video showing a migrant tiktok video showing a migrant grinning on his journey to the uk on a possible record day for channels crossings on the channel. we'll be looking at that. >> and are we going to get a major brexit boost, an historic trade deal with india could be signed it not today or quite soon. are we finally taking signed if not today or quite soon. are we finally taking back control white criminals let off.7 >> did baby serial killer lucy letby get away with her horrific crimes because of her race? well, today, a leading figure who says that if she'd been black, she'd have been caught soonen black, she'd have been caught sooner. is our justice system sooner. is ourjustice system racist ? say, medical miracle? racist? say, medical miracle? >> it's being called britain's first womb transplant . could first womb transplant. could this breakthrough finally give hope to women who are unable to give birth . give birth.

big story in the papers, isn't it? they are the operation, the first womb transplant. >> the first of anything is a big story, of course, of being greeted roundly with applause and celebration. but i think there's a bit of nuance to this story. and i don't think it's completely as positive as it might sound. so we're going to be discussing that. certainly are. let us know your thoughts on all our talking points. on all of our talking points. vaiews@gbnews.com but first of all, here's your morning's news with roberts . with tamzin roberts. >> beth thank you. good morning from the gb newsroom at 931. a woman has been given a womb by her older sister in the uk's first womb transplant . medics first womb transplant. medics are hailing the success as a groundbreaking medical milestone. the operation at the churchill hospital in oxford took 17 hours to complete the 34 year old patient who was born without a functioning womb , is without a functioning womb, is now hoping to begin ivf treatment around 50 babies have

been born worldwide as a result of these types of transplants . of these types of transplants. lead surgeon professor richard smith says the operation has been a massive success. mortgages are at a 15 year high despite homes now being cheaper. research from halifax says the cost of a typical home is now 6.7 times average. earnings down from 7.3 last summer. but the group says typical monthly mortgage payments have rocketed by more than a fifth over the past year, meaning that overall buying a house is less affordable . all the uk will give affordable. all the uk will give support to ukraine's nuclear fuel supply in an effort to end the country's reliance on russia. grant shapps has announced a nearly £200 million loan guarantee to enable a uk based firm to supply ukraine's national nuclear company with uranium enrichment services . the uranium enrichment services. the energy secretary also visited a ukrainian power station damaged by russian missiles. he says the

plans will stop president putin using energy as a weapon of war. those are the headlines and you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website, gb news dot com. now back to andrew and . bev andrew and. bev >> good morning. thank you for joining us so the busy secretary kemi badenoch will fly to india today in an attempt finalise today in an attempt to finalise a multi—million new post a multi—million pound new post brexit trade deal. >> it would be great if it happens. the prime minister did tell course, when he was tell us of course, when he was bofis tell us of course, when he was boris johnson, it was to boris johnson, it was going to happen year. by diwali. happen last year. by diwali. however, dealing however, the issue of dealing with caused divisions with india has caused divisions with india has caused divisions with within the government. the home with within the government. the hon raised concerns that the with within the government. the hon r.may concerns that the with within the government. the hon r.may be 1cerns that the with within the government. the hon r.may be far'ns that the with within the government. the hon r.may be far more at the with within the government. the hon r.may be far more visas for price may be far more visas for indians coming here. of course they represent, of course , the they represent, of course, the largest group of visa overstayers richard tice the reader. >> the reform uk party is here. good morning. good morning to you. is this good news? any trade deal is good news, but trade deal is good news, but trade trade deals are good news as long as they are properly

negotiated in the interest of the united kingdom. >> and that will be the key test. and i'm a big fan of the asian trade deal with the cptpp. yeah which which is a huge growth area over the coming years. and this one with india, you know , it's india is a very you know, it's india is a very key member of the commonwealth, a great friendly relation has over many years. but it's got to be on the right terms and you know, we've got significant export to india, but they're actually interestingly only are 14 largest test export out partner. >> why is that? why so low when it's one of the biggest markets in the world? >> it's a really good question. and i suspect because actually they're pretty at doing they're pretty good at doing things themselves. and if anybody knows drive anybody knows how to drive a good bargain and to keep costs low , it's the indian business low, it's the indian business community. mean , they're community. i mean, they're outstanding and that's outstanding at it. and that's the that yes , we want to the thing that yes, we want to welcome more trade relations

with india. but what we must not accept is , is a significant accept is, is a significant increase cease in immigration into the uk as part of the price of that deal. what if it is a key point? but what if it's high skilled, you know, really high skilled, you know, really high skilled immigration? of course we've always welcomed that and always should, but that's very different to what we've seen currently with this government's point based. so doctors and tech, tech , tech experts, tech, tech, tech experts, they're welcome people, of course, who are going to bring investment into the country, bnng investment into the country, bring great skills into the country. but that's very different from essentially cheap, modest or low skilled labour coming into the country in significantly increased numbers because the british people , frankly, we are people, frankly, we are struggling to cope with our population as it is. we've got 5 million of our own people out of work benefits. the key focus of this government needs to be on getting our own people back into work and to making work pay for

british people. so at the top end, of course, let's welcome it. but let's not just do a deal it. but let's not just do a deal. if the price is wrong, that would be my. >> so just just so people understand this. so the idea is in exchange for a lucrative trade deal for the uk, we would say and therefore we will give you x amount of visas for indian people to come here. that's how it works. >> that's look, it's the whole thing is a big negotiate with trade deals and they can take a long time. i'm actually more of a fan of what you call partial trade deals because sometimes some things are difficult, some things are too difficult, some things are too difficult, so you just put that in so you should just put that in the trade to come back the difficult trade to come back to in sort of phase two or phase three. and you you what three. and you would you what you may well be. you can agree it may well be. and part the and that's part of the negotiation what want to negotiation on what you want to agree on the easier stuff agree is on the easier stuff where know agreed and where you know you've agreed and that obviously varies from country country . so get country to country. so get something build some something done, build some confidence and then move on to round two and round three and see if you can work it that way. so it'll be the indian

negotiators will be arguing for many, many more visas than i suspect. why do they want so many? >> why do they want so many ? >> why do they want so many? >> why do they want so many? >> that's because there are there's a big indian community here in the uk. there's a big indian community here in the uk . yeah. and they here in the uk. yeah. and they will be pushing very successful business community. so you can understand why they're pushing for it . but equally the role of for it. but equally the role of the government is to look after british citizens to and make the government is to look after briti:that:izens to and make the government is to look after britizthat anys to and make the government is to look after britizthat any trade nd make the government is to look after britizthat any trade dealake the government is to look after britizthat any trade deal works sure that any trade deal works for kingdom . and what for the united kingdom. and what my concern about is, frankly, given what we're seeing about the quality of the civil service all over the place, the quality of negotiate is being of our negotiate is being outnegotiated . and as we all outnegotiated. and as we all fear, frankly, we have been with the european union. >> now ulez gets expanded to lots of areas that don't necessarily want it. richard tice next week think anyway wants it . well, except sidique wants it. well, except sidique khan. >> yes . >> yes. >> yes. >> right. >> right. >> so who has the power in this conversation at the moment? because sunak have been stopped from the no, no, ho. 110. >> no. >> let's be very clear. yeah he has week and feeble

has had some week and feeble advice from lawyers that he has gutless and cowardly decided to listen to me. he's the leader. yeah, right . listen to me. he's the leader. yeah, right. he's the leader. and the role of leaders? yes. you seek advice and then you decide. and if i was in his shoes, i would get a different lawyer. i would look at the advice, but i'm the boss. i'm the leader. and i would say this is not the interests of is not in the interests of londoners, people who come londoners, of people who come into london, and they should stop it. and he should show some gumption and some courage and say enough is enough. >> what about the frankly, richard , jaw dropping revelation richard, jaw dropping revelation that one of sadiq khan's depufies that one of sadiq khan's deputies tried to persuade scientists when they're writing about the effect of ulez on on our health and our on our lungs to change medical advice in the lancet. it's a blue chip, blue ribbon. >> and so actually , it's hard to >> and so actually, it's hard to keep up because this is the second revelation where the very same person has actually basically tried to amend science report. >> let's name a shirley

rodriguez, the london deputy mayor she said. would professor charles griffiths of queen mary, university of london reword the study's conclusion, which found no evidence of health benefits to children's lungs and from expanding the ultra low no more than a decade. >> so this is this is the key disgraceful. everybody bangs on about whether it's starmer, whether it's sadiq khan saying children's lungs are being damaged. here's the scientific evidence is that that's garbage. that's gibberish. it's nonsense. and they tried to get it lied to us. i think utterly outrageous. >> shouldn't she have to resign over course she should. and >> of course she should. and frankly, khan knows frankly, sadiq khan knows this and think should resign and i think he should resign over is the over this. and this is the second the first time was second time. the first time was over the college over the imperial college report. that's right into the ulez data, showed that ulez data, which showed that actually, what? no actually, guess what? no difference whatsoever. so small , it was less 3, frankly , , it was less than 3, frankly, barely measurable. these people are lying to londoners. they're lying to the british people. and it's got to be called out. >> so if the basis of their pushing this out is public health, if that is gone and lots of people have been trying to

get that point across, how can they it ? do they? they justify it? do they? >> it's all about the money. and if you don't understand something, follow the something, always follow the money. a stealth tax. it's money. it's a stealth tax. it's a robin, it's literally it's a tax on the poor. it's the sheriff of nottingham called sadiq khan. he's the sheriff of london. and he's he's robbing the least well—off, the lowest paid the most vulnerable in and around london. >> white van man is going to find this very difficult. and women and women , of course. and women and women, of course. and richard, we shouldn't forget , richard, we shouldn't forget, this london thing. this isn't just a london thing. now, ulez extended now, this ulez being extended all over the country. bristol manchester, completely. >> and that's why it's so important to nip this in the bud. that's why the prime minister should show some gumption and some leadership and say enough is enough. we're not doing this . the scientific data doing this. the scientific data is there . it's clear it's is there. it's clear it's garbage, it's a cash grab. we should stop it. >> they're blocking the madness in scotland over gender, allowing young children to have their gender rightly so their gender change. rightly so

, because they've blocked it, because under the because they can, under the devolution they've devolution powers. so they've taken legal advice there and they've taken the view they could do same. here again, could do the same. here again, you're could the could do the same. here again, you're here, could the could do the same. here again, you'rehere, but could the could do the same. here again, you'rehere, but they)uld the could do the same. here again, you're here, but they but they1e won't. >> and i think what they're doing, i'm afraid cynically, is making political calculation . making a political calculation. so they are they are so do i. they are they are thinking, that thinking, well, does that help the conservative mayoral candidate? i don't think it does . and tell you what, our great . and i tell you what, our great candidate, howard cox, he's the one highlighted this first one who highlighted this first to mark harper. he's the to mark harper. he's on the case. keep the drum. >> yeah, we want to show you this little video this morning, richard, our blood richard, as if our blood couldn't boil a video. >> nasty. couldn't boil a video. >> so sty. couldn't boil a video. >> so this is an afghan boy, a young man who took the journey across the channel, and he's documented his holiday as it appears to be on tiktok. and there he is in the hotel in the uk with his beautiful, huge tv and the lovely, fresh sheets. and how do we as a country it offer any sort of deterrent to making that journey whilst those doing it are doing such a good

job of selling the idea? >> but let's be very clear these are advertisements on tiktok to people all over the world to say come to the uk. it's fantastic. it's the best place to be. we're a soft touch and so we're being exploited. we're being manipulated. this will only stop when the government is the day. has the gumption to carry out what we at reform uk are proposing , which is you pick up proposing, which is you pick up and you safely take back to france, which you are legally entitled to do under two separate international treaties. the first is the 1974 safety of life at sea treaty and the second is the 1982 un convention on the law at sea. and guess what? we know this works because australia did it exactly ten years ago. >> you have to be a certain distance from the shoreline in know. so at any point on that journey, at any point i've read these treaties cover to cover, i know exactly which clauses if i was in charge , i would invoke to was in charge, i would invoke to pick up and safely take back under existing international

law. >> if it's so obvious and so simple, help me, richard . why simple, help me, richard. why don't they do it? >> because they're cowards . >> because they're cowards. >> because they're cowards. >> can we bring in mark white? this might good time. our this might be a good time. our health security. health and health and security. health and security. just given you security. i've just given you a ten. >> anything. it's like politics. >> you can do any job around here? no. your here? no. mark your home security why aren't the security editor. why aren't the governments doing it? if richard is right? >> well, i mean, i think he may well be right . there may well be well be right. there may well be an opportunity within treaties to do just that. but the issue, of course, and the calculation for the government is if you do that , it for the government is if you do that, it causes one almighty row with your nearest neighbour and with your nearest neighbour and with this huge trading bloc, do they want to go down that road? clearly they don't. >> but here's the point. it's about internal leadership, because if we that and it because if we do that and it works, then show to all the works, you then show to all the eu leaders that that's exactly what they should do in the mediterranean. pick every single boat, of those boat, everybody out of those rickety boats in the med where far more hundreds of people tragically are and you tragically are dying. and you take back to north africa. take them back to north africa.

that international that is real international leadership. we can lead the way . we get this done. why . we can get this done. why won't they do they're won't they do it? they're gutless . gutless. >> you know, i think there is a real point there that if real point there in that if france was to agree to a returns agreement, then within weeks this whole trade would stop because thousands of people would not come to the northwest shores of france, expecting to go to the uk because they know they would be returned. and actually for the people of boulogne and calais and dunkirk who have to put up with many thousands of people camped around their towns, going into the towns with an explosion of crime and anti—social behaviour , our in those towns they would surely welcome that. it might mean, of course , that paris is mean, of course, that paris is deaung mean, of course, that paris is dealing with with a migrant problem , um, further inland. but problem, um, further inland. but of course they are, as are all european countries as it needs to be. i think stopped in the first instance on the front tier countries and there needs to be a coherent european union policy. >> you've got to stop people on

the frontier, countries, as you say , and then you essentially say, and then you essentially you then press the pause button and the un needs to get involved because we don't do this, because if we don't do this, i tell you, roll forward 1 or 2 years, you are talking millions of people coming across the whole schengen border scheme will collapse as countries erect within the eurozone. the european union erect their own borders. we are facing absolute chaos. 12 2436 months down the track, unless some leaders show some proper courage on this and as you quite rightly say, it's the french people who will benefit along with the british people. >> and mark, what evidence is there anything the prime there that anything the prime minister is doing or saying is making whatsoever making any difference whatsoever 7 making any difference whatsoever ? says it is i >>i -- >> i think m >> i think he's in evidence. he's embarked on a very risky strategy , no real evidence that strategy, no real evidence that it's anything to do with his policies . the real evidence that policies. the real evidence that it's everything to do with the weather. speak daily to weather. we speak daily to maritime experts . take a look at maritime experts. take a look at this. by the way. this is boat this. by the way. this is a boat this. by the way. this is a boat this morning spotted good mid—channel just to be mid—channel just about to be picked up by the border force

vessel. and brought here. this looks like a bigger boat and it's out . i'm it's absolutely packed out. i'm you know, i'm just not sure what's going on in the channel at the moment. it is all over the place. we've got some boats that are coming with just that are coming across with just 30 people, some are 30 odd people, some that are coming many as coming across with as many as 70, even 80 odd. and i don't know if that's indicative of issues that the people smugglers are having on the other side of the channel. maybe move up to the channel. maybe a move up to bigger boats. we don't quite know lot of it is know. but a lot of it is dependent on the weather at and the fact is, over for months now, we have had really unpredictable weather in the channel we've had winds blowing from the north and northeast, which means that it's difficult to get off the beaches of france and it churns up the tides. >> i was i was out there in the middle of the channel last thursday morning in a small rib, 6.5m, same size as some of 6.5m, the same size as some of those boats, just two of us. i have to tell you, a have to tell you, it is a seriously hairy experience . and seriously hairy experience. and we up with border force we caught up with border force hurricane that we think had just picked about 50 of the

picked up about 50 of the migrants we followed it back migrants and we followed it back to dover. it was quite extraordinary at 20 knots. i mean, quite some speed. mean, that is quite some speed. and yeah , i think, as you say, and yeah, i think, as you say, the weather is good and kind and we know what's happening. it's all about the money. and the people smugglers are making hay whilst the sun shines and the wind and tiktok is still wind is calm and tiktok is still carrying adverts. >> those videos , those >> not just those videos, those which are going to make people ill that, frankly, but ill watching that, frankly, but carrying telling people ill watching that, frankly, but carrythey telling people ill watching that, frankly, but carrythey approach lling people ill watching that, frankly, but carrythey approach to 1g people ill watching that, frankly, but carrythey approach to effectively who they approach to effectively the gangs are advertising their wares on tiktok. of course, they are in full view of the of the immigration. >> of course, they are. and they're doing it in ways that they're doing it in ways that the tiktok systems are not the tiktok ai systems are not able pick up because they're able to pick up because they're just using emojis. so there's no words, audience. words, there's no audience. and that's doing and that's how they're doing it. and but also, let's be honest, tiktok owned by chinese tiktok part owned by the chinese government. tiktok part owned by the chinese governnchina nana are delighted >> yes. china nana are delighted to the suffering with this. >> of course. i mean, it's it suits them down the ground suits them down to the ground for us all be basically for us all to be basically arguing with each other, completely . societal completely undermined. societal breakdown. et cetera . and so it

breakdown. et cetera. and so it goes on. and but it all comes back to leadership. this could be stopped within a fortnight with proper leadership in the united kingdom. it could then be stopped within 3 to 4 weeks across the whole of the med. but these people haven't got the courage do what needs to be courage to do what needs to be done. and it's the kind and compassionate all compassionate thing before all the start me . the lefties start attacking me. because people dying. because you stop people dying. and i tell you, all these lefties , right, they've all got lefties, right, they've all got blood on their hands because they are all involved in this thing carrying on the vested interests uk , making interests in the uk, making billions of pounds of profits every year. that's why they won't do this, because they're making so much money. >> when win the next >> and when labour win the next election, they surely >> and when labour win the next electparticularlyhey surely >> and when labour win the next electparticularly ify surely >> and when labour win the next elect particularly if they ely >> and when labour win the next electparticularly if they don't >> and when labour win the next elec thisticularly if they don't >> and when labour win the next elec this out arly if they don't >> and when labour win the next electhis out and if they don't >> and when labour win the next electhis out and itthey don't >> and when labour win the next electhis out and it doesn't1't sort this out and it doesn't look like they're going to, it's going be come on in. going to be come on in. >> i mean, it's it's hard >> i mean, it's bad. it's hard to imagine that it could get worse. could worse. worse. it could get much worse. but failure but you cannot reward failure with more incumbency. that is the bottom line. yeah. yeah. >> okay . mark white, richard >> okay. mark white, richard tice, thank you so much for now. right now, surgeons have

performed the uk's first womb transplant on a 34 year old woman with an organ donated by her older sister. >> well, it's an extraordinary operation. it lasted over nine hours churchill hospital hours at the churchill hospital in described in oxford. it's been described as success. as a massive success. >> as a massive success. >> so joining us now is tony jarvis mac, the chief executive of fertility foundation. of the fertility foundation. good morning . thank you very good morning. thank you very much. how significant ant is this announcing this morning? is this announcing this morning? is this going to change the outcome for lots of women who suffer from infertility ? it's amazing. from infertility? it's amazing. >> i mean, this isn't brand new science. it was , you know, first science. it was, you know, first started in 2014. but the uk are now pioneering in this and to the women that this is going to help this is absolutely going to be amazing. there's just there's we have service users ourselves at the very moment there's six of that are in this of them that are in this position and they would benefit from . from this. >> me an idea of who >> so give me an idea of who those service users are, what kind of women would this be

suitable for? because of course, you could already use your own 999 you could already use your own egg and have ivf treatment or use a surrogate. sorry, but this would allow women who have a womb that does not function for whatever reason to carry their own child just explain that a little bit more detail . little bit more detail. >> yeah. so there's obviously the religious part. so if you are muslim, so you wouldn't be allowed to do surrogacy and have someone else carry your child. but people that are but for the people that are coming through us, they've had either they've cancer so either they've had cancer so they've had womb cancer or another cancer where that's caused them to not be able to lose a uterus and not be able to have children of their own. so, yes, do ivf. yes, yes, they could do ivf. yes, they would have their own embryos. think for women embryos. but i think for women being able to the option to carry your own child is an amazing option for them . amazing option for them. >> so just just, just run that by me again. so all of the risks that will go with this, which are significant surge risks for

both parts , is the woman having both parts, is the woman having her womb removed and the woman having the womb implanted is religious belief a strong enough reason? do you think , to go reason? do you think, to go through all of that ? through all of that? >> um, yeah. i mean , if you if >> um, yeah. i mean, if you if you believe in your religion and if you believe that this is your your natural way is to have a child, then definitely this is the right option for them. it's not going to be the right for everyone. but who's to say that, you know, we're not there to tell people what their options are, whether they can or can't have a child naturally. and if people if the option is there for them and they can do that, yes, it's risky. but it's risky for other surgeries that they have they have. have and transplants they have. >> was paid for by >> what this was paid for by a charity. i understand . and now charity. i understand. and now how is this procedure how expensive is this procedure going to be in an nhs, which is already to say strapped for cash is an understatement . is an understatement. >> i think it was about 25,000. so it was a charity that paid

for it. i know they are going to need a lot of funding to be able to help more people , but it's to help more people, but it's the same with doing ivf on the nhs. people say, well, why should that be paid? is it an elective surgery ? isn't an elective surgery? isn't an elective surgery? isn't an elective surgery? isn't an elective surgery . elective surgery. >> okay. can i ask you this? in america, experts are saying this is going to pave the way for trans gender women to have children . experts in the us say children. experts in the us say it's certainly medical possible to perform the procedure in trans women who were born male but have had sex change surgery . what do you say to that ? well, . what do you say to that? well, i believe the doctor that actually performed this has said this is that's years out. >> this isn't something that's going to happen tomorrow . um going to happen tomorrow. um that's not okay. >> but that's not okay. that doesn't matter if that happens, whether that's whether it happensin whether that's whether it happens in five years or whether it happens in 50 years. a lot of the changes we're dealing with at the moment, we have to we have a responsibility as

humanity to stop and consider what some of the decisions we're making now will mean in not only 50 years, but in 100 years. and if has been pushed through if this has been pushed through just trans men are more just so that trans men are more likely have trans women are likely to have trans women are more likely to have children , i more likely to have children, i think are some serious think there are some serious questions asked about that. >> i don't believe it's been pushed through just that pushed through just so that trans can conceive a trans women can can conceive a child themselves. i don't i don't think that's where this started out and why it's being performed now is to help people, is to help women that don't have a uterus or have had to have a hysterectomy very early on to have a child. naturally, i don't think there issue about trans has really been brought up and raised as much , certainly not. raised as much, certainly not. i mean, this is brand new. that's just come out today and i'm sure there will be people that come out and say, you know, they're paying out and say, you know, they're paying frankenstein , they're paying frankenstein, they're playing doing playing god, they're doing something that unnatural and something that is unnatural and unholy but 42 or 44 years ago, when they pioneered ivf, they said exactly the same thing. i'm

so sorry. >> we've tied for time. tony mac jarvis, the chief executive of the fertility foundation . we've the fertility foundation. we've got a more to get through got a lot more to get through this news, this morning this is gb news, the people's channel. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> good morning. i'm alex deakin and this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news most places having a fine day today. the winds a bit lighter than yesterday as well. some cloudier than others some areas cloudier than others . and there is a little bit of rain in the air across the west coast of wales. 1 or 2 spots of light rain and drizzle possible and showers in and further showers likely in western odd western scotland. the odd one across , maybe across southern scotland, maybe northern but northern ireland later too, but for many it's going to be for many places it's going to be dry and fine. sunny across dry and fine. sunny again across southern england, much of eastern england and northern england, too. so a warmer day across the northeast of england, 21, maybe 23 highest 21, 22, maybe 23 highest temperatures in the south—east today , 25 26. again where today, 25 or 26. again where it's cloudier further west, generally high teens, low 20s at

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grinning on his journey, grinning from ear to ear on his way to the uk on a possible record day for crossings on the engush record day for crossings on the english channel. brexit boost a historic trade deal with india could be signed very soon. are we finally taking back control ? we finally taking back control? >> white criminals let off? did the baby serial killer lucy letby get away with her horrific crimes because of her race? today the leading figure who says if she'd have been black or brown, she'd have been caught sooner system sooner is our justice system racist ? and medical miracle? racist? and medical miracle? >> britain's first womb transplant. could this incredible breakthrough finally give hope to women who are unable to give birth ? well, we'd unable to give birth? well, we'd love to know what you think about all of our stories this morning, gb views at cbnnews.com . com. but first of all, here is your morning snooze with tamsin roberts . roberts. >> beth, thanks very much. and good morning from the newsroom

it's 10:01. experts are hailing it's10:01. experts are hailing the uk's first womb transplant as a medical milestone . a 3434 as a medical milestone. a 3434 year old woman in england received the organ from her older sister and is now planning to undergo ivf later this year. the operation at the churchill hospital in oxford took about 17 hours, around 50 babies have been born worldwide following womb transfers . its lead surgeon womb transfers. its lead surgeon , professor richard smith, says the operation was a massive success.i the operation was a massive success. i think probably the most stressful or stressful week of our surgical careers, but also unbelievably positive in the outcome and the donor and recipient just over the moon , recipient just over the moon, really over the moon. >> well , really over the moon. >> well, certainly really over the moon. >> well , certainly excited about >> well, certainly excited about the next one. and just really happy that we've got a donor who's completely back to normal after her big op and the recipient after her big op who's doing really well on on her immunosuppressive therapy and

looking forward to getting to having a baby . mortgage is are having a baby. mortgage is are at a 15 year high despite homes now being cheaper research from halifax says the cost of a typical home is now 6.7 times average. >> earnings down from 7.3 last summer. but the group says typical monthly mortgage payments have rocketed by more than a fifth over the past year , meaning that overall buying a house is less affordable . the uk house is less affordable. the uk will give support to ukraine's nuclear fuel supply in an effort to end the country's reliance on russia. visiting the country. the energy security secretary announced a nearly £200 million loan guarantee to enable a uk based firm to supply ukraine's national nuclear company with uranium enrichment services grant shapps also visited a ukrainian power station damaged by russian missiles . he says the by russian missiles. he says the plans will stop president putin using energy as a weapon of war.

well, during his visit, grant shapps also visited a nursery previously attended by the young son of the family. he took in under the homes for ukraine scheme. he says he hopes nikita can return home soon. can return home 500“. >> can return home soon. >> well, i specifically take him some lovely gifts from the kindergarten and from the children, from photographs from his from his time here. but but mainly all of their love and the same in return. it's really incredible to come here today and see where he was at kindergarten, obviously, before i knew him . and you know, i hope i knew him. and you know, i hope that this war ends and that he can return to his life as soon as possible . as possible. >> labour has accused the government of creating huge uncertainty for businesses with shambolic post—brexit border trade plans . the party shambolic post—brexit border trade plans. the party has demanded clarity on trade plans after reports that ministers will delay the introduction on border checks on animal and plant products coming from the

eu. it comes as trade secretary kemi badenoch is heading to india to intensify trade talks with the nation. shadow chief secretary to the treasury pat mcfadden says the trade has potential, but it's the content of the deal that matters. india is potentially a very big trading partner for the uk , huge trading partner for the uk, huge population, huge economy . population, huge economy. >> me fantastic links between this country and india. >> me fantastic links between this country and india . so great this country and india. so great potential there. but when it comes down to it, it's about the content of the deal and whether the uk government can defend the interests of our different trading sectors, whether that's whisky , financial services, whisky, financial services, automotive or whatever. in the negotiations . negotiations. >> seven new free special education schools are set to be built across england. over 1000 more children and young people with special education needs and disabilities will benefit from access to specialised learning . access to specialised learning. the schools will be built in

cambridgeshire , kent merton and cambridgeshire, kent merton and norfolk in addition to the existing 83, is set to open across england. this investment will almost double the number of special free school places available across the country from around 8500 to 19,000. india is hoping to make history today by becoming the first nafion today by becoming the first nation to land near the moon's south pole. the chandrayaan three is on a mission to hunt for water based ice, which scientists say could support human habitation on the satellite in the future. if the spacecraft is successful , india spacecraft is successful, india will be only the fourth country to have achieved a soft landing there. the country's second attempt comes just days after russia's luna, 25, crashed out. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car on digital radio and on your smart speaker. by saying play gb news now it's back to andrew and . bev

back to andrew and. bev >> so the controversial activist academic dr. shola bamu is facing a social media backlash for tweets suggesting that modern britain's most prolific child serial killer lucy letby, would have been caught earlier if she wasn't white. >> she tweeted lucy letby exemplifies how ideology of whiteness keeps britain in a chokehold . they believed her chokehold. they believed her tears, denials , even though tears, denials, even though evidence said otherwise for no other reason. then she's white, a black or brown nurse would have been reported to the police immediately sacked for suspicion. >> she continued narratives about an evil person's childhood and graduation pics only serve to normalise white criminals and create alternative facts for their evil . british media does their evil. british media does this deliberately. we don't. something they never do for black and brown criminals. >> so does dr. shola have a point? femi nylander is an actor , filmmaker and writer, and he thinks dr. shola does. he joins us now. on what basis , femi,

us now. on what basis, femi, does she have a point ? what's does she have a point? what's the evidence . by the nursing and the evidence. by the nursing and midwifery council and even the general medical council ? general medical council? >> i mean, so the evidence comes from the horse's mouth, so to speak, in the 2017 report, the nursing and midwifery council, which, by the way , is the body which, by the way, is the body which, by the way, is the body which at complaints about which looks at complaints about nurses , said that their own body nurses, said that their own body had ethnic minority nurses were more likely to be reported for fitness to practise complaints at the screening stage . at the screening stage. complaints about white nurses were more likely to be thrown out . and then after out. and then after investigation, complaint about asian and black nurses were more likely to then so were then more likely to then so were then more likely to then so were then more likely to out and at likely to be thrown out and at final you more final stage you had more complaints about whiteness going through, which shows that when the evidence is there and when the evidence is there and when the actual when the actual evidence is looked at, there's not that much misbalance or even possibly slightly more of a misbalance towards complaints .

misbalance towards complaints. against white nurses. but when you're screening through this first thing, when someone is just first looking at these cases, is the case with this cases, as is the case with this particular lucy case, the particular lucy letby case, the complaint a doctor complaint was made by a doctor of descent, of south asian descent, not a white doctor. and it was thrown out and he was forced to apologise probably apologise to her, probably because as as this bbc journalist said yesterday, people don't think that britain's most prolific child killer should look like this. so i mean, the evidence is there. the evidence has been published by the nursing and midwifery council themselves . and the same council themselves. and the same thing can be found with doctors . if you look at the 2019 report by the general medical council , by the general medical council, i think. >> but i think when we've been talking, the fact talking, femi, about the fact that she doesn't fit the stereotype type of a serial killer , and we have sent that, killer, and we have sent that, i've said that on this show. what i meant was she's female . what i meant was she's female. she's in a caring profession . she's in a caring profession. that's what renders her unusual . it didn't cross my mind about how much melanin she has in her skin . and this sort of

skin. and this sort of discussion is so divisive at a time like this when the thought should all be with the victims of that woman not dragging identity politics into it all. it does is divide people, doesn't it . doesn't it. >> so, i mean, i don't deny in any way, shape or form that there could have been the male female aspect. >> and if we look at the history of serial killers, most serial killers by an overwhelming majority have been male. you have your histories of your ted bundy's your jeffrey dahmer's, your it may be. do your whatever it may be. you do have stories of things like have some stories of things like this happening nurses killing doctors. but then you also have you also have your harold shipman, etcetera. so i wouldn't denyin shipman, etcetera. so i wouldn't deny in any way, shape or form that it's possible to construe those particular comments as to do male and female. but we do with male and female. but we have look the reality is have to look the reality is there's parallel with the there's a parallel with the whole thing where whole grooming gangs thing where people say, oh, grooming gangs, grooming gangs, pakistani men, pakistani actually pakistani men, when actually a lot grooming that lot of the grooming that happened this country is by happened in this country is by men of european and british

descent . um, there is some descent. um, there is some degree a connection with the idea of this this image of the engush idea of this this image of the english rose, this image of the blonde kind of virtuous english woman and innocence and no one is saying that that, that bbc journalist might not have been referring to male, female, this, that and the rest. caregiving profession when you have good points. the points. but i've told you the evidence, the evidence is that ethnic minority nurses, the evidence from the horse's mouth , nursing and midwifery , from the nursing and midwifery council and you're still you're still rejecting midwifery council nothing to say . still rejecting midwifery council nothing to say. hang council had nothing to say. hang on, hang on. >> femi that had nothing >> femi. femi that had nothing to do with lucy letby. the report by the nursing midwifery council, the consultant you mentioned of an asian background, did not say once he didn't complaints were didn't think his complaints were taken seriously because of the colour of lucy letby skin . he colour of lucy letby skin. he said it was a failure yet again of management nhs. of management in the nhs. management not medical staff, who were more worried about the reputational to the

reputational damage to the hospital. he did not raise her skin colour once. nobody has at all, apart from you and dr. shola didn't say you and dr. shola. >> i've given you a report which shows i've given you a report which shows that at the screening stage said fitness. >> you're not listening to anything. >> i said. nurses are more likely to be thrown out right ? likely to be thrown out right? you. that got nothing to you. how has that got nothing to do lucy letby do with lucy letby. lucy letby was carry on killing was allowed to carry on killing killing babies after a complaint had been made. i'm talking had been made. i'm not talking about doctor said. i'm about what the doctor said. i'm talking what was said talking about what was said about lucy letby. and i'm talking the fact talking about the fact that a report the nursing and report by the nursing and midwifery admitted midwifery council has admitted that right . that there's a problem right. and the general medical and by the general medical council as well, when it comes to when it comes to this debate there for me, when it comes to this debate, which seems to be increasing in intensity and volume all the time about identity politics and race, how do we move forward? >> because you look at the nhs, we've got 2/5 of doctors, consultants are and dentists. in fact , and a consultants are and dentists. in fact, and a third of nurses are

black and minority ethnic people . the nhs is a wonderful all fruit salad of people, of all nationalities , races and melanin nationalities, races and melanin counts because that's really what we're talking about here. and yet this story becomes something, this awful story of lucy letby is being dragged into such a negative space because of some commentators who want to draw attention. we need to move forward, don't we, to live in a post—racial world and you need to do through our evidence when it's given to you on a platter. >> go and read this report. go and google the report. find the report and read it and stop just rejecting what i'm saying because it's been admitted by the nursing and midwifery council. so the solution to your report of these complaints . report of these complaints. >> i'm not i'm not i'm not saying that the report is not valid . i understand that. but valid. i understand that. but i'm saying how do we move forward then with that? understood funding. how do we because you mentioned the

grooming gangs and of course, in the situation the grooming gangs situation up north in this country, it has been proven that those those gentlemen in were not investigated because of their ethnicity, ethnicity . we, the ethnicity, ethnicity. we, the police, were frightened to shine a light upon that particular culture for the very opposite of what you're complaining about. >> we won't get it. i mean , i've >> we won't get it. i mean, i've seen both too long ago in bolton, there were a bunch of white men in the same grooming thing. so it's not that men are less likely to do this, but anyway, point is the point anyway, the point is the point is i've given you the evidence. the get past this is by the way we get past this is by admitting it's possible . admitting that it's possible. i'm not going to say 100, but it's possible that the profile of innocent kind of english rose allowed someone to get away with murdering more children than they would have got away with if it had been earlier. it's possible that a senior consultant or someone said, oh, no, but lucy, she's one of us. she's lovely. she's a lovely girl. she'd never do these things. she away with

things. and she got away with killing babies three killing two more babies or three more to more babies. i'm not going to say it's certain, i'm going say it's certain, but i'm going to very possible and to say it's very possible and that there is evidence towards that there is evidence towards that possibility. >> mischievous speculation. >> midwifery >> nursing and midwifery council have a report times have given a report ten times saying that white that. yeah, exactly. so that's the evidence. yeah. please go read. that's yeah. please go and read. that's the it's possible. the evidence that it's possible. there no evidence. say there is no evidence. if i say there's report. there is there's a report. there is there's a report. there is there's no evidence that lucy letby was allowed to continue her reign because of her colour thrown out at the screening stage , more likely to be thrown stage, more likely to be thrown out at the screening. >> and i notice you didn't engage with bev's point about the grooming gangs. go and find it and you engage with bev. >> you engage with best part about the please give me the report. she didn't she didn't give report written. she's give me a report written. she's not given me any real evidence. you just make a speculative. you just make it a speculative. you've evidence you've not given us any evidence at me. at all for me. >> sorry, i don't dispute. i don't nmc's report. don't dispute the nmc's report. i dispute that there i don't dispute that there might. talking about might. what you're talking about is stereotype that is a stereotype thing that happens situations happens within those situations is i'm saying is we need to is what i'm saying is we need to move forward in this debate

because it's so divisive and we need to applaud those people who work in the nhs who are black and minority ethnic, who are doing amazing in doing an amazing job. and in this situation , ian, i just this situation, ian, i just think for dr. shola to come out and to make this this particular incident about race and i don't think i think when they say, you know, she was lucy letby was not attacking lucy letby, we think it's because she was white. i think was her character for think it was her character for i think it was her character for i think it was her character for i think it was her her demeanour. she's clearly manipulative. that's my point. >> the only other the only other thing, the only other thing to mention about dr. scholl's points is the second part of the tweet she made. and i have seen all of these daily mail headunes all of these daily mail headlines the and the headlines and the rest and the pictures was using is a pictures that all was using is a smiling picture of lucy letby holding and when we smiling picture of lucy letby holdi that's and when we smiling picture of lucy letby holdi that's kind and when we smiling picture of lucy letby holdi that's kind ofd when we smiling picture of lucy letby holdithat's kind of like ien we smiling picture of lucy letby holdithat's kind of like mene smiling picture of lucy letby holdithat's kind of like me who have that's kind of like me who are convicted of crime when we have when we have pictures of me committing crime, usually we have are we not have the mugshot. why are we not seeing of why seeing the mugshot of lucy? why are not seeing her cradle? are we not seeing her cradle? >> it's so powerful. >> because it's so powerful. >> because it's so powerful. >> what can i say to you, femi,

if you read the daily mail the last two days, we've seen is last two days, all we've seen is her eyes, the mugshot, that's the been the the mugshot that's been on the front every paper front of just about every paper this . this week. >> so please get keep up to date with facts. that been with your facts. that has been on page this week. on every front page this week. the two running. >> femi. good to talk to you. thank you for coming on the show. nylander there. i show. femi nylander there. i think all want to a way think we all want to find a way forward this so that live forward for this so that we live in world it doesn't in a world where it doesn't matter. talking about matter. i'm talking about the daily a marvellous daily mail. it's a marvellous papen daily mail. it's a marvellous paper. it's got my name it paper. it's got my name on it today. be good. i've today. it must be good. i've written piece in there. written a piece in there. >> i don't she's got >> i don't think she's got a single of evidence to make single shred of evidence to make that i just that assertion. i just get frustrated with identity, racial politics dragged in and politics being dragged in and weaponised situation like weaponised every situation like infamous killer in infamous child killer in history, and they're reducing it to, oh, it must be because she's she wasn't black. if she'd been black, they'd have caught her sooner. >> soonen >> ridiculous, i think. and when he was saying that about the picture picture picture holding the picture of the that's papers have picture holding the picture of the done that's papers have picture holding the picture of the done thatto papers have picture holding the picture of the done thatto somehowy have picture holding the picture of the done thatto somehow deify not done that to somehow deify her innocent . but the whole her as innocent. but the whole point photograph , point is that that photograph, juxtaposed did, is juxtaposed with what she did, is so .

so shocking. >> yeah. because was in the >> yeah. because she was in the most most to most she most position to protect very vulnerable protect those very vulnerable little babies. that was her job. little babies. that was herjob. and we know what she did. >> yeah, right. let's talk to liam halligan here. he's in the studio morning. we're going liam halligan here. he's in the stltalk morning. we're going liam halligan here. he's in the stltalk aboutorning. we're going liam halligan here. he's in the stltalk about the ng. we're going liam halligan here. he's in the stltalk about the fallingre going liam halligan here. he's in the stltalk about the falling house g to talk about the falling house pnces to talk about the falling house prices and record wage growth . prices and record wage growth. right. falling house prices , right. falling house prices, good or bad? depends if you want to buy a house. liam i'm an economist. >> on the one hand, on the other. that's why napoleon said, give me a one handed economist. it depends what end of the telescope you're looking through, we through, doesn't it? these we are house. are seeing the worst house. well, are seeing the biggest well, we are seeing the biggest house since two house price falls since two thousand and seven and eight. since the global financial crisis , since the worst economic crisis, since the worst economic calamity because of interest rates since the since the great depression, because a lack of demand. because because consumer confidence is being hammered by 14 interest rate rises here in the uk. just before we go on to house prices, literally, as you've been talking there, i've seen what are called the pmi numbers . these are like numbers. these are like preliminary gdp numbers,

preliminary gdp numbers, preliminary growth numbers. they're not official numbers. they're not official numbers. they're surveys of businesses around the country. they are absolutely terrible. the manufacturing pmi has fallen to 42.7. 50 is growth and the manufacturing pfi has plunged to 42.7. the service pmi, which covers 4/5 of the economy. that's also now well below 50. so it seems to me the bank of england, is this a mess right evidence it's not only a measure of confidence. andrew it's a it's a detailed survey of business leaders and investors about where they see the economy going in the next month and so it translates directly into decisions about investment, decisions about investment, decisions about investment, decisions about employment. >> send this to the bank of england. well, are you to going cut interest rates again? >> august, july to august? it's month. it's month or month . i've month. it's month or month. i've just tweeted as i have for months now, since april , i've months now, since april, i've been saying the bank of england should pause because it's no more rates the more interest rates driving the economy . not economy into a recession. not not needed because the bank of

england is so determined to salvage battered credibility because it was so late to get rate rises going in the first place because kept saying place because it kept saying inflation was transitory and ignonng inflation was transitory and ignoring those of us who were warning them in 2020 and 20. >> in the last quarter of the debt levels nothing like as debt levels were nothing like as high the official bodies. high as the official bodies. >> because. >> that's right. because. because, because, because the blob negative of blob has such a negative view of the well, blob has such a negative view of the people well, blob has such a negative view of the people would well, blob has such a negative view of the people would say'ell, blob has such a negative view of the people would say they, of some people would say they, of course, would deny that. but let's i was let's go back to what i was actually going i'd like to actually to going i'd like to weigh last discussion weigh in on the last discussion as but we'll leave that as well, but we'll leave that for maybe a for another time, maybe over a dnnk for another time, maybe over a drink when drink or something. look, when house prices go down and earnings go up, there's an improvement in what's called the affordability ratio. the affordability ratio. the affordability ratio. the affordability ratio is the price of the average home compared to the average wage. and you can look at in england, scotland, wales, northern ireland, across the economy as a whole, that number, according to the nationwide, we can get this up on a graphic actually that average uk home to earnings ratio is now 6.7 times. okay.

and that's historically lower . and that's historically lower. it's down from i guess the graphic isn't there. it's down from 7.3 times last year. but because we've had 14 interest rate rises since september 2001, even though the price earnings ratio is fallen on people's ability to actually buy the house, unless they're a cash buyen house, unless they're a cash buyer. yeah. has diminished. and so this price earnings ratio does not capture the price of borrowing. and let's be completely clear, the house price to earnings ratio has fallen from 7.3 to 6.7. back in the late 90s, it was 3 or 4 times earnings . that meant that times earnings. that meant that a single person , because you can a single person, because you can get three times your your, your income on a mortgage, could buy an average house. yeah. now if you're at 6.7 a couple both of whom are working full time and they can only borrow six times. right. and that's before you take into account childcare care, presumably a big reason for buying the average home is

because you want to have the average family, which is 2.1 kids, right? so even an average couple who can't afford an average home on this earnings, multiple before you even consider the borrowing costs. so i'm part of that thatcher property owning democracy. >> i bought my first place, a little tiny terrace in worcester for £19,000 when i was 1918. yeah are we going to have to say to bev's kids, your kids forget it. you're not going to own a well, that's what's happening, which terrible. which is terrible. >> what's happening. >> that's what's happening. and that's book home that's why i wrote the book home truths a few years ago about about these issues. this about about these issues. this is, housing is, for me, housing is the everything problem. yeah. yeah. so many issues in the uk come back housing, you know you back to housing, you know you want knife give want to stop knife crime, give kids front door on ground kids a front door on ground level and a kitchen table where they're can watch they're single. mum can watch them right. them do their homework. right. if keep families if you want to keep families together, don't have a situation where both parents have to work really full time, full on jobs, where they have to commute because the housing is so expensive, they have to commute 40 or 50 miles to their place of

work. >> we've got to move on. one quick question. if individuals aren't buying houses whose owning them? aren't buying houses whose owrwell,1em? aren't buying houses whose owrwell, houses are increasing >> well, houses are increasing slowly being bought by institutions , by pension funds, institutions, by pension funds, by insurance companies , by by insurance companies, by corporate then corporate landlords who then rent , who then rent them out, who then rent them problem isn't them out. the problem isn't they're the asset to they're waiting for the asset to go they're waiting for the asset to 9° up they're waiting for the asset to go up price. the problem go up in price. the problem isn't time landlords isn't small time landlords maybe, who one house because maybe, who own one house because pensions have been rubbish over the last 20 30 they're the last 20 or 30 years. they're often kind to their tenants. the problem is big corporate landlords. a major, major landlords. it's a major, major problem. grab just a lack problem. asset grab just a lack of housing. we haven't built nearly enough homes in this country for years for years and years and years going all the way back to the 80s and the blair government was terrible. the government the blair government was particularly bad on social housing. was during the blair housing. it was during the blair and years social and brown years that social housing, the building of social housing, the building of social housing, council really housing, council housing really fell there were fell off a cliff. there were years during blair brown era years during the blair brown era where just built less than where we just built less than a couple of hundred council houses across the entire country. >> and i bet you tony blair's got a finger in some of those

pies that are currently buying up houses. up thousands of houses. >> would he would >> he would he would he would deny that. he would that. deny that. he would deny that. >> tony blair right, >> has he got tony blair right, 42 and the rest. 42 or 43 and the rest. >> right. still come, should >> right. still to come, should we critical views we outlaw gender critical views as the iea says that as a paper by the iea says that trans activists demands to shut down is a major threat down dissent is a major threat to free speech, where gb news britain's news channel, that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> good morning i'm alex deakin and this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news most places having a fine day today. the winds a bit lighter than yesterday as well. some areas cloudier than others. and there is a little bit of rain in the air across the west coast wales . rain in the air across the west coast wales. 1 or 2 rain in the air across the west coast wales . 1 or 2 spots of coast of wales. 1 or 2 spots of light rain drizzle possible light rain and drizzle possible and likely in and further showers likely in western . the odd one western scotland. the odd one across scotland, maybe across southern scotland, maybe northern but northern ireland later too. but for places it's going to be for many places it's going to be dry fine . sunny again across dry and fine. sunny again across southern , much of southern england, much of eastern england and northern

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watching. on >> so in the studio joining us is mark glendenning from one of my favourite think tanks, institute of economic affairs. mark, debate ongoing about mark, huge debate ongoing about trans issues . you've written trans issues. you've written a major report on this about why

it's important we can have a proper debate about it. what's your saying? proper debate about it. what's youwell, saying? proper debate about it. what's youwell, primarily’ proper debate about it. what's youwell, primarily that the >> well, primarily that the transgender ideology movement, which we have to distinguish from transgenderism, that's to say people. >> yeah. choosing their own identity, which nobody has a problem with and shouldn't in an open society . but transgender open society. but transgender ideology is very different in that it stipulates that the rest of society must conform their views and their judgements s to those of this ideology . and so those of this ideology. and so they are saying that there shouldn't be free speech on this issue because free speech is itself a violation of the rights of people who are trans, so that if i was to deny that you were say , a woman, you were claiming say, a woman, you were claiming to be a woman, they would say this was a human rights violation. and should be prevented by law. why has this issue why is it this issue,

which has become the red light for these sort of people, because there are so many other areas where they could perhaps have in. areas where they could perhaps hav but in. areas where they could perhaps hav but the in. areas where they could perhaps hav but the trans issue areas where they could perhaps havbut the trans issue has >> but the trans issue has become huge now almost out of all proportion. when you consider how many people genuinely will identify as trans, it's you have to see it, i think, in a broader context against transgender ideology is part of a basket of new left perspectives, including , for perspectives, including, for example, critical race theory , example, critical race theory, extreme environmentalism . extreme environmentalism. >> the campaign to decolonise size, the curriculum , all of size, the curriculum, all of these perspectives are about fundamentally bringing about a new type of society. it's a revolutionary creed that therefore cannot tolerate opposition , and it's an opposition, and it's an intolerant creed . it's totally intolerant creed. it's totally intolerant creed. it's totally intolerant because as and this is the key thing i would like to

stress new left ideology exists what i call the culture control left believe that language is itself a form of power . it is itself a form of power. it is itself a form of power. it is itself a form of power. it is itself a coercive power, and therefore the more you limit freedom of speech, the more free the society will become. it it is a kind of proto fascistic movement because it does see speech as being very dangerous . speech as being very dangerous. >> but language is powerful, isn't it? so the first thing that any any invader leading army or throughout history would do to colonise an area would be to take away their language. we have to look at ireland. okay. where where the english did that. have to admit that. so we do have to admit that. so we do have to admit that it power, but somehow that it has power, but somehow that it has power, but somehow that weaponized that power is being weaponized in direction or in in the wrong direction or in a direction that only benefits a few. the minority , the tyranny few. the minority, the tyranny of the minority . of the minority. >> yes, the point you make about colonising is, is very important because that is one of the first

things any authoritarian regime will do will be to try and suppress intellectual challenge. you know, we saw this with the established church and galileo , established church and galileo, and we're now seeing a revival of pre—enlightenment ideas about the power of language for those liberals who helped to bring about the renaissance and the enlightenment language was a liberator force. it wasn't a coercive force. it was the way in which we could exchange ideas about what is and what is not reality. that we could test theories so we lose free speech and free language at our peril, don't we? >> but can i just say very briefly, because we're i'm just very impressed time people watching and listening this very impressed time people watchiareand listening this very impressed time people watchiareandfrustrated this very impressed time people watchiareandfrustrated because mark, are so frustrated because they this country is going they think this country is going completely talk completely mad. we can't talk about can't say this . about this. we can't say this. the intolerance is the

government doing enough in your view? our ministers speaking out about it because people are so frustrated. they talked about it all the time. >> no, they're not. and in fact , it's worse than that. this government is complicit. right. with the new left. so, for example, just let me give you one example. yeah, there is a proposal boris johnson proposal which boris johnson wanted to enact in law and then it was paused, but which this government is thinking of bringing should be bringing back that it should be illegal have a private illegal to have a private conversation with a trans person and to try to persuade them not to go down the road of sex change surgery . keir starmer has change surgery. keir starmer has committed a future labour government to introducing that into law . into law. >> okay, i'm so sorry. mark glendinning. we're late for the news tamsin waiting for news and tamsin is waiting for us, do have to move on. us, so we do have to move on. here is your with . tamsin here is your news with. tamsin >> beth. thanks very much. here are the headlines at 1034. experts are hailing the uk's first womb transplant as a medical milestone. a 34 year old

woman in england received the organ from her older sister and is now planning to undergo ivf later this year. the operation at the churchill hospital in oxford took about 17 hours. around 50 babies have been born worldwide died following womb transplants . lead surgeon transplants. lead surgeon professor richard smith says the operation was a massive success. home ownership has become less affordable despite a fall in house prices. lender halifax says the cost of a typical home is now 6.7 times average earnings , down from 7.3 last earnings, down from 7.3 last summer. mortgage charges are proving expensive, though , proving expensive, though, hitting a 15 year high average monthly payments have risen by more than 22% over the past year . the government's announced a loan guarantee of more than £190 million to help ukraine's nuclear fuel supplies . the nuclear fuel supplies. the energy secretary, grant shapps , energy secretary, grant shapps, confirmed the move during a visit to a power station in the country, which was damaged by

russian missiles. he says the plan will stop president putin from using energy as a weapon of war. india is hoping to make history by becoming the first nafion history by becoming the first nation to land near the moon's south pole. this afternoon . the south pole. this afternoon. the chandrayaan three is on a mission to hunt for water based ice, which scientists say could support human habitation on the satellite in the future. if the spacecraft is successful. india will be only the fourth country to have achieved a soft landing . you can get more on all of those stories. just visit our website, gbnews.com . website, gbnews.com. >> direct bullion sponsors the finance report on gb news for gold and silver investment . gold and silver investment. >> well, here's a quick snapshot of today's markets. the pound will buy you 1.26, seven, $5 and ,1.1718. the price of gold is

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>> it's 1040. you're with news with andrew pearson. bev turner. can i tell you, lots of you are getting in touch about is that academic right, getting in touch about is that academic right , that lucy letby academic right, that lucy letby got away with it because she was white? basically what she said. >> tricia had said if it had been a black nurse under suspicion, she wouldn't have even approached because even been approached because people scared to be accused people are scared to be accused of was the of racism. but that was the point. but that was the point that about the grooming that i made about the grooming gangs who was on gangs to femi, who was on earlier. >> f- earlier. >> didn't engage with >> and she didn't engage with your it's it is difficult. >> no, but it's it is difficult. he didn't engage with it. doreen from devon is saying the woman saying the nurse got away with killing so many babies because she was white. he's talking out the of her head, stirring she was white. he's talking out theall of her head, stirring she was white. he's talking out theall this: her head, stirring she was white. he's talking out theall this hatredead, stirring she was white. he's talking out the all this hatredeac despicable up all this hatred is despicable . if she'd been black, she would probably got away with probably have got away with it even mean, femi even longer. yeah. i mean, femi would not what would say that's not what the report i the report report said. i think the report was old and maybe was a few years old and maybe people frightened now. people are more frightened now. >> but also, have to >> and but also, we have to remember it is the most ethnically diverse workforce probably in europe. yeah. yeah. i say .

i would say. >> and on the womb transplant , >> and on the womb transplant, dave has said to me, this sounds like trans move to allow men like a trans move to allow men to baby. blow to to carry a baby. another blow to women removing the ability for women removing the ability for women men entering women to say no to men entering women's spaces effectively. the men will mothers and well, of men will be mothers and well, of course that's what experts from the united states have said. >> it's certainly medically possible to perform the procedure in trans women who are born but have had sex born male but have had sex change surgery, dr. change surgery, have dr. frankenstein , is that. frankenstein, is that. >> yes, stephen pound and emma webber here. that's who. andrew is to. yeah they've is talking to. yeah they've joined us. sorry, not to be wearing yellow. well, did you not get the memo that emma and got? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> you're looking very summery , >> you're looking very summery, stephen. what's badge? stephen. what's the badge? >> , royal association. >> oh, royal naval association. >> oh, royal naval association. >> . >> very good. >> very good. >> yeah, very nice. right right. india trade talks . emma, have we india trade talks. emma, have we finally taken back control post brexit? is this going to make us all rich beyond our wildest dreams ? dreams? >> i mean, i would. i'm no longer an optimist. i mean, if i ever was, but i think it's certainly good news. i mean, i

think that it's just a reality that the uk needs needs to shift its attention towards the indo—pacific because that's where growth is coming from. and so , so being unshackled from so, so being unshackled from europe and able to make these trade deals, india dependently gives us an edge moving forward with an increasingly complex and quick quite quickly changing geopolitical context. so i think that this is really important . that this is really important. and one of the aspects of this sort of good news announcement is that tata , i think, is how is that tata, i think, is how you say it, which is the indian parent company of jaguar land roven parent company of jaguar land rover, has announced that it will be investing 4 billion in an electric car battery factory, which will bring 4000 jobs in britain. >> this is one in the west country, i think. yeah, in some somerset. >> yeah. i think this is is >> yeah. i think this is this is important just for trade but important not just for trade but also geopolitics. also for geopolitics. >> yeah. well hang on a sec. i mean, far be from me to pour mean, far be it from me to pour cold water on this, but i'm

sorry. this, this comprehen massive trans—pacific partnership actually a comprehensive and progressive. you know, it means we're going to be trading with chile, brunei i >> -- >> what's wrong with peru? >> what's wrong with peru? >> what's wrong with peru? >> what's wrong with that? >> what's wrong with that? >> but you what? on >> but you know what? on vietnam, what they going to vietnam, what are they going to buythe biggest in that >> the biggest players in that are canada. canada are japan and canada. canada deals almost exclusively with the know the united states. i don't know what earth they're going the united states. i don't know wha from earth they're going the united states. i don't know wha from us.1they're going buy from us. >> we make anything to >> we don't make anything to sell anybody. >> exactly my point. >> exactly. exactly my point. and only thing we can and the only thing we can actually japanese actually sell to the japanese are made in are toyota cars made in sunderland and whisky. well there actually town in there isn't actually a town in northern on the northern ireland called . it was renamed called scotland. it was renamed a ago and they do sell a few years ago and they do sell a few years ago and they do sell a very fine suntory whisky called scotland. but but called made in scotland. but but look, ratan look, the thing about ratan tata and somerset , this and the thing in somerset, this country is paying him half £1 billion, £500 million for this. well, we couldn't have done that if in the european union, steven, because we couldn't because aid rules, because of state aid rules, we would to do that. would not be able to do that. >> what is wrong using >> and what is wrong with using taxpayers jobs taxpayers money to bring jobs into britain? well, on. into britain? well, hang on. a particularly for particularly batteries for electric cars, which going particularly batteries for electrthears, which going particularly batteries for electrthe future. ch going to be the future. >> entirely agree with that

>> i entirely agree with that form i what form of investment. i know what you're talking about. the home market preference regulations, which the french which i have to say, the french utterly do. utterly ignored. they always do. you french had so you wonder why the french had so and companies, which and all their companies, which were supported were massive, supported by the state. what i'm saying is state. but what i'm saying is that the moment is an that at the moment this is an aspirant rather, it's aspirant nation. rather, it's like politics. not firm like a politics. it's not a firm commitment. of an commitment. it's more of an aspiration. they're talking about 73 countries, most of which deals with before which we had deals with before we union. the we left the european union. the big that we're really big players that we're really trying deals are trying to get deals with are places china. places like india and china. india we've been trying for 17 years. we think. >> have you read the papers, david kemi badenoch was flying out there. think could be out there. we think we could be a month. out there. we think we could be a no, month. out there. we think we could be a no, no, month. out there. we think we could be a no, no, hangfonth. out there. we think we could be a no, no, hangfonth second. the >> no, no, hang on a second. the conference happens to be taking place india. yeah, there's no place in india. yeah, there's no presumption that we're going to think something happening. i why can't we talk it >> i can't. why can't we talk it that i think badenoch that up? i think kemi badenoch has done extremely good job, that up? i think kemi badenoch has she's extremely good job, that up? i think kemi badenoch has she's beentremely good job, that up? i think kemi badenoch has she's been doingy good job, that up? i think kemi badenoch has she's been doing itgood job, that up? i think kemi badenoch has she's been doing it sort job, that up? i think kemi badenoch has she's been doing it sort ofb, and she's been doing it sort of under the radar, beavering away, getting trade getting these trade deals. >> truss, the >> unlike liz truss, you did the job very badly when she was trade secretary, trade, trade minister, that if you do a very, very bad job, no one will

notice. >> yeah, but but in this in the report today, it says that the uk's exports to the eu and the rest of the world reached record highs almost highs of almost 400,000,000,000in 2022. and that global investment in britain is more than france, germany, spain and italy . so i think, you know and italy. so i think, you know , the idea steven would disagree with it, written in black and white, this doesn't mean that brexit has been a success or that brexit is done. the point of brexit, in my opinion as a brexiteer and someone who campaigned for brexit, is that it an issue principle and it was an issue of principle and an sovereignty , i.e. an issue of sovereignty, i.e. whether muck up whether whether we muck it up or whether we very out that we do very well out of that is on us. it's important that on us. but it's important that it's i think what it's on us. so i think what we're here kemi we're seeing here is that kemi is really, really good is doing a really, really good job of facilitating this shift towards the indo—pacific , which towards the indo—pacific, which is necessary given the way that the geopolitics and giving away the geopolitics and giving away the eu is in decline and germany is already in recession. >> it started talking >> well, it started off talking about but now we're about passports, but now we're talking poverty. that's talking about poverty. that's the we're the reality of it. and if we're going to this is purely going to say this is purely about and it doesn't about sovereignty and it doesn't matter our biggest ever

matter if our biggest ever trading partner, the european union, longer that, then union, is no longer that, then fine, can talk about that. fine, we can talk about that. but i happen to think that the living people living standards of the people in country say trade in this country say about trade with the colours of with the eu than the colours of ourwhat that say? it says >> what does that say? it says the reporting the telegraph is reporting that uk eu and the uk exports to the eu and the rest of the world reached record highs and record highs. >> the proportions of >> what are the proportions of that? the eu and the rest of the world doesn't say which is which though, does it? >> a matter if it's >> but is it a matter if it's reaching a record high? >> yeah. >> em— e to america are >> our exports to america are very, very high. feature very, very high. do they feature in that the trouble is, stephen, you remainers want brexit you remainers want to brexit fail. i you do. fail. yeah. no, i don't. you do. no i'm a democrat. no no, you do. i'm a democrat. no no, you do. i'm a democrat. no i'm sorry. voted to remain. no i'm sorry. i voted to remain. which may. which may may. >> that we noticed that >> funny that we noticed that back in 2016. >> but once said i was not one of people who said, of these people who said, oh, let's the of three. let's have the best of three. let's second one. no the let's have a second one. no the country's made decision. country's made a decision. we have to respect decision. have to respect that decision. whether it was 51, 49 or whatever. the reality whatever. however, the reality is that a lot was a false is that a lot of it was a false prospectus because a lot it prospectus because a lot of it was didn't the was actually didn't tell the truth economic truth about the economic realities i think we realities of it. and i think we can our way through it. can manage our way through it. but if you look at the of

but if you look at the city of london becoming but if you look at the city of london now. becoming but if you look at the city of london now. you becoming but if you look at the city of london now. you look oming but if you look at the city of london now. you look at ing but if you look at the city of london now. you look at canary empty. now. you look at canary wharf, the number of empty buildings, few buildings, there's very few lights from home. lights on working from home. well, people are well, i'm sorry. people are moving they're moving to frankfurt or they're moving to paris. they're moving to york and they're working. to new york and they're working. >> they're their >> they're moving to their living exactly it >> and that's exactly what it is. they're working from home. >> we have an issue >> do we do we have an issue with india with the fact that india obviously sending literally obviously is sending literally rockets at the rockets to the moon at the moment, but we are giving them some state aid well? well, some state aid as well? well, that's my but you've got that's my point. but you've got children. a bit children children. it's a bit of children living poverty living in absolute poverty in india . india. >> yeah, living, giving. we've been aid to china and been giving aid to china and india. we should be giving money to land mumbai. the >> land in mumbai. and the poverty, the slum is now starting almost around the runway. that's how bad poverty is. rockets. >> rockets. >> rockets. >> sending >> they're sending rockets and we're them aid money to. we're giving them aid money to. >> but that was in mumbai the other day. but the new airport, it's absolutely beautiful. and the road out to puna in mumbai. yeah it's totally yeah but you know, it's totally different you used different now than when you used to have these monkeys crawling all over the place. it's improved own improved a lot with their own money. the fact is, in terms of absolute poverty, may have absolute poverty, india may have more billionaires than most

countries. more countries. it also has more people in absolute abject poverty. at the people poverty. and look at the people in the north. look the in the north. look at the christians who've been persecuted north—east india. persecuted in north—east india. they about they are living on just about the ipsis i'd like the bread lines. ipsis i'd like to targeted to see more targeted international instead of international aid instead of simply mean we simply giving. i mean what we used to remember in used to do. remember in east africa a whole of africa there was a whole race of people wabenzi who people called the wabenzi who were people just basically were people who just basically drove in mercedes benz drove around in mercedes benz because them the money drove around in mercedes benz bethe;e them the money drove around in mercedes benz bethe state. them the money drove around in mercedes benz bethe state. nowadays, the money drove around in mercedes benz bethe state. nowadays, we money to the state. nowadays, we should target international aid through ngos, through local organisations, the organisations, not through the state, not through the government and not through corrupt flipping politicians. >> i'd to i'd like to >> i'd like to see i'd like to international cuts. international aid cuts. >> on that? and >> can we agree on that? and then no, i won't then call it a day? no, i won't because want to cut because i want to cut international aid. >> i want spend more of the >> i want to spend more of the money right. >> i want to spend more of the mo let's right. >> i want to spend more of the mo let's talkight. >> i want to spend more of the mo let's talk about ulez. >> let's talk about ulez. overruled. this overruled. sunak basically, this is this is going to is going to get this is going to get rolled out next week. the sunak wants it or not. emma are we happy about that ? we happy about that? >> no, think the whole thing >> no, i think the whole thing is a complete scam and the idea is a complete scam and the idea is there's a scrappage is that there's a scrappage scheme. get base stealth scheme. so you get base stealth tax. yeah and then you get some of your tax money back. it's

just your money. the whole thing is a complete i think the is a complete scam. i think the mayor using london mayor of london is using london as a piggy bank and as like a piggy bank and particularly people who as like a piggy bank and parout arly people who as like a piggy bank and parout in.y people who as like a piggy bank and parout in the people who as like a piggy bank and parout in the sortpeople who as like a piggy bank and parout in the sort ofyple who as like a piggy bank and parout in the sort of almosto are out in the sort of almost semi—rural parts of great. >> yeah, yeah . >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> the economic , economic >> where the economic, economic environment is very different. you have a lot of tradespeople , you have a lot of tradespeople, people who are coming into london and so on. idea that london and so on. the idea that people charged and people should be charged and just remind people it's £12.50 a day every day, 365 days year day every day, 365 days a year to destroy some people's businesses. >> so the whole of the capital now is going to be in this wretched stealth tax. now is going to be in this wreandd stealth tax. now is going to be in this wreand i stealth tax. now is going to be in this wreand i thinkh tax. now is going to be in this wreand i thinkh ta terrible. >> and i think it's terrible. firstly that you know, the government are trying to use this loophole, which is from the greater london authority act, from 1999, which allows the transport secretary to override the mayor of london if the transport strategy goes against the government's policies , the government's policies, however, they think it would be defeated in court because they can't prove that it's actually inconsistent with their other eco policies and also the fact that was a conservative that it was a conservative government policy the first place. but they didn't support >> but look, they didn't support but support the

but the tories don't support the extension. no, no, they extension. stephen no, no, they support les support it because it was les originally, the idea originally, which was the idea of but i of the low emission. but if i was in city hall today, i'd be really worried. i'd be very, very worried because very worried indeed because gb news play you. you news and fair play to you. you spotted thing. report spotted this thing. the report from griffiths. from professor chris griffiths. yeah yeah. and rodriguez yeah yeah. and shirley rodriguez , mayor, , who's the deputy mayor, actually contacted professor griffiths look, your griffiths and said, look, your report on the efficacy of ulez has doesn't make blind has said it doesn't make a blind bit difference air bit of difference to the air quality. air quality. quality. yeah, air quality. could recast , change could you just recast, change it? change no it? could you change it? no i have to say that for me, i think that potentially absolutely that is potentially absolutely massive. is it a resigning issue? >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> but what absolutely. >> but what absolutely. >> should be a resigning issue. but she's elected. but she's an elected. >> how do gb news discover this? because a couple because this goes back a couple of years. >> it's a very important >> well, it's a very important story. wanted changed story. and she wanted it changed in which is the in the lancet, which is the bible if the lancet bible of science. if the lancet say it, it's fact. >> it's really dangerous if you have situation firstly from a have a situation firstly from a democratic perspective, is democratic perspective, this is just wrong. but to have just simply wrong. but to have a essentially somebody who holds pubuc essentially somebody who holds public office trying to manipulate scientific evidence

in order to back up. yes policy, this is not something that should ever happen in a democracy. rhiannon republic. and if, if, if some if city hall thinks that this is an acceptable way to go about their business and to go about imposing policies that are not even you know, these are not popular policies, people do not want this. they're willing to ignore the views of the people of london and they're willing to manipulate scientific evidence to back themselves up. this is corrupt . corrupt. >> i tell you what, if you think this is shocking, you sit down with a bottle of wine with me over a bottle of wine and i'll tell you was told and i'll tell you what was told to lancet over covid and how to the lancet over covid and how much scientific evidence was manipulated and what really isn't shocking this isn't shocking to me, this information they well, this reminds in 22 years i was reminds me of in 22 years i was in parliament, the single worst mistake, egregious mistake, the most egregious error we in my time was iraq. >> and do you remember the evidence sexed up the evidence. you remember the professor kelly? yes, i do. all that. the dossier? yeah. you know, the so—called dodgy dossier. but i mean, still think there was mean, i still think there was a case could make for

case you could make for intervention in iraq, you know, humanitarian grounds. however you try change you cannot try to change the evidence. change evidence. you cannot change the facts your prejudices. facts to suit your prejudices. and what's happening and i think what's happening here, i actually support ulez. i think a good idea. think it's a good idea. and i think it's a good idea. and i think virtually anybody who bought 2005 going bought a car after 2005 is going to anyway, although to be exempt anyway, although i now blue badge people now hear that blue badge people are they're going to be are not they're not going to be these people with serious these are people with serious disabilities. and i emma disabilities. and i said, emma is right. minute is absolutely right. the minute the try to the minute you actually try to nuance or change the a medical scientific report, then you're in trouble. you've lost the argument. well that's happened. >> we've got some breaking news now. another who's now. it's another who's resigned. oh, no, start of resignation. stephen stevens hoping it's a government resignation. it's another police data leak. this time it's south yorkshire police who say they're deeply sorry after body worn video footage recorded by its officers over a period of nearly three was from three years was lost from its computer system . computer system. >> the has referred itself >> the force has referred itself to information to the information commissioner's after commissioner's office after noticing a significant and unexplained reduction in data stored on its systems . we'll get

stored on its systems. we'll get you more of that information as we hear it's really reliable. this technology isn't it? emma webb everything going webb i love everything going online. i love everything being stored because you stored in the cloud because you know it this know exactly where it is. this doesn't all. doesn't surprise me at all. >> in belfast. >> it's in belfast. >> it's in belfast. >> the it's the tech >> it's the it's the tech concern plus fact that we concern plus the fact that we keep seeing the police in many respects being enormously incompetent or not doing their job as they should be. and this is just going to add further to people's lack of trust in the police force. i know. but i do think you're right, does think you're right, bev. it does show you know, tech tech is show that you know, tech tech is not always as watertight as people think. it is. >> i wonder where it's gone. where do you reckon this data's gone? that the police have lost body cam footage people being body cam footage of people being arrested being arrested or perhaps being interviewed as well. >> appears tiktok or >> if that appears on tiktok or something then something like that. then there's but something like that. then timean, but something like that. then timean, don't but something like that. then timean, don't forget but something like that. then timean, don't forget the but something like that. then timean, don't forget the reallyrt i mean, don't forget the really awful example that's happened happened in northern ireland, in the yeah, but the north of ireland. yeah, but that was human error. but the fact police fact remains is the police officers who were identified. >> i beg your pardon is given out. >> i'm sorry. yeah. and you know, similar

know, we had the similar situation in police forces in this the reality is this country. but the reality is we've great we've got this vast great mountains, these great, great peaks and peaks of information, and we still with it's still cannot cope with it. it's too big for our imagination. >> and do you are too big for this program because to this program because we have to wrap right now. stephen wrap it up right now. stephen not you're not the whole program. you're not going anywhere yet, but thank you so much, both of you, for we're going to we for now. we're going to also we didn't even on about didn't even get on to talk about womb whether womb transplants or whether whether letby would have whether lucille letby would have been treated differently if she was go anywhere was black. you don't go anywhere for feeling inside for that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. of weather on. gb news. >> good morning. i'm alex deakin and this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news most places having a fine day today. the winds a bit lighter than yesterday as well. some areas cloudier than others . is little bit of . and there is a little bit of rain in the air across the west coast of wales. 1 or 2 spots of light drizzle possible light rain and drizzle possible and further showers likely in western the odd one western scotland, the odd one across scotland, across southern scotland, maybe northern ireland later too. but for places it's going to be for many places it's going to be dry and fine. again across

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gb news. >> it's 11:00 gb news. >> it's11:00 on gb news. >> it's 11:00 on wednesday, the >> it's11:00 on wednesday, the 23rd of august. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and bev turner taken for a ride. >> the tiktok video showing a migrant grinning on his journey to the uk on a possible record day for crossings on the channel. he's having a lovely time. >> are we getting a major brexit

boost? our secretary of state for business and trade kemi badenoch an badenoch is looking for an historic trade india historic trade deal with india to signed soon. she's on her to be signed soon. she's on her way india, later way to india, i think later today. are we finally taking back why criminals let off? >> did baby serial killer lucy letby get away with her horrific crimes for so long because of her race? well, today, a leading figure who says if she'd been black or brown, she'd have been caught sooner is our justice system racist ? system racist? >> a medical miracle . britain's >> a medical miracle. britain's first womb transplant. could this breakthrough finally give hope to women who are unable to give birth . give birth. >> we'd love to know your thoughts on all of our talking points this morning . but you points this morning. but you know that we send about with this give hope to women who can finally birth. you can't finally give birth. you can't actually birth . actually give birth. >> if you have, it will have to be caesarian. >> say to andrew, you >> i did say to andrew, do you think cervix still works? think the cervix still works? >> not really an

>> and i said, i'm not really an expert that . but what expert on that. but what i'm also sceptical. i don't think that this transplant will cost only £25,000. i simply don't believe it. the mail my paper today, which prepared grace, is on the front page. a picture of 28 medics who were in that operating theatre. >> yeah, it's expensive . >> yeah, it's expensive. >> yeah, it's expensive. >> it raises the issue what is the price rmt? should it be money spent now keep money being spent now to keep people who who people alive and well? who who are here now? or is this something very much something that you very much support? us know. support? let us know. vaiews@gbnews.com. support? let us know. vaiewsyourrews.com. support? let us know. vaiewsyour morning's news with though, your morning's news with tamsen . beau. tamsen. beau. >> thank you. good morning from the gb newsroom at 11:01 expert vets are hailing the uk's first womb transport as a medical milestone. a 34 year old woman in england received the organ from her older sister and is now planning to undergo ivf later this year. the operation at the churchill hospital in oxford took about 17 hours, around 50 babies have been born worldwide

died following womb transplants .lead died following womb transplants . lead surgeon professor richard smith says the operation was a massive success. i think probably the most stressful and stressful week of our surgical careers, but also unbelievably positive in the outcome and the donor and recipient just over the moon , really over the moon. the moon, really over the moon. >> well , the moon, really over the moon. >> well, certainly the moon, really over the moon. >> well , certainly excited about >> well, certainly excited about the next one. and just really happy that we've got a donor who's completely back to normal after her big op and a recipient after her big op and a recipient after her big op and a recipient after her big op who's doing really well on on her immunosuppressive therapy and looking forward to getting to having a baby . having a baby. >> home ownership has become less affordable despite a fall in house prices. lender halifax says the cost of a typical home is now 6.7 times average earnings , down from 7.3 last earnings, down from 7.3 last summer. mortgage charges are proving expensive, though, hitting a 15 year high average monthly payments have risen by

more than 22% over the past year . the government's announced a loan guarantee of more than £190 million to help ukraine as nuclear fuel supplies . the nuclear fuel supplies. the energy secretary, grant shapps , energy secretary, grant shapps, confirmed the move during a visit to a power station in the country, which was damaged by russian missiles. he says the plan will stop president putin from using energy as a weapon of war. well, during his trip, grant shapps also visited a children's nursery in kyiv. it's where the young boy of the family he hosted under the homes for ukraine scheme used to attend. he says he hopes nikita can return home soon. can return home 500“. >> can return home soon. >> well, i specifically take him some lovely gifts from the kindergarten and from the children, some photographs from his from his time here. but but mainly all of their love and the same in return . it's really same in return. it's really incredible to come here today and see where he was at kindergarten , obviously, before kindergarten, obviously, before i knew him. and you know , i hope

i knew him. and you know, i hope that this war ends and that he can return to his life as soon as possible . as possible. >> labour has accused the government of creating uncertainty for businesses with shambolic post brexit border trade plans . the party shambolic post brexit border trade plans. the party has demanded clarity on trade plans after reports that ministers will delay the introduction on border checks on animal and plant products coming from the eu . it comes as trade secretary eu. it comes as trade secretary kemi badenoch is heading to india to intensify trade talks with the nation. shadow chief secretary to the treasury pat mcfadden says the trade has potential, but it's the content of the deal that matters and india is potentially a very big trading partner for the uk . trading partner for the uk. >> huge population, huge economy, fantastic links between this country and india. economy, fantastic links between this country and india . so great this country and india. so great potential there. but when it comes down to it, it's about the content of the deal and whether the uk government can defend the

interests of our different trading sectors , whether that's trading sectors, whether that's whisky, financial services , whisky, financial services, automotive or whatever. in the negotiations . negotiations. >> south yorkshire police has referred itself to a watchdog after losing nearly three years worth of body cam footage. the force says there's been a significant and unexplained reduction in its computer systems of data from july 2020 and may 2023. it's now trying to recover the footage which was filmed by officers attending incidents and could be used as evidence in court. incidents and could be used as evidence in court . seven new evidence in court. seven new free special education schools are set to be built across england. over 1000 more children and young people with special education needs and disabilities will benefit from access to specialised learning. the schools will be built in cambridgeshire, kent, merton and norfolk, in addition to the existing 83 set to open across england, this investment will almost double the number of

special free school places available across the country from around 8500 to 19,000. india is hoping to make history today by becoming the first nafion today by becoming the first nation to land near the moon's south pole. the chandrayaan three is on a mission to hunt for water based ice, which scientists say could support human habitation on the satellite in the future. if the spacecraft is successful. india will be only the fourth country to have achieved a soft landing there. the country's second attempt comes just days after russia's luna, 25, crashed this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now back to andrew and . bev and.bev >> well , and.bev >> well, welcome and.bev >> well , welcome back. and.bev >> well, welcome back. we're getting still so many people emailing, texting , saying pretty

emailing, texting, saying pretty strong views about whether lucy letby the fact she was white was the reason she was able to get away with this. her killing spree for so long. this was because the academic, dr. shola said said if she'd been black , said said if she'd been black, she'd have been caught much sooner. she'd have been caught much sooner . now, caroline says these sooner. now, caroline says these persons and groups who keep finding racism just about every subject up now have subject coming up now have one agenda to make agenda only. that's to make money these sensational money out of these sensational stories to increase stories and to increase their own profiles in social media, it seems trying pave seems they're trying to pave a career out of creating career path out of creating division between races. >> and we're also talking >> yeah, and we're also talking about this big story this morning the first woman morning about the first woman who's given her womb her who's given her womb to her sister transplant . and sister in a transplant. and steve says said, well said, bev. thank you, steve. remember what it was that i said? but i appreciate that. was the first thing that sprang to mind. me and my wife's mind. i bet the men already knocking on their doors right. doors as we speak. that's right. we the fact we were talking about the fact that inevitably at some point this a right, this might become a human right, that , formerly that as a trans woman, formerly a man, you could have a woman's womb. >> and the guy from the

fertility association said , fertility association said, well, that's years down the line. is it ? line. is it? >> not necessarily. well, david said , this does smell inhuman said, this does smell inhuman and quite wrong . mix and match and quite wrong. mix and match in could a in what could become a nonchalant swapping body part nonchalant swapping of body part trades humans isn't trades with humans isn't a practise that our creation should be participating and should be participating in. and on the energy trade deal, brian from southwark asked, the from southwark asked, does the uk economic aid to india? >> if so, why? and we're hearing, of course, today that india about to land so india is about to land on an so far unexplored part of moon far unexplored part of the moon people. but a device we do still give aid, brian, to india. i think it's about 80 million a yean think it's about 80 million a year, not much in context of the aid budget , year, not much in context of the aid budget, but too much. you know, i wouldn't give any this this womb story as well. >> i know it's being sold this morning of very pro morning as sort of very pro women there's doubt. women and there's no doubt. and if cannot have a baby and if you cannot have a baby and you really want 1—1 my sympathies go out to those women. it really it's women. it really does. it's difficult. with pregnant difficult. i work with pregnant couples. years, i ran couples. for ten years, i ran antenatal , so knew antenatal classes, so i knew a lot of who had been lot of couples who had been on that but the that ivf journey. but the implications for this are for

the women who are going to be asked to donate. asked at this stage their wombs and the idea that it could become guilt inducing if you don't give up your womb to somebody that wants one because how can you not give that person the gift of motherhood? yeah right the motherhood? yeah right now, the academic dr. shola mos—shogbamimu , is facing a mos—shogbamimu, is facing a social media backlash for tweets suggesting lucy letby would have been caught earlier if she wasn't white. that's right. so she tweeted, lucy letby exemplifies how the ideology of whiteness keeps britain in a chokehold . they believed her chokehold. they believed her tears and her denials, even though evidence said otherwise for no other reason than she's white. a black or brown nurse would have been reported to the police immediately and sacked for suspicion. >> continued narratives >> she continued narratives about an evil person's childhood and graduation pictures only serve to normalise white criminals create alternative criminals and create alternative facts evil british facts for their evil british media. does this deliberate something they never do for black and brown criminals ?

black and brown criminals? >> so we're going to talk to now to imarn ayton, who is an anti—racism activist . iman, good anti—racism activist. iman, good morning. thank you very much for joining us on what basis do you think that shola is making this accusation that had lucy letby been a woman of colour , she been a woman of colour, she would have had a collar felt much more quickly ? much more quickly? >> well, good morning. >> well, good morning. >> thank you for having me. firstly, i just want to say my heart obviously goes out to the families. >> this is a terrible story and in terms of shona's tweet and it's not just the tweet , the it's not just the tweet, the royal college of nursing did an article. so there have been many conversations about this prior to shona's tweet. but ultimately it comes down to several things for me personally, several different factors. so i agree with shola to an extent. where i don't agree is where she said for no other but the for no other reason. but the fact that she believe there fact that she i believe there are several factors, which includes white privilege. but i'll just delve into it if you

don't mind. firstly the hospital. so the hospital itself was judged as inadequate and in need of improvement by the qc, so that ultimately means that we had inadequacy , poor leadership had inadequacy, poor leadership and we also had the fact that they weren't actually following they weren't actually following the equality guidelines. so all of this is a perfect storm and the perfect dynamic and the breeding ground for racism. so that's one point. secondly if it had been a black person on racial prejudice, would have played a vital role in how the situation itself was dealt with. and so when you hear people talking about white privilege within this particular context, it's centred around two particular issues . firstly, that particular issues. firstly, that white people do not have to contend with racism and its power dynamic in the exact same way that black people do, which in turn often leads to white people being afforded, afforded certain privileges such as doing terrible things like lucy and then being able to skate under

then being able to skate under the radar. secondly this tragic incident actually inadvertently highlighted in institutionalised racism to be specific. disciplinaries and the disproportionality between black people and white people. for example . and there are many example. and there are many parts or some parts rather within the nhs that where black people are actually ten times more likely to be disciplined than their white counterparts, notwithstanding the fact that the bma in 2022 stated that there is a danger of a mass exodus of asian and black staff within the nhs due to the persistent and intolerant racism. so this nuance that everyone's so outraged about, it's real, it's there and it's actually or sorry, rather it it's kind of underlined within this particular story. so therefore it would be remiss not to speak about it. >> can i just give you a couple of examples recently where this it is argued that racism is now turning against white people. we had sadiq khan, the london mayor's poster being told that

it didn't represent londoners because it was a white family. we had the england football team with one commentator saying it's too white. we had the royal family on buckingham palace being too white. i being told it was too white. i am all in support of diversity. i don't want discrimination on any side, but i am seeing this narrative turn in a way now where we have to start to call out some of these statements which are frankly, race racist against people who are white and how do we move forward without that division. sorry to interrupt. >> i appreciate your sentiment . >> i appreciate your sentiment. i truly do. but where has your outrage been when black people have been talking about institutionalised racism, covert racism , overt racism for the racism, overt racism for the last 50 years in i was. where was your outrage? >> i've been outraged. >> i've been outraged. >> i've been outraged. >> i have been outrage >> outrage. i have been outrage now in regards to black people being racist or racially prejudiced towards white people when in actual fact it is actually a defence mechanism towards white people. let me not get excited but get too excited today, but the point that the point is to point is that the point is to

let me finish my point. let me finish my point, please. the pendulum has swung the other way. and what are witnessing way. and what you are witnessing and have been and what we have been conditioned and what we have kind of come to accept is white supremacy and the norms of geopolitical geopolitics, which connects to white supremacy. we are all very much conditioned in are all very much conditioned in a certain way and so what we've seen right now, it sounds like just let me let me take issue with that. >> come on. we've listened very carefully to what you have to say, we all to open say, because we all have to open our but if what our minds to this. but if what does moving forward look like? because i from you've because i think from what you've said weren't we outraged? said is why weren't we outraged? i outraged i have been outraged about discrimination. you don't know what has on what my position has been on this last 30 years. you this for the last 30 years. you have idea what i'm saying is, have no idea what i'm saying is, if i can. no, no, no. let me finish. let me finish. let me finish. let me finish. let me finish. if you go back to martin luther king's speech, which is moving to everybody, should be moving to everybody, should be moving forward and start from now, shall we? >> well, let's move forward. >> well, let's move forward. >> no, let's move forward from his vision because he was an

inspirational man that has made huge changes from which we have all benefited . and his point was all benefited. and his point was , let's move to a world where somebody is judged on the character, not the colour of their skin. and i think and forgive me if i miss quoting you, but i think what you've just said is we've had it bad for so long. so now you have to suffer. well, two wrongs do not make a right . make a right. >> have completely >> you have completely misunderstood everything that i've said. so correct i've said. so let me correct you. i'm ultimately trying to explain to you that black people and people had contend and brown people had to contend with country for with racism in this country for an time. and what an extremely long time. and what we seeing now is people we are seeing now is people standing up themselves, standing up for themselves, people their voice, people people using their voice, people defending themselves . and what defending themselves. and what has is now the supposed has happened is now the supposed oppressor, because there are many let's be honest with ourselves. talk about ourselves. if we talk about geopolitics, many ourselves. if we talk about geopoliwho many ourselves. if we talk about geopoliwho wish many ourselves. if we talk about geopoliwho wish dominate people who wish to dominate the world dominate different world and dominate different types people. we only types of people. we are only talking people in talking about white people in this instance , but this specific instance, but ultimately comes down the this specific instance, but ultirthat.y comes down the this specific instance, but ultirthat people1es down the this specific instance, but ultirthat people are down the this specific instance, but ultirthat people are defending e fact that people are defending themselves people are themselves and people are outraged as a result. so this is

the that we're dealing the dynamic that we're dealing with. that with. this is the dichotomy that you confused about. you seem to be confused about. thatis you seem to be confused about. that is what's happening, a defence mechanism. and people that is what's happening, a def> let's talk about the specifics. let's talk about the specifics. let's talk about the specifics here. the country is unhedin specifics here. the country is united in its horror at what lucy letby did in that hospital and the fact that she was overlooked, that the doctors who cried wolf, the doctors who complained, the doctors who were ignored, who were who by nhs managers, they haven't said at all we were we were not listened to because some of them were black. none of them said lucy letby got away with it because she was a white english rose. they said she got away with it because the nhs as ever, was more concerned about reputational damage . nobody but reputational damage. nobody but shola and you are bringing race into this. >> no, i've just explained to you the royal college of nursing. no, no. we're talking about lucy letby. >> no, no, hang on. we're talking about lucy letby. yes >> okay.

talking about lucy letby. yes >> so okay. talking about lucy letby. yes >> so you ay. talking about lucy letby. yes >> so you are the only ones that i'm aware of have brought race into it. >> no, no, not at all. i've already explained race was already explained race was already a part of this dynamic due the stats that i've due to the stats that i've already told you about and due to the fact that racial prejudice is part of society prejudice is a part of society and is what's happened with and this is what's happened with our we are so our country, is that we are so or say we i'm or let me not say we i'm actually going to say many white people are so outraged about being called racist opposed being called racist as opposed to the racism itself. the reality is racial prejudice is a part being on part of every human being on this planet. reality is you this planet. the reality is you cannot avoid it unless you are anti—racist . so racial prejudice anti—racist. so racial prejudice will always play a role in every dynamic unless you are making a conscious decision to do otherwise. hence why we unless unless , unless we move forward unless, unless we move forward to a place where we stop being preoccupied by melanin and we start looking at character. >> and that's the future i want us to live in, where like my children, they don't see colour. kids don't see colour. they will come home from don't want to

start with that. >> you really don't want to start with, oh, i'm happy to start with, oh, i'm happy to start with, oh, i'm happy to start with that. >> i'm happy to start with that because they don't straight away that categorically lying i >> -- >> you hm— hau- hau— >> you are lying if you're saying that don't see colour i >> -- >> i've had conversations with my children when they were little, when they were describing to me something that happened to a child in their school they're saying, school and they're saying, you know know who i mean? know what, you know who i mean? you mean? and they you know who i mean? and they don't say skin colour and when they said, you this, i they said, you mean this, i said, mean the black said, oh, you mean the black girl class? yes. her girl in your class? yes. her they didn't they didn't they didn't see it. they didn't see distinguishing see that as a distinguishing characteristic describe to me see that as a distinguishing charythey stic describe to me see that as a distinguishing charythey were describe to me see that as a distinguishing charythey were talkingbe to me see that as a distinguishing charythey were talking about.1e see that as a distinguishing charythey were talking about. and who they were talking about. and i you seen. but i love that. have you seen. but they that get older they lose that as they get older because conditioning is because the conditioning is strong. agree with you. the strong. i agree with you. the conditioning is powerful. >> that's why to combat racism. have you seen that documentary where they run down the football pitch and they say, yes, i have seen it. it's powerful. and it showed within schools that racial prejudice was unconscious in internalised racism was unconscious bias. if you saw it.

how can you sit here and tell me otherwise ? if you watch the same otherwise? if you watch the same program that i did , what i want program that i did, what i want to us do is find the solution soi'is. >> sons. >> and the solution is not to create discrimination. again against white people. >> the solution is to accept that everyone has racial prejudice. unless you are anti—racist, do you have racial prejudice? otherwise circumnavigate that prejudice? >> do you have so do you have answer? do you have racial prejudice ? yes. prejudice? yes. >> i have made a conscious decision to make sure i circumnavigate prejudice. prejudice everybody has it. prejudice everybody has it. prejudice everybody has it. prejudice everybody has it. prejudice is a preconceived opinion, and prejudice is a preconceived opinion. this is where you you almost kind of decided to hold on to racism. the big bad wolf. we have it as white people. you don't lies. >> so we have it as white people. but you don't know. >> i neveri never said people. but you don't know. >> i never i never said that. please listen to what i've just said. every human being on this planet has racial prejudice. the reason why is because prejudice is a normal dynamic , a part of is a normal dynamic, a part of human beings. it is a preconceived opinion about

things places . and things people and places. and the way that you can the only way that you can circumnavigate said circumnavigate it said preconception to make preconception is to make a conscious decision to do otherwise, to change your behaviour, to change your thoughts, to change your feelings. this is why people talk about anti—racism and this is what you are getting confused about. everyone has it, but you need make conscious need to make a conscious decision the decision to. not and the parallel parallel parallel is sexism. the parallel is . the parallel is is transphobia. the parallel is anti—semitism . you make anti—semitism. you make a conscious decision not to be anti—semitic , anti—semitic. you anti—semitic, anti—semitic. you make a conscious decision not to be sexist. you make a conscious decision not to be islamophobic . so you got me so excited. i've got such a dry at the got such a dry mouth at the moment. worry. moment. don't worry. >> worry. listen this is a >> don't worry. listen this is a great conversation. >> the debate here. >> we love the debate here. >> we love the debate here. >> understand racial prejudice >> we love the debate here. >> idon'tstand racial prejudice >> we love the debate here. >> idon't be1d racial prejudice >> we love the debate here. >> idon't be scared.. prejudice >> we love the debate here. >> idon't be scared. debate ce and don't be scared. debate that's point. that's the point. >> is what gb news does, >> this is what gb news does, right? we don't mind having the difficult i love difficult conversations. i love strong women on this channel. i love women on this love strong black women on this channel. i do. i do. and these are the conversations we have to have. >> i like strong black women and strong white women. just so you know i want to have,

>> but what i want to have, i don't feel what i want to see is the solutions. i want to see how we move forward to a time when you come on here and you're not just here because you want to talk racial issues. so talk about racial issues. so that's you represent. i that's what you represent. but i don't need to tell your don't want you need to tell your producers that need to tell producers that you need to tell your that social your producers that social commentator on good morning britain has me as britain actually has me as a social commentator. britain actually has me as a soc so commentator. britain actually has me as a soc so that'sentator. britain actually has me as a soc so that's a tator. britain actually has me as a soc so that's a note for your >> so that's a note for your producers. i agree with you, bev. i would love to be able to be show. good on this be on this show. good on this topic. >> @ there are lots of >> i'm sure there are lots of other topics we talk to other topics we could talk to you you are so good you about, but you are so good and passionate about this and so passionate about this topic what we strive topic and that's what we strive for and we strive people for and we strive for people on this represent this channel who can represent their you do. >> but can i just ask, going back again to where we started, do you genuinely do do you do you genuinely think do you think got you genuinely think levy got away with able to kill away with it, was able to kill seven because she was seven children because she was white to an extent . white to an extent. >> racial prejudice. to what extent ? there were many factors. extent? there were many factors. i broke it down before , but i'll i broke it down before, but i'll just say it very briefly. there are many factors. like i said,

the hospital being inadequate, poor leadership , and like you poor leadership, and like you said, the issues within the nhs budget over overworked all of these things are factors that should be taken into consideration. just like racial prejudice and the by—product which is white privilege, which is connected to institutionalised racism. all of these things should be taken into consideration. that is my point and that is the only, um, that's the only part i differ in terms of my opinion with shola. shola has said that there is no other reason other than the fact that she is white. i have said that she is white. i have said that there are many reasons. however, i've decided to however, today i've decided to talk white privilege. talk about white privilege. >> well , are talk about white privilege. >> well, are happy to >> well, we are always happy to have you on. >> never dull. >> never dull. >> thank you . emma ayton there , >> thank you. emma ayton there, activist. not just anti—racist ism, social commentator. >> she can be a social commentator, right ? commentator, right? >> still to come, where is donald trump? the former president won't be attending the first republican debate tonight , nor any of those to come. what's he up you're with

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stabilise the debate . stabilise the debate. >> said , that lady >> but andrew said, that lady says we all have preconceived or unconscious bias we should make a decision. stop being racist. so she going to by so is she going to lead by example? seems to me example? because it seems to me she's completely racist against white people. and john says consciously she isn't. >> john says about iman >> yeah, john says about iman that she puts people's backs up and makes problems worse. so and makes the problems worse. so we understand racial we have to understand racial principle has principle in her terms. she has an she's right because an opinion. she's right because her she's a her point was she's made a conscious decision not to be racist against us. people, racist against us. white people, but racist because but we are racist because we haven't conscious haven't made a conscious decision haven't made a conscious decisiori don't need to make a >> but i don't need to make a conscious decision, do i? i'm just racist . i conscious decision, do i? i'm just racist. i ain't conscious decision, do i? i'm just racist . i ain't racist. just not racist. i ain't racist. no. i just treat people as i find them. i just treat everybody would want to be everybody as i would want to be treated. that's what that's what we do. come on. >> right. we're talking america now, aren't we? >> i need a coffee. actually, i think i've had too many. right. the race is on to choose the republican party's next presidential candidate. it's all going exciting. the going to be very exciting. the first televised debate is kicking first televised debate is kiciwho better to break this >> who better to break all this down? and the chairman of republicans great

republicans overseas and great friend greg friend of the show, greg swenson, us live swenson, who joins us live from chicago. elephant in chicago. greg the elephant in the morning to the room. and good morning to you trump in the you know, donald trump in the debate. can you explain to us we know why, but explain to viewers and he then? and listeners, where is he then? where's the donald? >> well, i think it was a smart tactical move for president trump to skip this. >> you know, he there's not a lot of upside for him. he's up 40 points in a lot of polls . 40 points in a lot of polls. he's he's comfortably ahead in iowa. he's not, you know , not iowa. he's not, you know, not aheadin iowa. he's not, you know, not ahead in iowa and new hampshire as much as he is in the national polls. and as we know, the national polls don't really matter when it comes down to these elections. but he's still comfortably ahead in the early states. so i don't think the president meant that that president saw a lot of president trump saw a lot of upside and a lot of potential downside . and it's not terribly downside. and it's not terribly unusual for a candidate to skip a debate when he's he or she is leading considerably. >> now, i'm on the mailing list for ron desantis team , so i'm for ron desantis team, so i'm interested to see my inbox. i

mean, those messages arrive several times a day at the moment. greg the pressure is really on him at the moment, isn't it ? isn't it? >> definitely . i mean, there you >> definitely. i mean, there you know, i see the same emails. they are really fired up, you know, for the entire campaign is really fired up for the debates and all the campaigning in and around the debates. so i think you could say the same for other candidates as well. at least he's in a comfortable second place, whereas the other candidates are all polling in single digits . so there's single digits. so there's someone that's going to break out here. you know, it very well. could be governor desantis again. and remember, you know, most of his most of the drops in his polling came after the alvin bragg indictment beginning with the first indictment of president trump . so, you know, president trump. so, you know, trump got an eight point bump from alvin bragg . all eight from alvin bragg. all eight points came out of governor desantis. then you had the second indictment, the third indictment, fourth indictment. and now you have a, you know, at least 20 point so even least a 20 point move. so even this indictment last week

this last indictment last week gave president trump a couple of points in iowa. but more important , points in iowa. but more important, it's rallied the republican base around him, even people that weren't going to vote are now saying that they would. and you know, his his his following in iowa of people who agreed that either he was in first or second place, you know, they would vote for him or likely it would be their second choice or at least give him a hard look. that went from 55% to 67% after the georgia indictment last week. so these these indictments are making it really hard for candidates like governor desantis to make a move. hopefully these debates will take the attention away from president trump and at least give the people a chance here. >> we talked yesterday on the program, greg, about vivek ramaswamy, the young tech billionaire who's rather exciting a lot of people. what's your own view on that? has he got a serious chance or is he is he running for second place, if you perhaps to be trump's you like, perhaps to be trump's running ? running mate? >> he'll never admit >> of course, he'll never admit that. but i do think he would be

someone i would point to as a vice president or a senior cabinet level person only because it's his first time. i know president trump ran as a first time candidate as well in 2016. so it's not unprecedented. but typically you need some experience. this is his first election. he's never been in government in any sort of election elected role. so and he's young, so people really like what he says. i like what he says. i agree with him on 99% of his commentary. but can he win? is he is he ready to run a national campaign? and actually be president of the united states? you can you can argue that there are other people that that there are other people that that are a lot better positioned for that. i would that for that. i would argue that governor positioned for that. i would argue that g0\that, positioned for that. i would argue that g0\that, given positioned for that. i would argue that g0\that, given his positioned for that. i would argue that g0\that, given his experiencezd for that, given his experience in florida . for that, given his experience in florida. but but for that, given his experience in florida . but but there's no in florida. but but there's no doubt that vivek is getting a lot of attention. and i really like him. i think he's very sharp. >> yeah. and all of that is good for republican party in for the republican party in general, . thank you, general, really. thank you, greg. see you. greg greg. great to see you. greg swenson in the middle swenson there in the middle of the night chicago. right.

the night in chicago. all right. still come , yeah, and we'll still to come, yeah, and we'll be talking about, course, be talking about, of course, when debate happens, when that debate happens, getting our views and what people think about it. >> yeah, i'm forward to it. >> yeah. we're going to be discussing whether lucy letby would have treated would have been treated differently was black. differently if she was black. we've been talking about it. you've touch as you've been getting in touch as well. with britain's well. you're with britain's newsroom . gb news here are newsroom on. gb news here are the headlines at 1132. >> experts are hailing the uk's first womb transplant as a medical milestone . a 34 year old medical milestone. a 34 year old woman in england received the organ from her older sister and is now planning to undergo ivf later this year. the operation at the churchill hospital in oxford took about 17 hours and is being described as a massive success. around 50 babies have been born worldwide following womb transplants . south womb transplants. south yorkshire police has referred itself to the information watchdog after nearly three years worth of body cam footage was lost. the force says there's been a significant and unexplained reduction in in its

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people. channel it's 1140 on people. channel it's1140 on britain's people. channel it's 1140 on britain's news, people. channel it's1140 on britain's news, and when gb news with andrew pearson bev turner you heard a bit of chucking that stephen pound has sneaked into the studio behaving badly. >> were talking about my >> we were talking about my coffee. got davinia coffee. i've got davinia taylor's . she's taylor's keto powder. she's on this lot . this channel a lot. >> anyway, now we're talking about womb transplant too, because it's a major event . because it's a major event. first, the uk's first womb transplant. a 35 year old woman, an organ donated by a 44 year old sister who has had two children already. that's right. >> the operation lasted over >> so the operation lasted over nine the churchill nine hours at the churchill hospital in oxford. been

hospital in oxford. it's been described a huge success. so described as a huge success. so let's cross to writer and journalist caroline let's cross to writer and journaliwho caroline let's cross to writer and journaliwho joins caroline let's cross to writer and journaliwho joins usaroline let's cross to writer and journaliwho joins us now.e let's cross to writer and journaliwho joins us now. good farrow, who joins us now. good morning, caroline . is this cause morning, caroline. is this cause for celebration mean? is this wonderful for all of these women who can't have children in i think the words of jurassic park come to mind and that's too busy thinking about whether or not they could to think about whether or not they should . whether or not they should. >> now, on one level, yes , this >> now, on one level, yes, this is wonderful news for the surgeons , but i think it is surgeons, but i think it is fraught with ethical difficulties for a number of reasons. i mean, firstly, i think the risks of such a procedure outweigh the benefits. so presuming you've got a live organ , a live womb donor , a organ, a live womb donor, a woman who wants to give over her womb, then she's got to be in nine hours of risky surgery . and nine hours of risky surgery. and then, of course, we've got the long operation endured by the recipient now being the recipient now being the recipient of a womb is no guarantee me that it's going to be successful or that you're

necessarily going to be able to have children later. and so the recipient then has to take anti—rejection immunosuppressant drugs for five years. we don't know what effect that might have on the unborn baby. it's not a permanent solution. so at some point she's going to have to undergo surgery and all the attendant risks of that again in to order have the womb taken out . so it seems to me a very expensive of costly risk , risky expensive of costly risk, risky procedure . procedure. >> um, caroline, can i ask you, can i step in financed on the nhs ? and i think the what about nhs? and i think the what about the ethical issues don't tend to think about when we're talking about these leaps and bounds in reproductive technologies is that it all leads to the commercial ization and the commoditization of female bodies. >> so , you know, originally ivf >> so, you know, originally ivf was to help infertile couples . was to help infertile couples. and now we see in america , for and now we see in america, for example, women who are coerced

but, you know, who are sort of bnbed but, you know, who are sort of bribed , financially bribed in bribed, financially bribed in order to donate their eggs. and we see this with ivf clinics as well. they try and sort of persuade women that they should be sharing their eggs. would be sharing their eggs. i would hate a situation happen hate to see a situation happen whereby women are financially bnbed whereby women are financially bribed to, you know, to and coerced into giving up their wombs . and as well, we have the wombs. and as well, we have the spectre in in this in society where there's so much confusion . i don't know why because we all know what a woman is. but when we have lots when we have men trying to lay claim to femininity and to being a woman, are we then going to be pushing the boundaries even further and, you know, trying to transplant wombs into men ? i think there wombs into men? i think there are so many children who are in need of good homes. you know, children in foster care. i'm not i'm not deriding anybody who can't have children . i can't can't have children. i can't imagine how heartbreaking that must feel. but what about caroline? let me just let me just try and let me just pose to

you this idea, caroline, if i can just pause you. i just can't see. i'm not sure how this can be justified. see. i'm not sure how this can be caroline, if i can just just >> caroline, if i can just just ask for a moment about ask you just for a moment about choice choice? this choice. choice? because this might be a woman's choice to have this baby. i certainly. i know women who can you not hear me? caroline? i don't think she can hear us. i know women who have had the choice to sell eggs to a family that very much wanted to have child and to be wanted to have a child and to be a surrogate and isn't . what a surrogate and isn't. what you're doing is just you're doing really is just stopping the choice those stopping the choice for those couples those women. i think couples and those women. i think caroline is trying to turn off her mute button. i'm really sorry. >> i've lost the sound . >> i've lost the sound. >> i've lost the sound. >> all right. well, that's caroline. it would have been interesting. probably interesting. that probably explains any questions. >> she had a good say. >> she had a good say. she certainly did, because as emma's back emma, we've talked back with us, emma, we've talked about about about the ethical issue about this. is this big ethical this. there is this big ethical issue involved here, isn't there , emma? >> there are lots of ethical issues think issues involved. i think there are tangentially are lots of sort of tangentially related ethical issues to do

with ivf , also to do with , i with ivf, also to do with, i think the line that mary harrington said at an event that i did with her not that long ago, she said that pregnancy doesn't just make a baby, it makes a mother. and so the aspect of having a transplanted womb could have all sorts of other effects that would need different ethics. so i think basically this is a very ethically complex thing . and as ethically complex thing. and as we've seen with other the stories that we've discussed on this show before, very often you see advances without having any of the proper ethical discussion around them. so i think that i mean, we could go into the ethical issues. i think caroline very well articulated. a lot of the points without you guys even needing questions . the points without you guys even needing questions. i needing to ask any questions. i think that there are all sorts of ethical consideration issues. you have to about you also have to think about things like coercion, the marketisation of organs . so marketisation of organs. so there are lots of related issues that we could discuss. but can i ask politically, steve, about this? >> because look, the nhs is on

the floor financially. we don't know how much this procedure will cost. this was paid for by a charity . should the nhs really a charity. should the nhs really be gearing up to give this to women ? presumably vast expense women? presumably vast expense when people are in a queue for cancer treatment? hip replacements , heart surgery. replacements, heart surgery. >> i mean, as ever, you put your finger on it. look, it may well have been paid for by a charity. it was about 40 to 60 staff involved in this huge, huge number massive , great number in a massive, great cohort of medics who could have number in a massive, great cohordoing edics who could have number in a massive, great cohordoing somewho could have number in a massive, great cohordoing some otherould have number in a massive, great cohordoing some other stuff.iave been doing some other stuff. now, thing biomedical now, the thing is biomedical ethics country are in a ethics in this country are in a difficult because, for difficult place because, for example, could they example, they could do they could woman to could do they've done a woman to woman they could could do they've done a woman to wwoman they could could do they've done a woman to wwoman to they could could do they've done a woman to wwoman to man they could could do they've done a woman to wwoman to man transplant. d a woman to man transplant. there's in the law that there's nothing in the law that actually stops them doing that at time. think at the present time. and i think we need actually we really do need to actually step bit. and i would step back a bit. and i would neven step back a bit. and i would never, presume to say to never, ever presume to say to any woman, you know, you shouldn't should shouldn't do this, you should adopt. the other hand, it adopt. but on the other hand, it breaks every day of the breaks my heart every day of the week the number of young week to see the number of young kids are in foster homes in kids who are in foster homes in children's up kids who are in foster homes in childivery up kids who are in foster homes in childivery often up kids who are in foster homes in childivery often in up kids who are in foster homes in childivery often in county up kids who are in foster homes in childivery often in county line very, very often in county line gangs on the streets because they home. i would never,

they miss a home. i would never, ever presume to say. but what i find quite baffling about this procedure is that it only allows the woman to the child. the woman to carry the child. >> genetically be >> it may not genetically be theirs, and they can't give birth . so literally , emma, birth. so it's literally, emma, it's that sort of 40 week period of walking around with a bump and we fetishised pregnancy so enormously. now in 2023. and so why is that worth the risk of harm to yourself, potentially the baby and potentially to the person you've taken the womb from just so you can feel pregnant? >> you do have to ask because you can understand why a woman would want to have the experience of being pregnant and infertility is a really traumatising thing to experience, whether you're a man or a woman. absolutely. you can understand why a woman would want but do want to be pregnant, but you do also have to and this isn't also have to ask, and this isn't featured in of the featured in any of the discussions seen discussions that i've seen around this is whether or not that this actually good for that this is actually good for the what impact for the baby. what is the impact for the baby. what is the impact for the course, the baby the baby? of course, the baby will by caesarean will be delivered by caesarean section. maybe she could have two with womb if two children with this womb if she has the caesarean and then

potentially the womb she has the caesarean and then potentialafterwards the womb she has the caesarean and then potentialafterwards , the womb she has the caesarean and then potentialafterwards , asie womb she has the caesarean and then potentialafterwards , as willymb she has the caesarean and then potentialafterwards , as will you removed afterwards, as will you have to have the womb removed. i would i would like to see that. i mean, i know obviously there is of research which is is a lot of research which is going area, but if going on in this area, but if the to, be removed the womb has to, then be removed as afterwards, vast expense as well afterwards, vast expense again . and also, i mean, there again. and also, i mean, there are of things that affect are lots of things that affect people's fertility very widely , people's fertility very widely, things like endometriosis, polycystic ovaries that could be a focal for research, whereas i think caroline farrow pointed this, you can see the argument further down the line to transplant a womb into a man. i don't know how that would necessarily be done so that they are trans woman could have the experience of gestating a child but there is there are so many ethical considerations here. not least this kind of sort of trans humanist treating of body parts as if they are as , again, to as if they are as, again, to quote mary harrington , as if quote mary harrington, as if they are meat lego, that human beings are just these body parts that can be sort of interchanged . there's an element of playing

god. even though can god. and so even though you can understand, know , for the understand, you know, for the woman to a woman who's able to carry a child and really wants that, she said she wants to have as many children as she can, you can see how really how that would be a really emotional and wonderful experience for her. but there are these broader ethical are all of these broader ethical considerations that don't really ever talked in public ever get talked about in public debate we see advances ever get talked about in public detechnology we see advances ever get talked about in public detechnology .we see advances in technology. >> do you think that ivf should even the nhs at even be paid for on the nhs at the moment? >> stephen exceptional cases, >> stephen in exceptional cases, yes, psychological yes, because the psychological impact terrible impact on people is so terrible . but however, what you shouldn't do is do more than three terms of it. there are people just want go on people who just want to go on and on. and you know, and on and on. and you know, i've whose i've got good friends whose lives pretty much lives are being pretty much ruined i can't ruined by now. i can't understand on the understand that. but on the other hand, i'm not going say other hand, i'm not going to say that they're or they're that they're right or they're wrong. there are certain wrong. i think there are certain things getting things on the i mean, getting tattoos things like tattoos removed and things like that downright that i think is just downright silly, and i think silly, you know, and i think a lot of sort of cosmetic surgery shouldn't paid nhs. shouldn't be paid for the nhs. however, an however, i think ivf is an exceptional case, but it has to be be in very be limited. it has to be in very few cases, there has to few cases, and there has to be where there is profound where there is a profound psychological impact. where there is a profound psywelogical impact. where there is a profound psywe were|l impact. where there is a profound psywe were|l impacearlier, you

>> we were talking earlier, you guys anti—rape ism activist guys to anti—rape ism activist imarn ayton . imarn ayton. >> she social media commentator. >> she's social media commentator. defending commentator. she was defending very vehemently argument very vehemently the argument that lucy letby might have been let off because she was white and she was saying that she would have been treated differently if she'd been black. and ingrained into and that has been ingrained into us this. have a us to think like this. have a watch, see colour. watch, kids don't see colour. they come home from school they will come home from school to start with that really to start with that you really don't want start with, oh, don't want to start with, oh, i'm start that. i'm happy to start with that. i'm happy to start with that. i'm start with that i'm happy to start with that because they don't that you categorically are lying . categorically are lying. >> you are lying if you're saying that you don't see colour i >> -- >> and i've had conversations with my children when they were little, when they were describing saying to me something happened to something that happened to a child school and child in their school and they're , you know what? they're saying, you know what? you who you know you know who i mean? you know who mean? and they don't say who i mean? and they don't say skin know. know, skin colour, you know. you know, i'm serious when i do that . it i'm serious when i do that. it was an interesting debate , was an interesting debate, stephen. and iman has some points to make, of course , we points to make, of course, we don't live in a post—racial world, but i want us to. and

this debate is just dividing people more. >> couldn't agree more. i'm >> i couldn't agree more. i'm pretty horrified about this is one the terrifying cases one of the most terrifying cases that known in this that we've ever known in this country. and it's now degenerating argument, country. and it's now deg> yeah, no, absolutely not. but i it's probablye a point earlier >> yeah, no, absolutely not. but i it's probably the point earlier >> yeah, no, absolutely not. but i it's probably the most earlier on it's probably the most racially integrated nhs in the country. >> three out of five people. doctors are are black. >> go into any hospital. >> go into any hospital. >> there are some people who will go desperately, miles out of to desperately try of their way to desperately try to this particular angle. to find this particular angle. i think what here a think what we have here is a story utter abject horror. story of utter abject horror. and should actually and i think we should actually be about supporting the be talking about supporting the parents are traumatised, the parents who are traumatised, the parents who are traumatised, the parents we'll be parents about and we'll be forever it into forever and not bring it into this above all, we this issue. and above all, we should actually be considering maybe even corporate manslaughter management. >> mean when you've >> emma well, i mean when you've only hammer, everything >> emma well, i mean when you've only like hammer, everything >> emma well, i mean when you've only like a ammer, everything >> emma well, i mean when you've only like a nail,er, everything >> emma well, i mean when you've only like a nail, right? rything looks like a nail, right? >> people who >> so there are some people who

want and make this about want to try and make this about race. make basically race. they can make it basically about themselves. i think that this story has been taken and is being used by some people to spin a narrative about whiteness and racism . i mean, i think it's and racism. i mean, i think it's absurd. but i also think that it's quite disrespectful to the actual, you know, the people involved in the case. presumably some of those victims will have been white trying to make this about white privilege and white tears. i just think that it's callous and it's also quite transparent . transparent. >> see, iman's argument was, well, you don't like it now because you are receiving sadiq khan's poster, the women's football lioness is being too white, said one commentator. she said you don't like it because this is now happening to you. and i was like, but to my point is, two wrongs don't make a right and i think when i when i believed that finally believed that we were finally moving post—racial world moving into a post—racial world was sunak became was when rishi sunak became prime almost nobody prime minister and almost nobody mentioned he was mentioned the fact that he was from indian origin from an indian origin family. black lives matter have made racial relations in this country

worse. >> polls show that 55 de—man and de—man is a big part of it, and so this whole narrative about whiteness and saying that colourblindness itself is racist and you must see colour is not leading to us a post—racial society. it's entrenching differences between people and it's intentionally divisive and sometimes, i think quite rightly , is described as race baiting. >> one of the horrific, horrific things about the princess of cheshire chester hospital is that for all we know, some of the children could have been black . black. >> yes, that's right. >> yes, that's right. >> know and nobody at >> we don't know and nobody at any stage. >> anything the race of >> so anything about the race of the kids, poor babies. the poor kids, the poor babies. >> always >> i know, stephen, always lovely emma. always lovely to see you, emma. always lovely to see you, emma. always lovely see you. newly lovely to see you. newly engaged, emma webb. >> congratulations >> yes. congratulations >> yes. congratulations >> right. >> right. >> he's a very lucky bloke . >> he's a very lucky bloke. >> he's a very lucky bloke. >> he's a very lucky bloke. >> he we are done for today >> he is. we are done for today . has britain's . that has been britain's newsroom. up next, it's the live desk mark longhurst and pip desk with mark longhurst and pip tomson. going tomson. here's pip. what's going on? pip tomson. here's pip. what's going on? hello. going to be an >> hello. it's going to be an exciting we'll exciting live desk because we'll be to the moons south be taking you to the moons south pole india bids for an pole as india bids for an historic first aiming to land a

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