for it if it indeed was in place also as well? what about the goings on at the hospital ? trust goings on at the hospital? trust so many people now will come under fire for their failings and also as well. well actually, we're just going to get right deep into the thick of that topic. also as well. on other matters, the lionesses didn't win at the weekend, but get this, now they're facing criticism because they're all too white. what is going on? and also , sadiq khan's office under also, sadiq khan's office under fire for the similar kind of thing, suggesting a white family doesn't represent london. let me ask you this. why is it okay to be racist towards essentially white people? because you would not get away with saying those comments about any body else but white people. don't worry about them. they are fair game. what is going on? also as well, i want to talk about nato this talk now of ascending jets to

ukraine. what do you think? should britain be backing this or not? have we done enough ? at or not? have we done enough? at what point do we say, okay, it's not our war? will there ever be a point or are we in it now until the bitter end? whatever that might look like? plus, nigel, nigel farage, as you know, follows me at 7:00, but he's a little bit like kevin mccallister. he seems to be lost in new york right now. i'll be following his progress and seeing what's going on. but before we get into all of that, let's get up to speed with tonight's latest headlines. as . tonight's latest headlines. as. good evening. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. the parents of two triplet boys murdered by lucy letby on successive days have said the nurses destroyed their lives . nurses destroyed their lives. the judge ordered that she be sent a transcript of his sentencing remarks and copies of the statements read aloud by families of her victims. it comes after the most prolific child serial killer in modern

british history was given a whole life term but refused to appearin whole life term but refused to appear in court. the 33 year old was found guilty of murdering seven babies and attempting to murder six more at the countess of chester hospital between 2015 and 2016. on handing down the sentence, mr justice and 2016. on handing down the sentence, mrjustice goss said there was premeditation. calculate and cunning in her actions . actions. >> you acted in a way that was completely contrary to the normal human instincts of nurturing and caring for babies and in gross breach of the trust that all citizens place in those who work in the medical and caring professions . caring professions. >> while the mother of nine year old olivia practical belle , who old olivia practical belle, who was fatally shot inside her home in august last year, says her heart goes out to the families of lucy levy's victims after she didn't appear in court for the sentencing. >> the impact statement was really hard. it wasn't it didn't

take minutes . it was days over a take minutes. it was days over a matter of weeks . that first port matter of weeks. that first port of call of rehabilitation should be in that courtroom and standing there listening to the judge and listening to the families impact statements , families impact statements, while those statements from parents were heard by the court this morning, parents were heard by the court this morning , the mother of one this morning, the mother of one baby murdered by lucy letby says her experience in hospital was like something out of a horror story . story. >> another said she was haunted by vivid images and that letby had destroyed her life after two of her triplets were killed and a further mother of two of letby victims, one of whom survived, called her absence from court today, a final act of wickedness from a coward . labour leader sir from a coward. labour leader sir keir starmer says the government must change the law to force criminals to hear their sentencing . sentencing. >> need to change the law. >> we need to change the law. i hope the government will do it because think it can be done

because i think it can be done very quickly. if they do not, we will amendment to will force an amendment to appropriate legislation. but actually my position is to invite the government to get on with it , to offer labour support with it, to offer labour support . so this could go through very, very quickly . this isn't the very quickly. this isn't the first case. the government has been dragging its heels on this . get on with it for the sake of these victims. and of course the other cases that went before it i >> -- >> the government's facing criticism for ordering a non—statutory inquiry , with some non—statutory inquiry, with some saying it lacks teeth . but the saying it lacks teeth. but the prime minister says it's important families get answers quickly . quickly. >> well, i think the important thing for the inquiry to do is make sure that families get the answers that they need . answers that they need. >> that is possible for us to >> that it is possible for us to learn the lessons from what happened. everything conducted transparently and to happen as quickly as possible . those are quickly as possible. those are the objectives that we for the objectives that we want for the objectives that we want for the inquiry and will make sure that up deliver on that it's set up to deliver on those aims . those aims. >> other news, 750 migrants >> in other news, 750 migrants have crossed the english channel have crossed the english channel, so far today as the

border force begins a week of so—called red days. the force's systems predicting high numbers of arrivals with close to ideal conditions . forecast gb news can conditions. forecast gb news can reveal that 15 small boats made it to uk waters earlier today. maritime sources have confirmed that one boat carrying around 50 migrants made it to the sussex coast in rye . manchester united coast in rye. manchester united and mason greenwood have mutually agreed for the player to leave old trafford. the forward had been suspended since january last year after being charged with attempted rape and assault. the case was discontinued by the crown prosecution service six and a half months ago in a statement, the 21 year old said he accepts he made mistakes in his relationship and he takes his share of responsibility from today. londoners are eligible for a cash grant of up to £2,000 for a cash grant of up to £2,000 for cars that don't comply with ulez policies. the mayor of london scrappage scheme will cost around £110 million. it begins today ahead of the expanded ultra low emission

zone, which will cover all london boroughs. from zone, which will cover all london boroughs . from the 29th london boroughs. from the 29th of august. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now it's back to . michelle news. now it's back to. michelle thanks, tatiana. what i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. alongside me , the 7:00 tonight. alongside me, the columnist for the mail on sunday, peter hitchens, and the pr consultant alex dean. good evening. evening, gents. i say confidently, by the way, with me until seven, but you'll be aware that at seven nigel farage takes the hot seat over from me. but in a little bit like kevin mccallister style, i'm showing my age that my favourite film, home alone, is currently lost in new york, i think. well, i hope that he's just about got off a plane there. it should be, i hope imminently going through passport control . but goodness passport control. but goodness only knows what may happen

between then and now . so you between then and now. so you guys, you might actually be here. i don't know. we'll just. >> we'll wing it, tap dance, we'll entertain you. >> tap dance . >> tap dance. >> tap dance. >> i was just about to say i would pay good money to see you tap dance on. we can discuss that in one of the commercial breaks. we can negotiate anywhere. i shall keep you updated with that. but in the meantime, you know the drill, don't you? get in touch with me. vaiews@gbnews.com. or you can tweet me at gb news. now, the biggest story of the day, of course, lucy letby, she has been sentenced to a whole life order of course, now we know familiar with the details of this story, the murder of seven babies and the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of six. i mean, obviously , there's only so mean, obviously, there's only so far you can say just how evil this woman is. but i will cross live to our north—west of england. reporter sophie reaper. sophie good evening to you. please can you just bring us up to speed your outside of manchester crown courts as we

speak. just bring my viewers up to speed with the latest goings on of the day . on of the day. >> well, good evening to you. it's been an incredibly emotional day here today at manchester crown court. this morning, we heard those victim impact statements from the families of lucy let these victims some incredibly harrowing lines from those victims , impact statements, victims, impact statements, things like the parents of child a and child b, one of whom was murdered, one of whom lucy letby attempted to murder. they said we hope you have a very long life and spend every day suffering for what you've done. you are nothing. we also notably heard from the father of child own child p the two boys in a set of triplets who were both murdered. he spoke about hitting rock bottom and considering taking his own life . he said. taking his own life. he said. lucy letby has destroyed our lives. the anger and hatred i have for her will never go away.

it is destroyed me as a man and as a father. now, listening to that in the courtroom was truly , truly very difficult for me and for my colleagues at other news outlets. it's been a really hard thing to sit and listen along to. then in the afternoon we heard from justice goss as he began his sentencing of the defendant. of course, she didn't appearin defendant. of course, she didn't appear in the dock. we knew that she wouldn't or we suspected that she wouldn't anyway , given that she wouldn't anyway, given her of appearances, the her lack of appearances, the past few times, court has sat and we were right. we didn't see lucy letby today. she refused to appear and face up to the crimes that she had committed. and in that she had committed. and in that sentencing , justice goss that sentencing, justice goss said there were premeditation , said there were premeditation, calculation and cunning in your actions. you have no remorse and there are no missing gating factors. and as a result , he there are no missing gating factors. and as a result, he did indeed, as we suspect , factors. and as a result, he did indeed, as we suspect, did pass the whole life order, which means that lucy letby, who is

now in modern british history, the word serial killer of children , then she will now children, then she will now spend the rest of her life in prison . prison. >> sophie reaper thank you very much for bringing us up to speed with that. now, this whole case is absolutely disgrace, awful, deeply disturbing . and like many deeply disturbing. and like many of you, i imagine i was listening as well along to proceedings today. and it was the sophie was just saying, absolutely devastating to hear the impact statements read out by those families is absolutely heartbreaking. now, there is so much to unpick and unpack from this story, so i've got a few questions for you guys on my panel tonight . i'm wondering, panel tonight. i'm wondering, do you need to reopen the you think we need to reopen the conversation about the death penalty it comes to cases penalty when it comes to cases like this? of course, sophie was just there lucy just mentioning there that lucy wasn't well , she was at wasn't even well, she was at court, but wasn't in the court, but she wasn't in the dock. didn't sit there dock. she didn't sit there and hear the judge those impacts statements. we were just saying she want to she didn't she didn't want to she didn't have to. and also as well, i

want to get to the whole situation around the nhs. you know, look the know, when you look at the failings mind failings there, they are mind blowing suspect there will blowing and i suspect there will be more information coming out over the coming days and weeks. i'm do you deal with i'm asking how do you deal with this then? what do we do with criminal proceedings? is that the seen the answer we've seen a suspension apparently already today. get into all today. so i want to get into all of aspects you. and of those aspects with you. and i've a key question for you, i've got a key question for you, because emotionally you'll be shouting at telly saying, shouting at your telly saying, yes, course, lucy shouting at your telly saying, yes, should course, lucy shouting at your telly saying, yes, should have ourse, lucy shouting at your telly saying, yes, should have been, lucy shouting at your telly saying, yes, should have been forced to letby should have been forced to sit that dock. my question, sit in that dock. my question, we all agree, perhaps, but we will all agree, perhaps, but how do that then? if how do you do that then? if you've criminal that's you've got a criminal that's going to disrupt proceedings, it's going to be deeply inhumane towards victims families. towards the victims families. how are you going to make sure that runs smoothly? so that that all runs smoothly? so don't in with me don't just get in touch with me saying yes , you want to force saying yes, you want to force people. i want your plans as to how would that happen. how you would make that happen. let just pick up on this let me just pick up on this death penalty point. first of all, you, do you all, with you, alex, do you think because we read cases like this, now start saying this, people now start saying time the death penalty time for the death penalty conversation would in conversation, would you be in favour of iva, the

favour of the iva, the conversation, perhaps conversation, maybe perhaps a referendum then an outcome referendum and then an outcome perhaps return to capital punishment? >> no, i wouldn't . and the case >> no, i wouldn't. and the case can be as bad as this, which is as bad as it gets. and i'm still not in favour of a return to the death penalty. >> really. >> really. >> i don't think the state should kill people. okay >> we'll come back and we'll pick in a second. but pick that in a second. but peter, your thought? >> oh, i been arguing for peter, your thought? >> death been arguing for peter, your thought? >> death penalty�*n arguing for peter, your thought? >> death penalty for rguing for peter, your thought? >> death penalty for decades.’ the death penalty for decades. i have seen in my life two execution plans and it hasn't altered my view that the death penalty is a vital weapon in the hands of the justice system to protect the innocent against the evil and the violent . protect the innocent against the evil and the violent. having made that point absolutely clear, that it's something i would consider, i think we have to be extremely careful about it under current circumstances . at under current circumstances. at the moment, we're all talking about lucy letby, but two weeks ago we were talking about andrew makinson, a man who was convicted by a jury under the same justice system as a convicted lucy letby of a

horrible crime of rape and who was treated after his conviction with similar. i've looked it up the reporter from the manchester evening news who covered the trial has written a fascinating article about how was when article about how it was when the jury verdict was first reached and the whole attitude everybody had towards mr marcus at the time of dismissing him as at the time of dismissing him as a violence and unforgivable rapist. now, we know that that justice system completely failed, but we know that because of dna , we know that the dna of dna, we know that the dna actually proved that ultimately you would have innocence by the time that dna had come to life. >> wouldn't have personally >> i wouldn't have personally had him one would have >> i wouldn't have personally had state one would have >> i wouldn't have personally had state would one would have >> i wouldn't have personally had state would have would have >> i wouldn't have personally had state would have executed ve the state would have executed him we had the death penalty him had we had the death penalty for that sort of offence well before such exonerating evidence came to light. i did a criminal cases, a criminal. >> because you're a barrister. i just want to make that clear as well. for people that might not be familiar with that. >> i did a criminal case review commission a serious commission case of a serious

sexual wasn't rape. my sexual assault wasn't rape. my client had spent some years in prison and exonerating evidence emerged was desperate emerged later. he was desperate to have his name cleared. he was already unlike mallinson. he was already unlike mallinson. he was already was already out of prison. he was desperate have his his name desperate to have his his name cleared from time to time. such things do happen, but there are great injustices. there's very little you can do to restore to somebody the life that they have lost. but you certainly can't do it if you've killed them. >> it's not just that, though. i think the my impression is that the both the police and the prosecution service and the justice system in this country are deteriorating quite fast. they simply are not of the standard which i would which i would feel able to trust with a decision like sentencing somebody to death. they say i'm very much in favour of it, but people will always turn around and say, well, but you can't do it. what if there was a mistake? and i would say, actually, if you you take serious you if you take serious precautions if you run your precautions and if you run your justice system properly, the chances of the mistake are very small. in any case, many

small. and in any case, in many other alex, is the state other ways, alex, is the state shouldn't kill the state kills all the time. the state kills when it's when it employs and deploys an army and air force and a navy. the state kills when it actually when it licences the current transport system, which we have, which guarantees each year to kill hundreds of totally needlessly come on the and the other thing is that each every 2 or 3 i think 2—2 convicted murderers who have been released from prison kill again re—offend every three years in this country. now they are deaths of innocent people . they are the innocent people. they are the result of the policy, a generally humane policy of releasing some people early. it's simply not possible to devise a policy in which every every conceivable chance of a of an innocent person being killed is eliminated. and it would be hypocritical of us to pretend that's what our concern was in this case, though, i think the mallinson case shows that both in the and in the

in the police and in the prosecution service and in the appeals system, a very appeals system, there is a very , serious set of flaws , very serious set of flaws which would make it extremely difficult for us to support the death penalty against anybody at the moment when the state kills people in the course of armed combat fighting aggressors or the king's enemies abroad , it the king's enemies abroad, it does so because we are defending our nation in in the course of mortal combat. >> it's very different to in cold blood calculatedly taking a life in the justice system and equally to compare it to our transport system is no offence facile because it's not the intent of the transport system for a moment to execute somebody. whereas plainly if you put a noose around their neck or inject lethal toxins into their vein, it is. >> let me answer those those two points. first of all, quite a lot of killing in wars is pretty cold blooded, especially when we dropped serbia a few dropped bombs on serbia a few years ago and killed the make up lady. serbian tv in lady. it's serbian tv in belgrade that was pretty cold

blooded and it was very much approved of by liberal minded persons in this country. it's the other thing that we the other thing is that we maintain arms services to kill as a deterrent , to protect as a deterrent, to protect ourselves from external attack. we maintain when we did the death penalty to defend ourselves against internal attack from people who weren't prepared to respect human life. >> if one concedes on the on the on the issue, on the issue of road deaths, we know it. >> it is statistical certainty that the transport policy which this country has agreed on, will kill one hundreds of innocent. >> it's not yet, but it's not intentional. >> there is absolutely no way in which that it's absurd. i didn't interrupt to you. there is no way in which that cannot be described intentional. we described as intentional. we know it's going to happen. and yet still do. yet we still do. >> don't quite i've gotten >> i don't quite now i've gotten to traffic accident. to road traffic accident. >> i, because it's relevant. >> let me you a question. >> let me ask you a question. no, it isn't. let me ask you a question, because i am in favour of the death penalty for the most hideous crimes. most hideous of crimes. i wouldn't have some case, wouldn't have the in some case, i have had him as a i wouldn't have had him as a

potential candidate for it. but if in favour of the if someone is in favour of the death penalty, i.e. you've just said are what would be the said you are what would be the reason? for punishment? is reason? is it for punishment? is it to future crimes? is it it to deter future crimes? is it to money incarceration? to save money of incarceration? what's the driver? >> driver is >> the fundamental driver is deterrence if you deterrence of either. if you happen take christian happen to take a christian position, there a there is an position, there is a there is an argument that is preferable argument that it is preferable way dealing with heinous way of dealing with heinous crime than locking people up for the rest of their lives. the terror i'm not i'm not i'm not generally addressing christian audiences, i won't go into audiences, so i won't go into that. have a christian that. but i do have a christian reason for supporting but reason for supporting it. but no, the simple reason no, the simple practical reason is particularly is the deterrence, particularly of crime and of the of armed crime and of the carrying of weapons, guns and knives by criminals. there's evidence from the suspensions of the death penalty in this country before it was abolished, which suggests very strongly that it's effective in that way. it changes the behaviour of criminals the criminals and that is the biggest argument in its favour. yes. >> final word to you on this. >> final word to you on this. >> may deter career criminals >> it may deter career criminals who search one another who used to search one another before on robberies to who used to search one another beforesure on robberies to who used to search one another before sure they robberies to who used to search one another before sure they didn'tries to who used to search one another before sure they didn't have) make sure they didn't have lethal weapons. so that lethal weapons. that is so that they wouldn't incur the death

penalty. is true. the penalty. that is true. the nofion penalty. that is true. the notion would deterred notion it would have deterred lucy letby, think is a very lucy letby, i think is a very strange argue, although strange one to argue, although you weren't directly maintaining that come a long way from that we've come a long way from talking about lucy. hear talking about lucy. let me hear the traffic thing honestly, to my mind, couldn't be more irrelevant. it wasn't not the purpose of our transport system for a moment to kill people. and that's because you've that's only because you've mentioned it. michele these things talked things don't normally get talked about you're about on television, but you're in or unusual, i in the unlikely or unusual, i suppose, circumstance having suppose, circumstance of having two on panel who two christians on on a panel who couldn't reach more different perspectives. vengeance is mine. so if the lord is my perspective, but moreover, i can't understand why we would say the state should be taking lives in these circumstances to deter people . a whole life deter people. a whole life tariff will do that . tariff will do that. >> well, there you go. i shall leave it to you guys have the last thoughts on that home. last thoughts on that at home. a death penalty , yes or no? i say death penalty, yes or no? i say yes because i think that you should be punished, quite frankly. should spend frankly. and why should we spend a leaving you and a small fortune leaving you and keeping alive the keeping you alive in prison? the flaw in argument, though, flaw in my argument, though, sometimes i come sometimes when i come full circle mind, surely

circle in my own mind, surely it's not of a punishment, it's not much of a punishment, is it? you just take a quick injection, you're off the hook. that's that's end of that's it. that's the end of your a killer. maybe your torment as a killer. maybe if do have sit there in if you do have to sit there in an awful condition for years and years perhaps, years to come, perhaps, obviously condone obviously i wouldn't condone this, cell doors was this, but if cell doors was accidentally forgotten to be locked all the of it, locked and all the rest of it, maybe would be punishment maybe that would be punishment more. you me. was an more. you tell me. there was an intake breath. i have hold intake of breath. i have to hold his breath i'm going to intake of breath. i have to hold histo eath i'm going to intake of breath. i have to hold histo a|th i'm going to intake of breath. i have to hold histo a break. i'm going to intake of breath. i have to hold histo a break. when m going to intake of breath. i have to hold histo a break. when 11 going to intake of breath. i have to hold histo a break. when i come; to intake of breath. i have to hold histo a break. when i come back, go to a break. when i come back, i'll carry on with this story, though i think i've just upset peter last idea. i think peter with my last idea. i think it's great one. anyway want it's a great one. anyway i want to you as well, should we be to ask you as well, should we be forcing these criminals to sit in and hear their day in the dock and hear their day of judgement or not? and also, what we about the

radio. >> hi there, michelle dewberry with you till seven. the columnist for the mail on sunday, peter hitchens, and the pr consultant alex dean alongside me, someone who's asked to remain anonymous, says, i the mother a baby who

i am the mother of a baby who died of 14 weeks old because of mistakes made by medical professionals . our little boy professionals. our little boy should a half years should be two and a half years old and we're the middle old now, and we're in the middle of proceedings against the of legal proceedings against the hospital. say, you've hospital. they say, oh, you've chilled got my goose chilled me. i've got my goose bumps you will live with bumps. you say we will live with a life sentence because of what they did. we lost everything. and you take life, you and if you take a life, you should forfeit life. prison should forfeit your life. prison simply enough. you've simply isn't enough. you've given goosebumps, i am so given me goosebumps, and i am so sorry. you're probably sorry. and you're probably be familiar fact that too. familiar with the fact that too. l, familiar with the fact that too. i, a fellow indian moms. i, i'm a fellow indian moms. i really hear and understand what you're saying, george . i've got you're saying, george. i've got to say, george, you say , can i to say, george, you say, can i ask a question? am i the only person who feels slightly sorry for lucy letby you say in your view, she's clearly mentally disturbed, as evidenced by her notes, and i certainly wouldn't support the death sentence in her care. it's got to be honest, george. i think you might be in a minority of about there. a minority of about one there. don't think anyone feels sorry for lady, but maybe for this lady, but maybe i'm wrong. touch with me if wrong. get in touch with me if you and say that you you do and you say that you shouldn't, shouldn't face shouldn't, she shouldn't face the because you the death penalty because you feel for her. not

feel sorry for her. i'm not really sure that that's how it would you sorry for would work if you felt sorry for someone, all right. but someone, you're all right. but if do it, they go. if you do it, off they go. anyway, before the break, i'm very briefly, peter, i was saying that maybe punishment for lucy you go prison lucy letby is you go to prison and cell doors have and if cell doors have accidentally left locked, accidentally left and locked, then what can you do? then you know, what can you do? you had a massive sharp intake of breath. why >> think barbaric of breath. why >> hand think barbaric of breath. why >>hand onthink barbaric of breath. why >>hand on to 1k barbaric of breath. why >>hand on to convictedbaric to hand on to convicted prisoners the punishment of people who've convicted by people who've been convicted by the we have a the justice system. we have a justice system, system for justice system, not a system for terrorising people. do you know what prisoners do to other prisoners in prisons? >> well, i would hope it would be pretty barbaric. >> well, would hope. but >> well, you would hope. but again , what? what if you were again, what? what if you were wrong? we the reason we have a justice system is so that we don't have lynch law and mob rule and revenge. we have it precisely so that the justice system is stern enough and tough enough to prevent those things from developing. >> yeah, got to be honest. >> yeah, i got to be honest. i don't really care what happens to well, have to care. >> well, i do have to care. >>— >> well, i do have to care. >> then you get what you're given. quite frankly, if you ask

me. anyway, on that, we will agree to disagree. now, lucy letby, she couldn't even be bothered herself from bothered to get herself up from the cell into the dock the courtroom cell into the dock to the verdicts at to hear the verdicts levelled at her. people are saying that her. many people are saying that she be forced. she should be forced. i completely agree that yeah, you should frankly. should have been, quite frankly. but conversation, should have been, quite frankly. but do conversation, should have been, quite frankly. but do think conversation, should have been, quite frankly. but do think con'should n, should have been, quite frankly. but do think con'should have you do think she should have been, you do that? well, been, how do you do that? well, quite. been, how do you do that? well, quite mean, from time to time been, how do you do that? well, quitemean, from time to time i >> i mean, from time to time i had clients who would refuse to come for their sentences. it come for their sentences. as it happened my practise. they happened in my practise. they tended burly thugs who had tended to be burly thugs who had histories violence rather histories of violence rather than people like this who'd murdered children. but in any case, it was clear that in the examples i'm thinking of that the court staff were visibly relieved by the absence of my clients from the dock . hard clients from the dock. hard cases make bad law , and if you cases make bad law, and if you go around saying right, we're going to equip people to we're to they are to going demand that they are compelled into the dock. the question is then what are you going to you're to going the going to do? you're to going the it was supposedly in an that you were going to handcuff them. all right. when they fight and right. and when they fight and kick and bite, you're kick and scream and bite, you're to strap to a board,

to going strap them to a board, perhaps . and if you strap them perhaps. and if you strap them to board and now they're to a board and now they're screaming their out, screaming their lungs out, whether innocent or whether it be i'm innocent or you're liars or it you're all liars or you did it or i'm glad i killed your children. are you? then going to 939 children. are you? then going to gag them? and who's going to put the gag the mouth of the the gag on the mouth of the biting have, biting psychopath? you do have, i moment to i think, despair. a moment to think of the poor, low paid people who you're asking to undertake this of undertake this duty of compelling person compelling a violent person who's a whole life tariff who's facing a whole life tariff and has very little to and therefore has very little to lose from misbehaviour from going a compressed space. going into a compressed space. >> i've worked surprised you would think i've got i've thought this through in depth. i've got an answer as to how i would do it. but before i get it to please say what it is, i mean, i'm inclined to think that alex a point. alex has a point. >> mean, you tell me your idea. >> well, no, i don't really have a big intake of i don't mind. >> i don't really have an idea. i think it's. i had no idea until recently that it was possible someone go possible for someone not to go into dark for sentencing. into the dark for sentencing. it's surprises that it's surprises me that it's something can do . and the something you can do. and the reason i imagine why there's no

law that people do law saying that people should do it it's been assumed it is that it's been assumed that would. personally that they would. i personally think everybody in think that everybody involved in trials in court at all trials should be in court at all times during in which times during the trial in which they're part dislike these they're part i dislike these video links and all kinds of other ways of having trials at arm's length , and it seems to me arm's length, and it seems to me it be better. but on the it would be better. but on the other hand, alex's point about if really doesn't if somebody really doesn't want to in, is to put up a to come in, is going to put up a fight, you've you've got fight, you've got you've got a very task and it will look, very big task and it will look, i say, quite bad for i would say, quite bad for a justice system if people have to be court, strapped be hauled into court, strapped to gagged chained to boards and gagged and chained up. it doesn't up. it doesn't it doesn't increase ultimately respect for the justice system, which which you . she's going to you want to do. she's going to be facing the consequences. she is now facing the consequences of the verdict in her case in ways which are unimaginable to us. in ways which are unimaginable to us in any ways which are unimaginable to us. in any case, i think the whether or not she's in the dock at the time of sentencing is quite small compared with the things which she's now going to undergo. and if anybody feels they have the justice system hasn't their hasn't operated to their

satisfaction , they should satisfaction, then they should use imagination bit as satisfaction, then they should us watch imagination bit as satisfaction, then they should uswatch someoneion bit as satisfaction, then they should uswatch someone like bit as satisfaction, then they should uswatch someone like that as satisfaction, then they should us watch someone like that goes to watch someone like that goes through the hours and through in the in the hours and days after sentencing. >> well , what days after sentencing. >> well, what i would do a sitting comfortably. i don't think you'll appreciate it. as a legal professional . so first and legal professional. so first and foremost, i would change the constructs a dock so constructs of a dock so it wouldn't this open wouldn't just be this open space. would be a contained space. it would be a contained unit the person, but like unit of the person, but like a proper content, the two way, two way audio and visual. proper content, the two way, two way audio and visual . and what way audio and visual. and what i would do is the person, if they were refusing, if there was like a violent psychopath or whatever, then would have whatever, then they would have mild you'd be mild sedation. so you'd be mildly your mildly sedated in your cell. then would strapped to then you would be strapped to something. say, what something. when you say, what would look like when it comes would it look like when it comes to justice system, i think it'd look actually. it look pretty good, actually. it looked justice. rough looked like tough justice. rough justice. brought justice. you'd be brought to that in whatever that sealed dock in whatever vessel your chair, vessel it is in your chair, whatever. another. there's more. vessel it is in your chair, whatevemoreuther. there's more. vessel it is in your chair, whatevemore. so r. there's more. vessel it is in your chair, whatevemore. so thenzre's more. vessel it is in your chair, whatevemore. so then you more. vessel it is in your chair, whatevemore. so then you would there's more. so then you would have the piped into your have the audio piped into your little box so you would hear the family's statements. you'd have your down. so your arm strapped down. so you're your in you're not got your fingers in your got two way your ear. you've got two way privacy the has got privacy glass. the judge has got the so if you start

the buttons. so if you start mouthing off and all the rest of it, the judge immediately silences audio so silences your audio feed so the people you. if you people can't hear you. if you really control yourself really can't control yourself because want be because you just want to be ridiculous, then it was your privacy screen goes up so you can the people, the can sorry the people, then the victims cannot see you, but you can see them and you will can still see them and you will hear they have to to hear what they have to say to you will see the pain on you and you will see the pain on their face they will be their face and they will be protected from you. that's what i would make that i would do. i would make that person to bed that night and person go to bed that night and every night. listen to every other night. listen to what they done. every other night. listen to whtminus done. every other night. listen to whtminus the done. every other night. listen to whtminus the physical >> minus the physical restraints. did with restraints. and we did away with the stocks time ago and the stocks some time ago and minus sedation. we tend not minus the sedation. we tend not to into the docks. to send people into the docks. hi there a surprising amount hi there is a surprising amount quite quite a lot of us sedated to be like semi knocked out. it depends on what dose you're going give them. then the going to give them. and then the state's taking on the liability of accidentally killing somebody, to somebody, which takes us back to your before you'd be your point before which you'd be in of, but i wouldn't be. in favour of, but i wouldn't be. >> your verdict was on prisons. you inject people all time you inject people all the time with they perhaps with stuff that they perhaps don't receive. don't want to receive. >> you actually very >> well, you actually very rarely outside rarely medicate outside of a mental health order and

declaring sectioning somebody you medicate, you very rarely medicate, somebody so somebody against their will. so it's larger change to the law it's a larger change to the law than i think you realise you're proposing . but the other proposing. but the other measures you were talking about, there's a there's more sympathy for that than you might think . for that than you might think. robert buckland, the former lord chancellor had a set of suggestions i were very suggestions i thought were very sensible. into the doc sensible. it's not into the doc itself. if you refuse to come up from your cell once been from your cell once you've been delivered to court, you pipe in the remarks into the sentencing remarks into the cell and there's way of cell and there's no way of turning that audio and turning off that audio and potentially the video link potentially with the video link too. i agree with that and too. so i agree with that and i think that's sensible that the thing i take such issue with on purely practical terms, of course, i want the person concerned to be in the dock all things being equal, it's purely practical about you practical concerns about how you get the exposure get them there and the exposure you're people are you're giving to people who are tasked responsibility tasked with the responsibility of just make one of doing it. let's just make one point. you talk about this because of lucy letby and you wind people . wind up with big, burly people. the killers of lee rigby were they to compel into they tried to compel them into they tried to compel them into the they started the docks and they started a fight with guards, fight with the court guards, right. who are very often

retired policemen and say them in the prison cell. >> i've seen my programmes. you go in there, you've got your big shields, you ram them into the corner, get job done. corner, you get your job done. see later. next time you'll see you later. next time you'll be eyes, son, be opening your eyes, son, you're be in the dock . you're going to be in the dock. >> you think that's a good advertisement for the british justice think justice system? i think it's a fantastic advertisement the fantastic advertisement for the british system. british justice system. >> they behaved >> i think if they behaved a little more like that, little bit more like that, people might be less inclined to go around committing crimes people might be less inclined to go atheyi committing crimes people might be less inclined to go athey do.�*nmitting crimes people might be less inclined to go then do.�*nmitting crimes people might be less inclined to go then we.�*nmitting crimes people might be less inclined to go then we havetting crimes people might be less inclined to go then we have differentcrimes >> then we have different conceptions. the whole point of the justice to be dispassionate. >> it is to take the person who's accused of the crime to weigh against them, weigh the evidence against them, to guilty if they're to find them guilty, if they're guilty, if guilty, to equip them, if they're not, if they're found guilty, it's then to punish them according limited according to law by limited punishment, limitless punishment, not not limitless punishment. not insult them punishment. not to insult them or treat them barbarous, but to treat them as if we were civilised . even if even if not, civilised. even if even if not, we should not be sinking to the level of the people we're punishing and we should be very careful about trying to appeal basically to the to the crowd by

by adopting methods of this kind. >> well, you know what? what do you think to that? should we be civilised when others are not? perhaps you'll say absolutely yes . if you ask me, if you yes. if you ask me, if you torture kids, you murder kids. yeah. your human rights go out the thank you. the window. thank you. >> well. just imagine >> very well. just imagine yourself in yourself wrongly accused in front a court of the kind front of a court of the kind that you like. >> well, i hope i will never put you. >> of course you hope everybody hopes you wrong. hopes for you being wrong. >> it happens to people. >> it happens to people. >> that's point of being >> that's the point of being wrongly accused, wrongly accused. what do you think? going >> what do you think? i'm going to final word open to to throw the final word open to you. give thoughts. and you. give me your thoughts. and that's i'm going to pick up that's what i'm going to pick up on when we come back. your thoughts in response to what you've been hearing you've just been hearing discussed that warm feeling inside boilers proud inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors weather on . news evening. >> alex deakin here with your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. a mixture of sun and showers for many tomorrow. a little cooler generally to but in the south it will again very warm in the

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before your listening to news . radio >> hello, i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. the columnist for the mail on sunday, peter hitchens, alongside me as is the pr consultant and barrister. and i say that don't normally say say that i don't normally say that alex tonight that bit alex dean, but tonight i do think it's very relevant. that because for the first that part because for the first part of the programme, at least, we've discussing lucy letby we've been discussing lucy letby all goings on now whether or all the goings on now whether or not penalty should be not the death penalty should be reintroduced also as well reintroduced and also as well about, know , can you force

about, you know, can you force criminals, should you be able to force criminals to sit in the dock and hear their verdicts there, their day of reckoning , there, their day of reckoning, perhaps? and if so, how? lots of you guys getting in touch carol is saying, i'm really enjoying your panel. the two gents tonight loving your thoughts. nicholas says , michelle, you nicholas says, michelle, you need check where you have need to check where you have left only brain cell. it left your only brain cell. it says 2023. it is not 1523. nicholas, i've left my brain cell in the land of common sense. i highly recommend it that it's a fabulous place. i recommend it to you all. let's have a look. what's going on? george was saying about feeling slightly sorry for lucy letby . i slightly sorry for lucy letby. i think you're a little bit on your own there. as i said, you might be. but again, if you disagree, get in touch and let me know we're talking about whether or not you could force somebody face the day of somebody to face the day of reckoning. george am a reckoning. george says, i am a former prison officer, former prisoner prison officer, and with prisoners in and i've dealt with prisoners in cells refuse to to court cells who refuse to go to court . you a judge can do this . you say a judge can do this already, i.e. force them. you

get a phone call from the prison to the courts stating that prisoners decided to attend prisoners decided not to attend . then decides he . if the judge then decides he wants attend, wants that person to attend, a lawful order is given. if they refuse to, then control and refuse to, then go control and restraint force is used and the person is put in the van to go to court using force on prisoners as requested for this purpose is not a problem. he says. to carry out. in says. for staff to carry out. in this case, they would say that the judge is looking at the level this person level of threats to this person from and most judges, he from family and most judges, he says, simply not want the says, simply do not want the hassle . michael says not hassle. michael says not appearing for sentence should affect any future appeal. the system must not win. yes, but michael lucy letby, she's basically locked up. she's got a whole life order with no appeal. so she's gone. she's like, got infinity. >> she'll have an appeal ability to appeal. i'm not saying i thought she didn't. she'll be able appeal. i'm not saying able to appeal. i'm not saying she's going to succeed, but she can try to get parole, but she can't. >> she can't appeal against against both centres and verdict of course these things cut both ways because on the other hand ,

ways because on the other hand, whilst nobody's going to be suggesting that a whole life tariff lenient , suggesting that a whole life tariff lenient, she's tariff is unduly lenient, she's got the highest sentence. >> could get. the other >> she could get. on the other hand , the crown is entitled to hand, the crown is entitled to have a second go on the counts that the jury didn't make a decision on. and if a jury can't decide normally the prosecution will go a second time. so there are a number of other counts that she may face a retrial on. and there are also counts which she charged with she hasn't been charged with yet. so we'll see yet. allegedly so we'll see about two. about those two. >> says in america, murder >> some says in america, murder is brought to court with both hands their feet shackled. hands and their feet shackled. why in this why are we so soft in this country? peter hitchens would say perhaps are better . say that we perhaps are better. we've the right way we've got it the right way around it comes to this around when it comes to this situation as opposed to america, pamela completely agree situation as opposed to america, pam

little action taken. people saying let's involve the police. no, we don't to involve the no, we don't want to involve the police. you don't want blue tape all over your unit and so on and so forth. letby left in so forth. lucy letby left in perth a very time and perth for a very long time and perhaps shouldn't have been. perhaps she shouldn't have been. what's happen? there's what's going to happen? there's lots an inquiry lots of talk about an inquiry and that would take and what form that would take criminal prosecutions though for the wrong in the the people that did wrong in the nhs. or not? the people that did wrong in the nhffirst or not? the people that did wrong in the nhffirst of or not? the people that did wrong in the nhffirst of all,yr not? the people that did wrong in the nhffirst of all, forot? the people that did wrong in the nhffirst of all, for your caller >> first of all, for your caller or emailer, i must say i or your emailer, i must say i think peter thinks that two wrongs do make a right because of course he was pointing out that we bombed serbia and therefore death in therefore the death penalty in this was using his this country was okay. using his logic the state no state logic was the state no state killing a to the state killing option a to the state would able to kill an option would be able to kill an option b, which is what you said or what b, which is what you said or thwell, certainly what you said >> well, certainly what you said then, you obviously misheard it. >> think you'll note i did >> i think you'll note i did not. again which is that the liberal persons were who liberal minded persons were who who against the who claimed to be against the death because innocent death penalty because innocent people result people might die as a result supported of serbia supported the bombing of serbia in which innocent people inevitably but two wrongs make inevitably but two wrongs make inevitably and predictably died

i >> right. but to make a right point was about their inconsistency, not about my consistency. >> my point is about the nhs management. none of us will be here all day. >> wrongs make a right in >> two wrongs make a right in the nhs. plainly, there were many and i find it many faults here and i find it almost inconceivable that criminal won't criminal prosecutions won't follow to more individuals than just single person. and just this single person. and a corporate negligence is a further step that i think is likely. one interesting wrinkle that's been under—reported in my view so far is the ability of nhs trusts to recall pensions wholly or in part for those who are adjudged to have drawn the work of the nhs and its activity properly into disrepute. well, what more than killing babies on a pretty systemic basis might be suggested to be more bringing a health care system into disrepute . i find it difficult disrepute. i find it difficult to envisage something, especially given that the whistleblowers concerned weren't just not heeded or listen to. at one point they were forced to apologise to this nurse who's now been convicted of serial and

in some cases a ten mediation. yes. so in my view, it's extremely likely that they will they will face some other system. but i just want to make one other point. i'm where i've gone on a bit, so i just say it seems very likely to me this is going to wind up being a statutory inquiry. it seems very likely to me this is going to be a judge led statutory inquiry and the sooner the government comes that, i think and the sooner the government conbetter. that, i think and the sooner the government conbetter. peter that, i think and the sooner the government con better. peter well, i think and the sooner the government con better. peter well, i don't the better. peter well, i don't really know what to say. >> the national health service is subject incessant is subject to incessant inquiries, which come inquiries, many of which come out with excoriating verdicts and me to and does not seem to me to improve of any of improve as a result of any of this. i'm not particularly this. so i'm not particularly keen on demanding of keen on, on demanding more of them. i think we might draw the lesson the nhs it's currently lesson the nhs as it's currently structured, not perhaps structured, is not perhaps the best organising best way of organising a national service at national health service free at the view. so we might the point of view. so we might think different of doing think of different ways of doing it, pursuing these things, it, but pursuing these things, particularly it, but pursuing these things, particulacourts or the police, criminal courts or the police, seems me to a mistaken use seems to me to be a mistaken use of the law. in any case. >> well, there you go. you let me know your thoughts on all of that home. wants me to be

that at home. ian wants me to be more sensible. he's saying that i am doing a disservice to law and measured justice. he says i'm mentality i'm encouraging a mob mentality with . how might you get with my views. how might you get in touch? you tell me? yes, in touch? and you tell me? yes, peter thinks am right. i peter thinks i am right. i think, oh, he thinks i am as well. anyone else? anyone else? i think i'm pretty sensible. quite anyway, quite frankly. anyway, look, i've really interesting i've got really interesting topic. i want to come to you after break. why is it okay after the break. why is it okay to constantly pick fire at white people? you tell me

hello there, michelle dewberry with you. tall 7:00 tonight alongside me still alex, dean and peter hitchens. we've been getting stuck into the topic of lucy letby , but i will move on lucy letby, but i will move on in a second. mike says, i agree with peter hitchens on everything even he's saying about your transport policy. killing people is agrees with you on that danny fellow . danny you on that danny fellow. danny says, what a clash of intellectual heavyweights tonight. says the show has tonight. he says the show has

been absolutely fantastic . if been absolutely fantastic. if i had a pound for all of you that's written in saying you completely disagree with me, then i would be be able to then i would be i'd be able to retire, i think, end of retire, i think, by the end of this programme. where is mum? this programme. where is my mum? everyone's saying that they disagree have disagree with me. mother, have you merlin and you you watching merlin and say you agree please. agree with me? please. thank you. anyway, let's move on, shall we? because i'll tell you something. me something. it really annoyed me this weekend. it might have annoyed you saw it. annoyed you too, if you saw it. the course. good the lionesses, of course. good on brilliant game. on you. brilliant game. unfortunately, win . unfortunately, we didn't win. what's love, though? what's not to love, though? all these they're of these girls, they're top of their out the their games. smashing it out the park. models everyone park. role models to everyone but can't but but people can't help but complain . complain. >> listen, the only thing i would say about this picture here, jumps out of you is here, what jumps out of you is that this doesn't sort of represent diverse britain . it's represent diverse britain. it's all these blonde , blue eyed all these blonde, blue eyed girls. and, you know, i wish them well, but i do think we need to ask ourselves question about why is it that we've got it's so it has a lack of diversity . diversity. >> all right. really annoyed me, not least, by the way, because

one of those girls on that picture, i'm sure she was mixed race. my eyes do not deceive race. if my eyes do not deceive me anyway, it got me thinking right. i cannot imagine a scenario. because you also had sadiq office. there were sadiq khan's office. there were under this weekend under fire as well this weekend because picture of because they had a picture of a white under one of white family and under one of their style and brand guards, basically they had a head in which represent which says does not represent a real london family. i do not believe alex dean , that you believe alex dean, that you would be able to say this about any other collection of societies . i think if i can just societies. i think if i can just bnng societies. i think if i can just bring a graphic up, i've got the team gb, one of the relay teams. can i get this graphic up? you've got can i get this graphic? yeah there you go. so you've got four ladies there representing team gb. very athletic ladies, all black. you would never be able to look at that picture and say, brilliant team. but they've all got brown hair and brown eyes. that doesn't really represent britain . a role model to my . it's not a role model to my children. never rightly be children. you'd never rightly be able you'd write me able to say you'd never write me be to say that. so why can be able to say that. so why can you it in this context?

you say it in this context? >> thought they were >> i thought that they were disappointing and quite bizarre comments our football comments about our football team because i think people should be selected merit . i because i think people should be selected merit. i look because i think people should be selected merit . i look at the selected on merit. i look at the success of our athletes at the world i'm world championships and i'm really our british really proud of our british athletes doing the fact athletes doing well and the fact that happen to be black. that they happen to be black. i couldn't care less about equally, couldn't care less about the fact that our women's football team happened largely to be white and it's very peculiar. people don't tend to look at the japanese rugby team and say, you know, why are they all japanese? so i just i just think it's absolutely peculiar that people take this perspective on the american thing . of course, on the one thing. of course, on the one hand, you've got to be fair. sadiq khan didn't say that, right? it was someone in his office that said this and put it. these are not not real londoners. but of course, on the other hand, after two terms, he's been in for some time, he has built a system in which that is the that's the value or that's the approach for which you rewarded your job.

you are rewarded in yourjob. >> peter, when i was in the 1960s and i was on the left in the 1960s and the best thing about the left in the 1960s was its absolute opposition to racial discrimination on what we in those days called racialism. i taking part in i was taking part in demonstrations and pickets against it and instances of it. in 1968 and what we believed very strongly was what martin luther king had said was that somebody should be judged not by the colour of his skin, by the colour of his skin, but by the colour of his skin, but by the content his character. the content of his character. and believe that since. and i believe that ever since. and i believe that ever since. and was very and i thought it was very sensible approach that we should not care every time anybody raises. white people raises. so how many white people this, many black people, raises. so how many white people this,i many black people, raises. so how many white people this,i say many black people, raises. so how many white people this,i say honestly, ck people, raises. so how many white people this,i say honestly, can eople, raises. so how many white people this,i say honestly, can we le, this i say honestly, can we please stop referring even to the colour of people's skin? we know not important. know that it's not important. it's not what's important about them. important about it it's not what's important about th the important about it it's not what's important about ththe contentimportant about it it's not what's important about th the content of)ortant about it it's not what's important about th the content of their|t about it is the content of their characters . and i'm sick of it. characters. and i'm sick of it. and thing that happened in and the thing that happened in this country, in actually in the early part of the 21st century, particularly after the macpherson report was that the left, which i no longer belong to now, began to take a different view. it started to

actually begin to say that it didn't want the colourblindness, which we fought for in the which we had fought for in the 1960s, specifically in the macpherson report on on the stephen lawrence murder. so specifically it calls for the end of colour—blind policing. now, i think actually myself colour—blind policing would be a very good thing and colour—blind everything else too . i don't everything else too. i don't want people being in any way. i don't want quotas of any kind. that's right. the whole business of bothering about the colour of people's skin is over and should be finished. it's from the childhood of , of be finished. it's from the childhood of, of our of our civilisation. and it's time we stopped doing it doesn't matter which way it goes. >> i'm 60s from you. >> i'm 60s from you. >> tell you why. that's right. we've spent decades telling people that doesn't matter people that it doesn't matter whether you're or white. whether you're black or white. doesn't whether you're doesn't matter whether you're born a boy or a girl. you can you can do if you work hard enough and you have the right values, then you can achieve great things. and for the first time, we've decided to go back on those say, that's on those values and say, that's

wrong. matter what wrong. it does matter what colour skin is, it does colour your skin is, it does matter whether you have privilege or not. and you can never escape it. you'll always be judged for it. it's not progress. just trying progress. well just stop trying to us. to divide us. >> what said. a lot of >> that's what i said. a lot of people that that they're people that said that they're anti—racist, ask me, anti—racist, if you ask me, they're some of the biggest racists that actually go. my final thought is if you final thought on that is if you are a parent that teaches their children, achieve children, they can only achieve something else that something if somebody else that looks them done the looks like them has done the same. think, quite frankly, same. i think, quite frankly, you up your parenting you need to up your parenting skills. anyway. skills. if you ask me. anyway. look, flies. people are look, time flies. people are still about everything still outraged about everything that earlier someone that i said earlier on someone on twitter. i've forgotten your name. that the name. you're saying that the intelligent society intelligent among society disagree death penalty. disagree with the death penalty. those are those that agree with it are lacking intellect . say you're lacking intellect. i say you're a well i would urge them a snob. well i would urge them all to read my article. >> question q&a on the death penalty. >> read his article. peter. alex, that's all i've got time for. god only knows where nigel farage but hopefully he's in farage is, but hopefully he's in his and ready to see his chair and ready to go. see you tomorrow . you tomorrow. >> the temperatures rising . boxt >> the temperatures rising. boxt solar proud sponsors of weather

on gb news . solar proud sponsors of weather on gb news. evening. >> alex deacon here with your latest weather update from the met office for gb news a mixture of sun and showers for many tomorrow. a little cooler generally to but in the south it will again be very warm in the sunshine thanks to this area of high pressure. but it's being pushed by low pressure. pushed away by low pressure. this becoming the dominant this is becoming the dominant feature it's making for a very wet evening across western scotland . quite blustery scotland. quite blustery as well. rain will trickle well. that rain will trickle southwards. a few this southwards. a few showers this evening wales northern evening for wales and northern england, 1 2 heavy ones, but england, 1 or 2 heavy ones, but they tend to fade then much they tend to fade and then much of south will have a dry of the south will have a dry night with clear spells, maybe some and fog patches pretty some mist and fog patches pretty much to much everywhere. it's going to be night and a mild start be a mild night and a mild start to tuesday, quite windy to tuesday, but quite windy across north early on with across the north early on with cloud now outbreaks rain cloud now outbreaks of rain across england, north across northern england, north wales, northern wales, scotland and northern ireland. the winds will steadily ease and the rain will to break up leave just a few showers really from late morning onwards. not many of those showers though, from the midlands southwards are most here sunny

here staying dry with the sunny spells coming through across southern england, quite southern england, really quite warm maybe 27 celsius warm again, 26, maybe 27 celsius elsewhere, temperatures closer to the low 20 and feeling fresher with that breeze, although that wind will continue to ease light winds again on wednesday . so to ease light winds again on wednesday. so again, to ease light winds again on wednesday . so again, maybe to ease light winds again on wednesday. so again, maybe some mist and fog early on. a few more showers on wednesday . in more showers on wednesday. in the northwest, the threat of the far northwest, the threat of 1 or for west wales and 1 or 2 for west wales and southwest england. again, southwest england. but again, many places will be on many places will be dry on wednesday with some sunny spells feeling a bit warmer across northern again in northern england and again in the south we could see 27 degrees. the temperature is rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on .

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astonishingly awful lucy, let me case makes me ask the question . case makes me ask the question. >> are managers ruining the nhs given that they overruled the hospital consultants? we'll talk about the channel crossings today. i think we're on course for a record week of young men crossing the english channel. and i'm going to talk to eric trump, son of donald trump, about the big republican debate taking place in milwaukee this week. and why donald trump won't be there. but before all of that, live from new york, let's get the news with tatiana sanchez. >> nigel, thank you very much. and good evening. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. the parents of two triplet boys murdered by lucy letby on successive days have said the nurses destroyed their lives. the ordered that she be the judge ordered that she be sent a transcript of his sentencing and copies of sentencing remarks and copies of the statements read aloud by families of her victims. it comes after the most prolific child serial killer in modern

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