putting workers on boards about putting workers on boards as well to help decide the remuneration of the top bosses. would you support that or not.7 and you know what.7 this situation, when it comes to lucy letby, we've discussed it at length , but there's something length, but there's something that's left a really bitter taste in my mouth and it was the quotes from one of the doctors who said to lucy letby that she is one of the few nurses that he would trust with his own kids , would trust with his own kids, and that has set alarm bells in my ear because surely all nurses, all doctors, we should be able to leave our own children with, shouldn't we.7 and children with, shouldn't we? and it got me also then thinking we all have to worship at the altar of the nhs. are we viewing this though, with rose tinted glasses? is the nhs as amazing as we all seem to want to say it is? your thoughts on that and is it time now to stop apologising for slavery? surely surely it is , isn't it? you tell me . and the , isn't it? you tell me. and the advertising boycott of gb news

continues. you might have noficed continues. you might have noticed i'll be talking about exactly what is going on and why . a group of mps now have written to rishi sunak all about an advertising network that is trying to organise boycotts, essentially of media that dares to be who perhaps to the right of the political centre. is that fair or not? we've got it all to come your way with ben habib and joe phillips. but before we get into it, let's bring ourselves up to speed with tonight's latest headlines . latest headlines. >> i'm rhiannon jones in the gb newsroom . a former met police newsroom. a former met police officer has been jailed for 16 years for raping a 16 year old girl and a female. police officer. adam provan raped a colleague six times and terrorised her so she feared for her life . over a three year her life. over a three year period, he also raped a teenager twice in 2010, prosecutors said the 44 year old was obsessed

with young women and viewed teenage and collected more than 700 female contact in his phone. lauren taylor was a child when he raped her. now 29, she waved her anonymity to speak out against his crimes. i was 22 when i finally reported it, and i think being a victim of this kind of crime, i feel like sometimes, you know , you don't sometimes, you know, you don't really know yourself what you've been through. >> i don't think i went home and i don't think it was until the year after it happened that i told someone about it and they told someone about it and they told me, you know, it was rape. i obviously was really upset, telling them and sharing it, but i don't think i'd ever really fully understood what happened to . to me. >> judges will be given new powers to force convicted prisoners to hear their sentencing . gb news can reveal sentencing. gb news can reveal the government's introduce new measures to stop criminals like lucy letby from refusing to go

to court . yesterday, the serial to court. yesterday, the serial baby killer didn't have to listen to impact statements from her victim's parents. prison officers will also be able to use reasonable force to make them attend, including handcuffing them. the plans will be unveiled in the king's speech in november . be unveiled in the king's speech in november. there are warnings the uk's migrant crisis is likely to be significantly worse by the next general election. think tank the institute for pubuc think tank the institute for public policy research says any incoming government faces a perma backlog of thousands of new asylum seekers needing long term accommodation and support. research has warned the annual housing costs for the backlog could soar to over £5 billion after five years. elsewhere 18 bodies have been recovered in greece as wildfires continue due to burn in the north of the country. local media is reporting the victims are thought to be migrants . the thought to be migrants. the regions a popular route for crossings from turkey. fire

fighters have also been battling blazes in spain, italy and portugal as a heatwave continues to hit southern europe . to hit southern europe. pakistan's military has confirmed five children trapped in a cable car have now been rescued. earlier the army was forced to abandon efforts to save them by helicopter because of poor light. the ground rescue is ongoing with two children and a teacher yet to be pulled to safety. they were travelling to school when a cable snapped this morning, leaving them suspended at 900ft in the air. the chair of the northern ireland policing board says an independent review has been commissioned following the recent data breaches. the details of serving officers and psni staff were published online by mistake earlier this month. a number of other data breaches have since come to light, including the loss of a police officer's laptop and notebook. the board's chair , deirdre the board's chair, deirdre tonen the board's chair, deirdre toner, says steps are being

taken to help rebuild trust. >> an independently led end to end review process , a review of end review process, a review of the circumstance surrounding the data breach incident of the 8th of august and others, has been commissioned in order to provide confidence to psni officers and staff and assurance to the wider pubuc staff and assurance to the wider public that the underlying causes of the breach have been identified and addressed . identified and addressed. >> top private school eton is to open three free sixth form colleges to help disadvantaged aged communities. they'll be set up in dudley, middlesbrough and oldham . it's after the oldham. it's after the department for education approved 15 new free schools across the country where results are weakest . the across the country where results are weakest. the number of artefacts stolen from the british museum is now thought to be closer to 2000, with the missing pieces believed to be worth millions of pounds. last week, the museum reported that items from its collection had disappeared and confirmed that a member of staff had been sacked. an expert reportedly told the

museum. a roman object valued at up to £50,000 was being offered on ebay for £40. three years ago. police are investigating, but so far no arrests have been made and fans are hoping to welcome home the lioness . others welcome home the lioness. others have been left disappointed at heathrow airport early this morning. some had waited overnight to greet the players after their impressive world cup performance. armed with their flags and banners, they later learned the team had left via a private exit. just after 6:30 am. understandable plea. they a.m. understandable plea. they weren't happy about it. >> it's absolutely gutted us. you know, we came to here give them the hero's welcome. >> devastated . because i, like, >> devastated. because i, like, wanted she like mary or like millie bright because they've done extremely well in the world cup. we didn't realise how many fans, but yeah, we just expected them to come through. just cheer for them. just them like for them. just show them like how we are of them. so

how proud we are of them. so yeah, it's disappointing. >> disappointing indeed . this is >> disappointing indeed. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by simply saying play gb now , though, saying play gb news now, though, it's . michelle thanks it's back to. michelle thanks for that. >> yes, i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me, i've got the ceo of first property group and former brexit party mep ben habib qatar. not call you the housewives favourites aka i can't do that. i can't. not call you that, can i? when you're on it. you knew we should have that under the screen. on the screen it should be ben habib, housewives favourite . then housewives favourite. and then i always when i say always then feel bad when i say all about him. and then all that about him. and then i 90, all that about him. and then i go, oh, andre phillips, i know there's probably somebody out there's probably somebody out there likes you're there that likes maybe you're there that likes maybe you're the favourite. the house husband favourite. >> stick . you might i >> i'll stick. you might be. i might well, let's see. might be. well, let's see. somebody in say somebody might come in and say something you something nice about me. you never know. >> or you could be the >> yeah. or you could be the housewives favourite as well. in this and age, modern

this day and age, modern progressive that we progressive day and age that we live i think housewives is live in, i think housewives is the bit that's a bit antediluvian, isn't it? >> i know. >> yeah, i don't know. >> yeah, i don't know. >> i mean, a lot of people would say if you call someone a housewife, that insult. housewife, that is an insult. whereas actually i would say that that is one of the most difficult land. difficult jobs in the land. >> actually, i think there are very few people who've got the luxury of not going to not having go work. having to go to work. >> very anyway, that was >> very true. anyway, that was a random and just random tangent and i'm just going quickly, it's all going to very quickly, it's all about and going very about ben and i'm going to very quickly didn't know quickly discourse didn't know i'm going to go on a different random tangent well. i'm not random tangent as well. i'm not supposed talking supposed to be talking about this the this tonight, but it was the last story in the news, last story then in the news, which was the lionesses. so they've just returned. then back to country those to this country and all those people lined up people who've just seen lined up there wanting to give them, they say the hero's welcome. and they essentially the back essentially went out the back doon do essentially went out the back door. do you to that? door. what do you think to that? well don't know the detail of well i don't know the detail of why went out of the back why they went out of the back doon >> can't. does it matter? >> i can't. does it matter? >> i can't. does it matter? >> the reason matter? >> does the reason matter? >> does the reason matter? >> mean, not >> no, no. i mean, not particularly. i mean, i probably would gone out back would have gone out the back doon have would have gone out the back door. have been shy.

door. i would have been shy. i would have wanted just go would have wanted to just go home, know? sorry what do home, you know? sorry what do you think? home, you know? sorry what do you tthink it's disappointing >> i think it's disappointing for handful people who for the handful of people who chose own volition to chose of their own volition to get up in the early hours of the morning go and sit there on morning and go and sit there on the chance. i think, you the off chance. but i think, you know, lionesses are their know, the lionesses are their own it's entirely up to own women. it's entirely up to them do. wasn't an them what they do. it wasn't an organised thing. there will be organised thing. there will be organised where people organised events where people can them and the i mean the can see them and the i mean the response that was coming in to patrick from men in patrick from all, from men in interesting, you know, they've completely undone all the good they've the good. no they they've lost the good. no they haven't, they were probably completely well i'm completely knackered. well i'm not man and i think it was not a man and i think it was really poor form actually. >> think . yeah, i do. i think >> i think. yeah, i do. i think you're nothing without your fans. actually you see all fans. and actually you see all these male footballers and i don't like it when they do it. you see all these little kids and they're. they're outside the hotels see these hotels and then you see these male footballers to those male footballers who to those children, like mega children, they are like mega stars. that. stars. oh, i agree with that. and just walk straight past and they just walk straight past them and get that's really obvious. >> w-a w“ >> you know, they're at a match and walking past to go and they're walking past to go to i mean, you know,

to the tunnel. i mean, you know, maybe whoever organising the maybe whoever was organising the departure the disembarked of departure or the disembarked of the there departure or the disembarked of the people, there departure or the disembarked of the people, know, there departure or the disembarked of the people, know, yowere departure or the disembarked of the people, know, you will were people, you know, you will know that. >> well, there only >> well, there were only a handful them. yeah but you handful of them. yeah but you see, think i think it see, i think anyway, i think it was a bit of a pr fail on the part of those ladies and i hope that that's not the route they are going to go down. they've inspired. young inspired. so many people, young and old. there's this big kind of, know, level of energy of, you know, level of energy and interest you have and interest around all you have to i know you're tired. to do. i know you're tired. i get it. you just walk through the shake hands, have the door, shake some hands, have a get a few pictures and get celebrated. i don't know. >> get shirts made with >> get some t shirts made with their names on. >> well, everyone was telling me i was wrong night, so maybe i was wrong last night, so maybe everyone i'm again everyone thinks i'm wrong again tonight. just got out everyone thinks i'm wrong again t0|bed:. just got out everyone thinks i'm wrong again t0|bed the just got out everyone thinks i'm wrong again t0|bed the wrong just got out everyone thinks i'm wrong again t0|bed the wrong side st got out everyone thinks i'm wrong again t0|bed the wrong side this»t out of bed the wrong side this weekend. i don't know. you get in touch with me. tell me your thoughts the topics i've thoughts on all the topics i've got coming. your tonight. i got coming. your way tonight. i want talk to you about the want to talk to you about the nhs moments. are we nhs in a few moments. are we putting on pedestal with putting it on a pedestal with church services and all the rest of it? but is it a pedestal that perhaps not worthy i perhaps it's not worthy of? i also want to ask you, do we need

to apologising for slavery? to stop apologising for slavery? is move forward now? is it time we move forward now? look of looking look forward instead of looking back going with back and what's going on with this boycott of advertisers when it comes this and it comes to this channel and others are the others that perhaps are not the left of the political landscape? we're going to get into of we're going to get into all of that and more. vaiews@gbnews.com that and more. vaie'me'gbnews.com that and more. vaie'me tonight.com that and more. vaie'me tonight orm that and more. vaie'me tonight or you can reach me tonight or you can tweet me at gb news. but one of the top stories today, bosses at britain's biggest companies, they about 180 times more they earn about 180 times more than a typical uk worker. and now what's happened is that looking at the ftse 100 bosses, they've had pay rises on average burn of about 16. so a lot of people are now coming out saying this is basically all wrong. you need to have more pay equality. perhaps you need to put workers on all the rest of on boards and all the rest of it. do you stand? it. where do you stand? >> well, nothing new >> well, there's nothing new about ftse 100 ceos being overpaid . it's an issue i've had overpaid. it's an issue i've had all my adult life, actually. >> you know, we've been massively overpaid. >> well, the ftse, the ftse , >> well, the ftse, the ftse, i've had an issue the ftse. i've had an issue with the ftse. >> worse problems . ben, come >> one worse problems. ben, come on. sorry . on. i'm sorry. >> i've had issues with the ftse

100 ceos because when you when you run a company which is in the ftse 100, you're running a massive company, a company which has a kind of path on which it will go. i'm not saying the ceos don't influence it, but it's a path that is governed by lots of different directors, lots of different directors, lots of different departments, and it's a powerhouse. and in my experience over the 30 odd years, i've been in business, these people, the ceos, add very little value and often fail and they get paid to fail. little value and often fail and they get paid to fail . they have they get paid to fail. they have fantastic contracts , they get fantastic contracts, they get gold and they get golden handshakes on the way in. golden parachutes on the way out, and then they go and find another unsuspecting ftse 100 company on which to perpetrate their failed governance . so i'm not a fan of governance. so i'm not a fan of ftse 100 company ceo . and this ftse 100 company ceo. and this is a statistic from those ceos . is a statistic from those ceos. the argument they would make is obviously that they believe in themselves and that they wouldn't come to this country and run these companies if they weren't paid well. but there's a

flip to that, and it's this flip side to that, and it's this it's that we are completely overtaxed. if we want to stop the brain drain, if we want to attract people into the country, it's not just a matter of paying them properly. it's a matter of ensuring that once they've been paid, they retain what it is that they've earned and that appues that they've earned and that applies equally to ftse 100 ceos, as it does to any other ceo, any other director, any other manager, any other worker in any other part of the economy. and i'm digressing, but it's a really important point. last year we lost half a million british citizens , young british british citizens, young british citizens, leaving the country. we took in a million foreigners. we took in a million foreigners. we had net inward migration of 600,000. and the people that left left because they aspira nafion left left because they aspira nation is being killed in this country. that doesn't come by overpaying people. you create aspiration by allowing them to keep more of what they earn and we've got to go back to that. so i would have rather have seen

50, 100 company ceos have their tax rate cut, but not get the kind of promotion the increment in salary. >> well, if anyone is out there aspiring to be a ftse 100 boss, the probably sitting there now crying because ben is basically saying that a lot of them are rubbish and not worth the cash anyway. but joe, your thoughts? >> well, agree >> well, i agree with ben. i mean, these figures are absolutely eye—watering the highest paid in this list is sir pascal soriot , who's the boss of pascal soriot, who's the boss of astrazeneca , £15.3 million astrazeneca, £15.3 million a year now . i mean, that is just year now. i mean, that is just beyond any of our imaginations . beyond any of our imaginations. >> and the drive for astrazeneca comes from its research department. precisely not the ceo. >> no, exactly. and i think, you know, ben is absolutely right. ceo is in most companies are a figurehead that does nothing . figurehead that does nothing. but it is the reward for failure . and i'm not for one minute saying that astrazeneca is a failing company. but when you look the salaries much lower look at the salaries much lower than these, but of the water company executives, for instance, who are pumping

absolute crap literally into our seas and rivers who are rewarded for failure and it's this convolute thing of the salary, the shares , the pensions, the, the shares, the pensions, the, you know, the credits and everything. what's interesting is that the gap between the median pay, which is around £33,000 a year, is 118 times to the top earners. that's way up on 2021 when it was 84 times the difference. so the gap between has got bigger and i think, you know, why are we paying people who are just figureheads? there's a there's a huge difference. if you take somebody like james or richard like james dyson or richard branson or those people who have started something, built it up, created it, you know, maybe they don't have the same day to day, but it's very much their image. >> i mean, ftse 100, just to be clear, ftse 100 ceos are a particular class of their own. yeah and i'm talking about that class of ceo when i'm slightly disparaging about them. >> yeah . and i would, you know,

>> yeah. and i would, you know, i'm going to come out on the side of the ceos. i've got to say. i know because you surprised me. i thought you'd be on the of big business and on the side of big business and all the rest of it. >> i'm not on the side of big business. i'm on the side of small business. disrupt those businesses to grow. businesses that wish to grow. entrepreneur want entrepreneur years. i want people aspiration, people to have aspiration, ambition and desire to get on in life. but the ftse 100 as well is a key component, isn't it, in terms of, i don't know, people's pension portfolios all the pension portfolios and all the rest of it. >> a lot of people's pensions will be invested in the ftse. 100 as example. so all of us 100 as an example. so all of us collectively, you need those companies prosper in companies to grow and prosper in order for you to have a nice time when reach retirement. time when you reach retirement. >> except some of might be >> except some of us might be thinking, actually, i don't agree person getting agree with that person getting that money, but it's a that much money, but it's a competitive market isn't competitive market though, isn't it? ultimately, companies that. >> well, that's the point i'm making. >> but that's a different conversation. that about conversation. and that is about how incentivising how are you incentivising people? are contracts people? what are the contracts that place? that you're putting in place? but to be a of but ultimately to be a ceo of a ftse 100 company, you're going

to have to sacrifice huge amounts of your life. you're going to have to be on a very kind of focussed lockdown own path where literally your career is absolutely everything to you. you mentioned people like branson and things like that who i admire hugely, but being an entrepreneur and starting something a very something that's a very different skill set to a different skill set to being a ceo and taking a going concern and and and continuing growing and developing that. >> i think that was i'm >> but i think that was i'm doing good job, by the way. doing a good job, by the way. >> but think i think that the >> but i think i think that the fact see, i think fact now, you see, i think that's point that that's exactly the point that ben that they're not ben was making, that they're not people who've come in with imagination are driving it forward. >> simply figureheads >> they are simply figureheads who turn at meetings who turn up at board meetings because real work because the real work astrazeneca, for instance, it's about research, it's about science, it's not about hang on. >> but who defines that? who defines that direction of travel? then you're saying it's about. they're about. i'm not saying they're without purpose. >> they're >> i'm not saying they're without they're not without purpose, but they're not the important. the most important. >> the company exist >> the company would exist without company without them. yeah. my company wouldn't ceo. wouldn't exist without a ceo. >> my empirical evidence >> now, my empirical evidence is. because this is

>> now, my empirical evidence isvery because this is >> now, my empirical evidence isvery importantecause this is >> now, my empirical evidence isvery important point. this is >> now, my empirical evidence isvery important point. she, s a very important point. she, joe, is saying that a company would exist. yeah, joe saying would exist. yeah, joe is saying i quoted joe is saying i quoted myself. joe is saying that a company would exist without a that's nonsense. without a ceo. that's nonsense. how organisation, how can a massive organisation, in an international in some cases an international organisation thousands of organisation with thousands of employees telling employees, how are you telling me that can exist without me that that can exist without a ceo? well, a ceo that doesn't need paid this much money need to be paid this much money for sure. well, if i was a ceo trying to get every single penny i to wouldn't you? i want to get, wouldn't you? >> just want to reiterate. so >> i just want to reiterate. so my target is ceos ftse my target is the ceos of ftse 100 ceos. 100 companies, not ceos. >> look at them, backtracking now, backtracking. now, not backtracking. >> about this >> we are talking about this really? this these are really? you know, this these are like know, the lionel like the you know, the lionel messi's of business, aren't they 7 messi's of business, aren't they ? they're up there in the stratosphere, by the way. >> good on them. if you've dedicated yourself to getting to the your business game , the top of your business game, then fair play to you, don't you deserve the don't you deserve the spoils? don't you deserve the spoils? don't you deserve it all? >> but i don't think they i don't they're at the top don't think they're at the top of their game. >> do do you work for >> well, do you do you work for one of these other out there? >> do you work for one of these ftse companies? do you sit there

and look at your ceo, misty eyed thinking, if only i could be as good them? or do you sit good as them? or do you sit there thinking how on god's green person green earth has that person got the know. you get the job? i don't know. you get in and you tell me. gb in touch and you tell me. gb views at gb news vaiews@gbnews.uk. com is how you of me tonight. or you get hold of me tonight. or you get hold of me tonight. or you can tweet me at gb news. a question for you to ponder, if you will. nhs , we've all you will. the nhs, we've all kind of put it this pedestal kind of put it on this pedestal . heaven anyone that has . heaven forbid anyone that has the to criticise it. do the audacity to criticise it. do you think though, that we're perhaps it through perhaps looking at it through rose tinted glasses? you tell me

radio. >> hello there, michelle dewberry seven alongside the ceo of first property group and former brexit party mep ben habib, and political commentator joe phillips. the reason that we're laughing is because we've just been talking about ceos, and then i'm introducing ben as one john says, i don't mind ceos getting salaries and bonuses getting big salaries and bonuses , but should be passing , but they should be passing more of this down to the shop

floor. workers he says. i have to on in—work benefits and to rely on in—work benefits and i want to , he says. i don't want to, he says. i basically just want work and basically just want to work and earn decent wage . i hear you. earn a decent wage. i hear you. i absolutely hear you. lots of you getting in touch about the lionesses and whether or not they were right or wrong to snub those fans, so—called at the arrivals at the airport . bob arrivals at the airport. bob says it's unfair to criticise the lionesses. michelle they perhaps had no idea that the fans were there and being denied access to them . maybe i'm just access to them. maybe i'm just harsh, but i don't really think that that will be the case. i'm sure that word will have got back to the team, andrew says . back to the team, andrew says. michelle, leave them alone. they've just got off a 23 hour flight and they win . it flight and they didn't win. it was too emotional for was probably too emotional for them face their fans . bernard them to face their fans. bernard went, why are you making a statement about this incident? you even what you don't even know what happened. and i don't know happened. and well, i don't know the finer but don't the finer details, but i don't really care the finer really care about the finer details. got your fans details. you've got your fans there. playing for there. you're playing now for this come on. engage this country. come on. engage with fans. is too much

with your fans. is that too much to ask? according to some of you, i am being a little bit harsh again. two nights in a row. goodness me. right. let's talk, the nhs? talk, shall we, about the nhs? because all know because by now we all know what's gone on with the horrific case of lucy letby. i don't need to all of that, but to rehash all of that, but there's this has there's something about this has kind of stuck in my kind of mind. i've been thinking about it over and over again as part of this case, it's emerged that a doctor had texted lucy letby and basically been saying to her kind of trying to make her feel better about things . but he'd kind of trying to make her feel bettetoabout things . but he'd kind of trying to make her feel betteto herit things . but he'd kind of trying to make her feel betteto her that1gs . but he'd kind of trying to make her feel betteto her that she. but he'd kind of trying to make her feel betteto her that she that he'd kind of trying to make her feel betteto her that she that youi said to her that she that you are one of the few nurses in the region . i've worked pretty much region. i've worked pretty much everywhere, he says that i would trust with my own children. i mean, excuse me. sorry you would only trust a few nurses from the region. and you work. i quote pretty much everywhere. you'd only trust a few of these workers with your staff . now, workers with your staff. now, joe, don't want to make this joe, i don't want to make this about lucy letby case about the lucy letby case because we've gone over this multiple times but when it multiple times now. but when it comes to the nhs, it is almost

like a religion to the point where we even had a church service for it. the other day. and if you try and criticise it in any real way and you say it needs proper reform, there's a huge amount of people out there that get deeply offended. and but i worry about this and i worry about whether or not we're just getting so emotionally attached the concept the attached to the concept of the nhs that perhaps not nhs that we're perhaps not seeing for some of its flaws seeing it for some of its flaws and for what it perhaps really is. >> well, i think one of the things without talking about the lucy letby case, but actually one the flaws that came one of the flaws that came absolutely loud and clear throughout the trial was the failure of management. and i think the problem with the health service is that when we are rushed into hospital or we are rushed into hospital or we are in dire need, we are in a vulnerable state. so therefore we are grateful and while most people would not criticise the actual health professionals , in actual health professionals, in most cases , when you have most cases, when you have incidents not as extreme as this one, but you know, the failure

of east kent hospitals trust, for instance, the failure of maternity services, the failure of bristol children's heart hospital over the years we've seen failure after failure after failure. and what you've got is a fragmented organisation where people cannot or will not sort out the it that allows information about patients to be exchanged properly . so it's very exchanged properly. so it's very difficult to know who to complain to because i think when people you know, i'm sure the viewers will say, yeah, i've had bad experiences, but most people will say no. the people who looked after me were absolutely brilliant, which they are what i think most of us and where the problem lies. and this is the rosy tinted nurses. if you make a complaint about, oh , i don't a complaint about, oh, i don't know, admin , illustrative errors know, admin, illustrative errors on outpatients , appointment or on outpatients, appointment or something like that, or possibly care, you will get a bland response if indeed you get a response if indeed you get a response from somebody in middle management who will, you know, talk to you about your mission statement and values. and i

think that's the problem . it's think that's the problem. it's so fragmented, but it is completely and utterly dysfunctional. if it was a company, it would need to be closed down and started all over again. >> see, i was looking at this today and do you know how much was spent last year in negligence in fighting negligence in fighting negligence claims? yeah so in terms of the negligence that was spent by the nhs , do you know spent by the nhs, do you know how much money there was a couple of hundred million. £31.3 billion. >> it's unbelievable . it's10% >> it's unbelievable. it's10% of the budget. nearly >> that's unbelievable. £13.3 billion was spent on negligence claims. apparently maternity claims. apparently maternity claims made up 60% of that figure, which is awful. yeah, it goes on. it goes on. so 13,551 clinical claims were received by the nhs in 2022 2023. the number of claims that reached some sort of claims that reached some sort of settlement was 13,499. so almost all of them, quite frankly. and then i was looking i was looking at the king's fund

study of 19 countries that they assess the uk has got the lowest levels of life expectancy. we've got below average health spending. we lag behind other countries in terms of capital investment. we've got lower levels of key clinical staff. so they say, and i could go on. >> yeah , i mean, it's first of >> yeah, i mean, it's first of all, i'm not sure that we do put the nhs on a pedestal. i just kidding me. i just want to look at that for a second. i think it's the politicians who put the nhs on a pedestal. >> what church service for it. the other day, what the electorate i think, put on a pedestal is the principle of the nhs. >> in other words , that it >> in other words, that it should be state funded and free at the point of delivery and anyone who messes with with those two principles i think comes under severe attack from the electorate . i think it's the the electorate. i think it's the politicians who keep telling us the nhs is this. politicians who keep telling us the nhs is this . i mean like we the nhs is this. i mean like we had to clap for it during lockdowns instead of paying our nurses wages that compare.

>> and then you've got a government that refuses to talk to them and refuses to talk to the doctors and so on. >> and so, i mean, so i think there's a problem with our politicians and their lack of preparedness to really genuinely tackle the problem because they now fear criticism from the electorate and the nhs is therefore getting off not scot free, but it's getting off proper scrutiny . that's the proper scrutiny. that's the first thing. the second thing i just want to quickly say on the lucy letby thing, if i may, is that together with this diversity in equality and inclusion comes an inclination inclusion comes an inclination in organisations and the nhs is subject to die . diversity, subject to die. diversity, exclusion, equality and inclusion. just like any other organisation . with it comes organisation. with it comes a preparedness to cloak failure for fear of upsetting the individual who's being ticked off accountable . rmt is going off accountable. rmt is going out of the window because we're to up to frightened of upsetting

people with whom we're interacting and whom we have to manage . and lucy letby was manage. and lucy letby was speaking to an icu nurse over the weekend and she said it's unheard of that a baby dies in icu for seven babies to die and for seven nearly to die just boggles the mind. and it was not unheard of. >> babies do very tragically. >> babies do very tragically. >> seven. well it's the rare it's very rare thing and for seven to die and seven to nearly die is just absolutely boggles the mind. and i think what's happenedis the mind. and i think what's happened is there's a disconnect in the organisation for multiple reasons , some of which i've reasons, some of which i've touched on, and a lack of preparedness for people to really challenge it. so the answer is nothing should be on a pedestal. we should really tackle the problem of the nhs. the needs radical reform. the nhs needs radical reform. some of the reform it needs is because it has in the past succeeded. you know, the average life expectancy in 1948 or whenever it was, that it came

into being was 68. it's now 81. thatis into being was 68. it's now 81. that is a sign of success in our health service, but of course it creates a much bigger burden. and of course we've got much more many more people in the country used to have. country than we used to have. we've lots of immigrants we've got lots of immigrants coming in. just to go back to that i want to drive it that point, i want to drive it home. puts a burden on home. that puts a burden on the nhs so got a lot of nhs and so we've got a lot of people would say without people would say that without those because those immigrants because actually would actually a lot of people would say a lot of the nhs staff say that a lot of the nhs staff now are those immigrants. >> so immigration is. >> so immigration is. >> i would say we've >> but i would say that we've dnven >> but i would say that we've driven out lot of the staff driven out a lot of the staff that would have been here because we're paying them because we're not paying them enough overtaxed them. because we're not paying them ercomes overtaxed them. because we're not paying them ercomes back overtaxed them. because we're not paying them ercomes back to overtaxed them. because we're not paying them ercomes back to thisertaxed them. because we're not paying them ercomes back to this veryed them. it comes back to this very simple that you should simple principle that you should it to work and you it should pay to work and you should be to keep your should be allowed to keep your legitimately money. and should be allowed to keep your leg are ately money. and should be allowed to keep your leg are too y money. and should be allowed to keep your leg are too high money. and should be allowed to keep your leg are too high tax. ney. and should be allowed to keep your leg are too high tax. we and should be allowed to keep your leg are too high tax. we saw we are too high on tax. we saw 7000 ambulance workers leave the leave the service last year. as i mentioned already in this programme we saw half a million young british citizens leave the country last year. we're to going brain drain if we going see a brain drain if we don't get a grip of creating aspiration in this country. >> and there a huge amount

>> and there is a huge amount of sick well when it comes sick leave as well when it comes to the nhs, particularly i think in the ambulance services that you mentioning just there, you were mentioning just there, who this and saying ? who is this saying and saying? michel the problem is that we run the nhs as business. our run the nhs as a business. our quality of life is paramount . quality of life is paramount. you want the nhs to stay in pubuc you want the nhs to stay in public hands ? ted says. the public hands? ted says. the whole of the country is broken. michel so therefore it figures that the nhs is also broken too. john he's blaming jeremy hunt for lots of that. cathy says i don't have rose tinted glasses and i don't trust anyone at any level in the nhs, especially management. see, i find that a real shame because there'll be a lot of doctors, nurses perhaps watching this that don't, that i trustworthy and feel very sad actually when they're profession comes under the spotlight like this. give me your thoughts gb views at gb news. okay um, should we just take a quick look, though, and see what the weather is doing where you are?

the that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers are proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> good evening, i'm alex deakin and this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news tomorrow. most places will have a fine day, some places seeing quite a bit of sunshine, others staying fairly cloudy. warmest conditions sunshine, others staying fairly cl(the. warmest conditions sunshine, others staying fairly cl(the southnarmest conditions sunshine, others staying fairly cl(the south closest conditions sunshine, others staying fairly cl(the south close to conditions sunshine, others staying fairly cl(the south close to thiintions sunshine, others staying fairly cl(the south close to this areas in the south close to this area of pressure. we've had of high pressure. we've had a bit a north split bit of a north south split today. the further north has today. the low further north has been bringing more and been bringing more clouds and a fair showers. still some of fair few showers. still some of those this evening, those around this evening, particularly and particularly across central and southern scotland, but clearing away most of us will have a away so most of us will have a dry night . away so most of us will have a dry night. there'll be some lengthy, clear spells, perhaps clouding over somewhat across south wales as we head through the it'll be the early hours. it'll be another night the south, another warm night in the south, but a bit colder than last night. further north, temperatures certainly across northern scotland, well down into single figures. but it should a bright start here, should be a bright start here, maybe shower the maybe the odd shower over the northern isles. see more northern isles. we'll see more showers the day across showers through the day across western and some western scotland and some more cloud half of

cloud across the western half of wales with some light rain and drizzle possible particularly so through the morning . but a good through the morning. but a good part southern england , part of southern england, eastern northern eastern england and northern england some decent england seeing some decent spells sunshine . a warmer spells of sunshine. a warmer day across north—east england across the north—east of england , warmest the south 25 to , too warmest in the south 25 to 26 degrees where it's cloudier. temperatures more likely to be in the high teens. now, thursday's a bit of a mish mash rain clearing away from scotland and ireland, and northern ireland, brightening but there brightening up here. but there is potential some heavy is the potential for some heavy showers across the south. just a risk at stage . got plans in risk at this stage. got plans in the south on thursday. keep up to date with the forecast still quite and here. again quite warm and humid here. again elsewhere, temperatures, high teens or low 20s. bye for now . teens or low 20s. bye for now. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> well, there you go. hopefully sunshine. now wherever you are , sunshine. now wherever you are, ricky says. ben habib might be the housewife's favourite michelle, but joey's the gb news darling. oh that's very nice, isn't it? linda says. michelle, who on earth do you think you

are? one minute you say and claim to want to be working class. the next minute you say that the ceo should be paid millions and you're also shouting at your guests. she says, bet you weren't. read says, i bet you weren't. read this email out. look, i want all workers to be paid fairly for the work that they do. and i actually do not agree that anyone should go to work and graft for the day and then have to rely on benefits to help them have a decent standard of living. of course, some of what i do say is playing devil's advocate in the name of debate, but there's also an argument that actually the top people for the job should be paid the top dollars, because if they're not steering the ship the right steering the ship in the right direction, us would have direction, none of us would have jobs. debate among jobs. but you can debate among yourselves whether or not you think it is indeed the top people those top jobs. people that have those top jobs. right? michelle dewberry right? i am michelle dewberry though, more though, and there is lots more to discuss this show before to discuss on this show before the it. least the end of it. not least slavery. is it time for us to stop apologising for it? and also what is going on when it comes the advert on gb news?

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radio. >> hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. ben habib and joe phillips alongside me. also john about the ceo . john says the about the ceo. john says the same people who are critical about ceo salaries are also the same people who support high football salaries by buying season tickets for their beloved clubs . he says. go and figure clubs. he says. go and figure that one out. well, i shall leave you to go and figure that one out while i move on, because the 19 century prime minister, william gladstone's ancestors , william gladstone's ancestors, they are travelling to the they are off travelling to the canbbean they are off travelling to the caribbean to apologise for their ancestors role in the slave trade. look britain abolished slavery. now quite some time ago, 1833, and i mean we were one of the first people to do so . so we kind of led by example many would say, is it time now, ben , to kind of say, right, the ben, to kind of say, right, the past is the past out, let's move

on. it was always the time to say that we should never have apologised for the slave trade because the trade isn't because as the slave trade isn't something in order to apologise , you have to have a victim to apologise to. >> that was 200 years ago. we abolished the slave trade and you have to have perpetrated the crime or the wrongdoing yourself and no one alive today. parties erupted in the slave trade and there's no one to apologise. so there's no one to apologise. so the whole thing is really simply an attack on british history. what people are trying to do is look over the fact that actually we, from a position of strength when our empire was at its zeth when our empire was at its zenith , we took it upon zenith, we took it upon ourselves to champion human rights and decide that slave trading was wrong ahead of the rest of the world. we abolished it and then we spent the rest of the 19th century actually making sure the rest of the globe followed suit, that the people didn't break the law trading slaves . there isn't a single slaves. there isn't a single country in the world that hasn't

traded slaves and hasn't had slaves as part of their their cultural history , in their cultural history, in their history. and the united kingdom should actually be proud of the fact that from that position of strength it abolished it. so we should never apologise for it. but the people who wish us to apologise wish us to wish to do the united kingdom's history down, they wish to question our culture. they wish to attack our heritage, and they wish us to to be lose our self—confidence so that we become more compliant as a nation. this is nothing less than an attack on the united kingdom. i know that sounds hyperbolic , but it's not. that's hyperbolic, but it's not. that's what this apology nonsense is all about. >> do you agree with that, joe? >> do you agree with that, joe? >> no, i don't. and i think it's really important to remember that empire was made that the british empire was made , made and founded on slavery. britain, along with portugal, england and portugal were the biggest slave trading nations. and yes, we abolished it. but thatis and yes, we abolished it. but that is not an excuse for what

we did . and so every single we did. and so every single person in this country and this country has benefited . now, country has benefited. now, these people, the gladstone family, like the trevelyans, that's entirely up to them. that's an entirely personal family matter. i do think there's a little bit of , you there's a little bit of, you know, virtue signalling , going know, virtue signalling, going back and apologising and, you know, somebody speaking from their castle and putting £100,000 into a research fund . £100,000 into a research fund. but we've all benefited indirectly or directly from the profit pits and the industry that came out of the slave trade. we paid and only paid off that debt in the last ten, 20 years. we paid slave owners compensation for the loss of their property. that is absolute disgusting. why is that discussion? because people do not belong to other people. >> joe. we put these people out of business. >> that's what we did quite right too. >> and they could have paid when

they were trading slaves. it wasn't illegal. it's not repugnant. >> it is repugnant. not repugnant that we stop the trade and we compensated them for putting them out of business. >> it is what's repugnant. point is that we now look back at the 18005 is that we now look back at the 1800s through a prism of modern morality, whatever that is , and morality, whatever that is, and we judge them and actually, if it wasn't for the steps taken in the early 1800s, you and i wouldn't be here having this debate if it wasn't for people like, i'm going to digress, but it's equally important. winston churchill standing firm against germany . we, you and i wouldn't germany. we, you and i wouldn't be here having this debate. this country has a huge amount about which to be proud, including the abolition of the slave and abolition of the slave trade and including standing up to tyranny across the world, including in europe. >> it is repugnant in its >> but it is repugnant in its very essence that one human being can own another one to the point it is to the point. >> but everyone in this day and age would agree with that. it is absolute . it's just we wouldn't

absolute. it's just we wouldn't be able to comprehend. although actually there is a lot of modern slavery that still goes on. >> yes, but modern slavery is this is actually taking people and them in bondage . and keeping them in bondage. >> it's abhorrent. it's absolutely, absolutely disgusting. hundreds and disgusting. but hundreds and hundreds of years ago, it was for whatever reason, i wasn't there. so i don't know the thought processes that people had. but for whatever reason, right across the globe, that was what people were doing and they were it. were doing it. >> but doesn't make it right >> but it doesn't make it right and doesn't make any. no. and it doesn't make it any. no. >> was, should we >> one question was, should we apologise ? >> one question was, should we apoand;e ? minute you apologise, >> and the minute you apologise, well, is well, what you're doing is overlooking the phenomenal amount of good that we did by abolishing to apologise . abolishing to apologise. >> i think. i think rishi sunak the current prime minister should apologise to . should apologise to. >> he should apologise particularly to the caribbean nafions particularly to the caribbean nations on behalf of britain. >> but he didn't do anything wrong and none of them have. sometimes you have to take responsibility and say what we've just agreed . we've just agreed. >> it was abhorrent. it is disgusting . disgusting. >> it is wrong. where are. where

are are the are the apologise? where are the people out multiple people calling out multiple states africa, multiple states in africa, multiple states in africa, multiple states on in eastern europe? who still trade in people? what about the sex trade? >> why are we that's what about that that's going on right now. i know it is this was abolished by us 200 years ago. and to go back to your favourite theme of the evening, we're not going to help who are being help people who are being trafficked because sex slaves under illegal migration under the illegal migration act are you mean? well, are we? what do you mean? well, people escaping, people who are escaping, who come illegally , well, come here illegally, well, they're france. they're in france. >> already safe. >> they're already safe. they should france. should stay in france. >> right. >> right. >> okay. >> okay. >> but i mean, i'm sorry, but i think it is so disgusting and i think it is so disgusting and i think it is a stain on our history. >> and think anybody who holds >> and i think anybody who holds it know, the great it up, as, you know, the great british empire, it is very convenient that we say we were a great we've done great empire. we've done wonderful things and we abolished we made abolished slavery, but we made an lot of money out of it. an awful lot of money out of it. and then and joe thinks the answer to that is for rishi sunak, man that absolutely had sunak, a man that absolutely had nothing their nothing to do with their hundreds of later saying hundreds of years later saying sorry to people. >> absolutely. were not >> absolutely. also were not there years ago. do

>> absolutely. also were not theragree years ago. do >> absolutely. also were not theragree with years ago. do >> absolutely. also were not theragree with that? ars ago. do >> absolutely. also were not theragree with that? is; ago. do >> absolutely. also were not theragree with that? is that. do you agree with that? is that what would like rishi sunak what you would like rishi sunak to do? do you think that would hold weight? would it make amends past wrongs? amends for past perhaps wrongs? you me, you you get in touch with me, you let know your thoughts. let me know your thoughts. i want advertising after want to talk advertising after the

break hello there. i'm michelle dewberry till 7:00. ceo of first property group and former brexit party mep ben habib, alongside me, as is the political commentator joe phillips. me, as is the political commentatorjoe phillips. now commentator joe phillips. now let's commentatorjoe phillips. now let's talk advertising, shall we? if you're a media platform , we? if you're a media platform, is advertisers. oh sorry, our advertisers, are they a privilege ? are they a right? who privilege? are they a right? who gets to decide and who places ads where and what should that decision criteria be? i'm asking because 46 conservative mps have now written to the prime minister asking him to intervene and protect the media from so—called ongoing boycotts by advertisers . as this concerns advertisers. as this concerns ben habib . basically that there

ben habib. basically that there is a kind of a campaign group, an advertising collective called the conscious advertising network . and what they're saying network. and what they're saying there's been accusations levied at them that they're trying to essentially defund media outlets that perhaps were what they would define as being right of centre. what do you make of it all? >> well, i think the problem is much deeper and much broader than clearly the 46 mps who were complaining to the government have grasped that this isn't kind of self—created sponsored genius movement against centre right channels or centre right, that people with centre right views. this is embedded in the regulatory and legal framework of the united kingdom. all all regulated and institutions , all regulated and institutions, all businesses with which regular chartered institutions trade have to promote diverse equality and inclusion . and that is

and inclusion. and that is interpreted as the promotion of ethnic minorities, minority sexual preferences, transgender ideology, all that sort of thing. is at the heart of regulatory re obligations. now and if you disagree with any of that, if you believe, for example, that we're all equal and it doesn't matter what colour you are, you are immune immediately on the wrong side of the regulations and that's where it's born. this is not some cultural war that we're fighting. it's a regulatory war. and we have to roll back the regulation . and the reason gb regulation. and the reason gb news the reason grind won't advertise on gb news is not because it has a dislike of gb news. it's because it's told by the regulation is that it mustn't fund anything that it sees as centre right, because centre right doesn't automatically believe in diversity and equality . diversity and equality. >> and think you are being >> and i think you are being a little bit broad brush. there are about the are regulations about the

misinformation and there are regulations and this is this organisation , the campaign for organisation, the campaign for conscious advertising network is not the regulatory body, it is, it is a pressure group, if you like, that many large companies have signed up to because they buy into die because they're trying to move away like diversion , which we've talked diversion, which we've talked about umpteen times on this program. but this is about trying to move away from and it's very particular as well to internet advertising where, you know, things will pop up, which are hate crime or hate hateful stuff. now, i believe that advertisers will advertise where there's a market and i. >> but they won't show. >> but they won't show. >> well, they're not banned from advertising . you say that. and advertising. you say that. and the people who . well, maybe the people who. well, maybe people need to or perhaps people do know already see media bias is by advertising slots for companies. so if you are a company first property group, let's say you will use a media buyer who will go michelle

dewberry . she's got lots of dewberry. she's got lots of she's got a huge audience, bigger than sky news, bigger than bbc. >> but it's not it's not as simple as that, though, is it? because that was the case, because if that was the case, then we would be having way more advertiser than advertiser hours than we currently the and currently do. the second and advertiser disposal. got advertiser disposal. you got people watching this people that are watching this channel over people that are watching this channeas over people that are watching this channeas soon over people that are watching this channeas soon as over people that are watching this channeas soon as an over people that are watching this channeas soon as an advertiser seven. as soon as an advertiser comes on board. these guys have a orchestrated campaign. a very orchestrated campaign. they instantly online. they they go instantly online. they say, right, they're tweeting constantly. here is the latest advertiser on gb news. a whole orchestrated campaign then targets that brand saying you're out . i targets that brand saying you're out. i saw targets that brand saying you're out . i saw it with kia, the car out. i saw it with kia, the car company the other day. you've got these people stop funding all the rest of them that now target these organisations, these companies. then panic and pull their advertising . pull their advertising. >> then they need to have conversations. i mean, certainly, you know, if i was let me just finish . let me just finish. >> finish quite. okay. we've only got about a minute left. >> if i an advertiser here >> if i was an advertiser here and i had seen laurence fox setting fire to pride flags and displaying it on his twitter

feed and blackface , i would have feed and blackface, i would have pulled advertising, but don't you think that advertisers should really be kind of content neutral so they're not endorsers ? >> 7- >> they ? >> they don't 7 >> they don't sit there and say, right, i've watched what laurence fox setting fire to what was the progressive pride flag. he was doing so because what he was saying is that some of the agendas that are going on are wrong. and advertising your product doesn't that you product doesn't mean that you condone that you agree condone that or that you agree with whatever. so media with that, whatever. so media neutrality, ask me, is neutrality, if you ask me, is a key. but yes, we are still being boycotted, which explains why you do see limited advertisement. but we are grateful for all of our advertisers because all of your pounds are just as valuable as anyone else's. but look , that's anyone else's. but look, that's all i've got. time forjoe and ben, thank you. thank you. at home. thank you for supporting gb news. have a good night and i'll see you tomorrow night. night >> temperature's rising . >> the temperature's rising. boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb news.

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presidential hopefuls. donald trump will not be here, but he still seems to dominate headlines. hey, on both sides of the pond. we'll also look at an outbreak of sex and violence that took place in derby over the weekend. we'll ask has the politics of the subcontinent come to england? and we'll also look at a school in hull in east yorkshire, where sexually explicit material was shown to four year old kids. explicit material was shown to four year old kids . we'll talk four year old kids. we'll talk to a parent who withdrew their child from the school all of that coming up. but first, let's get the news headlines with brianna . james brianna. james >> your top stories from the newsroom. a former met police officer has been jailed for 16 years for raping a 16 year old girl. and a female police officer . girl. and a female police officer. adam girl. and a female police officer . adam provan raped girl. and a female police officer. adam provan raped a colleague six times and terrorised her so she feared for her life over a three year period. he also raped a teenager twice in 2010. lauren taylor was

a child when he