberately prolonging the migrant crisis as a way of punishing the uk over brexit. it ex—british borders chief tony smith says the eu's refusal to strike a deal to take back those who crossed the channel illegally comes out of spite for the uk's decision to leave the bloc. so is this the eu's brexit revenge? let's get the thoughts of my panel . revenge? let's get the thoughts of my panel. that's revenge? let's get the thoughts of my panel . that's political of my panel. that's political commentator , former adviser and commentator, former adviser and special adviser . that's claire special adviser. that's claire pearsall and former adviser to jeremy corbyn, james schneider . jeremy corbyn, james schneider. so james is this revenge for

brexit? no this is embarrassing buck passing and whining on the part of this. >> this guy, tony smith , and >> this guy, tony smith, and then on the sunday express, putting on on the front page, i mean, the reason why we have refugees in the world is that's not the eu doing that to britain. and the fact that there isn't a sustainable policy which would involve us and european countries working together to come up with some agreements , come up with some agreements, that's not their fault. i mean , that's not their fault. i mean, they haven't been part of it. and then the fact that refusing to a new pact, well , and then the fact that refusing to a new pact, well, is this to do a new pact, well, is this sulking then? >> is this just sulking that the europeans are doing ? europeans are doing? >> we need to negotiate an agreement with them, which is actually wider than just to do with the channel and we also need to have some safe routes because currently there are zero safe routes open unless you're coming from hong kong or ukraine. >> well, that's not zero then, is it? so unless, unless i.

>> so you can come from afghanistan and there isn't really a route from afghanistan. so you got hong kong , you've got so you got hong kong, you've got i said afghanistan. >> no , no, no, no, no, no. >> no, no, no, no, no, no. syria. you've got various routes to come. >> there's no routes, there's no legal route. there's no legal route syria . route from syria. >> but well, you've got syrians coming over and being supported , but there's no safe routes. >> there's safe route for >> there's no safe route for syrians i if you syrians to come. i mean, if you have you have to have to, who would you have to say fruitful when they say there's 100 million there's at least 100 million people to come in, what people wanting to come in, what would have safe routes would you have safe routes for everybody would with everybody then i would work with the other countries that could be recipient countries to have an agreement where you've got fair quotas between those countries. and then you do take you process them , process them you process them, process them in the hope you'd be doing first, then you'd be looking at the safe route. >> but as say , winning move, >> but as you say, winning move, doing about millions doing something about millions and of people , tens, and millions of people, tens, hundreds of millions of people wanting what do wanting to move across. what do you think, clare? is some you think, clare? is this some sort of brexit revenge? is this sulking or do they not see it as

a top priority? things do seem to have changed, whether it's the illegal gangs who are basically getting money out of just distraught people who were desperate. >> i think there is a part of it thatis >> i think there is a part of it that is going to be revenge for brexit, but it's very simplistic to say the whole argument is surrounding that there is no incentive for the eu to help us whatsoever and we should expect that. but the eu themselves have their own set of individual problems because they want all of these sort of quotas between their own member states and the likes of hungary are really unhappy with that . poland looked unhappy with that. poland looked like they're going to go to a referendum as to how many people they're going to their they're going to take their country does not want have country does not want to have the eu informing them of what they're going to do. so they have their own internal battles right be right now. we're going to be right now. we're going to be right down bottom any right down the bottom of any list help and, you know, list to help and, you know, people will that. people will get that. >> could down >> they'll say it could be down the there's of the list. there's lots of internal pressures within all of the but france has taken

the eu, but france has taken £480 million from the uk's half a billion pounds to help with this problem. are they are they doing enough for that money? >> the short answer is no, they're not. and again, that's just surprise nobody because we have given money to france in the past to bolster up the supported on the beaches, to provide drones , to provide sand provide drones, to provide sand dune buggies to you name it. we've done that . and now we've we've done that. and now we've put more money across there . i put more money across there. i think extra problems come in in august france goes on august because france goes on houday. august because france goes on holiday . so think have all holiday. so i think you have all of but none of of those issues. but none of this whatsoever . this surprised us whatsoever. but we do. and i think this is where that you where james is, right. that you need looking further need to start looking further afield. deal with afield. how you deal with migration, because it isn't as simple as saying that those 26 miles of water are the issue because they're not. you've lost that argument. as as those that argument. as soon as those people of people are on the shores of dunkirk calais. dunkirk and calais. >> but people will say, as i've raised up the £480 million, the french should never have taken that money. then if they were going to say these people have

landed on french shores , they're landed on french shores, they're in a safe country. we've taken that money. we therefore should be looking after them and not allowing them to get in boats and travel illegally to the uk . and travel illegally to the uk. >> maybe we should negotiate a better deal with the french. we should also certainly open up a safe route in calais so that people that want to come to the uk that have a legitimate reason to into the refugee fees to come into the uk refugee fees can come don't have. can come and don't have. >> would would >> what would you do? would you do paperwork , as it were, do the paperwork, as it were, pnor do the paperwork, as it were, prior to them leaving france? how would do ? that's what it how would you do? that's what it should be done. that's how it should be done. that's how it should done. should be properly done. >> for example, you >> yeah. so. so for example, you , your you're an afghani. you had to flee the taliban . you i had to flee the taliban. you i don't know. you were a fixer for the bbc or something like that. you turn up in calais, you should do your paperwork there. it should be processed there. and then should be brought and then you should be brought to . i would and then you should be brought to have, . i would and then you should be brought to have, i . i would and then you should be brought to have, i think i would and then you should be brought to have, i think withi would and then you should be brought to have, i think with an ould also have, i think with an agreement with the eu states, not just with not just with us, we should have the same thing in agadez same thing in agadez and the same thing in

tripoli the same thing in tripoli and the same thing in istanbul, to honest. tripoli and the same thing in isté but l, to honest. tripoli and the same thing in isté but with honest. tripoli and the same thing in isté but with that)nest. tripoli and the same thing in isté but with that automatic >> but with that automatic basically them come basically allow them to come to the the same the uk or would that at the same time we've we've looked at time say we've we've looked at your what going your paperwork. what we're going to to another third to send you is to another third country that is safe like rwanda. surely it can't mean again that they all come to the shores of the uk. last year, 620,000 people in that migration here. can you have more than that? would they go to another country? >> okay, let's separate out the two things, because you said 625,000 net migration, which is a i'm just saying, can we take any more people ? any more people? >> that's all. i'm just asking. >> that's all. i'm just asking. >> so all my figure, the >> so all my large figure, the number question number of people that question to to the shores? >> would they come the uk or >> would they come to the uk or would say, let's now say would you say, let's now say let's a safe third country? >> no, i, i would say if there's a refugee from afghanistan who has a who wants to come to britain for a whole variety of different reasons , and then we different reasons, and then we have a responsibility for them to come here like as if they're coming from other war zones or places where they're being

persecuted. people in iran or so on and so forth. i think, of course, you know, the being a being a refugee is, is a it's a right. it's something that you that you have our country has over history a reasonably good record of bringing people, including my ancestors and many other peoples ancestors. and that should be the kind of country that we are. >> that's true. we have always welcome people who are in need. but looking at these numbers now and what we're to going do, do you see how if like james suggested that do the sort suggested that you do the sort of the paperwork, the form filling to see whether they had a to come and be looked a right to come and be looked after, do think they should after, do you think they should come the shores of the uk or come to the shores of the uk or do you think you'd say, not here, we've got a lot of people here. we've got make sure here. we've got to make sure that look after the that we can look after the people let's go to people already here. let's go to a country. i think it a safe third country. i think it depends if you're going to use that safe third country as a processing or you are processing centre or you are just people there with just removing people there with no rights to claim asylum . no rights to claim asylum. >> i think these two things are

really, different. really, really quite different. i sort of see james's point, but i sort of see james's point, but i would not have processed centres in france. i would do that further afield. why not use embassies across the world? why not use unhcr refugee camps ? not use unhcr refugee camps? >> not everybody wants james. >> not everybody wants james. >> no, i, i do agree with that. >> no, i, i do agree with that. >> practicality was if they're there, if they're in france , why there, if they're in france, why would you then take thousands of miles elsewhere? it could make sense that. but if we get sense to do that. but if we get back numbers people back to the numbers of people that seem to be getting on a boat from france , some of the boat from france, some of the pictures we've seen, you've seen holidaymaker , others on the holidaymaker, others on the beach , and yet they're getting beach, and yet they're getting in a boat and travelling to the shores of the uk. we've paid half £1 billion there thereabouts to stop this from happening . happening. >> yes, we have. and the french aren't doing enough. and i think thatis aren't doing enough. and i think that is really quite clear . so that is really quite clear. so the prime minister needs to go back president macron the prime minister needs to go bacisay, president macron the prime minister needs to go bacisay, you president macron the prime minister needs to go bacisay, you know,ent macron the prime minister needs to go bacisay, you know, we've cron the prime minister needs to go bacisay, you know, we've given the prime minister needs to go baciall', you know, we've given the prime minister needs to go baciall thisj know, we've given the prime minister needs to go baciall this cash w, we've given the prime minister needs to go baciall this cash and e've given the prime minister needs to go baciall this cash and e've a iven you all this cash and it's a deal number of deal that's over a number of years. not doing years. you're not doing your side deal. so i think side of the deal. so i think that does have to be some real

pushback the french that does have to be some real pu t0)ack the french that does have to be some real pu t0)ack they're the french that does have to be some real pu t0)ack they're doing|e french that does have to be some real pu t0)ack they're doing . french that does have to be some real pu t0)ack they're doing . butnch as to what they're doing. but you to work with the as to what they're doing. but you eu to work with the as to what they're doing. but you eu membernork with the as to what they're doing. but you eu member statesith the as to what they're doing. but you eu member states and 1e as to what they're doing. but you eu member states and try other eu member states and try and get arrangements set up for returns countries, returns within those countries, not just with eu, but maybe not just with the eu, but maybe as individual. >> you think are going >> do you think they are going to negotiation and to do this negotiation and within the eu ? i mean, is it as within the eu? i mean, is it as we started off saying a brexit revenge, is it that the sulking and, you know, maybe they are, but they need to snap out of it because there's a lot going wrong. as i said, criminal gangs , people in the channel , people dying in in the channel there. so how do you force that onto next level? onto the next level? >> well, i think you need to go to countries, as to individual countries, as i say, as central bloc say, the eu as a central bloc isn't going to be particularly pleased with coming to the united kingdom and looking to negotiate with us. we are going to be down that list of people they talk to how about they want to talk to how about we and do deal with some we try and do a deal with some individual states themselves? you might get a little bit further, but that's further, but really that's something government something for the government and the when it the house of commons. when it returns. further , are returns. to discuss further, are we going have those we going to have those negotiations any soon? negotiations any time soon?

>> i don't think particularly meaningfully. and you know, as claire says, we are low down on the list of priorities. the eu's list of priorities. they have a similar issue where we have people dying in in the channel they have a huge number of people in the mediterranean . of people in the mediterranean. is a graveyard . huge numbers of is a graveyard. huge numbers of people dying. they have pushbacks and so we are really low down in the in the priority list. we should try to make that. we should try to push that up. we should have a concerted effort. >> is it is it the government's responsibility to push that negotiation pecking negotiation of the pecking order or it brexit revenge ? is that or is it brexit revenge? is that what the eu is doing there? give us your views on that. now the descendants of one of britain's most famous prime ministers will travel to guyana to apologise and pay reparations for their historic links to slavery . historic links to slavery. gladstone was prime minister four times during the 19th century and was the son of john gladstone, one of the largest slave owners in the british west

indies . william gladstone's indies. william gladstone's education and career were funded by enslaved africans working on his father's sugar plantation in the caribbean . in the great, the caribbean. in the great, great, great grandson of john charlie , gladstone, said he felt charlie, gladstone, said he felt absolute sick when he found out about his family's slave owning past. let's get the thoughts, as always, of my panel. claire i have a real problem when it comes to paying of reparations . comes to paying of reparations. >> i think that everybody can see slavery was abhorrent. everybody is apologising for it. and rightly so. it shouldn't have happened. but i think to start paying out money when you are looking this far down the line, if you look at gladstone's case, it's the demerara rebellion of 1823. now, that is some time ago. i think that we need to we need to sort of have a little bit of a cut off point. now, obviously, if a private family to make payments, now, obviously, if a private fami|that to make payments, now, obviously, if a private fami|that is to make payments, now, obviously, if a private fami|that is their1ake payments, now, obviously, if a private fami|that is their businessnents, now, obviously, if a private fami|that is their business and s, then that is their business and they are free to do so. but i don't like this whole discussion

that we must pay money to make these things better because i don't think it's going to we need to acknowledge what has happened and not let history repeated itself and surely that's got to be more important . but as should they wish . but as i say, should they wish to make this funding available, you know, fair play to them? >> it's entirely down to them. if a private family wants to make an apology, does it mean anything? this apology ? anything? this apology? >> i think it means a bit. >> i think it means a bit. >> i think a bit, yeah. >> i think a bit, yeah. >> i think it does mean i think it means it's not a lot. >> so that's why i'm wondering, what you think it means? >> so that's why i'm wondering, thwell,/ou think it means? >> so that's why i'm wondering, thwell, lyu think it means? >> so that's why i'm wondering, thwell, i think|k it means? >> so that's why i'm wondering, thwell, i think fort means? >> so that's why i'm wondering, thwell, i think for britain,? >> so that's why i'm wondering, thwell, i think for britain, a >> well, i think for britain, a country that has really not wrestled with or engaged with our history are extremely brutal and colonial history. it's a good thing to have , i think, for good thing to have, i think, for our national conversation . the our national conversation. the relatives of one of our most famous prime ministers, the second most important, probably prime minister of the 19th century, and we're now having this conversation. so i think in that sense, that's good. i think

i think in the caribbean, word there just a second then and then you can carry on with that. >> when said it was brutal >> when you said it was brutal or past, but were brutal to or past, but we were brutal to ourselves. it wasn't just other people from, you know, we had , people from, you know, we had, you know, children up chimneys . you know, children up chimneys. you had people in poor houses. it was a brutal era of time. british. so what are we going to apologise to everybody in this country too, or do we have to look at periods in history as they were learn from them? absolutely. i'm not saying that, but to look from the place we are now backwards and say that was wrong. there it just doesn't seem right. >> i think you've made a good point. >> the british ruling class have committed a huge litany of crime at the time right around the world. a huge yet the ruling class is generally not good things against british people here. the majority of people in britain were victims of the ruling class and much more so were people that were enslaved ,

were people that were enslaved, believed genocide. and so forth in the caribbean. so that doesn't reverse that history. but i think we should keep that in mind. we're not saying that the descendants of mill workers who were who the capital to set them up came from the sugar plantations that were run by slaves, that they're the people that are apologising here. we've got someone who was the owner who was the ruling class figure, and i think some kind of historical reckoning also from the perspective caribbean the perspective of the caribbean , of the english speaking caribbean, kind this is caribbean, this kind this is a live historical debate that they want have engaged with. and want to have engaged with. and i think that think it's quite important that that think it's quite important that tha is this an evolution process >> is this an evolution process that we've gone on? so, yes, it was a brutal period. it was a former , you know, the industrial former, you know, the industrial revolution. i don't know, coming from poverty for sort of the middle classes, you know, coming out of formation of the middle classes. so was this a painful, brutal journey that we all had

to go on? and now we're in a very different place, look back and learn , but apologise really i >>i -- >> i don't emma >> i don't think an apology hurts, but you , you you have to hurts, but you, you you have to sort of look at it. and i want her to be able to put that to bed . i think that we all need to bed. i think that we all need to realise and i think everybody does , that the slavery question does, that the slavery question , it was wrong. it was absolutely wrong. but it is a part of our history. absolutely wrong. but it is a part of our history . we part of our history. we shouldn't remove it from our history. i think we need to learn about it. and i don't like the subjects being cancelled in schools, for example , that teach schools, for example, that teach people about because i do people about it because i do think it's very, very important and yes, you should never wipe out your history. >> is it really an apology people or it the money people want or is it the money and as they say, a sort of a company that goes it is an company that goes with it is an apology secondary to the money? >> in some respects, it could be. i wouldn't like to put the words into the mouths of these these individuals whose ancestors are to going have suffered really, really terribly. but i think perhaps that, yes, money, country values

are always placed upon these things. but i do think words are important you. things. but i do think words are imfand nt you. things. but i do think words are imfand we're'ou. things. but i do think words are imfand we're all looking, >> and we're all looking, i guess, so do you guess, to move on. so do you think the apology and, you know, this support financial helps people move on or do you think that will keep us locked and unable to move forward ? unable to move forward? >> you know, i think for us, it helps us talk about it, and that's good. but i think for people english speaking people in the english speaking caribbean, where generally speaking, they are hugely in favour of apologies , of some favour of apologies, of some symbolic recognition when we're talking about the family giving some reparations , it's some reparations, it's a symbolic i mean, with financial element, but it's a symbolic recognition of the fact that their wealth is based off the backs people in the caribbean backs of people in the caribbean and i think quite rightly, if we were those people, we would want some recognition of that. our work made these other people rich . rich. >> thanks, james. thanks, claire. watching on news claire. you're watching on news on your tv and on digital radio. still to come now, is it the time for rishi sunak to embrace

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radio. i'm esther mcvey , filling radio. i'm esther mcvey, filling in for nana akua for and the next two hours, you've got me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics, hitting the headlines right now. now, the headlines right now. now, the show is all about opinion. mine, theirs and yours will be debating discussing a most seriously disagreeing on some of the subjects, i'm sure of it. joining me today is broadcaster and author christine hamilton and author christine hamilton and broadcaster and journalist danny kelley. but before we get started , let's go to the latest started, let's go to the latest news headlines with tatiana . news headlines with tatiana. esther thank you very much and good afternoon. >> this is the latest from the gb newsroom . england have missed gb newsroom. england have missed out on world cup glory, losing the final to spain . one nil the the final to spain. one nil the lionesses came agonisingly close to becoming the first england senior side to win the trophy since the men's team in 1966. the king praised their skill,

determination and team spirit and the prime minister said while it wasn't to be, they've already secured their legacy as game changers. earlier, we already secured their legacy as game changers . earlier, we spoke game changers. earlier, we spoke to some disappointed fans in bristol. i still think we're better than the man , basically, better than the man, basically, and they've made us made the nafion and they've made us made the nation proud. >> yeah . and they give you could >> yeah. and they give you could see it right up until the last minute. give everything minute. they give everything they england they got. so well done, england . i'm feeling a little bit sad because they lost what they did do really good and tried really well to go into the final put. >> they deserved more. they could have given more. but at the end of the day, with some way to the final and what's to do in it is the story of the british life. win or lose , get british life. win or lose, get on the booze. we're going to go get on the booze . get on the booze. >> well, they weren't the only ones watching the game. england supporters gathered at fan zones right across the country at box park, wembley, a huge crowd was cheering the team on, watching

the game on the big screens. despite the last geniality, a member of the original lionesses team of 1972 still has hopes for the future . the future. >> i think that whole whole of england is very emotional at the moment. it could have come home and spain was just that little bit better. if i have to be honest , we should have bit better. if i have to be honest, we should have just done the take the chances. what we had it wasn't to be. it will come home eventually . come home eventually. >> in other news, the british medical association's calling for hospital managers to be regulated in a similar way to medical staff . the call comes regulated in a similar way to medical staff. the call comes in the wake of the lucy b's conviction . the bma says it's conviction. the bma says it's deeply worrying that consultants who repeatedly raised concerns about the former nurse weren't listened to . letby, who was listened to. letby, who was found guilty of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of six others, has indicated she won't attend her sentencing tomorrow. former justice secretary robert buckland says she should be forced to listen .

forced to listen. >> my suggestion have been to make sure that there was a live link beamed into the cell, either sound or sound and pictures to ensure that letby had nowhere to hide and that she, in effect , has to listen to she, in effect, has to listen to what the judge is saying about the case and most importantly, the case and most importantly, the victim. personal statements , those impact statements that will really bring home, i think , to the wider world. the appalling, devastating impact of the loss of these innocent children, these innocent babies have had upon dozens of families i >> -- >> and you brit school is set to openin >> and you brit school is set to open in bradford in west yorkshire. the government has confirmed it'll be based on the award winning performing arts brit school in south london. it helped launch the careers of some of britain's best known artists and actors, including adele , amy winehouse and tom adele, amy winehouse and tom holland. school minister nick gibb says it's an exciting project . project. >> we wanted young people to have the same opportunities in the north of england as they have in the brit school in south

london without having to travel all this is all the way south. so this is a school for 516 to 19 year olds specialising in drama dance . the specialising in drama dance. the technical side of and singing and the technical side of theatre production as well. so it's very exciting project. it should be open in 3 or 4 years time . time. >> russia's luna 25 spacecraft has crashed on the moon. a rocket carrying the craft launched on the 11th of august. the country in a space race against india, whose chandra and three is due to land on the satellite south pole this week. this was moscow's first mission to the moon in 47 years. the failed attempt is a blow to the country , which is hoping to country, which is hoping to return with the first samples of frozen . water to this is gb news frozen. water to this is gb news across the uk on tv , in your across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now it's back to esther .

esther. >> thanks, tatiana. now the papers are filled with speculation about a imminent government reshuffle , the last government reshuffle, the last one before the general election , which is expected to be just over a year away. in order to enable rishi to deliver his vision for the country . vision for the country. mutterings and briefings to the media abound of who will stay , media abound of who will stay, who will go and who can't be removed as well as how to keep the left and the right. the red wall, the blue wall and the back benches on board. but if this reshuffle is to be a transformative one, if it is to mean anything at all and not just to be about rearranging the deckchairs on the titanic , then deckchairs on the titanic, then it's deckchairs on the titanic, then wsfime deckchairs on the titanic, then it's time for to rishi unleash his inner thatcher and for the real rishi sunak to stand up to find his no, no, no moment at his. not for turning moment to dig in and get things done and to set out a clarity of his vision, his eloquence of what

that narrative is, his wisdom of what battles to fight, and then put his energy into winning them. my guy's 1979 manifesto was to restore the health of our economic and social life by controlling inflation and striking a fair balance between the rights and duties of the trade union movement to restore incentives to hard work , to incentives to hard work, to support family life , raising support family life, raising standards of education, concentrating the welfare system on supporting the old, the sick and the disabled and those in real need. this could well be rishi's manifesto for the next general election. two we cannot keep living in a fantasy that the state will pay for and provide an answer for absolute everything, no matter what any snake oil merchant tries to tell you, you can't spend your way out of debt. pay people to sit at home without consequences . at home without consequences. hit arbitrary net zero targets without huge costs and have a

ludicrous and unnecessary vanity projects like hs2 and think you can just tax people more for years. politicians have listened to the chorus of the left that the uk is the sixth richest nafion the uk is the sixth richest nation in the world. of course, in a can afford to spend more money and under a succession of governments it's spent more money on benefits overseas aid and open door migration policy. you name it. the left always wants more and more taxpayers money frittered away. so i was amazed to see the left wing economist and observer columnist will hutton this week voicing concerns that britain was living beyond its means , had its back beyond its means, had its back against the wall and should stop kidding itself, that it was a rich nation. the uk has sold off the country's assets , gold the country's assets, gold reserves and pension pots to fund this overspending and now there was nothing left to sell. the country is bust . the country is bust. predictably, his left wing followers didn't agree and gave them a good booting on twitter .

them a good booting on twitter. but i'm afraid to say that spending never ending sums of money, hasn't just been restricted to the labour party dufing restricted to the labour party during lockdown, the conservative government ruled like socialists , too, guided by like socialists, too, guided by professor neil ferguson and his band of left wing scientists. the reality is the actions taken dunng the reality is the actions taken during lockdown have left the country with a mountain of debt with ruinous levels of debt, interest millions on benefits or opting out of work. interest millions on benefits or opting out of work . combined opting out of work. combined with politically motivated industrial action and strike action. the moral of the story is if you run a country like a socialist , you will is if you run a country like a socialist, you will pay is if you run a country like a socialist , you will pay the socialist, you will pay the consequences of socialism. as lady thatcher said, the problem with socialism is you'll always run out of other people's money and we are living proof of that . the country needs to rishi show more of that. thatcher steel to give the country some home truths about what the country can't afford and the hard work needed to get this country back on track about

discipline and fair play. oh yes . and about what a woman is. mrs. t would also have known that rishi can certainly take some comfort from the economic news this week. inflation fell again down to 6.8% from 7.9, and growth forecasts were up for the last two quarters. unlike germany, which has sunk into recession, rishi needs to go for growth. he needs to relax the net zero targets. and by doing so, lower energy costs for companies and households. he needs to deregulate , making needs to deregulate, making britain a place where companies are free to innovate and try out new technologies. a haven from stifling eu regulation . which is stifling eu regulation. which is why so many of us voted for brexit, he needs to provide a escape from the doom loop of rising debt , escape from the doom loop of rising debt, leading to rising taxes, lower growth and rising debt. again, only a true thatcherite conservative response will get the country out of the mess it in and rishi needs to seize the moment. the impending reshuffle gives him a

chance to truly set out his stall, but only by finding his inner thatcher will he be able to deliver it . now before we get to deliver it. now before we get stuck into the debate , here's stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today. in the wake of england's losses at the wake of england's losses at the world cup final for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking have the lionesses replace the men in the heart of the nation? never mind the loss of lionesses should hold the head up high as they return from the final in sydney and at 450, it's world view . we'll cross to it's world view. we'll cross to los angeles with paul duddridge to get the latest on the mounting charges against donald trump. plus how concerned should we be as russia and china looks set to increase economic cooperation ? and at five, it's cooperation? and at five, it's this week's outside. i'll be chatting to actor, writer, voice artist and impressionist. he

started as a stand up comedian up north, you might say. he was the spitting image of some well—known political figures. that's coming up in the next houn that's coming up in the next hour. tell me what you think of everything we're discussing by emailing gb views at gb news or tweet me at . gb news. right. tweet me at. gb news. right. let's get started . welcome again let's get started. welcome again to my panel. joining me today, it's broadcaster and author christine hamilton and broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. christine and danny , what kelly. christine and danny, what did you think ? i can't believe did you think? i can't believe it . is it time did you think? i can't believe it. is it time for the real ricci to stand up? she'll start with you, christine. >> well , that was a great >> well, that was a great monologue. >> but there's one man flaw in your argument, rishi sunak is no thatcher. she was a warrior queen. she was an ideologue. she knew what she wanted to do. rishi is a sort of corporate gerbil, really. he sort of

middle management who's made good by keeping his nose to the grindstone. he hasn't got him . grindstone. he hasn't got him. got it in him, waiting for him to release his inner thatcher would be like waiting for godot. i mean, can you imagine him? for example , even thinking we could example, even thinking we could go to to war keep the falklands? never mind holding his nerve while it was going on? can you imagine his nerve imagine rishi holding his nerve when unemployed payment when an unemployed payment because she was cutting steak spending? unemployment was rising to 3 million. she knew where she was and i just where she was going and i just don't he does. he in don't think he does. he blows in the breeze. mean , i wish the breeze. i mean, i wish i wish i wish. i wish that suddenly we could flip a switch and there he would be. but the reason why the government isn't doing better, you know, we all know they're know the answers. they're not behaving conservatives . behaving like conservatives. they're behaving like they're not behaving like thatcherites . they are. they're thatcherites. they are. they're not taxes , etcetera, not cutting taxes, etcetera, etcetera. so i'm afraid i think there's a deep flaw in your otherwise very splendid argument i >> -- >> buti >> but i did say, will the real rishi sunak stand up to danny? are you going to be as as

christine ? or do you see there christine? or do you see there could be a steal in there? >> sort of thatcher's achievements, one of which was the falklands, of course, another one was working with reagan so closely to bring down the cold war and communism being the cold war and communism being the unions, taming the unions. now to be fair to rishi, soon, i think you're underestimating him. think argentine china him. i think if argentine china was the falklands, i was to invade the falklands, i don't he would just sit don't think he would just sit back and not send a force. back and not send a task force. of would. like of course we would. i would like to think i don't think he's craven. think that inside he craven. i think that inside he may look a bank manager , may look like a bank manager, but fairly sure that you but i'm fairly sure that you don't get to that position in life have something life unless you have something about you. and i think the opposite of what he is. i don't think he's craven . i know you think he's craven. i know you didn't cowardly word. didn't say cowardly the word. no, you didn't. but you suggested if . let me just suggested that if. let me just finish. you suggested that if the were to invade the argentinians were to invade the argentinians were to invade the falklands, he would do nothing it. nothing about it. >> haven't got the steel >> they haven't got the steel inside not same inside him. that's not the same as would be. as saying he would be. >> but do you think that he would a task force to would send a task force to defeat argentinians? would send a task force to defyi'm argentinians? would send a task force to defyi'm .confidentns? would send a task force to defyi'm .confident that he >> i'm not confident that he would, but i mean, you know, we're over head

we're arguing over a pin head about that happened about something that happened decadesknow, they used to be >> you know, they used to be tensions believed to be the tensions or believed to be the wythenshawe government when tensions or believed to be the wythewasawe government when tensions or believed to be the wythewas prime government when tensions or believed to be the wythewas prime ministerent when tensions or believed to be the wythewas prime minister because| boris was prime minister because he was the one who was meant to be much more fiscally conservative. he was the one talking about not going into lockdown. christine. >> well , lockdown. christine. >> well, don't lockdown. christine. >> well , don't forget, lockdown. christine. >> well, don't forget, rishi was chancellor when we had the second massive bout of quantitative quantitative easing dunng quantitative quantitative easing during covid. he was the one who spent all the money on eat out to what was it, eat out to help out. that's right. >> eat out to eat out . >> eat out to eat out. >> eat out to eat out. >> eat out to eat out. >> eat out to eat. whatever it was . i >> eat out to eat. whatever it was. i mean, he was spending money like water and we are now paying money like water and we are now paying the price. now, some people would say he had to do it at time, others were at the time, but others were saying is crazy. we don't saying this is crazy. we don't need down to this extent need to lock down to this extent , doing . you , do what sweden are doing. you know, give people a little bit more a bit freedom. so i more a bit more freedom. so i think to a certain extent, i mean, the bank of england is the architect of all this inflation. >> they've they thought we were only going into lockdown for six weeks. and he might, in his

defence, say that's why it was so generous. why i so generous. that's why i did eat help out because eat out to help out because i thought was going to be for thought it was going to be for six weeks. but but if he is danny to be this steely person, if he were this cabinet reshuffle, how important is that and who should he put in there? who should he sort of keep in there? because there are questions of who should be there, shouldn't, can't there, who shouldn't, who can't he lose? who must he lose? >> one thing i admire about rishi sunak and just going back >> one thing i admire about risan sunak and just going back >> one thing i admire about risan earlierand just going back >> one thing i admire about risan earlier point st going back >> one thing i admire about risan earlier point about|g back to an earlier point about thatcher ism, is that she said from the offset she wanted from the offset that she wanted to unions. i'm to tame the unions. i'm paraphrasing rishi sunak, to paraphrasing and rishi sunak, to be fair to him paraphrasing and rishi sunak, to be fairto him in paraphrasing and rishi sunak, to be fair to him in the cabinet, have heels and said we have dug their heels and said we are not going to give any are not going to give you any more coincidentally more money. now, coincidentally at time, inflation is now at the time, inflation is now dropping. don't use dropping. i don't want to use the plummeting, it's the word plummeting, but it's now from 7.8 to 6.8. so now dropping from 7.8 to 6.8. so that suggests that whatever we're doing at the moment compared to the and maybe compared to the eu and maybe we're being free we're benefiting from being free of the shackles of certain eu legislation . so, so inflation is legislation. so, so inflation is indeed coming down. he's got how many months left ? maximum, say

many months left? maximum, say 12, 14 months, 12 months. so it's not reshuffling the chairs on the titanic. but he really is. he's like a football manager. and i know we're to going be talking about the fabulous football later on, but it's like a football manager going into the final sort of ten minutes of extra time. and he's now utilising his substitutes benches. now utilising his substitutes benches . so he really needs to benches. so he really needs to pull some people off and he need to pull some people and he to pull some people in and he needs to be resolute now. i mean, list his mean, this is list of his ambitions of stopping the boats. i mean, that is not going to happen. >> it's impossible to think suella needs to stay christine in he needs in his cabinet. he needs a cabinet around him that can help him. definitely form wall him. definitely form a wall of steel . steel. >> he definitely needs suella, but then needs to start but then he needs to start delivering on some of his promises mentioned. promises you've just mentioned. he going the he said he was going to stop the boats. he would halve boats. he said he would halve inflation he inflation by christmas and he hasn't done any those things. hasn't done any of those things. he start he needs to start start delivering. but yes, mean, delivering. but yes, i mean, you're closer you you're much closer. you know these much better i these people much better than i do. if do. but certainly i think if suella goes , it would be a suella goes, it would be a complete disaster. of all,

complete disaster. first of all, i all the wrong signals i think all the wrong signals and she doesn't deserve to go. she deserves to and finish she deserves to stay and finish the she's trying to do. the job. she's trying to do. >> and industrial action >> and the industrial action disputes strikes. thinking back to how thatcher tamed them , she to how thatcher tamed them, she broke them. taming is broke them , tame them. is she going to do the same? well in a different way for the 2023? >> well , proof of the way for the 2023? >> well, proof of the pudding will be in the eating. >> i mean, i hope you're right. ihope >> i mean, i hope you're right. i hope he's got this in a steel. but, you know, if so, why hasn't he shown a bit of it? now he's leaving it, precious. he shown a bit of it? now he's lea'all| it, precious. he shown a bit of it? now he's lea'all right.ecious. >> all right. >> all right. >> that's what we want >> well, that's what we want to hear viewers well. hear from our viewers as well. has rishi in the steel has rishi got that in the steel 7 has rishi got that in the steel ? should he unleash his inner thatcher? should the real rishi sunak stand up? you're watching esther mcvey on gb news on tv and on digital radio. still to come. hold your heads up. high lionesses. despite the loss, plenty to be proud of in a magnificent world cup tournament. coming up, we'll be

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radio. >> hello. welcome back. time now is 424. you're with estimate. they on gb news on tv and on digital radio. so it's time for the great british debate today. i'm asking have the lionesses replace the men in the heart of the nation? it wasn't england's day to become the world champions as the lionesses suffered a 1—0 defeat to spain in the world cup final. but goalkeeper mary earps denied spain a second goal from a penalty. but her efforts weren't enough to bring football home, as england struggled to break through the spanish defence. even though our nearly six decade long national wait for a world cup win continues. it's a historic moment for the lionesses as they add a world cup final to their achievements alongside the european champions trophy. it's a level of success that the men haven't been able to match. so for the great

british debate, i am asking have the lionesses replaced the men in the heart of the nation? and i'm joined in the studio by political commentator and former conservative special adviser claire purcell and former adviser to jeremy corbyn, james schneider and sports broadcaster aidan magee. so that is the question. i'm going to come to you, claire. i'm going to come to you. claire. have the women replace the men in the nation in the heart of the nation. do you think so? >> i absolutely do. because they are extremely talented , but also are extremely talented, but also really accessible. really normal when they're on the media having conversations, you kind of think they're your next door neighbour. >> football, not just about the football. >> as i say , supremely talented. football. >> .cannot' , supremely talented. football. >> .cannot faultiremely talented. football. >> .cannot fault them.y talented. football. >> .cannot fault them on alented. football. >> .cannot fault them on thated. you cannot fault them on that respect. but they're just really nice, normal girls who are enthusiastic . they know their enthusiastic. they know their faults . they go out there with faults. they go out there with their hair shoved back. they don't have any makeup on. they don't have any makeup on. they don't care. and girls, especially young girls, see that and they go, i can do that. i can be out there . i can play as

can be out there. i can play as good boys, better than good as the boys, better than the boys. big shout out to the boys. and big shout out to my football team. new my local football team. new green, who have about 3 or 4 different girls teams in different girls teams in different age groups now. fantastic effort. >> i think the key thing for me claire's talking about well, about their personality, how down to earth they were, what great role models they've been. but going to to but i'm just going to keep to the can you the football. i can tell you we've licked boys aid i we've licked the boys aid now. i mean, boys been we've licked the boys aid now. i mean,for boys been we've licked the boys aid now. i mean,for years? boys been doing for years? >> boys have got >> well, the boys have got better, . this is better, actually. this is actually period time, actually not bad period of time, but. but no little. >> would have haven't >> it would have helped. haven't got better. >> worse since 1966. >> they've got worse since 1966. >> they've got worse since 1966. >> 66, possibly. but >> since 66, possibly. yeah. but that's whole look that's the whole point. you look how we going how many decades are we going back english football back there? the english football is of going back to is a body of work going back to the late 19th century. that's the late 19th century. that's the difference . and that's why the difference. and that's why people huge amounts of money people pay huge amounts of money to them, watch play . to watch them, watch them play. lots signs are lots of these signs are surviving as a subsidy of a subsidiary of premier league clubs. they have to stand on their own two feet. and sooner or look at the or later, if we look at the attendances week by week, we have to rely on people turning up passing with their money.

up and passing with their money. it can't the attendances are it can't be the attendances are kind artificially swelled at it can't be the attendances are kin(moment.:ially swelled at it can't be the attendances are kin(moment. that'snelled at it can't be the attendances are kin(moment. that's it'sed at it can't be the attendances are kin(moment. that's it's true. the moment. that's it's true. that's what's happening i >> -- >> this all seems very mealy mouthed after these have mouthed after these women have done so well. you're talking about the long term, but about what's the long term, but long term it has to. >> it's to improve, >> if it's going to improve, because countries around because other countries around the world are to get the world are going to get better. that better. when england won that world it was with world cup in 66, it was with eight have go eight teams. we now have to go up against even going up against 32. that's even going to further at the to extend even further at the next it's going next world cup. so it's going to get harder to get harder and harder and to sustain going to sustain that, we're going to need league system. need a stronger league system. and attendances and that means that attendances are better the are to going be better and the clubs to have be clubs are going to have to be even run. we've even better run. we've come a long way last five years, long way in the last five years, but we have to get stronger and stronger we're at stronger because we're still at an stage. stronger because we're still at an also, stage. stronger because we're still at an also, wouldge. stronger because we're still at an also, would say james, i'm >> also, i would say james, i'm hoping answer from hoping for a better answer from you the women have you about whether the women have replaced know the replaced the men in know the heart of nation. i think heart of the nation. i think we're actually in a golden era for english football for both the and the women. the men and the women. >> they're both in quite >> and they're both in quite rightly, in the nation's heart. >> and expensive, isn't it ? >> and expensive, isn't it? >> and expensive, isn't it? >> no, no. i mean , i think >> no, no. i mean, i think they're saying i think the thing that claire was saying about the

engush that claire was saying about the english women, when you see them in interviews and being fantastic, they're they are brilliant. >> they're great role models. brilliant. >> 'iiey're great role models. brilliant. >> 'i think great role models. brilliant. >> 'i think we're role models. brilliant. >> 'i think we're luckyrodels. brilliant. >> 'i think we're lucky that s. but i think we're lucky that this men as well are this group of men as well are also great role models like declan rice and jude bellingham and so on. they look like in the same way, very down to earth, very, very serious competitors. and the women's game is just and now the women's game is just up there with the men. so it's fantastic. >> w- e i'm on w— fantastic. >> i'm on this side >> i'm glad i'm on this side with you here, claire, because i'll one thing was i'll tell you one thing that was the mylesdobson i've the most mealy mylesdobson i've ever ever . i will the most mealy mylesdobson i've ever ever. i will put my ever heard ever. i will put my dad's of view across dad's point of view across somebody who's a season ticket holder he's holder for anfield. he's absolutely thought the women's team were fantasy . absolutely thought the women's team were fantasy. he's like putting them right up there, you know, with with the guys. and i was looking and aiden will probably know this the women's football association was only established in 1969. the women are was it a first official women's international game was 1972, 100 a year after the men's. they've come on leaps and bounds and they're taking over.

>> they are taking over and rightly and i think that in rightly so. and i think that in answer to aiden's point about you revenue to go up you need ticket revenue to go up , matches need be at a , those matches need to be at a time where it is accessible time where it is more accessible for go . for people to go. >> we're there. we're >> we're getting there. we're getting should more getting we should have more matches go to matches that we can go to because i think that women's football, technical skill on football, the technical skill on the pitch might have been a bit tired against who tired today against spain, who were excellent. >> skills that they >> but the skills that they have, it's just stunning to watch and say it's exciting , watch and say it's exciting, it's energised, the men's all seems. >> i promise you, little and dull it will get. >> the girls are exciting. they've got a passion. they want to win. they were going for it. they were. i've not seen that from the men for while. from the men for a while. >> james. everyone >> james. i think everyone should live. should go and watch live. i think that's the right thing. they're great games. it's a great day out for the family. the quality of the football is really also really, really good. but also the atmosphere is really is really nice. and think it's really nice. and i think it's exciting we've going to exciting that we've going to have two great competitions in england that we can follow and maybe , maybe, you know, equal maybe, maybe, you know, equal pay -

pay- >> i get what you're talking about on the gate. they might not to that. but not be able to get that. but when to pay for when it comes to equal pay for tournament , when it comes to equal pay for tournament, i think they would have had share the profit have had a share of the profit of the fifa for of 86.1 million. the fifa for the men's qatar was 346 the men's in qatar was 346 million. so those competitions , million. so those competitions, they could get equal pay for, but they can't. >> the international teams get paid already they have paid the same already they have done so that's the done since 2016. so that's the international games. but that's a red herring by a little bit of red herring by the because for the fa because the fees for international are not international football are not actually high. so you can actually that high. so you can look okay, look forward to say, okay, we're going girls the same. going to pay the girls the same. whereas a premier league club wouldn't do that. >> football on >> women have set football on fire. they absolute lutely fire. they are absolute lutely knocking the men out of the football pitch completely . we football pitch completely. we want to hear from you. your with esther mcvey on gb news on tv and digital radio and after the break, we'll continue this great british debate. i'm asking , have british debate. i'm asking, have the lionesses replaced the men in the heart of the nation? but first, here's the latest news headunes first, here's the latest news headlines with tatiana . as to

headlines with tatiana. as to thank you very much and good afternoon. >> this is the latest from the gb newsroom. well, england have missed out on world cup glory, losing the final to spain 1—0 the lionesses came agonisingly close to becoming the first england senior side to win the trophy since the men's team in 1966. the prince of wales has tweeted, saying they've done themselves and this nation proud and the prime minister, rishi sunak, said while it wasn't to be, they've already secured their legacy as game changers. the british medical association's calling for hospital managers to be regulated in a similar way to medical staff. the call comes in the wake of lucy letby conviction. the bma says its deeply worrying that consultants who repeatedly raised concerns about the former nurse won't listen . to a 50 year old man listen. to a 50 year old man will appear in court tomorrow following the major police data breach in northern ireland. he's been charged with possessing

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heartbreak for the lionesses as they suffered 1—0 defeat to spain in the world cup final . 57 spain in the world cup final. 57 years of hurt, maybe continuing. but it's a historic moment for the lionesses as they add a world cup final to their achievements alongside the european championship trophy. it's a level of success that the men haven't been able to match. so for the great british debate, i'm asking, have the lionesses replaced the men in the heart of the nation ? let's see what my the nation? let's see what my panel make of that. and i'm joined by broadcaster and author christine hamilton and broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. so i'll start with you, danny. what do you think? have they well, as an everton fan , they well, as an everton fan, i'm no expert on football quality or winning. >> you've just got beat 4—0 today actually by villa. i think they have, but it's only going to be short lived. it's not going to be permanent. and the reason it's not going to be permanent have permanent is that you have a superior of football, and superior form of football, and that's game . and i can that's the men's game. and i can see eyes being rolled in the

back of one's head to just go up there. >> but under control. >> but under control. >> but under control. >> but it's actually true. the men's game is far superior. it's quicker, it's more powerful , quicker, it's more powerful, it's more skilful, and it's more popular now. i think once you have those aspects of a football match, then unfortunately the women's game and i'm so pleased for them, they're a young girls all around country are all around the country who are going to who are going to look up these heroines quite up to these heroines quite rightly get inspired rightly and get inspired and get into i all that into football. i get all of that . but unfortunately, when they come back home, come and touch back home, there'll be there'll be some sort ceremony for them. but sort of ceremony for them. but then it will short lived then it will be very short lived and people will have forgotten about reason that about it. and the reason that they'll about it about it. and the reason that th because about it about it. and the reason that th because the about it about it. and the reason that th because the men's about it about it. and the reason that th because the men's premier is because the men's premier league in full flow. and league is, is in full flow. and by the way, i don't even follow england men's football. by the way, i don't even follow england men's football . so england men's football. so i need to say i'm not a massive fan internationalfootball fan of international football anyway, i think anyway, this is where i think the could take over . the women could take over. >> everybody to be on the >> everybody wants to be on the side of a winning team . winners side of a winning team. winners and women have proved and the women have proved themselves to be winners . i know themselves to be winners. i know what you're saying. they haven't quite got the people on the gate

yet, they got that yet, so they haven't got that following . but the more you following yet. but the more you see winning , the more see them winning, the more you see them winning, the more you see going out with the see them going out with the heart of a lion to win those games, they have, they've games, which they have, they've been energised , determined, been energised, determined, focussed and remember, they're on about seven grand a year. they are of the people as well, just like that. male football team in 1966. and i wonder if men are just disappearing too far in the distance or very clinical . look at my far in the distance or very clinical. look at my hair, look at me and look at the money i'm on. >> christine well, i think it's danny takes a very extreme view . in my opinion. it's a different game . of course it's different game. of course it's a different game. of course it's a different game. of course it's a different game. and i venture to suggest that the majority of football fans in this country are probably men and they're going to support their own. but i think i think you're being a bit churlish and i think you're denigrating the lionesses achievement, which has been astonishing . astonishing. >> not to it wasn't astonishing. >> i said it brilliant. >> i said it was brilliant. >> i said it was brilliant. >> six has an english team >> six has has an english team got to the world cup, but that's

you just said that it's different to the men's game so you 1966 isn't relevant. >> it's the last time any engush >> it's the last time any english team got to the world cup. know you said it's different. it's a different game. is a different of course it's can't compare it it's you can't compare it to a woman's sporting game is different. >> women's swimming is different to men's swimming. women's tennis is different to men's tennis. we are different. i mean, viva la difference , for mean, viva la difference, for goodness think they did goodness sake. i think they did brilliantly. i mean, it's tragic . i'm not a massive football fan. got really geared up last fan. i got really geared up last wednesday and i got slightly carried away and i am so heartbroken that you did you get carried away , kristie. carried away, kristie. >> well, she opens wine. >> well, she opens wine. >> i'm having to i'm having to calm down. i mean, i have to say, the minutes being got that first goal, i thought, oh, dear, this isn't going to happen. but i must they're what do they i must say, they're what do they call wonderful, mary, call they're wonderful, mary, queen of stops, the goalie, which i thought was wonderful. i mean, saving that penalty mean, her saving that penalty goal superb . but i think goal was superb. but i think just just, just. can i just. just just, just. can ijust. just. i mean, i agree with you

that they are not going to supplant the place of the men because they haven't got the momentum behind them that the men have behind them. but i think , you know, let's give them think, you know, let's give them massive credit where i did. >> can can i inspiration to girls all over the country. i think you'll miss unfairly misrepresenting what i said. >> they've >> i said they've done brilliantly yes. and brilliantly. yes. and i said they're inspirational to lots of young across. young girls all across. >> going to give you some >> i'm going to give you some ipsos mori here. what ipsos mori polls here. what people . and i it people thought. and i think it was after the game against australia, it said this is the result. the women team were rated more skilful than the men's. this is what they came out with nearly twice as many were likely to judge the lioness as having better footballing skill than the men . skill than the men. >> well, this is what the public says. >> i'll respond to that. the women's national team, when they were the world champions, this is going back 3 or 4 years ago. and you look this up. they and you can look this up. they played under 15, so not played dallas under 15, so not barcelona under 15 adolescent boys in dallas. and they got

hammered 5—2. so they have a contradiction with statistics rather than opinions . they got rather than opinions. they got hammered 5—2 by 14 year old american gets one game, but they're the american . they were they're the american. they were they're the american. they were the world champions. so ipsos is saying that the women are more skilful . so then 14 year old skilful. so then 14 year old american boys beat the women's national issue . national on the strength issue. >> will agree with >> we will agree with that. men's greater. men's strength is much greater. i when they were i get that. but when they were looking and looking at the skills and they're it and it said they're enjoying it and it said equally, 41% of the public thought were more talented thought there were more talented than team 41% compared than the men's team 41% compared to 23% who found that because they liked watching it. >> that's an opinion, though. >> that's an opinion, though. >> that's an opinion, though. >> that's the opinion i've just given statistics and i'm given you statistics and i'm saying strength. >> different game. >> it's a different game. >> it's a different game. >> a different game. it's >> it's a different game. it's of course it is. >> it's a different game. i just hate this business of denigrating women because denigrating women just because they're women. >> is. well, people do. >> no one is. well, people do. they women's tennis. they denigrate women's tennis. >> you're asking a >> question you're asking a deliberate question about whether women's football is going heart of the going to be the heart of the nafion going to be the heart of the nation compared to men's football. >> that's the premise of the

course. >> i agree. >> i agree. >> you're no. >> i agree. >> you're how >> you're saying no. but how about ? significant about this? a significant bargaining power now of the women's football player. will they get i'm not saying equal pay they get i'm not saying equal pay weekly, but i'm saying now for the big tournaments is that is that what's going to elevate them off that more money comes in through winning the tournaments? >> i think it's commercially driven. and so if big companies want to back women's football and why wouldn't they based on what what my co—panelists are saying today , then that will be saying today, then that will be pro rata. but it is commercially driven. >> yes, they need to get bigger, bigger, bigger figures behind the bigger. >> well, i'll say watch this space. >> if only they'd won, it would have. >> and i know even without winning, i think to get to the final danny, it hasn't >> so for danny, it hasn't replaced the men the heart of replaced the men in the heart of the christine, how's it the nation. christine, how's it for you? >> no, afraid don't think >> no, i'm afraid i don't think it i don't think it has. i sadly, i don't think it has. i sadly, i don't think it could it happen, though? it has. i sadly, i don't think it oi'iild it happen, though? it has. i sadly, i don't think it oi'iild iway. ipen, though? it has. i sadly, i don't think it oi'iild iway. are , though? it has. i sadly, i don't think it oi'iild iway. are we ough? it has. i sadly, i don't think it oi'iild iway. are we on|h? >> it's on its way. are we on the journey? >> don't that fact that >> i don't want that fact that it to danny. take it hasn't to danny. take anything there. if men anything away from there. if men stop tomorrow, stop playing football tomorrow,

it would. >> would be at the of >> it would be at the heart of the nation. >> i've got your say. >> okay, i've got your say. >> okay, i've got your say. >> what do you think the show is? nothing without you and your views. so let's welcome one of our great british voices. this is your opportunity to be on the show and tell us what you really think about the topics we're discussing this hour. think about the topics we're discussing this hour . we are discussing this hour. we are heading to kidderminster to speak with regular gb voice, john reid. hello .john john reid. hello. john >> yeah, good afternoon. and you're delighted to be on. thank you're delighted to be on. thank you very much. now i'm not a football fanatic by any stretch of the imagination , but of the imagination, but listening to your programme over the last ten minutes, danny , you the last ten minutes, danny, you sound to me like some old chauvinist who do anything to protect footballers. but i'm protect men footballers. but i'm absolutely with the two ladies on the on the panel. esther and oh, god, forgotten the other name . name. >> christine . >> christine. >> christine. >> christine, i'm sorry. i've spoken to you many times, so i apologise. don't worry. i'll forgive you. i have . they forgive you. i have. they replaced the men in the heart of the nation. well, i doubt it.

because i just, to some extent agree with daniel. although i think he's chauvinistic. i do agree with a little bit of it. but they're doing well, but they're doing very well, aren't you can't aren't they? and you can't really the games. i really compare the games. i don't , because i'm some of don't think, because i'm some of the 75 years of age who's never really into football really been into football until today. really been into football until today . and i've watched the today. and i've watched the whole of the games thoroughly enjoyed it. there's going to enjoyed it. so there's going to be lots of people like me. so esther, i'm with you. thank you very much. >> i think we're heading that way. think you've just way. and i think you've just said there. it was the said something there. it was the first you watched it. not first time you watched it. not a big fan. i think we big football fan. i think we want back . winners. and want her back. winners. and these women have proved to be winners. some thing that the men sadly haven't done for many, many years . many years. >> i can remember them winning in 1966 with geoff hurst and crew. remember it? that was probably the last match i watched . i do take my young watched. i do take my young grandson who lives with me to the minster harriers to watch them, which is a rather different level , but i take them, which is a rather different level, but i take him because he loves football and he knows about than i do. and

knows more about than i do. and he's only ten. oh, it's a bit like it, isn't it, john well, thanks very much indeed for joining us. >> well, like i said, i've been asking, have the lions, lionesses replace the men in the heart of the nation? a lot of you have getting touch you have been getting in touch with views. jill says the with your views. jill says the girls well and we must girls did well and we must congratulate them on winning the silver medal. we must remember the women who work so hard over the women who work so hard over the last 60 years to help the present team be where they are. and harold says it was so refreshing to see the english girls get up and carry on if they fell or were pushed over. i'm sorry to have to admit, they fell or were pushed over. i'm sorry to have to admit , they i'm sorry to have to admit, they showed the chaps up here, here. and lynn says the biggest problem with women's football is the constant comparison to the men's game. they are two different games and cannot be compared. so there's also a poll up on twitter or x today throughout the show asking have the lionesses replaced the men

in the heart of the nation? currently, 73% are saying no. that they're with you, danny and john. but there was definitely here he is from both danny and christine when they said, look, the games are different, stop, keep the keep comparing them. the games are different. with are different. so you're with estimate news on your estimate they on gb news on your tv and on digital radio. so coming up, it's the week's world view as we get the latest on what's going on in the united states and russia. historic fourth indictment for donald trump and a cosy economic relations between russia and china . now it's the weather , the china. now it's the weather, the temperatures rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello , i am dan stroud and >> hello, i am dan stroud and this is your latest gb news forecast from the met office . so forecast from the met office. so we currently have high pressure to the south of the country and further to the north we have this big area of low pressure and that is helping to keep it

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gb news. >> welcome back. time now for 53. you're with estimate standing in for nana akua on gb news on tv and on digital radio. and it's time for world view now and russia's war in ukraine rages on. joining me now is russian journalist alexei villa. so alexei, we're looking at the alliance forging between russia and china , the trade that is and china, the trade that is increasing and also maybe some of the arms that are coming from china to support russia. can you tell me more ? tell me more? >> sure . >> sure. >> sure. >> well, it doesn't come as a surprise that a lot of actors are profiteering from this military conflict in ukraine. and be it american military industrial complex that are getting more and more demands from the american army or some other parties like china, who are taking advantage of both sides because while china is exporting, some of the russian goods like russian oil and russian gas to europe because

while russia is sanctioned and they can do directly. china has also been supplying russia with some bogus goods, such as drones, that can be perfectly used both in military action and in some civilian use , but some in some civilian use, but some raw materials. there's metal that can be used in russian military industry , but also military industry, but also details for planes and for those planes, again, can be civilian planes, again, can be civilian planes and military planes. those are exactly the same planes that my family and i take to travel around russia and well, to other countries like turkey , where it's still turkey, where it's still allowed. but they can also be used for military action in ukraine. but. well, let me tell you this. i might get in trouble, but my sources at the presidential administration essentially do not specify which presidential administration. but it doesn't come as a surprise that china is helping russia because both since the beginning of this conflict, china said that, well, we would prefer to stay neutral, unlike western countries , they have not branded countries, they have not branded russian military action in

ukraine as an invasion. so it doesn't come as a surprise that china russia. you china is helping russia. you know as know what does come as a surprise european surprise that some european companies , german companies in companies, german companies in particular, have been supplying double used goods to russia, specifically night vision equipment that can and are actually perfectly used on the battlefields in ukraine. and as long as they pay with cash , long as they pay with cash, probably poses no problem to those european companies. so, well, china is helping russia, but china, at least they're not hypocrites , i guess, for the hypocrites, i guess, for the europeans . europeans. >> alexi, thank you for your insight on. thank you. speak to you again soon. travelling over to america now. and we're going to america now. and we're going to speak to the host of the politics people's podcast , paul politics people's podcast, paul duddndge. politics people's podcast, paul duddridge . hello, paul. so trump duddridge. hello, paul. so trump indicted in georgia . fourth indictment. >> it's anybody that suspects that the judiciary has been weaponized against donald trump

. they can just forget it. this is a totally legitimate, totally legitimate indictment. the scary thing about this one is even if he wins the presidential election in 2024, because this is not a federal indictment, this is the state of georgia indicting him for the for his trying to in their words, overturn the results of the 2020 election. even if he wins the election. even if he wins the election in 2024, he can't pardon himself. and the pardoning process in georgia means he'd have to actually serve five years before he was even eligible for a pardon. so we could be looking at a situation where a sitting president actually has to serve time in a georgia prison because even the state governor because of georgia's constitution, couldn't couldn't withdraw or pardon donald trump . it's quite pardon donald trump. it's quite an extraordinary situation . and an extraordinary situation. and it really is every day it's the witch hunt is getting bigger and bigger. so is there not a law that doesn't say that a

president can't also be in prison? >> surely a sitting president couldn't be in prison somewhere 7 couldn't be in prison somewhere ? is it not a law in america to stop that ? stop that? >> only in federal law? you could make an argument that he could make an argument that he could pardon himself. this isn't a federal case. this fourth indictment isn't federal. it's purely just georgia. so it's you know, it's like the eu. it's like a you know, it's like being done for something in italy or something. it's the federal law almost doesn't apply. so it would have to be argued right at to the supreme court. but there isn't a mechanism. and like a lot of people are saying, isn't it convenient that georgia has such laws that could such pernickety laws that could actually imprison a sitting president? technically, that this is where this case has ansen? this is where this case has arisen? member of al gore's legal team have come forward and said we did exactly the same stuff in 2000 when we were challenging the result of the 2000 election against george w bush. we did exactly the same thing . and al gore certainly thing. and al gore certainly never faced any kind of form of

prosecution florida . so it is prosecution in florida. so it is extraordinarily bending your point is absolutely well made. there should be that mechanism. but it's interesting that georgia particularly is not as flexible . so isn't it flexible. so isn't it interesting that that's where this case he keeps he's still so way ahead in the polls over 50% is trump. >> but the guy who was right behind him, desantis , i say behind him, desantis, i say right behind him. i mean, second, because he was only on about 14. so he was way behind him. he's fallen in the polls. what's happening there? how's he managed to fall in in the polls when you're getting, you know, the candidate being the other candidate being indicted . indicted. >> i don't want to. trump's great at giving people nicknames, but he should have always gone with ron disaster because it is not. he's desanctimonious. it's gone terribly for desantis because he is now in third position. most polls are showing he's now fallen behind chris christie . fallen behind chris christie. and you are absolutely right . and you are absolutely right. trump's on like 53, 54, comfortably . these other people

comfortably. these other people are jostling for position at 9. they're all excited. it's like he's he's in second place, though. yeah. on like 12. so every time they throw something at donald trump, he gets more popular with his base. it's same i >> -- >> so quick question. if you can give a quick answer is not losing any popularity through the court cases, but it must be draining his money away. >> trump's paying tens of millions , as is giuliani . could millions, as is giuliani. could this be what knocks trump off course? just a quick answer him running out of money, not the support from the public. >> it won't be running out of money. no, it wouldn't . it money. no, it wouldn't. it would. it's the tying him up if the legal case is actually take place in january like they'd like. it's the barring him from actually participating in campaign rallies. that's the strategy . there's going to be strategy. there's going to be plenty of money for trump. we strategy. there's going to be ple support|oney for trump. we strategy. there's going to be ple support him. for trump. we strategy. there's going to be ple support him. buttrump. we strategy. there's going to be ple support him. but theyp. we strategy. there's going to be ple support him. but they wills all support him. but they will stop him physically . he all support him. but they will stop him physically. he has to be in washington every day for five weeks from january 2nd. if they are successful in holding

him that's all the caucus him there, that's all the caucus is taken care he won't be is taken care of. he won't be able campaign . able to physically campaign. that's the strategy holder george, thank you very much indeed for joining george, thank you very much indeed forjoining us today. indeed for joining us today. >> you're watching esther mcvey indeed for joining us today. >> gb j're watching esther mcvey indeed for joining us today. >> gb j're wa more] esther mcvey indeed for joining us today. >> gb j're wa more to sther mcvey indeed for joining us today. >> gb j're wa more to come vicvey indeed for joining us today. >> gb j're wa more to come invey indeed for joining us today. >> gb j're wa more to come in the on gb news. more to come in the next hour . next hour. you're with esther mcvey on gb news on tv and on digital radio. for the next hour. me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics, hitting the headunes the big topics, hitting the headlines right now. coming up, our outside guest, a british actor, writer, voice artist and impressionist known for his exceptional impersonations . stay exceptional impersonations. stay tuned to find out who that is. but first, let's get the latest news headlines with tatiana .

news headlines with tatiana. >> esther, thank you very much and good afternoon. it's 5:01. this is the latest england have missed out on world cup glory, losing the final to spain 1—0 the lionesses came agonisingly close to becoming the first england senior side to win the trophy since the men's team in 1966. the king praised their skill, determination and team spirit and the prime minister said while it wasn't meant to be, they've already secured their legacy as game changers. earlier, we spoke to some disappointed fans in bristol. >> i still think we're better than the man , basically. than the man, basically. >> and they've made us they've made the nation proud . yeah. and made the nation proud. yeah. and they give you could see it right up last minute. they up until the last minute. they give they so well give everything they got so well done, england. i'm feeling a little bit sad because they lost , but they did do really good and tried really well to go into the final put. >> they deserved more. they could have given more, but at

the end of the day , with so many the end of the day, with so many to the final and what's to do in it is the story of the british life . win or lose, get on the life. win or lose, get on the booze. life. win or lose, get on the booze . we're going to go get on booze. we're going to go get on the booze . the booze. >> they weren't the only fans watching. england supporters gathered at fan zones across the country at box park in wembley , country at box park in wembley, a huge crowd was cheering the team on, watching the game on big screens . despite the loss big screens. despite the loss geniality , a member of the geniality, a member of the original lionesses team of 1972 still has hopes for the future. >> i think that whole the whole of england is very emotional at the moment. it could have come home. spain was just that little bit better if i have to be honest, we should have just done the take the chances. what we had. it wasn't to be. it will come home eventually . come home eventually. >> in other news, the british medical association is calling for hospital managers to be regulated in a similar way to medical staff . the call comes regulated in a similar way to medical staff. the call comes in the wake of lucy letby conviction. the bma says it's

deeply worrying that consultants who repeatedly raised concerns about the former nurse weren't listened to. letby who was found guilty of the murder of seven babies and the attempt murder of six others, has indicated she won't attend her sentence tomorrow. former justice secretary robert buckland says she should be forced to listen . she should be forced to listen. >> my suggestion had been to make sure that there was a live link beamed into the cell, either sound or sound and pictures to ensure that letby had nowhere to hide and that she, in effect , has to listen to she, in effect, has to listen to what the judge is saying about the case and most importantly, the case and most importantly, the victim. personal statements. those impact statements that will really bring home, i think, to the wider world the appalling , devastating impact of the loss of these innocent children, these innocent babies have had upon dozens of families . upon dozens of families. >> a new brit school set to open in bradford in west yorkshire . in bradford in west yorkshire. the government's confirmed it will be based on the award

winning performing arts brit school in south london. it helped launch the careers of some of britain's best known artists and actors, including adele, amy winehouse and tom holland . schools minister nick holland. schools minister nick gibb says it's an exciting project . project. >> we wanted young people to have the same opportunities in the north of england as they have in the brit school in south london without having to travel all this is a all the way south. so this is a school for 516 to 19 year olds specialising in drama dance . the specialising in drama dance. the technical side of and singing and the technical side of theatre production as well. so it's very exciting project . it it's very exciting project. it should be open in 3 or 4 years time . time. >> and russia's luna 25 spacecraft has crashed on the moon. a rocket carrying the craft launched on the 11th of august. the country in a space race against india, whose chandrayaan three is due to land on the satellite south pole this week. this was moscow's first mission to the moon in 47 years. the failed attempt is a blow to the country , which was hoping to the country, which was hoping to return with the first samples of

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actor, writer, voice artist and impressionist known for his exceptional talent in impersonating various personal cities and characters. he is a spitting image star for the great british debate. this hour, i'm asking are sadiq khan's ulez plans unravelling with reports today that sadiq khan has tried today that sadiq khan has tried to silence scientists who questioned the ulez scheme ? questioned the ulez scheme? sadiq plans are unravelling fast. we'll be having ulez debate shortly. and as always , debate shortly. and as always, we want to hear from you . email we want to hear from you. email us at gb views at gb news or tweet us at gb news. but now . tweet us at gb news. but now. and now, it's time for this week's outside. and i'm joined by a very special guest . week's outside. and i'm joined by a very special guest. he is a british actor, writer , voice british actor, writer, voice artist and impressed us, known for his exceptional talent in impersonating various

personalities and characters , he personalities and characters, he began his career as a stand up comedian on the northern club circuit in the 1970s, performing in local workingmen's clubs in yorkshire and the north is also a professional puppeteer. he gained significant recognition for his work on the satirical puppet show spitting image. he is most famously known for providing the voice of margaret thatcher. have a look at him in action. >> this is parliament and big ben. >> when i was prime minister, the clock was always set. >> five minutes fast, proving britain was always ahead . britain was always ahead. >> of course, america is five hours behind us, though . hours behind us, though. >> if there's a world war that does spitting image legend steve nolan joins me now. >> lovely to have you here. did you like mrs. thatcher? >> i never voted for her. >> i never voted for her. >> you know, you're in a situation. but she paid your bills. well, no, my grandmother used to say to me, she said, why

don't you vote for us? >> she bought you a house, which is which is sort of true. no, i never voted for it. but you can see why people greatly admired her. i, i absolutely understand that. and i understood sort of where she came from. because you know, i come from a very working class background. all my family were tories and they wanted to sort of , you know, move up were tories and they wanted to sort of, you know, move up and sort of, you know, move up and sort of, you know, move up and sort of improve . and they wanted sort of improve. and they wanted me to go to university. they want , you know, so they came want, you know, so they came from a generation who had nothing . nothing. >> were you a natural rebel then ? >> not 7 >> not really 7_ >> not really . 7 >> not really . the ? >> not really . the thing ? >> not really. the thing is, with . my teacher used to say to with. my teacher used to say to me, i said, look, if you put the class clown on stage, it will never work . but it's always the never work. but it's always the quiet ones who sit at the back . quiet ones who sit at the back. and i was the one that sat at the back and sort of made notes

and very said, please, sir, i do impressions and got on to a show and when i used to do the clubs , people didn't used to believe it was me when i got on stage because i just became a, a completely different person. >> you acted it wasn't always you because i was interested. hear that you went to a jesuit school , you went to a jesuit school, you went to a jesuit school, you went to a jesuit school, but you were out doing the men's club circuit aged 60. and i wondered how what went wrong at your jesuit school top you at 16 and work. >> i had a wonderful time at school . school. >> it was a great school. i got very good results. i'm still in contact with the teachers , so contact with the teachers, so i had a very, very good education. and i was i, i loved i loved the whole schooling. but i wanted to perform . and the thing is , there perform. and the thing is, there was no one that i had no contact in theatre. so the only live entertainment i saw were the working men's club . so i just

working men's club. so i just and my grandmother had to take me because i was too young to go to the pubs by myself . and in to the pubs by myself. and in those days i'm going back a very long time . i those days i'm going back a very longtime. i used to do those days i'm going back a very long time . i used to do frank long time. i used to do frank spencer because everybody did. frank spencer i'm so sorry for doing that voice, but the other people i used to do were women who i greatly admired in comedy. there was a lady called hilda baker . baken >>i baken >> i said, i've got i must. >>— >> i said, i've got i must. >> oh, it's nearly ten past and must get a little and put on my watch. well have you been? >> i just loved the thing about those voices . they were so those voices. they were so wonderfully comic to listen to and that, i think, is what i picked up on with all the voices i did . and nowadays you can i did. and nowadays you can argue it's more difficult because the politicians have less interest . less interest. >> and i ask you, watching you now come alive as you do these people, is it about escapism for

you where you may be escaping your roots and being these wonderful people? >> i think all actors live in a slightly sort of fantasy world where we do escape into the other world. and i remember when i was very, very young , i had other world. and i remember when i was very, very young, i had a scarf and this scarf could be a turban or it could be a scarf or it could be a train or it could be anything. and behind the couch, i used to put this on and pretend to be people and i used to hate it when people used to look what stephen doing behind the couch and i was sort of being other people sort being other people and that sort of that sort of who's your favourite person? of that sort of who's your fav> no, because you'd go crackers, wouldn't you? only if you got too far in it. and i don't like doing mrs. thatcher at home. people say you know, do you do mrs. thatcher at home? at home. people say you know, do you io mrs. thatcher at home?

at home. people say you know, do you i don't. thatcher at home? and i don't. >> why, why? oh, goodness me. >> why, why? oh, goodness me. >> doesn't want to live with >> one doesn't want to live with this voice. why should anybody want to live with this voice coming? and what would the neighbours think it would bring down property prices . and we down property prices. and we don't want that. >> do we? >> do we? >> dennis left a voice. dennis left a voice. >> i the voice i like doing is probably my favourite is beryl reid and she's just beryl reid had such a warm friend sort of voice . and that's the one that voice. and that's the one that i quite like doing . quite like doing. >> well, i was going to say were you kind to the people and the voices of the people you like? did you pick fault in margaret thatcher's voice? did you deliberately make it more prickly, more spiky ? prickly, more spiky? >> well, we had here's the sort of caricature puppet . and if you of caricature puppet. and if you want to do an accurate impersonation of margaret thatcher, that is possible to do. >> that's the way she used to

speak in interviews. but goodness me, is a problem, is that this particular voice does not match the caricature. so what i had to do was take the voice that she had in the house of commons, which was stronger and more intimidating and i used to do that voice to match the caricature of the puppet . now, caricature of the puppet. now, goodness me, mrs. thatcher did not talk like that in interview , but it made sense to make that voice put the match the caricature . caricature. >> i hear you can do a cracking and widdecombe as well. what have you done to emphasise her voice. >> well she's got two voices. she's got she's got two notes in her voice , which is technically her voice, which is technically very difficult to do . so ask very difficult to do. so ask a question and she's not here, but we'll try to get to her answer a question. >> so have the women become replace the men in the hearts of the nation after this. >> i think i'm going to

interrupt you there, because it's my opinion that counts. >> women of always rule the roost. that is absolutely no doubt about that. in every home across britain, it is the woman of the house that takes control and has always taken control. so i do not see that there is anything to further to discuss . anything to further to discuss. >> well, there's something else i've got to discuss here, steve. >> do you do women's voice? >> why do you do women's voice? i you're magnificent. why i mean, you're magnificent. why >> women's voices more than men i >> technically, m >> technically, i have a higher voice. but here's the thing . i voice. but here's the thing. i was brought up by my grandmother , and she was an indomitable woman . tough love, yorkshire woman. tough love, yorkshire woman. tough love, yorkshire woman . and i think the men were woman. and i think the men were useless in my family. woman. and i think the men were useless in my family . and i useless in my family. and i think i was just drawn to what is now psychologically described as alpha women . and i think that as alpha women. and i think that was my. now, whether that's a good thing or a bad thing , i get

that. >> and i understand that. but to be able to do a woman's voice, i would have thought that would have been difficult. you know, the height or the thinness or the height or the thinness or the strength of the voice is different from man. surely >> can do male voices, >> i mean, i can do male voices, do a few, do a few . i >> i mean, i can do male voices, do a few, do a few. i did well on spitting image . do a few, do a few. i did well on spitting image. i was do a few, do a few. i did well on spitting image . i was the on spitting image. i was the person who did hattersley, who was the person who did all the speaking and, you know , and done speaking and, you know, and done all the voices over the years as well. it's i think it's just the fact that the women's voices i have chosen to do are more comedic than men's. now, whether thatis comedic than men's. now, whether that is a sort of sexist thing to say, i don't know. but that's what i think that the ann widdecombe has just got the most wonderful voice. when i met her, she she i said, you've got two notes and i said, you've got the top note on the bottom note happening at the same time. and the other who has that the other person who has that voice is homie simpson, homer

simpson and the simpsons. he has the same thing, the same two notes happening at the voice. >> exactly at the same time. >> exactly at the same time. >> quite difficult to do, actually, but there we are. >> long does it take you to >> how long does it take you to get a voice perfected? >> mean, you start a >> i mean, can you start a one and oh, it's quite and go, oh, it's not quite there, it aside and there, i'll put it aside and i'll come to it? i'll come back to it? >> with for >> you start with one word for me and. >> and you start with one word. how many years ago? the word i chose for kenneth williams was years . years. >> so i love kenneth. >> so i love kenneth. >> do that again or you say i started with the word yes. >> and then you develop tuc and then you find all the very different kinds of voices that he had because he could be so common, you know ? yes, he could common, you know? yes, he could be very intellectual . be very intellectual. >> the most difficult voice i ever did was actually robin williams, because like kenneth williams, because like kenneth williams, robin williams had lots of different voices. and the energy of his voice and the rhythms . rhythms. >> oh, yes. good morning, vietnam. he went higher and low

. he went all over the place. he was very sentimental. and yes . was very sentimental. and yes. and then he could get really excited and do all that. >> oh, my god, you could have been there. been robin there. >> even look like him as well. >> oh, no. you know, you got you. to to look you. you've got to try to look like the person you're doing, huh? >> that's incredible . who? you >> that's incredible. who? you talk about voices . less talk about voices. less interesting. maybe some of the voices. now, who do you think has got a good voice now? who are your current faves? >> i don't really do voices anymore. i'm what they used to call the uk gold impressionist because all the ones. >> oh, but you say that. >> oh, but you say that. >> can you put this skill behind you or were you glad to walk away? i mean, a gift i was away? i mean, it's a gift i was sort of glad to stop doing the contemporary voices. >> i think as you get older and i don't know why this is the case, but i think it's true that you somehow lose the capacity to do it. either it's something that in your brain or your throat, i don't know. and you've worn out your vocal. >> well, there is . >> well, there is. >> well, there is. >> is. is that issue

>> there is. there is that issue . but it's that thing where i once had a camera put down my throat and they wanted to see what looked like the what it looked like and all the rest of it, they said, do you have the second most have you have the second most interesting we've ever interesting larynx we've ever seen? said , right, okay. seen? and i said, right, okay. who the most interesting who had the most interesting larynx ? and they said, larynx? and they said, a ventriloquist , which makes ventriloquist, which makes absolute sense because the noise is coming not from the larynx , is coming not from the larynx, it's coming from you've got a olympic gold winning larynx. >> look , can i just say, steve, >> look, can i just say, steve, that's been fantastic. thank you for joining us today. we'll be forjoining us today. we'll be back. >> thank you . thank you. thank >> thank you. thank you. thank you for having me on the show. >> absolutely wonderful look, coming up , >> absolutely wonderful look, coming up, it's a great british debate this hour. i'm asking, are sadiq khan's ulez plans unravelling? but first, it's the latest weather forecast . latest weather forecast. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello, i am dan stroud and

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the people's channel. britain's news . channel news. channel >> you're with esther mcvey on gb news on tv and on digital radio. now it's time for our great british debate this hour. and i'm asking rcd khan's ulez plans unravelling . london mayor plans unravelling. london mayor sadiq khan is under fire after his office reported attempted to discredit science artists who questioned the effectiveness of his ulez scheme . private emails his ulez scheme. private emails revealed by the telegraph show the mayor's deputy for environment apparently colluding with an imperial college professor to fight back again . professor to fight back again. its findings challenging ulez impact on pollution . deputy impact on pollution. deputy mayor shirley rodriguez told professor frank kelly that she was disappointed when other academics at imperial had

publicised research questioning the effectiveness of ulez. he then agreed to issue a statement partly written by ms rodriguez, saying ulez had helped to dramatically reduce air pollution . professor kelly's pollution. professor kelly's environmental research group has been paid more than £800,000 by sadiq khan's. been paid more than £800,000 by sadiq khan's . office since 2021, sadiq khan's. office since 2021, and conservatives say the emails reveal professor kelly's and the mayor's office have an alarmingly close relationship. so with the expansion now facing criticism from all comers and all corners, i'm asking today are sadiq khan's ulez plans unravelling ? joining me to unravelling? joining me to discuss this is senior meteorologist for the british weather service , jim dale, and weather service, jim dale, and founder of fair fuel uk , howard founder of fair fuel uk, howard cox, coming to you first, jim dale , this does look like

dale, this does look like collusion. does it . not collusion. does it. not >> good afternoon . no, it >> good afternoon. no, it doesn't. >> you asked whether it's coming off the rails, whether it's just about to fall. >> well , it's not. on the 29th >> well, it's not. on the 29th of august. i believe that's the date it will roll out right across london as planned. the court case that was put upon by various conservative boroughs failed . so come on that day and failed. so come on that day and the days that follow the pollution that is experienced by many london londoners will start to reduce gradually . but it's to reduce gradually. but it's the right thing to do . 90% of the right thing to do. 90% of vehicles are compliant anyway, so we're only talking about the 10% of which that are generous , 10% of which that are generous, generous . i 10% of which that are generous, generous. i must 10% of which that are generous, generous . i must say, 10% of which that are generous, generous. i must say, a generous pay backs to them in terms of in terms of what what they will receive from from the mayor's office. so i don't see the argument whatsoever. >> but jim, i think i don't know

what the motive like how can i just come in there because you've set out the stall very clearly . but the question really clearly. but the question really was that the scientists had either been silenced or had really there was collaboration there a bit of pressure put on them to come out because she was really disappointed that the imperial college had published the findings questioning the effectiveness of ulez . and then effectiveness of ulez. and then a subsequent statement came out. clarification call it what you will. >> yeah. academics in the world of science will always have a case to argue with each other or debate with each other. that's just the normal thing. it happens within our own with our own sphere terms of climate own sphere in terms of climate change and the ramifications of that. that's a very normal event and i believe the original jim , and i believe the original jim, let me bring in howard. >> see there you go, howard. that's all it is. scientist have different on things. it

different views on things. it was not a moment for people and to ulez hello, hello , jim. to ulez hello, hello, jim. >> now i hear this so many times from jim. >> he's talking from his usual cloud cuckoo land . cloud cuckoo land. >> what's sad about this is that it shows the duplicitous nature of our london mayor. >> we already know the tfl have already published a report way back a year ago that said that the actual extension itself ulez extension, will make no demonstrable impact on the air we breathe. and yet he's still going ahead with it. and the court case was nothing to do with the actual decision of ulez the dishonest decision , ignoring the dishonest decision, ignoring pubuc the dishonest decision, ignoring public consultation as it was based on a process of how he got there. so it's not a sort of indicator that you les extension is a good thing. it's just simply saying he's allowed to do it . it's not saying it is good. it. it's not saying it is good. now these scientists, i'm afraid , you know, they are in collusion with the tfl and sadiq khan £800,000 worth of collusion. i mean, why couldn't

they actually just go out there with a metre, you know, handheld metre, like thousands other with a metre, you know, handheld metre, doingiousands other with a metre, you know, handheld metre, doing and|nds other with a metre, you know, handheld metre, doing and showingther with a metre, you know, handheld metre, doing and showing that people doing and showing that the levels are good the roadside levels are good quality gym ? quality gym? >> it does raise a question, though , doesn't it, when you see though, doesn't it, when you see that the group of scientists have got £800,000, it does make you rightly or wrongly, question whether it was as impartial as you would have liked. that scientific data to be. when they are getting that much money. >> well, we come back to motives and reasons and rhymes. why? there's one side and there's another side on sadiq khan side my side in terms of the scientific community per se, the reduction in in carbon dioxide, in in nitrogen dioxide and carbon monoxide , i don't see carbon monoxide, i don't see this as rocket science whatsoever. if i were to and i were to go out to the north circular, for example, and stand there for a day, me with a mask on him, not with a mask on, maybe find the maybe we would find the difference when he says, you

know, i find it staggering that there is a kind of blank pocket put over the pollution that cars put over the pollution that cars put out. we know that that is the truth. and that's what sadiq khanis the truth. and that's what sadiq khan is trying to do, is trying to reduce those. >> would your in denial? >> how would your in denial? you're in denial, howard . you're in denial, howard. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> esther i've been accused of this so many times, as you well know. the simple fact is that let's tell you what, jim. let's go down to the underground and see that it's 1,800% more particulate. it's down there now , don't nod your head like that because it's the truth. and that's that roadside that's the fact that roadside level don't agree with you. >> reason the reason you're >> the reason the reason you're doing that is you're having the race to the bottom . nobody's race to the bottom. nobody's nobody's measuring the underground and saying that the underground and saying that the underground is great. i was there the other myself in there the other day myself in camden street and camden walk camden street and you do to even in those you do tend to even in those zones of reduced. >> i'm going to thank you both . >> i'm going to thank you both. jim i'm going to thank you, howard. we were never a race to bottom on this station. we're a race the top. and we're

race to the top. and we're invariably on a race to get in the thank you both very the news. thank you both very much indeed. here with much indeed. you are here with esther mcvey gb on tv esther mcvey on gb news on tv and digital radio. coming up, we'll continue our great british debate. i'm asking sadiq khan ulez plans unravelling. you'll hear the thoughts of my panel. christine hamilton and danny kelly. but first, it's the latest news headlines with tatiana . tatiana. >> esther, thank you. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. england have missed out on world cup glory , losing the final to cup glory, losing the final to spain. one nil the lionesses came agonisingly close to becoming the first england senior side to win the trophy since the men's team in 1966. the prince of wales has tweeted, saying they've done themselves and this nation proud and the prime minister said while it wasn't to be, they've already secured their legacy as game changers . changers. >> the british medical association is calling for

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time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, are sadiq khan's ulez plans unravelling? london mercury khan is under fire after his office reportedly tried to discredit scientists who question the effectiveness of his ulez scheme. private emails revealed by the telegraph show the mayor's deputy for environment, shirley rodriguez, apparently colluded with an imperial college professor to fight back against findings challenging ulez impact on pollution. ms rodriguez told professor frank kelly that she was really disappointed when other academics at imperial publicised research questioning how effective ulez is . professor how effective ulez is. professor kelly then agreed to issue a statement partly written by ms rodriguez, saying ulez had helped to dramatically reduce air pollution . conservatives say air pollution. conservatives say the emails reveal professor kelly and the mayor's office have an alarmingly cosy relationship. so with the ulez expansion now facing criticism

from all corners , i'm asking from all corners, i'm asking today are sadiq khan's ulez plans unravelling? let's see what my panel make of it now. the show is nothing without you and your views , so let's welcome and your views, so let's welcome some of our british voices a bit later. but first, we've got our panel here. danny and christine. so do you think there there was collusion ? when do you think collusion? when do you think when those scientists might have had some evidence that wasn't what sadiq khan wanted to put out in the in the media? do you think it was reversed? >> it's interesting , isn't it? >> it's interesting, isn't it? if the other sides had been found out to be paying £800,000 to scientists who are saying an alternative narrative , then alternative narrative, then people like jim would be all over and shouting of collusion and dirty tactics and things like that. so we need some consistency . what i dislike consistency. what i dislike about khan's ulez london is the

fact that it's so punishing. for example, birmingham and bristol have the same criteria for clean air. there are lots of other cities that have clean air zones, but the criteria is much lower. so khan wants £12.50. he'll give you four days to pay . day five, he wants £180 fund birmingham charge £8. they give you seven days to pay it. if you if you're if you like they want 120 bristol one £9 they give you seven days to pay. so khan wants £12.5. seven days to pay. so khan wants £125. he seven days to pay. so khan wants £12.5. he gives you three fewer days to pay it and he wants 180 knicker. it's like something from the mob in america. it's like a racket . like a racket. >> so, so going back to the scientific evidence there, you're not question that because maybe you think what some scientists might say this might some not. or, you some might say it's not. or, you know there is a collective know, there is a collective i agree with you. for us, yours is more about the financial demands and then how it ratchets us up. >> the question is, is are his plans unravelling? and you plans unravelling? and when you see like that, you know see evidence like that, you know

what plans are , are to try what his plans are, are to try and rake as much dough as possible unfair time period. >> it's got absolute lutely nothing to do with air quality or anything like that. it's all part of his raft of measures to try squeeze the money out of try and squeeze the money out of the motorist, whether it's his traffic goodness traffic calming and goodness knows mean. example, knows what i mean. for example, a one person we have traded in a car that we would have to have paid the ulez charge for every time we brought it into london, there it. time we brought it into london, theronly it. time we brought it into london, theronly reason it. time we brought it into london, theronly reason we it. time we brought it into london, theronly reason we traded it. time we brought it into london, theronly reason we traded it it. time we brought it into london, theronly reason we traded it in. the only reason we traded it in because were not prepared because we were not prepared to pay because we were not prepared to pay so we've pay the ulez charge. so we've now a hybrid so we don't now got a hybrid so we don't have to. how many people have to. how many more people are doesn't seem are doing that? he doesn't seem to many small to care how many small businesses in outer london you can afford to change it. >> there's other people . >> maybe there's other people. businesses, of businesses, people. no, of course, social hours who can't. and he doesn't care how much he impacts adversely. >> small businesses. no outer suburbs, all making money. suburbs, all about making money. >> what i would say is that he's got a generous £2,000 scrappage scheme. but i'm a car dealer. i'm going to do business with the guy whose car is worth 8500 pounds. not as friendly.

pounds. it's not as friendly. now, khan will say, don't worry , give grand , i'll give you two grand scrappage scheme. the car's worth 8500 pounds. don't be misled and fooled by people who say that there are generous scrappage it's only scrappage schemes. it's only generous car that you're generous if your car that you're getting rid isn't worth two getting rid of isn't worth two grand. cars nowadays. grand. and cars nowadays. they've the roof in they've gone through the roof in in price and most cars are worth a lot more than two a hell of a lot more than two grand, non ulez grand, including non ulez complaining. that. >> might say the e might say the >> you might say the air isn't clean or it isn't healthy in london. >> how do we go about it if it's not the cars and before we had jim and howard on and they were talking how dirty the tubes are as well, how do you go about cleaning the air in london? >> well , one way you cleaning the air in london? >> well, one way you don't >> well, the one way you don't go it is, danny go about it is, as danny mentioned paying mentioned earlier, paying £800,000 for a survey and then rejecting the findings. i mean, that that can't possibly that that you can't possibly do that. have survey that. you want to have a survey which paid for, which you haven't paid for, which you haven't paid for, which has done completely which has been done completely independently. , how can independently. i mean, how can a professor imperial college professor at imperial college actually put their name to something that they've been paid by person who then says, no, by the person who then says, no,

hang you haven't hang on a moment, you haven't got can we change it? >> you know, you'll it? you know, you'll have >> oh, you know, you'll have collected and collected data before and evidence before. and we're not seeing the of the report. seeing the whole of the report. some of it might have caveats, but when you look at it in its entirety, it say, but you know what? majority decision was what? the majority decision was actually it would be better in the air. isn't that clean, therefore ? but there would have therefore? but there would have been dissenting views . it been dissenting views. it doesn't the dissenting doesn't mean that the dissenting views major views. doesn't mean that the dissenting vieithat's major views. doesn't mean that the dissenting vieithat's the major views. doesn't mean that the dissenting vieithat's the life ajor views. doesn't mean that the dissenting vieithat's the life is r views. doesn't mean that the dissenting vieithat's the life is full ws. doesn't mean that the dissenting vieithat's the life is full of. >> that's the life is full of balance. now, we may not be breathing like we're in the breathing air like we're in the swiss be swiss alps, but there has to be balance between less cleaner. i'm going to use word i'm not going to use the word dirty, cleaner dirty, less air cleaner and people getting with their people getting on with their lives. is why for lives. exactly. that is why for example, government has example, the government has speed limits of 30 miles an hour instead of 15 miles an hour in residential areas. fewer people will killed if it 50 will be killed if it was 50 miles hour. the miles an hour. but the government understands that the towns to on towns and cities need to get on with lives equally. people with their lives equally. people in london need to get on in greater london need to get on with their lives with less clean cars there's to be struck. >> there's a moment when the graphs don't the graphs cross, don't they? the question where stop? question is, where do you stop? i obviously if we had no

i mean, obviously if we had no cars at all, air would be cars at all, the air would be cleaner. is a patently cleaner. but that is a patently absurd and patently absurd car and just takes it far too far because he's basically out to get the motorist and the public have been sort of voting in their droves, haven't they? >> that's what made sure the conservatives won the oxbridge byelection because people were looking at the extension and said, you know what, we can't afford it. we're doing these balance up of the information ourselves and we can't afford it. >> and there's been this wonderful uprising of people power. condoning power. i'm not condoning criminal activity , but the criminal activity, but the number of ulez cameras that have been destroyed by people is phenomenal. quite extraordinary. people just saying we are not having and they're tearing having this and they're tearing down not down the cameras. i'm not condoning it, but it's happening. i'm a middle aged asthmatic >> i'm a middle aged asthmatic bloke and i put it this way. when i go to my car. >> i love you, danny. >> i love you, danny. >> thank you. when i go to my car, i'm not i'm not inhaling what consider different here what i consider different here to leamington spa. i can't to leafy leamington spa. i can't tell the difference between you and that's what they're saying .

and that's what they're saying. >> you can't. but maybe your body well if that was the body can. well if that was the case, i'd be reaching for my inhaler. >> i'm not. no we'll end it there. >> thank you very much indeed. the show is not without you and your view. so now let's welcome some of our great british voices. this is your opportunity to be on the show and tell us what you really think about the topics we're discussing . so topics we're discussing. so today, joined by two of my today, i'm joined by two of my great british voices so let's start with alan there. alan mcneely from grimsby. how is it going for you? what have you got to say ? to say? >> good afternoon. i start in your panel for me, sir colin, as your panel for me, sir colin, as you like, scheme is nothing more than a virtue signalling money grab . grab. >> there's no scientific evidence that he's produced that it's going to make the slightest bit difference to anybody in bit of difference to anybody in london or in greater london for that matter. >> and also seems to me to be highly undemocratic because most of the people that's going to affect live outside of london never voted for khan in the

first place. so i really hope that his scheme is unravelling because i think it's completely and utterly unjust. so let's bnngin and utterly unjust. so let's bring in dr. mudaliar. >> how do you think she's in milton keynes? what do you think? are you agreeing with this or are you sticking up for sadiq khan? >> good afternoon , esther. it's >> good afternoon, esther. it's been fantastic to watch your show today. yes, i think it is unravelling and i do understand there's a lot of criticism regarding from the scientists that are saying and imperial college is well respected. the evidence is saying there isn't enough evidence to suggest that it does reduce air pollution. so this is questionable . esther, this is questionable. esther, the other concerns is criticism in the government against the ulez policy and the low emission policy, which is supposed to go in effect in the 29th of august. we rate motorists will have to pay a we rate motorists will have to pay a hefty fee of £12.50. and then this concerns and protests from bikers, from boulders, from

many londoners where the ulez is not presented to of. so it does seem to be unravelling. it seems like it will be going ahead. but i do hope that it will unravel in the way that that more evidence will come out, that it's not effective. >> so you know, alan, i'm going to come back to you. everybody here is thinking it or hoping that it's unravelling. but let's get back to the health implications. alan are you putting money then the cost over the possible health implications , do you not think there's something in there, a nugget in there that we've got to, you know , really look after people's know, really look after people's health? what should we be doing? what could we be doing ? what could we be doing? >> the evidence that i've heard after says that in about 106 years, this scheme might add eight days. >> life expectancy onto the

average person's life . if they average person's life. if they can't really wanted to do something about the air quality in london, he should be looking at the tubes , which as you know, at the tubes, which as you know, are absolutely filthy and horrible to travel on. but he doesn't seem to be concerned about that at all. as far as i can tell, this is simply about getting money into tfl. it's not going to dramatically change people's lives or save the 4000 people. he claims that are dying each year, which again is a figure just plucked out of the air as far as i can tell. and from not doing. >> cynics not doing too well here. i'm trying my hardest to see if anybody's going to change the views. but it seems that chastain is not, as she was nodding ahead, furious there. and alan's not either. and in the studio we've got the same and maybe the public thinking that too. but thank you both. thank you for joining that too. but thank you both. thank you forjoining us. great thank you for joining us. great to have you on the show . and now to have you on the show. and now it's to have you on the show. and now wsfime to have you on the show. and now it's time for supplement sunday, where my panel and i discuss

some of the new stories that caught their eyes. so let's start with danny's supplement . start with danny's supplement. >> okay. i'm not on twitter and i'm delighted not to be on twitter, but i do keep an eye on people who are on twitter. carol vorderman seems to have completely gone deranged. i've never understood or i can't understand where this this seemingly sudden hatred for conservatism has come from or for brexit. and now apparently her dislike of the royal family and the amount . okay, here we and the amount. okay, here we go. vorderman went on to praise queen letizia of spain , flying queen letizia of spain, flying over to australia to see the spanish women's team and went on to criticise prince william for not attending the women's world cup final to support the lionesses. now, quite rightly , lionesses. now, quite rightly, people have said, okay, so she's accused him basically of , i accused him basically of, i suppose, sexism that he's not treating the women's game as equally as the men's game . and equally as the men's game. and we've heated discussion we've had a heated discussion about she's going on about that and she's going on once again just to seem use once again just to seem to use this platform just to double down. i'm going use the down. and i'm going to use the

word seems so toxic word hatred. it seems so toxic what comes from this woman's keeper nowadays. she's gone to on highlight that the british royal family is the most expensive, to find expensive, trying to find relatives . relatives. >> i mean, you know, is she >> yes. i mean, you know, is she becoming a keyboard warrior, getting a heads getting more getting a heads up, getting more of a following, and maybe that will more sort of media will give her more sort of media exposure? what is ? exposure? is that what it is? >> i don't know. i'm not on twitter. guys are on twitter. you guys are on twitter. you guys are on twitter. why twitter. i don't know why you do it. >> it. that is one. but you >> i think that is one. but you actually the break, actually just during the break, you think is one you hit upon what i think is one of ones is she's of the other ones is she's trying to ingratiate herself with so have with labour. so we'll have dame carol and head carol vorderman and she can head off to house of lords. how off to the house of lords. how about gets about that? when starmer gets with this one was about the royal family >> i mean, this one just seemed i mean, don't get me wrong. i also thought prince william should have been there. i absolutely thought president of the fa as well as the royal family, so i thought he should have there. so on that have been there. so on that i agree. but would i have maybe smashed out something on a keyboard as as as hateful as that? >> that's an interesting

opinion. but what she's done, she's juxtaposed , posed it next she's juxtaposed, posed it next to a graph detailing the expense that the royal family cost the british taxpayer. so she's criticised him for not going. that's a valid criticism . but that's a valid criticism. but why do you have to align it with the expense? so there's an underlying message there. >> her argument is that they're costing us a lot of money and he should jolly well get himself out. i think it's really out. i think it's been a really one of the first wrong moves that prince wales has that the prince of wales has made, think it's made, really do think it's a very bad thought was an own very bad i thought it was an own goal very bad i thought it was an own goal. an own exactly. goal. an own goal. exactly. christine what have you got it? well, mine is now for something completely different . people completely different. people will remember that one of queen's best love songs was fat bottomed girls loved it. and this was 1978, written by brian may, a humorous and hard rocking tribute to fuller figure ladies, what's wrong with that? well, there's a lot wrong with it. apparently, it has now been dropped from their greatest hit album. so instead of having, you know, don't stop me now we know, don't stop me now and we will you and fat bottomed will rock you and fat bottomed girls, fat bottomed girls is now

havei girls, fat bottomed girls is now have i got time to read one of the one of the lines it's go on, go if anybody's offended by go on. if anybody's offended by this, it's too bad . the lyrics, this, it's too bad. the lyrics, such as left alone with big fat . she was such a naughty nanny. big woman. you may rhyme. you made a bad boy out of me. fat bottomed girls . you make the bottomed girls. you make the rock and world go round . that is rock and world go round. that is no longer acceptable . no longer acceptable. >> but i must admit it took me quite, quite a long time in my life to understand that a big fat was referenced a backside in america . i wasn't aware of that america. i wasn't aware of that until i understood the differences. >> we better not get into some of the language differences between american and english gone. >> but maybe changed a couple of the words . why? no, no, no. i'm the words. why? no, no, no. i'm just saying because i mean, i think it's wrong because you've now thrown everything away, haven't great. haven't you? the song is great. the was great. it was fun. the music was great. it was fun. but now you're getting rid of absolutely everything. why can't somebody their somebody express their appreciation or whatever for fat bottomed girls?

>> i mean , listen, i'm all for, >> i mean, listen, i'm all for, you know, just i'm danny. >> i don't want you to feel left out. well, may i? bottom boys as well. >> i've been accused of being a chauvinist this afternoon, and i'd like to just highlight the television. there is not one fat bottomed girl in this studio today, but there's one bottom boy. >> there's one boy. you keep the world going round. that's it, baby. just say. but so much fun. we will rock you doo doo doo. >> we love all that . we love all that. >> i think it's ridiculous. he's taking the fun out of the world. we need a good laugh. >> well, it's the word karama, isn't it? all the word karate or whatever isn't it? all the word karate or whtthere another song >> there another queen song where a gun where the lyrics are put a gun against head, pulled the against his head, pulled the trigger. dead. trigger. now he's dead. >> a man. in >> just killed a man. so in rhapsody , if we're censoring rhapsody, if we're censoring songs queen because of big, songs from queen because of big, fat, funny , then shouldn't we fat, funny, then shouldn't we also be mindful of gunfire in london start? london and start? >> i don't agree with it, but by following their logic, you should censor that. >> there are many, many >> i'm sure there are many, many songs could get and they'll songs you could get and they'll probably a heyday going probably have a heyday going

through my favourite songs through all my favourite songs and getting rid them and this and getting rid of them and this is stupidity of because is the stupidity of it because they do for everything. they must do it for everything. >> can't stop one, >> you can't just stop at one, otherwise inconsistent . otherwise you're inconsistent. >> i say stop. don't any , >> i say stop. don't do any, don't >> i say stop. don't do any, doryou can't sing delilah >> you can't sing delilah anymore. and as i understand it, sweet caroline is apparently rather suspect in various ways . rather suspect in various ways. and you can't have lucy in the sky diamond eyes and all sky with diamond eyes and all that of thing. sky with diamond eyes and all tha it's of thing. sky with diamond eyes and all tha it's mental. ig. sky with diamond eyes and all tha it's mental. it's mental. >> it's mental. it's mental. >> it's mental. it's mental. >> ridiculous. accept >> it's ridiculous. just accept them are. they them for what they are. they were their time . they were lyrics of their time. they were lyrics of their time. they werthen the fight back on music >> then the fight back on music is here with danny and is starting here with danny and christine. absolute well, thank you there. thank you. and we'll keep an eye out on carol vorderman tweets what she puts out next and where she's where she's going, whether she ends up in the lords. >> you heard it here. if she does on today's show. >> thank you very much, both of you. on today's show. we've been asking, have the lionesses replaced the men in the heart of the nation? according to our twitter 27% of you say yes twitter poll, 27% of you say yes . and 73% of you say no .

. and 73% of you say no. christina said it was a journey, wasn't it? was still on that journey. thank you so much to my panel journey. thank you so much to my panel, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly and broadcaster and author christine hamilton. danny and christine, thank you. thank you. thank you for everybody at for all for everybody at home, for all their company leave you their company. i'll leave you with forecast . with the weather forecast. >> the temperatures rising, boxt solar the proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello. i am dan stroud and this is your latest gb news forecast from the met office. so we currently have high pressure to the south of the country and further to the north we have this big area of low pressure and that is helping to keep it generally unsettled. the further north and west you are. we currently have thicker cloud with outbreaks of rain pushing in across parts of northern ireland and northwest scotland . ireland and northwest scotland. further to the south and east across much of england and wales, largely dry. and with those clear skies overnight, temperatures dipping low enough

for some mist and fog patches to actually form by dawn. but these figures, these temperatures largely staying in double figures overnight. so largely staying in double figures overnight . so that's largely staying in double figures overnight. so that's a bright start to monday morning with any mist and fog across the extreme south and east, quick to actually lift further to the north. we do have that thicker cloud and rain starting to actually push in during the course of the day across parts of scotland and northern ireland. and the winds will also be freshening up through the irish sea . and with those irish sea. and with those slightly breezier conditions , slightly breezier conditions, despite the fact that these temperatures are higher the temperatures are higher than the values sunday, it will values we saw on sunday, it will feel chillier out feel slightly chillier out there. so on tuesday, that band of cloud and rain will continue to push southwards into england and wales. and that changeable theme continues for the rest of theme continues for the rest of the week with temperatures peaking on wednesday. bye for now . the temperatures rising , now. the temperatures rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on .

66, the king praised their skill, determination and team spirit, and the prime minister said while it wasn't to be, they've already secured their legacy as game changers. they've already secured their legacy as game changers . despite legacy as game changers. despite the lost jeanie allitt , a member the lost jeanie allitt, a member of the original lioness team of 1972, still has high hopes for the future . the future. >> i think that whole whole of england is very emotional at the moment. it could have come home. spain was just that little bit better. if i have to be honest, we should have just done the take the chances. what we had . take the chances. what we had. it wasn't to be. it will come home eventually . home eventually. >> in other news, the british medical association's calling for hospital managers to be regulated in a similar way to medical staff. the call comes in the wake of lucy libby's conviction . the bma says it's conviction. the bma says it's deeply worrying that consultants who repeatedly raised concerns about the former nurse won't listen to letby, who was found

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